Re: Angry glitz chicken
It looks good on my computer, maybe a touch dark for my taste, but certainly within the range of what is good. My phone must have been having a tantrum! > On Jul 5, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Alan C wrote: > > Looks fine to me. > > Alan C > > On 04-Jul-23 05:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 6:12 AM, Comcast wrote: >>> >>> Very dark. Is this right out of camera or phone? >> Thanks for the feedback, no it isn’t “right out of the camera”, according to >> Lightroom I did darken it 1 stop. Going back to it, it looks fine on my >> phone, fine when large on my computer monitor, and maybe a touch dark at >> small size on my monitor. >> >> I’m curious what other people think about this, and the exposure of other >> photos that I’ve processed lately. >> >>> Paul >>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 3:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote: We’ve got some feral glitz chickens in the neighborhood. One was hanging out in the shade in our front yard yesterday when I had my camera ready to get some pictures of mombird and her nest. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53020903352/in/album-72177720309537234/ full set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309537234 As an aside, I don’t think I posted these. Some little bird made a nest in the light sconce right outside the back/dining room door. Mombird flies away anytime we walk out the door, so while she was gone I snapped a couple frames of the eggs with the DA35 macro. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309489827 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est >> >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
Looks fine to me. Alan C On 04-Jul-23 05:43 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jul 4, 2023, at 6:12 AM, Comcast wrote: Very dark. Is this right out of camera or phone? Thanks for the feedback, no it isn’t “right out of the camera”, according to Lightroom I did darken it 1 stop. Going back to it, it looks fine on my phone, fine when large on my computer monitor, and maybe a touch dark at small size on my monitor. I’m curious what other people think about this, and the exposure of other photos that I’ve processed lately. Paul On Jul 4, 2023, at 3:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote: We’ve got some feral glitz chickens in the neighborhood. One was hanging out in the shade in our front yard yesterday when I had my camera ready to get some pictures of mombird and her nest. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53020903352/in/album-72177720309537234/ full set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309537234 As an aside, I don’t think I posted these. Some little bird made a nest in the light sconce right outside the back/dining room door. Mombird flies away anytime we walk out the door, so while she was gone I snapped a couple frames of the eggs with the DA35 macro. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309489827 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
A colorful crew! > On Jul 5, 2023, at 10:10 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > NOt so crappy.. I love the one of the two"gentlemen callers" at your (or a > neighbors?) front door. > > ann > > On 7/4/2023 2:40 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: >> OT, because these are just crappy phone pics, but we also have glitz >> chickens dropping by our house fairly often (and we live in a typical >> suburban neighborhood - no idea where they normally hang out). They’ll come >> right up to the front door. >> >> Also, we had a little momma bird build a nest in one of the folds of the >> curtains in our shade structure and was able to snap a couple of pics of the >> eggs and the resulting babies. >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/85294514@N00/albums/72177720309539607 >> >> - Marco >> >>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 10:30 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 9:59 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: You gave your mom bird a nice place to nest! can't tell who shes is I'm thinking a finch of some sort.. >>> It's small, maybe when she's out of the nest I'll mount a mirror that'll >>> give me a better angle to photograph her. >>> as to exposure on the peacock looks ok to me.. on my HP desktop.. and Paul's birdies in trees lately have been a bit on the too light side. Which makes me a tad concerned about his eyes. >>> Or maybe just his monitor. Although, the image is arguably a little on the >>> dark side. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen >>> l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est >>> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > ann sanfedele photography > https://annsan.smugmug.com > https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts > https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan > https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
NOt so crappy.. I love the one of the two"gentlemen callers" at your (or a neighbors?) front door. ann On 7/4/2023 2:40 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: OT, because these are just crappy phone pics, but we also have glitz chickens dropping by our house fairly often (and we live in a typical suburban neighborhood - no idea where they normally hang out). They’ll come right up to the front door. Also, we had a little momma bird build a nest in one of the folds of the curtains in our shade structure and was able to snap a couple of pics of the eggs and the resulting babies. https://www.flickr.com/photos/85294514@N00/albums/72177720309539607 - Marco On Jul 4, 2023, at 10:30 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jul 4, 2023, at 9:59 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: You gave your mom bird a nice place to nest! can't tell who shes is I'm thinking a finch of some sort.. It's small, maybe when she's out of the nest I'll mount a mirror that'll give me a better angle to photograph her. as to exposure on the peacock looks ok to me.. on my HP desktop.. and Paul's birdies in trees lately have been a bit on the too light side. Which makes me a tad concerned about his eyes. Or maybe just his monitor. Although, the image is arguably a little on the dark side. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
OT, because these are just crappy phone pics, but we also have glitz chickens dropping by our house fairly often (and we live in a typical suburban neighborhood - no idea where they normally hang out). They’ll come right up to the front door. Also, we had a little momma bird build a nest in one of the folds of the curtains in our shade structure and was able to snap a couple of pics of the eggs and the resulting babies. https://www.flickr.com/photos/85294514@N00/albums/72177720309539607 - Marco > On Jul 4, 2023, at 10:30 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Jul 4, 2023, at 9:59 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: >> >> You gave your mom bird a nice place to nest! can't tell who shes is I'm >> thinking a finch of some sort.. > > It's small, maybe when she's out of the nest I'll mount a mirror that'll give > me a better angle to photograph her. > >> >> as to exposure on the peacock looks ok to me.. on my HP desktop.. >> >> and Paul's birdies in trees lately have been a bit on the too light side. >> Which makes me a tad concerned about his eyes. > > Or maybe just his monitor. Although, the image is arguably a little on the > dark side. > > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
> On Jul 4, 2023, at 9:59 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > You gave your mom bird a nice place to nest! can't tell who shes is I'm > thinking a finch of some sort.. It's small, maybe when she's out of the nest I'll mount a mirror that'll give me a better angle to photograph her. > > as to exposure on the peacock looks ok to me.. on my HP desktop.. > > and Paul's birdies in trees lately have been a bit on the too light side. > Which makes me a tad concerned about his eyes. Or maybe just his monitor. Although, the image is arguably a little on the dark side. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
You gave your mom bird a nice place to nest! can't tell who shes is I'm thinking a finch of some sort.. as to exposure on the peacock looks ok to me.. on my HP desktop.. and Paul's birdies in trees lately have been a bit on the too light side. Which makes me a tad concerned about his eyes. ann On 7/4/2023 11:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jul 4, 2023, at 6:12 AM, Comcast wrote: Very dark. Is this right out of camera or phone? Thanks for the feedback, no it isn’t “right out of the camera”, according to Lightroom I did darken it 1 stop. Going back to it, it looks fine on my phone, fine when large on my computer monitor, and maybe a touch dark at small size on my monitor. I’m curious what other people think about this, and the exposure of other photos that I’ve processed lately. Paul On Jul 4, 2023, at 3:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote: We’ve got some feral glitz chickens in the neighborhood. One was hanging out in the shade in our front yard yesterday when I had my camera ready to get some pictures of mombird and her nest. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53020903352/in/album-72177720309537234/ full set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309537234 As an aside, I don’t think I posted these. Some little bird made a nest in the light sconce right outside the back/dining room door. Mombird flies away anytime we walk out the door, so while she was gone I snapped a couple frames of the eggs with the DA35 macro. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309489827 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
Larry, I like these pics! I’ve never seen peacocks this close-up, and so haven’t appreciated the details of their colors. The exposure is tricky, as the bird is dark-colored and there is dappled sunlight. I imagine that you already did what you could with the exposure sliders in LR. A friend suggested using the “dehaze” slider for scenes with uneven exposure, and that tool has become one of my faves. Rick > On Jul 4, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Jul 4, 2023, at 6:12 AM, Comcast wrote: >> >> Very dark. Is this right out of camera or phone? > > Thanks for the feedback, no it isn’t “right out of the camera”, according to > Lightroom I did darken it 1 stop. Going back to it, it looks fine on my > phone, fine when large on my computer monitor, and maybe a touch dark at > small size on my monitor. > > I’m curious what other people think about this, and the exposure of other > photos that I’ve processed lately. > >> >> Paul >> >>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 3:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> We’ve got some feral glitz chickens in the neighborhood. One was hanging >>> out in the shade in our front yard yesterday when I had my camera ready to >>> get some pictures of mombird and her nest. >>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53020903352/in/album-72177720309537234/ >>> >>> full set >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309537234 >>> >>> As an aside, I don’t think I posted these. Some little bird made a nest in >>> the light sconce right outside the back/dining room door. Mombird flies >>> away anytime we walk out the door, so while she was gone I snapped a couple >>> frames of the eggs with the DA35 macro. >>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309489827 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen >>> l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est > > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
