Re: May PUG - Bookmarks - is Up

[Stan Halpin]

Thanks for putting this together in the midst of your epic journey around the 
Western U.S.! Nice gallery. I was particularly taken by Eric's Everyday Pasta. 
And Jorge's Brasilcolonial. Both very nice still-life shots. I also was struck 
by Filip's All Quiet..., also a still-life in a macabre sort of way.

stan
 
On May 7, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

> G'day all from Alamosa, Colorado
> 
> A couple of my favourites are Ken's 'Over the Falls', Eric's 'Everyday Pasta' 
> (which looks delicious), Dave's 'Fundamentals of Physics' and Dario's 'The 
> Pentax Way'
> 
> As usual, you'll find the gallery here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/
> 
> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)
> 


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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Bill]

On 07/05/2013 3:51 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

On May 7, 2013, at 15:45 , Bob W  wrote:

In addition, the helmets that do exist can also be responsible for aggravating 
injuries under some circumstances where no injury would otherwise have occurred.


I've seen this statement trotted out many times but have never heard of a true 
study coming up with anything relevant to support this.

Sounds like a load of hooey to me.

I mean, seriously, I can't even visualize/imagine the situation that would 
demonstrate this to be true.

  
When we were having our seat belt law debate in the mid 1970s, it was 
often trotted out that under some situations, a seat belt could actually 
kill the occupant. The common excuse was the car driving into a lake and 
sinking, and the occupant trapped in their seat belt, unable to undo it 
in their panic.
What was never mentioned, of course, was that if the person was so 
panicked that they couldn't undo their seat belt, it was quite unlikely 
that they would be calm enough to safely exit a sinking vehicle, 
presuming they hadn't been knocked out by whacking their head on the 
dash board.


bill

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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Bill]

On 07/05/2013 2:29 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:

Who is now going to post a PESO so that he is not considered a non-photo
contributing troll :-)


All that will change is that you will be like me, an occasional photo 
contributing troll.


bill

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Re: May PUG - Bookmarks - is Up

[Philip Northeast]

I think  "All Quiet On The Western Front "  really works well.

Philip Northeast

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On 8/05/13 1:39 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all from Alamosa, Colorado

A couple of my favourites are Ken's 'Over the Falls', Eric's 'Everyday
Pasta' (which looks delicious), Dave's 'Fundamentals of Physics' and
Dario's 'The Pentax Way'

As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery
there)

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

+

Next up is 'Trees'.

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Re: PESO - Wendy

[Doug Brewer]

On 5/7/13 9:21 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:

A warm feeling from the colours and graceful pose. The shot has a classic
look and feel to it.

Gerrit


Thanks very much, Gerrit.



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Subject: PESO - Wendy

hi, kids, I know I don't post here much, but I thought y'all might like this
one:

https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/XFCf77uy6tf


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Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

[kwaller]

Great personality shot Paul, his smile makes it!

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: PESO - Detroit Blues


Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers 
Market last weekend.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766



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May PUG - Bookmarks - is Up

[Brian Walters]

G'day all from Alamosa, Colorado

A couple of my favourites are Ken's 'Over the Falls', Eric's 'Everyday  
Pasta' (which looks delicious), Dave's 'Fundamentals of Physics' and  
Dario's 'The Pentax Way'


As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not  
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the  
gallery, let me know.


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Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Thanks Bruce, and thanks to everyone else who commented and looked. 

Lots of floating nests set out for the red necked grebes this year. There are 
at least two couples around this year. Maybe they'll finally hatch an egg.

Unfortunately they've attached dayglo pink balloons to the nests - to scare off 
predators I guess - but they certainly make nest photos difficult.

Oh well, worth it if it helps an egg or two hatch.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Bruce Walker 
Sent: May 7, 2013 5/7/13
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Subject: Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

Very nice, Frank.

Sent from my iPod

On 2013-05-06, at 10:38 PM, "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
 wrote:

> They've been back for several weeks but this is the first good look I've had:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/05/first-grebe-of-year.html?m=1
> 
> Unfortunately I didn't have my monopod, the damned SR was set at the wrong 
> focal length and I had my Tokina 80-200 f2.8 zoom - all of which conspire 
> against sharpness.
> 
> Despite the softness I rather like it. Hope you do too. Comments always 
> welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

[Mark C]

On 5/7/2013 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote:


CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no 
longer find the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old 
pages to a creative suite landing page)


I just upgrade from CS5 to CS6 - Photoshop only (not extended). This is 
the link -


https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html?start=20

Don't be put off by the price - click on "Buy" and then click the drop 
down button on "I want to buy" and select "upgrade." Badda bing 
badda boom, there yous goes and it is only $199 is you qualify for 
the upgrade.


I upgraded because I do not want to be tethered to an internet 
connection. I very frequently find myself in places where there is no 
internet connection. they are just too wild. Of course, then I wake up 
and I am in bed and have to get to work and none of my photos are 
accessible...  but I really want to believe that I need something NOT 
tethered to the internet...


Mark

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Re: PESO: Pierced

[Christine Nielsen]

Thanks, Bruce!


On May 7, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

That's a lovely portrait, Christine.

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/8706054460/in/set-72157633397165725/
> 
> ... More accurately, it might be a CESO... I finally got around to
> upgrading to LR4, and re-importing the print templates... they are fun
> to play with to create collages, etc.
> 
> Images made with the K-01 & 40mm xs...
> 
> :)
> -c
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Re: PESO: Pierced

[Christine Nielsen]

Probably.  Her dad has the same fresh-faced glow

;)
-c


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On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 09:17:08AM -0400, Christine Nielsen wrote:
> 
> Thanks - and even more remarkable is that she looked that good right after 
> hockey practice.  :)

Probably has something to do with genetics.


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Danc graduation / Trophy Ball

[Collin Brendemuehl]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55001392@N08/sets/72157633429943883/

Ok, now I know these are visible ...


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RE: PESO - The Spring Ride

[Gerrit Visser]

The messy look is appealing, makes the photo less sterile, it might
otherwise have been a simple product shot.

Gerrit

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Subject: PESO - The Spring Ride

Taken a few weeks ago when the weather was a a bit messy - hence the small
mud specks on the otherwise clean bike.

Mostly though I just like the look of that Mavic 20 spoke hub and the bladed
aero spokes:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/04/the-spring-ride.html?m=1

Of course if you're not a "bikey" it may not be as exciting to you.

;-)

Comments always welcome.

Cheers,
frank

 

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RE: PESO - Wendy

[Gerrit Visser]

A warm feeling from the colours and graceful pose. The shot has a classic
look and feel to it.

Gerrit


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Subject: PESO - Wendy

hi, kids, I know I don't post here much, but I thought y'all might like this
one:

https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/XFCf77uy6tf


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RE: OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

[Gerrit Visser]

His method involved more personal artistry it seems to me. His ideas will
live on in some form as some up and coming artist will 'discover' his works
and build on them.

gerrit


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Subject: OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

An important film influence gone, although the reign of stop-motion effects
pretty much ended when Jurassic Park was released. I just adore Sam Raimi's
nod to Harryhausen's Argonaut skeletons in Army of Darkness.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/visual-effects-pioneer-ray-harryhausen-dies
-at-92

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Re: PESO Photo platform with a difference

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Quite Nice!

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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> Quick pic from last weekends air-show:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/IMGQ13387.JPG
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Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Quite interesting.  I prefer the second one by quite a bit.

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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> https://plus.google.com/+TimBray/posts/Kg8DqzwaSTy
>
> Off to our cabin on a Pacific-Northwest island; I left the enchanting
> Fuji mirrorless behind and took along the K-5 with a couple lenses,
> but never managed to take off the 100mm F2.8 macro.
>
> I still like the K-5 but... damn, it’s big and bulky and heavy, those
> prisms carry a cost.  -T
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Re: Dance Graduation

[Daniel J. Matyola]

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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Collin Brendemuehl
 wrote:
> Facebook warning:
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151589628174785&set=pcb.1015158963
> 6874785&type=1&theater
>
> Just a couple of them.
>
> Shot a bunch, and was shot, at our dance graduation.
> We've been taking dance lessons for the past several months.
> Was fun to do.
> K5 works well in this environment -- movement at modest speeds were caught
> with ease.
> Could use a faster-recycling flash (Promaster 2500).
>
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Re: PESO: Spring in Minnesota

[Charles Robinson]

On May 7, 2013, at 14:28 , Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> On Fri, May 03, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote:
>> 
>> One of the more difficult shots to take is one that makes it look like
>> it is really snowing.
>> 
>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/K5__0087.jpg
> 
> Cheer up!  Soon enough the season will change from Snow Repair to Road
> Removal.

Yup!

78F today, so we've jumped right from Winter to Summer, bypassing Spring 
altogether.

 -Charles

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RE: OT For the cyclists here

[Gerrit Visser]

I'm not worried about it, I am just pointing out that accidents cost money.
The costs are not paid for by some magic pot of money, it is for paid by all
us in some way or other.

Deaths are not likely the most expensive scenario, long term effects from
broken bodies is likely more costly to the system.
I also don't think I was centering out miscreant cyclists, although living
at Palace Place I had more than a few run ins with the more extreme
examples. I'm sure that in most cases the driver is at fault, people in
general don't pay much attention on the road. 
It is the general approach being proffered in the thread that it is up to
the individual to decide on whether to wear a helmet or seat belt. Those
individuals impose the costs of their decisions, in case of an incident, on
the rest of us via health care (taxes) and insurance costs (drivers are
insured, cyclists aren't).

gerrit

Getting another PESO ready


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Subject: RE: OT For the cyclists here

Relax!

