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thanks, Tim!  I'm off to bed.  Long day.  Cheers, Christine


On Jan 21, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

> I love portraiture.  That's great. -T
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Christine Aguila
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>> Our beloved colleague, Tom, theater professor extraordinaire!!!  Cheers, 
>> Christine
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

Funny thing about ugly cameras.  Had to go downtown today.  I totally spaced 
and got off at Chicago Ave, 1 stop sooner than I should have--should have 
gotten off at Merchandise Mart.  So, it was a bit of a hike, along Franklin 
Ave, especially in the snow we've had all day, and I had to walk straight into 
the wind. While trekking through the snow, I got to thinking about lenses.  I 
shot with the DA 16-45mm on the k-5 the other day, and I got the feeling it 
wasn't focusing right on the k-5.  Then I got to thinking that I really need a 
weather resistant wide angle zoom, which the DA 16-45mm isn't.  But I'm a bit 
out of luck there because I can't stand the way the 16-50mm DA* ejaculates ; 
it's so vulgar, though I do recognize it takes nice pictures.  It's so 
different than the DA* 50-135mm, which maintains its lovely shape as you zoom 
in and out.  Then I thought about all my lovely Pentax primes, DA 21mm, and the 
DA 40mm, so elegant, so lady-like.  Love'em to bits, but they are not weather 
resistant, which is a bummer, because the last thing a woman wants to do is get 
all dressed up and head out into the snow.  Cheers, Christine

On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Christine Aguila  
> wrote:
>> Well, I think that's a butt ugly camera.  Cheers, Christine :-)
> 
> Naw.
> Now THIS is a butt ugly camera:
> http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/omega120/omega120.htm
> 
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> http://theclick.us/2012/01/butt-ugly-cameras/
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Re: PAW--Week 3--Tom

2012-01-20 Thread Tim Bray

I love portraiture.  That's great. -T

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PAW--Week 3--Tom

Our beloved colleague, Tom, theater professor extraordinaire!!!  Cheers, 
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Re: OT: Nik Silver Efex Pro film types conversions

Wow!  Great call, John.  Can't imagine what that is.  Very weird.  A gremlin of 
some sort to be sure!  What's even more amazing I didn't catch it!  Gosh!  
Makes me wonder what else do I miss throughout the day that's right in front of 
my nose!  Ugh.  Thanks for the heads up.  Cheers, Christine




On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Christine Aguila
> 
>> Hi Everyone:  The link below provides one example of the 18 different
>> *film types filters* in the Nik Silver Efex Pro 2 software.  The name
>> of the film type is below the frame.  These are straight filter
>> conversions with no tweaking at all.  The first shot is the original
>> frame rendered in Lightroom.  My knowledge base for film types is
>> very, very weak.  I don't remember what I normally  used back in the
>> film days.  I'd be interested in knowing if you think these examples
>> do a good job of featuring the corresponding film types.  If
>> something looks off, I'd be interested in knowing.  Cheers,
>> Christine
>> 
>> http://www.caguila.com/nikfilmtypes
>> 
>> 
>> P.S. This frame is from a group of shots I took of a theater
>> rehearsal of the play, The Odd Couple.
> 
> 
> Might want to take another look at the "Ilford Delta 400 Pro". There's some 
> sort of artifact there.
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Re: PAW106 - Stop

I can't remember if I commented on this; I'm so behind!  But this is great!  
Love it!  Cheers, Christine


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> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
> K-5, DA70mm, 1/250s, f/11, ISO100.
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Re: PESO - Red Rocket

HAR!  I didn't notice the typo--well, typos.  terrific! is what I meant.  
Cheers, Chrsitine



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> I'm hoping that's Chicago-talk for a nice thing, because I'm thanking you.
> 
> :-)
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Christine Aguila 
> Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
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> Subject: Re: PESO - Red Rocket
> 
> That is tariff ice, Frank!  Cheers, Christine 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:01 PM, "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Dave! And thanks to everyone who looked and commented. It's nice 
>> when one turns out as hoped.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>> cheers,
>> frank
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
>> 
>> From: David J Brooks 
>> Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: Re: PESO - Red Rocket
>> 
>> Great shot. Good colours and excellent motion to this one.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, frank theriault
>>  wrote:
>>> Red Rocket is what we call our streetcars.  I think the name started
>>> off as being somewhat derisive, but it stuck and is now used with
>>> great affection.  Here's one under the Queen/Dufferin underpass:
>>> 
>>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/red-rocket.html
>>> 
>>> I hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>>> 
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>>> frank
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Re: PESO - to the altar, girl!

Congrats to the happy couple!  Nice one, Pete!  Cheers, Christine


On Jan 16, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Pete McIntosh wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> A rare PESO from me, but couldn't resist...
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/image/140952884
> 
> My son and his partner were married on Friday last, at a very informal 
> ceremony at their newly-purchased house. To say they were excited is simply 
> understatement - hope that comes across in the photo.
> 
> Comments most welcome.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: PESO: Blowing Bobbles

Pretty, Jack!  Cheers, Christine


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> Young Egret this AM at the reserve.
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>  
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=626
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> K-5, DA 55~300(300mm), f/8 1/8000, ISO 800
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Re: PESO: The Stone

Hey, big congrats, Dave!  That's excellent!  Best Wishes for you both.  Cheers, 
Christine


On Jan 17, 2012, at 2:11 AM, David Mann wrote:

> Time for some good news from me, for once.
> 
> We got engaged on new years day :)  We went ring shopping together a couple 
> of days later and it's finally just come back from being resized to fit her 
> finger.
> 
> http://www.multi.net.nz/rock/
> 
> We've been together for probably almost 15 years by now so it's about time we 
> made it official.
> 
> The wedding date has been set for early March and planning is steaming ahead 
> at a rapid pace.  I wanted to avoid winter and her grandparents are getting a 
> bit frail so we thought it'd be better to have the big day sooner rather than 
> later.  Plus it keeps the pressure on to get everything organised without 
> stressing out about too many small details.
> 
> We timed it well as the jewellers all had big sales on which meant she got a 
> bigger stone.  The travel agent also had a sale so we've saved on the 
> honeymoon which we booked today.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Re: PESO: Winter Grey and Red

Red, red, red!  Actually, I have a lipstick I wear that's called Red, Red, Red! 
 No josh. I think we even had a pug theme Red, didn't we.  kinda around the 
time I joined the list.  Not sure about the exact time.  I like a splash of red 
in a photograph!  Is that a convention center or something, Tim?  Cheers, 
Christine

On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

> Consider this a tribute to, and visual echo of, Christine’s recent Red
> Snowplow: http://goo.gl/hV3FV
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> -T
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Re: PESO - The Fedora on Queen West

boy, Frank, you're really on a roll here.  That's excellent!  cheers, Christine


On Jan 16, 2012, at 9:20 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> A new installment on Real Canadians Wearing Real Hats.  Scroll down to
> see today's photo:
> 
> http://realcanadianhats.blogspot.com/2012/01/blog-post.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy as much as I did shooting.  Comments welcome.
> 
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Re: PESO - Red Rocket

I'm hoping that's Chicago-talk for a nice thing, because I'm thanking you.

:-)

cheers,
frank

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Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
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Subject: Re: PESO - Red Rocket

That is tariff ice, Frank!  Cheers, Christine 



On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:01 PM, "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
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> Thanks, Dave! And thanks to everyone who looked and commented. It's nice when 
> one turns out as hoped.
> 
> :-)
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> --- Original Message ---
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> From: David J Brooks 
> Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Red Rocket
> 
> Great shot. Good colours and excellent motion to this one.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, frank theriault
>  wrote:
>> Red Rocket is what we call our streetcars.  I think the name started
>> off as being somewhat derisive, but it stuck and is now used with
>> great affection.  Here's one under the Queen/Dufferin underpass:
>> 
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/red-rocket.html
>> 
>> I hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> frank
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Re: PEso - Symmetry

2012-01-20 Thread Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From Droid)

That's cute, Ann!  Cheers, Christine


On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> 
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Works-In-Progress/More-Critters/15842756_C2Dvws/1/1676309644_4xGRtnc/Large
> 
> I was browsing some files to find one for the next month's PUG and looking 
> for some items for ebay and came across these guys
> 
> "comment as you see fit" as one of our local newsguys is fond of saying
> 
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

Also, why a new 40/2.8 when the da40 is so awesome unless it's a new mount?

Bipin Gupta  wrote:

>Hello John, surely you have lenses (6) inches or smaller, being a
>seasoned Pentaxian. Why can't you go in to this event with the K-5
>Body and lens(es) in separate bags. I have done this many times - body
>in my coat pocket and lens(es) in a carry on bag. Surely the K-5 is a
>mighty midget compared to many other cameras. Give it a try old chap.
>Regards. Bipin.
>
>As for the Pentax EVIL rumour, why would one buy a K-5 like speced
>camera when the K-5 is pretty small itself. See no fun in using an
>electronic viewfinder, if it has one. Lenses and compatibility w/o an
>AF adapter still remains a big mystery, even though the rumour says
>K-mount.
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New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Bipin Gupta

Hello John, surely you have lenses (6) inches or smaller, being a
seasoned Pentaxian. Why can't you go in to this event with the K-5
Body and lens(es) in separate bags. I have done this many times - body
in my coat pocket and lens(es) in a carry on bag. Surely the K-5 is a
mighty midget compared to many other cameras. Give it a try old chap.
Regards. Bipin.

