Re: Today's Peace Rally

2012-05-29 Thread William Robb

On 28/05/2012 1:06 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Tom,
The employment issue might be relevant.
You could wear a hat, sunglasses, and a hospital mask as a disguise,
but the goggles are teargas protection, maybe the bandanna as well.


Knowing how over the top both protesters and police can be these days, 
wearing tear gas protection at a protest rally is probably as prudent as 
wearing a tie-off when working on a roof. When I get into my truck, I 
put on my seatbelt. This doesn't mean I am looking to smack into 
something, it's just that I am aware that there are potential pitfalls 
to driving across town.
Were I off to a protest rally, the same thing would apply. Some 
protester might get carried away (at the G8 in Toronto, some of the 
protesters who got carried away were, in fact, police plants who were 
embedded deliberately to cause mischief and give the police an excuse to 
crack a few skulls), or a cop might just get trigger happy and plop a 
gas grenade beside me just for spite.


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RE: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Bob W
I've had no problem with it on my system. A few versions ago I had problems 
with response times, but that was because I didn't have a powerful enough 
machine for it. I upgraded the machine and OS and everything was tickety-boo.

B

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 I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
 so dog-slow.
 
 I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
 myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
 functionally a Good Thing.
 
 But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
 slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
 get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
 damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this upgrade and begin
 finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
 
 Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
 complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
 
 Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
 with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
 CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
 warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to 6!
 Shit.
 
 Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.
 
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Re: Web site feedback - OT

2012-05-29 Thread Cotty
On 28/5/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

I went the web site--price a bit pricey for me.  But thanks for the
heads up anyway!  Cheers, Christine

Christine, consider Freeway Express.

I have used Freeway Pro for about 8 years I think. It does what its
supposed to and the support is first rate.

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Derby Chang


Geez, that's bad. I upgraded to LR4 about same time as going to Win7 
64bit, so there wasn't much of a speed hump. More memory definitely 
helps, but a fast disk for the lightroom catalog zips things along too.


I know you are a heavy user of PS. What are the incompatibilities? I'm 
still on CS3, but then I only use it to scan in negs, do some dust 
spotting, and then I import into LR. Raw conversion I leave to LR.


Hope you can get back to some real studio work soon.



On 29/05/2012 11:11 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
so dog-slow.

I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
functionally a Good Thing.

But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this upgrade and begin
finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.

Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!

Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
6! Shit.

Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.

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Re: PESO - Form over Function

2012-05-29 Thread Derby Chang

Nice.

Is it a good idea for him to be ipodded, no helmet and on a non-bike 
lane? Sorry, I've been doing risk analysis all day.


D



On 29/05/2012 8:41 AM, frank theriault wrote:

Louis L. Sullivan would be aghast:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/05/form-over-function.html

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/05/form-over-function.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.

cheers,
frank



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Re: PESO a bit of Hollywood glam

2012-05-29 Thread Derby Chang


I saw this a while back, but haven't commented. My initial thought was, 
I would probably prefer this in BW, because of your Hurrell intention. 
In colour, her skin looked a little overcooked, whereas in glow-y black 
and white, it would really would be glam. I still see a bit of jpeg 
artifacts along her hair, and on the chair feature over her right arm. 
But not so bothersome (and maybe that's flickr's fault).


It's her direct gaze that works for me. Really arresting.



On 28/05/2012 11:40 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Absolutely! I replaced it on Flickr, so if you look at the same link
as before ...

http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7262010996/lightbox/

you'll see the revised one.


On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net  wrote:

You're welcome, Bruce. Your photo was excellent to begin with, so it's worth 
making it as perfect as possible. When it comes to fixing photos that are less 
than perfect, I have more experience than I care to admit to.  Can we see the 
result?

On May 27, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Okay, Paul, did that. Also lightened-up her hair and much ofthe whole
left side of her face. I think that reduces that lazy eye illusion
plus revealing her nice hair a lot more.

Thanks for your critique and pointers, Paul!


On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Paul Stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net  wrote:

You could probably release a bit of the tension in her face by smoothing out 
her brow above her left eye. Worth a try IMO.
Paul
On May 25, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:


I'm sure you've seen Hurrell's work, if you've seen any bw shots of
Hollywood stars.

https://www.google.com/search?q=george+hurrelltbm=isch

I agree her hair needs to be revealed more, and I need to brighten her
eye as well, per Paul's suggestion, so I'm off to do some
dodge'n'burn. :-)

Thanks, Bob!


On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com  wrote:

Bruce,
I don't know George Hurrell's style at all, but I enjoyed the photo.
For such a glamorous shot, I miss her luxurious hair...needs light!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com
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Was introduced to a lovely lady who wanted to do a creative shoot. I
suggested Hollywood glamour ala George Hurrell and she said yeah ...

http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7262010996/lightbox/

This is the first of a few I'll be retouching. The goal was BW, but I
couldn't resist keeping this one colour.

The shoot took place yesterday in The Gallery Studio Cafe in New
Toronto. There's a piano, which of course we made use of, and a nicely
decorated bar with a big ol' espresso machine, which also made it into
some shots. We basically had the run of the place. Dorothy enlisted
two of her ex-colleagues (she was an on-air personality with a talk
show on Rogers cable TV) for makeup and hair and they did a superb
job. I have BTS shots of the two of them working on Dorothy
simultaneously.

I wanted to get the focussed-light with rapid fall-off look typical
of George Hurrell's work, so I used the ring-light-in-a-softbox that I
created especially for the shoot and tested on my wife last week.
George used multiple big hotlights with fresnel lenses to get his
look, so we clearly would only be able to approximate it but I think
we didn't do too badly. He also spent hours dodging and burning to get
his deep shadows and body contouring, so at least that part I'll be
able to emulate accurately! :-)

K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 39mm/f:8.0, 100 ISO, 125th sec.
AF160 ringlight in 18 Westcott Apollo softbox on monopod, held above
and in front of subject's face.
AF540 in 42 silvered umbrella for fill, camera-left.
AF540 with snoot for hair, well back camera-right.
Cowboy Studios radio triggers.
Lr and Ps for post and retouching.

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

2012-05-29 Thread Eric Weir

That was a question, Ann. The answer is obvious to you. Not to me. [I note, 
e.g., that Dan's original comment while apparently intended as black humor, was 
understood otherwise by many.] I understand that Steve explicitly addressed the 
set, the nests below. Again, taking that into consideration, I don't know 
what he was saying. And finally, I was serious about being OK with sarcasm, if 
it was sarcasm. 

One thing I've liked about this list since finally opting in a year or so ago, 
is the affection that this diverse lot of people have for each other. There are 
occasional, I would say rare, exceptions. But the overwhelming mood is one of 
affection. [Well, one of the moods---along with kindness, helpfulness, 
tolerance, etc., etc.]

So if Steven was being sarcastic, I can handle it. Given that you didn't take 
him that way, he probably wasn't. But if he was I might wonder if he hadn't 
misunderstood something, or if I had been careless in some way, but that would 
be all.

Regards,

Eric

On May 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Eric - careful - steven said nothing sarcastic at all
 note the nests below
 
 just sayin
 
 ann
 
 On 5/28/2012 07:39, Eric Weir wrote:
 
 Hmm. Not sure whether to take that as sarcasm or not, Steven. It's OK if I 
 should, just don't know.
 
 On May 27, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
 
 That's a really good set.  Your technique and composition are excellent.
 
 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Eric Weireew...@bellsouth.net  wrote:
 
 On May 21, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
 As to the protesters, I only regret I don't have my old F-4B available
 to pay them a visit.
 
 Very cool.
 
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Re: Card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread Jeffery Smith
I wrote to Leica last night, telling them the sordid history of my M8s. The 
card fail defect seems to be extremely common. I suggested a firmware upgrade 
thst bypasses the write protect feature altogether. 

Sent from my iPad

Jeffery L. Smith
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USA

On May 29, 2012, at 0:19, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:

 On May 29, 2012, at 6:25 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
 
 And you say you bought the Gear from BH, who cannot shirk their prime
 responsibility and pass the buck on to you. You should send your gear
 to BH under US Law and tell them to sweat it put with Leica, as you
 bought the camera from BH and not Leica.
 
