[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Mike, The S-A can indeed be mounted pretty far back, but the mfg warns against it: "Bent Frame Wire - A small number of saddles have been replaced in the past two years due to frame wire bending during a ride. These first happened exclusively with mountain bike riders doing extreme riding. The majority of the frames that bent were using Thompson seat posts, and others like them with the rail clamp centered over the top of the seat post tube, and on seat posts with very short clamps. Many who managed to bend rails also had their saddle set back as far as it will go. The riders have been men and women of various weights on Standard & Clydesdale models. The population of damaged saddles is so very small we are at a loss to identify a cause. Engineers examine offending saddles as they are returned. We replace these saddles with the caveat that the rider use a seat post with longer section clamp and more setback in the clamp. Anyone riding a saddle set back as far as it will go on our rails is likely on a poorly fitting bike frame. If your frame fits you appropriately, if the handlebars are properly positioned (not too far away and too far down as is too common), and if you have a well engineered seat post, your saddle will be positioned in the middle of the rails. See the Seat Post section in our Saddle & Handlebar Adjustment Procedure pamphlet that comes with each saddle." They aren't kidding. Ask how I know... Bill On Jan 8, 7:06 pm, Mike S wrote: > Also, an issue in my saddle selection is fore-aft adjustment. I wanted > to try the Selle An-Atomica because it seems it can mounted much > further back than a B.17, which I need on the bike it is for that has > a too-short top tube. I would rather have the problem solved by a > saddle than another $150 lugged nitto wayback post. How do the rails > on the Berthoud compare with a B.17 and S.A? > > On Jan 8, 9:40 pm, Mike S wrote: > > > > > I just bought a Selle An-Atomica LD Clydesdale saddle, mainly because > > it was on sale for $133 and I'm intrigued by the design and that it's > > MUSA. I'm wondering if I may have made a mistake by choosing this > > saddle over the Berthoud, which I considered but deemed not worthy of > > the higher cost. > > > I've been riding a B.17 for about 3000 miles so far and it seems to be > > in real good shape and I am very comfortable on a B.17, but I'm > > wondering if there is something better. My primary concerns are a ride > > that is of maximum comfort, and I also want outstanding durability. > > Can any Selle An-Atomica users vouch for it's longevity, and can > > anyone compare the two (Berthoud & S.A)? > > > Although the B.17 has served me well so far, I am a little worried > > about the longevity with a post-acquisition saddle, and I'm also > > generally always looking for gear improvements. Is the verdict that > > the Gilles Berthoud is the best bang for the buck, despite the higher > > cost? > > > Also, my riding is always with the handlebars a few centimeters higher > > than the saddle. > > > On Jan 8, 2:27 pm, Lee wrote: > > > > Hey Rene. I just got mine in. Here's a brief visual comparison of the > > > saddle vis-a-vis a B-17 Champion Special: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/23eyb8o > > > > I've been slowly accumulating parts to upgrade my distance bike. The > > > Aspin will replace a Selle An-Atomica, which will go to my saddle-less > > > camping/utility bike. I had been switching my B-17S between my > > > commuter (the Quickbeam) and the utility bike. > > > > Best, > > > Lee > > > > On Jan 7, 3:47 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > > > > > Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I > > > > like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding > > > > forward. Always thought it should be flatter. > > > > > Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy. > > > > > René > > > > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > > > > On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return > > > > >> it. It > > > > >> looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a > > > > >> benefit if > > > > >> you buy thier saddle bags too. > > > > > >> I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable > > > > >> saddles > > > > >> now. > > > > > > wallbike.com > > > > > > 6month unconditional return guarantee. > > > > > > -sv > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subs
Re: [RBW] 60 cm Heron on ebay
whaddya suppose the standover on that one is.. ? :) On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:08 PM, rcnute wrote: > Whatta deal! Someone taller than me buy this! http://tinyurl.com/36k359h > > Ryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 60 cm Heron on ebay
Whatta deal! Someone taller than me buy this! http://tinyurl.com/36k359h Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Also, an issue in my saddle selection is fore-aft adjustment. I wanted to try the Selle An-Atomica because it seems it can mounted much further back than a B.17, which I need on the bike it is for that has a too-short top tube. I would rather have the problem solved by a saddle than another $150 lugged nitto wayback post. How do the rails on the Berthoud compare with a B.17 and S.A? On Jan 8, 9:40 pm, Mike S wrote: > I just bought a Selle An-Atomica LD Clydesdale saddle, mainly because > it was on sale for $133 and I'm intrigued by the design and that it's > MUSA. I'm wondering if I may have made a mistake by choosing this > saddle over the Berthoud, which I considered but deemed not worthy of > the higher cost. > > I've been riding a B.17 for about 3000 miles so far and it seems to be > in real good shape and I am very comfortable on a B.17, but I'm > wondering if there is something better. My primary concerns are a ride > that is of maximum comfort, and I also want outstanding durability. > Can any Selle An-Atomica users vouch for it's longevity, and can > anyone compare the two (Berthoud & S.A)? > > Although the B.17 has served me well so far, I am a little worried > about the longevity with a post-acquisition saddle, and I'm also > generally always looking for gear improvements. Is the verdict that > the Gilles Berthoud is the best bang for the buck, despite the higher > cost? > > Also, my riding is always with the handlebars a few centimeters higher > than the saddle. > > On Jan 8, 2:27 pm, Lee wrote: > > > Hey Rene. I just got mine in. Here's a brief visual comparison of the > > saddle vis-a-vis a B-17 Champion Special: > > >http://tinyurl.com/23eyb8o > > > I've been slowly accumulating parts to upgrade my distance bike. The > > Aspin will replace a Selle An-Atomica, which will go to my saddle-less > > camping/utility bike. I had been switching my B-17S between my > > commuter (the Quickbeam) and the utility bike. > > > Best, > > Lee > > > On Jan 7, 3:47 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I > > > like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding > > > forward. Always thought it should be flatter. > > > > Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy. > > > > René > > > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > > > On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper > > > > wrote: > > > > >> Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return > > > >> it. It > > > >> looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a > > > >> benefit if > > > >> you buy thier saddle bags too. > > > > >> I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable > > > >> saddles > > > >> now. > > > > > wallbike.com > > > > > 6month unconditional return guarantee. > > > > > -sv > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico
I composed almost all of this before I saw you were planning on going south, but go back and read the last paragraph and the parts about the wind. I figure people would enjoy the link to the bob ride a few years back too. If you get north of Albuquerque, you get really high really quick, I live in los alamos at 7200 feet and I usually take my studded tires off on Tax Day. Santa fe is also at 7000 feet. Just to give you an idea of what can go wrong. Here is the Santa Fe Mtb race in early May 2010: http://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/4571133393/ Not in the mountains mind you, that is probably a touch lower than 7000 feet just outside of the city proper. Now often you can get some nice spring road biking as the sun keeps things warm. Nights can be rough. Santa Fe and Los Alamos date of last frost is usually 6/1 or so depending on exactly where you are. However, as patrick said, usually winter gives way to wind. Here are some photos of an ill advised bob-ride in Albuquerque on 3/16/2008: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com/2008/03/nm-ibob-ride-in-few-pics-and-video.html You can see pictures of Patrick " I never flat" Moore fixing a flat, Ryan Watson and me among other bob /RBW listers. So it was probably reasonably warmish in Albuquerque that day, but check out the movie and the picture of Ryan afterwards. While that was a really windy day, it was not atypically windy for spring riding. As Ray pointed out there is nice cold skiing at the higher elevations, Los Alamos's xc ski area is at 9000 feet or so, but usually by march you can road ride in the morning in town (the one good loop road ride in town is the bandelier loop which goes from 7800 feet to 6300 feet or so) and xc ski up on the mountain in the afternoon. I believe I did an Xc ski race in los alamos the day before the bob-ride linked above. Anyhow, June and early July are probably good, after that the monsoons come with severe thunderstorms. Then again in september, before winter comes in october (in higher elevations again) I like to say there are months in which you will get snowed on, and the rest of the months you will probably get hailed on, so there are always challenges riding in the high country. Anyhow, plan carefully. Most of NM is above 4000 feet in altitude, even all the way to the border with mexico. The local bike racer list has fairly regular emails to house cyling tourists that gambled on Feb or October being good riding in Albuquerque, Las Cruces and Carlsbad and losing. Silver City and the Gila are also popular areas for cycling tourist and hikers to get caught by bad storms on the peripheries of winter. Good luck and plan well. Tarik > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:43 AM, MichaelH wrote: >> Actually that's the part of the state that I have toured on two >> occasions for about a month in total. I was thinking about coming >> across the south - hitting New Orleans & San Antonio before landing in >> Big Bend, then on to Carlsbad, and Las Cruces, before heading back >> north. >> michael >> > > Latest forecasts for ABQ area, mid 40s high with low 20s low; Las > Cruces 12-15 F higher. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I just bought a Selle An-Atomica LD Clydesdale saddle, mainly because it was on sale for $133 and I'm intrigued by the design and that it's MUSA. I'm wondering if I may have made a mistake by choosing this saddle over the Berthoud, which I considered but deemed not worthy of the higher cost. I've been riding a B.17 for about 3000 miles so far and it seems to be in real good shape and I am very comfortable on a B.17, but I'm wondering if there is something better. My primary concerns are a ride that is of maximum comfort, and I also want outstanding durability. Can any Selle An-Atomica users vouch for it's longevity, and can anyone compare the two (Berthoud & S.A)? Although the B.17 has served me well so far, I am a little worried about the longevity with a post-acquisition saddle, and I'm also generally always looking for gear improvements. Is the verdict that the Gilles Berthoud is the best bang for the buck, despite the higher cost? Also, my riding is always with the handlebars a few centimeters higher than the saddle. On Jan 8, 2:27 pm, Lee wrote: > Hey Rene. I