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Stan, if I may add my two cents to your equation, but a sensible amount of patience/waiting applied at proper moment in time can lead to much honorable advancement. I am talking here about SDM problems and probable rather serious solution thereof that Pentax could roll out soon enough. Also, perchance K-7's successor is near and your update from K20D to whatever comes next will be more than just one step. This is, at least, what I would have done, were I in your shoes. As for A 50/1.2 - I might be tempted... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Stan, I can't comment about the DA50-135/2.8 but have both K20 and K-7 with the DA60-250/4. I like the K-7. It's a much more 'polished' camera than the K-20, truly the next generation. But with all the discussion on the K-X, I wonder if a new version or software upgrade is coming in September. I ordered the DA60-250/4 in December and it has been on the K-7 almost continuously since. I've used it outside and inside some too. It's a high performance lens, and a big honker. (I used it at a pre-school Xmas program and the crowd kind of parted in front of me.) It's clearly a serious lens. I didn't buy the DA50-135/2.8 because I saw it as too much duplication with the FA*70-200/2.8. The DA60-250 had more reach and the focusing motors are really so much better than the older screw drives. Here are some pictures with the lens. The first 12 shots here with the cookies are with the DA60-250/4. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Kate# These are grab shots from the San Diego Wild Animal Park - don't judge them too harshly. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/FeedingTheAnimals# If I had to make the choice, I'd do the lens first, then the camera upgrade. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > I am toying with the notion of spending some money. Or, I should say, with > the notion of adding to my credit card debt as my way to help stimulate the > economy while simultaneously helping to increase the bank's profitability. To > say nothing of the profitability of B&H who I do still trust (trying to keep > this on topic here). > > Options I am considering: > a - move from my K20's to K-7's > b - purchase the DA*60-250 > > Part of the equation relates to my assumption that I could get enough from my > two K20's to cover most if not all of one K-7. > And I have a couple of lenses to sell that I keep stalling on because I > really don't want to sell them (DA-14 and A-50/1.2) but will if I need to. > Whichever path I take, I'll need to dip into the bonus I just received, and I > have other better (?) uses for those funds. So doing both (a) and (b) is not > realistic. > > There has been discussion here about the K-7, enough to make me think that I > would see some improvement over the K20, but not a significant > order-of-magnitude change. So I am inclined to put that purchase off until > the K-77, or whatever the next model will be called, which will probably > include the K-x sensor and related firmware that people give such high marks. > Even though that will cut into the resale value of my K20's. > > My primary question on the DA*60-250 has to do with its size, weight, and > general usability. I have looked at the specs, I see the numbers and compare > those to the DA*50-135, and still can't tell if the 60-250 is a replacement > for, an alternative to, the 50-135, or if it is enough larger, heavier, > bulkier (and slower) that it would be used only if the extra reach were > needed. > > So, for those who have both the 50-135 and 60-250, have you found yourself > leaving the 50-135 behind? Or is that still your primary choice of a longish > zoom, with the 60-250 brought out only for special occasions? > > stan > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:15 PM, John Francis wrote: > On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 12:38:26PM -0600, Stan Halpin wrote: >> >> There has been discussion here about the K-7, enough to make me think that I >> would see some improvement over the K20, but not a significant >> order-of-magnitude change. So I am inclined to put that purchase off until >> the K-77, or whatever the next model will be called, which will probably >> include the K-x sensor and related firmware that people give such high >> marks. Even though that will cut into the resale value of my K20's. > > As I pointed out in an earlier post, I don't think a K-7x (or whatever) > will use the K-x sensor. Partly because of the (slightly) lower pixel > count, but mainly because it would not have the higher frame rate made > possible by a four-channel readout from the sensor. Why would it not have the higher frame rate? The K-X is already 4.7fps (all of 0.5fps slower than the K-7) and the same sensor achieves 5fps in the Sony A500. That said, I'd expect to see the Sony 14.6MP CMOS sensor from the A450/A550 instead. No MP drop and more available performance than the 12MP version(it can do 7fps). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 12:38:26PM -0600, Stan Halpin wrote: > > There has been discussion here about the K-7, enough to make me think that I > would see some improvement over the K20, but not a significant > order-of-magnitude change. So I am inclined to put that purchase off until > the K-77, or whatever the next model will be called, which will probably > include the K-x sensor and related firmware that people give such high marks. > Even though that will cut into the resale value of my K20's. As I pointed out in an earlier post, I don't think a K-7x (or whatever) will use the K-x sensor. Partly because of the (slightly) lower pixel count, but mainly because it would not have the higher frame rate made possible by a four-channel readout from the sensor. > My primary question on the DA*60-250 has to do with its size, weight, and > general usability. I have looked at the specs, I see the numbers and compare > those to the DA*50-135, and still can't tell if the 60-250 is a replacement > for, an alternative to, the 50-135, or if it is enough larger, heavier, > bulkier (and slower) that it would be used only if the extra reach were > needed. > > So, for those who have both the 50-135 and 60-250, have you found yourself > leaving the 50-135 behind? Or is that still your primary choice of a longish > zoom, with the 60-250 brought out only for special occasions? I don't have the 60-250 (yet), but I do have the 50-135 and the FA* 80-200 (which, with a 1.4xTC, has a slightly longer reach than the 60-250). The f toact that I had that lens at home definitely factored into my decision to buy the 50-135 (just before the prices went up!) before the 60-250. My standard pick-up-and-go kit is now the K10 (still waiting for a K-7, too) the DA* 16-50 and 50-135 zooms, and possibly a flash, 10-17, and 50mm prime. I suspect the 60-250 would come along rather more often than the 80-200, which is a pretty heavy piece of equipment, but if I'm carrying a large enough bag to take the 60-250 I expect the 50-135 would be there as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/6 Stan Halpin : > Options I am considering: > a - move from my K20's to K-7's > b - purchase the DA*60-250 Stan, I don't own the 50-135. Like Bill Robb, I held out for the 60-250. My experience with that lens has been all positive. OTOH, I've also gone from K10D + K20D, to 2x K-7, and don't regret it for a second. It's a tough choice to recommend only one, but I think i'd opt for the lens. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: > I am toying with the notion of spending some money. ... > There has been discussion here about the K-7, enough to make me think that I > would see some improvement over the K20, but not a significant > order-of-magnitude change. So I am inclined to put that purchase off This just to agree with that part of your post. I have a K20 and no particular urge to upgrade to K-7, or to anything without some combination of smaller size and qualitatively more low-light sensitivity. As for the lenses... I can't say enough good things about the 50-135; a fantastic connection of usually-fast-enough, usually-long-enough, outstandingly great focus, and not so huge that you can't walk around with it for a while. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 6, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: I am toying with the notion of spending some money. Or, I should say, with the notion of adding to my credit card debt as my way to help stimulate the economy while simultaneously helping to increase the bank's profitability. To say nothing of the profitability of B&H who I do still trust (trying to keep this on topic here). Options I am considering: a - move from my K20's to K-7's b - purchase the DA*60-250 Part of the equation relates to my assumption that I could get enough from my two K20's to cover most if not all of one K-7. And I have a couple of lenses to sell that I keep stalling on because I really don't want to sell them (DA-14 and A-50/1.2) but will if I need to. Whichever path I take, I'll need to dip into the bonus I just received, and I have other better (?) uses for those funds. So doing both (a) and (b) is not realistic. There has been discussion here about the K-7, enough to make me think that I would see some improvement over the K20, but not a significant order-of-magnitude change. In terms of exposure accuracy and build quality, the K7 is an order of magnitude better than the K20. Those who shoot a lot in low light tend to equate the two, because noise levels are similar. However, the far better exposure accuracy of the K7 results in less underexposed frames and therefore less noise in actual use. Paul So I am inclined to put that purchase off until the K-77, or whatever the next model will be called, which will probably include the K-x sensor and related firmware that people give such high marks. Even though that will cut into the resale value of my K20's. My primary question on the DA*60-250 has to do with its size, weight, and general usability. I have looked at the specs, I see the numbers and compare those to the DA*50-135, and still can't tell if the 60-250 is a replacement for, an alternative to, the 50-135, or if it is enough larger, heavier, bulkier (and slower) that it would be used only if the extra reach were needed. So, for those who have both the 50-135 and 60-250, have you found yourself leaving the 50-135 behind? Or is that still your primary choice of a longish zoom, with the 60-250 brought out only for special occasions? stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 6, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: From: "Stan Halpin" So, for those who have both the 50-135 and 60-250, have you found yourself leaving the 50-135 behind? Or is that still your primary choice of a longish zoom, with the 60-250 brought out only for special occasions? I use both quite a bit. In the summer when I'm shooting a lot of cars and Grace's sports activities, I tend to have the 60-250 mounted most often. Sometimes we'll do a walkaround after a game, and I just keep it on the camera. In the winter, Grace and I go to the coffee shop and do short walkarounds. I almost always use the 50-135 on those occasions, although I'll sometimes go with the DA 16-50 instead. I rarely take the 60-250 to the coffee shop or other indoor venues. In addition to being 20% longer at the short end than the 50-135, it's rather conspicuous. It's a honker:-). For indoor events, like weddings or the like, I generally use the 50-135 and the 16-50 on two bodies. For weddings with outdoor ceremonies and other outdoor events that I'm covering professionally, I'll frequently use the 60-250 and 16-50 on two bodies. Paul Excellent question, Stan, and I thought William's response interesting. It'll be interesting to read the views of other PDMLers. The real value of the construction story I've been shooting has been the little bit of self-reflection I've done on working in the field, handling equipment, and thinking about equipment needs. My dream situation would be to have 3 bodies: 1 for wide zoom (which I have); 1 for medium-tele (which I have); and 1 with a 200mm or 300mm lens (which I don't have). I could really use a 200 for sure, maybe a 300. I wouldn't be that willing to replace the 50-135 for the 60-250. Maybe I'm just being sentimental :-). Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: "Stan Halpin" So, for those who have both the 50-135 and 60-250, have you found yourself leaving the 50-135 behind? Or is that still your primary choice of a longish zoom, with the 60-250 brought out only for special occasions? Excellent question, Stan, and I thought William's response interesting. It'll be interesting to read the views of other PDMLers. The real value of the construction story I've been shooting has been the little bit of self-reflection I've done on working in the field, handling equipment, and thinking about equipment needs. My dream situation would be to have 3 bodies: 1 for wide zoom (which I have); 1 for medium-tele (which I have); and 1 with a 200mm or 300mm lens (which I don't have). I could really use a 200 for sure, maybe a 300. I wouldn't be that willing to replace the 50-135 for the 60-250. Maybe I'm just being sentimental :-). Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/2/10, Stan Halpin, discombobulated, unleashed: >I am toying with the notion of spending some money. That's more a drinking mug than a T-shirt. Mark!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: "Stan Halpin" Subject: Enablement needed So, for those who have both the 50-135 and 60-250, have you found yourself leaving the 50-135 behind? Or is that still your primary choice of a longish zoom, with the 60-250 brought out only for special occasions? Stan, though I don't own a 50-135, I did sleep in a box behind the Holiday Inn last night. Seriously, I had the use of a 50-135 prior to them being released into the wild. Nice lens. I opted to wait for the 60-250 because I wanted the extra reach. It is as fine a lens as I have seen, though it is big for what it is. It is very close to being the size and weight of what one would think an f/2.8 lens is, and decidedly close to what an f/2.8 would cost. AF (when it was working) was quick and precise, though I find SDM to be a little off-putting because it makes so little noise (and even less noise when it stops working). Mine is 8 months old and is in the shop for an AF module replacement. This is rather painful since it has been out of the bag no more than a dozen times since I bought it. In it's defence, you stand the same chance of the AF kakking on a 50-135 too, and I think that chance is rather too high considering what Hoya is charging for these things. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I am toying with the notion of spending some money. Or, I should say, with the notion of adding to my credit card debt as my way to help stimulate the economy while simultaneously helping to increase the bank's profitability. To say nothing of the profitability of B&H who I do still trust (trying to keep this on topic here). Options I am considering: a - move from my K20's to K-7's b - purchase the DA*60-250 Part of the equation relates to my assumption that I could get enough from my two K20's to cover most if not all of one K-7. And I have a couple of lenses to sell that I keep stalling on because I really don't want to sell them (DA-14 and A-50/1.2) but will if I need to. Whichever path I take, I'll need to dip into the bonus I just received, and I have other better (?) uses for those funds. So doing both (a) and (b) is not realistic. There has been discussion here about the K-7, enough to make me think that I would see some improvement over the K20, but not a significant order-of-magnitude change. So I am inclined to put that purchase off until the K-77, or whatever the next model will be called, which will probably include the K-x sensor and related firmware that people give such high marks. Even though that will cut into the resale value of my K20's. My primary question on the DA*60-250 has to do with its size, weight, and general usability. I have looked at the specs, I see the numbers and compare those to the DA*50-135, and still can't tell if the 60-250 is a replacement for, an alternative to, the 50-135, or if it is enough larger, heavier, bulkier (and slower) that it