You make it sound like huge sums of your money are paying for accidents
involving miscreant cyclists when in fact that's not the case.

What, have there been maybe three cycling deaths this year in Toronto? At
least two of them the cyclist was wearing a helmet.

Compared to all deaths in motor vehicle collisions it's a mere blip. Of your
huge premiums you likely pay a few pennies a year for cyclists' injuries and
deaths. 

Don't worry so much about it. 

Cheers,

frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Gerrit Visser 
Sent: May 7, 2013 5/7/13
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
Subject: RE: OT For the cyclists here

I own a car, therefor I pay insurance. Being able to choose which company
makes no difference as to who gets to use the money that I pay, I get no say
whatsover as to whose accidents get paid out or not. So really I have no
choice, I pay. Now suppose person x, a car driver insured by the same
company I am insured with, has an altercation with someone on a bicycle who
is also not wearing a helmet. Instead of bruises we now have concussion and
brain damage.

Insurance pays damages to cyclist eventually, health insurance (in this case
my tax money as it is Ontario) pays for the hospital care, other taxes pay
for ambulance, police, possibly helicopter etc. I have no idea if OHIP goes
after the insurance company for payment or not, but I doubt it.
If there are too many expensive cycling accidents involving cars, then the
rates go up, for everyone, not just that insurance company because the
probility of that risk occuring has gone up. Who is at fault makes no
difference, it is paid for out of 2 pools of $, both of which are funded by
in essence the public, by premiums or taxes or both. In the casse of car vs
cyclist incidents, the no-fault system doesn't even come into play, there is
only 1 insurance company involved.

So, that cyclists opinion that they have the freedom to not wear a helmet
potentially impacts a lot of peoples pockets. It certainly doesn't affect
theirs as they don't pay for insurance, except perhaps OHIP.  Yes, they lose
pay while in hospital depending on whether they have LTD coverage or not. If
they do, then , yes the insurance company who provides that pays out,
using the money many others including companies pay as premiums. The company
of course passes the expense to me, the consumer. There is no magic pool of
money that pays for stuff. We all pay, directly or indirectly.

My personal opinion is that many accidents are in fact negligence, sometimes
it is the perpertrator with an innocent victim, sometimes the victim is the
cause. And if negligent, then the person responsible should pay, directly,
some portion of the aftermath. Maybe insurance covers a lot but they need to
pay for their decision/negligence. It is called accountability. If you don't
want to wear a helmet or seatbelts, then pay for the repurcusions yourself.
That should maybe factor into the 'decision made by an adult in full
possesion of the facts'?.

Gerrit
Who is now going to post a PESO so that he is not considered a non-photo
contributing troll :-)

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Subject: RE: OT For the cyclists here

First off "public money" is tax money. That's who (in Canada at least) pays
for healthcare. Most of it, anyway.

The fact that your insurance premiums go into a pool and pay for the
collisions of others does not make it public money. You may choose your
insurance company, you may choose different levels of coverage or you may
choose not to pay insurance (if you don't drive a motor vehicle).

Most jurisdictions have a form of no fault system. That means that sometimes
a portion of the damages of a person at fault will be covered by

Re: PESO - Wendy

[Doug Brewer]

On 5/7/13 8:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Outstanding work, Doug. Beautifully styled and shot.


Thanks! And funny you should mentioned the styling. It had been a while 
since I saw that fainting couch, and I thought it went the other way, so 
I had a completely different shot in mind. I knew I wanted the doorway, 
and I knew the light would be good there, so we dinked around with a few 
poses. This is probably the middle of that set.




On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:

hi, kids, I know I don't post here much, but I thought y'all might like this
one:

https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/XFCf77uy6tf


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Re: PESO - Wendy

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On 5/7/13 8:13 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

That is beautiful on every level.

I hate you.

Cheers,
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hate you too, buddy. thank you.


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Re: PESO - Wendy

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Outstanding work, Doug. Beautifully styled and shot.

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> https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/XFCf77uy6tf
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Thomas Bohn]

2013/5/7 Bruce Walker :
> This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's
> Photoshop Clone" to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW
> formats, full layers, and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers
> will step up to the plate?

GIMP 2.10 will implement 16 bit. Will also have other nice features.
And most importantly, it will never have restrictions like Adobe will
force onto Photoshop users now.

Maybe many prosumers will take a shot at it. Maybe they will hate it, maybe not.

http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/whats-new-in-gimp-2-10

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RE: PESO - Wendy

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That is beautiful on every level.

I hate you.

Cheers,
frank

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Subject: PESO - Wendy

hi, kids, I know I don't post here much, but I thought y'all might like 
this one:

https://plus.google.com/115347824062413314605/posts/XFCf77uy6tf


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PESO - The Spring Ride

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Taken a few weeks ago when the weather was a a bit messy - hence the small mud 
specks on the otherwise clean bike.

Mostly though I just like the look of that Mavic 20 spoke hub and the bladed 
aero spokes:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/04/the-spring-ride.html?m=1

Of course if you're not a "bikey" it may not be as exciting to you.

;-)

Comments always welcome.

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Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

[steve harley]

on 2013-05-07 15:11 Paul Stenquist wrote

Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers Market 
last weekend.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766


vivid; great expression, composition and textures; wish photo.net could put it 
on a black background





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PESO - Wendy

[Doug Brewer]

hi, kids, I know I don't post here much, but I thought y'all might like 
this one:


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RE: PESO - Detroit Blues

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Beautiful shot, Paul.

Love the smile, the pose, what he's wearing, the light, well, pretty much 
everything.

His weathered guitar and that slide on his pink finger are icing on the cake.

Maybe your best photo of him yet!

cheers,
frank

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Subject: PESO - Detroit Blues

Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers Market 
last weekend.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766
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RE: PESO: Spring in Minnesota

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

That's a hell of a photo! We get a bit of snow up here (but not as much and as 
late as you) so I know how hard it can be to capture that.

Too bad for the late snow, but you made the best of it with that photo!

;-)

Cheers,
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From: Charles Robinson 
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Subject: PESO: Spring in Minnesota

One of the more difficult shots to take is one that makes it look like it is 
really snowing.

This seems to capture the essence:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/K5__0087.jpg

Very disappointing.  

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Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

[Larry Colen]

BTW, it is an excellent photo in all regards, not just the focus.

On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:10:52PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Thanks Larry. I've never had a problem with focus when a microphone is in the 
> foreground. I use a single focus point-- the top one in this car with the 
> camera held vertically -- and lock it in on the closest eye. I shot about 20 
> frames of Paul and all are in focus. 

That is pretty much exactly my procedure.  A week and a half ago, I just gave 
up and switched to manual focus (mostly with the cosina 80-200/2.8).  Then 
again, I was shooting indoors. I wonder if it's a K-5/K-5II thing.  A low light 
thing. Or if I just have a magic field that breaks autofocus so that it always 
focuses on the microphone if there is one anyplace in the frame. Or maybe it 
focuses on the musician, but it front focuses so it seems as if it focuses on 
the microphone.

In any case, that's a great shot, both technically and artistically.  Congrats.

Have you shared a photo of him before?  Maybe in a straw hat?

> 
> Paul
> On May 7, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:11:35PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >> Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers 
> >> Market last weekend.
> >> 
> >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766
> > 
> > Excellent photo Paul!
> > You nailed the focus, even with a microphone in the frame.  I'm impressed.
> > 
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Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

[Paul Stenquist]

That would be "the top one in this case"

On May 7, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Thanks Larry. I've never had a problem with focus when a microphone is in the 
> foreground. I use a single focus point-- the top one in this car with the 
> camera held vertically -- and lock it in on the closest eye. I shot about 20 
> frames of Paul and all are in focus. 
> 
> Paul
> On May 7, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:11:35PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers 
>>> Market last weekend.
>>> 
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766
>> 
>> Excellent photo Paul!
>> You nailed the focus, even with a microphone in the frame.  I'm impressed.
>> 
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Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Larry. I've never had a problem with focus when a microphone is in the 
foreground. I use a single focus point-- the top one in this car with the 
camera held vertically -- and lock it in on the closest eye. I shot about 20 
frames of Paul and all are in focus. 

Paul
On May 7, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:11:35PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers 
>> Market last weekend.
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766
> 
> Excellent photo Paul!
> You nailed the focus, even with a microphone in the frame.  I'm impressed.
> 
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Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

[David J Brooks]

Another great shot

Dave

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> Market last weekend.
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Mark Roberts]

steve harley wrote:

>on 2013-05-07 15:04 Mark Roberts wrote
>> How much would you bet that as soon as these new "cloud" versions come
>> on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly
>> with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into
>> "upgrades" they otherwise wouldn't need?
>
>one hasn't been able to open InDesign files in a previous version for several 
>years; there is only a one-version "downgrade export", and IDML (which is 
>imperfect and also has version considerations)

This is exactly the kind of thing I'm complaining about.
 
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Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

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On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 05:11:35PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers 
> Market last weekend.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17264766

Excellent photo Paul!
You nailed the focus, even with a microphone in the frame.  I'm impressed.


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Re: PESO: Pierced

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 09:17:08AM -0400, Christine Nielsen wrote:
> 
> Thanks - and even more remarkable is that she looked that good right after 
> hockey practice.  :)

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RE: OT For the cyclists here

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Relax!

You make it sound like huge sums of your money are paying for accidents 
involving miscreant cyclists when in fact that's not the case.

What, have there been maybe three cycling deaths this year in Toronto? At least 
two of them the cyclist was wearing a helmet.

Compared to all deaths in motor vehicle collisions it's a mere blip. Of your 
huge premiums you likely pay a few pennies a year for cyclists' injuries and 
deaths. 

