Re: full frame??

[Bill]

On 02/11/2013 11:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 06:56:27AM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:


I'm not saying that Ricoh is doing badly by finally making proper
investment (in all terms, not just money) into Pentax. Rather, I
sincerely believe that all that rumor mill is not doing company any
good. Each time there is a new release from Pentax, the rumor mill
starts anew. This creates illogical expectations, starts new flame
wars on internet forums and ultimately leads to people being
disappointed.


The only way that Ricoh will stop full frame rumors is by releasing
a full frame camera.

And when they do, the professional pessimists will piss and moan because 
it is 4143 pixels x 7358 pixels, and obviously it is crap because it 
isn't as full frame as the real full frame cameras.


bill


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Re: full frame??

[Larry Colen]

On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 06:56:27AM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
> I'm not saying that Ricoh is doing badly by finally making proper
> investment (in all terms, not just money) into Pentax. Rather, I
> sincerely believe that all that rumor mill is not doing company any
> good. Each time there is a new release from Pentax, the rumor mill
> starts anew. This creates illogical expectations, starts new flame
> wars on internet forums and ultimately leads to people being
> disappointed.

The only way that Ricoh will stop full frame rumors is by releasing
a full frame camera.  

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Re: full frame??

[Bill]

On 02/11/2013 10:56 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

I'm Jewish, Bill and I pride myself in being an amateur photographer. I
suppose I am also an amateur pessimist. Now, I think that as a
photographer I am not half bad... It is up to you to complete this line
of reasoning :-).

I'm not saying that Ricoh is doing badly by finally making proper
investment (in all terms, not just money) into Pentax. Rather, I
sincerely believe that all that rumor mill is not doing company any
good. Each time there is a new release from Pentax, the rumor mill
starts anew. This creates illogical expectations, starts new flame wars
on internet forums and ultimately leads to people being disappointed.

Pessimistic or not, I don't see any good in these things.


Internet forums need to be taken for what they are worth. Over on the 
Fuji forum at DPReview, a guy is wailing that Fuji isn't making a 
commitment to the APS-C aensor size, and therefore he doesn't think Fuji 
is a good purchase, just in case they dump APS-C in favour of 35mm.

Of course Fuji has never said anything one way or the other about 35mm.
Companies cannot do anything about the illogic of people, especially it 
seems when they invest the degree of fanaticism into a camera brand that 
manifests as overarching fanboyism.
Companies can't be responsible for people being disappointed over new 
products, they can't be responsible for the illogical expectations of 
fanatics, all they can do is put products on the market for sale, and 
try to hit a market point that will buy it.


If Pentax, or any company, was to place the importance you are implying 
they should on the rumour mills of internet fanboys, they would pretty 
much have to stop putting new products on the market entirely, since 
every new release would be causing a new group of whack jobs to slit 
their wrists.


It seems they really can't win. They put nothing on the market, and they 
go out of business, they put new products on the market and that isn't a 
good thing either.


Respectfully Boris, and I mean this with all the love in my heart that I 
can feel for a fellow human being, you need to give your head a shake.


bill

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Re: PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels

[kwaller]

Very nice capture.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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Subject: PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels



Another female portrait, but this one's a real dog ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10627745525/

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Re: Filters?

[Boris Liberman]

On 11/3/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Just on he subject of cleaning lenses - I keep a clean handkerchief in
one back pocket. Stout blow of hot breath on the element and a good wipe
round with the hanky and hey presto. I do that with my A*85/1.4 (500
quid) and my Canon TV motorized zoom lens lens (5000 quid) and never had
a problem. These lenses are a lot tougher than people think.


Over here, your breath won't be as hot, you know :-).


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Re: full frame??

[Boris Liberman]

I'm Jewish, Bill and I pride myself in being an amateur photographer. I 
suppose I am also an amateur pessimist. Now, I think that as a 
photographer I am not half bad... It is up to you to complete this line 
of reasoning :-).


I'm not saying that Ricoh is doing badly by finally making proper 
investment (in all terms, not just money) into Pentax. Rather, I 
sincerely believe that all that rumor mill is not doing company any 
good. Each time there is a new release from Pentax, the rumor mill 
starts anew. This creates illogical expectations, starts new flame wars 
on internet forums and ultimately leads to people being disappointed.


Pessimistic or not, I don't see any good in these things.

On 11/3/2013 5:33 AM, Bill wrote:

You really are Russian. If someone gave you a BMW, you would be
pessimistic for the workers at the Mercedes factory.
ffs, Boris, Ricoh is breathing new life into the brand.

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Re: Filters?

[Peter McIntosh]

I've always got one of those glasses cleaning cloths in my pocket; if
they're good enough to clean my glasses, then they'll do fine on my
lenses too.  No problems yet.

Ciao,

Pete Mac in Melbourne (back to lurking and wondering why I'd need a K3
when I'm still learning about my K5...)

On 3 November 2013 15:36, David Mann  wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:44 am, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>
>> Just on he subject of cleaning lenses - I keep a clean handkerchief in
>> one back pocket. Stout blow of hot breath on the element and a good wipe
>> round with the hanky and hey presto. I do that with my A*85/1.4 (500
>> quid) and my Canon TV motorized zoom lens lens (5000 quid) and never had
>> a problem. These lenses are a lot tougher than people think.
>
> That's about all I've ever done in the field.  A t-shirt will also do the 
> trick if the hanky has been... used.
>
> Usually there might still be a bit of greasy residue so at home I use a 
> tissue wet with some isopropyl alcohol to clean it, then wipe off any residue 
> with a dry area of the tissue.  I then blow the dust off with a blower brush.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: Filters?

[David Mann]

On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:44 am, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> Just on he subject of cleaning lenses - I keep a clean handkerchief in
> one back pocket. Stout blow of hot breath on the element and a good wipe
> round with the hanky and hey presto. I do that with my A*85/1.4 (500
> quid) and my Canon TV motorized zoom lens lens (5000 quid) and never had
> a problem. These lenses are a lot tougher than people think.

That's about all I've ever done in the field.  A t-shirt will also do the trick 
if the hanky has been... used.

Usually there might still be a bit of greasy residue so at home I use a tissue 
wet with some isopropyl alcohol to clean it, then wipe off any residue with a 
dry area of the tissue.  I then blow the dust off with a blower brush.

Cheers,
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Re: Filters?

[David Mann]

On Nov 3, 2013, at 7:11 am, Aahz Maruch  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 02, 2013, Bill wrote:
>> 
>> The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want
>> protection, buy a lens hood.
> 
> There was a post a while back on lensrentals.com that said roughly the
> same thing.

I read this the other day... never thought it'd be an issue!
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/10/bad-times-with-bad-filters

I agree with Bill, but that makes no difference to anybody but me :)

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Re: full frame??

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 09:33:48PM -0600, Bill wrote:
> On 02/11/2013 11:18 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> >On 11/2/2013 3:42 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
> 
> You really are Russian. If someone gave you a BMW, you would be
> pessimistic for the workers at the Mercedes factory.
> ffs, Boris, Ricoh is breathing new life into the brand.

It's not that he's Russion.  He's Jewish. Jews are who taught the Russians
how to complain.

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Re: Filters?

[John Francis]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 10:44:06PM +, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> Just on he subject of cleaning lenses - I keep a clean handkerchief in
> one back pocket. Stout blow of hot breath on the element and a good wipe
> round with the hanky and hey presto. I do that with my A*85/1.4 (500
> quid) and my Canon TV motorized zoom lens lens (5000 quid) and never had
> a problem. These lenses are a lot tougher than people think.

I've heard stories of someone who used to demonstrate the toughness of
SMC coatings by stubbing out a cigarette on the front element of a lens.


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Re: full frame??

[Bill]

On 02/11/2013 11:18 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 11/2/2013 3:42 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

"Corporate commitment" is the phrase that comes to mind. Maybe it is
just about a really good sales VP who has been successful in
communicating an optimistic tone down through the sales and
distribution rank and file, but it really seems more positive than
that.


