Re: Scanning slides

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yes, "infrared clean" in VueScan is dust and scratch removal: it uses the 
infrared scanning capability of scanners so equipped to detect dust and 
scratches. 

I scan with only one idea in mind: capture all the usable data. I leave all 
additional processing for after the scanning is completed. So I usually don't 
crop in the scanning at all, I keep an eye on the histogram to be sure that I'm 
"windowing" the actual data completely, and my out-of-scanner files look like 
crap … But they have all the data I need to work with. My edits are usually 
very easy and quick as a result, unless it's a particularly screwed up 
negative. 

As example, here's a Minox 8x11mm negative I scanned with a copy camera 
approach yesterday: 

before:: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49870862427_abe274ff1d_o.png

As you can see, the capture window was wider than the negative tonally, which 
means that ALL the data was captured across the board. And I always like to get 
a bit of the rebate all around the image area in order that I have a reference 
for what the "blackest" part of the image might be, and for ease of positioning 
in scanning as well as flexibility in cropping. The follow-on screen capture ...

after:: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49870022788_9bef929f79_o.png

… shows a quick process of the image to positive tonalities. The tonal curve 
and settings are not a complete picture: there are two gradient filter layers 
for top and bottom in this image that I have no way to screen capture. All of 
the processing, happened with the controls in the Tone Curve and Basic panels 
and those two gradient filters. I deem this as good enough to output to a 16bit 
TIFF for finish rendering (spotting, dust removal, localized edits, etc.). That 
took about 20 seconds on one frame. I copied those settings to the set of negs 
which I can then go into later and make small adjustments on each one 

Fun stuff… And amazing how much information a teensy scrap of film only 8 x 11 
mm in size can hold! :-)

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> On May 7, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded—Ralf, John in Brisbane, and especially 
> Godfrey and Larry about spot removal in light room.
> 
> A progress report: I’m proceeding slowly. I did four slides yesterday and 
> four today. Just getting familiar with the mechanics, e.g., defining the crop 
> in the preview for the scan. I tried color correction on a couple slides 
> turned out well on one, horrible on the other. 
> 
> Am I correct in taking it that “Infrared clean” in VueScan is dust and 
> scratch removal? Since John suggested doing sharpening before dust and 
> scratch removal, I think I’ll try sharpening in the scan and save dust and 
> removal for LR.





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Re: Scanning slides

[Eric Weir]

> On May 7, 2020, at 1:59 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Lightroom has tools that make spot removal extremely easy and fast. It's not 
> quite as good on scratches as some of the tools in Photoshop, but I rarely 
> have scratches to worry about.

Thanks to everyone who responded—Ralf, John in Brisbane, and especially Godfrey 
and Larry about spot removal in light room.

A progress report: I’m proceeding slowly. I did four slides yesterday and four 
today. Just getting familiar with the mechanics, e.g., defining the crop in the 
preview for the scan. I tried color correction on a couple slides turned out 
well on one, horrible on the other. 

Am I correct in taking it that “Infrared clean” in VueScan is dust and scratch 
removal? Since John suggested doing sharpening before dust and scratch removal, 
I think I’ll try sharpening in the scan and save dust and removal for LR. 

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Re: Scanning slides

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On May 6, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> Lightroom has tools that make spot removal extremely easy and fast. It's not 
>> quite as good on scratches as some of the tools in Photoshop, but I rarely 
>> have scratches to worry about.
>> 
>> The way you do spot and small scratch removal in LR is extremely simple: 
>> 
>> - Open the image you want to clean up in the Develop module.
>> - Zoom the view to 1:1
>> - Press the Home key on your keyboard
>> - Press Q to bring up the Spot Removal Tool
>> 
>> - Set the size of the tool to the smallest that will cover a given spot
>> - Set to Clone or Heal depending on what works best for a given situation
>> - Click once on every spot you want to clean up
> 
> Something that took me far too long to learn is that you can drag the tool 
> around with the mouse button held down and adjust the shape of your spot 
> removal area.  I just lucked on that detail. It’s very helpful when the spot 
> isn’t round.  Also, if it picks the wrong area to clone from, you can drag 
> around the target shape as well.
> 
>> - When done with what's in the view, press the Page Down key and the next 
>> segment will come into the view. 
> 
> There’s also something about shift page down, or something like that.  I 
> think it moves it sideways.

- The H key shows/hides the spot correction destination and source circles. If 
you toggle the circles to be visible, you can adjust the size of the spot 
circle and the source used by dragging at the edges of either or in the center 
of either. (This is part of the standard behavior of the Spot Removal Tool, not 
specific to the nice features added for dust spotting an entire image/negative 
scan.)

- Click and drag allows you to select a non-circular spot circle, what you need 
to do to deal with a long scratch. With the circles visible you can drag the 
source region to other areas; I don't think you can re-size it. (This is part 
of the standard behavior of the Spot Removal Tool, not specific to the nice 
features added for dust spotting an entire image/negative scan.)

- Shift-Page Down/Up steps the view through the image in a horizontal pattern 
rather than a vertical pattern. Very useful if you're spotting out a long thin 
scratch that's larger than can be seen in a single view.

I tend to do dust spotting with the circles hidden and only toggle them to 
visible if the replacement missed the mark so I can adjust the source or size 
to accommodate the situation better. 

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Re: Scanning slides

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On May 6, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> On May 5, 2020, at 7:36 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> ...
>> All dust and scratch elimination software tends to soften the image scanned: 
>> I prefer to use PS (or software of your choice) for post-process sharpening. 
>> ...
>> There is not much you can do with a really awful shot!
> 
> Very helpful, John. I take you to be saying you prefer Photoshop for 
> sharpening and dust and scratch removal. Could that be done in Lightroom as 
> well? My experience with Epson Scan has mostly been frustrating. Not so 
> VueScan.

Lightroom has tools that make spot removal extremely easy and fast. It's not 
quite as good on scratches as some of the tools in Photoshop, but I rarely have 
scratches to worry about.

The way you do spot and small scratch removal in LR is extremely simple: 

- Open the image you want to clean up in the Develop module.
- Zoom the view to 1:1
- Press the Home key on your keyboard
- Press Q to bring up the Spot Removal Tool

- Set the size of the tool to the smallest that will cover a given spot
- Set to Clone or Heal depending on what works best for a given situation
- Click once on every spot you want to clean up
- When done with what's in the view, press the Page Down key and the next 
segment will come into the view. 

The Page Down key will cycle you through the entire image, one vertical strip 
at a time, and go to the top of the next strip when you've finished at the 
bottom pane of a particular vertical strip. 

It works beautifully and makes it a piece of cake to spot even the largest 
image file.

G
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Re: Scanning slides

[Larry Colen]

> On May 6, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
>> On May 6, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 7:36 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> ...
>>> All dust and scratch elimination software tends to soften the image 
>>> scanned: I prefer to use PS (or software of your choice) for post-process 
>>> sharpening. ...
>>> There is not much you can do with a really awful shot!
>> 
>> Very helpful, John. I take you to be saying you prefer Photoshop for 
>> sharpening and dust and scratch removal. Could that be done in Lightroom as 
>> well? My experience with Epson Scan has mostly been frustrating. Not so 
>> VueScan.
> 
> Lightroom has tools that make spot removal extremely easy and fast. It's not 
> quite as good on scratches as some of the tools in Photoshop, but I rarely 
> have scratches to worry about.
> 
> The way you do spot and small scratch removal in LR is extremely simple: 
> 
> - Open the image you want to clean up in the Develop module.
> - Zoom the view to 1:1
> - Press the Home key on your keyboard
> - Press Q to bring up the Spot Removal Tool
> 
> - Set the size of the tool to the smallest that will cover a given spot
> - Set to Clone or Heal depending on what works best for a given situation
> - Click once on every spot you want to clean up

Something that took me far too long to learn is that you can drag the tool 
around with the mouse button held down and adjust the shape of your spot 
removal area.  I just lucked on that detail. It’s very helpful when the spot 
isn’t round.  Also, if it picks the wrong area to clone from, you can drag 
around the target shape as well.

> - When done with what's in the view, press the Page Down key and the next 
> segment will come into the view. 

There’s also something about shift page down, or something like that.  I think 
it moves it sideways.

> 
> The Page Down key will cycle you through the entire image, one vertical strip 
> at a time, and go to the top of the next strip when you've finished at the 
> bottom pane of a particular vertical strip. 
> 
> It works beautifully and makes it a piece of cake to spot even the largest 
> image file.
> 
> G
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RE: Scanning slides

[jcoyle]

Hi Eric - I neither use nor like LR, so I can't be sure, but it would be 
unlikely you would not have both those options in the software.

John in Brisbane



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> On May 5, 2020, at 7:36 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
> I've recently scanned many scores of slides, negatives, and prints from both 
> my own work and others: some were shot on crap cameras and on slide film that 
> lost all it's colour after some years of poor storage. Others were more than 
> 100 years old, and in very poor condition.
> From my own experience:
> I prefer Epson software for 35mm and MF: I found the interface easier to use 
> and it has most of the adjustment options that VueScan does.
> VueScan has a small menu  selection of the film used to shoot the original, 
> Epson only allows choices between slides, and B or colour negative types.
> VueScan is the only choice, between the two, for APS film, as it finds the 
> frame borders accurately, whereas the Epson does not.  Neither is very good 
> with the sub-APS formats.
> I haven't noticed a lot of difference between scanning emulsion side down or 
> up, to be honest.  With both slides and negatives, I put the shiny side down, 
> as the texture of the emulsion *might* affect sharpness at high scan 
> resolutions.
> Scan at a resolution high enough to give you a reasonable print capability: 
> for example, if you want a 10x8 inch print from a 35mm slide, scan at 2400 or 
> 3200 dpi.
> All dust and scratch elimination software tends to soften the image scanned: 
> I prefer to use PS (or software of your choice) for post-process sharpening. 
> The ICE technology in the Epson software I find useless in that regard.
> In post-processing, sharpen first then deal with dust and scratches: if you 
> do it the other way around, the sharpening will reveal yet more flaws!
> Both programs will restore faded colour quite effectively, but may generate a 
> bad colour cast if the original is really badly faded: slight fading is 
> recoverable.
> There is not much you can do with a really awful shot!

Very helpful, John. I take you to be saying you prefer Photoshop for sharpening 
and dust and scratch removal. Could that be done in Lightroom as well? My 
experience with Epson Scan has mostly been frustrating. Not so VueScan.

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Re: Scanning slides

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 06.05.20 um 21:37 schrieb Eric Weir:


I’m pretty certain the film I used was Fuji Velvia. How would your dust and 
scratch removal comments apply to it?


The only slide film that causes problems with IR dust removal is
Kodachrome because of its different technology. The same goes for all
b/w negative film with the exception of the later chromogenous films
like Ilford XP2 and Kodak BW400CN.

So, your Velvia would be OK. That being said, IR cleaning doesn't really
work well with all Epson flatbed scanners no matter what film you're using.

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Re: Scanning slides

[Eric Weir]

> On May 5, 2020, at 7:36 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
> I've recently scanned many scores of slides, negatives, and prints from both 
> my own work and others: some were shot on crap cameras and on slide film that 
> lost all it's colour after some years of poor storage. Others were more than 
> 100 years old, and in very poor condition.
> From my own experience:
> I prefer Epson software for 35mm and MF: I found the interface easier to use 
> and it has most of the adjustment options that VueScan does.
> VueScan has a small menu  selection of the film used to shoot the original, 
> Epson only allows choices between slides, and B or colour negative types.
> VueScan is the only choice, between the two, for APS film, as it finds the 
> frame borders accurately, whereas the Epson does not.  Neither is very good 
> with the sub-APS formats.
> I haven't noticed a lot of difference between scanning emulsion side down or 
> up, to be honest.  With both slides and negatives, I put the shiny side down, 
> as the texture of the emulsion *might* affect sharpness at high scan 
> resolutions.
> Scan at a resolution high enough to give you a reasonable print capability: 
> for example, if you want a 10x8 inch print from a 35mm slide, scan at 2400 or 
> 3200 dpi.
> All dust and scratch elimination software tends to soften the image scanned: 
> I prefer to use PS (or software of your choice) for post-process sharpening. 
> The ICE technology in the Epson software I find useless in that regard.
> In post-processing, sharpen first then deal with dust and scratches: if you 
> do it the other way around, the sharpening will reveal yet more flaws!
> Both programs will restore faded colour quite effectively, but may generate a 
> bad colour cast if the original is really badly faded: slight fading is 
> recoverable.
> There is not much you can do with a really awful shot!

Very helpful, John. I take you to be saying you prefer Photoshop for sharpening 
and dust and scratch removal. Could that be done in Lightroom as well? My 
experience with Epson Scan has mostly been frustrating. Not so VueScan.

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Re: Scanning slides

[Eric Weir]

> On May 5, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Silverfast is good software, but costs a lot and doesn't do anything any 
> better than VueScan. It *might* have a slightly easier user interface for 
> some things. It is also licensed as specific to a particular scanner, rather 
> than able to be used with as many different scanners as it can support like 
> VueScan does. 
> 
> The dust and scratch elimination tools are useful but aren't always perfect 
> and sometimes cannot work. They work best on dye emulsions like E4 slides and 
> C41 negatives; they are poor when operating on traditional B film and 
> Kodachrome 25 because the silver grains and pigments in these films are not 
> transparent to IR. (In E4 and C41 films, the silver grains have been replaced 
> by dye blobs.)
> 
> Used in a flat bed scanner, the emulsion side of negative or positive images 
> should face the scanning element. Of course, with any useful image processing 
> software, you can flip images on both axes any way you want so it really 
> doesn't matter much: just adjust them until you get right side up and left to 
> right correct if you scan them in the wrong orientation.

Thanks, Godfrey. On all points. I’m pretty certain the film I used was Fuji 
Velvia. How would your dust and scratch removal comments apply to it?

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RE: Scanning slides

[Ken Waller]

MARK !
There is not much you can do with a really awful shot

A remarkable Mark.

