Re: Windows 10 X to support Win32 apps

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

On 11/25/2019 9:35 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2019, at 6:41 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:

I thought we were pretty much told there would be no new operating
systems past Windows 10, so if your VFP app ran on Windows 10 now, then
it was going to run forever.  

Windows 10X is not Windows 10 like on your laptop.

It is a stripped down version intended for the Surface and other similar 
devices. So it's good news in the sense that full-fat Windows 10 will of course 
continue to run 32-bit native Windows executables like Visual Foxpro, because 
why wouldn't it, but the bonus from this is that 10x devices probably will as 
well.



So VFP apps will run on Microsoft Surface as well with Windows 10X?


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Re: Windows 10 X to support Win32 apps

[Alan Bourke]

On Fri, 22 Nov 2019, at 6:41 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> I thought we were pretty much told there would be no new operating 
> systems past Windows 10, so if your VFP app ran on Windows 10 now, then 
> it was going to run forever.  

Windows 10X is not Windows 10 like on your laptop.  

It is a stripped down version intended for the Surface and other similar 
devices. So it's good news in the sense that full-fat Windows 10 will of course 
continue to run 32-bit native Windows executables like Visual Foxpro, because 
why wouldn't it, but the bonus from this is that 10x devices probably will as 
well.

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Re: Windows 10 X to support Win32 apps

[MB Software Solutions, LLC]

I thought we were pretty much told there would be no new operating 
systems past Windows 10, so if your VFP app ran on Windows 10 now, then 
it was going to run forever.  


On 11/22/2019 11:13 AM, Tracy Pearson wrote:

This is good news. From what I gathered from the article the 32 bit apps
will run in container. Not sure what that means yet. Time will tell.
Tracy

https://www.windowslatest.com/2019/11/21/windows-10-x-to-support-win32-apps-
sandbox-other-features/




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Re: Windows 10 Home and VFP9SP2 apps

[Alan Bourke]

Same OS just with various bits not enabled. And lots of very annoying bits 
enabled.

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RE: Windows 10 Home and VFP9SP2 apps

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Home should work no problem...

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VFP9SP2 apps work fine on Windows 10 HOME, right?  I know they work fine on 
Win10 Professional but am double-checking the HOME version.

tia,
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Re: Windows 10 Home and VFP9SP2 apps

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

Thanks Tracey and John!


On 2019-03-01 17:06, Tracy Pearson wrote:

Yes.
VFP 9 installs on HOME, and I have several customers that I've seen 
using

HOME with our product.

Tracy

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Subject: Windows 10 Home and VFP9SP2 apps

VFP9SP2 apps work fine on Windows 10 HOME, right?  I know they work 
fine

on Win10 Professional but am double-checking the HOME version.

tia,
--Mike


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RE: Windows 10 Home and VFP9SP2 apps

[John Weller]

I use VFP9 on Home.

John

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VFP9SP2 apps work fine on Windows 10 HOME, right?  I know they work fine on
Win10 Professional but am double-checking the HOME version.

tia,
--Mike


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RE: Windows 10 Home and VFP9SP2 apps

[Tracy Pearson]

Yes. 
VFP 9 installs on HOME, and I have several customers that I've seen using
HOME with our product.

Tracy

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tia,
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RE: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Dave Crozier]

All connection problems disappeared once we updated both VM, VM Host and TS 
Client OS's to the latest release.

Certainly no problems connecting to SQL (Server 2012 with SQL 2012).

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-Original Message-
From: ProFox  On Behalf Of Paul Hill
Sent: 29 May 2018 18:49
To: ProFox Email List 
Subject: Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive 
(Samba)

Hi Gang,

Does anyone know if MS released a changelog for this Windows release?
I'm seeing odd network issues that are unrelated to my previous problems.

e.g. can't connect to SQL server, access denied errors when creating a 
listening socket.

--
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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Fred Taylor]

So much fun, isn't it?

The only problem we've seen (so far) is the can't connect remote desktop.
Changing the server setting to uncheck the requirement for a secure
connection at least lets that work.
Connecting to SQL server has been noproblem.


Fred

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Paul Hill 
wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> Does anyone know if MS released a changelog for this Windows release?
> I'm seeing odd network issues that are unrelated to my previous problems.
>
> e.g. can't connect to SQL server, access denied errors when creating a
> listening socket.
>
> --
> Paul
>
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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Paul Hill]

Hi Gang,

Does anyone know if MS released a changelog for this Windows release?
I'm seeing odd network issues that are unrelated to my previous problems.

e.g. can't connect to SQL server, access denied errors when creating a
listening socket.

-- 
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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Alan Bourke]

Ceased to be an issue for us by 2010 IIRC

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On Thu, 10 May 2018, at 2:30 PM, Richard Kaye wrote:
> I wonder when those problems were actually fixed, Alan. MS said multiple 
> times that the problem was fixed with this Windows update or that 
> Windows update. After being burned by file corruption multiple times, I 
> stopped believing MS when they said that issues with the newer versions 
> of SMB had addressed the problems with file-based databases like VFP, 
> Access, Paradfox. Plating Russian roulette with my client's databases 
> was just too risky.
> 
> --
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> rk
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> -Original Message-
> From: ProfoxTech <profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com> On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
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> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared 
> drive (Samba)
> 
> IMO despite some initial problems with CDX corruption and SMB2 there has 
> been no reason not to use it for over 10 years since those problems were 
> fixed. If nothing else it is orders of magnitude faster than SMB1.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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RE: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Richard Kaye]

I wonder when those problems were actually fixed, Alan. MS said multiple times 
that the problem was fixed with this Windows update or that Windows update. 
After being burned by file corruption multiple times, I stopped believing MS 
when they said that issues with the newer versions of SMB had addressed the 
problems with file-based databases like VFP, Access, Paradfox. Plating Russian 
roulette with my client's databases was just too risky.

--

rk

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(Samba)

IMO despite some initial problems with CDX corruption and SMB2 there has been 
no reason not to use it for over 10 years since those problems were fixed. If 
nothing else it is orders of magnitude faster than SMB1.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Alan Bourke]

IMO despite some initial problems with CDX corruption and SMB2 there has been 
no reason not to use it for over 10 years since those problems were fixed. If 
nothing else it is orders of magnitude faster than SMB1.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Paul Hill]

It's not about running EXEs, it's about network connections:
> Windows 10 update 1803 does not open *network connections* on executables 
> files on SMBv1 share.

Explains why my ADS was blocked.

People using Samba with SMB2 disable will have this problem too.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & ADS Server

[Paul Hill]

This issue is caused because SMB2 is disabled!
Thanks to Alan Bourke for pointing me in the right direction.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Paul Hill]

On 10 May 2018 at 08:53, Alan Bourke  wrote:
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50172067/sqlconnection-error-if-exe-is-executed-from-network-path
>
> Looking at the above it seems to indicate that you can no longer run EXEs 
> from shared locations when the protocol is SMB1. Having said that SMB1 was 
> superseded in 2007 and deprecated in 2014. Samba supports up to SMB3.

Good catch!

When SMB2 first arrived we had lots of problems so disabled it in some sites.
This is what is causing my ADS Server problem I posted about.

Thanks Alan!!

p.s. found a nice powershell command:  Get-SmbConnection
Shows all your drive mappings and what SMB version they are using.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Mike  wrote:
>
> But I still love to hate Windows.
>

Everyone needs a hobby.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Alan Bourke]

> But I still love to hate Windows.

It's an annoying bugger sometimes.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Mike]

Alan,

Confirmed. Many thanks!

But I still love to hate Windows.

Mike


Alan Bourke wrote:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50172067/sqlconnection-error-if-exe-is-executed-from-network-path

Looking at the above it seems to indicate that you can no longer run EXEs from 
shared locations when the protocol is SMB1. Having said that SMB1 was 
superseded in 2007 and deprecated in 2014. Samba supports up to SMB3.




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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

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I'm placing my bets on your deduction, Alan.

Now to make sure my Samba servers are all up-to-date!

Thank you!

