Re: My new book is here

[Dario Bonazza]

Thanks Christine,

Apart from selling those 10 books, which won't be so difficult, what do you 
(anyone reading this message) think of the book? Can that book be a useful 
business card for a show reporter? Are there any "wrong" pictures there? Any 
suggestions for improving the result?


Cheers,

Dario

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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: My new book is here


Dario:  Very dynamic feel to the shots and the collection.  Congrats, and 
I hope it sells well for you.  Cheers, Christine



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The draft for the book has been updated:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/imhr.jpg

Dario

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Subject: My new book is here



Hi all,

I've decided to try & print my first photo book, showing a selection of 
my
best 2008 work (apart from two pictures shot in 2007). It will be a 
51-page

book + cover including over 60 pictures divided into three sections:
fashion, music, performance. Page size is 20x30cm, 160g glossy paper 
with

laminated soft cover.
Total print run will be 20 copies: 10 copies will be gifts for my best
customers (that was my original intent), while 10 more copies will be
offered here on a first booking-first picking basis. I plan to have the
books available for shipping within 15 days from now. Special price 25 
Euros

+ shipping. Here are the pictures:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/imhr.jpg

Interested folks, please contact me offline.

Cheers,

Dario


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Re: My new book is here

[Dario Bonazza]

Thanks Frank,

Since one of my main customers is no longer publishing the corporate 
magazine I was working for (supplying copy and pictures), I think it can be 
a good idea to remind other customers and prospects what I can do for them. 
So I put together some of the best pictures I took in 2008 and make the 
book, planning to print just 6-7 copies for the purpose (costing me Eur 
60-70 each one). In the mean time, the printers are offering a cheaper 
soft-cover version of their book and applies a 45% discount when printing 
over 10 copies. At this  point I decided to print 20 books and use 10 of 
them for my purpose and 10 more for sale at cost. This is how the whole 
thing took shape.


Apart from selling those 10 books, which won't be so difficult, what do you 
(anyone reading this message) think of those pictures? Do you think the book 
will be a useful business card for a show reporter?


Comments welcome.

Cheers,

Dario

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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: My new book is here



On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:05 AM, Dario Bonazza
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The draft for the book has been updated:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/imhr.jpg


Looks amazing, Dario.  Congrats!

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO: Emergency Strip

[Cotty]

On 19/11/08, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#420702323_i4KP4-XL-LB
>
>Maybe a little OT but a fun story.
>A gent in our church flew B-25's in WWII, in New Guinea, Phillippines,
>and Japan. He joined in 44 at age 19 and by age 20 had flown 27 combat
>missions.
>We were talking a few weeks ago and he described the B-25 he flew, a J
>model with the solid nose and 8 machine guns as opposed to the clear
>nosed versions.
>He even described the nose that had a Wolf's head with barred teeth,
>as their squadron was called the "Wolf Pack."  I went on the web
>looking for models of the J version. Only one was ever made and was
>pretty hard to find, but luckily I found one here in Orlando at the
>local Camera and Hobby store.
>I just finished it today and tonight I took it to him at our Wed night
>"Aviation Group" meeting. He was in tears as he looked it over
>closely. He said that it was from the same squadron as his, the 38th
>Bomber Group. He didn't recognize the painting of the "Naked Lady" on
>the side but allowed that one may have been painted like that at some
>time. :-)

Looks like the tail gunner needs to diet ;-)

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Re: So you think you can drive?

[John Francis]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:38:28PM -0500, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Impressive. But personally, I don't call "driving" anything that
>> requires a car such as this and also wearing helmet and gloves at all
>> times during the process. It is indeed very sporty but like every
>> sport it belongs to the sports arena.
>
> Gymkhana may have changed a lot since I last went to one, because this  
> guy wouldn't have placed well in the events I attended. He wasted far  
> too much time spinning around in circles instead of running the course.
>
> The idea, as far as I can remember, is to get through the gates with the  
> lowest elapsed time, and the fewest fouled gates. I think the vid is  
> just him goofing around.

Well, if you actually read the intro you'll find that to be the case.
It's not meant to be a real gymkhana course - just a practice session
dummied up to bear some resemblance to what goes on in gymkhana.


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Re: My new book is here

[Christine Aguila]

Dario:  Very dynamic feel to the shots and the collection.  Congrats, and I 
hope it sells well for you.  Cheers, Christine



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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:05 AM
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The draft for the book has been updated:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/imhr.jpg

Dario

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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:43 AM
Subject: My new book is here



Hi all,

I've decided to try & print my first photo book, showing a selection of 
my
best 2008 work (apart from two pictures shot in 2007). It will be a 
51-page

book + cover including over 60 pictures divided into three sections:
fashion, music, performance. Page size is 20x30cm, 160g glossy paper with
laminated soft cover.
Total print run will be 20 copies: 10 copies will be gifts for my best
customers (that was my original intent), while 10 more copies will be
offered here on a first booking-first picking basis. I plan to have the
books available for shipping within 15 days from now. Special price 25 
Euros

+ shipping. Here are the pictures:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/imhr.jpg

Interested folks, please contact me offline.

Cheers,

Dario


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Re: Geso. A gallery from the Royal Winter Fair

[Christine Aguila]

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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Geso. A gallery from the Royal Winter Fair



From: "Christine  Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Dave:  Very nice gallery.  Especially like the ones below.  Congrats 
to Erin.  Cheers, Christine


http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2008-rawf-nov16/slides/_CAL6895.html

maybe a tighter crop on the left?
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2008-rawf-nov16/slides/_CAL6924.html

2 great father/daughter pics, Dave (this one & the kiss)
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2008-rawf-nov16/slides/_CAL6939.html


The last one could benefit from setting the flash to red-eye reduction or 
moving it off the camera ... or get rid of it with Photoshop.



Agreed, but I just assumed Dave knew that too and would get it all sorted. 
:-)  So, Dave, did you get it all sorted?  :-) 




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Re: OT GESO - Red Bull Air Race (Nikon Version)

[Christine Aguila]

Hey, you got C for Christine :-) 
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_018/content/_DSC4736_large.html


This one makes me giggle: 
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_018/content/_DSC4927_large.html


You know, I'm pretty sure I saw that dress the gal on the far right is 
wearing on the rack here in Chicago.

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_018/content/_DSC4963_large.html

Nice one here: 
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_018/content/_DSC4994_large.html


a very, very nice one here: 
http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_018/content/_DSC5006_large.html 
actually, Dave, all the ones in smokey formation are really cool.


Really great shots, Dave.  Enjoyed your gallery.
Cheers, Christine




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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:38 AM
Subject: OT GESO - Red Bull Air Race (Nikon Version)



G'day All,

A few of you showed interest in seeing what the Nikon managed to
produce, so here are 28 of the approximately 500 images I came away
with that day:



...and here is a pano I made with the D700 & 20mm f2.8 (~180kb)



All but one of these were shot using the D700& Nikon AF-S 70-200mm
f2.8 VR. Image 4994 was made using the AF-D 24mm f2.8 & polarising
filter.

Due to the lack of "pulling" power of the 200mm, I used this setup
more for perving...err...environmental shots

;-)

BTW, the 5th shot in the gallery is of Western Australia's fauna
emblem the black swan.

Any questions & all comments welcome.

Cheers,

Dave

PS here is the link to the Pentax Gallery again:



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Re: Emergency Strip

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Walt:  Great story!  and tell your friend Christine from Chicago sends a 
hearty salute to him and the Wolf Pack. :-)  Cheers, Christine



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http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#420702323_i4KP4-XL-LB

Maybe a little OT but a fun story.
A gent in our church flew B-25's in WWII, in New Guinea, Phillippines,
and Japan. He joined in 44 at age 19 and by age 20 had flown 27 combat
missions.
We were talking a few weeks ago and he described the B-25 he flew, a J
model with the solid nose and 8 machine guns as opposed to the clear
nosed versions.
He even described the nose that had a Wolf's head with barred teeth,
as their squadron was called the "Wolf Pack."  I went on the web
looking for models of the J version. Only one was ever made and was
pretty hard to find, but luckily I found one here in Orlando at the
local Camera and Hobby store.
I just finished it today and tonight I took it to him at our Wed night
"Aviation Group" meeting. He was in tears as he looked it over
closely. He said that it was from the same squadron as his, the 38th
Bomber Group. He didn't recognize the painting of the "Naked Lady" on
the side but allowed that one may have been painted like that at some
time. :-)

Walt

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Re: Rocky

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Dave:  I really like the colors and light in this one.Someone said 
something about a cover for a Sci-Fi novel--I think that would work.  The 
pic does have a kind of other-worldly look to it. :-)  Nice one!  Cheers, 
Christine



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Subject: PESO: Rocky



G'day All.

Browsing through my archives tonight & I came across this one that I
quite liked (~260kb):



K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/125 @ f4.5, ISO 100.

Used the gradient filter in LR 2 to pull down the sky

And in case anyone thinks it looks too saturated, that's really what
it looked like.

As always, comments more than welcome.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO - The Matador Club

[P. J. Alling]

Bob W wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:44 AM, David J Brooks 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I'v never heard it mentioned on the TV news, so probably not. Owners
must have something on the Mayor.:-)
  

If that's the case, then they've had something on every mayor since
(and including) Nathan Phillips (who took office in 1955).

:-)




it must be run by J Edgar Hoover.

Bob
  

I'd certainly be wary of a giving trouble to club run by a dead man...

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Re: Test

[P. J. Alling]

Now that's just silly, because I'm sure Ken exists...

Ken Waller wrote:

I just got the same message on an email I tried to send to the list.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - From: "John Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:19 PM
Subject: OT: Test



I apologize, but I just got a mail bounce saying it couldn't verify that
I exist. Wanted to see if it's going to do it again.


This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason:

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Re: OT: Test

[P. J. Alling]

I hate to tell you this, but I think you're a figment of my 
imagination.  I'm sure Frank is...


John Sessoms wrote:

I apologize, but I just got a mail bounce saying it couldn't verify that
I exist. Wanted to see if it's going to do it again.


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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
You're wrestling in the mud with pigs...
Stop it now.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:16 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, the supply of old M42 lenses is huge. The market for them is small.
>
> If the market was so huge someone would have made a M42 DSLR by now.
>
> And given the rise of the Yen, shrinking DSLR sale profits & general global
> economic difficulties, we're not going to see one anytime soon if at all.
>
> DS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JC
> OConnell
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 9:03 AM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
> M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> John Celio
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:15 PM
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> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42
> adaptor.
>
> There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
> camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,
> and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.  There
> is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable
> manufacturer trying to fill it.
>
> John
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Re: PESO: Emergency Strip

[P. J. Alling]

Nice job, but it's too clean...