IMHO, the timing of such a rumor or a leak can't be possibly worse. The
K-3 is hitting the shelves... So the customer base should be encouraged
to take out their credit cards and get 'em swipin'... But due to sayings
such as this, some cards may not get swiped after all... No good.



You really are Russian. If someone gave you a BMW, you would be 
pessimistic for the workers at the Mercedes factory.

ffs, Boris, Ricoh is breathing new life into the brand.

bill

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Re: Filters?

[Bill]

On 02/11/2013 6:25 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I used to do that and after about twenty years of cleaning my vivitar 200/3.5 
that way I gave it a good look and realized the front element was pretty much 
trashed. So now I'm cautious.


I almost never clean lenses. It saves me the potential problem of 
scratching a lens element.
The problem that happens when lenses are cleaned too often is that they 
develop cleaning marks, which is scuffing of the glass. Any lens will be 
ruined by being kept too clean. Your old Vivitar also had soft glass and 
coatings.
Years ago when I sold cameras, we had a dog and pony show put on by the 
various reps. This was back in the day when you could smoke in public, 
and I was, at the time, a smoker. The Pentax guy had a 50mm lens sitting 
on his desk, and he invited anyone who wanted to to butt their cigarette 
on the front glass. I think about a dozen of us took him up on the offer 
over the course of the day. The lens was completely unharmed by this abuse.


bill



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Re: PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels

[Jack Davis]

That's well done, Bruce. Lighting and exposure just great.
I'd be tempted to lighten the dark portion of the face so as to add a bit to 
the sheen of her coat, but not enough to make it conspicuously lighter than the 
exposed body coat. 
 
Jack


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Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 5:50 PM
Subject: PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels

Another female portrait, but this one's a real dog ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10627745525/

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Re: K-3 functions - tidbits from the manual

[Stan Halpin]

On Nov 2, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Attila Boros wrote:

>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
>> 
>> on the K-3 in addition to Distortion Correction and Lateral Aberration 
>> Correction, they have added "Peripheral Illumination Correction"
> 
> Is this working in RAW mode or just with jpegs?
> 

Not clear to me. The language is similar to what is in the K-5 manual, except 
for the added vignetting correction.  But I haven't done anything with this on 
the K-5.

>From the K-3 manual: "When the file format is set to RAW or RAW+ the 
>correction information is saved as a RAW file parameter and you can select 
>[ON] or [OFF] when developing the RAW images. For the RAW Development 
>function, [Color Fringe Corrector] can also be set."

The RAW development in Playback mode allows you to take a captured RAW and 
Develop the image as a JPEG i n the camera, with many selectable parameters 
from JPEG quality and size to use of digital filters to use of these 
lens-correction features. So, I don't think the lens corrections affect JPEGs 
unless you selectively use them that way during in-camera development. 
What happens to the "RAW file parameter" info once the image is downloaded? 
Beats me. I assume the Pentax software takes advantage of it, I don't know if 
LR does and if this is over and above the LR lens correction profiles. I never 
paid attention before since I never have seen (or had pointed out to me) 
evidence of distortion or lateral chromatic aberration and so I just passed on 
by this in the K-5 (and earlier?) manuals. It just happened to catch my eye 
while going through the K-3.

BTW, the K-3 manual is incredibly easier to read. The same information is 
presented in a much more concise straightforward manner. E.g., there is an 
HDR-capture function on the K-5 (and earlier?) which is similar to the K-3, 
though the K-3 allows user setting of the EV range of the 3 exposures. And I 
have been experimenting with HDR via bracketing and post-process software. Any 
thought of using the in-camera HDR was squashed by all of the provisos and 
footnotes and limitations. The K-3 is cleaner. Within a month I may be 
hollering for more details, more info, more footnotes, but as a getting-started 
manual the K-3 looks about right to me.

stan


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Re: test new mail program.

[Paul Sorenson]

Looks good from here...

-p

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I replied to several posts but they did not show up here. I am using new mail 
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PESO - Tessa, scourge of squirrels

[Bruce Walker]

Another female portrait, but this one's a real dog ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10627745525/

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test new mail program.

[Don Guthrie]

I replied to several posts but they did not show up here. I am using new mail 
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PUG Themes for 2014

[Brian Walters]

G'day again...

The final list of themes for 2014 are now listed on the PUG submission  
form.  You'll also find them on the Submission Guidelines page:


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Re: Filters?

[Paul Stenquist]

I used to do that and after about twenty years of cleaning my vivitar 200/3.5 
that way I gave it a good look and realized the front element was pretty much 
trashed. So now I'm cautious.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 2, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> I use a COTTON handkerchief or the tail of my COTTON t-shirt after a puff of 
> not breath.
>  
> Jack
>  
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Steve Cottrell 
> To: pentax list 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Filters?
> 
> Just on he subject of cleaning lenses - I keep a clean handkerchief in
> one back pocket. Stout blow of hot breath on the element and a good wipe
> round with the hanky and hey presto. I do that with my A*85/1.4 (500
> quid) and my Canon TV motorized zoom lens lens (5000 quid) and never had
> a problem. These lenses are a lot tougher than people think.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
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November PUG is UP!

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

Another fine gallery and one of the largest this year.

I like them all but Ken's 'Taos' is my favourite.  I like its  
simplicity and the combination of curves and straight lines - also, it  
brings back pleasant memories (I was there not long ago...)


As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

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(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not  
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the  
gallery, let me know.


+

Coming up for December is 'Chaos' - should be a piece of cake!

Submit here:

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Re: K-3 functions - tidbits from the manual

[Attila Boros]

> On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
>
> on the K-3 in addition to Distortion Correction and Lateral Aberration 
> Correction, they have added "Peripheral Illumination Correction"

Is this working in RAW mode or just with jpegs?

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Re: Filters?

[Walt Gilbert]

Same here. I usually do a very light swipe first in the event there's a 
grain of sand or something like that which could potentially be hard 
enough to scratch the coating, but after that, a couple of breaths and a 
cotton t-shirt works like a charm.


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On 11/2/2013 6:57 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

I use a COTTON handkerchief or the tail of my COTTON t-shirt after a puff of 
not breath.
  
Jack
  



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To: pentax list 
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Filters?

Just on he subject of cleaning lenses - I keep a clean handkerchief in
one back pocket. Stout blow of hot breath on the element and a good wipe
round with the hanky and hey presto. I do that with my A*85/1.4 (500
quid) and my Canon TV motorized zoom lens lens (5000 quid) and never had
a problem. These lenses are a lot tougher than people think.




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Re: Filters?

[Jack Davis]

I use a COTTON handkerchief or the tail of my COTTON t-shirt after a puff of 
not breath.
 
Jack
 


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From: Steve Cottrell 
To: pentax list 
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Filters?

Just on he subject of cleaning lenses - I keep a clean handkerchief in
one back pocket. Stout blow of hot breath on the element and a good wipe
round with the hanky and hey presto. I do that with my A*85/1.4 (500
quid) and my Canon TV motorized zoom lens lens (5000 quid) and never had
a problem. These lenses are a lot tougher than people think.

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Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

[Jack Davis]

Yes;-) The owl was being hand held by a leather gloved zoo docent while I shot 
hand held.
Thanks for commenting, Stan.
 
