Re: My next piece of photographic gear

[Alan C]

Yes, I followed exactly the same road. The frameless multifocals I now use 
are perfect. I find I only need to remove them when using binoculars.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Waller

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:58 AM
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Subject: Re: My next piece of photographic gear

Glasses for me are just the biggest pain in the arse as I get older.
Never wore glasses until I needed them about 15 years ago for close up work, 
cheap drug store reading glasses worked then. Got prescription bifocals a 
few years later and had real issues with them - found I was tripping because 
of the close up part, looking down. Switched to progressives awhile back and 
I have very little issues with them other than trying to keep them clean.
Have had an issue when using a camera, I can't make up my mind to adjust the 
camera diopter to work without the glasses, but then I can't read the on 
camera info.



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From: Larry Colen 
Sent: Dec 18, 2016 10:51 PM
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

:-)

I'm a bit older than you. I've been wearing progressives since around age 
47 or so, fifteen years ago. They work great for me, as long as I'm not 
working on a large screen computer display ... then I have bifocal splits 
that give me 22" and 14" in focus.


I've been wearing progressives since I was about 48, I probably should
have gotten them a year or two earlier. It's just annoying that my older
glasses no longer work just fine, it's even more annoying that my vision
no longer corrects to as good as it once did, or that I get ranges where
my eyes just won't focus, even with the progressives.



I've never cared whether I wore glasses... regular, progressives, or 
bifocals. I just want to see: to read, to do my photography, and to enjoy 
the beauty of life. Whatever it takes to see is all that matters.


What else is important, really?

G


On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I have come to the unpleasant realization that as much as I enjoy 
obtaining new lenses, the next pair of lenses that I need to buy will 
not be K-mount but eyeglasses.
Last week, when I was trying to adjust the temples, my eyeglasses 
snapped in half. Unfortunately, my spare glasses just don't seem to 
work. I went thirty years with my prescription barely changing, and now 
in my fifties and in the era of progressive lenses, glasses just a few 
years out of date make it hard to read the text on my computer screen, 
much less process photos.


This rant brought to you by the letter F, no that's an R, wait, it's a 
P, definitely a P.






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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Chris Mitchell]

If you can live with manual focus, there's the good old 70-210 F4.
I've seen them going for 30-50 GBP. So good value, reasonably fast and
quite compact.

Chris

On 18 December 2016 at 20:14, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>
>> On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
>>> niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
>>> will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
>>> The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
>>> Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
>>
>>
>> Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
>> a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
>> good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
>> large zoom range) is counter-productive?
>
>
> OK, I'm not looking for a full frame equivalent of the 18-250, in a sense I
> already have one, the sigma 50-500.  For what it is, and especially what I
> paid for it, it's an awesome lens, but it falls in the "way too big"
> category.  It's reasonably sharp, but the bokeh is rather unpleasant, and
> it's not WR. There are reasons I really want a 150-450 even if I can't
> afford one.
>
> I still do have my 18-250, and when I go for a bike ride, I tend to put that
> on the K-3II and that combination does a great job for an all in one camera,
> except for the WR bit, and I don't tend to decide the rainy days are perfect
> for a bike ride anyways.
>
> The 55-300 seems to pretty nicely fit the bill.  It's a reasonable size,
> would be relatively easy to carry around, and it seems to be pretty sharp,
> probably sharper than cropping my 28-105 down by a factor of three (which
> would turn the K-1 into about a 4 MPix camera). I'll post pictures soon, it
> seemed to do a decent job.
>
> There is also the 60-250, but that gives up in both size and cost, I wonder
> how it compares with the 70-210/2.8 in those categories.
>
> So, I'm looking to extend my reach beyond 75 or 100 mm  to the 250 or 300 mm
> range.  Plan A at the moment seems to be a used 55-300, but before I start
> looking for one of those, I want to make sure that there isn't something
> that I'd really rather have.
>
>
>>
>>
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Paul Stenquist]

I don't know. The 70/200 is obviously good and a stop faster than the 60-250,  
but I already have the latter. I may sell it and the 50-135 some day, but I'm 
not in a hurry.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Larry Colen  wrot
> 59-145
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> The 60-260 vignettes a bit on full frame, but It's not enough to trouble me. 
>> It's been my go to lens for years now on aps-c and full frame. It's 
>> excellent.  The 150-450 is astounding. But it's much bigger and heavier. If 
>> you're serious about shooting critters, go for the 150-450 and a good 
>> tripod. But it's not a walk around lens. The 60-250/4 is
> 
> How does the 60-250 compare with the 70-200?
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Ken Waller]

...I should take ownership of a bouncing bundle of fur sometime in late 
March to early April.


How nice.

Now if its not a soft tempered girl, do you have name chosen for it 
(him/her)


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bill" 

Subject: Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture



Thanks all. It was a pretty shitty week all told.

It looks like I have a puppy in the way. Apparently the pregnancy took, 
and I should take ownership of a bouncing bundle of fur sometime in late 
March to early April.
We have asked for a soft tempered girl, and if it seems appropriate, I 
will name her Leica.




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Re: PESO - 'Standing out in the lake'

[Ken Waller]

Thanks Dan. Its an image I previsualized awhile back and was finally able to 
capture.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Standing out in the lake'



Ken:

Saw this image on the PPG today.

Of course, I gave it a thumbs up.

I;m still very impressed with this image.

Dan

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On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:


Taken last fall in Seney National Wildlife Refuge in the Upper Peninsula
of Michigan

K3 and 300mm f4.5 FA

Comments ?

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18320529

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Re: My next piece of photographic gear

[Ken Waller]

Glasses for me are just the biggest pain in the arse as I get older.
Never wore glasses until I needed them about 15 years ago for close up work, 
cheap drug store reading glasses worked then. Got prescription bifocals a few 
years later and had real issues with them - found I was tripping because of the 
close up part, looking down. Switched to progressives awhile back and I have 
very little issues with them other than trying to keep them clean.
Have had an issue when using a camera, I can't make up my mind to adjust the 
camera diopter to work without the glasses, but then I can't read the on camera 
info.


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
>Sent: Dec 18, 2016 10:51 PM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: My next piece of photographic gear
>
>
>
>Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> :-)
>>
>> I'm a bit older than you. I've been wearing progressives since around age 47 
>> or so, fifteen years ago. They work great for me, as long as I'm not working 
>> on a large screen computer display ... then I have bifocal splits that give 
>> me 22" and 14" in focus.
>
>I've been wearing progressives since I was about 48, I probably should 
>have gotten them a year or two earlier. It's just annoying that my older 
>glasses no longer work just fine, it's even more annoying that my vision 
>no longer corrects to as good as it once did, or that I get ranges where 
>my eyes just won't focus, even with the progressives.
>
>>
>> I've never cared whether I wore glasses... regular, progressives, or 
>> bifocals. I just want to see: to read, to do my photography, and to enjoy 
>> the beauty of life. Whatever it takes to see is all that matters.
>>
>> What else is important, really?
>>
>> G
>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have come to the unpleasant realization that as much as I enjoy obtaining 
>>> new lenses, the next pair of lenses that I need to buy will not be K-mount 
>>> but eyeglasses.
>>> Last week, when I was trying to adjust the temples, my eyeglasses snapped 
>>> in half. Unfortunately, my spare glasses just don't seem to work. I went 
>>> thirty years with my prescription barely changing, and now in my fifties 
>>> and in the era of progressive lenses, glasses just a few years out of date 
>>> make it hard to read the text on my computer screen, much less process 
>>> photos.
>>>
>>> This rant brought to you by the letter F, no that's an R, wait, it's a P, 
>>> definitely a P.
>>>
>>
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Re: Happy Birthday Dan

[Boris Liberman]

Happy birthday!

