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At last Junior and I can find common ground again: I wasn't kidding about Elastica, Bill. As derivative as they were, I thought they were terrific. Truly But you did sort of imply that they were a prefab, manager-created band, Junior, which they weren't really. I had a great music week in 96, or whenever it was they toured, when I saw them on a Thursday night in the Union ballroom here at the University of Kansas, then two nights later in Pittsburgh while I was at a conference there. In Kansas they ended up with the whole crowd up on stage dancing with them for the last number (that big hit of theirs, what was it called...); then in Pittsburgh they absolutely tore it up in a weird futuristic looking club that looked like something out of a Terminator movie I saw them in Minneapolis, and they were a little bit disappointing--kind of shell-shocked, it seemed, and short enough on material that they did one song twice, something I hadn't seen a band do since about 1981, when I saw British post-ironists ABC perform fourteen songs, three of which were "The Look of Love." But Elastica's lone full-length record was perfectly swell. Derivative, yes, but derivative of stuff that was well worth imitating. That Justine whats-her-name, yow!! Now there's a rock n' roll woman g Too bad they disappeared. That would be Justine Frischmann, the finest Jewish (not Hungarian, btw, Bill; her father was a Hungarian refugee who moved to England in the '40s, I think, and is a noted architect and professor) rock diva since Susanna Hoffs. g The band were plagued with endless lineup problems, and though they did eventually write enough songs for a second album, it has yet to see the light of day. In fact, references to the next Elastica record are sort of a running joke in some of the British music press. --Amy
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Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 10-Apr-99 Re: Japanese hipsterism by Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] and though they did eventually write enough songs for a second album, it has yet to see the light of day. In fact, references to the next Elastica record are sort of a running joke in some of the British music press. Allegedly the album comes out in June. Or July. No word on if they're going to share any publishing with Newman/Lewis/Gilbert/Gotobed on this one. Carl Z.
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Quite possible; a Charles Osgood segment on Japanese bluegrass aired on 2/15, but no one on bgrass-l knowledgeable enough to identify the groups involved seems to have been awake to catch it g. Thanks for checking Jon...I did a little checking myself on the CBS Sunday Morning site to see if they had the story on archive, but so far have come up empty handed... Ahhh, I recall the days when I'd be able to miss Charles (squared) with no problem, but two small faces asking daddy if he'd like to wake up and play has all but extinguished that memory... g sigh morgan
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Oh yeah, not to mention Cibo Matto and other fundamental acts of the 90s Grumpy cause there's probably a tornado starting up outside my building. We seem to be starting up early this year!! --junior
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Hey there, Oh yeah, not to mention Cibo Matto and other fundamental acts of the 90s Just for the record, Cibo Matto kick butt and I've never met a Japanese Band I didnt like. And I know Cibo Matto are from NYC but you get my point. Bring on The Boredoms, bring on the 5, 6, 7, 8's bring on The Zoobombs, bring on Shonen Knife. Later... CK ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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Just for the record, Cibo Matto kick butt and I've never met a Japanese Band I didnt like. And I know Cibo Matto are from NYC but you get my point. Bring on The Boredoms, bring on the 5, 6, 7, 8's bring on The Zoobombs, bring on Shonen Knife. Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue of being on a major label, might win this pony race. Suddenly I am struck by the 1960's Japanese bluegrass band featured in the documentary High Lonesome. Funny. Cool. Funny cool. NW np - Luaka Bop sampler. Jim White rules.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue of being on a major label, might win this pony race. How about Roudness, I mean Loudness? Tom Smith
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NW wrote: Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue of being on a major label, might win this pony race. Whoa, let's not forget about the 80's Japanese metal band Loudness. derek
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Hip as they come Chris wrote: Just for the record, Cibo Matto kick butt and I've never met a Japanese Band I didnt like. And I know Cibo Matto are from NYC but you get my point. Bring on The Boredoms, bring on the 5, 6, 7, 8's bring on The Zoobombs, bring on Shonen Knife. Oh come on, Shonen Knife is miserable. I'm an open-minded sort of fellow, but they're just friggin' terrible. I mean, if you like them as kitsch, that's one thing, butyeesh. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
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NW wrote: Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue of being on a major label, might win this pony race. Well, I'll tell you who the most popular Japanese artist in US history *should* be?Guitar WolfHaven't heard a peep from them in ages. Are they even still together? marie
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CK said... bring on Shonen Knife. I said: Preach on! morgan
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Heh, it's good to agree with Dave on *some* things. I've listened to Shonen Knife and seen a couple of these bands live (Cibo Matto and Pizzicatto 5 or whatever their name was) and I'll tell you, truly, I came away with my butt completely intact Cibo Matto was "cute," I guess (the chicken suit was funny, etc.), and Sean Lennon gives them cachet, but a good band? I dunno, I just can't see it. You been smokin' that devil weed in Nashville, CK??? g And it seems to be that Shonen Knife has probably had more success in the US than any other Japanese band. They had a bunch of albums out here and some hipster cred for awhile, no? --junior
