new memory record for me

[Steven A. DuChene]

Last year I spent the summer working at the Intel benchmarking center in 
Dupont, WA and some of you might recall me posting about some large memory 
systems there with 256GB of memory. At the time that was the most memory I had 
personally witnessed running in a Linux server (RH6.1 to be exact). 

Well this month I am at a national weather & climate research lab in Wyoming 
and that memory record has been broken. Here as part of their latest research 
cluster purchase they have 17 large memory systems that are used for OpenGL 
based visualization. These systems have 1TB of main memory! Unfortunately it 
seems that the latest NVidia Quadro 6000 video cards have only a 39bit register 
for addressing memory which means there are problems when using them in systems 
with 512GB or more of memory.
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Re: no luck on memory for mystery Intel motherboard

[Steven A. DuChene]

It does have a speaker on the MB but I have also been able to find a jumper 
labeled "DBG SPKR" which I am assuming means debug speaker but I have no clue 
as to it's setting. Another person suggested I try clearing the CMOS to see if 
that has any effect.


-Original Message-
>From: Stephen 
>Sent: Aug 15, 2012 7:27 AM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Cc: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: no luck on memory for mystery Intel motherboard
>
>you might have a dead board then, if its ram the thing doesn't like
>then it would start beeping. try removing all ram and see if it beeps.
>but if it still doesn't then you might be needing the board as well.
>
>note you might also want to make sure it has a speaker attached or
>built in also.
>
>On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Steven A. DuChene
> wrote:
>> nope, no beep codes
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: Stephen
>>
>> Sent: Aug 14, 2012 11:25 PM
>>
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list , "Steven A. DuChene"
>>
>> Subject: Re: no luck on memory for mystery Intel motherboard
>>
>>
>>
>> Any beep codes? If just ram it should be making noise
>> On Aug 14, 2012 7:25 PM, "Steven A. DuChene"  
>> wrote:
>>
>> So I received the three matching sticks of 1066MHz DDR3 non-ECC memory today 
>> from Tiger Direct but when I tried it in the mystery Intel motherboard, I 
>> still do not get any video. So back to square one. Still no clear idea what 
>> memory is correct for this MB.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The toe tag on the piece of string tied to the MB says:
>>
>>
>>
>> Platform family: Tylerburg (not Tylersburg)
>>
>> Platform name: Burnside
>>
>> Platform P/N: D70751-201
>>
>> Processor/Stepping: NMH
>>
>> IOH/Stepping: TYB
>>
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Re: no luck on memory for mystery Intel motherboard

[Steven A. DuChene]

nope, no beep codes

-Original Message-

From: Stephen 

Sent: Aug 14, 2012 11:25 PM

To: Main PLUG discussion list , "Steven A. DuChene" 

Subject: Re: no luck on memory for mystery Intel motherboard



Any beep codes? If just ram it should be making noise
On Aug 14, 2012 7:25 PM, "Steven A. DuChene"  
wrote:

So I received the three matching sticks of 1066MHz DDR3 non-ECC memory today 
from Tiger Direct but when I tried it in the mystery Intel motherboard, I still 
do not get any video. So back to square one. Still no clear idea what memory is 
correct for this MB.




The toe tag on the piece of string tied to the MB says:



Platform family: Tylerburg (not Tylersburg)

Platform name: Burnside

Platform P/N: D70751-201

Processor/Stepping: NMH

IOH/Stepping: TYB

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no luck on memory for mystery Intel motherboard

[Steven A. DuChene]

So I received the three matching sticks of 1066MHz DDR3 non-ECC memory today 
from Tiger Direct but when I tried it in the mystery Intel motherboard, I still 
do not get any video. So back to square one. Still no clear idea what memory is 
correct for this MB.

The toe tag on the piece of string tied to the MB says:

Platform family: Tylerburg (not Tylersburg)
Platform name: Burnside
Platform P/N: D70751-201
Processor/Stepping: NMH
IOH/Stepping: TYB
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Re: getting rid of android on tablet

[Steven A. DuChene]

This runs Ubuntu on top of android. This will not work on a device that only 
has 256MB of RAM and a fairly slow processor.
These are light weight tablets as far as system hardware resources. As I said I 
am looking to replace the android OS (as in it is not there any more at all) on 
them now with some sort of light weight linux distro. 

There have been a LOT of unusual ports of Linux to strange hardware (the Linux 
for a Nintendo DSLite handheld comes to mind) so I would not think it should be 
that much of a stretch to get a semi-functional Linux kernel and busybox system 
onto one of these android devices.
--
Steven DuChene

-Original Message-

From: JD Austin 

Sent: Aug 11, 2012 11:37 AM

To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion list 

Subject: Re: getting rid of android on tablet



http://androlinux.com/android-ubuntu-development/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-android/

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM, JD Austin  wrote:


Ubuntu is getting close to having a linux that will run on some android 
devices.. but until then I'd recommend you load Cyanogenmod on them.



On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Steven A. DuChene 
 wrote:



I have a few 7" android tablets made by either pandigital or panimage.

They have some older version of android on them. I am not really all that wild 
about the restrictive and weird nature of android.



Is there anyway to put a more normal version of some light weight Linux on 
them? These tablets only have 256MB of real memory although recently I have 
seen other cheap 7" tablets with 512MB of memory.

I want to be able to run a single graphical app on them with no fancy desktop 
environment.

I have a graphical app that displays real time data from a automotive ECU and I 
would like to be able to have the tablet boot up and just run this single app.



Initially if I could just get some sort of text console prompt so I could start 
to figure stuff out that would be good but I really want to get rid of android 
and go to some other more normal lightweight linux distro.






Is any of this possible at all?

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getting rid of android on tablet

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have a few 7" android tablets made by either pandigital or panimage.
They have some older version of android on them. I am not really all that wild 
about the restrictive and weird nature of android. 

Is there anyway to put a more normal version of some light weight Linux on 
them? These tablets only have 256MB of real memory although recently I have 
seen other cheap 7" tablets with 512MB of memory.
I want to be able to run a single graphical app on them with no fancy desktop 
environment.
I have a graphical app that displays real time data from a automotive ECU and I 
would like to be able to have the tablet boot up and just run this single app.

Initially if I could just get some sort of text console prompt so I could start 
to figure stuff out that would be good but I really want to get rid of android 
and go to some other more normal lightweight linux distro.

Is any of this possible at all?
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Re: looking for DDR3 1066MHz ECC or non-ECC memory

[Steven A. DuChene]

It is a pre-production prototype Intel motherboard and none of the numbers 
printed on the motherboard show up in any research I have been able to do so 
far. I have not yet gone so far as to remove the heat sinks on the non-CPU 
chips on the motherboard to see if they provide any clues.

Has anyone successfully removed a heat sink off of a non-CPU motherboard chip 
and then reinstalled it with no damage to the motherboard? Like the bridge or 
other MB controller chips that have heat sinks held down with spring clips that 
fasten under loops soldered into the motherboard.
--
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-Original Message-

From: Lisa Kachold 

Sent: Aug 8, 2012 6:20 PM

To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion list 

Subject: Re: looking for DDR3 1066MHz ECC or non-ECC memory



You should have been able to identify your mobo also?

That's going to be important at somepoint?

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> If you do in fact have a Nehalem it is non-ecc.
>
> Be sure you have populated your dimms in the right pairs.
>
> Buy some from a supply that allows returns?
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Steven A. DuChene <
> linux-clust...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> So since I am unsure what exact sort of memory is supposed to work in
>> this mystery Intel board, does anyone have two or three matching DDR3
>> 1066MHz DIMMs I could try in this thing? I still don't know if it is
>> supposed to be ECC or non-ECC.
>>
>> I just need to try the memory long enough to see if I get a video signal
>> or not.
>> Then I will know what type of memory to purchase.
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Re: looking for DDR3 1066MHz ECC or non-ECC memory

[Steven A. DuChene]

Well I decided to try the following memory from Tiger Direct:

Crucial PC8500 1066MHz 6GB DDR3 Triple Channel Desktop Memory Kit - 6144MB (3 x 
2048MB), 240 Pin

I checked with their customer service people and they did confirm this was 
something that could be returned it is is not the right stuff.
--
Steven DuChene

-Original Message-

From: Lisa Kachold 

Sent: Aug 7, 2012 9:48 PM

To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion list 

Subject: Re: looking for DDR3 1066MHz ECC or non-ECC memory



If you do in fact have a Nehalem it is non-ecc.

Be sure you have populated your dimms in the right pairs.

Buy some from a supply that allows returns?


On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Steven A. DuChene <
linux-clust...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> So since I am unsure what exact sort of memory is supposed to work in this
> mystery Intel board, does anyone have two or three matching DDR3 1066MHz
> DIMMs I could try in this thing? I still don't know if it is supposed to be
> ECC or non-ECC.
>
> I just need to try the memory long enough to see if I get a video signal
> or not.
> Then I will know what type of memory to purchase.
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looking for DDR3 1066MHz ECC or non-ECC memory

[Steven A. DuChene]

So since I am unsure what exact sort of memory is supposed to work in this 
mystery Intel board, does anyone have two or three matching DDR3 1066MHz DIMMs 
I could try in this thing? I still don't know if it is supposed to be ECC or 
non-ECC. 

I just need to try the memory long enough to see if I get a video signal or not.
Then I will know what type of memory to purchase.
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Re: looking for DDR3 1333MHz ECC memory

[Steven A. DuChene]

Definitely not a SuperZMicro board. It is a prototype Intel motherboard. The MB 
has a Intel logo printed right on it. I had shown this board & CPU at a PLUG 
developers meeting at the technical college on Baseline a few months ago. The 
motherboard has some very unusual construction features.

It cannot be a Clarkdale or Arrandale core since the motherboard definitely has 
three memory channels and the Clarkdale or Arrandale cores are only dual 
channel. According to the tables shown on that same Wikipedia page, with the 
tripple memory channels, it has to be either a Bloomfield (single socket - 
tripple channel) or a Gulftown (single socket - triple channel).  If it is the 
Bloomfield then it takes DDR3 1066MHz memory rather than the DDR3 1333MHz 
possible for the later Gulftown cores (the early Gulftown cores still use DDR3 
1066MHz memory as well).

So perhaps I need DDR3 1066MHz memory rather than the 1333MHz stuff.
--
Steven DuChene

-Original Message-

From: Lisa Kachold 

Sent: Aug 6, 2012 8:57 PM

To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion list 

Subject: Re: looking for DDR3 1333MHz ECC memory



Hi Steven,

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Steven A. DuChene 
 wrote:

I have a mystery motherboard with what I believe is a Intel Nehalem server cpu.

I think the type of memory I need is PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz ECC memory.

The board seems to have a A, B, and C memory channel from what I can see on the 
motherboard.

I believe I can either put two identical DIMMs in with one in channel A slot 0 
and the other in channel B slot 0 or I can I think I can put three identical 
DIMMs in slot 0 of all three channels.



I have tried PC3-10600 DDR3 Non-ECC DIMMs but I did not get any video,



Before I go out and purchase some new memory does anyone have any spare 
PC3-10600 ECC memory DIMMs they could bring to a PLUG meeting so I can try to 
see if that is the correct memory before I purchase new DIMMs?


It looks like you just have the wrong:

slots populated 
or
memory for your chipset/mobo:


>From Wikipedia:
Nehalem microarchitecture based

Main article: Nehalem (microarchitecture)
With the release of the Nehalem microarchitecture in November 2008,[14]
 Intel introduced a new naming scheme for its Core processors. There are
 three variants, Core i3, Core i5, and Core i7, but the names no longer 
correspond to specific technical features like the number of cores. 
Instead, the brand is now divided from low-level (i3), through mid-range
 (i5) to high-end performance (i7),[15] which correspond to three to five stars 
in Intel's Intel Processor Rating[16] as opposed to the entry-level Celeron 
(one star) and Pentium (two stars) processors.[17] Common features of all 
Nehalem based processors include an integrated DDR3 memory controller as well 
as QuickPath Interconnect or PCI Express and Direct Media Interface on the 
processor replacing the aging quad-pumped Front Side Bus
 used in all earlier Core processors. Also, all these processors have 
256 KB L2 cache per core, plus up to 12 MB shared level 3 cache. Because
 of the new I/O interconnect, chipsets and mainboards from previous 
generations can no longer be used with Nehalem based processors.
 Core i3
The Core i3 was intended to be the new low end of the performance processor 
line from Intel, following the retirement of the Core 2 brand.[18][19]

The first Core i3 processors were launched on January 7, 2010.[20]
The first Nehalem based Core i3 was Clarkdale-based, with an integrated GPU and 
two cores.[21] The same processor is also available as Core i5 and Pentium, 
with slightly different configurations.