On 19 Dec 2016 04:55, "Larry Colen"  wrote:

> Facebook tells me it's your birthday today. I hope that it's been a great
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Re: Happy Birthday Dan

[Ken Waller]

Ditto, ditto, Dan !


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>Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Dan
>
>Happy, happy, Dan!!
>
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>> On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/18/2016 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> Facebook tells me it's your birthday today. I hope that it's been a
>>> great one.
>> 
>> A few years back, when the radio show Q was interesting, Jian Gomeshi was 
>> interviewing some guy who set up one birthday a month on facebook to see how 
>> many people would just automatically wish him a happy birthday, not catching 
>> on that they were doing it month after month.
>> Apparently a lot of people wished him multiple happy birthdays that year.
>> 
>> Happy birthday Dan (if it really is your birthday).
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Larry Colen]

Alan C wrote:

"Interesting. I've found that Nicole's 55-300 is quite pleasantly sharp."

I agree but at f8 the 100-300 is just as sharp.


Unfortunately, most of the time that I'd be using it would likely be 
doing things like photographing musicians, in which case I wouldn't want 
anything less than about 5.6, f/8 would really start leaning heavily on 
the sensor.  When I would be able to get away with f/8 would be 
outdoors, and half the year it gets really damp around here outdoors, in 
which case I want the WR.



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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Larry Colen]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

The 60-260 vignettes a bit on full frame, but It's not enough to trouble me. 
It's been my go to lens for years now on aps-c and full frame. It's excellent.  
The 150-450 is astounding. But it's much bigger and heavier. If you're serious 
about shooting critters, go for the 150-450 and a good tripod. But it's not a 
walk around lens. The 60-250/4 is


How does the 60-250 compare with the 70-200?

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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Alan C]

"Interesting.  I've found that Nicole's 55-300 is quite pleasantly sharp."

I agree but at f8 the 100-300 is just as sharp.

"There also seem to be three versions of that lens, the DA, the DA-L
and the WR."

Two versions of the HD WR.

Alan C

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Alan C wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your
best bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great
success with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before
I acquired an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I
have found it no better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had
for a song.


Interesting.  I've found that Nicole's 55-300 is quite pleasantly sharp.
 There also seem to be three versions of that lens, the DA, the DA-L
and the WR.

It has a huge advantage over the 60-250 in that it can easily be carried
in my camera bag without displacing multiple other lenses too. Also the
fact that I can find them for under $300 used versus $800-900 for the
60-250. Since I do have use of the 80-200/2.8 I don't think that the
60-250 is enough smaller than it to make a huge difference.

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Re: Happy Birthday Dan

[John]

On 12/18/2016 9:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Facebook tells me it's your birthday today. I hope that it's been a
great one.


Any birthday you can get out of bed & not find your obituary in the
newspaper is a great one.

Best wishes to Dan as well.

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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[John]

On 12/18/2016 11:39 AM, Bill wrote:

Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to
sleep last Tuesday.
This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of
the last pictures I have of him.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/byebug.html

K1, 43mm LTD. f/2.2, 1/60th, ISO 6400.



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Re: PESO - from the shower

[John]

On 12/18/2016 6:54 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

Facebook is run by those most vile of bluenoses, leftest social justice
puritans. They make the actual Puritans look like libertines. This is
especially galling since Mark Zukerberg designed Facebook as a stalking
tool. I wouldn't use Facebook if my life depended on it.


Nope, the facebook mechanism is based on people reporting it, because so
many right wing whackos think that while it's fine for kids to watch tv
shows and movies of people killing each other right and left, the sight
of a naked nipple, or gods forbid a woman breast feeding in public will
scar someone for life.



However, that does not invalidate PJ's point about Zukerberg's original
purpose for Facebook.


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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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The 60-260 vignettes a bit on full frame, but It's not enough to trouble me. 
It's been my go to lens for years now on aps-c and full frame. It's excellent.  
The 150-450 is astounding. But it's much bigger and heavier. If you're serious 
about shooting critters, go for the 150-450 and a good tripod. But it's not a 
walk around lens. The 60-250/4 is

Paul via phone

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your best 
> bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great success 
> with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before I acquired an 
> HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I have found it no 
> better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had for a song.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Larry Colen
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens
> 
> Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of 
> my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still 
> fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
> The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff. Is 
> there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Larry Colen]

Alan C wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your
best bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great
success with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before
I acquired an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I
have found it no better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had
for a song.


Interesting.  I've found that Nicole's 55-300 is quite pleasantly sharp. 
 There also seem to be three versions of that lens, the DA, the DA-L 
and the WR.


It has a huge advantage over the 60-250 in that it can easily be carried 
in my camera bag without displacing multiple other lenses too. Also the 
fact that I can find them for under $300 used versus $800-900 for the 
60-250. Since I do have use of the 80-200/2.8 I don't think that the 
60-250 is enough smaller than it to make a huge difference.


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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Alan C]

Read this (right down to the end).

https://www.pentaxuser.com/forum/topic/da--60-250-modification-for-full-frame-56581

Alan C

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From: Bill

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:50 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

On 12/18/2016 9:23 PM, Alan C wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your
best bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great
success with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before
I acquired an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I
have found it no better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had
for a song.


The 60-250 doesn't cover the full frame. It is possible it is baffled
down to APS-C, in which case there would be a rear hood that might be
removable. I sold mine, and I really don't recall what the back end
looked like.



Alan C

-Original Message- From: Larry Colen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?



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Re: My next piece of photographic gear

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I hear ya. 

My vision is still correctable to 20-20, but the daily correction need varies 
depending on other factors. In recent years, a condition called Map Dot 
Dystrophy can cause my corneas to become swollen occasionally, which ruins my 
vision for a day or three regardless of correction. 

Basically, the issue is that getting older past a certain point sucks. 
Unfortunately, the alternatives don't leave a lot of options so it's best to 
suck it in and keep on going however you have to. :-/

G

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I've been wearing progressives since I was about 48, I probably should have 
> gotten them a year or two earlier. It's just annoying that my older glasses 
> no longer work just fine, it's even more annoying that my vision no longer 
> corrects to as good as it once did, or that I get ranges where my eyes just 
> won't focus, even with the progressives.

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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

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On 12/18/2016 4:28 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I've read the words, it's not a Christmas song, and anyone who thinks it
is is sadly misinformed, just because they've recorded it as one doesn't
change that.  Cohen didn't even try to masquerade it as a Christmas
song.   It doesn't mean I don't like the song, but It's like
Springsteen's "Born in the USA" which isn't a patriotic anthem.  Those
who support or decry it for that reason are wrong.  It's not patriotic
at all, and they're being intellectually lazy.



Don't want to violate the taboo on politics here, but I consider
Springsteen's "Born in the USA" a very patriotic song for its courage
calling the country out for not living up to our professed values.

It's just not jingoistic patriotism - "my country right or wrong", but a
call for the country to be what it claims to be.

It's the patriotism embodied in Woody Guthrie's "This Land is Your Land"
responding to Kate Smith & Irving Berlin's "God Bless America".