-Original Message-
>From: jco...@iinet.net.au
>Sent: May 5, 2020 7:36 PM
>Subject: RE: Scanning slides
>
>I've recently scanned many scores of slides, negatives, and prints from both 
>my own work and others: some were shot on crap cameras and on slide film that 
>lost all it's colour after some years of poor storage. Others were more than 
>100 years old, and in very poor condition.
>From my own experience:
>I prefer Epson software for 35mm and MF: I found the interface easier to use 
>and it has most of the adjustment options that VueScan does.
>VueScan has a small menu  selection of the film used to shoot the original, 
>Epson only allows choices between slides, and B or colour negative types.
>VueScan is the only choice, between the two, for APS film, as it finds the 
>frame borders accurately, whereas the Epson does not.  Neither is very good 
>with the sub-APS formats.
>I haven't noticed a lot of difference between scanning emulsion side down or 
>up, to be honest.  With both slides and negatives, I put the shiny side down, 
>as the texture of the emulsion *might* affect sharpness at high scan 
>resolutions.
>Scan at a resolution high enough to give you a reasonable print capability: 
>for example, if you want a 10x8 inch print from a 35mm slide, scan at 2400 or 
>3200 dpi.
>All dust and scratch elimination software tends to soften the image scanned: I 
>prefer to use PS (or software of your choice) for post-process sharpening. The 
>ICE technology in the Epson software I find useless in that regard.
>In post-processing, sharpen first then deal with dust and scratches: if you do 
>it the other way around, the sharpening will reveal yet more flaws!
>Both programs will restore faded colour quite effectively, but may generate a 
>bad colour cast if the original is really badly faded: slight fading is 
>recoverable.
>There is not much you can do with a really awful shot!
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>
>John in Brisbane
>
>
> 
>
>-Original Message-----
>From: PDML  On Behalf Of Eric Weir
>Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:47 AM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Scanning slides
>
>
>Emerging from lurking to ask for help.
>
>A couple days ago I got out a shoebox of slides from a trip to Russia 20 years 
>ago. A few were shown to the group I traveled with a month or so after we 
>returned home. Other than that I have done nothing with them. As a result I am 
>unable to identify many of the subjects and scenes. Nevertheless, some are 
>interesting, if not good photography. (They were shot with a Pentax K1000 and 
>a fast 50mm lens, the only lens I took on the trip. Not sure of the film. Best 
>guess is Fuji Velvia 100.) 
>
>I would like to start scanning a selection of the slides. I have an Epson 
>Perfection V500 Photo scanner. I have always found the Epson scanning software 
>difficult. I recently forked over $100 for a VueScan license and have found it 
>much easier to work with. That said, yesterday I watched a video demonstrating 
>scanning with SilverFast and was impressed. Among other things, It can 
>eliminate dust and scratches, do color correction, and scans to a Raw file. 
>And the price is reasonable. I’d appreciate opinions on SilverFast vs. VueScan
>
>I have no experience scanning slides. one question is how to orient the slides 
>in the scanner, i.e., which side of the film should be up and which down. My 
>slides have the date and frame number on one side and “this side toward 
>screen.” should that side face up or down on the scanning table?
>
>Random comments or advice about scanning slides would be welcome too.
>
>Thanks,
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RE: Scanning slides

[jcoyle]

I've recently scanned many scores of slides, negatives, and prints from both my 
own work and others: some were shot on crap cameras and on slide film that lost 
all it's colour after some years of poor storage. Others were more than 100 
years old, and in very poor condition.
From my own experience:
I prefer Epson software for 35mm and MF: I found the interface easier to use 
and it has most of the adjustment options that VueScan does.
VueScan has a small menu  selection of the film used to shoot the original, 
Epson only allows choices between slides, and B or colour negative types.
VueScan is the only choice, between the two, for APS film, as it finds the 
frame borders accurately, whereas the Epson does not.  Neither is very good 
with the sub-APS formats.
I haven't noticed a lot of difference between scanning emulsion side down or 
up, to be honest.  With both slides and negatives, I put the shiny side down, 
as the texture of the emulsion *might* affect sharpness at high scan 
resolutions.
Scan at a resolution high enough to give you a reasonable print capability: for 
example, if you want a 10x8 inch print from a 35mm slide, scan at 2400 or 3200 
dpi.
All dust and scratch elimination software tends to soften the image scanned: I 
prefer to use PS (or software of your choice) for post-process sharpening. The 
ICE technology in the Epson software I find useless in that regard.
In post-processing, sharpen first then deal with dust and scratches: if you do 
it the other way around, the sharpening will reveal yet more flaws!
Both programs will restore faded colour quite effectively, but may generate a 
bad colour cast if the original is really badly faded: slight fading is 
recoverable.
There is not much you can do with a really awful shot!

Hope this helps,


John in Brisbane


 

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Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:47 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Subject: Scanning slides


Emerging from lurking to ask for help.

A couple days ago I got out a shoebox of slides from a trip to Russia 20 years 
ago. A few were shown to the group I traveled with a month or so after we 
returned home. Other than that I have done nothing with them. As a result I am 
unable to identify many of the subjects and scenes. Nevertheless, some are 
interesting, if not good photography. (They were shot with a Pentax K1000 and a 
fast 50mm lens, the only lens I took on the trip. Not sure of the film. Best 
guess is Fuji Velvia 100.) 

I would like to start scanning a selection of the slides. I have an Epson 
Perfection V500 Photo scanner. I have always found the Epson scanning software 
difficult. I recently forked over $100 for a VueScan license and have found it 
much easier to work with. That said, yesterday I watched a video demonstrating 
scanning with SilverFast and was impressed. Among other things, It can 
eliminate dust and scratches, do color correction, and scans to a Raw file. And 
the price is reasonable. I’d appreciate opinions on SilverFast vs. VueScan

I have no experience scanning slides. one question is how to orient the slides 
in the scanner, i.e., which side of the film should be up and which down. My 
slides have the date and frame number on one side and “this side toward 
screen.” should that side face up or down on the scanning table?

Random comments or advice about scanning slides would be welcome too.

Thanks,
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Re: Scanning slides

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Silverfast is good software, but costs a lot and doesn't do anything any better 
than VueScan. It *might* have a slightly easier user interface for some things. 
It is also licensed as specific to a particular scanner, rather than able to be 
used with as many different scanners as it can support like VueScan does. 

The dust and scratch elimination tools are useful but aren't always perfect and 
sometimes cannot work. They work best on dye emulsions like E4 slides and C41 
negatives; they are poor when operating on traditional B film and Kodachrome 
25 because the silver grains and pigments in these films are not transparent to 
IR. (In E4 and C41 films, the silver grains have been replaced by dye blobs.)

Used in a flat bed scanner, the emulsion side of negative or positive images 
should face the scanning element. Of course, with any useful image processing 
software, you can flip images on both axes any way you want so it really 
doesn't matter much: just adjust them until you get right side up and left to 
right correct if you scan them in the wrong orientation. 

G

> On May 5, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
> Emerging from lurking to ask for help.
> 
> A couple days ago I got out a shoebox of slides from a trip to Russia 20 
> years ago. A few were shown to the group I traveled with a month or so after 
> we returned home. Other than that I have done nothing with them. As a result 
> I am unable to identify many of the subjects and scenes. Nevertheless, some 
> are interesting, if not good photography. (They were shot with a Pentax K1000 
> and a fast 50mm lens, the only lens I took on the trip. Not sure of the film. 
> Best guess is Fuji Velvia 100.) 
> 
> I would like to start scanning a selection of the slides. I have an Epson 
> Perfection V500 Photo scanner. I have always found the Epson scanning 
> software difficult. I recently forked over $100 for a VueScan license and 
> have found it much easier to work with. That said, yesterday I watched a 
> video demonstrating scanning with SilverFast and was impressed. Among other 
> things, It can eliminate dust and scratches, do color correction, and scans 
> to a Raw file. And the price is reasonable. I’d appreciate opinions on 
> SilverFast vs. VueScan
> 
> I have no experience scanning slides. one question is how to orient the 
> slides in the scanner, i.e., which side of the film should be up and which 
> down. My slides have the date and frame number on one side and “this side 
> toward screen.” should that side face up or down on the scanning table?
> 
> Random comments or advice about scanning slides would be welcome too.
> 
> Thanks,
> --
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Re: Scanning slides

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> On May 5, 2020, at 11:13 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> Vuescan does all that - dust/scratch elimination, color correction and will 
> scan to raw (DNG)
> 
> I'm pretty sure the side that says "This Side Toward Screen" goes down. 
> That's the emulsion side and if it's up the scan image ends up reversed.
> 
> I found the VueScan interface easier to set up & use.

Thanks, John. Guess I’ll stick with VueScan. It’s sure a lot easier than 
Epson’s software. Thanks especially for the comment on orientation of the slide 
in the scanner.

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Re: Scanning slides

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> On May 5, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 05.05.20 um 16:47 schrieb Eric Weir:
> 
>> That said, yesterday I watched a video demonstrating scanning with 
>> SilverFast and was impressed. Among other things, It can eliminate dust and 
>> scratches, do color correction, and scans to a Raw file.
> 
> Nothing Vuescan can't do.
> 
> There isn't much of a point in converting scan data to a Bayer matrix
> and then de-matrix them again.
> 
>> And the price is reasonable.
> 
> That price only includes this particular version for one scanner model.
> Other scanners or later updates aren't free. With Vuescan they are.

Thanks, Ralf. Especially on points one and three. I had to do a web search 
regarding the second. Way over my head. Was it a comment about SilverFast? 
About scanning to RAW. Does it have relevance to scanning with VueScan?

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Re: Scanning slides

[John]

On 5/5/2020 10:47:09, Eric Weir wrote:


Emerging from lurking to ask for help.

A couple days ago I got out a shoebox of slides from a trip to Russia 20
years ago. A few were shown to the group I traveled with a month or so after
we returned home. Other than that I have done nothing with them. As a result
I am unable to identify many of the subjects and scenes. Nevertheless, some
are interesting, if not good photography. (They were shot with a Pentax K1000
and a fast 50mm lens, the only lens I took on the trip. Not sure of the film.
Best guess is Fuji Velvia 100.)

I would like to start scanning a selection of the slides. I have an Epson
Perfection V500 Photo scanner. I have always found the Epson scanning
software difficult. I recently forked over $100 for a VueScan license and
have found it much easier to work with. That said, yesterday I watched a
video demonstrating scanning with SilverFast and was impressed. Among other
things, It can eliminate dust and scratches, do color correction, and scans
to a Raw file. And the price is reasonable. I’d appreciate opinions on
SilverFast vs. VueScan

I have no experience scanning slides. one question is how to orient the
slides in the scanner, i.e., which side of the film should be up and which
down. My slides have the date and frame number on one side and “this side
toward screen.” should that side face up or down on the scanning table?

Random comments or advice about scanning slides would be welcome too.

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Vuescan does all that - dust/scratch elimination, color correction and will scan 
to raw (DNG)


I'm pretty sure the side that says "This Side Toward Screen" goes down. That's 
the emulsion side and if it's up the scan image ends up reversed.


I found the VueScan interface easier to set up & use.

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Re: Scanning slides

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 05.05.20 um 16:47 schrieb Eric Weir:


That said, yesterday I watched a video demonstrating scanning with SilverFast 
and was impressed. Among other things, It can eliminate dust and scratches, do 
color correction, and scans to a Raw file.


Nothing Vuescan can't do.

There isn't much of a point in converting scan data to a Bayer matrix
and then de-matrix them again.


And the price is reasonable.


That price only includes this particular version for one scanner model.
Other scanners or later updates aren't free. With Vuescan they are.

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Scanning slides

[Eric Weir]

Emerging from lurking to ask for help.

A couple days ago I got out a shoebox of slides from a trip to Russia 20 years 
ago. A few were shown to the group I traveled with a month or so after we 
returned home. Other than that I have done nothing with them. As a result I am 
unable to identify many of the subjects and scenes. Nevertheless, some are 
interesting, if not good photography. (They were shot with a Pentax K1000 and a 
fast 50mm lens, the only lens I took on the trip. Not sure of the film. Best 
guess is Fuji Velvia 100.) 

I would like to start scanning a selection of the slides. I have an Epson 
Perfection V500 Photo scanner. I have always found the Epson scanning software 
difficult. I recently forked over $100 for a VueScan license and have found it 
much easier to work with. That said, yesterday I watched a video demonstrating 
scanning with SilverFast and was impressed. Among other things, It can 
eliminate dust and scratches, do color correction, and scans to a Raw file. And 
the price is reasonable. I’d appreciate opinions on SilverFast vs. VueScan

I have no experience scanning slides. one question is how to orient the slides 
in the scanner, i.e., which side of the film should be up and which down. My 
slides have the date and frame number on one side and “this side toward 
screen.” should that side face up or down on the scanning table?

Random comments or advice about scanning slides would be welcome too.

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Re: Scanning old negs

[Paul Stenquist]

Add an OSBLO and you can use it to spy on your neighbors.

Paul

> On Apr 19, 2020, at 7:15 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> It’s amazing what can be done with a NOOKY and a WINKO, but you’ll need a 
> WICAP afterwards.
> 
>> On 19 Apr 2020, at 11:18, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> On 18/4/20, Bob Pdml, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> I have my eye on a BEOON
>> 
>> MARK
>> 
>> Sheesh these Leitz dudes were smoking some good stuff one day.
>> 
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Re: Scanning old negs

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On 19/4/20, Bob Pdml, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's amazing what can be done with a NOOKY and a WINKO, but you'll need
>a WICAP afterwards.

You could get a job with Ikea.

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Re: Scanning old negs

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It’s amazing what can be done with a NOOKY and a WINKO, but you’ll need a WICAP 
afterwards.

> On 19 Apr 2020, at 11:18, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 18/4/20, Bob Pdml, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I have my eye on a BEOON
> 
> MARK
> 
> Sheesh these Leitz dudes were smoking some good stuff one day.
> 
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> 
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Re: Scanning old negs

[Steve Cottrell]

On 18/4/20, Bob Pdml, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I have my eye on a BEOON

MARK

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Re: Scanning old negs

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Thanks Alistair. I think i could get PS through my CC subscription, but it may 
be better for me to make a preset for LR when I’ve figured it out - I want to 
make the process as easily one-clickable as I can all within LR. I’ve seen some 
stuff on youtube which shows how to do it, I just need to give it a try.

