Re: MZ-S worth
Now I understand !!! But P&S is not similar to SLR ! Olympus is very popular with its P&S, but not for SLR (unless E-10 ) - Original Message - From: "Nicolas Colarusso, cga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:50 AM Subject: Re: MZ-S worth > A point and shoot camera. Une appareil photographique compact. > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P&S en francais (Was: MZ-S worth)
Hello a little sens, but the translation is a "compact " (good translation for P&S is "viser et déclencher", because "tirez" means shoot or f*ck...hum, and Pointez is use for a game named "pétanque" Nevertheless : Thank you all See you Pentaxclover - Original Message - From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:54 AM Subject: P&S en francais (Was: MZ-S worth) > Pentax Clover wrote: > > > Please, can you tell me what P&S means ??? (my english is not as good as I > > wish ) > > Pardonnez moi, je ne parle pas Francais très bien, mais quand méme je voudrais bien essayer de repondre cette question en Francais. > "P&S" veut dire "Point and shoot", comme (en Francais) "Pointer(?) et tirer(?)" ou, si vous voulez, "Pointez et tirez". On utilise cette phrase pour les cameras compactes (par example le Pentax Espio etc), parce que on peut les utiliser tres facilement, seulment par pointer et tirer... > (Did this make any sense in French?) > > Lasse > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax FA 35 mm f2.0 AL vs Stylus Epic
I suppose Stylus Epic to be the Olympus P&S named Mju-II in Europe ? Well, when you use Pentax 35mm f/:2 AL at f/:5.6, it is only sublim... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S stincks ???
I often forget if I am using spot or not ! So, that's why I like to have the meter shown inside !!! S-mode is in fact the way I call Speed Priority ! I do not understand How you can choose a speed on this MZ-S Thanks ! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S, my FA* 80-200 2.8 and an Earthquake (a little long...OK longer than I thought)!
Hello Glad to know that you survive the earth quake It is a very pleasant thing to know that focusing has make a big difference with the MZ-S. I tried a 80-200mm f/:2.8 ED on my MZ-3 and definitely do not like its slow way of working! About the 24-90mm f/:3.5-4.5, I am quite surprise, because I usually prefer a great aperture than a wide range! For tha optical quality, I prefer to wait for the test my favorite magazin will make as soon as the lens is avaible (I am talking about the french magazin named CHASSEUR D IMAGES, www.photim.com ) If I reside near you, I hope to buy your 24mm f/:2, but, from France, it will be quite complex ! The tokina is not a very good lens, so I totally inderstand why you wish to sell it for a Pentax zoom ;-) I hope that if you buy the MZ-S, you will enjoy it very much ! For the moment, I find it too expensive for the young student who is ME ! See you Pentaxclover - Original Message - From: "Darren & Tara Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: MZ-S, my FA* 80-200 2.8 and an Earthquake (a little long...OK longer than I thought)! > Helo all, > > Today was a very interesting / exciting day in my camera shop. First we > experienced all 45 seconds of Seattle's earthquake! It's the largest one > I've ever felt, but by the time we felt it in Richmond, BC (Canada), it was > only about a 2.0. Richmond is an Island city to Vancouver's imediate > south...as in over a bridge. It felt like a long...long continuous rolling > motion. The entire 25 year old store slowly rocked back & forth and freaked > out our only customer at the time. Other than that, it was simply the talk > of the town for the day. I am glad to hear that all of ya PDMLers to our > imediate south are all OK! Let's call that one the Pacific Northwest's "Big > One" and be over & done with it...what do ya think? > > Then, my Pentax rep decided to darken our doorway to dangled the carrot > (aka MZ-S) a little closer than ever. I had the opportunity to slap my FA* > 80-200 f2.8 EDIF this pre-production version of the MZ-S. I only had the > camera in my hands for a short while but got a very good feel for it. I > doubt that there is much that I could elaborate on that others have not > already, however, please feel free to ask any questions that might still be > up in the air. > > The focusing with my 80-200 was what impressed me. It was definitely > quicker than my Z-1p or MZ-5n. I got the impression that the focusing motor > was indeed more powerful. I didn't bother trying the Basic Power Zoom as I > doubt it would operate any differently. I felt the operation of the AF > sensor selection was fine for my purposes (but then I don't shoot sports or > wildlife). I wanted to try my two LTDs on it to gauge the size/balance with > my two favorite lenses, but I did not get the chance. The camera was > definitely screaming for the elusive BG-10 verticle grip that we've all > heard of. I think that the camera / vert. grip combo will be a must for > quite a few people just as the Extension Grip FDp is for alot of Z-1p users > (myself included). > > I found the operation of the main Mode Dial, Exposure modes and...uh...Hyper > button...?... to be quite straight forward, a little unorthadox, and very > ingenious / innovative! I believe its operation has been described over and > over again, but if anyone wants my description just ask. > > Oh...and the viewfinder I found to be not as high-eyepoint, but brighter > than my MZ-5n, and not that much different form my Z-1p. I don't think I'll > have any problems with it for my purposes! > > As for the FA 24-90mm f3.5/4.5, I may just have to get one of those too (he > says unexpectedly). It sounds crazy, but does anyone want to buy one FA* > 24mm f2.0 ALIF or a Tokina 28-70 f2.6/2.8 PROII? I'm not sure about this > step, and I never expected to think of selling them but if I could combine > the two into one lens, I think I may just get more use out of them. I've > heard marvelous things about the 24-90's image quality and when checking it > to gauge the distortion (or lack thereof) at both ends, I was pleasantly > suprised to find very little; far less than my old and much missed FA28-70 > F4.0! Let's hope it's on par with the infamous N24-120! > > Mt overall impression is as I expected...Pentax made this camera for me and > my uses (although I do realize that there are all of you out there too). It > feels solid (no suprise), yet light. I continue to be sold on it! My wife > even knows and accepts that I wisk to replace my old faithful Z-1p with it! > It's the part about needing two avec verticle grips that doesn't go over > well. For all you out there still trying to convince your > spouse/significant other that you need this camera and for what it's worth, > my wife says you're all allowed to get one! > > Thanks for listening, > > Darren "now what do I do util
Re: Rapture, do not make this mistake !!!! Not Tokina 28-70mm
Hello > The price is very cheap compare tooo rench price ! > But if th Sigma is cheaper, then, buy the Sigma > I prefer to choose optical qualitty than weeell built (which one you can > see most on your pictures ?) > The Sigma is better when you us aperture such as f/:2.8 or f/:4, after, the > quality is becoming closer but the Sigma always is best ! the minimum focus > distance is 50cm for Sigma whereas the Tokina can only 70cm. Th tokina has a > screw in hood, not the Sigma ! > > > See you > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "Rapture" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: Rapture, do not make this mistake Not Tokina 28-70mm > > > > At 09:37 PM 2/28/2001 +0100, you wrote: > > >Hello > > >My advice is : DO NOT BUY Tokina: AT-X Pro 270 AF > > >28-70mm f/2.8 > > >Unless it is a very very good bargain !!! > > > > its a discontinued model since replaced by Pro II. Going > > for NT$7,500 which is about USD$215. What do you think? > > > > >You can find a much more better lens: SIGMA 28-70mm > > >f/:2.8 EX AF !!! > > > > sigma is cheaper purchased brand new, however i believe it isnt > > as well built as the tokina, weather if it is the Pro or Pro II. > > Is optical quality that big a difference between the sigma and the tokina? > > what kinda enhancment is there on the sigma if i may ask? > > > > >Of course, it is not as well built but the optical > > >quality is much more enhance !!! And Sigma makes lower > > >its price because of a coming up new version. But > > >optically it will be the same ! So you may affort to > > > > i thought the sigma is new enough... > > > > >buy a 50mm f/:1.4 AF or the 135mm f/:2.8 FA !!! > > >If you prefer Tokina, the new 28-80mm f/:2.8 seems to > > >be a better good bargain (Longer range ) > > > > no doubt, yes but i dont need to extra focal length in my humble opinion > > > > >This is the major opinion in France about these > > >28-70mm f/:2.8 zooms > > >See you > > > > thanks! is there any chance u could leave a email? > > > > >Pentaxclover > > > >--- > --- > > >i owe a MZ-7, pentax 28-200mm, tamron 90mm 1:1 macro, > > >sigma 17-35mm, hansa extension tube > > >kenko 2x tc, b&w uv and pl, and about 20 filters. > > > > > >will be adding these to my collection in 2 weeks > > >1. Tokina: AT-X Pro 270 AF 28-70mm f/2.8 > > >2. SIGMA APO 170-500/5-6.3 > > >3. Sigma EX 70-200mm/2.8 APO > > >4. PENTAX-FA 1:2.8 100mm MACRO(1:1) > > > > > >I promise myself to indulge and pamper myself > > >cheers > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S, my FA* 80-200 2.8 and an Earthquake (a little long...OK longer than I thought)!
Hello > Glad to know that you survive the earth quake > It is a very pleasant thing to know that focusing has make a big difference > with the MZ-S. I tried a 80-200mm f/:2.8 ED on my MZ-3 and definitely do not > like its slow way of working! > About the 24-90mm f/:3.5-4.5, I am quite surprise, because I usually prefer > a great aperture than a wide range! > For tha optical quality, I prefer to wait for the test my favorite magazin > will make as soon as the lens is avaible (I am talking about the french > magazin named CHASSEUR D IMAGES, www.photim.com ) > If I reside near you, I hope to buy your 24mm f/:2, but, from France, it > will be quite complex ! The tokina is not a very good lens, so I totally > inderstand why you wish to sell it for a Pentax zoom ;-) > I hope that if you buy the MZ-S, you will enjoy it very much ! > For the moment, I find it too expensive for the young student who is ME ! > See you _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S stincks ???