On 12/18/2016 3:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
called Pentatonix is a case in point.

Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...

What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM
station, you
know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a
national
chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas
music, all
the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and
then to
get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...

After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."

I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the
kibosh
on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who
get the
joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
mix.

The answer of course, is one that's too lazy to do their job.

Why do I bring this up?  Well my reply to Larry's question about a small
light FF long lens.   I decided to do a little research on available
"New"
Catadioptric lenses took me to this, the website for a once popular,
reputable, photo magazine, you have to click on the link to see the full
horror:

http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2008/12/slr-cat-did-it

How a photo magazine could publish anything with that picture is
beyond me,
don't they care about their image at all...

(All puns intended).


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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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On 12/18/2016 9:42 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

The 60-250. You can also modify it to cover FF perfectly. Seems like a
no brainer to me. The 60-250 crushes the 55-300.


Well, that answers my previous post on the subject.

A word to the wise about that lens. It is an SDM, my copy failed twice. 
I don't know if it was one of the ones with a bad reputation or not.

Optically, it is a superb lens, though it is big for an f/4 zoom.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Alan C  wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your best
bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great success
with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before I acquired
an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I have found it no
better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had for a song.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Larry Colen
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Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of
my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still
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Re: My next piece of photographic gear

[Larry Colen]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

:-)

I'm a bit older than you. I've been wearing progressives since around age 47 or so, 
fifteen years ago. They work great for me, as long as I'm not working on a large screen 
computer display ... then I have bifocal splits that give me 22" and 14" in 
focus.


I've been wearing progressives since I was about 48, I probably should 
have gotten them a year or two earlier. It's just annoying that my older 
glasses no longer work just fine, it's even more annoying that my vision 
no longer corrects to as good as it once did, or that I get ranges where 
my eyes just won't focus, even with the progressives.




I've never cared whether I wore glasses... regular, progressives, or bifocals. 
I just want to see: to read, to do my photography, and to enjoy the beauty of 
life. Whatever it takes to see is all that matters.

What else is important, really?

G


On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I have come to the unpleasant realization that as much as I enjoy obtaining new 
lenses, the next pair of lenses that I need to buy will not be K-mount but 
eyeglasses.
Last week, when I was trying to adjust the temples, my eyeglasses snapped in 
half. Unfortunately, my spare glasses just don't seem to work. I went thirty 
years with my prescription barely changing, and now in my fifties and in the 
era of progressive lenses, glasses just a few years out of date make it hard to 
read the text on my computer screen, much less process photos.

This rant brought to you by the letter F, no that's an R, wait, it's a P, 
definitely a P.





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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Bill]

On 12/18/2016 9:23 PM, Alan C wrote:

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your
best bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great
success with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before
I acquired an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I
have found it no better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had
for a song.


The 60-250 doesn't cover the full frame. It is possible it is baffled 
down to APS-C, in which case there would be a rear hood that might be 
removable. I sold mine, and I really don't recall what the back end 
looked like.




Alan C

-Original Message- From: Larry Colen
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
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Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[John]

On 12/18/2016 3:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...

What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station,
you know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a
national chain, etc., etc., but... Right now it's playing all Christmas
music, all the time. Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now
and then to get a taste of the season. Well in the middle of a set they
play Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...

After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."


You mean it's not the same song as the Hallelujah chorus from Handel's
Messiah?

:-)




No, but fear not.

There's a full set of verses about the Baby Jebus substituted into the
Xmas version.

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Re: My next piece of photographic gear

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

:-) 

I'm a bit older than you. I've been wearing progressives since around age 47 or 
so, fifteen years ago. They work great for me, as long as I'm not working on a 
large screen computer display ... then I have bifocal splits that give me 22" 
and 14" in focus. 

I've never cared whether I wore glasses... regular, progressives, or bifocals. 
I just want to see: to read, to do my photography, and to enjoy the beauty of 
life. Whatever it takes to see is all that matters. 

What else is important, really? 

G

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I have come to the unpleasant realization that as much as I enjoy obtaining 
> new lenses, the next pair of lenses that I need to buy will not be K-mount 
> but eyeglasses.
> Last week, when I was trying to adjust the temples, my eyeglasses snapped in 
> half. Unfortunately, my spare glasses just don't seem to work. I went thirty 
> years with my prescription barely changing, and now in my fifties and in the 
> era of progressive lenses, glasses just a few years out of date make it hard 
> to read the text on my computer screen, much less process photos.
> 
> This rant brought to you by the letter F, no that's an R, wait, it's a P, 
> definitely a P.
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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The 60-250. You can also modify it to cover FF perfectly. Seems like a
no brainer to me. The 60-250 crushes the 55-300.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your best
> bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great success
> with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before I acquired
> an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I have found it no
> better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had for a song.
>
> Alan C
>
> -Original Message- From: Larry Colen
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens
>
>
> Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of
> my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still
> fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
> The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff. Is
> there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
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Re: Happy Birthday Dan

[Alan C]

Ditto. Mind you, you seem to be happy all the year round!

Alan C

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Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:10 AM
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Happy, happy, Dan!!

Paul via phone


On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Bill  wrote:


On 12/18/2016 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
Facebook tells me it's your birthday today. I hope that it's been a
great one.


A few years back, when the radio show Q was interesting, Jian Gomeshi was 
interviewing some guy who set up one birthday a month on facebook to see 
how many people would just automatically wish him a happy birthday, not 
catching on that they were doing it month after month.

Apparently a lot of people wished him multiple happy birthdays that year.

Happy birthday Dan (if it really is your birthday).

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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Alan C]

Having read this thread with interest, I would say the 60-250 is your best 
bet but it is not cheap. You could add a 1.4x too! Paul had great success 
with this combination. I have an FA 100-300 which I used before I acquired 
an HD 55-300. Despite the glowing reviews for the 55-300, I have found it no 
better than the under-rated 100-300 which can be had for a song.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Colen

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:33 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of 
my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still 
fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff. Is 
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Re: December PUG Update

[Bill]

On 12/4/2016 6:44 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

Gosh! Thanks, Ann!

I think my favourite's would be Jack's Winter's Grace, Jan's Sailing
Botters, Don's Quiet Park & Bill's Pretty Tranquil.


Thanks Eric, you are too kind.


On 3 December 2016 at 23:37, ann sanfedele  wrote:

The whole gallery is appreciated, especially now.. .

Myy 4 personal favorites line up in the index page in the second column
Jack,Eric,Bill, Bruce..

I think I remember Jack's from some time ago -- really stunning..

Eric's Constable -homage- (or so it seams to me) is right up there too

Wheatfield's peaceful lake - yum

Bruce - just about my all time favorite of your photos.. super light, nice
pose, etc and I presume she is drinking the appropriate brand of
tea...:-)

ann


On 12/3/2016 4:45 PM, Brian Walters wrote:


Jack took my less than subtle hist and sent a larger version of
'Winter's Grace'.

Much more enjoyable, I think...


http://pug.komkon.org/16dec/slides/JD%20-%20Winter%27s%20Grace%20GB%20II%20copy.html

Thanks Jack.


Cheers

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Re: December PUG Update

[Bill]

On 12/4/2016 3:12 PM, Jan van Wijk wrote:

Thanks Eric,

I also liked Bill's 'Pretty Tanquil' a lot


Thanks Jan. I appreciate it.