 That's the advice I'd give as the law in NZ places responsibility on the 
 retailer, but I don't know if the same applies in the USA.  Either way it 
 sounds like a terrible situation.  Maybe a polite-but-nasty letter from your 
 lawyer would help to get things moving.
 
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Re: Boris Peso #18 - Steadfast

2012-05-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Missed this one earlier. A great concerted, well executed by you.
Paul

On May 28, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Thanks, Dan!
 
 On 4/24/2012 08:04, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Great effect with the shadows of the flowers that are not in the
 frame.  I like it.
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Hi!
 
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2012/04/peso-2012-18-steadfast.html
 
 Please be brutal and honest.
 
 Boris
 
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Re: Boris peso #21 - Rising with the sun

2012-05-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Boris,

I'd be happy to give it a try. 

Best,
Paul


On May 28, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Paul, could I send you the pic (even the small one) so that you can show me 
 what you mean? 'Cause I tried, but it comes out unnatural or too punchy...
 
 On 5/25/2012 14:09, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 I like this a lot. It does feel to be a bit lacking in mid range
 contrast. You might try altering the curve a bit through the middle
 and see if that gives it a bit more tonal separation. Paul On May 25,
 2012, at 3:56 AM, John Coyle wrote:
 
 Great shot - well seen and captured Boris.
 
 John Coyle Brisbane, Australia
 
 
 
 
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 Boris peso #21 - Rising with the sun
 
 Hello.
 
 Please have a look and give me your honest and brutal say.
 
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2012/05/peso-2012-21-rising-with-sun.html
 
 
 
 Thanks.
 
 Boris
 
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Re: PESO two roles

2012-05-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Dan. 

On May 28, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Another two fine portraits.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
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 Sophisticated:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15809812size=lg
 
 Powerful:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15809813
 
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Re: Web site feedback - OT

2012-05-29 Thread Jeffery Smith
The supplied templates with most of these programs are what I find to be 
complicating. The eye candy is distracting and confining. 

Sent from my iPad

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On May 29, 2012, at 4:07, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:

 On 28/5/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I went the web site--price a bit pricey for me.  But thanks for the
 heads up anyway!  Cheers, Christine
 
 Christine, consider Freeway Express.
 
 I have used Freeway Pro for about 8 years I think. It does what its
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Re: PESO two roles

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Both lovely portraits, Paul.

Have you got agency rep for Grace yet? :)


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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
I wish it were so simple, Tim.

Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
drive.

The other maddening thing is that one time I fired up Lr 4 it was
quite perky. Sliders were smooth acting and responsive. But 3 of 4
times launching it, it's crazy sluggish.

Almost nothing worse than inconsistency.


On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 I upgraded to a slightly-faster computer with 8G of RAM and it was
 like night and day.  We’ll never go back to the halcyon days of
 Lightroom 1 (now *that* was fast), but it’s perfectly acceptable; you
 just need more memory. -T

 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
 so dog-slow.

 I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
 myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
 functionally a Good Thing.

 But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
 slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
 get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
 damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this upgrade and begin
 finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.

 Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
 complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!

 Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
 with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
 CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
 warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
 6! Shit.

 Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Mat Maessen
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
 it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
 a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
 of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
 drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
 drive.

What OS revision are you running? 10.6 can be slow for 64-bit apps,
since the kernel (and any system calls) are still only 32 bits. I've
run into that even running Firefox on my Mac Mini. Need to get my
hands on a copy of Lion and upgrade one of these days...

-Mat

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Photo Rumors

2012-05-29 Thread Jeffery Smith
This site is teasing us with the romor of 3-4 new dSLR cameras from Pentax in 
2012, including one with a 35mm-sized sensor. I am so impressed with the K-5 
(for me, a substantial improvement over the K-7 in low light), I'm not looking 
for a K-5 upgrade. I don't want a mirrorless  dSLR without an eye level 
viewfinder. I have 9 Pentax lenses that would work with a 36x24 sensor. That 
would be the mother lode for me.

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
When I select an image and choose Edit in Ps CS5 it pops up a
warning that I need to upgrade Camera RAW to 7.0. Choices are Edit
Anyway, Let Lr Render or cancel. Googling this topic suggests that
colour shifts were occurring when using this, so I'm very wary.

Right now I'm testing out one of my Hollywood Glam shots. I told it to
let Lr render the image under that assumption that Ps can't get
confused with a TIFF file. It doesn't have to feed that through its
older Camera RAW. If this works okay, I can choose a check-box that
disables the warning in future.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Geez, that's bad. I upgraded to LR4 about same time as going to Win7 64bit,
 so there wasn't much of a speed hump. More memory definitely helps, but a
 fast disk for the lightroom catalog zips things along too.

 I know you are a heavy user of PS. What are the incompatibilities? I'm still
 on CS3, but then I only use it to scan in negs, do some dust spotting, and
 then I import into LR. Raw conversion I leave to LR.

 Hope you can get back to some real studio work soon.




 On 29/05/2012 11:11 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
 so dog-slow.

 I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
 myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
 functionally a Good Thing.

 But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
 slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
 get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
 damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this upgrade and begin
 finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.

 Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
 complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!

 Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
 with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
 CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
 warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
 6! Shit.

 Fairly pissed at Adobe right now.

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Re: Photo Rumors

2012-05-29 Thread Darren Addy
Photorumors.com is a green web site. They even recycle rumors.

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Mat, I'm still running 10.6.8. I enabled 64-bits for Ps CS5 and Lr 3
and got a noticeable speed improvement back in the day.

But you might be right; Lion may help. I know I need it for a couple
of other things.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
 it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
 a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
 of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
 drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
 drive.

 What OS revision are you running? 10.6 can be slow for 64-bit apps,
 since the kernel (and any system calls) are still only 32 bits. I've
 run into that even running Firefox on my Mac Mini. Need to get my
 hands on a copy of Lion and upgrade one of these days...

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
You and me both, Derby! :-)

And It's going to be location stuff for a while anyway until I can get
settled into a studio space. I'm working on that.


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 Hope you can get back to some real studio work soon.

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Re: Photo Rumors

2012-05-29 Thread Jeffery Smith
They may have been the one to suggest a Pentax rangefinder patent. 

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Web site feedback - OT

2012-05-29 Thread Kenton Brede
Jeffery,
Just took a look at your changes.  The site is coming along nicely. :)
 One thing I will add.  The opening page is centered on the screen.
When opening the thumbnail galleries, they snap to the left.  From
there opening a single photo, the photo loads centered.  The
right/left, left/right shift is a little distracting in my opinion.
If you could get the thumbnail gallery to open centered it would help.

My 2 cents. :)
Kent

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 After a hiatus of about 6 years, I'm rebuilding a minimalist website from the 
 ground up. I decided to make it easy to view...on an iPad.

 Can some of you take a look and let me know what you think of the format? I'm 
 not a pro, so there is nothing promotional on it. And the only gallery I have 
 up so far is about 80 photos from the Lower 9th Ward taken after Katrina. All 
 taken with Tri-X film with a rangefinder, so it is totally OT.

 The site is www.400tx.com.

 Thanks much, in advance.

 Jeffery

 Sent from my iPad

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Re: PESO -- Holding Court.

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
I agree with Frank!  cheers, Christine



On May 28, 2012, at 10:54 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe it's just the cigar, but there's something very Churchillian about this 
 photo.
 
 Wonderful body language, very well caught.
 
 Excellent photo!
 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- 
 Christopher Hitchens
 
 --- Original Message ---
 
 From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
 Sent: May 28, 2012 5/28/12
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: PESO -- Holding Court.
 
 Just an informal portrait.
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20holdingcourt.html
 
 Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 limited.
 