Hello > I have the great opportunityto try for a test, the Minolta Dynax/maxxum 7. > You know the big problem is nt the body, this is one of the best I ever hold > in my hands. > But its price is too high and this christmas, no very much people bought one > ! > I was hoping that the MZ-S suppose to be not far from perfect body. > So each thing that appears not as good as I expected, well , it makes me > more crazy about it ! > Even more because of the easy way to turn imperfect things into perfect > things! > In a way, I prefer to buy the MZ-S either cheaper or with every detail > fitting to me ! > And it will also able Pentax to be much known so People will know the real > quality of Pentax > Even I am not satisfy with the MZ-S, I also know that if I can affort it, I > will be as happy as it is possible ! > But for the moment, I am heading for the next coming body which will replace > the MZ-3 > See you > > Pentaxclover aka Nicolas > > - Original Message - > From: "Roland Mabo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: MZ-S stincks ??? > > > > * Nicolas Lau wrote: > > > > >First, its Too high price > > > > Yes, if you see the MZ-S as a replacement model for the Z-1p - which it is > not. > > No, if you see the MZ-S as an autofocus replacement model for the LX - > which it seems to be. > > > > >Second, it is often worst than the Z-1p/PZ-1p ( > > >shutter etc ..) > > > > Is it? > > It may have 1/6000 top speed instead of 1/8000, and standard X sync may > not be faster than 1/180 - but, and this is an important but: > > * It's built to last - with an extremely reliable construction (magnesium, > sealed against dust and moisture) and electronics. > > * It has a shutter that can cope with 100 or more rolls a week, 12 months > a year. > > * It has retained the custom functions of the Z-1p, and added some nice > extras (like metering coupled to selected focus point on/off). > > * It has an advanced data imprinting. > > * It has HyperModes (or HyperOperation) much in the same way as the Z-1p, > except that the user has to move the aperture ring to A. > > * It has 6-point autofocus, while the Z-1p has only one. > > * It has the program modes of the Z-1p (action, depth-of-field, MTF and > standard program). > > * It's smaller and lighter than the Z-1p (despite a more solid > construction) > > * It has a socket for PC studio flash. > > > > Compare this to the Contax N1, which cost twice as much as the MZ-S. You > don't get better build quality with Contax or Leica. > > The N1 only has 1/125 standard flash sync (1/250 with special dedicated > flash). > > No high-speed flash sync. > > No HyperOperation (but it do has a clever combination of traditional > shutter- and aperture dials with multi-function dial). > > It's big and bulky > > And the glass is much, much, much more expensive (and there's only four of > them too! 24-85, 70-300, 50 f/1.4 and 100 f/2.8 Macro). > > Still, the N1 is rated "professional" (actually, all products from Contax > seems to be rated "professional", they simply has a great image and knows > how to charge for it...) > > > > >Third, where is the 550FTG ??? > > > > Probably on it's way soon... > > > > >Fourth: I worry too much about it I hope I will > > >be able to buy one, but > > >it seems that I won't due to its price ! > > > > I strongly believe that Pentax is working on a MZ-3 and Z-1p replacement > model, to fit the quite big gap between the MZ-5N and MZ-S. > > Probably with more plastic to lower build cost, perhaps with 1/8000 > shutter but with some of the features from the MZ-S removed (no PC flash > etc.). > > > > Personally, I would love a MZ-3 with true chrome metal instead of the > silver painted plastic, and... > > * Cross sensor autofocus > > * Multiple exposure > > * PC flash socket > > * High-speed flash sync (1/4000) > > * Action, MTF and DOF program lines (selectable with an easy switch) > > * Option of having the film leader out (a small button at the left side > perhaps?) > > > > Of course at a lower, or similar price, as the Nikon F80. > > Now, that's a camera I would buy! > > > > Best regards, > > Roland > > > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
I am waiting for a Pentax 17-35mm f/:2.8 FA IF ED AL etc....
> Hello Everybody > Does anybody heard something about a 17-35mm f/:2.8 Zoom made by Pentax ??? > See you > > Pentaxclover > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fw: what i'd really like in a camera(body)-MZ-3 had failed in France
> Hello Everybody > You know, as I live in France, I found a nice MZ-3 and am very about it ! > But the problem is that no body in France and Europe enjoy a MZ-3. That s > why I could find it with half price to pay! > There is a MZ-3 in the supermarket near my home, and its regular price is > 4290FF (600$) with 28-80 mm f::3.5-5.6. Now, it is sold at 2500FF (348$) > because noone wants to buy it. Thanks to a friend of mine who wants one, I > warn him about it ! > Now ther is still one last MZ-3 to be sold. And you know what ??? Noone > wants it . > See you > > Pentaxclover _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax and Image Stabilization
" Treena, with one known exception, (75-300 IS) all the other Canon IS (2nd, 3rd, 4th generation) lenses are top of the line "L" (pro) models, not just jacked up consumer lenses." I owned a 28-135mm IS before returning inPentax Family. And this is not a top lens! Lots of Pro in France, using Nikon do not wish a IS. I do believe that IS or VR is usefull but we can survive without !!! Mostly, I find it usefull wit great aperture lens (such as f/:2.8) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
Hello sometimes, the lens formula change ! AS 300mm f/:4.5, the F version is better than the FA !!! (really !!!) Or the 85mm f/:1.4, the FA version is the best 85mm in the world compare to anyone else. But the 85mm f/:1.4 A is not as good (old formula) See you Pentaxclover - Original Message - From: "Bojidar Dimitrov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: vendredi 2 mars 2001 14:00 Subject: Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens > Recently =?iso-8859-1?q?Kelvin=20Ang?= wrote: > > > > I'm new and very much confused by the different series > > of Pentax lens. A single 50mm f/1.4 apparently have > > the F series, A series and FA series... apparently > > these lens can be mounted on a K-mount of a Pentax > > camera right? So, do they make any differences in > > terms of quality of the images? > > The lens series are about functionality that the lenses and bodies support > and not about optical quality. In other words, in general, you cannot say > that an FA lens is better than A, for example. > > Still, what do these abbreviations mean? For the short answer see here: > http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/summary.html For the long answer here: > http://www.phred.org/pentax/k/FAQ/K-mount/ > > Cheers, > Boz > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax and Image Stabilization
Hello Everybody the 80-400 VR by Nikon is sold at 15000FF, equal to three times the average income a mounth in France See you Pentaxclover _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
NOOO the 85mm f/:1.4 FA is better than the A. Because it is not the same formula !!! I own a 85mm f/:1.4 FA and it is sublim !! - Original Message - From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: samedi 3 mars 2001 05:51 Subject: Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except > Okay, guys. Let's not all jump on him at once. He just doesn't know yet. > > Pentaxclover, repeat this over and over again: > > "Anything manual focus is ALWAYS better than anything autofocus." > > Soon you will be enlightened, and you will no longer be tempted to suggest such nonsense again. > > Go in peace. > > Doug "speaking of religious debates" Brewer > > > At 9:33 PM +01003/2/01, Pentax Clover caused thus to appear: > >Hello > >sometimes, the lens formula change ! > >AS 300mm f/:4.5, the F version is better than the FA !!! (really !!!) > >Or the 85mm f/:1.4, the FA version is the best 85mm in the world compare to > >anyone else. But the 85mm f/:1.4 A is not as good (old formula) > >See you > > > >Pentaxclover > -- > Douglas Forrest Brewer > Ashwood Lake Photography > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.alphoto.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
Hello 85mm f/:1.4 A = 7 lens in 6 groups 85mm f/:1.4 FA = 8 lens in 7groups The French reference test of Chasseur d Images Magazin shows that the 85mm FA is better than a LEICA APO Summicron M 90mm f/:2 Asph or Canon 85mm L f/:1.2 or Minolta or Nikon 85mm f/:1.4 When you use the FA at f/:1.4, it is as good as the 85mm A when you use at f/:2.8 I am surprise that Nobody in the US seems to konw this ! See you Pentaxclover - Original Message - From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: samedi 3 mars 2001 07:36 Subject: Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except > Fred writes: > >In a message dated 3/2/2001 3:38:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >>Or the 85mm f/:1.4, the FA version is the best 85mm in the world compare > >>to anyone else. But the 85mm f/:1.4 A is not as good (old formula) > > > >What??? Absolutely NOT true. The FA* 85/1.4 is a good portrait lens, and > >pretty good for scenics, too, in my humble opinion, but it does not beat the > >A* 85/1.4 in any category that I can think of. > > > >Fred > > Well, except auto focus, of course. > > Dan Scott > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax and Image Stabilization
Hello Everybody in fact, it is net, and it is a littlie more the 5000FF but not very much (maybe nearer to 5600FF). It is the minimal income if you which to empploy someone for a full time job, which is mean 35hours a week See you Pentaxclover - Original Message - From: "Frits J. Wüthrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: dimanche 4 mars 2001 12:30 Subject: RE: Pentax and Image Stabilization > Good question, I didn't realise it could be explained two ways while I was > writing it. > 762 Euro (the Euro character got lost in e-space) is about 710 USD, and I > think that must be too low. Well first the question: is it net or gross. I > assumed gross. > > Frits > > > Frits J. Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > That means the average is 5000FF, or ?762, that is roughly the > > same amount in USD. I find it hard to believe that is the average monthly > income in > > > France. Are you sure? > > > > Do you think it's too high or too low? :-) > > > > Gianfranco > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 28-70mm f/:2.8 SIGMA EX
Hello My 85mm f/:1.4 FA , 43mm f/:1.9 and 35mm f/:2 FA Pentax also do not allow f/:19 between f/:22 and f/:16 Beware, it seems that the 20mm f/:1.8 DG is not very good (not as good as the 20mm Pentax ) If the price is not really lower than the Pentax, you may prefer the Pentax except needing great aperture such as f/:1.8 The 105mm is an excellent lens. I regret that its hood is a screw in hood the 14mm do not exist by Pentax !!! there is also a Tamron 14mm f/:2.8, nearly as good (seems that the Sigma is a little better) but the Tamron looks prettier ! The Sigma 70-200mm f/:2.8 EX was an excellent lens for Pentax owner until they sell it more expensive than before ! (in France) See you Pentaxclover - Original Message - From: "Michael Perham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: dimanche 4 mars 2001 00:45 Subject: Re: 28-70mm f/:2.8 SIGMA EX > Pentax Clover wrote: > > > Warning ! > > The SIGMA has some bad things ! > > I hold it today and it surprise me ! > > the aperture ring is very loosy and you cannot select f/:3.5 !!( f/:2.8 then > > f/:4) > > If you use a MZ body, this ring is not easily reachable ! > > Also only full stops between f16 - f32; 1/2 stops only available from f4 to > f16. My aperture ring is solid, in fact the whole lens is solid and the optical > quality is excellent. This lens is also the smallest 28-70 2.8 on the market and > a perfect match to a Pentax body. BTW, I have just orderd the new 100 mm - 300 > mm f4 EX and 20 mm f1.8 and it was my satisfaction with the 28-70 that led me to > expand my Sigma line of lenses. These three lenses, along with the 105 mm 2.8 > macro, provide me with all the glass I need for what I shoot. Mind you, if I > were rich, the 500 mm f4.5 and 14 mm 2.8 would be nice!! > > Cheers, Mike. > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax digital SLR camera
Hello Also here : http://digilander.iol.it/aohc/pressrelease/6mpe.htm and here in French : http://www.photim.net/PMA/PMA-Live-4.htm See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Cyril MARION" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: dimanche 4 mars 2001 21:25 Subject: Pentax digital SLR camera > Hello, > > I've found on another list devoted to panorama pictures that PENTAX was > planning to release a new 6 megapixel digital SLR. Does anybody know > additional information about this ? A nice way to re-use our K-mount lenses > and keep on shooting with Pentax, no ? > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0009/00091402pentaxdigitalslr.asp > > Regards, > > Cyril MARION > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax and Image Stabilization
Hello Cyril, you are also living in France ??? See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Cyril MARION" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: dimanche 4 mars 2001 22:45 Subject: RE: Pentax and Image Stabilization > 5000F is not the average income in France but the minimum monthly salary, > exaclty 5800F, for 35hrs/week (called SMIC). Average income in France is to > my knowledge located somewhere above 1F a month. > Cheers, > Cyril > > > That means the average is 5000FF, or ?762, that is roughly > > the same amount > > in USD. I find it hard to believe that is the average monthly > > income in > > France. Are you sure? > > > > Frits > > > > > > Hello Everybody > > > the 80-400 VR by Nikon is sold at 15000FF, equal to three times > > > the average > > > income a mounth in France > > > See you > > > > > > Pentaxclover > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Have got a new LX !!