As for the Pentax EVIL rumour, why would one buy a K-5 like speced
camera when the K-5 is pretty small itself. See no fun in using an
electronic viewfinder, if it has one. Lenses and compatibility w/o an
AF adapter still remains a big mystery, even though the rumour says
K-mount.

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Re: Just ordered a K-r

I was kind of curious, too.

;-)

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Red Rocket

That is tariff ice, Frank!  Cheers, Christine 



On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:01 PM, "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
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> Thanks, Dave! And thanks to everyone who looked and commented. It's nice when 
> one turns out as hoped.
> 
> :-)
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> --- Original Message ---
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> From: David J Brooks 
> Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
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> Subject: Re: PESO - Red Rocket
> 
> Great shot. Good colours and excellent motion to this one.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, frank theriault
>  wrote:
>> Red Rocket is what we call our streetcars.  I think the name started
>> off as being somewhat derisive, but it stuck and is now used with
>> great affection.  Here's one under the Queen/Dufferin underpass:
>> 
>> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/red-rocket.html
>> 
>> I hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> frank
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Re: PESO - Red Rocket

Thanks, Dave! And thanks to everyone who looked and commented. It's nice when 
one turns out as hoped.

:-)

cheers,
frank

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From: David J Brooks 
Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
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Subject: Re: PESO - Red Rocket

Great shot. Good colours and excellent motion to this one.

Dave

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, frank theriault
 wrote:
> Red Rocket is what we call our streetcars.  I think the name started
> off as being somewhat derisive, but it stuck and is now used with
> great affection.  Here's one under the Queen/Dufferin underpass:
>
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/red-rocket.html
>
> I hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Igor Roshchin

Fri Jan 20 19:19:04 EST 2012
Bob W wrote:

> > From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On
> > Behalf Of
> > Igor Roshchin
> 
> > I suspect Paul knows this, but in case other people don't...
> > 
> > A few years ago, a physicist Charles Falco in collaboration
> > with David Hockney (artist and art historian), has demonstrated
> > that a lot of renaissance artists were using lenses and mirrors
> > to project images - so that they can paint some elements of the
> > picture over the projected image. This is called "Hockney-Falco"
> > thesis.
> > 
> > You can read more about this here:
> > http://www.optics.arizona.edu/ssd/art-optics/index.html
> > 
> > I heard several talks/lectures of Charlie, and even had a chance of
> > hosting one of them at Texas A&M University.
> > While some art historians might disagree (they think that
> > Falco-Hockney
> > are trying to take down the importance of the particular classical
> > artists, which is not the case), as a scientist, I am very much
> > convinced by the arguments made by these guys.
> 
> I have a very good book called Vermeer's Camera in which the author puts
> forward his argument for the idea that Vermeer used a camera obscura. There
> is a web page to accompany it: http://www.vermeerscamera.co.uk/home.htm
> 
> There are contemporary pictures that show draughtmen using various
> optical devices as drawing aids since at least the Renaissance.
> 
> 

Bob, yes, that book is also talking about the same idea.
Falco in his online essay (see the link above), references Steadman's
book a few times. 
While I am not an expert on the history of the topic, it looks like
Steadman's book came out in 2001, which is after the first publication
by Falco-Hockney in 2000.

Actually, the argument used by Falco to prove his point is based on
something that is close to what we are dealing in the photography:
properties of optics, e.g. why an image (e.g. portrait) taken with a 
100 mm lens is not the same as that taken with a 31 mm lens at a closer 
distance (hence resulting in overall the same size of the image).
It is the difference in the perspective and where the vanishing point is.

Many artists, actually were using either a lens or a mirror to do
the projection, moving it to better project different portions of
the image, - hence - multiple vanishing points in the paintings.

Note, that besides "camera obscura", there "camera lucida" has also
been used by artists as a tool for drawing.
(see, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_lucida )

There is a curious fact: Falco attributes some of his initial intuition
in recognizing the optics-aided paintings to his experience in
photography (in the middle of the page:
http://www.optics.arizona.edu/SSD/art-optics/personal.html

Cheers,

Igor

Cheers,

Igor

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RE: So wrong, also ?

His paintings are a hell of a lot sharper than my photographs.

;-)

I suppose that his technique (or at least the result) is interesting, but the 
subject matter is rather banal. It looks like that's the way he wants it, and 
he's entitled.to that. If some find that the technique or style overwhelms 
content to the point that the mundane has value then they're entitled to that, 
too.

I actually like hyper-real painting but for me it works much better if the 
subject matter holds my interest. This gentleman's work (from what I've seen) 
doesn't.

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Ann Sanfedele 
Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
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Subject: So wrong, also ?

So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/

I found it hard to believe. so what is going on here?  I think
this guy used a projector to project a photo he took (the first
one I might find slightly interesting as a photo in a piece about
glass , the others, not at all) onto canvas and then added acryllic.
In the way illustartors used to do to pump out stuff for books quickly.


I cynically wrote the poster that I thought they were fake totally
(photoshop) but apparently they are really large "paintings" .

Anyone know more about Mills?

"Look what I can do" (or look what can be done) art kinda always annoys 
me - unless it is just for fun.

This stuff seems just, well, shallow

What say you guys?

ann

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Doug Franklin


On 2012-01-20 22:29, David Parsons wrote:

Heh, that's why I respond to any rumor with:  I'll believe it when I see it.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Doug Franklin  wrote:

If nothing else, a couple of years of mandatory military service would teach
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting "knarftheria...@gmail.com" :

I've been on this list for about 11 or 12 years now and I've seen  
variations of this thread more times than I can count. They all  
start with a rumour. Then we wail and gnash our teeth:




You say that as if it's a bad thing

Where would this list be if we weren't able to tell Pentax why their  
new product is a pile of doggy doo before anyone has seen one?




Cheers

Brian

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"Pentax is abandoning the enthusiast market!"

"I'll have to sell or get rid of my valueless Pentax gear and buy  
[insert brand here]."


"How will Pentax survive without a dslr (or on the old days, an  
slr)? Whatever we do?"


Girls and boys, this is only a rumour. It's a rumour about something  
they may produce, not about what they're going to discontinue.


I can't imagine that Pentax is not going to continue to build a  
flagship dslr, especially with the accolades that the K5 has garnered.
I just can't imagine that whatever else they make they will not have  
a top-quality dslr. Even if they don't make so much (or any) money  
on it, they need it to anchor the line.


Please remember that we're moaning about an ~unsubstantiated~  
rumour. Nothing more.


Steady on, mates...

;-)

Cheers,
frank




--- Original Message ---

From: John Sessoms 
Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

The "specs" look like it's going to be one of those hold it out at arms
length & squint at the little TV screen on the back cameras.


From: David Parsons


If there is no mirror, it's pretty hard to have an optical viewfinder.
 Unless you are talking about it being a rangefinder (which I don't
see Pentax doing), without a mirror, it's going to be an EVF.

I doubt that Pentax has anything to do with these rumors.  People love
to speculate.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Steven Desjardins  
 wrote:

No one seems to know if it has a built in EVF, aside from the LCD.
From what I've seem with other companies, not mentioning the EVF means
that it's not built in and is only an add-on if it exists at all.
OTOH, who knows the nature of this rumor? ?I always wonder if the
company floats these rumors to gauge reaction and then tweaks the
final designs.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:58 PM, John Sessoms  
 wrote:

From: Bong Manayon

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Steven Desjardins 
wrote:

Supposedly K mount and a K-5 quality sensor:


http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/

More...


http://m.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-revealed-in-february--1056080



"without a mirror and optical viewfinder."

I can live without the mirror, but without a viewfinder it's no use to me.





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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Darren Addy

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Well, I think that's a butt ugly camera.  Cheers, Christine :-)

Naw.
Now THIS is a butt ugly camera:
http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/pp/omega120/omega120.htm

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http://theclick.us/2012/01/butt-ugly-cameras/

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread David Parsons

Heh, that's why I respond to any rumor with:  I'll believe it when I see it.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Doug Franklin  wrote:
> On 2012-01-20 22:22, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I've been on this list for about 11 or 12 years now and I've seen
>> variations of this thread more times than I can count. They all start with a
>> rumour. Then we wail and gnash our teeth:
>
>
> If nothing else, a couple of years of mandatory military service would teach
> (at least some) people how to deal with a rumor mill. ;-)
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Doug Franklin


On 2012-01-20 22:22, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been on this list for about 11 or 12 years now and I've seen variations of 
this thread more times than I can count. They all start with a rumour. Then we 
wail and gnash our teeth:


If nothing else, a couple of years of mandatory military service would 
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

I've been on this list for about 11 or 12 years now and I've seen variations of 
this thread more times than I can count. They all start with a rumour. Then we 
wail and gnash our teeth:

"Pentax is abandoning the enthusiast market!"

"I'll have to sell or get rid of my valueless Pentax gear and buy [insert brand 
here]."

"How will Pentax survive without a dslr (or on the old days, an slr)? Whatever 
we do?"

Girls and boys, this is only a rumour. It's a rumour about something they may 
produce, not about what they're going to discontinue. 

I can't imagine that Pentax is not going to continue to build a flagship dslr, 
especially with the accolades that the K5 has garnered. 
I just can't imagine that whatever else they make they will not have a 
top-quality dslr. Even if they don't make so much (or any) money on it, they 
need it to anchor the line.

Please remember that we're moaning about an ~unsubstantiated~ rumour. Nothing 
more.