 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
 
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Re: peso two hats

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Ann!  cheers, Christine


On May 28, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 That's fun (oh, you already said that :-) )
 
 ann
 
 On 5/28/2012 20:14, Christine Aguila wrote:
 just for fun.  Cheers, Christine
 
 
 http://www.caguila.com/twohats/content/IMGP1448_large.html
 
 
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Re: peso two hats

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Paul!  Yep, saw Grace in her hat!  Sweet!  Cheers, Christine



On May 28, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Fun stuff. A hat day here in Michigan as well.
 Paul
 On May 28, 2012, at 8:14 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
 
 just for fun.  Cheers, Christine
 
 
 http://www.caguila.com/twohats/content/IMGP1448_large.html
 
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Re: peso two hats

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks!  Cheers, Christine



On May 28, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Interesting tete-a-tete.
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Re: PESOs: Memorial flags in Boston

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Very nice!  I think the 2nd one is the strongest, but all are very nice.  
Cheers, Christine



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 For the past few years, a group has been putting up small US flags to
 signify the deaths of every American killed in combat since the Civil
 War.  It's at about 33,000 flags.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/7291260848
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/7291266376
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/7291266376
 
 It was also a great day to see them, the weather was great, and there
 were a ton of people on the Common.  A great way to usher in summer.
 
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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Looks like I'll have to add some memory to my iMac before upgrading.  I have 4 
gigs of ram--probably upgrade to 8 just to be on the safe side.   Thanks for 
mentioning this, Bruce.   Cheers, Christine



On May 28, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

 I upgraded to a slightly-faster computer with 8G of RAM and it was
 like night and day.  We’ll never go back to the halcyon days of
 Lightroom 1 (now *that* was fast), but it’s perfectly acceptable; you
 just need more memory. -T
 
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 I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
 so dog-slow.
 
 I upgraded on the weekend, went through the process of familiarizing
 myself with the new Develop sliders and became comfortable that its
 functionally a Good Thing.
 
 But: good gawd almighty is it slow! Every time I attempt to shift a
 slider I get a spinning pizza of death for many seconds. Sometimes I
 get the SPoD by simply moving the cursor a short distance. It's so
 damned frustrating, I'm starting to regret this upgrade and begin
 finding out how I can go back to Lr 3.6.
 
 Of course I Googled and discovered that legions of people are
 complaining about the very same thing. Dammit!
 
 Oh, then there's the issue where it warns me about incompatibilities
 with Ps CS5 now. They upgraded Camera RAW to 7.0, conveniently leaving
 CS5 at the final version of 6.7 with no hope of an upgrade. Nobody
 warned me that upgrading Lr to 4 meant automatically upgrading Ps to
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

2012-05-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It's not your fault, Tom, it was entirely mine.  I was in a black mood
that day, and made I comment that was best left unsaid.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone by it.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
 It was indeed my comment, and was meant to be a bit of black humor.

 Believe me, at my age, I would do more harm to myself than anyone else.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

 I didn't catch the humor Dan. Ironic because often people don't get mine.

 I intended no offense with my prior comment and apologize if any was felt.

 Tom C.

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Re: PESO: Hit Proof

2012-05-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Christine.  Pettite is one of my heroes, and I always love to
see an old man find a useful way to occupy his time.  G

The billboard towers over Broadway, and that stare reaches out and grabs you.

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On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Good one, Dan.  I like the bold lines and such.  Baseball Gotham!  Cheers, 
 Christine


 On May 27, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15803433

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Hmmm, I have Lion version 10.7.4,   2.5 GHz Core i5.  Wonder if I'd be ok 
without a memory upgrade given your comments about RAM.  Cheers, Christine




On May 29, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Mat, I'm still running 10.6.8. I enabled 64-bits for Ps CS5 and Lr 3
 and got a noticeable speed improvement back in the day.
 
 But you might be right; Lion may help. I know I need it for a couple
 of other things.
 
 
 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
 it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
 a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
 of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
 drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
 drive.
 
 What OS revision are you running? 10.6 can be slow for 64-bit apps,
 since the kernel (and any system calls) are still only 32 bits. I've
 run into that even running Firefox on my Mac Mini. Need to get my
 hands on a copy of Lion and upgrade one of these days...
 
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Re: PESO: Memorial Day

2012-05-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Ann, Paul, Christine and Frank.

This very dignified gentleman always comes to the ceremony that begins
the parade, although he can no longer march more than a few blocks.  I
tried to capture him last year, but I like this image a lot more.

The disinterest of the crowd has more to do with the pastor who was
giving a prayer that was a bit too long than with any disrespect for
this veteran and his comrades.  (At this point, I think the preacher
was announcing that he was retiring from his role in this event, after
25 years, and was looking for a volunteer to do it for the next few
decades.)  A few minutes later, the old vet took off his hat as they
played taps, fired off three rifle salutes,placed a wreath at the
memorial,  and dropped another wreath into the creek below supposedly
to make its way to the ocean).
Dan Matyola
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 Dan, that's a great photo - talk about ironic juxtaposition.

 ann


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 The oldest veteran at our local Memorial Day Parade:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15807094

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Re: Earthquake (more)

2012-05-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
Update: ground keeps shaking and shaking over here. Today around 9 a.m. we 
experienced another major quake (shake and thunder, Richter 5.8), around the 
same power of the main one we suffered 9 days ago (Richter 5.9 then), plus 
several lesser shakes in the 3-to-4 range.
More historical buildings and churches are down now, and more people at work 
were killed under industrial sheds which collapsed.


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OT Flash question

2012-05-29 Thread David J Brooks
Hey all.

I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years
back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family
weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is
still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still
working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's
in it and still nothing.

Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a
wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if  makes sense or
buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for
when needed.

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Re: Card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread P. J. Alling
AFAIK the write protect is like that on an old 3 1/2 inch floppy.  Leica 
would have to write the firmware patch as the firmware resides entirely 
in the camera.  That is if the card-reader itself doesn't have it's own 
inviolable firmware. .


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I wrote to Leica last night, telling them the sordid history of my M8s. The 
card fail defect seems to be extremely common. I suggested a firmware upgrade 
thst bypasses the write protect feature altogether.

Sent from my iPad

Jeffery L. Smith
New Orleans, Louisiana
USA

On May 29, 2012, at 0:19, David Manndmann...@gmail.com  wrote:


On May 29, 2012, at 6:25 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:


And you say you bought the Gear from BH, who cannot shirk their prime
responsibility and pass the buck on to you. You should send your gear
to BH under US Law and tell them to sweat it put with Leica, as you
bought the camera from BH and not Leica.

That's the advice I'd give as the law in NZ places responsibility on the 
retailer, but I don't know if the same applies in the USA.  Either way it 
sounds like a terrible situation.  Maybe a polite-but-nasty letter from your 
lawyer would help to get things moving.

Dave


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Re: Web site feedback - OT

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Cotty!  I just checked out some of the tutorials.  Very interesting and 
affordable.  I have to do something with my web page.  I just got Taco writer 
for the Mac, but maybe Freeway Express would save time and ease the chore.  
Cheers, Christine




On May 29, 2012, at 4:07 AM, Cotty wrote:

 On 28/5/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I went the web site--price a bit pricey for me.  But thanks for the
 heads up anyway!  Cheers, Christine
 
 Christine, consider Freeway Express.
 
 I have used Freeway Pro for about 8 years I think. It does what its
 supposed to and the support is first rate.
 
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Re: Web site feedback - OT

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Jeffery:  I agree with Kent's comments, also I think that 2nd picture in 
people is pixelated.  Overall the site is coming along.  I may check out 
Freeway at some point.  Your site has inspired me!  Cheers, Christine




On May 29, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Kenton Brede wrote:

 Jeffery,
 Just took a look at your changes.  The site is coming along nicely. :)
 One thing I will add.  The opening page is centered on the screen.
 When opening the thumbnail galleries, they snap to the left.  From
 there opening a single photo, the photo loads centered.  The
 right/left, left/right shift is a little distracting in my opinion.
 If you could get the thumbnail gallery to open centered it would help.
 
 My 2 cents. :)
 Kent
 
 On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 After a hiatus of about 6 years, I'm rebuilding a minimalist website from 
 the ground up. I decided to make it easy to view...on an iPad.
 
