PowerMail crashes in WebCore while rebuilding search index

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

With PowerMail open at the time, my whole macOS paniced and I had to force a 
reboot.  Since then, PM crashes with the backtrace below.

Does the backtrace give a hint as to how I might work around this?  It occurs 
when rebuilding the search index.  Perhaps there is an email I could delete to 
stop the crash?  But how to find it…

Thanks,

Sean



Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   com.apple.WebCore  bmalloc::IsoAllocator 
>::allocateSlow(bool) + 72
1   com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::InlineFlowBox::operator new(unsigned 
long) + 129
2   com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderInline::createInlineFlowBox() + 33
3   com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderInline::createAndAppendInlineFlowBox() + 33
4   com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::createInlineBoxForRenderer(WebCore::RenderObject*, bool, bool) + 89
5   com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::createLineBoxes(WebCore::RenderObject*, 
WebCore::LineInfo const&, WebCore::InlineBox*) + 252
6   com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::constructLine(WebCore::BidiRunList&,
 WebCore::LineInfo const&) + 460
7   com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::createLineBoxesFromBidiRuns(unsigned int, 
WebCore::BidiRunList&, WebCore::InlineIterator const&, 
WebCore::LineInfo&, WebCore::VerticalPositionCache&, WebCore::BidiRun*, 
WTF::Vector&) + 51
8   com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutRunsAndFloatsInRange(WebCore::LineLayoutState&, 
WebCore::BidiResolverWithIsolate&, WebCore::InlineIterator const&, WebCore::BidiStatus 
const&, unsigned int) + 5037
9   com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutRunsAndFloats(WebCore::LineLayoutState&, bool) 
+ 1323
10  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutLineBoxes(bool, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit&, WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 1631
11  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlock(bool, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit) + 907
12  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlock::layout() + 68
13  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChild(WebCore::RenderBox&, 
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::MarginInfo&, WebCore::LayoutUnit&, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 808
14  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChildren(bool, WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 854
15  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlock(bool, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit) + 872
16  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlock::layout() + 68
17  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChild(WebCore::RenderBox&, 
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::MarginInfo&, WebCore::LayoutUnit&, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 808
18  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChildren(bool, WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 854
19  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlock(bool, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit) + 872
20  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlock::layout() + 68
21  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChild(WebCore::RenderBox&, 
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::MarginInfo&, WebCore::LayoutUnit&, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 808
22  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChildren(bool, WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 854
23  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlock(bool, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit) + 872
24  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlock::layout() + 68
25  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChild(WebCore::RenderBox&, 
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::MarginInfo&, WebCore::LayoutUnit&, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 808
26  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChildren(bool, WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 854
27  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlock(bool, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit) + 872
28  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlock::layout() + 68
29  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChild(WebCore::RenderBox&, 
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::MarginInfo&, WebCore::LayoutUnit&, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 808
30  com.apple.WebCore  
WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlockChildren(bool, WebCore::LayoutUnit&) + 854
31  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlockFlow::layoutBlock(bool, 
WebCore::LayoutUnit) + 872
32  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderBlock::layout() + 68
33  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::RenderView::layout() + 612
34  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::LayoutContext::layout() + 1100
35  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::Document::implicitClose() + 818
36  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::FrameLoader::checkCompleted() + 379
37  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::FrameLoader::finishedParsing() + 117
38  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::Document::finishedParsing() + 289
39  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::HTMLConstructionSite::finishedParsing() 
+ 19
40  com.apple.WebCore  WebCore::HTMLTreeBuilder::finished() + 26
41  com.ap

Re: Archiving Emails

[Sean McBride]

PowerMail itself can export to a few formats, I just periodically export to 
Mail.app when my database gets too full.

On Apr 16, 2014, at 03:03, Chris wrote:

> Hi all:
> 
> I have an increasingly large database of emails going back over a number of 
> years and mindful of the 2Gb database limit it seems sensible to archive at 
> least some of them.
> 
> Could someone let me know the best way to do this as I believe there are 
> several programs around that claim to do this painlessly.  I think the 
> PowerMail devs produced a database to which messages could be archived and 
> perhaps if anyone still has a copy that might be the simplest way.
> 
> Any suggestions appreciated.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 

Re: invalid helo cmd - bug or what?

[Sean McBride]

I have this error too.  In my case, the server is OS X 10.6 Server, and I'm 
using SSL.

Sean


On Nov 3, 2013, at 16:12, CTM info wrote:

> YES there seems to be a bug in our new networking code for dealing with 
> certain SMTP servers, possibly (but not certainly) having to do with SSL.

No longer able to send email as of PowerMail 6.2

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

As of PM 6.2 I cannot send email.  I get the error "5.5.2 <[fe80::1]>: Helo 
command rejected: invalid ip address".  This is on 10.8.5.  I went back to 6.1 
and it worked again.  This is using my work's SMTP server (for which I could 
get logs).

Can anyone help?

Thanks,

Sean

Re: PM going forward

[Sean McBride]

On Aug 17, 2012, at 03:57, Koen Keevel wrote:

> So what are the future plans from ctmdev?

You guys are all dreaming.  PowerMail is dead.  It's sad but true.

It's still a 32 bit Carbon app after years and years now of Apple telling 
developers they needed to move to Cocoa.  Since PowerMail still hasn't made 
that switch, it's not likely to now.

I appreciate that CTM is keeping it on life support, and still use it at work, 
but a dozen users offering a few pennies isn't going to change anything.

I wouldn't be surprised if OS X 10.9 drops support for 32 bit, and then 
PowerMail won't work. :(

Sean

Re: [ANN] PowerMail 6.1.1b2 available for testing

[Sean McBride]

On Mar 12, 2012, at 13:37, CTM info wrote:

> We are pleased to announce the release of PowerMail 6.1.1b2, available from:

I've noticed one regression: when doing 'show thread' (cmd-opt-t) the window 
that pops up doesn't show the right messages.  I forget if I was in 10.7 or 
10.8, but it reproduced every time.

Sean

Re: Powemail settings for Me.com

[Sean McBride]

On Feb 25, 2012, at 18:48, T.L. Miller wrote:

>> 
>> The only options seem to be 1) start using IMAP (which is not
>> PowerMail's strong suit
> 
> I wonder what it would take for CTMdev to improve?

You could win the lotto and hire CTM.  I think that's about your only hope. :(

redraw issues on 10.7.3

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

Anyone else seeing redrawing issues, especially scrolling tables, when running 
on 10.7.3?

I had been running all the 10.7.3 seeds, and only saw this problem appear in 
the last seed, or maybe 2nd to last...

Sean

Re: Re(5): Fwd: Really need a way to forward HTML messages

[Sean McBride]

On Sep 13, 2011, at 20:28, Winston Weinmann wrote:

> Are there any other differences between Forward and Redirect?

http://email.about.com/cs/usingemail/a/redirect.htm

Re: PowerMail in OS X Lion?

[Sean McBride]

On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:26, Mirko Kranenburg wrote:

> Any insights in the outlook for PowerMail under Lion?

It's been working fine for me in the developer seeds.  But since it's an old 
Carbon app, it doesn't support some of the new features.

10.7 has dropped support for PowerPC apps and 32 bit Intel hardware.  I 
wouldn't be surprised if 10.8 dropped support for 32 bit intel apps, if so, 
10.7 might be the last OS that can still run PowerMail.

Sean

Re: Text wrapping and quoted-printable

[Sean McBride]

On Jun 14, 2011, at 18:45, Ben Kennedy wrote:

>> New release (6.1b3) has fixed this it seems!
> 
> Indeed it is -- woohoo.  Thanks, Jérôme!

Yes, this small change makes a huge difference!  Though I've given up on 
PowerMail at home, this will let me hang on a little longer at work (where the 
2 GB limit is less of a problem).

Sean

Re: Text wrapping and quoted-printable

[Sean McBride]

On Feb 25, 2011, at 15:03, Ben Kennedy wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I'm loath to revive an old and (I thought settled) discussion, but I did
> a search of my saved email and can't seem to find the particulars.
> 
> What was the final word on the state of PowerMail's handling of text-
> wrapping in outbound messages?

This bug annoys me as well. No doubt it will never be fixed. :(

> I routinely get hell from my colleagues using Mail.app when I try to
> send them URLs that get broken across line breaks.  Mail.app does not
> respect the angle-bracket convention, so it only sees the first part of
> the URL.