The Core i3-3xxM processors are based on Arrandale,
 the mobile version of the Clarkdale desktop processor. They are similar
 to the Core i5-4xx series but running at lower clock speeds and without
 Turbo Boost.[22] According to an Intel FAQ they do not support Error 
Correction Code (ECC) memory.[23]
 According to motherboard manufacturer Supermicro, if a Core i3 
processor is used with a server chipset platform such as Intel 
3400/3420/3450, the CPU will support ECC with UDIMM.[24]
 When asked, Intel confirmed that, although the Intel 5 series chipset 
supports non-ECC memory only with the Core i5 or i3 processors, using 
those processors on a motherboard with 3400 series chipsets it will 
support the ECC function of ECC memory.[25]
 A limited number of motherboards by other companies also support ECC 
with Intel Core iX processors; the Asus P8B WS is an example, but it 
does not support ECC memory under Windows non-server operating systems.[26]You 
HAVE to have some information on that mobo?  It should be a Supermicro.  


As far as I can tell, your non-ecc is the correct memory.  
Is the partity right?

Check the docs before you screw around with ECC.

No video is usually preceeded/accompanied with a bios memory test error, do you 
have memory test errors enabled in the bios?  Is there beeping?

Re: ot audio and facebook

[Steven A. DuChene]

I believe the first few file conversions are free but then you have to 
subscribe to the service.
I think subscribing also gets you better quality audio files and perhaps larger 
files.
--
Steven DuChene


-Original Message-
>From: Michael Havens 
>Sent: Aug 6, 2012 7:50 PM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: Re: ot audio and facebook
>
>bummer it says it 'll do it 4 more times. What happens after that?
>
>On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>> wow! thank you.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Steven A. DuChene
>>  wrote:
>>> There are also on-line web sites that will let you paste a youtube URL into 
>>> a form and it will download the video and export a MP3 file back to you.
>>>
>>> http://www.mediaconverter.org
>>>
>>> is one site I know of that does this for you.
>>> --
>>> Steven DuChene
>>>
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>>> From: Michael Havens 
>>>  To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>>>  Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 3:33 PM
>>>  Subject: ot audio and facebook
>>>
>>>
>>> is there a way to parse audio from facebook videos and save the clips
>>> for offline listening?
>>> I want the audio from here:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylLCYbySTqg&feature=related
>>> --
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Re: ot audio and facebook

[Steven A. DuChene]

There are also on-line web sites that will let you paste a youtube URL into a 
form and it will download the video and export a MP3 file back to you.

http://www.mediaconverter.org

is one site I know of that does this for you.
--
Steven DuChene

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From: Michael Havens 
 To: Main PLUG discussion list  
 Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 3:33 PM
 Subject: ot audio and facebook
   

is there a way to parse audio from facebook videos and save the clips
for offline listening?
I want the audio from here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylLCYbySTqg&feature=related
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looking for DDR3 1333MHz ECC memory

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have a mystery motherboard with what I believe is a Intel Nehalem server cpu.
I think the type of memory I need is PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz ECC memory.
The board seems to have a A, B, and C memory channel from what I can see on the 
motherboard.
I believe I can either put two identical DIMMs in with one in channel A slot 0 
and the other in channel B slot 0 or I can I think I can put three identical 
DIMMs in slot 0 of all three channels.

I have tried PC3-10600 DDR3 Non-ECC DIMMs but I did not get any video,

Before I go out and purchase some new memory does anyone have any spare 
PC3-10600 ECC memory DIMMs they could bring to a PLUG meeting so I can try to 
see if that is the correct memory before I purchase new DIMMs?
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hacking an android tablet to single function device

[Steven A. DuChene]

Since Andriod tablets have become so cheap lately (Pandigital for $29.99 plus 
$4.99 shipping) I would like to see if it is possible to re-purpose one to do 
server as sort of a single function display device. Does anyone know if it 
would be possible to reconfig an Android tablet to NOT have a full desktop 
interface with icons and things and instead have it boot up to the display of a 
single application?

Also I noticed some of these tablets use a ARM926EJ-S CPU that is supposed to 
enable the direct execution of 8-bit Java bytecode in hardware and has an MMU 
on the chip (not always a given for ARM CPUs). Does that mean it would be 
possible to run a standard Java application without the load of a full JVM? Is 
all compiled Java code end up being 8-bit bytecode that could be directly run 
on this CPU?

Also I note that plugging a USB keyboard into an Android device does not seem 
to work. From what little I have read it is because USB host mode is not 
enabled in early versions of Android. It is possible to somehow either add this 
functionality via replacement kernel modules or perhaps even rebuild a 
new/different kernel for one of these devices to enable this? I have looked at 
some of the dmesg output from one of my el cheap'o tablets and I see some 
things happening there when I plug in a keyboard but not enough apparently.

Anyway lots of questions about hacking Android tablets. Is this something like 
this possible to have a instructional talk on at a PLUGdev meeting at some 
point? I.E. from someone who knows a LOT more about this than I do?
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Developers meeting tonight?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Last time I drove over to UAT for a Thursday night developers meeting there was 
no meeting.

Is there a Developers meeting this evening at UAT?
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network issue blocks svn code pull?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I am attempting to pull some code from an open source on-line repository.
When I issue the svn checkout command it just hangs for a long time and
then finally times out with an error message about being unable to connect
to the remote host. I have been given the svn link by one of the project
developers so I am fairly certain it is correct but so far I have been
unable to pull the code I need. I have tried pulling code from other svn
on-line repositories and those seemed to work just fine.

Can anyone lese try the following svn checkout command and let me know if
it works for you?

svn co svn://clusterresources.com/torque/branches/4.0-fixes

I even tried just a simple svn list command instead of a checkout and still
I got the same result. It hangs for some period of time and then finally
times out with an error about not being able to connect to the remote host.
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Re: What is the presentation for Thursday PLUGeast?

[Steven A. DuChene]

So is there definately an east side meeting this evening?
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From: Dazed_75 

Sent: Jan 11, 2012 3:40 PM

To: Main PLUG discussion list 

Subject: Re: What is the presentation for Thursday PLUGeast?



I will be doing a presentation on Editing Video with OpenShot.  Brian will
do one of his Inkscape or Blender shorts as well as a demonstration of
linking selected PLUG calendar events and repeats to your personal calendar.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Ed  wrote:

> Didn't see an announcement on the site, just wondering
>
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Re: RHEL-6.1 system with 4 CPU sockets and 1TB of memory

[Steven A. DuChene]

What kind of results would you like to see?

BTW, the system I actually administer is a 10U system with 256 "servers" in it 
with a dual core Atom N570 CPU and 4GB of memory per "server". It is called a 
SeaMicro SM1-64. My other system is a 3U Dell blade chassis with 12 blades 
with a single low power Xeon per blade.
--
Steven DuChene

-Original Message-

From: Stephen 

Sent: Jan 10, 2012 4:22 PM

To: Main PLUG discussion list , "Steven A. DuChene" 

Subject: Re: RHEL-6.1 system with 4 CPU sockets and 1TB of memory



Sure. Rub it in now get us some results :-)
On Jan 10, 2012 4:13 PM, "Steven A. DuChene" 
wrote:

> So I am working for a benchmarking lab at Intel and today we brought up a
> system that has 4 CPU sockets and 10 cores per socket. It has 64 DIMM slots
> with a 16GB DIMM in each slot for a total of 1TB or real memory and zero
> swap. The system is running RHEL-6.1
>
> I just thought someone would find this fascinating.
> --
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Re: RHEL-6.1 system with 4 CPU sockets and 1TB of memory

[Steven A. DuChene]

That should have said:

for a total of 1TB of real memory and zero swap.


-Original Message-
>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Sent: Jan 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: RHEL-6.1 system with 4 CPU sockets and 1TB of memory
>
>So I am working for a benchmarking lab at Intel and today we brought up a 
>system that has 4 CPU sockets and 10 cores per socket. It has 64 DIMM slots 
>with a 16GB DIMM in each slot for a total of 1TB or real memory and zero swap. 
>The system is running RHEL-6.1
>
>I just thought someone would find this fascinating.
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>



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RHEL-6.1 system with 4 CPU sockets and 1TB of memory

[Steven A. DuChene]

So I am working for a benchmarking lab at Intel and today we brought up a 
system that has 4 CPU sockets and 10 cores per socket. It has 64 DIMM slots 
with a 16GB DIMM in each slot for a total of 1TB or real memory and zero swap. 
The system is running RHEL-6.1

I just thought someone would find this fascinating.
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Re: no-one at developers meeting?

[Steven A. DuChene]

It is a new desktop computer I am building out of new parts.
I am not actually at a booting Linux point yet.
The system turns on but I do not get any video output or post beeps.
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-Original Message-

From: Lisa Kachold 

Sent: Nov 4, 2011 5:24 AM

To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion list 

Subject: Re: no-one at developers meeting?



HI Steven!

You can describe your issue to this list and someone will address it.
We will also need specifics, like distro version, video card/laptop
manufacturer, etc.  to assist.

But just as a basic general solution, please follow these simple steps:

1) Boot with various options: (NOMODESET and VGA=XXX)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132  UBUNTU Reference NOMODESET


 Set your framebuffer
resolution to VESA
mode xxx. Check
herefor
a list of possible modes.  VGA instructions to change various
resolutions during boot by passing a string to the boot line.

By trial and error you should be eventually able to boot your box if any
possible video driver exists (which it should with any modern linux).



 Still can't figure it out?

2) Change your /etc/inittab to level 3, boot and login, then try to invoke
your X session with "startx" and read the logs.

http://technotes.twosmallcoins.com/?p=139

Still no joy?  AND do you have nvidia?

3) Nvidia?  Add on the correct drivers:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_readme_install.html



 Still broken?

 4) Document your card/laptop equipment type and distro version and post to
the list.



 Still broken?  Can't fix it?

5) Bring to the Linux Security Team Presentation on Saturday at about 6PM
and I will fix it for you.


You can bring your no video problem to the Security Presentation Saturday
at MakerBench:

http://plug.phoenix.az.us/calendar/icalrepeat.detail/2011/11/12/2157/-/linux-security-hackfest-at-makerbench.html














On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Steven A. DuChene <
linux-clust...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> I drove from Chandler down to UAT this evening with my no video problem
> computer in the hope that someone might have a bright idea while looking at
> it however no-one was there at all in room 203 at UAT. If there is not
> going to be a Dev meeting can someone post to the list of somehow indicate
> it on the calendar website?
> --
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Re: Hackfest Schedule

[Steven A. DuChene]

I am confused. Are you saying there will not be a meeting this coming Saturday 
or there will?
--
Steven DuChene

-Original Message-

From: Lisa Kachold 

Sent: Nov 3, 2011 5:32 PM

To: brian 
, PLUG Linux Security Team , Main PLUG discussion list , PLUG Applcations List 

Subject: Hackfest Schedule



Please Note, we have a changed schedule for the Security Team
Presentations, Labs and Hackfests:

http://hackfest.obnosis.com/

Our PRESENTATION meetings will continue due to support from the various
Community Colleges at MakerBench.

Brian, can you please cancel the November and December  LAB entries for
Gangplank on the PLUG Schedule?  Those days are not available due to their
other bookings for the great facilities at Gangplank and I have limited
bandwidth for both venues each month through the winter.

After the holidays, our LAB will be meeting with the Installfesters where
there is sufficient interest on the last Saturday at UAT.

Our HACKFESTS will occur with a signup quarterly where there is sufficient
interest and the site location will be announced.

Thanks All

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no-one at developers meeting?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I drove from Chandler down to UAT this evening with my no video problem 
computer in the hope that someone might have a bright idea while looking at it 
however no-one was there at all in room 203 at UAT. If there is not going to be 
a Dev meeting can someone post to the list of somehow indicate it on the 
calendar website?
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Re: no video showing up on new system

[Steven A. DuChene]

The motherboard was in a sealed package from Intel from what I could tell.
I will try the no memory trick next.

-Original Message-

From: Dazed_75 

Sent: Nov 1, 2011 8:55 AM

To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion list 

Subject: Re: no video showing up on new system



If it were me, my first thought would be to ask my friend where this new
motherboard came from.  IOW, perhaps someone had it and experienced these
problems before you.