Mike


Alan Bourke wrote:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50172067/sqlconnection-error-if-exe-is-executed-from-network-path

Looking at the above it seems to indicate that you can no longer run EXEs from 
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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50172067/sqlconnection-error-if-exe-is-executed-from-network-path

Looking at the above it seems to indicate that you can no longer run EXEs from 
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Homegroup was removed in 1803, if you're not using a Windows domain due to your 
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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

I don't know if you can find something here :

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletins.aspx



El jue., 10 may. 2018 7:22, Mike  escribió:

> Fernando,
>
> Would love to.
>
> Where to start?
>
> Mike
>
>
> Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:
> > Hi Mike:
> >
> > If you suspect that the problem could be because of a new restriction
> > policy, you may try to find the full description of what did include this
> > update.
> >
> >
> > El jue., 10 may. 2018 5:33, Mike  escribió:
> >
> >> Thanks, Gianni. That's a dead-on exact match for what I've run into.
> >>
> >> But, the TechNet article you referenced seems to point the finger at
> >> SMBv1, or higher not being available.
> >>
> >> While this might be the case, it's obvious that Windows 10 1803 is now
> >> applying additional restrictions when the EXE is launched from a shared
> >> drive instead of local. My EXE connects to MariaDB perfectly if the same
> >> EXE connects to the same server, when started from the local drive.
> >>
> >> While this might be something in the network stack, low-level, it makes
> >> more sense (to me) that it would be a difference in the firewall (tried
> >> disabling it) or security policy settings. I've looked through the local
> >> security policy options (I'm NOT on a domain!) and nothing seems to
> apply.
> >>
> >> The 'answer' in the Technet Forum discussion you sent seems to be to
> >> move the EXE file to a different server (Win Serv 2012 instead of 2008)
> >> but I don't have Windows Server anything...I'm 100% Linux (Samba)
> servers.
> >>
> >> Microsoft, love to hate them.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Gianni Turri wrote:
> >>> Someone on the Italian TechNet Forum had a similar problem but with SQL
> >> server.
> >>> May be you can find something useful in the discussion.
> >>>
> >>> Problemi connessione SQL dopo l'aggiornamento di Aprile 2018
> >>>
> >>
> https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/it-IT/38a6727a-7dce-48ef-8c3e-a69e7847c9b8/
> >>> Gianni
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 9 May 2018 17:35:52 -0500, Mike  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Have already tried that. No change.
> >>>
> >>> To be more precise...it's not that the EXE won't run, it's that the EXE
> >>> can't connect to my Maria DB server.
> >>>
> >>> BUT!
> >>> Since the same application CAN connect to Maria DB if the EXE is run
> >>> locally, this appears to be a security policy issue.
> >>> I am NOT on a Domain!
> >>>
> >>> Still troubleshooting...
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Gianni!
> >>>
> >>> Mike C
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gianni Turri wrote:
>  Try enabling "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support" in "Windows
> features".
> 
>  Gianni
> 
>  On Wed, 9 May 2018 16:23:49 -0500, Mike  wrote:
> 
>  Heads up...
> 
>  After updating to Win 10 Pro 17134 (last night) apps that are stored
> on
> >> a network share (Samba server) will no longer run. Move the EXE file to
> a
> >> local drive and it works fine.
>  Have already disabled firewall, no effect.
>  Have moved all resource (DLL and FLL, OCX, APP) files to a local
> >> folder, no help.
>  Move EXE file to a local folder, runs fine.
> 
>  Same application has run for years as a share, even over a VPN link.
> 
>  Mike Copeland
> 
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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Mike]

Fernando,

Would love to.

Where to start?

Mike


Fernando D. Bozzo wrote:

Hi Mike:

If you suspect that the problem could be because of a new restriction
policy, you may try to find the full description of what did include this
update.


El jue., 10 may. 2018 5:33, Mike  escribió:


Thanks, Gianni. That's a dead-on exact match for what I've run into.

But, the TechNet article you referenced seems to point the finger at
SMBv1, or higher not being available.

While this might be the case, it's obvious that Windows 10 1803 is now
applying additional restrictions when the EXE is launched from a shared
drive instead of local. My EXE connects to MariaDB perfectly if the same
EXE connects to the same server, when started from the local drive.

While this might be something in the network stack, low-level, it makes
more sense (to me) that it would be a difference in the firewall (tried
disabling it) or security policy settings. I've looked through the local
security policy options (I'm NOT on a domain!) and nothing seems to apply.

The 'answer' in the Technet Forum discussion you sent seems to be to
move the EXE file to a different server (Win Serv 2012 instead of 2008)
but I don't have Windows Server anything...I'm 100% Linux (Samba) servers.

Microsoft, love to hate them.

Mike

Gianni Turri wrote:

Someone on the Italian TechNet Forum had a similar problem but with SQL

server.

May be you can find something useful in the discussion.

Problemi connessione SQL dopo l'aggiornamento di Aprile 2018


https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/it-IT/38a6727a-7dce-48ef-8c3e-a69e7847c9b8/

Gianni

On Wed, 9 May 2018 17:35:52 -0500, Mike  wrote:

Have already tried that. No change.

To be more precise...it's not that the EXE won't run, it's that the EXE
can't connect to my Maria DB server.

BUT!
Since the same application CAN connect to Maria DB if the EXE is run
locally, this appears to be a security policy issue.
I am NOT on a Domain!

Still troubleshooting...

Thanks Gianni!

Mike C


Gianni Turri wrote:

Try enabling "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support" in "Windows features".

Gianni

On Wed, 9 May 2018 16:23:49 -0500, Mike  wrote:

Heads up...

After updating to Win 10 Pro 17134 (last night) apps that are stored on

a network share (Samba server) will no longer run. Move the EXE file to a
local drive and it works fine.

Have already disabled firewall, no effect.
Have moved all resource (DLL and FLL, OCX, APP) files to a local

folder, no help.

Move EXE file to a local folder, runs fine.

Same application has run for years as a share, even over a VPN link.

Mike Copeland


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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Fernando D. Bozzo]

Hi Mike:

If you suspect that the problem could be because of a new restriction
policy, you may try to find the full description of what did include this
update.


El jue., 10 may. 2018 5:33, Mike  escribió:

> Thanks, Gianni. That's a dead-on exact match for what I've run into.
>
> But, the TechNet article you referenced seems to point the finger at
> SMBv1, or higher not being available.
>
> While this might be the case, it's obvious that Windows 10 1803 is now
> applying additional restrictions when the EXE is launched from a shared
> drive instead of local. My EXE connects to MariaDB perfectly if the same
> EXE connects to the same server, when started from the local drive.
>
> While this might be something in the network stack, low-level, it makes
> more sense (to me) that it would be a difference in the firewall (tried
> disabling it) or security policy settings. I've looked through the local
> security policy options (I'm NOT on a domain!) and nothing seems to apply.
>
> The 'answer' in the Technet Forum discussion you sent seems to be to
> move the EXE file to a different server (Win Serv 2012 instead of 2008)
> but I don't have Windows Server anything...I'm 100% Linux (Samba) servers.
>
> Microsoft, love to hate them.
>
> Mike
>
> Gianni Turri wrote:
> > Someone on the Italian TechNet Forum had a similar problem but with SQL
> server.
> >
> > May be you can find something useful in the discussion.
> >
> > Problemi connessione SQL dopo l'aggiornamento di Aprile 2018
> >
> https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/it-IT/38a6727a-7dce-48ef-8c3e-a69e7847c9b8/
> >
> > Gianni
> >
> > On Wed, 9 May 2018 17:35:52 -0500, Mike  wrote:
> >
> > Have already tried that. No change.
> >
> > To be more precise...it's not that the EXE won't run, it's that the EXE
> > can't connect to my Maria DB server.
> >
> > BUT!
> > Since the same application CAN connect to Maria DB if the EXE is run
> > locally, this appears to be a security policy issue.
> > I am NOT on a Domain!
> >
> > Still troubleshooting...
> >
> > Thanks Gianni!
> >
> > Mike C
> >
> >
> > Gianni Turri wrote:
> >> Try enabling "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support" in "Windows features".
> >>
> >> Gianni
> >>
> >> On Wed, 9 May 2018 16:23:49 -0500, Mike  wrote:
> >>
> >> Heads up...
> >>
> >> After updating to Win 10 Pro 17134 (last night) apps that are stored on
> a network share (Samba server) will no longer run. Move the EXE file to a
> local drive and it works fine.
> >>
> >> Have already disabled firewall, no effect.
> >> Have moved all resource (DLL and FLL, OCX, APP) files to a local
> folder, no help.
> >> Move EXE file to a local folder, runs fine.
> >>
> >> Same application has run for years as a share, even over a VPN link.
> >>
> >> Mike Copeland
> >>
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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Mike]

Thanks, Gianni. That's a dead-on exact match for what I've run into.

But, the TechNet article you referenced seems to point the finger at 
SMBv1, or higher not being available.


While this might be the case, it's obvious that Windows 10 1803 is now 
applying additional restrictions when the EXE is launched from a shared 
drive instead of local. My EXE connects to MariaDB perfectly if the same 
EXE connects to the same server, when started from the local drive.


While this might be something in the network stack, low-level, it makes 
more sense (to me) that it would be a difference in the firewall (tried 
disabling it) or security policy settings. I've looked through the local 
security policy options (I'm NOT on a domain!) and nothing seems to apply.


The 'answer' in the Technet Forum discussion you sent seems to be to 
move the EXE file to a different server (Win Serv 2012 instead of 2008) 
but I don't have Windows Server anything...I'm 100% Linux (Samba) servers.


Microsoft, love to hate them.

Mike

Gianni Turri wrote:

Someone on the Italian TechNet Forum had a similar problem but with SQL server.

May be you can find something useful in the discussion.

Problemi connessione SQL dopo l'aggiornamento di Aprile 2018
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/it-IT/38a6727a-7dce-48ef-8c3e-a69e7847c9b8/

Gianni

On Wed, 9 May 2018 17:35:52 -0500, Mike  wrote:

Have already tried that. No change.