More chance of Apple fixing this.  Is it just a convention or it is actually in 
an RFC or something?

Sean

Re: [ANN] PowerMail 6.0.6b2 for testing

[Sean McBride]

The final 6.0.6 did exactly that to me too.

On Dec 16, 2010, at 10:12, Peter Lovell wrote:

> the 6.0.6b2 update died when it started ("Install and relaunch"). It
> said my PMkey file was invalid.
> 
> I started again and it seems to be OK.

Re: 2 GB limit

[Sean McBride]

Paul Schneider (powerm...@speedware.at) on 2010-11-05 18:11 said:

>Thank you John, good to know that I'm not the only one. In case CTM
>keeps ignoring my question about the limit, I'm afraid that I have to
>drop PM too.

Which email client are you all switching to?  I'm not sure which to choose

Sean

Re: Bug with international letters eg. ISO-8859-1

[Sean McBride]

PowerMail Engineering (jer...@ctmdev.com) on 2010-05-10 05:47 said:

>>Here in Denmark, we now have the possibility to make international
>>domaines now, with special scandinavian letters like 'æøå' (ae oe aa) ..
>>
>>But it seems that PowerMail 6.0.4 is not capable of handling this?
>
>PowerMail does not currently support international domain names or email
>addresses.

Will it support them in the near term?  long term?  ever?

If not, it's really a nail in the coffin.  An email client that can't
send email to everyone is not a good thing, analogous to a web browser
that doesn't work with all websites.

PS: 6.0.5b1 is working well for me.

Sean

Re: Anyone at home?

[Sean McBride]

Beatrix Willius (bwill...@gmx.de) on 2010-03-13 07:11 said:

>Is anyone at home at this list?
>
>Support isn't working, submitting a bug doesn't get a result. Sending a
>message to the list takes weeks to get even an error message.

Duh.  PowerMail is dead. :(

Sean

Re: Time for an update!

[Sean McBride]

Tobias Jung (new...@tobiasjung.net) on 2010-01-22 06:37 said:

>>> 1. Larger than 2GB archive sizes (I have two suggestions: a) a way to
>>> create folders that use separate DBs, and/or a DB per email account
>> 
>> That's my #1 request as well.
>> 
>> I have one email account, and PowerMail's 2GB limit combined with its
>> monolithic database is a crippling restriction. Having separate
>> databases for each folder is what Apple Mail does. I wish PowerMail
>> would do this.
>
>Don't get my wrong – I don't want to critisize or anything, I'm really
>just curios:
>How many messages do you get?
>(And I'm talking of messages that you keep so spam doesn't count.)

I have hundreds of thousands of messages, spaning many years, and I'd
like to keep them all, and search easily at any time.  In an age when my
_phone_ has 16 GB of memory, why should my email be limited to 2 GB? 
It's just silly.

Sean

Letters.app - idea for new power user Mac email client

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

There is a Mac developer named Brent Simmons that, on his blog, tossed
out the idea about creating a new power user Mac email client:



Looks like there are a bunch of people that think it would be a good idea.

He's created a mailing list too:



Could be interesting

Sean

Re: PowerMail into the future

[Sean McBride]

A Sanna (asa...@sacofoods.com) on 2009-09-02 4:52 PM said:

>My database goes back a while, as well - 12 years, to
>September 4, 1997.

Wow, you guys are lucky.  You must also not get lots of mail. :) Mine
only goes back to 2006 because of PowerMail's 2 GB database limit.
That's what I'd most like to see changed.

Sean

Re: Powermail on OS X 10.6? - G3 Alert

[Sean McBride]

Ben Kennedy (b...@zygoat.ca) on 2009-08-29 3:36 PM said:

>>$ lipo -info /Applications/PowerMail.app/Contents/MacOS/PowerMail
>
>I'll save Don the trouble and give an answer: lipo reports "ppc7400
>i386" for the new PowerMail build.  Thus, it will apparently run only on
>G4 and G5 PPCs.

And PM 6.0.2 reports "ppc i386".  This makes all the difference, as you say.

If CTM wants to build on 10.6, they really should use gcc 4.0 and the
10.4 SDK for best compatibility with older machines/OSes.

Sean

Re: Powermail on OS X 10.6? - G3 Alert

[Sean McBride]

Don Zahniser (dzahni...@rochester.rr.com) on 2009-08-29 7:20 AM said:

>Just to save a bit of problems for G3 users -
>
>When I downloaded and installed 6.03b1, it immediately crashed on my
>PowerBook G3 (Pismo).  I restored the application from a previous
>download, and am back in business.

If you open Terminal and type:

$ lipo -info /Applications/PowerMail.app/Contents/MacOS/PowerMail

What does it say?

Sean

Re: Powermail on OS X 10.6?

[Sean McBride]

Bill Schjelderup (b...@companioncorp.com) on 2009-08-25 5:21 PM said:

>Has anyone tried Powermail (the latest build) with 10.6?
>
>I expect it will work just fine, but I thought I'd check as Powermail is
>a "must have" application for me.

And now that the NDA is over...

I've been using PM in 10.6 for over a year and had basically no
problems.  The Quick Look thing does crash, as others have said.  The
rest works great.

Sean

Re: Powermail on OS X 10.6?

[Sean McBride]

Bill Schjelderup (b...@companioncorp.com) on 2009-08-25 5:21 PM said:

>Has anyone tried Powermail (the latest build) with 10.6?
>
>I expect it will work just fine, but I thought I'd check as Powermail is
>a "must have" application for me.

Anyone who has 10.6 legally is under NDA and can't discuss anything
about 10.6 until Friday.

Sean

Re: emailing photos from iPhoto 09

[Sean McBride]

Matthias Schmidt (p...@schmidt-system.de) on 2009-03-28 11:04 PM said:

>maybe one could mal the guy, and ask him to to update the script?

The last time iPhoto was updated we all had this problem too.  As I
recall he didn't have the time/interest to update it last time.  He sent
me the source code.  I'll try to dig it up this weekend and update it
for the new iPhoto.

Sean

Re: Mysterious error 268435556

[Sean McBride]

Peter Lovell (plov...@mac.com) on 2009-02-07 2:05 PM said:

>>PowerMail 6.0.1 is giving me this:
>>
>>'Unexpected error on "my.pop.server"
>>Class='NetC',what=1,when=6,err=268435556'
>>
>>Any idea what this means?
>
>Well, it's 0x1064
>
>I'm not sure what that code is for though. I've long been puzzled by
>these Class/what/when errors and found that they are usually a comms
>failure. That's just a guess.

Well, it turns out my POP server was down.  I think the error message
should basically have been "timeout".

--

Sean McBride, B. Eng cwat...@cam.org
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Mysterious error 268435556

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

PowerMail 6.0.1 is giving me this:

'Unexpected error on "my.pop.server"
Class='NetC',what=1,when=6,err=268435556'

Any idea what this means?

Sean

Re: PM Key still won't register 6.0

[Sean McBride]

li...@urbanpeace.net (li...@urbanpeace.net) on 2009-01-19 5:55 PM said:

>I paid for upgrade to 6.0 over two and a half weeks ago, was sent a
>key, it didn't work. i've double-clicked, dragged, etc. the PM Key
>icon. PM just wants to make an attachment out of it. sometime is opens
>up Terminal. sometimes i can open as a text message and see the code,
>but can't do anything with it.

I bet I know what it is Which email client did you receive the PMKey
file with?  It's a text file and some mail clients screw with the line
endings.  Try opening the file with TextWrangler and change the line
endings to Mac.

PM should be able to deal with any line endings, but has had this bug
for years.

Sean

Re: 6.0 Crashing

[Sean McBride]

Alan Harper (l...@alanharper.com) on 2009-01-06 12:12 AM said:

>PM 6 is crashing on me a few times a week. I can't discover any pattern
>to the crashes, but they are usually (> 50%) followed by a 6-minute
>reindexing when I relaunch PM. It makes it difficult to respond quickly
>to emails!
>
>Has anyone else found this?

Maybe once a week for me.

>Any thoughts on how to minimize crashing?

Have you sent the crash logs to CTM?