My second thought would be to start it with NO memory in the system which
should definitely produce some beep code.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Steven A. DuChene <
linux-clust...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> A friend gave me a new Intel DP45SG motherboard and a Q9550 Core 2 Quad
> processor
> so I bought what I thought would be a good set of DIMMs to go with it. The
> DIMMs
> are quantity 2 of DDR3 1333MHz 4GB. So I put it together in a new case and
> a 430W
> power supply. The system will turn on but I get no video. Looking over
> on-line docs
> for the motherboard I decided perhaps the 4GB DIMMs were not suited for
> the mother
> board so I purchased some 2GB DDR3 1333MHz DIMMs instead with high hopes
> that this
> would solve the no video problem. No such luck. The motherboard has an
> on-board
> mini speaker which I believe is where any post beep codes should come out.
> I am
> getting nothing from that speaker so I decided to try hooking a regular
> external
> speaker up to the standard audio ports to see if I was getting anything
> there.
> Nada, nothing, zilch.
>
> I tried two different video cards that work in other systems fine but I
> still get
> no video out when I power on this system.
>
> In looking over the specs for the q9550 processor I see it is supposed to
> have
> a 1333MHz FSB and the motherboard definitely lists support for DDR3
> 1333MHz memory.
>
> Anyone here have any ideas or suggestions?
> --
> Steven DuChene
>
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no video showing up on new system

[Steven A. DuChene]

A friend gave me a new Intel DP45SG motherboard and a Q9550 Core 2 Quad 
processor
so I bought what I thought would be a good set of DIMMs to go with it. The DIMMs
are quantity 2 of DDR3 1333MHz 4GB. So I put it together in a new case and a 
430W
power supply. The system will turn on but I get no video. Looking over on-line 
docs
for the motherboard I decided perhaps the 4GB DIMMs were not suited for the 
mother
board so I purchased some 2GB DDR3 1333MHz DIMMs instead with high hopes that 
this
would solve the no video problem. No such luck. The motherboard has an on-board
mini speaker which I believe is where any post beep codes should come out. I am
getting nothing from that speaker so I decided to try hooking a regular external
speaker up to the standard audio ports to see if I was getting anything there.
Nada, nothing, zilch.

I tried two different video cards that work in other systems fine but I still 
get
no video out when I power on this system.

In looking over the specs for the q9550 processor I see it is supposed to have
a 1333MHz FSB and the motherboard definitely lists support for DDR3 1333MHz 
memory.

Anyone here have any ideas or suggestions?
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Re: Is it possible to extract the root password from the file system?

[Steven A. DuChene]

There are password hacking tools out there you could run against the encrypted 
password that
is stored in /etc/shadow but if there is a locked root account there may not be 
an encrypted
password for root in that file and you will never be able to login.
--
Steven DuChene

-Original Message-

From: Mark Phillips 

Sent: Jul 12, 2011 11:16 AM

To: Phoenix Linux Users 

Subject: Is it possible to extract the root password from the file system?



I have a new Buffalo LS-WXL NAS and I would like to root it. It has the
newer firmware version, 1.43, and the instructions for rooting it (
http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Category:LS-WXL) have not caught up with
the new firmware. However, I was able to unzip the firmware to my laptop and
it appears that ssh root login is now enabled in the stock firmware. I
confirmed this by trying ssh to the machine.but, I need the root
password to login. How can I extract the root password from the file system
for the device? I just have the file system unzipped on my hard drive, I
don't have access to it running.

I assume Linux/Linus has made it impossible to get at the root password this
way (e.g. from a copy of the file system), but I thought I would ask anyway
before I try to install some custom firmware on the NAS device.

Thanks,

Mark


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adding an rpm to a kickstart repo

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have copied the various files off of a Redhat dvd to a kickstart server and 
created a working ks.cfg file. I am able to kickstart servers with the default 
install files that were on the original DVD media. However I want to be able to 
update some of the rpms with newer ones like a newer kernel. I also need to add 
one or two custom rpms of my own.

I tried just copying my small add-on rpm into the Packages directory and then 
adding that rpm name into my ks.cfg file but I got an error during the 
resulting kickstart operation that the rpm was not available. I am pretty sure 
I need to update the repo files that tell the system what rpms are available. I 
installed the createrepo rpm along with some other dependencies required but I 
have not been able to find any definite directions on how to accomplish this.

Has anyone here ever done something like this and can provide some direction on 
how to proceed from this point or point me towards some definite documentation 
on the process?
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Re: stupid perl question

[Steven A. DuChene]

I am doing lots of processing of each line once I read it and sending it onto another utility.All of that code is already written in perl.I really didn't think something like this would be that hard in perl. :-)-Original Message-
From: Kevin Fries 
Sent: Jun 23, 2011 4:21 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list , "Steven A. DuChene" 
Subject: Re: stupid perl question

Is there a reason the log scraper needs to be done in perl?  There is autility that will read log files from the end called tac. Maybe it willhelp.Just a thought.KevinOn Jun 23, 2011 5:17 PM, "Steven A. DuChene" wrote:> I am attempting to do a "tail -f" on a log file that has a new line addedto it every 15 seconds.> I need to parse and process each new line as it is added to the file.>> I am trying to use the following example code from cpan to see if thebasic concept will> work using File::Tail but when I run the example code below and add linesto the file> I get nothing out.>> #!/usr/bin/perl>> use File::Tail;> $file = File::Tail->new("/home/sad/bin/power_input_stuff.txt");> while (defined(my $line = $file->read))> {> print $line;> }>>> I am doing the following in another xterm window to add lines to the file:>> echo "2011:06:21:15:07:46 57 01 00 a0 04 a0 00 c3 00 a7 00 33 16 01 4e 0100 00 00 50" >> power_input_stuff.txt>> but I am getting NOTHING back in the original window where the perl scriptis running.>> The above perl code is a near direct copy of the File::Tail example codeon cpan so I would expect it to work.>> What am I doing wrong???> --> Steven DuChene>>>> ---> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss


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stupid perl question

[Steven A. DuChene]

I am attempting to do a "tail -f" on a log file that has a new line added to it 
every 15 seconds.
I need to parse and process each new line as it is added to the file.

I am trying to use the following example code from cpan to see if the basic 
concept will
work using File::Tail but when I run the example code below and add lines to 
the file
I get nothing out.

#!/usr/bin/perl

use File::Tail;
$file = File::Tail->new("/home/sad/bin/power_input_stuff.txt");
while (defined(my $line = $file->read))
{
print $line;
}


I am doing the following in another xterm window to add lines to the file:

echo "2011:06:21:15:07:46 57 01 00 a0 04 a0 00 c3 00 a7 00 33 16 01 4e 01 00 00 
00 50" >> power_input_stuff.txt

but I am getting NOTHING back in the original window where the perl script is 
running.

The above perl code is a near direct copy of the File::Tail example code on 
cpan so I would expect it to work.

What am I doing wrong???
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setting non-standard baud rate on serial port

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have an automotive diagnostic device that seems to only want to communicate
across the serial port at a baud rate of 8192 which is a non-standard baud rate.
When I try to use setserial or stty to set this baud rate on the port both
programs tell me "Invalid Argument"

stty -F /dev/ttyS0 8192
stty: invalid argument `8192'
Try `stty --help' for more information.

Anyone have any idea how to set baud rate on a serial port to a non-standard 
baud rate like this?
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recommend serial-to-usb adapter?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have a embedded ECU that I have to program and I have been doing it with an 
older laptop that still has a serial port. I would like to use one of my newer 
laptops but the last time I tried buying a serial-to-usb convertor at Frys 
Electronics I ended up with one that I just could not get to function in Linux. 
Can anyone recommend a brand or model to me and possibly a place that stocks 
such a thing? If it was local I would have better chance of returning it if it 
did not work.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: how to reference bash variables inside perl script inside bash script?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I think that did the trick Eric.
Thanks!


-Original Message-
>From: Eric Shubert 
>Sent: Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: Re: how to reference bash variables inside perl script inside bash
>script?
>

>
>Stuff inside of single quotes won't have variables expanded:
>shu...@edwin:~$ OPASS=test
>shu...@edwin:~$ echo "$OPASS"
>test
>shu...@edwin:~$ echo '$OPASS'
>$OPASS
>shu...@edwin:~$
>
>So you need to have the -e argument surrounded by double-quotes. I don't 
>know if the perl code will allow you to use single quotes in place of 
>double quotes or not. If it does, then maybe use single quotes there for 
>readability. Otherwise, and in the case of the $OPASS parameter, you'll 
>need to escape the double quotes individually, as in:
>PASS=`perl -e "print(\"userPassword: 
>{CRYPT}\".crypt(\"$OPASS\",\"frat-salt\").\"\n\");'`
>
>A bit messy, but I think it would work. ;)
>
>-- 
>-Eric 'shubes'
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how to reference bash variables inside perl script inside bash script?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I am attempting to write what I thought would be a simple wrapper
script around ldapmodify that would allow me to easily reset a user's
password. Inside my bash based wrapper script is a single line of perl
that encrypts the password I input and returns it as a specially formatted
string that then gets output to a LDIF file that is eventually sourced by
ldapmodify.

Then I wanted to be able to run the resulting script by doing:

reset_password george newpasswd

to reset the password in ldap to newpasswd for user account george

My problem is I want to be able to pick up $2 from the command line invocation
of my bash script for the desired password and then pass that into the one line
perl piece. But with all of the single quotes, double quotes, back ticks and
etc. I am not able to get the password value in the $2 to be correctly passed
into the perl one line part of the bash script.

The core part of the script I am having a problem with looks like:

#!/bin/bash

OPASS=$2

PASS=`perl -e 'print("userPassword: 
{CRYPT}".crypt("$OPASS","frat-salt")."\n");'`


The actual value of $PASS is supposed to end up looking like:

userPassword: {CRYPT}frJTbxR6L.kgA

I have looked at doing something like this:

#!/bin/bash

perl << 'EOF'
print("userPassword: {CRYPT}".crypt("$OPASS","frat-salt")."\n");
EOF

but I still don't think the bash variable OPASS would get properly evaluated in 
the perl invocation.

Any ideas?
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need rack brackets - have power cords

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have a 1U 48 port NetGear switch that I have to rack but
it came without any of the little L brackets I am used to
using to rack small 1U switches. Anyone have some of these?

I also have a semi-huge pile of power cords with the hood
around the prongs that plug into a PDU. We do not have any
of those sorts of PDUs so they are useless to me. If anyone
wants some of these let me know and I will bring to an east
side meeting or install-fest.

These types of PDU power connections are shown here:

http://www.apc-forums.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/7-1995-7257-417/P1010011.JPG
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Re: Installfest this Saturday - PLUG website dead?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Yes, but you will notice they call that an "Enhanced Error Results Page"
so that must be OK!  :-)


-Original Message-
>From: Brian Cluff 
>Sent: Feb 28, 2010 8:13 PM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: Installfest this Saturday - PLUG website dead?
>
>Your browser should be giving you an address not found message.  If bing 
>is factoring into it, then your dns is being hijacked, or you have some 
>sort of plugin that is redirecting your results.
>
>Attached is what I get when I try putting in something with a bad address.
>
>Brian Cluff
>
>On 02/28/2010 03:24 PM, Steve Phariss wrote:
>> Who does cox redirect to?  I get the bing search page, and if it is not
>> found (i.e. truely a bad search) then BING gives me a not found page
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Joseph Sinclair
>> mailto:plug-discuss...@stcaz.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Eric Shubert wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Could you elaborate about the redirect-failure-to-ads trick? I don't
>>  > know what you mean by that.
>>  >
>>  > Also, do you happen to know if Qwest is also doing this?
>>  >
>>  > Thanks again.
>>
>> Most ISP and commercial DNS providers, when a domain name isn't
>> found, do not return the mandated a NXDOMAIN response.
>> Instead they return the IP address of a server that just dumps a
>> page full of ads based on the (presumably mistyped) domain name.
>> The immediate problem is that a completely innocent typo can then
>> result in ads for almost anything (which can be *really* bad if a
>> kid is doing the typing).
>>
>> It's a dirty trick to try to turn DNS into a profit center, and I
>> find it completely despicable.
>> DNS has to trustworthy or the whole trust model of the net fails,
>> and any service that's willing to change NXDOMAIN responses for
>> profit could just as easily start redirecting other traffic for even
>> more profit (imagine if www.gnu.org  got
>> redirected to a MS anti-FOSS site when accessed from a Windows machine).
>>
>> I don't know if QWest is doing that, but I would be mildly surprised
>> if they aren't.


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Re: Installfest this Saturday - PLUG website dead?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Yes, I am using cox but I guess the bigger question is WHY
is cox reporting an incorrect IP for the plug web server?

-Original Message-
>From: Brian Cluff 
>Sent: Feb 28, 2010 1:56 AM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: Installfest this Saturday - PLUG website dead?
>
>It looks like the cox name server at 68.105.29.12 is reporting back the 
>wrong address for the plug server.  If you simply remove that nameserver 
>from your resolv.conf, you should be able to get to the server again.
>
>Brian Cluff
>
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Re: Installfest this Saturday - PLUG website dead?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have been trying to get to the web site this morning to find
more information about the install fest but the PLUG website
seems to be DOA.

-Original Message-

From: Dazed_75 

Sent: Feb 25, 2010 11:49 PM

To: Main PLUG discussion list 

Subject: Installfest this Saturday



We will be in room 204

http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ for details

-- 
Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, 
that I wish it always to be kept alive.

  - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: free long (approx 30ft) ethernet cables

[Steven A. DuChene]

I will look at the cables closer to see what the exact rating is on them.
They are pre-made cables rather than self assembled.