Walter Hamler wrote:

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#420702323_i4KP4-XL-LB

Maybe a little OT but a fun story.
A gent in our church flew B-25's in WWII, in New Guinea, Phillippines,
and Japan. He joined in 44 at age 19 and by age 20 had flown 27 combat
missions.
We were talking a few weeks ago and he described the B-25 he flew, a J
model with the solid nose and 8 machine guns as opposed to the clear
nosed versions.
He even described the nose that had a Wolf's head with barred teeth,
as their squadron was called the "Wolf Pack."  I went on the web
looking for models of the J version. Only one was ever made and was
pretty hard to find, but luckily I found one here in Orlando at the
local Camera and Hobby store.
I just finished it today and tonight I took it to him at our Wed night
"Aviation Group" meeting. He was in tears as he looked it over
closely. He said that it was from the same squadron as his, the 38th
Bomber Group. He didn't recognize the painting of the "Naked Lady" on
the side but allowed that one may have been painted like that at some
time. :-)

Walt

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Fw: So you think you can drive?

[Ken Waller]

Trying to resend.

Kenneth Waller
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:13 PM
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Stewart used to show up at Ford's Dearborn test track and drive the 
handling course with a large salad bowl looking dish (with gently curving 
sides) attached to the hood with a small ball in it. He'd then proceed to 
lap the track at speed without ever having having the ball come out of the 
dish - an indication of how smooth he drove.
He'd also modulate the brakes on a complete stop so that it was impossible 
to see the nose dive & recover.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Sandy Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: So you think you can drive?


On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

Joseph McAllister wrote:


The other secret I'd pass on to newcomers is: Relax. Breathe, Don't TRY 
to

go fast. Be as smooth as you can at all times. 


I'll second that! Works for motorcycles as well as cars. ...


There was an article I read years ago. The reporter for some car mag went
to a racing school. First exercise was going round the track with a glass
of water on the dash. Try not to spill it.

The reporter was bored, wanted to go fast.
"Who does this guy think he is, Jackie Stewart?
Oh, yeah, actually he is Jackie Stewart."

--
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Re: Test

[Ken Waller]

I just got the same message on an email I tried to send to the list.

Kenneth Waller
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RE: What was the name of the USA issued Pentax SLR that was equivilentto the ProgramA?

[JC OConnell]

ok, Confusing as hell naming. I never got into the program exposure
modes
or owned any of these A type bodies. I was a dyed in the wool 80's
screwmount user when these bodies were popular, I didnt really
switch/start using a lot of K mounts till the 21st Century and only
because of
the lack of a M42 DSLR really. If somebody had made a M42 DSLR,
I probably still would be using M42 full time. 

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Again, from Boz's page on 'A' series cameras:

Table 1. Pentax A-Series Film Bodies.

 superA  =  superPROGRAM

programA = programPLUS

and  A3 = A3000

Joseph McAllister
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On Nov 19, 2008, at 19:24 , John Sessoms wrote:

> From: "JC OConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> What was the name of the USA Pentax SLR that was equivilent to the 
>> ProgramA
>
> If memory serves, it was originally called the "ProgramA";
> predecessor to the "Super Program".


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Re: So you think you can drive?

[John Sessoms]

From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Impressive. But personally, I don't call "driving" anything that
requires a car such as this and also wearing helmet and gloves at all
times during the process. It is indeed very sporty but like every
sport it belongs to the sports arena.


Gymkhana may have changed a lot since I last went to one, because this 
guy wouldn't have placed well in the events I attended. He wasted far 
too much time spinning around in circles instead of running the course.


The idea, as far as I can remember, is to get through the gates with the 
lowest elapsed time, and the fewest fouled gates. I think the vid is 
just him goofing around.



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Re: What was the name of the USA issued Pentax SLR that was equivilent to the ProgramA?

[Joseph McAllister]

Again, from Boz's page on 'A' series cameras:

Table 1. Pentax A-Series Film Bodies.

superA  =  superPROGRAM

programA = programPLUS

and  A3 = A3000

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On Nov 19, 2008, at 19:24 , John Sessoms wrote:


From: "JC OConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

What was the name of the USA Pentax SLR that was equivilent to the
ProgramA


If memory serves, it was originally called the "ProgramA";  
predecessor to the "Super Program".



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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

That's not the problem, I have about a dozen various spotties in
near new condition, I want a true M42 DSLR for M42 lens collection,
just like I have a DSLR for my PK lens collection.
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Sounds like you should give up digital, and get yourself a used  
Spotmatic ][ if you want to be happy.


Joseph McAllister
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On Nov 19, 2008, at 18:48 , JC OConnell wrote:

> To each his own, but after using auto M42 lenses for decades with film

> bodies, I know how easy they can be to work with, VERY EASY, but not 
> the todays adapter "solutions". AWKWARD is an understatement.
>
> I can give up metering, autoexposure, autofocus, etc, no problem. but 
> auto aperture functioning is just too important to give up for 
> everyday use for me.
>
>
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Joseph McAllister]

Sounds like you should give up digital, and get yourself a used  
Spotmatic ][ if you want to be happy.



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On Nov 19, 2008, at 18:48 , JC OConnell wrote:


To each his own, but after using auto M42 lenses for decades with film
bodies, I know how easy they can be to work with, VERY EASY, but
not the todays adapter "solutions". AWKWARD is an understatement.

I can give up metering, autoexposure, autofocus, etc, no problem.
but auto aperture functioning is just too important to give up for
everyday
use for me.


JC O'Connell
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OT: Test

[John Sessoms]

I apologize, but I just got a mail bounce saying it couldn't verify that
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Re: Identifying Cameras Without EXIF

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Change the block of pixels in the Jpeg at the upper right hand corner, 
unrotated, and you'll change the encoding.  Do it a couple of times and 
I'll bet it's unpredictable enough to screw this method all too hell. 

However, even if it doesn't let's see they used an example to identify 
cameras, used in kidnapings. 


And after you find out it was taken with a Rebel-D from Walmart, using a 
kit lens, then what? Which Walmart? Which Rebel-D?


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Re: So you think you can drive?

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On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Sandy Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Joseph McAllister wrote:
>>>
>>> The other secret I'd pass on to newcomers is: Relax. Breathe, Don't TRY to
>>> go fast. Be as smooth as you can at all times. 
>>
>> I'll second that! Works for motorcycles as well as cars. ...
>
> There was an article I read years ago. The reporter for some car mag went
> to a racing school. First exercise was going round the track with a glass
> of water on the dash. Try not to spill it.
>
> The reporter was bored, wanted to go fast.
> "Who does this guy think he is, Jackie Stewart?
>  Oh, yeah, actually he is Jackie Stewart."
>
> --
> Sandy Harris,
> Quanzhou, Fujian, China

That water trick is also the setup for Initial D, the japanese
animated series and graphic novel series about illegal backroads
racing that is responsible for much of the popularity of drifting
today. The main character had spent a couple of years delivering Tofu
for his dad, who made him take a cup of water on the dash and not
spill it. Unbeknownst to the main character, his dad had been a famous
and successful) street racer in his youth.


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Re: Geso. A gallery from the Royal Winter Fair

[John Sessoms]

From: "Christine  Aguila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Dave:  Very nice gallery.  Especially like the ones below.  Congrats to 
Erin.  Cheers, Christine


http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2008-rawf-nov16/slides/_CAL6895.html

maybe a tighter crop on the left?
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2008-rawf-nov16/slides/_CAL6924.html

2 great father/daughter pics, Dave (this one & the kiss)
http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2008-rawf-nov16/slides/_CAL6939.html


The last one could benefit from setting the flash to red-eye reduction 
or moving it off the camera ... or get rid of it with Photoshop.


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RE: What was the name of the USA issued Pentax SLR that was equivilentto the ProgramA?

[JC OConnell]

I think these were concurrent and identical but the different 
names were used for USA and INTERNATIONAL distributed models.
SuperProgram = USA
and the international outside USA name was ProgramPlus for the
same camera. Not sure about the SuperProgram. That might be a
different camera altogther.

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From: "JC OConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> What was the name of the USA Pentax SLR that was equivilent to the 
> ProgramA

If memory serves, it was originally called the "ProgramA"; predecessor 
to the "Super Program".

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Re: So you think you can drive?

[Sandy Harris]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joseph McAllister wrote:
>>
>> The other secret I'd pass on to newcomers is: Relax. Breathe, Don't TRY to
>> go fast. Be as smooth as you can at all times. 
>
> I'll second that! Works for motorcycles as well as cars. ...

There was an article I read years ago. The reporter for some car mag went
to a racing school. First exercise was going round the track with a glass
of water on the dash. Try not to spill it.

The reporter was bored, wanted to go fast.
"Who does this guy think he is, Jackie Stewart?
 Oh, yeah, actually he is Jackie Stewart."

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What was the name of the USA issued Pentax SLR that was equivilent to the ProgramA?

[John Sessoms]

From: "JC OConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

What was the name of the USA Pentax SLR that was equivilent to the
ProgramA


If memory serves, it was originally called the "ProgramA"; predecessor 
to the "Super Program".


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RE: California fires

[John Sessoms]

From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Segways can be taken offroad, with the right equipment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALu3KhLGnTY


Bummer!

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Re: So you think you can drive?

[Mark Roberts]

Joseph McAllister wrote:


The other secret I'd pass on to newcomers is: Relax. Breathe, Don't TRY 
to go fast. Be as smooth as you can at all times. Never jerk the wheel. 
Never slam on the brakes. If you've got a lot of power, never tromp on 
the gas. Ease into everything.


I'll second that! Works for motorcycles as well as cars. On my second 
weekend of roadracing I almost gave up the sport, thinking it just 
wasn't for me: I was tense and scaring myself in every corner. So on the 
next practice session I decided to just ride around and have fun. By 
relaxing I went *faster* than before and within a few laps I got my knee 
down for the first time (Shannonville Motorsports Park, Shannonville, 
Ontario - turn 3, to be precise!)



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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

Pentax had semi-auto and auto apeture lenses even before the spotmatic
(around 1960). Pentax only switched to M42 about 3 years earlier.
So restated, you are going back to the stone ages in working mode
by using a fully manual diaphram in 2008. 

Compose BEFORE stopping down? Impossible. Focus before stopping
down yes, but you have to stop down before you are ready to shoot
so the final composition is always stopped down (read DARK).
SUCKS bigtime. I positively hate it. Otherwise with auto-M42
its fine. Focus, compose, and shoot WIDE OPEN and the automatic
aperture takes care of stopping down only for the exposure,
thats great. Full Manual aperture? , nope. Anti-great.