Don't worry so much about it. 

Cheers,

frank

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From: Gerrit Visser 
Sent: May 7, 2013 5/7/13
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Subject: RE: OT For the cyclists here

I own a car, therefor I pay insurance. Being able to choose which company
makes no difference as to who gets to use the money that I pay, I get no say
whatsover as to whose accidents get paid out or not. So really I have no
choice, I pay. Now suppose person x, a car driver insured by the same
company I am insured with, has an altercation with someone on a bicycle who
is also not wearing a helmet. Instead of bruises we now have concussion and
brain damage.

Insurance pays damages to cyclist eventually, health insurance (in this case
my tax money as it is Ontario) pays for the hospital care, other taxes pay
for ambulance, police, possibly helicopter etc. I have no idea if OHIP goes
after the insurance company for payment or not, but I doubt it.
If there are too many expensive cycling accidents involving cars, then the
rates go up, for everyone, not just that insurance company because the
probility of that risk occuring has gone up. Who is at fault makes no
difference, it is paid for out of 2 pools of $, both of which are funded by
in essence the public, by premiums or taxes or both. In the casse of car vs
cyclist incidents, the no-fault system doesn't even come into play, there is
only 1 insurance company involved.

So, that cyclists opinion that they have the freedom to not wear a helmet
potentially impacts a lot of peoples pockets. It certainly doesn't affect
theirs as they don't pay for insurance, except perhaps OHIP.  Yes, they lose
pay while in hospital depending on whether they have LTD coverage or not. If
they do, then , yes the insurance company who provides that pays out,
using the money many others including companies pay as premiums. The company
of course passes the expense to me, the consumer. There is no magic pool of
money that pays for stuff. We all pay, directly or indirectly.

My personal opinion is that many accidents are in fact negligence, sometimes
it is the perpertrator with an innocent victim, sometimes the victim is the
cause. And if negligent, then the person responsible should pay, directly,
some portion of the aftermath. Maybe insurance covers a lot but they need to
pay for their decision/negligence. It is called accountability. If you don't
want to wear a helmet or seatbelts, then pay for the repurcusions yourself.
That should maybe factor into the 'decision made by an adult in full
possesion of the facts'?.

Gerrit
Who is now going to post a PESO so that he is not considered a non-photo
contributing troll :-)

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Subject: RE: OT For the cyclists here

First off "public money" is tax money. That's who (in Canada at least) pays
for healthcare. Most of it, anyway.

The fact that your insurance premiums go into a pool and pay for the
collisions of others does not make it public money. You may choose your
insurance company, you may choose different levels of coverage or you may
choose not to pay insurance (if you don't drive a motor vehicle).

Most jurisdictions have a form of no fault system. That means that sometimes
a portion of the damages of a person at fault will be covered by your
insurance provider.

Usually no-fault benefits are fairly minimal and are not a major cost to the
system; that's why the insurance industry lobbied long and hard to have the
government implement such a system. The big awards, the "pain and
suffering", "punitive damages" and "loss of future wages" tend to still be
fault-based.

The bottom line is that large amounts "public funds" rarely get into the
hands of one who is at fault in any motor vehicle accident.

Cheers,
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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[steve harley]

on 2013-05-07 1:05 Bob W wrote

Second, people take part in all sorts of activities which damage their health 
one way or another, from driving cars, to eating meat, drinking alcohol, 
climbing mountains, and taking drugs. These things are all costing the public 
purse, in many cases far more than cycling does (in fact, cycling is a net 
contribution to the public purse) and the argument you put forward for cyclists 
applies equally or in greater measure to many other activities. But nobody 
suggests similar measures for these activities, so why cycling?


the merits aside, i don't think that's correct; society accepts many 
restrictions on individual liberty designed to reduce specific risks, and lots 
of people suggest stronger regulations and more direct "preventatives"; however 
the risk assessments and countermeasures tend to be tremendously subjective and 
unbalanced, sometimes to the point of ridiculousness



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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[steve harley]

on 2013-05-07 15:51 Charles Robinson wrote

I mean, seriously, I can't even visualize/imagine the situation that would 
demonstrate this to be true.


i can imagine it, but i doubt it's a significant counterweight to the benefits 
of helmets; given the helmets secure fastenings and basic integrity, i can 
image a helmet snags an obstruction, causing trauma (like a broken neck) that 
wouldn't have happened if the helmet weren't worn




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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Charles Robinson]

On May 7, 2013, at 15:45 , Bob W  wrote:
> 
> In addition, the helmets that do exist can also be responsible for 
> aggravating injuries under some circumstances where no injury would otherwise 
> have occurred.
> 

I've seen this statement trotted out many times but have never heard of a true 
study coming up with anything relevant to support this.

Sounds like a load of hooey to me.

I mean, seriously, I can't even visualize/imagine the situation that would 
demonstrate this to be true.  

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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[steve harley]

on 2013-05-07 15:04 Mark Roberts wrote

How much would you bet that as soon as these new "cloud" versions come
on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly
with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into
"upgrades" they otherwise wouldn't need?


one hasn't been able to open InDesign files in a previous version for several 
years; there is only a one-version "downgrade export", and IDML (which is 
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Re: PESO - Detroit Blues

[Bruce Walker]

There's his next CD cover photo. :-) Most excellent. Light and detail
is perfect; great expression.

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> Market last weekend.
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Re: OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

[Bruce Walker]

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>
>>An important film influence gone, although the reign of stop-motion
>>effects pretty much ended when Jurassic Park was released.
>
> Wallace and Gromit beg to differ!
> ;-)

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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[steve harley]

on 2013-05-07 13:40 Bruce Walker wrote

Steve, apparently you can make an "annual commitment" and get lower
prices as well as reduced checkin frequency.

http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2013/05/answering-your-questions-about-photoshop-cc.html


i made an annual commitment 12 months ago and it checked in at least monthly

the link is a bit ambiguous; the two possible interpretations are:

1) there is now also an annual *prepaid* option, which will please some 
business users


and/or

2) Adobe has changed the check-in period on the annual commitment (though it is 
billed monthly)


in the latter case a user could theoretically cancel the credit card and keep 
using the software for 5 more months unpaid; i don't know whether Adobe would 
consider the attendant hassles a worthwhile risk


the language (from your link):


Q: I don’t want to have to be online constantly to use my software.

A: You only have to be online to download and activate your software. Customers 
with an annual membership, who have provided a credit card to be used to renew 
their 12-month prepaid membership, will be able to use products for 3 months 
(99 days) when offline. Month-to-month customers will still need to validate 
every 30 days. The validation process is very lightweight and can be done over 
dial-up, tethered/connected to a mobile device, or at a wireless access point 
at a coffee shop.


(180, not 99) days per a comment on the posting)


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PESO - Detroit Blues

[Paul Stenquist]

Paul Miles, our resident blues man, performing at the Birmingham Farmers Market 
last weekend.

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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Mark Roberts]

How much would you bet that as soon as these new "cloud" versions come
on the market we find Adobe has changed file formats (particularly
with Illustrator and InDesign) to deliberately force people into
"upgrades" they otherwise wouldn't need?

 
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Re: OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

[Mark Roberts]

Bruce Walker wrote:

>An important film influence gone, although the reign of stop-motion
>effects pretty much ended when Jurassic Park was released.

Wallace and Gromit beg to differ!
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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

>In addition, the helmets that do exist can also be responsible for aggravating 
>injuries under some circumstances where no injury would otherwise have 
>occurred.

I believe this to be an urban legend. I have never seen any
peer-reviewed documentation of such effects (and I have looked —
having indirect access to PubMed can be useful).

 
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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Bob W]

On 7 May 2013, at 21:29, "Gerrit Visser"  wrote:

> . Instead of bruises we now have concussion and
> brain damage

Unfortunately for your argument your premise is wrong. Cycle helmets are not 
designed to protect against the kind of impact that would make such a large 
difference to injuries. Any helmet that did provide that much protection would 
make it impossible to ride a bike safely.

In addition, the helmets that do exist can also be responsible for aggravating 
injuries under some circumstances where no injury would otherwise have occurred.

Insurance companies have often tried to avoid or reduce their payouts by 
blaming the cyclist, but so far they have not been able to get away with it. If 
they could, they would.

And, as stated earlier, the public purse argument doesn't work because cyclists 
are positive contributors, rather than beneficiaries. Similarly, for insurance 
companies to reduce their liabilities they should be concentrating on improving 
driving standards and making cyclist training more widely available. That will 
save more people from injury and death, and therefore save more insurance and 
tax money, than any number of bicycle helmets.