-Original Message-
>From: Eric Shubert 
>Sent: Feb 14, 2010 2:13 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: Re: free long (approx 30ft) ethernet cables
>
>Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>> I am involved in a data center move project and as part of the project
>> all of the ethernet cabling is being replaced. As such we have a 2ftx2ftx2ft
>> box full of what I believe are 30ft long ethernet cables of various colors.
>
>What type? cat5e?
>
>> There might also be some LC to LC fiber cables as well.
>> 
>> I could bring this stuff to the next east side meeting.
>> --
>> Steven DuChene
>> 
>> 
>
>
>-- 
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free long (approx 30ft) ethernet cables

[Steven A. DuChene]

I am involved in a data center move project and as part of the project
all of the ethernet cabling is being replaced. As such we have a 2ftx2ftx2ft
box full of what I believe are 30ft long ethernet cables of various colors.

There might also be some LC to LC fiber cables as well.

I could bring this stuff to the next east side meeting.
--
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Re: Project Update

[Steven A. DuChene]

If it was me I would look for a distribution that had newer bits (Samba & etc)than CentOS5.4Perhaps OpenSuSE-11.2 or similar.-Original Message-
From: Sean Parsons 
Sent: Jan 31, 2010 12:11 PM
To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' 
Subject: Project Update








 

 
  
 






Since, so many wanted my project to be posted for the
benefit of all, I’ll start be defining what our first steps are going to
be. I had an opportunity to sit down and discuss my goals and get some advice,
so this is how we have decided to proceed:

 

    Goal:
Build as much functionality based on Linux into an existing Microsoft SBS 2003 network
to provide redundancy and eventually alternatives to future Microsoft products.

Justification:  I would like
to avoid having to replace infrastructure because Microsoft has decided I need
to upgrade. I would like to make those choices based upon our needs and current
usage.

 

    Phase
1 - Tasks

1.   Since
Small Business Server 2003 is the critical piece and has the most requirement.  I
will be building a dedicated test box with full functionality to be part of the
sandbox. It will have the OS, Exchange, SQL, Sharepoint, and a simple 3 user
domain. This will be loaded on a Dell Power Edge 850 with 3GB Ram and dual
250GB hard drives mirrored to raid 1. I’ll use a single NIC.

2.   I
will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270, Samba will be loaded on
this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB hard drive.

3.   I
will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270, QmailToaster will be
loaded on this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB hard drive.

4.   A
24 port 1Gb Ethernet switch will be allocated for this test environment.

5.   A
loaned IPCop router will serve as gateway and will be assigned a static IP for
access.

 

Phase 1 – Goal

Build a simple but functional
network containing the elements necessary to demonstrate proof of concept for
this project.

 

    Timeframe

I expect a week or so to get these
systems operational and then begin the process of consolidating into a single
network and configuring services for use.

 

    Personally,
I have the challenge of loading CentOS for the first time, done Ubuntu, Debian
Sarge and Mandrake/Mandriva a long time ago…… but this one is new
to me and I’ll have to do it CLI….so might be fun. So got some
reading to do about the OS and how to install/update it.

 

I’ll post more, as I make
progress.

 

 

 

Sean
Parsons

 









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Anyone find a book at the meeting?

[Steven A. DuChene]

At the east side meeting this past week, when everyone was packing up
did anyone find a book? We have been unable to find my son's current
reading book yesterday and today and I cannot recall if we took it
along for him to read or not.

It is a fairly thick book called "Flyte" by Angie Sage.

If anyone seen this at the meeting I would appreciate knowing about
it so we can stop going crazy looking for it around here.
--
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Re: loading fresh system from rpm list?

[Steven A. DuChene]

The original system is a VERY minimal install and that is what
the owner wants me to mimic on the second system. He very carefully
went through and removed any packages he did not absolutely need
so rather than duplicate that work I thought I could somehow just
work from his list of rpms on the original system.

-Original Message-
>From: R P Herrold 
>Sent: Nov 23, 2009 2:54 PM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: loading fresh system from rpm list?
>
>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>
>> I have been requested to load a duplicate system based on the
>> list of rpms present on the original system. This is a CentOS
>
>> Does anyone know of a tool that would allow me to do a fresh
>> load of a bare system based on a list of desired rpms?
>
>master:
>   rpm -qa --qf '%{name}\n' | grep -v kernel | sort |  \
>   uniq >  /tmp/rpmlist.txt
>
>clone:
>   do a minimal install
>
>   scp master:/tmp/rpmlist.txt .
>
>   yum install rpmlist.txt
>
>Then on the clone, run:
>   rpm -qa --qf '%{name}\n' | grep -v kernel | sort |  \
>   uniq >  /tmp/rpmlist.txt
>
>   diff -u rpmlist.txt /tmp/rpmlist.txt
>
>and
>   rpm -e any strays present on the clone,
>
>and note anything not present, and repair to taste [this can 
>happen over time as the items in a point respin change, or if 
>a non-CentOS archive is used]
>
>- Russ herrold



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Re: loading fresh system from rpm list?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I had the owner of the system do a "rpm -qa" and redirect that to a file
so that is the list I have to start with. But the second system has a bare
hard drive so if I boot it to a rescue CD and bring over my rpm list
I can run yum from the rescue shell to build the new system that only
contains the rpms in my original list?

-Original Message-
>From: Ryan Rix 
>Sent: Nov 23, 2009 2:55 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: Re: loading fresh system from rpm list?
>
>Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>
>> I have been requested to load a duplicate system based on the
>> list of rpms present on the original system. This is a CentOS
>> based system so I looked at the kickstart file but rather than
>> working with a list of rpms it uses a list of higher level
>> packages that then reference groups of rpms to make up each
>> package.
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a tool that would allow me to do a fresh
>> load of a bare system based on a list of desired rpms?
>
>On source:
>rpm -qa --qf "install %{name}\n" > file.out
>
>On target:
>yum shell file.out
>
>as root.
>
>You can trim that list to fit. It's how I did a complete reinstall of my 
>system when I switched harddrives, and if I understand your issue, that 
>should work for you.
>
>> 
>> I have used systemimager in the past to pull an exact image
>> of a system for cloning but this idea has been shot down
>> by the person who requested this.
>> 
>> Any other tools out there that would do this?
>> --
>> Steven DuChene
>
>-- 
>Ryan Rix
>Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer
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loading fresh system from rpm list?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have been requested to load a duplicate system based on the
list of rpms present on the original system. This is a CentOS
based system so I looked at the kickstart file but rather than
working with a list of rpms it uses a list of higher level
packages that then reference groups of rpms to make up each
package.

Does anyone know of a tool that would allow me to do a fresh
load of a bare system based on a list of desired rpms?

I have used systemimager in the past to pull an exact image
of a system for cloning but this idea has been shot down
by the person who requested this.

Any other tools out there that would do this?
--
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Re: running Linux on odd devices is SOOO COOL!

[Steven A. DuChene]

dslinux.org

Wiki:  dslinux.org/wiki
Forums: dslinux.org/f0rums   (yes, the word forums but spelled
   with a zero in place of the "o")

-Original Message-
>From: Stephen 
>Sent: Nov 15, 2009 6:54 PM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: Re: running Linux on odd devices is SOOO COOL!
>
>link link link!
>
>On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Steven A. DuChene
> wrote:
>> So I am running a special version of Linux on my son's Nintendo DS Lite 
>> handheld game console!
>>
>> It is so cool!
>>
>>
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>rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>
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Re: running Linux on odd devices is SOOO COOL!

[Steven A. DuChene]

OK, I am going to force-ably pull this back on topic!  :-)

If anyone is interested in seeing this Nintendo DS running
Linux and wants to know how to do it, I can bring it to one
of the east side PLUG meetings and do a 5 - 10 minute talk
on the process.
--
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slightly used lc-lc fiber cables

[Steven A. DuChene]

I just picked up about 20 -30 LC to LC fiber cables that are slightly used.
If anyone has the means of testing them and needs some I can bring them
to either an east side PLUG meeting or perhaps one of the Saturday
installfests that take place at the university near Fry's Electronics
on Baseline.

I believe the range from 2 - 3 meter long cables but I have not checked for 
sure.

Again I do not know if they are good cables or bad cables that have been too
heavily abused and I suggest testing them if possible before putting them
into service. I am giving them away so if they do not function 100% do not
complain to me. :-)
--
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Wireless security (was linux on odd devices)

[Steven A. DuChene]

Yes, I realize this whole wireless encryption stuff is just to fool peopleinto believing they are secure.I was in BestBuy a few weeks ago and I noticed a power line networkingproduct they had that seemed like it would be a much better solution toproviding network coverage inside a house. The product claimed thatthere were two point to point devices that plugged into wall outlets andthen a ethernet cable would be plugged into each device. I think thespeeds were slightly better than wireless too.-Original Message-
From: Lisa Kachold 
Sent: Nov 14, 2009 2:02 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: running Linux on odd devices is SOOO COOL!

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:43 AM, AZ RUNE  wrote:
Buy another router and set up a 2nd network with no Internet Access to test it on WEP.Brian The whole concept of "wireless encryption security" is somewhat moot with airdump-ng etc tools. 
WEP keys are really easy to break.WPA is also easily encroached - but harder with a truely unique secure key (which few people use)It just exists as part of the big "security" matrix to keep the honest people out.  Crackers can get right in anyway!
http://www.obnosis.com/Layer8Wireless.html-- Skype: (623)239-3392 AT&T: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com




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Re: running Linux on odd devices is SOOO COOL!

[Steven A. DuChene]

Well, I discovered according to the dslinux docs that the wireless
support only works with no encryption or WEP. No WPA or WPA2 support is planned.

Unfortunately I have my wireless router setup and working with WPA2

Nuts!  I was looking forward to ssh'ing to the the NDS from my
desktop system. :-)

-Original Message-
>From: Alan Dayley 
>Sent: Nov 14, 2009 1:08 AM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: Re: running Linux on odd devices is SOOO COOL!
>
>What fun!  Keep playing and learning.
>
>Alan
>
>On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Steven A. DuChene
> wrote:
>> So I am running a special version of Linux on my son's Nintendo DS Lite 
>> handheld game console!
>>
>> It is so cool!



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running Linux on odd devices is SOOO COOL!

[Steven A. DuChene]

So I am running a special version of Linux on my son's Nintendo DS Lite 
handheld game console!

It is so cool!


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Re: HackFest Evening Schedule Changes - Request for Community Suggestions and Feedback

[Steven A. DuChene]

Dumb question time.I have never attended one of these hackfest events.What are they exactly?--Steven DuChene-Original Message-
From: Lisa Kachold 
Sent: Nov 3, 2009 4:19 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list , PLUG Applcations List 
Subject: HackFest Evening Schedule Changes - Request for Community Suggestions	and Feedback

We have obtained the auditorium at John C. Lincoln Hospital on Wednesday night (the only night we could get this month) but might be able to get a different night booked.I understand from speaking with everyone that Wednesday nights is a bad time for everyone.  
What night works best?  Please give me some input?-- Skype: (623)239-3392 AT&T: (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com


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Re: weirdness with slow ssh connections (IPv6 related?)

[Steven A. DuChene]

I tried the OPTIONS="-4" suggestion in the /etc/sysconfig/named file
and restarted named on all my nameservers but it made no difference.
Doing the following:

r...@adm #  ssh new75   (or any of the 50 - 70 RHEL5/CentOS5 servers)

takes a LONG time to get a shell prompt. I did confirm that the "-4"
is indeed showing up on the named invocation in a ps list.


>
>http://forums.cpanel.net/f5/rh-5-4-update-bind-named-network-unreachable-resolving-ipv6-129889.html
>?
>
>-- 
>-Eric 'shubes'
>



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weirdness with slow ssh connections (IPv6 related?)

[Steven A. DuChene]

I am working on a project with 50 - 70 servers in the AT&T data center
on University. They have either RHEL5U3 or CentOS5U3 on the systems.
I have DNS configured with the normal bind 9 packages that come with
CentOS5U3. My problem is when using ssh to get between the systems
if i use the short name for a system it takes a long time to get to
a shell prompt on the remote system. If I use the fully qualified
domain name or the IP address of I use a "-4" with the short name
I get to a shell prompt immediately. So to illustrate:

r...@adm #  ssh new75

takes a LONG time to get shell prompt.

Any of the following get me a shell prompt almost immediately:

r...@adm #  ssh -4 new75

r...@adm #  ssh new75.wholedomain.here

r...@adm #  ssh 10.4.5.6   (IP address of new75 system)

Since the "-4" option seems to have a positive effect I have gone
to each system and made sure the IPv6 kernel modules are not loaded
and the network file in /etc/sysconfig/ has the following line in
it:

NETWORKING_IPV6=no

but that made little or no difference to the problem. The lines
I added to the /etc/modprobe.conf file look like this:

alias net-pf-10 off
alias ipv6 off

I believe it some strange interaction problem between IPv6 and DNS
but I do not have a clear plan on what to try next.