Steady on, mates...

;-)

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: John Sessoms 
Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

The "specs" look like it's going to be one of those hold it out at arms 
length & squint at the little TV screen on the back cameras.

From: David Parsons

> If there is no mirror, it's pretty hard to have an optical viewfinder.
>  Unless you are talking about it being a rangefinder (which I don't
> see Pentax doing), without a mirror, it's going to be an EVF.
>
> I doubt that Pentax has anything to do with these rumors.  People love
> to speculate.
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> No one seems to know if it has a built in EVF, aside from the LCD.
>> From what I've seem with other companies, not mentioning the EVF means
>> that it's not built in and is only an add-on if it exists at all.
>> OTOH, who knows the nature of this rumor? ?I always wonder if the
>> company floats these rumors to gauge reaction and then tweaks the
>> final designs.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:58 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>> From: Bong Manayon
 On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Steven Desjardins 
 wrote:
> Supposedly K mount and a K-5 quality sensor:
>
>
> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/
 More...

 http://m.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-revealed-in-february--1056080
>>>
>>>
>>> "without a mirror and optical viewfinder."
>>>
>>> I can live without the mirror, but without a viewfinder it's no use to me.

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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson


From: Darren Addy


Somehow missed this thread, but just read the interview.


Haven't seen it in the digests prior to your reply.

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

The "specs" look like it's going to be one of those hold it out at arms 
length & squint at the little TV screen on the back cameras.



From: David Parsons


If there is no mirror, it's pretty hard to have an optical viewfinder.
 Unless you are talking about it being a rangefinder (which I don't
see Pentax doing), without a mirror, it's going to be an EVF.

I doubt that Pentax has anything to do with these rumors.  People love
to speculate.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:

No one seems to know if it has a built in EVF, aside from the LCD.
From what I've seem with other companies, not mentioning the EVF means
that it's not built in and is only an add-on if it exists at all.
OTOH, who knows the nature of this rumor? ?I always wonder if the
company floats these rumors to gauge reaction and then tweaks the
final designs.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:58 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

From: Bong Manayon

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Steven Desjardins 
wrote:

Supposedly K mount and a K-5 quality sensor:


http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/

More...


http://m.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-revealed-in-february--1056080



"without a mirror and optical viewfinder."

I can live without the mirror, but without a viewfinder it's no use to me.


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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs


From: Steven Desjardins


It makes some sense if the new EVIL body is a smaller, lighter body
with K5 innards and this is accompanied by the release of a new DSLR.
The "new line" has a lower end model which is mirrorless and the
higher spec model which is a DSLR.  Effectively, this new mirrorless
model is replacing the K-r and the something else is replacing the K5.


I hope you're right.

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs


From: Paul Stenquist


On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Tom C wrote:


Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?

The K5 being discontinued?


If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and go 
to Nikon.

Paul


I'll have to keep shooting the K20D for as long as I can. My Pentax gear 
wouldn't bring in enough to be able to buy Nikon.


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Freebie Friday: 6 gigs DDR-3 Memory

2012-01-20 Thread Mark C

I have 3 sticks of 2 gigabyte memory which was displaced when I upgraded 
my PC's ram last weekend.


They are labelled Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/2G - 6 gigs total of matched 
RAM. Matched as in bought together - same production run etc. 9 chips on 
each stick.


They work fine.  It does not look like they are worth eBaying and I 
don't need them. If anyone wants to cover the $5 for a USPS flat rate 
box, I'll send them off to you. Please reply off list to 
cass...@markcassino.com


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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

Well, I think that's a butt ugly camera.  Cheers, Christine :-)



On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:

> You have to do better than that, Christine.  To which depressing thing
> are you referring?  ;-)
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Christine Aguila  
> wrote:
>> Well that's depressing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Let's hope for this one:
>>> 
>>> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/i-hope-marc-newson-can-make-a-better-pentax-k-design-than-that-one/
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Christine Aguila  
>>> wrote:
 I guess I agree with Paul, but I have to say it would break my heart to 
 see the K5 to go away with no upgrade to follow.  I'd probably use my 
 Pentax gear until I couldn't any more, then switch.   Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  
 wrote:
 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
>> Tom C wrote:
>> 
>>> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
>>> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>> 
>> The K5 being discontinued?
> 
> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear 
> and go to Nikon.
> 
> Paul
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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread Bruce Walker

A few lines from one of my fave movies, Burn After Reading, come to
mind here ...

CIA Superior: What did we learn, Palmer?
CIA Officer: I don't know, sir.
CIA Superior: I don't fuckin' know either. I guess we learned not to do it again


On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Good to hear, but there's nothing like a good despair to clear the nasal 
> passages:-).  Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
>> Interesting. I like what he said about long, fast glass for the APS-C 
>> cameras. And based on that interview,  it certainly doesn't sound like DSLRs 
>> are going away.
>> Paul
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>> I missed it too the first time around, thanks for the heads up.  I had to 
>>> search for the link. If anyone else missed it
>>>
>>> http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/01/12/imaging-resource-interviewjohn-carlson-pentax
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>>
 Somehow missed this thread, but just read the interview.

>>>
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Good to hear, but there's nothing like a good despair to clear the nasal 
passages:-).  Cheers, Christine 



On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Interesting. I like what he said about long, fast glass for the APS-C 
> cameras. And based on that interview,  it certainly doesn't sound like DSLRs 
> are going away.
> Paul
> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> I missed it too the first time around, thanks for the heads up.  I had to 
>> search for the link. If anyone else missed it
>> 
>> http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/01/12/imaging-resource-interviewjohn-carlson-pentax
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>> 
>>> Somehow missed this thread, but just read the interview.
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

You have to do better than that, Christine.  To which depressing thing
are you referring?  ;-)

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Well that's depressing.
>
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
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>> Let's hope for this one:
>>
>> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/i-hope-marc-newson-can-make-a-better-pentax-k-design-than-that-one/
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Christine Aguila  
>> wrote:
>>> I guess I agree with Paul, but I have to say it would break my heart to see 
>>> the K5 to go away with no upgrade to follow.  I'd probably use my Pentax 
>>> gear until I couldn't any more, then switch.   Cheers, Christine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>>> wrote:
>>>

 On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Tom C wrote:
>
>> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
>> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>
> The K5 being discontinued?

 If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear 
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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

Thanks.  I missed it too.  Cheers , Christine



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> search for the link. If anyone else missed it
> 
> http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/01/12/imaging-resource-interviewjohn-carlson-pentax
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Re: Just ordered a K-r


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> just a short one to let you know that I'm still alive. 
> 
> I have just ordered a K-r. Not for myself but for MIchael who had been
> using my K10D since I got the K-7. 

Very cool.  The K-r is really a sweet little camera.

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Just ordered a K-r

2012-01-20 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher

Hi all,

just a short one to let you know that I'm still alive. 

I have just ordered a K-r. Not for myself but for MIchael who had been
using my K10D since I got the K-7. Unfortunately the K10D has developed
an electronics problem and after the OK button stopped working months
ago (Pentax quoted a repair price of well over 300 euros), today it's
been the turn of the 4-way ring around it. No more changing of exposure
modes, sensitivity etc.

We shortly considered buying another K10D from ebay but at the current
rate of 200+ euros - and the risk of having an out-of-warranty camera
that might fail within a short time as well - I eventually suggested
we'd better get him a new K-r and have some peace of mind for the next
two years. 

He had been interested in something capable of doing video as well so it
didn't take much to get him to agree on spending a little more than
initially intended. 

And he'll certainly enjoy the faster focus. He usually does
"drive-by-shootings" of street signs when we're travelling. He actually
has thousands of photos of street signs. Strange subject, you say? Well,
he's one of those geeks inputting tracks and street names into the Open
Street Maps project. :-)

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

Well that's depressing.  



On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:

> Let's hope for this one:
> 
> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/i-hope-marc-newson-can-make-a-better-pentax-k-design-than-that-one/
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Christine Aguila  
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>> I guess I agree with Paul, but I have to say it would break my heart to see 
>> the K5 to go away with no upgrade to follow.  I'd probably use my Pentax 
>> gear until I couldn't any more, then switch.   Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> 
 Tom C wrote:
 
> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
 
 The K5 being discontinued?
>>> 
>>> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear 
>>> and go to Nikon.
>>> 
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RE: So wrong, also ?

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Igor Roshchin

> I suspect Paul knows this, but in case other people don't...
> 
> A few years ago, a physicist Charles Falco in collaboration
> with David Hockney (artist and art historian), has demonstrated
> that a lot of renaissance artists were using lenses and mirrors
> to project images - so that they can paint some elements of the
> picture over the projected image. This is called "Hockney-Falco"
> thesis.
> 
> You can read more about this here:
> http://www.optics.arizona.edu/ssd/art-optics/index.html
> 
> I heard several talks/lectures of Charlie, and even had a chance of
> hosting one of them at Texas A&M University.
> While some art historians might disagree (they think that Falco-Hockney
> are trying to take down the importance of the particular classical
> artists, which is not the case), as a scientist, I am very much
> convinced by the arguments made by these guys.

I have a very good book called Vermeer's Camera in which the author puts
forward his argument for the idea that Vermeer used a camera obscura. There
is a web page to accompany it: http://www.vermeerscamera.co.uk/home.htm

There are contemporary pictures that show draughtmen using various optical
devices as drawing aids since at least the Renaissance.

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Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Igor Roshchin

I suspect Paul knows this, but in case other people don't...  

