Crossloop integration into VFP

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crozier
To All,
Just to let you know that I am currently in talks with one of the developers
Mrinal Desai at Crossloop talking about the possibility of providing an API
into the Crossloop software so that we can hook into it from VFP.

For those of you who didn't catch the thread earlier this month regadring
Crossloop:

www.Crossloop.com

Crossloop is a hybrid of VNC with a pretty front end that allows you to
remote control any PC through firewalls, routers etc., as long as the remote
PC has Internet access they can run either Firefox or IE through.
Installation is a breeze and the remote site (Host) loads the program which
prompts them a unique security key. You as the client then key this security
key in at your end and the connection is made through a secure encrypted
server, and best of all it is all free. Once the connection is made the
remote end confirms the ability for the client (by Name) to connect and you
are off

Back to the crux of the matter though! I see that being able to add this
into a VFP app as an installable option to aid in remote diagnostics would
be a great addition/selling point for those of you who do small bespoke
development. My thoughts go as follows:

1. Ability to distribute the Crossloop software with VFP application. This
it seems wouldn't be a problem to Crossloop but I need to confirm their
licensing conditions.

2. Ability to either leave the remote host on standby via VFP and accept
the client call automatically in the background or pop up the acceptance
screen through VFP for operator confirmation.

3. Added ability to transfer files under VFP control to the host site from
the client - this would allow easy version upgrades and bug fixes. This is
not available at present but is scheduled for development.

4. Getting a VFP Branded version of Crossloop to help the exposure of VFP.

Mrinal seems to be very enthusiastic about helping develop such an interface
and we, as a group, could help in this. Have any of you any ideas or
thoughts - good or negative as I said I'd get some feedback from the group.
To say the least he seems to be very enthusiastic about us helping to get
exposure for the product - which thay have said will ALLWAYS be free, as
this in turn will get exposure for his company as a whole.

Apart from that we could show the .Net crew we aren't quite dead yet!

As the discussion unrolls I'm going to blog about it and keep the group
posted.

Comments appreciated.

Dave Crozier






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Re: [OT] Deaths since the Iraq war -- on our soil

2007-01-26 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Pete Theisen wrote:
 On Tuesday 23 January 2007 5:52 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
 
 
 Hi Michael!
 
 Overwhelming response. Libs like their babies dead.
 
 4,977,165 children have died in the United States,
 since the Iraq War started, from abortion.


Well, that's actually false. By definition a child has to have been
born. You are talking about fetus. Should be more precise in your own
language. Specially Mikey who'll mock non english speaking people's
mistakes in english.



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Re: [OT] Deaths since the Iraq war -- on our soil

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm

...  It is estimated that up to 50% of all fertilized eggs die and are lost
(aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant.
Among known pregnancies, the rate of miscarriage is approximately 10% and
usually occurs between the 7th and 12th weeks of pregnancy...


God really likes our babies dead.



On 1/26/07, Ricardo Aráoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Pete Theisen wrote:
  On Tuesday 23 January 2007 5:52 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
 
 
  Hi Michael!
 
  Overwhelming response. Libs like their babies dead.
 
  4,977,165 children have died in the United States,
  since the Iraq War started, from abortion.


 Well, that's actually false. By definition a child has to have been
 born. You are talking about fetus. Should be more precise in your own
 language. Specially Mikey who'll mock non english speaking people's
 mistakes in english.



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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Malcolm Greene
Michael,

 Anybody have a great deal on medical insurance?

If you're in NJ you are totally screwed - there are no deals.

Malcolm


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Re: Crossloop integration into VFP

2007-01-26 Thread Malcolm Greene
Dave,

 I am currently in talks with one of the developers Mrinal Desai at Crossloop 
 talking about the possibility of providing an API into the Crossloop software 
 so that we can hook into it from VFP.

Excellent! This would be a wonderful capability. I've tried crossloop -
very impressive.

Keep us abreast of your progress. (I know I'm going to regret the way I
worded thatg)

Malcolm


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Re: Joke

2007-01-26 Thread Rafael Copquin
As a Public Accountant myself, I enjoyed this joke very much

ROFL

Rafael Copquin

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nicholas Geti 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:34 PM
  Subject: Joke


  Three accountants and three Lawyers take a train trip.  The accountants buy 
just one ticket  the attorneys buy three.  
  The attorneys ask the accountants why. to which they respond watch 
  The three attorneys take their seats and the three accountants cram into a 
restroom. When the conductor comes around he knocks on the restroom door and a 
hand pops out with a ticket 
  On the return trip; the attorneys buy one ticket and the accountants buy no 
tickets at all. The attorneys cram into a restroom.  After a few moments one of 
the accountants knocks on the restroom door and takes the ticket.


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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Stephen the Cook
Adam Buckland  wrote:
 Relocate to Europe.
 
 No on second thoughts DON'T.

PLEASE!

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Excel Chart to VFP

2007-01-26 Thread Garry Bettle
Howdy all,

Has anyone ever created a chart via automation in MS Excel and returned the
chart to VFP?

I was hoping to use the _clipboard but it's not working in VFP (9.0 SP2).

If pushed, I'd be happy saving the chart in Excel as a temporary image file,
which VFP could then import.

Many thanks,

Garry

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Re: Joke

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
I believe the original joke had the lawyers as the smart ones.


On 1/26/07, Rafael Copquin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As a Public Accountant myself, I enjoyed this joke very much

 ROFL

 Rafael Copquin

   - Original Message -
   From: Nicholas Geti
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:34 PM
   Subject: Joke


   Three accountants and three Lawyers take a train trip.  The accountants
 buy just one ticket  the attorneys buy three.
   The attorneys ask the accountants why. to which they respond watch
   The three attorneys take their seats and the three accountants cram into
 a restroom. When the conductor comes around he knocks on the restroom door
 and a hand pops out with a ticket
   On the return trip; the attorneys buy one ticket and the accountants buy
 no tickets at all. The attorneys cram into a restroom.  After a few moments
 one of the accountants knocks on the restroom door and takes the ticket.


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Re: [NF] MySql

2007-01-26 Thread Man-wai CHANG
Brian Erickson wrote:
 I need the help on a MySQL expert.  I have a box that I have MySQL running
 it is a new install.  What I am looking for is for someone to ssh into the
 box to finish setting it up.  For the specs email me off line.  The company
 I am working for is willing to pay for a couple of hours of your time.  I
 need this done today if possible, if not yesterday.  thanks

Host OS is linux or window$?

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Re: Excel Chart to VFP

2007-01-26 Thread Garry Bettle
On 1/26/07, Garry Bettle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has anyone ever created a chart via automation in MS Excel and returned the 
 chart to VFP?

Nevermind,

How To Pass Data to Microsoft Graph Programatically:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q129533

and from Help Append General:

CREATE TABLE MyGenTbl (mygenfield G)
APPEND BLANK
APPEND GENERAL mygenfield FROM C:\EXCEL\BOOK1.XLS CLASS EXCELCHART

Oh, finally a happy day!

Garry

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Re: [OT] Trimming posts is vastly more important than top posting for Digest readers

2007-01-26 Thread Jeff
Trying to piss off everyone :)

At 03:37 PM 1/25/2007, you wrote:
I did not trim this message because it just proves that top posting is the
only way to go. This message required scrolling and I was ready to delete it
but decided to check it out and then decided to respond.


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To: profox@leafe.com
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:56 PM
Subject: [NF] Trimming posts is vastly more important than top posting for
Digest readers


  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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(MB Software Solutions)
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FireFox (Dave Crozier)
11. Re: Wierd Label behaviour (Nicholas Geti)
 
 
  Digest readers will get to scroll past all the legacy drek you don't
  bother to trim.
 
  For us trimming posts is vastly more important than top posting
  Normally, I do prefer top posting but bottom posted for a purpose - to
  show a very heavily trimmed example of what we see.
 
  Best,
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Re: [OT] Trimming posts is vastly more important than top posting for Digest readers

2007-01-26 Thread Jeff
At 06:25 AM 1/26/2007, you wrote:
Trying to piss off everyone :)

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Re: [NF] ReportTrim(ctext,nstart,nlength)

2007-01-26 Thread Peter Cushing
Hal Kaplan wrote:
 Wow, I am so thrilled to see that other people are getting gigged for
 not trimming properly.
  
 Not that I wish anyone ill or harm, just glad that it is not me. G
   
I still blame you :-)

Peter



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[OT]I'm not liking Pinnacle

2007-01-26 Thread Rodney Dixon
I haven't had a relationship with then for years, and now all of a
sudden I'm starting to get spam from companies that says:

You have been selected to receive this e-mail because you indicated you
wanted to receive information and special offers from other companies
when you provided your email address to: Pinnacle Publishing

 

I never say that, g.  I emailed them to tell them to take me off of
their spam list.  I guess I'll see what happens.

 

Rodney Dixon

McKee Foods Corporation

P.O. Box 750

Collegedale  TN  37315

 

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Re: [NF] ReportTrim(ctext,nstart,nlength)

2007-01-26 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/26/07, Peter Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hal Kaplan wrote:
  Wow, I am so thrilled to see that other people are getting gigged for
  not trimming properly.
 
  Not that I wish anyone ill or harm, just glad that it is not me. G
 
 I still blame you :-)

 Peter

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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Cully
As a lone gunman, insurance is really expensive.  My family is
relatively healthy so we got a HSA account, aka Health Savings
Account.  It basically  means that we fund our own insurance (tax
exempt) for common doctor visits, but BCBS kicks in if the amount goes
over $5K in a year.  Basically, it's catastrophic insurance.

What I like about it is that I become the customer of the doctor.
Normally, the doctor is doing what the insurance company wants him to
do.  It's amazing how a doctor treats me differently when they learn
that I'm paying the bill.  I get much better treatment, IMO.

-Kevin


Michael Madigan wrote:
 I'm in NJ.
 
 --- Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Anybody have a great deal on medical insurance? 
 My Cobra runs out the end of February.

 Medical insurance is specific to the locale you
 reside in. I have someone I can recommend if you
 live in the state of Michigan.


 Rick
 White Light Computing, Inc.

 www.whitelightcomputing.com
 www.rickschummer.com
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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Allen
I'm really glad I didn’t move to the states. We only have mrsi to worry
about. And waiting lists. Closing hospitals Ok forget it.
Allen 

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As a lone gunman, insurance is really expensive.  My family is
relatively healthy so we got a HSA account, aka Health Savings
Account.  It basically  means that we fund our own insurance (tax
exempt) for common doctor visits, but BCBS kicks in if the amount goes
over $5K in a year.  Basically, it's catastrophic insurance.

What I like about it is that I become the customer of the doctor.
Normally, the doctor is doing what the insurance company wants him to
do.  It's amazing how a doctor treats me differently when they learn
that I'm paying the bill.  I get much better treatment, IMO.

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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/26/07, Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm really glad I didn't move to the states. We only have mrsi to worry
 about. And waiting lists. Closing hospitals Ok forget it.
 Allen

It will be a lot better in a few months time for you Al..