would be used only if the extra reach were needed. So, for those who have both the 50-135 and 60-250, have you found yourself leaving the 50-135 behind? Or is that still your primary choice of a longish zoom, with the 60-250 brought out only for special occasions? stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it would be a mistake to sell off those great lenses. Keep them and wait until you have money enough to buy the *ist D. Len --- * Wherever you go, that's where you'll be. 127.0.0.1 From: "David Madsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Pentax Discuss List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Enablement needed Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:28:43 -0700 I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com _ Say goodbye to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:28:43 -0700, David Madsen wrote: >I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, >but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine >camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an >MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have >a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? >I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people >photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. David, I have the *istD and also 2 MZ-S's While the *istD is wonderful to use and is the only digital camera I have considered, I would not and will not get rid of the MZ-S's. I admit that I do shoot slides for the marine field work that I do and that waving a AU$2700 body above sea water and in areas with salt spray in the air and where waves are crashing around is just a little bit too much for me (especially when the MZ-S with 64ISO Kodachrome gives me better results). the lenses you have are some of the finest that Pentax have made and can give you far better results on film, particularly for portraiture where wide latitude films will capture more highlight and shadow details than a digital sensor. Keep your lenses and keep saving and add the *istD when you can afford it, but if I was you I'd keep the Pentax gear. As you do portraiture I'd probably keep the Mamiya too. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
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Wow! I have received several wonderful responses to my inquiry and I have a lot to think about. FWIW, I have decided not to sell my film equipment at this time. I believe that there is a *istD in my future, but not at the expense of the equipment I have worked very hard to get. Thank you, all of you, for all of your comments. David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com
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on 11/20/03 2:28 PM, David Madsen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, > but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine > camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an > MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have > a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? > I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people > photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. > > David Madsen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.davidmadsen.com > > My advice - don't change. I bought the *ist-D. It generally meets my expectations, in some ways exceeds my expectations. I will probably use the *ist-D 10 times more often than my Optio 330RS (now my wife's except when I need to borrow it back for a trip). I will probably use the *ist-D 15-20 times more often than my MZ-S. I plan to sell my remaining Pentax 645 gear. So you can see, I am not adverse to change, and I am not against the *ist-D. Nevertheless, I still say, don't change. I have the advantage that I was able to finance my *ist-D through the sale of many of the lenses and camera bodies I had gradually accumulated. I did NOT have to sell the MZ-S. If I had to give up film to move to digital, I would wait. Film is arguably better for many purposes, it is a known media for you and your local processor. The advantages of digital (quick feedback on shots, variable ISO, some advantages with respect to the finished product) are not yet adequate to abandon film, IMHO. On the other hand, I think my old SMC-K 55/1.8 will be a nice portrait lens on the *ist-D, the FA 20-35/4.0 is a nice moderate-wide-to-normal zoom, the FA 77 is a pleasant reintroduction to short telephotos [effective length of about 115mm], and my other lenses provide similar new perspectives for me to explore. But I still say you should stick with your very capable film camera and wait for the second or third generation Pentax DSLR before making the switch. Meanwhile, I will say that one of my surprises is to find how good my Optio is. I had expected major major improvement given both the larger megapixel electronic "film" in the *ist-D and also the limitations of a P&S camera. But the *ist-D shots so far are really not all that great an improvement. Which is to say, you can satisfy your digital urge relatively cheaply with one of the Pentax digital P&S cameras while waiting for a future DSLR... Stan
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Absolutely. Please send all of the items below to me, and I'll send you a *istD in return. :) chris > ===8<==Original message text=== > DM> I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, > DM> but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine > DM> camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an > DM> MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have > DM> a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? > DM> I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people > DM> photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. > > DM> David Madsen > DM> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > DM> http://www.davidmadsen.com > > ===8<===End of original message text=== >
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Hi David. The lenses you have would work with *istD, therefore, the lenses should stay. I think that quality of your MF camera would not be surpassed by *istD, so perhaps this should stay either. Then of course you could sell MZ-S and add funds for *istD and then optionally, if you feel more than satisfied with this, sell your Mamiya and lens, to get the added funds back. However, if I were you, I would not do any of the above. You have flagship film camera. You have excellent glass. As I've learned in my English lessons - "If it ain't broken, don't fix it". To mix in freely translated Russian saying - "Better is the main enemy of Good"... My humble advise is to not bother. Boris ===8<==Original message text=== DM> I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, DM> but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine DM> camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an DM> MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have DM> a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? DM> I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people DM> photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. DM> David Madsen DM> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DM> http://www.davidmadsen.com ===8<===End of original message text===
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- Original Message - From: "David Madsen" Subject: Enablement needed > I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, > but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine > camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an > MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have > a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? > I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people > photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. No. William Robb