A few years ago, a physicist Charles Falco in collaboration
with David Hockney (artist and art historian), has demonstrated
that a lot of renaissance artists were using lenses and mirrors
to project images - so that they can paint some elements of the
picture over the projected image. This is called "Hockney-Falco" thesis.

You can read more about this here:
http://www.optics.arizona.edu/ssd/art-optics/index.html

I heard several talks/lectures of Charlie, and even had a chance of
hosting one of them at Texas A&M University.
While some art historians might disagree (they think that Falco-Hockney
are trying to take down the importance of the particular classical
artists, which is not the case), as a scientist, I am very much
convinced by the arguments made by these guys.

Igor

Fri Jan 20 11:07:42 EST 2012
Paul Stenquist wrote:

On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

> Hmmm - a techie version of paint by numbers?
> 
> -p
My, the list is judgmental today.

Painting with a projector and a photograph is nothing like painting by
numbers. More accurately, it could be considered a contemporary version
of the camera obscura, a projecting device that most scholars believe to
have been used by Vermeer and other Dutch Masters to create their
beautifully detailed canvases. I suspect that painting from a projection
is much more difficult and requires much more artistic ability than most
would think. It doesn't annoy me in the least.

However, I have found nothing to suggest that Steve Mills relies on a
projector or other device. He is simply a very talented realist, and his
art is well received by most critics. 

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Re: So wrong, also ?




On 1/20/2012 18:04, Joseph McAllister wrote:

If you want words for Scrabble play, use Dave's posts as a reference!  :-)


There is also apiece I havent read yet


Or your own… :-)

yeahyeahyeah :-)

ann


On Jan 20, 2012, at 13:21 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:


On 1/20/2012 15:36, Charles Robinson wrote:

On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/



My biggest issue with this is that "shelterisland" isn't a real word!

  -Charles



Actually - the guy who posted the link to the Scrabble list pointed out
a couple of other "phony" words too...

Quite apart from whether it is paint or photoshop, the original photo or
a free-hand finely executed work, it's a real snooze - nothing to look at in 
any form.  The artist inserted words on the board that were personal to him..

There is also apiece I havent read yet on him in 'THE LAST WORD" current issue 
on line.


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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Stan Halpin

Like she said.

I have a mirrorless camera - the PEN EP-L2. Like most compact cameras, it is 
designed to be held at arms length in front of you while you try to obtain 
sharp focus on an LCD screen made unreadable by glare. And/or by presbyopia. It 
has a clunky add-on EVF which works reasonable well, but it is clearly an 
add-on to a camera designed for the compact-camera crowd. I hope Pentax does 
not repeat that mistake, but I am very much expecting that they will.

If the new line-up is:
a. the new little toy camera with interchangeable lenses;
b. the rumored APS-C mirrorless camera; and
c. the K-5 or follow-on quality DSLR,
 then I think life is good. If they drop the K-5 with no replacement, then 
Nikon wouldn't be too bad an alternative. At this point I've had my time to 
play with lots of different lenses, I would not need a huge assortment of Nikon 
lenses to keep me satisfied. Two or three fast zooms . . .
stan

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> I guess I agree with Paul, but I have to say it would break my heart to see 
> the K5 to go away with no upgrade to follow.  I'd probably use my Pentax gear 
> until I couldn't any more, then switch.   Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> 
>>> Tom C wrote:
>>> 
 Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
 that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>>> 
>>> The K5 being discontinued?
>> 
>> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and 
>> go to Nikon. 
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Stan Halpin

The same source reported, on March 30 2011, that the Pentax K-mount APS-C 
mirrorless would be released in the summer of 2011.

On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> Let's hope for this one:
> 
> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/i-hope-marc-newson-can-make-a-better-pentax-k-design-than-that-one/
> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Christine Aguila  
> wrote:
>> I guess I agree with Paul, but I have to say it would break my heart to see 
>> the K5 to go away with no upgrade to follow.  I'd probably use my Pentax 
>> gear until I couldn't any more, then switch.   Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> 
 Tom C wrote:
 
> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
 
 The K5 being discontinued?
>>> 
>>> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear 
>>> and go to Nikon.
>>> 
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Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Joseph McAllister

If you want words for Scrabble play, use Dave's posts as a reference!  :-)

> There is also apiece I havent read yet

Or your own… :-)

On Jan 20, 2012, at 13:21 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> On 1/20/2012 15:36, Charles Robinson wrote:
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>> 
>>> So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link
>>> 
>>> http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/
>>> 
>> 
>> My biggest issue with this is that "shelterisland" isn't a real word!
>> 
>>  -Charles
>> 
> 
> Actually - the guy who posted the link to the Scrabble list pointed out
> a couple of other "phony" words too...
> 
> Quite apart from whether it is paint or photoshop, the original photo or
> a free-hand finely executed work, it's a real snooze - nothing to look at in 
> any form.  The artist inserted words on the board that were personal to him..
> 
> There is also apiece I havent read yet on him in 'THE LAST WORD" current 
> issue on line.

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

Let's hope for this one:

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/i-hope-marc-newson-can-make-a-better-pentax-k-design-than-that-one/

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> the K5 to go away with no upgrade to follow.  I'd probably use my Pentax gear 
> until I couldn't any more, then switch.   Cheers, Christine
>
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>>> Tom C wrote:
>>>
 Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
 that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>>>
>>> The K5 being discontinued?
>>
>> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and 
>> go to Nikon.
>>
>> Paul
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Re: OT AfterShot: Lightroom & Aperture alternative

2012-01-20 Thread Bruce Walker

I have Corel to thank for becoming a huge fan of Framemaker.

My wife and I were fully invested Ventura Publisher users until not
too long after Corel bought it. They screwed it into the ground. We
settled on Framemaker after that and still use it to this day. I'm
very unhappy that Adobe discontinued Apple support of it, so we run an
older copy in Windows.

I'm thinking of resurrecting my old NeXT version of Framemaker from
Lighthouse. I should be able to run Openstep 3.3 in VMware. Might be a
fun project. :-)


On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> >> Darren Addy
> >
> >> I'm all for competition (and a lower priced product) but some of the
> >> COMMENTS on this page give me reason to pause...
> >>
> >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/10/CorelAfterShotPro
> >>
> >> You can download the trial here:
> >> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4670071
> >>
> >> I think I would be more excited about this if I were a hardcore Linux
> >> user.
> >> : )
> >
> > I like this comment: "For the true photograpers, not for LR or Aperture
> > users who have plenty of bling-bling softwares but rarely talent."
> >
> > No sign of a chip on that shoulder!
>
> None at all.
>
> No interest here. Lightroom 4 Public Beta is producing some amazing
> results, and I've *never* trusted Corel Software. They have a long
> history of coming out with a product then neglecting it for years on
> Mac OS X, then pulling it, etc etc.
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

I guess I agree with Paul, but I have to say it would break my heart to see the 
K5 to go away with no upgrade to follow.  I'd probably use my Pentax gear until 
I couldn't any more, then switch.   Cheers, Christine



On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
>> Tom C wrote:
>> 
>>> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
>>> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>> 
>> The K5 being discontinued?
> 
> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and 
> go to Nikon. 
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Re: So wrong




On 1/20/2012 16:25, Paul Stenquist wrote:


On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:




On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote:



Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong or 
immoral.





Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same thing
right?


I see the smiley, but I still have to answer:-).

"Wrong" and "immoral" aren't synonymous, but "so wrong" has implications of 
immoral,


 at least to my ear.

I don't think so in current parlance - as it can be mentioned in matters 
quite more trivial than this stuff we've been discussing.


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Re: So wrong


On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> 
> 
> On 1/20/2012 15:52, Bob W wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'd say that it's right up there with cat photos.
>>> 
>> 
>> Black&  white cats painted ginger, perhaps.
> 
> ohoh, you've been looking at graphic arts gallery.
> http://annsan.smugmug.com/Graphic-Design/Anns-design-work/3346046_7HfWvF/1/1158685402_HS4MX/Medium
> 
> But it is not only from a photo of mine but it's my kitty cat...
> And I DID do it just for the money -- ain't got much yet but it
> has sold as a mug and a magnet so far - that I can remember.
> 
>> larry wrote:
>>> Seriously a lot of the same arguments against coloring photos could be
>>> made against photos as art, rather than painting.
>>> Did Dylan get upset when the Byrds or Hendrix did better versions of
>>> his songs?
>> Bob W replied
>> This is a false analogy because songs are about performance, whereas
>> documentary photography is not.
> 
> Indeed
>> 
>> 
>> I think this coloured photo thing is very skillful technically, but
>> pointless and uninteresting.
> 
> I don't know personally if it is difficult or easy to do but I don't
> like that she did it.  And to use that Vietname shooting shot for
> "art",not to mention the burning monk - well that is pretty hard
> to deal with and not right.
>> 
>> I don't have any issues with the ethics of it any more than I do with
>> Duchamp drawing a moustache and goatee on the Mona Lisa, provided that
>> copyright etc. are respected.
>> 
>> B
> 
> The copyright issue certianly would trouble me.


But this work has been very public. If there were copyright issues, they would 
surely have surfaced by now. I would guess that either the copyrights have 
expired or the lady has obtained permission to use the images.

Paul


> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
>>> Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
 
 On 1/19/2012 23:38, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
> 
> What's next? Will she produce B&W images from someones color prints?
> 
> Seems wrong to me. she should go out and produce some original work
 of her own !
 