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Dave "not a fan of Shonen Knife" Purcell Oh come on, Shonen Knife is miserable. I'm an open-minded sort of fellow, but they're just friggin' terrible. I mean, if you like them as kitsch, that's one thing, butyeesh. Morgan "goading Dave on" Keating Now Dave, where's your sense of fun? g Morgan
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Neal Weiss writes: Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue of being on a major label, might win this pony race. Well, Pink Lady actually had a bona-fide top 40 hit circa 1979 with "Kiss Me In the Dark" (I think that was the name of it). They somehow managed to land a short-lived variety series called "Pink Lady and Jeff" (Jeff Altman spoke English. They didn't.) that was absolutely mind-numbing in its banality, even by the lofty standards of the day. I think I only watched it once; to catch an appearance by Alice Cooper (who showed the video for his foray into new wave, "Clones"). Other than that, yeah, Loudness comes to mind. They put out about three or four records on Atco in the '80s. Shonen Knife was on Capitol for a while. There was a terrific Japanese girl-punk band called Supersnazz on Sub Pop at one point, but they didn't sell too well and I don't think the album is even in print anymore. Too bad. I could never figure out why they didn't tap into a bigger audience. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
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Guitar Wolf? I'm afraid I missed this act...but am interested... We played with this metal act once from Japan, but I can't remember the name to save my life... They came out right around the same time as Loudness give or take a year... They had the double kick, tremendously cool big hair, loaded with Ibenez gee-tars! I'll have to take a poke at the old grey matter to get at this one...or perhaps I'll just let it stay right where it is. g> morgan At 02:06 PM 4/8/99 -0500, you wrote: NW wrote: >Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US >history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue >of being on a major label, might win this pony race. Well, I'll tell you who the most popular Japanese artist in US history *should* be?Guitar WolfHaven't heard a peep from them in ages. Are they even still together? marie
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On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:40:15 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue of being on a major label, might win this pony race. The only two names I can think of off the top of my head are Tokisho Akiyoshi and Sadao Watanabe. Is Segi Ozawa (spelling is atrociously wrong I'm sure), conductor of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, a native of Japan? ~Greg ___ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/
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Marie's right, Guitar Wolf was actually really good. I forgot about them... --junior
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And it seems to be that Shonen Knife has probably had more success in the US than any other Japanese band. They had a bunch of albums out here and some hipster cred for awhile, no? --junior Yeah, it would be safe to say they were the most successful Japanese act stateside, or at least one of the most successful... They were definitely in with the orthopedic shoe set for some time... g I remember they had these really cool buttons... Very "Powerpuff Girls"... morgan
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Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I don't know what things are like in the UK now, but I remember percussionist Stomu Yamashita and that composer who played the camp commandant in "Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence" being far more popular in Britain than any Japanese acts have ever been here in the US. (probably showin' my age) Tom Smith
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Seiji (sp? I think...) Ozawa is, I believe, a Japanese native. He gets as much work in Europe and worldwide as he does in the US, in fact, and qualifies as one of the most successful conductors of the last 20 years or so Not necessarily for classical (see? I'm fine with the term g) aficianados with highly particularlized tastes, but in terms of overall visibility and record contracts, record sales, and so on. --junior
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Morgan: Yeah, it would be safe to say they were the most successful Japanese act stateside, or at least one of the most successful... They were definitely in with the orthopedic shoe set for some time... g I remember they had these really cool buttons... Very "Powerpuff Girls"... Actually the look was fine, I kinda dug it. Always wished the Muffs dressed more like that! The music, alas, was the issue with me g. --junior
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At 2:40 PM -0400 4/8/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue of being on a major label, might win this pony race. What about Yoko Ono? Ross Whitwam[EMAIL PROTECTED] Molecular Pharmacology Therapeutics Program Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, NYC
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Morgan Keating writes: We played with this metal act once from Japan, but I can't remember the name to save my life... They came out right around the same time as Loudness give or take a year... Vow Wow or E-Z-O? They were the other two big Japanese metal bands around that time who had contracts in the US. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
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M Shonen Knife is miserable. The Japanese equivalent of The Shaggs? Iceman
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Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 8-Apr-99 Re: Japanese hipsterism by Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about Yoko Ono? Or Ryuichi Sakamoto Yellow Magic Orchestra. Carl Z.
