Re: [ql-users] Q40 and SMSQE v3.12
- Original Message - From: "hitchies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q40 and SMSQE v3.12 > George wrote (thank you George ;-) > >'5 operating systems for SMSQE v 3.12' > > As they say in Liverpool, "I can't get me 'ead 'round that". > > Would anyone like to climb in and help me please? > > Best regards to all > > John in Wales is this to simple? Q40,Q60, QPC2, Aurora and SGC Back to lurk mode all the best - Bill ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
But _nobody_ will take the time to write malware for QL platform! Doug L. 37830 USA That's precisely why I want to move as much of my daily business as possible back to the QL in some form. I am learning more about 'Net-QL possibilities in this exchange than otherwise, in a long time. Thanks. -Original Message- >From: Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sep 12, 2006 2:22 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod > >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neil Riley ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > <...snip...> >Other people may correct me, yet I believe that the aim was to get a >high end black box system to be able to do it - QL + Gold Card / Super >Gold Card + Disk drives + upgraded serial SuperHermes + a 28K or 56K >modem. Supported by QL oftware, yet not necessarily needing a hard >drive. Not sure if SMSQ required rather than QDOS. > >This sort of specification would meet with a lot of equipment still in >use. > >At the same time, though, PC's became cheaper and better specified so >that a QL system would be the more expensive to set up for use. > >-- >Malcolm Cadman >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> Regrettably the QL Black box hardware was not that reliable on the >> serial line. 9800 baud being normal, with the possibility of 19200 baud >> at times. >9600 in. 19200 only out. > >The main problem was that the input handshake (8049 chip) was bugged. >Hermes uses the same basic hardware (but erasable firmware) and Laurence >Reeves simply coded it properly! If only he had worked for Sinclair at >the time we would have had a *much* better QL from the start. Although Sinclair wasn't the only one to take some shorts cuts ... I have an Acorn Archimedes A3000 which didn't even have a serial port fitted as sold. When I wanted to access the internet I had to upgrade the serial port which could only do 19200 maximum. Accepting the speed limitation the access was fine, I also used a freeware email and web browser, each element working as discrete unit application. Which made it a shared effort amongst several software programmers ... all a part of the fun ... :-) For the QL this integration hasn't quite as yet all come together ... :-( ... not helped by the cheapness now of PC hardware - with Linux or Windows - which does the job anyway. The other option is some new QL hardware that has in all on board, so to speak. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Tony Firshman wrote: > I reckon if you run SMSQ on a machine with Godl Card or Super Gold Card > then it would all work OK. It seems SMSQ has easy http support. Only the QPC variant, unfortunately, as soQL seems to be fairly dead. There are some open source light-weight TCP/IP stacks available which could potentially be ported to SMSQ/E, lwIP for example, but I currently have neither the time nor much inclination to do so. Would have been an excellent job for Jonathan Hudson, the master of all C ports. A gcc cross compiler could be helpful there, too, but I never got it to work for me. So all in all, currently a modem on a QL is not really very useful I think. Other than receiving/sending faxes and accessing some mailbox. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Derek Stewart wrote: till have the software setup on disk, maybe I could convert it >>> to a Internet node on a SMSQ/E system. But it is temping to use >>> Linux or even Windows since it works. But I fancy a QL Internet >>> node. >>> >> ... now that *would* be interesting, especially if it could link to >> QBBS Fido (8-)# >> > > Tony, > > I used to have email and newsgroup access from Pbox, a friend had some > software called Fidogate which converted the Internet mail to Fidonet. > > So it not impossible. > Derek - all your recent mail is coming in duplicate. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Derek Stewart wrote: >>> I still have the software setup on disk, maybe I could convert it >>> to a Internet node on a SMSQ/E system. But it is temping to use >>> Linux or even Windows since it works. But I fancy a QL Internet >>> node. >>> >> ... now that *would* be interesting, especially if it could link to >> QBBS Fido (8-)# >> > > Tony, > > I used to have email and newsgroup access from Pbox, a friend had some > software called Fidogate which converted the Internet mail to Fidonet. > > So it not impossible. Yes I suspected as much. There was a German usenet group (maus.something) that did just that. I still have a few users on QBBS with no internet access, so it would be good for them. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:54:03 +0100 Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Derek Stewart wrote: > > Tony, > > > > The BBS closed down 5 years, I think, no one was using it. > > > > I still have 2 V90 USR modems, which I guess are surplus to > > requirements these days as everyone is using PC hardware > > and internal PC V90 modem are less then £5 > > > > The best option was to have SuperHermes to give the fastest serial > > port to modem speed, which allowed the modem to connect at 33600 > > Baud through the BT network. > > > > It is a pity that no one wants to use the system, as I got Phil > > Borman to make many chnages to Pbox, to make it have the > > functionality of the Remote Access BBS software. > > > > I still have the software setup on disk, maybe I could convert it > > to a Internet node on a SMSQ/E system. But it is temping to use > > Linux or even Windows since it works. But I fancy a QL Internet > > node. > > > ... now that *would* be interesting, especially if it could link to > QBBS Fido (8-)# > Tony, I used to have email and newsgroup access from Pbox, a friend had some software called Fidogate which converted the Internet mail to Fidonet. So it not impossible. Derek ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Tony Firshman wrote: > The main problem was that the input handshake (8049 chip) was bugged. > Hermes uses the same basic hardware (but erasable firmware) and Laurence > Reeves simply coded it properly! If only he had worked for Sinclair at > the time we would have had a *much* better QL from the start. >> I believe that upgrading to a Hermes circuit improved this to 19200 >> baud, and then SuperHermes to even higher rates. Although Tony will >> have the exact details on these products ... :-) > Hermes does 19200 input in theory, but the chip can only manage a bit > under 14440 in. Output (8302 chip) has always been a working 19200. > Hermes gives full 19200 each way and superHermes has a 'standard' serial > port giving up to 230kbps each way. Whoops - Hermes is only a theoretical 19200 (as I said in the previous sentence!!!). superHermes gives full 19200 each way from the QL serial ports. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Derek Stewart wrote: > Tony, > > The BBS closed down 5 years, I think, no one was using it. > > I still have 2 V90 USR modems, which I guess are surplus to > requirements these days as everyone is using PC hardware > and internal PC V90 modem are less then £5 > > The best option was to have SuperHermes to give the fastest serial port > to modem speed, which allowed the modem to connect at 33600 Baud > through the BT network. > > It is a pity that no one wants to use the system, as I got Phil Borman > to make many chnages to Pbox, to make it have the functionality of > the Remote Access BBS software. > > I still have the software setup on disk, maybe I could convert it to a > Internet node on a SMSQ/E system. But it is temping to use Linux or > even Windows since it works. But I fancy a QL Internet node. > ... now that *would* be interesting, especially if it could link to QBBS Fido (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Malcolm Cadman wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neil Riley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used > today or are they museum pieces? They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K. and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of Lynx for browsing. Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of Lynx. >> So, my interpretation is that, The SuperHermes (lite?) replaces the >> 8049 co-processor >> which is pretty rubbish at the job it does (not through fault of it's >> own). This plus my >> old PACE 56k modem would in theory, with other software in development, >> allow dial up internet access sometime in the future, or via an >> alternative operating >> systems or msdos emulation running something else. The point is, it is >> possible should >> I really want to use my QL ( original QL, not a PC cased variant ) for >> Web access. I >> think that is a remarkable achievement ! > > Interesting that you should ask about this, Neil. > > Regrettably the QL Black box hardware was not that reliable on the > serial line. 9800 baud being normal, with the possibility of 19200 baud > at times. 9600 in. 19200 only out. The main problem was that the input handshake (8049 chip) was bugged. Hermes uses the same basic hardware (but erasable firmware) and Laurence Reeves simply coded it properly! If only he had worked for Sinclair at the time we would have had a *much* better QL from the start. > > I believe that upgrading to a Hermes circuit improved this to 19200 > baud, and then SuperHermes to even higher rates. Although Tony will > have the exact details on these products ... :-) Hermes does 19200 input in theory, but the chip can only manage a bit under 14440 in. Output (8302 chip) has always been a working 19200. Hermes gives full 19200 each way and superHermes has a 'standard' serial port giving up to 230kbps each way. The QL with supergoldcard can handle about 70kbps or so input to RAM I think. > > I used a small device which I think was called a "QL Modem" - which was > a small black box not much larger than a match box, which allowed > connection to Bulletin Boards - BBS - at around 1200 baud. > > I also upgraded to the Tandata stack later on, and used that very > successfully for BBS access. It takes a bit of configuring when you > first start out, although quite a good feature set. Plus parts of the > stack of 3 boxes didn't exactly do much anyway. ... not if you had used QL Terminal! > > If there are any BBS's still out there you should be able to get access > with a Tandata ... ? .. not QBBS (see below) unfortunately. The USR Robotics modem *can* connect to Tandata, but not at the same time as 56k (8-(# Pbox can support two lines, but my wallet cannot! Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neil Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used today or are they museum pieces? >>>They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K. >>>and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to >>>upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then >>>you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have >>>one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! >>>Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) >>>web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of >>>Lynx for browsing. >>>Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by >>>finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and >>>running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). >>>However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the >>>QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I >>>assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of >>>Lynx. > >So, my interpretation is that, The SuperHermes (lite?) replaces the >8049 co-processor >which is pretty rubbish at the job it does (not through fault of it's >own). This plus my >old PACE 56k modem would in theory, with other software in development, >allow dial up internet access sometime in the future, or via an >alternative operating >systems or msdos emulation running something else. The point is, it is >possible should >I really want to use my QL ( original QL, not a PC cased variant ) for >Web access. I >think that is a remarkable achievement ! Interesting that you should ask about this, Neil. Regrettably the QL Black box hardware was not that reliable on the serial line. 9800 baud being normal, with the possibility of 19200 baud at times. I believe that upgrading to a Hermes circuit improved this to 19200 baud, and then SuperHermes to even higher rates. Although Tony will have the exact details on these products ... :-) I used a small device which I think was called a "QL Modem" - which was a small black box not much larger than a match box, which allowed connection to Bulletin Boards - BBS - at around 1200 baud. I also upgraded to the Tandata stack later on, and used that very successfully for BBS access. It takes a bit of configuring when you first start out, although quite a good feature set. Plus parts of the stack of 3 boxes didn't exactly do much anyway. If there are any BBS's still out there you should be able to get access with a Tandata ... ? The move towards email access, and potential www access is through Jon Dent's work. In a more oblique way, Phoebus did some articles in QL Today for email, www and ftp, using various bits of software written for the QL - however this was via a QL emulator, so it used the PC hardware for serial / modem. I followed through his detailed instructions and got it all working via Emulator and PC. The Lynx browser is text only though. Other people may correct me, yet I believe that the aim was to get a high end black box system to be able to do it - QL + Gold Card / Super Gold Card + Disk drives + upgraded serial SuperHermes + a 28K or 56K modem. Supported by QL oftware, yet not necessarily needing a hard drive. Not sure if SMSQ required rather than QDOS. This sort of specification would meet with a lot of equipment still in use. At the same time, though, PC's became cheaper and better specified so that a QL system would be the more expensive to set up for use. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Tony, The BBS closed down 5 years, I think, no one was using it. I still have 2 V90 USR modems, which I guess are surplus to requirements these days as everyone is using PC hardware and internal PC V90 modem are less then £5 The best option was to have SuperHermes to give the fastest serial port to modem speed, which allowed the modem to connect at 33600 Baud through the BT network. It is a pity that no one wants to use the system, as I got Phil Borman to make many chnages to Pbox, to make it have the functionality of the Remote Access BBS software. I still have the software setup on disk, maybe I could convert it to a Internet node on a SMSQ/E system. But it is temping to use Linux or even Windows since it works. But I fancy a QL Internet node. Derek On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:51:59 +0100 Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Derek Stewart wrote: > > Neil, > > > > You would be better not considering the Tandata Modem, as the > > QCONNECT unit can connect to a standard external modem. But the > > serial chip in the QCON unit had an overrun problem. > > > > I used to run a BBS with Tandata Qconnect with a Amstrad SM2400 > > modem. It did not work that well. > > > > Then... Hermes came out, I threw the Tandata units into the bin and > > connect the Amstrad SM2400 direct to the QL SER2 port and all was > > great. > > > > I upgraded the slow Amstrad SM2400 modem to a V90 US Robotics modem > > and the BBS now running PBOX ran at 33600 Baud dependant on Line > > speeds. > You don't say, but that had to be with superHermes SER3, not Hermes , > of course. Hermes maximum is a bit under 14400. superHermes Lite > gives a full 19200 off the standard QL ports. > 'now running' or 'ran'? I thought you had closed it down? > > > > So my advice is to get: Hermes Chip, SuperHermes Lite, SuperHermes > > > > Tony ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Derek Stewart wrote: > Neil, > > You would be better not considering the Tandata Modem, as the QCONNECT > unit can connect to a standard external modem. But the serial chip in > the QCON unit had an overrun problem. > > I used to run a BBS with Tandata Qconnect with a Amstrad SM2400 modem. > It did not work that well. > > Then... Hermes came out, I threw the Tandata units into the bin and > connect the Amstrad SM2400 direct to the QL SER2 port and all was > great. > > I upgraded the slow Amstrad SM2400 modem to a V90 US Robotics modem and > the BBS now running PBOX ran at 33600 Baud dependant on Line speeds. You don't say, but that had to be with superHermes SER3, not Hermes , of course. Hermes maximum is a bit under 14400. superHermes Lite gives a full 19200 off the standard QL ports. 