Re: [PHP] Spam Post Defense / ID spam form posts
Instruct ICC wrote: Because that means messing with the recipient list - that's donkey work your client should do, hence my use of reply-to-all. Wouldn't gmail thread it but still have 2 copies? I could send email TO/CC/BCC the list to a specific folder, but I'd still get the copy to me directly in another folder. What should I train my donkey to do? I reply to all, then I only let the list address survive and make sure it is in the TO field. If your mail client can't resolve two copies of the same email down to one, change your mail client. Attacking a server with the express intention of preventing it from working correctly is in most countries. It's the technological equivalent of getting prosecuted for assault because you defended your property from a burglar. Now I'm thinking I should inform the attacking server of the situation by shutting them down until they address the issue. It may need new laws on the books to cover my ass. But what do you think? Either a YOU'VE BEEN PWND BY THE GUARDIANS because you are either running hijacked services for an attacker, (likely on an MS Windows flavor -- upgrade your OS to a non-MS OS), or you are the actual attacker. When you patch your security holes, THE GUARDIANS will consider your petition to re-enter the superhighway. or some such. If the HTTP_USER_AGENT hasn't been spoofed, they all seem to be Opera/9.0 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en), since I began tracking. If the server could be shutdown and reported to an authority that would re-evaluate their access to the net, it could help catch the attacker or in the least, stop attacks on other innocents. Well, if the hijacked service is down, it will hurt the attacker. If the innocent's server is down, they could learn about the need to be a better net citizen while at the same time not providing services to the attacker. I'm assuming (and hope) you're being somewhat sarcastic, but you seem to misunderstand where these attacks are coming from. Most will not be coming from other servers, but from desktop machines belonging to the Joe Bloggs of this world. Bringing down their machines just because they were ignorant enough to get compromised seems like cruel and unusual punishment to me. You're essentially talking about needing a license to use the Internet. This has been talked about before on this list and all over the 'net, but it will likely never happen because it goes against the principles upon which it has been built and the people involved in running the core infrastructure. The point I was trying to make is that your first step should be to find out why he has that position, educate him as to the benefits of the CAPTCHA and the complications that any other approach might have. He holds that position because he does not want the user to have to enter any additional keystrokes or mouse clicks (or think more?) while they are becoming a sales lead. Not unlike your repulsion to cut and paste to send only to the list perhaps? I don't have a repulsion toward modifying recipient lists, but I send too many emails to be bothered to do it. My toolset works, it de-dupes correctly and I've never had a problem with other people sending an email to several addresses that end up at the same mailbox. Now, to get back to your original question... I now understand that this form you're dealing with is a contact form on a website? Your solution is simple. Put a note above the form stating that they cannot send URLs, HTML or BBcode. Then in your form handler check the following... * Single line fields do not contain carriage returns (used by spammers in an attempt to inject their own headers in emails) * No fields contain URLs, HTML or BBcode. * If you're asking for an email address check it against one of the many regular expression patterns out there. You may also want to consider naming your form fields non-descriptively. For example, if you call the email field email an automated bot will know to put an email address in there. If you name it field2 it won't and your email address validation will catch it out. With those steps you can easily cut out the majority of spam that will come through a contact form. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Spam Post Defense / ID spam form posts
Instruct ICC wrote: Can server1 receive a web page form post from remoteAttacker, identify it as spam (or a DoS or DDoS attack), hand off the socket to multiple threads on multiple servers owned by server1's owner, return multiple responses to remoteAttacker which normally would have been a single response returned by server1, so that server1 is not busy responding to remoteAttacker and is able to handle legitimate requests? Technically? Not sure what you mean by hand off the socket to multiple threads on multiple servers. I think you're talking about detecting that a POST is spam and passing that off to another machine to handle it. Far easier and more effective is to stop processing the request the moment you know it's spam. Why would you waste any more time with it than you need to. Legally? Grey area. You can put restrictions in the terms and conditions of use on your site, but AFAIK those have never been legally tested and would be extremely difficult and prohibitively expensive to enforce. The boss doesn't want to use a CAPTCHA on the form but wants us to identify it without additional user input. Then your boss is an idiot. Some form of CAPTCHA is the best defence currently available. There are alternatives such as putting a generated key into a hidden field in the form which you also store in the session. When you get the POST you check the key you get to make sure that request has come from the form you just generated and not something/someone just using the field set. However, this is not overly secure since spammers just need to get the page containing the form each time. Also, can a form post be run through an email spam filter to identify it as spam? Certainly can. It takes a lot more time and resources to do it but it can be very effective. Do you have any ideas to detect spam form posts? I'm tracking the spam posts in an attempt to find a pattern I can use to detect them. There are projects out there that build databases of spam posts reported by users. You can uses these to filter out spam but it only works if the post is identical to one that has been identified as spam elsewhere. You are usually expected to feed back into those systems with your own reports of spam, but taking part in a larger effort will certainly be more effective than doing it on your own. You might want to check out the source for Akismet which is one of the anti-comment-spam plugins available for Wordpress. There are others around that do similar things. You don't say what context you're taking this data in, but if you can refuse to accept posts containing bbcode-style markup and links you will get rid of 70-80% of bogus posts. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Spam Post Defense / ID spam form posts
Instruct ICC wrote:
Not sure what you mean by hand off the socket to multiple threads on
multiple servers. I think you're talking about detecting that a POST
is spam and passing that off to another machine to handle it.
Yes, that is what I meant. A socket is a lower level object that the
web server is using to communicate.
Wow, that's for that egg-sucking lesson. I would think it was clear from
my answer that I know what a socket is.
Why would you waste any more time with it than you need to.
This was my knee-jerk response that wanted to bring down the attacker's
server. I was wondering if I could spawn multiple threads and on
multiple servers to write back to that attacker socket.
That is pointless since most spam comments come from compromised
machines, so you'd only succeed in pissing essentially innocent (albeit
probably stupid) users.
Moreover that would definitely be illegal and you're more likely to be
sued than the person behind the spam.
Legally?
Grey area. You can put restrictions in the terms and conditions of use
on your site, but AFAIK those have never been legally tested and would
be extremely difficult and prohibitively expensive to enforce.
I'm pretty sure I read that bringing down an attacker's server (or
making the attempt) would put me in the wrong. And yes, I was thinking
of adding legal terms to the form of the type Bogus form submissions
will be {dealt with}.
Sorry, I thought you were questioning the legality of them posting spam
to your site.
Again, no terms and conditions can enable you to break the law.
Then your boss is an idiot. Some form of CAPTCHA is the best defence
currently available.
No comment, except that pay-day is approaching.
Doesn't stop him/her being an idiot. Curious that you only value your
job when payday is approaching.
There are alternatives such as putting a generated key into a hidden
field in the form which you also store in the session. When you get
the POST you check the key you get to make sure that request has come
from the form you just generated and not something/someone just using
the field set. However, this is not overly secure since spammers just
need to get the page containing the form each time.
I was thinking of this and came to the same conclusion.
There are projects out there ...taking part in a larger effort will
certainly be more effective than doing it on your own.
Thanks.
You might want to check out the source for Akismet which is one of the
anti-comment-spam plugins available for Wordpress. There are others
around that do similar things.
I think I saw this name Akismet in my defense searches. I'll take
another look.
You don't say what context you're taking this data in, but if you can
refuse to accept posts containing bbcode-style markup and links you
will get rid of 70-80% of bogus posts.
They do seem to have the bbcode url style markup. Thanks again.
You've got to bear in mind that they are trying to achieve something,
and that something is usually to build traffic and/or inbound links to
their sites. The only way they can do this is to include URLs in their
posts.
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Re: [PHP] Spam Post Defense / ID spam form posts
Instruct ICC wrote: Why don't you and others just reply to the list? (I'm smiling when I say this.) Because that means messing with the recipient list - that's donkey work your client should do, hence my use of reply-to-all. Wow, that's for that egg-sucking lesson. I would think it was clear from my answer that I know what a socket is. Sorry. You understood the concept but it wasn't clear to me that you understood about the socket. Save me a google search and define egg-sucking, although I get your point. To teach someone how to suck eggs means to explain something to them when they already know it. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=teach+someone+how+to+suck+eggs That is pointless since most spam comments come from compromised machines, so you'd only succeed in pissing essentially innocent (albeit probably stupid) users. Moreover that would definitely be illegal and you're more likely to be sued than the person behind the spam. I'll try to remember that. However, the technical interest remains and may be handy for a known attacker server (meaning a known party that is not a compromised innocent). It sounds like I'm looking for a Reflected attack. That would still be illegal. Posting unsolicited commercial messages on a website is not technically illegal in most countries. Attacking a server with the express intention of preventing it from working correctly is in most countries. It's the technological equivalent of getting prosecuted for assault because you defended your property from a burglar. Doesn't stop him/her being an idiot. Curious that you only value your job when payday is approaching. Come on now. I meant that he pays me. I'm not trying to stop him on either count. The point I was trying to make is that your first step should be to find out why he has that position, educate him as to the benefits of the CAPTCHA and the complications that any other approach might have. They do seem to have the bbcode url style markup. Thanks again. You've got to bear in mind that they are trying to achieve something, and that something is usually to build traffic and/or inbound links to their sites. The only way they can do this is to include URLs in their posts. Yes I was wondering, wtf is their objective? To get traffic to their websites that make them money. Think drugs, stocks, dating, and anything else that might be lucrative. The problem is that most of this activity is automated. It's the if you throw enough shit at the wall some of it will stick approach, and worryingly enough it works which is why they keep doing it. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] ptting the variable inside the input
Hulf wrote: This does not work echo $title=$row['title']; echo trtdinput name=\title\ type=\text\ value=\$title\ //td; In what way does it not work and you do realise you're outputting $title on its own as well as the table row and input. This will appear above the table in most browsers since it's not actually part of the table. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] ptting the variable inside the input
Hulf wrote: This does not work echo $title=$row['title']; echo trtdinput name=\title\ type=\text\ value=\$title\ //td; In what way does it not work and you do realise you're outputting $title on its own as well as the table row and input. This will appear above the table in most browsers since it's not actually part of the table. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Declare variables in advance question
Colin Guthrie wrote:
nitrox . wrote:
I want to declare these variables Game_id and Member_id in advance. Following
the suggestionfrom one of my books can I do something like this:
$expected = array('Game_id', 'Member_id');foreach($expected AS $key) {if ( !empty($_POST[$key])) { ${$key} = $_POST[$key];}else { ${$key} = NULL;}} case addmember: switch ($_GET['type']) {case membergame: $sql = INSERT INTO xsm_membergames(Game_id,Member_id) VALUES(' . mysql_real_escape_string((int)$_POST[Game_id])) . ',' . mysql_real_escape_string((int)$_POST[Member_id])) . '); break; } break;
My concern is did I achieve anything with the code I just added to declare the variables? Is it actually being passed to this: case addmember: switch ($_GET['type']) {case membergame: $sql = INSERT INTO xsm_membergames(Game_id,Member_id) VALUES(' . mysql_real_escape_string((int)$_POST[Game_id]) . ',' . mysql_real_escape_string((int)$_POST[Member_id]) . '); break; } break;
I did add this and tested it on my server and I didnt recieve any errors. So how can I be sure its doing what I intended?