Hello you are a lucky guy, you know ? Have lots of enjoyments with this LX See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Yoshihiko Takinami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Duscuss Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: lundi 5 mars 2001 14:52 Subject: Have got a new LX !! > Hi folks, > > Finally, I have got a new LX !! :^) > > Yes, I already have one used. > The new screens are so remarkable that I cannot resist > to get a new one before Pentax stops producing LX. > > I am now really excited with two LX's, one with a FA-1 > and the other with a FA-2. Both of them are installed > SE-60 (plain matte) screens. > > # It's a pity but I heard that the new screens are > # currently out of stock all over Japan. > # It seems most LX owners in Japan rushed into the > # new screens. > > Cheers ! > -- > Yoshihiko Takinami > Osaka, Japan > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
Hello For the moment, the 85mm is not avaible. It is came from a old Pentax Reserve I have to met the boss tis week, so wait for the moment. May be he would be reluctant to sell it to foreigner as far as he is not sure to get the money See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Clover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: lundi 5 mars 2001 16:24 Subject: Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except > Pentax clover wrote: > > PC> I am very surprise that many members of PDML consider that tests of Chasseur > PC> d'Images is not are inreliable ! > > Just watch closely the relationship between advertising volume and > the test results... it's unfortunate as I like otherwise ChdI. > > PC> ... > PC> The store nearby my home gonna sell a 85mm f/:1.4 A (second hand) for a > PC> cheap price (1600F). > > Tres bien, je vous offre 2000FF pour celui la! Nice profit, eh? and > I'm sure other list members will double the stake. ;o) > > Servus, Alin > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
> Alin wrote : > Just watch closely the relationship between advertising volume and > the test results... it's unfortunate as I like otherwise ChdI. > Sorry, I am not agree with this ! You know Minolta was in trouble because the test of the Maxxum/Dynax 7 is very good. So they ask CI to choose 25 Photographs (pro or not) to try the D7. And the conclusions is that the D7 is really wonderfull. (I know someone who made the test ! It was ME !) You know, Canon, Nikon, Pentx or else, they know what the tests show , so they choose the moment for put more or less advertising! If you really think CdI is not reliable, I cannot change your mind ! If you wish to change your mind about CdI, you need to do it yourself ...That is the way I act ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
Reliable or not is really not the issue. What are they really testing and why? It may seem like strange question but in any scientific test such questions needs to be answered before you perform a test. People like CDI perform tests for the sake of it because it sell magazines. I'm sure their procedures are sound and can be repeated with the same result but what is the relevance of the test for a photographer? When every Pentax owner in the kown universe can testify that CDI's conclusion is contradictory to personal experience and others tests are we going to stop believeing in out own experience and start believeing in CDI? > I repeat that anyone who design a test that only proves that shit happens is screwing their readers to sell magazines. > > Pål > The problem you mention is that you talk about own experience. However, I think CdI test lots of parameters. And then you choose to pick the ones you prefer. If you do not read all the comment and only focus on the final stars about the lens, you make the same mistake than even French People do: They are blinkered by the number of stars ! The 20mm f/:2.8 has only 3/5 stars. But the comment is very good about the lens. Because lots of other 20mm are not as good as Pentax's one ! The most important for me is to buy a lens with all I need inside. CdI helps me to know more than what an advertising says. After I use my own opinion. I prefer my 35mm FA f/:2 than my former 50mm F f/:1.7 than my 43mm f/:1.9. CdI gives all these lens 4/:5 stars (technical) . Why do I prefer my lens in this order ? When you look the tests, you can guess a little ! There is a better contrast and sharpness for the 35mm, using f/:4 or 5.6. When I use my 35mm, even in f/:2, the contrast is so good that I go on adore it ! The tests exist and they are very usefull, but you need to learnhow to use it ! Let's stop talking about this ! I do not think we can get agree about it in the next future ! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except
Pål Wote > Not at all. I've seen their comments and rating on "all" paramenter which BTW aren't many. I do not pick one parameter; like the rest of us I look at the final image and have found out that CDI is so often way off the mark that their tests aren't trustworthy. A good example is the FA* 85/1.4: by no parameters is this a five star lens and it doesn't compare well to similar A*. Its no coincidence that Pentax users are willing to pay more for a used A* 85/1.4 than a new FA* 85/1.4. I count myself among those and I'm an auto focus guy. Well, it seems than I am not an usual Pentax user, then. > I still have a question for you: why should we trust CDI and their test when they more often than not are contradictory to Pentax users experience and other tests? Weird..It seems Photodo tests match with the CdI ones >What is it that make CDI test better than anyone else including our own experiences? Not the best, but a reliable one > Also, I still like to repeate that the infamous shutter test they performed have proven beyond doubt that their "tests" are only for selling magazines and that trustworthyness doesn't even enter the picture. I am still having fun to read this kind of test > ...and BTW The FA 43/1.9 Limited is "Amateur Photographer" magazine reference lens beating the Carl Zeiss 50/1.4. This is more in accordance with my experience. I think the difference between you and I, is that you trust your own experience which is true, but mostly for you. I prefer to use my favorite lens without comparing to other lens. Why would I like to buy a Canon or Nikon, as far as I use Pentax ??? I cuold affort to buy a 43mm because if was sold new half of its price with the MZ-3. If I can have for a similar discount a 50mm f/:1.4, I would be as happy ! (may be a little more) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
I hold a sample of the MZ-S !!!
Hello I hold last thursday a sample of the MZ-S!!! It is very special event but its price gives a bad taste of it See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
how much are you ready to pay for a LX ?
I would like to know how much PDML members are ready to pay for a second hand LX ? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZX-5n - Good price at B&H photo
Hello Do you really need a top body or a limited lens ??? My own opinion is that the MZ--S is going to be very expensive! I hold a sample, and do not pay it for more than 850US$ So wait for a "ZX-3n?" Now if you which a limited lens, you know what to buy. See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Eric Lawton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: jeudi 15 mars 2001 16:25 Subject: ZX-5n - Good price at B&H photo > I've been agonizing over an upgrade to an auto-focus camera (I own a ZX-M). > Found a good price for the ZX-5n at B&H photo. US$280 for new with date > back and US warranty (i called and verified that). I think these usually go > for $330 mail order. Thought I'd let the list know. > > www.bhphotovideo.com > > Now what do I do? MZ-S, PZ-1p, ZX-5n ? I can only afford to buy one > camera. If the MZ-S comes in at a street price of ~US$900 I doubt I'd > purchase one. If I could get a MZ-S for US$700 I might go for it. But I > could get a ZX-5n and a nice limited lens for the same money. Decisions, > decisions I really like what I see in the MZ-S user interface so far > ... any word on a MZ-S sibling that might fall between the ZX-5n and MZ-S in > price? > > Eric > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Who wants a LX for 400 US$ ?
Hello That's the price I found here ! I do not need it but it seems so cheap ! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: F, A, FA and FA* lens-except_About CdI
If you can easily read French text, go to this link, so you might understand how CdI is not devoted to a trade mark ! http://www.photim.net/nci/discu.php3?code=20010315130813as See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
A TRAGIC, TRAGIC day....Even on photim.com
Hello Everybody on Photim's forum share your pain You can read the comments by following the link http://www.photim.net/nci/discu.php3?code=20010323022512clover See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Tanya & Russell Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: jeudi 22 mars 2001 14:30 Subject: A TRAGIC, TRAGIC day > Hello all, > > I apologise for my tardiness in keeping up with all of your wonderful > replies - all I can do is blame it on the fact that today was shopping day > and I had to screaming kids begging me to take them to Macca's for "happy > meals". > > However, I digress, and as such I must now revert back to the tragedy of > today. Actually, multiple tragedies really, so here goes > > So we went to M'Donalds - just me and my two toddlers. Had a nice lunch and > decided to go up to our local tourist lookout for a walk. Being a nice day, > naturally, I chose to take with me my trusty third baby (my other two are > human), my PZ-1P. readers, and especially the author> We got to the top and it was almost > sunset, so I thought, hey, why don't I set up my tripod and take some > selfportraits of myself and my boys with the sunset behind us. Hmmm, so far > so good. Tripod set up, cable release set up, smile, snap! smile, snap! a > couple of nice pics for sure. Of course after two photos, my almost three > year old (my oldest), decided to make a bolt for it categorically stating > that he wanted to "play in park, no more pottos mum". With that, he bolted > down the path of the lookout. Me being a normal, concerned mum, tried to > grab him for fear of him falling over the 50ft cliff on the other side of > the walkway, whilst trying to hold my other baby (aged 16 months) and > untangle myself from my cable release at the same time. I am almost too > upset to even type this, but, alas, I shall continue, if not to console > myself, then to at least make somebody out there feel some morsel of pity > for me! The following moments were like one of those slow motion scenes out > of a movie where all the sound gets blurred and somebody yells out > "nooo" whilst trying fruitlessly to prevent a tragedy from happening. > Well, today, I was that somebody and my tragedy did happen. Lets just say > that my Pz-1p, complete with sigma 28-80 macro zoom, pentax cable release, > achiever 630af flash and (crappy) vanguard tripod, all went a tumbling > straight over the cliff face. About 10 seconds and 50ft later, I opened up > my eyes (after all of the crashing and smashing sounds had stopped) to find > debris scattered down the cliff face at a huge variety of intervals. I am > so devastated, that camera was indeed my baby. I can't buy anything else > this year (except maybe something pretty cheap and nasty), as we are > building a house and I start Uni next year which will be expensive, so now, > I am stuck with nothing but an MZ-50. (Despite my previous claims that I > have a Pt-30, I was actually exagerrating a little in the assumption that I > would win an auction that I was bidding for it on. In a wonderful climax to > my day, I arrived home to find that I had been outbidded, and the auction > had ended while I was trying to climb down the cliff and rescue my little > black pieces of metal and glass that were once a very expensive camera.)! I > am in a severe state of shock and mourning, I sure hope some of you guys > have some miraculous words of comfortBTW, I had only had the PZ-1p since > Christmas, after I saved for two months to buy the thing! So, can anybody > hazard a guess at which item (apart from the cable release which didn't have > a scratch on it) survived this travesty? The crappy Achiever Flash, of > course! I must have done something really bad in a past life to deserve > such torture..I will never again enjoy a "happy" meal.. > :-( > Tanya. > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Any FA* Zoom Rumors ...