'now running' or 'ran'? I thought you had closed it down? > > So my advice is to get: Hermes Chip, SuperHermes Lite, SuperHermes > Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Neil Riley wrote: I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used today or are they museum pieces? >>> They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K. >>> and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to >>> upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then >>> you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have >>> one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! >>> Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) >>> web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of >>> Lynx for browsing. >>> Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by >>> finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and >>> running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). >>> However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the >>> QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I >>> assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of >>> Lynx. > > So, my interpretation is that, The SuperHermes (lite?) replaces the 8049 > co-processor > which is pretty rubbish at the job it does (not through fault of it's own). > This plus my > old PACE 56k modem would in theory, with other software in development, > allow dial up internet access sometime in the future, or via an alternative > operating > systems or msdos emulation running something else. The point is, it is > possible should > I really want to use my QL ( original QL, not a PC cased variant ) for Web > access. I > think that is a remarkable achievement ! I too like the original hardware, or QL specific hardware like Aurora or Q40. I have never been happy with looking at a picture of a QL screen inside Windows! With superHermes *any* fast modem will work and download for a short time at full speed. If you don't have at least Gold Card then input will slow down a bit. I reckon if you run SMSQ on a machine with Godl Card or Super Gold Card then it would all work OK. It seems SMSQ has easy http support. Now *displaying* is a different matter (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
David McCann wrote: > On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 11:35 +0100, Neil Riley wrote: >> I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used >> today or are they museum pieces? > > They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K > and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to > upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then > you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have > one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! That is superHermes Lite - which is 19200 bps. The full superHermes is needed for 56k - and you need Goldcard at least for the full throughput. Saving 56k to media is marginal with a standard QL. > > Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) > web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of > Lynx for browsing. > > Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by > finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and > running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). > > However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the > QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I > assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of > Lynx. > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Neil Riley wrote: > I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used > > today, are they still relevant or are they museum pieces. If still in > use > what sort of broardband connection is required, for example, dial up > or broadband and if dial up is that still available !? > > Ok, assuming these are museum pieces, can the QL connect to the WWW > ( I'm talking about an original QL and not the Q40 etc etc ) and if so, > how? > > I suspect these are more daft question but hey, I must ask. The Tandata modems will still work fine as long as you find in internet dial-up connection that knows about V23, and you are happy downloading at 1200 baud! All providers can handle dial-up, but may not go down to that speed. My BBS won't work with any QL modem now. The USR Robotics modem will handle V23 and speeds up to 56kb, but not at the same time (8-(# I am now getting 4.5 Mbps internet connection. The Tandata is .0012 Mbps - over 4000 times slower! With superHermes, supergoldcard and a modern modem you would get a full 56k. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod--thanks
Thanks--that's as much as succinctly as I've seen on 'Net-ing the QL... Bill Cable thought I might give a session at QL-NA in Canada end of the month. I don't see any way I can leave some emergencies here in town at that time. I had hoped at least to make it without material for a session but with the purpose of picking everyone's brains to aim to next year. However, the below gives me a start. And it seems to assume a fairly basic QL--I have SGC and now SuperHermes. Doug (LaVerne) 37830 USA -Original Message- >From: David McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sep 12, 2006 11:31 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod > >On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 11:35 +0100, Neil Riley wrote: >> I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used >> today or are they museum pieces? > >They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K >and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to >upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then >you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have >one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! > >Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) >web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of >Lynx for browsing. > >Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by >finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and >running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). > >However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the >QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I >assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of >Lynx. >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