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See what you’re getting into…before you go there
http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507
Your code is not formatted very nicly in your mail which makes it very
hard to read, but it's also invalid. There is a case statement in there
without a switch to control it twice.
That being the case the fact that you didn't get any errors indicates
that you have PHP configured to not show errors, warnings and notices. I
strongly recommend you modify your php.ini and set display_errors to on
and error_reporting to E_ALL. Then restart your web server and try your
script again. You should then see lots of errors.
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Re: [PHP] PHP eval() fatal error
Maarten Balliauw wrote:
Here's the thing: I'm trying to do some dynamic code compilation within
PHP using eval(). The code I'm trying to compile raises an E_ERROR (Fatal).
Here's a simple example:
?php
$code = ' $returnValue = 12*A+; '; // Clearly incorrect code :-)
$returnValue = 0;
eval($code);
?
Now, I'd like to catch the error made by eval:
// ...
try {
eval($code);
} catch (Exception $ex) {
var_dump($ex);
}
// ...
Problem persists: a fatal error occurs.
Using set_error_handler() and set_exception_handler() is not working
either...
Is there any way to gracefully catch this error?
Fatal errors are exactly that... fatal. You cannot catch them or recover
from them.
Your best option is to shell out another PHP process, capture the output
and parse that for error messages.
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Re: [PHP] getting from one table listing from another
tedd wrote: At 6:12 PM -0500 8/18/07, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I know this is kinda crazy but I need it :P I have one table that lists name's and I have another table that has the name's and points I want to know how to list the name's of the first table by the points of the second table [/snip] Not crazy, pretty standard from a database point of view; SELECT a.name, b.points FROM table a LEFT OUTER JOIN table b ON(a.name = b.name) This only works if the name in table a matches a name in table b. Then why use a JOIN? It's my understanding that JOINs are used to included unmatched rows -- am I wrong? Wouldn't this be simpler? SELECT a.name, b.points FROM table_name a, table_name_points b WHERE a.name = b.name Besides, all that JOIN stuff makes my head hurt. Maybe so, but what you've done there is an implicit join. I'd recommend you learn as much as you can about join operations - they can make life a lot easier and more efficient. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] for loop inside a switch
Hulf wrote:
Hi,
switch ($q) {
for ($i=0; $i 21; $i++) {
case 'faq$i':
echo $faq1;
break;
}
}
I just want to loop out a big long list of cases.
That's not a valid construct, but if I understand what you're trying do,
this should work...
$faqs = array();
for ($i = 0; $i 21; $i++)
$faqs[] = 'faq'.$i;
if (in_array($q, $faqs))
echo $faq1;
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Re: [PHP] XMLRPC and file_get_contents
Andreas Schlicker wrote:
Hi all,
I'm writing an XML-REC client in PHP, based on the following example:
?php
$request = xmlrpc_encode_request(method, array(1, 2, 3));
$context = stream_context_create(array('http' = array(
'method' = POST,
'header' = Content-Type: text/xml,
'content' = $request
)));
$file = file_get_contents(http://www.example.com/xmlrpc;, false,
$context);
$response = xmlrpc_decode($file);
if (xmlrpc_is_fault($response)) {
trigger_error(xmlrpc: $response[faultString] ($response[faultCode]));
} else {
print_r($response);
}
?
If the XMLRPC call takes longer than say 30 seconds, the
file_get_contents method doesn't returns null, and the script finishes.
However, the XMLRPC server is not finished with the computation and gets
a broken pipe since the client has already closed the connection.
Is there some timeout? Am I doing something wrong?
There could be several timeouts at work here. First you can set a
timeout in the context[1]. Second the PHP request time limit[2]. And
finally your web server (assuming this is running through a web server)
will have its own timeout - check the documentation for whatever server
you're using for details.
[1] http://php.net/wrappers.http
[2] http://php.net/set_time_limit
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Re: [PHP] test for multi-dim array
John Pillion wrote: I'm trying to recursively loop through a multi dimensional array with unknown keys and unknown values, and echo the keys/values to a sql statement, where the key is the field, and the value is the. value. What I want to do is test an array index to see if it has any children indices (which then need to be looped through again), or if it is the lowest level child. in which case, the data needs to be extracted. What is the easiest way to test an array index to see if it has one or more children? Just doing a count() isn't reliable, as their may only be a single parent on the highest level. A combination of is_array and count should be enough. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] QuickTime question
tedd wrote:
Given:
http://www.webbytedd.com/bb/ice/
How can I play the movie inside the page instead of going to another page?
I know that I could use phpclasses, but that seems an overkill.
I think something like this --
$file_source = 'ice-fishing.mov';
$size = filesize($file_source,,);
header('Pragma: public');
header('Last-Modified: '.gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s').' GMT');
header('Cache-Control: must-revalidate, pre-check=0, post-check=0,
max-age=0');
header('Content-Transfer-Encoding: none');
header(Content-type: video/quicktime);
header(Content-Length: . $size);
-- but it's falling short.
Something like this...
object classid=clsid:02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B
codebase=http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab#version=6,0,2,0;
height=153 width=321
param name=src value=ice-fishing.mov
param name=controller value=true
param name=autoplay value=true
embed src=ice-fishing.mov
pluginspage=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/; controller=true
autoplay=true height=153 width=321
/object
I'm sure there are lots of tutorials on the web regarding the details -
I just nicked this code from
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/thesimpsonsmovie/trailer1_small.html
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Re: [PHP] QuickTime question
tedd wrote:
At 4:32 PM +0100 8/15/07, Stut wrote:
tedd wrote:
Given:
http://www.webbytedd.com/bb/ice/
How can I play the movie inside the page instead of going to another
page?
I know that I could use phpclasses, but that seems an overkill.
I think something like this --
$file_source = 'ice-fishing.mov';
$size = filesize($file_source,,);
header('Pragma: public');
header('Last-Modified: '.gmdate('D, d M Y H:i:s').' GMT');
header('Cache-Control: must-revalidate, pre-check=0, post-check=0,
max-age=0');
header('Content-Transfer-Encoding: none');
header(Content-type: video/quicktime);
header(Content-Length: . $size);
-- but it's falling short.
Something like this...
object classid=clsid:02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B
codebase=http://www.apple.com/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab#version=6,0,2,0;
height=153 width=321
param name=src value=ice-fishing.mov
param name=controller value=true
param name=autoplay value=true
embed src=ice-fishing.mov
pluginspage=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/;
controller=true autoplay=true height=153 width=321
/object
I'm sure there are lots of tutorials on the web regarding the details
- I just nicked this code from
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/thesimpsonsmovie/trailer1_small.html
-Stut
-Stut:
That certainly works, --
http://www.webbytedd.com/bb/ice1/
-- but I was hoping for something in the php realm.
I'm confused. What do you mean by inside the page?
If you mean the embedded full-page Quicktime player that you sometimes
get, that's a browser configuration issue and you'll never be able to
control it for everyone, if anyone.
I'm not clear why you want a solution in the php realm? Use the right
tool for the job and life becomes easier.
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Re: [PHP] XML editors
Al wrote: What do you guys use for casual XML editing, besides plain text editors? Ones that'll error check and allow fixing files with errors? Thanks... I tend to use Visual Studio for this sort of thing since I usually have it open anyway. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] XML editors
I assume this comment was aimed at the list and not just me. Kelvin Park wrote: Stut wrote: Al wrote: What do you guys use for casual XML editing, besides plain text editors? Ones that'll error check and allow fixing files with errors? Thanks... I tend to use Visual Studio for this sort of thing since I usually have it open anyway. -Stut eclipse + with the latest web plugin -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] apache content negotiation and $_GET
Per Jessen wrote: Tijnema wrote: This has nothing to do with PHP, and there's only a very little chance you get a successfull result here. Your Apache type-map probably just doesn't take the $_GET variables with it, Yeah, that is possible - I was wondering whether to blaim PHP or Apache. I just thought there was litte risk of apache throwing away the querystring during content-negotiation. I can tell that the $_SERVER[query-string] variable is not set when using the type-map, but it when I go straight to a specific file. That does seem to suggest apache is at fault. Actually it suggests exactly that. Apache is giving PHP the query string, and PHP does nothing to it before it puts it in the $_SERVER variable. So this basically means that when you use the type-map Apache is not populating the query string variable. In short, I'm 5-9's% certain it's Apache that's throwing it away. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] phpinfo problem
Rick Knight wrote: Thanks Chris, That was the problem. Is this new php5? I've used 3 prior php4 version and didn't have this problem. The default value for short_open_tags was flipped a while back. Might I suggest you read the changelog next time you upgrade to a newer version - it tells you important stuff like that. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ Chris wrote: You probably just have short_open_tags set to Off in your php.ini file. If so, either turn it On, or change the file to be: ?php phpinfo(); ? Chris Rick Knight wrote: I have just installed PHP-5.2.3 on my Kubuntu Feisty box. I removed all the debian php first and then compiled php with the options I needed. Now everything seems to be working except phpinfo.php which consists of one line. ? phpinfo(); ? I get a blank screen. If I delete the php.ini file it get the usual phpinfo output. php -r phpinfo(); works as does php -i and my php scripts run fine. What would cause phpinfo.php to not work? It's set rw for the apache2 user so I think the permissions are right. Is there a phpinfo enable/disable in the php.ini? Or in ./configure? Thanks. Rick Knight -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] question about note on php.net
brian wrote: Michael Cooper wrote: Hello, I have a question--is the note from equazcion here correct? It is left unchallenged on the page but I can't see how it is correct since I am under the impression that the environment is refreshed each page load and the function or method definitions (including those for session_set_save_handler) would need to be re-established each page, not each session. I am having tremendous difficulty debugging some code I wrote and eliminating my uncertainty regarding this point would be greatly helpful. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks! Because i'm already procrastinating ... google site:php.net equazcion http://www.php.net/session_set_save_handler wherein: equazcion 10-Mar-2007 02:44 I know this might be obvious, but session_set_save_handler() should only be called once per session, or else your saved data will keep getting reset. If your script doesn't have a predictable start page that will only be called only once per session, place the session_set_save_handler statement in an include file, and call it via require_once(). I doubt that this is correct. The save handler that is being set is not, in itself, a part of the session, but a function that is to be used to act upon the session. That is, there isn't anything inherent to the session in the function. Thus, it wouldn't be saved as *a part of* the session. It's just a handler. It's not as if the function, itself, were a container for the session vars. Looking at the source in head for that function[1] it would appear to fail if a session has already been started, in which case equizcion's comment would be wrong. If the OP is concerned about it I suggest they try it and see what happens. -Stut [1] http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/ext/session/session.c#1473 -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] What's is the needed configuration to enable SOAP?