> On 19 Apr 2020, at 08:51, Alastair Robertson  wrote:
> 
> reversing the colours is a single click in Photoshop if you have that Bob
> 
> Alastair
> 
>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 09:49, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 18.04.20 um 23:14 schrieb Bob Pdml:
>>> That’s interesting because the light panel I bought is a Kaiser. It was
>> shipped from Muenster on Tuesday, spent two nights in different towns in
>> Germany, arrived in the UK yesterday, and was delivered to me today.
>> 
>> Most Germans could write books about the mess the whole German parcel
>> business has been in for years. Things went from bad to worse when
>> Amazon started their Prime scheme and their parcels now have to be given
>> priority. Whenever the driver sees that things are getting a little
>> tight on the day, he simply stops delivering all the other parcels and
>> takes them back to his depot at the end of his shift. This way, the
>> online tracking may show that your non Amazon Prime parcel  passes in
>> front of your door for several days before it's finally delivered. Or
>> things simply don't move somewhere along the way for a week and then
>> magically reappear.
>> 
>> Our supermarket chains also offer home delivery. You can chose on their
>> websites when you want your stuff to arrive. The earliest available
>> dates are currently in two to three weeks.
>> 
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Re: Scanning old negs

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reversing the colours is a single click in Photoshop if you have that Bob

Alastair

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> Am 18.04.20 um 23:14 schrieb Bob Pdml:
> > That’s interesting because the light panel I bought is a Kaiser. It was
> shipped from Muenster on Tuesday, spent two nights in different towns in
> Germany, arrived in the UK yesterday, and was delivered to me today.
>
> Most Germans could write books about the mess the whole German parcel
> business has been in for years. Things went from bad to worse when
> Amazon started their Prime scheme and their parcels now have to be given
> priority. Whenever the driver sees that things are getting a little
> tight on the day, he simply stops delivering all the other parcels and
> takes them back to his depot at the end of his shift. This way, the
> online tracking may show that your non Amazon Prime parcel  passes in
> front of your door for several days before it's finally delivered. Or
> things simply don't move somewhere along the way for a week and then
> magically reappear.
>
> Our supermarket chains also offer home delivery. You can chose on their
> websites when you want your stuff to arrive. The earliest available
> dates are currently in two to three weeks.
>
> Ralf
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Re: Scanning old negs

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Am 18.04.20 um 23:14 schrieb Bob Pdml:

That’s interesting because the light panel I bought is a Kaiser. It was 
shipped from Muenster on Tuesday, spent two nights in different towns in 
Germany, arrived in the UK yesterday, and was delivered to me today.


Most Germans could write books about the mess the whole German parcel
business has been in for years. Things went from bad to worse when
Amazon started their Prime scheme and their parcels now have to be given
priority. Whenever the driver sees that things are getting a little
tight on the day, he simply stops delivering all the other parcels and
takes them back to his depot at the end of his shift. This way, the
online tracking may show that your non Amazon Prime parcel  passes in
front of your door for several days before it's finally delivered. Or
things simply don't move somewhere along the way for a week and then
magically reappear.

Our supermarket chains also offer home delivery. You can chose on their
websites when you want your stuff to arrive. The earliest available
dates are currently in two to three weeks.

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Re: Scanning old negs

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That’s interesting because the light panel I bought is a Kaiser. It was 
shipped from Muenster on Tuesday, spent two nights in different towns in 
Germany, arrived in the UK yesterday, and was delivered to me today.

> On 18 Apr 2020, at 21:48, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> 
> Don't hold your breath, though. Parcels take ages right now, over here.
> The monitor I've bought over two weeks ago is still on the way from
> Berlin to Cologne.
> 
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Re: Scanning old negs

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Am 18.04.20 um 22:37 schrieb Bob Pdml:

I have my eye on a BEOON - just waiting for the shop to re-open...


I've bought a used Durst F30 enlarger on ebay. The head can be removed
and there's an ordinary 1/4" screw behind it, so the camera can be
mounted without any further modification.

Also in the mail is a reversal ring PK to 49 mm. I'll report as soon as
all has arrived.

Don't hold your breath, though. Parcels take ages right now, over here.
The monitor I've bought over two weeks ago is still on the way from
Berlin to Cologne.

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I have my eye on a BEOON - just waiting for the shop to re-open...

> On 18 Apr 2020, at 21:13, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> That's a very interesting approach, Bob! I'll be interested to see what kind 
> of results you get from it. 
> 
> I have a similar device for my Minox 8x11 and 35GT-E cameras. I hadn't 
> thought of adapting the device to one of my digital cameras for use scanning 
> sheets of negatives. 
> 
> I do have the Leica BEOON … essentially a small, dedicated copystand for 
> Leica M with extension rings enabling you to use a 50mm lens and capture 1:1, 
> 1:1.5, 1:2, and 1:3 sized negatives (or positives) with a 50mm lens. It works 
> remarkably well with a Summicron-M 50mm or Color Skopar 50mm lens, stopped 
> down to f/11, and includes a focusing viewfinder (because it presumes a Leica 
> M or LTM body without TTL viewing). I've used it on a number of negative 
> captures, adapted to Sony A7, Leica M-P, and Leica M-D bodies and it does a 
> very nice job. Hmm: I should try it for singleton captures of 35mm film 
> frames using the CL body at the 1:1.5 magnification setting. It might crop a 
> little on a 35mm negative or slide. It'll be a fun exercise.
> 
> G
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>> 
>> The BOOWU-M arrived about 10 minutes ago, so after a brief moment of 
>> confusion until I realised I had to remove the lens head from the 50mm, I 
>> took a first snap. This is with the A4 attachment, shot in window light at 
>> f8, aperture priority. The full frame with no post production. The book is 
>> larger than A4 which is why it’s skewed. It was very quickly done - very 
>> old-skool but quick and effective.
>> 
>> https://adobe.ly/2xB5oEx
>> 
>> A nice led light panel is on its way to me, so I shall try a page of negs 
>> and slides when it arrives.
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>> 
>> ...As well as a scanner I have a cunning plan. 
>> 
>> I have just bought on ebay a BOOWU-M (later BOWUM), which is a very old 
>> skool Leitz copy stand on legs, set up for use with a 50mm lens, with which 
>> you can copy documents of A4, A5 or A6 format. Pentax used to sell something 
>> similar.
>> 
>> I can attach to this my Leica typ 262 with the 50mm Summicron, plonk it on a 
>> large enough light table above the page of negs/slides, mask off any excess 
>> light, and bad-a-bing - with the self-timer as the typ 262 can’t be tethered 
>> to LR.
>> 
>> I also have the M adapter for my micro-4/3rds camera, so I could also try 
>> that, but tethered to LR.
>> 
>> Watch this space.
>> 
>> B
>> 
> 
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Re: Scanning old negs

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That's a very interesting approach, Bob! I'll be interested to see what kind of 
results you get from it. 

I have a similar device for my Minox 8x11 and 35GT-E cameras. I hadn't thought 
of adapting the device to one of my digital cameras for use scanning sheets of 
negatives. 

I do have the Leica BEOON … essentially a small, dedicated copystand for Leica 
M with extension rings enabling you to use a 50mm lens and capture 1:1, 1:1.5, 
1:2, and 1:3 sized negatives (or positives) with a 50mm lens. It works 
remarkably well with a Summicron-M 50mm or Color Skopar 50mm lens, stopped down 
to f/11, and includes a focusing viewfinder (because it presumes a Leica M or 
LTM body without TTL viewing). I've used it on a number of negative captures, 
adapted to Sony A7, Leica M-P, and Leica M-D bodies and it does a very nice 
job. Hmm: I should try it for singleton captures of 35mm film frames using the 
CL body at the 1:1.5 magnification setting. It might crop a little on a 35mm 
negative or slide. It'll be a fun exercise.

G

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> The BOOWU-M arrived about 10 minutes ago, so after a brief moment of 
> confusion until I realised I had to remove the lens head from the 50mm, I 
> took a first snap. This is with the A4 attachment, shot in window light at 
> f8, aperture priority. The full frame with no post production. The book is 
> larger than A4 which is why it’s skewed. It was very quickly done - very 
> old-skool but quick and effective.
> 
> https://adobe.ly/2xB5oEx
> 
> A nice led light panel is on its way to me, so I shall try a page of negs and 
> slides when it arrives.

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> ...As well as a scanner I have a cunning plan. 
> 
> I have just bought on ebay a BOOWU-M (later BOWUM), which is a very old skool 
> Leitz copy stand on legs, set up for use with a 50mm lens, with which you can 
> copy documents of A4, A5 or A6 format. Pentax used to sell something similar.
> 
> I can attach to this my Leica typ 262 with the 50mm Summicron, plonk it on a 
> large enough light table above the page of negs/slides, mask off any excess 
> light, and bad-a-bing - with the self-timer as the typ 262 can’t be tethered 
> to LR.
> 
> I also have the M adapter for my micro-4/3rds camera, so I could also try 
> that, but tethered to LR.
> 
> Watch this space.
> 
> B
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Re: Scanning old negs

[Bob Pdml]

The BOOWU-M arrived about 10 minutes ago, so after a brief moment of confusion 
until I realised I had to remove the lens head from the 50mm, I took a first 
snap. This is with the A4 attachment, shot in window light at f8, aperture 
priority. The full frame with no post production. The book is larger than A4 
which is why it’s skewed. It was very quickly done - very old-skool but quick 
and effective.

https://adobe.ly/2xB5oEx

A nice led light panel is on its way to me, so I shall try a page of negs and 
slides when it arrives.

> On 13 Apr 2020, at 19:43, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Good luck with that. I have a film scanner, but want to scan whole sheets. 
> 
> As well as a scanner I have a cunning plan. 
> 
> I have just bought on ebay a BOOWU-M (later BOWUM), which is a very old skool 
> Leitz copy stand on legs, set up for use with a 50mm lens, with which you can 
> copy documents of A4, A5 or A6 format. Pentax used to sell something similar.
> 
> I can attach to this my Leica typ 262 with the 50mm Summicron, plonk it on a 
> large enough light table above the page of negs/slides, mask off any excess 
> light, and bad-a-bing - with the self-timer as the typ 262 can’t be tethered 
> to LR.
> 
> I also have the M adapter for my micro-4/3rds camera, so I could also try 
> that, but tethered to LR.
> 
> Watch this space.
> 
> B
> 
>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 15:24, Dale H. Cook  wrote:
>> 
>> My brother bought a used slide scanner, and when he finishes scanning his 
>> slides he will ship it to me. I didn't ask what make or model it is, but he 
>> said it has carriers for a few sizes of film including 35mm. I probably 
>> won't have it here for another month or two, but when I do I will have a 
>> stab at my Tri-X and Plus-X negatives and will report on the results.
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Re: Scanning old negs

[John]

On 4/15/2020 08:30:25, Dale H. Cook wrote:

On 4/13/2020 2:43 PM, Bob Pdml wrote:


As well as a scanner I have a cunning plan.


Too bad you don't have an extended family of Scottish people with atrocious 
senses of humor - then you would have a punning clan.


You're new around here aren't ya?

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Re: Scanning old negs

[Dale H. Cook]

On 4/13/2020 2:43 PM, Bob Pdml wrote:


As well as a scanner I have a cunning plan.


Too bad you don't have an extended family of Scottish people with 
atrocious senses of humor - then you would have a punning clan.

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Re: Scanning old negs

[John]

On 4/12/2020 14:30:38, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 12/4/20, John, discombobulated, unleashed:


I expect you could find one of those Paterson frames on eBay & sweet
talk Cotty
into converting the base to hold a light panel for you.


I'd just suggest one of these. make things easy...




Where do you hook up the inert gas?



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Re: Scanning old negs

[Bob Pdml]

Good luck with that. I have a film scanner, but want to scan whole sheets. 

As well as a scanner I have a cunning plan. 

I have just bought on ebay a BOOWU-M (later BOWUM), which is a very old skool 
Leitz copy stand on legs, set up for use with a 50mm lens, with which you can 
copy documents of A4, A5 or A6 format. Pentax used to sell something similar.

I can attach to this my Leica typ 262 with the 50mm Summicron, plonk it on a 
large enough light table above the page of negs/slides, mask off any excess 
light, and bad-a-bing - with the self-timer as the typ 262 can’t be tethered to 
LR.

I also have the M adapter for my micro-4/3rds camera, so I could also try that, 
but tethered to LR.

Watch this space.

B

> On 13 Apr 2020, at 15:24, Dale H. Cook  wrote:
> 
> My brother bought a used slide scanner, and when he finishes scanning his 
> slides he will ship it to me. I didn't ask what make or model it is, but he 
> said it has carriers for a few sizes of film including 35mm. I probably won't 
> have it here for another month or two, but when I do I will have a stab at my 
> Tri-X and Plus-X negatives and will report on the results.
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Re: Scanning old negs

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My brother bought a used slide scanner, and when he finishes scanning 
his slides he will ship it to me. I didn't ask what make or model it is, 
but he said it has carriers for a few sizes of film including 35mm. I 
probably won't have it here for another month or two, but when I do I 
will have a stab at my Tri-X and Plus-X negatives and will report on the 
results.

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Re: Scanning old negs

[Steve Cottrell]

On 12/4/20, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I expect you could find one of those Paterson frames on eBay & sweet
>talk Cotty 
>into converting the base to hold a light panel for you.

I'd just suggest one of these. make things easy...





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Re: Scanning old negs

[Bob Pdml]

That would be like asking an arsonist to light candles in Notre Dame

> On 12 Apr 2020, at 19:01, John  wrote:
> 
> I expect you could find one of those Paterson frames on eBay & sweet talk 
> Cotty into converting the base to hold a light panel for you.
> 
>> On 4/10/2020 16:59:16, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>>> Am 10.04.20 um 21:54 schrieb Bob Pdml:
>>> now that I think of it, I’m sure I used some sort of hinged frame with 
>>> glass in at one time.
>> Probably the ubiquitous Paterson contact printer:
>> https://www.macodirect.de/en/darkroom/paper-developing/masking-contact-printing-frames/5871/paterson-proof-printer-contact-printing-frame-for-35mm-negatives
>>  To use one of these for scanning, you would of course have to remove the
>> base and place the top on a lightbox.
>> Another one which I have used with various flatbed scanners was the Jobo
>> 6835 contact printer. That one was glassless and had slots for the film
>> strips.
>> I should be having both in my basement lab but what used to be my
>> beautiful lab...
>> https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2015/07/die-gute-alte-zeit.html
>> has become a dump for all kinds of stuff and since we've had to clear
>> out my mother's flat when she went to live in an old peoples' home, I
>> can't even get inside any more and have to send Michael down whenever I
>> need something from there.
>> Come to think of it, there should even be a repro stand, but no-one
>> knows where... *sigh*
>> Ralf
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Re: Scanning old negs

[John]

I expect you could find one of those Paterson frames on eBay & sweet talk Cotty 
into converting the base to hold a light panel for you.


On 4/10/2020 16:59:16, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 10.04.20 um 21:54 schrieb Bob Pdml:

now that I think of it, I’m sure I used some sort of hinged frame with glass 
in at one time.


Probably the ubiquitous Paterson contact printer:

https://www.macodirect.de/en/darkroom/paper-developing/masking-contact-printing-frames/5871/paterson-proof-printer-contact-printing-frame-for-35mm-negatives 



To use one of these for scanning, you would of course have to remove the
base and place the top on a lightbox.