You might be able to make the crash reproduce by turning on some OS X
debug features.  Open Terminal and paste in the following:

export MallocPreScribble=1
export MallocScribble=1
export MallocGuardEdges=1
export MallocStackLogging=1
open /Applications/PowerMail.app

Sean

Re: PM6 "View Thread" problem (minor)

[Sean McBride]

PowerMail Engineering (jer...@ctmdev.com) on 2009-01-03 6:14 AM said:

>>For me, it's acting as follows:
>> - I select a message with title "foo bar"
>> - I choose 'View Thread'
>> - a new window appears showing messages with "foo" and "bar" in their
>>subject.  Even if not part of the same thread at all.  It also misses
>>some that are part of the thread.
>
>Yes, that is how this feature is implemented (but it searches for
>messages whose subject include the exact phrase "foo bar"). That is not
>perfect, as it will find messages belonging to different threads but
>with the same subject, especially for short subjects like "hello". But
>it should not miss messages of the thread (unless if the subject has
>been changed).

Rebuilding indexes (first 4 checkboxes at option-command launch) fixed
the problem of missing results.

But of course there are still too many results, and results will still
be missing if the subject changes.

I do hope 6.x will use the In-Reply-To header!

Thanks,

Sean

Re: PM6 "View Thread" problem (minor)

[Sean McBride]

Matthias Schmidt (p...@schmidt-system.de) on 2009-01-04 4:32 AM said:

>>>Yes, that is how this feature is implemented (but it searches for
>>>messages whose subject include the exact phrase "foo bar"). That is not
>>>perfect, as it will find messages belonging to different threads but
>>>with the same subject, especially for short subjects like "hello". But
>>>it should not miss messages of the thread (unless if the subject has
>>>been changed).
>>
>>Why did you choose to use the Subject instead of the In-Reply-To,
>>Message-Id, and similar headers?
>
>I'd ask the same question 
>It shouldn't be too difficult to implement this as a fixed search for
>those headers.

I'll add that the way it is done currently makes it not very useful.  My
Cocoa-dev folder has 116000 messages.  Many message subjects are
similar.  Viewing by thread is important precisely in those situations
where you have many many similar messages that you are trying to sort out.

Sean

Re: PM6 "View Thread" problem (minor)

[Sean McBride]

PowerMail Engineering (jer...@ctmdev.com) on 2009-01-03 6:14 AM said:

>>I'm also confused about how this feature is supposed to work.
>>
>>For me, it's acting as follows:
>> - I select a message with title "foo bar"
>> - I choose 'View Thread'
>> - a new window appears showing messages with "foo" and "bar" in their
>>subject.  Even if not part of the same thread at all.  It also misses
>>some that are part of the thread.
>
>Yes, that is how this feature is implemented (but it searches for
>messages whose subject include the exact phrase "foo bar"). That is not
>perfect, as it will find messages belonging to different threads but
>with the same subject, especially for short subjects like "hello". But
>it should not miss messages of the thread (unless if the subject has
>been changed).

Why did you choose to use the Subject instead of the In-Reply-To,
Message-Id, and similar headers?

Are you on Apple's Cocoa list?  Maybe you can repro the exact case that
I can.  See attached screenshot (which I'll send separately since this
list doesn't allow attachments).

Sean

Re: One other wish for PM6

[Sean McBride]

PowerMail Engineering (jer...@ctmdev.com) on 2008-09-01 10:12 AM said:

>>Even when I ask it to tell
>>me more, all I get are cryptic error codes that don't provide any
>>indication (intelligible by me) of what, exactly, went wrong.
>
>If you have a reproducible case of a server error or network error that
>produce a generic error dialog with an error code, please let me know,
>so I can try to reproduce the problem to generate a more adequate error
>message.

I have one.

If I change my SMTP server settings: 'Use secure connection (SSL/TLS)
from OFF -> ON.  Then PowerMail gives the message:

'Class=NetP; what=6; when=1'

and thunderbird gives a much better error.

Thanks,

Sean

Re: PM6 "View Thread" problem (minor)

[Sean McBride]

Riva Freifeld (ri...@attglobal.net) on 2008-12-21 3:48 PM said:

>I upgraded to PM6 with no problem, and everything works great, except
>for 1 little thing:
>
>When I try to view messages in "Thread" mode, in certain cases but not
>all, PM shows me every single message that contains one of the same
>words as the selected message in the subject heading, i.e. not just the
>thread for the message I selected. For example, when I wanted to see the
>thread for a message titled "Thanks!", it showed me every message in the
>database with the word "thanks" in the subject line.
>
>I thought this might have something to do with the search index, but I
>had updated the search index shortly before I tried this.

I'm also confused about how this feature is supposed to work.

For me, it's acting as follows:
 - I select a message with title "foo bar"
 - I choose 'View Thread'
 - a new window appears showing messages with "foo" and "bar" in their
subject.  Even if not part of the same thread at all.  It also misses
some that are part of the thread.

I hope that's not what it's supposed to do.  Behaviour like Mail.app
would be better (and could be improved upon).

Anyone else try this?

--

Sean McBride, B. Eng cwat...@cam.org
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Error: SYS/PERM Could not read message file

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

Anyone ever seen this error message:

"[SYS/PERM] Could not read message file"

Ever since our mail server had a power failure, I get this message
checking mail.  If I use Mail.app I can still get mail.  But with PM 6
(and 5) I get this error.  It seems to be getting stuck on one message
and refusing to continue.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Sean

Re: HTML display in 6.0b3

[Sean McBride]

Ben Kennedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-12-01 7:43 PM said:

>I still don't understand why it is insurmountable to render this in the
>same way as for plaintext messages.  Surely it is a separate view being
>drawn in that case anyway?  What is it about the HTML view that
>precludes drawing the same header at its top?

I suspect it has to do with the shiny new WebKit being use to render the
HTML, and the crusty old PowerPlant to do everything else.

Sean

PowerMail 6 vapourware?

[Sean McBride]

On 2008-04-15 MacWorld said in an article:

"anyone who buys PowerMail after March 31, 2008, will be able to upgrade
to version 6 upon its release later this Spring"



Did they get the date wrong?  Spring has passed.  Summer has passed.
And no word about a beta even

What's up?  I'd really love to see a 6.0!

Sean

Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4

[Sean McBride]

C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-1-28 10:19 AM said:

>So no sooner do I think it's over, when suddenly PowerMail refuses to
>hide, again.

I saw this interesting discussion on Apple's Carbon list:


from an Apple engineer: "I have occasionally seen failure-to-hide when
the application took an unusually long time to launch -- it bounced in
the Dock, and stopped because the Dock (or some other part of the
system) gave up on expecting the app to finish launching.

When it happened, quitting and relaunching the app always fixed it for me.

If you're seeing the same thing I am, I doubt there's anything your app
can do about it (unless the reason for very-long launch time is under
the app's control)."

Re: One other wish for PM6

[Sean McBride]

George Henne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-9-1 8:09 PM said:

>Here's my biggie:
>
>Threaded emails. When I reply to a message, I want an easy way to see
>all the messages already in the thread. Other email programs do this -
>and it can't be tough to implement.

Here here!

For me, message threading and database > 2 GB are the most desired.

Jérôme, any time frame for at least a _feature list_ of PM6?

Sean

Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail

[Sean McBride]

PowerMail Engineering ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 6/20/08 8:56 AM said:

>Sean McBride wrote:
>
>>Well, I sorta agree.  It's hard to compete with Apple since they make
>>the OS too.  But email is an essential feature and Mac OS should come
>>with a mail client.  But CTM is to blame too, they haven't been keeping
>>PM up to date.  It still doesn't even have sheets, a feature added in
>>Mac OS X 10.0, 8 years ago.
>
>Keeping an application up to date with Mac OS is not trivial, you know.

Agreed... (BTW, I also maintain a PowerPlant application at my day job...)

So while I sympathise with your situation, it's still disturbing.  Let's
look at history:

PowerMail 5.6 was released in December 2007, its new features were all
search-related (no doubt code from FoxTrot).

PowerMail 5.5 was released in October 2006, its main feature was
Universal Binary support.

PowerMail 5.4 and 5.3 did not exist.

PowerMail 5.2 was released in spring 2005 and had some significant
feature additions.

To me, this looks like a product that's not advancing very fast at all

Can you give us any info about the purported PowerMail 6?