On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 12:44:39 + Eric Featherstone wrote:



I think my favourite's would be Jack's Winter's Grace, Jan's Sailing
Botters, Don's Quiet Park & Bill's Pretty Tranquil.


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Re: December PUG is Up

[Bill]

On 12/5/2016 7:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Rather "late to the party" because of a ridiculous week at work, but anyway...

Jack's is my favorite--beautiful geometry in that shot.

Others I especially like are Bill's Matthew's Dan's Eric's, and PJ's.

This might be the strongest collection of a year of strong collections.

Thanks very, very much Brian!


And thank you rick for picking my detritus out of that collection of 
excellent images.




Rick

On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Brian Walters wrote:


G'day all,

A great gallery to wind up 2016.  Well done, everyone.

Lots of favourites - Matthew's 'Sailboat', Jack's 'Winter's Grace' (pity
it wasn't larger, though), Filip's "Schoonselhof ', Joe's 'In Bruge' and
Bruce's 'Tranquility' are my personal favourites this month.

As usual you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

+

Now on to 2017

First up: 'Doors'

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/


Cheers

Brian

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Re: December PUG is Up

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On 12/5/2016 7:46 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I love that, David...

Jack, note that the "V" of the mountains point to the float... moving
the float to the left in the composition would mess up what it looked
like to me the best possible placement...



Thanks Jack and Ann.

I have a couple of outtakes with the float to the right side, but not 
the left.

ann


On 12/5/2016 7:30 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

This was well worth posting, but I
feel the compositional balance
would have been somewhat more comfortable had the float been
somewhat further to the left.

J


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 4, 2016, at 8:38 PM, David Mann  wrote:


On Dec 4, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

Bill's 'Pretty Tranquil' - incredibly subtle colours and tones. Sheesh.

I did a double-take when I saw that as it reminded me of an old one
of mine.  That must be why it's so good.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/77/#peso

(OK Bill's is better.)

I wanted to submit something but my life this past week has been
anything but tranquil.  After getting the run-around by a builder I
had to do all the preparation for our new kitchen myself.  Had to cut
a few corners but that stuff's all being hidden behind cabinetry :)

Cheers,
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Re: December PUG is Up

[Bill]

On 12/4/2016 10:38 PM, David Mann wrote:

On Dec 4, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:


Bill's 'Pretty Tranquil' - incredibly subtle colours and tones. Sheesh.


I did a double-take when I saw that as it reminded me of an old one of mine.  
That must be why it's so good.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/77/#peso

(OK Bill's is better.)


Thanks Dave, you are too kind.


I wanted to submit something but my life this past week has been anything but 
tranquil.  After getting the run-around by a builder I had to do all the 
preparation for our new kitchen myself.  Had to cut a few corners but that 
stuff's all being hidden behind cabinetry :)

Cheers,
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Re: December PUG is Up

[Bill]

On 12/4/2016 9:16 PM, Subash Jeyan wrote:

very nice gallery to end the year. found Bill's 'pretty tranquil'
particularly stunning...


Thank you. I appreciate it.



On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 22:55:52 +1100
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Re: Happy Birthday Dan

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Happy, happy, Dan!!

Paul via phone

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/18/2016 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> Facebook tells me it's your birthday today. I hope that it's been a
>> great one.
> 
> A few years back, when the radio show Q was interesting, Jian Gomeshi was 
> interviewing some guy who set up one birthday a month on facebook to see how 
> many people would just automatically wish him a happy birthday, not catching 
> on that they were doing it month after month.
> Apparently a lot of people wished him multiple happy birthdays that year.
> 
> Happy birthday Dan (if it really is your birthday).
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Bill]

Thanks all. It was a pretty shitty week all told.

It looks like I have a puppy in the way. Apparently the pregnancy took, 
and I should take ownership of a bouncing bundle of fur sometime in late 
March to early April.
We have asked for a soft tempered girl, and if it seems appropriate, I 
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Re: My next piece of photographic gear

[Paul Stenquist]

HAR! I have bifocals but they're not progressives, which are too undefined for 
me. I have old school
bigocals. Looking doen my focal
point is 18 inches. Looking straight ahead it's 15 feet. Perfect!.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I have come to the unpleasant realization that as much as I enjoy obtaining 
> new lenses, the next pair of lenses that I need to buy will not be K-mount 
> but eyeglasses.
> Last week, when I was trying to adjust the temples, my eyeglasses snapped in 
> half. Unfortunately, my spare glasses just don't seem to work. I went thirty 
> years with my prescription barely changing, and now in my fifties and in the 
> era of progressive lenses, glasses just a few years out of date make it hard 
> to read the text on my computer screen, much less process photos.
> 
> This rant brought to you by the letter F, no that's an R, wait, it's a P, 
> definitely a P.
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Re: Happy Birthday Dan

[Bill]

On 12/18/2016 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Facebook tells me it's your birthday today. I hope that it's been a
great one.


A few years back, when the radio show Q was interesting, Jian Gomeshi 
was interviewing some guy who set up one birthday a month on facebook to 
see how many people would just automatically wish him a happy birthday, 
not catching on that they were doing it month after month.

Apparently a lot of people wished him multiple happy birthdays that year.

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My next piece of photographic gear

[Larry Colen]

I have come to the unpleasant realization that as much as I enjoy 
obtaining new lenses, the next pair of lenses that I need to buy will 
not be K-mount but eyeglasses.
Last week, when I was trying to adjust the temples, my eyeglasses 
snapped in half. Unfortunately, my spare glasses just don't seem to 
work. I went thirty years with my prescription barely changing, and now 
in my fifties and in the era of progressive lenses, glasses just a few 
years out of date make it hard to read the text on my computer screen, 
much less process photos.


This rant brought to you by the letter F, no that's an R, wait, it's a 
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Re: OT: Fungi ID

[PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com]

If I can remember where abouts the tree is located will check to see 
what type of tree it is.


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On 12/18/2016 1:02 PM, John wrote:

FWIW, the bark looks like a pine tree.


On 12/17/2016 6:10 PM, PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com wrote:

Mike,

It was discussed off list that it most likely is an Oyster Mushroom or
the Jack-O-Lantern the poisonous cousin. Location was here in Nashville
TN and I really don't remember the tree itself as I was at the time
paying more attention to the Fungi.

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On 12/17/2016 4:07 PM, mike wilson wrote:



On 17 December 2016 at 16:03 "PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com"
 wrote:


This Fungi was growing on a tree in Mount Olivet Cemetery and I need
help with its proper name. Is there anyone on the list with 
knowledge to

ID the Fungi.

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/plants_and_trees/e408a8db4

Thanks,

That's a weird one.  Looks like a cross between a Polypore, or bracket
fungus
(which grows on trees) and a chantarelle, which doesn't. Maybe one of
the
Pleurotus species, commonly known as Oyster mushrooms?

Other possibilities:
Honey Mushroom Armillaria solidipes
Sulfur Shelf Laetiporus sulphureus
Northern Tooth Climacodon septentrionalis

Location and habitat (what tree is that?) woud help narrow it down.







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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com]

Oh my. It is never easy to have a four legged family member pass on 
Sorry for your loss.


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On 12/18/2016 10:39 AM, Bill wrote:
Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put 
to sleep last Tuesday.
This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of 
the last pictures I have of him.


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/byebug.html

K1, 43mm LTD. f/2.2, 1/60th, ISO 6400.