> On Jul 4, 2023, at 6:12 AM, Comcast wrote: > > Very dark. Is this right out of camera or phone? Thanks for the feedback, no it isn’t “right out of the camera”, according to Lightroom I did darken it 1 stop. Going back to it, it looks fine on my phone, fine when large on my computer monitor, and maybe a touch dark at small size on my monitor. I’m curious what other people think about this, and the exposure of other photos that I’ve processed lately. > > Paul > >> On Jul 4, 2023, at 3:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> We’ve got some feral glitz chickens in the neighborhood. One was hanging >> out in the shade in our front yard yesterday when I had my camera ready to >> get some pictures of mombird and her nest. >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53020903352/in/album-72177720309537234/ >> >> full set >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309537234 >> >> As an aside, I don’t think I posted these. Some little bird made a nest in >> the light sconce right outside the back/dining room door. Mombird flies away >> anytime we walk out the door, so while she was gone I snapped a couple >> frames of the eggs with the DA35 macro. >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309489827 >> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen >> l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est >> >> >> >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
Very dark. Is this right out of camera or phone? Paul > On Jul 4, 2023, at 3:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > We’ve got some feral glitz chickens in the neighborhood. One was hanging > out in the shade in our front yard yesterday when I had my camera ready to > get some pictures of mombird and her nest. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53020903352/in/album-72177720309537234/ > > full set > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309537234 > > As an aside, I don’t think I posted these. Some little bird made a nest in > the light sconce right outside the back/dining room door. Mombird flies away > anytime we walk out the door, so while she was gone I snapped a couple frames > of the eggs with the DA35 macro. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309489827 > > > -- > Larry Colen > l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est > > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
> On Jul 4, 2023, at 12:20 AM, Alan C wrote: > > Do you call Peacocks "Glitz Chickens" over there? That’s just something that I made up this weekend. > Amazed they are feral. There are a few in the neighborhood, they’re even noisier than the mourning doves. > BTW, I see there are also chicken/peacock hybrids in existence! Interesting, that just cost me a few minutes spent on google-fu -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Angry glitz chicken
Do you call Peacocks "Glitz Chickens" over there? Amazed they are feral. BTW, I see there are also chicken/peacock hybrids in existence! Alan C On 04-Jul-23 09:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote: We’ve got some feral glitz chickens in the neighborhood. One was hanging out in the shade in our front yard yesterday when I had my camera ready to get some pictures of mombird and her nest. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53020903352/in/album-72177720309537234/ full set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309537234 As an aside, I don’t think I posted these. Some little bird made a nest in the light sconce right outside the back/dining room door. Mombird flies away anytime we walk out the door, so while she was gone I snapped a couple frames of the eggs with the DA35 macro. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309489827 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Angry glitz chicken
We’ve got some feral glitz chickens in the neighborhood. One was hanging out in the shade in our front yard yesterday when I had my camera ready to get some pictures of mombird and her nest. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/53020903352/in/album-72177720309537234/ full set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309537234 As an aside, I don’t think I posted these. Some little bird made a nest in the light sconce right outside the back/dining room door. Mombird flies away anytime we walk out the door, so while she was gone I snapped a couple frames of the eggs with the DA35 macro. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72177720309489827 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
On 12/5/18, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: > I >was tempted to make a joke about carrion luggage, but surprisingly I had >the decency to spare folks from such a pun Oh mate that would have amassed more posts than than a mexican fence -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
Alan C wrote: Well caught, Larry. Its beauty is in in its ugliness. Could be in my Thanks Alan, Igor Dale, Cotty and all who looked. backyard. That's the sort of scene I hope for in Kruger but it rarely find it. Perhaps the K5/Sigma 170-500 "Minima" will give more scope? Same magnification as the 50-500 on the K-3, but it could be better image quality. Alan C -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: 12 May, 2018 11:21 PM To: Pentax-Discuss List Subject: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm I was driving to lunch yesterday and saw this really ugly chicken by the side of the road eating a huge worm. I got a couple of photos of it with my 28-75 before a motorcycle drove past and scared it away https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42021343122/in/album-72157668896223998/ I was able to get my K-3+bigma out of the back of my van and got some photos of it's friend sitting on the airport fence, for those interested in the whole set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668896223998 I'm afraid that combination did not work so well for birds in flight, part of it seems to be CA, but I also had some focus issues. I also had some issues with the K-3 focusing on the barbed wire rather than the eye, possibly exacerbated by my not being as careful with focus points, and not stopping down as much as I should have, for such a sunny day. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
Well caught, Larry. Its beauty is in in its ugliness. Could be in my backyard. That's the sort of scene I hope for in Kruger but it rarely find it. Perhaps the K5/Sigma 170-500 "Minima" will give more scope? Alan C -Original Message- From: Larry Colen Sent: 12 May, 2018 11:21 PM To: Pentax-Discuss List Subject: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm I was driving to lunch yesterday and saw this really ugly chicken by the side of the road eating a huge worm. I got a couple of photos of it with my 28-75 before a motorcycle drove past and scared it away https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42021343122/in/album-72157668896223998/ I was able to get my K-3+bigma out of the back of my van and got some photos of it's friend sitting on the airport fence, for those interested in the whole set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668896223998 I'm afraid that combination did not work so well for birds in flight, part of it seems to be CA, but I also had some focus issues. I also had some issues with the K-3 focusing on the barbed wire rather than the eye, possibly exacerbated by my not being as careful with focus points, and not stopping down as much as I should have, for such a sunny day. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
Nope, he was larrying. ;-) Igor PS. Dale, you are not the only who appreciates Larry's humor. Many PDMLers have nerdy sense of humor, but most don't bite. Dale H. Cook Sat, 12 May 2018 16:42:07 -0700 wrote: At 07:22 PM 5/12/2018, Jack Davis wrote: That "ugly chicken" is a Turkey Vulture, Larry. Larry was joshing - the Flickr set is labeled "Vultures." I for one appreciate his humor. Dale H. Cook, 50+ years as an SLR photographer, Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm lens, using colored filters for B&W gravestone photography -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
...and thanks for that! J Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > Jack Davis wrote: >> That "ugly chicken" is a Turkey >> Vulture, Larry. > > Yes, that was the joke. Although, since it was taken at the airport, I was > tempted to make a joke about carrion luggage, but surprisingly I had the > decency to spare folks from such a pun. > >> They ride the CA sky thermals >> continuously searching for road >> kills. > > Yup, and very attractive from that distance. They're a lot easier to > photograph than our local hawks which tend to fly a lot faster and are gone > before I can get a decent photo. > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
At 07:22 PM 5/12/2018, Jack Davis wrote: >That "ugly chicken" is a Turkey Vulture, Larry. Larry was joshing - the Flickr set is labeled "Vultures." I for one appreciate his humor. Dale H. Cook, 50+ years as an SLR photographer, Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm lens, using colored filters for B&W gravestone photography -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
Jack Davis wrote: That "ugly chicken" is a Turkey Vulture, Larry. Yes, that was the joke. Although, since it was taken at the airport, I was tempted to make a joke about carrion luggage, but surprisingly I had the decency to spare folks from such a pun. They ride the CA sky thermals continuously searching for road kills. Yup, and very attractive from that distance. They're a lot easier to photograph than our local hawks which tend to fly a lot faster and are gone before I can get a decent photo. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
That "ugly chicken" is a Turkey Vulture, Larry. They ride the CA sky thermals continuously searching for road kills. J Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2018, at 2:52 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 12/5/18, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I was driving to lunch yesterday and saw this really ugly chicken by the >> side of the road eating a huge worm. I got a couple of photos of it with >> my 28-75 before a motorcycle drove past and scared it away >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42021343122/in/album-72157668896223998/ > > The hell is that? Surely a snake? > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and > || (O) |Live Broadcast News > -- > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
Steve Cottrell wrote: On 12/5/18, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: I was driving to lunch yesterday and saw this really ugly chicken by the side of the road eating a huge worm. I got a couple of photos of it with my 28-75 before a motorcycle drove past and scared it away https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42021343122/in/album-72157668896223998/ The hell is that? Surely a snake? I'm pretty sure it's a snake, in retrospect I could have gone and looked more closely once they had both flown away. From what I can tell, I'd guess it was a gopher snake. The grass looks fairly freshly mown so that's probably what killed it. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
On 12/5/18, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >I was driving to lunch yesterday and saw this really ugly chicken by the >side of the road eating a huge worm. I got a couple of photos of it with >my 28-75 before a motorcycle drove past and scared it away > >https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42021343122/in/album-72157668896223998/ The hell is that? Surely a snake? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