--
____
Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail

[Sean McBride]

MB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-6-20 6:54 PM said:

>>Well, Apple currently provides developers with a .Mac SDK, so they may
>>expand it to cover these new features.  Or not.  We'll see.  And if CTM
>>knows, they're under NDA.
>>
>>But 3rd Party developers will always be behind Apple in this regard,
>>since of course teams within Apple get to use each other's code before
>>any of us.
>>
>>And judging by the mediocre integration with Address Book (SDK
>>introduced in 10.2), I'm pessimistic.  :(
>
>I feel Apple is to blame here. What was the problem if the answer is to
>kill applications on the Mac platform?

Well, I sorta agree.  It's hard to compete with Apple since they make
the OS too.  But email is an essential feature and Mac OS should come
with a mail client.  But CTM is to blame too, they haven't been keeping
PM up to date.  It still doesn't even have sheets, a feature added in
Mac OS X 10.0, 8 years ago.

--
"Every rule has an exception; especially this one."

Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM

[Sean McBride]

cheshirekat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-6-19 5:09 PM said:

>Isn't your HTML showing as an attachment in PowerMail?

Did you look at his screenshots?  There was an attachment.  That's his
point.  I'll repeat his words: "PowerMail shows me a totally blank
message with a html attachment, with
no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame."  There's
no globe icon to 'view as html'.  The email had _two italicised words_
and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show
the message.  Lame.  This happens to me all the time too.

Sean

Re: MobileMe and Push-eMail

[Sean McBride]

Steve Tarpin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-6-16 1:19 PM said:

>I've avoided Apple's Mail application, having been an avid PowerMail
>user for 10-years now (since May of 1999). In all honesty, the features
>of MobileMe and the mail-push, server-side constant updating of multiple
>computers from "The Cloud" are awfully tempting. "The Cloud" is the
>direction of the future (GoogleApps, MobileMe etc), and eventually I
>will give in and make the move, unless...
>
>I guess this question is for Jerome and development team or anyone "in
>the know", but is there the possibility that Apple will "share" the
>cloud so that applications OTHER than native apps will operate on
>MobileMe? Any buzz at all in that regard? What would it take for CTM to
>offer such a service, even though if (this) one were to be paying the
>$99 to Apple already, I would be hard-pressed to pay additional money
>for the same (albeit better) piece of their overall package.
>
>I think I'm reading the writing on the wall in reference to "The Cloud",
>if small software developers don't adapt, they will eventually be left
>behind. This is the only reason I would abandon PowerMail, but for me it
>is a compelling reason, and will become more evident as time rolls forward.

Well, Apple currently provides developers with a .Mac SDK, so they may
expand it to cover these new features.  Or not.  We'll see.  And if CTM
knows, they're under NDA.

But 3rd Party developers will always be behind Apple in this regard,
since of course teams within Apple get to use each other's code before
any of us.

And judging by the mediocre integration with Address Book (SDK
introduced in 10.2), I'm pessimistic.  :(

Sean

Re: Review of Power Mail

[Sean McBride]

Cotty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-6-12 12:16 PM said:

>Well if it's any consolation, I am extremely happy with Powermail - been
>using it for years (Claris Emailer before that) and I find it is stable,
>does exactly what I need from an email application, without any
>distractions and fancy footwork, and the spam filter is second to none.

What spam filter!?  PowerMail doesn't have one.  You mean SpamSieve is
second to none (I agree), but SpamSieve can be used with pretty much any
mail client, so it's no argument in favour of PowerMail.

As for me, I've used PowerMail since the OS 9 days, but I think I'll be
switching unless 6.0 is a major change.  But for the moment, 6.0 looks
like vapourware to me.  CTM has told us nothing, no feature list, no
betas, no date, nada.

Why switch?  Because PowerMail seems dead.  There have been no
significant features in ages.  It's still a Carbon app, can't do more
than 2 GB of mail, can't even spell check in the subject field, poor
Unicode support, poor HTML support, etc.  FoxTrot on the other hand is
being updated often.

The OS comes with a mail client, and there are open source mail
clients.  I don't blame CTM for letting PowerMail die.  But it is a
shame, it could be real nice if it had kept up.

My 2¢.

Sean

Re: Deleting select mails from server

[Sean McBride]

MB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-3-29 7:21 AM said:

>Sean McBride said:
>
>>Perhaps I'm missing something simple, but is it possible to delete
>>select mails from the server?  I gets lots of mail, and filter it into
>>about 40 folders.  For about 30 of those folders, I'd like to delete the
>>mail from server as soon as I get them.  How might I do that?
>
>I think it would be feasible to make a script that sets the property for
>"online status" to "marked for deletion" for messages being sorted to a
>specific folder. This could be done in the same filter that moves the
>message to that specific folder.

Where can one set "online status" to "marked for deletion"?  It's
probably staring me in the face, but I don't see that anywhere in the
'Mail Filters' window.

Cheers,

Sean

--
"Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is terrorism of the rich" -
Sir Peter Ustinov

Re: PowerMail 5.6.3 not OS 10.3.9 compatible

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

Just my 2¢:

I would like to vote for 10.3 support to be dropped.  It is a large
burden to QA 3 different OSs.  I'd much rather see PowerMail advance and
adopt newer OS features.  PowerMail still doesn't even shows sheets!  A
feature added in 10.0, a full 7 years ago!  Of all the apps I use, PM is
most OS9-ish.


Sean



Winston Weinmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-3-27 6:15 PM said:

>Does CTM plan a fix? I am mostly on 10.4 or 10.5, but it is possible in
>an emergency I might need to use a 10.3.9 Mac. I am still at PM 5.5.3.
>Should I not upgrade?
>
>Thanks.
>
>- Winston
>
>PowerMail Engineering wrote:
>>
>>PowerMail 5.6.3 was supposed to be 10.3.9 compatible, but in fact it
>>seems not: the reported crash seems systematic on 10.3.9. The transition
>>from XCode 2.4 to 3.0, which should have been transparent, brought us
>>multiple crashes :-(
>>
>>
>>Jérôme - CTM Engineering
>>
>>
>>-
>>   "When Google Desktop was released I immediately downloaded it. I was
>>hoping to find something better than FoxTrot.
>>What I found was that it didn't find many files that FoxTrot does
>>find, and that the indexing process was uncontrollable, and it brought
>>my Dual-Core MacBook Pro to its knees. The computer was almost unusable
>>while it was being indexed.
>>I understand that they have brought out a new version, but I have
>>deleted it from my disk (and have turned off Spotlight indexing in the
>>FoxTrot preference panel).
>>I don't often need an indexed search of my disk, but when I do, FoxTrot
>>is hands down the best."
>>  Alan Harper, FoxTrot Personal Search user
>>
>> Download a demo version from www.foxtrot.ch
>>-
>>
>>
>
>
>

--
"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time
to reform." - Mark Twain

Re: Deleting select mails from server

[Sean McBride]

Barbara Needham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 3/19/08 10:13 PM said:

>>Perhaps I'm missing something simple, but is it possible to delete
>>select mails from the server?  I gets lots of mail, and filter it into
>>about 40 folders.  For about 30 of those folders, I'd like to delete the
>>mail from server as soon as I get them.  How might I do that?
>
>Setup/Mail Accounts/Receiving you can set to delete at any [almost]
>number of days in addition to deleting when deleting locally [such as
>for spam].

Barbara,

Thanks for your reply, but that doesn't really fit my needs.  I use POP
not IMAP (ISP doesn't provide IMAP) and so all my filtering and sorting
is done in PowerMail.  Occasionally I use webmail and/or pine to check
my mail remotely.  Generally when I do so, it's to find a personal
message, not a list message.  So it would be great if there was a way to
delete from the server all messages that go into a folder other than my inbox.

Cheers,

Sean

--
"Every rule has an exception; especially this one."

Deleting select mails from server

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

Perhaps I'm missing something simple, but is it possible to delete
select mails from the server?  I gets lots of mail, and filter it into
about 40 folders.  For about 30 of those folders, I'd like to delete the
mail from server as soon as I get them.  How might I do that?

Thanks,

Sean

--
"do not fear death, but rather the unlived life"

Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5.6.2 universal released

[Sean McBride]

CTM info ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 12/02/08 13:45 said:

>+ Successful porting to XCode 3.0

What were you using previously?  Out of curiosity...