 Can some of you take a look and let me know what you think of the format? 
 I'm not a pro, so there is nothing promotional on it. And the only gallery I 
 have up so far is about 80 photos from the Lower 9th Ward taken after 
 Katrina. All taken with Tri-X film with a rangefinder, so it is totally OT.
 
 The site is www.400tx.com.
 
 Thanks much, in advance.
 
 Jeffery
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Re: Earthquake (more)

2012-05-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
How terrible.  Keep safe and out of harm's way.

While it is tragic to lose historic monuments, the loss of human lives
is the costliest toll.
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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Update: ground keeps shaking and shaking over here. Today around 9 a.m. we
 experienced another major quake (shake and thunder, Richter 5.8), around the
 same power of the main one we suffered 9 days ago (Richter 5.9 then), plus
 several lesser shakes in the 3-to-4 range.
 More historical buildings and churches are down now, and more people at work
 were killed under industrial sheds which collapsed.

 Dario

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Re: PESOs: Memorial flags in Boston

2012-05-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Great Work, David, and very appreciated at this time of remembrance in the US.
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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Very nice!  I think the 2nd one is the strongest, but all are very nice.  
 Cheers, Christine



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 For the past few years, a group has been putting up small US flags to
 signify the deaths of every American killed in combat since the Civil
 War.  It's at about 33,000 flags.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/7291260848

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/7291266376

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/7291266376

 It was also a great day to see them, the weather was great, and there
 were a ton of people on the Common.  A great way to usher in summer.

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Re: nanda devi/ milam glacier trek photos

2012-05-29 Thread Subash
On Tue, 29 May 2012 06:52:29 +0300
Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 Amazing... I like everything and I don't like that I couldn't be
 joining you, Subash.

thanks Boris. you are welcome, anytime you feel like it... :)

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Re: nanda devi/ milam glacier trek photos

2012-05-29 Thread Subash
On Mon, 28 May 2012 18:35:53 -0500
Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 Subash, these are beautiful--especially, the people portraits.
 You're a photographer with a great eye for subject, composition, and
 technique.  I loved looking at your excellent gallery!  Cheers,
 Christine

thanks for the nice words Christine. appreciate it :)

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Re: Earthquake (more)

2012-05-29 Thread Darren Addy
Well said, Daniel.
I can only say I echo those sentiments.

Darren

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread David J Brooks
Bruce, no problems here. iMac 21.5

Dave

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't understand why nobody has posted here about Lightroom 4 being
 so dog-slow.


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PESO: New York Street Walker

2012-05-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15813352

Comments will be appreciated.


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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Are you running Lightroom 4.0 or Lightroom 4.1RC2? Adobe has issued
two candidate upgrades to Lr4 so far, to address performance issues
and bug reports. Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
suspect.

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/04/lightroom-4-1-rc2-now-available-on-adobe-labs.html

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Re: Card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
An SD card's write protect feature is implemented in hardware on the
card and cannot be defeated by software in the card reader or camera.

There's no reason an M8 should be so fragile or impossible to fix.
Lots of people are getting excellent service out of their M8s without
these kinds of sensitivities to which card is used. And there's
certainly no reason for Jeffery's customer service experience. While
most companies are poor on returning telephone calls these days, a
courteous and prompt response via email to a customer with a $5000
purchase problem in their hand is the norm that I've experienced.

Go for it, Jeffery. :-)

Godfrey


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:06 AM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 AFAIK the write protect is like that on an old 3 1/2 inch floppy.  Leica
 would have to write the firmware patch as the firmware resides entirely in
 the camera.  That is if the card-reader itself doesn't have it's own
 inviolable firmware. .


 On 5/29/2012 7:11 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

 I wrote to Leica last night, telling them the sordid history of my M8s.
 The card fail defect seems to be extremely common. I suggested a firmware
 upgrade thst bypasses the write protect feature altogether.

 Sent from my iPad

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Re: OT Flash question

2012-05-29 Thread Underpaid N. Overpentaxed
If it has been sitting for so long, I would think letting it sit with
batteries inside for a while might be worth a try - perhaps something
is deeply discharged and needs a moment to come back up. Also, if you
have an external power supply for it or access to one, try hooking it
up to that. Failing that, is there a place that will give you a free
quote for the repair?
Cheers  hth
Ecke

2012/5/29 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
 Hey all.

 I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years
 back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family
 weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is
 still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still
 working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's
 in it and still nothing.

 Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a
 wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if  makes sense or
 buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for
 when needed.

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RE: OT Flash question

2012-05-29 Thread John Sessoms

From: David J Brooks


Hey all.

I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years
back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family
weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is
still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still
working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's
in it and still nothing.

Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a
wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if  makes sense or
buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for
when needed.

Dave


Is there anyone local you could take it to and get an estimate? 
Otherwise, how much would Nikon charge you for a repair estimate?


Usually the charge for the estimate applies to the final repair cost.

A quick look at KEH showed a BGN SB800 for $286 (USD), so anything 
less than that seems reasonable.


Strobes don't seem to respond well to long term non-use. Every problem 
I've ever had with a strobe came from not using it for a long time.


About the only thing I can think of that is worse for a strobe than 
leaving it on a shelf  not using it, is to leave batteries in it and 
not use it.


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Re: Card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread steve harley

on 2012-05-29 9:47 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote

An SD card's write protect feature is implemented in hardware on the
card and cannot be defeated by software in the card reader or camera.


that's not correct; tape over the switch to demonstrate, or read about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Card_security_.28non-DRM.29


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Re: Web site feedback - OT

2012-05-29 Thread Jeffery Smith
Thanks for the heads up. I forgot to center align the master page that I was 
using for the gallery pages (thumbnail pages). I think I got it fixed. I also 
used www.tinyurl.com to make a smaller url for the copyright page. I hope that 
is now fixed as well.

Thanks again for the comments, Kent.

Regards,

Jeffery
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New Orleans, LA
www.400tx.com





On May 29, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Kenton Brede wrote:

 Jeffery,
 Just took a look at your changes.  The site is coming along nicely. :)
 One thing I will add.  The opening page is centered on the screen.
 When opening the thumbnail galleries, they snap to the left.  From
 there opening a single photo, the photo loads centered.  The
 right/left, left/right shift is a little distracting in my opinion.
 If you could get the thumbnail gallery to open centered it would help.
 
 My 2 cents. :)
 Kent
 
 On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 After a hiatus of about 6 years, I'm rebuilding a minimalist website from 
 the ground up. I decided to make it easy to view...on an iPad.
 
 Can some of you take a look and let me know what you think of the format? 
 I'm not a pro, so there is nothing promotional on it. And the only gallery I 
 have up so far is about 80 photos from the Lower 9th Ward taken after 
 Katrina. All taken with Tri-X film with a rangefinder, so it is totally OT.
 
 The site is www.400tx.com.
 
 Thanks much, in advance.
 
 Jeffery
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Re: peso two hats

2012-05-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Christine,
Fun catch.  You're hanging out on the Art Institute steps again.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 Fun stuff. A hat day here in Michigan as well.
 Paul
 On May 28, 2012, at 8:14 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 just for fun.  Cheers, Christine


 http://www.caguila.com/twohats/content/IMGP1448_large.html

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Re: Earthquake (more)

2012-05-29 Thread Christine Aguila
Ditto from Chicago!  Dario--stay safe!  Christine




On May 29, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

 Well said, Daniel.
 I can only say I echo those sentiments.
 
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Re: Shooting 45 12-year-olds: advice sought

2012-05-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Rapid snaps and I've changed out whole heads...the smiling one for the
eyes closed one.  Bob S.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:23 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 On May 29, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

 A couple of additional thoughts. Place the tallest of the tallest in the 
 center of the back row and do the same with the other row(s).
 Count down the shutter release and with each shot ask if anyone didn't see 
 the flash go off. If not, they blinked.

 Our wedding photographer took a bunch of rapid-fire copies of each group 
 shot.  Someone's bound to have their eyes closed.

 I've been told that school photographers will copy a set of eyes across from 
 another kid in the group...

 Dave



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Re: Today's Peace Rally

2012-05-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
The first thing they destroy is Police Cars, doesn't make sense to incite them.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:56 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 On May 29, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Tom,
 The employment issue might be relevant.
 You could wear a hat, sunglasses, and a hospital mask as a disguise,
 but the goggles are teargas protection, maybe the bandanna as well.