To be more precise...it's not that the EXE won't run, it's that the EXE
can't connect to my Maria DB server.

BUT!
Since the same application CAN connect to Maria DB if the EXE is run
locally, this appears to be a security policy issue.
I am NOT on a Domain!

Still troubleshooting...

Thanks Gianni!

Mike C


Gianni Turri wrote:

Try enabling "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support" in "Windows features".

Gianni

On Wed, 9 May 2018 16:23:49 -0500, Mike  wrote:

Heads up...

After updating to Win 10 Pro 17134 (last night) apps that are stored on a 
network share (Samba server) will no longer run. Move the EXE file to a local 
drive and it works fine.

Have already disabled firewall, no effect.
Have moved all resource (DLL and FLL, OCX, APP) files to a local folder, no 
help.
Move EXE file to a local folder, runs fine.

Same application has run for years as a share, even over a VPN link.

Mike Copeland


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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Gianni Turri]

Someone on the Italian TechNet Forum had a similar problem but with SQL server.

May be you can find something useful in the discussion.

Problemi connessione SQL dopo l'aggiornamento di Aprile 2018
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/it-IT/38a6727a-7dce-48ef-8c3e-a69e7847c9b8/

Gianni

On Wed, 9 May 2018 17:35:52 -0500, Mike  wrote:

Have already tried that. No change.

To be more precise...it's not that the EXE won't run, it's that the EXE 
can't connect to my Maria DB server.

BUT!
Since the same application CAN connect to Maria DB if the EXE is run 
locally, this appears to be a security policy issue.
I am NOT on a Domain!

Still troubleshooting...

Thanks Gianni!

Mike C


Gianni Turri wrote:
> Try enabling "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support" in "Windows features".
>
> Gianni
>
> On Wed, 9 May 2018 16:23:49 -0500, Mike  wrote:
>
> Heads up...
>
> After updating to Win 10 Pro 17134 (last night) apps that are stored on a 
> network share (Samba server) will no longer run. Move the EXE file to a local 
> drive and it works fine.
>
> Have already disabled firewall, no effect.
> Have moved all resource (DLL and FLL, OCX, APP) files to a local folder, no 
> help.
> Move EXE file to a local folder, runs fine.
>
> Same application has run for years as a share, even over a VPN link.
>
> Mike Copeland
>
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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Mike]

Have already tried that. No change.

To be more precise...it's not that the EXE won't run, it's that the EXE 
can't connect to my Maria DB server.


BUT!
Since the same application CAN connect to Maria DB if the EXE is run 
locally, this appears to be a security policy issue.

I am NOT on a Domain!

Still troubleshooting...

Thanks Gianni!

Mike C


Gianni Turri wrote:

Try enabling "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support" in "Windows features".

Gianni

On Wed, 9 May 2018 16:23:49 -0500, Mike  wrote:

Heads up...

After updating to Win 10 Pro 17134 (last night) apps that are stored on a 
network share (Samba server) will no longer run. Move the EXE file to a local 
drive and it works fine.

Have already disabled firewall, no effect.
Have moved all resource (DLL and FLL, OCX, APP) files to a local folder, no 
help.
Move EXE file to a local folder, runs fine.

Same application has run for years as a share, even over a VPN link.

Mike Copeland


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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & Running EXE from Shared drive (Samba)

[Gianni Turri]

Try enabling "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support" in "Windows features".

Gianni

On Wed, 9 May 2018 16:23:49 -0500, Mike  wrote:

Heads up...

After updating to Win 10 Pro 17134 (last night) apps that are stored on a 
network share (Samba server) will no longer run. Move the EXE file to a local 
drive and it works fine.

Have already disabled firewall, no effect.
Have moved all resource (DLL and FLL, OCX, APP) files to a local folder, no 
help.
Move EXE file to a local folder, runs fine.

Same application has run for years as a share, even over a VPN link.

Mike Copeland

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & ADS Server

[Ricardo Araoz]

"hold off the regular monthly updates for up to 30 days", god! I had 
forgotten what Wd$ was all about. Thanks for the reminder.



On 09/05/18 17:03, Ted Roche wrote:

One of my clients had to recreate all their RDP settings. Whether that
was related to this change, or just because the target machine changed
its DNS name and that didn't show until the monthly reboot, well, we
may never know.

The post I made earlier about blocking the "April Update" also had
some suggestions on settings you could use to hold off the regular
monthly updates for up to 30 days, to let someone else beta-test them
:) I set that up here on the couple of machines running Pro versions
of Windows. Not that I paid for them ;)


On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Fred Taylor  wrote:

Thanks Paul.  Now maybe I'll have to talk someone through how to change it,
since it's a remote site.


Fred

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:


On 9 May 2018 at 20:00, Fred Taylor  wrote:

We don't use Advantage, but we had a problem with a machine trying to use
remote desktop after the latest update for W10.  Had to uninstall it.  It
kept saying something about security corruption.

The old 'Allow remote connections to this computer' is enabled in
system settings and firewall is OK.
There is now a new setting 'Enable Remote Desktop On/Off' in Settings
-> Remote Desktop.

Thanks Microsoft.  I installed this update remotely and now I'm locked out.

--
Paul


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One of my clients had to recreate all their RDP settings. Whether that
was related to this change, or just because the target machine changed
its DNS name and that didn't show until the monthly reboot, well, we
may never know.

The post I made earlier about blocking the "April Update" also had
some suggestions on settings you could use to hold off the regular
monthly updates for up to 30 days, to let someone else beta-test them
:) I set that up here on the couple of machines running Pro versions
of Windows. Not that I paid for them ;)


On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 3:41 PM, Fred Taylor  wrote:
> Thanks Paul.  Now maybe I'll have to talk someone through how to change it,
> since it's a remote site.
>
>
> Fred
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:
>
>> On 9 May 2018 at 20:00, Fred Taylor  wrote:
>> > We don't use Advantage, but we had a problem with a machine trying to use
>> > remote desktop after the latest update for W10.  Had to uninstall it.  It
>> > kept saying something about security corruption.
>>
>> The old 'Allow remote connections to this computer' is enabled in
>> system settings and firewall is OK.
>> There is now a new setting 'Enable Remote Desktop On/Off' in Settings
>> -> Remote Desktop.
>>
>> Thanks Microsoft.  I installed this update remotely and now I'm locked out.
>>
>> --
>> Paul
>>
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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & ADS Server

[Fred Taylor]

Thanks Paul.  Now maybe I'll have to talk someone through how to change it,
since it's a remote site.


Fred

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:

> On 9 May 2018 at 20:00, Fred Taylor  wrote:
> > We don't use Advantage, but we had a problem with a machine trying to use
> > remote desktop after the latest update for W10.  Had to uninstall it.  It
> > kept saying something about security corruption.
>
> The old 'Allow remote connections to this computer' is enabled in
> system settings and firewall is OK.
> There is now a new setting 'Enable Remote Desktop On/Off' in Settings
> -> Remote Desktop.
>
> Thanks Microsoft.  I installed this update remotely and now I'm locked out.
>
> --
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>
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RE: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & ADS Server

[Richard Kaye]

We also had some fall-out from the Windows updates just released. This link 
seems to describe the root cause:

https://itluke.online/2018/03/29/solved-authentication-error-function-not-supported/

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On 9 May 2018 at 20:00, Fred Taylor <fbtay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We don't use Advantage, but we had a problem with a machine trying to use
> remote desktop after the latest update for W10.  Had to uninstall it.  It
> kept saying something about security corruption.

The old 'Allow remote connections to this computer' is enabled in
system settings and firewall is OK.
There is now a new setting 'Enable Remote Desktop On/Off' in Settings
-> Remote Desktop.

Thanks Microsoft.  I installed this update remotely and now I'm locked out.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & ADS Server

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On 9 May 2018 at 20:00, Fred Taylor  wrote:
> We don't use Advantage, but we had a problem with a machine trying to use
> remote desktop after the latest update for W10.  Had to uninstall it.  It
> kept saying something about security corruption.

The old 'Allow remote connections to this computer' is enabled in
system settings and firewall is OK.
There is now a new setting 'Enable Remote Desktop On/Off' in Settings
-> Remote Desktop.

Thanks Microsoft.  I installed this update remotely and now I'm locked out.

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Re: Windows 10 April 2018 Update & ADS Server

[Fred Taylor]

We don't use Advantage, but we had a problem with a machine trying to use
remote desktop after the latest update for W10.  Had to uninstall it.  It
kept saying something about security corruption.
.

Fred

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:26 AM, Paul Hill  wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> Just a heads up.  I currently have 5 legacy sites running Advantage
> Database Server down after installing the latest Windows 10 update.
>
> Tried the usual tricks (firewall, anti-virus etc) but no joy.
>
> Not sure if there are any Fox folks using this, but it's commonly used
> with xBase++.
>
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>
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Re: Windows 10 Home edition (was Re: Listbox auto-magically filters unwanted characters)

[Man-wai Chang]

If you are only using US English in language settings, nothing would go bad. :)

But I noticed that some differences regarding Chinese Hong Kong
Language Pack between Home and Professional. It seemed that Win 10
Home didn't install Hong Kong's Supplementary Character Set. I didn't
noticed the same problem with my old Win 10 Professional install.