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Re: PESO - 'Standing out in the lake'

[Ken Waller]

Thanks Paul, I appreciate the comment, thanks for looking.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Standing out in the lake'



Beautiful. A striking composition.

Paul via phone


On Dec 15, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Thanks for commenting Phillip

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Philip Northeast" 


Subject: Re: PESO - 'Standing out in the lake'



Nice, love the reflections and the contrast
Philip Northeast
www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au

On 14/12/16 11:56 am, Ken Waller wrote:
Taken last fall in Seney National Wildlife Refuge in the Upper 
Peninsula

of Michigan

K3 and 300mm f4.5 FA

Comments ?

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18320529

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Re: PESO - from the shower

[Bob W-PDML]

These two did it:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Grant_Wood_-_American_Gothic_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg

I'm surprised the pitchfork has 3 prongs. Only two are needed for Jezebel's 
satanic paps.

Those moles would have seen her burnt at the stake a few hundred years ago.

B

On 18 Dec 2016, at 23:59, Larry Colen 
> wrote:

John wrote:
Facebook is so full of shit Zuckerberg has brown eyes.

Zuckerberg is just living the capitalist dream.


On 12/18/2016 10:59 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
The average North American, and certainly the wise elders who run
Facebook believe that the sight of uncovered female nipples will cause

Facebook is simply trying to maximize profits, and that means not being banned 
by bible belt states by allowing children to risk seeing dirty pictures.  
That's why they make it easy for right wing prudes to flag images that might 
scar children for life.




http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig

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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Ken Waller]

What an intelligent, alert looking dog, well captured !
My condolences Bill.


-Original Message-
>From: Bill 
>Subject: PESO: Another Dog Picture
>
>Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to 
>sleep last Tuesday.
>This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of 
>the last pictures I have of him.
>
>http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/byebug.html
>
>K1, 43mm LTD. f/2.2, 1/60th, ISO 6400.

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Re: PESO - from the shower

[Larry Colen]

John wrote:

Facebook is so full of shit Zuckerberg has brown eyes.


Zuckerberg is just living the capitalist dream.



On 12/18/2016 10:59 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

The average North American, and certainly the wise elders who run
Facebook believe that the sight of uncovered female nipples will cause


Facebook is simply trying to maximize profits, and that means not being 
banned by bible belt states by allowing children to risk seeing dirty 
pictures.  That's why they make it easy for right wing prudes to flag 
images that might scar children for life.



sufficient moral decay to collapse society. I'm still in my third
30-day ban for allowing a nip-slip on Facebook.


On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:32 PM, John  wrote:

Nice, but I don't think a few female nipples are what's going to bring
down Western Civilization.

On 12/17/2016 3:09 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig

Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/4.0, 1/60th sec, 500 ISO; handheld.
Ambient room light: miniature LED flush ceiling spotlights.








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Re: PESO - from the shower

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:

Facebook is run by those most vile of bluenoses, leftest social justice
puritans. They make the actual Puritans look like libertines. This is
especially galling since Mark Zukerberg designed Facebook as a stalking
tool. I wouldn't use Facebook if my life depended on it.


Nope, the facebook mechanism is based on people reporting it, because so 
many right wing whackos think that while it's fine for kids to watch tv 
shows and movies of people killing each other right and left, the sight 
of a naked nipple, or gods forbid a woman breast feeding in public will 
scar someone for life.


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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[jtainter]

So sorry to hear about your loss, Bill. I had that happen a few years ago with 
an elderly Sheltie. Now one of my miniature Australian Shepherds is having 
problems with her hindquarters.

Great portrait.

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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Bruce Walker]

Perhaps, but I was addressing your point about what kind of lazy
employees would air the tune. Not lazy at all since their listeners
are already expecting -- probably even demanding -- it. For better or
worse, it's already established.

It's just like how Die Hard has become a Christmas movie. I always
shed a tear at the end of it.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:28 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> I've read the words, it's not a Christmas song, and anyone who thinks it is
> is sadly misinformed, just because they've recorded it as one doesn't change
> that.  Cohen didn't even try to masquerade it as a Christmas song.   It
> doesn't mean I don't like the song, but It's like Springsteen's "Born in the
> USA" which isn't a patriotic anthem.  Those who support or decry it for that
> reason are wrong.  It's not patriotic at all, and they're being
> intellectually lazy.
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2016 3:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
>> I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
>> established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
>> being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
>> called Pentatonix is a case in point.
>>
>> Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...
>>>
>>> What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station,
>>> you
>>> know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a
>>> national
>>> chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas music,
>>> all
>>> the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and then to
>>> get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
>>> Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...
>>>
>>> After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
>>> Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."
>>>
>>> I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
>>> compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the
>>> kibosh
>>> on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who get
>>> the
>>> joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
>>> mix.
>>>
>>> The answer of course, is one that's too lazy to do their job.
>>>
>>> Why do I bring this up?  Well my reply to Larry's question about a small
>>> light FF long lens.   I decided to do a little research on available
>>> "New"
>>> Catadioptric lenses took me to this, the website for a once popular,
>>> reputable, photo magazine, you have to click on the link to see the full
>>> horror:
>>>
>>> http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2008/12/slr-cat-did-it
>>>
>>> How a photo magazine could publish anything with that picture is beyond
>>> me,
>>> don't they care about their image at all...
>>>
>>> (All puns intended).
>>>
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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Bruce Walker]

Strange Fruitcake, possibly.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> Not convinced that people who buy it or give it airplay it at Christmas have 
> really thought about the words and the subtext. What next, Strange Fruit?
>
> B
>
>> On 18 Dec 2016, at 20:50, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
>> I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
>> established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
>> being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
>> called Pentatonix is a case in point.
>>
>> Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
>>  wrote:
>>> Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...
>>>
>>> What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station, you
>>> know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a national
>>> chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas music, all
>>> the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and then to
>>> get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
>>> Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...
>>>
>>> After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
>>> Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."
>>>
>>> I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
>>> compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the kibosh
>>> on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who get the
>>> joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
>>> mix.
>>>
>>>
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Re: PESO: An Iced Cold Bud

[P. J. Alling]

Interesting image, decidedly odd looking, and more than a bit suggestive.


On 12/18/2016 4:04 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18323018=lg
K-5 IIs, DA 100 mm macro F 2.8

  Comments are invited.

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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[P. J. Alling]

Which is a very Pagan song, for a Christmas song.


On 12/18/2016 4:19 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Yes, but it's not The Holly and the Ivy.


On 18 Dec 2016, at 21:16, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

Strange Fruit -- what a moving powerful song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

Not convinced that people who buy it or give it airplay it at Christmas
have really thought about the words and the subtext. What next, Strange
Fruit?

B


On 18 Dec 2016, at 20:50, Bruce Walker  wrote:

I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
called Pentatonix is a case in point.

Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...

What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM

station, you

know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a

national

chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas

music, all

the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and then

to

get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...

After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."

I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the

kibosh

on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who get

the

joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
mix.



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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[P. J. Alling]

I've read the words, it's not a Christmas song, and anyone who thinks it 
is is sadly misinformed, just because they've recorded it as one doesn't 
change that.  Cohen didn't even try to masquerade it as a Christmas 
song.   It doesn't mean I don't like the song, but It's like 
Springsteen's "Born in the USA" which isn't a patriotic anthem.  Those 
who support or decry it for that reason are wrong.  It's not patriotic 
at all, and they're being intellectually lazy.