Hello I also wait for a 17-35mm f/:2.8 FA Zoom, and at the same time, how about change hte 28-70mm f/:4 to a 24-80mm f::2.8 ? See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: samedi 31 mars 2001 21:42 Subject: Re: Any FA* Zoom Rumors ... > > As I've said in the past, I LOVE my SMCP-F 17-28mm f/3.5-4.5 zoom > >lens! > > But, oooh, would I LOVE a new SMCP-FA* 17-28mm f/2.8 AL ED zoom! > > Any rumors of this lens in the Pentax pipeline? > > A friend of mine in Philly owns, can I say it, a new N* 17-35mm > >f/2.8D ED IF AF-S ultra-wide-angle zoom that just blows me away! > >Unfortunately she won't let me anywhere near it. (I've even promised not > >to > >drool on it!) > > ARE YOU LISTENING PENTAX? > > I doubt Pentax would produce another 2.8 zoom consider the other two have > not been selling that well. f4 would be more realistic. > > regards, > Alan Chan > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax S-1, MZ-1 and MZ-4(2?)
I tried a 80-200mm f/:2.8 ED IF FA, and it is a marvellous lens, even in its price... I hope a non Power zoom version will appear, at last, you can buy a Sigma 70-200mm f/:2.8 EX (EX version, not the old one) The quality is not very far but the built is much less cheaper ! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SMC-A 35/2.8. Mediocre or Maligned?
Hello I wsih to tell you this story. With some friends, I tryed my 85mm f/:1.4 FA IF Pentax , face to 90mm f/:2 Asph Leica and 85mm f/:1.8 Nikon. You can see the result on www.pictchallenge.com (in french only) In the CdI Website, there was a quarrel about the test (the Pentax seems to be the worst of all) and some people of CDI came and talk with us. And as the matter that we keep on argueing, they are going to test the 85mm f::1.4 again. You need to know that this cost money and time, but as we made contact, it is kindfull to re test a lens. This is a clue which makes me trust the tests of CDI. Why do they need to re test if they do not wish their tests to be reliable ? They want to proove us that this is reliable. Also, you need to know that they use 25 or 50ISO films, so with a 100 or more ISO film, you may not make a difference between 3 stars or 4 stars lens. See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Hello This is a Email I received from CdI and I wish to show to all of you ! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] Concernant les pentaxistes américains ! -Américains, français ou javanais, les penxistes comme les contaxistes, leicaistes et qqs autres commencent à me courir sur le haricot, sévère ! En effet, quel journal autre que CI, quels journalistes autres que ma pomme, Denis ou GMC ont défendu avec acharnement le droit de vivre et de prospérer des marques "secondaires" ? Qui a publié des tests élogieux sur les objectifs Leica ? Sur les boîtiers Pentax ? Sur les systèmes et les meilleurs objectifs de chaque marque ? J'en ai vraiment TRES gros sur la patate de savoir que des gens que je ne connaîs pas dans un coin que j' ignore parlent de moi en mettant en cause mon honnêteté alors que j'ai tjs défendu l'intérêt de Pentax bec et ongles, quand la marque était défendable (et évidemment critiqué ce qui était critiquable, c'est mon boulot !). Alors, si le fait d'appartenir à une communauté minoritaire vous rend tous intolérants au point qu'il nous serait interdit d'avoir une opinion négative lorsqu'elle est fondée et argumentée sur votre marque chérie; si le fait d' oser une critique en la justifiant par des arguments rationnels et vérifiables nous fait passer pour des traîtres à la cause, je te le dis tout net, je préfère que vous lisiez d'autres canards où, au moins, vous serez peinards. tout le monde il est beau et gentil dès lors qu'il passe de la pub ! CI n'est pas le bulletin de liaison de la secte des adorateur de Pentax ni un parti politique aveugle et sourd dédié à la défense corporatiste des intérêts d'une minorité, qu'on se le dise ! Je t'autorise à faire écho à mes remarques, car je tiendrai exactement les mêmes propos en public ! Mais je n'autorise personne à travestir ma pensée en la déformant. Amitiés -- Ronan Loaëc < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > La Petite Motte - 86100 SENILLE Tél : +33 (0)5 4985 4985 Fax : +33 (0)5 4985 4999 _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images-translated !!!!!!!!
Hello My translation is not good !!! I just want to explain this after reading that some members are still thinking that CdI Tests are not reliable And after this mail, I think I will unsuscribe the pdml First, because I will not have enought time to spend there and also I am fed up with argueing about reliable tests or not. (As far as I have always readen all the tests and not the stars only. I do think that saying true helps more Pentax ) Sorry, but even I hope I would be selected for the Pug in a coming future, it seems that here, I do not find the mud for staying. See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Concernant les pentaxistes américains ! >-Américains, français ou javanais, les penxistes comme les contaxistes, >leicaistes et qqs autres commencent à me courir sur le haricot, sévère ! About US Pentaxists : I am going to be fed up with American, french or javanish pentaxists or contaxists or leicaists and others. (the exact expression is very french) > En effet, quel journal autre que CI, quels journalistes autres que ma pomme, >Denis ou GMC ont défendu avec acharnement le droit de vivre et de prospérer >des marques "secondaires" ? Qui a publié des tests élogieux sur les >objectifs Leica ? Sur les boîtiers Pentax ? Sur les systèmes et les >meilleurs objectifs de chaque marque ? Indeed, CI (CdI) , jurnalists such as me, GMC or Denis always fight with heart to defend the right to live for "secondary class" Trades, by publing laudatory tests about Leica Lens, Pentax SLR, and in fact all systems and best lens and items of each trade , do not we ? > J'en ai vraiment TRES gros sur la patate de savoir que des gens que je ne connaîs pas dans un coin que j' >ignore parlent de moi en mettant en cause mon honnêteté alors que j'ai tjs >défendu l'intérêt de Pentax bec et ongles, quand la marque était défendable >(et évidemment critiqué ce qui était critiquable, c'est mon boulot !). I feel my soul bleeding by hearing that some people who I do not know from a country which I do ignore, these people are talking about me and suppecting my honesty when I always defend with armed hands the Pentax interest when the trade is defensible. ( and of course, I criticize things that have to be, because it is the essence of my job !) >Alors, si le fait d'appartenir à une communauté minoritaire vous rend tous >intolérants au point qu'il nous serait interdit d'avoir une opinion négative >lorsqu'elle est fondée et argumentée sur votre marque chérie; si le fait d' >oser une critique en la justifiant par des arguments rationnels et >vérifiables nous fait passer pour des traîtres à la cause, je te le dis tout >net, je préfère que vous lisiez d'autres canards où, au moins, vous serez >peinards. tout le monde il est beau et gentil dès lors qu'il passe de la pub ! If the fact that belonging to a minor community makes you all intolerant such as you cannot have a negative opinion for your favorite trade even when it is due to a real fact or after objectif arguing, if the only fact to dare to express a review, justified by rationnal and verifiable arguments , if this only fact leads you to see us as treacherous to Pentax, then I prefer you to read an other magazine where at last, you will feel relax, because thanks to commercial, everything will appear perfect and kind ! >CI n'est pas le bulletin de liaison de la secte des adorateur de Pentax ni >un parti politique aveugle et sourd dédié à la défense corporatiste des >intérêts d'une minorité, qu'on se le dise ! CdI is not weekly news of the sect of worshippers of Pentax nor a politic party which is blinkly or deafly dedicated to defending minor community interests ! >Je t'autorise à faire écho à mes remarques, car je tiendrai exactement les >mêmes propos en public ! Mais je n'autorise personne à travestir ma pensée >en la déformant. I allow you (Pentaxclover) to echo this notices because this is exactly the same words I will express in public ! But I allow noone to pervert my thougs by deforming them Amitiés -- Ronan Loaëc < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > La Petite Motte - 86100 SENILLE Tél : +33 (0)5 4985 4985 Fax : +33 (0)5 4985 4999 _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Hello It was personnal E mail! But some times you can read such thing in the magazine ! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Norman Baugher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mardi 10 avril 2001 16:24 Subject: Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images > Was that sent to you or published? > Norm > > Pål Jensen wrote: > > > Well, this idiot seems to acuse Pentax users for getting pissed off wherever CDI publish a test that don't give pentax rave rewiev. > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images...ERROR
Hello I did a big mistake ! I may not have to translate the mail to you as it has been asked to me(he do not wish his name and his words being deformed as it is already happened !) I am sorry and hope you will understand. So if this is possible thank you for delete it. At least, I try to make you feel and understand my point of view. Now as far as each one leave its life, I let you choose if you think I go wrong or not. Sorry See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Norman Baugher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mardi 10 avril 2001 16:24 Subject: Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images > Was that sent to you or published? > Norm > > Pål Jensen wrote: > > > Well, this idiot seems to acuse Pentax users for getting pissed off wherever CDI publish a test that don't give pentax rave rewiev. > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Hello does not matter americans or french, in France you can find such a unbelievers ! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For those of you keeping score at home, here is where we > stand: > > A Scandinavian complained that a French magazine rated > some Pentax lenses too high and others too low, so in > response a French reader of said French magazine wrote > to someone at the magazine. In response, someone at the > magazine said that Americans, whose opinions don't count > anyway, should read another magazine. > > This is fun. > > Doug > > > > Quoting Cy Galley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Poor translation! > > > > Concerning the American pentaxists! - Americans, > French or javanais, the > > penxists like the contaxists, leicaists and qqs others > start to run me on > > bean, severe! Indeed, which different newspaper than > Ci, which different > > journalists than my apple, Denis or GMC defended with > eagerness the right > > to > > live and thrive of the " secondary " marks? Who > published eulogistic tests > > on the Leica objectives? On the Pentax cases? On the > systems and the best > > objectives of each mark? I have some really VERY large > on potato of knowing > > that people that I connaîs not in a corner that I am > unaware of speaks > > about > > me by blaming my honesty whereas I have tjs defended > the interest of Pentax > > nozzle and nails, when the mark was justifiable (and > obviously criticized > > what was criticizable, it is my job!). Then, if the > fact of belonging at a > > minority community returns all to you intolerant so > much so that it would > > be > > to us interdict to have a negative opinion when it is > based and argued on > > your mark cherished; if the fact of daring a criticism > by justifying it by > > rational and verifiable arguments makes us pass for > traitors to the cause, > > I > > say it to you any Net, I prefer that you read other > ducks where, at least, > > you will be peinards. everyone it is beautiful and > nice since it passes > > from > > the advertizing! Ci is not the bulletin of connection > of the sect of the > > admirer of Pentax nor a political party blind man and > deaf person dedicated > > to defense corporatist of the interests of a minority, > that it is said! I > > authorize to you to echo my remarks, because I will > make exactly the same > > remarks as a public! But I do not authorize anybody to > disguise my thought > > by deforming it. Friendships -- Ronan Loaëc < > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > the > > Small Mound - 86100 SENILLE Tel.: +33 (0)5 4985 4985 > Faxes: +33 (0)5 4985 > > 4999 > > > > > Ashwood Lake Photography > http://www.alphoto.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