 I don't see a problem with protestors protecting themselves against teargas.

 I was in Chicago for the Democratic National Convention of '68.
 I think these people wanted to recreate that atmosphere this year.
 I praise the Chicago Police Department for being cool despite the taunting 
 and
 attempts to provoke them for media coverage.

 It's apparently common for bunches of undercover police to join a protest and 
 start trying to incite the other protestors to riot, thus making them look 
 like violent thugs in the media.

 Dave


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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
Thanks for looking Bulent. The camera boots quickly, and is quick 
between shots. I am shooting only jpg so far so ymmv. I am only using 
manual focus lenses so my focusing is the limit on speed. The screen is 
pretty good for focusing and if you have time magnifying can get you 
very precise focus. The screen get's dark when manually setting aperture 
to f11 or more. I did have good luck with some macro work shooting with 
one hand while holding a close-up lens on the camera with the other hand.


I am sure it would be very responsive with a 4/3s lens and auto-focus. I 
am having a lot of fun using the Pentax lenses and manually focusing  
setting aperture. It is a very light package even the adapter and Pentax 
lenses. All in all it's  a high quality point and shoot with changeable 
lens.





Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:55:49 +0300
From: Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side
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They look gorgeous (resolution- and color-wise) on screen.

Is it a responsive camera? (Important especially in situations like
that in your first image).


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Re: OT Flash question

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Dave, here's a short list of my favourite generic Things That Can Go
Wrong, And Will:

bad or weak batteries
Triple-check that your test batteries are good. I suggest you use the
ones that just fired the working flash to give you better confidence.
Oh, and make sure they're inserted the right way around. :-)

dirty contacts
Clean *all* contact surfaces. Get some good multi-purpose
electrical/switch contact cleaner (eg from The Source), soak a cotton
swab and get at the battery contacts inside the flash. Also clean the
contacts on the batteries themselves. And the hotshoe ones while
you're at it.

something needs to be reset.
See if the flash has a reboot sequence or button.

SB800's are very popular and solid. Most likely worth fixing if not
too too expensive.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all.

 I have two SB800 flashes, one bought new, one bought used, a few years
 back. The last time i used the used one, was at the three family
 weddings i shot in 2010 and both worked fine. The one i bought new is
 still working fine, however i went make sure the used one was still
 working today, and it was not.It would not turn on. I put fresh AA's
 in it and still nothing.

 Just wondering if anyone may have an idea what may be wrong, i have a
 wedding in Sept and if i need to get it fixed, if  makes sense or
 buy something else. I want a flash on each camera i have with me for
 when needed.

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Re: Earthquake (more)

2012-05-29 Thread Tom C.
 Well said, Daniel.
 I can only say I echo those sentiments.

 Darren

Well said, Daniel.
I can only say I echo those sentiments.

Darren

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

2012-05-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bill,
Saw Chicago's Police Chief on TV.
He was at the whole NATO demonstration with a plan.
He pulled cops out of the line before they blew-up from the taunting.
He even stopped them from donning gas masks at one point.
(Somebody shouted GAS and the officers started to don masks.
He saw it and said NO, I DIDN'T ORDER THAT!)
Communications was a key.  Each officer had an earpiece radio.
And they practiced what to do with the protesters.
The new chief is from New York.
He showed two momentos from his professional life,
a rock thrown at him here with NATO and the license plate from his
destroyed patrol car on 9/11.

Everybody is approaching this like the police are rabid dogs.
Get a grip folks, I'm sure you know better than that.
The NATO protesters got outsmarted by a peaceful Chief
who smiled, protected property, and refused to get mad.
Quite a contrast to 1968...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:00 AM, William Robb
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 On 28/05/2012 1:06 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Tom,
 The employment issue might be relevant.
 You could wear a hat, sunglasses, and a hospital mask as a disguise,
 but the goggles are teargas protection, maybe the bandanna as well.


 Knowing how over the top both protesters and police can be these days,
 wearing tear gas protection at a protest rally is probably as prudent as
 wearing a tie-off when working on a roof. When I get into my truck, I put on
 my seatbelt. This doesn't mean I am looking to smack into something, it's
 just that I am aware that there are potential pitfalls to driving across
 town.
 Were I off to a protest rally, the same thing would apply. Some protester
 might get carried away (at the G8 in Toronto, some of the protesters who got
 carried away were, in fact, police plants who were embedded deliberately to
 cause mischief and give the police an excuse to crack a few skulls), or a
 cop might just get trigger happy and plop a gas grenade beside me just for
 spite.

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
I'm running 4.0, Godfrey, the current shipping product. Thanks for
pointing out that 4.1RC2 -- I'm going to try it ASAP.

This morning I was editing an image that I had retouched in CS5, I
made a virtual copy and turned that BW. It was all working
flawlessly. I thought maybe I'd done something, like re-optimizing the
catalog, to fix it. But no! After I shut down and restarted Lr just
now it came up in like-a-slug mode again. Argh.


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 Are you running Lightroom 4.0 or Lightroom 4.1RC2? Adobe has issued
 two candidate upgrades to Lr4 so far, to address performance issues
 and bug reports. Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
 suspect.

 http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/04/lightroom-4-1-rc2-now-available-on-adobe-labs.html

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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Try it, Christine, but I couldn't live without 6GB now, and I'd rather
have 8GB if my (older) iMac would accept it.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hmmm, I have Lion version 10.7.4,   2.5 GHz Core i5.  Wonder if I'd be ok 
 without a memory upgrade given your comments about RAM.  Cheers, Christine




 On May 29, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Mat, I'm still running 10.6.8. I enabled 64-bits for Ps CS5 and Lr 3
 and got a noticeable speed improvement back in the day.

 But you might be right; Lion may help. I know I need it for a couple
 of other things.


 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Mat Maessen tomatoe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Yes, I'm using an older machine: a 2008 iMac, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo. But
 it has 6 Gig RAM, and I was running Lr with no other apps up (not even
 a browser), and I was watching the Activity monitor. There was plenty
 of RAM, the disks weren't all that busy, my catalog is on the local
 drive while the image files are on an external 2TB 800 MHz Firewire
 drive.

 What OS revision are you running? 10.6 can be slow for 64-bit apps,
 since the kernel (and any system calls) are still only 32 bits. I've
 run into that even running Firefox on my Mac Mini. Need to get my
 hands on a copy of Lion and upgrade one of these days...

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RE: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
For now ny 28mm have to suffice. I have to remember that the focal 
length doesn't really double but the angle of view is narrowed to that 
of twice the focal length. So my 135mm is not 270 mm.


I did try my 10-20 mm sigma which is limited to f22 on this camera so 
focusing was a bit of a problem even with the wide angle. The results 
were a little soft. If I buy a 4/3s lens for this camera it will be wide.





Message: 10
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:09:28 -0400
From: J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side
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thats the problem with m43, to get wide angle you need to buy a 14mm lens.

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Re: peso two hats

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Nice!

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 just for fun.  Cheers, Christine


 http://www.caguila.com/twohats/content/IMGP1448_large.html

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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
I don't have 4/3rds lens to compare but I am pleased with the look of 
the Pentax glass. The $45.00 35-80 Pentax zoom works great but can't 
beat those primes. That 14mm will have to wait. I don't think of this as 
a landscape camera but it did work surprisingly well for hand-held 
close-up work using a cheap Raynox.






Message: 7
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:13:17 -0400
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You haven't really crossed to the darkside, at least you're using good
glass...However with that 2x crop you really don't have anything
that qualifies as wide angle,


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Re: OT on Lr 4 being unusably slow

2012-05-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've done all my photo work in 4.1RC2 for several weeks now. It's much
more responsive than 4.0. Still not quite at LR3 level on some things,
but there's a lot of debug code in it still.

(It's long since my software development engineering days, nowadays I
just document development tools. I have a lot of empathy for the
struggle that engineering has to deal with on these mega-sized,
complex software products.)