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What about Yoko Ono? Ross Whitwam[EMAIL PROTECTED] Molecular Pharmacology Therapeutics Program Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, NYC Very true... Morgan
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Actually the look was fine, I kinda dug it. Always wished the Muffs dressed more like that! The music, alas, was the issue with me g. as it should be... g morgan
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Vow Wow or E-Z-O? They were the other two big Japanese metal bands around that time who had contracts in the US. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts YES!!! E-Z-O! Thank you sir...'cause as much as I was trying to pull it from me ol' noggin', it wasn't budgin'... morgan
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Now Iceman, come on "My Pal Foote Foote"? A "gem" by any standard... *wink wink nudge nudge* Morgan At 12:32 PM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: M Shonen Knife is miserable. The Japanese equivalent of The Shaggs? Iceman
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The most unpopular artist, but certainly the most famous, would have to be Yoko Ono. There's a good list of famous Japanese at this URL: http://www.kyoto-su.ac.jp/information/famous/nns.html np: Sukiyaki
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Never heard of Petty Booka? Good? At 03:57 PM 4/8/99 -0400, you wrote: Petty Booka! -Original Message- From: Carl Abraham Zimring [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: passenger side [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Japanese hipsterism Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 8-Apr-99 Re: Japanese hipsterism by Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about Yoko Ono? Or Ryuichi Sakamoto Yellow Magic Orchestra. Carl Z.
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morgan:Guitar Wolf? I'm afraid I missed this act...but am interested... Weplayed with this metal act once from Japan, but I can't remember the nameto save my life... They came out right around the same time as Loudnessgive or take a year... They had the double kick, tremendously cool bighair, loaded with Ibenez gee-tars! I'll have to take a poke at the oldgrey matter to get at this one...or perhaps I'll just let it stay rightwhere it is. Not the same band. Guitar Wolf are a garage punk trio. They wear all leather and have cool DAs. It's evident that these guys listened to the Ramones - a lot. They also have really bad attitudes. They won me over immediately. g I saw them open up for the Cramps in late '97. Haven't heard much from them since. Here's their website: http://www.escape.com/~ywa/extra/guitar.html It hasn't been updated in a while. marie
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I'd have to go with Ross and Yoko Ono as most popular, but I'll tell you what, Shoji Tabuchi has got to be right up there in the top 5. The Japanese bluegrass band that makes a brief appearance in High Lonesome was Train 45; they did two tours of the US before breaking up. I believe their mandolin player at the time was Shin Akimoto, who spends a fair amount of time in the US, as does Saburo Watanabe, who, last time I looked, was Secretary of the IBMA. There's also Kazuhiro Inaba, who's put out at least one US release, Kaz Inaba and Friends; Don Rigsby, who's recorded with him, calls him "awesome." There's also a family bluegrass band fronted by a couple or three sisters that's toured here once or twice, and showcased at the IBMA's trade show a couple of years ago. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
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Guitar Wolf are a garage punk trio. They wear all leather and have cool DAs. It's evident that these guys listened to the Ramones - a lot. They also have really bad attitudes. They won me over immediately. g> I saw them open up for the Cramps in late '97. Haven't heard much from them since. Here's their website: http://www.escape.com/~ywa/extra/guitar.html It hasn't been updated in a while. marie Many thanks love...I'll check it out. morgan
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There's also a family bluegrass band fronted by a couple or three sisters that's toured here once or twice, and showcased at the IBMA's trade show a couple of years ago. I believe this may be the same family that they did a segment about on CBS Sunday Morning, say about 3 or 4 months ago? They really were quite good... Morgan