Sean

Re: Email Freezes PowerMail

[Sean McBride]

PowerMail Engineering ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 04/02/08 13:01 said:

>>Occasionally PowerMail "freezes" when retrieving email and has to be
>>forced quit.
>
>This can occur when a message is received with an attached file whose
>name contains a null character. It will be fixed in version 5.6.2,
>currently in internal test.

Please hurry.  We are getting tonnes of these things.  People at work
have already switched to Mail.app permanently.

Sean

Re: Email Freezes PowerMail

[Sean McBride]

Tom Dillon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 01/02/08 13:09 said:

>Occasionally PowerMail "freezes" when retrieving email and has to be
>forced quit.

Me too!  :)  Actually, my coworker had this exact problem today.  Those
spammers seem to have started something new today. :(

We need a 5.6.2 soon, these messages may come in every day!

Sean

Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug

[Sean McBride]

C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 27/01/08 19:02 said:

>>BTW: iTunes is refusing to hide for me right at this very moment.  I
>>note that both PowerMail and iTunes are Carbon apps
>
>NOooo... :O !!!
>
>Does the window grey out and menubar become inactive? Or maybe less
>shadow is the Leopard inactive look...
>
>Or will Apple care about a Tiger problem now that Leopard is out? Hrm...

I'm seeing this problem in 10.5.1.

Sean

Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug

[Sean McBride]

C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 27/01/08 05:34 said:

>Ladies and Gentlemen: the PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug:

Nice write up!  You should definitely go here:


and file a bug with Apple.

BTW: iTunes is refusing to hide for me right at this very moment.  I
note that both PowerMail and iTunes are Carbon apps

Sean

Re: Bug report PM addressbook and apostrophes (copy)

[Sean McBride]

Michael J. Hußmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 13/11/07 18:58 said:

>> When using a name containing an apostrophe in the name part ( I have yet
>> to see such an email address)
>
>And you will never see one, because accented letters (and all other
>characters outside the ASCII character set, plus some ASCII characters)
>are not allowed in mail addresses.

See also:


Sean

Re: OS 10.5 compatibility

[Sean McBride]

Ira Lansing ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 24/10/07 17:54 said:

>Does anyone have a sense of PowerMail's compatibility with the soon-to-
>be-released OS 10.5?

I've been using it for months, and all seems well.

Sean

-- 
"Every rule has an exception; especially this one."

Re: Slow Address Book

[Sean McBride]

Marlyse Comte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 17.10.2007 13:43 Uhr said:

>I do understand the issue with the Recent Mail window. 

The contents of the Recent Mail window change if you quit PM and
relaunch it.  Mail is no longer "recent" at relaunch.

Re: Cannot open PowerMail after backing up....

[Sean McBride]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-09-17 23:57 said:

>PM 5.2.2 has worked perfectly day after day for years! Today I decided
>to back  
>
> *SNIP*
>
>OS X 10.4.10, PowerMac G4, PM 5.2.2. I've used PM, licensed, for  
>about 8-10 years.

First, I would update to the latest, 5.5.3.

-- 
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet" - Albert
Einstein

Re: PowerMail and IMAP

[Sean McBride]

Barbara Needham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-05-09 12:31 said:

>>For most, the biggest thing is being able to keep your mail at work,
>>home, and laptop all in sync.
>
>I manage to do this with pop mail, by not deleting from server. However,
>this works only for INCOMING. 

But it doesn't really _work_.  Can you sync the 'read' status, the
'replied to' status, the folder the message is in, etc.?

-- 
"do not fear death, but rather the unlived life"

Re: PowerMail and IMAP

[Sean McBride]

Lane Roathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-05-09 16:36 said:

>- 2GB DB size limit; be nice to get at least 4GB, that would hold me for
>a few more years until we can get the limit removed all together.

Alas, CTM has said that they won't be upping this limit.  :(

I've managed to survive at 1.8 or so, compacting every few months, and
deleting some messages, but it's a real shame.

-- 
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to
pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

Re: PowerMail and IMAP

[Sean McBride]

Lane Roathe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-05-08 00:33 said:

>I've never figured out the attraction of IMAP, maybe just because I'm
>focused on speed so much. Using both in several programs and via webmail
>I continue to prefer POP3 from both a user and server perspective.
>(Although anymore I have to run IMAP for webmail).

See:


For most, the biggest thing is being able to keep your mail at work,
home, and laptop all in sync.

>If PM ever goes to the dark side and becomes HTML "compliant", I'll
>switch to another program - if I want to send 4MB word docs I'll do so
>knowingly, not accidently via my email program. I also like the fact
>that I can simply flag all HTML email as spam and narrow down my emails
>to (nearly) only those I want (that's after filtering over 90% of the
>spam at the server, leaving only a few hundred a day arriving for PM to
>filter).

For me anyway, I also don't want to compose html mail, but I would like
to be able to read it properly.  Often times I get html mails where the
message in empty and there is a .html attachment.  That's pretty lame.

Sean

-- 
"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time
to reform." - Mark Twain

Re: PowerMail and IMAP

[Sean McBride]

Matthias Schmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-05-07 06:55 said:

>Am/On Mon, 7 May 2007 11:13:24 +0200 schrieb/wrote CTM info:
>
>>Yes, there are indeed limitations. We position PowerMail as a full-blown
>>POP3 e-mail client with high speed indexing, but with lightweight IMAP
>>support i.e. for occasional use. The limitations you see are those of
>>our design goals.
>
>with highspeed internet connections IMAP becomes more and more popular.
>So I think it would be nice, if these limitations within the IMAP-
>implementation of PM would be removed in the near future.

I agree.  IMAP is much beter than POP, and I'd like to switch, but for
now PowerMail is holding me back.

Sean

-- 
"Every rule has an exception; especially this one."

Sending email to one particular address always fails

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

I'm having a very weird problem.  I create a new email, enter some
subject and body, and type in the email address.  Then I press 'send'. 
Everything appears to work (stamp sound, no error message, nothing
logged in Console.app) but when I look in my Out Tray, the message's
status is "Failed".

Why might that be?  It only seems to happen with this one email address.

Thanks,

Sean

-- 
"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time
to reform." - Mark Twain

Re: Powermail Failure...Please Help

[Sean McBride]

Robert Morrison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-03-24 20:09 said:

>Please help...I'm panicked at best.  I appear to have lost several  
>days work as well as all my email since I changed over.  Should I do  
>a low level rebuild?  I have no idea what happened.

You could try, it might help.  You might also try PowerMail Salvage
(google it).  Also, backup your "PowerMail Files" folder before going
any further.

-- 
"When the winds of change are blowing, some people are building shelters
and others are building windmills" - Chinese proverb

Re: Default mail client

[Sean McBride]

Angelica Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-02-14 14:19 said:

>I have been using PM for about 3 weeks and the paid version for about a
>week. I have yet to discover the way to make PM my default mail client.
>Every time I click on an email address, my computer opens Mail.
>
>
>PM 5.2.3 - Intel iMac - OS 10.4.8

Also, the current version is 5.5.3.

-- 
"When the winds of change are blowing, some people are building shelters
and others are building windmills" - Chinese proverb

Re: curly quotes become 1, 2, 3

[Sean McBride]

Alan Harper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-02-08 13:24 said:

>While we are on the subject of Microsoft engineers, this is a good
>article on those stupid winmail.dat files:
>
>

IMNSHO, PowerMail should most definitely add a feature to deal with this
nuisance.  (Yes, I could fix it with an AppleScript, but CTM can fix it
better. :))

-- 
"Good artists borrow from the work of others, great artists steal" - Picasso

Re: Multiple databases (yet again)

[Sean McBride]

computer artwork by subhash ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-01-30 13:50 said:

>>the 2
>>gig limit
>
>I do not understand you people having problems with this limitation.
>What is so important to keep 2 GB of it?

And I do not understand why people think 2 GB is such a huge number. 
This isn't the 1980s.  2 GB is small.  An 80$ iPod has 1 GB. 
Programming difficulties aside, I see no reason for PowerMail to force
this arbitrary limit.  (I am a programmer, and the difficulties are non-
trivial, but still).