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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Rodney Dixon
How do the charges work?  I'm insured through my employer, so I get an
EOB (Explanation of Benefits) printout after every visit.  I notice that
there is a significant discount right of the top.  For example, the
charge for some items might be $1000 but my in-network discount might
bring it down to $600.  Do you get the advantage of the discounted
rate, or do you get to pay the bloated (let me stick it to the uninsured
people to offset the sticking I get from the insurance company) fee.
 
Regards
Rodney

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Cully
 Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:00 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [NF] Medical insurance
 
 As a lone gunman, insurance is really expensive.  My family is
 relatively healthy so we got a HSA account, aka Health Savings
 Account.  It basically  means that we fund our own insurance (tax
 exempt) for common doctor visits, but BCBS kicks in if the amount goes
 over $5K in a year.  Basically, it's catastrophic insurance.
 
 What I like about it is that I become the customer of the doctor.
 Normally, the doctor is doing what the insurance company wants him to
 do.  It's amazing how a doctor treats me differently when they learn
 that I'm paying the bill.  I get much better treatment, IMO.
 
 -Kevin
 
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
  I'm in NJ.
 
  --- Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Anybody have a great deal on medical insurance?
  My Cobra runs out the end of February.
 
  Medical insurance is specific to the locale you
  reside in. I have someone I can recommend if you
  live in the state of Michigan.
 
 
  Rick
  White Light Computing, Inc.
 
  www.whitelightcomputing.com
  www.rickschummer.com
  586.254.2530 - office
  586.254.2539 - fax
 
 
 
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RE: [NF] MySql

2007-01-26 Thread Brian Erickson
Host OS is Debian.  We would get you ssh access to the box so you can do all
the configuring.

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Behalf Of Man-wai CHANG
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [NF] MySql

Brian Erickson wrote:
 I need the help on a MySQL expert.  I have a box that I have MySQL running
 it is a new install.  What I am looking for is for someone to ssh into the
 box to finish setting it up.  For the specs email me off line.  The
company
 I am working for is willing to pay for a couple of hours of your time.  I
 need this done today if possible, if not yesterday.  thanks

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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Kevin Cully wrote:
 What I like about it is that I become the customer of the doctor.
 Normally, the doctor is doing what the insurance company wants him to
 do.  It's amazing how a doctor treats me differently when they learn
 that I'm paying the bill.  I get much better treatment, IMO.
   
Wow!  I'm surprised to hear that.  I figured they didn't really notice 
the billing part but left that to the office staff (i.e., I figured they 
only focused on your care).


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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Allen wrote:
 I'm really glad I didn’t move to the states. We only have mrsi to worry
 about. And waiting lists. Closing hospitals Ok forget it.
 Allen 
   

What's mrsi ???  When I google that, it says Magnetic resonance 
spectroscopic imaging but I'm sure that's not what you mean.

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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 07:47 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
  You are a Christian based on what is in your heart. If you go to a
  Christian Church every Sunday, donate a lot to charity, help the poor, and
  offer kindness to strangers, by all outward appearances you are a
  Christian. However, if while you're doing all that, you are bitter in your
...

Fair enough, there is a buddhist saying that a rose will give you its
perfume without meaning to be good. I like to interpret it as that it is
it's nature, that if you are 'good' then you'll have no choice but to do
'good' (and vice versa).
Now, according to your beliefs, does a 'christian' have to believe in
exactly the same god you do, in exactly the same manner (e.g. let's say
you don't believe in angels and he does. Or he believes in everything
except that Mary was a virgin)? What latitude does he have? If he
accepts god in his heart and he accepts god in his heart and 'knows that
the grace of god alone is what can save him', is he a christian?
...

Well, based on past messages I apparently haven't been able to communicate 
my points very well. But I'll give it a try...

I think the key core of being a Christian is realizing that you can't save 
yourself, believing God came to Earth as Jesus Christ, believing He died on 
the cross for our sins, believing He rose from the dead, and believing you 
can ask Him into your heart to accept God's gift of salvation.

I think that's the key things. I think the other beliefs come as a person 
grows in maturity as a Christian. That doesn't mean they'll necessarily 
agree on all things with me; as I've said before, I may have incorrect 
interpretations. But, so far, what I've been posting is where I am in my 
faith now.

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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Allen
Hello Jean
Yes I know, but I may have to pay for it. At least one day.
Cant wait to get going. Mid March it looks like.
Allen 

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 I'm really glad I didn't move to the states. We only have mrsi to worry
 about. And waiting lists. Closing hospitals Ok forget it.
 Allen

It will be a lot better in a few months time for you Al..

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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crozier
Michael,

It's a hospital superbug that basically is resistant to antibiotics so it
kills you

Dave Crozier


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Allen wrote:
 I'm really glad I didn't move to the states. We only have mrsi to worry
 about. And waiting lists. Closing hospitals Ok forget it.
 Allen 
   

What's mrsi ???  When I google that, it says Magnetic resonance 
spectroscopic imaging but I'm sure that's not what you mean.

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VFPCom.dll - Which Language?

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crozier
Would anyone out there know what VFPCOM.DLL is written using? 

Also, if it is VFP itself then whether the source code is available
anywhere?

I think I know that the answer is going to be C++ and the source is
unavailable but thought I'd ask the question nevertheless to confirm my
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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Cully
I'm backed in the HSA by Blue Cross Blue Shield.  So, I can force any
doctor to file the claim via the BCBS network, which applies the
discount, and then I get the bill from the doctor and pay that amount.

... or ... If I know the doctor (or their billing staff) I can explain
to them that I'm in an HSA.  I'll tell them that they can file the claim
for $1000 and get paid $600 in about 4 to 12 months, or we can skip all
of that, and I can pay the $600 right now (or $550 or $500
...negotiate!) via my HSA debit card and they'll get their money
tomorrow with little or no paperwork.  I do this with my dermatologist.
 (I'm so white, I'm translucent!)  I'm tempted to get my own liquid
nitrogen service to the house.  I digress.

These Doc In A Box facilities are excellent too, and a HSA account
works great with this business/service model.  Their prices are listed
in plain sight, there's usually no wait at all, and they can do
everything including minor surgeries.

Again, if you and your family are relatively healthy, and you have the
cash reserve (3-6 mo) that you should as an independent contractor
developing in a language that M$ doesn't deem a buzzword, then an HSA
might be right for you.  If you have something chronic, then another
plan may be better.

-K

Rodney Dixon wrote:
 How do the charges work?  I'm insured through my employer, so I get an
 EOB (Explanation of Benefits) printout after every visit.  I notice that
 there is a significant discount right of the top.  For example, the
 charge for some items might be $1000 but my in-network discount might
 bring it down to $600.  Do you get the advantage of the discounted
 rate, or do you get to pay the bloated (let me stick it to the uninsured
 people to offset the sticking I get from the insurance company) fee.
  
 Regards
 Rodney
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kevin Cully
 Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:00 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [NF] Medical insurance

 As a lone gunman, insurance is really expensive.  My family is
 relatively healthy so we got a HSA account, aka Health Savings
 Account.  It basically  means that we fund our own insurance (tax
 exempt) for common doctor visits, but BCBS kicks in if the amount goes
 over $5K in a year.  Basically, it's catastrophic insurance.

 What I like about it is that I become the customer of the doctor.
 Normally, the doctor is doing what the insurance company wants him to
 do.  It's amazing how a doctor treats me differently when they learn
 that I'm paying the bill.  I get much better treatment, IMO.

 -Kevin


 Michael Madigan wrote:
 I'm in NJ.

 --- Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Anybody have a great deal on medical insurance?
 My Cobra runs out the end of February.

 Medical insurance is specific to the locale you
 reside in. I have someone I can recommend if you
 live in the state of Michigan.


 Rick
 White Light Computing, Inc.

 www.whitelightcomputing.com
 www.rickschummer.com
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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Adam Buckland
This now makes me very worried if Kevin is indeed covered by Blue
Cross

www.bluecross.org.uk



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I'm backed in the HSA by Blue Cross 

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Re: [NF] Recipe Book into PDF to download

2007-01-26 Thread Mike yearwood
Hi Pablo

 Printing turned off?!?!

 That is sufficient deterrent for me to buy in the first place. :(

 PabloSr

Considering the size of some books lately, printed material is
starting to turn me off. Look at the Oracle Application Developer Exam
Guide. I swear the book weighs 50 pounds. It is as big as the
Metropolitan Toronto phone book :)

Mike


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Re: [NF] MySql

2007-01-26 Thread Man-wai CHANG
Brian Erickson wrote:
 Host OS is Debian.  We would get you ssh access to the box so you can do all
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Debian.. I am using Ubuntu. What kind of set up do ya want? InnoDB or
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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Cully
In the end, it's all about keeping the money flowing.  The accounting
staff is in the wrestling match with the insurance companies, but the
doctors, in the end, call the shots.  HA!

Seriously folks, once the doctors hear that I'm paying for the service,
they may choose a similar but less costly treatment.  I can't know for
sure, but they really do seem to treat me like the customer instead of
some type of phantom entity floating in front of them.  All doctors and
doctor offices are different, YMMV.

I've heard of some doctors in North Georgia that are stopping taking
insurance.  They let the patient file the claims with their insurance
companies because the doctors were getting screwed over so badly.

The employer / employee / insurance company / doctor system is broken
IMO.  I don't file a claim to get my oil changed in my car, only if I
have a major accident.  Why should routine doctor visits be any different?

MB Software Solutions wrote:
 Wow!  I'm surprised to hear that.  I figured they didn't really notice 
 the billing part but left that to the office staff (i.e., I figured they 
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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Cully
That's me with the ball in my mouth!!! g

Adam Buckland wrote:
 This now makes me very worried if Kevin is indeed covered by Blue
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Re: [NF] XP- Home or Pro

2007-01-26 Thread Derek Kalweit
 If you're using XP home as a peer to peer network,
 then only 5 total users may be attached to your
 computer.  That is yourself and 4 others.
 
 With XP Pro you're allowed 10 users to be attached.

 What do you mean by attached?

This would be defined by Microsoft. Each time you connect to a
computer for file sharing, you 'attach' to it, and it creates a
connection. These connections time-out after a while, and it's
possible for the client or server computer to explicitly terminate the
connection by using admin tools. In practice, though, this 'attached'
number is higher than the computers truely transfering files or
browsing files on the 'server' computer...

There's also an MS known, MS acknowledged, and MS ignored issue with
Windows computers used as P2P SMB 'servers'-- when a client first
boots up and connects, it creates it's regular connection, as well as
a 'null session' that counts towards the limit. This means if you have
a turnkey system such as ours, where the stations all start at the
same time, you're effectively limited to 5 stations(half the
connection limit) unless the client code has error-handling to wait
for the null sessions to disconnect(they timeout in 30-60 seconds,
IIRC).