On 12/5/18, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >I was able to get my K-3+bigma out of the back of my van and got some >photos of it's friend sitting on the airport fence, for those interested >in the whole set > >https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668896223998 I spent some time but still can't decide between 44803 and 44807. (for the avoidance of doubt, that was my attempt at humour, by the way) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: LOL! Nice capture Larry! Thanks. Many of my best photos are a direct result of always having a camera handy. Putting the case with the K-3/bigma in the van on my way to work was a last moment decision yesterday, but I keep seeing a lot of cook birds near the jobsite. I actually got a pretty good photo of a junco last week, using my cell phone. I didn't have time (being at work at a construction site) to grab a real camera, but the bird was really bold and I could get as close as about 5 feet from it and had to get the shot just because I could. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I was driving to lunch yesterday and saw this really ugly chicken by the side of the road eating a huge worm. I got a couple of photos of it with my 28-75 before a motorcycle drove past and scared it away https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42021343122/in/album- 72157668896223998/ I was able to get my K-3+bigma out of the back of my van and got some photos of it's friend sitting on the airport fence, for those interested in the whole set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668896223998 I'm afraid that combination did not work so well for birds in flight, part of it seems to be CA, but I also had some focus issues. I also had some issues with the K-3 focusing on the barbed wire rather than the eye, possibly exacerbated by my not being as careful with focus points, and not stopping down as much as I should have, for such a sunny day. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
LOL! Nice capture Larry! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > I was driving to lunch yesterday and saw this really ugly chicken by the > side of the road eating a huge worm. I got a couple of photos of it with my > 28-75 before a motorcycle drove past and scared it away > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42021343122/in/album- > 72157668896223998/ > > I was able to get my K-3+bigma out of the back of my van and got some > photos of it's friend sitting on the airport fence, for those interested in > the whole set > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668896223998 > > I'm afraid that combination did not work so well for birds in flight, part > of it seems to be CA, but I also had some focus issues. I also had some > issues with the K-3 focusing on the barbed wire rather than the eye, > possibly exacerbated by my not being as careful with focus points, and not > stopping down as much as I should have, for such a sunny day. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO Really ugly chicken eating a huge worm
I was driving to lunch yesterday and saw this really ugly chicken by the side of the road eating a huge worm. I got a couple of photos of it with my 28-75 before a motorcycle drove past and scared it away https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/42021343122/in/album-72157668896223998/ I was able to get my K-3+bigma out of the back of my van and got some photos of it's friend sitting on the airport fence, for those interested in the whole set https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157668896223998 I'm afraid that combination did not work so well for birds in flight, part of it seems to be CA, but I also had some focus issues. I also had some issues with the K-3 focusing on the barbed wire rather than the eye, possibly exacerbated by my not being as careful with focus points, and not stopping down as much as I should have, for such a sunny day. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Chicken hot on the grill.
Agree! Color would sort out my visual wad. J Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:24 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > Oddly, I think I'd like to see this in color... > > ann > > >> On 7/26/2016 9:29 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: >> Just a bit of whimsy, someone else is responsible for... >> >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20chickenhotonthegrill.html >> >> >> Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/Sigma Zoom 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 UC-II >> >> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Chicken hot on the grill.
Oddly, I think I'd like to see this in color... ann On 7/26/2016 9:29 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Just a bit of whimsy, someone else is responsible for... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20chickenhotonthegrill.html Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/Sigma Zoom 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 UC-II As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Chicken hot on the grill.
Just a bit of whimsy, someone else is responsible for... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20chickenhotonthegrill.html Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/Sigma Zoom 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 UC-II As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
Glad I finally took a look at this striking image on my computer. Squinted at it earlier on my phone. Beautiful quality, highly detailed image. J - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 6:21:53 PM Subject: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we liked her hair so I took her photo: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all vegans. Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
I'm compelled to like this because I have impeccable taste. On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 1:47 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > well i wasn't going to say great chicken, that would have been just > plain silly.:-) > > Dave > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Knarf wrote: >> Whatever the reason, I'm glad you like it, David. >> >> ;-) >> >> Thanks! >> >> cheers, >> >> frank >> >> On 28 July, 2015 1:07:36 AM EDT, David Mann wrote: >>>I’m compelled to like this because red & black are Canterbury colours. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Dave >>> >>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 1:21 pm, frank theriault >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we >>>> liked her hair so I took her photo: >>>> >>>> >>>http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html >>>> >>>> I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all >>>vegans. >>>> >>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> frank >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>and follow the directions. >>> >>> >>>-- >>>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>PDML@pdml.net >>>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>follow the directions. >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
well i wasn't going to say great chicken, that would have been just plain silly.:-) Dave On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Knarf wrote: > Whatever the reason, I'm glad you like it, David. > > ;-) > > Thanks! > > cheers, > > frank > > On 28 July, 2015 1:07:36 AM EDT, David Mann wrote: >>I’m compelled to like this because red & black are Canterbury colours. >> >>Cheers, >>Dave >> >>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 1:21 pm, frank theriault >> wrote: >>> >>> My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we >>> liked her hair so I took her photo: >>> >>> >>http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html >>> >>> I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all >>vegans. >>> >>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>and follow the directions. >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>follow the directions. > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
Yes, great hair. This had to be a colour photo. Thanks for the comment, Dave! Cheers, frank On 28 July, 2015 2:16:28 AM EDT, David J Brooks wrote: >Great hair > >Dave > >On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 9:21 PM, frank theriault > wrote: >> My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we >> liked her hair so I took her photo: >> >> >http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html >> >> I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all >vegans. >> >> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >> >> cheers, >> >> frank >> >> >> -- >> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
Thanks, Marco, much appreciated! Cheers, frank On 28 July, 2015 1:31:34 AM EDT, Marco Alpert wrote: >I’m compelled to like it because it’s a cool portrait. Nice! > >- Marco > > > >On Jul 27, 2015, at 10:07 PM, David Mann wrote: > >> I’m compelled to like this because red & black are Canterbury >colours. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave >> >>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 1:21 pm, frank theriault > wrote: >>> >>> My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we >>> liked her hair so I took her photo: >>> >>> >http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html >>> >>> I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all >vegans. >>> >>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
Whatever the reason, I'm glad you like it, David. ;-) Thanks! cheers, frank On 28 July, 2015 1:07:36 AM EDT, David Mann wrote: >I’m compelled to like this because red & black are Canterbury colours. > >Cheers, >Dave > >> On Jul 28, 2015, at 1:21 pm, frank theriault > wrote: >> >> My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we >> liked her hair so I took her photo: >> >> >http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html >> >> I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all >vegans. >> >> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >> >> cheers, >> >> frank >> >> >> -- >> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
Great hair Dave On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 9:21 PM, frank theriault wrote: > My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we > liked her hair so I took her photo: > > http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html > > I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all vegans. > > Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. > > cheers, > > frank > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
I’m compelled to like it because it’s a cool portrait. Nice! - Marco On Jul 27, 2015, at 10:07 PM, David Mann wrote: > I’m compelled to like this because red & black are Canterbury colours. > > Cheers, > Dave > >> On Jul 28, 2015, at 1:21 pm, frank theriault >> wrote: >> >> My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we >> liked her hair so I took her photo: >> >> http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html >> >> I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all vegans. >> >> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >> >> cheers, >> >> frank >> >> >> -- >> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
I’m compelled to like this because red & black are Canterbury colours. Cheers, Dave > On Jul 28, 2015, at 1:21 pm, frank theriault wrote: > > My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we > liked her hair so I took her photo: > > http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html > > I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all vegans. > > Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. > > cheers, > > frank > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Street Portrait with a Chicken
My partner and I met this delightful young lady in the Market and we liked her hair so I took her photo: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/street-portrait-with-chicken.html I thought the chicken on the wall behind her was ironic as we're all vegans. Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New idea for sensor stabilization -- chicken head!