Another one which I have used with various flatbed scanners was the Jobo
6835 contact printer. That one was glassless and had slots for the film
strips.

I should be having both in my basement lab but what used to be my
beautiful lab...

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2015/07/die-gute-alte-zeit.html

has become a dump for all kinds of stuff and since we've had to clear
out my mother's flat when she went to live in an old peoples' home, I
can't even get inside any more and have to send Michael down whenever I
need something from there.

Come to think of it, there should even be a repro stand, but no-one
knows where... *sigh*

Ralf

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Re: Scanning old negs

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On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:23:36AM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks Godfrey. Lots to mull over. I thought about that mixed density issue 
> > yesterday evening. Problem is, to try these ideas at the moment i???d have 
> > to buy a full set-up, since nowhere is open like a photo club where i could 
> > experiment. I???m very reluctant to spend money at the moment as there???s 
> > a good chance i could be furloughed - they???ve already started at work - 
> > and although they are making people???s pay up to 100% (at the moment) and 
> > I am ready to draw my pension anyway, there is so much uncertainty around 
> > that I am only spending on absolute necessities until the picture is a bit 
> > clearer.
> 
> 
> You are so much more grownup than I am.  My thought processes generally go 
> more like:
> 
> I???m worried about losing my job, I should buy these things while I still 
> can.

My wife will be retiring at the end of the year - I'm already retired.
We're definitely in the "trying to avoid too much spending while our
retirement investment portfolio (hopefully) recovers" category.

I am considering one significant purchase, though; I'll probably be buying
a new camera of some kind.  Until recently I'd only been contemplating the
new Pentax APS-C flagship (assuming it ever gets released).  But an outing
with Larry & Boris made me realise that I'm getting a bit too old to lug a
heavy bag full of lenses and suchlike around. That made me look at what it
would cost me to switch over to something lighter; the Olympus E-M1 Mk III
and a few matching lenses.  Fortunately I unexpectedly landed a short-term
job at the end of last year, so the funds have already been set aside.

It will be a while before I come to any firm decision.  But if I do decide
to go the Olympus route there'll probably be a few Pentax lenses for sale.


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Re: Scanning old negs

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I'd play with the copy camera type of scanning ideas using whatever you have 
currently to start. A "copy stand" can be your existing tripod, if you have a 
normal lens and a couple of close up lenses, that can get you into the right 
magnification range. It's sometimes amazing the quality you can get with just 
that kind of stuff. :) Obviously, if you want to go with a scanner solution, 
you have to buy that piece of equipment. 

Yeah, current times throws a lot of uncertainty into the game. Being 
financially conservative now makes good sense. I'm glad I made cash outlay for 
the big purchases that came earlier this year in the middle of last Summer, 
when the market was high. 

G

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Godfrey. Lots to mull over. I thought about that mixed density issue 
> yesterday evening. Problem is, to try these ideas at the moment i’d have to 
> buy a full set-up, since nowhere is open like a photo club where i could 
> experiment. I’m very reluctant to spend money at the moment as there’s a good 
> chance i could be furloughed - they’ve already started at work - and although 
> they are making people’s pay up to 100% (at the moment) and I am ready to 
> draw my pension anyway, there is so much uncertainty around that I am only 
> spending on absolute necessities until the picture is a bit clearer.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bob


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Re: Scanning old negs

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I haven't tried that particular Epson scanner, Paul. But at that price, and the 
inevitable size that such a scanner has to be, it's both too big to have for 
the amount of use I have for it, and I don't believe it would produce 
sufficiently more resolution and consistency than the Nikon Coolscan V ED to be 
worth both its size and price. I'm sure it wouldn't outperform the Nikon Super 
Coolscan 9000 ED that I had for a time, and sold for the same reasons. That was 
the best film scanner I've ever used, modulo that same Hasselblad Imacon 
scanner (which I could rent time on at the local camera pro shop once upon a 
day.. the shop went out of business a few years ago). I had the Epson V700 Pro 
once upon a day too, and sold it because it just didn't net anything better 
than other scanners I had. My friend uses it quite happily still. 

Of course, the Nikon scanner is long out of production and only available used 
now, where the 850 Pro is available new. 

By and large, I would not take the published resolution numbers of the flatbed 
scanners as being actually achievable. I measured resolution on the V700 and my 
ancient Epson 2450 and found the actual resolution on the V700 was only 2900 
PPI and the 2450's 1800 ppi (supposed to achieve something like 2900 ppi by the 
specs IIRC). Measured resolution on the Nikon Coolscan V actually achieves 3950 
ppi (spec: 4000 ppi). 

I never bought the Imacon scanner either because of its price…  :)

G


> On Apr 11, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> The Epson 850 Pro offers extremely high resolution, “glass” film holders and 
> fine focus adjustment by means of the film holders. I’ve tried numerous 
> dedicated film scanners, including most of Nikon’s. The only one Ive used 
> that outperformed the 850 Pro was a Hasselblad Imacon scanner. But at about 
> 8k it’s too rich for my blood. The Epson 850 Pro isn’t exactly cheap. I think 
> it goes for about $1100.
> 
> Paul
> [… snip]

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Re: Scanning old negs

[Bob Pdml]

Thanks Paul, that looks as though it’s worth considering.

B

> On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:35, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> The Epson 850 Pro offers extremely high resolution, “glass” film holders and 
> fine focus adjustment by means of the film holders. I’ve tried numerous 
> dedicated film scanners, including most of Nikon’s. The only one Ive used 
> that outperformed the 850 Pro was a Hasselblad Imacon scanner. But at about 
> 8k it’s too rich for my blood. The Epson 850 Pro isn’t exactly cheap. I think 
> it goes for about $1100.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Godfrey. Lots to mull over. I thought about that mixed density issue 
>> yesterday evening. Problem is, to try these ideas at the moment i’d have to 
>> buy a full set-up, since nowhere is open like a photo club where i could 
>> experiment. I’m very reluctant to spend money at the moment as there’s a 
>> good chance i could be furloughed - they’ve already started at work - and 
>> although they are making people’s pay up to 100% (at the moment) and I am 
>> ready to draw my pension anyway, there is so much uncertainty around that I 
>> am only spending on absolute necessities until the picture is a bit clearer.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Bob
>> 
>>>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:42, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bob!
>>> 
>>> I do/have done quite a lot of negative, transparency, and small print 
>>> capture over the past thirty years using all sorts of scanners, copy camera 
>>> setups, and fixtures. I still shoot film in several formats—Minox to 6x9 
>>> plus instant film prints. Here's a brief synopsis of my thoughts:
>>> 
>>> - A dedicated film scanner nearly always produces better resolution and 
>>> detailing than any flatbed scanning solution, almost regardless of pixel 
>>> count, because any good one includes a focusing lens that will pinpoint the 
>>> correct focus accurately. Trying to obtain this precision with any flatbed 
>>> scanner is almost impossible, and is certainly quite a bit of work and 
>>> inconvenience. You can get this precision with a copy camera approach 
>>> presuming you take care in your focusing and have a reliable fixture for 
>>> camera and film that holds them in precise alignment.
>>> 
>>> - For smaller than 35mm film, generally speaking the copy camera approach 
>>> produces the best results for the simple reason that I can net a higher 
>>> pixel count that is more editable with a copy camera setup than I can with 
>>> a 4000 ppi film scanner, given today's DSLR and EVF cameras. For example, 
>>> given a 35mm original, an Olympus E-M1 can produce up to a 15.9 Mpixel 
>>> image BUT  since the format proportion is not isomorphic, the actual 
>>> negative scan data will be less than that. My Nikon Coolscan V ED (LS-50) 
>>> film scanner will net 21.4 Mpixels at the limit, a copy camera approach 
>>> with the Leica CL or SL will net 24 Mpixels. For Minox film, to show an 
>>> extreme, the scanner drops way down to 2.2 Mpixels but both cameras can do 
>>> nearly the same as they do with 35mm film. 
>>> 
>>> - For 35mm strips, it's a toss up now as to whether a good copy camera 
>>> approach or a good film scanner approach produces the best results. The key 
>>> problem with a dedicated scanner approach is how much time it takes to do 
>>> the job; the key problem with the copy camera approach is the quality of 
>>> the configuration, the time for setup, and how repeatable the configuration 
>>> is from frame to frame. You don't want to have to refocus for every frame 
>>> if you're doing volumes of negs with a copy camera … this is where 
>>> expensive fixtures like the Negative Supply film carrier make very good 
>>> sense despite their price. (Since I have the Nikon LS-50 and I don't shoot 
>>> 35mm all that much, I give up on the time for 35mm and just use the film 
>>> scanner. For medium format, where I really need to have a better fixture 
>>> and have worked a dozen different fixtures already with only middling 
>>> success/consistency, I've got a pledge/pre-order in place to get their film 
>>> carrier as soon as it gets to market. It will be the right solution, 
>>> finally; wish I could have produced one myself!)
>>> 
>>> - For me, the notion of scanning a whole roll of 35mm in one go and 
>>> producing a contact page of images to look at in a single scan is not 
>>> particularly useful. The variations in image

Re: Scanning old negs

[Paul Stenquist]

The Epson 850 Pro offers extremely high resolution, “glass” film holders and 
fine focus adjustment by means of the film holders. I’ve tried numerous 
dedicated film scanners, including most of Nikon’s. The only one Ive used that 
outperformed the 850 Pro was a Hasselblad Imacon scanner. But at about 8k it’s 
too rich for my blood. The Epson 850 Pro isn’t exactly cheap. I think it goes 
for about $1100.

Paul

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Godfrey. Lots to mull over. I thought about that mixed density issue 
> yesterday evening. Problem is, to try these ideas at the moment i’d have to 
> buy a full set-up, since nowhere is open like a photo club where i could 
> experiment. I’m very reluctant to spend money at the moment as there’s a good 
> chance i could be furloughed - they’ve already started at work - and although 
> they are making people’s pay up to 100% (at the moment) and I am ready to 
> draw my pension anyway, there is so much uncertainty around that I am only 
> spending on absolute necessities until the picture is a bit clearer.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bob
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:42, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bob!
>> 
>> I do/have done quite a lot of negative, transparency, and small print 
>> capture over the past thirty years using all sorts of scanners, copy camera 
>> setups, and fixtures. I still shoot film in several formats—Minox to 6x9 
>> plus instant film prints. Here's a brief synopsis of my thoughts:
>> 
>> - A dedicated film scanner nearly always produces better resolution and 
>> detailing than any flatbed scanning solution, almost regardless of pixel 
>> count, because any good one includes a focusing lens that will pinpoint the 
>> correct focus accurately. Trying to obtain this precision with any flatbed 
>> scanner is almost impossible, and is certainly quite a bit of work and 
>> inconvenience. You can get this precision with a copy camera approach 
>> presuming you take care in your focusing and have a reliable fixture for 
>> camera and film that holds them in precise alignment.
>> 
>> - For smaller than 35mm film, generally speaking the copy camera approach 
>> produces the best results for the simple reason that I can net a higher 
>> pixel count that is more editable with a copy camera setup than I can with a 
>> 4000 ppi film scanner, given today's DSLR and EVF cameras. For example, 
>> given a 35mm original, an Olympus E-M1 can produce up to a 15.9 Mpixel image 
>> BUT  since the format proportion is not isomorphic, the actual negative scan 
>> data will be less than that. My Nikon Coolscan V ED (LS-50) film scanner 
>> will net 21.4 Mpixels at the limit, a copy camera approach with the Leica CL 
>> or SL will net 24 Mpixels. For Minox film, to show an extreme, the scanner 
>> drops way down to 2.2 Mpixels but both cameras can do nearly the same as 
>> they do with 35mm film. 
>> 
>> - For 35mm strips, it's a toss up now as to whether a good copy camera 
>> approach or a good film scanner approach produces the best results. The key 
>> problem with a dedicated scanner approach is how much time it takes to do 
>> the job; the key problem with the copy camera approach is the quality of the 
>> configuration, the time for setup, and how repeatable the configuration is 
>> from frame to frame. You don't want to have to refocus for every frame if 
>> you're doing volumes of negs with a copy camera … this is where expensive 
>> fixtures like the Negative Supply film carrier make very good sense despite 
>> their price. (Since I have the Nikon LS-50 and I don't shoot 35mm all that 
>> much, I give up on the time for 35mm and just use the film scanner. For 
>> medium format, where I really need to have a better fixture and have worked 
>> a dozen different fixtures already with only middling success/consistency, 
>> I've got a pledge/pre-order in place to get their film carrier as soon as it 
>> gets to market. It will be the right solution, finally; wish I could have 
>> produced one myself!)
>> 
>> - For me, the notion of scanning a whole roll of 35mm in one go and 
>> producing a contact page of images to look at in a single scan is not 
>> particularly useful. The variations in image density, etc, through a roll of 
>> film makes it really tough to produce useable images that way that are 
>> consistently easy to view and assess for further work. I did that for my 
>> Minox negs and found the amount of time I had to put into adjusting each 
>> frame on the exposure to be a bigger time sink than just capturing each 
>> frame was with a consistent setup. For 35mm, when I wan

Re: Scanning old negs

[Larry Colen]

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Godfrey. Lots to mull over. I thought about that mixed density issue 
> yesterday evening. Problem is, to try these ideas at the moment i’d have to 
> buy a full set-up, since nowhere is open like a photo club where i could 
> experiment. I’m very reluctant to spend money at the moment as there’s a good 
> chance i could be furloughed - they’ve already started at work - and although 
> they are making people’s pay up to 100% (at the moment) and I am ready to 
> draw my pension anyway, there is so much uncertainty around that I am only 
> spending on absolute necessities until the picture is a bit clearer.


You are so much more grownup than I am.  My thought processes generally go more 
like:

I’m worried about losing my job, I should buy these things while I still can.

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Re: Scanning old negs

[Bob Pdml]

Thanks Godfrey. Lots to mull over. I thought about that mixed density issue 
yesterday evening. Problem is, to try these ideas at the moment i’d have to buy 
a full set-up, since nowhere is open like a photo club where i could 
experiment. I’m very reluctant to spend money at the moment as there’s a good 
chance i could be furloughed - they’ve already started at work - and although 
they are making people’s pay up to 100% (at the moment) and I am ready to draw 
my pension anyway, there is so much uncertainty around that I am only spending 
on absolute necessities until the picture is a bit clearer.