Regarding M42 lens features, the VAST VAST majority of them
have auto aperture feature. Only a small percentage of them
are semi auto (very very rare), full manual (rare) or preset (scarce).
Why? Because auto aperture was developed well before M42 even became
popular with Pentax in the early '60's. Even the really el cheapo M42
lenses had
preset aperture which is far more ergonomic than the full
manual mode you have to endure with a DSLR/adapter combo in 2008 on
Pentax or Canon Eos bodies.

To each his own, but after using auto M42 lenses for decades with film
bodies, I know how easy they can be to work with, VERY EASY, but
not the todays adapter "solutions". AWKWARD is an understatement.

I can give up metering, autoexposure, autofocus, etc, no problem.
but auto aperture functioning is just too important to give up for
everyday
use for me.


JC O'Connell
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Which is why once composes before stopping down. Works pretty darn well.
Especially since many M42 lenses were actually designed to work that way
(Said aperture stop-down plate you're complaining about didn't appear
until M42 mount was more that 16 years old and many lenses never
supported it anyways).

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:27 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To rephrase that, I might be willing to use a M42 on a PK or EOS body 
> manually once in a while with an occasional Fisheye, 15mm, or 1000mm 
> or something, but for everyday use, NO WAY. Manual aperture mode of 
> working is just unacceptably slow and annoying and error prone 
> (composing with the aperture closed).
>
> JC O'Connell
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>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of JC OConnell
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:25 PM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> I cant disagree any more strongly, the M42s SUFFER SUFFER SUFFER 
> without auto aperture, they are so annoying with the totally manual 
> aperture you get on a adapter that I would be willing to buy a M42 
> DSLR so I could USE them again. The loss of auto aperture is NOT a 
> "fairly small loss in functionality", it a FATAL loss IMHO.
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of Adam Maas
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:03 PM
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> Subject: Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> Which is true primarily because of Canon shooters looking for good, 
> inexpensive primes (And to a greatly lesser extent the same among 
> Pentax, Olympus/Panasonic and Sony shooters). M42 costs are still a 
> fraction of the cost of similar Canon lenses and the M42 lenses are 
> often a fair bit better than some of said Canon lenses (or in the case

> of 50's, faster AND better).
>
> There's a much smaller market for an M42 DSLR than there is for M42 
> lenses _because_ those lenses are easily adapted to so many mounts 
> with a fairly small loss in functionality.
>
> The primary market for Manual Focus lenses in mounts other than K and 
> F are Canon shooters. And there's enough of them to seriously drive up

> prices of desirable lenses (Go price a MC Rokkor 58mm f1.2 or a Zeiss 
> 21mm f2.8 Distagon vs what they were 3 years ago). And M42 is one of 
> the two mounts almost every Alt-lens shooter on Canon starts with (the

> other being F mount).
>
> -Adam
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>> Nope, the M42 market prices would have fallen way off by now if the 
>> market for them was so small, they havent surprisingly. It's weird 
>> because you would think that most film users would have abandoned 
>> them
>
>> ( I have ), but the prices still are holding up on them (at least the

>> good ones). They are going for more now then they were 5-10 years ago

>> when market was mostly still film slrs in use.
>>
>> JC O'Connell
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Adam Maas]

Which is why once composes before stopping down. Works pretty darn
well. Especially since many M42 lenses were actually designed to work
that way (Said aperture stop-down plate you're complaining about
didn't appear until M42 mount was more that 16 years old and many
lenses never supported it anyways).

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:27 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To rephrase that, I might be willing to use a M42 on a PK or EOS
> body manually once in a while with an occasional Fisheye, 15mm,
> or 1000mm or something, but for everyday use, NO WAY. Manual aperture
> mode of working is just unacceptably slow and annoying and error
> prone (composing with the aperture closed).
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> JC OConnell
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:25 PM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> I cant disagree any more strongly, the M42s SUFFER SUFFER SUFFER without
> auto aperture, they are so annoying with the totally manual aperture you
> get on a adapter that I would be willing to buy a M42 DSLR so I could
> USE them again. The loss of auto aperture is NOT a "fairly small loss in
> functionality", it a FATAL loss IMHO.
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Adam Maas
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:03 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> Which is true primarily because of Canon shooters looking for good,
> inexpensive primes (And to a greatly lesser extent the same among
> Pentax, Olympus/Panasonic and Sony shooters). M42 costs are still a
> fraction of the cost of similar Canon lenses and the M42 lenses are
> often a fair bit better than some of said Canon lenses (or in the case
> of 50's, faster AND better).
>
> There's a much smaller market for an M42 DSLR than there is for M42
> lenses _because_ those lenses are easily adapted to so many mounts with
> a fairly small loss in functionality.
>
> The primary market for Manual Focus lenses in mounts other than K and F
> are Canon shooters. And there's enough of them to seriously drive up
> prices of desirable lenses (Go price a MC Rokkor 58mm f1.2 or a Zeiss
> 21mm f2.8 Distagon vs what they were 3 years ago). And M42 is one of the
> two mounts almost every Alt-lens shooter on Canon starts with (the other
> being F mount).
>
> -Adam
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nope, the M42 market prices would have fallen way off by now if the
>> market for them was so small, they havent surprisingly. It's weird
>> because you would think that most film users would have abandoned them
>
>> ( I have ), but the prices still are holding up on them (at least the
>> good ones). They are going for more now then they were 5-10 years ago
>> when market was mostly still film slrs in use.
>>
>> JC O'Connell
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of David Savage
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:17 PM
>> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>>
>>
>> No, the supply of old M42 lenses is huge. The market for them is
>> small.
>>
>> If the market was so huge someone would have made a M42 DSLR by now.
>>
>> And given the rise of the Yen, shrinking DSLR sale profits & general
>> global economic difficulties, we're not going to see one anytime soon
>> if at all.
>>
>> DS
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of JC OConnell
>> Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 9:03 AM
>> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>>
>> M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!
>>
>> JC O'Connell
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Of John Celio
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:15 PM
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>> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>>
>>
>> The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42
>
>> adaptor.
>>
>> There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
>> camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,
>
>> and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.
>> There is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable
>> manufacturer trying to fill it.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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re: GESO: The Paris stuff etc.

[ann sanfedele]

If 3 more people buy on print each  (the 5 x 7's are only $10)  from any 
gallery
on my smugmug site and order the prints before the end of the month I'll 
have made enough

to get a check from them in December

That is apart from the cafepress calendar printing... which I really 
don't expect many if any of

you guys to want, anyway.

The Paris gallery is here:

http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/2538645_CM59k

ann


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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Adam Maas]

Well, you're welcome to think it's a fatal loss, but there's plenty of
people off happily working with that loss without a fuss. Including
myself (Although not with M42 lenses at the moment as I don't
currently have any. CZ, F and Mamiya M645 lenses only right now)

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:24 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I cant disagree any more strongly, the M42s SUFFER SUFFER SUFFER
> without auto aperture, they are so annoying with the totally manual
> aperture you get on a adapter that I would be willing to buy a
> M42 DSLR so I could USE them again. The loss of auto aperture is
> NOT a "fairly small loss in functionality", it a FATAL loss IMHO.
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Adam Maas
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:03 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> Which is true primarily because of Canon shooters looking for good,
> inexpensive primes (And to a greatly lesser extent the same among
> Pentax, Olympus/Panasonic and Sony shooters). M42 costs are still a
> fraction of the cost of similar Canon lenses and the M42 lenses are
> often a fair bit better than some of said Canon lenses (or in the case
> of 50's, faster AND better).
>
> There's a much smaller market for an M42 DSLR than there is for M42
> lenses _because_ those lenses are easily adapted to so many mounts with
> a fairly small loss in functionality.
>
> The primary market for Manual Focus lenses in mounts other than K and F
> are Canon shooters. And there's enough of them to seriously drive up
> prices of desirable lenses (Go price a MC Rokkor 58mm f1.2 or a Zeiss
> 21mm f2.8 Distagon vs what they were 3 years ago). And M42 is one of the
> two mounts almost every Alt-lens shooter on Canon starts with (the other
> being F mount).
>
> -Adam
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nope, the M42 market prices would have fallen way off by now if the
>> market for them was so small, they havent surprisingly. It's weird
>> because you would think that most film users would have abandoned them
>
>> ( I have ), but the prices still are holding up on them (at least the
>> good ones). They are going for more now then they were 5-10 years ago
>> when market was mostly still film slrs in use.
>>
>> JC O'Connell
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of David Savage
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:17 PM
>> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>>
>>
>> No, the supply of old M42 lenses is huge. The market for them is
>> small.
>>
>> If the market was so huge someone would have made a M42 DSLR by now.
>>
>> And given the rise of the Yen, shrinking DSLR sale profits & general
>> global economic difficulties, we're not going to see one anytime soon
>> if at all.
>>
>> DS
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of JC OConnell
>> Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 9:03 AM
>> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>>
>> M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!
>>
>> JC O'Connell
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of John Celio
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:15 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>>
>>
>> The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42
>
>> adaptor.
>>
>> There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
>> camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,
>
>> and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.
>> There is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable
>> manufacturer trying to fill it.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

To rephrase that, I might be willing to use a M42 on a PK or EOS
body manually once in a while with an occasional Fisheye, 15mm,
or 1000mm or something, but for everyday use, NO WAY. Manual aperture
mode of working is just unacceptably slow and annoying and error
prone (composing with the aperture closed).

JC O'Connell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
JC OConnell
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:25 PM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?


I cant disagree any more strongly, the M42s SUFFER SUFFER SUFFER without
auto aperture, they are so annoying with the totally manual aperture you
get on a adapter that I would be willing to buy a M42 DSLR so I could
USE them again. The loss of auto aperture is NOT a "fairly small loss in
functionality", it a FATAL loss IMHO.

JC O'Connell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adam Maas
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:03 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?


Which is true primarily because of Canon shooters looking for good,
inexpensive primes (And to a greatly lesser extent the same among
Pentax, Olympus/Panasonic and Sony shooters). M42 costs are still a
fraction of the cost of similar Canon lenses and the M42 lenses are
often a fair bit better than some of said Canon lenses (or in the case
of 50's, faster AND better).

There's a much smaller market for an M42 DSLR than there is for M42
lenses _because_ those lenses are easily adapted to so many mounts with
a fairly small loss in functionality.

The primary market for Manual Focus lenses in mounts other than K and F
are Canon shooters. And there's enough of them to seriously drive up
prices of desirable lenses (Go price a MC Rokkor 58mm f1.2 or a Zeiss
21mm f2.8 Distagon vs what they were 3 years ago). And M42 is one of the
two mounts almost every Alt-lens shooter on Canon starts with (the other
being F mount).