Hello Please remind that my test is not reliable. (I do not own 2 Millions FrenchFrancs tools to mesure it, but each time CdI test a lens and even the TRade disagree the result, when trade's engineers come to CdI resort, to test by their own, you know the result it quite the same) Even if I prefer to see as a religion (from your point of view) I prefer to talk about good tool. It is like a scale you can use for comparing lens... Now if the test reveals some trouble, they will try my own 85mm f/:1.4... See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mardi 10 avril 2001 18:14 Subject: Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images > Clover wrote: > > > By the way you demonstrate me something, being a pentaxist fan do not make > > you smarter. > > May be you prefer to stay in your own opinion, that is a choice I can > > understand. > > This is like bible, you may or not trust the reliable facts inside. But if > > you come with the intention of not believing , you will never understand. > > > I'm glad you said that this is about beliefs and its apparent that for you this is religion. You ask people to blindly believe whats published in CDI and you apparently do it in spite that your own test contradicts CDI's tests. Now thats belief! > I believe in my own experience with lenses. In fact, I bought that five star tested CDI lens. I expected stellar performance. In fact, the result was so far off any five star mark that I promptly assumed that my lens was faulty. I sent it with complaints to a poor Pentax repair man who measured it at every means and shot test rolls and compared it with other lenses of the same kind. Mine was found perfect and optical quality was indistinguishable from other lenses of its kind. So much for CDI tests. I guess I should accept that my not so sharp slides was really great and that this must be hallucination on my part. I should blindly believe in CDI and disregard my own eyes. > BTW I found exactly the same light fall off at the cornesr you did. Also the same less than sharp performance. Strange for a lens thats as good as they come according to CDI. Why don't you stop asking people to blindly believe. Why not look at the facts. I'm certainly convinced that you won't find any users of the A* 85/1.4, A* 135/1.8 or A* 300/2.8 that would rate it at "3" on a scale from 3-5. This is compared to any other lens. > I'm not saying that anyone should believe ME or anyone else. Just that they should believe their own result and don't blindly follow magazine test because they rarely are accurate. However, my experience is that among Pentax users with firsthand experience from lenses, there isn't much disagreement or controversy. People mostly agree on lenses and dincrepancies is at best minor - theres a remarkable degree of consensus. And in spite of what that CDI guy implies, theres absolutely no blind Pentax following here. Both lenses and cameras get bashed regularly when they deserve it (and sometimes when they don't). > > > > The fact that they answer in a such anger only show how much they trust > > their tests because of their experience. As you feel hurt when someone hits > > your sons or daughters. > > > I have no doubt that they perform their test in a reliable and repeatable manner and that the test itself its trustworthy - nobody accuse them of falsifying tests. But that is not what this is about. The point is how this test translate into meaningful information about real life use. > > Pål > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images
I agree with this quotation, but do not forget we are talking about reliable tests or not. My own expenrience is that Pentax 50mm f::1.7 is better than Minolta or Canon one (I used to own all 3) But I always prefer the Pentax one. For the 85mm, I tested it in order to help my friends. By my own experience, I already found it marvellous. So what do you want me to do ? I am still stay in Pentax system because it is my favorite one. And there will be no test, reliable enought to show why ! This is only my own story, my truth. Nevertheless, I also consider some Pentax items as not worthy (such as the MZ-S, the 300mm FA f/:3.5) - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mardi 10 avril 2001 21:11 Subject: Re: Direct from Chasseur d'Images > When Popular Photography's Herb Keppler was a young man starting out in > photography, he was apprenticing for a well-known German photographer--the > name escapes me--who had moved to America. Keppler had just read about a > new lens, that used a new design, and went on to describe its optical > advantages to his mentor, who was in his fifties or sixties. > > After a minute or so, the mentor interrupted him and said, "I see; what > you're telling me is that the lens is sharper. But does it reveal more > truth?" > > Paul Franklin Stregevsky > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > W: (703) 834-4648 > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
> Here we go again... Do you feel like sharing the reasons *why* you don't > like it, or what about it disappoints you, or are you satisfied with > coming across as a teenage flamer? As your post stands now, it's not very > useful to anyone thinking of buying an MZ-S. > > chris > I just want to say that the MZ-S is not the SLR I am stilll waiting for. I hope, even as the same cost, a body bettre than a Nikon F-100 or a EOS 3. Why ? I will answer "Why not !" (I o not want to say "for Pentax sake") I really prefer Pentax making better SLR that nowadays. But, I also understand that they may not wish to make such a SLR, because it does not fit the Pentax Traditional way of making SLR. Well, as far as I know, the Maxxum 7 is really good SLR and I am very waiting for a Pentax SLR better than the Minolta one. I really understand people who are going to buy it, and I will not say that this is a mistake as far as it is really what each one wish. But I know now that this is not the SLR I wish to buy (except as the same price as a Nikon N80 because in this case, this means I encurage Pentax to sells its stuff as low price as it is possible) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
Hello I also do, but my opinion, is that the MZ-S does not fit the purpose it has to. Because I am waiting for a better SLR, and I do believe that this will only help Pentax to built a better camera. (I also do not like Mz-S as I hold a sample for a moment) See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: vendredi 13 avril 2001 07:31 Subject: Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know > The Maxxum 7 may be a good SLR, but then you are stuck using > Minolta lenses. I use Pentax because, in part, I don't like > Minolta lenses. > William Robb > - Original Message - > From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: April 12, 2001 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know > > > > >Well, as far as I know, the Maxxum 7 is really good SLR and I > am very > > >waiting for a Pentax SLR better than the Minolta one. > > > > If a camera that fits the purpose, why care if it was better > than Minolta or > > any other brands. Besides, there are always something better > and more > > advance in the near future. > > > > regards, > > Alan Chan > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
Hello I do not like in the MZ-S: shutter only 1/180 Speed only 2.5 frames/second only 0.5IL step of correction Cannot konw if you are using spot or not, only by watching throught the viewer AF target do not light in red when the AF has stop only can change the aperture by using the ring on the lens The way of changing AF mode (lock Af taget or not and how to choose a AF target) You see, all these thing, you can find it in a Nikon F-100 or a Minolta Maxxum/Dynax 7. I use the expression sucks because I am really in anger against Pentax engineers ! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: samedi 14 avril 2001 18:17 Subject: Re: MZ-S is really sucks, now I know > > > Pentax Clover wrote: > > > I just want to say that the MZ-S is not the SLR I am stilll waiting for. > > I hope, even as the same cost, a body bettre than a Nikon F-100 or a EOS 3. > > Why ? I will answer "Why not !" > > You have yet to tell us what "better" means to you regarding the MZ-S. > Your argument (that it sucks) would hold a lot more water if you could > explain what about it sucks and what about it you would like to be better. > > -Aaron > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: : MZ-S is really sucks, now I know
Dear Paal, The MZ-S is using a brand new shutter made by SEIKO. I was not talking about the maximum speed but the maximum speed with Synchro-X. This is totally different (EOS1n and EOS 3 has 2 different shutter but the same maximum speed (1/8000 but Synchro X 1/250 for EOS1 and 1/200 for EOS 3) For the spot metering frame indicator, you may find it useless in the viewer, not me (and I know some friend who also prefer to have it inside, but it seems that you do not consider me as a photographer, that may be a little true, but remember that there is not only photographer who buys camera) It was not really difficult to put it inside, no ? When you forgot it, you forgot it, but when you remember it, it is easier to keep the eye in the viewer than to check outside, isn t it ? > Of course they can. Thats the most important market for every manufacturer. There are 10 000 000 K mount Pentax lenses out there that fit the MZ-S. Owners of these lenses are the main target for the MZ-S. Really ? Do all these people buy the MZ-S ??? I do not think so as far as they usually consider Pentax as a cheap way to make good picture, but the MZ-S is not cheap, isn t it ? > You assume that the Z-1p and the F100 are ideal cameras for everybody. They aren't. The Z-1p never sold well which proves that most Pentax users were less than impressed with it. You again assume that a camera F100 like would be perfect for everybody. I do not like the Z-1p and you can read that I prefer a Z-1n because it might be nearer of my expectations. The Nikon F-100 is a very good SLR and you know that it is very well sold. The flagship of a brand has the mission to make dream owner of the same trade. The MZ-S do not really reach this aim for me. So why do former Pentax owner change and buy a Nikon F-100 ? (I have 2 friends who did it ) Yours [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S is really good ?
Hello I was thinking about the MZ-S and I realize something : The MZ-S is perfectly good for the user who knows what he is going to get... >From my experience, we usually do not use all function of a SLR. I know that I feel needed sometimes with my MZ-3., so the MZ-S is a good SLR if I wish to replace my MZ-3. As often, there is much asked things which are not very usefull. The MZ-S is a Pentax version of a SLR which you can easily use. (as easy as a MZ-3) Of course, I am still wishing a better SLR, but I forget to mention that it is a good SLR if we know all our needs so we cannot buy it wrongly. Hoping for a new body for myself, but hoping a MZ-S for Pentax users who need it ! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really good ?