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I wouldn't either, Tom, I just bought a lovely LX at a very nice price. Despite all the doom and gloom stories about film, I think it will be available for some time. Mind you, my needs are simple. As long as Kodak keeps making Tri-X and Ilford keeps making HP5+, I'm a happy boy. Here's my problem with digital, though. Not the cameras, which will come down in price. It's the peripherals: a decent printer, good software, a new computer (I don't even own one now; I'm using my roomate's - my old one went in the trash when I moved). The initial investment of all those things right now (including the camera) would pay for a lot of film and processing for me. So, I'll happily keep shooting with my lovely old mechanical jewels, and keep picking up the odd film body at bargain prices as they come available. Eventually I'll go digital, but only kicking and screaming, I assure you. Anyone who's seen my work knows that I really don't give a rat's ass if my shots are ~perfect~. Sometimes we're not trying to capture perfection, but just a simple moment in time. Even if digital surpasses film (or already has), my equipment right now allows me to do what I want. FWIW... cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enablement needed Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:57:05 -0500 I wouldn't. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Enablement needed
> I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, > but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine > camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an > MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have > a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? Yes. You will not be disappointed, guaranteed. > I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people > photography. *ist D teamed up with an A50 1.2 would be a killer combo. Get a few other A lenses - who needs all this AF nonesense. It's mostly a waste of time! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Enablement needed
I was like you, until I found out my classic k and m lenses were not completely compatible with the *istD. Also, the *ist D price is starting to come down a little so eventually you will have enough to buy one. Jim A. > From: "David Madsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:28:43 -0700 > To: "Pentax Discuss List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Enablement needed > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:28:54 -0500 > > I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, > but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine > camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an > MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have > a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? > I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people > photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. > > David Madsen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.davidmadsen.com >
AW: Enablement needed
Tough. The MZ-S is a brilliant camera but chances are, you will almost stop using it once you have the *ist D (unless you also do slides and slide shows). I have a set of 12x18'' *ist D / FA 24-90 prints in front of me and the subjective quality exceeds my expectations. The prints look 'digital' and resolution certainly is not better that on a good print from film, but the people I showed comparable prints always pointed to those from digital images... If - as I assume - your main output IS prints, why don't you download one of the many test images on the web (one that resembles your style of photography) and have a large print made. Take into account that you will need at least a 2/35 if not a 2/24 to complement the *ist D. The 50 is too long. You will also need to keep the Mamiya for the formal portraits, I am afraid, because the *ist D does not play in THAT league yet. Sven I like your portraits, by the way! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: David Madsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2003 21:29 An: Pentax Discuss List Betreff: Enablement needed I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com
Re: Enablement needed
>Sorry, I wish I could give you a different advice and I'm sure many folks won't agree with me, but I'm not going to switching from MZ-S to *ist D for that same reason. >Also, my answer could be different when considering different makes. >Dario Bonazza I agree, for the same reason, the questionable behavior of lenses on the *istD. For now I'd hold onto your lust, sit on it and suppress it, because I am also firmly convinced that the *istD will come down in price after the first of the year. Jan. or Feb. or March sometime. So if you are set on the *istD itself, with no upgrade -- a hundred less is still a hundred less. And possibly even less than that. Hang in there and wait to see what develops is my recommendation. Although I know waiting is hard. Very hard. Marnie aka Doe
Re: Enablement needed
I wouldn't. David Madsen wrote: I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
Re: Enablement needed
David, In spite of my strong belief that in general digital is going to surpass film quality, and, most of all, adding so many new advantages that film will decline very quickly, in this specific case my advice is not to switch from MZ-S to *ist D. The *ist D won't give you the same quality you can get with the MZ-S and those fine lenses you own. I tried all of them on the *ist D: at slow ISO settings they don't even approach the quality you can get from them on a good slide film. Things can be different at high ISO settings, where digital SLR sensors (*ist D included) are so much better than film. This advice is very specific considering MZ-S vs.*ist D (combining the so-so image quality of the *ist D and the so-so behaviour of those Pentax lenses on it). Sorry, I wish I could give you a different advice and I'm sure many folks won't agree with me, but I'm not going to switching from MZ-S to *ist D for that same reason. Also, my answer could be different when considering different makes. Dario Bonazza - Original Message - From: "David Madsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: Enablement needed > I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, > but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine > camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an > MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have > a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? > I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people > photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. > > David Madsen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.davidmadsen.com >
Re: Enablement needed
I sold my 645 and P30t to finance my *ist D, and will soon sell my Phillips enlarger and Jobo processor to finish covering the cost. Any takers? Bill - Original Message - From: "David Madsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Enablement needed > I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, > but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine > camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an > MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have > a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? > I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people > photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. > > David Madsen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.davidmadsen.com > >
Re: Enablement needed
Don't sell the lenses. They work on the ist-D. I sold all my film bodies (including my beloved LX and MX) to fund the D. I knew I would never shoot a roll of film once I went digital so it was a no-brainer. For me. Christian - Original Message - From: "David Madsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Enablement needed > I am feeling a bit week, but not quite broken. I am in lust with the *istD, > but do not have enough money. My question for the owners of this fine > camera is, should I sell my film equipment to purchase the D? I have an > MZ-S, FA 100mm f2.8 macro, FA* 85mm f1.4, and an FA 50mm f1.4. I also have > a Mamiya C330f with 80mm f2.8 lens. Should I sell this stuff to go digital? > I obviously like fast lenses. My primary subject is portrait/people > photography. I would appreciate any input all of you may have. > > David Madsen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.davidmadsen.com >
Re: DSLR Enablement needed.