On 12/18/2016 3:49 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
called Pentatonix is a case in point.

Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...

What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station, you
know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a national
chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas music, all
the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and then to
get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...

After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."

I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the kibosh
on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who get the
joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
mix.

The answer of course, is one that's too lazy to do their job.

Why do I bring this up?  Well my reply to Larry's question about a small
light FF long lens.   I decided to do a little research on available "New"
Catadioptric lenses took me to this, the website for a once popular,
reputable, photo magazine, you have to click on the link to see the full
horror:

http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2008/12/slr-cat-did-it

How a photo magazine could publish anything with that picture is beyond me,
don't they care about their image at all...

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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Bob W-PDML]

Yes, but it's not The Holly and the Ivy.

> On 18 Dec 2016, at 21:16, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Strange Fruit -- what a moving powerful song.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> Not convinced that people who buy it or give it airplay it at Christmas
>> have really thought about the words and the subtext. What next, Strange
>> Fruit?
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On 18 Dec 2016, at 20:50, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
>>> I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
>>> established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
>>> being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
>>> called Pentatonix is a case in point.
>>> 
>>> Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
>>>  wrote:
 Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...
 
 What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM
>> station, you
 know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a
>> national
 chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas
>> music, all
 the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and then
>> to
 get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
 Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...
 
 After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
 Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."
 
 I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
 compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the
>> kibosh
 on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who get
>> the
 joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
 mix.
 
 
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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Strange Fruit -- what a moving powerful song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> Not convinced that people who buy it or give it airplay it at Christmas
> have really thought about the words and the subtext. What next, Strange
> Fruit?
>
> B
>
> > On 18 Dec 2016, at 20:50, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> >
> > I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
> > I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
> > established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
> > being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
> > called Pentatonix is a case in point.
> >
> > Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
> >  wrote:
> >> Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...
> >>
> >> What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM
> station, you
> >> know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a
> national
> >> chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas
> music, all
> >> the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and then
> to
> >> get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
> >> Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...
> >>
> >> After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
> >> Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."
> >>
> >> I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
> >> compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the
> kibosh
> >> on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who get
> the
> >> joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
> >> mix.
> >>
> >>
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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Bob W-PDML]

Not convinced that people who buy it or give it airplay it at Christmas have 
really thought about the words and the subtext. What next, Strange Fruit?

B

> On 18 Dec 2016, at 20:50, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
> I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
> established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
> being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
> called Pentatonix is a case in point.
> 
> Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
>  wrote:
>> Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...
>> 
>> What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station, you
>> know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a national
>> chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas music, all
>> the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and then to
>> get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
>> Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...
>> 
>> After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
>> Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."
>> 
>> I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
>> compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the kibosh
>> on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who get the
>> joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
>> mix.
>> 
>> 

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PESO: An Iced Cold Bud

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18323018=lg
K-5 IIs, DA 100 mm macro F 2.8

 Comments are invited.

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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Bruce Walker]

I hate to fully deflate your sails since you have a good wind up, but
I suggest you read the Wikipedia article on Hallelujah. There's a well
established tradition of folks recording Xmas covers of it and it
being programmed as an Xmas song. The very recent cover by a group
called Pentatonix is a case in point.

Pentatonix: hey, almost on-topic there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pentatonix_Christmas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...
>
> What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station, you
> know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a national
> chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas music, all
> the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now and then to
> get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they play
> Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...
>
> After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
> Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."
>
> I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
> compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the kibosh
> on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who get the
> joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their Christmas
> mix.
>
> The answer of course, is one that's too lazy to do their job.
>
> Why do I bring this up?  Well my reply to Larry's question about a small
> light FF long lens.   I decided to do a little research on available "New"
> Catadioptric lenses took me to this, the website for a once popular,
> reputable, photo magazine, you have to click on the link to see the full
> horror:
>
> http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2008/12/slr-cat-did-it
>
> How a photo magazine could publish anything with that picture is beyond me,
> don't they care about their image at all...
>
> (All puns intended).
>
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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Mark Roberts]

>> http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2008/12/slr-cat-did-it
>>
>> How a photo magazine could publish anything with that picture is beyond
>> me, don't they care about their image at all...

That's a web page maintainer's error. Someone just linked to the
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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:

Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...

What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station,
you know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a
national chain, etc., etc., but... Right now it's playing all Christmas
music, all the time. Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now
and then to get a taste of the season. Well in the middle of a set they
play Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...

After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."


You mean it's not the same song as the Hallelujah chorus from Handel's 
Messiah?


:-)


I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
compilation, that answer I know. No what supervisor wouldn't put the
kibosh on it. I mean really some people will be offended, even those who
get the joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their
Christmas mix.

The answer of course, is one that's too lazy to do their job.


Or too ignorant to actually realize that there might be multiple songs 
with similar names.




Why do I bring this up? Well my reply to Larry's question about a small
light FF long lens. I decided to do a little research on available "New"
Catadioptric lenses took me to this, the website for a once popular,
reputable, photo magazine, you have to click on the link to see the full
horror:

http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2008/12/slr-cat-did-it

How a photo magazine could publish anything with that picture is beyond
me, don't they care about their image at all...

(All puns intended).




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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Larry Colen]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?


Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
large zoom range) is counter-productive?


OK, I'm not looking for a full frame equivalent of the 18-250, in a 
sense I already have one, the sigma 50-500.  For what it is, and 
especially what I paid for it, it's an awesome lens, but it falls in the 
"way too big" category.  It's reasonably sharp, but the bokeh is rather 
unpleasant, and it's not WR. There are reasons I really want a 150-450 
even if I can't afford one.


I still do have my 18-250, and when I go for a bike ride, I tend to put 
that on the K-3II and that combination does a great job for an all in 
one camera, except for the WR bit, and I don't tend to decide the rainy 
days are perfect for a bike ride anyways.


The 55-300 seems to pretty nicely fit the bill.  It's a reasonable size, 
would be relatively easy to carry around, and it seems to be pretty 
sharp, probably sharper than cropping my 28-105 down by a factor of 
three (which would turn the K-1 into about a 4 MPix camera). I'll post 
pictures soon, it seemed to do a decent job.


There is also the 60-250, but that gives up in both size and cost, I 
wonder how it compares with the 70-210/2.8 in those categories.


So, I'm looking to extend my reach beyond 75 or 100 mm  to the 250 or 
300 mm range.  Plan A at the moment seems to be a used 55-300, but 
before I start looking for one of those, I want to make sure that there 
isn't something that I'd really rather have.








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Re: Probably what's wrong with everything.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is a jarring image indeed.

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...
>
> What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station,
> you know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a
> national chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all Christmas
> music, all the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I tune in now
> and then to get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle of a set they
> play Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop laughing...
>
> After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of
> Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."
>
> I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the
> compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the
> kibosh on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those who
> get the joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of their
> Christmas mix.
>
> The answer of course, is one that's too lazy to do their job.
>
> Why do I bring this up?  Well my reply to Larry's question about a small
> light FF long lens.   I decided to do a little research on available "New"
> Catadioptric lenses took me to this, the website for a once popular,
> reputable, photo magazine, you have to click on the link to see the full
> horror:
>
> http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2008/12/slr-cat-did-it
>
> How a photo magazine could publish anything with that picture is beyond
> me, don't they care about their image at all...
>
> (All puns intended).
>
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Probably what's wrong with everything.