Now, in Windows XP, there's another 10 connection limit that can be
somewhat confusing. You may have seen it in your Event Log, and even
seen some network 'quirks' about the time of the event log entry. This
is a 10 half-open tcp/ip connection limit. This was a 'security fix'
that Microsoft implemented to try to slow worm propogation(albiet not
very effective; if you do the math, you can still propogate to
millions of computers in just a few minutes). If you try to load any
P2P programs, such as bit torrent, you're likely to see this problem.
Microsoft has no registry hack to fix this 'fix' for those who
actually need their network connections to not shut down/throttle like
this, but there's a small utility out there that will patch the
tcpip.sys file to change the limit. I'm usually leary of this sort of
hack, but I've been really annoyed by this limit and was forced to try
the utility and hack my tcpip.sys, which actually works quite well.
It's simply setting the functionality effectively to what it was in
prior versions of Windows... The utility is available at
http://www.lvllord.de/ for anyone interested in fixing their Windows
XP computers


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Re: [NF] Recipe Book into PDF to download

2007-01-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
50 pounds! I'd have to get my two sons just to help me pick it up and open
it. 

Any e-book I purchase must allow me to print selected portions or pages of
my choosing. The ability to have a few pages printed out and available at
arms reach with the knowledge that if I misplace those pages I can easily
recover them from the e version of the book is invaluable to me.  If I
cannot do that, I can't make full use of the book's contents.

PabloSr

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 Hi Pablo

 Printing turned off?!?!
 That is sufficient deterrent for me to buy in the first place. :(

 PabloSr

 Considering the size of some books lately, printed material
 is starting to turn me off. Look at the Oracle Application 
 Developer Exam Guide. I swear the book weighs 50 pounds. 
 It is as big as the Metropolitan Toronto phone book :)

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Re: [NF] Trimming posts is vastly more important than top posting for Digest readers

2007-01-26 Thread Derek Kalweit
 Let's argue about tabs vs whitespace again.

Tabs are white-space. And far superior for prefixing text than
spaces... Now if only some applications defaulted to a more
appropriate 2 or 4-space tab length instead of the out-rageous 8 I see
in some applications...


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Re: [NF] Trimming posts is vastly more important than top posting for Digest readers

2007-01-26 Thread Derek Kalweit
 I agree.
 Now aren't you glad I didn't quote anything?

Now everyone thinks you agree with them..unless they know you. :)


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Re: [NF] Recipe Book into PDF to download

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Cully
IIRC, CafePress was (much) more expensive than Lulu.  I've always had
excellent service from CafePress though.  We got our shirts from
FoxForward through Cafepress.

Michael Madigan wrote:
 Here's a friend of mine's book
 
 http://www.cafepress.com/buy/pocket%20watch%20book/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.51341176/pNo_51341176/id_11634569/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_
 
 
 Here are more samples
 
 http://www.cafepress.com/buy/book/-/fpt_H/c_118
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[OT] Superbug (was Re: [NF] Medical insurance)

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Dave Crozier wrote:
 Michael,

 It's a hospital superbug that basically is resistant to antibiotics so it
 kills you

 Dave Crozier
   
I heard years ago that something like this was going to come and get all 
of us.  Not nukes or earthquakes, but simple bacteria that was able to 
eventually resist all antibiotics.


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Re: [NF] MySql

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Man-wai CHANG wrote:
 Brian Erickson wrote:
   
 Host OS is Debian.  We would get you ssh access to the box so you can do all
 the configuring.
 

 Debian.. I am using Ubuntu. What kind of set up do ya want? InnoDB or
 MyISAM?

   
Just remember Brian -- if you want to use transactions, then you must 
use InnoDB; otherwise, MyISAM.

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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Rick Schummer
I figured they didn't really notice the billing part but left that to the 
office staff (i.e., I
figured they only focused on your care). 

ROFL - Oh, you were serious. 

Maybe it is different in PA than MI, but most doctors I have visited are 
interested in treating the
patient, not healing them. In priority order billable visits and tests, what 
drugs the can push
based on bribes from the drug companies, and then maybe addressing the illness. 
There are naturally
exceptions.

And don't even get me started on their billing structures. We paid $5000 a day 
when my daughter was
hospitalized last summer. All I saw was the invoice without any detail. 
Seriously. My clients would
throw a fit if I provide them an invoice for good money without explanation. 
Explanation of benefit
forms are one of the most confusing and useless forms I have read.

For independents like me, who get the least coverage for the money it only 
brings more stress to an
already stressful lifestyle.

Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

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www.rickschummer.com
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586.254.2539 - fax
  


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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 09:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [NF] Medical insurance

Kevin Cully wrote:
 What I like about it is that I become the customer of the doctor.
 Normally, the doctor is doing what the insurance company wants him to 
 do.  It's amazing how a doctor treats me differently when they learn 
 that I'm paying the bill.  I get much better treatment, IMO.
   
Wow!  I'm surprised to hear that.  I figured they didn't really notice the 
billing part but left
that to the office staff (i.e., I figured they only focused on your care).


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RE: VFPCom.dll - Which Language?

2007-01-26 Thread Rick Schummer
I believe you are correct Dave, I believe it is C++ and the source has never 
been distributed by
Microsoft.


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 09:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: VFPCom.dll - Which Language?

Would anyone out there know what VFPCOM.DLL is written using? 

Also, if it is VFP itself then whether the source code is available anywhere?

I think I know that the answer is going to be C++ and the source is unavailable 
but thought I'd ask
the question nevertheless to confirm my thoughts.

Dave Crozier





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Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crozier
I came across an annoying post in the Wine-users discussion board which I
monitor from time to time dissing VFP as usual and I've posted a reply. The
message annoyance and my response reads as follows:

I think I made a mistake on the supported until date however, but what the
hell!

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.user/16486/focus=16487

Hope both Whil and Paul don't mind my response

Matthew Reed said:

 Microsoft has made it quite clear that you can't run VFP applications on 
 non-Windows operating systems. They have in the past, and probably would
not 
 hesitate in the future, to sue people that do so. Also, Visual FoxPro is 
 dead and is at the end of it's life cycle. Don't waste your time learning 
 it.

Mathew, please get your facts correct.

1. Microsoft didn't say to Whil Hentzen or Paul McNett that he couldn't run
VFP
on wine. They simply said that VFP runtimes could not be distributed to run
on a
non windows platform. They didn't sue or take legal action against either
of
Paul or Whil, simply stated the previous fact and asking the protagonists to
consult their lawyers re the Eula. The VFP Eula is no different to the EULA
on
any other Microsoft product so running any other Microsoft produce COULD
incurr
the same response from Microsoft. Unless you have very deep pockets though,
or
get sponsored by a large organisation you wouldn't want to take the chance
of M$
taking you to court, so that is the current situation.

2. VFP is NOT a defunct or dead product. The next release of Sedna will in
fact
be supported until 2014 by Microsoft and the main additions to an already
complete language will be interoperability with the .NET framework, be it
V1,
V2, V3 or any of the future versions that are going to manifest themselves -
just how long a shelf life do you need, especially seeing as how my
applications
from the non windows dos days can be simply compiled in the current version
and
run NO PROBLEMS. To me, that shows a mature sophisticated package with many
years life not a dead product.

3. VFP Developers probably have at their disposal the best desktop
application
development language bar none and we have had it for a many years. It is the
rest of the application development languages that are now playing catch-up
with
VFP - take the LinQ project for instance. Where do you think this idea came
from
- VFP of course, and who are the chief developers in the project - well non
other than the main architects of VFP.

4. The VFP users/developers out there haven't given up hope of being able to
run
VFP apps on Wine completely. In fact there is no problem in developing using
VFP
on Wine as that doesn't contravene the Eula at all - the stumbling block is
the
distribution of the runtime files with the finished application, but in
time,
Microsoft might change their stance. In which case, look forward to the best
desktop development system appearing on a desktop near you and blowing the
socks
of the competition.

In conclusion I really do wish that you guys out there in ra ra development
land would take your heads out of your backsides and realise that there is
more
than one way to skin a cat.

Regards
Dave Crozier





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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Rick Schummer wrote:
 ROFL - Oh, you were serious. 

 Maybe it is different in PA than MI, but most doctors I have visited are 
 interested in treating the
 patient, not healing them. In priority order billable visits and tests, what 
 drugs the can push
 based on bribes from the drug companies, and then maybe addressing the 
 illness. There are naturally
 exceptions.

 And don't even get me started on their billing structures. We paid $5000 a 
 day when my daughter was
 hospitalized last summer. All I saw was the invoice without any detail. 
 Seriously. My clients would
 throw a fit if I provide them an invoice for good money without explanation. 
 Explanation of benefit
 forms are one of the most confusing and useless forms I have read.

 For independents like me, who get the least coverage for the money it only 
 brings more stress to an
 already stressful lifestyle.
   
Holy cow...that sure makes me appreciate not having to do that (yet).


-- 
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB Software Solutions, LLC
http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
http://fabmate.com
Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!



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Re: [NF] Recipe Book into PDF to download

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
I haven't looked at lulu yet.  Cafepress does send
commission checks like clockwork and I have a very low
return rate.  Additionally, this company, if it
wished, could have links to other books available on
cafepress and earn a 20% commission.


--- Kevin Cully [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 IIRC, CafePress was (much) more expensive than Lulu.
  I've always had
 excellent service from CafePress though.  We got our
 shirts from
 FoxForward through Cafepress.
 
 Michael Madigan wrote:
  Here's a friend of mine's book
  
 

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/pocket%20watch%20book/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.51341176/pNo_51341176/id_11634569/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_
  
  
  Here are more samples
  
 

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/book/-/fpt_H/c_118
  
  
  
  
  
  
  www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
  
  
  
  
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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
Europe is a step up over Memphis.   Darfur is a step
up over Memphis. LOL



--- Stephen the Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Adam Buckland  wrote:
  Relocate to Europe.
  
  No on second thoughts DON'T.
 
 PLEASE!
 
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 treat those who
 can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown
 
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RE: VFPCom.dll - Which Language?

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crozier
Thanks Rick, just as I thought unfortunately.

Dave Crozier

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To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: VFPCom.dll - Which Language?

I believe you are correct Dave, I believe it is C++ and the source has never
been distributed by
Microsoft.


Rick
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 09:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: VFPCom.dll - Which Language?

Would anyone out there know what VFPCOM.DLL is written using? 

Also, if it is VFP itself then whether the source code is available
anywhere?

I think I know that the answer is going to be C++ and the source is
unavailable but thought I'd ask
the question nevertheless to confirm my thoughts.

Dave Crozier





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Re: [NF] Recipe Book into PDF to download

2007-01-26 Thread Malcolm Greene
 CafePress was (much) more expensive than Lulu.

I've used Lulu for printing user manuals. They did a good job and it was
a lot cheaper than local Kinkos, Staples or local print shop.

Malcolm


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RE: [OT] Colbert's comments about globalization

2007-01-26 Thread Alan Lukachko

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:59 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Colbert's comments about globalization

I'll make you a bet..