Maybe I did something wrong, needed a few more Win 10 clean installs
to verify. I needed to test more carefully.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Jürgen Wondzinski  wrote:
> ah that "I thought I heard"   How rumors are given birth.
>
> Nope, there's absolutely no difference between Windows Home and Windows Pro
> in regard of VFP9
>
>
> >
> > I thought I heard that Home edition didn't work as well with VFP apps.
> > Is that true?


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RE: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Massively Broken

[Ken Dibble]

That's why it's Russian Roulette.

In Russia, mess clean up YOU!

(Apologies to Yakov Smirnov)

Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org

Nice one! Of course, in original version - you can't clean up your 
own mess!! Somebody else has to do it for you.


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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Kurt Wendt <kurt_we...@globetax.com> wrote:
> So - it's the Windows version of Russian Roulette!   :-)

Well, except you don't get any vodka...

... and you have to clean up the mess after you lose ;^)


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RE: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Massively Broken

[Kurt Wendt]

Nice one! Of course, in original version - you can't clean up your own mess!! 
Somebody else has to do it for you.

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Kurt Wendt <kurt_we...@globetax.com> wrote:
> So - it's the Windows version of Russian Roulette!   :-)

Well, except you don't get any vodka...

... and you have to clean up the mess after you lose ;^)


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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Massively Broken

[Vince Teachout]

On 8/4/2016 2:57 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Kurt Wendt  wrote:

So - it's the Windows version of Russian Roulette!   :-)


Well, except you don't get any vodka...

... and you have to clean up the mess after you lose ;^)


Oh, that is just cold. :-)



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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Massively Broken

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Kurt Wendt  wrote:
> So - it's the Windows version of Russian Roulette!   :-)

Well, except you don't get any vodka...

... and you have to clean up the mess after you lose ;^)


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RE: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Massively Broken

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So - it's the Windows version of Russian Roulette!   :-)

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Paul Hill <paulroberth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 August 2016 at 17:12, Ken Dibble <krdib...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Even more reasons why we all should bend over and let Microsoft force 
>> "updates" on us, and why software professionals should advise people 
>> that this is a fine idea.
>
> No problems here.  System Restore is still enabled too.
>

Well, sure. That's the fun of playing "Windows Update" -- no two games ever 
come out the same!


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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Massively Broken

[Ted Roche]

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Paul Hill  wrote:
> On 4 August 2016 at 17:12, Ken Dibble  wrote:
>>
>> Even more reasons why we all should bend over and let Microsoft force
>> "updates" on us, and why software professionals should advise people that
>> this is a fine idea.
>
> No problems here.  System Restore is still enabled too.
>

Well, sure. That's the fun of playing "Windows Update" -- no two games
ever come out the same!


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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Massively Broken

[Paul Hill]

On 4 August 2016 at 17:12, Ken Dibble  wrote:
> Woody Leonhard, I guy I trust:
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104389/microsoft-windows/the-case-against-windows-10-anniversary-update-grows.html
>
> Even more reasons why we all should bend over and let Microsoft force
> "updates" on us, and why software professionals should advise people that
> this is a fine idea.

No problems here.  System Restore is still enabled too.

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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Massively Broken

[Ted Roche]

This really sounds like a re-run of the horrors they had with rolling
out version 3.11 of Windows for Workgroups.

And every single version since then.

Bill's gone, Steve's gone, and yet...

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Ken Dibble  wrote:
> Woody Leonhard, I guy I trust:
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104389/microsoft-windows/the-case-against-windows-10-anniversary-update-grows.html
>
> Even more reasons why we all should bend over and let Microsoft force
> "updates" on us, and why software professionals should advise people that
> this is a fine idea.
>
> Windows Automatic Updates: Just Say No. (TM)
>
> Ken Dibble
> www.stic-cil.org
>
>
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Sytze de Boer]

Update
Thank you all for your comments/opinions or otherwise.

My client has reversed the Win10 update and all is well again.
i.e. same pc, same office, no change to my application.

It simply fails to "append general", as in it skips this line in my code.
So now I have time to apply a work-around.





On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:05 AM, <
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote:

> On 2016-07-27 04:59, Alan Bourke wrote:
>
>> I just tested this under Windows 10, VFP9 SP2 and a small table with a
>> general field linked to Word 2016 .docx files. It seems to indeed work
>> fine once I set the properties of the report field to 'Scale Picture -
>> Retain Shape'.
>>
>> So again I would strongly suspect path resolution issues.
>>
>
>
> Ever since folks long ago suggested to NOT embed files into General fields
> (but rather store the LINK to the file instead), I avoided using General
> fields.
>
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

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On 2016-07-27 04:59, Alan Bourke wrote:

I just tested this under Windows 10, VFP9 SP2 and a small table with a
general field linked to Word 2016 .docx files. It seems to indeed work
fine once I set the properties of the report field to 'Scale Picture -
Retain Shape'.

So again I would strongly suspect path resolution issues.



Ever since folks long ago suggested to NOT embed files into General 
fields (but rather store the LINK to the file instead), I avoided using 
General fields.


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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Ted Roche]

In my case, I started with an invoice already in a PDF, as that's how
I send them to clients. I'm a big fan of PDF for this purpose: they're
not (easily) modified, the print pretty at the client's site
regardless of their printers, and they make a professional appearance.
Word, not so much.

Here's what I did to get an invoice to display on a report:

CREATE TABLE example FREE (examplepk i autoinc, invoice g)
APPEND BLANK
APPEND GENERAL invoice from sampleinvoice.pdf LINK
CREATE REPORT example FROM example.dbf
REPORT FORM example preview
MODIFY REPORT example
* Add in the general field and mess around with layout settings,
settling on "Clip Contents"
* The report shows up with a big blue 'e' -- a classic error message!
This is the icon for Windows Edge,
* in this case, the default PDF handler for Win10.
* Visit the Adobe site, download the Adobe Reader DC and follow the
prompts to make it the default handler.
* REPEAT the Append General step (since the first general field is
linked to Edge) and Preview the Report.
* Voila! WYSIWYG Invoice on a report form in six lines of code.



On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Ted Roche  wrote:
> Okay, Sytze, Alan says it works fine.
>
> Is it possible that you are trying to run 64-bit Office from within
> (always 32-bit) Visual FoxPro? That might cause a problem.
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Alan Bourke  wrote:
>> I just tested this under Windows 10, VFP9 SP2 and a small table with a
>> general field linked to Word 2016 .docx files. It seems to indeed work
>> fine once I set the properties of the report field to 'Scale Picture -
>> Retain Shape'.
>>
>> So again I would strongly suspect path resolution issues.
>>
>> --
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>>   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
>>
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Ted Roche]

Okay, Sytze, Alan says it works fine.

Is it possible that you are trying to run 64-bit Office from within
(always 32-bit) Visual FoxPro? That might cause a problem.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Alan Bourke  wrote:
> I just tested this under Windows 10, VFP9 SP2 and a small table with a
> general field linked to Word 2016 .docx files. It seems to indeed work
> fine once I set the properties of the report field to 'Scale Picture -
> Retain Shape'.
>
> So again I would strongly suspect path resolution issues.
>
> --
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>   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
>
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Man-wai Chang]

That's how most do it!

Storing those files outside of VFP DBF files actually improve security
and ease of management. You can make use of the file sytsem's features
to manage them. In the case of extreme security breaches, you could
just relocate if not delete the file, instead of having to dig into a
GENERAL data type. Remember: it takes time to search then bang.mp3 a
record in DBF!

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Paul Newton  wrote:
> Yes, if you have the full path to the document file name you can use
> shellexecute to print it ...
> but you _might_ have to contend with a print dialog popping up

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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

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I just tested this under Windows 10, VFP9 SP2 and a small table with a
general field linked to Word 2016 .docx files. It seems to indeed work
fine once I set the properties of the report field to 'Scale Picture -
Retain Shape'.

So again I would strongly suspect path resolution issues.

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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

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On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 10:11 PM, Sytze de Boer wrote:
> Yes, I'm trying to print the Doc file embedded in a report. Like you can
> with a picture.

I'm amazed that *ever* worked without getting involved in
ReportListeners.

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RE: Windows 10 and Append General

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Yes, if you have the full path to the document file name you can use 
shellexecute to print it ... but you _might_ have to contend with a print 
dialog popping up

-Original Message-
From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Sytze de 
Boer
Sent: 26 July 2016 22:12
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Windows 10 and Append General

Yes, I'm trying to print the Doc file embedded in a report. Like you can with a 
picture.