B

> I own a car, therefor I pay insurance. Being able to choose which company
> makes no difference as to who gets to use the money that I pay, I get no say
> whatsover as to whose accidents get paid out or not. So really I have no
> choice, I pay. Now suppose person x, a car driver insured by the same
> company I am insured with, has an altercation with someone on a bicycle who
> is also not wearing a helmet. Instead of bruises we now have concussion and
> brain damage.
> 
> Insurance pays damages to cyclist eventually, health insurance (in this case
> my tax money as it is Ontario) pays for the hospital care, other taxes pay
> for ambulance, police, possibly helicopter etc. I have no idea if OHIP goes
> after the insurance company for payment or not, but I doubt it. 
> If there are too many expensive cycling accidents involving cars, then the
> rates go up, for everyone, not just that insurance company because the
> probility of that risk occuring has gone up. Who is at fault makes no
> difference, it is paid for out of 2 pools of $, both of which are funded by
> in essence the public, by premiums or taxes or both. In the casse of car vs
> cyclist incidents, the no-fault system doesn't even come into play, there is
> only 1 insurance company involved.
> 
> So, that cyclists opinion that they have the freedom to not wear a helmet
> potentially impacts a lot of peoples pockets. It certainly doesn't affect
> theirs as they don't pay for insurance, except perhaps OHIP.  Yes, they lose
> pay while in hospital depending on whether they have LTD coverage or not. If
> they do, then , yes the insurance company who provides that pays out,
> using the money many others including companies pay as premiums. The company
> of course passes the expense to me, the consumer. There is no magic pool of
> money that pays for stuff. We all pay, directly or indirectly.
> 
> My personal opinion is that many accidents are in fact negligence, sometimes
> it is the perpertrator with an innocent victim, sometimes the victim is the
> cause. And if negligent, then the person responsible should pay, directly,
> some portion of the aftermath. Maybe insurance covers a lot but they need to
> pay for their decision/negligence. It is called accountability. If you don't
> want to wear a helmet or seatbelts, then pay for the repurcusions yourself.
> That should maybe factor into the 'decision made by an adult in full
> possesion of the facts'?.
> 
> Gerrit
> Who is now going to post a PESO so that he is not considered a non-photo
> contributing troll :-)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> knarftheria...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:27 PM
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: RE: OT For the cyclists here
> 
> First off "public money" is tax money. That's who (in Canada at least) pays
> for healthcare. Most of it, anyway.
> 
> The fact that your insurance premiums go into a pool and pay for the
> collisions of others does not make it public money. You may choose your
> insurance company, you may choose different levels of coverage or you may
> choose not to pay insurance (if you don't drive a motor vehicle).
> 
> Most jurisdictions have a form of no fault system. That means that sometimes
> a portion of the damages of a person at fault will be covered by your
> insurance provider.
> 
> Usually no-fault benefits are fairly minimal and are not a major cost to the
> system; that's why the insurance industry lobbied long and hard to have the
> government implement such a system. The big awards, the "pain and
> suffering", "punitive damages" and "loss of future wages" tend to still be
> fault-based.
> 
> The bottom line is that large amounts "public funds" rarely get into the
> hands of one who is at fault 

RE: OT For the cyclists here

[Gerrit Visser]

I own a car, therefor I pay insurance. Being able to choose which company
makes no difference as to who gets to use the money that I pay, I get no say
whatsover as to whose accidents get paid out or not. So really I have no
choice, I pay. Now suppose person x, a car driver insured by the same
company I am insured with, has an altercation with someone on a bicycle who
is also not wearing a helmet. Instead of bruises we now have concussion and
brain damage.

Insurance pays damages to cyclist eventually, health insurance (in this case
my tax money as it is Ontario) pays for the hospital care, other taxes pay
for ambulance, police, possibly helicopter etc. I have no idea if OHIP goes
after the insurance company for payment or not, but I doubt it.
If there are too many expensive cycling accidents involving cars, then the
rates go up, for everyone, not just that insurance company because the
probility of that risk occuring has gone up. Who is at fault makes no
difference, it is paid for out of 2 pools of $, both of which are funded by
in essence the public, by premiums or taxes or both. In the casse of car vs
cyclist incidents, the no-fault system doesn't even come into play, there is
only 1 insurance company involved.

So, that cyclists opinion that they have the freedom to not wear a helmet
potentially impacts a lot of peoples pockets. It certainly doesn't affect
theirs as they don't pay for insurance, except perhaps OHIP.  Yes, they lose
pay while in hospital depending on whether they have LTD coverage or not. If
they do, then , yes the insurance company who provides that pays out,
using the money many others including companies pay as premiums. The company
of course passes the expense to me, the consumer. There is no magic pool of
money that pays for stuff. We all pay, directly or indirectly.

My personal opinion is that many accidents are in fact negligence, sometimes
it is the perpertrator with an innocent victim, sometimes the victim is the
cause. And if negligent, then the person responsible should pay, directly,
some portion of the aftermath. Maybe insurance covers a lot but they need to
pay for their decision/negligence. It is called accountability. If you don't
want to wear a helmet or seatbelts, then pay for the repurcusions yourself.
That should maybe factor into the 'decision made by an adult in full
possesion of the facts'?.

Gerrit
Who is now going to post a PESO so that he is not considered a non-photo
contributing troll :-)

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Subject: RE: OT For the cyclists here

First off "public money" is tax money. That's who (in Canada at least) pays
for healthcare. Most of it, anyway.

The fact that your insurance premiums go into a pool and pay for the
collisions of others does not make it public money. You may choose your
insurance company, you may choose different levels of coverage or you may
choose not to pay insurance (if you don't drive a motor vehicle).

Most jurisdictions have a form of no fault system. That means that sometimes
a portion of the damages of a person at fault will be covered by your
insurance provider.

Usually no-fault benefits are fairly minimal and are not a major cost to the
system; that's why the insurance industry lobbied long and hard to have the
government implement such a system. The big awards, the "pain and
suffering", "punitive damages" and "loss of future wages" tend to still be
fault-based.

The bottom line is that large amounts "public funds" rarely get into the
hands of one who is at fault in any motor vehicle accident.

Cheers,
frank



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OT RIP film effects pioneer Ray Harryhausen

[Bruce Walker]

An important film influence gone, although the reign of stop-motion
effects pretty much ended when Jurassic Park was released. I just
adore Sam Raimi's nod to Harryhausen's Argonaut skeletons in Army of
Darkness.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/visual-effects-pioneer-ray-harryhausen-dies-at-92

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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Aahz Maruch]

On Tue, May 07, 2013, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The fact that your insurance premiums go into a pool and pay for the
> collisions of others does not make it public money. You may choose
> your insurance company, you may choose different levels of coverage
> or you may choose not to pay insurance (if you don't drive a motor
> vehicle).

Choice is overrated.  The vast majority of people have strictly limited
ability to choose, if only because time is finite.  There are more and
more recent studies showing this -- for example, 401k participation
skyrockets when the default is opt-in rather than opt-out.

For the non-US: "401k" is a kind of private pension system

There are significant societal benefits to steering people into default
choices that are better, although I'm certainly libertarian enough that
I'd prefer benefits for compliance rather than penalties for failure to
comply.

On the gripping hand, "societal benefit" is very much a political topic.
For example, the obesity panic turns out to have little scientific
evidence behind it.

This probably ties into buying camera equipment somehow...
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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Bob W]

On 7 May 2013, at 20:32, Bob W  wrote:

> On 7 May 2013, at 17:39, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 07/05/2013 9:02 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote:
>>> But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance
>>> companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me.
>>> My premiums go to pay for someone else's incident.
>>> Its not like the person who had the incident is taking responsibility and
>>> paying the expenses themselves.
>> An insurance company has the option of opting out and letting you die. A 
>> public health care system doesn't have that privilege. As for Mr Walkdens 
>> rather weak arguments, one could use the same talking points to decry seat 
>> belt use.
> 
> Which indeed I do.
> 
> B

Just to expand on that  - i disagree with compulsion in wearing seat-belts just 
as I do with cycle helmets and the compulsory wearing of anything by anyone.

Adults in full possession of the facts and their faculties should be free to do 
whatever they want as long as they don't limit enjoyment of the same rights by 
others.

I do, in fact, buckle up when I'm in the car because 

1. the arguments in favour are much stronger than those against
2. The stupid law says I have to
3. The driver is liable for the passengers, so if I'm driving I set an example, 
if I'm not I don't have the right to push the responsibility onto the driver

These are fundamentally different from the cycle helmet arguments.

B

> 
>> The point is, we limit injury when we can.
>> 
>> 

No we don't. If we did there'd be no cars on the road, and no fat people 
slumped in their couches eating McDos and supersize Cokes between drags on 
their Marlboros.

People are free to eat themselves to death at our expense, they should be free 
to crack their heads on the pavement ditto.

B
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Re: PESO - Dis

[Toralf Lund]

On 5/6/13 23:42, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 6 May 2013 05:25, Toralf Lund  wrote:

Oslo on a hazy day: http://se.toralf.net/post/49708433031/dis

I like that, not sure exactly why though,

Hmmm. I think that means I did something right.

  I like the odd composition,
the vertical alignment and the reflections off the wet boards, it also
reminds me of one of my shots from long ago :)

:-)

Odd? What do you mean odd? But wait, that's also good, I believe. And, I 
suppose it was the reflections I was mainly trying to catch. Also, those 
towers are always a bit interesting...


Thanks,

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Re: PESO: Pierced

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That's a lovely portrait, Christine.

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/8706054460/in/set-72157633397165725/
>
> ... More accurately, it might be a CESO... I finally got around to
> upgrading to LR4, and re-importing the print templates... they are fun
> to play with to create collages, etc.
>
> Images made with the K-01 & 40mm xs...
>
> :)
> -c
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Bruce Walker]

Steve, apparently you can make an "annual commitment" and get lower
prices as well as reduced checkin frequency.

http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2013/05/answering-your-questions-about-photoshop-cc.html


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:14 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> on 2013-05-07 10:05 Bruce Walker wrote
>
>> Gerrit, "mechanically" the CC apps behave like Adobe apps of old when
>> you bought the download (no-box) version. Ie: you download a
>> multi-megabyte file which you install, then run the app entirely on
>> your workstation. Load and Save works as before for local files;
>> nothing has changed there. No forced storing in the cloud.
>>
>> So the Cloud moniker is a bit of marketing hype.
>
>
> yes, it's a software subscription with a very misleading name; use of the
> software has nothing to do with "clouds"; i have completely ignore the cloud
> storage part (and refuse to use Adobe's name for my software subscription)
>
>
>
>> If you subscribe annually the legality check only occurs every 180
>> days, so you could go off on a long trip and not worry -- in theory.
>> Who knows in practice?
>
>
> i have had an annual agreement (monthly payments) since last May and it
> definitely checks in at least monthly, and has caused me hassles when i
> don't use at least one app in the suite once a month; others have had big
> problems when the associated credit card expired (Adobe just turned off the
> software, and it was not easy to get it restored)
>
> or do you mean if you pay for a year in advance? if that's possible now it's
> a new feature, probably in response to some very pointed complaints from
> people who would have preferred an annual invoice
>
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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Bob W]

On 7 May 2013, at 17:39, Bill  wrote:

> On 07/05/2013 9:02 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote:
>> But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance
>> companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me.
>> My premiums go to pay for someone else's incident.
>> Its not like the person who had the incident is taking responsibility and
>> paying the expenses themselves.
> An insurance company has the option of opting out and letting you die. A 
> public health care system doesn't have that privilege. As for Mr Walkdens 
> rather weak arguments, one could use the same talking points to decry seat 
> belt use.