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope, the M42 market prices would have fallen way off by now if the
> market for them was so small, they havent surprisingly. It's weird 
> because you would think that most film users would have abandoned them

> ( I have ), but the prices still are holding up on them (at least the
> good ones). They are going for more now then they were 5-10 years ago 
> when market was mostly still film slrs in use.
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of David Savage
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:17 PM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> No, the supply of old M42 lenses is huge. The market for them is
> small.
>
> If the market was so huge someone would have made a M42 DSLR by now.
>
> And given the rise of the Yen, shrinking DSLR sale profits & general
> global economic difficulties, we're not going to see one anytime soon 
> if at all.
>
> DS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of JC OConnell
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 9:03 AM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
> M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of John Celio
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:15 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42

> adaptor.
>
> There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
> camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,

> and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.
> There is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable 
> manufacturer trying to fill it.
>
> John
>
>
>
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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

I cant disagree any more strongly, the M42s SUFFER SUFFER SUFFER
without auto aperture, they are so annoying with the totally manual
aperture you get on a adapter that I would be willing to buy a
M42 DSLR so I could USE them again. The loss of auto aperture is
NOT a "fairly small loss in functionality", it a FATAL loss IMHO.

JC O'Connell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Adam Maas
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:03 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?


Which is true primarily because of Canon shooters looking for good,
inexpensive primes (And to a greatly lesser extent the same among
Pentax, Olympus/Panasonic and Sony shooters). M42 costs are still a
fraction of the cost of similar Canon lenses and the M42 lenses are
often a fair bit better than some of said Canon lenses (or in the case
of 50's, faster AND better).

There's a much smaller market for an M42 DSLR than there is for M42
lenses _because_ those lenses are easily adapted to so many mounts with
a fairly small loss in functionality.

The primary market for Manual Focus lenses in mounts other than K and F
are Canon shooters. And there's enough of them to seriously drive up
prices of desirable lenses (Go price a MC Rokkor 58mm f1.2 or a Zeiss
21mm f2.8 Distagon vs what they were 3 years ago). And M42 is one of the
two mounts almost every Alt-lens shooter on Canon starts with (the other
being F mount).

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope, the M42 market prices would have fallen way off by now if the 
> market for them was so small, they havent surprisingly. It's weird 
> because you would think that most film users would have abandoned them

> ( I have ), but the prices still are holding up on them (at least the 
> good ones). They are going for more now then they were 5-10 years ago 
> when market was mostly still film slrs in use.
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of David Savage
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:17 PM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> No, the supply of old M42 lenses is huge. The market for them is 
> small.
>
> If the market was so huge someone would have made a M42 DSLR by now.
>
> And given the rise of the Yen, shrinking DSLR sale profits & general 
> global economic difficulties, we're not going to see one anytime soon 
> if at all.
>
> DS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of JC OConnell
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 9:03 AM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
> M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of John Celio
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:15 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42

> adaptor.
>
> There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit 
> camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,

> and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.  
> There is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable 
> manufacturer trying to fill it.
>
> John
>
>
>
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Re: PESO: Emergency Strip

[Joseph McAllister]

That was a great thing to do for him, Walt. I'm sure he'll remember  
last night for a long time.


I've been trying to round up a bunch of my old Navy buddies for the  
past few weeks, with really very little success. Being a visually  
oriented person, I'm great remembering faces, but not so good at  
names. This does not do you well when the faces all have an additional  
45 years on them!


Joseph McAllister
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Nov 19, 2008, at 17:56 , Walter Hamler wrote:


http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#420702323_i4KP4-XL-LB

Maybe a little OT but a fun story.
A gent in our church flew B-25's in WWII, in New Guinea, Phillippines,
and Japan. He joined in 44 at age 19 and by age 20 had flown 27 combat
missions.
We were talking a few weeks ago and he described the B-25 he flew, a J
model with the solid nose and 8 machine guns as opposed to the clear
nosed versions.
He even described the nose that had a Wolf's head with barred teeth,
as their squadron was called the "Wolf Pack."  I went on the web
looking for models of the J version. Only one was ever made and was
pretty hard to find, but luckily I found one here in Orlando at the
local Camera and Hobby store.
I just finished it today and tonight I took it to him at our Wed night
"Aviation Group" meeting. He was in tears as he looked it over
closely. He said that it was from the same squadron as his, the 38th
Bomber Group. He didn't recognize the painting of the "Naked Lady" on
the side but allowed that one may have been painted like that at some
time. :-)

Walt



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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Adam Maas]

Which is true primarily because of Canon shooters looking for good,
inexpensive primes (And to a greatly lesser extent the same among
Pentax, Olympus/Panasonic and Sony shooters). M42 costs are still a
fraction of the cost of similar Canon lenses and the M42 lenses are
often a fair bit better than some of said Canon lenses (or in the case
of 50's, faster AND better).

There's a much smaller market for an M42 DSLR than there is for M42
lenses _because_ those lenses are easily adapted to so many mounts
with a fairly small loss in functionality.

The primary market for Manual Focus lenses in mounts other than K and
F are Canon shooters. And there's enough of them to seriously drive up
prices of desirable lenses (Go price a MC Rokkor 58mm f1.2 or a Zeiss
21mm f2.8 Distagon vs what they were 3 years ago). And M42 is one of
the two mounts almost every Alt-lens shooter on Canon starts with (the
other being F mount).

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:49 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope, the M42 market prices would have fallen way off by now
> if the market for them was so small, they havent surprisingly.
> It's weird because you would think that most film users
> would have abandoned them ( I have ), but the prices still are
> holding up on them (at least the good ones). They are going
> for more now then they were 5-10 years ago when market was mostly
> still film slrs in use.
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> David Savage
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:17 PM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> No, the supply of old M42 lenses is huge. The market for them is small.
>
> If the market was so huge someone would have made a M42 DSLR by now.
>
> And given the rise of the Yen, shrinking DSLR sale profits & general
> global economic difficulties, we're not going to see one anytime soon if
> at all.
>
> DS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> JC OConnell
> Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2008 9:03 AM
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
> M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> John Celio
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:15 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42
> adaptor.
>
> There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
> camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,
> and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.  There
> is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable
> manufacturer trying to fill it.
>
> John
>
>
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PESO: Emergency Strip

[Walter Hamler]

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#420702323_i4KP4-XL-LB

Maybe a little OT but a fun story.
A gent in our church flew B-25's in WWII, in New Guinea, Phillippines,
and Japan. He joined in 44 at age 19 and by age 20 had flown 27 combat
missions.
We were talking a few weeks ago and he described the B-25 he flew, a J
model with the solid nose and 8 machine guns as opposed to the clear
nosed versions.
He even described the nose that had a Wolf's head with barred teeth,
as their squadron was called the "Wolf Pack."  I went on the web
looking for models of the J version. Only one was ever made and was
pretty hard to find, but luckily I found one here in Orlando at the
local Camera and Hobby store.
I just finished it today and tonight I took it to him at our Wed night
"Aviation Group" meeting. He was in tears as he looked it over
closely. He said that it was from the same squadron as his, the 38th
Bomber Group. He didn't recognize the painting of the "Naked Lady" on
the side but allowed that one may have been painted like that at some
time. :-)

Walt

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Re: So you think you can drive?

[Joseph McAllister]

In my experience driving Porsches in Autocross (Gymkhana) and on the  
track, as Ken said, the least tire spin/skid the better. Autocross and  
road racing is all about cornering to maintain the fastest speed  
coming out of the corner, fastest acceleration to the next corner,  
best no-skid braking (but not too much) and easeing back on the gas  
before you get to the apex.


The other secret I'd pass on to newcomers is: Relax. Breathe, Don't  
TRY to go fast. Be as smooth as you can at all times. Never jerk the  
wheel. Never slam on the brakes. If you've got a lot of power, never  
tromp on the gas. Ease into everything.


And record your tire pressures before and after every run.

And wear a new approved helmet.

Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time

On Nov 19, 2008, at 16:47 , Ken Waller wrote:


I'm wondering if all that drifting is the fastest way around the
course.


I've been to Bondurant driving school several times & they've always  
said that the fastest way around a gymkhana course was with minimum  
wheel spin. It's spectacular but not the fastest way.


BTW that doesn't look like any autocross/gymkhana course I've ever  
seen or run - way more open & faster.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>


Subject: Re: So you think you can drive?


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Really needs sound for the most impact, but the video speaks for  
itself.



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Re: PESO - Cold November Day

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:00 AM, frank theriault wrote:

.. Now that I think of it, what I miss most about film is using my  
little

Leica CL.  If I could get a digital equivalent, like the Epson that
Cotty has (I know, it's bigger than the CL, but RFs in general are not
nearly as "intimidating" as DSLRs), I'm sure I'd never think of film
at all. ...


I know what you mean. But I'm not willing to put the money into an  
Epson R-D1 kit either. I keep looking at them and my head ... neat  
camera in every way, and some lovely lenses available for it.


But I have it from two good sources that a Leica M-bayonet to micro- 
FourThirds adapter will be available in the US by the end of December.  
The Panasonic G1 is about the same size as a Leica CL and, with its  
full time Live View, will be an even better platform for legacy manual  
lenses than today's DSLRs are. One of the G1 bodies fitted with an  
Ultron 28mm f/2 or Nokton 40mm f/1.4, or the upcoming 20/1.8 that  
Panasonic announced, would do the trick.


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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

Mass wrote :"It was nothing more than the bog-standard Cosina SLR with
yet another mount slapped on".

DUH. A M42 mount DSLR would be nothing more than a very cheap PK DSLR
with a M42 mount
slapped on and a simple M42 lens actuator plate instead of a lever to
activate the lens pin. I never suggested
M42 mount DSLR would be for people only using that mount, I for example,
want one in
addition to, not instead of, my PK DSLR.

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Yep, and one based almost entirely on a camera they'd been building for
decades. It was nothing more than the bog-standard Cosina SLR with yet
another mount slapped on. Same basic body's been made in K, F, OM, FD,
C/Y and possibly MD mounts. Essentially no development cost for a small
profit.

95%+ of the market for M42 lenses today is users who have a non-Nikon
DSLR and want some cheap and good primes. These users aren't going to
buy a M42 specific DSLR since M42 isn't the only mount they're using.

There's very few people who will buy a DSLR for one old mount, no matter
how many lenses are available on the cheap. And of those few, most of
them will want OM, C/Y or SR/MC/MD mount rather than M42 (especially
since two of those mounts support M42 adaptors).

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hell cosina introduced a low production film M42
> camera at low cost WHEN THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THEM.
> (MILLIONS OF WORKING SPOTMATICS ON THE MARKET AT THE TIME) there are 
> zero M42 DSLRs on the market now.
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
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>
>
> It might have helped if they made a few more of them and/or advertized

> them a little more broadly. They made less than 15,000 units and sold 
> them, occasionally, through a couple of knowledgeable dealers only. No

> economies of scale and no marketing means high prices...
>
> G
>
> On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> ... The RD-1 is so pricey because
>> Epson had to amortize the cost of the electronics over relatively few

>> units.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:41 PM, P. J. Alling 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> You know, I'd still like an RD-1.  It's just too expensive for what 
>>> it is...
>>>
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Re: So you think you can drive?