On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Ted Roche <tedro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Sytze de Boer <sytze.k...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > My remaining issue though, is there some way I can print a report 
> > with
> the
> > DOC file details.? (In much the same way as printing a report with a 
> > JPG file, or otherwise)
> >
>
> I'm sorry for being dense, but what do you mean by that?
>
> Are DOC file details the author's name and number of characters, e.g., 
> the properties, or
>
> Are you trying to print the DOC file, perhaps as an image embedded in 
> a FoxPro FRX report?
>
>
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Sytze de Boer  wrote:
>
> My remaining issue though, is there some way I can print a report with the
> DOC file details.? (In much the same way as printing a report with a JPG
> file, or otherwise)
>

I'm sorry for being dense, but what do you mean by that?

Are DOC file details the author's name and number of characters, e.g.,
the properties, or

Are you trying to print the DOC file, perhaps as an image embedded in
a FoxPro FRX report?


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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Sytze de Boer]

Yes, I'm trying to print the Doc file embedded in a report. Like you can
with a picture.




On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Ted Roche  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Sytze de Boer 
> wrote:
> >
> > My remaining issue though, is there some way I can print a report with
> the
> > DOC file details.? (In much the same way as printing a report with a JPG
> > file, or otherwise)
> >
>
> I'm sorry for being dense, but what do you mean by that?
>
> Are DOC file details the author's name and number of characters, e.g.,
> the properties, or
>
> Are you trying to print the DOC file, perhaps as an image embedded in
> a FoxPro FRX report?
>
>
> --
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Sytze de Boer]

Thank you all for your opinions/advice.

I am happy to NOT store data in the General field, since the data is
already saved in DOC format, which is unique to each invoice.
("INV"+alltrim(str(invnum))+".DOC"

My remaining issue though, is there some way I can print a report with the
DOC file details.? (In much the same way as printing a report with a JPG
file, or otherwise)



On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Gene Wirchenko  wrote:

> [reordered to chronological]
>
> At 02:26 2016-07-26, Dave Crozier  wrote:
>
> -Original Message-
>> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Sytze de Boer
>> Sent: 26 July 2016 04:46
>> To: profox 
>> Subject: Windows 10 and Append General
>>
>> So I have used this approach for 20 years and it has always worked My
>> client prepares an invoice using Word The file is
>> "INV"+alltrim(str(invnum))+".DOC"
>> E.g. INV12345.DOC
>>
>
>  Not a solution to your problem, but you might try
>   transform(invnum)
> instead of the alltrim(str()).
>
>
> No, No, No ... General fields are the work of the devil bloated memo
>> files, VFP table size restrictions, links that get mysteriously corrupted,
>> slow as hell  etc.
>>
>
>  One advantage of general fields is that the short form of the keyword
> is my first name.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gene Wirchenko
>
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RE: Windows 10 and Append General

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[reordered to chronological]

At 02:26 2016-07-26, Dave Crozier  wrote:


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Sent: 26 July 2016 04:46
To: profox 
Subject: Windows 10 and Append General

So I have used this approach for 20 years and it has always worked 
My client prepares an invoice using Word The file is 
"INV"+alltrim(str(invnum))+".DOC"

E.g. INV12345.DOC


 Not a solution to your problem, but you might try
  transform(invnum)
instead of the alltrim(str()).


No, No, No ... General fields are the work of the devil bloated 
memo files, VFP table size restrictions, links that get mysteriously 
corrupted, slow as hell  etc.


 One advantage of general fields is that the short form of the 
keyword is my first name.


Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko


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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Koen Piller  wrote:

> And Ted yes I am with you when changing functional good running code.
> However Sytze has a problem with exactly that. So in this case it is my
> opinion to change completely and dont store anything in a General Field but
> change the code I am sure he will solve his problem that way.
> Koen

We are in agreement more than not. My solution might fix his problem
today; your solution, forever.


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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Koen Piller]

Alan
I mistread sure my advise was for Sytze.
And Ted yes I am with you when changing functional good running code.
However Sytze has a problem with exactly that. So in this case it is my
opinion to change completely and dont store anything in a General Field but
change the code I am sure he will solve his problem that way.
Koen

Op dinsdag 26 juli 2016 heeft Alan Bourke  het
volgende geschreven:

> > Alan,
> >
> > Donot store anything in GeneralFields, and if you must than donot.
>
> I don't. The original questioner did.
>
> > Just store the fullpath in of the .doc .xls or whatever file in your memo
> > field.
>
> I generally store a relative path beneath a defined root location and
> retrieve files when needed as root location + relative path.
>
> Storing a full UNC path or (shudder) path with a drive letter is a bad
> idea because you'll have to re-path everything when the server changes
> or the data\external files are otherwise moved, or file shares change.
> If you do it the way described above you only have to change the root
> location definition in one place.
>
>
>
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Alan Bourke]

> Alan,
> 
> Donot store anything in GeneralFields, and if you must than donot.

I don't. The original questioner did.

> Just store the fullpath in of the .doc .xls or whatever file in your memo
> field.

I generally store a relative path beneath a defined root location and
retrieve files when needed as root location + relative path.

Storing a full UNC path or (shudder) path with a drive letter is a bad
idea because you'll have to re-path everything when the server changes
or the data\external files are otherwise moved, or file shares change.
If you do it the way described above you only have to change the root
location definition in one place.



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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Ted Roche]

Well, I think the effect that Sytze was depending on was the feature
of General fields that store a bitmap image of the linked OLE object
in the field, suitable, in some cases, for printing. That's how the
FRX report worked.

It's a dangerous thing to depend on, since different OLE servers store
different kinds of bitmaps -- some just put the application's icon in
the General field, others store a hi-res image that takes up huge
amounts of space.

There are definitely different ways of getting the effect Sytze's
after, but I'm a big fan of minimizing changes in production code in
the field, and most of the solutions would entail a new way of
generating, storing and producing reports, which is likely too costly
if a quick workaround is available.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Koen Piller  wrote:
> Alan,
>
> Donot store anything in GeneralFields, and if you must than donot.
> Just store the fullpath in of the .doc .xls or whatever file in your memo
> field.
> Advise you to change your code and I can garantee you will be a happy
> foxpro user again.
> Regards,
> Koen
>
> 2016-07-26 9:46 GMT+02:00 Alan Bourke :
>
>> > It seems this no longer works with Win10
>>
>> I don't know why it wouldn't work with Windows 10 other than you are
>> linking it and it can't resolve the path in the link.
>>
>> If you do MODIFY GENERAL does it bring up the .DOC?
>>
>> Frankly I'm surprised it worked on a report layout in *any* OS. The help
>> states:
>>
>> "If the General field in the table contains data other than an image
>> file, such as a Microsoft Excel or Microsoft Word document, an icon
>> representing that data appears on the report or label when you generate
>> output for it. "
>>
>> Are you saying it would actually print the contents of the .DOC
>> previously ?
>>
>> I assume the PC has 32-bit MS Word installed ?
>>
>>
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>>   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
>>
>>
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Koen Piller]

Alan,

Donot store anything in GeneralFields, and if you must than donot.
Just store the fullpath in of the .doc .xls or whatever file in your memo
field.
Advise you to change your code and I can garantee you will be a happy
foxpro user again.
Regards,
Koen

2016-07-26 9:46 GMT+02:00 Alan Bourke :

> > It seems this no longer works with Win10
>
> I don't know why it wouldn't work with Windows 10 other than you are
> linking it and it can't resolve the path in the link.
>
> If you do MODIFY GENERAL does it bring up the .DOC?
>
> Frankly I'm surprised it worked on a report layout in *any* OS. The help
> states:
>
> "If the General field in the table contains data other than an image
> file, such as a Microsoft Excel or Microsoft Word document, an icon
> representing that data appears on the report or label when you generate
> output for it. "
>
> Are you saying it would actually print the contents of the .DOC
> previously ?
>
> I assume the PC has 32-bit MS Word installed ?
>
>
> --
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>   alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
>
>
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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Ted Roche]

Sytze:

As you're coming to learn, depending on Microsoft to maintain their
APIs and compatibility from version to version is a gamble.

Unless there's some reason the client wants to edit their invoices
after sending, rather than saving in Word, have them save a PDF file.
Test out your code to see if you can work with that. That's likely the
quickest and simplest solution: get out of Office formats!

Second point, don't use '&' unless you absolutely have to: the '&' is
shorthand for "recompile this entire line using the values at runtime"
and invokes the entire parser and compiler. It is slower, and it also
chokes if there are spaces or some special characters in the file
name. Most of the time, you can use the parentheses () when just
substituting a filename into a command.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/4kxhy0aa(v=vs.80).aspx

http://www.tomorrowssolutionsllc.com/Articles/Handling%20Code%20that%20Changes%20at%20Runtime.pdf



On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Sytze de Boer  wrote:
> So I have used this approach for 20 years and it has always worked
> My client prepares an invoice using Word
> The file is "INV"+alltrim(str(invnum))+".DOC"
> E.g. INV12345.DOC
>
> The system says
> append general rtfgen from  LINK
>
> It is then easy to print this on the report
>
> It seems this no longer works with Win10
>
> My thoughts at this time are to no longer store the data in a General
> field, and to print the DOC file as part of the report.
> BUT, I can't figure how to do that.
> I can print pictures, BMP's, Gif's etc, but not a Doc file
>
> Can anyone throw some light on this, or offer some suggestions?
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Sytze de Boer
>
>
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RE: Windows 10 and Append General

[Dave Crozier]

Alan,
That is what I meant to say!!!. 