 I think I'm in this camp too... Remember the film colorization mess a
 few years back??
 
 I think it's fine for people to hand tint their _own_ photos, but
 no matter how skilled she is at doing these they are iconic news
 photos and it seems so unnecessary.  Especially when most of thes
 photos
 were produced when color photography existed.  And before that, there
 were paintings in color... bringing the color into bW photos for a
 documentary purpose alone, hmm, maybe ok... but this is art for arts
 sake it seems, and not her own, as Ken said.  I just can't wrap by old
 brain around this.
 
 I think I saw some of her work at the Met recently and it pissed me
>>> off
 
 then, too.
 
 ann
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Fs Friday


Listed the flash on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190629059884?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

ebay was annoying me trying to get me to add item specifics for this
but their item specific thingy said this was for a CANON... however, it
stayed up.

 still have sundry filters from my friends Canon stash that I've
gotten too lazy to list on ebay - if you think you might be interested
I can send you the list of things I've shown before.

One of the filters is a star filter which someone was interested in but
decided not to spend for it -

anyway, I can show you the stuff if you think you might want them -

I still have the Canon speedlight -  and some misc older cell phone 
accesories for a Samsung t639.. including two batteries that are

useable on a few other Samsung phones and possibly others.

Write of list if any of this sparks your interest.

ann

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Re: So wrong

Too funny, Bob.  Thanks!  I'm at a meeting waiting for it to start, so thanks 
for the giggle. Cheers, Christine



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>> On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
>>> Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not
>> wrong or immoral.
>>> 
 
>> 
>> Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same thing
>> right?
>> 
>> ann:-)
>> 
> 
> Immoral is where the Royal Family go for Scottish holidays. Wrong is what
> Prince Phillip is.
> 
> B
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

MARK!

cheers, 
frank, just kidding, but I couldn't resist.

:-)

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If Mark included every "I never thought I'd agree with ..." quote there 
wouldn't be room in the list for anything else.

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> On 20/1/12, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I never thought I'd say this but I agree with John Sessoms.
> 
> Mark.
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Re: So wrong

On 1/20/2012 15:52, Bob W wrote:

I'd say that it's right up there with cat photos.

Black& white cats painted ginger, perhaps.

ohoh, you've been looking at graphic arts gallery.
http://annsan.smugmug.com/Graphic-Design/Anns-design-work/3346046_7HfWvF/1/1158685402_HS4MX/Medium

But it is not only from a photo of mine but it's my kitty cat...
And I DID do it just for the money -- ain't got much yet but it
has sold as a mug and a magnet so far - that I can remember.

larry wrote:

Seriously a lot of the same arguments against coloring photos could be
made against photos as art, rather than painting.
Did Dylan get upset when the Byrds or Hendrix did better versions of
his songs?

Bob W replied
This is a false analogy because songs are about performance, whereas
documentary photography is not.

Indeed

I think this coloured photo thing is very skillful technically, but
pointless and uninteresting.

I don't know personally if it is difficult or easy to do but I don't
like that she did it. And to use that Vietname shooting shot for
"art",not to mention the burning monk - well that is pretty hard
to deal with and not right.

I don't have any issues with the ethics of it any more than I do with
Duchamp drawing a moustache and goatee on the Mona Lisa, provided that
copyright etc. are respected.

The copyright issue certianly would trouble me.

ann

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

On 1/19/2012 23:38, Kenneth Waller wrote:

What's next? Will she produce B&W images from someones color prints?

Seems wrong to me. she should go out and produce some original work

of her own !

I think I'm in this camp too... Remember the film colorization mess a
few years back??

I think it's fine for people to hand tint their _own_ photos, but
no matter how skilled she is at doing these they are iconic news
photos and it seems so unnecessary. Especially when most of thes
photos
were produced when color photography existed. And before that, there
were paintings in color... bringing the color into bW photos for a
documentary purpose alone, hmm, maybe ok... but this is art for arts
sake it seems, and not her own, as Ken said. I just can't wrap by old
brain around this.

I think I saw some of her work at the Met recently and it pissed me

off

then, too.

ann

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Re: OT AfterShot: Lightroom & Aperture alternative

2012-01-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Darren Addy
>
>> I'm all for competition (and a lower priced product) but some of the
>> COMMENTS on this page give me reason to pause...
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/10/CorelAfterShotPro
>>
>> You can download the trial here:
>> http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4670071
>>
>> I think I would be more excited about this if I were a hardcore Linux
>> user.
>> : )
>
> I like this comment: "For the true photograpers, not for LR or Aperture
> users who have plenty of bling-bling softwares but rarely talent."
>
> No sign of a chip on that shoulder!

None at all.

No interest here. Lightroom 4 Public Beta is producing some amazing
results, and I've *never* trusted Corel Software. They have a long
history of coming out with a product then neglecting it for years on
Mac OS X, then pulling it, etc etc.

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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

Interesting. I like what he said about long, fast glass for the APS-C cameras. 
And based on that interview,  it certainly doesn't sound like DSLRs are going 
away.
Paul

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> search for the link. If anyone else missed it
> 
> http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/01/12/imaging-resource-interviewjohn-carlson-pentax
> 
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> 
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Re: So wrong, also ?


on 2012-01-20 13:36 Charles Robinson wrote

On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/



My biggest issue with this is that "shelterisland" isn't a real word!


neither is "pillowman", but suspecting the artist has something to say through 
the scrabblewords in the painting i learned that "The Pillowman" is a rather 
unusual play which itself contains some referential twists




i can't offhand think of a word that ends in "clopey"

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Re: So wrong


On Jan 20, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> 
> 
> On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> >
>> Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong or 
>> immoral.
>> 
>>> 
> 
> Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same thing
> right?

I see the smiley, but I still have to answer:-).

"Wrong" and "immoral" aren't synonymous, but "so wrong" has implications of 
immoral, at least to my ear.
> 
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RE: So wrong

> On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > >
> > Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not
> wrong or immoral.
> >
> >>
> 
> Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same thing
> right?
> 
> ann:-)
> 

Immoral is where the Royal Family go for Scottish holidays. Wrong is what
Prince Phillip is.

B


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Re: So wrong, also ?




On 1/20/2012 15:36, Charles Robinson wrote:

On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/



My biggest issue with this is that "shelterisland" isn't a real word!

  -Charles



Actually - the guy who posted the link to the Scrabble list pointed out
a couple of other "phony" words too...

Quite apart from whether it is paint or photoshop, the original photo or
a free-hand finely executed work, it's a real snooze - nothing to look 
at in any form.  The artist inserted words on the board that were 
personal to him..


There is also apiece I havent read yet on him in 'THE LAST WORD" current 
issue on line.


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RE: So wrong, also ?

> So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link
> 
> http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-
> steve-mills/
> 
> I found it hard to believe. so what is going on here?  I think
> this guy used a projector to project a photo he took (the first
> one I might find slightly interesting as a photo in a piece about
> glass , the others, not at all) onto canvas and then added acryllic.
> In the way illustartors used to do to pump out stuff for books quickly.
> 
> 
> I cynically wrote the poster that I thought they were fake totally
> (photoshop) but apparently they are really large "paintings" .
> 
> Anyone know more about Mills?
> 
> "Look what I can do" (or look what can be done) art kinda always annoys
> me - unless it is just for fun.
> 
> This stuff seems just, well, shallow
> 
> What say you guys?
> 
> ann

Somebody ought to photograph it in soft focus and print it on artistic
canvas.

B


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Re: So wrong




On 1/20/2012 15:13, Paul Stenquist wrote:

>
Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong or 
immoral.





Just to be picky -- immoral and wrong are not always the same thing
right?

ann:-)


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RE: So wrong, also ?

> 
> > http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-
> steve-mills/
> 
> > What say you guys?
> 
> I can't really get into it, either. I wrote a bit when I first learned
> of his work:
> 
> http://scotchtape.ductwhisky.com/2011/06/on-photorealism.html
> 

all modern art is an ongoing conversation with and about the history of art.
Photorealism is about the impact of photography on painting and on
representational art. It is one of the ways in which painting responds by
questioning the image itself and making us question our reactions to and
relationships with reality and its representations.

B


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Re: So wrong, also ?


on 2012-01-20 06:40 Ann Sanfedele wrote

So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/


hyperrealism is an established movement in painting; the artists do usually 
work from photos, but i don't recall seeing such a painting with bokeh rings


to me, the style itself is generally stunning when viewed in person, but holds 
my interest when there is something more, such as the choice of subject or a 
concept worked out through a series of paintings


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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

I missed it too the first time around, thanks for the heads up.  I had to 
search for the link. If anyone else missed it

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/01/12/imaging-resource-interviewjohn-carlson-pentax

On Jan 20, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

> Somehow missed this thread, but just read the interview.
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K7/Kr

2012-01-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

Those earlier pics from the work area with the vertical interference line ...
Looking @ the images again ...
the sensor apparently has a number of frozen/hot (red/green) pixels.
Well, we took back the K7 and got a new Kr.  
Today I took it out to the same area.
No pixel issues.  No vertical interference banding.  No problems at all.

Sincerely, 

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Re: So wrong, also ?


On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
>> http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/
> 
>> What say you guys?
> 
> I can't really get into it, either. I wrote a bit when I first learned
> of his work:
> 
> http://scotchtape.ductwhisky.com/2011/06/on-photorealism.html

I really like the "scotch tape duct whisky" name of the blog.  Very clever.