G

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 I'm running 4.0, Godfrey, the current shipping product. Thanks for
 pointing out that 4.1RC2 -- I'm going to try it ASAP.

 This morning I was editing an image that I had retouched in CS5, I
 made a virtual copy and turned that BW. It was all working
 flawlessly. I thought maybe I'd done something, like re-optimizing the
 catalog, to fix it. But no! After I shut down and restarted Lr just
 now it came up in like-a-slug mode again. Argh.


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 wrote:
 Are you running Lightroom 4.0 or Lightroom 4.1RC2? Adobe has issued
 two candidate upgrades to Lr4 so far, to address performance issues
 and bug reports. Lr4.1 is due for final release pretty soon, I
 suspect.

 http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/04/lightroom-4-1-rc2-now-available-on-adobe-labs.html

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PESO BW portrait

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Here's a bw portrait of Dorothy from our Hollywood Glamour shoot ...

http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7295087256/lightbox/

I processed this fully in colour starting in Lr 4, then out to Ps CS5
for retouching, back to Lr, then converted a virtual copy to BW in Lr
4 using just the Lr 4 Develop tools. I think it did a pretty good job
with the tones. The new Lr controls are more intuitive I think, and
make more sense than previous versions if you're thinking zones in
bw.

Luckily Lr 4 was being kind to me this morning and let me do this
without hassles.

Full shoot description is here:
PESO a bit of Hollywood glam
http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg634986.html

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Re: Card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I tried with two of mine. Didn't unlock the card.

G

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 on 2012-05-29 9:47 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote

 An SD card's write protect feature is implemented in hardware on the
 card and cannot be defeated by software in the card reader or camera.


 that's not correct; tape over the switch to demonstrate, or read about it:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Card_security_.28non-DRM.29



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Re: PESO - Form over Function

2012-05-29 Thread Joseph McAllister
Interesting, Derby. One of the cities or counties here in Washington rescinded 
it's helmet law for bicyclists last week as being unenforcible. Why? There is 
not enough money in the treasury to even begin to patrol/ticket/prosecute any 
offenders. Admitting that the law is merely a money pit? 

Going back to the days when helmets were not even available to protect us as we 
vaulted our fat tired Sears machines over makeshift ramps in the middle of the 
street. One of my good buddies in the 50's while trying to best me for distance 
and height found himself a few feet above the street at full speed holding 
nothing but his handle bars as he watched the bike fall out from under his 
arse. Memorable road rash, but he healed and was better for it. Safety checked 
his bike before a ride ever since.   :-)


On May 29, 2012, at 02:43 , Derby Chang wrote:

 Nice.
 
 Is it a good idea for him to be ipodded, no helmet and on a non-bike lane? 
 Sorry, I've been doing risk analysis all day.
 
 D
 
 
 
 On 29/05/2012 8:41 AM, frank theriault wrote:
 Louis L. Sullivan would be aghast:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/05/form-over-function.html
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2012/05/form-over-function.html
 
 Hope you enjoy.  Comments always welcome.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 

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Re: Web site feedback - OT

2012-05-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 The supplied templates with most of these programs are what I find to be 
 complicating. The eye candy is distracting and confining.

I agree. I tend to delete 95% of the dross that's provided with most templates.

I just checked the site again to see how the development was coming
along. Looking good!

One issue: You enter a gallery of thumbnails on the way into a set,
and clicking on a photo there takes you to one photo at a time. But
there's no way to get back to the gallery thumbnails so you can jump
to another photo you're interested in without traversing back to the
top level. That should be corrected, you should be able to get back to
the gallery thumbnails from an individual picture in the gallery.

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PESO: The Magestic

2012-05-29 Thread Darren Addy
What can I say, I'm a sucker for neon at dusk:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/7295995840/in/photostream/lightbox/

This is a recently renovated opera house in the small town of
Concordia, KS and is now a digital movie theater. (The Avengers in 3D
was showing as I took this).

This is a crop of a more expansive vertical, and is (otherwise) a
straight camera JPEG.
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OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Kenton Brede
So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try.  I bought a couple
old Pentax cameras and started shooting.  Locally we have a camera
shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk.  So I
shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual
film camera.  So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing
the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me.  So I worked
with the owner and bought all the chemicals.  I mixed the D-76 and
Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight.  So
I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan
three rolls.  This is the breakdown:

Prices for them to develop one roll of BW and scan to disk.

$5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24

Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames.

69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83

I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and
the answer was, after consulting management, We give a price break on
the scanning, if you develop your film here.

Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight.

Anyway, just a rant.  Sorry it was so long.  I know there are cheaper
scanning alternatives online.  I really didn't want to purchase a
scanner right away.  I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to
stick with film, before buying a scanner.  But at those prices it
wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself.

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Re: PESO BW portrait

2012-05-29 Thread Kenton Brede
Wow, that's really nice!  I'm liking Lr 4 better than 3 myself.

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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's a bw portrait of Dorothy from our Hollywood Glamour shoot ...

 http://www.flickr.com/bruce_m_walker/7295087256/lightbox/

 I processed this fully in colour starting in Lr 4, then out to Ps CS5
 for retouching, back to Lr, then converted a virtual copy to BW in Lr
 4 using just the Lr 4 Develop tools. I think it did a pretty good job
 with the tones. The new Lr controls are more intuitive I think, and
 make more sense than previous versions if you're thinking zones in
 bw.

 Luckily Lr 4 was being kind to me this morning and let me do this
 without hassles.

 Full shoot description is here:
 PESO a bit of Hollywood glam
 http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg634986.html

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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Dmitry Gromov
Hi!

That is an unfortunate truth about scanning. You either buy your own
scanner or give up your own development.
Did you propose to your local lab to pay development surcharge? They
would save on chemicals...

Dmitry

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try.  I bought a couple
 old Pentax cameras and started shooting.  Locally we have a camera
 shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk.  So I
 shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual
 film camera.  So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing
 the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me.  So I worked
 with the owner and bought all the chemicals.  I mixed the D-76 and
 Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight.  So
 I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan
 three rolls.  This is the breakdown:

 Prices for them to develop one roll of BW and scan to disk.

 $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24

 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames.

 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83

 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and
 the answer was, after consulting management, We give a price break on
 the scanning, if you develop your film here.

 Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight.

 Anyway, just a rant.  Sorry it was so long.  I know there are cheaper
 scanning alternatives online.  I really didn't want to purchase a
 scanner right away.  I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to
 stick with film, before buying a scanner.  But at those prices it
 wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself.

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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Joseph McAllister
Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant data 
to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their scanner is 
calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides.

If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which 
they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's 
unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is 
expecting.

My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know what 
they are talking about.

Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time

On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote:

 So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try.  I bought a couple
 old Pentax cameras and started shooting.  Locally we have a camera
 shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk.  So I
 shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual
 film camera.  So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing
 the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me.  So I worked
 with the owner and bought all the chemicals.  I mixed the D-76 and
 Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight.  So
 I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan
 three rolls.  This is the breakdown:
 
 Prices for them to develop one roll of BW and scan to disk.
 
 $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24
 
 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames.
 
 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83
 
 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and
 the answer was, after consulting management, We give a price break on
 the scanning, if you develop your film here.
 
 Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight.
 
 Anyway, just a rant.  Sorry it was so long.  I know there are cheaper
 scanning alternatives online.  I really didn't want to purchase a
 scanner right away.  I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to
 stick with film, before buying a scanner.  But at those prices it
 wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself.
 
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PESO - PAD - The Burlington Building - Print-a-Day-3

2012-05-29 Thread George Sinos
This is a detail from the interior courtyard of The Burlington
Building.

Originally built in 1879 as the Headquarters for the
Burlington and Missouri River Railroad, this building has been
remodeled several times, and is now general office space.