Jack


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Very nice! A good character study.
You said that the owl was handheld; was the camera handheld as well? A double 
challenge?!?

stan


On Nov 2, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Yes, there were some of those "full frontals" but for a number reasons, 
> including the background,
> Glad I did, I find the white of the eye especially interesting and it's 
> probably due to side lighting.(?)
>  
> Jack
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Sac. Zoo Owl
> 
> Strong image.  I like the POV;  for some reason, most owl image are
> full frontal.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Spent an hour or so at the Sacramento Zoo this PM. Attaching shot of an Elf 
>> owl. Bird book best comparison is a Screech!?
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=718
>> 
>> K-5 w/DA* 50~135
>> 


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Re: PAW199 - Fence

[DagT]

Thank you, Eric, Dan, knarf and Godfrey :-)


29. okt. 2013 kl. 19:33 skrev Eric Weir :

> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, DagT  wrote:
> 
>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
>> Ricoh GR, 18.3mm, 1/60s, f2.8, ISO560
> 
> Love it. Simple, but rich. It looks like it was painted—and perhaps it could 
> be said that was what was done.
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Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

[Stan Halpin]

Very nice! A good character study.
You said that the owl was handheld; was the camera handheld as well? A double 
challenge?!?

stan

On Nov 2, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Yes, there were some of those "full frontals" but for a number reasons, 
> including the background,
> Glad I did, I find the white of the eye especially interesting and it's 
> probably due to side lighting.(?)
>  
> Jack
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Sac. Zoo Owl
> 
> Strong image.  I like the POV;  for some reason, most owl image are
> full frontal.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Spent an hour or so at the Sacramento Zoo this PM. Attaching shot of an Elf 
>> owl. Bird book best comparison is a Screech!?
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=718
>> 
>> K-5 w/DA* 50~135
>> 


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Re: K-3 functions - tidbits from the manual

[Stan Halpin]

On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

> on the K-3 in addition to Distortion Correction and Lateral Aberration 
> Correction, they have added "Peripheral Illumination Correction" 

I've been thinking about this function. The lens correction functions only work 
on more recent DA-era lenses: DA, DA-L, and D-FA plus the 31/43/77mm Limiteds. 
10-17 Fisheye excluded.

I don't recall any discussion about a big issue with vignetting on any of these 
lenses. They could be just trying to stretch the IQ just a bit more, correcting 
possible minor issue. OR Maybe this new correction function was developed for a 
FF under development? A step in the direction of (somewhat) supporting APS-C 
lenses on the FF sensor? 

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Re: full frame??

[kwaller]

It must be true, how can you ignore an internet forum that banned Bill 
Robb.


YO MARK!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bill" 

Subject: Re: full frame??



On 02/11/2013 10:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

David J Brooks wrote:

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:


On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:13 AM, David J Brooks  
wrote:


 From the Pentax
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/241252-visit-quebec-city-photo-expo-discussion-reps-many-interesting-things.html#post2561524

Get the hat out Cotty, if its true


More of the sane old same old.


I was just about to scoff at this rumor because, well, it *is* Pentax
Forums.

It must be true, how can you ignore an internet forum that banned Bill 
Robb.


...but I didn't realize their cred had been boosted by this event.
Perhaps I'll have to take it seriously.



They couldn't handle the truth.

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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[kwaller]

Yeah, you would bitch about getting a couple extra beers in your
flight.


I doubt it, but I wouldn't title the resulting photo 'tasting flight plus 
one'.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 

Subject: Re: PESO tasting flight plus one



On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 12:27:20PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:

Where I go, a flight is what they bring me on the serving board.


Yeah, you would bitch about getting a couple extra beers in your
flight.




-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
>Subject: Re: PESO tasting flight plus one
>
>On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 12:04:20PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>>
>> Looks to me like tasting flight plus two !
>
>The tasting flights at BC Breweryof one of everything (except the
>premium or whatever they call it) on tap.
>
>Looking on facebook, this seems to be their tap list:
>Golden Promise ESB 5.0% abv 35 IBU’s Served on nitrogen
>West Park Wit 5.5% abv 11 IBU’s
>Redwood Ale 6.0% abv 30 IBU’s
>Spirit Stag XPA 6.0% abv 32 IBU’s
>San Lorenzo Porter 5.8% abv
>Ghost Pumpkin 6.5% abv 20
>Dragon’s Breath IPA 7.6% abv
>Yikes! the Tripel 10.3% abv 36
>Russian Ridge Imperial Stout 8.4% abv
>
>The porter was interesting, it was made with toasted coconut.
>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Larry Colen 
>> >Subject: PESO tasting flight plus one
>> >
>> >Taken at the local brewpub on Wednesday night:
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/10620873883/
>> >
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>> >http://red4est.com/




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Automotive miscegenation

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Re: Question about finding "Missing folder" in LR

[Paul Sorenson]

The volume command (vol [drive:]) will display the volume name.  Use the 
label command to set the volume name.


http://tinyurl.com/elaet

-p

On 11/1/2013 10:47 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/termsv/g/volume-label.htm

I'm not a Windows user, but that page seems to give the basic info required.

A volume label is a higher level file system construct than a drive letter and 
persists even if the drive letter changes. Once you set volume labels for your 
system, start LR. It will pick them up and display them in the Folders panel. 
Once a volume label is in use, LR uses that instead of a drive letter because 
file system calls to a volume label are translated by the OS to the underlying 
current hardware letter identifier.

Godfrey


On Nov 1, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:



Godfrey,

How would I do that on Windows?
Once I import the photos from the HDD, LR (at least up to ver. 3.4)
sets that the photos are on a particular HDD, with a specific drive letter.
I was not able to find how I can disentangle from that.

Igor


Fri Nov 1 15:44:20 EDT 2013
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


If you set a drive label (volume name for OS X users, but volume
names/labels are only optional on Windows), Lr will use and prefer that,
all the confusion of changing drive letters will disappear.

Godfrey


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Re: Filters?

[Steve Cottrell]

Just on he subject of cleaning lenses - I keep a clean handkerchief in
one back pocket. Stout blow of hot breath on the element and a good wipe
round with the hanky and hey presto. I do that with my A*85/1.4 (500
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Re: October "best of"

[Larry Colen]

Thanks Boris.
That might be the best compliment I've gotten since a teacher in high school 
said I reminded him off the poster about marching to the beat of a different 
drummer.

Boris Liberman  wrote:
>If diversity is life, then, Larry, you're very much alive.
>
>On 11/2/2013 8:20 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> Most of these were PESOs in the past week, but continuiong my
>tradition
>> of my monthly faves:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157636893059015/
>>

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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 03:00:56PM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote:
> Is that the place we went to while I was out there?

Probably. There's only one brewpub in the valley, for any others
we have to drive 8-12 miles in the other direction to go to one
of the brewpubs in Santa Cruz.

> 
> If so, they make a pretty tasty brew.
> 
> -- Walt
> 
> On 11/2/2013 12:19 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >Taken at the local brewpub on Wednesday night:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/10620873883/
> >
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Re: Filters?

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 02:03:24PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> A couple of incidental notes:
> 

This may be the out of context quote of the week:

> he's a very good photographer outside the morgue and has won prizes
> for his landscapes in juried competitions.

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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Walt Gilbert]

Is that the place we went to while I was out there?

If so, they make a pretty tasty brew.

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On 11/2/2013 12:19 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Taken at the local brewpub on Wednesday night:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/10620873883/




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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> It's only dangerous at the end of the flight.

I guess that's why you dump fuel before landing.

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Re: full frame??

[Larry Colen]

Which brings up the most compelling reason for Ricoh to tell release a full 
frame Pentax. So people will quit holding off on other purchases.

Boris Liberman  wrote:
>On 11/2/2013 3:42 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:
>> "Corporate commitment" is the phrase that comes to mind. Maybe it is
>> just about a really good sales VP who has been successful in
>> communicating an optimistic tone down through the sales and
>> distribution rank and file, but it really seems more positive than
>> that.
>
>IMHO, the timing of such a rumor or a leak can't be possibly worse. The
>
>K-3 is hitting the shelves... So the customer base should be encouraged
>
>to take out their credit cards and get 'em swipin'... But due to
>sayings 
>such as this, some cards may not get swiped after all... No good.

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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Larry Colen]

It's only dangerous at the end of the flight.

Matthew Hunt  wrote:
>On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, you would bitch about getting a couple extra beers in your
>> flight.
>
>It's dangerous to be on an overweight flight.