I bought it last week for $1375. At that price, he wouldn't take a credit card, only a check. Of course, he also sold me a 512 MB compact flash card. ! I didn't have much time to check it out yet, but I grade it a an "A" for ease of use. For this test, I ignored the manuals, and just opened up the camera, inserted the batteries and the memory card, pointed it at something (in this case a maple tree with orange leaves against a blue sky), turned the camera on, point, shot, took out the memory card, stuck it in the printer, hit the print button, and waited to see what came out. The results were quite nice, IMO. Now I have to see what it can do when I learn how to use the camera and then run the shots through photoshop. Dan graywolf wrote: > Better buy it before he comes to his senses. He is not making 10%, he probably > is not making cost (dealer-price + overhead) at that price. > > Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > > I questioned it as well. He claims that's 10% over his cost, which he will give > > to his best customer. . . > > > > arnie wrote: > > > > > >>$1375?? > >> > >>where is this? > >> > >>at that price i would run, not walk, to nj. > >> > >>arnie > >> > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:24 AM > >>Subject: DSLR Enablement needed. > >> > >> > >>>I visited my favorite local camera store here in Central New Jersey, USA, > >>>last night. They finally received the long-pomised *istd, and called me > >> > >>to > >> > >>>let me know. > >>> > >>>I really liked the feel and operation of the camera. The price, $1375 for > >>>body only, didn't seem out of line. Still I hesitate. > >>> > >>>Will the price come down in the near future? Will Pentax come out with an > >>>upgraded version soon, as they did to me with the Optio S earlier this > >>>year? Is it really worth all that money? Will I need to buy a new lens > >>>right away to take full advantage of its capabilities? > >>> > >>>Decision, decisions.
Re: DSLR Enablement needed.
Better buy it before he comes to his senses. He is not making 10%, he probably is not making cost (dealer-price + overhead) at that price. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I questioned it as well. He claims that's 10% over his cost, which he will give to his best customer. . . arnie wrote: $1375?? where is this? at that price i would run, not walk, to nj. arnie - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: DSLR Enablement needed. I visited my favorite local camera store here in Central New Jersey, USA, last night. They finally received the long-pomised *istd, and called me to let me know. I really liked the feel and operation of the camera. The price, $1375 for body only, didn't seem out of line. Still I hesitate. Will the price come down in the near future? Will Pentax come out with an upgraded version soon, as they did to me with the Optio S earlier this year? Is it really worth all that money? Will I need to buy a new lens right away to take full advantage of its capabilities? Decision, decisions. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
Re: DSLR Enablement needed.
I got mine for US$1550 and thought it was a deal Buy it if you can! Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I questioned it as well. He claims that's 10% over his cost, which he will give > to his best customer. . . > > arnie wrote: > > > $1375?? > > > > where is this? > > > > at that price i would run, not walk, to nj. > > > > arnie > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > I visited my favorite local camera store here in Central New Jersey, USA, > > > last night. They finally received the long-pomised *istd, and called me > > to > > > let me know. > > > > > > I really liked the feel and operation of the camera. The price, $1375 for > > > body only, didn't seem out of line. Still I hesitate. > > > Decision, decisions.
DSLR Enablement needed.
I visited my favorite local camera store here in Central New Jersey, USA, last night. They finally received the long-pomised *istd, and called me to let me know. I really liked the feel and operation of the camera. The price, $1375 for body only, didn't seem out of line. Still I hesitate. Will the price come down in the near future? Will Pentax come out with an upgraded version soon, as they did to me with the Optio S earlier this year? Is it really worth all that money? Will I need to buy a new lens right away to take full advantage of its capabilities? Decision, decisions.