A skylight provides most of the light to the atrium. It’s supplemented
by several electric globes. This extremely high contrast lighting was
more difficult to photograph than to print. The HDR treatment
compressed the high contrast range into a relatively flat, easier to
print image.

http://georges.posterous.com/the-burlington-building-print-a-day-3

gs

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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread steve harley

on 2012-05-29 11:41 Joseph McAllister wrote

If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which 
they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's 
unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is 
expecting.


exactly — there's a lot more operator time (and care) involved

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Re: PESO: The Magestic

2012-05-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Oh yeah, love that colour! I too am a NaD fan. :-)


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 What can I say, I'm a sucker for neon at dusk:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/7295995840/in/photostream/lightbox/

 This is a recently renovated opera house in the small town of
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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Dmitry Gromov
Hi!

From the description, Kenton is doing regular BW, which I doubt
machines like the ones for C-41 exist...
Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in
roll before scanning.

So - I still don't buy that price difference.

D.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant 
 data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their 
 scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides.

 If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which 
 they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's 
 unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is 
 expecting.

 My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know 
 what they are talking about.

 Joseph McAllister
 Lots of gear, not much time

 On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote:

 So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try.  I bought a couple
 old Pentax cameras and started shooting.  Locally we have a camera
 shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk.  So I
 shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual
 film camera.  So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing
 the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me.  So I worked
 with the owner and bought all the chemicals.  I mixed the D-76 and
 Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight.  So
 I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan
 three rolls.  This is the breakdown:

 Prices for them to develop one roll of BW and scan to disk.

 $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24

 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames.

 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83

 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and
 the answer was, after consulting management, We give a price break on
 the scanning, if you develop your film here.

 Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight.

 Anyway, just a rant.  Sorry it was so long.  I know there are cheaper
 scanning alternatives online.  I really didn't want to purchase a
 scanner right away.  I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to
 stick with film, before buying a scanner.  But at those prices it
 wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself.

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Re: Card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread steve harley

on 2012-05-29 11:10 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote

I tried with two of mine. Didn't unlock the card.


i just tried it on one of mine and it worked — maybe you were using a Leica?

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Re: Earthquake (more)

2012-05-29 Thread Paul Sorenson

And from Milwaukee!  Keep us posted so we know you're OK.

-p

On 5/29/2012 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Ditto from Chicago!  Dario--stay safe!  Christine




On May 29, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Darren Addy wrote:


Well said, Daniel.
I can only say I echo those sentiments.

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Re: Today's Peace Rally

2012-05-29 Thread William Robb

On 29/05/2012 10:10 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Dave,
The first thing they destroy is Police Cars, doesn't make sense to incite them.

A few police cars got torched at the Toronto G8. Interestingly, the ones 
that were wrecked were older, out of service cars that had no radios or 
other police equipment inside, and had been more or less abandoned by 
the officers more than a shift prior to being torched.

It was almost like as if the police had set the cars up to be destroyed.
Bob, the police are no longer our friends. They are, at best, allies 
with shifting priorities that may include our well being one day, and 
something completely different the next day.
You have had at least one major incident in California of cops killing a 
defenceless citizen who wasn't fighting back, we've had at least one 
incident of the RCMP killing a person who wasn't really doing anything 
that made killing him a necessity.
Think of the police the same way you think of Pakistan. They say they 
are our friends, but behind the scenes they are working only for 
themselves and whatever serves their interests, and it is only happy 
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Re: Today's Peace Rally

2012-05-29 Thread William Robb

On 29/05/2012 10:27 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Bill,
Saw Chicago's Police Chief on TV.
He was at the whole NATO demonstration with a plan.
He pulled cops out of the line before they blew-up from the taunting.
He even stopped them from donning gas masks at one point.
(Somebody shouted GAS and the officers started to don masks.
He saw it and said NO, I DIDN'T ORDER THAT!)
Communications was a key.  Each officer had an earpiece radio.
And they practiced what to do with the protesters.
The new chief is from New York.
He showed two momentos from his professional life,
a rock thrown at him here with NATO and the license plate from his
destroyed patrol car on 9/11.

Everybody is approaching this like the police are rabid dogs.
Get a grip folks, I'm sure you know better than that.
The NATO protesters got outsmarted by a peaceful Chief
who smiled, protected property, and refused to get mad.
Quite a contrast to 1968...

Good for him, also quite a stark contrast to how many of the 1% protests 
were dealt with last year. Given the recent history of police actions in 
the face of public protest, the way the Chicago protest was handled is 
not the norm.
I'm not sure why introducing a rock and a licence plate as souvenirs to 
the discussion is relevant.


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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Kenton Brede
At first I thought there might be more automation involved, if they
developed.  But their website says, Hand processed by our skilled
technicians.  They also have a 5 day turnaround for BW, whereas
color is one day.  Dmitry, I did ask them if I could pay for the
develop/scan, hand over my negs, and save them some work.  She gave me
a look like, is this guy serious, and shook her head.  LOL
Kent

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Dmitry Gromov grom...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 From the description, Kenton is doing regular BW, which I doubt
 machines like the ones for C-41 exist...
 Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in
 roll before scanning.

 So - I still don't buy that price difference.

 D.

 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant 
 data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their 
 scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides.

 If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which 
 they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's 
 unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is 
 expecting.

 My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know 
 what they are talking about.

 Joseph McAllister
 Lots of gear, not much time

 On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote:

 So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try.  I bought a couple
 old Pentax cameras and started shooting.  Locally we have a camera
 shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk.  So I
 shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual
 film camera.  So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing
 the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me.  So I worked
 with the owner and bought all the chemicals.  I mixed the D-76 and
 Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight.  So
 I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan
 three rolls.  This is the breakdown:

 Prices for them to develop one roll of BW and scan to disk.

 $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24

 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames.

 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83

 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and
 the answer was, after consulting management, We give a price break on
 the scanning, if you develop your film here.

 Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight.

 Anyway, just a rant.  Sorry it was so long.  I know there are cheaper
 scanning alternatives online.  I really didn't want to purchase a
 scanner right away.  I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to
 stick with film, before buying a scanner.  But at those prices it
 wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself.

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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread P. J. Alling
Most local scanning services are outrageous.  Look for a good used film 
scanner.  You'll pay for it very quickly at their prices.  However 
you'll also learn the joys of digital spotting in Photoshop, or some 
other similar program.  Black and white film by it's nature will not 
allow Digital Ice, which is very good for dust and removal at scan time, 
to work properly.  I can recommend the Benq/Acer Scanwit 2720s and 2740s 
scanners they work very well, for an moderately priced dedicated 35mm 
film scanner.  The biggest problem is that their film carriers are a bit 
fragile, so you have to be careful using and buying used.  True they 
only scan at 2700 dpi, but they give a full 36 bits of color depth.  
That's /only/ 9 mp but your local shop was most likely going to scan at 
24 bits and 6mp.  They are a bargain if you can find one.  You'll 
probably have to invest in a modern SCSI card as the one supplied only 
has drivers up to Windows XP.  Unless that's what you're using.  The 
only difference the 20s and 40s is the inclusion of digital Ice in the 
latter.  Not something you'll need if you're shooting Silver based BW.  
One more thing you should probably invest in is Vuescan to replace the 
supplied MiraScan software which sux.


On 5/29/2012 1:23 PM, Kenton Brede wrote:

So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try.  I bought a couple
old Pentax cameras and started shooting.  Locally we have a camera
shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk.  So I
shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual
film camera.  So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing
the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me.  So I worked
with the owner and bought all the chemicals.  I mixed the D-76 and
Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight.  So
I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan
three rolls.  This is the breakdown:

Prices for them to develop one roll of BW and scan to disk.

$5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24

Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames.

69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83

I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and
the answer was, after consulting management, We give a price break on
the scanning, if you develop your film here.

Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight.

Anyway, just a rant.  Sorry it was so long.  I know there are cheaper
scanning alternatives online.  I really didn't want to purchase a
scanner right away.  I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to
stick with film, before buying a scanner.  But at those prices it
wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself.




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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Dmitry Gromov wrote:

From the description, Kenton is doing regular BW, which I doubt
machines like the ones for C-41 exist...

There are machines for regular BW. The photo shop where I worked in
Pittsburgh had one.

Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in
roll before scanning.

It's usually preferable to keep the film in one long strip for
scanning. That's how we did it with the Fuji Frontier machine.

BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and
scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM
(leaving tomorrow!)
 
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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread P. J. Alling

You know, I somehow doubt that they're machine processing Silver based BW.

On 5/29/2012 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant data 
to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their scanner is 
calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides.

If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which 
they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's 
unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is 
expecting.

My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know what 
they are talking about.

Joseph McAllister
Lots of gear, not much time

On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote:


So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try.  I bought a couple
old Pentax cameras and started shooting.  Locally we have a camera
shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk.  So I
shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual
film camera.  So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing
the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me.  So I worked
with the owner and bought all the chemicals.  I mixed the D-76 and
Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight.  So
I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan
three rolls.  This is the breakdown:

Prices for them to develop one roll of BW and scan to disk.

$5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24

Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames.

69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83

I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and
the answer was, after consulting management, We give a price break on
the scanning, if you develop your film here.

Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight.

Anyway, just a rant.  Sorry it was so long.  I know there are cheaper
scanning alternatives online.  I really didn't want to purchase a
scanner right away.  I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to
stick with film, before buying a scanner.  But at those prices it
wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself.

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Re: Card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread Mark Roberts
steve harley wrote:

on 2012-05-29 11:10 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
 I tried with two of mine. Didn't unlock the card.

i just tried it on one of mine and it worked — maybe you were using a Leica?

;?

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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Dmitry Gromov
Hi!

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote:
 At first I thought there might be more automation involved, if they
 developed.  But their website says, Hand processed by our skilled
 technicians.  They also have a 5 day turnaround for BW, whereas
 color is one day.  Dmitry, I did ask them if I could pay for the
 develop/scan, hand over my negs, and save them some work.  She gave me
 a look like, is this guy serious, and shook her head.  LOL

Yeah, strange, always wondered why those businesses are not that flexible...

D.

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Re: PESO: The Magestic

2012-05-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very nice, and great timing.  You caught the lights were they look
strong in the fading daylight, but while you could still capture some
cloud detail in the sky.
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 What can I say, I'm a sucker for neon at dusk:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/7295995840/in/photostream/lightbox/

 This is a recently renovated opera house in the small town of
 Concordia, KS and is now a digital movie theater. (The Avengers in 3D
 was showing as I took this).

 This is a crop of a more expansive vertical, and is (otherwise) a
 straight camera JPEG.
 Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - PAD - The Burlington Building - Print-a-Day-3

2012-05-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice architectural details of what appeals to be a lovely old
building;  well captured.
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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is a detail from the interior courtyard of The Burlington
 Building.

 Originally built in 1879 as the Headquarters for the
 Burlington and Missouri River Railroad, this building has been
 remodeled several times, and is now general office space.

 A skylight provides most of the light to the atrium. It’s supplemented
 by several electric globes. This extremely high contrast lighting was
 more difficult to photograph than to print. The HDR treatment
 compressed the high contrast range into a relatively flat, easier to
 print image.

 http://georges.posterous.com/the-burlington-building-print-a-day-3

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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Dmitry Gromov
Hi!

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Dmitry Gromov wrote:

 From the description, Kenton is doing regular BW, which I doubt
machines like the ones for C-41 exist...

 There are machines for regular BW. The photo shop where I worked in
 Pittsburgh had one.


Do those machines scan film right after processing it or you have to
feed it into different one?
I believe, current C-41 processors do it all automatically.

Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in
roll before scanning.

 It's usually preferable to keep the film in one long strip for
 scanning. That's how we did it with the Fuji Frontier machine.


Yeah, I keep film in rolls until I'm done with all this and it is
ready for archival.

 BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and
 scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM
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Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices

2012-05-29 Thread Dmitry Gromov
Sorry, forgot to mention...

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and
 scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM
 (leaving tomorrow!)


For E-6 I use http://www.dwaynesphoto.com they are ok and scan slides
good (but nothing exceptional).
Used them for Kodachrome as well (with their last batches last year).

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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
I agree Jeffrey I did not even consider this 4/3s system until I saw the 
pentax adaptor. I don't know when I will buy an actual 4/3ds lens.





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I got an adapter to use some LTM lenses with a m4/3 Panasonic. What interests 
me the most is the Sony NEX and all of the adapters it has. I think Sigma's 
biggest mistake has been producing a dSLR that uses only Sigma lenses. If they 
had a dSLR that would (via adapter) use everyone else's lenses, that would be a 
keeper.

Jeffery


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How to photograph the transit of Venus?

2012-05-29 Thread John Celio
I want to try photographing the transit of Venus across the sun on
June 5th, but I've never tried shooting the sun before. Any of you
guys have tips you can share? Is there a special filter I should use,
or would a polarizer or ND filter be sufficient? I'm planning on using
my K 500mm f4.5, so I'll probably need to special order a large enough
filter, and I'll need to do that soon.

Thanks,
John

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Friday. I hope I get to go back to Australia soon, especially to see
the outback and more of Tasmania.

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e: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
Oh Steven you are just an enabler! No don't twist my arm. Well maybe I 
can sneak it past the finance committee next month.





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I just did some looking, and Amazon has some used Lumix 14 2.8 lenses
for $185.



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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread steve harley

on 2012-05-29 10:15 Don Guthrie wrote

Thanks for looking Bulent. The camera boots quickly, and is quick between
shots. I am shooting only jpg so far so ymmv. I am only using manual focus
lenses so my focusing is the limit on speed. The screen is pretty good for
focusing and if you have time magnifying can get you very precise focus. The
screen get's dark when manually setting aperture to f11 or more.


one nice thing about the GH2 is that the EVF, though somewhat crude, has a 
center zoom feature that works well for manual focus; that and it also boosts 
the brightness nicely when stopped down; together, those features make shooting 
with the super macro-takumar pretty fun



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Re: How to photograph the transit of Venus?

2012-05-29 Thread P. J. Alling
Do not I repeat do not point your camera directly at the sun, it will do 
the same thing to it's sensor that it will do to your eye.  No filter 
you can afford will work.  There are methods of using something like a 
pinhole camera taking the photo of the back reflecting surface, (and by 
reflecting I mean a white surface, not a mirror, that only makes 
achieving blindness more complicated.



On 5/29/2012 2:32 PM, John Celio wrote:

I want to try photographing the transit of Venus across the sun on
June 5th, but I've never tried shooting the sun before. Any of you
guys have tips you can share? Is there a special filter I should use,
or would a polarizer or ND filter be sufficient? I'm planning on using
my K 500mm f4.5, so I'll probably need to special order a large enough
filter, and I'll need to do that soon.

Thanks,
John

P.S.: Hey Aussie PDMLers, I loved your country! Just got home last
Friday. I hope I get to go back to Australia soon, especially to see
the outback and more of Tasmania.




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Re: PESO - PAD - The Burlington Building - Print-a-Day-3

2012-05-29 Thread Darren Addy
George, that is absolutely sublime.
I'll have to check it out, the next time I get to Omaha.

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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
Ah another enabler. It does not take much to my LBA fired up. Maybe next 
month. Thanks Derby for the recommendation.




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I can really recommend the Pannie 14/2.8. Almost a pancake lens, and
does fantastic near-far wide shots.



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Re: Card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
 steve harley wrote:

on 2012-05-29 11:10 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote
 I tried with two of mine. Didn't unlock the card.

i just tried it on one of mine and it worked — maybe you were using a Leica?

Very funny. No, my MacBook Air. Happens to be what I have with me
today, aside from the Nikon F.
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Re: card FAIL?

2012-05-29 Thread John Francis
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:55:04PM -0400, Dmitry Gromov wrote:
 Hi!
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
  BHPhoto. They told me to contact Leica. Leica replaced the camera after 
  several months of unreturned phone calls (I contacted their president). The 
  second camera was also defective. After another month of unreturned phone 
  calls, I put it in a drawer. If you aren't a pro photographer, Leica shows 
  no responsibility for defective equipment.
 
 
 Why not to try and recover your money with small claims court or
 something and put them for some other good use (Pentax gear)?
 
 Dmitry

The terms 'Leica' and 'Small Claims Court' are mutually exclusive.


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