Cheers,
Bob

> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:42, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob!
> 
> I do/have done quite a lot of negative, transparency, and small print capture 
> over the past thirty years using all sorts of scanners, copy camera setups, 
> and fixtures. I still shoot film in several formats—Minox to 6x9 plus instant 
> film prints. Here's a brief synopsis of my thoughts:
> 
> - A dedicated film scanner nearly always produces better resolution and 
> detailing than any flatbed scanning solution, almost regardless of pixel 
> count, because any good one includes a focusing lens that will pinpoint the 
> correct focus accurately. Trying to obtain this precision with any flatbed 
> scanner is almost impossible, and is certainly quite a bit of work and 
> inconvenience. You can get this precision with a copy camera approach 
> presuming you take care in your focusing and have a reliable fixture for 
> camera and film that holds them in precise alignment.
> 
> - For smaller than 35mm film, generally speaking the copy camera approach 
> produces the best results for the simple reason that I can net a higher pixel 
> count that is more editable with a copy camera setup than I can with a 4000 
> ppi film scanner, given today's DSLR and EVF cameras. For example, given a 
> 35mm original, an Olympus E-M1 can produce up to a 15.9 Mpixel image BUT  
> since the format proportion is not isomorphic, the actual negative scan data 
> will be less than that. My Nikon Coolscan V ED (LS-50) film scanner will net 
> 21.4 Mpixels at the limit, a copy camera approach with the Leica CL or SL 
> will net 24 Mpixels. For Minox film, to show an extreme, the scanner drops 
> way down to 2.2 Mpixels but both cameras can do nearly the same as they do 
> with 35mm film. 
> 
> - For 35mm strips, it's a toss up now as to whether a good copy camera 
> approach or a good film scanner approach produces the best results. The key 
> problem with a dedicated scanner approach is how much time it takes to do the 
> job; the key problem with the copy camera approach is the quality of the 
> configuration, the time for setup, and how repeatable the configuration is 
> from frame to frame. You don't want to have to refocus for every frame if 
> you're doing volumes of negs with a copy camera … this is where expensive 
> fixtures like the Negative Supply film carrier make very good sense despite 
> their price. (Since I have the Nikon LS-50 and I don't shoot 35mm all that 
> much, I give up on the time for 35mm and just use the film scanner. For 
> medium format, where I really need to have a better fixture and have worked a 
> dozen different fixtures already with only middling success/consistency, I've 
> got a pledge/pre-order in place to get their film carrier as soon as it gets 
> to market. It will be the right solution, finally; wish I could have produced 
> one myself!)
> 
> - For me, the notion of scanning a whole roll of 35mm in one go and producing 
> a contact page of images to look at in a single scan is not particularly 
> useful. The variations in image density, etc, through a roll of film makes it 
> really tough to produce useable images that way that are consistently easy to 
> view and assess for further work. I did that for my Minox negs and found the 
> amount of time I had to put into adjusting each frame on the exposure to be a 
> bigger time sink than just capturing each frame was with a consistent setup. 
> For 35mm, when I want to produce a contact sheet, I simply scan the whole 
> roll with the film scanner or copy camera, and then use LR to adjust them 
> all, using a "similar exposure and content" batch approach to rough in the 
> adjustments very quickly, and assemble them into a grid print that I can put 
> out on standard letter paper if I want it for records keeping (can be kept 
> with the negatives…) and quick selection that way. I usually don't bother and 
> just keep them in LR electronically, since that's where I'm going to do the 
> bulk of my selection and such anyway. 
> 
> - ANY film/small print scanning will take a modest investment in equipment 
> and a modest—but probably larger—investment in time spent le

Re: Scanning old negs

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hi Bob!

I do/have done quite a lot of negative, transparency, and small print capture 
over the past thirty years using all sorts of scanners, copy camera setups, and 
fixtures. I still shoot film in several formats—Minox to 6x9 plus instant film 
prints. Here's a brief synopsis of my thoughts:

- A dedicated film scanner nearly always produces better resolution and 
detailing than any flatbed scanning solution, almost regardless of pixel count, 
because any good one includes a focusing lens that will pinpoint the correct 
focus accurately. Trying to obtain this precision with any flatbed scanner is 
almost impossible, and is certainly quite a bit of work and inconvenience. You 
can get this precision with a copy camera approach presuming you take care in 
your focusing and have a reliable fixture for camera and film that holds them 
in precise alignment.

- For smaller than 35mm film, generally speaking the copy camera approach 
produces the best results for the simple reason that I can net a higher pixel 
count that is more editable with a copy camera setup than I can with a 4000 ppi 
film scanner, given today's DSLR and EVF cameras. For example, given a 35mm 
original, an Olympus E-M1 can produce up to a 15.9 Mpixel image BUT  since the 
format proportion is not isomorphic, the actual negative scan data will be less 
than that. My Nikon Coolscan V ED (LS-50) film scanner will net 21.4 Mpixels at 
the limit, a copy camera approach with the Leica CL or SL will net 24 Mpixels. 
For Minox film, to show an extreme, the scanner drops way down to 2.2 Mpixels 
but both cameras can do nearly the same as they do with 35mm film. 

- For 35mm strips, it's a toss up now as to whether a good copy camera approach 
or a good film scanner approach produces the best results. The key problem with 
a dedicated scanner approach is how much time it takes to do the job; the key 
problem with the copy camera approach is the quality of the configuration, the 
time for setup, and how repeatable the configuration is from frame to frame. 
You don't want to have to refocus for every frame if you're doing volumes of 
negs with a copy camera … this is where expensive fixtures like the Negative 
Supply film carrier make very good sense despite their price. (Since I have the 
Nikon LS-50 and I don't shoot 35mm all that much, I give up on the time for 
35mm and just use the film scanner. For medium format, where I really need to 
have a better fixture and have worked a dozen different fixtures already with 
only middling success/consistency, I've got a pledge/pre-order in place to get 
their film carrier as soon as it gets to market. It will be the right solution, 
finally; wish I could have produced one myself!)

- For me, the notion of scanning a whole roll of 35mm in one go and producing a 
contact page of images to look at in a single scan is not particularly useful. 
The variations in image density, etc, through a roll of film makes it really 
tough to produce useable images that way that are consistently easy to view and 
assess for further work. I did that for my Minox negs and found the amount of 
time I had to put into adjusting each frame on the exposure to be a bigger time 
sink than just capturing each frame was with a consistent setup. For 35mm, when 
I want to produce a contact sheet, I simply scan the whole roll with the film 
scanner or copy camera, and then use LR to adjust them all, using a "similar 
exposure and content" batch approach to rough in the adjustments very quickly, 
and assemble them into a grid print that I can put out on standard letter paper 
if I want it for records keeping (can be kept with the negatives…) and quick 
selection that way. I usually don't bother and just keep them in LR 
electronically, since that's where I'm going to do the bulk of my selection and 
such anyway. 

- ANY film/small print scanning will take a modest investment in equipment and 
a modest—but probably larger—investment in time spent learning how to get what 
you want out of it consistently and reliably. If you're going to use a 
Micro-FourThirds based copy camera approach, I found the Pansonic-Leica 
Macro-Elmarit-DG 45mm f/2.8 lens was a godsend for this kind of work : infinity 
to 1:1 magnification, all internal focusing, and near perfect correction all 
the way through the range. The Olympus ZD 35 Macro and 50 Macro lenses did very 
well too, adapted to mFT, albeit that the 35 Macro needs a bit of rectilinear 
correction for copy work at this scale. (I haven't used either the 30 or 60mm 
macro lenses available now.) For copying nominal 35mm frames with mFT, you need 
about 1:2.1-2.3 magnification, depending on just how much latitude you want in 
positioning the negatives to allow easy framing in post process afterwards with 
minimal cropping loss. 

(I use the Leica CL body for this work nowadays, typically with the 
Macro-Elmarit-R 60mm f/2.8 or Summicron-R 50mm f/2 lenses. Both produce 
outstandi

Re: Scanning old negs

[Alan C]

I still have my M42 bellows & slide copier which I use with a SuperTak 
55/2. The set up gives about 85% coverage (70mm is needed for 100%). 
Once it is all set up it is simply a matter of changing the slides/negs. 
Mostly I sit on the veranda & point the rig at the sky for the light 
source. Slides are quite easy but negs take a lot of PP gymnastics. I 
haven't done a lot yet but 50/hour shouldn't be too difficult.


I found this useful:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/22-pentax-camera-field-accessories/170530-how-auto-bellows-slide-copier-k-dslr.html

Scroll down to Jim Johnson's Slide copying with the Pentax K-r

Alan C

On 11-Apr-20 03:41 AM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

One option , albeit much slower, is to use a bellows setup with a 
slide/negative holder.  I made one up many years ago, before I bought a proper 
scanner, and it worked well if you could find an even light source, and your 
lens had very even coverage.
I still have an LPL700 enlarger sitting (to my wife's constant dismay) in my 
office, and it might be possible to use the negative holder and light source in 
it with a camera on the baseboard - anticipating comments, I'll try it myself!
There is also a video I found in the side bar when watching your linked video  
comparing Epson Scan and Vue Scan, which was very informative - might have to 
try that software again: I did find the interface a little daunting, I must say.

John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: PDML  On Behalf Of Bob Pdml
Sent: Friday, 10 April 2020 10:56 PM
To: Mail List Pentax-Discuss 
Subject: Scanning old negs

Since the lockdown looks as though it might go on for a long time yet I have 
been thinking of scanning some of my old negs and slides. I have a Nikon 
LS-1000 which I haven’t used for years because it’s just a balls-ache.

I’d come to the conclusion that a camera plus copy stand and a light table 
would be essential, and have been digging around looking for guidance. I found 
this excellent video which is so good i thought i’d share:
https://youtu.be/FqD9SikzZq0

He’s not doing exactly what I want to do, but it does look like a good method 
for freshly-shot film.

Most of my slides and negs are either cut in strips and sleeved, or mounted. My 
aim is mainly to catalogue what I have, shoot ‘contact prints’ on the light 
table so I can have a reasonable idea what is on each film, and do a higher 
quality scan only of selected individual frames. But I need an industrial 
process to get through so many films.

I like the method shown in the video, and would adapt it so that I’d put a 
sleeved film strip on the lightbox, a glass sheet on top of that to keep it 
flat, and shoot.

If anyone has any hints, tips, bright ideas or dire warnings, please share!

B


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RE: Scanning old negs

[jcoyle]

One option , albeit much slower, is to use a bellows setup with a 
slide/negative holder.  I made one up many years ago, before I bought a proper 
scanner, and it worked well if you could find an even light source, and your 
lens had very even coverage.  
I still have an LPL700 enlarger sitting (to my wife's constant dismay) in my 
office, and it might be possible to use the negative holder and light source in 
it with a camera on the baseboard - anticipating comments, I'll try it myself!
There is also a video I found in the side bar when watching your linked video  
comparing Epson Scan and Vue Scan, which was very informative - might have to 
try that software again: I did find the interface a little daunting, I must say.

John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: PDML  On Behalf Of Bob Pdml
Sent: Friday, 10 April 2020 10:56 PM
To: Mail List Pentax-Discuss 
Subject: Scanning old negs

Since the lockdown looks as though it might go on for a long time yet I have 
been thinking of scanning some of my old negs and slides. I have a Nikon 
LS-1000 which I haven’t used for years because it’s just a balls-ache.

I’d come to the conclusion that a camera plus copy stand and a light table 
would be essential, and have been digging around looking for guidance. I found 
this excellent video which is so good i thought i’d share:
https://youtu.be/FqD9SikzZq0

He’s not doing exactly what I want to do, but it does look like a good method 
for freshly-shot film.

Most of my slides and negs are either cut in strips and sleeved, or mounted. My 
aim is mainly to catalogue what I have, shoot ‘contact prints’ on the light 
table so I can have a reasonable idea what is on each film, and do a higher 
quality scan only of selected individual frames. But I need an industrial 
process to get through so many films.

I like the method shown in the video, and would adapt it so that I’d put a 
sleeved film strip on the lightbox, a glass sheet on top of that to keep it 
flat, and shoot.

If anyone has any hints, tips, bright ideas or dire warnings, please share!

B
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Re: Scanning old negs

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 10.04.20 um 21:54 schrieb Bob Pdml:


now that I think of it, I’m sure I used some sort of hinged frame with glass in 
at one time.


Probably the ubiquitous Paterson contact printer:

https://www.macodirect.de/en/darkroom/paper-developing/masking-contact-printing-frames/5871/paterson-proof-printer-contact-printing-frame-for-35mm-negatives

To use one of these for scanning, you would of course have to remove the
base and place the top on a lightbox.

Another one which I have used with various flatbed scanners was the Jobo
6835 contact printer. That one was glassless and had slots for the film
strips.

I should be having both in my basement lab but what used to be my
beautiful lab...

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2015/07/die-gute-alte-zeit.html

has become a dump for all kinds of stuff and since we've had to clear
out my mother's flat when she went to live in an old peoples' home, I
can't even get inside any more and have to send Michael down whenever I
need something from there.

Come to think of it, there should even be a repro stand, but no-one
knows where... *sigh*

Ralf

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Re: Scanning old negs

[Bob Pdml]

> On 10 Apr 2020, at 14:49, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 10.04.20 um 14:56 schrieb Bob Pdml:
> 
>> I’d come to the conclusion that a camera plus copy stand and a light table 
>> would be essential
> 
> Either a copy stand or an old enlarger which might be available for even
> less. Take the head off and mount the camera instead.
> 
>> I found this excellent video which is so good i thought i’d share:
> 
> This negative holder looks nice, but 329 USD??? Plus shipping, 8% import
> duty, and 19 percent import VAT... Nice try, though.

It’s a clever idea for people who still shoot film and process their own.

> 
>> ...put a sleeved film strip on the lightbox, a glass sheet on top
> 
> A glass sheet is two more surfaces for dust to settle on. I've been
> thinking about using one of the neg strip holders from my Minolta film
> scanner. […]

I have one with my Nikon scanner, but I want to scan the whole film, like a 
contact sheet. Using a glass sheet is what I used to do in the darkroom when I 
was making contacts, to flatten them on the paper. In fact, now that I think of 
it, I’m sure I used some sort of hinged frame with glass in at one time.

> Now, what lens would one use for scanning a single 35 mm neg? Some macro
> lens I suppose, but what focal length?

Not sure I’ll need one for contact sheets, but I’d be using a 4/3rds camera, so 
either the 30/2.8 or 60/2.8 would be appropriate i guess.


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Re: Scanning old negs

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 10.04.20 um 14:56 schrieb Bob Pdml:


I’d come to the conclusion that a camera plus copy stand and a light table 
would be essential


Either a copy stand or an old enlarger which might be available for even
less. Take the head off and mount the camera instead.