That is a strange yet fascinating video. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > This is a brilliant idea I just got upon watching this video: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dPlkFPowCc > > You attach the camera sensor to a chicken head, and that will do the > stabilization. :-) > > Igor > > PS. For the nerds with curious minds, here is a fun video from the same guy: > http://io9.com/prepare-to-have-your-mind-blown-by-a-balloon-and-a-mini-1565303363 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
New idea for sensor stabilization -- chicken head!
This is a brilliant idea I just got upon watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dPlkFPowCc You attach the camera sensor to a chicken head, and that will do the stabilization. :-) Igor PS. For the nerds with curious minds, here is a fun video from the same guy: http://io9.com/prepare-to-have-your-mind-blown-by-a-balloon-and-a-mini-1565303363 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Chicken with out its hen
I get it, Dave. "Stonehenge Chicken." You might agree it still needs some inspiration. ;) Good scene elements. Jack --- On Tue, 5/25/10, David J Brooks wrote: > From: David J Brooks > Subject: Peso Chicken with out its hen > To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" , > "Harry Bolton" > Cc: "Home Sarah" , "Conley Leah" > , "Smillie Dale" > Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 9:10 AM > Played around with this one a bit > yesterday. Trying to get this to > work with the back ground > inukchuk > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11048130 > > K10D, Sigma APO 300 f4. slight LR crop > > Comments welcome > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Chicken with out its hen
Funny! I might crop that boulder off the top, Dave--go for a more square crop. It might make the henless chicken pop more. :-)Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" To: "Pentax Discuss" ; "Barbara Brooks" ; "Harry Bolton" Cc: "Home Sarah" ; "Conley Leah" ; "Smillie Dale" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Peso Chicken with out its hen Played around with this one a bit yesterday. Trying to get this to work with the back ground inukchuk http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11048130 K10D, Sigma APO 300 f4. slight LR crop Comments welcome Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso Chicken with out its hen
Played around with this one a bit yesterday. Trying to get this to work with the back ground inukchuk http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11048130 K10D, Sigma APO 300 f4. slight LR crop Comments welcome Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chances are very good her parents had little or nothing to do with her choice > of > a 'stage name' or nom d'étape. > Oh. I never considered that in might not be her real name... ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
frank theriault wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:26 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is apparently Lola... >> >> http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/PinkMafia/?action=view¤t=Lola.jpg > And an enchanting creature she is! > > You'd think her parents would have been more careful, though. Naming > her Lola Love, what else would she become but a stripper (sorry: > "exotic dancer")? > > Perhaps they should have named her Albertina or Phyllis. She'd have > had a chance at a more mainstream career that way... > > cheers, > frank Chances are very good her parents had little or nothing to do with her choice of a 'stage name' or nom d'étape. keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
> P. J. Alling wrote: > > This is apparently Lola... > > > > > http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/PinkMafia/?action=view&; > current=Lola.jpg > > What a shame. Zero appeal to a red-blooded Irishman. > > Me, I'm not interested, either! > > keith > We English, on the other hand, are all wondering just what she's going to do with that thing, and how much will it hurt? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:26 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is apparently Lola... > > http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/PinkMafia/?action=view¤t=Lola.jpg > > And an enchanting creature she is! You'd think her parents would have been more careful, though. Naming her Lola Love, what else would she become but a stripper (sorry: "exotic dancer")? Perhaps they should have named her Albertina or Phyllis. She'd have had a chance at a more mainstream career that way... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
P. J. Alling wrote: > This is apparently Lola... > > http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/PinkMafia/?action=view¤t=Lola.jpg What a shame. Zero appeal to a red-blooded Irishman. Me, I'm not interested, either! keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
This is apparently Lola... http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/PinkMafia/?action=view¤t=Lola.jpg keith_w wrote: > frank theriault wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Like Annsan, I collect unusual signs (I'm just not a good as she is, >>> unfortunately). >>> >>> I gathered a few on my vacation in Maui, last month. Here is one of >>> my favorites: >>> >>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711336 >>> > > > >> Hmmm... >> >> Too bad I missed it. I'd have really liked to have seen Lola Love >> from Oahu with her Lovely Dance. Sounds quite intriguing. >> >> ;-) >> >> Fun shot, Dan! >> >> cheers, >> frank >> > > I'll be in Maui in Deceember, Frank. If I see her, I'll get a shot or two, > hopefully before my wife gives ME a shot! > > keith > > -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:05 PM, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll be in Maui in Deceember, Frank. If I see her, I'll get a shot or two, > hopefully before my wife gives ME a shot! Har! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
frank theriault wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Like Annsan, I collect unusual signs (I'm just not a good as she is, >> unfortunately). >> >> I gathered a few on my vacation in Maui, last month. Here is one of >> my favorites: >> >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711336 > Hmmm... > > Too bad I missed it. I'd have really liked to have seen Lola Love > from Oahu with her Lovely Dance. Sounds quite intriguing. > > ;-) > > Fun shot, Dan! > > cheers, > frank I'll be in Maui in Deceember, Frank. If I see her, I'll get a shot or two, hopefully before my wife gives ME a shot! keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Tattooed Chicken
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like Annsan, I collect unusual signs (I'm just not a good as she is, > unfortunately). > > I gathered a few on my vacation in Maui, last month. Here is one of > my favorites: > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711336 Hmmm... Too bad I missed it. I'd have really liked to have seen Lola Love from Oahu with her Lovely Dance. Sounds quite intriguing. ;-) Fun shot, Dan! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Tattooed Chicken
Like Annsan, I collect unusual signs (I'm just not a good as she is, unfortunately). I gathered a few on my vacation in Maui, last month. Here is one of my favorites: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711336 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Chicken Teriyaki for Everyone!
Looks yummy! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: PESO -- Chicken Teriyaki for Everyone! > Last one from the Branford Festival, (unless some of the other shots > strike my fancy more than they do now), this one is self explanatory, I > was hungry. Taken day before yesterday when I was carrying the three > zoom kit. > > http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20chickenteriyakiforeveryone.html > > Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 AL > > As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. > > -- > Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... > -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Chicken Teriyaki for Everyone!
The plane of maximum sharpness is at the hand, I think there's enough apparent DOF to pull it off, (though it looks softer in the web sized image than it does in the full size image in spite of using extra USM). There seems to be quite enough mid-range brightness on my half-assed calibrated monitor. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Conceptually, it's a cool image. I'd like to see it cropped quite a bit > tighter and with more midrange contrast. Is it sharp? I'm looking on my > laptop without my glasses. This kind of pic has to be razor sharp. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Last one from the Branford Festival, (unless some of the other shots >> strike my fancy more than they do now), this one is self explanatory, I >> was hungry. Taken day before yesterday when I was carrying the three >> zoom kit. >> >> http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20chickenteriyakiforeveryone.htm >> l >> >> Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 AL >> >> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. >> >> -- >> Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... >>-- Dr. Jerry Pournelle >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow >> the directions. >> > > > -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Chicken Teriyaki for Everyone!
Conceptually, it's a cool image. I'd like to see it cropped quite a bit tighter and with more midrange contrast. Is it sharp? I'm looking on my laptop without my glasses. This kind of pic has to be razor sharp. Paul -- Original message -- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Last one from the Branford Festival, (unless some of the other shots > strike my fancy more than they do now), this one is self explanatory, I > was hungry. Taken day before yesterday when I was carrying the three > zoom kit. > > http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20chickenteriyakiforeveryone.htm > l > > Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 AL > > As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. > > -- > Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... >-- Dr. Jerry Pournelle > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO -- Chicken Teriyaki for Everyone!