[P. J. Alling]

Is that nobody cares enough, or maybe at all...

What I mean is, well I was listening to the local programmed FM station, 
you know the kind, no local DJ all music piped in from one source for a 
national chain, etc., etc., but...Right now it's playing all 
Christmas music, all the time.   Since no one else local is doing it I 
tune in now and then to get a taste of the season.   Well in the middle 
of a set they play Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, and I couldn't stop 
laughing...


After my mirth subsided I thought about this for a while, "What Kind of 
Idiot would allow this to get on the air as a "Christmas" song."


I don't mean what kind of bored underpaid employee would put it into the 
compilation, that answer I know.  No what supervisor wouldn't put the 
kibosh on it.  I mean really some people will be offended, even those 
who get the joke and like Cohen's music might not like it as part of 
their Christmas mix.


The answer of course, is one that's too lazy to do their job.

Why do I bring this up?  Well my reply to Larry's question about a small 
light FF long lens.   I decided to do a little research on available 
"New" Catadioptric lenses took me to this, the website for a once 
popular, reputable, photo magazine, you have to click on the link to see 
the full horror:


http://www.popphoto.com/gear/2008/12/slr-cat-did-it

How a photo magazine could publish anything with that picture is beyond 
me, don't they care about their image at all...


(All puns intended).


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Re: PESO: Tracks

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Bruce and David.

I had a hard time deciding between this "level" version and a slightly
slanted version (http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18323012).  I
decided on the level version but somehow the slanted version looks a bit
more interesting after I have looked at both several times.


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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker 
wrote:

> A nicely geometric textural study, Dan. Perfect for a Facebook cover photo
> too.
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>  wrote:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18323013=lg
> >
> > k-5 IIs, FA 100 mm Macro F2.8
> > Comments are invited
> >
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Steve Cottrell]

On 18/12/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to 
>sleep last Tuesday.
>This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of 
>the last pictures I have of him.
>
>http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/byebug.html
>
>K1, 43mm LTD. f/2.2, 1/60th, ISO 6400.

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Re: PESO - from the shower

[John]

Facebook is so full of shit Zuckerberg has brown eyes.

On 12/18/2016 10:59 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

The average North American, and certainly the wise elders who run
Facebook believe that the sight of uncovered female nipples will cause
sufficient moral decay to collapse society. I'm still in my third
30-day ban for allowing a nip-slip on Facebook.


On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:32 PM, John  wrote:

Nice, but I don't think a few female nipples are what's going to bring
down Western Civilization.

On 12/17/2016 3:09 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig

Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/4.0, 1/60th sec, 500 ISO; handheld.
Ambient room light: miniature LED flush ceiling spotlights.






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Re: PESO - from the shower

[John]

On 12/18/2016 11:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I'm sure you're right; moles most likely. In any event I decided to
leave her dermis unretouched.

And I'll leave the health checkups up to the model. :)

Thanks for the enlightenment, John.




Yeah. I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one on TV ...

But I do have a lifetime of PERSONAL experience with "Atypical Mole
Syndrome".

As to retouching them, I would always defer to the model's preference,
so it's not for me to say yes or no.



On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 7:11 PM, John  wrote:

They don't look like MRSA. They look like common moles (nevi) to me.
Most people have some; some people have more than others.

If you have a great number (more than 40) it could possibly be
Dysplastic nevus syndrome (also known as "Atypical Mole Syndrome
(AMS)","familial atypical multiple mole-melanoma (FAMMM)", "familial
melanoma syndrome", and "B-K mole syndrome").

If you have a whole lot of them, you are at higher risk of developing
Melanoma and have to be very careful to avoid excessive UV exposure.

You should be screened by a Dermatologist at least once per year.


On 12/17/2016 4:58 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Dan, yeah, I was tempted to clone those out but I really wanted to do
minimal retouching on this one, and just capture the real woman. Those
marks are prominent; it's not the light.

The unfortunate girl has a skin condition called Methicillin-resistant
Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) that I believe leads to those blemishes.
Because of it she is forced to do her own makeup as she has to be
extremely careful to avoid an infection that can lead to serious
health problems (potentially death).

Thank you!


On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:


The nipples are nice, as is the composition.

For some reason, my eye is distracted by the freckled or mores or
whatever.  They seem to be emphasized by the lighting and angle.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Bruce Walker 
wrote:


If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig

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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is a fine animal.

Sorry for your loss.  I have lost a number of dogs over the pasgt decades,
and it is always hard.  There are such good companions.


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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Bill  wrote:

> Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to
> sleep last Tuesday.
> This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of the
> last pictures I have of him.
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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On 12/17/2016 9:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?



No. You can have better or you can have not too expensive, but not both.

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Re: PESO - from the shower

[John]

In that case, it would be the *WRONG* politician, wouldn't it?

On 12/17/2016 9:44 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

With the right politician they might.


-Original Message-

From: John 
Subject: Re: PESO - from the shower

Nice, but I don't think a few female nipples are what's going to bring
down Western Civilization.

On 12/17/2016 3:09 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig

Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo

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Re: OT: Fungi ID

[John]

FWIW, the bark looks like a pine tree.


On 12/17/2016 6:10 PM, PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com wrote:

Mike,

It was discussed off list that it most likely is an Oyster Mushroom or
the Jack-O-Lantern the poisonous cousin. Location was here in Nashville
TN and I really don't remember the tree itself as I was at the time
paying more attention to the Fungi.

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On 12/17/2016 4:07 PM, mike wilson wrote:



On 17 December 2016 at 16:03 "PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com"
 wrote:


This Fungi was growing on a tree in Mount Olivet Cemetery and I need
help with its proper name. Is there anyone on the list with knowledge to
ID the Fungi.

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/plants_and_trees/e408a8db4

Thanks,

That's a weird one.  Looks like a cross between a Polypore, or bracket
fungus
(which grows on trees) and a chantarelle, which doesn't.  Maybe one of
the
Pleurotus species, commonly known as Oyster mushrooms?

Other possibilities:
Honey Mushroom Armillaria solidipes
Sulfur Shelf Laetiporus sulphureus
Northern Tooth Climacodon septentrionalis

Location and habitat (what tree is that?) woud help narrow it down.





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Re: Diesels

[P. J. Alling]

Actually what a Sigma 200-500 f2.8 is for.  Well, that and weight training.

On 12/15/2016 7:28 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Morris Galloway wrote:


Ain't there  a single country boy in this group?  Grousing about the
ride?  These things ain't a limo.  They ain't even a station wagon for
momma to use picking up the kids after school.
They are TRUCKS.  They are meant to haul Hay, take Bossy, or a couple of
heifers, or a sow, or whatever -- where ever they need to go.  Or bring
hay or barbed wire and fence posts to the quarter section (poor),
section (rich) that you are farming.

And I thought they were meant to compensate for a small penis...
;-)
  



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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Marco Alpert]

So very sorry. A lovely remembrance.

m

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to 
> sleep last Tuesday.
> This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of the 
> last pictures I have of him.
> 
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Alan C]

So sad. It's hard to lose a faithful friend.

Alan C

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Subject: PESO: Another Dog Picture

Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to
sleep last Tuesday.
This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of
the last pictures I have of him.