just got mine in. Here's a brief visual comparison of the > saddle vis-a-vis a B-17 Champion Special: > > http://tinyurl.com/23eyb8o > > I've been slowly accumulating parts to upgrade my distance bike. The > Aspin will replace a Selle An-Atomica, which will go to my saddle-less > camping/utility bike. I had been switching my B-17S between my > commuter (the Quickbeam) and the utility bike. > > Best, > Lee > > On Jan 7, 3:47 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > > > Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I > > like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding > > forward. Always thought it should be flatter. > > > Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy. > > > René > > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > > On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > > > >> Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. > > >> It > > >> looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit > > >> if > > >> you buy thier saddle bags too. > > > >> I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable > > >> saddles > > >> now. > > > > wallbike.com > > > > 6month unconditional return guarantee. > > > > -sv > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
You are correct. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > >> The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just >> like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them >> for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories >> for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) > > you're starting with the premise of being an addict, or in the case of > food, people who have most likely been chronically overweight, > unhealthy and/or unfit. carbs, or any other source of calories for > that matter, do not pose a problem for people who have a healthy, long- > standing relationship with food. just like beer and wine don't pose a > problem for one who is control of his or her drinking. > >> I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd >> be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating >> paradigms . . .. > > It seems to me that those who espouse atkins, taubes, et al. are those > who chronically struggle with weight, health and fitness. they also > tend to be focused on weight loss and not overall health, as evidenced > by the diets they embrace. > > Most of the truly healthy, fit people i know eat/drink what ever they > want - but it's mostly vegetables, whole grains, nuts, > fruits . ..stuff without nutrition labels. carbs are certainly not > forbidden - two of my friends are outstanding bakers and delicious > bread and cake is always on the table when we eat together. the > handful of serious athletes (those who train, compete to win) I know > are all vegetarian/vegan. none of these folks follow a *diet.* I > haven't seen any of them gain or lose significant weight for years. > > the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, > for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship > with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a > *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their > relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
Right - to change the batteries, I'll have to remove the wheel. I think that's acceptable, especially when you have to stop and get out a screwdriver anyways. I've only had it mounted on there for a week, but i think it's the best possible spot for a tail light when using a saddlebag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
On Jan 8, 1:12 pm, George Schick wrote: > ...But my favorite would have to be a tie between the one about Lon Haldeman > & RAAM and the one about Freddy Hoffman. Haldeman's explanation of "used motor oil" on saddles comes right up after all those years! He was misquoted, of course. The typography story was great. Because of that article, I spent a lot of time looking for just the perfect font when I started my business. And, I sat though an interesting but quite dry film called Helvetica. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks
I've been eyeballing low rider front racks. For the first couple of years Rivendell sold the Nitto Campee with the bolt on low riders, and had a simple low rider only with hoop in development (Reader 15, page 13) but at some point decided to eschew the low and go high. I wonder what made them see the high rider religion? I have a Carradice Limpet, the rackless, velcro and hop-mount bags, but unfortunately I've just never come to love it. When I find a good deal or trade on a rack, I want to switch out the Limpet. I'm sure with global economies and such $220 is the fair price for a Nitto Campee, but that's not in the budget right now. VO says they have something in development but can't discuss it's design or timing. On Jan 8, 1:04 pm, omnigrid wrote: > I was not impressed with a VO rack I installed on a customer's bicycle. The > welds were ugly, everything was out of alignment, the finish was not > anywhere near that of a Nitto, and the piece that attaches to the fork crown > was flimsy and sure to fail eventually. I'm sure it would perform just fine > for a little while, but the build quality was just not there. > > You get what you pay for. "Buy once, cry once." > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Minh wrote: > > > I'll second this request. Do the vo racks line up with the rvindell > > braze ons? > > > And is the main diff between the nitto mini front and the marks rack > > the way the stays attach? > > > On Jan 8, 2:17 pm, MikeC wrote: > > > Not to hijack this thread, but how do the VO's in stainless steel > > > compare to the Nittos in cro-mo in design and quality? They seem > > > pretty similar in photos and VOs are half to two-thirds the price. > > > > -Mike > > > > On Jan 8, 12:09 pm, Earl Grey wrote: > > > > > Go with the Mini. It's a great rack, and mine has carried well over 30 > > lbs > > > > without a problem. In fact, the superiority of the Mini is a major > > reason to > > > > get a cantilever bike, IMO. > > > > > I have no experience with the two-strut, so take my comments with a > > grain of > > > > salt, but despite the double struts I doubt it can carry more weight > > than > > > > the mini, because its attachment to the fork crown is much less secure > > > > (bolted-on flat piece of flexible steel vs. brazed-on solid round steel > > > > rod). That said, the two strut will fit cantis acc. to rivbike: "It > > mounts > > > > to any of our bikes, and most others". For the most secure attachment, > > you'd > > > > probably want to run a bolt through your forkcrown to attach the flat > > metal > > > > piece to... > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Gernot > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