Which indeed I do.

B

> The point is, we limit injury when we can.
> 
> bill
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Re: PESO: Spring in Minnesota

[Aahz Maruch]

On Fri, May 03, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
> One of the more difficult shots to take is one that makes it look like
> it is really snowing.
>
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/K5__0087.jpg

Cheer up!  Soon enough the season will change from Snow Repair to Road
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Re: Geso My Spring Flowers

[Don Guthrie]

Thanks Rod, alas the bluebells are gone & the Magnolia petals got burned 
by the snow but daffys sprung back. Waiting for the next round.


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Message: 12 Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:13:18 +1000 From: Rob Studdert
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 4 May 2013 01:36, Don
Guthrie  wrote:

>So it is in defiance of winter that I post these Spring photos taken in the
>days before the storm. I used several lenses and a couple of cameras here.
>One or two of the "daffy" pix may have been taken with my OLY - purists may
>avert their eyes. Join me in my efforts to start Spring. DIE WINTER DIE!

Great gallery, I love the first bluebell shot, we are just
experiencing the first of the cold here.

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Re: OT enablement

[Larry Colen]

On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:32:28AM -0600, Bill wrote:
> On 07/05/2013 12:31 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >I was visiting a friend tonight, and his wife had
> >mentioned having an old film nikon she no longer
> >used and wanted to give to me.  Turns out it was
> >an FG. It also turns out that it has something wrong
> >with it. The mirror is stuck in the up position,
> >and the shutter won't cock.
> FG was an acronym for Fucking Garbage. It is the absolutely worst
> camera Nikon put their name onto.
> You can try putting a couple of batteries into it, and then smack
> the base of the camera into the palm of your hand HARD to make the
> mirror drop.

Or I can set it to m90, at which point it no longer needs the battery
to take a photo.  The battery was just dead. 

> You might fix the mirror lock up, but you might also break the flex
> board that runs from the shutter button over the prism and to the
> electronics on the other side. (if the board isn't already snapped.
> 
> >
> >However, it also came with an AIS mount Nikkor 50/1.8.
> >The one Nikon lens I was seriously missing was a fast
> >standard.
> Is it the AIS or the Series E?

I'm not aware of the difference, though one of my 100 or 105s has
an "e" in the description (105e/2.8?)

This is a Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 4057598
It's about twice the size of my DA 40 ltd and about half the 
size of my DA 35 macro.

> >
> >Even cooler, she also gave me a micro Nikkor 55/2.8
> >1:1 macro lens.
> Nice lens.
> 
> bill
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

[steve harley]

on 2013-05-07 10:51 John Sessoms wrote

There was no upgrade to CS6, only to CS6 Extended Edition. Cost $400 from CS5.


there was an upgrade to the non-"Extended" Photoshop CS6 for $200

CS6 upgrades were only available directly from Adobe, so i can no longer find 
the upgrade pricing page (Adobe has redirected many old pages to a creative 
suite landing page)


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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[steve harley]

on 2013-05-07 10:05 Bruce Walker wrote

Gerrit, "mechanically" the CC apps behave like Adobe apps of old when
you bought the download (no-box) version. Ie: you download a
multi-megabyte file which you install, then run the app entirely on
your workstation. Load and Save works as before for local files;
nothing has changed there. No forced storing in the cloud.

So the Cloud moniker is a bit of marketing hype.


yes, it's a software subscription with a very misleading name; use of the 
software has nothing to do with "clouds"; i have completely ignore the cloud 
storage part (and refuse to use Adobe's name for my software subscription)




If you subscribe annually the legality check only occurs every 180
days, so you could go off on a long trip and not worry -- in theory.
Who knows in practice?


i have had an annual agreement (monthly payments) since last May and it 
definitely checks in at least monthly, and has caused me hassles when i don't 
use at least one app in the suite once a month; others have had big problems 
when the associated credit card expired (Adobe just turned off the software, 
and it was not easy to get it restored)


or do you mean if you pay for a year in advance? if that's possible now it's a 
new feature, probably in response to some very pointed complaints from people 
who would have preferred an annual invoice



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Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

[Bruce Walker]

Very nice, Frank.

Sent from my iPod

On 2013-05-06, at 10:38 PM, "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
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> They've been back for several weeks but this is the first good look I've had:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/05/first-grebe-of-year.html?m=1
> 
> Unfortunately I didn't have my monopod, the damned SR was set at the wrong 
> focal length and I had my Tokina 80-200 f2.8 zoom - all of which conspire 
> against sharpness.
> 
> Despite the softness I rather like it. Hope you do too. Comments always 
> welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> "For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and 
> spontaneity." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

[George Sinos]

John - One of the OnOne products has layers. gs
George Sinos

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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Christine Nielsen
>>
>> Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of
>> last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4.  Now, I have to
>> purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I
>> guess.  I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so
>> I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about
>> using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export
>> from LR, then open in Ps...
>>
>> We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4...
>
>
> There was no upgrade to CS6, only to CS6 Extended Edition. Cost $400 from
> CS5.
>
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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[DagT]

I started using a helmet after a friend og mine reminded me that my head was no 
longer just mine. I have three kids depending to s scary degree  on the work I 
do with my brain, so I should do something to protect it.

DagT


7. mai 2013 kl. 07:51 skrev Philip Northeast :

> There is bit more detail in this article, by the same author
> 
> http://theconversation.com/bike-helmets-an-emergency-doctors-perspective-13935
> 
> 
> I do not ride my motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet.
> 
> Philip Northeast
> 
> www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au
> 
> On 7/05/13 11:40 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>> Discussions around sex, religion, politics and the controversy
>> surrounding bicycle helmets are usually shunned but I thought that
>> this article may be of interest:
>> 
>> http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=11488


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RE: OT For the cyclists here

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

First off "public money" is tax money. That's who (in Canada at least) pays for 
healthcare. Most of it, anyway.

The fact that your insurance premiums go into a pool and pay for the collisions 
of others does not make it public money. You may choose your insurance company, 
you may choose different levels of coverage or you may choose not to pay 
insurance (if you don't drive a motor vehicle).

Most jurisdictions have a form of no fault system. That means that sometimes a 
portion of the damages of a person at fault will be covered by your insurance 
provider.

Usually no-fault benefits are fairly minimal and are not a major cost to the 
system; that's why the insurance industry lobbied long and hard to have the 
government implement such a system. The big awards, the "pain and suffering", 
"punitive damages" and "loss of future wages" tend to still be fault-based.

The bottom line is that large amounts "public funds" rarely get into the hands 
of one who is at fault in any motor vehicle accident.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Gerrit Visser 
Sent: May 7, 2013 5/7/13
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
Subject: RE: OT For the cyclists here

But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance
companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me.
My premiums go to pay for someone else's incident.
Its not like the person who had the incident is taking responsibility and
paying the expenses themselves.

Gerrit

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Subject: Re: OT For the cyclists here

There is an argument that one who dies early will cost the healthcare system
far less than someone who lingers in into their golden years, health
declining as they age.

If the accident involves an automobile liability will be covered (at least
partially).

For those reasons and for the reasons as articulated by Bob W. I am all for
being libertarian when it comes to helmet laws for adults.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Bill 
Sent: May 7, 2013 5/7/13
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT For the cyclists here

On 06/05/2013 9:31 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> While we're at it why don't we start discussions about abortion, gun 
> control and the existence of God? (yes, yes and no, fwiw)
>
> For some reason helmets give rise to the same intensity of discussions
among cyclists (not just on this list btw).
>
> As for me, don't care what any study says I like wearing them and will
continue to do so. Others can do what they want, don't so much care, as long
as they're adults it's their personal decision, I won't judge either way.
>
In general I agree with your attitude, except when it comes to public
liability. In our country, it is costing the public purse more for
unhelmeted riders who conk their noggins. If we had private insurance, I
would say it's between the rider and his insurance company, but in a
publicly funded system, the cards play a little differently.

bill

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Dance Graduation

[Collin Brendemuehl]

Facebook warning:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151589628174785&set=pcb.1015158963
6874785&type=1&theater

Just a couple of them.

Shot a bunch, and was shot, at our dance graduation.
We've been taking dance lessons for the past several months.
Was fun to do.
K5 works well in this environment -- movement at modest speeds were caught
with ease.
Could use a faster-recycling flash (Promaster 2500).



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Re: OT enablement

[Collin Brendemuehl]

>FG was an acronym for Fucking Garbage. It is the absolutely worst camera 
>Nikon put their name onto.
>You can try putting a couple of batteries into it, and then smack the 
>base of the camera into the palm of your hand HARD to make the mirror drop.
>You might fix the mirror lock up, but you might also break the flex 
>board that runs from the shutter button over the prism and to the 
>electronics on the other side. (if the board isn't already snapped.