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Re: K-3 functions - tidbits from the manual

[Stan Halpin]

Replies interspersed with your interspersed replies:

On Nov 2, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Reply interspersed:
> 
> On 11/2/2013 5:27 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:
>> p21 As an element in E-Dial Programming, it is now possible to change
>> dial direction from the default. Create your own logic for whether a
>> rightward/leftward turn of theFront/Rear dials will increase or
>> decrease EV.
> 
> I think the same applies to K-5.

I don't think so. You can change the function of the dials in various exposure 
modes but the +/- directional behavior of the dials is fixed. If you have found 
a way to change this on the K-5 I would like to hear about it!

> 
>> p45 Three (3!) AF modes: AF-S, AF-C, and (drum roll please) AF-A
>> which automagically switches between AF-S and AF-C depending on what
>> is going on in front of the camera. Barely defined, not explained in
>> any detail; I'll be intrigued to see how this works.
> 
> Now, this camera will have to have a seriously more powerful CPU...
> 
>> p59 Lens distortion correction for the 31/43/77 Limiteds and FA-era
>> lenses.
> 
> Already present in K-5.

You are right. I hadn't found that before. However on the K-3 in addition to 
Distortion Correction and Lateral Aberration Correction, they have added 
"Peripheral Illumination Correction" (which I think is what we call 
vignetting). And unlike with the K-5, there are no warnings about how using 
these will slow down the FPS when using Continuous shooting and slow down 
production of Instant Reviews. Either their processing engine is much faster or 
they are just leaving out such warnings in favor of keeping the manual shorter.

> 
>> p73 One of the functions that can be assigned to the Fx button is SR
>> On/Off. For those that still miss the switch on the back of the
>> camera.
> 
> This could prove very convenient.
> 
> 
> Boris
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Re: Filters?

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On Sat, Nov 02, 2013, Bill wrote:
>
> The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want
> protection, buy a lens hood.

There was a post a while back on lensrentals.com that said roughly the
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Re: Filters?

[Mark Roberts]

A couple of incidental notes:

Scratches on the front element of a lens have *very* little effect on
image quality  (unless there are so many of them that veiling flare
starts to reach intolerable levels). Scratches on the *rear* element
of a lens are much more dangerous. Protect that rear element at all
costs when swapping lenses!

For those who wondered why my friend photographs under UV light at
all, he's a forensic pathologist: he says UV is really good for
revealing bite marks. I'll just take him at his word for that... But
he's a very good photographer outside the morgue and has won prizes
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Re: Filters?

[Mark Roberts]

Eric Weir wrote:

>On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>
>> I'll confirm everything Godfrey wrote and add one more detail:
>> ordinary lens glass filters out virtually all UV. I have a friend who
>> occasionally shoots UV and he has to use a special fluorite glass lens
>> to do so (it's an ungodly-expensive Nikon macro specifically made for
>> UV photography).
>> 
>> Flare from filters, especially non-multicoated filters, can be a real
>> issue. Particularly veiling flare which isn't always obvious.
>
>Thanks, Mark. Just wanted to double-check my understanding: Ordinary lens 
>glass without flyers filters out UV?

Yep. It's actually quite difficult to make glass that *doesn't* block
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Re: Filters?

[Paul Stenquist]

To clean a lens or filter brush lightly with a soft camel hair brush to remove 
particles. Then spray a small bit of ROR residual oil remover and wipe with a 
spotless microfiber lens cloth.

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> On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want
>>> protection, buy a lens hood.
>> 
>> Bill's right.
>> For protection, buy a lens hood.
>> It also improves contrast and reduces flare in your lens.
> 
> Thanks Bob and Bill, and to everyone else who’s replied. The pros and cons 
> seem about equal. Still I consider myself informed. 
> 
> I have hoods for some of my lenses. Never thought of them as protection. My 
> thinking at present is to go with them, but to acquire filters for corrective 
> purposes—and for protection down the road should I change my mind.
> 
> A couple of related questions: [1] Larry spoke of using a neutral density 
> filter the other day. What are they for? [2] What’s your reaction to using a 
> clean microfiber cloth to wipe a lens?
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Re: Filters?

[Bob W]

I make my swords out of ploughshares.

B

> On 2 Nov 2013, at 17:15, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> I can hardly see how a sword can be made from a lens filter... At best it can 
> be turned to a shuriken...
> 
>> On 11/2/2013 7:09 PM, Bob W wrote:
>>> On 2 Nov 2013, at 13:09, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> [...]. I await the Mongol Horde of filter extremists and their flaming 
>>> swords ... Perhaps I'll offer them tea
>> 
>> ...and a filter-tipped Camel
>> 
>>> 
>>> Godfrey
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:00 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
 
 Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 
 28/2.8 with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv 
 filters [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the 
 order arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
 
 My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought 
 maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, 
 however, I encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter 
 and uv vs. haze, and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen.
 
 I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.
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Re: full frame??

[Boris Liberman]

On 11/2/2013 3:42 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

"Corporate commitment" is the phrase that comes to mind. Maybe it is
just about a really good sales VP who has been successful in
communicating an optimistic tone down through the sales and
distribution rank and file, but it really seems more positive than
that.


IMHO, the timing of such a rumor or a leak can't be possibly worse. The 
K-3 is hitting the shelves... So the customer base should be encouraged 
to take out their credit cards and get 'em swipin'... But due to sayings 
such as this, some cards may not get swiped after all... No good.


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Re: Filters?

[Bob W]

On 2 Nov 2013, at 16:38, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want
>>> protection, buy a lens hood.
>> 
>> Bill's right.
>> For protection, buy a lens hood.
>> It also improves contrast and reduces flare in your lens.
> 
> Thanks Bob and Bill, and to everyone else who’s replied. The pros and cons 
> seem about equal. Still I consider myself informed. 
> 
> I have hoods for some of my lenses. Never thought of them as protection. My 
> thinking at present is to go with them, but to acquire filters for corrective 
> purposes—and for protection down the road should I change my mind.

The broken filter I posted a link to was on a lens which also had a hood on. I 
always use a lens hood.

> 
> A couple of related questions: [1] Larry spoke of using a neutral density 
> filter the other day. What are they for?

They reduce the amount of light entering the lens without affecting colour or 
tonality. Use them in bright sunlight if you want to open the aperture and 
shoot with a slow shutter speed. It's a bit like changing the iso setting.

> [2] What’s your reaction to using a clean microfiber cloth to wipe a lens?

That's what they're for.

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Re: October "best of"

[Boris Liberman]

If diversity is life, then, Larry, you're very much alive.

On 11/2/2013 8:20 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

Most of these were PESOs in the past week, but continuiong my tradition
of my monthly faves:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157636893059015/




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Re: Filters?

[Boris Liberman]

I can hardly see how a sword can be made from a lens filter... At best 
it can be turned to a shuriken...


On 11/2/2013 7:09 PM, Bob W wrote:

On 2 Nov 2013, at 13:09, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:


[...]. I await the Mongol Horde of filter extremists and their flaming swords 
... Perhaps I'll offer them tea


...and a filter-tipped Camel



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On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:00 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 28/2.8 
with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters [Tiffen] 
for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the order arrived I had 
two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.

My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought 
maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however, I 
encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. haze, 
and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen.

I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.







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Re: full frame??

[Bill]

On 02/11/2013 10:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

David J Brooks wrote:


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:



On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:13 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

 From the Pentax
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/241252-visit-quebec-city-photo-expo-discussion-reps-many-interesting-things.html#post2561524

Get the hat out Cotty, if its true


More of the sane old same old.


I was just about to scoff at this rumor because, well, it *is* Pentax
Forums.


It must be true, how can you ignore an internet forum that banned Bill Robb.


...but I didn't realize their cred had been boosted by this event.
Perhaps I'll have to take it seriously.



They couldn't handle the truth.

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Re: Filters?