Neil, You would be better not considering the Tandata Modem, as the QCONNECT unit can connect to a standard external modem. But the serial chip in the QCON unit had an overrun problem. I used to run a BBS with Tandata Qconnect with a Amstrad SM2400 modem. It did not work that well. Then... Hermes came out, I threw the Tandata units into the bin and connect the Amstrad SM2400 direct to the QL SER2 port and all was great. I upgraded the slow Amstrad SM2400 modem to a V90 US Robotics modem and the BBS now running PBOX ran at 33600 Baud dependant on Line speeds. So my advice is to get: Hermes Chip, SuperHermes Lite, SuperHermes Derek On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:56:35 +0100 "Neil Riley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they > >>> still used today or are they museum pieces? > >>They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of > >>19K. and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would > >>need to upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony > >>Firshman). Then you could use a conventional serial modem, which > >>are still made: I have one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, > >>though! Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, > >>but not (yet) web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's > >>already a QL version of Lynx for browsing. > >>Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by > >>finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and > >>running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). > >>However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to > >>the QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could > >>get that, I assume it would be possible to compile and run a > >>Linux/Unix version of Lynx. > > So, my interpretation is that, The SuperHermes (lite?) replaces the > 8049 co-processor which is pretty rubbish at the job it does (not > through fault of it's own). This plus my old PACE 56k modem would in > theory, with other software in development, allow dial up internet > access sometime in the future, or via an alternative operating > systems or msdos emulation running something else. The point is, it > is possible should I really want to use my QL ( original QL, not a PC > cased variant ) for Web access. I think that is a remarkable > achievement ! > > > > *** > The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient. > It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the > addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, > please contact the company on 01793-715380, then delete it from your > system. Please note neither the company nor the sender accepts any > responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan > attachments (if any) for viruses. No contract may be concluded on > behalf of the company by means of email communications. > > www.boxclever.co.uk > *** > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
>>> I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used >>> today or are they museum pieces? >>They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K. >>and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to >>upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then >>you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have >>one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! >>Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) >>web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of >>Lynx for browsing. >>Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by >>finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and >>running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). >>However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the >>QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I >>assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of >>Lynx. So, my interpretation is that, The SuperHermes (lite?) replaces the 8049 co-processor which is pretty rubbish at the job it does (not through fault of it's own). This plus my old PACE 56k modem would in theory, with other software in development, allow dial up internet access sometime in the future, or via an alternative operating systems or msdos emulation running something else. The point is, it is possible should I really want to use my QL ( original QL, not a PC cased variant ) for Web access. I think that is a remarkable achievement ! *** The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact the company on 01793-715380, then delete it from your system. Please note neither the company nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any) for viruses. No contract may be concluded on behalf of the company by means of email communications. www.boxclever.co.uk *** ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 11:35 +0100, Neil Riley wrote: > I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used > today or are they museum pieces? They were very slow (remember the QL serial port is only capable of 19K and only reliable for reception at 9K!) To get 56K you would need to upgrade your QL with a SuperHermes (£53 new from Tony Firshman). Then you could use a conventional serial modem, which are still made: I have one with my PC (£30 new). No broadband, though! Jon Dent's soQL-PPP has got as far as giving email access, but not (yet) web access. When (if?) the latter comes, there's already a QL version of Lynx for browsing. Until then, the only way to browse the web on a QL seems to be by finding a secondhand copy of the MSDOS emulator, PC Conqueror, and running Arachne (graphical) or Bobcat (text). However, I remember that the Minix operating system was ported to the QL, which should be faster than a DOS emulator. If you could get that, I assume it would be possible to compile and run a Linux/Unix version of Lynx. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC Sockets