The only time I bet was on horses about 20 years ago. I gave up on betting
at that time.

You take my resume and rewrite it in any way that is legal and moral and if
you can get me a job paying anywhere near to what I made in 2002, I will
gladly pay you 10% of my first years salary.

The last time I wrote a resume was 1976 to get a job that lasted about 5
years. When they let me go, I said that no one would 'fire' me again. I
learned about being put out to pasture early on in life in my 30s. I started
my own company in 1982 and have had ups and downs since then. I haven't even
done a profile of my company in over 10 years. So I'm not the best person to
ask to write a resume.

I look at close to 1,000 jobs per week and apply for most of them and I
also am a regular on craigslist.org in bidding for work.
I cannot find work unless I'm willing to flip burgers.

During one of the low times no money and no work, I went to work in a
computer store. It lasted about 4 months until the store went bankrupt. The
brother of the store owner introduced me to a couple of his clients to do
software development. He only wanted the hardware business. He and I worked
together as a team - he hardware - me software. This lasted a couple of
years until he started yelling at one of our clients. The client fired him
and asked me to do both hardware and software. 

In 1993, my company co-sponsored the first FoxPro developers' conference in
Canada. From that conference, I got 3 new clients - one was a government
ministry that produced hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue. 

At about the same time, I got on Microsoft's list of FoxPro developers. Over
the next several years, I got a dozen new clients. Those clients in turn
recommended us to others. 

I think it's a matter of finding people or companies that will help to find
clients for you. With the exception of the first few years, most of my
clients have come as a result of word of mouth.

I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do and I hope that you never have
to learn the hard way that us older guys are being put out to pasture in
favor of kids that are willing to work for 10 - 12 bucks per hour because
they live at home with momma.

This year I will turn 60 - does that qualify me as an older guy. I have 25
plus years providing business solutions to my clients. The kids who get
10-12 bucks per hour don't have that experience. If fact, I've gone into
clients where those kids have spent considerable time and money on a project
that just didn't work. I went in and fixed a number of problems in half a
day and didn't even charge the client. A few months later, they called me to
do 2 major re writes and we made over $50,000 in a few months. The client
called this a bargain. The kids couldn't compete.

Like I said, anybody that can find me a 6 figure job paying what I used to
make, well I'll gladly pay you 10% of my check for a year in return for it.


I think you have to give up the idea of getting a 6 figure job. If you're
an older guy, you must have gained a lot of business experience. You can
use this to your advantage. You have to re brand yourself. 

Perhaps you can place an ad in the business section of your local paper. An
ad along the lines of Wanted companies with business systems that don't
work. Or Are you tired of hiring consultants that don't get it. I have 20+
years of experience in developing solid business solutions. You get the
idea. 

Find out the names of the owners, presidents or general managers of local
businesses that you would like to work for. Write letters to them and ask
for there business. Tell them about your business experience. Follow up with
letters and phone calls. It takes anywhere from 3 to 12 contacts to get
their business. It requires persistence and hard work. Just don't give up.
You may get a lot of rejection but eventually you'll get business.

These are the people who have decision making power. They also authorize
payment for your invoices. Get to know them and do the best you can for
them. Even if you screw up, tell them before they find out and correct the
issue as quickly as possible and don't charge for the fix ups.

This has worked for me and in the last 10 years our revenues have been in
the 100s of thousands each and every year. I've developed long term business
relationships and they continue to work for me. One client has been with me
for almost 25 years. We have written and upgraded his system a number of
times and he keeps calling back to do more.

I don't know what else to suggest. It sounds like you have the skills and
experience. It's just that you have to figure out what to do with your
changed environment. 

I wish you the best.
Virgil Bierschwale

Re: Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread Malcolm Greene
Dave,

 I came across an annoying post in the Wine-users discussion board which I 
 monitor from time to time dissing VFP as usual and I've posted a reply.

Excellent response

Beer's on me when you cross the pond,

Cheers,
Malcolm


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Re: Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Cully
I've been trying to run VFP under cxOffice which is a wrapper for WINE.
 VFP last run under cxOffice version 4.2.  I've tried cxOffice 6.0 and
it's still broken.  I'm not sure where to look for the log file that
reports the error however.  It just disappears with no (visible) message.

I hate to say this, but I think I'm giving up on cxOffice.  VFP works
well under VMWare on Linux and that's the route that I recommend to VFP
developers that need VFP on a Linux machine.

$0.02

Dave Crozier wrote:
 I came across an annoying post in the Wine-users discussion board which I
 monitor from time to time dissing VFP as usual and I've posted a reply. The
 message annoyance and my response reads as follows:
 
 I think I made a mistake on the supported until date however, but what the
 hell!
 
 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.user/16486/focus=16487
 
 Hope both Whil and Paul don't mind my response
 
 Matthew Reed said:
 
 Microsoft has made it quite clear that you can't run VFP applications on 
 non-Windows operating systems. They have in the past, and probably would
 not 
 hesitate in the future, to sue people that do so. Also, Visual FoxPro is 
 dead and is at the end of it's life cycle. Don't waste your time learning 
 it.
 
 Mathew, please get your facts correct.
 
 1. Microsoft didn't say to Whil Hentzen or Paul McNett that he couldn't run
 VFP
 on wine. They simply said that VFP runtimes could not be distributed to run
 on a
 non windows platform. They didn't sue or take legal action against either
 of
 Paul or Whil, simply stated the previous fact and asking the protagonists to
 consult their lawyers re the Eula. The VFP Eula is no different to the EULA
 on
 any other Microsoft product so running any other Microsoft produce COULD
 incurr
 the same response from Microsoft. Unless you have very deep pockets though,
 or
 get sponsored by a large organisation you wouldn't want to take the chance
 of M$
 taking you to court, so that is the current situation.
 
 2. VFP is NOT a defunct or dead product. The next release of Sedna will in
 fact
 be supported until 2014 by Microsoft and the main additions to an already
 complete language will be interoperability with the .NET framework, be it
 V1,
 V2, V3 or any of the future versions that are going to manifest themselves -
 just how long a shelf life do you need, especially seeing as how my
 applications
 from the non windows dos days can be simply compiled in the current version
 and
 run NO PROBLEMS. To me, that shows a mature sophisticated package with many
 years life not a dead product.
 
 3. VFP Developers probably have at their disposal the best desktop
 application
 development language bar none and we have had it for a many years. It is the
 rest of the application development languages that are now playing catch-up
 with
 VFP - take the LinQ project for instance. Where do you think this idea came
 from
 - VFP of course, and who are the chief developers in the project - well non
 other than the main architects of VFP.
 
 4. The VFP users/developers out there haven't given up hope of being able to
 run
 VFP apps on Wine completely. In fact there is no problem in developing using
 VFP
 on Wine as that doesn't contravene the Eula at all - the stumbling block is
 the
 distribution of the runtime files with the finished application, but in
 time,
 Microsoft might change their stance. In which case, look forward to the best
 desktop development system appearing on a desktop near you and blowing the
 socks
 of the competition.
 
 In conclusion I really do wish that you guys out there in ra ra development
 land would take your heads out of your backsides and realise that there is
 more
 than one way to skin a cat.
 
 Regards
 Dave Crozier
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread Peter Cushing
Dave Crozier wrote:
 I came across an annoying post in the Wine-users discussion board which I
 monitor from time to time dissing VFP as usual and I've posted a reply. The
 message annoyance and my response reads as follows:

 I think I made a mistake on the supported until date however, but what the
 hell!

 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.user/16486/focus=16487

   
Hi Dave,

ra ra development land - That's a new one on me.  Been to the pub at lunch 
time?  ;-) 

Peter




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RE: [NF] MySql

2007-01-26 Thread Brian Erickson
We are using myisam.  I know that it does not have transaction support and
that is ok with our business logic.

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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [NF] MySql

Brian Erickson wrote:
 Host OS is Debian.  We would get you ssh access to the box so you can do
all
 the configuring.

Debian.. I am using Ubuntu. What kind of set up do ya want? InnoDB or
MyISAM?

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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Alan Lukachko
If you want to move to Ontario, the provincial government provides you with
one of the best health care systems in the world. The most you will pay is
about $900 per year and that's if you earn $150,000 or more. 

It doesn't cover elective surgery like cosmetic plastic surgery or
liposuction or prescription drugs or dental care and some eye care.

It pays for visits to doctors, emergency room and hospital stays. It covers
life threatening surgery and provides semi-private hospital rooms (2 to 4
beds per room).

From age 65 on, no premium is paid. Also at that point, most drugs are
provided at no cost.

Contrary to hyped media reports, wait times are reasonable. My brother in
law is a heart surgeon. He says most heart operations are done within 6
weeks and the survival rate is fairly high. My mother had to have a heart
operation. From the time of diagnosis until the operation took place, it was
about 3 weeks. No cost to my mom.

When my wife had chest pains, I took her to the hospital in Thunder Bay. As
soon as she said she had chest pains, within 2 minutes she was whisked away
and quickly hooked up to an ECG heart monitor. They kept her overnight and
did 3 tests over 24 hours. She was OK. Again no cost.

When we went out west to Alberta, she again had chest pains. I took her to
the hospital. No sooner had she spoke about chest pains, the triage nurse
immediately came from behind the desk, put her in a wheelchair, wheeled her
into emergency and hooked her up to the ECG monitor. Another nurse asked me
for details and health card. I provided the nurse with her OHIP (Ontario
health care) card. They accepted the Ontario card for health care in
Alberta. All Canadian provinces recognize each other's health cards. 

She stayed overnight and had the same 3 types of test as in Ontario. They
even provided dinner and breakfast. She was OK. No cost to us. 

And people who live in Alberta don't even have to pay a premium. They get
the same level of health care in all Canadian provinces.


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Subject: [NF] Medical insurance

Anybody have a great deal on medical insurance?  My
Cobra runs out the end of February.


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RE: Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crozier
I wish Peter!

Dave Crozier

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To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Irate Post to Wine -users

Dave Crozier wrote:
 I came across an annoying post in the Wine-users discussion board which I
 monitor from time to time dissing VFP as usual and I've posted a reply.
The
 message annoyance and my response reads as follows:

 I think I made a mistake on the supported until date however, but what the
 hell!

 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.user/16486/focus=16487

   
Hi Dave,

ra ra development land - That's a new one on me.  Been to the pub at lunch
time?  ;-) 

Peter




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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:13 AM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:
Charlie,

Watch: http://www.thegodmovie.com

Then think.

I viewed the trailer. It appears it's a movie that claims Jesus never existed.

This attack on Christianity is not new. It has been introduced, debunked, 
re-introduced, re-debunked many times in the past 200 or so years (starting 
in the late 1700's).

You may find it interesting to note that the premise that Jesus never 
existed is not introduced by historical scholars. Usually philosopher's, 
atheists, anti-Christian groups, etc, are the ones that like to broach this 
topic. I think the reason this is the case is that there is just way too 
much historical evidence that supports Jesus Christ's life on Earth. As far 
as I know, there are no accepted scholarly claims that Jesus did not exist.