Last one from the Branford Festival, (unless some of the other shots strike my fancy more than they do now), this one is self explanatory, I was hungry. Taken day before yesterday when I was carrying the three zoom kit. http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20chickenteriyakiforeveryone.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 28-70mm f4.0 AL As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
The idea that kings should lead from the front really lost favor after the fall of Napoleon the III, he was one of the last emperors who insisted on leading his troops from near the front. The problem was that while he was a Napoleon he wasn't the Napoleon. graywolf wrote: > A long long time ago in a land far far away the king was expected to be out > in > front of the pawns leading them. > > Now they lead from the rear. Preferably from another continent. That was most > likely the scariest part of the idea of nuclear war to them, there was no > rear > for them to lead from. > > > Tom C wrote: > >> The Kings have always sacrificed their pawns, and generally their pawns go >> willingingly because they have been convinced it is the noble thing to do. >> > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of P. J. Alling > Sent: 30 September 2007 19:30 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > The official reason was to record for posterity. Propaganda remember > literally means truth. > Propaganda literally means things to propagate. Truth is neither here nor there. In fact, used for ideas it is a metaphor, rather similar to the way broadcast is a metaphor when applied to radio and TV transmission. Propago, -are, -avi, -atum, verb transitive, to propagate, to extend, to prolong. Propaganda is the gerundive - a 'verbal adjective', passive. It is formed by adding -nd to the root, and adding the appropriate gender ending -us, -s, -um. It carries with it a sense of duty, or necessaity. Cato famously used a gerundive in all of his speeches, which he ended with the phrase "Carthago delenda est" - Carthage must be destroyed. Thus propag- -anda: things to be propagated, extended or prolonged. It is the same (Latin) grammatical form as agenda, which literally means things to be done. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
Please, I'm trying to get that copyrighted. (I expect to sell lots of mugs and tee shirts in the next year). Kenneth Waller wrote: > More likely a vast right wing conspiracy. > > Kenneth Waller > http://tinyurl.com/272u2f > > > - Original Message - > From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > > >> On 9/29/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Dictionaries are probably a commie plot. >>> >> LOL >> >> Cheers, >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
As a cynic I find this entirely too cynical. Tom C wrote: > The Kings have always sacrificed their pawns, and generally their pawns go > willingingly because they have been convinced it is the noble thing to do. > > Tom C. > > > >> From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:08:03 -0500 >> >> Public television is running a new World War II series produced by Ken >> Burns (who produced the award winning US Civil War monograph). It has >> been 10 hours of TV this week, tracing people in 4 US cities and their >> experiences with the war - Waterbury, Conneticut - Sacramento, >> California - a small town in rural Minnesota - another town in >> Lousiana or Alabama. The picture of life in those times makes our >> times look cynical and self absorbed. >> >> It is propaganda to use the flag raising picture to try and make >> people buy War Bonds and dig deeper to support the cause. >> It is not propaganda to try and make those sacrificing at home see >> some glimmer of hope and share in a national pride for their >> sacrifices. >> Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to >> support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this. >> >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> On 9/28/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Bob Sullivan" >>> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >>> >>> >>> >>>> Bill and Tom, >>>> >>>> What is a propaganda photo? >>>> The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. >>>> It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day >>>> battle. >>>> The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. >>>> >>>> The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, >>>> the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the >>>> photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of >>>> a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would >>>> make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine >>>> financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit >>>> spending!) >>>> >>>> Propaganda is a loaded word. >>>> >>> Technically, it is information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread >>> >> widely >> >>> to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc, >>> >> nothing >> >>> more, nothing less. >>> >>> I'm guessing that had the Vietnam war more going for it than pocket pool >>> ideology, it would have been more popular, I am sure. >>> >>> William Robb >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> >> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
The official reason was to record for posterity. Propaganda remember literally means truth. frank theriault wrote: > On 9/28/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Bill and Tom, >> >> What is a propaganda photo? >> The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. >> It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day >> battle. >> The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. >> >> The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, >> the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the >> photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of >> a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would >> make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine >> financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit >> spending!) >> >> Propaganda is a loaded word. >> > > It may be a "loaded word", but IMHO, whether intended as propaganda or > not (and as Rosenthal was there with the armed forces, it's hard to > believe that he had no awareness that the photo could be used for > "inspirational purposes"), in fact it was used to promote a cause > (that of raising the war-weary spirits of Americans on the "home > front" of WWII). > > It may have been a good cause, to be sure, but it was still propaganda. > > Good propaganda? > > I think so. > > But propaganda none-the-less... > > cheers, > frank > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
A long long time ago in a land far far away the king was expected to be out in front of the pawns leading them. Now they lead from the rear. Preferably from another continent. That was most likely the scariest part of the idea of nuclear war to them, there was no rear for them to lead from. Tom C wrote: > The Kings have always sacrificed their pawns, and generally their pawns go > willingingly because they have been convinced it is the noble thing to do. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
Wow, Thunderbird claimed that it could send this because it could not connect to the smtp server, but here it is. And while I was typing this a pop up from AVG popped up saying, "Test cannot be started because it already does not exist". I think my computer is haunted. graywolf wrote: > The problem is that you (plural) seem to think propaganda is necessarily > negative. Do you think the US did not have a doctrine of winning the war. Do > you > think they thought they had pacified I island when the photo proclaiming a > victory was made? Do you think that the US used the photo purely as a news > photo > with no intention of rousing a positive response from the populace? If so I > have > an island in the Hudson River to sell you, cheap. > > > propaganda > > propaganda (pròp´e-gàn´de) noun > 1.The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information > reflecting the views and interests of those people advocating such a doctrine > or > cause. > 2.Material disseminated by the advocates of a doctrine or cause: the > selected > truths, exaggerations, and lies of wartime propaganda. > 3. Propaganda. Roman Catholic Church. A division of the Roman Curia that > has > authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in > non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories > where there is no properly organized hierarchy. > > [New Latin, short for Sacra Congregâtio dê Propagandâ Fide, Sacred > Congregation for Propagating the Faith (established 1622), from ablative > feminine gerundive of Latin propâgâre, to propagate. See propagate.] > - prop´agan´dism noun > - prop´agan´dist noun > - prop´agandis´tic adjective > - prop´agandis´tically adverb > > The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition > copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from > INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution restricted in > accordance > with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved. > > Bob Sullivan wrote: >> Bill and Tom, >> >> What is a propaganda photo? >> The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. >> It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day >> battle. >> The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. >> >> The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, >> the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the >> photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of >> a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would >> make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine >> financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit >> spending!) >> >> Propaganda is a loaded word. >> >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> >> On 9/27/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "graywolf" >>> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >>> >>> >>>> If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any >>>> less >>>> powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy >>>> to sit >>>> in our comfortable living rooms decades later and talk about it as if it >>>> were >>>> some kind of conspiracy, but it was a powerful wartime propaganda photo >>>> regardless of when and where and how it was taken. >>> We should compare notes to see how many people called you out for listing >>> that photo as propoganda compared to me. >>> >>> William Robb >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, I tried to answer before but my IS was refusing connections to its smtp server. The problem is you are assigning value to the word that it really does not have. Propaganda is not good or evil. That depends upon by who and why it is being used. Basically all the word means is that the words, illustrations, etc are being used to further some agenda or another. The value of that agenda is another issue altogether. Bob Sullivan wrote: > Public television is running a new World War II series produced by Ken > Burns (who produced the award winning US Civil War monograph). It has > been 10 hours of TV this week, tracing people in 4 US cities and their > experiences with the war - Waterbury, Conneticut - Sacramento, > California - a small town in rural Minnesota - another town in > Lousiana or Alabama. The picture of life in those times makes our > times look cynical and self absorbed. > > It is propaganda to use the flag raising picture to try and make > people buy War Bonds and dig deeper to support the cause. > It is not propaganda to try and make those sacrificing at home see > some glimmer of hope and share in a national pride for their > sacrifices. > Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to > support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this. > > Regards, Bob S. > > On 9/28/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bob Sullivan" >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> >> >>> Bill and Tom, >>> >>> What is a propaganda photo? >>> The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. >>> It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day >>> battle. >>> The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. >>> >>> The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, >>> the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the >>> photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of >>> a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would >>> make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine >>> financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit >>> spending!) >>> >>> Propaganda is a loaded word. >> Technically, it is information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely >> to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc, nothing >> more, nothing less. >> >> I'm guessing that had the Vietnam war more going for it than pocket pool >> ideology, it would have been more popular, I am sure. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The problem is that you (plural) seem to think propaganda is necessarily negative. Do you think the US did not have a doctrine of winning the war. Do you think they thought they had pacified I island when the photo proclaiming a victory was made? Do you think that the US used the photo purely as a news photo with no intention of rousing a positive response from the populace? If so I have an island in the Hudson River to sell you, cheap. propaganda propaganda (pròp´e-gàn´de) noun 1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those people advocating such a doctrine or cause. 2. Material disseminated by the advocates of a doctrine or cause: the selected truths, exaggerations, and lies of wartime propaganda. 