Just nosing through my HTTP pocket Reference.. GET /latest.htm HTTP/1.1 Host: qltoday.com Neil >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12 September 2006 14:45:08 >>> Thanks Marcel, I understand now. Cheers Malcolm Marcel Kilgus wrote: >Malcolm Lear wrote: > > >>And if I required a sub page such as 'http://qltoday.com/latest.htm'? >> >> > >That's the "/" after "GET". Best read the documentation for this, >there's plenty of it on the net. > >Marcel > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm *** The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact the company on 01793-715380, then delete it from your system. Please note neither the company nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any) for viruses. No contract may be concluded on behalf of the company by means of email communications. www.boxclever.co.uk *** ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC Sockets
Malcolm Lear wrote: > And if I required a sub page such as 'http://qltoday.com/latest.htm'? That's the "/" after "GET". Best read the documentation for this, there's plenty of it on the net. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC Sockets
Thanks Marcel, I understand now. Cheers Malcolm Marcel Kilgus wrote: >Malcolm Lear wrote: > > >>And if I required a sub page such as 'http://qltoday.com/latest.htm'? >> >> > >That's the "/" after "GET". Best read the documentation for this, >there's plenty of it on the net. > >Marcel > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC Sockets
Hi Marcel And if I required a sub page such as 'http://qltoday.com/latest.htm'? Malcolm Marcel Kilgus wrote: >Malcolm Lear wrote: > > >>Is it possible to download a file from a web address using the >>TCP/UDP sockets and an Sbasic program? I've been looking for >>documentation and programming examples with no success. >> >> > >Yes, it is possible. The protocol you have to speak is HTTP and >described here http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt > >Here's a very very basic program that requests the main page from the >QL-Today web site: > >100 OPEN_IN#3,"tcp_www.qltoday.com:80" >110 PRINT#3,"GET / HTTP/1.1" >120 PRINT#3,"User-Agent: QPC browser" >130 PRINT#3,"Accept: */*" >140 PRINT#3,"host: qltoday.com" >150 PRINT#3 >160 REPeat >170 INPUT#3,a$:PRINT a$ >180 END REPeat > >Marcel > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC Sockets
That's just what I wanted. Thanks Marcel!! Malcolm Marcel Kilgus wrote: >Malcolm Lear wrote: > > >>Is it possible to download a file from a web address using the >>TCP/UDP sockets and an Sbasic program? I've been looking for >>documentation and programming examples with no success. >> >> > >Yes, it is possible. The protocol you have to speak is HTTP and >described here http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt > >Here's a very very basic program that requests the main page from the >QL-Today web site: > >100 OPEN_IN#3,"tcp_www.qltoday.com:80" >110 PRINT#3,"GET / HTTP/1.1" >120 PRINT#3,"User-Agent: QPC browser" >130 PRINT#3,"Accept: */*" >140 PRINT#3,"host: qltoday.com" >150 PRINT#3 >160 REPeat >170 INPUT#3,a$:PRINT a$ >180 END REPeat > >Marcel > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Q40 and SMSQE v3.12
George wrote (thank you George ;-) '5 operating systems for SMSQE v 3.12' As they say in Liverpool, "I can't get me 'ead 'round that". Would anyone like to climb in and help me please? Best regards to all John in Wales -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 08/09/2006 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Tandata Modem Q Con + Q Mod
I seem to remember these items appearing originally. Are they still used today, are they still relevant or are they museum pieces. If still in use what sort of broardband connection is required, for example, dial up or broadband and if dial up is that still available !? Ok, assuming these are museum pieces, can the QL connect to the WWW ( I'm talking about an original QL and not the Q40 etc etc ) and if so, how? I suspect these are more daft question but hey, I must ask. Thanks Neil *** The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact the company on 01793-715380, then delete it from your system. Please note neither the company nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any) for viruses. No contract may be concluded on behalf of the company by means of email communications. www.boxclever.co.uk *** ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC Sockets
Malcolm Lear wrote: > Is it possible to download a file from a web address using the > TCP/UDP sockets and an Sbasic program? I've been looking for > documentation and programming examples with no success. Yes, it is possible. The protocol you have to speak is HTTP and described here http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt Here's a very very basic program that requests the main page from the QL-Today web site: 100 OPEN_IN#3,"tcp_www.qltoday.com:80" 110 PRINT#3,"GET / HTTP/1.1" 120 PRINT#3,"User-Agent: QPC browser" 130 PRINT#3,"Accept: */*" 140 PRINT#3,"host: qltoday.com" 150 PRINT#3 160 REPeat 170 INPUT#3,a$:PRINT a$ 180 END REPeat Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] QPC Sockets
Hi All Is it possible to download a file from a web address using the TCP/UDP sockets and an Sbasic program? I've been looking for documentation and programming examples with no success. Hope someone can help. Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