Re: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed)
The mount was proprietary to Fuji, it will not mate with SMC Takumars for OA metering. At 07:33 PM 1/31/2002 -0800, you wrote: >The Fuji ST901 you say was their answer to the ES. What type of screw mount >lens was used on it to enable it to do open aperture metering like the ES >II? Could SMC Takumars be used on the 901 to activate the auto feature? > >Jim A. > > > From: "John Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:56:30 -0700 > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > Hi- > > None of the Spotmatics have particularly wonderful finders in my > opinion. I > > have an F, a 1000, and an original. I love 'em anyhow. > > > > You may want to take a look at Fujica ST701 and ST801 bodies. I > haven't had > > my hands on either for many years, but owned both in the late seventies- > > used mainly with SMC Tak lenses. It seems to me that their finders were > > brighter than Pentax, and they were pretty solid mechanically > speaking. The > > ST801 in particular is interesting because its meter technology was very > > advanced for the time. It used a silicon blue cell with an LED readout > > something like the MX. The ST701 was around for quite a while and I think > > evolved over the years, so there may be variations in finder brightness > > depending on when manufactured. > > > > Fuji also made the ST901, their answer to the ES, with a wildly innovative > > meter readout for the day- digitial numerical readout of shutter speed. > > Described as a gimmick that would never go anywhere by a contemporaneous > > Consumer Reports review. Nice chunk of gadgetry, but aperture priority > only > > on auto and no meter on manual. Can't guess about reliablility. I owned > > one of those as well and enjoyed it. > > > > Good luck! > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Christopher Lillja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: January 31, 2002 10:08 AM > > Subject: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > > >> As I have been building my Pentax system I have found some screw mount > > lenses to be great value for the money. I generally use them on a beat > up ME > > with a M42/KM adapter. I'm thinking about getting a real M42 body, and of > > course a nice Spottie would probably fit the bill nicely. > >> > >> Here's the thing: which Pentax M42 camera has the best view > > finder/focusing aids? I've read all the major pages on the topic and little > > is mentioned about the various finders. I would happily trade TTL metering > > for a really good finder or perhaps a really small (ME like) chassis... > >> > >> I have a K1000 and I find the little tiny microprisim dot in the middle of > > the ground glass not much fun to use. I love the finder on the ME, and I > > could live with something in between those two. I'm happy with the > > viewfinder brightness of both cameras, BTW. > >> > >> Now remain calm please, I have also looked at information on many M42 > > cameras, some (gulp) non-Pentax. If anyone has some suggestions along these > > lines, feel free to answer me off-list. > >> > >> Well, what I guess what I really want is an MX with an M42 lens mount. > > What the next best thing? > >> > >> Christopher Lillja > >> Publications Coordinator > >> The Pennington School > >> www.pennington.org > >> - > >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed)
Actually I think the other poster had it right - the lens has the tab, but I do believe that some Some SMC lenses will foul it or the mirror box. ppro > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul M. Provencher > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 4:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > if I remember correctly...The ST 901 has an external tab that is incompatible with >Pentax screw mount lenses, Also some > of the SMC > lenses interfere with the top of the mirror box on the Fuji as well as several other >M42 cameras. Best to try before you buy. > > ppro > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Apilado > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:34 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > > > > > The Fuji ST901 you say was their answer to the ES. What type of screw mount > > lens was used on it to enable it to do open aperture metering like the ES > > II? Could SMC Takumars be used on the 901 to activate the auto feature? > > > > Jim A. > > > > > From: "John Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:56:30 -0700 > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > > > Hi- > > > None of the Spotmatics have particularly wonderful finders in my opinion. I > > > have an F, a 1000, and an original. I love 'em anyhow. > > > > > > You may want to take a look at Fujica ST701 and ST801 bodies. I haven't had > > > my hands on either for many years, but owned both in the late seventies- > > > used mainly with SMC Tak lenses. It seems to me that their finders were > > > brighter than Pentax, and they were pretty solid mechanically speaking. The > > > ST801 in particular is interesting because its meter technology was very > > > advanced for the time. It used a silicon blue cell with an LED readout > > > something like the MX. The ST701 was around for quite a while and I think > > > evolved over the years, so there may be variations in finder brightness > > > depending on when manufactured. > > > > > > Fuji also made the ST901, their answer to the ES, with a wildly innovative > > > meter readout for the day- digitial numerical readout of shutter speed. > > > Described as a gimmick that would never go anywhere by a contemporaneous > > > Consumer Reports review. Nice chunk of gadgetry, but aperture priority only > > > on auto and no meter on manual. Can't guess about reliablility. I owned > > > one of those as well and enjoyed it. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Christopher Lillja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: January 31, 2002 10:08 AM > > > Subject: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > > > > > >> As I have been building my Pentax system I have found some screw mount > > > lenses to be great value for the money. I generally use them on a beat up ME > > > with a M42/KM adapter. I'm thinking about getting a real M42 body, and of > > > course a nice Spottie would probably fit the bill nicely. > > >> > > >> Here's the thing: which Pentax M42 camera has the best view > > > finder/focusing aids? I've read all the major pages on the topic and little > > > is mentioned about the various finders. I would happily trade TTL metering > > > for a really good finder or perhaps a really small (ME like) chassis... > > >> > > >> I have a K1000 and I find the little tiny microprisim dot in the middle of > > > the ground glass not much fun to use. I love the finder on the ME, and I > > > could live with something in between those two. I'm happy with the > > > viewfinder brightness of both cameras, BTW. > > >> > > >> Now remain calm please, I have also looked at information on many M42 > > > cameras, some (gulp) non-Pentax. If anyone has some suggestions along these > > > lines, feel free to answer me off-list. > > >> > > >> Well, what I guess what I really want is an MX with an M42 lens mount. > > > What the next best thing? > > >> > > >> Christo
RE: Fujica screwmount SLRs (was: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed))
Yes they are, but only with stop down metering. I think the build and finish quality of the Fuji SLRs suck compared to Pentax spotmatics though. JCO > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jmadams > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fujica screwmount SLRs (was: Spottie Questions (Enablement > Needed)) > > > Just out of curiosity, are Fujica scrwemount SLRs compatable with my > collection of M42 lenses? > James - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed)