regarding b17 vs. berthoud touring... are the rails longer on the berthoud...or just as short as on the b17? On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud > because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? > > > > JimP > > Jim: > > Berthoud is definitely a company very much in the French tradition - > small, family run, not necessarily concerned about being the biggest > or fastest to market. at least in my opinion anyway, they make nice > stuff. > > The Berthoud saddle does not look all that much like Ideale the > classic French saddle I and some other posters mention. It is a > unique design whether that means it is uniquely French, I could not > say. > > > On Jan 7, 12:24 pm, jim phillips wrote: > > My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud > because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? > > > > JimP > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800 > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring > > > From: leec...@gmail.com > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > > > Joel and Clayton: > > > > > I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin > > > than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it > > > to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the > > > Apsin? > > > > > Thanks, > > > Lee > > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott wrote: > > > > I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt > through > > > > my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud > touring > > > > saddle. > > > > I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is > a > > > > little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough > > > > room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. > > > > The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. > > > > Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot > firmer. I did > > > > ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the > end I > > > > did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly > > > > protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only > started > > > > setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and > distracting > > > > nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame > of the > > > > b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a > 100 > > > > miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and > I get > > > > more used to eachother. > > > > I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle > for 60 > > > > days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. > > > > > > Best, > > > > Clayton Scott > > > > SF, CA > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews > wrote: > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and > didn't > > > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral > wide > > > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > > > My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city > > > > > saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more > > > > > comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend > to > > > > > need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and > copy > > > > > that model? > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > > > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or > stored in > > > > > > > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work > as > > > > > > > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. > > > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and > didn't > > > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral > wide > > > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com e...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owner
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I'm also one of the apparent minority who tried a Berthoud, and found it uncomfortable, even on reasonably short rides--25 miles. The material and build quality is amazing and I was disappointed that the comfort didn't match all the other exceptional qualities of this saddle. I have B-17's in various versions on all my bikes--Champion Flyer on the commuter with upright bars, Ti versions on my brevet bike and tandem. I've only had one B-17 fail due to assymetrical stretching, and it was replaced by Brooks under warranty. My weight is about 180 lbs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Yes it would... :-) Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > Rene: > > If the Berthoud works out, COULD this mean you may have a veritable > arsenal of B17s available for sale??? (tee hee hee) > > Bobby "I've already bought a B17 from Rene" Birmingham > > On Jan 7, 6:47 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: >> Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I >> like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding >> forward. Always thought it should be flatter. >> >> Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy. >> >> René >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4 >> >> On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >> Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. It looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if you buy thier saddle bags too. >> I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable saddles now. >> >>> wallbike.com >> >>> 6month unconditional return guarantee. >> >>> -sv >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