I found this excellent video which is so good i thought i’d share:


This negative holder looks nice, but 329 USD??? Plus shipping, 8% import
duty, and 19 percent import VAT... Nice try, though.


...put a sleeved film strip on the lightbox, a glass sheet on top


A glass sheet is two more surfaces for dust to settle on. I've been
thinking about using one of the neg strip holders from my Minolta film
scanner. If you don't have one this here looks well-made, at least for
something coming from Lomography and it's far cheaper than this other
contraption:

https://shop.lomography.com/en/digitaliza-35mm-scanning-mask

Now, what lens would one use for scanning a single 35 mm neg? Some macro
lens I suppose, but what focal length?

Ralf

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Scanning old negs

[Bob Pdml]

Since the lockdown looks as though it might go on for a long time yet I have 
been thinking of scanning some of my old negs and slides. I have a Nikon 
LS-1000 which I haven’t used for years because it’s just a balls-ache.

I’d come to the conclusion that a camera plus copy stand and a light table 
would be essential, and have been digging around looking for guidance. I found 
this excellent video which is so good i thought i’d share:
https://youtu.be/FqD9SikzZq0

He’s not doing exactly what I want to do, but it does look like a good method 
for freshly-shot film.

Most of my slides and negs are either cut in strips and sleeved, or mounted. My 
aim is mainly to catalogue what I have, shoot ‘contact prints’ on the light 
table so I can have a reasonable idea what is on each film, and do a higher 
quality scan only of selected individual frames. But I need an industrial 
process to get through so many films.

I like the method shown in the video, and would adapt it so that I’d put a 
sleeved film strip on the lightbox, a glass sheet on top of that to keep it 
flat, and shoot.

If anyone has any hints, tips, bright ideas or dire warnings, please share!

B
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Re: OT: Film scanning fun

[Bob W-PDML]

What an excellent idea!

> On 8 Jan 2019, at 01:28, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> On iOS with an iPad or iPhone, you can use a little app called FilmLab. Just 
> point it at a bw or color neg and it inverts it on the fly for viewing and 
> capturing. Make it easy to view a lot of negs quickly and prepare them for 
> scanning. 
> 
> G
> 
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 5:18 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> 
>> Had the same problem with some 40 rolls of B negatives which I had
>> processed myself and cut into sixes for storage over 30 years ago:
>> fortunately, my scissors cut was individual enough to allow me to:
>> Sort by film type (Ilford HP4,  PlusX,  PanatonicX, TriX, etc.
>> Sub-sort by processed density - usually variable in my early days of home
>> processing!
>> Sort by frame number at the beginning of each strip.
>> Match the shape of the cut at the end of the strip with the cut at the
>> beginning of the strip from the same film type and the next frame number
>> 
>> Took a while, but in the end I had reconstructed about 80% of the set, which
>> gave a reasonably chronological record of my early disasters - some of which
>> I am still making!  It also allowed me to find some shots which were
>> historically significant to my family, which was really the whole point.
>> 
>> John in Brisbane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML  On Behalf Of John
>> Sent: Monday, 7 January 2019 12:16 PM
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Re: OT: Film scanning fun
>> 
>> I've got all these old mixed up film strips & slides and sometimes it's
>> really hard to figure out when & where. I screwed up several years ago and
>> jumbled them all together.
>> 
>> With negatives, it's difficult to even know what's on it until I scan it. 
>> VueScan requires a name before I can scan them.
>> 
>> Current case in point:
>> 
>> Five strips of negatives and a couple dozen mixed slides (1/3 Kodachrome &
>> 2/3
>> E-6 most likely Ektrachrome, but possibly Fujichrome. The Kodachrome slides
>> all have a processing date (3 letter month 2 digit year) & frame number and
>> some of the older ones also have a stamp giving the machine # they were
>> processed through.
>> 
>> The Ektachrome/Fujichrome slides are all Pakon mounts or Plastimount mounts
>> without frame numbers.
>> 
>> From the edge markings the negatives turn out to be strips 1, 2, 3 & 5 from
>> a roll of Ektar 100, but the 4th strip is an unnamed Fuji C-41 film.
>> 
>> I'm trying to work out a procedure & naming convention that will allow me to
>> easily rename them if I finally figure out where they're from and insert
>> missing frames in sequence if they turn up later.
>> 
>> This is slightly easier with the older Kodachromes & negative strips.
>> Different machines used different color inks at different times, so all the
>> No4 slides from Sep 99 have red ink and all the No9 slides from the same
>> month have blue ink ...
>> 
>> My current scheme (which I'm still refining):
>>   *Sort the images as best I can figure and group the ones that go
>>together.
>>   *Create a folder -MM-DD-R00x using the current date.
>>   *Create a text file -MM-DD-R00x.txt in that folder.
>>   *Write down as much as I know about the film: Process date, Film
>> type,
>>frame numbers, image subjects, when & where I think I was while
>>scanning.
>>   *Scan the images & Name them -MM-DD-R00x_001+.dng (skipping
>> missing
>>frame numbers when known)
>> 
>> Repeat for as many "rolls" as it looks like I have to scan today.
>> 
>> Eventually the image scans will be renamed MMDD-R00x-.dng for the
>> date I figure I started the roll of film; placed into a folder
>> MMDD_Identifier (place, subject, reminder ...) and saved as a sub-folder
>> for the appropriate year.
>> 
>> Why does any of this matter? Maybe if I can assemble a semi-chronological
>> record of the photography I've done over the years, I can see what mistakes
>> I made then and figure out if I'm still making the same mistakes today.
>> 
>> But I don't need a reason, I just want to remember who I was, where I've
>> been and what I was doing without it being so jumbled up and confusing.
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT: Film scanning fun

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On iOS with an iPad or iPhone, you can use a little app called FilmLab. Just 
point it at a bw or color neg and it inverts it on the fly for viewing and 
capturing. Make it easy to view a lot of negs quickly and prepare them for 
scanning. 

G


> On Jan 7, 2019, at 5:18 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
> Had the same problem with some 40 rolls of B negatives which I had
> processed myself and cut into sixes for storage over 30 years ago:
> fortunately, my scissors cut was individual enough to allow me to:
> Sort by film type (Ilford HP4,  PlusX,  PanatonicX, TriX, etc.
> Sub-sort by processed density - usually variable in my early days of home
> processing!
> Sort by frame number at the beginning of each strip.
> Match the shape of the cut at the end of the strip with the cut at the
> beginning of the strip from the same film type and the next frame number
> 
> Took a while, but in the end I had reconstructed about 80% of the set, which
> gave a reasonably chronological record of my early disasters - some of which
> I am still making!  It also allowed me to find some shots which were
> historically significant to my family, which was really the whole point.
> 
> John in Brisbane
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML  On Behalf Of John
> Sent: Monday, 7 January 2019 12:16 PM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: OT: Film scanning fun
> 
> I've got all these old mixed up film strips & slides and sometimes it's
> really hard to figure out when & where. I screwed up several years ago and
> jumbled them all together.
> 
> With negatives, it's difficult to even know what's on it until I scan it. 
> VueScan requires a name before I can scan them.
> 
> Current case in point:
> 
> Five strips of negatives and a couple dozen mixed slides (1/3 Kodachrome &
> 2/3
> E-6 most likely Ektrachrome, but possibly Fujichrome. The Kodachrome slides
> all have a processing date (3 letter month 2 digit year) & frame number and
> some of the older ones also have a stamp giving the machine # they were
> processed through.
> 
> The Ektachrome/Fujichrome slides are all Pakon mounts or Plastimount mounts
> without frame numbers.
> 
> From the edge markings the negatives turn out to be strips 1, 2, 3 & 5 from
> a roll of Ektar 100, but the 4th strip is an unnamed Fuji C-41 film.
> 
> I'm trying to work out a procedure & naming convention that will allow me to
> easily rename them if I finally figure out where they're from and insert
> missing frames in sequence if they turn up later.
> 
> This is slightly easier with the older Kodachromes & negative strips.
> Different machines used different color inks at different times, so all the
> No4 slides from Sep 99 have red ink and all the No9 slides from the same
> month have blue ink ...
> 
> My current scheme (which I'm still refining):
>*Sort the images as best I can figure and group the ones that go
> together.
>*Create a folder -MM-DD-R00x using the current date.
>*Create a text file -MM-DD-R00x.txt in that folder.
>*Write down as much as I know about the film: Process date, Film
> type,
> frame numbers, image subjects, when & where I think I was while
> scanning.
>*Scan the images & Name them -MM-DD-R00x_001+.dng (skipping
> missing
> frame numbers when known)
> 
> Repeat for as many "rolls" as it looks like I have to scan today.
> 
> Eventually the image scans will be renamed MMDD-R00x-.dng for the
> date I figure I started the roll of film; placed into a folder
> MMDD_Identifier (place, subject, reminder ...) and saved as a sub-folder
> for the appropriate year.
> 
> Why does any of this matter? Maybe if I can assemble a semi-chronological
> record of the photography I've done over the years, I can see what mistakes
> I made then and figure out if I'm still making the same mistakes today.
> 
> But I don't need a reason, I just want to remember who I was, where I've
> been and what I was doing without it being so jumbled up and confusing.
> 
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RE: OT: Film scanning fun

[jcoyle]

Had the same problem with some 40 rolls of B negatives which I had
processed myself and cut into sixes for storage over 30 years ago:
fortunately, my scissors cut was individual enough to allow me to:
Sort by film type (Ilford HP4,  PlusX,  PanatonicX, TriX, etc.
Sub-sort by processed density - usually variable in my early days of home
processing!
Sort by frame number at the beginning of each strip.
Match the shape of the cut at the end of the strip with the cut at the
beginning of the strip from the same film type and the next frame number

Took a while, but in the end I had reconstructed about 80% of the set, which
gave a reasonably chronological record of my early disasters - some of which
I am still making!  It also allowed me to find some shots which were
historically significant to my family, which was really the whole point.

John in Brisbane



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From: PDML  On Behalf Of John
Sent: Monday, 7 January 2019 12:16 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: Film scanning fun

I've got all these old mixed up film strips & slides and sometimes it's
really hard to figure out when & where. I screwed up several years ago and
jumbled them all together.

With negatives, it's difficult to even know what's on it until I scan it. 
VueScan requires a name before I can scan them.

Current case in point:

Five strips of negatives and a couple dozen mixed slides (1/3 Kodachrome &
2/3
E-6 most likely Ektrachrome, but possibly Fujichrome. The Kodachrome slides
all have a processing date (3 letter month 2 digit year) & frame number and
some of the older ones also have a stamp giving the machine # they were
processed through.

The Ektachrome/Fujichrome slides are all Pakon mounts or Plastimount mounts
without frame numbers.

 From the edge markings the negatives turn out to be strips 1, 2, 3 & 5 from
a roll of Ektar 100, but the 4th strip is an unnamed Fuji C-41 film.

I'm trying to work out a procedure & naming convention that will allow me to
easily rename them if I finally figure out where they're from and insert
missing frames in sequence if they turn up later.

This is slightly easier with the older Kodachromes & negative strips.
Different machines used different color inks at different times, so all the
No4 slides from Sep 99 have red ink and all the No9 slides from the same
month have blue ink ...

My current scheme (which I'm still refining):
*Sort the images as best I can figure and group the ones that go
 together.
*Create a folder -MM-DD-R00x using the current date.
*Create a text file -MM-DD-R00x.txt in that folder.
*Write down as much as I know about the film: Process date, Film
type,
 frame numbers, image subjects, when & where I think I was while
 scanning.
*Scan the images & Name them -MM-DD-R00x_001+.dng (skipping
missing
 frame numbers when known)

Repeat for as many "rolls" as it looks like I have to scan today.

Eventually the image scans will be renamed MMDD-R00x-.dng for the
date I figure I started the roll of film; placed into a folder
MMDD_Identifier (place, subject, reminder ...) and saved as a sub-folder
for the appropriate year.

Why does any of this matter? Maybe if I can assemble a semi-chronological
record of the photography I've done over the years, I can see what mistakes
I made then and figure out if I'm still making the same mistakes today.

But I don't need a reason, I just want to remember who I was, where I've
been and what I was doing without it being so jumbled up and confusing.


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Re: OT: Film scanning fun

[John]

I've got all these old mixed up film strips & slides and sometimes it's really 
hard to figure out when & where. I screwed up several years ago and jumbled them 
all together.


With negatives, it's difficult to even know what's on it until I scan it. 
VueScan requires a name before I can scan them.


Current case in point:

Five strips of negatives and a couple dozen mixed slides (1/3 Kodachrome & 2/3 
E-6 most likely Ektrachrome, but possibly Fujichrome. The Kodachrome slides all 
have a processing date (3 letter month 2 digit year) & frame number and some of 
the older ones also have a stamp giving the machine # they were processed through.


The Ektachrome/Fujichrome slides are all Pakon mounts or Plastimount mounts 
without frame numbers.


From the edge markings the negatives turn out to be strips 1, 2, 3 & 5 from a 
roll of Ektar 100, but the 4th strip is an unnamed Fuji C-41 film.


I'm trying to work out a procedure & naming convention that will allow me to 
easily rename them if I finally figure out where they're from and insert missing 
frames in sequence if they turn up later.


This is slightly easier with the older Kodachromes & negative strips.  Different 
machines used different color inks at different times, so all the No4 slides 
from Sep 99 have red ink and all the No9 slides from the same month have blue 
ink ...


My current scheme (which I'm still refining):
*Sort the images as best I can figure and group the ones that go
 together.
*Create a folder -MM-DD-R00x using the current date.
*Create a text file -MM-DD-R00x.txt in that folder.
*Write down as much as I know about the film: Process date, Film type,
 frame numbers, image subjects, when & where I think I was while
 scanning.
*Scan the images & Name them -MM-DD-R00x_001+.dng (skipping missing
 frame numbers when known)

Repeat for as many "rolls" as it looks like I have to scan today.

Eventually the image scans will be renamed MMDD-R00x-.dng for the date I 
figure I started the roll of film; placed into a folder MMDD_Identifier 
(place, subject, reminder ...) and saved as a sub-folder for the appropriate year.


Why does any of this matter? Maybe if I can assemble a semi-chronological record 
of the photography I've done over the years, I can see what mistakes I made then 
and figure out if I'm still making the same mistakes today.


But I don't need a reason, I just want to remember who I was, where I've been 
and what I was doing without it being so jumbled up and confusing.



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OT: Film scanning fun

[John]

OT because I just realized this film didn't come from one of my Pentax cameras.