if I remember correctly...The ST 901 has an external tab that is incompatible with Pentax screw mount lenses, Also some of the SMC lenses interfere with the top of the mirror box on the Fuji as well as several other M42 cameras. Best to try before you buy. ppro > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Apilado > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:34 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > The Fuji ST901 you say was their answer to the ES. What type of screw mount > lens was used on it to enable it to do open aperture metering like the ES > II? Could SMC Takumars be used on the 901 to activate the auto feature? > > Jim A. > > > From: "John Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:56:30 -0700 > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > Hi- > > None of the Spotmatics have particularly wonderful finders in my opinion. I > > have an F, a 1000, and an original. I love 'em anyhow. > > > > You may want to take a look at Fujica ST701 and ST801 bodies. I haven't had > > my hands on either for many years, but owned both in the late seventies- > > used mainly with SMC Tak lenses. It seems to me that their finders were > > brighter than Pentax, and they were pretty solid mechanically speaking. The > > ST801 in particular is interesting because its meter technology was very > > advanced for the time. It used a silicon blue cell with an LED readout > > something like the MX. The ST701 was around for quite a while and I think > > evolved over the years, so there may be variations in finder brightness > > depending on when manufactured. > > > > Fuji also made the ST901, their answer to the ES, with a wildly innovative > > meter readout for the day- digitial numerical readout of shutter speed. > > Described as a gimmick that would never go anywhere by a contemporaneous > > Consumer Reports review. Nice chunk of gadgetry, but aperture priority only > > on auto and no meter on manual. Can't guess about reliablility. I owned > > one of those as well and enjoyed it. > > > > Good luck! > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Christopher Lillja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: January 31, 2002 10:08 AM > > Subject: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > > >> As I have been building my Pentax system I have found some screw mount > > lenses to be great value for the money. I generally use them on a beat up ME > > with a M42/KM adapter. I'm thinking about getting a real M42 body, and of > > course a nice Spottie would probably fit the bill nicely. > >> > >> Here's the thing: which Pentax M42 camera has the best view > > finder/focusing aids? I've read all the major pages on the topic and little > > is mentioned about the various finders. I would happily trade TTL metering > > for a really good finder or perhaps a really small (ME like) chassis... > >> > >> I have a K1000 and I find the little tiny microprisim dot in the middle of > > the ground glass not much fun to use. I love the finder on the ME, and I > > could live with something in between those two. I'm happy with the > > viewfinder brightness of both cameras, BTW. > >> > >> Now remain calm please, I have also looked at information on many M42 > > cameras, some (gulp) non-Pentax. If anyone has some suggestions along these > > lines, feel free to answer me off-list. > >> > >> Well, what I guess what I really want is an MX with an M42 lens mount. > > What the next best thing? > >> > >> Christopher Lillja > >> Publications Coordinator > >> The Pennington School > >> www.pennington.org > >> - > >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Fujica screwmount SLRs (was: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed))
Yes you can mount nearly all M42 lenses on those Fujicas , the only catch is you can't use the later Fujinon screwmount lenses on other cameras because the open-metering lug interferes with the flange on the body of non-fujica camera. (It's an indexing lug very much like Nikon's AI system) There's a small exception as far as I know (secondhand info) and that with the lenses of the Ricoh EE lenses. The also cannot be mounted correctly on other camera's. regards René van Ginkel - Original Message - From: "jmadams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Fujica screwmount SLRs (was: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed)) > Just out of curiosity, are Fujica scrwemount SLRs compatable with my > collection of M42 lenses? > James > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fujica screwmount SLRs (was: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed))
Specs and comments on Fujica scrwemount SLRs can be found at
http://anusf.anu.edu.au/~aab900/photography/cameras/fujica.htm
Referenced there is the Fujica 35mm SLR Club ("for users of the Fujica ST and AZ
screw-mount cameras, as well as the STX and AX X-mount bayonet cameras") at
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/fujica35mmslrs
The link to the Fujica screw and bayonet club is dead.
Let me say a few kind words for the SP500. I played with one at the camera store
yesterday. Having used only Super Programs, I was impressed by the SP500's low
vibration; I don't think I'd feel the need for a cable release. I also felt that the
viewfinder was brighter than the Super Program's. But the consensus on the link at the
top of my message is that the Fujicas are even brighter.
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The Fuji ST901 you say was their answer to the ES. What type of screw mount lens was used on it to enable it to do open aperture metering like the ES II? Could SMC Takumars be used on the 901 to activate the auto feature? Jim A. > From: "John Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:56:30 -0700 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > Hi- > None of the Spotmatics have particularly wonderful finders in my opinion. I > have an F, a 1000, and an original. I love 'em anyhow. > > You may want to take a look at Fujica ST701 and ST801 bodies. I haven't had > my hands on either for many years, but owned both in the late seventies- > used mainly with SMC Tak lenses. It seems to me that their finders were > brighter than Pentax, and they were pretty solid mechanically speaking. The > ST801 in particular is interesting because its meter technology was very > advanced for the time. It used a silicon blue cell with an LED readout > something like the MX. The ST701 was around for quite a while and I think > evolved over the years, so there may be variations in finder brightness > depending on when manufactured. > > Fuji also made the ST901, their answer to the ES, with a wildly innovative > meter readout for the day- digitial numerical readout of shutter speed. > Described as a gimmick that would never go anywhere by a contemporaneous > Consumer Reports review. Nice chunk of gadgetry, but aperture priority only > on auto and no meter on manual. Can't guess about reliablility. I owned > one of those as well and enjoyed it. > > Good luck! > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher Lillja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: January 31, 2002 10:08 AM > Subject: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > >> As I have been building my Pentax system I have found some screw mount > lenses to be great value for the money. I generally use them on a beat up ME > with a M42/KM adapter. I'm thinking about getting a real M42 body, and of > course a nice Spottie would probably fit the bill nicely. >> >> Here's the thing: which Pentax M42 camera has the best view > finder/focusing aids? I've read all the major pages on the topic and little > is mentioned about the various finders. I would happily trade TTL metering > for a really good