The majority of apps I have ever written tend to use a single database anyhow 
and I must admit I prefer SQLExpress to MySQL (MariaDB) and/or its derivatives 
because of its ease of installation and seamless integration into other 
Microsoft languages/products.

Dave

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 Dave Crozier wrote:

> Even SQLExpress can now hold over 100Gb of data

Currently it is 10GB per database, you can have as many databases as disk space 
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 Dave Crozier wrote:

> Even SQLExpress can now hold over 100Gb of data 

Currently it is 10GB per database, you can have as many databases as
disk space allows.

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RE: Windows 10 and Append General

[Dave Crozier]

No, No, No ... General fields are the work of the devil bloated memo files, 
VFP table size restrictions, links that get mysteriously corrupted, slow as 
hell  etc.

Better to store your binary data outside VFP in a SQL server of some type which 
is made for the job and/or just store links to the Binary data (Pictures, 
Spreadsheets etc.)

Years of seeing people try general fields and eventually giving up but 
generating themselves loads of grief in the process has lead me to these 
conclusions. Even SQLExpress can now hold over 100Gb of data (May be more now) 
and it is free, reliable and simple to use as a road to running full SQL. We 
started our system this way and now host 17Tb of scanned data online. Try that 
with General fields!!!

Dave


-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Sytze de Boer
Sent: 26 July 2016 04:46
To: profox 
Subject: Windows 10 and Append General

So I have used this approach for 20 years and it has always worked My client 
prepares an invoice using Word The file is "INV"+alltrim(str(invnum))+".DOC"
E.g. INV12345.DOC

The system says
append general rtfgen from  LINK

It is then easy to print this on the report

It seems this no longer works with Win10

My thoughts at this time are to no longer store the data in a General field, 
and to print the DOC file as part of the report.
BUT, I can't figure how to do that.
I can print pictures, BMP's, Gif's etc, but not a Doc file

Can anyone throw some light on this, or offer some suggestions?

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RE: Windows 10 and Append General

[Allen Pollard]

Not saving in Program files are you?
That's a no no now.
Al


-Original Message-
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Bourke
Sent: 26 July 2016 09:47
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Windows 10 and Append General

> It seems this no longer works with Win10

I don't know why it wouldn't work with Windows 10 other than you are
linking it and it can't resolve the path in the link. 

If you do MODIFY GENERAL does it bring up the .DOC?

Frankly I'm surprised it worked on a report layout in *any* OS. The help
states: 

"If the General field in the table contains data other than an image
file, such as a Microsoft Excel or Microsoft Word document, an icon
representing that data appears on the report or label when you generate
output for it. " 

Are you saying it would actually print the contents of the .DOC
previously ?

I assume the PC has 32-bit MS Word installed ?


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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Alan Bourke]

> It seems this no longer works with Win10

I don't know why it wouldn't work with Windows 10 other than you are
linking it and it can't resolve the path in the link. 

If you do MODIFY GENERAL does it bring up the .DOC?

Frankly I'm surprised it worked on a report layout in *any* OS. The help
states: 

"If the General field in the table contains data other than an image
file, such as a Microsoft Excel or Microsoft Word document, an icon
representing that data appears on the report or label when you generate
output for it. " 

Are you saying it would actually print the contents of the .DOC
previously ?

I assume the PC has 32-bit MS Word installed ?


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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Man-wai Chang]

I don't use the GENERAL data type in VFP.
I always think It's better to store binary data outside of DBF.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Sytze de Boer  wrote:
> So I have used this approach for 20 years and it has always worked
> My client prepares an invoice using Word
> The file is "INV"+alltrim(str(invnum))+".DOC"
> E.g. INV12345.DOC
> The system says
> append general rtfgen from  LINK

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Re: Windows 10 and Append General

[Mike Copeland]

Here's (possibly) some helpful info.

I have a client that I upgraded from Win7 to 10, and he uses Excel a 
LOT. There's a website that he goes to and they have a link he clicks 
that downloads a collection of data that is autoloaded from the browser 
into Excel. Well, after working for years with Win7, now with Win10 he 
clicks and the web page opens Excel, but there's no data.


I haven't solved the problem yet, but I suspect that a registry link 
that connects data types (i.e., CSV) is no longer there or it's broken. 
So, I'm going to uninstall and reinstall Office on Win10 to see if that 
solves the linkage problem.


My point being that your app was probably depending on some connection 
provided by the registry (provided by the installation of Word) that is 
now broken.


Hope that helps somehow.

Mike

Sytze de Boer wrote:

So I have used this approach for 20 years and it has always worked
My client prepares an invoice using Word
The file is "INV"+alltrim(str(invnum))+".DOC"
E.g. INV12345.DOC

The system says
append general rtfgen from  LINK

It is then easy to print this on the report

It seems this no longer works with Win10

My thoughts at this time are to no longer store the data in a General
field, and to print the DOC file as part of the report.
BUT, I can't figure how to do that.
I can print pictures, BMP's, Gif's etc, but not a Doc file

Can anyone throw some light on this, or offer some suggestions?




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RE: Windows 10 tablet Mode keyboard

[Tracy Pearson]

Using the CLSID {054AAE20-4BEA-4347-8A35-64A533254A9D}, the LocalServer32
key has a default value that will point to the TabTip.exe. Running that will
launch the onscreen keyboard.

I dug through a patch to some code to discover that.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8643501=diff


HTH,
Tracy


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Crozier
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:33 AM
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Windows 10 tablet Mode keyboard

Any of you guys know how to activate the on screen keyboard when using VFP
on a windows 10 tablet? The option to auto display the keyboard when text
entry is required in the control panel doesn't seem to work with VFP but
does with any other program like notepad etc.

I remember back in the days of XP tablet handwriting recognition days  that
you could force the keyboard to appear and this is what I want to do. If
this is the case then I can build it into my base class text and edit boxes.
Having to manually display the keyboard, then enter text then hide it is a
real pain and isn't acceptable to the operators.

Have googled it extensively but can't find an answer.. I wonder if it is one
of those things that just will not work with VFP probably because the API
set used in its design wasn't the standard Windows one.

Dave


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RE: Windows 10

[John Weller]

Thanks to Alan and Paul.  I'd forgotten about the Disk Cleanup tool.

John

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> 
> There is a 'Windows.old' folder, which is your old installation should you
> decide to roll back. Here's how to delete it:
> http://blog.laptopmag.com/delete-windows-old-folder
> 
> Obviously don't delete it until your are 100% sure.
> 
> I think any '$windows' folder is the location to which the Windows 10
install
> bits and pieces downloaded initially before you kicked off the upgrade. I
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Re: Windows 10

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There is a 'Windows.old' folder, which is your old installation should
you decide to roll back. Here's how to delete it:
http://blog.laptopmag.com/delete-windows-old-folder

Obviously don't delete it until your are 100% sure.

I think any '$windows' folder is the location to which the Windows 10
install bits and pieces downloaded initially before you kicked off the
upgrade. I would guess that can be deleted as and when you want.

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Re: Windows 10

[Paul Hill]

Hi John,

I think it's related to the upgrade process.

If you are happy with Windows 10 and don't want to downgrade you can run
the 'Disk Clean-Up' tool that is built into Windows.

Paul

On 3 September 2015 at 10:32, John Weller  wrote:
> I've just successfully upgrade to Windows 10. Is there any reason why I
> shouldn't delete the hidden folders $Windows?  Should I just delete them or
> is there at tool to remove them?
>
> TIA
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Re: Windows 10 datetime formats - I need help

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On 5 August 2015 at 22:19, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Paul Hill paulroberth...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I discovered this bug in C# but I suspect it will effect other
 languages. It looks like ADO is effected so could effect Fox.

 Windows 10 introduced changes to the following cultures:
 Finnish (Finland)
 Norwegian Bokmål (Norway)
 Norwegian Bokmål (Svalbard and Jan Mayen)
 Serbian (Cyrillic, Kosovo)
 Serbian (Latin, Montenegro)
 Serbian (Latin, Serbia)
 Serbian (Latin, Kosovo)

 The date separator for these cultures has changed to the same as the
 time separator.

 For example, in Windows 8 Norway used: 05.08.2015 20:53
 In Windows 10 it uses 05.08.2015 20.53

 Is this a .Net 4.6 issue?  Have seen a few OBTW for 4.6 over the past few
 weeks.

I don't think so.  I'm using 4.0.  Although I believe if you target
4.0 it will actually use 4.6.
I suspect if I made a custom locale for Windows 8 it would have the
same problems.