I go along from time to time scanning my old film trying to integrate the images 
with my "back catalog". It's part of my ongoing effort to organize & DE-clutter. 
I found a roll of processed negatives rolled up inside a plastic film can and 
thought I knew what it was because the can was labeled ...


Wrongly labeled as it turned out.

I use a naming convention of MMDD-R00n-NNN for scanning film where MMDD 
is the date I took the first photo on the roll; R00n tells me if I have more 
than one roll of film from a particular date and NNN corresponds to the frame 
number from the film.


I've got a lot of jumbled up film with slides & slips of negatives from multiple 
rolls mixed together sometimes and this scheme helps me to sort them out and it 
works to let me fill in the blanks later if I find other bits & pieces.


The label on the can gave me  = 2007 and I was trying to figure out the 
Month & Day, but as it turns out that's irrelevant because the film is from 1998 
and I know the Month & Day.


Another thing I was trying to figure out why I wasted the first 8 frames of the 
roll. There's nothing on them.


About halfway through scanning the roll it clicked.

The roll is from a disposable camera and the frame numbers run backwards - Frame 
27 is the first image on the roll rather than the last one and it's the last 8 
images that are missing because I went ahead and had the film processed before 
shooting all of the frames.


Now I all I got to do is figure out what order to rename the images because I 
cut the strips as if the image order matched the frame order.


There's nothing earth shaking on the film. It's just a bunch of "grip 'n grin" 
photos of awards being handed out at a company picnic. But it's one less roll of 
film lost inside of a drawer.


If not exactly fun, at least it's a distraction. Baxter the cat is sick. She's 
in the hospital this morning being operated on for some kind of swelling on her 
face. I found it yesterday morning & took her to the vet right away & they 
scheduled her for surgery this morning. The vet says it might not be cancer.


I'm just waiting for them to call me and tell me how it turned out.

I've got another film canister in my freezer, always in the way when I want to 
put food in or take it out. I finally got around to opening the can to see what 
it was, maybe put it in my K1000 (got a new battery for it the other day).


Turns out to be an unexposed roll of Kodachrome 25, so I guess it's just going 
to have to keep cluttering up my freezer for the time being.


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Re: scanning 120 negatives?

[William Robb]

Take their jpegs and use them. Just don't save to jpeg again until your
final file. It's doubtful you will see any degradation. It's likely that
their jpeg will be quite a bit better than anything you can get off a
flatbed scanner.

On Oct 30, 2017 1:18 PM, "Larry Colen"  wrote:

> I picked up a couple rolls of 120 film (100 & 400 ASA) this morning at
> Bay. It turns out that they process the film, but will only scan to JPEG. I
> guess I'll need to scan it myself. I've got an EPSON 2480 scanner, so
> hopefully that'll work.  The related threads are proving interesting.
>
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Eric Weir]

> On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Bulent Celasun  wrote:
> 
> I use VueScan happily with Epson V500.
> I always scan a single image. Then the next...
> No auto numbering.

Thanks, Bulent. I may get around to “happily” with VueScan. Meantime I’m 
relying on Epson Scan. A bit less steep learning curve. 

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Re: scanning 120 negatives?

[Darren Addy]

Also interesting:
https://www.instructables.com/id/The-clothespin-hack%2C-how-to-scan-photographic-film/


On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I picked up a couple rolls of 120 film (100 & 400 ASA) this morning at Bay.
> It turns out that they process the film, but will only scan to JPEG. I guess
> I'll need to scan it myself. I've got an EPSON 2480 scanner, so hopefully
> that'll work.  The related threads are proving interesting.
>
>
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scanning 120 negatives?

[Larry Colen]

I picked up a couple rolls of 120 film (100 & 400 ASA) this morning at 
Bay. It turns out that they process the film, but will only scan to 
JPEG. I guess I'll need to scan it myself. I've got an EPSON 2480 
scanner, so hopefully that'll work.  The related threads are proving 
interesting.





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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Bulent Celasun]

I use VueScan happily with Epson V500.
I always scan a single image. Then the next...
No auto numbering.

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2017-10-27 17:12 GMT+03:00 Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net>:
>
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts <postmas...@robertstech.com> wrote:
>>
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 
>>> 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was a 
>>> bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to work 
>>> well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 years 
>>> later.
>>>
>>> These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older 
>>> ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces 
>>> good results!
>>
>> Yep, the latest user interface is really very good. And the ability to
>> use the same scanning software with many different scanners — even
>> different makes — simplifies things greatly.
>
> I have an Epson V500 flatbed. Bought it to scan a deceased brother’s photos, 
> but have yet to get around to it. I’ve used it mainly for scanning documents 
> and have always found the software awkward. Just never got the hang of it. 
> Might I fare better with VueScan?
>
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Eric Weir]

> On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts <postmas...@robertstech.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 
>>> 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was a 
>>> bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to work 
>>> well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 years 
>>> later. 
>>> 
>>> These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older 
>>> ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces 
>>> good results! 
>> 
>> Yep, the latest user interface is really very good. And the ability to
>> use the same scanning software with many different scanners — even
>> different makes — simplifies things greatly.
> 
> I have an Epson V500 flatbed. Bought it to scan a deceased brother’s photos, 
> but have yet to get around to it. I’ve used it mainly for scanning documents 
> and have always found the software awkward. Just never got the hang of it. 
> Might I fare better with VueScan?

After having success with Epson Scan with b images, and finding color images 
a little more difficult, I decided to check out VueScan on color film images. 
It’s clear that VueScan gives you a lot more control over the process, but that 
makes for a steep and long learning curve, at least for this photo tech idiot. 
Very, very mystifying. 

It’s also pretty quirky. After getting a little traction with “batch scanning,” 
i.e., scanning multiple images on film, batch processing suddenly disappeared. 
Even with batch processing selected, VueScan would only scan one image at a 
time. 

VueScan’s numbering of frames was incomprehensible. With two strips of film 
with four images on each, VueScan assigned number 1 to the second frame, 
counting from top left strip. I could not get it to give a number to the first 
frame. On the second strip the number 5 was assigned to two frames.

That was after I’d selected all eight frames—or at least I thought I’d selected 
them; I really have no idea. 

Certainly will not plunk down $90 for software I cannot be sue I’ll ever learn 
how to use.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Eric Weir]

> On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> In my experience, the Edson software is superior to Vuescan on Epson 
> flatness. But make sure you're using advanced mode, preview the scan and 
> tweak the histogram if necessary.

Thanks, Paul. I’ve been viewing videos on scanning with the Epson V500. I have 
a lot to learn about basic how-to stuff.The finer points will come later. But 
on your recommendation I’m sticking with the Epson software. 

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Mark Roberts]

Eric Weir wrote:

>I have an Epson V500 flatbed. Bought it to scan a deceased brother’s photos, 
>but have yet to get around to it. I’ve used it mainly for scanning documents 
>and have always found the software awkward. Just never got the hang of it. 
>Might I fare better with VueScan?

I have an Epson V30 flatbed. I don't know how similar the software is
to that of your V500 but VueScan is VASTLY superior to what Epson
provided for the V30. Like comparing Microsof Paint to Adobe
Photoshop. (OK, that's a slight exaggeration, but still...)


 
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[P. J. Alling]

When auto correct strikes it sometimes makes the message more intriguing.


On 10/27/2017 10:25 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Autocorrect strikes again. On Epson flatbeds.

Paul via phone


On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:

In my experience, the Edson software is superior to Vuescan on Epson flatness. 
But make sure you're using advanced mode, preview the scan and tweak the 
histogram if necessary.

Paul via phone


On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> wrote:



On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts <postmas...@robertstech.com> wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote:


I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 2003. 
The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was a bit of a 
pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to work well though 
umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 years later.

These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older ones. 
I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces good results!

Yep, the latest user interface is really very good. And the ability to
use the same scanning software with many different scanners — even
different makes — simplifies things greatly.

I have an Epson V500 flatbed. Bought it to scan a deceased brother’s photos, 
but have yet to get around to it. I’ve used it mainly for scanning documents 
and have always found the software awkward. Just never got the hang of it. 
Might I fare better with VueScan?

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Paul Stenquist]

Autocorrect strikes again. On Epson flatbeds.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
> 
> In my experience, the Edson software is superior to Vuescan on Epson 
> flatness. But make sure you're using advanced mode, preview the scan and 
> tweak the histogram if necessary.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts <postmas...@robertstech.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 
>>>> 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was 
>>>> a bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to 
>>>> work well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 
>>>> years later. 
>>>> 
>>>> These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older 
>>>> ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces 
>>>> good results! 
>>> 
>>> Yep, the latest user interface is really very good. And the ability to
>>> use the same scanning software with many different scanners — even
>>> different makes — simplifies things greatly.
>> 
>> I have an Epson V500 flatbed. Bought it to scan a deceased brother’s photos, 
>> but have yet to get around to it. I’ve used it mainly for scanning documents 
>> and have always found the software awkward. Just never got the hang of it. 
>> Might I fare better with VueScan?
>> 
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Paul Stenquist]

In my experience, the Edson software is superior to Vuescan on Epson flatness. 
But make sure you're using advanced mode, preview the scan and tweak the 
histogram if necessary.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts <postmas...@robertstech.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 
>>> 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was a 
>>> bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to work 
>>> well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 years 
>>> later. 
>>> 
>>> These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older 
>>> ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces 
>>> good results! 
>> 
>> Yep, the latest user interface is really very good. And the ability to
>> use the same scanning software with many different scanners — even
>> different makes — simplifies things greatly.
> 
> I have an Epson V500 flatbed. Bought it to scan a deceased brother’s photos, 
> but have yet to get around to it. I’ve used it mainly for scanning documents 
> and have always found the software awkward. Just never got the hang of it. 
> Might I fare better with VueScan?
> 
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Eric Weir]

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Mark Roberts <postmas...@robertstech.com> wrote:
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote:
> 
>> I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 
>> 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was a 
>> bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to work 
>> well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 years 
>> later. 
>> 
>> These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older 
>> ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces good 
>> results! 
> 
> Yep, the latest user interface is really very good. And the ability to
> use the same scanning software with many different scanners — even
> different makes — simplifies things greatly.

I have an Epson V500 flatbed. Bought it to scan a deceased brother’s photos, 
but have yet to get around to it. I’ve used it mainly for scanning documents 
and have always found the software awkward. Just never got the hang of it. 
Might I fare better with VueScan?

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[mike wilson]

> On 26 October 2017 at 21:38 Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 26 October 2017 at 07:22 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26 Oct 2017, at 06:58, mike wilson  wrote:
> >>
>  On 25 October 2017 at 23:53 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> 
>  On 25/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> > You have a jusk closet, too?
>  I thought that was a typo.
> 
>  Go on then, what the actual blazes is a jusk closet?
> >>> It's where you keep your jusk, of course.
> >>>
> >> That's jusk rap.
> >
> > I've never rapped a jusk in my life.
> 
> Not even at jusk rapped park?

I left one in the rain there, once.  Unrapped.  Didn't end well.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[David J Brooks]

Good score. I have had vuescan for a number of years and finally up
graded last year it does a good job on my Epson 2450. The original
Epson software was nice but over the years t it stopped working i
suspect due to my OS upgrades but for what i sscan now Vuescan works
fine

Dave

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Mark Roberts
<postmas...@robertstech.com> wrote:
> So... I've been scanning in some old slides lately. My current 35mm
> film scanner is an old Minolta Scan Dual IV. Which unfortunately isn't
> supported by Konica/Minolta on any modern operating system.
>
> The traditional solution to this is to use Hamrick's "VueScan"
> software, because it has built-in support for most scanners: No need
> for a driver from the manufacturer. I tried VueScan years ago but
> struggled with the interface and gave up on it. So I'm pleased to
> report that the latest version has a vastly improved UI from what I
> remember. Image quality is excellent: The multi scan capability is
> easy to use and really lets you get the best dMax from a scanner. I'm
> very impressed.
>
> Now here's something interesting: VueScan comes in two versions, Basic
> and Pro. "Basic" supports only flatbed scanners, not film scanners,
> and has some other limitations but it's only $39.00. The "Pro" version
> costs $99.00 but supports film scanners. Unfortunately, I accidentally
> purchased the Basic version — though strangely they only charged me
> $29.00 rather than $39.00 listed on the web site. I was still annoyed
> with myself... until I noticed that one can upgrade for just $50.00.
> So that's what I did, just moments later. I ended up getting the full
> pro version, legally, for $79.99 instead of $99.00! Seems like an odd
> loophole but I'm not complaining!
>
> And another bonus: Way back in the jusk closet in my office I had an
> old Visioneer flatbed scanner which I abandoned when the manufacturer
> decided not to update their drivers to support Windows 7. ( I think I
> tried to give away this scanner on the PDML and had no takers.) So I
> bought an Epson flatbed and forgot about it. But guess what? VueScan
> supports it. So I took it in to school and now I have my own flatbed
> scanner there.
>
> So basically, I also got a free scanner out of the deal.
>
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Larry Colen]

mike wilson wrote:

On 26 October 2017 at 07:22 Bob W-PDML  wrote:



On 26 Oct 2017, at 06:58, mike wilson  wrote:


On 25 October 2017 at 23:53 Steve Cottrell  wrote:


On 25/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:


You have a jusk closet, too?

I thought that was a typo.

Go on then, what the actual blazes is a jusk closet?

It's where you keep your jusk, of course.


That's jusk rap.


I've never rapped a jusk in my life.


Not even at jusk rapped park?





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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 1:34 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>> On 26 October 2017 at 12:02 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> On 26/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> It's where you keep your jusk, of course.
>> Assuming I have a jusk
> Well, if you don't have a jusk closet.

Jusk say “No!”

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[mike wilson]

> On 26 October 2017 at 12:02 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 26/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >It's where you keep your jusk, of course.
> 
> Assuming I have a jusk

Well, if you don't have a jusk closet.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[mike wilson]

> On 26 October 2017 at 07:22 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 26 Oct 2017, at 06:58, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> >> On 25 October 2017 at 23:53 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 25/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >> 
> >>> You have a jusk closet, too? 
> >> 
> >> I thought that was a typo.
> >> 
> >> Go on then, what the actual blazes is a jusk closet?
> > 
> > It's where you keep your jusk, of course.
> > 
> 
> That's jusk rap.

I've never rapped a jusk in my life.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Steve Cottrell]

On 26/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's where you keep your jusk, of course.