[Bob W]

On 2 Nov 2013, at 16:05, Walt Gilbert  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/2/2013 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 02/11/2013 5:00 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
>>> 
>>> Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 28/2.8 
>>> with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters 
>>> [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the order 
>>> arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
>>> 
>>> My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought 
>>> maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however, 
>>> I encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. 
>>> haze, and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen.
>>> 
>>> I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.
>> The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want 
>> protection, buy a lens hood.
>> 
>> bill
> That's been my approach ever since Paul Stenquist settled the question for me 
> by saying something to the effect of, "filters turn good glass into average 
> glass".

Saying it don't make it so.

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Re: HD PENTAX-DA 20-40mm F2.8-4 ED Limited DC WR

[Boris Liberman]

E.g. - what is the filter thread diameter of this lens? What is its 
weight/size? Is it "full frame"? What is its MSRP?


These are the questions that I find important. The pictures from the net 
can serve as a trigger for discussion, no more than that.


Boris


On 11/2/2013 3:12 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

The pictures are fake too?

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

But, Darren, this is just a rumor!

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On November 1, 2013 3:40:13 PM Darren Addy  wrote:


HD PENTAX-DA 20-40mm F2.8-4 ED Limited DC WR

http://photorumors.com/2013/10/31/two-new-pentax-lenses-to-be-announced-soon/#ixzz2jOv0efnN

Weather sealed. This doesn't really trip my trigger, but it is nice to
see one of the lenses on the "2013 or later" road map getting
released.

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Re: Filters?

[Mark C]

I use a Pentax SMC UV filter on my A* 200 macro for lens protection, and 
I have not noticed any degradation in the image quality. Every now and 
then I wind up having to remove and clean the UV filter due to a major 
problem - like when the rig tips over and goes lens first into muck. It 
is a relief to be able to simply remove and clean the filter and not 
have to worry about the lens glass. Otherwise I don't bother with 
protective filters. If the lens is worth it and if you are using it in a 
setting where it could be damaged, it makes sense to use a high quality 
filter.


I use Tiffen filters for other applications - generally B&W film 
photography - and have never had any problems with them. A coated or 
multicoated filter would be est, though.


Mark

On 11/2/2013 7:00 AM, Eric Weir wrote:

Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 28/2.8 
with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters [Tiffen] 
for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the order arrived I had 
two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.

My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought 
maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however, I 
encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. haze, 
and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen.

I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.

Thanks,
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Re: K-3 functions - tidbits from the manual

[Boris Liberman]

Reply interspersed:

On 11/2/2013 5:27 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:

p21 As an element in E-Dial Programming, it is now possible to change
dial direction from the default. Create your own logic for whether a
rightward/leftward turn of theFront/Rear dials will increase or
decrease EV.


I think the same applies to K-5.


p45 Three (3!) AF modes: AF-S, AF-C, and (drum roll please) AF-A
which automagically switches between AF-S and AF-C depending on what
is going on in front of the camera. Barely defined, not explained in
any detail; I'll be intrigued to see how this works.


Now, this camera will have to have a seriously more powerful CPU...


p59 Lens distortion correction for the 31/43/77 Limiteds and FA-era
lenses.


Already present in K-5.


p73 One of the functions that can be assigned to the Fx button is SR
On/Off. For those that still miss the switch on nthe back of the
camera.


This could prove very convenient.


Boris

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Re: Filters?

[Bob W]

On 2 Nov 2013, at 13:09, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> [...]. I await the Mongol Horde of filter extremists and their flaming swords 
> ... Perhaps I'll offer them tea

...and a filter-tipped Camel

> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:00 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 28/2.8 
>> with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters 
>> [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the order 
>> arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
>> 
>> My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought 
>> maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however, 
>> I encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. 
>> haze, and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen. 
>> 
>> I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.
> 

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Re: Filters?

[Boris Liberman]

Eric, my first two FA Limited lenses came with matching SMC UV filters 
(one silver, one black to match the lens barrel colors). Beside these, 
I'm using only B+W filters. Normally my more valuable lenses have 
protective filters attached. Israel is a dusty country, thus I prefer to 
have to clean the filter and not the lens surface.


Beside that, I don't see any visible image degradation. Off the top of 
my head, the filters may cause flare more easily if the lens to which 
they are attached is a wide angle one. Then, even if you use the hood 
(which I do all the time) due to the fact that the filter will 
effectively make the hood more shallow - the flare will be easier to catch.


The "to filter or not to filter" is a typical "big endian/little endian" 
question - so if a debate begins anew, it goes on without an end...


Boris


On 11/2/2013 1:00 PM, Eric Weir wrote:


Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A
28/2.8 with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv
filters [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When
the order arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.

My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I
thought maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on
photo.net, however, I encountered a diversity of opinions about
filter vs. no filter and uv vs. haze, and strongly negative opinions
about Tiffen.

I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.

Thanks,
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Re: Nikon Retro Video - Pentax content

[Bob W]

On 2 Nov 2013, at 14:26, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 02/11/2013 6:37 AM, Bob W wrote:
>> 
>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell
>>> 
>>> On 2/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> 
 what a load of old bollocks those Nikon ads are.
>>> 
>>> You really are a grumpy old fucker aren't you.
>>> 
>> 
>> that's why I'm here.
>> 
> Thanks for taking over for me. With the meds I'm on, I'm having a hard time 
> being grumpy.
> 
> bill

I can never be more than the shadow of your shadow.

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Re: Filters?

[Eric Weir]

On Nov 2, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> I'll confirm everything Godfrey wrote and add one more detail:
> ordinary lens glass filters out virtually all UV. I have a friend who
> occasionally shoots UV and he has to use a special fluorite glass lens
> to do so (it's an ungodly-expensive Nikon macro specifically made for
> UV photography).
> 
> Flare from filters, especially non-multicoated filters, can be a real
> issue. Particularly veiling flare which isn't always obvious.

Thanks, Mark. Just wanted to double-check my understanding: Ordinary lens glass 
without flyers filters out UV?

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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Matthew Hunt]

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> Yeah, you would bitch about getting a couple extra beers in your
> flight.

It's dangerous to be on an overweight flight.

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Re: full frame??

[Mark Roberts]

David J Brooks wrote:

>On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:13 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>>
>>> From the Pentax
>>> http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/241252-visit-quebec-city-photo-expo-discussion-reps-many-interesting-things.html#post2561524
>>>
>>> Get the hat out Cotty, if its true
>>>
>> More of the sane old same old.

I was just about to scoff at this rumor because, well, it *is* Pentax
Forums. 

>It must be true, how can you ignore an internet forum that banned Bill Robb.

...but I didn't realize their cred had been boosted by this event.
Perhaps I'll have to take it seriously.
 
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Re: Filters?

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>Tiffen filters are often ok glass-wise, but often have cheap, aluminum mounts 
>with sharply 
>cut threads that can damage plastic and soft metal lens mounting threads if 
>not handled 
>carefully. They are also prone to getting jammed and being difficult to 
>remove. 
>
>Haze vs UV vs UV Haze for protecting a lens on a digital camera makes no 
>difference whatever. 
>All three are designed to filter out UV light scatter, which digital sensors 
>are not 
>particularly sensitive to. 

I'll confirm everything Godfrey wrote and add one more detail:
ordinary lens glass filters out virtually all UV. I have a friend who
occasionally shoots UV and he has to use a special fluorite glass lens
to do so (it's an ungodly-expensive Nikon macro specifically made for
UV photography).

Flare from filters, especially non-multicoated filters, can be a real
issue. Particularly veiling flare which isn't always obvious.
 
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Re: full frame??

[Steve Cottrell]

On 2/11/13, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>From the Pentax
>Forums:http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/241252-
>visit-quebec-city-photo-expo-discussion-reps-many-interesting-
>things.html#post2561524
>
>Get the hat out Cotty, if its true


a link that works:



or




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Re: Filters?

[Eric Weir]

On Nov 2, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want
>> protection, buy a lens hood.
> 
> Bill's right.
> For protection, buy a lens hood.
> It also improves contrast and reduces flare in your lens.

Thanks Bob and Bill, and to everyone else who’s replied. The pros and cons seem 
about equal. Still I consider myself informed. 