The Cosina-made FM-10 and FE-10 were worse


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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

[John Sessoms]

From: Christine Nielsen

Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of
last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4.  Now, I have to
purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I
guess.  I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so
I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about
using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export
from LR, then open in Ps...

We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4...


There was no upgrade to CS6, only to CS6 Extended Edition. Cost $400 
from CS5.


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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

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On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:29:14AM -0500, George Sinos wrote:
> I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom
> alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two.  It's
> also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik
> products would handle a lot of photographer needs.
> 
> Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you
> need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC.

Until Lightroom goes to the subscription model in a year or two ...

I could, perhaps, consider this as the only way to get access to new
versions of the CS applications.  But I find it unacceptable to be
forced into paying a monthly fee in perpetuity just so I can continue
to use an application. When you stop paying, you don't just lose your
access to upgrades and bugfixes; you lose all access to the program.



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RE: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

[John Sessoms]

From: "Gerrit Visser"

One of the falacies of cloud anything is that everyone has good internet
access, esp. upload speeds. This is not the case in most rural areas of
North America. I would go so far as to say that in Canada it is not even
true in urban areas. Until recently my upload was a stellar 512kb/s.

While these apps run on your machine, they intrinsically rely on upload to a
cloud service to share the output. In the myths section it isn't clear if
you can store the files anywhere that you please or if you must store in a
cloud folder.


Not to mention what are you going to do if the FBI decides Adobe's cloud 
is the new "Megaupload"?



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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Mark Roberts]

Christine Nielsen  wrote:

>Yeah, I think if you are in an upgrade/purchase cycle every 18 months
>or so, anyway, it isn't so horrible.

Yes, it's the people who only upgrade every other version (or every
third version) who are really screwed. They will now have to pay as
much as the regular upgraders have always paid.

Also, the people who bought legal copies but never allowed the
software to "phone home", as Adobe software does so frequently and
enthusiastically, will be screwed. (Adobe Bridge makes close to a
hundred attempts to get through my firewall every time I load it.)

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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop, replacement

[John Sessoms]

From: George Sinos

I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom
alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two.  It's
also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik
products would handle a lot of photographer needs.

Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you
need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC.


Lightroom don't got layers.

Onions got layers, Ogres got layers ... I like layers.

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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[Bill]

On 07/05/2013 9:02 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote:

But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance
companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me.
My premiums go to pay for someone else's incident.
Its not like the person who had the incident is taking responsibility and
paying the expenses themselves.

An insurance company has the option of opting out and letting you die. A 
public health care system doesn't have that privilege. As for Mr 
Walkdens rather weak arguments, one could use the same talking points to 
decry seat belt use.

The point is, we limit injury when we can.

bill

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Re: OT enablement

[Bill]

On 07/05/2013 12:31 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I was visiting a friend tonight, and his wife had
mentioned having an old film nikon she no longer
used and wanted to give to me.  Turns out it was
an FG. It also turns out that it has something wrong
with it. The mirror is stuck in the up position,
and the shutter won't cock.
FG was an acronym for Fucking Garbage. It is the absolutely worst camera 
Nikon put their name onto.
You can try putting a couple of batteries into it, and then smack the 
base of the camera into the palm of your hand HARD to make the mirror drop.
You might fix the mirror lock up, but you might also break the flex 
board that runs from the shutter button over the prism and to the 
electronics on the other side. (if the board isn't already snapped.




However, it also came with an AIS mount Nikkor 50/1.8.
The one Nikon lens I was seriously missing was a fast
standard.

Is it the AIS or the Series E?
  


Even cooler, she also gave me a micro Nikkor 55/2.8
1:1 macro lens.

Nice lens.

bill

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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Christine Nielsen]

Yeah, I think if you are in an upgrade/purchase cycle every 18 months
or so, anyway, it isn't so horrible.  I just checked amazon - they are
selling cs6 for $620 right now... At $120/year for the Ps CC
subscription, well... I'm still aggravated that I didn't upgrade to
CS6 when I had the chance, but I'll probably take that deal, just to
fix the "edit in" bugs I have now.

Sigh.  They moved our cheese.

:)
-c

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> You can still buy CS6 and will be able to for some time. The link can
> be hard to find, but Scott provides it in his FAQ. (It's super-long
> else I'd just paste it here.)
>
> If you decide to go for the subscription and you own CS3 or later, you
> can get the Ps CC subscription for $9.99/month until July 31st. That
> price is only for a year, but one of the Adobe spokesmen said they'd
> urge that being upgraded to 5 years.
>
> At that price it becomes more palatable ... barely.
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
>> Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of
>> last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4.  Now, I have to
>> purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I
>> guess.  I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so
>> I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about
>> using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export
>> from LR, then open in Ps...
>>
>> We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4...
>>
>> -c
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>>> I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom
>>> alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two.  It's
>>> also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik
>>> products would handle a lot of photographer needs.
>>>
>>> Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you
>>> need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC.
>>>
>>> GS
>>> George Sinos
>>> 
>>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher  
>>> wrote:
 Bruce Walker  wrote:

> This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's
> Photoshop Clone" to appear.

 And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the
 last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple.

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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Bruce Walker]

You can still buy CS6 and will be able to for some time. The link can
be hard to find, but Scott provides it in his FAQ. (It's super-long
else I'd just paste it here.)

If you decide to go for the subscription and you own CS3 or later, you
can get the Ps CC subscription for $9.99/month until July 31st. That
price is only for a year, but one of the Adobe spokesmen said they'd
urge that being upgraded to 5 years.

At that price it becomes more palatable ... barely.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of
> last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4.  Now, I have to
> purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I
> guess.  I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so
> I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about
> using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export
> from LR, then open in Ps...
>
> We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4...
>
> -c
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>> I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom
>> alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two.  It's
>> also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik
>> products would handle a lot of photographer needs.
>>
>> Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you
>> need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC.
>>
>> GS
>> George Sinos
>> 
>> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
>> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher  wrote:
>>> Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>>
 This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's
 Photoshop Clone" to appear.
>>>
>>> And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the
>>> last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple.
>>>
>>> Ralf
>>>
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Bruce Walker]

Gerrit, "mechanically" the CC apps behave like Adobe apps of old when
you bought the download (no-box) version. Ie: you download a
multi-megabyte file which you install, then run the app entirely on
your workstation. Load and Save works as before for local files;
nothing has changed there. No forced storing in the cloud.

So the Cloud moniker is a bit of marketing hype. You get Behance Pro
as part of your subscription and that lets you share work on Behance.
It's cool, I have a Behance free account now that I use sporadically,
but it's not a huge enticement to me.

The main change with the Cloud thang is that you now subscribe rather
than buy a perpetual license and the software checks every so often
that you are still legal. Upgrades will happen more frequently, which
is nice.

If you subscribe annually the legality check only occurs every 180
days, so you could go off on a long trip and not worry -- in theory.
Who knows in practice?



On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
> One of the falacies of cloud anything is that everyone has good internet
> access, esp. upload speeds. This is not the case in most rural areas of
> North America. I would go so far as to say that in Canada it is not even
> true in urban areas. Until recently my upload was a stellar 512kb/s.
>
> While these apps run on your machine, they intrinsically rely on upload to a
> cloud service to share the output. In the myths section it isn't clear if
> you can store the files anywhere that you please or if you must store in a
> cloud folder.
> One advantage fo rthe occasional user is that you can pay for a month, get
> your work done, then unsubscribe until the next batch. Might be cheaper in
> the end for some of us.
>
> Either way, the change over to recurring license fees is in line with the
> fact that you only license the sw in the first place. I imagine the price
> for physical copies of CS6 on ebay.ca will be going up :-)
>
> Gerrit
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:35 AM
> To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List
> Subject: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement
>
> If you hadn't heard, Adobe announced a new Photoshop version, "CC", and
> announced that henceforth you cannot purchase the former Creative Suite
> tools anymore: you must rent them. CC stands for Creative Cloud, and all the
> tools (except consumer, like Elements, and Lightroom I
> think) will be paid for by monthly or annual subscription.
>
> So if you're a photographer like me, you can have Photoshop alone for
> $19.95 a month. If you cancel your subscription -- poof! -- your copy of
> Photoshop no longer functions.
>
> The whole subscription pricing model makes sense and contains lots of
> benefits for fulltime professionals, but the rug has been pulled out from
> under amateurs, part-timers and hobbyists. We tend to buy an upgrade to
> Photoshop for $200 or so and then skip a version or two before doing that
> again, so Photoshop costs us about $100 a year or less. Now it will cost
> $240/year in perpetuity.
>
> This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's Photoshop
> Clone" to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW formats, full layers,
> and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers will step up to the plate?
>
> At this point it appears the best choice would be to own CS6 and hold onto
> to it until it's no longer supported by your OS. Hopefully an alternative
> will appear by then.
>
> Here's Scott Kelby's FAQ on this change where he puts as positive a spin as
> he can on it. But read the comments for the mood of "the people".
> http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the-
> max-conference
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Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

[Tim Bray]

Bruce, you’re exactly right.  I was scrambling over these rocks in a
brisk breeze on a walk with my 6-year-old.  It’s not even clear that a
macro-lens approach is the best.   Mind you, it might be years before
I get that combination of high enough sun to be over the treeline and
low enough tide to expose the mussels... -T

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Mmmm. Shiny!
>
> I'd really like to see more sharpness and DoF in these; I think much
> would be gained. I'd want to go there with a tripod, stop way down,
> low ISO, and let the shutter fall where it may. There's so much
> texture, gloss and deep colour in this scene.
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Tim Bray  wrote:
>> https://plus.google.com/+TimBray/posts/Kg8DqzwaSTy
>>
>> Off to our cabin on a Pacific-Northwest island; I left the enchanting
>> Fuji mirrorless behind and took along the K-5 with a couple lenses,
>> but never managed to take off the 100mm F2.8 macro.
>>
>> I still like the K-5 but... damn, it’s big and bulky and heavy, those
>> prisms carry a cost.  -T
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Christine Nielsen]

Let's hope you're right.. I was asleep at the switch at the end of
last year, and missed my chance to upgrade from CS4.  Now, I have to
purchase CS6 outright (is that possible?), or jump on the cloud, I
guess.  I'm not a huge Photoshop user, and LR4 does more than LR3, so
I have even less need of Ps, but there are some wonky things about
using LR4 with CS4... can't merge a panorama as easily, need to export
from LR, then open in Ps...