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Good lord! That's the *last* time I mention any Japanese bands on this list.g--don
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that'll learn ya'. g morgan At 01:17 PM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote: Good lord! That's the *last* time I mention any Japanese bands on this list.g--don
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Hey there, Neal, closer to Japan than I am... Got me thinking, anyone know who the most popular Japanese artist in US history might be? I can't think of anyone beyond Cibo Matto, who, by virtue of being on a major label, might win this pony race. Well, Pink Lady did have their own TV show in the late 70's. (Picture the Donny and Marie show about 12 times worse and two episodes long). Heh. And like I said before, I think Cibo Matto are officially american citizens. But if we are talking about music outside of pop and rock - I would assume a classical or jazz artist must've come out of Japan and wow'ed the USA. I thought of Yo Yo Ma and Toshiko Akiyoshi - but they're Chinese. So anyone else? Later... CK ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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Hey there, Dave... Oh come on, Shonen Knife is miserable. I'm an open-minded sort of fellow, but they're just friggin' terrible. I mean, if you like them as kitsch, that's one thing, butyeesh. Junior... Heh, it's good to agree with Dave on *some* things. I've listened to Shonen Knife and seen a couple of these bands live (Cibo Matto and Pizzicatto 5 or whatever their name was) and I'll tell you, truly, I came away with my butt completely intact The Iceman... Shonen Knife is miserable. The Japanese equivalent of The Shaggs? Oh come one, Shonen Knife aren't stellar players, especially on their early stuff, but The Shaggs couldn't find down beat with a map. Shonen Knife play HAPPY FUN music and are damn endearing. And they have some FANTASIC pop songs, even if they stumble every once in a while - like all of Let's Knife. Aaaand they put on a great live show. I swear. Shonen Knife loves you. And Junior, since all you like is RockaBilly stuff these days g check out any of the Hodge Podge and Barrage comps. Japanese bands tearing up and deconstructing RockaBilly, Sun - era rock, etc. Um, and Pizzicato 5 are the exception that proves the rule. Later... CK not changing anyone's mind, but posting anyway ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
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There's also a family bluegrass band fronted by a couple or three sisters that's toured here once or twice, and showcased at the IBMA's trade show a couple of years ago. I believe this may be the same family that they did a segment about on CBS Sunday Morning, say about 3 or 4 months ago? Quite possible; a Charles Osgood segment on Japanese bluegrass aired on 2/15, but no one on bgrass-l knowledgeable enough to identify the groups involved seems to have been awake to catch it g. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
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Gnip Gnop Knaus: Oh come one, Shonen Knife aren't stellar players, especially on their early stuff, but The Shaggs couldn't find down beat with a map. Shonen Knife play HAPPY FUN music and are damn endearing. And they have some FANTASIC pop songs, even if they stumble every once in a while - like all of Let's Knife. Aaaand they put on a great live show. I swear. I work with a couple of Japanese gals who are just as cute and botch the English language just as badly. I think I'll round them up, pull a Malcolm McLaren, and get them to sing my new hit songs "My Dog Like Vanilla Ice Cream" and "Red Car Go Fast Ha! Ha! Ha!" Ok, that's enough from me. I don't want to be scolded by the Buford Pusser of the list. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
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Years ago, there was a band I played on my college radio show (Humpe Humpe?) that had a GREAT song called "Yama-ha", with a chorus like - "Yamaha, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Suzuki, Sony, Minolta, Kawasaki, Sanyo, Casio, Toshiba" Very catchy, for just parading brandnames. Chris "Red Car Go Fast Ha! Ha! Ha!" Dave Sounds like a Japanese Russ Meyer film.