I have hoods for some of my lenses. Never thought of them as protection. My 
thinking at present is to go with them, but to acquire filters for corrective 
purposes—and for protection down the road should I change my mind.

A couple of related questions: [1] Larry spoke of using a neutral density 
filter the other day. What are they for? [2] What’s your reaction to using a 
clean microfiber cloth to wipe a lens?

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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 12:27:20PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> Where I go, a flight is what they bring me on the serving board.

Yeah, you would bitch about getting a couple extra beers in your 
flight.

> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Larry Colen 
> >Subject: Re: PESO tasting flight plus one
> >
> >On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 12:04:20PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> >> 
> >> Looks to me like tasting flight plus two !
> >
> >The tasting flights at BC Breweryof one of everything (except the 
> >premium or whatever they call it) on tap. 
> >
> >Looking on facebook, this seems to be their tap list:
> >Golden Promise ESB 5.0% abv 35 IBU’s Served on nitrogen
> >West Park Wit 5.5% abv 11 IBU’s
> >Redwood Ale 6.0% abv 30 IBU’s
> >Spirit Stag XPA 6.0% abv 32 IBU’s
> >San Lorenzo Porter 5.8% abv
> >Ghost Pumpkin 6.5% abv 20
> >Dragon’s Breath IPA 7.6% abv
> >Yikes! the Tripel 10.3% abv 36
> >Russian Ridge Imperial Stout 8.4% abv
> >
> >The porter was interesting, it was made with toasted coconut.
> >
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> >From: Larry Colen 
> >> >Subject: PESO tasting flight plus one
> >> >
> >> >Taken at the local brewpub on Wednesday night:
> >> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/10620873883/
> >> >
> >> >-- 
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> 
> 
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Re: Filters?

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 11:24:19AM -, Bob W wrote:
>  
> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Eric Weir
> 
> There are 2 schools of thought on using clear filters for protecting lenses.
> One rational and sensible school of thought is that it is a good idea and
> doesn't do any noticeable harm to your pictures; the other is wrong, an
> abomination in the sight of the Lord, and should be dragged behind horses
> through the streets of olde Londonne Towne, then burnt on a pyre built from
> their land and holdings. Yea, verily.
> 

I feel that both schools of thought have merit.  

The vast majority of the time, a UV filter in front of my lens is
not going to be the limiting factor in image quality, but a scratch
or a chip on the front of the lens could be.

In cases where I have the time to make sure everything else is perfect,
and a UV filter would make a detectable (though probably not noticable)
difference, I can take it off for a few minutes with little effort.  

If I were to only shoot in the studio, with hepa filtered air so that
I never had to clean my lenses, or worry about incidental damage, then
I wouldn't bother with them. 

If you are photographing something very bright in a dark environment,
do take the UV filter off because the bright light will bounce off the
front element then off the filter, and will show up in your images.

To see this, just photograph the night sky, with the moon in it, particularly
with it off center in the image.

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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Kenneth Waller]

Where I go, a flight is what they bring me on the serving board.


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
>Subject: Re: PESO tasting flight plus one
>
>On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 12:04:20PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:
>> 
>> Looks to me like tasting flight plus two !
>
>The tasting flights at BC Breweryof one of everything (except the 
>premium or whatever they call it) on tap. 
>
>Looking on facebook, this seems to be their tap list:
>Golden Promise ESB 5.0% abv 35 IBU’s Served on nitrogen
>West Park Wit 5.5% abv 11 IBU’s
>Redwood Ale 6.0% abv 30 IBU’s
>Spirit Stag XPA 6.0% abv 32 IBU’s
>San Lorenzo Porter 5.8% abv
>Ghost Pumpkin 6.5% abv 20
>Dragon’s Breath IPA 7.6% abv
>Yikes! the Tripel 10.3% abv 36
>Russian Ridge Imperial Stout 8.4% abv
>
>The porter was interesting, it was made with toasted coconut.
>
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Larry Colen 
>> >Subject: PESO tasting flight plus one
>> >
>> >Taken at the local brewpub on Wednesday night:
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/10620873883/
>> >
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Re: October "best of"

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 11:11:38AM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote:
> On 11/2/2013 2:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:41:47AM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote:
> >>You had a damned good month, Larry. Every one of those is excellent.
> >Thanks a bunch.
> >
> >>I would love to see a b&w conversion of 14718, though. It seems
> >>tailor-made for that kind of treatment to my eye.
> >Since you asked:
> >http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157636893059015/
> Looks like it didn't make it into the set, but I found it under the
> "Recent" category. That's what I had in mind. The background
> certainly looks more interesting to my eye in a b&w
> 
> It's a nice shot either way, but I do like the b&w rendering better.

There were a couple of photos this month that I was tempted to do
B&W, as they were already close, and decided that I liked a little 
bit of color better.

I do appreciate the feedback on my photos, it is a lot of why
I post them, getting other people's feedback really helps me
improve my work.


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Re: October "best of"

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 09:39:09AM +, Bob W wrote:
> Excellent set. That swirly beach on Big Sur is excellent, and looks like one 
> that Ansel Adams photographed. 

Thanks a bunch.  It is McWay falls in Big Sur.  I tried to find an Adams 
photo of it, but all I found was a comment that they cannot believe he 
never photographed it.  

> 
> Mind you, it's a beach. They all look like he photographed them. Or Erwitt.
> 
> B

And thanks to everyone else who looked and responded.

> 
> > On 2 Nov 2013, at 06:20, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > 
> > Most of these were PESOs in the past week, but continuiong my tradition
> > of my monthly faves:
> > http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157636893059015/
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RE: Filters?

[Kenneth Waller]

I've always used UV filters on all my lenses, except the 600. Mine are all 
Pentax or top end B+W. I have polarizers for most of my lenses which are used 
when the occasion calls for them. Use to have numerous other filters when I 
shot film, which are mostly not needed now with digital. Filters have saved 
damage to my lenses on more than one occasion.


-Original Message-
>From: Bob W 
>Subject: RE: Filters?
>
> 
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Eric Weir
>> 
>> 
>> Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap 
>> on the A 28/2.8 with a uv filter. Recently I thought I 
>> ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters [Tiffen] for use as lens 
>> protectors on two other lenses. When the order arrived I had 
>> two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
>> 
>> My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a 
>> little I thought maybe I'd keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. 
>> uv haze on photo.net, however, I encountered a diversity of 
>> opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. haze, and 
>> strongly negative opinions about Tiffen. 
>> 
>> I'd be interested in this group's thoughts. 
>> 
>
>I've never used Tiffen filters, so can't comment on those. I use B+W,
>Contax/Zeiss, Heliopan and the top end Hoya filters. Nowadays I only use a
>UV filter, although I still have some polarisers. Haze filters are useful
>for, er, haze.
>
>There are 2 schools of thought on using clear filters for protecting lenses.
>One rational and sensible school of thought is that it is a good idea and
>doesn't do any noticeable harm to your pictures; the other is wrong, an
>abomination in the sight of the Lord, and should be dragged behind horses
>through the streets of olde Londonne Towne, then burnt on a pyre built from
>their land and holdings. Yea, verily.
>
>You may recall when we met up in Norfolk I had smashed the filter on the
>front of my Olympus. This is the sort of argument that convinces me that
>it's better to sacrifice a filter, even an expensive one, than to smash a
>lens.
>
>
>Nevertheless, I don't have a filter on the front of my Fuji X100, nor on the
>front of one or two of my Leica lenses, so perhaps I am a whited sepulchre,
>appearing beautiful outward, but being within full of dead men's bones, and
>of all uncleanness.
>
>If I were to buy a Leica MM I would probably want a variety of old skool
>filters, green, yellow, OG etc.
>
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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 12:04:20PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:
> 
> Looks to me like tasting flight plus two !

The tasting flights at BC Breweryof one of everything (except the 
premium or whatever they call it) on tap. 