3. Propaganda. Roman Catholic Church. A division of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories where there is no properly organized hierarchy. [New Latin, short for Sacra Congregâtio dê Propagandâ Fide, Sacred Congregation for Propagating the Faith (established 1622), from ablative feminine gerundive of Latin propâgâre, to propagate. See propagate.] - prop´agan´dism noun - prop´agan´dist noun - prop´agandis´tic adjective - prop´agandis´tically adverb The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved. Bob Sullivan wrote: > Bill and Tom, > > What is a propaganda photo? > The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. > It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day battle. > The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. > > The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, > the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the > photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of > a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would > make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine > financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit > spending!) > > Propaganda is a loaded word. > > Regards, Bob S. > > > On 9/27/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "graywolf" >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> >> >>> >>> If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any >>> less >>> powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy >>> to sit >>> in our comfortable living rooms decades later and talk about it as if it >>> were >>> some kind of conspiracy, but it was a powerful wartime propaganda photo >>> regardless of when and where and how it was taken. >> We should compare notes to see how many people called you out for listing >> that photo as propoganda compared to me. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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More likely a vast right wing conspiracy. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > On 9/29/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Dictionaries are probably a commie plot. > > LOL > > Cheers, > > Dave > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:42:16 +0100, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Kings have always sacrificed their pawns, and generally their pawns > go > willingingly because they have been convinced it is the noble thing to > do. Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori. They go willingly, and once there, there's no way back. http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html John > Tom C. > > >> From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:08:03 -0500 >> >> Public television is running a new World War II series produced by Ken >> Burns (who produced the award winning US Civil War monograph). It has >> been 10 hours of TV this week, tracing people in 4 US cities and their >> experiences with the war - Waterbury, Conneticut - Sacramento, >> California - a small town in rural Minnesota - another town in >> Lousiana or Alabama. The picture of life in those times makes our >> times look cynical and self absorbed. >> >> It is propaganda to use the flag raising picture to try and make >> people buy War Bonds and dig deeper to support the cause. >> It is not propaganda to try and make those sacrificing at home see >> some glimmer of hope and share in a national pride for their >> sacrifices. >> Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to >> support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this. >> >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> On 9/28/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Bob Sullivan" >> > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> > >> > >> > > Bill and Tom, >> > > >> > > What is a propaganda photo? >> > > The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. >> > > It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 >> day >> > > battle. >> > > The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. >> > > >> > > The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled >> it, >> > > the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the >> > > photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece >> of >> > > a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that >> would >> > > make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine >> > > financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit >> > > spending!) >> > > >> > > Propaganda is a loaded word. >> > >> > Technically, it is information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread >> widely >> > to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc, >> nothing >> > more, nothing less. >> > >> > I'm guessing that had the Vietnam war more going for it than pocket >> pool >> > ideology, it would have been more popular, I am sure. >> > >> > William Robb >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/29/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dictionaries are probably a commie plot. LOL Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, that's what I figured... Dictionaries are probably a commie plot. Regards, Bob S. On 9/28/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > > > > Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to > > support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this. > > My definition came from a dictionary. > Nyah nyah. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to > support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this. My definition came from a dictionary. Nyah nyah. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Kings have always sacrificed their pawns, and generally their pawns go willingingly because they have been convinced it is the noble thing to do. Tom C. >From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:08:03 -0500 > >Public television is running a new World War II series produced by Ken >Burns (who produced the award winning US Civil War monograph). It has >been 10 hours of TV this week, tracing people in 4 US cities and their >experiences with the war - Waterbury, Conneticut - Sacramento, >California - a small town in rural Minnesota - another town in >Lousiana or Alabama. The picture of life in those times makes our >times look cynical and self absorbed. > >It is propaganda to use the flag raising picture to try and make >people buy War Bonds and dig deeper to support the cause. >It is not propaganda to try and make those sacrificing at home see >some glimmer of hope and share in a national pride for their >sacrifices. >Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to >support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this. > >Regards, Bob S. > >On 9/28/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Bob Sullivan" > > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > > > > > > Bill and Tom, > > > > > > What is a propaganda photo? > > > The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. > > > It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day > > > battle. > > > The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. > > > > > > The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, > > > the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the > > > photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of > > > a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would > > > make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine > > > financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit > > > spending!) > > > > > > Propaganda is a loaded word. > > > > Technically, it is information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread >widely > > to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc, >nothing > > more, nothing less. > > > > I'm guessing that had the Vietnam war more going for it than pocket pool > > ideology, it would have been more popular, I am sure. > > > > William Robb > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. > > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Public television is running a new World War II series produced by Ken Burns (who produced the award winning US Civil War monograph). It has been 10 hours of TV this week, tracing people in 4 US cities and their experiences with the war - Waterbury, Conneticut - Sacramento, California - a small town in rural Minnesota - another town in Lousiana or Alabama. The picture of life in those times makes our times look cynical and self absorbed. It is propaganda to use the flag raising picture to try and make people buy War Bonds and dig deeper to support the cause. It is not propaganda to try and make those sacrificing at home see some glimmer of hope and share in a national pride for their sacrifices. Propaganda to me is about manipulating the national sentiment to support bad causes. I know others will differ with me on this. Regards, Bob S. On 9/28/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > > > Bill and Tom, > > > > What is a propaganda photo? > > The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. > > It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day > > battle. > > The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. > > > > The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, > > the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the > > photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of > > a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would > > make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine > > financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit > > spending!) > > > > Propaganda is a loaded word. > > Technically, it is information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely > to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc, nothing > more, nothing less. > > I'm guessing that had the Vietnam war more going for it than pocket pool > ideology, it would have been more popular, I am sure. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > Bill and Tom, > > What is a propaganda photo? > The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. > It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day > battle. > The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. > > The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, > the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the > photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of > a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would > make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine > financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit > spending!) > > Propaganda is a loaded word. Technically, it is information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc, nothing more, nothing less. I'm guessing that had the Vietnam war more going for it than pocket pool ideology, it would have been more popular, I am sure. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/28/07, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill and Tom, > > What is a propaganda photo? > The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. > It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day battle. > The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. > > The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, > the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the > photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of > a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would > make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine > financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit > spending!) > > Propaganda is a loaded word. It may be a "loaded word", but IMHO, whether intended as propaganda or not (and as Rosenthal was there with the armed forces, it's hard to believe that he had no awareness that the photo could be used for "inspirational purposes"), in fact it was used to promote a cause (that of raising the war-weary spirits of Americans on the "home front" of WWII). It may have been a good cause, to be sure, but it was still propaganda. Good propaganda? I think so. But propaganda none-the-less... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill and Tom, What is a propaganda photo? The flag raising at Iwo Jima was an inspirational moment by design. It was a premature 'celebration' of victory, 2 days into a grim 30 day battle. The flag was raised to inspire those fighting on the island below. The photo took on a propaganda aura based on how the media handled it, the events themselves (a difficult battle), and the qualities of the photo itself. The US government used the photo as the centerpiece of a massive War Bond drive - the kind of promotional campaign that would make Nike look like a lightweight in comparison today. (Imagine financing Vietnam from 'donations' to War Bonds instead of deficit spending!) Propaganda is a loaded word. Regards, Bob S. On 9/27/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "graywolf" > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > > > > > > > If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any > > less > > powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy > > to sit > > in our comfortable living rooms decades later and talk about it as if it > > were > > some kind of conspiracy, but it was a powerful wartime propaganda photo > > regardless of when and where and how it was taken. > > We should compare notes to see how many people called you out for listing > that photo as propoganda compared to me. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "graywolf" Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > > If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any > less > powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy > to sit > in our comfortable living rooms decades later and talk about it as if it > were > some kind of conspiracy, but it was a powerful wartime propaganda photo > regardless of when and where and how it was taken. We should compare notes to see how many people called you out for listing that photo as propoganda compared to me. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They were most likely spent solid round shot, sort of like cast iron bowling balls. They hit the ground and then roll and bounce a long way until the come to a stop. They were designed to do that as the bouncing balls played havoc with massed troops. So Tom is correct in thinking many would wind up in a low point like that road, although I would think that that road was a long way beyond their impact point and they simply rolled into that cut. There is nothing in the photos to give size relationships but they are most likely 8, 12, or 16 pound balls as that was what most light field artillery was in those days, that road is very narrow because those balls are smaller than most folks would think. Tom C wrote: > > To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that > must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil? > > I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a > relatively low velocity. > > Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being > relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less friction), > allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when they hit the road. An > object in motion tends to stay in motion. Since they were likely all shot > from the same direction and I would guess, at a relatively oblique angle, > their momentum might be such to propel them off the road. > > Still thinking. :-) > > Tom C. > > >> From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:50:24 -0400 >> >> I agree. >> >> BTW, if the balls actually landed on the road & weren't placed there, where >> are the craters? >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> >> >>> Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to >>> anyone but >>> a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that >> the >>> sun >>> was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into >>> faking >>> his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It >>> reminds me >>> of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about nothing". >>> >>> >>>>> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >>>>> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: > On 27/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >>(I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.) > > > Those sentences give me the horn. > > (Might get my Derek and Clive DVD out tonight ;-) > Lobster for tea. Or maybe not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> Well I guess, my problem is that I consider news photos as editorial > illustrations, not some super meaningful documentation. Yes, I can see how that would be a problem and lead you into all sorts of difficulties. > Strangely without > captions those particular photos have no particular meaning > at all, That's true of almost all news / reportage photographs, almost by definition. What's your point? -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of graywolf > Sent: 27 September 2007 18:09 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > Well I guess, my problem is that I consider news photos as editorial > illustrations, not some super meaningful documentation. > Strangely without > captions those particular photos have no particular meaning > at all, a dirt road > somewhere with a bunch of round stones. The are called > critics because they are > critical you have to take anything they say with a grain of salt. > > If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is > it an any less > powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at > war? It is easy to sit > in our comfortable living rooms decades later and talk about > it as if it were > some kind of conspiracy, but it was a powerful wartime > propaganda photo > regardless of when and where and how it was taken. > > The error comes in thinking of news photos as some kind of > archaeological > documentation made for later generations. They are not, nor > were they intended > as such. > > > Bob W wrote: > > it's important to challenge people who claim without evidence that > > important historical or journalistic photos, or writings or whatever > > are in some way fake or misleading. It's important because it is > > through history and news (which is after all only history > with the ink > > still wet) that we gain our understanding of the world and our place > > in it. It is through news and history that we learn, so as not to > > repeat earlier mistakes, and only by being able to trust the sources > > of history and news is that possible. > > > > There always seem to be claims of fakery swirling around some of the > > most important news photos - the flag on Iwo Jima, Capa's Falling > > Soldier, now this one. I'm sure I could think of more if I > put my mind > > to it. These claims, when false, undermine people's ability to trust > > news photography and play into the hands of people who wish to > > manipulate the news, history and us. > > > > On another level, if someone like Susan Sontag, a respected critic, > > was sloppy in the research on which she based an important > book which > > has influenced many people's views on news photography, then we need > > to know about that because it must affect the way we look at all her > > writing, and the many consequences of her writing. > > > > -- > > Bob > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of graywolf > >> Sent: 26 September 2007 22:45 > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > >> > >> Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any > >> difference to anyone but > >> a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting > >> shows that the sun > >> was more overhead in the second photo, but if the > >> photographer was into faking > >> his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took > >> them. It reminds me > >> of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about > > nothing". > >> > >>>> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > >>>> > >>>> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > >> above and follow the directions. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above and follow the directions. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/09/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: >(I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.) Those sentences give me the horn. (Might get my Derek and Clive DVD out tonight ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not to mention the fact that he was scared as hell because he was under fire. It's illogical that he would go around picking up heavy solid shot to arrange a photo shoot. Norm John Sessoms wrote: > I think the most likely explanation is the photograph of the cleared > road is the later one. There are two military reasons for clearing the > cannon balls from the road. > > First, the cannon balls may have been picked up by British soldiers and > fired back at the Russians by British artillery. The author cites > reports from other correspondents that the British did just that. > > Muzzle loading cannons don't require precisely fitted shells; the > wadding holds the ball in place until the cannon is fired. And the > British picked up the ones lying on the road because, soldiers being > soldiers, it required less work than digging 'em out of whatever muck > might have been in the ditches. > > That's also an argument for the photo of the cannon balls in the road > being the first one, since it's unlikely the soldiers would have > cooperated in such an unnecessary task of moving cannon balls into the > road so he could take a photograph of them, especially since they'd just > have to remove them again. > > Because the road would have to be cleared. That's the second military > reason. > > If you want to be able to move horse drawn artillery (or cavalry, or any > horse drawn equipment) down that road you've got to move those cannon > balls. Cannon balls in the road wouldn't be much danger to the wagon > wheels, but a horse could break a leg. > > And whether the British planned to move down that road or not, a good > officer would be prepared for that possibility. I understand that at the > company level at least the British did have some good officers. > > Good sergeants anyway. > > But you wouldn't need to move the cannon balls that were already off the > road. Again, Tommy ain't gonna' do any unnecessary work. > > Hence photo number two showing the cleared road with all those cannon > balls in the ditches. > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well I guess, my problem is that I consider news photos as editorial illustrations, not some super meaningful documentation. Strangely without captions those particular photos have no particular meaning at all, a dirt road somewhere with a bunch of round stones. The are called critics because they are critical you have to take anything they say with a grain of salt. If the Iwo Jima photo was taken in a studio in California is it an any less powerful image? Would it have less meaning to a people at war? It is easy to sit in our comfortable living rooms decades later and talk about it as if it were some kind of conspiracy, but it was a powerful wartime propaganda photo regardless of when and where and how it was taken. The error comes in thinking of news photos as some kind of archaeological documentation made for later generations. They are not, nor were they intended as such. Bob W wrote: > it's important to challenge people who claim without evidence that > important historical or journalistic photos, or writings or whatever > are in some way fake or misleading. It's important because it is > through history and news (which is after all only history with the ink > still wet) that we gain our understanding of the world and our place > in it. It is through news and history that we learn, so as not to > repeat earlier mistakes, and only by being able to trust the sources > of history and news is that possible. > > There always seem to be claims of fakery swirling around some of the > most important news photos - the flag on Iwo Jima, Capa's Falling > Soldier, now this one. I'm sure I could think of more if I put my mind > to it. These claims, when false, undermine people's ability to trust > news photography and play into the hands of people who wish to > manipulate the news, history and us. > > On another level, if someone like Susan Sontag, a respected critic, > was sloppy in the research on which she based an important book which > has influenced many people's views on news photography, then we need > to know about that because it must affect the way we look at all her > writing, and the many consequences of her writing. > > -- > Bob > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of graywolf >> Sent: 26 September 2007 22:45 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> >> Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any >> difference to anyone but >> a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting >> shows that the sun >> was more overhead in the second photo, but if the >> photographer was into faking >> his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took >> them. It reminds me >> of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about > nothing". >> >>>> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >> above and follow the directions. >> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My point was that those that hadn't exploded wouldn't and would still look like solid shot. The would weigh considerably less than solid shot and would be even less likely than solid shot to create craters at the end of their flight.. Historically Russian shells were notoriously unreliable. (In an age when all shells were unreliable that's saying something). I guess you have to spell everything out. John Sessoms wrote: > From: "P. J. Alling" > > >> If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse >> would imply at least some were exploding shells, >> > > > Some, but not all, > > ... and exploding shells of that day often did not explode (or exploded > too soon). Fused shells were not reliable. For one thing, there was a > good chance the fuse would just get pulled out if the shell hadn't > exploded by the time it hit the ground. > > But you can see that most of what's in the photos is solid shot. Any > exploding shells that had actually exploded wouldn't look like solid > shot, although the ones that didn't might. > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: "P. J. Alling" > If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse > would imply at least some were exploding shells, Some, but not all, ... and exploding shells of that day often did not explode (or exploded too soon). Fused shells were not reliable. For one thing, there was a good chance the fuse would just get pulled out if the shell hadn't exploded by the time it hit the ground. But you can see that most of what's in the photos is solid shot. Any exploding shells that had actually exploded wouldn't look like solid shot, although the ones that didn't might. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: "Tom C" > I thought it was an interesting study in human nature, photography > aside. > > We make assumptions and draw conclusions from what we see, or we > parrot what we hear or read, and make statements as if they are > indisputable, yet thinking a little harder... > > To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls > that must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil? > It doesn't look like soft soil; looks like hard rocky dirt. Cannon balls would bounce and roll until their momentum was spent. Artillery didn't do much indirect fire in those days. Craters usually come from exploding shells. That looks like all solid shot. > I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a > relatively low velocity. > > Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being > relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less > friction), allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when they > hit the road. An object in motion tends to stay in motion. Since > they were likely all shot from the same direction and I would guess, > at a relatively oblique angle, their momentum might be such to propel > them off the road. I think the most likely explanation is the photograph of the cleared road is the later one. There are two military reasons for clearing the cannon balls from the road. First, the cannon balls may have been picked up by British soldiers and fired back at the Russians by British artillery. The author cites reports from other correspondents that the British did just that. Muzzle loading cannons don't require precisely fitted shells; the wadding holds the ball in place until the cannon is fired. And the British picked up the ones lying on the road because, soldiers being soldiers, it required less work than digging 'em out of whatever muck might have been in the ditches. That's also an argument for the photo of the cannon balls in the road being the first one, since it's unlikely the soldiers would have cooperated in such an unnecessary task of moving cannon balls into the road so he could take a photograph of them, especially since they'd just have to remove them again. Because the road would have to be cleared. That's the second military reason. If you want to be able to move horse drawn artillery (or cavalry, or any horse drawn equipment) down that road you've got to move those cannon balls. Cannon balls in the road wouldn't be much danger to the wagon wheels, but a horse could break a leg. And whether the British planned to move down that road or not, a good officer would be prepared for that possibility. I understand that at the company level at least the British did have some good officers. Good sergeants anyway. But you wouldn't need to move the cannon balls that were already off the road. Again, Tommy ain't gonna' do any unnecessary work. Hence photo number two showing the cleared road with all those cannon balls in the ditches. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/09/27 Thu PM 12:04:45 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > mike wilson wrote: > > >But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal > because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls. > > Tanks? In the Crimean war? Surely the fighter-bombers would have taken > them out easily? > ;-) Not Yak-3 just Yak? (I really shouldn't have written that. Now Cotty will have the horn again.) > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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mike wilson wrote: >But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls. Tanks? In the Crimean war? Surely the fighter-bombers would have taken them out easily? ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For some the world began the day they were born and will end the day they die, and has always been as it is. mike wilson wrote: >> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: 2007/09/26 Wed PM 09:44:39 GMT >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> >> Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone >> but >> a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the >> sun >> was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into >> faking >> his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It reminds >> me >> of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about nothing". >> > > But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal because of > commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls. > > >> >>>> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre >>>> > > > > - > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you read the article a quote from the photographer about a fuse would imply at least some were exploding shells, Doug Franklin wrote: > Tom C wrote: > > >> To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that >> must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil? >> >> I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a >> relatively low velocity. >> > > How much is "THAT" much? :-) They could easily be ten or fifteen pounds > each, even if they're small. However, they were most likely solid shot. > Anything with a charge in it was "interesting" to harvest. > > Without getting into too much detail, the shot was most often fired from > close to the ground on a fairly low angle. Solid shot in that situation > had a propensity to skip for a while and then roll across the ground for > quite a distance after the first impact, depending on what it hit in the > meantime. It wasn't a good idea to have your ranks lined up very deeply > when facing that sort of artillery. > > Even at low velocity, getting hit with a ten or fifteen pound wad iron > couldn't be much fun. Heck, the muzzle velocity was low enough on some > of those guns that if the shot was anywhere near right at you, you could > watch the ball coming. > > -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/09/26 Wed PM 09:44:39 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to anyone > but > a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the sun > was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into > faking > his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It reminds > me > of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about nothing". But. I love the comment near the bottom referring to removal because of commanders not wanting their tanks to run over cannon balls. > > > >> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tom C wrote: > To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that > must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil? > > I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a > relatively low velocity. How much is "THAT" much? :-) They could easily be ten or fifteen pounds each, even if they're small. However, they were most likely solid shot. Anything with a charge in it was "interesting" to harvest. Without getting into too much detail, the shot was most often fired from close to the ground on a fairly low angle. Solid shot in that situation had a propensity to skip for a while and then roll across the ground for quite a distance after the first impact, depending on what it hit in the meantime. It wasn't a good idea to have your ranks lined up very deeply when facing that sort of artillery. Even at low velocity, getting hit with a ten or fifteen pound wad iron couldn't be much fun. Heck, the muzzle velocity was low enough on some of those guns that if the shot was anywhere near right at you, you could watch the ball coming. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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>>You've obviously never played golf on a sand green course. >>William Robb >> > > What - are the laws of physics suspended there? :-) > Tom C. Watch out, I think it's a trap. ;/} Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > >- Original Message - >>From: "Tom C" >>Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >> >> >> > >> > Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being >> > relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less >>friction), >> > allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when they hit the >> > road. >> > An >> > object in motion tends to stay in motion. Since they were likely all >>shot >> > from the same direction and I would guess, at a relatively oblique >>angle, >> > their momentum might be such to propel them off the road. >> > >> > Still thinking. :-) >> >>You've obviously never played golf on a sand green course. >> >>William Robb >> > > What - are the laws of physics suspended there? :-) > > Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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>- Original Message - >From: "Tom C" >Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > > > > > Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being > > relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less >friction), > > allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when they hit the road. > > An > > object in motion tends to stay in motion. Since they were likely all >shot > > from the same direction and I would guess, at a relatively oblique >angle, > > their momentum might be such to propel them off the road. > > > > Still thinking. :-) > >You've obviously never played golf on a sand green course. > >William Robb > What - are the laws of physics suspended there? :-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being > relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less friction), > allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when they hit the road. > An > object in motion tends to stay in motion. Since they were likely all shot > from the same direction and I would guess, at a relatively oblique angle, > their momentum might be such to propel them off the road. > > Still thinking. :-) You've obviously never played golf on a sand green course. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
I thought it was an interesting study in human nature, photography aside. We make assumptions and draw conclusions from what we see, or we parrot what we hear or read, and make statements as if they are indisputable, yet thinking a little harder... To your question... Where then are the craters from the canon balls that must have landed *off* the road, in the likely softer soil? I would guess they don't really weigh THAT much and were moving at a relatively low velocity. Another alternate explanation could possibly be that the road, being relatively high, slightly sloped and comparatively smooth (less friction), allowed the canon balls to roll to the low point when they hit the road. An object in motion tends to stay in motion. Since they were likely all shot from the same direction and I would guess, at a relatively oblique angle, their momentum might be such to propel them off the road. Still thinking. :-) Tom C. >From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:50:24 -0400 > >I agree. > >BTW, if the balls actually landed on the road & weren't placed there, where >are the craters? > >Kenneth Waller >http://tinyurl.com/272u2f > > >----- Original Message - >From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > > > Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to > > anyone but > > a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that >the > > sun > > was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into > > faking > > his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It > > reminds me > > of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about nothing". > > > > > >>> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > >>> > >>> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
I agree. BTW, if the balls actually landed on the road & weren't placed there, where are the craters? Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any difference to > anyone but > a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting shows that the > sun > was more overhead in the second photo, but if the photographer was into > faking > his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took them. It > reminds me > of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about nothing". > > >>> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times
it's important to challenge people who claim without evidence that important historical or journalistic photos, or writings or whatever are in some way fake or misleading. It's important because it is through history and news (which is after all only history with the ink still wet) that we gain our understanding of the world and our place in it. It is through news and history that we learn, so as not to repeat earlier mistakes, and only by being able to trust the sources of history and news is that possible. There always seem to be claims of fakery swirling around some of the most important news photos - the flag on Iwo Jima, Capa's Falling Soldier, now this one. I'm sure I could think of more if I put my mind to it. These claims, when false, undermine people's ability to trust news photography and play into the hands of people who wish to manipulate the news, history and us. On another level, if someone like Susan Sontag, a respected critic, was sloppy in the research on which she based an important book which has influenced many people's views on news photography, then we need to know about that because it must affect the way we look at all her writing, and the many consequences of her writing. -- Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of graywolf > Sent: 26 September 2007 22:45 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > > Why is it so interesting? I see nothing that makes any > difference to anyone but > a few folks who want to be taken for pundits. The lighting > shows that the sun > was more overhead in the second photo, but if the > photographer was into faking > his photos, he could well have lied about the time he took > them. It reminds me > of the title to one of Shakespeare's plays, "Much ado about nothing". > > > >> Subject: Chicken or Egg Photo Story - NY Times > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/2oczre > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above and follow the directions. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