Hello Dear Doug, If you can read easily french, come on www.photim.com, and ask about clover (myself) and if he is ashame about having a Pentax.I sold my Canon (Elan II) is it not a clue to guess how important the famous of the brand is for my opinion ? I hope I keep my MZ-3, and of course I hope I could buy a MZ-S for half of his price ! I am just disappointed about its price, because for the same price, you can find a SLR which is much more better and still believe that the MZ-S only needs a feww change to be perfect for me.(few and not expensive) Even, if I change, I might buy a Minolta Maxxum/Dynax 7, because it has all the things I find missing in the MZ-S. It is not reallly much bigger neither! You know, I put Gaffer on my MZ-3 such as you cannot guess even it is a Pentax nor a new SLR. So even I own a Nikon, I will not be proud to show it because I will make it up as well Please , do not to so vexed that you cannot see what I really ask, the few change I ask can be release on a MZ-Sn. Then I will agree to pay this price. I just did not express why I stay in Pentax, so that is why some of you think I could switch for Nikon. But regard to my needs, this is easier to buy a MZ-S (much more cheaper) I understand, you just encourage me to self my MZ-3, my 35mm FA f/:2, my 43mm f/:1.9 and my 85mm FA IF f/:1.4 for others pdml members ??? 8-) See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: jeudi 19 avril 2001 06:26 Subject: Re: MZ-S is really good ? > Clover, > > Let me give you some advice, my little friend. Get rid of your MZ-3 and buy an F100. If you don't, you'll never be able to look your little Nikon buddies in the eye, because you're more worried about what they think about your camera than you are about your photographs. > > The F100 is perfect for you. It's heavy, has a lot of cool features, says Nikon on it, all the things that are important when a camera is a fashion statement. Plus, it also works pretty well as a camera, should you ever decide to take some pictures. > > I am a firm believer in comfort. That's one of the reasons I use Pentax, because the bodies I use are comfortable. It's plain you are uncomfortable using Pentax when your friends have switched to Nikon. I say, as I've said before, if the Pentax is causing you grief and shame, then trade it for something you can wear with pride. > > Let us know if you're going to sell or trade. Some folks on the list might be interested in a barely used MZ-3 and some lenses. > > Doug > > > At 1:46 AM +02004/19/01, Pentax Clover caused thus to appear: > >Hello > >I was thinking about the MZ-S and I realize something : > >The MZ-S is perfectly good for the user who knows what he is going to get... > >>From my experience, we usually do not use all function of a SLR. > >I know that I feel needed sometimes with my MZ-3., so the MZ-S is a good SLR > >if I wish to replace my MZ-3. > >As often, there is much asked things which are not very usefull. The MZ-S is > >a Pentax version of a SLR which you can easily use. (as easy as a MZ-3) > >Of course, I am still wishing a better SLR, but I forget to mention that it > >is a good SLR if we know all our needs so we cannot buy it wrongly. > >Hoping for a new body for myself, but hoping a MZ-S for Pentax users who > >need it ! > >See you > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Douglas Forrest Brewer > Ashwood Lake Photography > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.alphoto.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S is really good ?
Dear Paal, > Why do you expect Pentax to give away the MZ-S? Do you expect Nikon to reduce the F100 by 50%? > What other camera offer the MZ-S features and a fully heavy duty metal body for less cash? If Nikon makes the F-100 50% less, I also will be agree, you know ! For a less price, in France, you can get a Nikon F-90x (N-90X in US, if I remember rightly) > What camera is this? The MZ-S don't lack features. It has among the most sophisticated flash system on the planet with RTF flash synch up to 1/6000s something no other camera do. It also has a unique dataimpriniting feature far better than anything else since the data follow the picture. I thought it was up to 1/180 ! For Data printing, it is a good thing, but it is not really what I use the most. And when you use inversive mounted, you cannot read the information (whatever the system is ion the top or between the pictures) > Admittedly, if you nedd many fps the MZ-S isn't the best thing but then no Pentax are. If you really need machnegunning images the only game in town is the EOS-1v or the F5. I wonder then what you do with an MZ-3 in the first place then... Guess what I am doing with my MZ-3...? I never use AF almost of the time. Because I know it cannot allow me to do picture this way. But if I can go up to 4 or 5 fps, I may use it in a new way but also the way I am doing for the moment. I used to own a Canon ELAN II (EOS 50e), it shows that sometimes, I need such a high rate. If I buy a better SLR, is it forbidden for me to wait for such a possibility. As I say, I would buy a MZ-S if its price is lower than 933US$. At last, in France, it might be sold about 20% more than in the US. So you might understand why I find it too expensive. The problem is not only that there is some features find missed, but for the price it would be sold, it is not easy to accept this fact. If I was richer, I will buy it. But it is not my case, and not the case of most of Pentaxists, that's why I hope this change. Will you buy the MZ-S if it was sold less than the price of 999USS$ ? Yes, but you won't buy it if it was sold at 1299US$. I think Pentax could make the MZ-S a blockbuster if the price is lower or the features are enhance as I said. If you think its price is the good price, so I am wrong whatever I said. But compare to other SLR (Nikon F-90x, Minolta Maxxum7, or Dynax7, for example) I find it too expensive. Selling a SLR is not easy, that is why I hope the MZ-S will show a lower prie, in order to make new users attracked. If you prefer to stay few user of Pentax (what I could really understand, because this is a way to be different), well, I understand the MZ-S is really the perfect Pentax SLR. For the moment, I consider the MZ-S as the best SLR Pentax has ever design. BUT I also consider Pentax is able to make a much better flagship. If you also think so, I will be happy to know. See you all ! PPS: you know, ^because of writing about the MZ-S, I am thinking of buying it, even it will not match with my expectations...This is the Pentax power...8-) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Thoughts on the Sigma 70-200 f2.8 please?
Hello Have a look here ! http://www.pictchallenge.com/diabolpif/Testlf.html See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Product Quote for MZ-S
- Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" Hence, most of us should hopefully be able to get hold of one by the first half of june. > Even me ! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S : Who will be the firts owner of the MZ-S in the pdml list ?
Hi, I am just curious about this ! See You Clover _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S : Who will be the first owner of the MZ-S in the pdml list ?
Hello Sorry Who will be the "FIRST" owner of a MZ-S in this list ??? May be me ? See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Digital MZ - MR 52 projet still in the air ???
Hello One of my friend tells me that the Digital MZ shown at the PMA is no more devellop ! The projet is stopped, aborted... Does anybody know something about this ? See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital MZ - MR 52 projet still in the air ???
Hello it seems to be true, as far as the Phillips CCD is very slow to refresh itself, expensive regard to small size 6Meg. Well I hope MZ Digital will existe as soon as possible even with a smaller CCD, because it will mean that Pentax has to devellop a 17-35mm f/:2.8 zoom See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Report
Hello So I am not the only one who writes to Pentax ! Great ! I happy to read what you feel about the MZ-S. And of course, I understand the enjoyement it procures to you. As I thought, the MZ-S is mostly well knowed for its high cost, but not for it small side ! I still believe Pentax needs to make a better SLR, nearer to a F-100, but as you know, I am not here to make reproaches, but to enhance that each user has its own wishes !!! Also, I hope Pentax will make a good SLR as cheap as the Dynax Maxxum5 and better ! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mercredi 13 juin 2001 13:24 Subject: MZ-S Report > > In a message dated 6/12/01 6:18:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:20:23 -0500 Darryl Lafferty > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I happened to buy the only one in stock at Arlington Camera in Arlington, > Tx and the price was > > 899.99. The quoted price on Adorama is 849.95. I would have to disagee > about the overkill for a > > Pentax. This camera has a solid feel like on the Nikon F100 or the Contax > N1. > > Yesterday, Adorama emailed me a quote of 899.95 -- must be > inflation! >> > > REPORT: > In one word, GREAT! > Two years ago I wrote to Pentax USA & Japan telling them what I desired in a > camera. I wanted the construction of the PZ-1p; the simplicity of the ZX-5n > and a NEW, FASTER autofocus system. I wanted prudent use of battery power and > a grip that added to battery life & accepted AA Lithiums. I wanted a Contax > G2 in SLR form. Lenses & all. > I GOT IT! Limited lenses & all. > This camera is simply the best travel camera I have ever used. It is a > no-nonsense, solid, easy to operate hi-tech picture taking machine. No red > focus areas, but a system that indicates pretaking focus and confirmation of > picture taken. Fast low learning curve with 19 functions that serve you well. > This camera is made to last; serve the photographer; and be with you all the > time. > My final feelings? I ordered my second body two hours after unpacking my > first. Its not an EOS 1V, F5, F100, Max 9 or Max 7. Its a pro Pentax. Its the > one you carry, use and know it delivers. Well done Pentax. Thanks for > delivering a month before I need it in Italy. AND thank you Tamron & Sigma > for the Tamron SP 24-135 (best %^& zoom around) and the EX 24-70/2.8 to come > next week. I'll put you to good use. > Now, Pentax get those BG-10 grips and the 31/1.8 to me before July 14th. > Burt > NYC > USA > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S and More ?
Hello I ve just read reports from MZ-S owner. It seems that the SLR find easily owner in the US. Wheraas in France, everybody complain its high price. My personnal wish is that Pentax makes a better SLR at the same price of the Nikon F-100. Am I the only one in this case or most of the list will buy the MZ-S ? See you [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MZ-S and More ?
the BG-10 grip attached. > Is it true it provides a vertical shutter release? Yes and it can be use as a separate remote ! For everybody who is saying why a better SLR (as a Nikon F-100) Well, first, I am still find Pentax prices very high. I like Pentax stuff more than Sigma, as a exemple. But for now, I am using a MZ-3. I need a second SLR and wish to find something really much better than my Lovely MZ-3. All inside of a MZ-S is very good, but the difference between my MZ-3 is not very evidant ! But the price is more than twice. For such a high price, I am asking for a really good SLR. More Tropicalized (do not know is this is the right way to express it) Higher frame speed (I used to own a Canon Elann II / EOS 50e, which also has 2.5 fps and I found it not enought for my use) And much more information in the viewer (the MZ-S has less information than the PZ-1p / Z-1p) I understand this can be taken as children wishes, but I also know that this is what I need if I wish to buy an other SLR . Please, do not tell me to buy a Nikon F-100, I cannot use my favorite lens with ! But now, I am really happy to read in the list that there are people who enjoy to use a MZ-S ! I do not make reproaches for their way to buy Pentax stuff ! The better way is to know exactly what we need ! And I need a better Pentax SLR, that's all ! I also trust Pentax is capable to make it comes true ! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and More ?
> Doug Brewer wrote about the MZS and mentioned: > > the BG-10 grip attached. > Back Camera accessory Battery grip BG? 10 * Contents 35? AF single-lens reflex camera " ãã³ã¿ãã¯ã¹ MZ-S " It is the private battery pack. * Merit In being one-touch " the ãã³ã¿ãã¯ã¹ MZ-S " substance, be able to install, it is possible to supply power source. In order for operation at the time of vertical position photographing to be easy to do, the shutter button, the preview lever and the AE lock button have been provided. Approximately the remote control light absorbent section is provided for both sides. It is designed in such a way that it can hang the strap at vertical position. * Specification Power source... 4 single 3 type dry cell batteries (alkali or lithium) Size... 136? (Width) Ã36.5? (High) Ã62.5? (Thick) Mass... 185 g (classified by electric battery) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and More ?