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Paul Hill paulroberth...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I discovered this bug in C# but I suspect it will effect other
 languages. It looks like ADO is effected so could effect Fox.

 Windows 10 introduced changes to the following cultures:
 Finnish (Finland)
 Norwegian Bokmål (Norway)
 Norwegian Bokmål (Svalbard and Jan Mayen)
 Serbian (Cyrillic, Kosovo)
 Serbian (Latin, Montenegro)
 Serbian (Latin, Serbia)
 Serbian (Latin, Kosovo)

 The date separator for these cultures has changed to the same as the
 time separator.

 For example, in Windows 8 Norway used: 05.08.2015 20:53
 In Windows 10 it uses 05.08.2015 20.53

---


Is this a .Net 4.6 issue?  Have seen a few OBTW for 4.6 over the past few
weeks.





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Re: Windows 10

[Peter Cushing]

Gene Wirchenko wrote:

snip

 3.11 is an interesting version number.  Networking got added to 
Windows.  You might have thought that this was a big thing, but the 
version number was not bumped to 4 or even 3.2.



If I remember correctly it was called Windows for workgroups and it 
was my introduction to the game hearts where four of you could play over 
a network and try to dump the queen of spades on another player :-)  


Never played that during work hours at all guv.  No, never happened ;-)

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RE: Windows 10

[Allen]

It was in the days of DDE and you could change chart data on one machine and
have the chart update on another. DDE was brilliant, yet now there is talk
of windows machines talking like that. All old hat , been done.
Al


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Re: Windows 10

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 3.11 is an interesting version number.  Networking got added to 
 Windows. 

Not exactly. There was Windows 3.1, and then Windows 3.11 which was what
we would now think of as a service pack for Windows 3.1, i.e. not a
standalone product. These had network support but only with third-party
addons and a centralised server.

Windows for Workgroups 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 were extended
versions of the above that allowed native peer-to-peer networking
without the need for a server. 

Then there's Windows 3.2 which was a Chinese version of Windows 3.1  ...


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Re: Windows 10

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On 2014-10-20 16:44, Ed Leafe wrote:
On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:58 PM, 
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:


Was Windows 1.0 the one where Steve Ballmer did a crazy commercial 
akin to Crazy Eddie back in the 80s?  Crazy Eddiehis prices are 
INSANE!  lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk




Yep...that's the one!!!  What a freakin' (billionaire) idiot.

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Re: Windows 10

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On Oct 17, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Paul Hill paulroberth...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don't think it will be a problem.  Windows 10 is basically Windows 8.2.

Love this! http://talkinthe.net/Images/2014/10/21/001.jpg


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Re: Windows 10

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On 10/21/2014 11:27 AM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:

On 2014-10-20 16:44, Ed Leafe wrote:
On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:58 PM, 
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:


Was Windows 1.0 the one where Steve Ballmer did a crazy commercial 
akin to Crazy Eddie back in the 80s?  Crazy Eddiehis prices 
are INSANE!  lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk




Yep...that's the one!!!  What a freakin' (billionaire) idiot.


I don't care who you are, that's hilarious!  Is that a real commercial?

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Re: Windows 10

[Jeff Johnson]

On 10/21/2014 12:59 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

On Oct 17, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Paul Hill paulroberth...@gmail.com wrote:


Don't think it will be a problem.  Windows 10 is basically Windows 8.2.

Love this! http://talkinthe.net/Images/2014/10/21/001.jpg


-- Ed Leafe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8IufkbuD0list=RDtGvHNNOLnCkindex=3

 ;^)


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RE: Windows 10

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

Excellent plausible explanations, Dan!  I never would have guessed that 
#2 but I'm sure you're right.



On 2014-10-17 19:51, Dan Covill wrote:

There are two candidates for a reasonable explanation.
1. Windows 8 has acquired such a reputation that no enterprise
willconsider using it or any variation.  Win 9 is considered an
upgrade to 8 so is also Taboo.  Windows 10 creates a perceived
distance.
2. Loads of applications developed in the NT/2000/XP era check to
seewhether they're running on old 'Personal' windows (95 or 98) or on
the'New Technology' versions.  They do this by looking for a '9'.
Maybe MS can solve the problem in their time-tested fashion, by
renaming everything.
Dan Covill


From: j...@johnweller.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Windows 10
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:42:16 +0100

What happened to Windows 9?

John Weller




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Re: Windows 10

[mbsoftwaresolutions]

Was Windows 1.0 the one where Steve Ballmer did a crazy commercial akin 
to Crazy Eddie back in the 80s?  Crazy Eddiehis prices are 
INSANE!  lol


On 2014-10-18 13:48, Mike Copeland wrote:

I swear I had a copy of Win 1.0
I may have been smoking something (it was a different time then), and
from what I recall it was pretty much click and look...no apps, no
functionality.

I even kept the diskettes for a while along with my Lotus 123 and 
Frogger disks.


Mike

Ted Roche wrote:
There was a Windows 2.0 -- I remember getting the runtime bundled 
with
Adobe Pagemaker when my company started Desktop Publishing. But I'm 
pretty
sure Windows New Technology launched at the 3.0 version. I was working 
at a

Microsoft consultancy in Waltham, MA, and we bought PowerPC and MIPS
machines to test out the cross-platform servers on new CPUs. Perhaps 
I'm

misremembering, as that was a long, long, long time ago.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM, jeff j...@san-dc.com wrote:


Wasn't there an NT 2.0?


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com
Date:10/18/2014  07:02  (GMT-07:00)
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Windows 10

On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:


This
is the company that made:

Windows 3
Windows 3.11
Windows 95
Windows NT
Windows NT 3.51
WIndows 98
Windows NT 4
Windows Me
Windows 2000
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so nicely 
into

the above pattern?

;-)

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Re: Windows 10

[Mike Copeland]

Dunno, I don't think I even knew Steve Balmer existed until the early 90's.


mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
Was Windows 1.0 the one where Steve Ballmer did a crazy commercial 
akin to Crazy Eddie back in the 80s?  Crazy Eddiehis prices are 
INSANE!  lol


On 2014-10-18 13:48, Mike Copeland wrote:

I swear I had a copy of Win 1.0
I may have been smoking something (it was a different time then), and
from what I recall it was pretty much click and look...no apps, no
functionality.

I even kept the diskettes for a while along with my Lotus 123 and 
Frogger disks.


Mike

Ted Roche wrote:
There was a Windows 2.0 -- I remember getting the runtime bundled 
with
Adobe Pagemaker when my company started Desktop Publishing. But I'm 
pretty
sure Windows New Technology launched at the 3.0 version. I was 
working at a

Microsoft consultancy in Waltham, MA, and we bought PowerPC and MIPS
machines to test out the cross-platform servers on new CPUs. Perhaps 
I'm

misremembering, as that was a long, long, long time ago.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM, jeff j...@san-dc.com wrote:


Wasn't there an NT 2.0?


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com
Date:10/18/2014  07:02  (GMT-07:00)
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Windows 10

On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:


This
is the company that made:

Windows 3
Windows 3.11
Windows 95
Windows NT
Windows NT 3.51
WIndows 98
Windows NT 4
Windows Me
Windows 2000
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so 
nicely into

the above pattern?

;-)

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Re: Windows 10

[Stephen Russell]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM, 
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:

 Was Windows 1.0 the one where Steve Ballmer did a crazy commercial akin to
 Crazy Eddie back in the 80s?  Crazy Eddiehis prices are
 INSANE!  lol

 -

I remember having a Windows 286 that only ran off of floppies.  You got if
free for desktop publishing app.  Precursor to Correl Draw I believe. Too
bad that dot matrix printer did such a great job with the files.  Actually
there was printer shop that could take the images and make posters.





 On 2014-10-18 13:48, Mike Copeland wrote:

 I swear I had a copy of Win 1.0
 I may have been smoking something (it was a different time then), and
 from what I recall it was pretty much click and look...no apps, no
 functionality.

 I even kept the diskettes for a while along with my Lotus 123 and Frogger
 disks.

 Mike

 Ted Roche wrote:

 There was a Windows 2.0 -- I remember getting the runtime bundled with
 Adobe Pagemaker when my company started Desktop Publishing. But I'm
 pretty
 sure Windows New Technology launched at the 3.0 version. I was working
 at a
 Microsoft consultancy in Waltham, MA, and we bought PowerPC and MIPS
 machines to test out the cross-platform servers on new CPUs. Perhaps I'm
 misremembering, as that was a long, long, long time ago.

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM, jeff j...@san-dc.com wrote:

  Wasn't there an NT 2.0?


 Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

  Original message 
 From: Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com
 Date:10/18/2014  07:02  (GMT-07:00)
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Subject: Re: Windows 10

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:

  This
 is the company that made:

 Windows 3
 Windows 3.11
 Windows 95
 Windows NT
 Windows NT 3.51
 WIndows 98
 Windows NT 4
 Windows Me
 Windows 2000
 Windows Vista
 Windows 7
 Windows 8

 You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so nicely
 into
 the above pattern?