Brice wrote: I have a little problem with Soap. I programmed a script which works well on all server except one. I had an 'HTTP Error : Couldn't open socket connection to server' Too bad for me it's the main one. I wonder if there is a configuration problem? I just saw that socket is disabled on the main server. Is soap extension needs to enable socket? Google and php documentation said nothing about that. Just a guess, but maybe it's slightly within the realms of possibility that the server cannot make a connection to the other server for some network-related reason. Are you sure that server has a route to the server it's trying to talk to? No firewalls in the way? Is the target server working properly? If you were missing a component required for your code to work PHP would tell you that. The error you're getting simply indicates that it cannot make a connection to the target server. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] very strange behavior.... incomplete query performed
Tijnema wrote: On 8/12/07, Alain Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm still working on importing CSV file content (20.000 records) to database PostgreSQL. when i run the query, once i stored into my table 5218 records, another time 5231 another time 4713 and so on every time the amount of records imported to DB is different. Do you have any idea from where it could come ? Here is my PHP code : snip thanks a lot for any help. -- Alain Might it be that your script times out? try setting the time limit to unlimited: set_time_limit(0); Apache (or w/e your server is) might still timeout, but these values are a lot higher.. :) And if that is the case I would strongly recommend that you turn display_errors on and set error_reporting to E_ALL, at least for that script or if this is a development server do it in php.ini. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php.ini of PHP 5.2.3
Alain Roger wrote: I have a stupid problem. At work i installed the PHP 5.2.1 and it works fine. i uncomment extension = php_opensll and i see that extension is activated because phpinfo show me information about such extension. However, at homw i've just installed PHP 5.2.3 and i did the same as at work but i'm not able to get any table information about openssl via phpinfo(); function. could you help me please ? OpenSSL requires a DLL file to be in the path on Windows. From the manual page (http://php.net/openssl)... Note to Win32 Users: In order for this extension to work, there are DLL files that must be available to the Windows system PATH. See the FAQ titled How do I add my PHP directory to the PATH on Windows for information on how to do this. Although copying DLL files from the PHP folder into the Windows system directory also works (because the system directory is by default in the systems PATH), it is not recommended. This extension requires the following files to be in the PATH: libeay32.dll -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] preg_match_all to match img tags
Tijnema wrote:
On 8/11/07, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard Heyes wrote:
How can i match an image tag correctly so it does not cause any issues
with how the user adds the image.
preg_match_all('/img[^]*/Ui');
Off the top of my head. This wouldn't allow for using the right angle
bracket in the img tag, but that's almost never going to happen in reailty.
Oops that should be:
preg_match_all('/img[^]*/Ui', $input, $matches);
--
Richard Heyes
img src=image.jpg
Your script doesn't catch above ;)
That's not valid HTML and won't get displayed correctly in most browsers.
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Re: [PHP] question about note on php.net
Michael Cooper wrote: Hello, I have a question--is the note from equazcion here correct? It is left unchallenged on the page but I can't see how it is correct since I am under the impression that the environment is refreshed each page load and the function or method definitions (including those for session_set_save_handler) would need to be re-established each page, not each session. I am having tremendous difficulty debugging some code I wrote and eliminating my uncertainty regarding this point would be greatly helpful. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks! Erm, what note where on php.net? -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] string as file
Robert Cummings wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 16:28 +0100, Stut wrote: Rick Pasotto wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 02:19:29PM +0100, Stut wrote: Rick Pasotto wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 03:25:27PM -0500, Greg Donald wrote: On 8/9/07, Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does php have a facility similar to python's stringIO? What I'm wanting to do is similar to a mail merge. IOW, I know I can create an include file like: $out = EOT This is an example of $var1 and $var2. EOT; and then after assigning values to $var1 and $var2 include that file. I can later use different values for $var1 and $var2 and get a different $out with a second include. eval() Explain. One word responses really don't do any good. Exactly *what* would be the argument to eval()? RTFM, that's what it's there for. I did. That's why I rejected the use of eval() before I posted the message. eval() is totally unsuitable for what I want. Unless, that is, you or Greg can explain how using eval() will get me what I want. I think that neither you nor Greg understands what I'm looking for. Instead of simply stating 'RTFM' perhaps *you* should RTFQuestion. Your original post asked... Can I someout include a string instead of a file? That's exactly what eval does. As for what you would pass to it... PHP code maybe? Have you even tried it? The manual page for eval has several examples of how to use it, and the comments have even more. Incidentally, eval is evil and potentially a giant security hole. You'd be better off doing replacements with preg_match rather than executing a string. Agreed. That's another reason I had already rejected it. Although in this case, since I would have full control of all the variables, it would probably be ok. Use regular expressions or straight string replacements - that's the best way to implement mail-merge type behaviour. Personally I used preg_replace with the 'e' modifier. For an example see, shockingly, the manual page for preg_replace. Now go stick your head in a pig. Spider-Pig, Spider-Pig, does whatever a Spider-Pig does... :) I love Fridays!! It's Friday? Gawdammit! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday morning brain farts....
Daniel Brown wrote: On 8/10/07, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If PHP thinks something might be wrong it will tell you. Why on earth would you want to ignore it? You think you're smarter than PHP? Really? Okay, Stut, let's not make Friday the official Flame Dan Brown holiday this week. I vote that it should be later in the year. However, it should also be noted that my development is never done on a production server attached to the Internet, for one; and on my development machine, E_NOTICE is always enabled. I just fail to see the benefit in alerting visitors to the site that there may have been something overlooked at some point. Whoa there nelly, that's a whole other thing. I've never said users get to see notices. They never see warnings or errors. That's what the display_errors and log_errors options in php.ini are for. On my production servers error_reporting is set to E_ALL, display_errors is off and log_errors is on. I get an email from each server containing the contents of the error log from the previous day and my first task each day is to go through that and track down any issues that usage has highlighted. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Getting a 'newline' out of a string
Faither wrote:
I'm kind of lost with how str_replace , preg_replace, ereg_replace or
even explode are handling a \n-ewline.
I have a text string from a form and am trying to replace the \n or
chr(10) or however you might call the newline with a simple html break tag.
If I use the replacing functions I get the br-tags where there are
newlines from the textarea of the form. BUT I still have the newlines
remain.
So I tried a different approach breaking the text down into an array using:
explode(' ', $string)
in conjunction with trim() and again made a string out of the array. -
br-tags still there, newlines aswell -.-'
Next thing I tried was exploding the string using the \n and chr(10).
This function ignored all newlines and gave me an array with one key and
the entire text of the textarea as value Oh... and the newlines of
course were there aswell...
So... How can I get rid of these?! - I just want them gone!
Is it even possible under windows? ^^
First of all look at http://php.net/nl2br which does exactly what you're
trying to do.
Second try this...