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RE: So wrong

> 
> I'd say that it's right up there with cat photos.
> 

Black & white cats painted ginger, perhaps.

> Seriously a lot of the same arguments against coloring photos could be
> made against photos as art, rather than painting.
> Did Dylan get upset when the Byrds or Hendrix did better versions of
> his songs?

This is a false analogy because songs are about performance, whereas
documentary photography is not. As a song analogy I would compare it to
Santana covering Guerilla / Africa Bamba and giving himself a writing credit
for it just because he tacked some piece of old crap on it.

> If someone colorized my van when it was parked on the street I'd be
> upset.  If someone started with one of my photos for their own artwork
> I'd be flattered.  If they went and sold it, I would want a cut of the
> action.
> 

I think this coloured photo thing is very skillful technically, but
pointless and uninteresting. If people want to treat it as art that's up to
them, but in my opinion it's bad art. 

I don't have any issues with the ethics of it any more than I do with
Duchamp drawing a moustache and goatee on the Mona Lisa, provided that
copyright etc. are respected.

B

> Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >On 1/19/2012 23:38, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> What's next? Will she produce B&W images from someones color prints?
> >>
> >> Seems wrong to me. she should go out and produce some original work
> >of her own !
> >
> >I think I'm in this camp too... Remember the film colorization mess a
> >few years back??
> >
> >I think it's fine for people to hand tint their _own_ photos, but
> >no matter how skilled she is at doing these they are iconic news
> >photos and it seems so unnecessary.  Especially when most of thes
> >photos
> >were produced when color photography existed.  And before that, there
> >were paintings in color... bringing the color into bW photos for a
> >documentary purpose alone, hmm, maybe ok... but this is art for arts
> >sake it seems, and not her own, as Ken said.  I just can't wrap by old
> >brain around this.
> >
> >I think I saw some of her work at the Met recently and it pissed me
> off
> >
> >then, too.
> >
> >ann



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Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Darren Addy

Where will all this end?
The next thing you know people will be calling sculptures of Brillo
Boxes and screen prints of Campbell's Tomato Soup cans "art"!

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Re: An Interview with Pentax's John Carlson

2012-01-20 Thread Darren Addy

Somehow missed this thread, but just read the interview.

This quote is interesting to me:
"If you look purely at what we're hearing from customers, there's a
lot of demand for longer focal lengths. Something like 300mm f/2.8,
something like that. As far as what's on the road map, it's not
something that I'm able to share."

He's acknowledging customer demand, and even names a focal length and
aperture combination but then says that he's "not able to share" what
is on the road map.

Also, everything that he says for the 645 here could also be said for
a Pentax full frame camera:
"I think that was our advantage with the 645, that there were a lot of
photographers who were film 645 shooters, had the lenses, and we
maintained that compatibility. Then there's a lot of lenses available
on the secondary market because of the popularity of the older camera,
of the film version of the camera. I think that is definitely a big
part of the strategy, is those existing owners of those lenses. As far
as the 25mm is concerned, the indication is that it will be available,
I believe, in March."

Finally, when he says:
"I'm cautiously optimistic, especially for certain categories like
DSLRs, like the water-proof cameras, things such as that where they've
still--I don't want to say they're growing tremendously, but they are
still growing."

It seems like all of this hand-wringing (in the EVIL rumors thread)
about Pentax DSLR development and production going away are a bit of
an over-reaction. He all but admits earlier in the interview that a
K-r replacement is in the pipeline (that he can't confirm). I'm pretty
sure the same can be said for the K-5.

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread John Francis

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:54:03AM -0700, Tom C wrote:
> 
> If true, does anyone else have a bit of a problem understanding this strategy?
> 
> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5? And likely without
> the weather-sealing and 100% viewfinder?
> 
> If I had the choice of upgrading from a K-7 to a K-5 or the
> as-described camera, it would be a K-5.
> 
> I was hoping for a clear reason to upgrade over and above a K-5.

I don't for one moment think this camera is intended as an upgrade to the K-5.

It's aimed at people considering a Micro 4/3 system, a Sony NEX, Nikon J1, &c,
especially those who already have (or have access to) several Pentax lenses.

I wouldn't buy the camera as described in the limited information we have seen
so far, but I didn't buy an *ist-DS, K-x, (or even the K-7) either.

I might be interested in the next model, especially if it is a more compact
system with a shorter register distance (as long as it comes with a K-mount
adapter that retains full functionality with at least SDM lenses (although
of course I'd like it to work with screw-drive AF, and KA-mount lenses!).
Mind you, we don't know that this camera doesn't already have all that ...
I'd also hope for more features with a fully-electronic viewfinder. We've
already seen selectable zoom (to check critical focus rather than framing),
and some compact cameras already have better focus-point indication than
just a red blob in the viewfinder (if you even get that ...).  I can think
of all sorts of extra possibilities that could be done with an EVIL body.

I'd want an enclosed viewfinder, though - experience with my wife's E-PL1
has taught me that a rear screen is almost useless in bright sunlight.

I'm still not sure, though, if I'd really want anything larger than a 4/3
system. The image quality of the current generation of sensors seems to be
good enough for almost everything I do (although I'm obviously not the most
demanding person here - until six months ago my K-10D was my main camera).
But comparing the size and weight of my K-5 with the 60-250 to the E-PL1
with the 40-150 makes me wonder just how often I need the extra abilities.

One more thing - there are places where an E-PL1 can go, but my K-5 can't.
Next week the US figure skating championships is in town. I'm not going,
but my wife is.  The HP Pavilion has a camera policy limited to still
photography with lenses at most 6" long, but that means she can (and will)
take the E-PL1.  I'm sure she'll manage to come back with something at
least as good as I was able to manage the last time the competition was
held here (in 1996, a month after we moved to California). In those days
I was shooting with my PZ-1p, and probably the FA 100-300 (I think the
A* 200 was a later accquisition). And of course modern digital sensors
are far more sensitive than the colour film stock available in 1996.

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Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Roberts

Mark Roberts wrote:


>>she replaced all the various grays with color elements of different tonal 
>>values. 
>>Look at the color detail she created in the Times Square buildings. 
>>Not easy by any stretch of the imagination.
>
>Layers. Displacement masks. Blend modes.

That should be displacement *maps*, not masks.

>Not basic stuff, but not rocket science either - all covered in my
>introductory Photoshop class.
>It's really no big deal.

 
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs


on 2012-01-20 12:53 Collin Brendemuehl wrote

*Make the camera a real computing device* and not just a PC peripheral.  That's 
my plan.  Why won't they listen to me?



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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs


on 2012-01-20 12:45 Steven Desjardins wrote

I find Bruce's comment bothersome.  (Sorry Bruce.)  Pentax would never
abandon the SLR format completely, but I'm not so sure about Ricoh.  I
hope they would at least run both for a while before completely
converting to mirrorless.


in ten years or less i expect SLRs to to be obsolete (ie, no longer produced, 
though many will still use them)


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Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Charles Robinson

On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:40, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> So on the Scrabble discuss list last week someone posted this link
> 
> http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/01/hyper-realistic-paintings-by-steve-mills/
> 

My biggest issue with this is that "shelterisland" isn't a real word!

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Tom C

>> Tom C wrote:
>>
>>> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
>>> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>>
>> The K5 being discontinued?
>
> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and 
> go to Nikon.
>
> Paul

I never thought I'd agree with Paul. :-)

I have a feeling there will be a DSLR upgrade. Maybe this is
Ricoh/Pentax's attempt to get the jump on Nikon/Canon with an APS-C
mirrorless system?

Tom C.

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread David Parsons

If there is no mirror, it's pretty hard to have an optical viewfinder.
 Unless you are talking about it being a rangefinder (which I don't
see Pentax doing), without a mirror, it's going to be an EVF.

I doubt that Pentax has anything to do with these rumors.  People love
to speculate.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> No one seems to know if it has a built in EVF, aside from the LCD.
> From what I've seem with other companies, not mentioning the EVF means
> that it's not built in and is only an add-on if it exists at all.
> OTOH, who knows the nature of this rumor?  I always wonder if the
> company floats these rumors to gauge reaction and then tweaks the
> final designs.
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:58 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>> From: Bong Manayon
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Steven Desjardins 
>>> wrote:

 Supposedly K mount and a K-5 quality sensor:


 http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/
>>>
>>> More...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://m.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-revealed-in-february--1056080
>>
>>
>>
>> "without a mirror and optical viewfinder."
>>
>> I can live without the mirror, but without a viewfinder it's no use to me.
>>
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Tom C

> From: "Larry Colen, l...@red4est.com (From Droid)" 
>
> I can see a few reasons.
> The kx is right on the verge of pocketability, the k5 is slightly too large. 
> A little smaller and a better shape could make a big difference.
> Face recognition on focus
> It could be cheaper to build
> Manual focus in low light
> The k5 doesn't have a lot of gaps in its performance that will be fixed by 
> huge leaps in the same form factor.  EVIL has an entirely different set of 
> inherent strengths and weaknesses.  It's like the crescent tool company 
> coming out with pliers and complaining that they aren't any better at 
> removing nuts than the adjustable wrench you own.
> You are not the intended customer.
> I also find it funny that half the list gets a priapism over the new fuji, 
> wishing it had a sensor as good as the K5 and was able to use pentax glass, 
> but at the possibility that Pentax is coming out with a camera that will, 
> then the sky is falling.
> If it's not what I think I want, then there is obviously no market for it.
>
> Tom C  wrote:
>
>>> >
>>http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/
>>>
>>> More...
>>>
>>>
>>http://m.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-revealed-in-february--1056080
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://bong.manayon.net
>>>

I didn't hear anyone say the sky is falling.