> In your email you state "And I need a better Pentax SLR, that's all !" i > think you just need a different SLR for your needs, not necessarily better. > > Cya > Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . Of course, a different SLR, but I can fit a SLR based on a MZ-S with few modifications: 4fps 1/8000 synchro 1/250 Spot metering shown inside Easy use with only the right hand (AF change selector all near the same place, sucha a Maxxum 7, Nikon F-5, F-100 or F-80, easy to change with only changing the back) And collimators AF a little Differents (only 5 in cross and can be light in red when it is the one we use) More celled against the rain. Is it a very different SLR ??? Even it cost 1200$, I will agree to buy it _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and More ?
- Original Message - From: "Arnold Stark" > Then go ahead, sell youf FA85/f1.4, and get a N F100 plus a Nikkor 85/f1.4, > as Pentax would be nuts if they started copying other brand's cameras. You can > see from the LX, MZ-3, MZ-S and even from the Z-1P that Pentax implements their > very own camera concepts. A Pentax F100 is not going to happen, and I am glad > about that. However, if Pål is right, Pentax might make you happy with a Z-1P > successor Dear Arnold, please can you go to Boz K mount page and have a look to the picture he use for the 85mm f/:1.4 FA You can see that it is mine ! This lens has a special story and it is for me a very important lens in my path of photograph Even on my webpage, you can find its frontal lens ! http://clover.is.free.fr I am not wishing a F-100 like SLR, but same specs at least for the same price AF communtators ar very easy to use on F-100, you can understand easily why it is the same way on 3 different SLR F-80, F-100 and F-5 For my narrow mind, I need something simple as "all selector about AF has to be very close, and I do not find easy on the MZ-S" I do not wish Pentax to copy others brand, I wish them to more better ! Please, understand me that I prefer to buy a much better SLR for all my lens, and I do not find enought features in the MZ-S for its price ! At least, I am looking for where I can get one for less than 750$ in France ! If it happens, I will belong to the owner of MZ-S list Just for the Fun, If Pentax offer the Grip for the same price, how will you react ??? May be I cannot stop using my MZ-3 so I try to find argument for keeping it _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and More ?
From: "Alin Flaider" > You must be terribly unhappy with your MZ-3 - the total opposite of >the ideal camera as you describe it. If you stick with it just for >the sake of the Pentax glass... then all my respects, sir. >Otherwise do yourself a favour: stop tormenting and get >one of those Dimage ### soon to appear. Funny, I just idslike Dimage 5 or 7 . Now please remember that I am not disappointed with my MZ-3 as far as I know its limits ! I like to use it, but it get often that I need some supllied features in order to make the picture I wish, so then, I refren form trying ! In all I read about the MZ-S, and even When I try it (at last a sample) I am not satisfy . So the MZ-S appear to me as a super MZ-3, not a quite better which help me to make my MZ-3 becoming my second SLR I would buy a MZ-S if I do not own the MZ-3, but for the moment, I own it and do not want to be separate from it ! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and More ?
From: "Bucky" > And if Nikon had brought it out you'd be sneering at it, and that's a fact > too. For the love of Dog, it's only a camera. It's adequate at the price. > There are trade-offs to be had with other bodies in the price range. Dog > forbid anyone should express a preference for another brand! It's like > discussing morality with a fundie. Yes, but it is funny ! I usually try to make others photo fans understand that we can make pictures even with P&S ! And I also need to defend Pentax because in France they often say that Pentax will stop SLR soon... So here in the list, for the first time, I can discuss about some Pentax missing for my opinion ! So it is funny, and I find this funny _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and More ?
From: "Bill Owens > Other than sports photogs who MIGHT be able to justify 4fps (to my way of > thinking it just allows you to get more missed shots by letting the camera > try and find the proper moment to make the shot). Besides, I can't really > afford enough film to be able to go through a 36 exp roll in 9 seconds. It is not because you have it on the SLR that mean you need to use it all time long ! But, it makes crazy when you need it even once a year because for this day, I find it is stupid to buy or rent an other SLR just for the need of a day. Personnaly, I do not use it not because it is not avaible on my MZ-3, but if it was, I will use it with pleasure > As for sync speed, what's the practical difference between 1/8000 and > 1/6000, especially considering the flash range at those speed will be > ridiculously short. Of course it is ridiculous, but for a beginner, it is very important because he wants to own a SLR that can give lots of features for the same price. And for the moment, in France, Pentax need a blockbuster, so Pentax can be more well known _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and More ?
From: "Pål Jensen" The MZ-S is competitively priced for what it offers. But maybe this is not the most needed features for commons users. That is why it is perceived as expensive _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and More ?
From: "Pål Jensen" > I don'æt agree. I'll rather be without features I use once a year. Features cost money or have other drawbacks like higher power consumption. I like features that are being used regularly and are useful and don't want to pay for seldomly used features. Nor do I want to carry dead weight; that is features that increases thei weight but seldomly or never used. Sure, but that is your knowledge about photo, but it is the average ? > You seem to forget that small size are features as well as any and that many of us have no interest in a feature count competition. The features you mention don't do anything for me getting better images. You also seem to forget that the extra 1,5 fps rate At a speed at 1/1000s you'll gain only 1,5/1000 of the action compared to the MZ-S. You'll still miss 996/1000 of the action with 4fps compared to the MZ-S 997,5/1000 - hardly a big difference. Of course small side is important, that is why I own a MZ-3 I need to say this ! By talking about MZ-S with all the list, I get agree it is a very good SLR But, it is also a SLR with missing features for me and have extra features I do not need Second, sometimes, I do express what average people wish because the most of the sold SLR are not due to Pro but users who gets a SLR for his pleasure, his proud ! Not his use in photography My point of vue is that the MZ-S is a very good SLR, but compare to my MZ-3, it is very expensive (I paid my MZ-3 its half price) So there is some difficulties I need to fight in order to realize how much the MZ-S is a SLR I need. At last, I go on hoping Pentax makes a F-100 like (remember a PZ-1p is quite as big) Also Hope my Bank will not call me because of buying the MZ-S _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax - better or not?
Hello here is the answer a friend of mine wish to tell you about minolta : MINOLTA n'utilise pas, comme le prétend ton interlocuteur de "base de données" pour la détermination de l'expo. Celle ci se fait, depuis le 7 xi, par le système fuzzy logic, "logique floue" en Français. Chaque paramètre de la prise de vue est analysé par l'appareil qui après de savants calculs en déduit le type de scène à laquelle il a affaire. Exemple grossier : focale courte, mise au point sur l'infini, premier plan présent = paysage. C'est très succint comme exemple car il y a en réalité plusieurs centaines de données analysées, mais en aucun cas une comparaison avec un stock de scènes en mémoire dans l'appareil. In english with babel : MINOLTA does not use, as claims it your interlocutor of " data base " for the determination of the expo. That Ci is done, since the 7 xi, by the system fuzzy logic, " fuzzy logic " in French. Each parameter of the catch of sight is analyzed by the apparatus which afterwards of scientists calculations deduces the type from it of scene to which it deals. Coarse example: short focal distance, developed on the infinite one, foreground present = landscape. It is very succint like example because there are actually several hundreds of analyzed data, but to in no case a comparison with a stock of scenes in memory in the apparatus. See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
Hello And after this analysis, you want me to say that the Pentax MZ-S worth its price ??? Of course it worth but what I mean is that the SLR will be more successful if it was sold at 799$ as a regular price !!! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: dimanche 17 juin 2001 14:18 Subject: MZ-S Price Stabilization ??? > B&H in NYC originally listed the MZ-S for $999.95. Friday they had a > one-day special price of $799.95. And today if you click on the MZ-S more > info button they list a price of $899.95. > Adorama originally had a special unlisted price of $849.95. They still > don't list an official price, but if you request a quote they too are quoting > a $899.95 sale price. > So it appears if you want an MZ-S in the near future it will cost you > $899.95. Of course, neither B&H or Adorama currently have the MZ-S in stock. > It will be interesting to see if the cost drops again once the camera is > actually available. > The reaction to the $799.95 "special sale price" indicates there is a > definite market for the MZ-S at that price range. So a "regular sale price" > of $849.95 to $899.95 would appear to be where we're heading. > Alexander Grigolia > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S; First impression
Hello Everybody guess what I gonna buy tomorrow !!! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S; First impression
Hello All wrong, I bought nothing today because the MZ-S is not avaible again in France ... But, as Obiwan said to Luke: Patience, patience, Use the fork... 8-) See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S; First impression
From: "Rob Brigham" > What made you change your mind PentaxClover? > > What finally sold it to you? > > Or did you just say 'what the heck...' > > Rob Brigham In fact, I am not very satisfy with my MZ-3, so I wish to buy the MZ-S to replace it !!! I am working on a bargain, but for the moment, the SLR is not avaible in France. My MZ-3 is going to be used as a P&S, so I will not mind what can happen to it !!! GEEE 8-) PS: Still waiting for a better SLR also _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Standard lens - 35 mm vs 50mm
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Just Curious! How many of you use 35 mm lens as a standard lens instead of 50 mm lens? Since I bought FA 35 f2.0, I have used this lens more often than FA 50 mm f1.7 lens. With thanks Me too, I use the 35mm more than the 43mm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Old vs new...
From: "Artur Ledóchowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Old vs new... > Hi, > Being on the used equipment market I had the chance to see a lot of older > Pentax (and non-Pentax) lenses: Takumars, M's and A's. Most of them are of > course primes, although some zooms appeared too. I bought two in the last > two months: SMC M 50mm/f2 and SMC A 28mm/f2,8. Gee, what a different "touch" > they have, comparing to the contemporary plastic stuff. They look solid, > professional, elegant, serious... perhaps "classic" is the right word... > Nowadays consumer grade lenses look like toys - very fragile, light (too > light?) etc... I don't especially like the construction of the FA lenses - > my 80-200/f4,7-5,6, although optically very good, seems so fragile, that I > have constant, subconscious fear of breaking it... > Those old lenses have such a "feeling", that I cought myself holding them > for just a pleasure of... holding:)) Seems like I've got some collector > tendencies... > Greetz So limied lens made for you !!! But also try 24mm f/:2 or 85mm f/:1.4 or any "Star" lens. It is really different feeling _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
New Lens ???