$string = str_replace(\r\n, 'br /', $string);
$string = str_replace(\n, 'br /', $string);
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Re: [PHP] Running a server process
Tijnema wrote: On 8/10/07, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tijnema wrote: On 8/10/07, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tijnema wrote: On 8/10/07, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is it works with just me using the site. I am wondering how this would effect performance if say 500 people were executing this php function around the same time and the processing overlapped. Is there anyway to make an executable run as a service, I am guessing at the terminology that I should use here, but I feel there would be a much more efficient way of performing this task. Well, ideally you don't run an executable. But if you must, there's some Windows program that turns an executable into a service. But then there's the consideration of communicating with it, which you could do with sockets. Or you could use a file. -- Richard Heyes +44 (0)844 801 1072 http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk I don't know if there a program exists that can convert the program to a service, I think you need to compile it as a service from source code, but as I mentioned in my first post, and you mentioned here too, you also need to add support for a socket server in your program. Sockets in PHP are easy ;) http://www.firedaemon.com/ But you're right, you'd need a way to communicate with the service. -Stut Well stut, this doesn't really run your program as a service. The program itself is a server, and simply starts every program when that service starts. That's not the same as running the program as a service. That's extremely pedantic. As a service simply means it responds to messages from the OS such as start, pause and stop. Firedaemon wraps your executable in a process that does just that. So technically you're correct, it doesn't turn your executable into a service, it wraps it in one, but the effect is essentially the same. If you need the extra control you'll get over it by rewriting your executable to actually be a service then you should do that. But if you're working with something you don't have the source for, or don't have the time to implement such a modification then Firedaemon is the best option I've come across. -Stut Yes, but if you don't have the source, you can't add socket support, and then you can do quite less with a program... Unless you already have socket support in the program, but that seems quite odd to me ;) Sockets aren't the only IPC mechanism available. And besides, I was countering your general statement regarding Firedaemon, not the applicability of Firedaemon to the OP's problem, which we can't comment on without knowing a lot more information about it. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Running a server process
Tijnema wrote: On 8/10/07, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tijnema wrote: On 8/10/07, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is it works with just me using the site. I am wondering how this would effect performance if say 500 people were executing this php function around the same time and the processing overlapped. Is there anyway to make an executable run as a service, I am guessing at the terminology that I should use here, but I feel there would be a much more efficient way of performing this task. Well, ideally you don't run an executable. But if you must, there's some Windows program that turns an executable into a service. But then there's the consideration of communicating with it, which you could do with sockets. Or you could use a file. -- Richard Heyes +44 (0)844 801 1072 http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk I don't know if there a program exists that can convert the program to a service, I think you need to compile it as a service from source code, but as I mentioned in my first post, and you mentioned here too, you also need to add support for a socket server in your program. Sockets in PHP are easy ;) http://www.firedaemon.com/ But you're right, you'd need a way to communicate with the service. -Stut Well stut, this doesn't really run your program as a service. The program itself is a server, and simply starts every program when that service starts. That's not the same as running the program as a service. That's extremely pedantic. As a service simply means it responds to messages from the OS such as start, pause and stop. Firedaemon wraps your executable in a process that does just that. So technically you're correct, it doesn't turn your executable into a service, it wraps it in one, but the effect is essentially the same. If you need the extra control you'll get over it by rewriting your executable to actually be a service then you should do that. But if you're working with something you don't have the source for, or don't have the time to implement such a modification then Firedaemon is the best option I've come across. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] string as file
Rick Pasotto wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 02:19:29PM +0100, Stut wrote: Rick Pasotto wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 03:25:27PM -0500, Greg Donald wrote: On 8/9/07, Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does php have a facility similar to python's stringIO? What I'm wanting to do is similar to a mail merge. IOW, I know I can create an include file like: $out = EOT This is an example of $var1 and $var2. EOT; and then after assigning values to $var1 and $var2 include that file. I can later use different values for $var1 and $var2 and get a different $out with a second include. eval() Explain. One word responses really don't do any good. Exactly *what* would be the argument to eval()? RTFM, that's what it's there for. I did. That's why I rejected the use of eval() before I posted the message. eval() is totally unsuitable for what I want. Unless, that is, you or Greg can explain how using eval() will get me what I want. I think that neither you nor Greg understands what I'm looking for. Instead of simply stating 'RTFM' perhaps *you* should RTFQuestion. Your original post asked... Can I someout include a string instead of a file? That's exactly what eval does. As for what you would pass to it... PHP code maybe? Have you even tried it? The manual page for eval has several examples of how to use it, and the comments have even more. Incidentally, eval is evil and potentially a giant security hole. You'd be better off doing replacements with preg_match rather than executing a string. Agreed. That's another reason I had already rejected it. Although in this case, since I would have full control of all the variables, it would probably be ok. Use regular expressions or straight string replacements - that's the best way to implement mail-merge type behaviour. Personally I used preg_replace with the 'e' modifier. For an example see, shockingly, the manual page for preg_replace. Now go stick your head in a pig. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] help with ming library
Diana wrote: How do I install the ming library on windows?? I copied the php_ming.dll that I had on another computer and enabled this line in php.ini extension=php_ming.dll but I still get that error Call to undefined function Ming_setScale() Have you restarted your web server (Apache, IIS, whatever) since changing php.ini? -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday morning brain farts....
Robert Cummings wrote:
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 11:48 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote:
On 8/10/07, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I get an email from each
server containing the contents of the error log from the previous day
and my first task each day is to go through that and track down any
issues that usage has highlighted.
That's actually a good point there that I can take away from this.
I actually don't have anything set to send me a log of code issues,
only when an error is caused (and, of course, anything server-related,
but that's a different point entirely).
Simple enough... put the following in a file, and add a cron job.
#!/usr/bin/php -qC
?php
if( !isset( $argv[1] ) || !isset( $argv[2] ) || !isset( $argv[3] ) )
{
echo Usage: {$argv[0]} subject email path\n;
exit( 1 );
}
$subject = $argv[1];
$email = $argv[2];
$path= $argv[3];
$content = implode( '', file( $path ) );
if( trim( $content ) === '' )
{
$content = 'NO ERRORS TODAY!!!';
}
mail( $email, $subject, $content );
?
I used to have something similar to this until someone uploaded a script
that started writing to the error log like mad. Overnight my poor little
script tried to load a 240meg log file into memory and email it to me. I
now use a simple bash script that pipes the log to the mail command -
much safer.
Should probably say that it also renames the log file, graceful's
Apache, zips the old log and moves it to an archive file server. Rob's
script above, used without something that starts a new log will result
in ever-increasing emails.
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Re: [PHP] Friday morning brain farts....
Daniel Brown wrote: On 8/10/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never disable E_NOTICE or even E_STRICT. I'm humbled in the presence of greatness. I do my best to ensure that there are no notices or warnings, but I still disable E_NOTICE in general, because I know that it's not going to end the world. Do your best? If you set out with the goal of not allowing your sites to generate notices it's no harder than ignoring them. The benefits far outweigh the minimal cost. I must admin that a couple of sites I've been involved with over the years have run with notices ignored, but that's only because they consisted of large amounts of code that had been written without any regard for them. Of all the sites I've worked on those were some of the worst. If PHP thinks something might be wrong it will tell you. Why on earth would you want to ignore it? You think you're smarter than PHP? Really? -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday morning brain farts....
Daniel Brown wrote: On 8/10/07, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad Dan *slap*. Ignoring notices may be detrimental to your health and/or well-being. Better to initialise it with a default if it has not been set in the request. if (!isset($_GET['order'])) $_GET['order'] = 'Last'; Ouch! So you're all going to tell me that you have E_NOTICE set to report on your sites? Look, I didn't say it was the Right Way[tm], but it is safe to ignore. I do indeed. E_NOTICE can help find certain bugs faster than any other method I've found. Turning them off is both lazy and dangerous. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday morning brain farts....
Daniel Brown wrote: On 8/10/07, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All :) Hope you're not getting sick of my questions as of late, but I keep getting closer and closer and thank you all who have helped me in the past! The only reason I can see this far is I am standing on the shoulders of giants don't know who said that but I like it :) Anyway... Onto the question... I think I'm just going crazy as it's been a busy week for me, but I can't figure out how to do this. What I am attempting to do is, I have a webpage(Don't we all?) that calls info to be displayed from a database, I want to be able to sort that info so my sql query looks like: Select * from current order by '$order'; and $order is populated by a GET when they click on a link: A href=index.php?order='Last'Sort by last name/A Now... the whole PHP page is being included in a .shtml page to actually display it and make it look purrdee :) How do I get it to resort the info and include the new sort on the page? I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but: $order = $_GET['order']; --Line 6 [Fri Aug 10 10:42:04 2007] [error] PHP Notice: Undefined index: order in /Volumes/RAIDer/webserver/Documents/tests/legion/index.php on line 6 Any help will be greatly appreciated.. And if it solves the problem I'll name some of my kids* after you! *Subject to approval of the Wife :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember to clean that input before you sit down at the table, there, boy! It's safe to ignore the `Undefined index` notices. That will just appear if a variable is referenced without first being instantiated or defined. No biggie, just put this at the head of your code: ini_set(error_reporting,E_ALL ~E_NOTICE); Bad Dan *slap*. Ignoring notices may be detrimental to your health and/or well-being. Better to initialise it with a default if it has not been set in the request. if (!isset($_GET['order'])) $_GET['order'] = 'Last'; -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] manual vs. meta refresh
Kevin Murphy wrote: I doubt this, but is there any way to determine via PHP if a browser was refreshed automatically via a META tag vs the person clicking the refresh button? Add a GET variable to the URL you put in the meta tag to tell you it came from the meta tag. P.S. Please note that my e-mail and website address have changed from wncc.edu to wnc.edu. Then you might want to change the from address in your mail client! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] string as file
Rick Pasotto wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 03:25:27PM -0500, Greg Donald wrote: On 8/9/07, Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does php have a facility similar to python's stringIO? What I'm wanting to do is similar to a mail merge. IOW, I know I can create an include file like: $out = EOT This is an example of $var1 and $var2. EOT; and then after assigning values to $var1 and $var2 include that file. I can later use different values for $var1 and $var2 and get a different $out with a second include. eval() Explain. One word responses really don't do any good. Exactly *what* would be the argument to eval()? RTFM, that's what it's there for. Incidentally, eval is evil and potentially a giant security hole. You'd be better off doing replacements with preg_match rather than executing a string. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Import XLS file with UTF-8
Alain Roger wrote: Hi, So now i know how to import the content of the CSV file to database, however, before to import to database i do a simple test. in fact, i display in my browser all content of my CSV file. unfortunately, not all characters are displayed correctly. in PHP page include meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 but it does not help to display the Slovak Characters which are correctly display in EXCEL when i open the CSV file with it. i tried to display a standar slovak web page in my browser and it works perfectly well. So where could be the problem ? The Content-Type needs to match the file type, so if the file is not UTF-8 extended characters will not be displayed correctly when it's displayed as UTF-8. Try removing that meta tag and see what the browser makes of the file by guessing. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Running a server process
Tijnema wrote: On 8/10/07, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is it works with just me using the site. I am wondering how this would effect performance if say 500 people were executing this php function around the same time and the processing overlapped. Is there anyway to make an executable run as a service, I am guessing at the terminology that I should use here, but I feel there would be a much more efficient way of performing this task. Well, ideally you don't run an executable. But if you must, there's some Windows program that turns an executable into a service. But then there's the consideration of communicating with it, which you could do with sockets. Or you could use a file. -- Richard Heyes +44 (0)844 801 1072 http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk I don't know if there a program exists that can convert the program to a service, I think you need to compile it as a service from source code, but as I mentioned in my first post, and you mentioned here too, you also need to add support for a socket server in your program. Sockets in PHP are easy ;) http://www.firedaemon.com/ But you're right, you'd need a way to communicate with the service. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: get domain component from email
Richard Lynch wrote: On Wed, August 8, 2007 4:26 am, Stut wrote: Completely agree. It's like banning someone from a pub based on the clothes they were wearing the last time you saw them. Yeah, one drunk abusive chick in a little black dress could get EVERY gal in a little black dress banned. That's pretty messed up. :-) Messed up? That would be a disaster. It could happen to hot pants too! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] I know this is not easy and I'm not stupid but...
Phil Curry wrote:
how can this be? This is not the first time I've run into a situation
like this. What am I missing?
line 102echo ($userValues['afterDark']); // outputs 1
line 103if ( $userValues['afterDark'] == 0 ) {// passes
Add a line at 102.5...
var_dump($userValues['afterDark']);
What type is that variable?
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Re: [PHP] Access parent property from child
Suprie wrote:
function getDB()
{
return $this-$db;
}
There should not be a $ before db. It should be $this-db. That's why
PHP is telling you the property is empty... because it is.