[Ken Waller]

Thanks for posting -
That's the most fun I've had today - just returned from a NAPP Photoshop 
seminar directed at graphic artists - phooey.


Now if I only had a car & tire sponsor.;-{

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Subject: So you think you can drive?





Really needs sound for the most impact, but the video speaks for itself.

Cheers,

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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

Nope, the M42 market prices would have fallen way off by now
if the market for them was so small, they havent surprisingly.
It's weird because you would think that most film users
would have abandoned them ( I have ), but the prices still are
holding up on them (at least the good ones). They are going
for more now then they were 5-10 years ago when market was mostly
still film slrs in use.

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No, the supply of old M42 lenses is huge. The market for them is small.

If the market was so huge someone would have made a M42 DSLR by now.

And given the rise of the Yen, shrinking DSLR sale profits & general
global economic difficulties, we're not going to see one anytime soon if
at all.

DS

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M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!

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The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42
adaptor.

There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,
and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.  There
is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable
manufacturer trying to fill it.

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Re: So you think you can drive?

[Ken Waller]

I'm wondering if all that drifting is the fastest way around the
course.


I've been to Bondurant driving school several times & they've always said 
that the fastest way around a gymkhana course was with minimum wheel spin. 
It's spectacular but not the fastest way.


BTW that doesn't look like any autocross/gymkhana course I've ever seen or 
run - way more open & faster.


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Subject: Re: So you think you can drive?



On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Really needs sound for the most impact, but the video speaks for itself.

Cheers,


It really is quite cool - incredible, actually.  I've seen a bit of
rallying on TV, and I know these guys have amazing car control.

I'm wondering if all that drifting is the fastest way around the
course.  Naturally, in parts where ultra-tight 360s are required in
small spaces there's no choice, but there were quite a few wild
four-wheel drifts where I'd have thought that keeping the tires stuck
to the ground would give more control, and therefore better
acceleration and higher cornering speeds.

I'm thinking there's probably a reason that F1 pilots don't drift
around like that (I know it would be impossible with all the
aerodynamic downforce anyway, but they put all those wings on the car
so they ~don't~ drift around, right?).

Cool stuff, nonetheless.

cheers,
frank


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Re: So you think you can drive?

[Doug Franklin]

frank theriault wrote:


I'm wondering if all that drifting is the fastest way around the
course.


In general on-pavement racing, no, it's not.  It's a lot more visually 
and auditorially exciting, but it's usually not the fastest way.  In 
off-road racing, though, like Paris-Dakar or Baja 1000, it often can be 
the fastest way through the course.



Naturally, in parts where ultra-tight 360s are required in
small spaces there's no choice, but there were quite a few wild
four-wheel drifts where I'd have thought that keeping the tires stuck
to the ground would give more control, and therefore better
acceleration and higher cornering speeds.


May or may not give more control (usually does), that's up to the skills 
of the driver.  But keeping the contact patch "immobile" with respect to 
the pavement does improve traction, thus acceleration, braking, and 
cornering.  For example, when you're braking hard, if you let the wheels 
lock up and skid, you're giving up something like 30% of your traction, 
and thus your ability to slow down.  Obviously the exact amount depends 
on a lot of variables, like the tires and their condition.  And 
"immobile" is in quotation marks because it's not really immobile, it's 
just not moving /much/ compared to the pavement.



I'm thinking there's probably a reason that F1 pilots don't drift
around like that (I know it would be impossible with all the
aerodynamic downforce anyway, but they put all those wings on the car
so they ~don't~ drift around, right?).


In F1 road course racing, maximizing traction is the only way to win, 
because that allows you to maximize cornering, acceleration, and 
braking.  And it's not impossible to drift an F1 car around like that, 
you just have to do it at low speed.  By the time an F1 car hits around 
100 mph it's already developing more downforce than its own weight and 
could drive on the ceiling of a tunnel if it had good ramps in and out.


In sand, mud, gravel, snow, etc., traction is often so scarce that you 
have to resort to other techniques.



Cool stuff, nonetheless.


Drifting is a tire manufacturer's wet dream.  You'll notice that tire 
manufacturers are the biggest sponsors of all things drifting.  I don't 
deny their car control skills and all that; it takes a ton of skill to 
do competition level drift driving.  But it's still an excuse to sell 
tires. :-)


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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Adam Maas]

Yep, and one based almost entirely on a camera they'd been building
for decades. It was nothing more than the bog-standard Cosina SLR with
yet another mount slapped on. Same basic body's been made in K, F, OM,
FD, C/Y and possibly MD mounts. Essentially no development cost for a
small profit.

95%+ of the market for M42 lenses today is users who have a non-Nikon
DSLR and want some cheap and good primes. These users aren't going to
buy a M42 specific DSLR since M42 isn't the only mount they're using.

There's very few people who will buy a DSLR for one old mount, no
matter how many lenses are available on the cheap. And of those few,
most of them will want OM, C/Y or SR/MC/MD mount rather than M42
(especially since two of those mounts support M42 adaptors).

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hell cosina introduced a low production film M42
> camera at low cost WHEN THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THEM.
> (MILLIONS OF WORKING SPOTMATICS ON THE MARKET AT THE TIME)
> there are zero M42 DSLRs on the market now.
>
> JC O'Connell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:57 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
>
>
> It might have helped if they made a few more of them and/or advertized
> them a little more broadly. They made less than 15,000 units and sold
> them, occasionally, through a couple of knowledgeable dealers only. No
> economies of scale and no marketing means high prices...
>
> G
>
> On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> ... The RD-1 is so pricey because
>> Epson had to amortize the cost of the electronics over relatively few
>> units.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:41 PM, P. J. Alling
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>> You know, I'd still like an RD-1.  It's just too expensive for what
>>> it is...
>>>
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Re: So you think you can drive? (Sorry...)

[Ken Waller]

I'm curious as to how he controls the spins so well.


Its called car control, obtained after much experience.

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Subject: Re: So you think you can drive? (Sorry...)



PN Stenquist wrote:
I hadn't seen it. Thanks for posting. His tire bill must be steep. It's 
interesting that, for the most part, he's able to keep it out of the rev 
limiter. An amazing demonstration. Some nice editing of the video as 
well.


I'm curious as to how he controls the spins so well. I'd expect that to be 
a real problem with an all-wheel-drive car.







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Re: PESO: Rocky

[Doug Franklin]

David Savage wrote:




K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/125 @ f4.5, ISO 100.

Used the gradient filter in LR 2 to pull down the sky

And in case anyone thinks it looks too saturated, that's really what
it looked like.


I like it, even though it /does/ look like the illustration for the 
cover of a science fiction novel. :-)


The mid-foreground rocks "feel" a little over-sharpened to me.

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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[David Savage]

No, the supply of old M42 lenses is huge. The market for them is small.

If the market was so huge someone would have made a M42 DSLR by now.

And given the rise of the Yen, shrinking DSLR sale profits & general global
economic difficulties, we're not going to see one anytime soon if at all.

DS

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M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!

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The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42
adaptor.

There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,
and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.  There
is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable
manufacturer trying to fill it.

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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

Hell cosina introduced a low production film M42
camera at low cost WHEN THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THEM.
(MILLIONS OF WORKING SPOTMATICS ON THE MARKET AT THE TIME)
there are zero M42 DSLRs on the market now.

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It might have helped if they made a few more of them and/or advertized  
them a little more broadly. They made less than 15,000 units and sold  
them, occasionally, through a couple of knowledgeable dealers only. No  
economies of scale and no marketing means high prices...

G

On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> ... The RD-1 is so pricey because
> Epson had to amortize the cost of the electronics over relatively few 
> units.
>
> -Adam
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:41 PM, P. J. Alling 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>> You know, I'd still like an RD-1.  It's just too expensive for what
>> it is...
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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

NO, they are NOT easily usable. All the so-called
adapter solutions do not support auto aperture so
you end up with a very very very un-user friedly
"open to focus, close to shoot" manual aperture,
which SUCKS the big. Nothing at all like these
lenses were intended to be used.

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I think you're grossly overestimating the demand for such a camera when
all of those lenses are easily usable with a cheap ($10-20) adaptor on
essentially all non-Nikon DSLR's. Especially since use of those lenses
with an adaptor, particularly on Canon and 4/3rds DSLR's means you can
also use lenses from other mounts, many of which have no equivalent in
M42 mount, particularly fast OM, Contax and Leica lenses.

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:09 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you are grossly underestimating the quantity of
> M42 lenses still in existance. They were sold in massive quantities in

> the 60's and 70's and were generally well made and simple. Hint: 
> theyre still out there and alive and well. The pentax M42s in 
> particular are of very high quality too.
>
> JC O'Connell
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>
>
> -Original Message-
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>
>
>
> And, I'm sure, for a significantly cheaper price than a camera that 
> will only appeal to a tiny fraction of the market for a regular DSLR.
>
> Less may or may not be more, but it's certainly going to cost more.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 02:51:17PM -0500, PN Stenquist wrote:
>> But you can do that with a current DSLR. Just put it in manual focus 
>> and manual exposure modes and turn off the review. I sometimes work 
>> that
> way.
>>
>> I cut my photographic teeth 35 years ago with all manual equipment. 
>> Im not particular nostalgic about those times, and I don't gush about

>> old
>
>> manual equipment. But I do enjoy working that way once in a while. No
>
>> special camera needed. It's all there in any of the Pentax DSLRs. 
>> Paul On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:21 PM, drew wrote:
>>
>>> Scott Loveless wrote:
 On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no

> screen, no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, 
> aperture and shutter
> speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a
> problem
> using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the back
> ;-)
 Retro-digital?
>>>
>>> Yup, a Zenit 12XP or Spotmatic with a digital sensor instead of
>>> filmno chimping, no fiddling around with menus to find some
>>> obscure setting that in reality makes no difference to the end
> result,
>>> no modes to shoot pictures of protons colliding in a particle
>>> accelerator, no frown and facial recognition, nothing... just the
> skill
>>> of the user to make a picture... :-)
>>>
>>> Drew.
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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

M42 lens market is huge, not tiny!

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The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42
adaptor.

There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
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and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.  There
is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable
manufacturer trying to fill it.

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Date: Wed, November 19, 2008 9:39 am
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Man, I would die for a basic M42 DSLR at this point.
All I would need on it was the M42 screw mount, basic stop down metering
a shutter speed dial , a built in flash, and the little pad to activate
the auto aperture M42 lens pin at moment of exposure. No need for AE or
AF(obviously). Even 6-10Mp APS would be better than the nothing we have
at this point.