Sean

-- 
Model T Ford, 1908, 25 miles per gallon.  Today's Ford Expedition: 15.5 mpg.

Re: How to set up Growl?

[Sean McBride]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2007-01-11
13:00 said:

>I just installed Growl and the PM script. I made some corrections to the
>script, as found in some places on the internet (among other, this list
>archives ...).
>The result is : I can see in Console that Growl receives the commands
>from PM (registering, message), but I never see a single bubble or
>whatever appear on the screen ... Maybe it's a Growl problem, I tried
>many things, but didn't found the way.
>Any advice ?

I had a hell of a time too, I forget how I got it working.  Did you
check this list's archives, the answer should be there.

Sean

-- 
"attack begets defence, whereas courtesy begets respect"

Re: [powermail-discuss] PowerMail 5.2.2b3 private testing seed

[Sean McBride]

T.L. Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-11-29 23:15 said:

  Leopard compatibility
>>>-  PowerMail is now compatible with developer builds of Mac
>>>   OS X 10.5 Leopard on Intel Macs, and uses the latest
>>>   version of SSL contained in the OS
>>
>>Should it work on PPC too?
>
>Certainly should.

I ask because on my G5 on the latest 10.5 seed PM 5.5.1 would not
launch.  I take it you have had success?

Sean

-- 
"Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is terrorism of the rich" -
Sir Peter Ustinov

Re: [powermail-discuss] PowerMail 5.2.2b3 private testing seed

[Sean McBride]

CTM info ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-11-29 13:46 said:

>Also, upon launching, 5.5.2b3 will prompt you to choose which folder you
>want to use;

It did not.  It just used the usual folder.

>>  Leopard compatibility
>-  PowerMail is now compatible with developer builds of Mac
>   OS X 10.5 Leopard on Intel Macs, and uses the latest
>   version of SSL contained in the OS

Should it work on PPC too?

>-  When a connexion error occured, PowerMail was sometimes
>   creating an empty, partial message

Having seen that bug, I'll watch for it!

Sean

-- 
"Whoever controls the past, controls the future" - George Orwell

Re: broken mails not retrievable

[Sean McBride]

Rick Lecoat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-11-07 15:20 said:

>And it's still going on (which is to be expected I guess as nothing has
>changed). But this is getting serious. Notwithstanding that the fact
>that primary issue is that my ISP can't sustain its connection in the
>evenings, Powermail's inability to deal properly with a prematurely
>broken connection is not acceptable.
>
>PM has many quirks in its interface that I don't like but can live with
>because it does its core job in a solid fashion. But this issue means
>that I am losing email -- something that an email application should
>never permit. I just received a message from a client that I had been
>waiting for and it only half came through (because of the severed
>connection). The connection is re-established, but PM will not retrieve
>it, so it is lost.
>
>Absolutely unacceptable and needs to be fixed as a priority.

I have to agree.  Also, this never happened before 5.5 (at least to me,
and I recall no complaints earlier).

Did the database format change with 5.5?  I don't remember... I'm
thinking about downgrading to the previous version, even if it means
using Rosetta.

-- 
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
are free." - Goethe

Re: broken mails not retrievable

[Sean McBride]

Rick Lecoat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-11-04 03:22 said:

>For some reason, I've been getting regular internet connection outages
>at around the same time every night -- nothing to do with Powermail of
>course, but it does have a side effect. Often the connection goes down
>during a mail fetch, and I find that I am left with a half-downloaded,
>broken-icon message.
>
>The problem is that if (once service is restored) I use either of PM's
>options for dealing with this message -- 'Retrieve completely now' or
>'Retrieve completely at next connection' -- the message is NOT retrieved
>but it's Status icon changes to indicate that it is no longer on the
>server. So it's lost, and I have no way to know whether it was just spam
>or a request for me to do a billion dollars worth of design work for the
>Apple. (I know, I know.) 

I reported the exact same problem to this list on Oct 24.  I'm glad
someone else is having the problem. :)  It's happened both at home on my
Mac Pro and at work on my G5.  Two entirely different network setups/
servers/etc.

>FWIW, my settings are for PM to leave messages on the server for 1 day
>after download, just in case (which was supposed to avoid this problem).

It doesn't help though.

>I guess I should update to the full finished version of 5.5 (to be
>honest, until I checked I thought I was using the last previous non-beta
>version; I'd forgotten that I'd upped to the 5.5 beta2 a while back).

I'm using the final 5.5.

-- 
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you win." - Gandhi

Re: Crash report 5.5

[Sean McBride]

Simon Troup ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-11-02 03:40 said:

>>Hey CTM, how about supporting Smart Crash Reports?  Takes 5 seconds to
>>add to your application.  Seriously.
>
>Does that require running Application Enhancer?

No.  You merely add 2 keys to your application's plist.  It's entirely benign.

>That thing utterly
>borked my system, and it really messes with PowerMail, well, stopped
>PowerMail hiding for one thing but a lot of things improved when I
>uninstalled it. 

It doesn't cause me any problems.

-- 
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Re: Crash report 5.5

[Sean McBride]

Bruce Barrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-11-01 19:32 said:

>  Had my first crash since using PM 5.5, I've dropped the crash log here:
>
>
>I was, I believe, trying to do a reply all. (Though as I recall
>I may have been doing something else at about the same time.)

Hey CTM, how about supporting Smart Crash Reports?  Takes 5 seconds to
add to your application.  Seriously.



Sean

-- 
"do not fear death, but rather the unlived life"

Re: 5.5 refuses to 'retrieve completely' a partial message

[Sean McBride]

CTM info ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-10-25 10:12 said:

>Try displaying the Online Status column in the View Options... dialog for
>the In Tray. Does this display that the message you want to download is
>still on the server ? If not for whatever reason, you would indeed be
>stuck with a broken envelope.

It happened again today (message with 1/2 broken envelope icon).  So I
turned on the 'online status' and it showed that the message _is_ on the
server.  So then I do 'retrieve now', but nothing happens.  And now it
shows that the message is NOT on the server.

BTW, this happened at work, on a different machine, different ISP,
different POP/SMTP servers.

This has never happened before, and now has happened on 2 machines.

-- 
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Re: 5.5 refuses to 'retrieve completely' a partial message

[Sean McBride]

CTM info ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-10-25 10:12 said:

>Try displaying the Online Status column in the View Options... dialog for
>the In Tray. Does this display that the message you want to download is
>still on the server ? If not for whatever reason, you would indeed be
>stuck with a broken envelope.

It's not on the server, which I guess explains that.  Maybe 'Retrieve
completely' should be disabled then, since it can't possibly work.

Still, I wonder why it is not on the server.  PM doesn't delete from
server until 7 days old.

Sean

-- 
"we are now sucking almost 1000 barrels of oil from the ground every second"

5.5 refuses to 'retrieve completely' a partial message

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

Every once in a while, over the years, I end up with a mail that has the
1/2 ripped mail icon.  That is, the message was not fully retrieved for
some reason.  But I've always been able to do a 'retrieve completely' or
'retrieve completely at next connection' and the message would download.

However it doesn't seem to work in 5.5!  Either command does nothing. 
Nothing appears in Console.app.

How do I get this message?!

Thanks,

Sean

-- 
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is
only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." - Gandhi

Re: recipe for address synching, please [SHORT/LONG!]

[Sean McBride]

Alan Harper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-10-11 19:50 said:

>SHORT QUESTION:
>
>Has anyone figured out a way to keep the PowerMail address book and
>Apple's AddressBook synchronized reliably?

Short Answer: no.

--
"But if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence" - Pop Will
Eat Itself

2nd item in list stuck as highlighted

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

Well I am using 5.5b2 and am experiencing my first problem:

If I switch from whatever mailbox I'm in to a different one, the 2nd
email in the list becomes highlighted.  It doesn't matter what column
I'm sorted by.  In fact, if I resort, the 2nd item stays selected (that
is, not the same email, just whichever is 2nd in the list).  If I click
a different email, that one becomes highlighted too, but the 2nd in the
list stays highlighted also.  It's sticky.  I can only get it
unhighlighted by selecting it then unselecting it.  Quitting and
relaunching it solves the problem.

Anyone else ever see this?

BTW, nice to see that this list now has a 'list-post' header!