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Re: [PHP] Segmentation fault on PHP CLI
Martin Marques wrote: I have a script which I run from cron. I'm testing it directly from the console: /usr/bin/php -f /path/to/script.php The thing is: Script executes great, and everything it has to do gets done, but it throughs a segmentation fault at the end. Is there anyway to debug PHP CLI? I'm using php5 from debian etch: $ php -v PHP 5.2.0-8+etch7 (cli) (built: Jul 2 2007 21:46:15) Copyright (c) 1997-2006 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2006 Zend Technologies BTW: all this is on the development server. On the production server the cron runs without this problem. Is PHP on the production server the same old version? I would start by upgrading your development server to the latest version as you may be hitting a known bug that's already been fixed. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] I know this is not easy and I'm not stupid but...
Please include the list when replying.
Phil Curry wrote:
Phil Curry wrote:
how can this be? This is not the first time I've run into a situation
like this. What am I missing?
line 102echo ($userValues['afterDark']); // outputs 1
line 103if ( $userValues['afterDark'] == 0 ) {// passes
Add a line at 102.5...
var_dump($userValues['afterDark']);
What type is that variable?
Don't have to do a dump, I know its a tinyint(1), not null, default 0
That would be the type in the database, not the type of that variable at
that time.
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Re: [PHP] Forwarding $_POST[]...
Tony Di Croce wrote: I keep wanting to do something, and either I dont know how to do it, or I'm doing something wrong and need to rethink things. Quite often, I have a form that submits to a php script via POST and after doing some processing (or more frequently, asking the user a question), I'd like to forward those $_POST[] vars to another script (or even the same script). Sounds like an architectural issue to me. Think about why you want to do this. Can you not just include the other script rather than causing another HTTP request? I could do something complicated and store the $_POST vars in $_SESSION[], but what I'd rather do is simply add a var to $_POST[] and resubmit this to the same .php. Let me get this straight... you want to add a variable to the $_POST array and then re-run the current script? Put the functionality you need into a function and then use standard control structures (while, if, foreach, etc) to call it over and over again if necessary. There's absolutely no need to cause another HTTP request. Is their any way to do this, or do I need to rethink things? Rethink things. There's almost certainly a better way but without knowing why you think you need to do this it's not possible to help any further. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: get domain component from email
Richard Lynch wrote: On Tue, August 7, 2007 6:21 pm, Stut wrote: Kevin Waterson wrote: I would like to prevent registration of emails from certain domains that abuse a forum. eg: foo.uy7f564d8d6d.com These domains are registered by the thousands by spammers and because they use dyndns it is impossible to use an IP block. You are also likely to screw up and end up banning legitimate users who happen to use DynDns for perfectly valid reasons. I don't think he meant DynDns the company, I think he just mean DHCP addresses. I would suggest that you abandon trying to ban users based on domain, or IP, and focus on their actual content/contributions post-registration. As a bonus, by banning users based on content and not email address, you'll also catch those who use valid email addresses that you'd never be able to rule out in any predictive sensible way. Completely agree. It's like banning someone from a pub based on the clothes they were wearing the last time you saw them. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] get domain component from email
Daniel Brown wrote: On 8/7/07, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, August 7, 2007 1:25 pm, Kevin Waterson wrote: Im looking for a way to get the domain from an email address. Not sub domains, just the domain, so [EMAIL PROTECTED] would return example.com.mn similarly, the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] would return example.com perhaps an array of tld's, then strip the tld off the end and anything before that and the next . is the domain? also, somebody told me .co.uk was a tld, but I cannot see it listed http://www.iana.org/root-whois/index.html I think you're in trouble... The rules for what is or isn't a TLD have changed over time. I did see a nice article the other day in the RFCs about some pragmatic ways to do this right without killing yourself, or coding something that's bound to break within a very short time. Don't know the RFC# offhand though, but I got the feeling that it was pretty recent... The LAST thing you want to do is hard-code the list of known TLDs from today, because that will change too often. .co.uk is a TLD, afaik... My understanding was that .co.uk and like domains were still SLDs, but where a TLD wasn't available for registration under the ccTLD format for the respective country. This is just terminology, but to make it clear... .co.uk is a ccTLD not an SLD and .uk is *not* a TLD. The IANA website has lots of info on this stuff. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Why do I always come up with the hard stuff?
Jason Pruim wrote:
Yes I am hijacking a thread just to screw with all the people who use
threaded e-mail viewers and because I'm mean like that :P
Figured since yall have to much time on your hands anyway I'd give you
something else to gripe about... :)
Now... My question :)
?php
$mysqli = new mysqli(localhost, user, password, database);
/* check connection */
if (mysqli_connect_errno()) {
printf(Connect failed: %s\n, mysqli_connect_error());
exit();
}
printf(Host information: %s\n, $mysqli-host_info);
/* close connection */
$mysqli-close();
?
[Tue Aug 7 11:19:20 2007] [error] PHP Fatal error: Trying to clone an
uncloneable object of class mysqli in
/Volumes/RAIDer/webserver/Documents/tests/legion/mysqli.php on line 2
What is wrong with line 2? The login info is correct since I use it to
connect with the old mysql_connect stuff and it works just fine... What
am I missing?
Are you trying to use mysqli with PHP4? Either way you can probably get
rid of the error by putting an between the = and the new.
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Re: [PHP] Re: get domain component from email
Dan wrote: yes co.uk is a tdl. No it's not, it's a ccTLD which is a TLD specific to a country. Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all. Im looking for a way to get the domain from an email address. Not sub domains, just the domain, so [EMAIL PROTECTED] would return example.com.mn similarly, the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] would return example.com perhaps an array of tld's, then strip the tld off the end and anything before that and the next . is the domain? also, somebody told me .co.uk was a tld, but I cannot see it listed http://www.iana.org/root-whois/index.html What are you actually trying to achieve? -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: get domain component from email
Jim Lucas wrote:
Dan wrote:
What are you trying to do exactly, maybe there's a better way. If
you're trying to determine if an email address is valid there's a
pretty cool way to do so by using dns records. It's like 5 lines,
here's the site http://www.sitepoint.com/article/users-email-address-php
As far as actually just getting the domain, w/o subdomains from a
string you could try this. I'm not sure if the code runs because I
haven't tested it, and I have been working exclusively with Delphi for
a month so something might be off.
function getDomain($email)
{
list($userName, $mailDomain) = split(@, $email);
$anarray = split(., $mailDomain);
for ($i = 0; $i count($anarray); $i++)
{
if (in_array($anarray[$i], $TLDArray)) // if $anarray[$i] is a TDL
then we move back 1 to get it's domain
return $anarray[$i-1] . '.' . $anarray[$i];
}
}
As far as I can tell, this doesn't work at all.
Yours,
http://www.cmsws.com/examples/php/domain_verification/example2.php
Mine,
http://www.cmsws.com/examples/php/domain_verification/example.php
And yours is fatally flawed. Not all ccTLDs are sub-divided.
http://dev.stut.net/php/domain.php
http://stut.be/
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Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all.
Im looking for a way to get the domain from an email address.
Not sub domains, just the domain, so
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
would return
example.com.mn
similarly, the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] would return
example.com
perhaps an array of tld's, then strip the tld off the end and anything
before that and the next . is the domain?
also, somebody told me .co.uk was a tld, but I cannot see it listed
http://www.iana.org/root-whois/index.html
Kind regards
Kevin
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Re: [PHP] javascript in head or in body ?
Richard Davey wrote: Tuesday, August 7, 2007, 9:52:28 PM, you wrote: PHP is the absolute worst language to do any sort of OO programming in. Ignoring the digg user mentality of that statement, try ASP if you want to see OO suck *royally* ASP is not a language, it's most like a framework. I think you meant VB6. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: get domain component from email
Jim Lucas wrote:
Stut wrote:
Jim Lucas wrote:
Dan wrote:
What are you trying to do exactly, maybe there's a better way. If
you're trying to determine if an email address is valid there's a
pretty cool way to do so by using dns records. It's like 5 lines,
here's the site
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/users-email-address-php
As far as actually just getting the domain, w/o subdomains from a
string you could try this. I'm not sure if the code runs because I
haven't tested it, and I have been working exclusively with Delphi
for a month so something might be off.
function getDomain($email)
{
list($userName, $mailDomain) = split(@, $email);
$anarray = split(., $mailDomain);
for ($i = 0; $i count($anarray); $i++)
{
if (in_array($anarray[$i], $TLDArray)) // if $anarray[$i] is a
TDL then we move back 1 to get it's domain
return $anarray[$i-1] . '.' . $anarray[$i];
}
}
As far as I can tell, this doesn't work at all.
Yours,
http://www.cmsws.com/examples/php/domain_verification/example2.php
Mine,
http://www.cmsws.com/examples/php/domain_verification/example.php
And yours is fatally flawed. Not all ccTLDs are sub-divided.
ok, too quick on the draw there.
one would have to be able to run a whois look up on the output to see if
it fails or succeeds to be able to get the final verdict, but it would
get you most of the way there. :)
Indeed, your fixed version converts stut.co.uk (whose owner I
periodically curse) to co.uk.
Which brings me back to my earlier question of why would you want to do
this? I can't think of any reason, but then again it is getting late.
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Re: [PHP] Re: get domain component from email
Jim Lucas wrote: Are all domains that use ccTLD's created/formatted like other not ccTLD's just with the .uk or whatever tagged on the end? Something like this your example stut.co.uk is this the base for your domain. Basically, would this be stut.com if it were a dot.com ?? or would it be something like... stut.getyourfreesubdomains.com ?? I guess, this is my question. When you registered that domain. you registered stut.co.uk, right? or was it something else? Unfortunately I didn't manage to snag stut.co.uk before Stu Turner did (grr), but yes, a .co.uk is top level as far as UK domains go. I cannot register stut.uk. As I understand it, the IANA don't define what the sponsor can do with each ccTLD when they take control of it. Some, like .uk domains, split it up into smaller chunks (co.uk, org.uk, net.uk, etc). Others, like .it and .be are not split in that way. Hope that answers your question. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Echoing input w/o sanatizing - what is the danger
Dan wrote: I've always heard it is bad if you let a user type some input, then show it back to them w/o sanatizing the code. Eg. I have a form, where the user types something, they hit submit and it submits to itself then prints back to the user something like, account created with password: whatever they typed. Why and how do you sanatize what they typed before echoing it back to them? I figured it was something like they could type in PHP commands but I tried typeing phpinfo(); into the box and submitting. All that happened is that it echoed phpinfo(); Can someone explain this? The main danger is Javascript. If a user can submit some Javascript to your site that it then outputs to other users you've got yourself one big security hole. As for sanitizing content, the easy rule is to use htmlentities when you output it. That will effectively neutralise any HTML tags they've used, including scripts. If you want to allow a subset of HTML then you need to be very careful because Javascript can be attached to any tag through events. There are plenty of resources on the web describing the various methods you can use to do it safely. I usually use a very restricted set of tags and strip anything else. Finally make sure you test it thoroughly. Try entering every combination of invalid content you can, and also make sure you give it to the smartest friend you have to do the same - ideally someone who's had nothing to do with the development. Other people will always be more devious than you are when it comes to trying to break your code. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: get domain component from email
Kevin Waterson wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which brings me back to my earlier question of why would you want to do
this? I can't think of any reason, but then again it is getting late.