Anybody heard of any rumors of one yet? With the millions
of great M42 lenses still out there in good working condition, it seems
to me sooner or later somebody will step in and fill the need for this
market. I know you can use M42 lenses (with manual modes on the lens) on
Pentax and Canon DSLRS with adapters but the lack of auto aperture makes
them way to cumbersome, and you cant use auto-only M42 lenses, hence the
need for a true M42 mount DSLR.


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Re: Old paper - to what use?

[ann sanfedele]

Link to something that kina reproduces what i got back in the day

http://annsan.smugmug.com/gallery/4796533_saNpx#420621436_mQvT2-A-LB

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Re: So you think you can drive?

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>
> Really needs sound for the most impact, but the video speaks for itself.
>
> Cheers,

It really is quite cool - incredible, actually.  I've seen a bit of
rallying on TV, and I know these guys have amazing car control.

I'm wondering if all that drifting is the fastest way around the
course.  Naturally, in parts where ultra-tight 360s are required in
small spaces there's no choice, but there were quite a few wild
four-wheel drifts where I'd have thought that keeping the tires stuck
to the ground would give more control, and therefore better
acceleration and higher cornering speeds.

I'm thinking there's probably a reason that F1 pilots don't drift
around like that (I know it would be impossible with all the
aerodynamic downforce anyway, but they put all those wings on the car
so they ~don't~ drift around, right?).

Cool stuff, nonetheless.

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Re: Old paper - to what use?

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ping... see my reply to your other post :-)

ann

P. J. Alling wrote:

Of course developing them won't do much good after the rest of the 
paper is exposed to light, since it would be all black.


P. J. Alling wrote:

Ann you have to develop them too.  If you don't the silver crystals 
won't stabilize and the fixer will simply dissolve them.


ann sanfedele wrote:




John Sessoms wrote:


From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I made some abstract geometric images exposing photo paper to 
light with various configurations of covering it up with various 
objects... trouble is you then have to
photo that as it won't last  - or at least I couldn't figure a way 
to do it.




Put them in fix just like any other B&W print. 



Nope - that didn't work of course I tried that...
anyway, I may have a couple of them in dark storage somewhere... 
but  fixing

just erased everything.

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Re: Old paper - to what use?

[ann sanfedele]

P.j.
You just don't understand   :-)   Maybe you misunderstood what I had 
done...
mind you,this was 20 years ago so my memory is fuzzy but  I tried 
all  that stuff,
fiddling around... I can't really show you what I'm talking about 
hmmm actually

I could by faking it in photoshop...

The bottom line is the minute any liquid of anykind touches the paper 
that at been

exposed  in the manner I exposed it the effect was ruined

When I tried to develop one - it simply turned the paper black the 
minute it hit the

chemicals...

the original stuff I did was prompted by an accidenttal exposure of 
paper ...


I'll make a photoshop imitation to show you guys .

ann

P. J. Alling wrote:

Ann you have to develop them too.  If you don't the silver crystals 
won't stabilize and the fixer will simply dissolve them.


ann sanfedele wrote:




John Sessoms wrote:


From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I made some abstract geometric images exposing photo paper to light 
with various configurations of covering it up with various 
objects... trouble is you then have to
photo that as it won't last  - or at least I couldn't figure a way 
to do it.




Put them in fix just like any other B&W print. 



Nope - that didn't work of course I tried that...
anyway, I may have a couple of them in dark storage somewhere... but  
fixing

just erased everything.

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Re: So you think you can drive?

[Cory Waters]

I don't think I would ever consider a marathon.
Unless I was stopping for a Coke.
CW


Steve Desjardins wrote:

Would you consider a marathon "running"?  ;-)

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"Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/19/2008 8:12 AM >>>



Impressive. But personally, I don't call "driving" anything that
requires a car such as this and also wearing helmet and gloves at all
times during the process. It is indeed very sporty but like every
sport it belongs to the sports arena.

Boris


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:18 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
  

  

Really needs sound for the most impact, but the video speaks for


itself.
  

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: My new book is here

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:05 AM, Dario Bonazza
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> The draft for the book has been updated:
> www.dariobonazza.com/public/imhr.jpg

Looks amazing, Dario.  Congrats!

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Re: PESO: Rocky

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ditto, gorgeous shot and great textures.

Yes!

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Re: PESO: Rocky

[Derby Chang]

David Savage wrote:

G'day All.

Browsing through my archives tonight & I came across this one that I
quite liked (~260kb):



K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/125 @ f4.5, ISO 100.

Used the gradient filter in LR 2 to pull down the sky

And in case anyone thinks it looks too saturated, that's really what
it looked like.

As always, comments more than welcome.

Cheers,

Dave


  


That's some sexy slime.

Terrific light, too

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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It might have helped if they made a few more of them and/or advertized  
them a little more broadly. They made less than 15,000 units and sold  
them, occasionally, through a couple of knowledgeable dealers only. No  
economies of scale and no marketing means high prices...


G

On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Adam Maas wrote:


... The RD-1 is so pricey because
Epson had to amortize the cost of the electronics over relatively few
units.

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:41 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

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I wish nikon would do such a thing. They could easily do it much
cheaper since they could base it on the electronics of a D40 or D60,
which have long ago paid for themselves. The RD-1 is so pricey because
Epson had to amortize the cost of the electronics over relatively few
units.

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:41 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know, I'd still like an RD-1.  It's just too expensive for what it is...
>
> Cotty wrote:
>>
>> On 19/11/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And, I'm sure, for a significantly cheaper price than a camera that
>>> will only appeal to a tiny fraction of the market for a regular DSLR.
>>>
>>> Less may or may not be more, but it's certainly going to cost more.
>>>
>>
>> John is right.
>>
>> Not a DSLR, but here is the proof...
>>
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

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On 19/11/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>or Epson R2D2 with adapters.


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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

You know, I'd still like an RD-1.  It's just too expensive for what  
it is...


And that's exactly the mindset that makes a basic, M42 mount DSLR an  
impossibility.


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Re: PESO: Rocky

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Ditto, gorgeous shot and great textures.

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:46 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice texture moving from rock, to sea, to sky.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:22 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> G'day All.
>>
>> Browsing through my archives tonight & I came across this one that I
>> quite liked (~260kb):
>>
>> 
>>
>> K20D, DA 21mm f3.2, 1/125 @ f4.5, ISO 100.
>>
>> Used the gradient filter in LR 2 to pull down the sky
>>
>> And in case anyone thinks it looks too saturated, that's really what
>> it looked like.
>>
>> As always, comments more than welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[P. J. Alling]

You know, I'd still like an RD-1.  It's just too expensive for what it is...

Cotty wrote:

On 19/11/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

  

And, I'm sure, for a significantly cheaper price than a camera that
will only appeal to a tiny fraction of the market for a regular DSLR.

Less may or may not be more, but it's certainly going to cost more.



John is right.

Not a DSLR, but here is the proof...



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Re: Old paper - to what use?

[P. J. Alling]

Of course developing them won't do much good after the rest of the paper 
is exposed to light, since it would be all black.


P. J. Alling wrote:
Ann you have to develop them too.  If you don't the silver crystals 
won't stabilize and the fixer will simply dissolve them.


ann sanfedele wrote:



John Sessoms wrote:


From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I made some abstract geometric images exposing photo paper to light 
with various configurations of covering it up with various 
objects... trouble is you then have to
photo that as it won't last  - or at least I couldn't figure a way 
to do it.



Put them in fix just like any other B&W print. 


Nope - that didn't work of course I tried that...
anyway, I may have a couple of them in dark storage somewhere... but  
fixing

just erased everything.

ann






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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[P. J. Alling]

Some have been asking for that for a long time.  We may yet see a 
digital Bessaflex from Cosina, but not in the current economic climate.


Scott Loveless wrote:

On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

 Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no screen,
no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture and shutter
speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a problem
using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the back ;-)



Retro-digital?

  



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Re: Old paper - to what use?

[P. J. Alling]

Ann you have to develop them too.  If you don't the silver crystals 
won't stabilize and the fixer will simply dissolve them.


ann sanfedele wrote:



John Sessoms wrote:


From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I made some abstract geometric images exposing photo paper to light 
with various configurations of covering it up with various 
objects... trouble is you then have to
photo that as it won't last  - or at least I couldn't figure a way 
to do it.



Put them in fix just like any other B&W print. 


Nope - that didn't work of course I tried that...
anyway, I may have a couple of them in dark storage somewhere... but  
fixing

just erased everything.

ann






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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Bob W]

If it ever happens I will join Cotty at the hat table. 

You could try an Olympus E series camera with adapters, of course. Look what
this was shot with:
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Donna.tif.html

Or you could wait for the Leica S2 to come out and hope that they also do an
M42 adapter. Or give up on dreams of an SLR and go for an RF camera - try a
Leica M8 or Epson R2D2 with adapters.

Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of JC OConnell
> Sent: 19 November 2008 16:40
> To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
> Subject: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
> 
> Man, I would die for a basic M42 DSLR at this point.
> All I would need on it was the M42 screw mount, basic stop 
> down metering
> a shutter speed dial , a built in flash, and the little
> pad to activate the auto aperture M42 lens pin at moment
> of exposure. No need for AE or AF(obviously). Even 6-10Mp
> APS would be better than the nothing we have at this point.
> 
> Anybody heard of any rumors of one yet? With the millions
> of great M42 lenses still out there in good working condition,
> it seems to me sooner or later somebody will step in
> and fill the need for this market. I know you can use M42
> lenses (with manual modes on the lens) on Pentax and Canon DSLRS with
> adapters but the
> lack of auto aperture makes them way to cumbersome, and
> you cant use auto-only M42 lenses, hence
> the need for a true M42 mount DSLR.
> 
> 
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Adam Maas]

I think you're grossly overestimating the demand for such a camera
when all of those lenses are easily usable with a cheap ($10-20)
adaptor on essentially all non-Nikon DSLR's. Especially since use of
those lenses with an adaptor, particularly on Canon and 4/3rds DSLR's
means you can also use lenses from other mounts, many of which have no
equivalent in M42 mount, particularly fast OM, Contax and Leica
lenses.