finder or perhaps a really small (ME like) chassis... >> >> I have a K1000 and I find the little tiny microprisim dot in the middle of > the ground glass not much fun to use. I love the finder on the ME, and I > could live with something in between those two. I'm happy with the > viewfinder brightness of both cameras, BTW. >> >> Now remain calm please, I have also looked at information on many M42 > cameras, some (gulp) non-Pentax. If anyone has some suggestions along these > lines, feel free to answer me off-list. >> >> Well, what I guess what I really want is an MX with an M42 lens mount. > What the next best thing? >> >> Christopher Lillja >> Publications Coordinator >> The Pennington School >> www.pennington.org >> - >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Hi- None of the Spotmatics have particularly wonderful finders in my opinion. I have an F, a 1000, and an original. I love 'em anyhow. You may want to take a look at Fujica ST701 and ST801 bodies. I haven't had my hands on either for many years, but owned both in the late seventies- used mainly with SMC Tak lenses. It seems to me that their finders were brighter than Pentax, and they were pretty solid mechanically speaking. The ST801 in particular is interesting because its meter technology was very advanced for the time. It used a silicon blue cell with an LED readout something like the MX. The ST701 was around for quite a while and I think evolved over the years, so there may be variations in finder brightness depending on when manufactured. Fuji also made the ST901, their answer to the ES, with a wildly innovative meter readout for the day- digitial numerical readout of shutter speed. Described as a gimmick that would never go anywhere by a contemporaneous Consumer Reports review. Nice chunk of gadgetry, but aperture priority only on auto and no meter on manual. Can't guess about reliablility. I owned one of those as well and enjoyed it. Good luck! - Original Message - From: "Christopher Lillja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: January 31, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > As I have been building my Pentax system I have found some screw mount lenses to be great value for the money. I generally use them on a beat up ME with a M42/KM adapter. I'm thinking about getting a real M42 body, and of course a nice Spottie would probably fit the bill nicely. > > Here's the thing: which Pentax M42 camera has the best view finder/focusing aids? I've read all the major pages on the topic and little is mentioned about the various finders. I would happily trade TTL metering for a really good finder or perhaps a really small (ME like) chassis... > > I have a K1000 and I find the little tiny microprisim dot in the middle of the ground glass not much fun to use. I love the finder on the ME, and I could live with something in between those two. I'm happy with the viewfinder brightness of both cameras, BTW. > > Now remain calm please, I have also looked at information on many M42 cameras, some (gulp) non-Pentax. If anyone has some suggestions along these lines, feel free to answer me off-list. > > Well, what I guess what I really want is an MX with an M42 lens mount. What the next best thing? > > Christopher Lillja > Publications Coordinator > The Pennington School > www.pennington.org > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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> Here's the thing: which Pentax M42 camera has the best view finder/focusing > aids? I've read all the major pages on the topic and little is mentioned about > the various finders. I would happily trade TTL metering for a really good > finder or perhaps a really small (ME like) chassis... I've had an SP, SP500, SPII, F, and now ESII, and I find the SPII and ESII easiest to focus. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Christopher, The late screw mount Pentax cameras generally had the best viewfinders. That includes the ESII, Spotmatic F, and even the Spotmatic II. If you happen to have SMC lenses, you may wish to consider the ESII (automatic) or Spotmatic F, although the Spotmatic II will work just as well but without automation or open-aperture metering (you'd be stopping down). The factory offered a range of optional screens. I have split image and plain matte screens in a couple of mine. The microprism is OK for some things, as are the other two for various applications. No one screen is perfect for everything. The combined split with microprism found in some cameras is a nice nod in that direction but it was not a catalog offering for the Spotmatic cameras. Recent eBay evidence suggests that screens can still be fitted to these cameras for affordable prices so that may be an option. As for deciding between the three cameras suggested above? Personal preference. I think this enters into opinion. I don't know if there will be a lot of dispute on this point but the Spotmatic II is probably the least complex and most reliable. The Spotmatic F comes next in that category, just for the meter system being more complex, less reliable and somewhat ill designed (it is "ON" if the lens cap is removed. The ESII (when you find a good one, which isn't too hard, but not guaranteed) is a great camera and can be trusted to make good automatic exposures with judicious use, and has the added benefits of open-aperture metering and shutter speed displayed in the viewfinder. I think that is probably enough from me as now the disputes will begin! Just my opinion. ppro http://whitemetal.com/pentax/index.htm > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher Lillja > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Spottie Questions (Enablement Needed) > > > > As I have been building my Pentax system I have found some screw mount lenses to be >great value for the money. I > generally use them on a beat up ME with a M42/KM adapter. I'm thinking about getting >a real M42 body, and of course a > nice Spottie would probably fit the bill nicely. > > Here's the thing: which Pentax M42 camera has the best view finder/focusing aids? >I've read all the major pages on the > topic and little is mentioned about the various finders. I would happily trade TTL >metering for a really good finder or > perhaps a really small (ME like) chassis... > > I have a K1000 and I find the little tiny microprisim dot in the middle of the >ground glass not much fun to use. I love > the finder on the ME, and I could live with something in between those two. I'm >happy with the viewfinder brightness of > both cameras, BTW. > > Now remain calm please, I have also looked at information on many M42 cameras, some >(gulp) non-Pentax. If anyone has some > suggestions along these lines, feel free to answer me off-list. > > Well, what I guess what I really want is an MX with an M42 lens mount. What the next >best thing? > > Christopher Lillja > Publications Coordinator > The Pennington School > www.pennington.org > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Christopher wrote: > I'm thinking about getting a real M42 body, and of course > a nice Spottie would probably fit the bill nicely. > Here's the thing: which Pentax M42 camera has the best > view finder/focusing aids? Look for an old H1 ... just a center micro cirrcle and a slightly different microprism ring around that - against a plain matte screen. No split image gizmos, meter or any other "sissy-fy'd modern crap" !8^);^) Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Since you won't be using open aperture metering with an M42 camera except the Spotmatic F, and you'd like an MX, why not just use an MX with the adapter for screw mount lenses? Christopher Lillja wrote: > Well, what I guess what I really want is an > MX with an M42 lens mount. What the next best thing? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