I would like to prevent registration of emails from certain domains that
abuse a forum. eg: foo.uy7f564d8d6d.com
These domains are registered by the thousands by spammers and because they
use dyndns it is impossible to use an IP block.
Banning the subdomain is pointless as this is easily changed and they may
re-register.
In pseudo-PHP (i.e. untested)...
$banned = array('example.net', 'example.co.uk');
list(,$domain) = explode('@', $emailaddress, 2);
$banned = false;
foreach ($banned as $ban)
{
if ($domain == $ban ||
preg_match('|\.'.preg_quote($ban).'$|i', $domain))
{
$banned = true;
break;
}
}
if ($banned) die('Bad spammer. *slap*');
Far more efficient than trying to do what you asked for help with no
matter how long your banned list gets.
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Re: [PHP] Problems in php
racol wrote: Dear Sirs, I have installed a Sambar 64 server and PHP 4.7 plus MySql. I connect through localhost and the PHPINFO.php file works OK on IE and Firefox. PHPINFO.php shows that the php.ini file is situated in C:/Windows as advised and I have altered the error_log and extensions_dir as advised by Sambar. The problem is: When I try to run a php file, either to connect to MySql OR just a simple Create Button file, neither browser will output either file. I get no error messages and the error logs show nothing significant. I just get the html source code (NONE of the php code) when I interrogate 'view source' in IE and just a blank in Firefox. Can you please advise. I don't know where to look next. I attach the two test files for your perusal. You have an error in your code. Edit your php.ini and make sure display_errors is on and error_reporting is at least showing errors and warnings, and ideally notices too. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Saving
Dan wrote: Has anyone had to save the insance of a class which had a properties which were pointers? I have a really simple class. Just a few functions and a couple properties variables. But now I need to be able to save the class to a file. Of course when you re-open the file the pointers will be useless. I was thinking and the only way I came up with storing this to file would be to get the Name of the TTabSheets and the Text of the Node. That way when I read it back in I just have to search for those names in the PageControl and Tree by looping through and set those. Although this would probably work it's probably not the best way to do it right? TPage = class private pge: TTabSheet; par: TTabSheet; txt: String; show: Boolean; node: TTreeNode; function GetTab: TTabSheet; procedure SetTab(Tab: TTabSheet); function GetText: String; procedure SetText(text: String); public Constructor Create; overload; Constructor Create(pg: TTabSheet; text: String; pare: TTabSheet = nil; showProp: boolean = true); overload; property page: TTabSheet read GetTab write SetTab; property text: String read GetText write SetText; end; That looks a lot like Delphi not PHP. I'm assuming that means you're using that freaky Delphi for PHP thing in which case you'll have better luck on their mailing list(s). -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to implement a plugin system?
Hamza Saglam wrote: Thanks for your response. However I am looking for something a bit more comprehensive :) I could do it as you suggested if I had only a few plugins. As I am going to add loads of plugins over the time, rather than adding all the plugins one by one, could something like a 'loader' class be implemented? What I mean by that is, it will take the requested plugin names (with their own parameters necessary) and load/initialise them. In semi-psuedo-code, it would be something like: foreach plugin suplied as the argument include the plugin initialise it end Perhaps I should change the question to: Do you think something like this would be efficient and useable? If not what sort of pattern would you follow? What you're describing is the Factory pattern, and yes that's the most efficient way to implement plugins. You should never load classes unless you need them - it's a complete waste of time, and definitely not recommended if you're going to have a lot of plugins. I would suggest you name your plugins X_plugin, Y_plugin and Z_plugin (where plugin could be anything) because that adds a level of security. Otherwise you could open yourself up to security issues because the user could instantiate any class in your system. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ Borokov Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Hamza, require_once($chosenPlugin . '.class.php'); $obj = new $chosenPlugin(); return $obj; And you can start from there. hth, boro Hamza Saglam schreef: Hello all, I am working on a project which needs to have some sort of plugins architecture and I am kinda stuck. Basically I want to give a list of items to the user, and according to his/her selection, I want to load relevant functionality into my application. I was thinking of having an abstract plugin class, and have the plugins implement that but then how would I actually load the plugins? Say for instance I want to load plugins X,Y,Z (and lets say i implemented them as [X|Y|Z].class.php) , should I just 'include' (or require) them? Or should I initialize all possible plugins and just pick the ones user has chosen (which sounds a bit pointless as it would load unnecessary stuff)? How would you go about doing something like this? Thanks. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Adding to time having a timestamp
OOzy Pal wrote:
How can I add a day to a date if I have a timestamp. Here is my line:
list($d,$m,$y,$dayname,$monthname,$am)=explode(' ',date('d m Y D M a',
$timestamp));
Thank you in advance
$timestamp = $timestamp + 86400;
A timestamp is a number of seconds and there are 86400 seconds in a day.
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Re: [PHP] Premature Ajax-ulation
Jay Blanchard wrote: One of my developers saw the following article; http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070802-security-experts-warn-deve lopers-about-the-risks-of-premature-ajax-ulation.html How are you securing Ajax? I know that for the most part we send data to a PHP script for processing, so all of the normal rules for sending that data apply (mysql_real_escape_string(), etc.) Validation, validation, validation. The big danger with doing anything on the client-side is that it's all to easy to fall into blindly trusting what the client is giving you, even the smallest assumption can create a big hole in your app. Don't assume events will happen the way you expect them to. Don't assume users won't be able to make requests just because your logic *should not* allow it. In short, don't treat it any different to any other web application. There is no difference, you still need to do all the validation on every request whether it's AJAX or not. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Downloading PHP 521
WyleySam wrote: Exactly where does one go to download PHP 521, not 523, not 522 but 521??? Every link I clicked on at http://www.php.net/ took me to 523, which I don't want. http://museum.php.net/php5/ -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] OT- why is network solutions more than godaddy?
blackwater dev wrote: I have to register a bunch of names and am trying to figure out why I would pay $35 when I can just pay $9 at godaddy. Does godaddy own it and I lease it from them??? Network Solutions are expensive, GoDaddy are cheap. That's all there is to it. In my experience customer service from both can be pretty shoddy or excellent depending on the day of the week and the phase of the moon. My advice is that if it's between the two, go with GoDaddy - you won't get any less for your money than you would with NetSol. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mail function
Animesh Joshi wrote: I've installed IIS (Internet information services on my windows XP machine. I've also installed php 5.0 from www.php.net. I'm trying to use the mail() function in a simple php script which uses a html form. However, i'm not able to send the mail using the mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers); function. I wonder what's wrong. Please help, i'm new to php. Please review the Runtime Configuration section of http://uk.php.net/mail and make sure you've told php.ini about your mail server. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] subtitute of mysql_error()
Patrik Hasibuan wrote: Dear my friends What is the substitute of mysql_error() ? This line of my code does not work anymore: $hslgbr=mysql_query($sqlgbr,$konek) or die ( mysql_error() ); Thank you very much in advance. In what way does it not work anymore? The code above is perfectly valid. Incidentally, there is no need to put a single variable in quotes - all this does is cause extra pointless work for the PHP engine. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] I'm prepared to feel like an idiot... But I just simply need the answer :)
Jason Pruim wrote: I have a php script that I am attempting to run from the CLI to connect to a MySQL database and update a field. but when I run it with this command: php cronjob.php it prints out the script on screen but doesn't process it... Running: php-rphpinfo(); prints out the standard phpinfo screen.. and I don't think I should have to write it differently to make it run from the command line right? Sounds like you're not using ?php and ? tags to surround your code. Without those PHP will simply output the content of the file rather than running it. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about passing date in sql...