-Adam

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:09 PM, JC OConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think you are grossly underestimating the quantity of
> M42 lenses still in existance. They were sold in massive
> quantities in the 60's and 70's and were generally well
> made and simple. Hint: theyre still out there and alive and well.
> The pentax M42s in particular are of very high quality too.
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>
>
> And, I'm sure, for a significantly cheaper price than a camera that will
> only appeal to a tiny fraction of the market for a regular DSLR.
>
> Less may or may not be more, but it's certainly going to cost more.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 02:51:17PM -0500, PN Stenquist wrote:
>> But you can do that with a current DSLR. Just put it in manual focus
>> and
>> manual exposure modes and turn off the review. I sometimes work that
> way.
>>
>> I cut my photographic teeth 35 years ago with all manual equipment. Im
>> not particular nostalgic about those times, and I don't gush about old
>
>> manual equipment. But I do enjoy working that way once in a while. No
>
>> special camera needed. It's all there in any of the Pentax DSLRs.
>> Paul
>> On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:21 PM, drew wrote:
>>
>>> Scott Loveless wrote:
 On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no
> screen,
> no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture
> and shutter
> speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a
> problem
> using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the back
> ;-)
 Retro-digital?
>>>
>>> Yup, a Zenit 12XP or Spotmatic with a digital sensor instead of
>>> filmno chimping, no fiddling around with menus to find some
>>> obscure setting that in reality makes no difference to the end
> result,
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> skill
>>> of the user to make a picture... :-)
>>>
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Cotty]

On 19/11/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>And, I'm sure, for a significantly cheaper price than a camera that
>will only appeal to a tiny fraction of the market for a regular DSLR.
>
>Less may or may not be more, but it's certainly going to cost more.

John is right.

Not a DSLR, but here is the proof...



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RE: OT - foreign languages on CD

[Bob W]

You'll make better progress if you go to a class with a qualified teacher.
I've learned 5 foreign languages in my life to at least moderate levels of
fluency, and I'm also qualified to teach English as a foreign language.
Whenever I've tried to learn from a CD it's been a complete waste of time
and money, and I don't think I've met anyone who's been at all successful
using teach-yourself methods. Maybe RF Burton, but he was a genius.

Bob

> 
> A while back there was a thread about learning languages with CDs, but
> I can't find it.  Can anyone recommend a CD series?  There are a few
> and I'm really not sure which one to get.  Looking to pick up a little
> Italian.  Thanks!
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RE: PESO - The Matador Club

[Bob W]

> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:44 AM, David J Brooks 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I'v never heard it mentioned on the TV news, so probably not. Owners
> > must have something on the Mayor.:-)
> 
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> (and including) Nathan Phillips (who took office in 1955).
> 
> :-)
> 

it must be run by J Edgar Hoover.

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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[John Celio]

The closest you will ever get to an M42 dSLR is a K2000/Km with an m42
adaptor.

There is zero chance that any manufacturer would make a low-profit
camera to use no-profit used lenses that have been around for decades,
and which probably won't work well with a digital sensor anyway.  There
is such a tiny market for this that I can't see any reputable
manufacturer trying to fill it.

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Subject: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?
From: "JC OConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, November 19, 2008 9:39 am
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 

Man, I would die for a basic M42 DSLR at this point.
All I would need on it was the M42 screw mount, basic stop down metering
a shutter speed dial , a built in flash, and the little
pad to activate the auto aperture M42 lens pin at moment
of exposure. No need for AE or AF(obviously). Even 6-10Mp
APS would be better than the nothing we have at this point.

Anybody heard of any rumors of one yet? With the millions
of great M42 lenses still out there in good working condition,
it seems to me sooner or later somebody will step in
and fill the need for this market. I know you can use M42
lenses (with manual modes on the lens) on Pentax and Canon DSLRS with
adapters but the
lack of auto aperture makes them way to cumbersome, and
you cant use auto-only M42 lenses, hence
the need for a true M42 mount DSLR.


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RE: PESO - The Matador Club

[Bob W]

I used to go to a place like that when I was a student in Manchester. It was
called The Continental. It wasn't strictly 'public' - you were there by
invitation. To get in you knocked on the door and a trap opened at face
level. The bouncer grunted at you, and you said "I'm a medical student"
whether you were or not, at which point he opened the door and invited you
in. It was a peculiar place, but it was open after 2am, which was highly
unusual in those days (mid 70s).

Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of frank theriault
> Sent: 19 November 2008 15:44
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> Subject: PESO - The Matador Club
> 
> I have no idea how this place stays open.  It's Toronto's most
> infamous after-hours club.  Been around forever, only open two nights
> per week for a couple of hours.  Selling booze after hours is quite
> illegal, yet this place does it openly.  Okay, maybe not quite openly.
>  You pay the cover, walk in and some old lady sells mickeys of rye for
> about three times what you'd pay at the liquor store.  Then you go to
> "the bar" and buy your mixer.  Then you sit down and drink it.
> 
> Everyone knows it's there, everyone knows it's illegally selling
> liquor, yet they've never (to my knowledge) been raided or closed
> down.
> 
> If you've ever had an image of what an illegal boozecan might look
> like, this is likely it:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/torontos-infamous-b
> oozecan.html
> 
> cheers,
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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

I think you are grossly underestimating the quantity of
M42 lenses still in existance. They were sold in massive
quantities in the 60's and 70's and were generally well
made and simple. Hint: theyre still out there and alive and well.
The pentax M42s in particular are of very high quality too.

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And, I'm sure, for a significantly cheaper price than a camera that will
only appeal to a tiny fraction of the market for a regular DSLR.

Less may or may not be more, but it's certainly going to cost more.


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 02:51:17PM -0500, PN Stenquist wrote:
> But you can do that with a current DSLR. Just put it in manual focus 
> and
> manual exposure modes and turn off the review. I sometimes work that
way.
>
> I cut my photographic teeth 35 years ago with all manual equipment. Im
> not particular nostalgic about those times, and I don't gush about old

> manual equipment. But I do enjoy working that way once in a while. No

> special camera needed. It's all there in any of the Pentax DSLRs.
> Paul
> On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:21 PM, drew wrote:
>
>> Scott Loveless wrote:
>>> On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no
 screen,
 no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture  
 and shutter
 speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a  
 problem
 using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the back 
 ;-)
>>> Retro-digital?
>>
>> Yup, a Zenit 12XP or Spotmatic with a digital sensor instead of
>> filmno chimping, no fiddling around with menus to find some  
>> obscure setting that in reality makes no difference to the end
result, 
>> no modes to shoot pictures of protons colliding in a particle 
>> accelerator, no frown and facial recognition, nothing... just the
skill 
>> of the user to make a picture... :-)
>>
>> Drew.
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RE: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[JC OConnell]

I still prefer to use nearly all manual although I have had many
auto modes available to me for decades. I dont
like, want, or need AF or AE or Autoflash for what I do.
I would love a basic M42 DSLR because with most
M42 lenses the basics would be all that is possible.
I could probaby get by pretty damn well with just a
shutter speed dial and a hot shoe on a M42 dslr.
Dont forget you can always use the rear LCD as a meter
by taking a test shot.

The whole point of a M42 dslr of course is that it
would have the M42 flange and the auto-aperture
plate so that all M42 lenses could be used and auto
M42 lenses would be supported with the actuator plate
to press the lens pin during exposure. Without the auto aperture
function,
might as well use Pentax K/EOS bodies with M42 adapters
without any auto aperture (ouch, I hate that way of working,
thats why auto aperture was invented in the 1950's).

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But you can do that with a current DSLR. Just put it in manual focus  
and manual exposure modes and turn off the review. I sometimes work  
that way.

I cut my photographic teeth 35 years ago with all manual equipment. Im  
not particular nostalgic about those times, and I don't gush about old  
manual equipment. But I do enjoy working that way once in a while. No  
special camera needed. It's all there in any of the Pentax DSLRs. Paul
On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:21 PM, drew wrote:

> Scott Loveless wrote:
>> On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no
>>> screen,
>>> no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture  
>>> and shutter
>>> speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a  
>>> problem
>>> using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the  
>>> back ;-)
>> Retro-digital?
>
> Yup, a Zenit 12XP or Spotmatic with a digital sensor instead of  
> filmno chimping, no fiddling around with menus to find some  
> obscure setting that in reality makes no difference to the end  
> result, no modes to shoot pictures of protons colliding in a  
> particle accelerator, no frown and facial recognition, nothing...  
> just the skill of the user to make a picture... :-)
>
> Drew.
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[John Francis]

And, I'm sure, for a significantly cheaper price than a camera that
will only appeal to a tiny fraction of the market for a regular DSLR.

Less may or may not be more, but it's certainly going to cost more.


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 02:51:17PM -0500, PN Stenquist wrote:
> But you can do that with a current DSLR. Just put it in manual focus and 
> manual exposure modes and turn off the review. I sometimes work that way.
>
> I cut my photographic teeth 35 years ago with all manual equipment. Im  
> not particular nostalgic about those times, and I don't gush about old  
> manual equipment. But I do enjoy working that way once in a while. No  
> special camera needed. It's all there in any of the Pentax DSLRs.
> Paul
> On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:21 PM, drew wrote:
>
>> Scott Loveless wrote:
>>> On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no  
 screen,
 no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture  
 and shutter
 speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a  
 problem
 using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the back 
 ;-)
>>> Retro-digital?
>>
>> Yup, a Zenit 12XP or Spotmatic with a digital sensor instead of  
>> filmno chimping, no fiddling around with menus to find some  
>> obscure setting that in reality makes no difference to the end result, 
>> no modes to shoot pictures of protons colliding in a particle 
>> accelerator, no frown and facial recognition, nothing... just the skill 
>> of the user to make a picture... :-)
>>
>> Drew.
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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There will be no M42 DSLRs. Tough.

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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[PN Stenquist]

But you can do that with a current DSLR. Just put it in manual focus  
and manual exposure modes and turn off the review. I sometimes work  
that way.


I cut my photographic teeth 35 years ago with all manual equipment. Im  
not particular nostalgic about those times, and I don't gush about old  
manual equipment. But I do enjoy working that way once in a while. No  
special camera needed. It's all there in any of the Pentax DSLRs.

Paul
On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:21 PM, drew wrote:


Scott Loveless wrote:

On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no  
screen,
no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture  
and shutter
speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a  
problem
using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the  
back ;-)

Retro-digital?


Yup, a Zenit 12XP or Spotmatic with a digital sensor instead of  
filmno chimping, no fiddling around with menus to find some  
obscure setting that in reality makes no difference to the end  
result, no modes to shoot pictures of protons colliding in a  
particle accelerator, no frown and facial recognition, nothing...  
just the skill of the user to make a picture... :-)


Drew.

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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[drew]

Scott Loveless wrote:

On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no screen,
no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture and shutter
speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a problem
using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the back ;-)


Retro-digital?



Yup, a Zenit 12XP or Spotmatic with a digital sensor instead of 
filmno chimping, no fiddling around with menus to find some obscure 
setting that in reality makes no difference to the end result, no modes 
to shoot pictures of protons colliding in a particle accelerator, no 
frown and facial recognition, nothing... just the skill of the user to 
make a picture... :-)


Drew.

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Re: Old paper - to what use?

[ann sanfedele]

I early said - photograph them :-)

It would be the same thing...