Assuming I have a jusk

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Bob W-PDML]

On 26 Oct 2017, at 06:58, mike wilson  wrote:

>> On 25 October 2017 at 23:53 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 25/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> You have a jusk closet, too? 
>> 
>> I thought that was a typo.
>> 
>> Go on then, what the actual blazes is a jusk closet?
> 
> It's where you keep your jusk, of course.
> 

That's jusk rap.


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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[mike wilson]

> On 25 October 2017 at 21:47 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:46, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> >> On 25 October 2017 at 21:39 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:21, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >>> 
>  My negs and slides are in the loft, next to the scanner. Someday they
>  will learn to love each other and have little digital babies without me
>  having to do anything.
> >>> 
> >>> Or you could go recreate them in the modern day with a Leica.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Oh, alright then, if you insist.
> > 
> > Come on.  You can be more decisive than that.
> > 
> 
> Maybe. Maybe not. Who's to say?

You'll know when the moment's right.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[mike wilson]

> On 25 October 2017 at 23:53 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 25/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >You have a jusk closet, too? 
> 
> I thought that was a typo.
> 
> Go on then, what the actual blazes is a jusk closet?

It's where you keep your jusk, of course.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[mike wilson]

> On 25 October 2017 at 21:39 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:21, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> > 
> > On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> >> My negs and slides are in the loft, next to the scanner. Someday they
> >> will learn to love each other and have little digital babies without me
> >> having to do anything.
> > 
> > Or you could go recreate them in the modern day with a Leica.
> > 
> 
> Oh, alright then, if you insist.

Come on.  You can be more decisive than that.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Paul Stenquist]

Given all the comments about the improved interface, I'm inclined to give 
Vuescan another try. I bought a serial number many years ago. But I doubt I can 
find it.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Mark C <pdml-m...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> I use Vuescan for B scanning on an LS-8000. It's excellent and vastly 
> better than Nikon Scan for silver B But I revert to Nikon Scan for the 
> occasional color neg or the very rare slide that I scan these days.  I bought 
> a license back in 1999 and the serial number still works in current Vuescan 
> versions - pretty good deal.
> 
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>> So... I've been scanning in some old slides lately. My current 35mm
>> film scanner is an old Minolta Scan Dual IV. Which unfortunately isn't
>> supported by Konica/Minolta on any modern operating system.
>> 
>> The traditional solution to this is to use Hamrick's "VueScan"
>> software, because it has built-in support for most scanners: No need
>> for a driver from the manufacturer. I tried VueScan years ago but
>> struggled with the interface and gave up on it. So I'm pleased to
>> report that the latest version has a vastly improved UI from what I
>> remember. Image quality is excellent: The multi scan capability is
>> easy to use and really lets you get the best dMax from a scanner. I'm
>> very impressed.
>> 
>> Now here's something interesting: VueScan comes in two versions, Basic
>> and Pro. "Basic" supports only flatbed scanners, not film scanners,
>> and has some other limitations but it's only $39.00. The "Pro" version
>> costs $99.00 but supports film scanners. Unfortunately, I accidentally
>> purchased the Basic version — though strangely they only charged me
>> $29.00 rather than $39.00 listed on the web site. I was still annoyed
>> with myself... until I noticed that one can upgrade for just $50.00.
>> So that's what I did, just moments later. I ended up getting the full
>> pro version, legally, for $79.99 instead of $99.00! Seems like an odd
>> loophole but I'm not complaining!
>> 
>> And another bonus: Way back in the jusk closet in my office I had an
>> old Visioneer flatbed scanner which I abandoned when the manufacturer
>> decided not to update their drivers to support Windows 7. ( I think I
>> tried to give away this scanner on the PDML and had no takers.) So I
>> bought an Epson flatbed and forgot about it. But guess what? VueScan
>> supports it. So I took it in to school and now I have my own flatbed
>> scanner there.
>> 
>> So basically, I also got a free scanner out of the deal.
>> 
> 
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Mark C]

I use Vuescan for B scanning on an LS-8000. It's excellent and vastly 
better than Nikon Scan for silver B But I revert to Nikon Scan for 
the occasional color neg or the very rare slide that I scan these days.  
I bought a license back in 1999 and the serial number still works in 
current Vuescan versions - pretty good deal.


Mark Roberts wrote:

So... I've been scanning in some old slides lately. My current 35mm
film scanner is an old Minolta Scan Dual IV. Which unfortunately isn't
supported by Konica/Minolta on any modern operating system.

The traditional solution to this is to use Hamrick's "VueScan"
software, because it has built-in support for most scanners: No need
for a driver from the manufacturer. I tried VueScan years ago but
struggled with the interface and gave up on it. So I'm pleased to
report that the latest version has a vastly improved UI from what I
remember. Image quality is excellent: The multi scan capability is
easy to use and really lets you get the best dMax from a scanner. I'm
very impressed.

Now here's something interesting: VueScan comes in two versions, Basic
and Pro. "Basic" supports only flatbed scanners, not film scanners,
and has some other limitations but it's only $39.00. The "Pro" version
costs $99.00 but supports film scanners. Unfortunately, I accidentally
purchased the Basic version — though strangely they only charged me
$29.00 rather than $39.00 listed on the web site. I was still annoyed
with myself... until I noticed that one can upgrade for just $50.00.
So that's what I did, just moments later. I ended up getting the full
pro version, legally, for $79.99 instead of $99.00! Seems like an odd
loophole but I'm not complaining!

And another bonus: Way back in the jusk closet in my office I had an
old Visioneer flatbed scanner which I abandoned when the manufacturer
decided not to update their drivers to support Windows 7. ( I think I
tried to give away this scanner on the PDML and had no takers.) So I
bought an Epson flatbed and forgot about it. But guess what? VueScan
supports it. So I took it in to school and now I have my own flatbed
scanner there.

So basically, I also got a free scanner out of the deal.




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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Igor PDML-StR]

Bob W-PDML Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:40:13 -0700 wrote:


On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:21, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


My negs and slides are in the loft, next to the scanner. Someday they
will learn to love each other and have little digital babies without me
having to do anything.


Or you could go recreate them in the modern day with a Leica.



Recreate or procreate? ;-)


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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[John]

On 10/25/2017 15:54, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/10/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:


I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002
or 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan
was a bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues
to work well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15
years later.

These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older
ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces
good results!


So, the VueScan software works with Nikon scanners? Do you think it might work 
with an LS-1000 ?



It's on the list of supported scanners.

https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/nikon_coolscan_1000.html#technical-information

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You have a jusk closet, too? 

I thought that was a typo.

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RE: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[John Coyle]

I've had Vuescan since 1996, and gave up using it when the interface became 
less intuitive to use,
and my old film scanner was no longer supported (SCSI connection, which it 
seems no-one uses
nowadays and there are no PCI cards available for Windows 7+).  The Epson 
software I found
reasonable to use, but if the Vuescan interface is now better I'll go back to 
it!


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-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2017 5:08 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
Subject: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

So... I've been scanning in some old slides lately. My current 35mm film 
scanner is an old Minolta
Scan Dual IV. Which unfortunately isn't supported by Konica/Minolta on any 
modern operating system.

The traditional solution to this is to use Hamrick's "VueScan"
software, because it has built-in support for most scanners: No need for a 
driver from the
manufacturer. I tried VueScan years ago but struggled with the interface and 
gave up on it. So I'm
pleased to report that the latest version has a vastly improved UI from what I 
remember. Image
quality is excellent: The multi scan capability is easy to use and really lets 
you get the best dMax
from a scanner. I'm very impressed.

Now here's something interesting: VueScan comes in two versions, Basic and Pro. 
"Basic" supports
only flatbed scanners, not film scanners, and has some other limitations but 
it's only $39.00. The
"Pro" version costs $99.00 but supports film scanners. Unfortunately, I 
accidentally purchased the
Basic version - though strangely they only charged me
$29.00 rather than $39.00 listed on the web site. I was still annoyed with 
myself... until I noticed
that one can upgrade for just $50.00.
So that's what I did, just moments later. I ended up getting the full pro 
version, legally, for
$79.99 instead of $99.00! Seems like an odd loophole but I'm not complaining!

And another bonus: Way back in the jusk closet in my office I had an old 
Visioneer flatbed scanner
which I abandoned when the manufacturer decided not to update their drivers to 
support Windows 7. (
I think I tried to give away this scanner on the PDML and had no takers.) So I 
bought an Epson
flatbed and forgot about it. But guess what? VueScan supports it. So I took it 
in to school and now
I have my own flatbed scanner there.

So basically, I also got a free scanner out of the deal.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Bob W-PDML]

On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:46, mike wilson  wrote:

>> On 25 October 2017 at 21:39 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:21, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> 
 My negs and slides are in the loft, next to the scanner. Someday they
 will learn to love each other and have little digital babies without me
 having to do anything.
>>> 
>>> Or you could go recreate them in the modern day with a Leica.
>>> 
>> 
>> Oh, alright then, if you insist.
> 
> Come on.  You can be more decisive than that.
> 

Maybe. Maybe not. Who's to say?


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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[mike wilson]

> On 25 October 2017 at 21:39 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:21, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> > 
> > On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> >> My negs and slides are in the loft, next to the scanner. Someday they
> >> will learn to love each other and have little digital babies without me
> >> having to do anything.
> > 
> > Or you could go recreate them in the modern day with a Leica.
> > 
> 
> Oh, alright then, if you insist.

Come on.  You can be more decisive than that.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[mike wilson]

You have a jusk closet, too?  I thought it was only me.

> On 25 October 2017 at 20:07 Mark Roberts <postmas...@robertstech.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> So... I've been scanning in some old slides lately. My current 35mm
> film scanner is an old Minolta Scan Dual IV. Which unfortunately isn't
> supported by Konica/Minolta on any modern operating system.
> 
> The traditional solution to this is to use Hamrick's "VueScan"
> software, because it has built-in support for most scanners: No need
> for a driver from the manufacturer. I tried VueScan years ago but
> struggled with the interface and gave up on it. So I'm pleased to
> report that the latest version has a vastly improved UI from what I
> remember. Image quality is excellent: The multi scan capability is
> easy to use and really lets you get the best dMax from a scanner. I'm
> very impressed.
> 
> Now here's something interesting: VueScan comes in two versions, Basic
> and Pro. "Basic" supports only flatbed scanners, not film scanners,
> and has some other limitations but it's only $39.00. The "Pro" version
> costs $99.00 but supports film scanners. Unfortunately, I accidentally
> purchased the Basic version — though strangely they only charged me
> $29.00 rather than $39.00 listed on the web site. I was still annoyed
> with myself... until I noticed that one can upgrade for just $50.00.
> So that's what I did, just moments later. I ended up getting the full
> pro version, legally, for $79.99 instead of $99.00! Seems like an odd
> loophole but I'm not complaining!
> 
> And another bonus: Way back in the jusk closet in my office I had an
> old Visioneer flatbed scanner which I abandoned when the manufacturer
> decided not to update their drivers to support Windows 7. ( I think I
> tried to give away this scanner on the PDML and had no takers.) So I
> bought an Epson flatbed and forgot about it. But guess what? VueScan
> supports it. So I took it in to school and now I have my own flatbed
> scanner there.
> 
> So basically, I also got a free scanner out of the deal.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Bob W-PDML]

> On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:21, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> My negs and slides are in the loft, next to the scanner. Someday they
>> will learn to love each other and have little digital babies without me
>> having to do anything.
> 
> Or you could go recreate them in the modern day with a Leica.
> 

Oh, alright then, if you insist.


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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/10/17, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:

>https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/nikon_coolscan_1000.html#technical-information
>
>Ralf

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My negs and slides are in the loft, next to the scanner. Someday they
>will learn to love each other and have little digital babies without me
>having to do anything.

Or you could go recreate them in the modern day with a Leica.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Bob W-PDML]

My negs and slides are in the loft, next to the scanner. Someday they will 
learn to love each other and have little digital babies without me having to do 
anything.

> On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:03, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I have a LS1000 gathering dust in the loft. Vuescan worked with that way
>> back whenever I last used it.
> 
> Coolness.
> 
> Mine is sat 12 inches away, waiting to be used. The problem is the negs 
> are...somewhere...
> 
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 25.10.17 um 21:54 schrieb Steve Cottrell:


So, the VueScan software works with Nikon scanners? Do you think it might work 
with an LS-1000 ?


https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/nikon_coolscan_1000.html#technical-information

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/10/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I have a LS1000 gathering dust in the loft. Vuescan worked with that way
>back whenever I last used it.

Coolness.

Mine is sat 12 inches away, waiting to be used. The problem is the negs 
are...somewhere...

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/10/17, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So, the VueScan software works with Nikon scanners? Do you think it
>might work with an LS-1000 ?

Belay that - just checked and yes it does :-)

Will give it a try along with that FireWire adapter, Mark.  Might get around to 
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Bob W-PDML]

I have a LS1000 gathering dust in the loft. Vuescan worked with that way back 
whenever I last used it.

B

> On 25 Oct 2017, at 20:55, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 25/10/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002
>> or 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan
>> was a bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues
>> to work well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15
>> years later. 
>> 
>> These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older
>> ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces
>> good results! 
> 
> So, the VueScan software works with Nikon scanners? Do you think it might 
> work with an LS-1000 ?
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote:

>I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 
>2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was a 
>bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to work well 
>though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 years later. 
>
>These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older ones. 
>I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces good 
>results! 

Yep, the latest user interface is really very good. And the ability to
use the same scanning software with many different scanners — even
different makes — simplifies things greatly.

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/10/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002
>or 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan
>was a bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues
>to work well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15
>years later. 
>
>These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older
>ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces
>good results! 

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with an LS-1000 ?

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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Paul Stenquist]

I can get good results with Vuescan, but it’s a pain. The sliders and other 
controls are crude and not proportional, so the result of small tweaks is hard 
to predict. Previews are inaccurate as well, at least in my experience. I 
haven’t upgraded it in years, so it may be better now, but the Epson software 
works beautifully  on the V850 Pro, so I’m not likely to try it again.

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 
> 2003. The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was a 
> bit of a pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to work 
> well though umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 years later. 
> 
> These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older 
> ones. I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces good 
> results! 
> 
> G
> 
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Re: More thoughts on slide scanning: Hamrick VueScan

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I bought VueScan when I bought the Minolta Dimage scanner back in 2002 or 2003. 
The Minolta software was offal and kept crashing on me. VueScan was a bit of a 
pain to figure out, but it worked well ... and continues to work well though 
umpteen revisions and who knows how many scanners 15 years later. 

These latest versions are really quite easy to use compared to the older ones. 
I run the Nikon and Epson scanners with it ... it always produces good results! 

G


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