Michael Preslar wrote: I know it has to do with date='`date +%Y%m%d`', because if I remove it works. Are you trying to use perl's back tic operator in php here? PHP also supports the that. However, I think the OP's problem is that it's inside other quotes and is therefore not being executed. But, as someone else pointed out, you should be using the PHP date function to get the date from within PHP. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Authentication
Dan Shirah wrote: Correct Stut, I want transparent authentication, but I also want to have the currently logged in user name pulled so I can use it for tracking purposes. My application deals with very sensitive company information and I want to pull the username for tracking purposes. I have everything running local on the same PC. Win2k3 server, IIS, PHP and MSSQL Server. I have PHP installed for use with ldap and have NT Authentication set in IIS for the site. This allows me to perform the transparency, but I can't seem to extract the username. Spit out the contents of $_SERVER with print_r - it's probably in there somewhere. print 'pre'.print_r($_SERVER, true).'/pre'; -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
tedd wrote: At 8:53 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: Don't expect that only one living entity can envision such a permutation. Don't expect anyone with our limitations to be capable to determine the truth of that statement. The phone was independently envisioned by two distinct humans at the same time. The same is true of calculus. So you are wrong, we are capable of determine the validity of the statement by the existence of such events in history. -snip- No, I was addressing a concept deeper than that. The only one who can envision such a permutation is God, not man. Your previous paragraph mentioned permutation of what might exist -- which would be infinite. The only living entity that fills that bill is God. Now, you may argue that, but it's not a topic for this list. Indeed not, but I must point out your assumption that God exists which is in no way a certainty regardless of your beliefs. -Stut Yes, but that's why it's called faith. My point was that it makes no sense to try and prove or demonstrate anything using God because the existance of God itself cannot be proven or demonstrated. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
Ryan A wrote: Yes, but that's why it's called faith. My point was that it makes no sense to try and prove or demonstrate anything using God because the existance of God itself cannot be proven or demonstrated. Stut, There will be a demonstration of god's existance in a little while, please look up when you are burning and I am sipping nector. That would also be the day the devil drives to work in a snow plough right? Sorry, couldnt resist, no offense meant ;) None taken. My beliefs are my beliefs and yours are yours, and you are entitled to say anything you want, as am I. If you prefer to lead a blinkered life go ahead, but I prefer to use my head to find my way through life rather than live by the teachings of a bunch of fiction written by men. If this God really thinks that makes me unworthy that's its business. I really don't want anything to do with any entity that thinks like that. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Problem with filemtime
Kevin Murphy wrote: I'm running the following script (simplified for discussion) to create a CSV file. My problem here is that the first filemtime and the last filemtime always equal each other. What I am trying to get is the filemtime ($new_last_modified) of the file that was just executed 3 lines earlier. Is there something I need to do differently? I tried putting a sleep(20) after the fclose, but that didn't seem to help. $csv_file = myFile.csv; $last_modified_csv = filemtime($csv_file); $fh = fopen($csv_file, 'w') or die(can't open file); fwrite($fh, Data Goes Here); fclose($fh); $new_last_modified = filemtime($csv_file); The data returned by filemtime is cached. Use clearstatcache to clear the cache (http://php.net/clearstatcache). -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
David Powers wrote: When somebody distributes copies of my eBooks to others, they break the terms of the licence. They also deprive me of income, as do bit torrent sites that assist in that distribution. It might not be stealing in a strict legal sense, but it results in financial harm to me. So money does frequently come into it where copyright infringement is concerned. This conversation is getting pointless guys. The argument being had is about whether copyright infringement should be called stealing or theft. Personally I don't believe it should, but going back and forth on a public mailing list is not going to do anyone . To summarise... * Nobody thinks copyright infringement is a good thing and nobody is denying that it causes harm to every layer of the commercial chain that exists to create and publish copyrighted work * A lot of people believe copyright infringement should not be called theft, and those who do not seem unwilling to see the difference * Comparisons in this arena are always full of holes so stop trying to use them I believe both sides have adequately explained their position and justification, and it's now turning into a game of tennis. Can we please leave it alone now and get back to making something worthy of being copied? -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
of property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving that person of it Copyright infringement: using material created by another person that is under copyright protection without that persons permission Copyright is not property, it's a legal protection. And for that, I am accused of having no morality and values. I don't think anyone has accused you of that, but saying what you have, leaves us with the obvious conclusion that you don't recognize copyright infringement as stealing -- and that does cast a long shadow as to morality and values. This is not an issue of morality. Whether you believe creative works should be protected or not doesn't change the fact that legally speaking copyright infringement is not the same as stealing. Likewise it does not matter if you believe copyright infringement is a moral sin (whatever your definition of a moral sin is). Legally speaking, and I'd love to see a legal reference that disputes this, copyright infringement is not stealing. PS: I said I wouldn't get back into this argument, but your claims are just absurd. In my opinion so are yours. This is not an issue of morality, it's a simple issue of language. Think about this... if I were to be accused of copyright theft, surely I've stolen the right to control the material because it's the control that copyright provides, not the material itself. That simple 2-word phrase makes no sense at all. Here's hoping that made my point of view a bit clearer. -Stut [1] http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/reduction/saferhomes/safehome/safe1.htm -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
tedd wrote: But, the importance here is one of euphemism. Calling the act of stealing something more palatable, such as copyright infringement, simply makes it easier to do. Conversely, calling the act of copyright infringement something less palatable, such as stealing, simply makes it harder to do. That's a very curious comment. Do you really think people who are actively infringing copyright really care what you call it? In my mind copyright infringement is no better or worse a crime than stealing. And, legally speaking, what you call it makes a world of difference. The punishments for stealing are very different to those for copyright infringement. If they were the same thing then surely the potential punishments would be the same? -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
Crayon Shin Chan wrote: On Monday 30 July 2007 23:49, tedd wrote: The opposite of BUYING is STEALING I think you meant SELLING. I think he meant alternative not opposite. I'd laugh for years if someone tried to defend the position that stealing is the opposite of buying. Then I'd send them back to school to start again. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Reading registry values
Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] I want to convert some ASP pages to PHP to go along with a transition from IIS to Apache. One of the ASP script functions involves reading data from the Windows registry. How does one read from the registry with PHP? [/snip] PHP is server-side and cannot read client side info. You would need to use something client-side, like JavaScript. JavaScript cannot read the registry either. It's a security thing. I think you'll find the OP means on the server-side, which is kinda obvious when you consider the fact the OP already has an ASP app that does this. Crash: The COM extension (http://php.net/com) should let you do that in essentially the same way ASP does. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
tedd wrote: At 5:46 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: But, the importance here is one of euphemism. Calling the act of stealing something more palatable, such as copyright infringement, simply makes it easier to do. Conversely, calling the act of copyright infringement something less palatable, such as stealing, simply makes it harder to do. That's a very curious comment. Do you really think people who are actively infringing copyright really care what you call it? I don't know what they think, and neither do you. But I do believe that if I raised my son with the idea of stealing software was not really stealing, but rather copyright infringement I think he would have a different view in acquiring it -- is that not common sense? Stealing software - that would be walking into a shop and taking a box of software. Not the same as downloading it from a pirate website. My personal view is that it's important that we don't dumb things down for children, and in my opinion calling copyright infringement stealing is dumbing it down so you don't have to explain the difference. In my mind copyright infringement is no better or worse a crime than stealing. Ok, we agree that copyright infringement is as bad as stealing. If it looks like a duck Corporate manslaughter and murder? I would get very worried if we started treating those the same! And, legally speaking, what you call it makes a world of difference. The punishments for stealing are very different to those for copyright infringement. If they were the same thing then surely the potential punishments would be the same? The punishments for any crime vary regardless of what you call it -- that's in the guts of the legal system. I'm not using the failings of our legal system to make any point, I'm just stating the obvious. And the obvious here is that if you deny rights to another, then you are stealing something. No, you're not. If I imprison you am I stealing from you? No. Again I'm forced to repeat the basic point... stealing involves a thing, copyright involves a legal protection mechanism. I cannot steal a legal protection mechanism, but I can infringe it. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
tedd wrote: At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime by the state (be it your own state or a victorious state that just subjugated your previous state). But illusion all we have. There is no truth in perception. Then there is no truth in anything for all things are based on perception. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 20:23 +0100, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime by the state (be it your own state or a victorious state that just subjugated your previous state). But illusion all we have. There is no truth in perception. Then there is no truth in anything for all things are based on perception. The concepts of ownership and copyright both rely on perception... As does gravity. I'm done now, there really is no point continuing and I dunno about anyone else but I have better things to do. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
tedd wrote: Don't expect that only one living entity can envision such a permutation. Don't expect anyone with our limitations to be capable to determine the truth of that statement. The phone was independently envisioned by two distinct humans at the same time. The same is true of calculus. So you are wrong, we are capable of determine the validity of the statement by the existence of such events in history. -snip- No, I was addressing a concept deeper than that. The only one who can envision such a permutation is God, not man. Your previous paragraph mentioned permutation of what might exist -- which would be infinite. The only living entity that fills that bill is God. Now, you may argue that, but it's not a topic for this list. Indeed not, but I must point out your assumption that God exists which is in no way a certainty regardless of your beliefs. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Authentication
Dan Shirah wrote: I looked on PHP.net but I couldn't not find anything suitable to answer my question. Within PHP, is there a way to pull the name of the user that is currently logged into the PC? I know with some of the _SERVER functions you can pull the IP of the machine and other data, is there a function within this family that would work? I'm assuming you're after transparent authentication where the user doesn't need to do anything to authenticate with the site. This is only possible with IE as the client on an NT domain with the server on the same domain. If you're using IIS on the server then it's as easy as removing anonymous and basic authentication from the site/directory. If you're using Apache or something else you need to find an extension/module that provides NTLM authentication, but not all of the ones I tried fully supported the transparent side of it. I implemented this for a corporate intranet a while back in Apache on FreeBSD with mod_ntlm (Google for it - dunno if it's still maintained). That was in 2004 and information was sparse, but with a bit of research and *lots* of experimenting I was able to get it to work. To be perfectly honest, if I were doing it again I'd save the time and use IIS on the server - sooo much easier. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] need insights on encrypting and uploading ASCII file using PHP
Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, July 27, 2007 3:21 pm, John A DAVIS wrote: We have various labs that submit coliform sample results in an ASCII file, quoted/comma delimited. We are being asked to encrypt this file for internet transfer. We are also being asked to create a secure process by which to transfer this file across the interent. Currently: the lab pushes and button and generates the ASCII file (12 columns) the lab logs in to a PHP webpage and uses the file upload input to submit the file. If data is valid, file is saved on our server in a folder where we can pull it into the respective tables. Be nice to have some insights on how to encrypt this file at the source and how to transfer the file securely. We keep hearing the words, digital signature. If the concern is about during the TRANSFER of the data, SSL should be enough to satisfy virtually any requirement. The data is encrypted during the transfer. Where they get digital signature from, I dunno... Encrypting it at the source and decrypting it at the destination before you transfer it encrypted via SSL is kinda pointless... Unless there is an untrusted individual handling it somewhere between Lab and upload, or between your receipt and stuffing it into your tables? It's possible they want it digitally signed so they can verify the source. SSL won't help here. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
Man-wai Chang wrote: You could open a sample book in bookstores, scan the chapters to decide whether you are gonna buy it. Not even slightly relevant, but it made me think of this (seemingly neverending) thread. http://xkcd.com/294/ -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Object instance and session
Stefano Esposito wrote:
Hi all,
i've a self-defined class describing an user. In the login page i create an
instance of the user object and store it in $_SESSION['user']. When accessing
$_SESSION['user'] from other pages (of course I do require('user.php'); and
session_start();) i got this errors:
Warning: mysqli::query() [function.mysqli-query]: Couldn't fetch mysqli in
/home/httpd/html/uss_tyco3/user.php on line 390
Warning: user::get_unita_row() [function.user-get-unita-row]: Couldn't fetch
mysqli in /home/httpd/html/uss_tyco3/user.php on line 391
Fatal error: Call to a member function fetch_assoc() on a non-object in
/home/httpd/html/uss_tyco3/user.php on line 396
snip code
Any hint?
You are trying to store a resource (MySQLi connection) in the session.
This is not possible. You need to implement __sleep and __wakeup methods
in your class to properly close and re-create the connection on each
request. See here for more: http://php.net/oop5.magic
-Stut
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Re: [PHP] Better way to store data in memory?