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Re: PESO - from the shower

[P. J. Alling]

Facebook is run by those most vile of bluenoses, leftest social justice 
puritans.  They make the actual Puritans look like libertines.   This is 
especially galling since Mark Zukerberg designed Facebook as a stalking 
tool.  I wouldn't use Facebook if my life depended on it.



On 12/18/2016 10:59 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

The average North American, and certainly the wise elders who run
Facebook believe that the sight of uncovered female nipples will cause
sufficient moral decay to collapse society. I'm still in my third
30-day ban for allowing a nip-slip on Facebook.


On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:32 PM, John  wrote:

Nice, but I don't think a few female nipples are what's going to bring
down Western Civilization.

On 12/17/2016 3:09 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig

Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/4.0, 1/60th sec, 500 ISO; handheld.
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[David J Brooks]

sorry to hear this Bill. very nice photo

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Bill  wrote:
> Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to
> sleep last Tuesday.
> This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of the
> last pictures I have of him.
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Re: PESO: Tracks

[David J Brooks]

nicely done

dave

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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[P. J. Alling]

I find this hard to say about people, dogs are easy.  They're so much 
better than we are.   You have my deepest condolences.   Dogs get old, 
die, and break your heart.


On 12/18/2016 11:39 AM, Bill wrote:
Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put 
to sleep last Tuesday.
This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of 
the last pictures I have of him.


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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Jack Davis]

A deeply felt loss of a true friend.
Sorry, Bill.

J

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> On Dec 18, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to 
> sleep last Tuesday.
> This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of the 
> last pictures I have of him.
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Bruce Walker]

I am so sorry to hear that, Bill. That's a lovely portrait of your buddy.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Bill  wrote:
> Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to
> sleep last Tuesday.
> This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of the
> last pictures I have of him.
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Paul Stenquist]

So sorry. A wonderful photo of a beautiful animal.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to 
> sleep last Tuesday.
> This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of the 
> last pictures I have of him.
> 
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[P. J. Alling]

So you're effectively looking for something like  28mm to something 
between 300mm and 400mm.That's not too big...  Well unless someone 
has repealed the laws of physics that's not going to happen.I don't 
think that can be made compact or light weight.


There is the FAJ 75-300 f4.5~5.6, but AFAIK nobody actually liked it, 
and three different Pentax auto focus 100-300mm lenses, but I've never 
heard any one say anything good about them optically, or equivalent 
lenses from other systems and manufactures for that matter.   So if can 
find one they're probably going to be cheap.


There is a Sigma 70-300, that looks like the  70-210 that I was gifted 
with about a year ago.  If it's anything like the 70-210mm it's not 
horrible, not great either, it will be very light, and extremely 
inexpensive.  KEH.com had one for about $35-40 in like new condition not 
that long ago.


As to a longer max focal length, I've never heard of one.   You might 
start looking for a 400mm Catadioptric,  Kenko currently makes one.   
You won't find anything smaller or much lighter in that focal length, 
but of course manual focus.



On 12/17/2016 9:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the niche of my 
18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but will still fit in 
my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff. Is 
there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?



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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:08:46AM +, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
> >niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
> >will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton. 
> >The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
> >Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
> 
> Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
> a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
> good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
> large zoom range) is counter-productive?

That's not always the case - back when I was regularly shooting motorsports
(on film ...) I was used to seeing a lot of the full-time photographers
using the Canon L 35-350, which was an amazingly good lens.  But that was
the exception (and by now I suspect modern digital sensors would point out
flaws in that lens that we didn't see when limited by film resolution).


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PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Bill]

Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to 
sleep last Tuesday.
This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of 
the last pictures I have of him.


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/byebug.html

K1, 43mm LTD. f/2.2, 1/60th, ISO 6400.

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Re: PESO - from the shower

[Bill]

On 12/18/2016 10:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 17/12/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:


If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig

Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/4.0, 1/60th sec, 500 ISO; handheld.
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Nice block heaters.


I thaw what you did there. :)



Let me put a plug in for that image too please.

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Re: PESO - 'Standing out in the lake'

[David J Brooks]

simple and beauttiful

Dave

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Taken last fall in Seney National Wildlife Refuge in the Upper Peninsula of
> Michigan
>
> K3 and 300mm f4.5 FA
>
> Comments ?
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Re: PESO: Tracks

[Bruce Walker]

A nicely geometric textural study, Dan. Perfect for a Facebook cover photo too.


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Re: PESO - from the shower

[Bruce Walker]

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 17/12/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
>>topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
>>female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.
>>
>>http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig
>>
>>Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo
>>
>>645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/4.0, 1/60th sec, 500 ISO; handheld.
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>
> Nice block heaters.

I thaw what you did there. :)

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Re: PESO - from the shower

[Bruce Walker]

I'm sure you're right; moles most likely. In any event I decided to
leave her dermis unretouched.

And I'll leave the health checkups up to the model. :)

Thanks for the enlightenment, John.


On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 7:11 PM, John  wrote:
> They don't look like MRSA. They look like common moles (nevi) to me.
> Most people have some; some people have more than others.
>
> If you have a great number (more than 40) it could possibly be
> Dysplastic nevus syndrome (also known as "Atypical Mole Syndrome
> (AMS)","familial atypical multiple mole-melanoma (FAMMM)", "familial
> melanoma syndrome", and "B-K mole syndrome").
>
> If you have a whole lot of them, you are at higher risk of developing
> Melanoma and have to be very careful to avoid excessive UV exposure.
>
> You should be screened by a Dermatologist at least once per year.
>
>
> On 12/17/2016 4:58 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Dan, yeah, I was tempted to clone those out but I really wanted to do
>> minimal retouching on this one, and just capture the real woman. Those
>> marks are prominent; it's not the light.
>>
>> The unfortunate girl has a skin condition called Methicillin-resistant
>> Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) that I believe leads to those blemishes.
>> Because of it she is forced to do her own makeup as she has to be
>> extremely careful to avoid an infection that can lead to serious
>> health problems (potentially death).
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The nipples are nice, as is the composition.
>>>
>>> For some reason, my eye is distracted by the freckled or mores or
>>> whatever.  They seem to be emphasized by the lighting and angle.
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Bruce Walker 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
 topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
 female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.

 http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig

 Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo

 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/4.0, 1/60th sec, 500 ISO; handheld.
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Re: PESO - from the shower

[Bruce Walker]

The average North American, and certainly the wise elders who run
Facebook believe that the sight of uncovered female nipples will cause
sufficient moral decay to collapse society. I'm still in my third
30-day ban for allowing a nip-slip on Facebook.


On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:32 PM, John  wrote:
> Nice, but I don't think a few female nipples are what's going to bring
> down Western Civilization.
>
> On 12/17/2016 3:09 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
>> topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
>> female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig
>>
>> Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo
>>
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Re: PESO - from the shower

[Steve Cottrell]

On 17/12/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>If anyone just needs some eye-candy and a distraction from heated
>topics, here's some. It's unabashedly NSFW though. It's those dreaded
>female nipples. The fall of western civilization is surely nigh.
>
>http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IyLE16dMTWig
>
>Model, makeup, hair: Dane Halo
>
>645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/4.0, 1/60th sec, 500 ISO; handheld.
>Ambient room light: miniature LED flush ceiling spotlights.

Nice block heaters.

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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Steve Cottrell]

On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
>niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
>will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton. 
>The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
>Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?

Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
large zoom range) is counter-productive?


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