-- 
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Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Re: Windows compatible Zipping (was "Re: [ANN] PowerMail Universal 5.5b2 now available")

[Sean McBride]

Michael Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-09-21 10:03 said:

>get a lot of StuffIt files from people, so I'm happy with Allume
>(formerly Aladdin) for a drag-drop ZIP, Stuff, Tar utility...

You mean Smith Micro Software, Inc., formerly Allume :)

And they just release Stuffit 11 today.

Sean

-- 
"Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is terrorism of the rich" -
Sir Peter Ustinov

Re: PowerMail Universal 5.5b2

[Sean McBride]

Michael Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-09-20 09:47 said:

>others, too. I hope to be finally moving to an Intel Mac soon (my G4/400
>even with its upgrade is really showing its age now, mainly because the
>work I'm doing has expanded and I need more speed -- 4-6 hours to make a
>DVD isn't cutting it anymore :) ). I was wondering if I'd keep PowerMail
>or just use OS X's Mail when I made the move. I do like Mail; I just
>prefer the text mail reading and layout of tools and such in PowerMail.
>Good to know I'll probably be able to keep using PM!

I finally received my intel Mac Pro yesterday, and Apple's Migration
Assistant successfully moved PowerMail and all my mail to the new
machine.  So it's not actually easier to switch to Mail.app just because
you are changing machines.

-- 
"those who live by the sword die by the sword"

Re: [ANN] PowerMail Universal 5.5b2 now available

[Sean McBride]

A-NO-NE Music ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-09-18 21:29 said:

>>As a developer myself, I'm curious why it was such a major
>>undertaking...  Was it the database side of things?
>
>Have you done any CodeWarrior > XCode porting?
>:-)

Lots.  Vice versa even.  It was painful back in the early days, but the
newer Xcodes actually work pretty well.  I'd be somewhat surprised if a
CW->Xcode switch of a relatively small app like PM took so many months. 
We can all speculate, but only CTM knows.

Sean

-- 
"Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is terrorism of the rich" -
Sir Peter Ustinov

Re: [ANN] PowerMail Universal 5.5b2 now available

[Sean McBride]

CTM info ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-09-17 17:42 said:

>- PowerMail is now a Universal application running natively on Intel and
>PowerPC Macs, working on Mac OS X 10.3 and 10.4. This project turned out
>to be a 5-month major undertaking and underscores our commitment to
>PowerMail's future.

As a developer myself, I'm curious why it was such a major
undertaking...  Was it the database side of things?

>- As a token of appreciation to our customers, we have decided to make
>this upgrade free of charge to current PowerMail 5 users.

I should think. :)  After all, it seems to give us PPC customers very little.

>- Messages retrieval is now disable when the database size approaches
>the 2 GB limit.

Great!  Though I admit I'm disappointed the limit is still there at all.

>- Stuffit archive compression/decompression is disabled

No biggie. :)  Zip compression would be better these days.

--
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Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Re: Powermail archive now online

[Sean McBride]

Matthias Schmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-08-31 05:31 said:

>The list admin at ctmdev has to do that.
>But I guess he's reading the list ;-)

If he is, can you please add the 'List-Post' header too.  Especially as
PM has a feature to show that address in the little arrow popup thingie
at the bottom of list messages.

-- 
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
are free." - Goethe

Re: dock menu always says 'force quit'

[Sean McBride]

Rene Merz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-08-18 08:59 said:

>>No, no Alt key. Just a simple ctrl-click (actually a right-click with my
>>2-button mouse). As an idiot-test I also tried the normal-click-and-hold
>>which also calls the contextual menu for the dock item, and that also
>>shows Force Quit.
>
>I think that it could have to do with the programing of the buttons of
>your mouse.

Is PowerMail the only app where it's always Force Quit?  If so, that
rules out your mouse.

-- 
"those who live by the sword die by the sword"

Beta testers needed: iPhoto Mailer Patcher 4.1

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

I have helped Simon Jacquier update his iPhoto Mailer Patcher
application.  For those that don't know, it allows PowerMail (and other
apps) to be used by iPhoto for emailing pictures.

This version now supports iPhoto 6.0.4 (it was previously stuck at 4.0.x).

Would any of you care to test it?

It's available here,
<http://homepage.mac.com/jacksim/software/iphoto_mailer_patcher_4.1.dmg>

Thanks!

--
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Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Re: Universal Binary

[Sean McBride]

Michael Tsai ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-08-15 15:11 said:

>On Aug 15, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Eric Bickford wrote:
>
>> PowerMail on my MacBook Pro crashes several times each day for me as
>> well when retreiving email. However, I now think it may be SpamSieve
>> 2.4.4 that is actually crashing which causes PowerMail 5.2.3 to then
>> crash.
>
>I doubt that. No one's reported it, and probably the worst that would  
>happen to PowerMail if SpamSieve crashed is that it wouldn't get the  

Agreed.  Have you ever considered adding support for Smart Crash Reports?



It's easy.

-- 
be conservative in what you emit and liberal in what you accept - Postel's Law

Re: Listarchive [was: Two feature requests - sort of]

[Sean McBride]

A-NO-NE Music ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-07-26 21:48 said:

>>I don't understand what for a problem you have with that.
>>You're anyway a public person and when I google your name, I get a tons
>>of links.
>>You run your own website etc...
>
>The point is, when people are trying to see my discography or something,
>and if google results forum archive hits first, that is a problem for me
>especially I make a lot of English mistakes!
>
>Seriously, I run a professional audio engineer list, and most of the
>list members are public figure, and we all agreed this is a serious
>concern.  About 5-6 years ago, a few DAW user groups had their archive
>public, and many members including me had to leave for this very reason.
>
>Search engine lists in the order of hit rate.  I understand I am the
>minority here.

The solution is simple: get one of those free email addresses (gmail,
hotmail) and subscribe to the list using that and get rid of your sig. 
Then you are here (more) anonymously.

-- 
"Every rule has an exception; especially this one."

Re: Hanging downloads

[Sean McBride]

Richard Hart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-07-12 23:16 said:

>In our case, I have narrowed it down to SPAM with illegal characters.
>There is one particular type of SPAM that puts every conceivable key
>combination and unicode structure in the title to get your attention.

That's not the case for me.  The mails don't seem to follow any pattern,
and they are 99% English characters.

Sean

Re: Hanging downloads

[Sean McBride]

Frank Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-07-11 01:48 said:

>Occasionally, when downloading my messages, PM hangs part way. After
>waiting, I stop the download and immediately reconnect. PM then downloads
>the rest of my messages.

You're not alone... this happens to me almost everyday.

-- 
"Inter arma enim silent leges" - Cicero

Re: Panics, Intel and PowerMail?

[Sean McBride]

Derry Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-07-10 10:52 said:

>I've had my MacBook Pro a couple of weeks and PowerMail crashes maybe
>2-3 times a day (Been running for 9 hours solid today so far though!)

PowerMail crashes (not kernel panics) on my PPC roughly 2 times a week.
It usually happens when PM is in the background, as it checks every 2
minutes for new mail.

It sounds like other people are having this problem too.  And I believe
this problem has been around a long time.

Looking in my ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/PowerMail.crash.log file I
see the following, notice the dates!:

Date/Time:  2003-04-11 18:06:45 -0400
OS Version: 10.2.4 (Build 6I32)

Command:PowerMail
PID:473

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:  KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x3d333835

(snip)

Thread 6 Crashed:
 #0   0x9022892c in Dequeue
 #1   0x004f73f8 in LThread::ThreadAsynchronousResume(LThread *)
 #2   0x004f7014 in LThread::ThreadTimerProc(TMTask *)
 #3   0x9023c224 in TimerThread
 #4   0x90020d48 in _pthread_body

and most recently:

Date/Time:  2006-06-17 12:23:45.865 -0400
OS Version: 10.4.6 (Build 8I127)

(snip)

Thread 14 Crashed:
0   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore  0x90bb023c Dequeue + 160
1   com.ctmdev.PowerMail0x0026d084
LThread::ThreadAsynchronousResume(LThread*) + 128
2   com.ctmdev.PowerMail0x0026cc74 LThread::ThreadTimerProc
(TMTask*) + 44
3   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore  0x90bfc670 TimerThread + 288
4   libSystem.B.dylib   0x9002ba68 _pthread_body + 96

It seems to always be the Dequeue() function that crashes.