Now I'm wondering wehre those old abstracts are and it makes me want to 
do more.

I don't ahve any old un exposed real photo paper left...


BTW they lasted a long time in dark storage...  I got bored with it 
after a while.


ann


PN Stenquist wrote:


Scan them immediately and reprint them on digital paper.
Paul
On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:25 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:




John Sessoms wrote:


From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I made some abstract geometric images exposing photo paper to  
light with various configurations of covering it up with various  
objects... trouble is you then have to
photo that as it won't last  - or at least I couldn't figure a way  
to do it.




Put them in fix just like any other B&W print.



Nope - that didn't work of course I tried that...
anyway, I may have a couple of them in dark storage somewhere...  
but  fixing

just erased everything.

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Re: Old paper - to what use?

[PN Stenquist]

Scan them immediately and reprint them on digital paper.
Paul
On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:25 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:




John Sessoms wrote:


From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I made some abstract geometric images exposing photo paper to  
light with various configurations of covering it up with various  
objects... trouble is you then have to
photo that as it won't last  - or at least I couldn't figure a way  
to do it.



Put them in fix just like any other B&W print.


Nope - that didn't work of course I tried that...
anyway, I may have a couple of them in dark storage somewhere...  
but  fixing

just erased everything.

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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[Scott Loveless]

On 11/19/08, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no screen,
> no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture and shutter
> speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never had a problem
> using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on the back ;-)

Retro-digital?

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Re: ANY M42 DSLR rumors (yet)?

[drew]

KMZ, the company that made/makes Zenits etc. muted a couple of basic 
DSLR's over the last few years, one was a modular camera that had a 
removable back assembly that could be swapped between film or digital, 
but this was believed to be an April fools joke. The other, the Zenit 
408 was allegedly a serious attempt at a 10mp basic digital SLR, but 
sadly that project also seems dead if they had made it, it was 
expected to be K mount rather than M42 as later Zenits were/are.


Shame really, I would love a simple match needle or LED DSLR... no 
screen, no "modes", just the basics. Set your film speed, W/B, aperture 
and shutter speed. Personally I wouldn't want a built in flash, I never 
had a problem using an accessory flash with the little look up chart on 
the back ;-)


Drew.



JC OConnell wrote:

Man, I would die for a basic M42 DSLR at this point.
All I would need on it was the M42 screw mount, basic stop down metering
a shutter speed dial , a built in flash, and the little
pad to activate the auto aperture M42 lens pin at moment
of exposure. No need for AE or AF(obviously). Even 6-10Mp
APS would be better than the nothing we have at this point.

Anybody heard of any rumors of one yet? With the millions
of great M42 lenses still out there in good working condition,
it seems to me sooner or later somebody will step in
and fill the need for this market. I know you can use M42
lenses (with manual modes on the lens) on Pentax and Canon DSLRS with
adapters but the
lack of auto aperture makes them way to cumbersome, and
you cant use auto-only M42 lenses, hence
the need for a true M42 mount DSLR.


JC O'Connell
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Re: Old paper - to what use?

[ann sanfedele]

John Sessoms wrote:


From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I made some abstract geometric images exposing photo paper to light 
with various configurations of covering it up with various objects... 
trouble is you then have to
photo that as it won't last  - or at least I couldn't figure a way to 
do it.



Put them in fix just like any other B&W print. 


Nope - that didn't work of course I tried that...
anyway, I may have a couple of them in dark storage somewhere... but  fixing
just erased everything.

ann






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Re: OT PESOs: Global Warming

[ann sanfedele]

Derby -
nice photo journalism!  


and PESOS are never  Off topic... :-)

ann

Derby Chang wrote:



Two PESOs from a global warming rally this afternoon in Hyde Park

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_11/08_11_bear/01.htm

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08/08_11/08_11_globe/01.htm

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Re: PESO - The Matador Club

[Jack Davis]

Sounds like you're very familiar with the system, Frank. ;)

Jack


--- On Wed, 11/19/08, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO - The Matador Club
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:43 AM
> I have no idea how this place stays open.  It's
> Toronto's most
> infamous after-hours club.  Been around forever, only open
> two nights
> per week for a couple of hours.  Selling booze after hours
> is quite
> illegal, yet this place does it openly.  Okay, maybe not
> quite openly.
>  You pay the cover, walk in and some old lady sells mickeys
> of rye for
> about three times what you'd pay at the liquor store. 
> Then you go to
> "the bar" and buy your mixer.  Then you sit down
> and drink it.
> 
> Everyone knows it's there, everyone knows it's
> illegally selling
> liquor, yet they've never (to my knowledge) been raided
> or closed
> down.
> 
> If you've ever had an image of what an illegal boozecan
> might look
> like, this is likely it:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/torontos-infamous-boozecan.html
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: So you think you can drive? (Sorry...)

[John Francis]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 05:40:49PM +, Cotty wrote:
> On 19/11/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Adjust the brake balance to mostly the front wheels, put your foot lightly
> >on the brake pedal, and you've got a rear-wheel drive car.
> 
> Agreed, but he must be adjusting balance on the fly.

That's a given in a competitive high-performance vehicle;
there's going to be a brake balance adjuster in the cockpit.

For a rally car (which is what this is, effectively) you
need a very different brake balance on tarmac than you do
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RE: PESO: State Wildlife Area

[Jack Davis]

Thank you, John. Both for your kind comment and the wildlife refuge info. 
Sounds like a prime birder's spot.

Jack


--- On Wed, 11/19/08, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: PESO: State Wildlife Area
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 8:40 AM
> From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > We are surrounded with wildlife preserves and
> "Gray Lodge State
> > Wildlife Area", where state permits may be issued
> allowing duck,
> > goose and pheasant hunting and where I went earlier
> this AM. In all
> > the years I've been stalking "wildlife"
> in Gray Lodge, I've never
> > seen so many Snow Geese both on the water and in the
> air. I've
> > included a couple of goose flock shots and one (into
> the sun) of a
> > small group of Turkey Vulture
> 
> If you're on the East coast in winter, check out Pea
> Island National Wildlife Refuge on North Carolina's
> outer banks. It's one of the east coast wintering over
> spots for snow geese.
> 
> "Truly a ''birder's paradise,'' it
> is a haven for more than 265 species of birds such as Canada
> and snow geese, more than 25 species of duck, tundra swan,
> heron, egret, tern, and many other birds that pass through
> during fall and spring migrations."
> 
> 
> Another location nearby is Lake Mattamuskeet which makes up
> most of Mattamuskeet National Wildlife Refuge - "Tundra
> Swans, Canada and Snow Geese, pintails, black ducks, and
> mallards"
> 
> There's a lot more to photograph in North Carolina than
> just Grandfather Mountain.
> 
> > Comments certainly welcome.
> > 
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=348
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=349
> >
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=350
> 
> I especially like the first one. Very nice light.
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Re: So you think you can drive? (Sorry...)

[Cotty]

On 19/11/08, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Adjust the brake balance to mostly the front wheels, put your foot lightly
>on the brake pedal, and you've got a rear-wheel drive car.

Agreed, but he must be adjusting balance on the fly.

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Re: PESO: Dodge Challenger Race Package

[Cotty]

On 19/11/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8226674&size=lg
>
>It's gone!

They said it was a fast car

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Re: So you think you can drive? (Sorry...)

[P. J. Alling]

Mark Roberts wrote:

PN Stenquist wrote:
I hadn't seen it. Thanks for posting. His tire bill must be steep. 
It's interesting that, for the most part, he's able to keep it out of 
the rev limiter. An amazing demonstration. Some nice editing of the 
video as well.


I'm curious as to how he controls the spins so well. I'd expect that 
to be a real problem with an all-wheel-drive car.


 





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You need as little automation as possible, if your're fighting the cars 
computer things become "unpredictable", kind of like matrix metering...


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Re: PESO - The Matador Club

[P. J. Alling]

I guess everyone needs a place to take the "Little Italian" when they 
haven't quite closed the deal...




frank theriault wrote:

I have no idea how this place stays open.  It's Toronto's most
infamous after-hours club.  Been around forever, only open two nights
per week for a couple of hours.  Selling booze after hours is quite
illegal, yet this place does it openly.  Okay, maybe not quite openly.
 You pay the cover, walk in and some old lady sells mickeys of rye for
about three times what you'd pay at the liquor store.  Then you go to
"the bar" and buy your mixer.  Then you sit down and drink it.

Everyone knows it's there, everyone knows it's illegally selling
liquor, yet they've never (to my knowledge) been raided or closed
down.

If you've ever had an image of what an illegal boozecan might look
like, this is likely it:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/11/torontos-infamous-boozecan.html

cheers,
frank

  



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Re: So you think you can drive? (Sorry...)

[John Francis]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:36:18AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> PN Stenquist wrote:
>> I hadn't seen it. Thanks for posting. His tire bill must be steep. It's 
>> interesting that, for the most part, he's able to keep it out of the 
>> rev limiter. An amazing demonstration. Some nice editing of the video 
>> as well.
>
> I'm curious as to how he controls the spins so well. I'd expect that to  
> be a real problem with an all-wheel-drive car.

Adjust the brake balance to mostly the front wheels, put your foot lightly
on the brake pedal, and you've got a rear-wheel drive car.

 
 
  
 
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Re: OT - foreign languages on CD

[P. J. Alling]

That kind of depends on your definition of English...

David J Brooks wrote:

The speak english in California you know Scott.:-)

Dave

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

A while back there was a thread about learning languages with CDs, but
I can't find it.  Can anyone recommend a CD series?  There are a few
and I'm really not sure which one to get.  Looking to pick up a little
Italian.  Thanks!

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Re: OT - foreign languages on CD

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Scott Loveless wrote:

A while back there was a thread about learning languages with CDs, but
I can't find it.  Can anyone recommend a CD series?  There are a few
and I'm really not sure which one to get.  Looking to pick up a little
Italian.  Thanks!

  



Looking to pick up a littleItalian.


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Re: PESO: Dodge Challenger Race Package

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:53 PM, PN Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I shot this car for Dodge PR and Mopar Action magazine about a month ago.
> The embargo has been lifted now, so I can show a pic. Another frame from the
> shoot is going on the cover, so I'll hold off on showing that.
>
> The car itself is quite remarkable. It's a basically stock Dodge Challenger
> with a different third member and a slightly modified 6.1 liter version of
> their hemi engine. You can buy it from the factory on special order. It's
> engineered for drag racine. i photographed it during prototype testing, so I
> couldn't choose the time of day for best light. This shot was in early
> afternoon. Performance? The car ran 10.01 at 132 mph in a quarter mile.
> That's faster than any exotic you can buy today. Not bad for a basically
> off-the-shelf piece of Detroit iron.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8226674&size=lg

It's gone!

cheers,
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