Any suggestions?
--
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Re: looking for redhat-release file from RHEL5Ux

[Steven A. DuChene]

I was able to get what I needed from the redhat-release SRPM
as Craig suggested. Thanks all!

-Original Message-
>From: "der.hans" 
>Sent: Oct 16, 2009 11:43 PM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: Re: looking for redhat-release file from RHEL5Ux
>
>Am 16. Okt, 2009 schwätzte Steven A. DuChene so:
>
>moin moin Steven,
>
>> I am trying to write a script that parses a redhat-release file
>> and I need such a file from RHEL5U1 or RHEL5U2 or RHEL5U3
>
>You should probably switch to using lsb_release instead anyway :).
>
>That should give you enough release info and a standard format.
>
>No LSB modules are available.
>Distributor ID: Ubuntu
>Description:Ubuntu 9.04
>Release:9.04
>Codename:   jaunty
>
>LSB Version: 
>:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:desktop-3.1-ia32:desktop-3.1-noarch:desktop-3.2-ia32:desktop-3.2-noarch
>Description:Fedora release 11 (Leonidas)
>Release:11
>Distributor ID: Fedora
>Codename:   Leonidas
>
>I don't have a CentOS or RHEL image on the air right now, or I'd show you
>that as well. Had to beg for the Fedora output :).
>
>> I have the same file from CentOS5 but I need the same thing
>> from one of the actual RHEL5 releases detailed above.
>
>Maybe Curtis or Akash will PM you with the info.
>
>ciao,
>
>der.hans
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looking for redhat-release file from RHEL5Ux

[Steven A. DuChene]

I am trying to write a script that parses a redhat-release file
and I need such a file from RHEL5U1 or RHEL5U2 or RHEL5U3

I have the same file from CentOS5 but I need the same thing
from one of the actual RHEL5 releases detailed above.

Thanks in advance


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FTC publishes guidelines for blogs

[Steven A. DuChene]

I noticed that yesterday the FTC published guidelines about how
bloggers must disclose material connections to companies whose
products they favorably review. I got to wondering if there
might be someway to use this to get people like Laura Didio
or Rob Enderle to disclose "material connection" ties to
Microsoft. Hmmm, perhaps this is just wishful thinking...
--
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OT: TSA Secure Flight?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Anyone else get any sort of notice from any airline frequent flyer
programs about some additional information being needed because
of some new "TSA Secure Flight" program?

It appears airlines will now need date of birth and other information
in order to sell you a ticket.

All of this extra regulations from TSA or Homeland Security governement
organizations is just getting too much for anyone concerned about
personal privacy issues.
--
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Re: SATA drive problem

[Steven A. DuChene]

The drivers for SATA disk controllers are implemented as part of the SCSIcode tree and thus show up as sdX drives rather than hdXThis is a normal condition.As far as the "ghosting" showing up in Gnome's File Browser I have no clue.-Original Message-
From: Mark Jarvis 
Sent: Oct 1, 2009 2:28 AM
To: plug 
Subject: SATA drive problem







Up until a couple of days ago, I had 3 EIDE drives and POST reported my
hard drives:

    IDE Channel 0 Master     a 120 GB drive
    IDE Channel 0 Slave       a 120 GB drive 
    IDE Channel 1 Master     a 160 GB drive
    IDE Channel 1 Slave        a DVD
    IDE Channel 2 Master None
    IDE Channel 3
Master None

Simplifying things, channel 0 Master has my Windows Installation,
Channel 0 Slave my Linux stuff, and Channel 1 Master is a backup/clone
of
Channel 0 Master. Ubuntu sees the three drives as sda, sdb, and sdc.

Monday I picked up a couple of 1.0 TB  SATA drives. Starting slowly, I
added one to Channel 2. I cloned the Windows drive (Channel 0 Master)
to it, pulled the power plug on Channel 0 Master, and changed the boot
sequence in Setup. I also changed the label on one of the partitions on
the new drive. POST reports:

    IDE Channel 0 Master None
    IDE Channel 0 Slave       a 120 GB drive 
    IDE Channel 1 Master     a 160 GB drive
    IDE Channel 1 Slave       a  DVD
    IDE Channel 2 Master a SATA 1 TB drive
    IDE Channel 3
Master None

Windows works pretty much OK. Booting into Ubuntu 9.04, I was surprised
that Gnome's File Browser shows ghosts of the old channel 0
Master--complete with the labels of the old partitions, and does not show the new drive. I
brought up Gnome's gparted. It saw the new drive just fine--as sda! I
had expected almost anything--except sda. This is not a "real work"
Linux installation and besides, /home is in a different partition, so I
could just re-install and that would probably fix things, but I'd
rather make what's there work correctly.

Questions: 
    1) Why did a SATA drive on Channel 3 show up as sda?
    2) How can I kick Gnome's File Browser into dropping the ghosts and
showing the contents of the new drive?

I guess that all of my admin/reference books are out of date, because I
can't find anything in them that helps. The MAN pages would probably
help, but I don't know where to start.

Any help, pointers to where I can find explanations, etc. will be much
appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark Jarvis

 





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Re: ABLEconf work mtg, Monday nights

[Steven A. DuChene]

Umm, what IRC system is #ABLEconf in? freenode.net or somewhere else?

-Original Message-
>From: "der.hans" 
>Sent: Sep 21, 2009 10:26 PM
>To: quatsch 
>Subject: ABLEconf work mtg, Monday nights
>
>moin moin,
>
>ABLEconf has started a new work meeting. The goal is to specify tasks and
>get them done during the meeting. It's an online meeting in ABLEconf's IRC
>channel.
>
>http://www.ABLEconf.com/node/36
>
>ciao,
>
>der.hans
>-- 
>#  http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.ABLEconf.com/
>#  Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc.
>#  ABLEconf: Saturday, 2009Okt24, Tempe. Call for Presentations now open.
>#  If you're not learning, you're not living. - der.hans
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Re: topics for east side this Thursday?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Whoops, nevermind. I found it. It is just not showing up on the main plug page
but does once I click on the east side meeting link.

-Original Message-
>From: "der.hans" 
>Sent: Sep 10, 2009 4:18 AM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: topics for east side this Thursday?
>
>Am 09. Sep, 2009 schwätzte Matthew A Coulliette so:
>
>moin moin Matthew,
>
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>> der.hans wrote:
>>> Am 07. Sep, 2009 schwätzte Matthew A Coulliette so:
>>>
>>> moin moin Matthew,
>>>
 I will be giving a short talk on ChatZilla which will conclude my
 Mozilla Series. After I have completed my class on OpenOffice.org, (and
>>>
>>> Cool. Would you add it to the event on the site?
>>
>>
>> I do not have authorization to edit other peoples events.
>
>Sorry. I thought you did. Just fixed that.
>
>I updated the meeting info.
>
>ciao,
>
>der.hans
>-- 
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>#  Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc.
>#  ABLEconf: Saturday, 2009Okt24, Tempe. Call for Presentations now open.
>#  To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
>#  are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
>#  and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
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Re: topics for east side this Thursday?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I don't see any details on the plug site about my ganglia talk.
I sent both you and Mathew the abstract.
Should I show up or not?

-Original Message-
>From: "der.hans" 
>Sent: Sep 10, 2009 4:18 AM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: topics for east side this Thursday?
>
>Am 09. Sep, 2009 schwätzte Matthew A Coulliette so:
>
>moin moin Matthew,
>
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>> der.hans wrote:
>>> Am 07. Sep, 2009 schwätzte Matthew A Coulliette so:
>>>
>>> moin moin Matthew,
>>>
 I will be giving a short talk on ChatZilla which will conclude my
 Mozilla Series. After I have completed my class on OpenOffice.org, (and
>>>
>>> Cool. Would you add it to the event on the site?
>>
>>
>> I do not have authorization to edit other peoples events.
>
>Sorry. I thought you did. Just fixed that.
>
>I updated the meeting info.
>
>ciao,
>
>der.hans
>-- 
>#  http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.ABLEconf.com/
>#  Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc.
>#  ABLEconf: Saturday, 2009Okt24, Tempe. Call for Presentations now open.
>#  To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
>#  are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
>#  and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
>#  -- Theodore Roosevelt, editorial in the Kansas City Star, 07May1918



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Re: east side meeting room equipment availability?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Larry:Is there internet connectivity in the room?-Original Message-
From: Dazed_75 
Sent: Sep 8, 2009 7:20 PM
To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: east side meeting room equipment availability?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Steven A. DuChene <linux-clust...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Is there a projection system and a white board & markers available at the east side meeting location?
If there is a computer display projector available does anyone know what display resolution it is able to support?
It has been a while since I have been to a meeting.
--
Steven DuChene


The room has white boards but I don't know if we are free to erase anything.  We used to always have a projector but not this summer.  I am bringing my own in case we need it.  It is an EPSON SX70
Native Resolution
1280 x 800 (WXGA)
Resize
640 x 480 (VGA), 1024 x 768 (XGA),
1152 x 864 (SXGA), 1400 x 900 (WXGA+), 1440 x 900 (WSXGA), 1680 x 1050 (WSXGA+), 1400 x 1050 (SXGA+), 
1600 x 1200 (UXGA)-- Dazed_75 a.k.a. LarryThe spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.  - Thomas Jefferson




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east side meeting room equipment availability?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Is there a projection system and a white board & markers available at the east 
side meeting location?
If there is a computer display projector available does anyone know what 
display resolution it is able to support?
It has been a while since I have been to a meeting.
--
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Re: topics for east side this Thursday?

[Steven A. DuChene]

If there is interest I can do a talk on the ganglia systems monitoring. The 
talk would show
how to install and configure it and then show how it works. Also there would be 
a little info
on how to ad additional metrics to the monitoring stream.
--
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Re: Employee owned IT consulting meeting.

[Steven A. DuChene]

Where is more information about this installfest?
I looked on the plug web site and the only installfest listed is
for Jun 27 - 10:00

-Original Message-
>From: Trent Shipley 
>Sent: Aug 27, 2009 7:19 PM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Employee owned IT consulting meeting.
>
>We will meet this Saturday (2009-08-29) a the Installfest at UAT at Noon
>to discuss employee owned IT consulting groups serving small and medium
>businesses.
>
>Please cross post to other lists.  We need all sorts, even Microsoften
>zombies, pointy haired managers, and sales geeks.
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RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date? more info

[Steven A. DuChene]

Umm, no

ntpd seems to be working as expected (correctly?) now and as I said
ntpdate is the only thing I have a problem now and that does not use the
ntp.conf file at all.

-Original Message-
>From: Bob Elzer 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 10:02 PM
>To: "'Steven A. DuChene'" , 'Main PLUG 
>discussion list' 
>Subject: RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date? more info
>
>Did you make the changes I suggested to the conf file ?
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven
>A. DuChene
>Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:58 PM
>To: 'Main PLUG discussion list'
>Subject: RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date? more info
>
>OK, I ran the ntpdate command within strace and got the output attached.
>It seems to be sitting there polling for something and never receiving a
>reply.
>At least that is what I see.
>
>Anyone else see anything different? Or have any idea why the poll never
>completes or gets a result? And what exactly is it polling for?
>--
>Steve
>
>
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RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date? more info

[Steven A. DuChene]

OK, I ran the ntpdate command within strace and got the output attached.
It seems to be sitting there polling for something and never receiving a reply.
At least that is what I see.

Anyone else see anything different? Or have any idea why the poll never 
completes
or gets a result? And what exactly is it polling for?
--
Steve




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RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date? more info

[Steven A. DuChene]

Hmm, stranger & stranger.

I just tried the SAME ntpdate command on a machine INSIDE my network
and it works just fine there so that eliminates as far as I can tell having a 
problem
with the Cox external network access. The ntpdate command hangs only
on the gateway system.