I use VO skewers on my commuter. Truth is, you are only relying on the skewer to thwart opportunistic thiefs. If you have a $1500 wheelset that a pro wants, he'll get it. Pitlock or not. It probably just as easy for them to take the whole bike. I have QR skewers in my Sam because I often put it in or on vehicles, and often have my wheels off when I'm messing with bike parts for fun. They are handy for that. On Jan 8, 3:52 pm, Travis wrote: > I own both Pitlock and VO skewers. There is no comparison of course. I > don't know why, but the VO skewers have sort of a knurled surface on > the outside, so it looks like they could be opened with a good set of > pliers. Also, keys for those hex-pin bolts can be had at most hardware > stores. I'd say the VO skewer provides just a tad more security than > an allen bolt skewer. I use mine on a wheel which I wouldn't really > mind replacing because it's nearing the end of it's useful life > anyway. > > The Pitlock design is really much further advanced than any other > locking skewers out there. I see two ways to defeat it, but they > require quite a bit of ingenuity. I live in NYC and use them on a > decent wheelset. I have enough faith in them that I lock only my frame > which is tremendously freeing. I carry one of the Pit keys on a large > key ring with my keys and this gives me just enough torque to adjust > them if needed. Also, I use them on a bike with horizontal drop-outs > even though you're not supposed to. It's been holding up fine. Of > course, this bike has a freewheel - I would not try this with a SS/ > fixed set-up. > > Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Have not used the Berthoud but my fears about it are two-fold. Would the frame handle my weight (220 to 230)? At least metal is known to be able to handle that girth and not fail. Also, how would it handle a Minnesota winter? Althought am not sure it would be the saddle that would end up on my winter bike. (Which is currently a choice between a Terry and a VO.) Am starting to feel my B-17 saddles are slowly dying. Although having to put up with my heft for the past few years would probably make any material fail. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 8, 5:46 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > > My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because > > it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? > > > JimP > > Jim: > > Berthoud is definitely a company very much in the French tradition - > small, family run, not necessarily concerned about being the biggest > or fastest to market. at least in my opinion anyway, they make nice > stuff. > > The Berthoud saddle does not look all that much like Ideale the > classic French saddle I and some other posters mention. It is a > unique design whether that means it is uniquely French, I could not > say. > > On Jan 7, 12:24 pm, jim phillips wrote: > > > > > My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because > > it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? > > > JimP > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800 > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring > > > From: leec...@gmail.com > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > > Joel and Clayton: > > > > I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin > > > than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it > > > to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the > > > Apsin? > > > > Thanks, > > > Lee > > > San Francisco, CA > > > > On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott wrote: > > > > I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt > > > > through > > > > my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring > > > > saddle. > > > > I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a > > > > little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough > > > > room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. > > > > The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. > > > > Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. > > > > I did > > > > ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the > > > > end I > > > > did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly > > > > protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started > > > > setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting > > > > nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame > > > > of the > > > > b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a > > > > 100 > > > > miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I > > > > get > > > > more used to eachother. > > > > I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle > > > > for 60 > > > > days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. > > > > > Best, > > > > Clayton Scott > > > > SF, CA > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide > > > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > > My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city > > > > > saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more > > > > > comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. > > > > > > Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to > > > > > need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy > > > > > that model? > > > > > > On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > > > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or > > > > > > > stored in > > > > > > > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as > > > > > > > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. > > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide > > > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this
Re: [RBW] Re: Skewers?