We'll see just how much an aggravation it is to keep going with CS4...

-c

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
> I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom
> alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two.  It's
> also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik
> products would handle a lot of photographer needs.
>
> Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you
> need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC.
>
> GS
> George Sinos
> 
> www.GeorgesPhotos.net
> www.GeorgeSinos.com
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher  wrote:
>> Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>>> This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's
>>> Photoshop Clone" to appear.
>>
>> And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the
>> last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple.
>>
>> Ralf
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RE: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Gerrit Visser]

One of the falacies of cloud anything is that everyone has good internet
access, esp. upload speeds. This is not the case in most rural areas of
North America. I would go so far as to say that in Canada it is not even
true in urban areas. Until recently my upload was a stellar 512kb/s.

While these apps run on your machine, they intrinsically rely on upload to a
cloud service to share the output. In the myths section it isn't clear if
you can store the files anywhere that you please or if you must store in a
cloud folder.
One advantage fo rthe occasional user is that you can pay for a month, get
your work done, then unsubscribe until the next batch. Might be cheaper in
the end for some of us.

Either way, the change over to recurring license fees is in line with the
fact that you only license the sw in the first place. I imagine the price
for physical copies of CS6 on ebay.ca will be going up :-)

Gerrit

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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:35 AM
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Subject: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

If you hadn't heard, Adobe announced a new Photoshop version, "CC", and
announced that henceforth you cannot purchase the former Creative Suite
tools anymore: you must rent them. CC stands for Creative Cloud, and all the
tools (except consumer, like Elements, and Lightroom I
think) will be paid for by monthly or annual subscription.

So if you're a photographer like me, you can have Photoshop alone for
$19.95 a month. If you cancel your subscription -- poof! -- your copy of
Photoshop no longer functions.

The whole subscription pricing model makes sense and contains lots of
benefits for fulltime professionals, but the rug has been pulled out from
under amateurs, part-timers and hobbyists. We tend to buy an upgrade to
Photoshop for $200 or so and then skip a version or two before doing that
again, so Photoshop costs us about $100 a year or less. Now it will cost
$240/year in perpetuity.

This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's Photoshop
Clone" to appear. Something that supports 16-bits, RAW formats, full layers,
and ideally Ps plugin support. Maybe the Gimpers will step up to the plate?

At this point it appears the best choice would be to own CS6 and hold onto
to it until it's no longer supported by your OS. Hopefully an alternative
will appear by then.

Here's Scott Kelby's FAQ on this change where he puts as positive a spin as
he can on it. But read the comments for the mood of "the people".
http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the-
max-conference

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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[George Sinos]

I think the majority of hobby photographers could live on Lightroom
alone, Photoshop Elements alone or a combination of the two.  It's
also looking like a combination of Lightroom and the OnOne or Nik
products would handle a lot of photographer needs.

Assuming Lightroom is your hub, there are a lot of options unless you
need some specific feature that is in Photoshop CC.

GS
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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher  wrote:
> Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>> This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's
>> Photoshop Clone" to appear.
>
> And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the
> last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple.
>
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RE: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone?

[Gerrit Visser]

Cool, that will make the coffee's look better. I already know they taste
good.

Gerrit

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Subject: Re: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone?

I'm bringing my DA 35/2.8 Ltd over on Thursday, so you can try that.
Wear eye protection. :-)

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
> A) look sharp to my eyes.
> B) sends me to the login page
>
> I have been looking at various shots from our recent trip. All 10,000 
> shot with 18-250 Tamron or Sigma. There are some that aren't sharp but 
> the ones that are good, i.e. subject and composition, are sharp enough 
> for me. I don't have a prime to compare with (except an old M42 
> mount), I might try to borrow one soon to see the difference myself.
>
> Gerrit
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:04 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone?
>
> Quote Rob: "I find that my recently purchased zooms are in many 
> respects almost as good as my Pentax primes when compared side by side 
> in controlled situations, not like the bad old days".
>
> I concur with Rob. I have not bought a single prime, apart from the 
> older collection of M42, M, K & A lenses. I have quite a few new zoom 
> lenses - Pentax, Tamron and Sigma - some in the high quality f2.8 version.
>
> I have the Pentax 18-135 WR, and as I mentioned earlier it is a very 
> sharp copy, with great contrast and colors. Quiet and excellent auto
focusing too.
> And any zoom will show some sharpness drop off at the extreme ends.
> But alas!, I wanted some detractors amongst us PDMLers, to comment on 
> two photos I posted on sharpness. Both blown up by 100%. Used 
> primitive screen shot to capture the image. Link given below again for 
> sharpness comment:-
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y2u0e14w64tl8u1/iWyqtCPDeS
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/18-135%20WR
>
> Note: a) 100% crops. Some sharpness again lost due to my primitive 
> screen capture method on my (5) year laptop.
>  b) K-5 + 18-135 combo bought new from Henrys of Toronto 
> shipped for CAD 1108 in January 2013 - CAD &
>  USD at par then.
>
> I will be doing bench tests on edge to edge sharpness for the 18-135 
> using my famous beer bottle setup which I posted earlier for the 
> Tamron 28-75 f2.8 Lens - $ 457 from B&H brand new - which turned out
brutally sharp.
>
> Regards.
> Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.
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Re: PESO - Sunday in Fontenelle Forest - 1970

[George Sinos]

Hi Darren -

Close, but no Cigar.  The camera store was Calandra's.  When I worked
there, it was a family owned regional chain.  I don't remember how
many stores they had, but it was at least 20.

Some of the stores were camera equipment only, others were combination
Hallmark card and party goods and camera equipment.  The combination
sounds odd, but it made a lot of sense at the time.  If you were
either having or going to a party you would also want film and
flashbulbs, etc.  It worked well until the early '70s.

They merged into Fox photo and a few years later they both fell off the radar.

GS

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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I'm guessing the camera store was "Dean's" down in the vicinity of the
> Omaha World Herald square?
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> Great Story!
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, George Sinos  wrote:
>>> This one probably should have been called "Disaster Averted" or "If a
>>> camera falls in the forest..." or something like that.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> It could have been an expensive day for my boss.
>>>
>>> GS
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
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Re: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone?

[Bruce Walker]

I'm bringing my DA 35/2.8 Ltd over on Thursday, so you can try that.
Wear eye protection. :-)

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Gerrit Visser  wrote:
> A) look sharp to my eyes.
> B) sends me to the login page
>
> I have been looking at various shots from our recent trip. All 10,000 shot
> with 18-250 Tamron or Sigma. There are some that aren't sharp but the ones
> that are good, i.e. subject and composition, are sharp enough for me. I
> don't have a prime to compare with (except an old M42 mount), I might try to
> borrow one soon to see the difference myself.
>
> Gerrit
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:04 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: DA 18 - 135 mm anyone?
>
> Quote Rob: "I find that my recently purchased zooms are in many respects
> almost as good as my Pentax primes when compared side by side in controlled
> situations, not like the bad old days".
>
> I concur with Rob. I have not bought a single prime, apart from the older
> collection of M42, M, K & A lenses. I have quite a few new zoom lenses -
> Pentax, Tamron and Sigma - some in the high quality f2.8 version.
>
> I have the Pentax 18-135 WR, and as I mentioned earlier it is a very sharp
> copy, with great contrast and colors. Quiet and excellent auto focusing too.
> And any zoom will show some sharpness drop off at the extreme ends.
> But alas!, I wanted some detractors amongst us PDMLers, to comment on two
> photos I posted on sharpness. Both blown up by 100%. Used primitive screen
> shot to capture the image. Link given below again for sharpness comment:-
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/y2u0e14w64tl8u1/iWyqtCPDeS
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/18-135%20WR
>
> Note: a) 100% crops. Some sharpness again lost due to my primitive screen
> capture method on my (5) year laptop.
>  b) K-5 + 18-135 combo bought new from Henrys of Toronto shipped for
> CAD 1108 in January 2013 - CAD &
>  USD at par then.
>
> I will be doing bench tests on edge to edge sharpness for the 18-135 using
> my famous beer bottle setup which I posted earlier for the Tamron 28-75 f2.8
> Lens - $ 457 from B&H brand new - which turned out brutally sharp.
>
> Regards.
> Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.
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Re: OT Photoshop CC spurs competitive market for Photoshop replacement

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Bruce Walker  wrote:

> This has just got to create a market for a decent "Photographer's
> Photoshop Clone" to appear.

And hopefully it will run under Linux and thus do away with one of the
last reasons to let ourselves be patronised and spied out by Apple. 

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Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

[Bruce Walker]

Mmmm. Shiny!

I'd really like to see more sharpness and DoF in these; I think much
would be gained. I'd want to go there with a tripod, stop way down,
low ISO, and let the shutter fall where it may. There's so much
texture, gloss and deep colour in this scene.