 ;-)

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Re: Windows 10

[Gene Wirchenko]

At 07:02 2014-10-18, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote:

On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:

 This
 is the company that made:

 Windows 3
 Windows 3.11
 Windows 95
 Windows NT
 Windows NT 3.51
 WIndows 98
 Windows NT 4
 Windows Me
 Windows 2000
 Windows Vista
 Windows 7
 Windows 8

You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so 
nicely into the above pattern?


;-)


 He also left out Windows 3.1.

 3.11 is an interesting version number.  Networking got added to 
Windows.  You might have thought that this was a big thing, but the 
version number was not bumped to 4 or even 3.2.


 In other silly version numbers, there was Word for Windows 
2.0.  Microsoft forgot the parentheses.  It meant

  (Word for Windows) 2.0
not
  Word for (Windows 2.0)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko


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Re: Windows 10

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On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:58 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:

 Was Windows 1.0 the one where Steve Ballmer did a crazy commercial akin to 
 Crazy Eddie back in the 80s?  Crazy Eddiehis prices are INSANE!  
 lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk


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Re: Windows 10

[Mike Copeland]

Wow! He almost had hair back then!

Ed Leafe wrote:

On Oct 20, 2014, at 12:58 PM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:


Was Windows 1.0 the one where Steve Ballmer did a crazy commercial akin to Crazy Eddie 
back in the 80s?  Crazy Eddiehis prices are INSANE!  lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk


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Re: Windows 10

[Alan Bourke]

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, at 10:20 PM, AndyHC wrote:
 I had a copy of Windows 1.x given out free by ms at a meeting of the PC 
 Users Group in London sometime in the mid 80s.

In sort of similar news, we very occasionally have a need to dredge up
Foxpro for Windows 2.6 and the old 16-bit version of our software for a
very few holdout customers, most of the time when they are finally
upgrading. 

I have been using a 32-bit Windows 8 VM but for some reason it refuses
to draw the display properly for Win16 applications. 

So last week I found myself installing and configuring Windows For
Workgroups 3.11 under DosBOX, and then running the stuff under that.
Never thought I'd be doing that again.

 
  Alan Bourke
  alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

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Re: Windows 10

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On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:

 This
 is the company that made:
 
 Windows 3
 Windows 3.11
 Windows 95
 Windows NT
 Windows NT 3.51
 WIndows 98
 Windows NT 4
 Windows Me
 Windows 2000
 Windows Vista
 Windows 7
 Windows 8

You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so nicely into the 
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Re: Windows 10

[jeff]

Wasn't there an NT 2.0?


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Subject: Re: Windows 10 

On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:

 This
 is the company that made:
 
 Windows 3
 Windows 3.11
 Windows 95
 Windows NT
 Windows NT 3.51
 WIndows 98
 Windows NT 4
 Windows Me
 Windows 2000
 Windows Vista
 Windows 7
 Windows 8

You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so nicely into the 
above pattern? 

;-)

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Re: Windows 10

[Ted Roche]

There was a Windows 2.0 -- I remember getting the runtime bundled with
Adobe Pagemaker when my company started Desktop Publishing. But I'm pretty
sure Windows New Technology launched at the 3.0 version. I was working at a
Microsoft consultancy in Waltham, MA, and we bought PowerPC and MIPS
machines to test out the cross-platform servers on new CPUs. Perhaps I'm
misremembering, as that was a long, long, long time ago.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM, jeff j...@san-dc.com wrote:

 Wasn't there an NT 2.0?


 Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

  Original message 
 From: Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com
 Date:10/18/2014  07:02  (GMT-07:00)
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Subject: Re: Windows 10

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:

  This
  is the company that made:
 
  Windows 3
  Windows 3.11
  Windows 95
  Windows NT
  Windows NT 3.51
  WIndows 98
  Windows NT 4
  Windows Me
  Windows 2000
  Windows Vista
  Windows 7
  Windows 8

 You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so nicely into
 the above pattern?

 ;-)

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Re: Windows 10

[Fred Taylor]

I can verify the Windows 2.0 runtime with PageMaker.  Either that or I'm
mis-remembering the same as you, Ted

Fred

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:

 There was a Windows 2.0 -- I remember getting the runtime bundled with
 Adobe Pagemaker when my company started Desktop Publishing. But I'm pretty
 sure Windows New Technology launched at the 3.0 version. I was working at a
 Microsoft consultancy in Waltham, MA, and we bought PowerPC and MIPS
 machines to test out the cross-platform servers on new CPUs. Perhaps I'm
 misremembering, as that was a long, long, long time ago.

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM, jeff j...@san-dc.com wrote:

  Wasn't there an NT 2.0?
 
 
  Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 
   Original message 
  From: Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com
  Date:10/18/2014  07:02  (GMT-07:00)
  To: profoxt...@leafe.com
  Subject: Re: Windows 10
 
  On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   This
   is the company that made:
  
   Windows 3
   Windows 3.11
   Windows 95
   Windows NT
   Windows NT 3.51
   WIndows 98
   Windows NT 4
   Windows Me
   Windows 2000
   Windows Vista
   Windows 7
   Windows 8
 
  You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so nicely
 into
  the above pattern?
 
  ;-)
 
  -- Ed Leafe
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Windows 10

[Ted Roche]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Fred Taylor fbtay...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can verify the Windows 2.0 runtime with PageMaker.  Either that or I'm
 mis-remembering the same as you, Ted


Thanks, Fred. We can always look it up and cite Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows

but it's more fun blowing the dust off old neurons.


-- 
Ted Roche
Ted Roche  Associates, LLC
http://www.tedroche.com


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Re: Windows 10

[Mike Copeland]

I swear I had a copy of Win 1.0
I may have been smoking something (it was a different time then), and 
from what I recall it was pretty much click and look...no apps, no 
functionality.


I even kept the diskettes for a while along with my Lotus 123 and 
Frogger disks.


Mike

Ted Roche wrote:

There was a Windows 2.0 -- I remember getting the runtime bundled with
Adobe Pagemaker when my company started Desktop Publishing. But I'm pretty
sure Windows New Technology launched at the 3.0 version. I was working at a
Microsoft consultancy in Waltham, MA, and we bought PowerPC and MIPS
machines to test out the cross-platform servers on new CPUs. Perhaps I'm
misremembering, as that was a long, long, long time ago.

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM, jeff j...@san-dc.com wrote:


Wasn't there an NT 2.0?


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com
Date:10/18/2014  07:02  (GMT-07:00)
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: Windows 10

On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:


This
is the company that made:

Windows 3
Windows 3.11
Windows 95
Windows NT
Windows NT 3.51
WIndows 98
Windows NT 4
Windows Me
Windows 2000
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8

You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so nicely into
the above pattern?

;-)

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RE: Windows 10

[José Enrique Llopis]

I have a pack of Windows 1.3 operating environment, complete with
diskettes, opened but never installed.

Pepe Llopis


-Mensaje original-
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Enviado el: sábado, 18 de octubre de 2014 19:49
Para: profox@leafe.com
Asunto: Re: Windows 10

I swear I had a copy of Win 1.0
I may have been smoking something (it was a different time then), and 
from what I recall it was pretty much click and look...no apps, no 
functionality.

I even kept the diskettes for a while along with my Lotus 123 and 
Frogger disks.

Mike

Ted Roche wrote:
 There was a Windows 2.0 -- I remember getting the runtime bundled with
 Adobe Pagemaker when my company started Desktop Publishing. But I'm pretty
 sure Windows New Technology launched at the 3.0 version. I was working at
a
 Microsoft consultancy in Waltham, MA, and we bought PowerPC and MIPS
 machines to test out the cross-platform servers on new CPUs. Perhaps I'm
 misremembering, as that was a long, long, long time ago.

 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM, jeff j...@san-dc.com wrote:

 Wasn't there an NT 2.0?


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  Original message 
 From: Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com
 Date:10/18/2014  07:02  (GMT-07:00)
 To: profoxt...@leafe.com
 Subject: Re: Windows 10

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote:

 This
 is the company that made:

 Windows 3
 Windows 3.11
 Windows 95
 Windows NT
 Windows NT 3.51
 WIndows 98
 Windows NT 4
 Windows Me
 Windows 2000
 Windows Vista
 Windows 7
 Windows 8
 You left out Windows XP. How is that possible, when it fits so nicely
into
 the above pattern?

 ;-)

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Re: Windows 10

[AndyHC]

I had a copy of Windows 1.x given out free by ms at a meeting of the PC 
Users Group in London sometime in the mid 80s.
On the PC's available at the time it was slower than watching paint dry, 
I couldn't get my management even vaguely interested - they had taken 
the giant step from mainframes to minicomputers and could see no further.


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Re: Windows 10

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On 17 October 2014 20:05, Mike Copeland m...@ggisoft.com wrote:
 I may have missed it...has anyone tested VFP 9 on Windows 10 yet?

Don't think it will be a problem.  Windows 10 is basically Windows 8.2.

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