-Original Message-
>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 9:36 PM
>To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' 
>Subject: RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date? SOLVED? (sort of)
>
>OK, I think I found the problem with ntpd not getting any peers from my server 
>list.
>I was starting ntpd from the command line with the following syntax:
>
>ntpd -I eth0 -D 4 -n
>
>eth0 is my internal network. I got to looking at the "no interface found 
>for..."
>messages and thought I would try adding a -I eth1 where eth1 is my external
>outside network connection through the Cox cable modem. So now my command
>syntax is:
>
>ntpd -u ntp -I eth0 -I eth1 -D 4
>
>Once I added the "-I eth1" I now seem to have the three external peers listed
>when I run "ntpq -p"
>
>This still does not explain why ntpdate hangs with no replies however. The
>ntpdate command sequence I used does not list anything other than the
>servers like this:
>
>ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com
>
>no restrictions on the interface or anything so I am still not understanding
>why that does not work. Plus when I try to start the ntp service from the init
>script there is no restrictions on the interface like I was using from the
>command line.
>
>Anyway I think there is still some issue with the ntpdatge command hanging
>and since the ntp init script always calls ntpdate before starting ntpd I am
>still not going to be able to enable the ntp service on startup.
>
>Some progress has been made however.
>--
>Steve
>
>
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RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date? SOLVED? (sort of)

[Steven A. DuChene]

OK, I think I found the problem with ntpd not getting any peers from my server 
list.
I was starting ntpd from the command line with the following syntax:

ntpd -I eth0 -D 4 -n

eth0 is my internal network. I got to looking at the "no interface found for..."
messages and thought I would try adding a -I eth1 where eth1 is my external
outside network connection through the Cox cable modem. So now my command
syntax is:

ntpd -u ntp -I eth0 -I eth1 -D 4

Once I added the "-I eth1" I now seem to have the three external peers listed
when I run "ntpq -p"

This still does not explain why ntpdate hangs with no replies however. The
ntpdate command sequence I used does not list anything other than the
servers like this:

ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com

no restrictions on the interface or anything so I am still not understanding
why that does not work. Plus when I try to start the ntp service from the init
script there is no restrictions on the interface like I was using from the
command line.

Anyway I think there is still some issue with the ntpdatge command hanging
and since the ntp init script always calls ntpdate before starting ntpd I am
still not going to be able to enable the ntp service on startup.

Some progress has been made however.
--
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RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I did. I attached it to the last message you quoted below.
Does this mailing list server strip off attachments?
Even if they are just text?

-Original Message-
>From: Bob Elzer 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 6:34 PM
>To: "'Steven A. DuChene'" , 'Main PLUG 
>discussion list' 
>Subject: RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>Show us the conf file and we can probably tell you why
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Steven
>A. DuChene
>Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:52 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>OK, but why would I have the problem with ntpdate too? It does not use the
>ntp.conf file as far as I can tell. I think it is some sort of network
>problem but here is the ntp.conf file anyway.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Eric Shubert 
>>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 5:03 PM
>>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>
>>Sounding to me like there might be a problem in your ntp.conf file.
>>Can we have a look at it?
>>
>>Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>>> And after each of those lines shown below is a line that says:
>>> 
>>> addto_syslog: configuration of 148.167.132.200 failed
>>> addto_syslog: configuration of 66.27.60.10 failed
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> I am going to google this and see if anything pops up.
>>> --
>>> Steve
>
>
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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

OK, but why would I have the problem with ntpdate too? It does not use the
ntp.conf file as far as I can tell. I think it is some sort of network problem
but here is the ntp.conf file anyway.



-Original Message-
>From: Eric Shubert 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 5:03 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>Sounding to me like there might be a problem in your ntp.conf file.
>Can we have a look at it?
>
>Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>> And after each of those lines shown below is a line that says:
>> 
>> addto_syslog: configuration of 148.167.132.200 failed
>> addto_syslog: configuration of 66.27.60.10 failed
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> I am going to google this and see if anything pops up.
>> --
>> Steve




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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

And after each of those lines shown below is a line that says:

addto_syslog: configuration of 148.167.132.200 failed
addto_syslog: configuration of 66.27.60.10 failed

Any ideas?

I am going to google this and see if anything pops up.
--
Steve

-Original Message-
>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 4:44 PM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>Hmm, in the debug output from the ntp server startup on my gateway system I see
>the following:
>
>addto_syslog: Cannot find existing interface for address 148.167.132.200
>addto_syslog: Cannot find existing interface for address 66.27.60.10
>
>among the other messages there. The addresses 148.167.132.200 and 66.27.60.10
>corresponds to the two ntp servers I have set in my ntp.conf file on that 
>system.
>
>So it seems that the ntpd daemon does indeed start up but it still is not able 
>to contact
>either of the ntp servers I have configured.
>
>NUTS!
>
>Just a guess but I am thinking this is a Cox network thing. That is just a 
>guess though.
>Is anyone else here on a Cox cable modem able to sync to a external ntp server?
>--
>Steve
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 4:37 PM
>>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>
>>OK, I may be wrong again. If I start ntpd by hand on my gateway/firewall 
>>system
>>it does indeed start and I am able to sync to that system from the other 
>>client
>>systems on my network but when I do a ntpq on it and type "peers" the only
>>thing listed there is the LOCAL (0) one. Unless I am mistaken it should also
>>list the two other ntp servers I have configured in the ntp.conf file. Right?
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>>>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 4:28 PM
>>>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>>>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>>
>>>I mis-spoke below. It is not the cable modem thata has a time display but 
>>>rather the cable TV box
>>>that has nothing to do with my network.
>>>
>>>I have discovered something else. If I start ntpd by hand on my external 
>>>gateway server
>>>(the SuSE-10.1 system), it seems to work just fine. It seems to synchronize 
>>>with the
>>>ntp servers and provides replies to my local network systems.
>>>
>>>It seems that is is just the actual ntpdate command to those external 
>>>servers that does not
>>>function and hangs everytime I try it. My guess is if I commented out the 
>>>calls to ntpdate
>>>in the ntp init script everything would function just fine.
>>>
>>>Why would ntpd connect and work fine but ntpdate will not function?
>>>--
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>>>>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:50 PM
>>>>To: Alex Dean , Main PLUG discussion list 
>>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>>>
>>>>My Cox cable modem has a time display that is set by their network and the 
>>>>time on my system
>>>>is set to under a minute different than that display. Besides if I cannot 
>>>>get any sort of reply
>>>>from the ntp servers how can I tell what time they are synced to?
>>>>--
>>>>Steve
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Hmm, in the debug output from the ntp server startup on my gateway system I see
the following:

addto_syslog: Cannot find existing interface for address 148.167.132.200
addto_syslog: Cannot find existing interface for address 66.27.60.10

among the other messages there. The addresses 148.167.132.200 and 66.27.60.10
corresponds to the two ntp servers I have set in my ntp.conf file on that 
system.

So it seems that the ntpd daemon does indeed start up but it still is not able 
to contact
either of the ntp servers I have configured.

NUTS!

Just a guess but I am thinking this is a Cox network thing. That is just a 
guess though.
Is anyone else here on a Cox cable modem able to sync to a external ntp server?
--
Steve

-Original Message-
>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 4:37 PM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>OK, I may be wrong again. If I start ntpd by hand on my gateway/firewall system
>it does indeed start and I am able to sync to that system from the other client
>systems on my network but when I do a ntpq on it and type "peers" the only
>thing listed there is the LOCAL (0) one. Unless I am mistaken it should also
>list the two other ntp servers I have configured in the ntp.conf file. Right?
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 4:28 PM
>>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>
>>I mis-spoke below. It is not the cable modem thata has a time display but 
>>rather the cable TV box
>>that has nothing to do with my network.
>>
>>I have discovered something else. If I start ntpd by hand on my external 
>>gateway server
>>(the SuSE-10.1 system), it seems to work just fine. It seems to synchronize 
>>with the
>>ntp servers and provides replies to my local network systems.
>>
>>It seems that is is just the actual ntpdate command to those external servers 
>>that does not
>>function and hangs everytime I try it. My guess is if I commented out the 
>>calls to ntpdate
>>in the ntp init script everything would function just fine.
>>
>>Why would ntpd connect and work fine but ntpdate will not function?
>>--
>>Steve
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>>>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:50 PM
>>>To: Alex Dean , Main PLUG discussion list 
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>>
>>>My Cox cable modem has a time display that is set by their network and the 
>>>time on my system
>>>is set to under a minute different than that display. Besides if I cannot 
>>>get any sort of reply
>>>from the ntp servers how can I tell what time they are synced to?
>>>--
>>>Steve
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

OK, I may be wrong again. If I start ntpd by hand on my gateway/firewall system
it does indeed start and I am able to sync to that system from the other client
systems on my network but when I do a ntpq on it and type "peers" the only
thing listed there is the LOCAL (0) one. Unless I am mistaken it should also
list the two other ntp servers I have configured in the ntp.conf file. Right?

-Original Message-
>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 4:28 PM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>I mis-spoke below. It is not the cable modem thata has a time display but 
>rather the cable TV box
>that has nothing to do with my network.
>
>I have discovered something else. If I start ntpd by hand on my external 
>gateway server
>(the SuSE-10.1 system), it seems to work just fine. It seems to synchronize 
>with the
>ntp servers and provides replies to my local network systems.
>
>It seems that is is just the actual ntpdate command to those external servers 
>that does not
>function and hangs everytime I try it. My guess is if I commented out the 
>calls to ntpdate
>in the ntp init script everything would function just fine.
>
>Why would ntpd connect and work fine but ntpdate will not function?
>--
>Steve
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:50 PM
>>To: Alex Dean , Main PLUG discussion list 
>>
>>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>
>>My Cox cable modem has a time display that is set by their network and the 
>>time on my system
>>is set to under a minute different than that display. Besides if I cannot get 
>>any sort of reply
>>from the ntp servers how can I tell what time they are synced to?
>>--
>>Steve
>>
>
>
>
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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I mis-spoke below. It is not the cable modem thata has a time display but 
rather the cable TV box
that has nothing to do with my network.

I have discovered something else. If I start ntpd by hand on my external 
gateway server
(the SuSE-10.1 system), it seems to work just fine. It seems to synchronize 
with the
ntp servers and provides replies to my local network systems.

It seems that is is just the actual ntpdate command to those external servers 
that does not
function and hangs everytime I try it. My guess is if I commented out the calls 
to ntpdate
in the ntp init script everything would function just fine.

Why would ntpd connect and work fine but ntpdate will not function?
--
Steve

-Original Message-
>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:50 PM
>To: Alex Dean , Main PLUG discussion list 
>
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>My Cox cable modem has a time display that is set by their network and the 
>time on my system
>is set to under a minute different than that display. Besides if I cannot get 
>any sort of reply
>from the ntp servers how can I tell what time they are synced to?
>--
>Steve
>



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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

My Cox cable modem has a time display that is set by their network and the time 
on my system
is set to under a minute different than that display. Besides if I cannot get 
any sort of reply
from the ntp servers how can I tell what time they are synced to?
--
Steve

-Original Message-
>From: Alex Dean 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:45 PM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>How far off is your current time from the ntp server's time?  If  
>they're way out of whack, I think ntp will refuse to synchronize.  I  
>forget how large of a disparity it will handle, but if they're an  
>entire hour different, it might just do nothing.  I'd expect an error  
>message in that case, though.  Try setting the system time with 'date'  
>to something close to the ntp server's time, then start up the ntp  
>process again.
>
>alex
>
>On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>
>> Hmm, Here it never starts doing those transmit packets after  
>> locating the servers.
>>
>> I just tried it with the firewall turned off and I still get the  
>> same result so it must not be the firewall.
>> I am on a Cox cable modem. I wonder if Cox blocks NTP on their  
>> network?
>> --
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Eric Shubert 
>>> Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:33 PM
>>> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>> Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>>
>>> Here's what I get on a test server of mine:
>>> [r...@dellefield ~]# ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us  
>>> ntp.drydog.com
>>> 25 Aug 12:28:28 ntpdate[6149]: ntpdate 4.2@1.1570-o Tue May 19
>>> 13:58:06 UTC 2009 (1)
>>> Looking for host dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us and service ntp
>>> host found : dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us
>>> Looking for host ntp.drydog.com and service ntp
>>> host found : rrcs-66-27-60-10.west.biz.rr.com
>>> transmit(148.167.132.200)
>>> receive(148.167.132.200)
>>> transmit(148.167.132.200)
>>> receive(148.167.132.200)
>>> transmit(148.167.132.200)
>>> transmit(66.27.60.10)
>>> receive(148.167.132.200)
>>> transmit(148.167.132.200)
>>> receive(148.167.132.200)
>>> transmit(148.167.132.200)
>>> receive(66.27.60.10)
>>> transmit(66.27.60.10)
>>> receive(66.27.60.10)
>>> transmit(66.27.60.10)
>>> receive(66.27.60.10)
>>> transmit(66.27.60.10)
>>> receive(66.27.60.10)
>>> transmit(66.27.60.10)
>>> server 148.167.132.200, port 123
>>> stratum 2, precision -20, leap 00, trust 000
>>> refid [148.167.132.200], delay 0.09081, dispersion 0.01126
>>> transmitted 4, in filter 4
>>> reference time:ce3eb3eb.9159d1f0  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:03:07.567
>>> originate timestamp: ce3eb9de.49e55521  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.288
>>> transmit timestamp:  ce3eb9de.43a0f909  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.264
>>> filter delay:  0.11383  0.13196  0.11774  0.09081
>>> 0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0
>>> filter offset: 0.002299 0.012727 0.005610 -0.00813
>>> 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
>>> delay 0.09081, dispersion 0.01126
>>> offset -0.008137
>>>
>>> server 66.27.60.10, port 123
>>> stratum 2, precision -21, leap 00, trust 000
>>> refid [66.27.60.10], delay 0.28584, dispersion 0.00227
>>> transmitted 4, in filter 4
>>> reference time:ce3eb980.f314d607  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:26:56.949
>>> originate timestamp: ce3eb9df.19cc  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:31.100
>>> transmit timestamp:  ce3eb9de.f711a543  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.965
>>> filter delay:  0.29257  0.28622  0.28584  0.30823
>>> 0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0
>>> filter offset: 0.002869 0.004561 0.005198 -0.00578
>>> 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
>>> delay 0.28584, dispersion 0.00227
>>> offset 0.005198
>>>
>>> 25 Aug 12:28:31 ntpdate[6149]: adjust time server 148.167.132.200  
>>> offset
>>> -0.008137 sec
>>> [r...@dellefield ~]#
>>>
>>> So the ntp servers are ok. Are you in a position to stop the firewall
>>> momentarily for a test to be sure that's where your blockage is?
>>>
>>> Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>>>> I ran the following:
>>>>
>>>> ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com
>>>>
>&

RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

SuSE-10.1 does not seem to have rdate as an available utility.