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> https://plus.google.com/+TimBray/posts/Kg8DqzwaSTy
>
> Off to our cabin on a Pacific-Northwest island; I left the enchanting
> Fuji mirrorless behind and took along the K-5 with a couple lenses,
> but never managed to take off the 100mm F2.8 macro.
>
> I still like the K-5 but... damn, it’s big and bulky and heavy, those
> prisms carry a cost.  -T
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Re: PESO: Worn Out

[Bruce Walker]

Gorgeous colour!

Page looks fine in my Chrome (26.0.1410.65; Mac OS X 10.8.3). It was a
little slow to render though, I thought. Maybe just a slow pipe to New
Zealand. :-)

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:59 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> Had a few spare moments to take the macro lens out into the garden this 
> afternoon.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/611/#peso
>
> I've written a new gallery system and I'm using enough CSS3 that it'll 
> probably look like arse on many systems.  If it's working you should see some 
> rounded corners and drop shadows, and a fancy font for the title (the 
> comments beneath are just Helvetica / Arial).  The latest Firefox and Safari 
> work well.  IE8 does not (I don't have IE9).  Chrome should be good.
>
> Oh yeah and you'll need to allow javascript.  That should weed a few more of 
> you out ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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RE: OT For the cyclists here

[Gerrit Visser]

But if it is covered by insurance, it is still 'public' money. Insurance
companies get their money from... you guessed it.. people like you and me.
My premiums go to pay for someone else's incident.
Its not like the person who had the incident is taking responsibility and
paying the expenses themselves.

Gerrit

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Subject: Re: OT For the cyclists here

There is an argument that one who dies early will cost the healthcare system
far less than someone who lingers in into their golden years, health
declining as they age.

If the accident involves an automobile liability will be covered (at least
partially).

For those reasons and for the reasons as articulated by Bob W. I am all for
being libertarian when it comes to helmet laws for adults.

Cheers,
frank

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From: Bill 
Sent: May 7, 2013 5/7/13
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT For the cyclists here

On 06/05/2013 9:31 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> While we're at it why don't we start discussions about abortion, gun 
> control and the existence of God? (yes, yes and no, fwiw)
>
> For some reason helmets give rise to the same intensity of discussions
among cyclists (not just on this list btw).
>
> As for me, don't care what any study says I like wearing them and will
continue to do so. Others can do what they want, don't so much care, as long
as they're adults it's their personal decision, I won't judge either way.
>
In general I agree with your attitude, except when it comes to public
liability. In our country, it is costing the public purse more for
unhelmeted riders who conk their noggins. If we had private insurance, I
would say it's between the rider and his insurance company, but in a
publicly funded system, the cards play a little differently.

bill

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Re: OT For the cyclists here

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

There is an argument that one who dies early will cost the healthcare system 
far less than someone who lingers in into their golden years, health declining 
as they age.

If the accident involves an automobile liability will be covered (at least 
partially).

For those reasons and for the reasons as articulated by Bob W. I am all for 
being libertarian when it comes to helmet laws for adults.

Cheers,
frank

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Subject: Re: OT For the cyclists here

On 06/05/2013 9:31 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
> While we're at it why don't we start discussions about abortion, gun control 
> and the existence of God? (yes, yes and no, fwiw)
>
> For some reason helmets give rise to the same intensity of discussions among 
> cyclists (not just on this list btw).
>
> As for me, don't care what any study says I like wearing them and will 
> continue to do so. Others can do what they want, don't so much care, as long 
> as they're adults it's their personal decision, I won't judge either way.
>
In general I agree with your attitude, except when it comes to public 
liability. In our country, it is costing the public purse more for 
unhelmeted riders who conk their noggins. If we had private insurance, I 
would say it's between the rider and his insurance company, but in a 
publicly funded system, the cards play a little differently.

bill

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Re: PESO Photo platform with a difference

[Bruce Walker]

Good one! Too bad he wasn't on the ladder truck. I also see he's using
the disabled tripod trick. :-)

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> Quick pic from last weekends air-show:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/IMGQ13387.JPG
>
> Cheers,
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PESO Photo platform with a difference

[Rob Studdert]

Quick pic from last weekends air-show:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9304908/temp/IMGQ13387.JPG

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Re: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

[Jack Davis]

Like these, Tim. Prefer the first.

Jack


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Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 11:34 PM
Subject: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

https://plus.google.com/+TimBray/posts/Kg8DqzwaSTy

Off to our cabin on a Pacific-Northwest island; I left the enchanting
Fuji mirrorless behind and took along the K-5 with a couple lenses,
but never managed to take off the 100mm F2.8 macro.

I still like the K-5 but... damn, it’s big and bulky and heavy, those
prisms carry a cost.  -T

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Re: OT - ISS 'Snapshots from Space'

[Rob Studdert]

On 5 May 2013 02:16, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> Nikon gear, but most will find this interesting - especially if you
> follow Chis on Twitter...
>
> 

Damn, he's got the primo spot for landscape snaps!

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Re: PESO: Worn Out

[Jack Davis]

Good title. Could, also, include "rusty." ;-)
 
Jack


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Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: PESO: Worn Out

Had a few spare moments to take the macro lens out into the garden this 
afternoon.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/611/#peso

I've written a new gallery system and I'm using enough CSS3 that it'll probably 
look like arse on many systems.  If it's working you should see some rounded 
corners and drop shadows, and a fancy font for the title (the comments beneath 
are just Helvetica / Arial).  The latest Firefox and Safari work well.  IE8 
does not (I don't have IE9).  Chrome should be good.

Oh yeah and you'll need to allow javascript.  That should weed a few more of 
you out ;)

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: GESO Lichenscapes

[Rob Studdert]

On 7 May 2013 16:21, Tim Bray  wrote:
> Wow! Most surprising pictures I’ve seen in a long long time. Thanks -T

Thanks Tim, pleasantly surprised I hope, otherwise I apologise in
advance for the nightmares :)

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Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

In his dreams...

Cheers,
frank

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From: Bob W 
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Subject: Re: PESO - First Grebe of the Year

It's trying to be a cormorant...

B

On 7 May 2013, at 04:04, "Gerrit Visser"  wrote:

> Rising like a phoenix out of the water...
> The vertical reflections are a lovely contrast to the circular ripples.
> 
> Gerrit
> 
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> knarftheria...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:38 PM
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> Subject: PESO - First Grebe of the Year
> 
> They've been back for several weeks but this is the first good look I've
> had:
> 
> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/05/first-grebe-of-year.html?m=1
> 
> Unfortunately I didn't have my monopod, the damned SR was set at the wrong
> focal length and I had my Tokina 80-200 f2.8 zoom - all of which conspire
> against sharpness.
> 
> Despite the softness I rather like it. Hope you do too. Comments always
> welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> "For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and
> spontaneity." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
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RE: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

[Gerrit Visser]

That highlight on first photo really cathes the eye. Usually mussels are borign 
black, good catch.

Gerrit

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Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:34 AM
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Subject: GESO: Mussel beach macro!

https://plus.google.com/+TimBray/posts/Kg8DqzwaSTy

Off to our cabin on a Pacific-Northwest island; I left the enchanting Fuji 
mirrorless behind and took along the K-5 with a couple lenses, but never 
managed to take off the 100mm F2.8 macro.

I still like the K-5 but... damn, it’s big and bulky and heavy, those prisms 
carry a cost.  -T

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Re: PESO One that nearly got away

[Rob Studdert]

On 4 May 2013 17:34, Alan C  wrote:
> Most fortunate! Presumably you used a file recovery routine?
> A "heavenly" image right down to the sunbeam shining on the grass in front
> of the cows.

Hi Alan, Yes I was very fortunate, I thought I'd lost them all for a
while, didn't feel too good. I used Recuva for Windows, it worked very
well. I got lucky with that shot, I had seen a great photo and driven
on as time was an issue but decided further down the road when I saw
another opportunity to stop and shoot, glad I did.

On 4 May 2013 18:23, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> Good stock image 'Farmers Reap Seasonal Benefits' ...

Guess it could be, interesting by-line :)


On 4 May 2013 23:20, Christine Nielsen  wrote:
> Wow, lucky break -and lovely image!

Thanks Christine

On 4 May 2013 23:20, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Excellent. Congratulations on the Dave.

Thanks Paul :)

On 4 May 2013 23:22, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Beautiful scene, nicely captured.  You might try cloning out the green blob 
> of flare on the hillside--it's a bit distracting.

Thanks Rick, I agree, again this was just from a single in camera jpg,
I haven't looked at the RAW fiile yet plus I have several bracketed
set to work with so it might end up being a very natural HDR processed
image finally.

On 4 May 2013 23:52, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Now THAT is a dramatic sky!  Fine image indeed.

Thanks Dan, yeah it certainly put on a show, I didn't know if I'd be
able to pull it off as the contrast range was so huge.

On 5 May 2013 01:05, Mark C  wrote:
> Great scene - dramatic light! Glad that you were able to salvage it from the
> card.

Thanks Mark, I'm very glad too, I got back just over 200 images (raw +
jpg) and there are quite a few in the set that I would have been
pretty sad to lose.

On 5 May 2013 13:09, knarftheria...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Wow!
>
> I mean, just Wow!

LOL, thanks Frank, glad it wow'd you! :)

On 7 May 2013 01:35, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Bucolic at its best. Nice one.

Thanks Don, great word bucolic :)

On 7 May 2013 11:10, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Boy did you ever have a lucky break! An excellent one to recover, too.
> Maybe you should frame it?

Thanks Bruce, if my subsequent PP of the raw file set is successful it
will definitely get printed at least.

Cheers and thanks all,

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