Of course, beyond his existence, the arguments immediately start in about 
whether or not he actually did miraculous things, what he actually said, 
etc. That's where scholars will start to disagree; but they disagree 
primarily because they can't agree on initial premises. E.g. some scholars 
flat out refuse to believe any type of 'miracle' can ever occur. So, solely 
because of that supposition, they refuse to believe most of the recorded 
events in Christ's life. To me that sounds pretty silly and intellectually 
dishonest. It would seem better to just evaluate things based on what was 
written and the context it was written within. Anyway... I'm digressing

I've been through many studies of Biblical, and Christian, criticism; the 
comparisons of Christian teachings to Greek/Babalonian/Sumerian mythology; 
the comparisons of religions; historical research and Biblical 
authenticity; and so on. So when movies like the above come out, I don't 
find them very interesting (unless they purport to have discovered 
something 'new' - which this one does not as far as I can tell). And so I 
just file them under the Da Vinci Code category of fiction or Christian 
attack pieces.

Hmmm That sounded pretty arrogant. I was going to go back and delete 
part of that last paragraph, but I decided to leave it. I don't mean to 
sound arrogant, but I don't want to give the impression that I'm discarding 
opposing views flippantly.

-Charlie



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RE: [OT] Colbert's comments about globalization

2007-01-26 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Sounds like we have similar experiences.
This is not the first time I've been put through the wringer, but it is the
first time I couldn’t find work which would generate the operating capital
so that I could work my way back up and I'd be the first to admit I've had a
very hard time adjusting to it.

I don't tell everything on here, but decided to explain just incase anybody
was curious and hopefully they'll learn from my mistakes.

I live way out in the boonies (90 miles from austin, 70 miles from san
antonio)
There are no computer stores, etc. nearby (25 miles away is the nearest one)
Car should be repo-d today so that will prevent any travelling for awhile.

So I am hoping to finalize a deal today with the local mechanic shop where I
will do his bookkeeping, etc. 3 days per week for 50 per day (this will
cover my apt rent)
At the same time, he has a 16x16 office that is unused on main street and I
will be renting this from him for 50 per week.

I intend to do computer repair, appliance repair, what have you as well as
software development, bookkeeping, tax returns from this office if we do the
deal.

Hopefully that will allow me to make 2 - 500 per week and if that happens,
that will give me some capital where I can start advertising to get more
work.

I will dig my way out of this whole, but without operating capital, it’s a
mite hard digging right now grin 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

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I'll make you a bet..

The only time I bet was on horses about 20 years ago. I gave up on betting
at that time.

You take my resume and rewrite it in any way that is legal and moral 
and if you can get me a job paying anywhere near to what I made in 
2002, I will gladly pay you 10% of my first years salary.

The last time I wrote a resume was 1976 to get a job that lasted about 5
years. When they let me go, I said that no one would 'fire' me again. I
learned about being put out to pasture early on in life in my 30s. I started
my own company in 1982 and have had ups and downs since then. I haven't even
done a profile of my company in over 10 years. So I'm not the best person to
ask to write a resume.

I look at close to 1,000 jobs per week and apply for most of them and I 
also am a regular on craigslist.org in bidding for work.
I cannot find work unless I'm willing to flip burgers.

During one of the low times no money and no work, I went to work in a
computer store. It lasted about 4 months until the store went bankrupt. The
brother of the store owner introduced me to a couple of his clients to do
software development. He only wanted the hardware business. He and I worked
together as a team - he hardware - me software. This lasted a couple of
years until he started yelling at one of our clients. The client fired him
and asked me to do both hardware and software. 

In 1993, my company co-sponsored the first FoxPro developers' conference in
Canada. From that conference, I got 3 new clients - one was a government
ministry that produced hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue. 

At about the same time, I got on Microsoft's list of FoxPro developers. Over
the next several years, I got a dozen new clients. Those clients in turn
recommended us to others. 

I think it's a matter of finding people or companies that will help to find
clients for you. With the exception of the first few years, most of my
clients have come as a result of word of mouth.

I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do and I hope that you never 
have to learn the hard way that us older guys are being put out to 
pasture in favor of kids that are willing to work for 10 - 12 bucks per 
hour because they live at home with momma.

This year I will turn 60 - does that qualify me as an older guy. I have 25
plus years providing business solutions to my clients. The kids who get
10-12 bucks per hour don't have that experience. If fact, I've gone into
clients where those kids have spent considerable time and money on a project
that just didn't work. I went in and fixed a number of problems in half a
day and didn't even charge the client. A few months later, they called me to
do 2 major re writes and we made over $50,000 in a few months. The client
called this a bargain. The kids couldn't compete.

Like I said, anybody that can find me a 6 figure job paying what I used 
to make, well I'll gladly pay you 10% of my check for a year in return for
it.


I think you have to give up the idea of getting a 6 figure job. If you're
an older guy, you must have gained a lot of business 

Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 07:53 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

  I don't know. During this discussion I imagined how I would feel if my
  children were killed. Either by some tragedy or by another person. All I
  can say is that I'd be grief-stricken. Maybe because I'll miss them in the
  few years I have remaining here on Earth

C'mon, you won't miss them the same way as if, say, they'd gone to live
abroad and you'll never see them again.
And if you don't feel that way then it means that your emotions (that
expression of your soul) don't run together with what you claim is your
faith. Ergo your faith is only superficial, it does not encompass the
whole of your soul.

I don't think you've thought it through if you believe children moving 
abroad would be the same feeling as them suddenly dying or being killed. I 
would feel sorrow in both cases, but the latter would be much, much more 
severe.

Now, if you're saying a Christian can never grieve, I don't think you're in 
agreement with Biblical scripture and Christ's teachings.

Also, are you suggesting that once you're a Christian you're suddenly 
perfect? That every thing you do, feel, and say is going to be perfectly 
what God would have you do? I'm pretty sure you realize that is not what 
Christianity teaches either.

And if you're calling me a bad Christian, that's OK. I agree with that (to 
some degree at least). I'm definitely not a perfect Christian. But if 
you're calling me a hypocrite, then I'll disagree with you. But then I have 
the advantage of knowing what's in my heart. Anyway, I definitely feel 
grief when friends and family die. I definitely still fail and sin at 
times. But even at my lowest moments, I know my salvation rests with Christ 
and just meditating on that for a while never fails to bring me joy and peace.

-Charlie



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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Charlie,

What are you coming up next? That evolution has already been debunked too?

I hear all the time religious people claiming that there're plenty of
scientific evidence pointing to criationism and that simply is not true.
Criationism is a ludicrous lie.

I've watched the documentary The God Who Wasn't there. There was no need
for the movie to convince me, because I pretty much already knew what was in
there.

I watched Da Vinci Code and found it very silly. You don't need to tell me
it was a hollywood movie based on a best-seller fiction book.

But the The God Who Wasn't there is not fiction. It isn't even
controversial, as it just shows information available elsewhere.

Before discarding the documentary, watch it first. Or are you scared on
having to THINK FOR YOURSELF and find the truth?

HW



On 1/26/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 03:13 AM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:
 Charlie,
 
 Watch: http://www.thegodmovie.com
 
 Then think.

 I viewed the trailer. It appears it's a movie that claims Jesus never
 existed.

 This attack on Christianity is not new. It has been introduced, debunked,
 re-introduced, re-debunked many times in the past 200 or so years
 (starting
 in the late 1700's).

 You may find it interesting to note that the premise that Jesus never
 existed is not introduced by historical scholars. Usually philosopher's,
 atheists, anti-Christian groups, etc, are the ones that like to broach
 this
 topic. I think the reason this is the case is that there is just way too
 much historical evidence that supports Jesus Christ's life on Earth. As
 far
 as I know, there are no accepted scholarly claims that Jesus did not
 exist.

 Of course, beyond his existence, the arguments immediately start in about
 whether or not he actually did miraculous things, what he actually said,
 etc. That's where scholars will start to disagree; but they disagree
 primarily because they can't agree on initial premises. E.g. some scholars
 flat out refuse to believe any type of 'miracle' can ever occur. So,
 solely
 because of that supposition, they refuse to believe most of the recorded
 events in Christ's life. To me that sounds pretty silly and intellectually
 dishonest. It would seem better to just evaluate things based on what was
 written and the context it was written within. Anyway... I'm
 digressing

 I've been through many studies of Biblical, and Christian, criticism; the
 comparisons of Christian teachings to Greek/Babalonian/Sumerian mythology;
 the comparisons of religions; historical research and Biblical
 authenticity; and so on. So when movies like the above come out, I don't
 find them very interesting (unless they purport to have discovered
 something 'new' - which this one does not as far as I can tell). And so I
 just file them under the Da Vinci Code category of fiction or Christian
 attack pieces.

 Hmmm That sounded pretty arrogant. I was going to go back and delete
 part of that last paragraph, but I decided to leave it. I don't mean to
 sound arrogant, but I don't want to give the impression that I'm
 discarding
 opposing views flippantly.

 -Charlie



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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
Jesus is a prophet in Islam.
Jesus is the Messiah in Christianity

To say that Jesus never existed is silly.



--- Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 03:13 AM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:
 Charlie,
 
 Watch: http://www.thegodmovie.com
 
 Then think.
 
 I viewed the trailer. It appears it's a movie that
 claims Jesus never existed.
 
 This attack on Christianity is not new. It has been
 introduced, debunked, 
 re-introduced, re-debunked many times in the past
 200 or so years (starting 
 in the late 1700's).
 
 You may find it interesting to note that the premise
 that Jesus never 
 existed is not introduced by historical scholars.
 Usually philosopher's, 
 atheists, anti-Christian groups, etc, are the ones
 that like to broach this 
 topic. I think the reason this is the case is that
 there is just way too 
 much historical evidence that supports Jesus
 Christ's life on Earth. As far 
 as I know, there are no accepted scholarly claims
 that Jesus did not exist.
 
 Of course, beyond his existence, the arguments
 immediately start in about 
 whether or not he actually did miraculous things,
 what he actually said, 
 etc. That's where scholars will start to disagree;
 but they disagree 
 primarily because they can't agree on initial
 premises. E.g. some scholars 
 flat out refuse to believe any type of 'miracle' can
 ever occur. So, solely 
 because of that supposition, they refuse to believe
 most of the recorded 
 events in Christ's life. To me that sounds pretty
 silly and intellectually 
 dishonest. It would seem better to just evaluate
 things based on what was 
 written and the context it was written within.
 Anyway... I'm digressing
 
 I've been through many studies of Biblical, and
 Christian, criticism; the 
 comparisons of Christian teachings to
 Greek/Babalonian/Sumerian mythology; 
 the comparisons of religions; historical research
 and Biblical 
 authenticity; and so on. So when movies like the
 above come out, I don't 
 find them very interesting (unless they purport to
 have discovered 
 something 'new' - which this one does not as far as
 I can tell). And so I 
 just file them under the Da Vinci Code category of
 fiction or Christian 
 attack pieces.
 