Richard Davey wrote: I'm building up some image data in my PHP script (ready for output to the browser). Having to do some complex per pixel manipulation, which is fine - but I'm just wondering is there a quicker / more efficient way of storing the pixel data than in an array? At the moment I hold it in $array[$x][$y], which makes the drawing loop painless, but it's creating an array with 307,200 elements which is proving to be quite slow. As I'm only storing fixed width byte values is there an alternative method? For example the ability to read/write to a chunk of memory instead? (so I can read out whole strips of data rather than one by one?) I was looking at the Shared Memory functions, but that isn't exactly what I need (I don't want it shared, I want it process specific) You could use a string, but I doubt that would be much quicker. Personally I'd be doing this with a temporary file, using fseek to get around. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
Dotan Cohen wrote: On 21/07/07, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speeding while driving is also an artificial law in that regard, as there is no physical law that says a car can only go 30 mph. That doesn't make speeding OK or less illegal, it just means that it is not a natural law. In Germany, there is. Get up to 250 KPH and the speed limiter kicks in. It also almost kicks you out of your seat. If you can't see that that's also an artificial limit and not an actual law of physics...!! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
Larry Garfield wrote: Artificially created by the law, yes. All laws are artificial. I really don't know what you're trying to get at with this. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] no default value
tedd wrote: At 1:46 PM +0100 7/17/07, Stut wrote: ... but you can get some of the way there by enabling the display of notices which will tell you whenever a variable is used without being initialised. How? Look in php.ini for error_reporting. With it enabled if you try to use a variable without assigning a value to it it will generate a notice. There are a lot of situations this won't cover, but it covers more than having it disabled. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
tedd wrote: At 10:26 PM +0100 7/17/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: Nope, I'm just saying that if you want my work, pay for it. If you get my work without paying, then you're stealing. You know, this is a pretty simple and obvious concept. I can imagine anyone arguing about it. -snip- There is no such thing as copyright theft. There is such a thing as copyright infringement. No one is saying otherwise. I don't care what you call it, taking something that is not yours is stealing. If an employer hires you to do a job, receives and uses your code, and doesn't pay you for it, then that's stealing. It doesn't make much difference if you call it breach of contract, copyright infringement, fraud, or theft -- it's still illegal. And, I've spent enough time in court to know the difference. Ok, this is really simple. Stealing is theft and theft is stealing. Infringing copyright is neither. I am always surprised as to how simple wrongful acts can be diminished with spin. We live in a world of political correctness, to which we all object, but whenever we can, we add our own spin to the layers of complexities around us. I, for one, just call theft what it is. There is a very very important difference. Stealing/theft is a criminal offence. Copyright infringement is not. For you to be prosecuted for copyright infringement the injured party must bring a civil case. This is a fundamental difference. The reason everyone thinks the terms theft and stealing cover it is because, as I've previously asserted, bodies like the MPAA and RIAA keep referring to it as such. Just because they do that doesn't make it any more accurate. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] repetition of tedious references
C.R.Vegelin wrote:
what about this ?
$language = isused($_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE]);
This call will raise a notice if that array element does not exist.
echo language is . $language;
function isused($variable)
{ return isset($variable) $variable != ? $variable : *;
}
The isset is redundant here. It's been passed as an argument so it
definitely exists.
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- Original Message - From: Olav Mørkrid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PHP General List php-general@lists.php.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: [PHP] repetition of tedious references
consider the following statement:
$language =
isset($_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE])
$_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE] != ?
$_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE] : *;
when using strings in arrays that may be non-existing or empty, you
have to repeat the reference *three* times, which gets excessive and
unreadable.
is there any way to only have to write
$_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE] only once?
i know it's possible to supress is not set with @, but that just
seems wrong in case there really is an error in the statement.
i love php, but this is one of my pet peeves.
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Re: [PHP] Re: Encrypted Mail
Daniel Brown wrote: On 7/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please read the attachment to get the message. Attachment: No Virus found Norman AntiVirus - www.norman.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Rut-roh, Reorge! Rooks rike Andrei rot a rirus! Probably not. More likely someone with Andrei in their address book or an email from/to him has one. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Error on installing under Windows Vista leads to inability to uninstall 5.2.3
Stephan G wrote: Please pardon the cross-post - I posted this on the php.install newsgroup a couple of days ago, but there has been no activity on that news group, and I see that other installation issues are posted here. I have tried to install the following on my Windows Vista Home Premium System: php-5.2.3-win32-installer.msi The new Windows installer has a maintainer - can't recall his name. Probably the best way to find them would be to search the archives of the internals list for the discussions that went on while he was creating it. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] no default value
Man-wai Chang wrote: Is there a parameter in php.ini that requires all variables to be explicitly initialized, rather than being automatically assigned the value of false? I think you'll find they get assigned the value of null, not false. There is no setting that enforces such a requirement, but you can get some of the way there by enabling the display of notices which will tell you whenever a variable is used without being initialised. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
Daniel Brown wrote: On 7/16/07, Larry Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not going to defend copyright infringement, but theft is depriving someone of something they used to have and no longer have. If someone pirates a copy of your book that would have purchased it otherwise, then they have not taken anything away from you that you had. Actually, theft is the act of unlawful taking by deceptive practices. By that definition, if I walk into a shop, grab a TV off the shelf and walk out again I am not committing a theft - there is no deception. The definition of theft is not important because copyright theft is not an accurate term for what's being discussed, it's actually copyright infringement. However, this discussion is not particularly interesting and certainly not relevant to this mailing list so it would be great if we could drop it or move it off-list if people really really want to continue with it. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?
tedd wrote: At 11:18 AM -0600 7/17/07, John Meyer wrote: tedd wrote: I've written software all my life and I have on numerous occasions run into individuals who ask something like Can you get me a copy? It's not worth it for me to pay for it because you add in whatever reason you want. I would just like to get a copy. And you think that if somehow, somebody was able to magically lock down all copies, all of those people would pony up the money and pay you or buy that software? It's the assumption that the music and movie industry make that if only they could lock down all those places the money would come flowing in. Nope, I'm just saying that if you want my work, pay for it. If you get my work without paying, then you're stealing. You know, this is a pretty simple and obvious concept. I can imagine anyone arguing about it. Batter up... The issue is not about what is going on and the fact that it's illegal and morally questionable - I think most people would agree to that if only to the point that they accept that breaking the law is morally questionable even if you don't agree with the laws. What you lot seem to insist on arguing about is the terminology being used. There is no such thing as copyright theft. There is such a thing as copyright infringement. Unfortunately organisations such as the MPAA and the RIAA have decided (in their infinite wisdom) to call it stealing. This is almost certainly because it makes it clearer to the lowest common denominator (no offense meant to anyone who might take it that way). IANAL but I'm fairly certain that there is no official legal definition for copyright theft. The correct phrase for the act of pirating something protected by copyright is infringement. Stealing is wrong m'kay! Piracy is evil m'kay! Copyright theft doesn't exist m'kay! Copyright infringement is illegal m'kay! Now please let's drop this discussion because it's one of those where people will never reach agreement, it'll just drag on and on and on and on and on. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pirate PHP books online?
Dotan Cohen wrote: On 16/07/07, Austin C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont be so harsh. I used to torrent PHP books, and everyone I turrented, I ended up buying from a book store so I could take it with me. So, that kind of stuff actually helped me. But, ive stopped torrenting now. I guess that I'm naive. I've gotten a few what's the address requests, but none from authors... So I'll just delete the address and not pass it on. Like said earlier in the thread, it can be easily googled. As everybody (including M$, excluding RIAA) seems to support the pirates with they won't buy it anyways I guess that I really am a sucker for being the one who pays for the books. I'm paying for everybody, no? So, suckers, I'm with you now, and I'll start pirating again. Anyone know where I can pick up a copy of Ubuntu pirated? I still refuse to use Windows, even for free... Pirated Ubuntu? I hope that was supposed to be funny. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Unlink file older then 7 days
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would I use fileatime to check if the file is older then 7 days? You want filemtime not fileatime. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Unlink file older then 7 days
Suhas Pharkute wrote:
http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.fileatime.php
$filename = 'somefile.txt';
if (file_exists($filename) fileatime($filename)
(time()-(7*24*60*60)) )
{
unlink($filename);
}
Read docs!
You too! The OP wanted a way to check the age of all files. The
fileatime function will return when the file was last accessed.
Accessing a file is not usually deemed to affect its age, modifying it
is. The filemtime function is what the OP wants.
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On 7/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would I use fileatime to check if the file is older then 7 days?
I have a directory with .txt and .txt.asc files.
What I want to do is..
Check the age of all files ending in .txt.asc
and if the file *.txt.asc is older then 7 days
delete thatfile.txt.asc and also thatfile.txt
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Re: [PHP] html emails and plain text dectection
Ross wrote: I am using the code to send an html email (phpmailer class) now I need to somehow determine if the recipient uses text only email and change email to plain. Is this possible? Not really, no. You can send both HTML and plain text versions in the same email and nearly all clients will correctly extract the right one. AFAIK phpmailer supports doing this but you'll have to check their documentation for details. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Pirate PHP books online?
David Powers wrote: Crayon Shin Chan wrote: What makes you think any of the authors are subscribed to this list? I am subscribed to this list, and I'm disgusted that somebody posted the URL to the pirate site. I see that more than 2,000 copies of my PHP Solutions: Dynamic Web Design Made Easy have been downloaded. Although eBooks are cheaper than the printed version, the royalties to an author are much higher (no printing, storage, or delivery costs). I'm not starving, but the loss in revenue is far from trivial, and reduces the incentive to continue to write. I have reported the site to my publisher. Even if it's closed down, my work has already been stolen. I haven't followed this thread particularly closely because the issue of copyright has been done to death, but I believe the link you are referring to is The Pirate Bay, is that correct? If so you should really read up on the history of that site. I'm not defending what they do, but don't expect it to go anywhere - it's proven several times to be untouchable and is likely here to stay for a very long time. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Alter an Array Key
Craige Leeder wrote: 1. Don't modify $_POST Why not? 2. You controll the name of the array keys with the form. Why is there any need to change them form PHP's side of things? That's an assumption. A reasonable one in most cases, but not necessarily the case. 3. I'm not sure Roberts solution would work. I think it might result in an endless loop, and timeout your script. I always worry about adding or removing elements while iterating through an array. I generally build up an array of keys to remove and remove them in a separate loop afterwards just to be on the safe side. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