-Original Message-
>From: Bob Elzer 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:19 PM
>To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' 
>Subject: RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>To set you initial time you should run rdate
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jon M.
>Hanson
>Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:43 AM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>ntp also adjusts your clock gradually so it won't immediately jump to the
>correct time. This is to prevent problems with services (like cron and
>logging) that depend on a clock that doesn't suddenly change.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Alex Dean  wrote:
>
>> Try tailing /var/log/messages (you said this was fedora, right?) when 
>> you start up the ntp daemon.  It can take a while (>1 minute
>> sometimes) for the time servers to synchronize, but you should see 
>> some log activity during that time to show you that it's working.
>>
>> alex



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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Hmm, Here it never starts doing those transmit packets after locating the 
servers.

I just tried it with the firewall turned off and I still get the same result so 
it must not be the firewall.
I am on a Cox cable modem. I wonder if Cox blocks NTP on their network?
--
Steve

-Original Message-
>From: Eric Shubert 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:33 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>Here's what I get on a test server of mine:
>[r...@dellefield ~]# ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com
>25 Aug 12:28:28 ntpdate[6149]: ntpdate 4.2@1.1570-o Tue May 19 
>13:58:06 UTC 2009 (1)
>Looking for host dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us and service ntp
>host found : dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us
>Looking for host ntp.drydog.com and service ntp
>host found : rrcs-66-27-60-10.west.biz.rr.com
>transmit(148.167.132.200)
>receive(148.167.132.200)
>transmit(148.167.132.200)
>receive(148.167.132.200)
>transmit(148.167.132.200)
>transmit(66.27.60.10)
>receive(148.167.132.200)
>transmit(148.167.132.200)
>receive(148.167.132.200)
>transmit(148.167.132.200)
>receive(66.27.60.10)
>transmit(66.27.60.10)
>receive(66.27.60.10)
>transmit(66.27.60.10)
>receive(66.27.60.10)
>transmit(66.27.60.10)
>receive(66.27.60.10)
>transmit(66.27.60.10)
>server 148.167.132.200, port 123
>stratum 2, precision -20, leap 00, trust 000
>refid [148.167.132.200], delay 0.09081, dispersion 0.01126
>transmitted 4, in filter 4
>reference time:ce3eb3eb.9159d1f0  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:03:07.567
>originate timestamp: ce3eb9de.49e55521  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.288
>transmit timestamp:  ce3eb9de.43a0f909  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.264
>filter delay:  0.11383  0.13196  0.11774  0.09081
>  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0
>filter offset: 0.002299 0.012727 0.005610 -0.00813
>  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
>delay 0.09081, dispersion 0.01126
>offset -0.008137
>
>server 66.27.60.10, port 123
>stratum 2, precision -21, leap 00, trust 000
>refid [66.27.60.10], delay 0.28584, dispersion 0.00227
>transmitted 4, in filter 4
>reference time:ce3eb980.f314d607  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:26:56.949
>originate timestamp: ce3eb9df.19cc  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:31.100
>transmit timestamp:  ce3eb9de.f711a543  Tue, Aug 25 2009 12:28:30.965
>filter delay:  0.29257  0.28622  0.28584  0.30823
>  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0
>filter offset: 0.002869 0.004561 0.005198 -0.00578
>  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
>delay 0.28584, dispersion 0.00227
>offset 0.005198
>
>25 Aug 12:28:31 ntpdate[6149]: adjust time server 148.167.132.200 offset 
>-0.008137 sec
>[r...@dellefield ~]#
>
>So the ntp servers are ok. Are you in a position to stop the firewall 
>momentarily for a test to be sure that's where your blockage is?
>
>Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>> I ran the following:
>> 
>> ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.com
>> 
>> and it looked for and found both hosts but then just sits there with
>> no other output.
>> --
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Eric Cope
>> Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
>> Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>> 
>> You can force an update, instead of waiting on the incremental
>> changes. But, as noted below, it may affect services.
>> Eric
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jon M. Hanson
>> mailto:j...@the-hansons-az.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ntp also adjusts your clock gradually so it won't immediately
>> jump to
>> the correct time. This is to prevent problems with services
>> (like cron
>> and logging) that depend on a clock that doesn't suddenly change.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Alex Dean > <mailto:a...@crackpot.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>  > Try tailing /var/log/messages (you said this was fedora, right?)
>>  > when you start up the ntp daemon.  It can take a while (>1 minute
>>  > sometimes) for the time servers to synchronize, but you
>> should see
>>  > some log activity during that time to show you that it's working.
>>  >
>>  > alex
>>  >
>>  > On Aug 25, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Hmm, so I did the following:
>>  >>
>&g

RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

yes


-Original Message-

From: Bob Elzer 

Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:24 PM

To: "'Steven A. DuChene'" , 'Main PLUG discussion list' 

Subject: RE: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

Are you running ntpdate as root ?
 
From: 
plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of 
Steven A. DuChene
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:17 
PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: correct way to 
set timezone & clock/date?


I ran the following:

ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us 
ntp.drydog.com

and it looked for and found both hosts but then just sits 
there with
no other output.
--
Steve



-Original 
  Message- 
From: Eric Cope 
Sent: Aug 25, 2009 
  3:10 PM 
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
  
Subject: Re: correct way to set 
  timezone & clock/date? 

You can force an update, instead of waiting 
  on the incremental changes. But, as noted below, it may affect 
  services.
Eric


  On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jon M. Hanson  
wrote:

  ntp 
also adjusts your clock gradually so it won't immediately jump to
the 
correct time. This is to prevent problems with services (like cron
and 
logging) that depend on a clock that doesn't suddenly change.

Sent 
from my iPhone




On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Alex Dean  
wrote:

> Try tailing /var/log/messages (you said this was fedora, 
right?)
> when you start up the ntp daemon.  It can take a while 
(>1 minute
> sometimes) for the time servers to synchronize, but 
you should see
> some log activity during that time to show you that 
it's working.
>
> alex


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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I ran the following:ntpdate -v -d dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us ntp.drydog.comand it looked for and found both hosts but then just sits there withno other output.--Steve-Original Message-
From: Eric Cope 
Sent: Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

You can force an update, instead of waiting on the incremental changes. But, as noted below, it may affect services.EricOn Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Jon M. Hanson <j...@the-hansons-az.net> wrote:

ntp also adjusts your clock gradually so it won't immediately jump to
the correct time. This is to prevent problems with services (like cron
and logging) that depend on a clock that doesn't suddenly change.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Alex Dean <a...@crackpot.org> wrote:

> Try tailing /var/log/messages (you said this was fedora, right?)
> when you start up the ntp daemon.  It can take a while (>1 minute
> sometimes) for the time servers to synchronize, but you should see
> some log activity during that time to show you that it's working.
>
> alex
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>
>> Hmm, so I did the following:
>>
>> # iptables -A input_ext -p tcp -m tcp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT
>>
>> and then tried starting ntp services again but it still seems to hang
>> when trying to get the initial date and time. So adding a rule to the
>> firewall for tcp access on port 123 seems to have made no difference
>> to my problem.
>>
>> nuts...
>> --
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: "kitepi...@kitepilot.com" <kitepi...@kitepilot.com>
>>> Sent: Aug 25, 2009 2:13 PM
>>> To: "Steven A. DuChene" <linux-clust...@mindspring.com>, Main PLUG
>>> discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>>> Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>>>
>>> From /etc/services
>>>
>>> ntp             123/tcp
>>> ntp             123/udp                         # Network Time
>>> Protocol
>>>
>>> I would use "ntp" instead of "udp", and if it doesn't work, take a
>>> dump...
>>> :)
>>> ET
>>>
>>
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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

No, my external firewall system is a SuSE-10.1 system.

I tried tailing /var/log/messages while starting the ntp service but
I do not see anything being logged there regarding ntp activity.

There is a ntp file in /var/log but it is zero length and has a access
date on the file from a few months ago. Is there anywhere else where
ntp activity gets logged or a way to turn up the debug level on the ntpd 
process?
--
Steve

-Original Message-
>From: Alex Dean 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 2:33 PM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Cc: "kitepi...@kitepilot.com" 
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>Try tailing /var/log/messages (you said this was fedora, right?) when  
>you start up the ntp daemon.  It can take a while (>1 minute  
>sometimes) for the time servers to synchronize, but you should see  
>some log activity during that time to show you that it's working.
>
>alex
>



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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Hmm, so I did the following:

# iptables -A input_ext -p tcp -m tcp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT

and then tried starting ntp services again but it still seems to hang
when trying to get the initial date and time. So adding a rule to the
firewall for tcp access on port 123 seems to have made no difference
to my problem.

nuts...
--
Steve

-Original Message-
>From: "kitepi...@kitepilot.com" 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 2:13 PM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
> From /etc/services 
>
>ntp 123/tcp
>ntp 123/udp # Network Time Protocol 
>
>I would use "ntp" instead of "udp", and if it doesn't work, take a dump...  
>:)
>ET 
>

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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Hmm, I have added these systems to the ntp.conf file on my external gateway 
system
that serves as a firewall for my network but when I try to start the ntp 
service it sits
there forever trying to get an initial date and time from those systems.

This external system has iptables rules and the ones that have to do with udp 
port 123
are the following:

-A input_ext -p udp -m pkttype --pkt-type broadcast -m udp --dport 123 -j 
ACCEPT 
-A input_ext -p udp -m udp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT 

I am assuming I must have some sort of firewall issue blocking the acquisition 
of
the date and time from the external servers but it would seem like the above 
rules
that were already present in my firewall setup would have made that a non-issue.

Anyone got any ideas or suggestions about this?

-Original Message-
>From: Eric Shubert 
>Sent: Aug 25, 2009 10:54 AM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?
>
>Steven A. DuChene wrote:
>> I have a few systems here in my home that are either fedora or opensuse 
>> installs.
>> I was setting up ganglia last night to add some monitoring to my home setup
>> and discovered I had some issues with clock skew. When I got to looking I 
>> noticed
>> that the timezones were set to MST and most of the systems were off by about
>> a hour. What is the correct way to setup the timezone correctly for systems 
>> located
>> here in Phoenix where daylight savings time changes do not take place?
>> 
>> Also if you have a small home network what methods do everyone usually use
>> to keep clocks in sync across the network? I.E. if you use NTP what 
>> externally
>> reliable NTP server do you use?
>> --
>> Steven DuChene
>> 
>> 
>
>I pick a host on my lan (VMware server or IPCop) to be my ntp server, 
>then use a near-by ntp servers to sync with. Your lan's dhcp server 
>(IPCop) can then hand out your lan's ntp server address to your dhcp 
>clients.
>
>server dewey.lib.ci.phoenix.az.us
>server ntp.drydog.com
>are both in the vicinity, and I haven't had any problem with either of 
>them in the many years I've used them.
>
>-- 
>-Eric 'shubes'
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correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have a few systems here in my home that are either fedora or opensuse 
installs.
I was setting up ganglia last night to add some monitoring to my home setup
and discovered I had some issues with clock skew. When I got to looking I 
noticed
that the timezones were set to MST and most of the systems were off by about
a hour. What is the correct way to setup the timezone correctly for systems 
located
here in Phoenix where daylight savings time changes do not take place?

Also if you have a small home network what methods do everyone usually use
to keep clocks in sync across the network? I.E. if you use NTP what externally
reliable NTP server do you use?
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Re: hp scanjet 3400c

[Steven A. DuChene]

I have a 3400C scanner and it works just fine with current versions of sane
as packaged with Fedora9 and other Linux distributions.
(sane is the scanning software for most if not all Linux desktop distros)

-Original Message-
>From: betty 
>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 5:33 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: hp scanjet 3400c
>
>What is a good site to check if this scanner will work with my Ubuntu 
>Hardy Heron desktop? My daughter has it as an extra that she doesn't 
>need and if it would work w/my computer I would take it off her hands.
>
>I have a lot of old family pictures i really should scan to save from 
>the '30s -80's. If this one wouldn't work well; does anyone know of a 
>scanner they can recommend for this distro? I have had good luck w/hp 
>printers but can never get scanners to work well even with the evil 
>empire computers.
>
>thanks for any ideas
>
>-- 
>betty i.
>www.webcanine.com
>information for people 
>who care for dogs.
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Re: mysql_connect won't when run from web server

[Steven A. DuChene]

ARGH!