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Buford said: I work with a couple of Japanese gals who are just as cute and botch the English language just as badly. I think I'll round them up, pull a Malcolm McLaren, and get them to sing my new hit songs "My Dog Like Vanilla Ice Cream" and "Red Car Go Fast Ha! Ha! Ha!" No, you're getting this all confused. That band was *Elastica* and they were really great!!. CK, I never saw Shonen Knife, so you may have a point about there live show. As I say, I've been limited to Cibo Matto and Piz.5 in my knowledge of these pop outfits. But I did like Guitar Wolf and, although I haven't heard them, have always heard there's a good rockabilly subculture going, etc... That's all from me on this subject g, --junior
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Junior quips: Buford said: I work with a couple of Japanese gals who are just as cute and botch the English language just as badly. I think I'll round them up, pull a Malcolm McLaren, and get them to sing my new hit songs "My Dog Like Vanilla Ice Cream" and "Red Car Go Fast Ha! Ha! Ha!" No, you're getting this all confused. That band was *Elastica* and they were really great!!. Grrr. Now, don't be ragging on Elastica, who seem to have played their last gig in the Bermuda triangle.They *were* really great, if as derivative as it could possibly get. Oh, hey, now I see your Japanese analogy. g b.s. n.p. The Wandering Eyes
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I wasn't kidding about Elastica, Bill. As derivative as they were, I thought they were terrific. Truly I had a great music week in 96, or whenever it was they toured, when I saw them on a Thursday night in the Union ballroom here at the University of Kansas, then two nights later in Pittsburgh while I was at a conference there. In Kansas they ended up with the whole crowd up on stage dancing with them for the last number (that big hit of theirs, what was it called...); then in Pittsburgh they absolutely tore it up in a weird futuristic looking club that looked like something out of a Terminator movie That Justine whats-her-name, yow!! Now there's a rock n' roll woman g Too bad they disappeared. --junior
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Ph. Barnard wrote: I wasn't kidding about Elastica, Bill. As derivative as they were, I thought they were terrific. Truly Oops. I had a great music week in 96, or whenever it was they toured, when I saw them on a Thursday night in the Union ballroom here at the University of Kansas, then two nights later in Pittsburgh while I was at a conference there. In Kansas they ended up with the whole crowd up on stage dancing with them for the last number (that big hit of theirs, what was it called...); then in Pittsburgh they absolutely tore it up in a weird futuristic looking club that looked like something out of a Terminator movie Well, I missed 'em in Lawrence, much to my chagrin. I gotta wonder what that club in Pittsburgh was though. We saw Twangburgh at Rosebud, a nice place, but there was an interesting looking scene just next door at (affiliated?) Metropol. Justine under spooky blue disco lights in Pittsburgh. You make me happy as a little girl...g That Justine whats-her-name, yow!! Now there's a rock n' roll woman g Too bad they disappeared. Justine Frischman. Hungarian originally, not that I've paid attention. g She and insufferable twit Damon Albarn (the new Blur record sucks, just BTW, and I've been a fan of sorts in the past) are very publicly no more, so it's really too bad she's single again, eh? The still going on fumes fan site says they've got a single coming out soon, BTW... b.s.
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On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:40:48 +, Ph. Barnard wrote: Seiji (sp? I think...) Ozawa is, I believe, a Japanese native. He gets as much work in Europe and worldwide as he does in the US, in fact, and qualifies as one of the most successful conductors of the last 20 years or so Not necessarily for classical (see? I'm fine with the term g) aficianados with highly particularlized tastes, but in terms of overall visibility and record contracts, record sales, and so on. Back in the days when I was a music student, I took conducting at the University of Washington from Tim Salzman. Ozawa was Salzman's hero, and he would constantly admonish us with "That's not how Seiji would do it." ~Greg ___ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/
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Yes, Bill: the Metropole. That was the name of the club in Pittsburgh where I saw Justine and her pals g. They were something, no doubt about it. If they ever get back out on tour, I'll certainly be there --junior