I think it's natural to want something over and above what is
currently available. The rumored K-1 seems like it's just the 'over'
part, a backwards lateral, so to speak. If I was in the market for an
EVIL camera (aside from NEX-7) and had a bunch of K-mount lenses, then
it could be interesting, but not if I already had a K-7 or K-5.

It's exactly why the NEX-7 pushes my buttons and this this does not.

I don't believe the K-1 sounds like it'll be pocket-able... unless
overalls pocket and a pancake lens maybe. But then I don't think these
are intended as pocket-able, simply smaller.

Tom C.

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Re: So wrong


On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:08 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> The very nature of performing arts means that works are often interpreted by 
> someone other than the writer/composer. The performers are artists in their 
> own rights. Works are interpreted and presented from the unique perspective 
> of the performer(s).
> 
> The visual arts are such that a finished work is presented to the viewer. 
> Yes, that work can be later modified or re-interpreted by the artist but that 
> (in my eyes) is a new work.
> 
> So she takes the work of others and re-interprets them. She is very skillful 
> at what she does. That's about all I get from this. I don't know whether it's 
> art or not; I guess that's not even a pertinent question.
> 
> Is it wrong? Assuming all copyright laws are complied with, I don't think so. 
> However I still don't feel good about it. It's kind of like drawing a 
> moustache on the Mona Lisa: It may be art but I don't have to like it.

Agreed. No one has to like it or feel good about it. But it's not wrong or 
immoral.

> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Joseph McAllister 
> Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: So wrong
> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 07:55 , Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's 
>>> doing.
>> 
>> I doubt it. I would assume either she has permission or the copyrights have 
>> expired. She's doing it very publicly. And very well IMO. Quite Obviously, a 
>> lot of skill and artistic ability is required to achieve the results she's 
>> accomplished. I applaud that. 
> 
> On "Shorpy.com" there are a few members who regularly colorize the presented 
> B&W images that are culled from the Library of Congress's publicly available 
> collections. Some even compete for best rendering. I have no problem with 
> that at all. They are no longer hunched over a pinned down print with their 
> tubes of Marshall Transparent Oils and a selection of fine sable brushes for 
> the detail work.
> 
> The colorized versions that are posted bring to life the rather ho-hum images 
> that display life in the late 19th century through the mid-20th century when 
> color film rose to consumer usage. I find some of the works delightful.
> 
> Most of the images are from collections donated to the Library, or shot for 
> the WPA and other government projects. As such they are in the public domain. 
> Once available only by entering the LOC and perusing their catalog, they are 
> now available to all in super sized HD scans from 4x5 to (commonly early 
> images) 8 x 10 glass negatives. You ain't seen a pano until you've seen  
> beautifully stitched images from 8 x 10 glass negs. 
> 
> Getting these images digitized and "out there" to nuts like me who save some 
> or all of the Shorpy presented images builds multi backed up records of days 
> long gone. A percentage of the negatives are being eaten by mold, and could 
> not be preserved if it weren't for scanning and public display.
> 
> 
>> I think we sometimes get caught up in a contemporary pretension that applies 
>> some kind of arbitrary judgement to creative endeavors. Whether the lady's 
>> work is fine art or not is not for me to judge. But it's certainly artful, 
>> and it's most certainly not "wrong."
> 
> My feelings exactly Paul.
> 
> 
> 
> Joseph McAllister
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: So wrong


On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> 
>>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> 
 On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what 
>>> she's doing.
>> 
>> Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is required to 
>> achieve the 
>> results she's accomplished.
> 
> Nope. It's very easy to do this stuff with recent versions of
> Photoshop.
 
 It's easy to add color, but not with the exactitude and attention to 
 tonality, shading and detail with which she has done it. 
>>> 
>>> It's *much* easier than you think.
>> 
>> I'm not buying it. She didn't just paint over a BW in photoshop, 
> 
> Of course not. That's not how you do it.
> 
>> she replaced all the various grays with color elements of different tonal 
>> values. 
>> Look at the color detail she created in the Times Square buildings. 
>> Not easy by any stretch of the imagination.
> 
> Layers. Displacement masks. Blend modes.
> Not basic stuff, but not rocket science either - all covered in my
> introductory Photoshop class.
> It's really no big deal.

I'll send you a highly detailed BW and you colorize it with that level of skill 
and precision. Then I'll believe it's not big deal. But my eyes and my own 
experience say otherwise. I would guess there are at least 5,000 different 
coloration tasks involved in that Times Square photo, and the final result has 
to be convincing. A big deal.
> 
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Re: So wrong

The very nature of performing arts means that works are often interpreted by 
someone other than the writer/composer. The performers are artists in their own 
rights. Works are interpreted and presented from the unique perspective of the 
performer(s).

The visual arts are such that a finished work is presented to the viewer. Yes, 
that work can be later modified or re-interpreted by the artist but that (in my 
eyes) is a new work.

So she takes the work of others and re-interprets them. She is very skillful at 
what she does. That's about all I get from this. I don't know whether it's art 
or not; I guess that's not even a pertinent question.

Is it wrong? Assuming all copyright laws are complied with, I don't think so. 
However I still don't feel good about it. It's kind of like drawing a moustache 
on the Mona Lisa: It may be art but I don't have to like it.

Cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Joseph McAllister 
Sent: January 20, 2012 1/20/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: So wrong

On Jan 20, 2012, at 07:55 , Paul Stenquist wrote:

> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
>> I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's 
>> doing.
> 
> I doubt it. I would assume either she has permission or the copyrights have 
> expired. She's doing it very publicly. And very well IMO. Quite Obviously, a 
> lot of skill and artistic ability is required to achieve the results she's 
> accomplished. I applaud that. 

On "Shorpy.com" there are a few members who regularly colorize the presented 
B&W images that are culled from the Library of Congress's publicly available 
collections. Some even compete for best rendering. I have no problem with that 
at all. They are no longer hunched over a pinned down print with their tubes of 
Marshall Transparent Oils and a selection of fine sable brushes for the detail 
work.

The colorized versions that are posted bring to life the rather ho-hum images 
that display life in the late 19th century through the mid-20th century when 
color film rose to consumer usage. I find some of the works delightful.

Most of the images are from collections donated to the Library, or shot for the 
WPA and other government projects. As such they are in the public domain. Once 
available only by entering the LOC and perusing their catalog, they are now 
available to all in super sized HD scans from 4x5 to (commonly early images) 8 
x 10 glass negatives. You ain't seen a pano until you've seen  beautifully 
stitched images from 8 x 10 glass negs. 

Getting these images digitized and "out there" to nuts like me who save some or 
all of the Shorpy presented images builds multi backed up records of days long 
gone. A percentage of the negatives are being eaten by mold, and could not be 
preserved if it weren't for scanning and public display.

> I think we sometimes get caught up in a contemporary pretension that applies 
> some kind of arbitrary judgement to creative endeavors. Whether the lady's 
> work is fine art or not is not for me to judge. But it's certainly artful, 
> and it's most certainly not "wrong."

My feelings exactly Paul.

Joseph McAllister
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Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Roberts

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> 
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
>> I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's 
>> doing.
> 
> Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is required to 
> achieve the 
> results she's accomplished.
 
 Nope. It's very easy to do this stuff with recent versions of
 Photoshop.
>>> 
>>> It's easy to add color, but not with the exactitude and attention to 
>>> tonality, shading and detail with which she has done it. 
>> 
>> It's *much* easier than you think.
>
>I'm not buying it. She didn't just paint over a BW in photoshop, 

Of course not. That's not how you do it.

>she replaced all the various grays with color elements of different tonal 
>values. 
>Look at the color detail she created in the Times Square buildings. 
>Not easy by any stretch of the imagination.

Layers. Displacement masks. Blend modes.
Not basic stuff, but not rocket science either - all covered in my
introductory Photoshop class.
It's really no big deal.
 
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Re: So wrong

On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's 
>>> doing.
>> 
>> Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is required to achieve 
>> the 
>> results she's accomplished.
> 
> Nope. It's very easy to do this stuff with recent versions of
> Photoshop.
> 
> And I think altering another artist's work without permission is vile.

Doing so destructively?  I agree with you.  But when it involves a 
non-destructive copy, I think that this subject is one that spans a 
generational divide.  There is a lot of music these days ( for certain values 
of music ) that involves "sampling", where they take pieces of other 
recordings, and play and mix them together to come up with an entirely new 
musical piece. Some people consider this vile, others equate it to a DJ playing 
and mixing songs at a club.

A lot of us grew up when doing so was tantamount to drawing a mustache on the 
Mona Lisa, but with digital copies, things are different.  Also, note that many 
of her photos were from situations where color photography was not possible, or 
practical.  The civil war photo when color simply wasn't available, or news 
photos where I'm sure the photographer had to shoot with what ever was in the 
camera that was in their hands at the moment.  I suspect that a lot of the news 
photographers whose works were colorized didn't have the resources to shoot 
color and shot black and white because there wasn't c41 processing available in 
the war zone.

Are any of the photographers whose works she colorized still alive?  Has anyone 
asked them what they thought?