OK, I did the following:

setsebool -P httpd_can_network_connect_db=1
setsebool -P httpd_can_network_connect=1

on the Fedora9 apache server box and now it works.

Thanks all. Why this has to be off by default or not well known that
it needs to be altered from it's default state is beyond me.

-Original Message-
>From: Joe 
>Sent: May 25, 2009 12:10 AM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: Re: mysql_connect won't when run from web server
>
>Is selinux enabled? If I remember correctly there is an option that 
>blocks the web server from DB connects unless you enable the rule.
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Re: mysql_connect won't when run from web server

[Steven A. DuChene]

As I said, on the Apache server I can run the php script just fine and
it connects to the remote mysql server just fine. Both servers are here
on my local internal network and there is no firewall between them.

So to be clear on the Apache system I can run the php mysql connect script
just fine like so:

Apache$ php ./mysql_php_dbconnectscript.php

and it works fine. I really believe this eliminates any port or firewall
or ping or FQDN or localhost issues between the two boxes. 

-Original Message-
>From: Mike Butash 
>Sent: May 24, 2009 10:03 PM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Cc: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Subject: Re: mysql_connect won't when run from web server
>
>Is your hostname "mysql" valid, just "ping mysql" and see if you get a
>response.  Try to connect to "localhost" as well and see if it works.
>Most default installs will listen only on 127.0.0.1, not the live IP
>most distro's bind to the hostname from the network, like 10.x.x.x.
>Assure the hostname is valid in your connect string.
>
>Check that the sql daemon is listening on the right port/address.  Try
>'netstat -a | egrep "mysql|3306"' without the single quote, see if the
>daemon is listening, and on what address - should look like this:
>
>m...@thrawn:/media/ext0/opt$ netstat -a | grep mysql
>tcp0  0 *:mysql *:* LISTEN 
>
>.. if not, rather like this:
>
>m...@thrawn:/media/ext0/opt$ netstat -a | grep ssh
>tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:ssh   *:* LISTEN 
>
>.. then you might need to tweak the my.cnf to remove the bind addr from
>binding only to localhost.  Comment it out as such, and it should show
>as listening on all ports:
>
>#bind-address = 127.0.0.1
>
>If you can telnet to port 3306 from both localhost or the real IP
>(telnet localhost 3306), check sql logs for auth errors.  I'm most pgsql
>than my, but I think this is the tree you'll want to bark up, namely the
>binding and socket access.  
>
>Caveat Emptor - This opens general network access to that sql port short
>of a firewall, so make sure you secure it adequately.  Best bet is to
>set your php connection string to connect to localhost, and keep the sql
>daemon only bound to localhost.  So long as you're not needing any
>remote connections, that is.
>
>-mb
>
>
>On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 20:36 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>> Hi Steven,
>> 
>> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Steven A. DuChene
>>  wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> I have a php to mysql database connection script that I am
>> having a problem with.
>> I have two systems. One is running apache and also happens to
>> be my desktop system.
>> Call this one system Apache. The other system is running mysql
>> and let's call this
>> one Mysql.
>> 
>> the connection script is very simple:
>> 
>>>$dbhost = "Mysql";
>>$dbuser = "someuser";
>>$dbpass = "NOTREAL";
>> 
>>$conn = mysql_connect($dbhost, $dbuser, $dbpass) or
>> die("Error connecting to mysql");
>> 
>>if ($conn) {
>>echo "CONNECT OK";
>>}
>> 
>>$dbname = "tmp";
>>mysql_select_db($dbname);
>>?>
>> 
>> 
>> If I run this script from the command line on the Apache
>> system like so:
>> 
>> $ php testmysqlconnect_script.php
>> 
>> and it works fine. However if I run the script from the web
>> browser open on the
>> Apache desktop and point it at
>> http://localhost/~meuser/testmysqlconnect_script.php
>> I get a connection error. Just to confirm I have also used the
>> following mysql
>> command from the command line on the Apache system and it
>> works fine as well:
>> 
>> mysql --host=Mysql -u someuser -p tmp
>> 
>> and entered the exact same user name as is in my script and I
>> am able to connect
>> just fine. I have tried looking at the output from php_info()
>> on the Apache web
>> server and it looks normal but I could be missing something.
>> 
>> Anyone have any ideas of what I might be over looking???
>> 
>> 1) What is apache saying about this?  Tail the

Re: mysql_connect won't when run from web server

[Steven A. DuChene]

But if that was the problem then the command line invocation on the Apache
server should not work. I.E. if it was a port or firewall issue.

>
>> Can't connect to MySQL server on 'Mysql' (13) 
>> in /home/minime/public_html/testmysqlconnect_script.php on line 6 
>
>Are you running in safe mode?  Is Mysql's mysqld listening on port 3306?  Is 
>there any firewall in the way on that port?
>

BTW not that I really think it makes any difference but the Apache system
is running Fedora9 while the Mysql system is a OpenSuSE-10.1 system.
Both are running the standard distribution rpm packages for the various
bits&pieces (apache, mysql, php, and etc).




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Re: mysql_connect won't when run from web server

[Steven A. DuChene]

Also I am getting nothing in my mysql.log file but I do get the following
in my apache error_log:

[Sun May 24 15:43:52 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Warning:  
mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: 
Can't connect to MySQL server on 'Mysql' (13) in 
/home/minime/public_html/testmysqlconnect_script.php on line 6

-Original Message-
>From: "Steven A. DuChene" 
>Sent: May 24, 2009 3:53 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>Subject: mysql_connect won't when run from web server
>
>Hello all:
>I have a php to mysql database connection script that I am having a problem 
>with.
>I have two systems. One is running apache and also happens to be my desktop 
>system.
>Call this one system Apache. The other system is running mysql and let's call 
>this
>one Mysql.
>
>the connection script is very simple:
>
>$dbhost = "Mysql";
>$dbuser = "someuser";
>$dbpass = "NOTREAL";
>
>$conn = mysql_connect($dbhost, $dbuser, $dbpass) or die("Error connecting 
> to mysql");
>
>if ($conn) {
>echo "CONNECT OK";
>}
>
>$dbname = "tmp";
>mysql_select_db($dbname);
>?>
>
>
>If I run this script from the command line on the Apache system like so:
>
>$ php testmysqlconnect_script.php
>
>and it works fine. However if I run the script from the web browser open on the
>Apache desktop and point it at 
>http://localhost/~meuser/testmysqlconnect_script.php
>I get a connection error. Just to confirm I have also used the following mysql
>command from the command line on the Apache system and it works fine as well:
>
>mysql --host=Mysql -u someuser -p tmp
>
>and entered the exact same user name as is in my script and I am able to 
>connect
>just fine. I have tried looking at the output from php_info() on the Apache web
>server and it looks normal but I could be missing something.
>
>Anyone have any ideas of what I might be over looking???
>--
>Steve DuChene
>
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mysql_connect won't when run from web server

[Steven A. DuChene]

Hello all:
I have a php to mysql database connection script that I am having a problem 
with.
I have two systems. One is running apache and also happens to be my desktop 
system.
Call this one system Apache. The other system is running mysql and let's call 
this
one Mysql.

the connection script is very simple:




If I run this script from the command line on the Apache system like so:

$ php testmysqlconnect_script.php

and it works fine. However if I run the script from the web browser open on the
Apache desktop and point it at 
http://localhost/~meuser/testmysqlconnect_script.php
I get a connection error. Just to confirm I have also used the following mysql
command from the command line on the Apache system and it works fine as well:

mysql --host=Mysql -u someuser -p tmp

and entered the exact same user name as is in my script and I am able to connect
just fine. I have tried looking at the output from php_info() on the Apache web
server and it looks normal but I could be missing something.

Anyone have any ideas of what I might be over looking???
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Re: how to sanitize MS Word HTML output?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Thanks for all of the links and info. If I run into this again I will
know what to do.

Until then I did find a Firefox extension called UnMHT that did a pretty
damn good job at rendering the original file from the MCC website.

-Original Message-
>From: Joseph Sinclair 
>Sent: May 4, 2009 4:44 PM
>To: Main PLUG discussion list 
>Subject: Re: how to sanitize MS Word HTML output?
>
>Default save-as for many Outlook (full) installations is MHT, which is an 
>MS-specific MIME archive format, sort of.
>Usually, you can run the extracted source through a mime decoder to get a 
>message-plus-attachments output, and then pull the HTML doc from there.
>Once you have "clean" MSHTML (it's not HTML, it's a MS-specific XML format 
>that just looks close enough to HTML that browsers can figure it out in quirks 
>mode), then you can usually pass it through one of several "cleaner" apps 
>available.  All work to some extent, but none are perfect...  Tidy is probably 
>the most complete, but it can be a bit of a pain to get all the options to 
>what you want.
>
>Links:
>  Using HTML tidy from [http://tidy.sourceforge.net/] with the "word-2000" 
> configuration option set to "yes" will go to great lengths to remove
>  MS-Word garbage while doing all of it's other nifty cleanups of the HTML.
>Other options:
>  Quick cleaner written in C# (Requires Mono) 
> [http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000485.html]
>  Javascript-based cleaner 
> [http://ethilien.net/websoft/wordcleaner/cleaner.htm]
>  Service to clean docs, may store and retain documents, so don't use for 
> anything you care about [http://www.wordhtmlcleaner.co.uk/]
>  Another service, only for small documents [http://textism.com/wordcleaner/]
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Re: how to sanitize MS Word HTML output?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Well somehow some brain-dead web designer at MCC has managed to put
a Mime encoded syllabus online for their students. The actual file
I downloaded had a *.mht file extension and contained in that was
various bits of Mime encoded crap. One section was even base64
stuff. The bit I was able to extract from another Mime encoded bit
was the actual HTML. I am guessing this stuff is all part of that
wonderful bit of MS web publishing technology crap known as
Sharepoint or other similar MS embrace&extend wonderfulness.

-Original Message-
From: Lisa Kachold
Sent: May 4, 2009 3:29 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: how to sanitize MS Word HTML output?

You can try this Toaster SPAM decoder (it will readily tell you if it's 
decodable as Decode quoted-printable encoded text):

http://www.toastedspam.com/decodeqp

It should be noted that quoted-printable encoded text is generally associated 
with EMAIL, not Word?



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Re: how to sanitize MS Word HTML output?

[Steven A. DuChene]

But I don't own Dreamweaver and I see from checking the Adobe
site for Dreamweaver it only runs on MS WinBlows and MaOSuX.
I am really looking for a solution that will work on Linux!  :-)

There must be some set of scripts somewhere that will do this.
I cannot POSSIBLY be the first person who has run into this and
wants to clean up text or html output from MS Office.

I tried searching through google and freshmeat but I must not
be putting in the right search terms.

-Original Message-
>From: Stephen 
>Sent: May 4, 2009 10:50 AM
>To: "Steven A. DuChene" , Main PLUG discussion 
>list 
>Subject: Re: how to sanitize MS Word HTML output?
>
>I know dremweaver had a fucntion to "clean up Word HTML"
>
>not sure about a free one... id have to google this one myself.
>
>On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Steven A. DuChene
> wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> My wife has a class sylibus file from one of her profs at MCC and the file
>> is "supposed" to be html but it is that awful sort-of-html crap from
>> MS-Office. It is filled with a lot of un-needed style and formating tags
>> as well as all kinds of stupid extra characters due to some MS "standard"
>> character formatting stuff. Things like braking lines in the middle of
>> words and then adding an equal sign at the end of the broken line or
>> replacing equal signs in the html code with "=3D'
>>
>> Does anyone know of a tool that will clean this crappy excuse for html
>> code up into something more standard? Or failing that just some tool
>> or script that will fix the weird character formating stuff with the
>> extra equal signs or "=3D" problems???
>> --
>> Steve DuChene
>>
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>
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>rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>
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how to sanitize MS Word HTML output?

[Steven A. DuChene]

Hello all:
My wife has a class sylibus file from one of her profs at MCC and the file
is "supposed" to be html but it is that awful sort-of-html crap from
MS-Office. It is filled with a lot of un-needed style and formating tags
as well as all kinds of stupid extra characters due to some MS "standard"
character formatting stuff. Things like braking lines in the middle of
words and then adding an equal sign at the end of the broken line or
replacing equal signs in the html code with "=3D' 

Does anyone know of a tool that will clean this crappy excuse for html
code up into something more standard? Or failing that just some tool
or script that will fix the weird character formating stuff with the
extra equal signs or "=3D" problems???
--
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