 Hmmm That sounded pretty arrogant. I was going
 to go back and delete 
 part of that last paragraph, but I decided to leave
 it. I don't mean to 
 sound arrogant, but I don't want to give the
 impression that I'm discarding 
 opposing views flippantly.
 
 -Charlie
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 07:57 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
...
  Hey! Didn't you say we have no control whatsoever over 'god's grace'?
  So if there's nothing you can do to get it, then there's nothing you can
  do to refuse it. Or do you question god's omnipotence?
  ...
 
  I don't recall saying that. I've been saying things like we can't save
  ourselves only God's grace can do that. Is that clearer?

Then it follows that also God's grace can save us, no matter what, god
has that power. Or do you deny god's power?

Nope. I don't deny it. I just think God has told us that He is not going to 
do that. I think my other posts have already clarified this.


  God gave us free will. So we make choices all the time. The most critical
  choice, IMO, is whether or not to accept that we cannot obtain our own
  salvation. E.g. we can't work it off, we can't buy it off, we can't
  intellectualize it, etc. We have to accept God's grace, personally.
 
  So I don't deny God's Omnipotence, but I do think He uses it where He
  wants. So maybe He will bring all souls to Him in the end, I don't know.
  All I know is His words while He was here on Earth say that is not how 
 it's
  going to be.

Well now you blew it man. He didn't speak, Jesus did all the talking and
claimed that it was his father's way.

Well, it's my understanding that Christian belief is that Christ is God. So 
whatever He spoke, taught, etc was what God wanted us to hear.

So, if by all your postings you're basically trying to say that God is not 
limited by what the Bible teaches, OK. Just say so. My response is my 
Christian faith tells me God told mankind what He has done and is planning 
to do via the Bible. I don't look at that as God now suddenly being weak 
and non-omnipotent.

-Charlie



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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Michael Madigan
Well if Creationism is ludicrous, where's the missing
link between ape and man?

I happen to believe in evolution and don't find it
troubling at all.  I believe Adam and Eve were a
parable, as well as Noah and the Ark.  This doesn't
disprove God in any way for me.



--- Helio W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Charlie,
 
 What are you coming up next? That evolution has
 already been debunked too?
 
 I hear all the time religious people claiming that
 there're plenty of
 scientific evidence pointing to criationism and
 that simply is not true.
 Criationism is a ludicrous lie.
 
 I've watched the documentary The God Who Wasn't
 there. There was no need
 for the movie to convince me, because I pretty much
 already knew what was in
 there.
 
 I watched Da Vinci Code and found it very silly.
 You don't need to tell me
 it was a hollywood movie based on a best-seller
 fiction book.
 
 But the The God Who Wasn't there is not fiction.
 It isn't even
 controversial, as it just shows information
 available elsewhere.
 
 Before discarding the documentary, watch it first.
 Or are you scared on
 having to THINK FOR YOURSELF and find the truth?
 
 HW
 
 
 
 On 1/26/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  At 03:13 AM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:
  Charlie,
  
  Watch: http://www.thegodmovie.com
  
  Then think.
 
  I viewed the trailer. It appears it's a movie that
 claims Jesus never
  existed.
 
  This attack on Christianity is not new. It has
 been introduced, debunked,
  re-introduced, re-debunked many times in the past
 200 or so years
  (starting
  in the late 1700's).
 
  You may find it interesting to note that the
 premise that Jesus never
  existed is not introduced by historical scholars.
 Usually philosopher's,
  atheists, anti-Christian groups, etc, are the ones
 that like to broach
  this
  topic. I think the reason this is the case is that
 there is just way too
  much historical evidence that supports Jesus
 Christ's life on Earth. As
  far
  as I know, there are no accepted scholarly claims
 that Jesus did not
  exist.
 
  Of course, beyond his existence, the arguments
 immediately start in about
  whether or not he actually did miraculous things,
 what he actually said,
  etc. That's where scholars will start to disagree;
 but they disagree
  primarily because they can't agree on initial
 premises. E.g. some scholars
  flat out refuse to believe any type of 'miracle'
 can ever occur. So,
  solely
  because of that supposition, they refuse to
 believe most of the recorded
  events in Christ's life. To me that sounds pretty
 silly and intellectually
  dishonest. It would seem better to just evaluate
 things based on what was
  written and the context it was written within.
 Anyway... I'm
  digressing
 
  I've been through many studies of Biblical, and
 Christian, criticism; the
  comparisons of Christian teachings to
 Greek/Babalonian/Sumerian mythology;
  the comparisons of religions; historical research
 and Biblical
  authenticity; and so on. So when movies like the
 above come out, I don't
  find them very interesting (unless they purport to
 have discovered
  something 'new' - which this one does not as far
 as I can tell). And so I
  just file them under the Da Vinci Code category
 of fiction or Christian
  attack pieces.
 
  Hmmm That sounded pretty arrogant. I was going
 to go back and delete
  part of that last paragraph, but I decided to
 leave it. I don't mean to
  sound arrogant, but I don't want to give the
 impression that I'm
  discarding
  opposing views flippantly.
 
  -Charlie
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 08:07 PM 1/25/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
...
  For even more fun, do you deny that God could limit Himself if He so 
 chose?
  In other words, if He made a Covenant with humans, do you think He would
  stick to it?
 

If he is really omnipotent, and always tells the truth (though that
would be a limitation to his omnipotence), then I think he would never
have the desire to do that as that would put limits to him and hence
he'd no longer be omnipotent (that supposing he is limited by logic, if
he is not then I can say nothing about him, nor can you. That is what
some religions state, that you can say nothing about god). Once you
start playing with concepts like Omnipotence, eternity, etc. you get
into contradictions very easily.
...

Yep. Concepts of 'infinity' are beyond our really comprehension. So we end 
up having a language problem trying to explain and understand these things. 
And that's one of the reasons some people have given up in believing in God 
at all. Something that can't fit into their logic/terms simply doesn't 
exist to them.

So, anyway, in regards to these issues, I defer to what Christ taught as 
opposed to trying to make a syntactically perfect lexical argument. Of 
course, if you don't believe in Christ, you wouldn't put any weight into 
what He taught. So, at this point (I'm assuming you don't believe in 
Christ), you and I are at an impasse to take this discussion any further. 
But I think we've explained our respective sides clearly enough.

I hope I've provided some useful information and I thank you for providing 
yours.

-Charlie



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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 02:57 AM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:

 I believe God is real, and the Christian religion is right, based on
faith, what I've researched, and what He's done in my life. 

Billions of Muslims and Hindus (among others) can say exactly the same
thing. Your God is no more real than theirs because of your arguments.

OK. I'm not directly trying to call them liars or anything like that. 
What I am saying is that I do believe there is a spiritual Truth that 
exists. I believe Christianity is the most accurate interpretation of that 
Truth. Others disagree and claim their religion is the accurate 
interpretation. Eventually, some will be right and others wrong.

Yes, I'm a infidel.

I don't believe in God for the exact same reasons I don't believe in Zeus,
Vishnu, Osiris, etc.

OK. What are those reasons?


I'll bring something that Richard Dawkins said: You're an atheist too,
Charlie. Didn't you know it? You're an atheist regarding all deities from
other religions. You just need to go one God further.

OK. That's fine. You can call me an atheist if you want, just make sure you 
also know I'm a Christian as well.

:-)

-Charlie



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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Wow, they certainly taught you how NOT TO THINK very well...

On 1/26/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, I'm a infidel.
 
 I don't believe in God for the exact same reasons I don't believe in
 Zeus,
 Vishnu, Osiris, etc.

 OK. What are those reasons?



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RE: [NF] Trimming posts is vastly more important than top posting for Digest readers

2007-01-26 Thread John Weller
I often get replies to a post before the post.  Leaving text makes them
understandable whereas without they are meaningless so get deleted...then I
find what the post was about but it is too late :-)

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

  I still don't understand why you need to leave material for context. I
  never had any problems figuring out the context from the titles
 and reading
  each message in the thread. Most threads are short enough to
 avoid confusion.





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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:40 PM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:

Wow, they certainly taught you how NOT TO THINK very well...

No need to be insulting. Maybe I should have been more verbose in my 
question, so I'll restate it.

So you say you reject God for the exact reasons you reject the concept of 
Zeus, Vishnu, etc. In my thinking I don't reject God, so I don't believe I 
follow your reasoning. I could perhaps make some guesses, but it would 
probably be better if you provide your reasons for rejection directly.

Does that make it more clear why I wasn't thinking when I posted the 
original question?

-Charlie

On 1/26/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Yes, I'm a infidel.
  
  I don't believe in God for the exact same reasons I don't believe 
 in  Zeus,
  Vishnu, Osiris, etc.
 
  OK. What are those reasons?
 



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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:12 PM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:
Charlie,

What are you coming up next? That evolution has already been debunked too?

I hear all the time religious people claiming that there're plenty of
scientific evidence pointing to criationism and that simply is not true.
Criationism is a ludicrous lie.

I'm not really opposed to evolutionary theory. I think it's quite possible 
that's it was the mechanism God used to bring us about. The problem I have 
with evolution is in a couple areas: first, the most appropriate and best 
study for the proof of evolution should be a historical science, not a 
biological science. Correct? Yet most historical evidence is ignored by 
evolutionary theorists in favor of trying to explain things in terms of 
what might be able to happen biologically. Next, even moving into the 
biological investigations, the problems with probability are ignored. In 
other words, as I recall, the mathematical probability that humans would 
result from the process of evolution is so minute that it is reasonably 
impossible. But that is generally ignored as well by most evolution theory 
supporters (but I think some of the evolutionists do acknowledge the 
problem, and they generally address it by saying the Earth was seeded by 
aliens). These weaknesses of evolutionary theory should be clearly 
presented along with the theory itself, but instead it seems only the 
dogmatic portions of the theory are put forth in classrooms.


I've watched the documentary The God Who Wasn't there. There was no need
for the movie to convince me, because I pretty much already knew what was in
there.

I watched Da Vinci Code and found it very silly. You don't need to tell me
it was a hollywood movie based on a best-seller fiction book.

But the The God Who Wasn't there is not fiction. It isn't even
controversial, as it just shows information available elsewhere.

Before discarding the documentary, watch it first. Or are you scared on
having to THINK FOR YOURSELF and find the truth?

I thought I explained why I didn't watch it. From what I can tell, like you 
said, they don't present anything new. The claim that Jesus didn't exist 
has been put forth in the past and has been refuted (repeatedly). Why would 
I spend money to watch something I already know is incorrect?

By the way, the reason I sort of lumped it in with The Da Vinci Code was 
because the author of that book/movie stated he researched it as if it were 
a documentary. When interviewed he was asked what would he change to make 
the movie a documentary and he basically said he wouldn't change anything. 
So he was trying to present his research as sound. Just like what I'm 
sure this movie has done as well. I haven't seen, nor will I pay for, 
watching the Da Vinci Code movie. I won't pay to watch this one either. If 
it comes out on cable or something like that, I'll probably watch it. In 
general it's good to know what your enemies are thinking. :-)

-Charlie



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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Charlie,

The Bible is a piece of FOLKLORE, written by HUMANS.