Sometimes a derivative work can be brilliant in it's own right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q75qJ3vCmBw

Then there is this commentary on a derivative work:
http://exileonmoanstreet.blogspot.com/2010/08/if-andy-warhol-painted-his-campbells.html

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

I'm hoping for this. I'd really like to see Pentax try a plastic
version of what Fuji just released (the X Pro 1) with a built in EVF.
I think Fuji is going after the M9, but I don't' think Pentax has the
mojo for that.

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> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> It makes some sense if the new EVIL body is a smaller, lighter body
>> with K5 innards and this is accompanied by the release of a new DSLR.
>> The "new line" has a lower end model which is mirrorless and the
>> higher spec model which is a DSLR.  Effectively, this new mirrorless
>> model is replacing the K-r and the something else is replacing the K5.
>
> I'd be very happy with that.
> Paul
>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>>> wrote:

 On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Tom C wrote:
>
>> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
>> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>
> The K5 being discontinued?

 If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear 
 and go to Nikon.
>>>
>>> That likely goes for me too, but consider this. We've been complaining
>>> that Pentax *used* to be a market leader, constantly coming out with
>>> new innovations that the rest of the market later copied, but hasn't
>>> done that for a very long time.
>>>
>>> Is it possible that Pentax has finally made (or is about to reveal) a
>>> decisive move here?
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On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> It makes some sense if the new EVIL body is a smaller, lighter body
> with K5 innards and this is accompanied by the release of a new DSLR.
> The "new line" has a lower end model which is mirrorless and the
> higher spec model which is a DSLR.  Effectively, this new mirrorless
> model is replacing the K-r and the something else is replacing the K5.

I'd be very happy with that. 
Paul

> 
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> 
 Tom C wrote:
 
> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
 
 The K5 being discontinued?
>>> 
>>> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear 
>>> and go to Nikon.
>> 
>> That likely goes for me too, but consider this. We've been complaining
>> that Pentax *used* to be a market leader, constantly coming out with
>> new innovations that the rest of the market later copied, but hasn't
>> done that for a very long time.
>> 
>> Is it possible that Pentax has finally made (or is about to reveal) a
>> decisive move here?
>> 
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl

>I find Bruce's comment bothersome.  (Sorry Bruce.)  Pentax would never
>abandon the SLR format completely, but I'm not so sure about Ricoh.  I
>hope they would at least run both for a while before completely
>converting to mirrorless.

The assumption seems absurd, even for Ricoh.
What seems more a problem is the timing -- and it seems very "Japanese".
It's that type of conservative business that does not act until all is ready
instead of taking a marketplace initiative.  These are companies, as C S Lewis
might describe them, "without chests".  They lack the necessary passion for
being real leaders instead of mere innovators.

Here's my marketplace leadership idea restated from 3 years ago:
If only someone would one-up eye.fi and build it into the camera
with lower power consumption.
*Make the camera a real computing device* and not just a PC peripheral.  That's 
my plan.  Why won't they listen to me?
I'll even head up the project, both engineering and marketing.

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Re: So wrong


On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> 
>>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> 
 
 On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
 
> I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's 
> doing.
 
 Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is required to 
 achieve the 
 results she's accomplished.
>>> 
>>> Nope. It's very easy to do this stuff with recent versions of
>>> Photoshop.
>> 
>> It's easy to add color, but not with the exactitude and attention to 
>> tonality, shading and detail with which she has done it. 
> 
> It's *much* easier than you think.

I'm not buying it. She didn't just paint over a BW in photoshop, she replaced 
all the various grays with color elements of different tonal values. Look at 
the color detail she created in the Times Square buildings. Not easy by any 
stretch of the imagination.

> 
>>> And I think altering another artist's work without permission is vile.
>> 
>> Shakespeare did it. Most would say quite effectively.
> 
> No, he based his own work on existing stories and wrote all his own
> prose for it (except for the plays he wrote as collaborations). Big
> difference.
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

I find Bruce's comment bothersome.  (Sorry Bruce.)  Pentax would never
abandon the SLR format completely, but I'm not so sure about Ricoh.  I
hope they would at least run both for a while before completely
converting to mirrorless.

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>
>>I never thought I'd say this but I agree with John Sessoms.
>
> Mark.
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

If Mark included every "I never thought I'd agree with ..." quote there 
wouldn't be room in the list for anything else.

On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Cotty wrote:

> On 20/1/12, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I never thought I'd say this but I agree with John Sessoms.
> 
> Mark.
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Re: So wrong, also ?

2012-01-20 Thread Cotty

On 20/1/12, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My, the list is judgmental today.

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2012-01-20 Thread Cotty

On 20/1/12, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I never thought I'd say this but I agree with John Sessoms.

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Cotty

On 20/1/12, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I can live without the mirror, but without a viewfinder it's no use to me.

I never thought I'd say this but I agree with John Sessoms.

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Jack Davis

What Paul said.
 
Jack


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On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Tom C wrote:
> 
>> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
>> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
> 
> The K5 being discontinued?

If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and go 
to Nikon. 

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

No one seems to know if it has a built in EVF, aside from the LCD.
>From what I've seem with other companies, not mentioning the EVF means
that it's not built in and is only an add-on if it exists at all.
OTOH, who knows the nature of this rumor?  I always wonder if the
company floats these rumors to gauge reaction and then tweaks the
final designs.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:58 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Bong Manayon
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Steven Desjardins 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Supposedly K mount and a K-5 quality sensor:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/hot-pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-coming-soon/
>>
>> More...
>>
>>
>> http://m.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/pentax-k-01-mirrorless-camera-revealed-in-february--1056080
>
>
>
> "without a mirror and optical viewfinder."
>
> I can live without the mirror, but without a viewfinder it's no use to me.
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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

It makes some sense if the new EVIL body is a smaller, lighter body
with K5 innards and this is accompanied by the release of a new DSLR.
The "new line" has a lower end model which is mirrorless and the
higher spec model which is a DSLR.  Effectively, this new mirrorless
model is replacing the K-r and the something else is replacing the K5.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>>> Tom C wrote:
>>>
 Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
 that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>>>
>>> The K5 being discontinued?
>>
>> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and 
>> go to Nikon.
>
> That likely goes for me too, but consider this. We've been complaining
> that Pentax *used* to be a market leader, constantly coming out with
> new innovations that the rest of the market later copied, but hasn't
> done that for a very long time.
>
> Is it possible that Pentax has finally made (or is about to reveal) a
> decisive move here?
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Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Jan 20, 2012, at 07:55 , Paul Stenquist wrote:

> 
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
>> I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's 
>> doing.
> 
> I doubt it. I would assume either she has permission or the copyrights have 
> expired. She's doing it very publicly. And very well IMO. Quite Obviously, a 
> lot of skill and artistic ability is required to achieve the results she's 
> accomplished. I applaud that. 

On "Shorpy.com" there are a few members who regularly colorize the presented 
B&W images that are culled from the Library of Congress's publicly available 
collections. Some even compete for best rendering. I have no problem with that 
at all. They are no longer hunched over a pinned down print with their tubes of 
Marshall Transparent Oils and a selection of fine sable brushes for the detail 
work.

The colorized versions that are posted bring to life the rather ho-hum images 
that display life in the late 19th century through the mid-20th century when 
color film rose to consumer usage. I find some of the works delightful.

Most of the images are from collections donated to the Library, or shot for the 
WPA and other government projects. As such they are in the public domain. Once 
available only by entering the LOC and perusing their catalog, they are now 
available to all in super sized HD scans from 4x5 to (commonly early images) 8 
x 10 glass negatives. You ain't seen a pano until you've seen  beautifully 
stitched images from 8 x 10 glass negs. 

Getting these images digitized and "out there" to nuts like me who save some or 
all of the Shorpy presented images builds multi backed up records of days long 
gone. A percentage of the negatives are being eaten by mold, and could not be 
preserved if it weren't for scanning and public display.

> I think we sometimes get caught up in a contemporary pretension that applies 
> some kind of arbitrary judgement to creative endeavors. Whether the lady's 
> work is fine art or not is not for me to judge. But it's certainly artful, 
> and it's most certainly not "wrong."

My feelings exactly Paul.

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Re: New Pentax EVIL rumor, with specs

2012-01-20 Thread Bruce Walker

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> Tom C wrote:
>>
>>> Assuming I had a K-5, what would induce me to buy a mirrorless system
>>> that is essentially in all other respects, a K-5?
>>
>> The K5 being discontinued?
>
> If no DSLR upgrade were introduced, that would induce me to sell my gear and 
> go to Nikon.

That likely goes for me too, but consider this. We've been complaining
that Pentax *used* to be a market leader, constantly coming out with
new innovations that the rest of the market later copied, but hasn't
done that for a very long time.

Is it possible that Pentax has finally made (or is about to reveal) a
decisive move here?

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Re: So wrong

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Roberts

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>
>On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>>> 
 I don't know, but it would seem there are copyright issues in what she's 
 doing.
>>> 
>>> Quite Obviously, a lot of skill and artistic ability is required to achieve 
>>> the 
>>> results she's accomplished.
>> 
>> Nope. It's very easy to do this stuff with recent versions of
>> Photoshop.
>
>It's easy to add color, but not with the exactitude and attention to tonality, 
>shading and detail with which she has done it. 

It's *much* easier than you think.
 
>> And I think altering another artist's work without permission is vile.
>
>Shakespeare did it. Most would say quite effectively.

No, he based his own work on existing stories and wrote all his own
prose for it (except for the plays he wrote as collaborations). Big
difference.
 
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Re: So wrong