Is this what other people see?

Thanks,

--
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Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Re: PowerMail instability (Intel)

[Sean McBride]

A-NO-NE Music ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-06-09 20:35 said:

>PM is definitely going take a while.  One of my friends told me his
>application will take solid 8 month to rewrite everything from
>CodeWarrior to XCode, no productive aspect to it.

That can't be.  He must have meant 8 months to convert from Carbon to
Cocoa, or something else.  Switching from CodeWarrior to Xcode is some
work, and depends on the app of course, but it's measured in days, not months.

PowerMail is already a Mach-O application, they may be using Xcode
already, and if not I doubt its a big job to switch.

For the app I work on, the biggest obstacle to Intel support is all the
bugs in the Intel Mac OS X!

--
________
Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Re: PowerMail lost all my messages, recovery help requested

[Sean McBride]

Mikael Byström ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-05-31 04:20 said:

>I too was bitten by this identical situation and I finally bit the dust
>and got hold of PowerMail Salvage. It cost me $52 in total and it was
>worth every penny.
>
>Watch out though for salvaging just a percent of the messages. Currently
>there is no definitive order of messages and dates may be unavailable
>for some messages you need, depending on the nature of the damage.
>
>You may very well end up in a situation with duplicate messages, if you
>merge with your backup. If so, you'll need my PowerMail Salvage header
>compatible update to the DeleteDups script or similar. Available per request.

I also bought PowerMail Salvage and it helped me out, though it took a
while.  At first it hung trying to recover messages, but I eventually
figured out which messages it was hanging on.  So I used it to recover
messages since by backup.  Maybe I missed some, but its better than nothing.

>>However we should probably disable fetching, rather than just displaying
>>an alert, when the database size approches 2 GB...
>
>"Probably"? Skip "probably" and implement in this sound move in an
>upcoming incremental update.

Hear! Hear!  Software should strive never to corrupt a user's data.  I'm
pretty sure what happened to me is reproducible, and so should be fixed asap.

>It's a wonder you guys didn't think about this to begin with. After all
>the alert says "getting close to 2GB", not how much closer the current
>fetch will get you there and as a user you kind of trust applications to

Also I'm pretty sure that the message only appears when launching
PowerMail.  I run PowerMail for days/weeks (until it eventually crashes)
and so there's a problem there! :)

--

Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

PowerMail lost all my messages, recovery help requested

[Sean McBride]

Hi all,

Well I checked my mail today and about half way through it reported an 
error.  I pressed OK and the alert came back.  I dismissed literally 
dozens of these messages but they wouldn't stop.  So I force quit PM.  I 
then relaunched and held option and did a rebuild but when it was done I 
ended up with 0 messages!!!  All my folders were still there but there 
were no messages in any of them.  Ack!  I check that 'view only unread' 
was not chosen.

In my PowerMail Files folder there is a "Message Database.old" file which 
is very close to 2 GB (2 147 482 894 bytes-- very close).  If I remove the 
..old extension and launch PM it rebuilds indexes but then gives the error:

Class=DB  ; what = 4; when = 7; err = 37

I believe this was the original error I saw also. If I try a low level 
rebuild it gives the error:

Class=DB  ; what = 100; when = 100; err = 493

These message so are vague, its hard to troubleshoot!

I'm guessing it's complaining about the 2 GB limit.  I guess I've been playing 
with fire 
being so close to 2 GB for so long, but I always hope 
that tomorrow there will be a new PM without that limitation.  (After all, 
the 64-bit File Manager APIs were introduced in Mac OS 9, 7 years ago!!!  
Hello CTM!)

I have a backup of course, but its a few weeks old.

Any suggestion on how I can get my messages back?

Thanks!

Sean
(via good ol' pine :) )

Re: Hiding PM

[Sean McBride]

Marlyse Comte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-05-18 09:20 said:

>Don't think that Default Folder nor DragThing is the culprit - I use
>them both too and I do not have a problem with PoewrMail hiding.

I use neither and I do have problems with PM hiding.  :)

-- 
"How much harm does a company have to do before we question its right to
exist?" — Paul Hawken

Re: Hiding PM

[Sean McBride]

Jeremy Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-05-18 06:14 said:

>>I have this problem too.  It only happens sometimes, maybe 3 times a
>>month.  I've seen it on 3 systems.  None has Codetek Virtual Desktop,
>>all running English 10.4, some systems have APE.  I've never found a way
>>to repro it reliably.  I usually have to kill PM because quitting nicely
>>prompts to save and I can't see the dialog.
>
>I've seen this happen, not just in PowerMail but in other Carbon
>applications including the Finder. I don't have any hacks on my system.
>It happens maybe once a week in my case. PowerMail doesn't seem to be
>worse than other Carbon applications.

I am pretty sure it only happens with PowerMail for me.

>I think it happens when I switch out of an application and hide it at
>the same time (usually by command-option-clicking on a different
>application in the Dock). When I go back, the first application has lost
>its windows and is unable to display any windows from this point on.

I use command-option click to switch applications often, maybe it is
related to that.  I'll be keeping on eye on it.

-- 
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you win." - Gandhi

Re: Hiding PM

[Sean McBride]

computer artwork by subhash ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-05-13 03:25 said:

>Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
>
>> No problem here - this command is a system command and not limited to
>> one application as you know. Have you tried repairing permissions recently?
>
>I did. Hiding PM *never* worked correctly for me. Not with 10.3, not 
>with 10.4. All other applications hide but not PM. And worse: If I try 
>to hide it, I cannot change back to PM from another application, but 
>have to force-quit PM and start it new.

I have this problem too.  It only happens sometimes, maybe 3 times a
month.  I've seen it on 3 systems.  None has Codetek Virtual Desktop,
all running English 10.4, some systems have APE.  I've never found a way
to repro it reliably.  I usually have to kill PM because quitting nicely
prompts to save and I can't see the dialog.

-- 
"Whoever controls the past, controls the future" - George Orwell

Re: error 43

[Sean McBride]

Barbara Needham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-04-11 11:23 said:

>It would be extremely helpful if there were at least a list of what the
>error codes mean.

<http://www.appleerrorcodes.com/>

>And I'm not sure about the error reporting dialogue
>box, stopping progress isn't good but if it just disappeared we wouldn't
>even know about error "43" or whatever... it needs to stay UP, but not in
>the front stopping everything else.

I agree the message PM gives is poor.

--
____
Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

Re: Crash report

[Sean McBride]

Dave Nathanson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2006-02-03 14:13 said:

>I wasn't even using Powermail. It was in the background, and probably was
>checking mail. I was using FireFox to watch a web movie at
>millerauditions.com. The movie suddenly paused, got stuck for 2 or 3
>seconds, then recovered. A moment later I got news that PowerMail had
>crashed. 

This happens to me all the time.  PM crashes like this at least once a
week.  I run it 24/7.

>over 600 messages retrieved, and that took 3 tries because Powermail had
>a problem getting 3 of them, which required me to push the little "X"
>button to stop the retrieval. Then check mail again to continue.

It gets stuck like for me too... several times a week.

However, I have not noticed any correlation between these two problems.

-- 
"How much harm does a company have to do before we question its right to
exist?" — Paul Hawken

Re: Large Database

[Sean McBride]

Jim Pistrang ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2005-12-26 16:44 said:

>Just curious, what is the total number of emails in your database?  I

Is there an easy way to tell?  I have so many folders looking at each
and adding them would be a pain. :)

-- 
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is
only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." - Gandhi

AddressBook sync problems

[Sean McBride]

Hi,

I have a 'John Doe' in the addressbook.  He had 2 email addresses
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I have since removed [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and added
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  When I create a new email message in PM, and start typing
his name, i only see the two old addresses.

How do I get PM to stay up to date?  In the prefs, in Synchronisation, I
have 'update PM from AB' set to 'on PM startup' and in advanced I have
everything on.  Shouldn't that work?

Thanks!

--
________
Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada

PM crashes

[Sean McBride]

Of all the applications I use regularly, PowerMail crashes the most.
I'd like to suggest that the next version support smart crash reports,
so that ctm can get these crashers fixed.

<http://www.unsanity.com/smartcrashreports>

--
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Sean McBride, B. Eng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mac Software Designer   Montréal, Québec, Canada