Jesus' life, as told by the gospels, have an uncanny similarity with
folklore tales from other cultural traditions.

It's pretty clear it's all made up.

HW


On 1/26/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 OK. I'm not directly trying to call them liars or anything like that.
 What I am saying is that I do believe there is a spiritual Truth that
 exists. I believe Christianity is the most accurate interpretation of that
 Truth. Others disagree and claim their religion is the accurate
 interpretation. Eventually, some will be right and others wrong.

 Yes, I'm a infidel.
 
 I don't believe in God for the exact same reasons I don't believe in
 Zeus,
 Vishnu, Osiris, etc.

 OK. What are those reasons?




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RE: Crossloop integration into VFP

2007-01-26 Thread John Weller
Sounds brilliant!!!

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Crozier
 Sent: 26 January 2007 09:10
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Crossloop integration into VFP


 To All,
 Just to let you know that I am currently in talks with one of the
 developers
 Mrinal Desai at Crossloop talking about the possibility of
 providing an API
 into the Crossloop software so that we can hook into it from VFP.

 For those of you who didn't catch the thread earlier this month regadring
 Crossloop:

 www.Crossloop.com

 Crossloop is a hybrid of VNC with a pretty front end that allows you to
 remote control any PC through firewalls, routers etc., as long as
 the remote
 PC has Internet access they can run either Firefox or IE through.
 Installation is a breeze and the remote site (Host) loads the
 program which
 prompts them a unique security key. You as the client then key
 this security
 key in at your end and the connection is made through a secure encrypted
 server, and best of all it is all free. Once the connection is made the
 remote end confirms the ability for the client (by Name) to
 connect and you
 are off

 Back to the crux of the matter though! I see that being able to add this
 into a VFP app as an installable option to aid in remote diagnostics would
 be a great addition/selling point for those of you who do small bespoke
 development. My thoughts go as follows:

 1. Ability to distribute the Crossloop software with VFP application. This
 it seems wouldn't be a problem to Crossloop but I need to confirm their
 licensing conditions.

 2. Ability to either leave the remote host on standby via VFP and accept
 the client call automatically in the background or pop up the acceptance
 screen through VFP for operator confirmation.

 3. Added ability to transfer files under VFP control to the
 host site from
 the client - this would allow easy version upgrades and bug fixes. This is
 not available at present but is scheduled for development.

 4. Getting a VFP Branded version of Crossloop to help the
 exposure of VFP.

 Mrinal seems to be very enthusiastic about helping develop such
 an interface
 and we, as a group, could help in this. Have any of you any ideas or
 thoughts - good or negative as I said I'd get some feedback from
 the group.
 To say the least he seems to be very enthusiastic about us helping to get
 exposure for the product - which thay have said will ALLWAYS be free, as
 this in turn will get exposure for his company as a whole.

 Apart from that we could show the .Net crew we aren't quite dead yet!

 As the discussion unrolls I'm going to blog about it and keep the group
 posted.

 Comments appreciated.

 Dave Crozier






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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread mrgmhale
Who is your insurance carrier?

Gil

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Cully
 Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:00 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [NF] Medical insurance


 As a lone gunman, insurance is really expensive.  My family is
 relatively healthy so we got a HSA account, aka Health Savings
 Account.  It basically  means that we fund our own insurance (tax
 exempt) for common doctor visits, but BCBS kicks in if the amount goes
 over $5K in a year.  Basically, it's catastrophic insurance.

 What I like about it is that I become the customer of the doctor.
 Normally, the doctor is doing what the insurance company wants him to
 do.  It's amazing how a doctor treats me differently when they learn
 that I'm paying the bill.  I get much better treatment, IMO.

 -Kevin


 Michael Madigan wrote:
  I'm in NJ.
 
  --- Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Anybody have a great deal on medical insurance?
  My Cobra runs out the end of February.
 
  Medical insurance is specific to the locale you
  reside in. I have someone I can recommend if you
  live in the state of Michigan.
 
 
  Rick
  White Light Computing, Inc.
 
  www.whitelightcomputing.com
  www.rickschummer.com
  586.254.2530 - office
  586.254.2539 - fax
 
 
 
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RE: Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread John Weller
Well said Dave

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 I came across an annoying post in the Wine-users discussion board which I
 monitor from time to time dissing VFP as usual and I've posted a 
 reply. The
 message annoyance and my response reads as follows:
 
 


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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Charlie,

The very likely probability of Jesus' life being (mostly) a work of fiction
has been refuted many times, I know. But usually it has been refuted in the
same way as evolutionism has been refuted, usually with silly and
non-scientific arguments.

For example, you're claiming that scientists address evolutionism gaps by
saying alien seeded planet Earth. That is RIDICULOUS. There are scientists
that speculate about it, perhaps some even believe on the possibility, but
those ideas are very far from being accepted as sound scientific theories.
Probably never will. You're putting, as usual, something in scientists'
mouth as to easily refute it. Religious people do that all the time. It's
pure intellectual dishonesty.

It's easy to rebuke lies using another lies.

Look, you are stuck in believing things written BY MEN centuries ago, as if
they are unquestionable truths. A fairy tale who explains everything with
ludicruous ideas.

Do you realise you're using ideas written by tribesmen hundreds of years ago
as a way to guide your life? And at the same time find that other people who
believe in other ancient tribesmen ideas are wrong?

Get a clue!



On 1/26/07, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 03:12 PM 1/26/2007 -0200, Helio W. wrote:
 Charlie,
 
 What are you coming up next? That evolution has already been debunked
 too?
 
 I hear all the time religious people claiming that there're plenty of
 scientific evidence pointing to criationism and that simply is not
 true.
 Criationism is a ludicrous lie.

 I'm not really opposed to evolutionary theory. I think it's quite possible
 that's it was the mechanism God used to bring us about. The problem I have
 with evolution is in a couple areas: first, the most appropriate and best
 study for the proof of evolution should be a historical science, not a
 biological science. Correct? Yet most historical evidence is ignored by
 evolutionary theorists in favor of trying to explain things in terms of
 what might be able to happen biologically. Next, even moving into the
 biological investigations, the problems with probability are ignored. In
 other words, as I recall, the mathematical probability that humans would
 result from the process of evolution is so minute that it is reasonably
 impossible. But that is generally ignored as well by most evolution theory
 supporters (but I think some of the evolutionists do acknowledge the
 problem, and they generally address it by saying the Earth was seeded by
 aliens). These weaknesses of evolutionary theory should be clearly
 presented along with the theory itself, but instead it seems only the
 dogmatic portions of the theory are put forth in classrooms.


 I've watched the documentary The God Who Wasn't there. There was no
 need
 for the movie to convince me, because I pretty much already knew what was
 in
 there.
 
 I watched Da Vinci Code and found it very silly. You don't need to tell
 me
 it was a hollywood movie based on a best-seller fiction book.
 
 But the The God Who Wasn't there is not fiction. It isn't even
 controversial, as it just shows information available elsewhere.
 
 Before discarding the documentary, watch it first. Or are you scared on
 having to THINK FOR YOURSELF and find the truth?

 I thought I explained why I didn't watch it. From what I can tell, like
 you
 said, they don't present anything new. The claim that Jesus didn't exist
 has been put forth in the past and has been refuted (repeatedly). Why
 would
 I spend money to watch something I already know is incorrect?

 By the way, the reason I sort of lumped it in with The Da Vinci Code was
 because the author of that book/movie stated he researched it as if it
 were
 a documentary. When interviewed he was asked what would he change to make
 the movie a documentary and he basically said he wouldn't change anything.
 So he was trying to present his research as sound. Just like what I'm
 sure this movie has done as well. I haven't seen, nor will I pay for,
 watching the Da Vinci Code movie. I won't pay to watch this one either. If
 it comes out on cable or something like that, I'll probably watch it. In
 general it's good to know what your enemies are thinking. :-)

 -Charlie



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Re: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Cully
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Georgia

mrgmhale wrote:
 Who is your insurance carrier?
 
 Gil
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Cully
 Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:00 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [NF] Medical insurance


 As a lone gunman, insurance is really expensive.  My family is
 relatively healthy so we got a HSA account, aka Health Savings
 Account.  It basically  means that we fund our own insurance (tax
 exempt) for common doctor visits, but BCBS kicks in if the amount goes
 over $5K in a year.  Basically, it's catastrophic insurance.

 What I like about it is that I become the customer of the doctor.
 Normally, the doctor is doing what the insurance company wants him to
 do.  It's amazing how a doctor treats me differently when they learn
 that I'm paying the bill.  I get much better treatment, IMO.

 -Kevin


 Michael Madigan wrote:
 I'm in NJ.

 --- Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Anybody have a great deal on medical insurance?
 My Cobra runs out the end of February.

 Medical insurance is specific to the locale you
 reside in. I have someone I can recommend if you
 live in the state of Michigan.


 Rick
 White Light Computing, Inc.

 www.whitelightcomputing.com
 www.rickschummer.com
 586.254.2530 - office
 586.254.2539 - fax



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New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread Fleck, Timothy
Management at my company as a new mandate. 

1. No New VFP Development.
2. No more Crystal report development.

My question is, has anyone had any experience with a desktop reporting
package that is not VFP or Crystal? I am dealing with years of bad
Crystal report writers and a management committed to removing VFP.  

Management says that Crystal is too slow. I said VFP would be great to
create reports, but they don't want anymore VFP development. (Political
issues)

So, I need a desktop reporting package that is not Crystal or Fox, any
ideas?

Or any WOW apps that I can show off using VFP?

Thanks,

Tim


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Re: Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
Bravo!

On 1/26/07, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I came across an annoying post in the Wine-users discussion board which I
 monitor from time to time dissing VFP as usual and I've posted a reply.
 The
 message annoyance and my response reads as follows:




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Any way to get WAN IP in VFP app?

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
I've got code from here that gave the IP and MAC addresses of the 
computer running an app.  Is there a way to get the WAN ip?

-- 
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MB Software Solutions, LLC
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Re: Any way to get WAN IP in VFP app?

2007-01-26 Thread Matthew Jarvis
MB Software Solutions wrote:
 I've got code from here that gave the IP and MAC addresses of the 
 computer running an app.  Is there a way to get the WAN ip?
 

Do you mean the public interface, as in the result of whatismyip.com 
kinda thing?

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Bike Friday - Performance that Packs.
www.bikefriday.com
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Re: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread vbiersch

I've done custom reports for 25 years and the only standard I've ever seen is 
crystal

I don't even know of anything other then fox other then r and r or the foxpro 
report writer
can't remember tje name though
-Original Message-

From:  Fleck, Timothy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj:  New Report Writer?
Date:  Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:42 pm
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To:  profox@leafe.com

Management at my company as a new mandate. 