Looking on facebook, this seems to be their tap list:
Golden Promise ESB 5.0% abv 35 IBU’s Served on nitrogen
West Park Wit 5.5% abv 11 IBU’s
Redwood Ale 6.0% abv 30 IBU’s
Spirit Stag XPA 6.0% abv 32 IBU’s
San Lorenzo Porter 5.8% abv
Ghost Pumpkin 6.5% abv 20
Dragon’s Breath IPA 7.6% abv
Yikes! the Tripel 10.3% abv 36
Russian Ridge Imperial Stout 8.4% abv

The porter was interesting, it was made with toasted coconut.

> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Larry Colen 
> >Subject: PESO tasting flight plus one
> >
> >Taken at the local brewpub on Wednesday night:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/10620873883/
> >
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Re: October "best of"

[Walt Gilbert]

On 11/2/2013 2:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:41:47AM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote:

You had a damned good month, Larry. Every one of those is excellent.

Thanks a bunch.


I would love to see a b&w conversion of 14718, though. It seems
tailor-made for that kind of treatment to my eye.

Since you asked:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157636893059015/
Looks like it didn't make it into the set, but I found it under the 
"Recent" category. That's what I had in mind. The background certainly 
looks more interesting to my eye in a b&w


It's a nice shot either way, but I do like the b&w rendering better.

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Re: Filters?

[Walt Gilbert]

On 11/2/2013 9:22 AM, Bill wrote:

On 02/11/2013 5:00 AM, Eric Weir wrote:


Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 
28/2.8 with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv 
filters [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When 
the order arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.


My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I 
thought maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on 
photo.net, however, I encountered a diversity of opinions about 
filter vs. no filter and uv vs. haze, and strongly negative opinions 
about Tiffen.


I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.


The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want 
protection, buy a lens hood.


bill

That's been my approach ever since Paul Stenquist settled the question 
for me by saying something to the effect of, "filters turn good glass 
into average glass".


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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Kenneth Waller]

Looks to me like tasting flight plus two !

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>From: Larry Colen 
>Subject: PESO tasting flight plus one
>
>Taken at the local brewpub on Wednesday night:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/10620873883/
>
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Re: October "best of"

[Kenneth Waller]

Larry, it looks like a nice selection of thought out images!
Nice job!

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>From: Larry Colen 
>Subject: October "best of"
>
>Most of these were PESOs in the past week, but continuiong my tradition
>of my monthly faves:
>http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157636893059015/
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Re: Filters?

[Bruce Walker]

And big lens hoods impress the ladies.

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Bill's right.
> For protection, buy a lens hood.
> It also improves contrast and reduces flare in your lens.
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
>> On 02/11/2013 5:00 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A
>>> 28/2.8 with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv
>>> filters [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the
>>> order arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
>>>
>>> My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought
>>> maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however,
>>> I encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs.
>>> haze, and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen.
>>>
>>> I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>> The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want
>> protection, buy a lens hood.
>>
>> bill
>>
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Re: full frame??

[Bob Sullivan]

They banned Wheatfield Willy?  Bastards!!!  Who's keeping them honest?!!

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:25 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Paul Stenquist  
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>> More of the sane old same old.
>
> It must be true, how can you ignore an internet forum that banned Bill Robb.
>
> Dave
>>
>> Paul via phone
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Re: Filters?

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill's right.
For protection, buy a lens hood.
It also improves contrast and reduces flare in your lens.
Regards, Bob S.

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 02/11/2013 5:00 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
>>
>>
>> Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A
>> 28/2.8 with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv
>> filters [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the
>> order arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
>>
>> My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought
>> maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however,
>> I encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs.
>> haze, and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen.
>>
>> I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.
>>
>>
> The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want
> protection, buy a lens hood.
>
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Re: October "best of"

[Bruce Walker]

You really did have a great month! Couple of those would make a great
year for me, especially the sleeping seals 16035, and tidal pool
(16548). Nice sunset! (15816)


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> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157636893059015/
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Re: full frame??

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> More of the sane old same old.

It must be true, how can you ignore an internet forum that banned Bill Robb.

Dave
>
> Paul via phone
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>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:13 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
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Re: Nikon Retro Video - Pentax content

[Bill]

On 02/11/2013 6:37 AM, Bob W wrote:



From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell

On 2/11/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:


what a load of old bollocks those Nikon ads are.


You really are a grumpy old fucker aren't you.



that's why I'm here.

Thanks for taking over for me. With the meds I'm on, I'm having a hard 
time being grumpy.


bill


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Re: Filters?

[Bill]

On 02/11/2013 5:00 AM, Eric Weir wrote:


Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 28/2.8 
with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters [Tiffen] 
for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the order arrived I had 
two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.

My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought 
maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however, I 
encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. haze, 
and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen.

I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.


The only time I use filters is when I need a polarizer. If you want 
protection, buy a lens hood.


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Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

[Jack Davis]

Yes, there were some of those "full frontals" but for a number reasons, 
including the background,
Glad I did, I find the white of the eye especially interesting and it's 
probably due to side lighting.(?)
 
Jack


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Subject: Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

Strong image.  I like the POV;  for some reason, most owl image are
full frontal.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Spent an hour or so at the Sacramento Zoo this PM. Attaching shot of an Elf 
> owl. Bird book best comparison is a Screech!?
>
> Jack
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>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=718
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Re: Filters?

[Doug Brewer]

On 11/2/13 7:24 AM, Bob W wrote:
the other is wrong, an abomination in the sight of the Lord, and 
should be dragged behind horses through the streets of olde Londonne 
Towne, then burnt on a pyre built from their land and holdings. Yea, 
verily.
you forgot the salting of the earth part and the foulest curse upon 
descendents, but yeah. Verily.


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Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

[Jack Davis]

Thanks for commenting, Bob!
 
Jack


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Subject: Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

On 2 Nov 2013, at 04:30, David Mann  wrote:
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 11:21 am, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> Spent an hour or so at the Sacramento Zoo this PM. Attaching shot of an Elf 
>> owl. Bird book best comparison is a Screech!?
> 
> Very nice.  Looks like he's thinking about something.
> 

Probably wishing he was born a cormorant. Hootiful plumage.


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Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Brian! I'll pass it on to luck and my DA50~135. ;-)
 
Jack


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Quoting Jack Davis :

> Spent an hour or so at the Sacramento Zoo this PM. Attaching shot of  
> an Elf owl. Bird book best comparison is a Screech!?
>  
> Jack
>  
>  
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=718


Nice one, Jack. Really sharp around the eye and the background suits  
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Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

[Jack Davis]

Probably asking, "why am I so fascinating?" The tiny thing was being held 
sitting on a leather glove worn by an extremely patient zoo docent.
 
Jack


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Subject: Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

On Nov 2, 2013, at 11:21 am, Jack Davis  wrote:

> Spent an hour or so at the Sacramento Zoo this PM. Attaching shot of an Elf 
> owl. Bird book best comparison is a Screech!?

Very nice.  Looks like he's thinking about something.

Cheers,
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Re: Filters?

[Jack Davis]

I consider both "haze" and "UV" filters as correcting and have used both. UV 
especially come to mind when shooting at higher altitudes.

Jack

 

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Subject: Re: Filters?

Tiffen filters are often ok glass-wise, but often have cheap, aluminum mounts 
with sharply cut threads that can damage plastic and soft metal lens mounting 
threads if not handled carefully. They are also prone to getting jammed and 
being difficult to remove. 

Haze vs UV vs UV Haze for protecting a lens on a digital camera makes no 
difference whatever. All three are designed to filter out UV light scatter, 
which digital sensors are not particularly sensitive to. 

The biggest things to watch out for with filters is added flare and focusing 
issues. Some are improperly made and have some curvature or a wedge shape to 
their surfaces. Those can degrade image sharpness and cause AF issues. Even 
multicoated filters will add some flare potential and should always be used 
with a good lens hood. 