Hello Does anybody heard something about a 17-35mm f/:2.8 FA ??? And about stabilisation or silent wave ??? And do you think it is going to be released a new 80-200mm f/:2.8, cheaper, without power zoom ??? Last: How can we write to Japanese Pentax engineers ? I hope to ask them to release some lens I feel missing Thanks See you [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Lens ???
Hello I really hope for a 17-35mm f/:2.8, not because of digital but because it will be great. Action picture for news papers (reporting) need to change easily the range and have great aperture. REmember, Minolta has a 17-35mm f/:3.5 and no Digital SLR. Some friend s of mine tell that using these 3 lens : 17-35mm f/:2.8, 28-70mm f::2.8 and 80-200mm f/:2.8, will be the most use for professionnal use. Even a 400mm f/:2.8 in FA version And when Pentax will make converteers with AF connection ? By the way, do you know that the USM using by Xanon is licenced by Nikon ??? Funny isn t it ?See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Frits J. Wüthrich To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: lundi 2 juillet 2001 22:24 Subject: RE: New Lens ??? I think it is up to marketing of Pentax, not their engineers to decide what models they will release (develop). What lenses do you feel are missing? Frits Does anybody heard something about a 17-35mm f/:2.8 FA ??? And about stabilisation or silent wave ??? And do you think it is going to be released a new 80-200mm f/:2.8, cheaper, without power zoom ??? Last: How can we write to Japanese Pentax engineers ? I hope to ask them to release some lens I feel missing Thanks See you [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Z-1 and stuff
Hello I am also looking for selling Pentax stuff: Z-1 Special edition and 28-70mm f/:2..8 FA for about 720$ 500FTZ about 120$ Someone interested ? See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Users Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mercredi 4 juillet 2001 01:46 Subject: Z-1 and stuff > == Not sure this made it out so I'm reposting. If it did, sorry for the dupe. == > = > > I've got a few things I'm going to sell on eBay, but wanted to give the list members first shot. > > > Pentax Z-1 with Grip Strap and manual (PZ-1) with box in EX+ condition (KEH) - $350.00 > > Pentax SMC 28-80 Power Zoom in LN- condition (KEH) - $75.00 > > Pentax P30t with SMC-A 50mm f/2 in EX+ condition (KEH) - $95.00 > > > The above prices are plus shipping and insurance via USPS Priority Mail. > > I can accept money orders, cashiers check or PayPal. > > > If interested, please contact me OFF-LIST at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thanks! > > > > > Later, > Gary > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page
Hello The MZ-5n is in fact the ZX-5n as far as in Japan, there used to sell only MZ-3 Sorry for the surprise See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: jeudi 5 juillet 2001 21:45 Subject: New MZ-5n On Pentax Japan Home Page > Another MZ series camera! The Pentax Japan Home Page has just > introduced the new Pentax MZ-5n. If any Japanese linguists could translate > we greatly appreciate it. > The item is list under New Products with a July 5th date! The camera > has an all black body! And it does NOT have the slanted top of the MZ-S. > Alexander Grigolia > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S, I need more ....
Hello Well, I really feel excited because I really want Pentax to make a new Flagship in a very short time I find the MZ-S quite cute, but, this is not the way I think people buy their stuff . I know exactly what the MZ-S worth, I will buy as cheap as possible But I really need MZ-Sn or a PZ/Z-1n I am drawing some plans and send all to Pentax...Did someone already do it before ??? See you Thanks for private Mail, to write me to this Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S, I need more ....
It is not a joke ! I already send a suggestion for a PZ/Z-1n...2 years ago and I know that the Japanese team receive it. So I am working on a new SLR, MZ-Sn, with few changes and real replacer for the Z-1 Anybody want to play the same game ??? - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mardi 17 juillet 2001 14:47 Subject: Re: MZ-S, I need more > Just buy a scratch sticker and print a small 'n' next to the 'S' will do. > > regards, > Alan Chan > > >Custom made cameras > > > > This is a joke. Right? > > > > > Hello > > > > Well, I really feel excited because I really want Pentax to make a new > > > > Flagship in a very short time > > > > I find the MZ-S quite cute, but, this is not the way I think people > >buy > > > > their stuff . > > > > I know exactly what the MZ-S worth, I will buy as cheap as possible > > > > But I really need MZ-Sn or a PZ/Z-1n > > > > I am drawing some plans and send all to Pentax...Did someone already > >do > >it > > > > before ??? > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Purchase dilemma
Hello please, forget the Tokina. One of my friend told me that it is a 80-200mm f/:3.5 in fact (comparing it with nikon one) There is a Sigma 70-200mm f/:2.8 EX not as well built, but seems to be a best lens formula and cheaper Best is the Pentax one, but too expensive, buying it new... Why not buying the Pentax 200mm f/:2.8 ??? MZ-S is not the perfect body I am waiting for, but more like a super MZ-3n... See you Thanks for private Mail, to write me to this Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax level of price in Japan
Hello can every body go there to read ? http://www.photim.net/nci/discu.php3?code=20010719235750clover You can understand that the 24-90 is quite cheaper than outside of Japan, why ??? See you Thanks for private Mail, to write me to this Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax level of price in Japan
Sorry, wrong link : this one is the good one : http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/product/lense/35mmlist.html - Original Message - From: "Pentax Clover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: vendredi 20 juillet 2001 00:06 Subject: Pentax level of price in Japan > Hello > can every body go there to read ? > http://www.photim.net/nci/discu.php3?code=20010719235750clover > You can understand that the 24-90 is quite cheaper than outside of Japan, > why ??? > See you > Thanks for private Mail, to write me to this Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax LX with AF!!!!!!!!
But why not making a updated version of the Z-1p/PZ-1p ?? Let's call it LZ-1 : LX built and ergonomy with Z-1p shutter and MZ-S new adds on... Who wants one for Christmas ??? Seriously, is there any thing real about a new SLR untill the falling year ??? I think that there is only the MR-52, not you ??? See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bokeh examples of FA 77/1.9 Ltd. and FA* 85/1.4
Very interesting... Thanks a lot - Original Message - From: "Maggie Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mardi 24 juillet 2001 07:31 Subject: Bokeh examples of FA 77/1.9 Ltd. and FA* 85/1.4 > This site includes several portraits taken with various lenses including the > FA*85 and the FA77 Ltd. Apparently, the portraits were shot on the same day, > at the same location, of one model and on one film. > > http://www.t3.rim.or.jp/~azuma/html/camera/lenses_test/001123/wakana.html > > Those of you who need a quick comparison might just look at these two > examples: > > For the FA*85/1.4 > http://www.t3.rim.or.jp/~azuma/html/camera/lenses_test/001123/wakana.html > > For the FA77/1.8 Limited: > http://www.t3.rim.or.jp/~azuma/html/camera/lenses_test/001123/wakana.html > > Brian Walsh > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Your "No Fat" Pentax Outfit
In my dreams : MZ-S with 31mm, 43mm and 77mm Limited In reality MZ-3 35mm f/:2, that's all _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZS remote
Maybe this is the same remote than the MZ-7/ XZ-7, you can order it more easily (IR remote I am talking about) - Original Message - From: Mike To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: samedi 28 juillet 2001 03:59 Subject: MZS remote Does anyone know where I can order the remote shutter release for the MZ-S? I did notice that the remote for the Pentax 90WR "point and shoot" works on the MZ-S, but my wife uses that camera and said I couldn't have the remote. After buying the MZ-S I'm not in a position to be asking any favors from her for a few months anyway. P.S. The MZ-S is one fine camera and worth a few months of "cold beans and hot tongue" from my wife. Thanks, -=Mike=-In the Pacific Northwet
Re: The MZ-S; a batteryholic?
I also notice that the lack of vibration is better than a MZ-3, but, I also use a Nikon F-100, and find it terribily calm...and much less louder...becuse it is big and has coreless motors Clover Still waiting for a MZ-Sn - Original Message - From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: jeudi 9 août 2001 22:27 Subject: Re: The MZ-S; a batteryholic? > Max wrote: > > > But on the positive side, I must say the camera is a delight to use. > > The complete lack of shutter vibration that Pal mentioned earlier is just > > amazing, and instantly relegates the Z1-p to the obsolete category. > > It's that good! > > > It is. The lack of vibration, which really makes a difference with super telephotos, and the much better viewfinder made me sell of my Z-1p. I can't focus the 600/4 + the 2X-L converter with the Z-1p. With the MZ-S its no problem in daylight and this made me decide to keep my 2X-L converter. I shot some more black guillemots today with this combo and I had no problem. Unfortunately, I punctured my Zodiac :-( > > > > What I don't like is not being able to use it with my AF500FTZ and > > dial in the flash compensation. > > > Turn the command dial so that you go into manual mode. Dial in exposure compensation. Then you have flash compensation. When finished, press the green button and reset compensation. > > > Pål > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: confession
So thank to all your family...I hope one day, I could live such an instant !!! But, I already own a 85mm f::1.4...Sad , isn t it ??? Not really...Only a choice Happy birthday Dan - Original Message - From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: jeudi 9 août 2001 22:11 Subject: confession > Hi All, > > My lovely wife and son handed me a small box on my birthday, inside was a > green leather bag holding a new 77/1.8 ltd. > > Yes, I am embarassed to have whined on the list about spending money on new > floors for our home--and--I'm really glad it was y'all I was carping to > instead of my wife. > > Dan Scott (doing the happy dance) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S n or p ???
Hello I only wish to shout once more that I really wish Pentax to make a Much better SLR than the MZ-S... Please give me a chance to see a MZ-Sn with some change as the PZ-1/Z-1 and the PZ-1p/Z-1p, or the MZ-5 and the MZ-5n... See youThanks for private Mail, to write me to this Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: I know, I am repeating myself...but this is really I think Pentax needs to do in order to go on making us dream and hopefull with the K bayonet
Re: MZ-S n or p ???
I have rent a MZ-S for a Week end, this is a handsome SLR, but there are some details that can be change to make it better, silencer, more information in the viewer (spot, program, manual mode etc...) I really find the MZ-S like a MZ-3 in limited version...Enought for average use, can be better SLR, few things to change (like changes between a 100mm f/:2.8 SMC F Macro and the FA version !) - Original Message - From: Michael Perham To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vendredi 10 août 2001 02:06 Subject: Re: MZ-S n or p ??? Pentax Clover wrote: HelloI only wish to shout once more that I really wish Pentax to make a Much better SLR than the MZ-S...Have you any experience with the MS-S? What more do you want.. 10 FPS; who really uses 10 FPS? Mike.
Z-1 for sale
Hello One of my friend ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )wish to sell two Z-1, one with date back... Both will come back for Pentax revision Price is about 1200-1500FF (= 182.939 to = 228.674 Euro ) See youThanks for private Mail, to write me to this Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