1. No New VFP Development.
2. No more Crystal report development.

My question is, has anyone had any experience with a desktop reporting
package that is not VFP or Crystal? I am dealing with years of bad
Crystal report writers and a management committed to removing VFP.  

Management says that Crystal is too slow. I said VFP would be great to
create reports, but they don't want anymore VFP development. (Political
issues)

So, I need a desktop reporting package that is not Crystal or Fox, any
ideas?

Or any WOW apps that I can show off using VFP?

Thanks,

Tim


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RE: [NF] Brother DCP 7020 copier, printer, scanner is awesome!

2007-01-26 Thread air
What a coincidence just bought this Brother
DCP 7020 two weeks ago since when I returned
from Orlando my old cannon copier (7 years old)
did not work anymore and the copier tech wanted
to charge $175.00 just to look at it.  I decided
it was time to buy something else and invest the
money in something new.  It is working nicely.

Regards.

AiR

Aida I. Rivera-Benítez, MSMIS
AiR Information Systems, Inc.
Medical Billing Software  Clearinghouse
P.O. Box 270152
San Juan PR 00927-0152
 


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [NF] Brother DCP 7020 copier, printer, scanner is awesome!


FYI we bought this copier, printer, scanner and we are
really happy with it.  It's a laser printer so the per
page cost is reasonable too. 


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Re: [OT] Gonzales warns judges not to meddle

2007-01-26 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 1/26/07, Michael Madigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well if Creationism is ludicrous, where's the missing
 link between ape and man?

Had a look in the mirror lately ?
A+
jml


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RE: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread Dave Crozier
Tim,
The only other thing that springs to mind is the VFP FoxFire package. I
looked at it some time ago and it was very good but looses its appeal when
you look at the possibilities when using the new VFP9 reporting feature as
demonstrated by Doug Hennig at various Devcon's and on his blog.

Dave Crozier


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Fleck, Timothy
Sent: 26 January 2007 18:42
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: New Report Writer?

Management at my company as a new mandate. 

1. No New VFP Development.
2. No more Crystal report development.

My question is, has anyone had any experience with a desktop reporting
package that is not VFP or Crystal? I am dealing with years of bad
Crystal report writers and a management committed to removing VFP.  

Management says that Crystal is too slow. I said VFP would be great to
create reports, but they don't want anymore VFP development. (Political
issues)

So, I need a desktop reporting package that is not Crystal or Fox, any
ideas?

Or any WOW apps that I can show off using VFP?

Thanks,

Tim


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Re: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread Matthew Jarvis
Fleck, Timothy wrote:
 Management at my company as a new mandate. 
 
 1. No New VFP Development.
 2. No more Crystal report development.
 
 My question is, has anyone had any experience with a desktop reporting
 package that is not VFP or Crystal? I am dealing with years of bad
 Crystal report writers and a management committed to removing VFP.  
 
 Management says that Crystal is too slow. I said VFP would be great to
 create reports, but they don't want anymore VFP development. (Political
 issues)
 
 So, I need a desktop reporting package that is not Crystal or Fox, any
 ideas?
 
 Or any WOW apps that I can show off using VFP?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tim
 

a) start looking for a different job  g

b) I recall seeing a well respected reporting package at Devcon I think 
was called eReports or similar... I might even have an old demo disk at 
home with my devcon books...


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RE: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread Rick Quilhot
I've use both R  R Report Writer and FoxFire Report Writer with
Good results.

Rick Q

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Subject: New Report Writer?

Management at my company as a new mandate. 

1. No New VFP Development.
2. No more Crystal report development.

My question is, has anyone had any experience with a desktop reporting
package that is not VFP or Crystal? I am dealing with years of bad
Crystal report writers and a management committed to removing VFP.  

Management says that Crystal is too slow. I said VFP would be great to
create reports, but they don't want anymore VFP development. (Political
issues)

So, I need a desktop reporting package that is not Crystal or Fox, any
ideas?

Or any WOW apps that I can show off using VFP?

Thanks,

Tim


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Re: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Fleck, Timothy wrote:
 Management at my company as a new mandate. 

 1. No New VFP Development.
 2. No more Crystal report development.

 My question is, has anyone had any experience with a desktop reporting
 package that is not VFP or Crystal? I am dealing with years of bad
 Crystal report writers and a management committed to removing VFP.  

 Management says that Crystal is too slow. I said VFP would be great to
 create reports, but they don't want anymore VFP development. (Political
 issues)

 So, I need a desktop reporting package that is not Crystal or Fox, any
 ideas?

 Or any WOW apps that I can show off using VFP?

 Thanks,

 Tim
   

For simple reports, especially including ones that can be run by an 
end-user (read:  non-developer), you might check out Stonefield 
Query.  It works with a variety of non-Fox backends (as well as Fox) and 
seems pretty easy to use.  Free webinars available, iirc.

(F*ck your mgmt if they're dissing the Fox for no good/valid reason.  I 
hate politics---that's why I became an independent.)

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Re: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Matthew Jarvis wrote:
 a) start looking for a different job  g
   
LOL!  I agree!

 b) I recall seeing a well respected reporting package at Devcon I think 
 was called eReports or similar... I might even have an old demo disk at 
 home with my devcon books...
   
It's not eReports.  That's an add-in pkg for VFP.  I use that in my 
apps.  Bo Durban also has something called Moxie Report Writer (or 
something similarly called to that) but I'm not sure if that's an add-in 
too or not?  I think XFRX is an add-in, but not standalone.  Others will 
chime in I'm sure.

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Re: Any way to get WAN IP in VFP app?

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Matthew Jarvis wrote:
 MB Software Solutions wrote:
   
 I've got code from here that gave the IP and MAC addresses of the 
 computer running an app.  Is there a way to get the WAN ip?

 

 Do you mean the public interface, as in the result of whatismyip.com 
 kinda thing?

   
Yes!  But note that I want this all to happen behind the scenes.


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Re: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread Malcolm Greene
Tim,

Check out XFRX - a 3rd party VFP reporting tool. It adds functionality
to the VFP reporting architecture. Highly recommended!

http://www.eqeus.com/

I've used Crystal (hated it) and high end reporting tools like
BusinessObjects and Microstrategy.

Unless the data volumes are huge and you need to do complicated
analytics (BO or Microstrategy) or dashboards, I think you're going to
be hard pressed to beat the capabilities and extensibility of VFP
reports enhanced with XFRX.

Malcolm


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RE: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread Dan Neuman
Another Option is ActiveReports from Data Dynamics.

In the .Net and old VB world, it is becoming the replacement for Crystal
since they do not charge a royalty on the designer.

And they have both a .Net version and a COM version.

We wrote a Custom Report Designer add-on tool to our software in
(don't castrate me) VB6, which is just taking the active reports
designer, and putting in our data connection along with some nice query
tools.

It helps with marketing, and dealing with the IT Managers that have a
problem with fox.  So, as they ask what languauge is the software
written in, we can answer VB and others microsoft technologies.


Dan Neuman


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[OT] For Charlie

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Leafe
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/Bizarro.asp?date=20070126


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Re: [OT] For Charlie

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:22 PM 1/26/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/Bizarro.asp?date=20070126

Seriously, am I coming across as a jerk?

-Charlie 



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Re: New Report Writer?

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Malcolm Greene wrote:
 Tim,

 Check out XFRX - a 3rd party VFP reporting tool. It adds functionality
 to the VFP reporting architecture. Highly recommended!

 http://www.eqeus.com/

 I've used Crystal (hated it) and high end reporting tools like
 BusinessObjects and Microstrategy.

 Unless the data volumes are huge and you need to do complicated
 analytics (BO or Microstrategy) or dashboards, I think you're going to
 be hard pressed to beat the capabilities and extensibility of VFP
 reports enhanced with XFRX.

 Malcolm
   

Tim -- did you want something that is an add-on or a solo app?

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RE: Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread Rodney Dixon
Great response, you have to let us know if you get a response back.

Regards
Rodney

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 I came across an annoying post in the Wine-users discussion board
which I
 monitor from time to time dissing VFP as usual and I've posted a
reply.
 The
 message annoyance and my response reads as follows:


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RE: [NF] Medical insurance

2007-01-26 Thread Rodney Dixon
I sure you just mean Memphis, and not the rest of the great state of TN

Regards
Rodney

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 Europe is a step up over Memphis.   Darfur is a step
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Re: Irate Post to Wine -users

2007-01-26 Thread MB Software Solutions
Rodney Dixon wrote:
 snipped you have to let us know if you get a response back.
   
Probably won't.  Those kinds of cowards are drive-by smearers meaning 
that they don't have the guts to back up their remarks in an intelligent 
debate.


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Re: [OT] For Charlie

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
http://russellsteapot.com/images/rsgallery/original/00150.jpg


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Re: [OT] For Charlie

2007-01-26 Thread Helio W.
LOL

http://russellsteapot.com/images/rsgallery/original/00110.jpg

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Re: [OT] For Charlie

2007-01-26 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 03:54 PM 1/26/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote:
  Seriously, am I coming across as a jerk?

 No, not at all. It just addresses your statement that belief is all
that is necessary, and that acts don't matter.

Ah. Well, at the risk of confusing things again, I'd like to clarify my 
views of acts of a believer.

I believe the Bible teaches that faith in Jesus is all that is required for 
salvation. However, once a person is saved, doing good should occur. 
Maybe the person was doing good before they became saved, maybe not. The 
thing is, if someone claims to be a Christian but continuously commits evil 
acts, there is good reason to doubt they are saved. The book of James in 
the New Testament can be sort of summed up by the phrase Faith without 
works is a dead faith. Guarding one's behavior as a Christian serves at 
least 2 purposes: 1) to show others the grace God has given you, and 2) to 
help you evaluate your relationship with God. If a self-proclaimed 
Christian has absolutely no desire to do good acts in the name of God, it 
would be advisable for that person to re-examine their heart and find out 
what is wrong.

So I hope I didn't derail things. To obtain salvation, works are 
meaningless. But once salvation is obtained, works are important. Not to 
hold on to your salvation, but in the very least for the reasons I cite 
above.

-Charlie



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Re: [OT] For Charlie

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 26, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote:

 So I hope I didn't derail things. To obtain salvation, works are
 meaningless. But once salvation is obtained, works are important.  
 Not to
 hold on to your salvation, but in the very least for the reasons  
 I cite
 above.

Funny thing how all those 'saved' people tend to think that annoying  
others with their faith is a good work, while the rest of us, well,  
just find it annoying.

If people who feel the need to tell others about their faith are the  
ones who are going to be in Heaven, I'm glad I won't be spending  
eternity with them.

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Re: [NF] Trimming posts is vastly more important than top posting for Digest readers

2007-01-26 Thread Nicholas Geti
That is why I like threaded message systems. There are lots of them out 
there being used by the various forums I frequent.


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 Oh, and as for showing context, I think it's definitely best in case
 messages get lost, come in in the wrong order, or just some really...

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