I saw flare problems and stopped using protection filters as a general rule in 
the early 1980s. But I do still use one from time to time depending on 
circumstances. Most of the time I just leave my lens unprotected except for a 
lens hood. I await the Mongol Horde of filter extremists and their flaming 
swords ... Perhaps I'll offer them tea. 

Godfrey



> On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:00 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 28/2.8 
> with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters 
> [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the order 
> arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
> 
> My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought 
> maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however, I 
> encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. 
> haze, and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen. 
> 
> I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.

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Re: OT: A Blog Post

[Jeffery Johnson]

Thanks Dan I do appreciate that a whole lot.

On 11/2/2013 8:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Nice Blog article and great images, BTW.  Congrats.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Jeffery Johnson
 wrote:

Lisa Taron wrote about me and Photo Captures by Jeffery on her blog, The Pet
Blog Lady. If you wish to read the post here is a link to the post on her
blog.

http://www.petbloglady.com/2013/11/stunning-images-of-animals-photo-captures-by-jeffery.html

Later,
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Re: Filters?

[Stan Halpin]

That about sums up my opinion.

stan

On Nov 2, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Bob W wrote:

> an
> abomination in the sight of the Lord, and should be dragged behind horses
> through the streets of olde Londonne Towne, then burnt on a pyre built from
> their land and holdings. Yea, verily.


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Re: full frame??

[Stan Halpin]

And more lenses coming to re-ignite LBL in those of us who thought that they 
had finally acquired everything they needed.
I've seen the Roadmap but haven't given it much thought (apart from noting the 
1.4x TC), The encouraging element here for me is that it seems more like Ricoh 
is really serious and that the projected lenses are not just some vague notion 
of something that might maybe possibly happen someday but only if all the stars 
align just right and some mid-level manager had a good night the night before. 
. .

"Corporate commitment" is the phrase that comes to mind. Maybe it is just about 
a really good sales VP who has been successful in communicating an optimistic 
tone down through the sales and distribution rank and file, but it really seems 
more positive than that.

The nice thing about a large profitable company is that a management with a 
long-term strategic vision can realize that every single product does not have 
to make a profit. A FF camera becomes not only feasible but could be quite 
competitive if it is sold as a loss leader. 

stan

On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:13 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

> From the Pentax
> Forums:http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/241252-visit-quebec-city-photo-expo-discussion-reps-many-interesting-things.html#post2561524
> 
> Get the hat out Cotty, if its true
> 
> Dave
> 


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Re: Filters?

[Paul Stenquist]

I stopped using filters for protection around the same time. A halfway decent 
filter turns a great lens into a halfway decent lens.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Tiffen filters are often ok glass-wise, but often have cheap, aluminum mounts 
> with sharply cut threads that can damage plastic and soft metal lens mounting 
> threads if not handled carefully. They are also prone to getting jammed and 
> being difficult to remove. 
> 
> Haze vs UV vs UV Haze for protecting a lens on a digital camera makes no 
> difference whatever. All three are designed to filter out UV light scatter, 
> which digital sensors are not particularly sensitive to. 
> 
> The biggest things to watch out for with filters is added flare and focusing 
> issues. Some are improperly made and have some curvature or a wedge shape to 
> their surfaces. Those can degrade image sharpness and cause AF issues. Even 
> multicoated filters will add some flare potential and should always be used 
> with a good lens hood. 
> 
> I saw flare problems and stopped using protection filters as a general rule 
> in the early 1980s. But I do still use one from time to time depending on 
> circumstances. Most of the time I just leave my lens unprotected except for a 
> lens hood. I await the Mongol Horde of filter extremists and their flaming 
> swords ... Perhaps I'll offer them tea. 
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:00 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> 
>> Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap on the A 28/2.8 
>> with a uv filter. Recently I thought I ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters 
>> [Tiffen] for use as lens protectors on two other lenses. When the order 
>> arrived I had two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
>> 
>> My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a little I thought 
>> maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. uv haze on photo.net, however, 
>> I encountered a diversity of opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. 
>> haze, and strongly negative opinions about Tiffen. 
>> 
>> I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts.
> 
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Re: October "best of"

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Strong gallery!

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Most of these were PESOs in the past week, but continuiong my tradition
> of my monthly faves:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157636893059015/
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Re: full frame??

[Paul Stenquist]

More of the sane old same old.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:13 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> From the Pentax
> Forums:http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/241252-visit-quebec-city-photo-expo-discussion-reps-many-interesting-things.html#post2561524
> 
> Get the hat out Cotty, if its true
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: Sac. Zoo Owl

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Strong image.  I like the POV;  for some reason, most owl image are
full frontal.

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On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Spent an hour or so at the Sacramento Zoo this PM. Attaching shot of an Elf 
> owl. Bird book best comparison is a Screech!?
>
> Jack
>
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=718
>
> K-5 w/DA* 50~135
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Re: Nikon Retro Video - Pentax content

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Looks more to me like a melding of FM, F3 and modern Dxxx aesthetics in the 
styling. As we all know, that's the important part.

Seriously, however, I look forward to seeing what Nikon has come up with. A 
modernized Digital F would be nice ... It would keep my Fs company. :-)

Godfrey


> On Nov 2, 2013, at 3:44 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Well, a couple of posts on DPReview think it looks like a K-5 from the side...
> 
> 
> 
> Is this a DSLR then? Pentaprism looks too big to be a morrorless...
> 
> Nikon taking note of Fuji success here methinks. Coming couple of years
> will be interesting

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Re: PESO tasting flight plus one

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Now, that looks tempting, even at this hour of the morning!

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> Taken at the local brewpub on Wednesday night:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/10620873883/
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Re: Filters?

[Eric Weir]

On Nov 2, 2013, at 8:35 AM, "Bob W"  wrote:

> Here's how to make the unknown known, or at least less bothersome.
> 
> Take some pictures of the same things in the same conditions with and
> without filters. Compare and contrast. Decide.

Thanks, Bob. Guess I'll just have to experiment. But then I'm oblivious to 
noise eve when the image is loaded with it. Alas, the human predicament: We 
have to go with what we've got. 

Regards,

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Re: Filters?

[Jack Davis]

Bob, remember I wrote, "however slight" and "bothersome unknown." Said concerns 
are not controllable.
OTOH, I find filters often justified to achieve a photo effect sought.
 
Jack


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Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 5:35 AM
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> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack Davis
> 
> First, there is the resolution reduction, however slight, 
caused by requiring the light to pass through two additional > glass
surfaces. 
> For me, the filter glass clarity is a bothersome unknown.
>  
> Jack
> 

Burn him!

Here's how to make the unknown known, or at least less bothersome.

Take some pictures of the same things in the same conditions with and
without filters. Compare and contrast. Decide.

B


> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Eric Weir 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:00 AM
> Subject: Filters?
> 
> 
> Midway in my walk back in September I replaced the lens cap 
> on the A 28/2.8 with a uv filter. Recently I thought I 
> ordered 49 and 67 mm uv filters [Tiffen] for use as lens 
> protectors on two other lenses. When the order arrived I had 
> two 67 mm flyers, one uv, one uv haze.
> 
> My first thought was to return the haze, but reading up a 
> little I thought maybe I’d keep it. In a discussion of uv vs. 
> uv haze on photo.net, however, I encountered a diversity of 
> opinions about filter vs. no filter and uv vs. haze, and 
> strongly negative opinions about Tiffen. 
> 
> I’d be interested in this group’s thoughts. 
> 


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Re: OT: A Blog Post

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice Blog article and great images, BTW.  Congrats.

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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Jeffery Johnson
 wrote:
> Lisa Taron wrote about me and Photo Captures by Jeffery on her blog, The Pet
> Blog Lady. If you wish to read the post here is a link to the post on her
> blog.
>
> http://www.petbloglady.com/2013/11/stunning-images-of-animals-photo-captures-by-jeffery.html
>
> Later,
> Jeffery Johnson
> Photo Captures by Jeffery
> http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com
>
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