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 6:05 PM, EricP wrote: > > > Have also used the Zefal QR (that Riv used to sell). Those had a > different problem. If I cranked the cam down tight, the pin wouldn't > always dislodge. Scared me nigh on half to death one time trying to > fix a flat. That was also in winter. Could easily have been a > binding issue between two different materials. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > I stopped using the Zefal for the same reason. I had a time where it was difficult to open when changing a flat in the winter. Dan Abelson St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
A cover might get me to use Pitlock again. Have two sets. Ran them on both my Hillborne and my LHT. On the latter, which is my winter bike, the Pitlock started to seize. Had a devil of a time removing the wheel one time. There was no obvious rust in the system. That pretty much scared me off of Pitlocks. Although if you live in more temperate climates (or are better at maintenance) they are a nice choice. (Also don't like only two keys. Prefer three. One to carry, one for the shop, one in house as spare.) Have also used the Zefal QR (that Riv used to sell). Those had a different problem. If I cranked the cam down tight, the pin wouldn't always dislodge. Scared me nigh on half to death one time trying to fix a flat. That was also in winter. Could easily have been a binding issue between two different materials. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 8, 4:07 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > I use Pitlocks on my bike with hollow axle hubs. They are good > looking, well made and fairly easy to remove, provided you remember to > bring your coded pit socket. > > Not sure if PJW sells them, but Urban Bike Tech in Canada sells nice > caps for the pit side so you can have a really clean look. > > On Jan 8, 12:32 pm, Marty wrote: > > > > > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > > experience with Pitlock? > > > Marty- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
> My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because > it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? > > JimP Jim: Berthoud is definitely a company very much in the French tradition - small, family run, not necessarily concerned about being the biggest or fastest to market. at least in my opinion anyway, they make nice stuff. The Berthoud saddle does not look all that much like Ideale the classic French saddle I and some other posters mention. It is a unique design whether that means it is uniquely French, I could not say. On Jan 7, 12:24 pm, jim phillips wrote: > My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because > it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? > > JimP > > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800 > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring > > From: leec...@gmail.com > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > Joel and Clayton: > > > I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin > > than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it > > to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the > > Apsin? > > > Thanks, > > Lee > > San Francisco, CA > > > On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott wrote: > > > I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through > > > my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring > > > saddle. > > > I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a > > > little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough > > > room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. > > > The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. > > > Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I > > > did > > > ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I > > > did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly > > > protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started > > > setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting > > > nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of > > > the > > > b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 > > > miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get > > > more used to eachother. > > > I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for > > > 60 > > > days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. > > > > Best, > > > Clayton Scott > > > SF, CA > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and > > > > > didn't > > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide > > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city > > > > saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more > > > > comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. > > > > > Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to > > > > need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy > > > > that model? > > > > > On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored > > > > > > in > > > > > > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as > > > > > > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and > > > > > didn't > > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide > > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > e...@googlegroups.com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
Shimano skewers are nearly impossible to beat mechanically. Any internal cam wins over external. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html On Jan 8, 11:32 am, Marty wrote: > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > experience with Pitlock? > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Rene, B17s work very well for me. I first bought one from early Rivendell back in 1995 for my Robin Hood 3speed http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695...@n00/3993215438/in/set-72157607471577085/ After a few years, I realized it was the most comfortable saddle I had ridden, and bought another for my road bike, then all other bikes except the mtn bike. B17s are perfectly comfortable out of the box. But the fast wear and quickly changing/sagging leather has made me concerned. I bought a cork Touring Berthoud last fall. Beautiful finish and thick thick leather convinced me to purchase from Rene Herse cycles in Boulder. I have several shortish rides on it so far, and it does not have B17 comfort for me. I think the not-quite-as-wide back is not a problem. I think perhaps it is the very flat profile of the Berthoud that may feel different to me compared to the distinct fore-aft dip in the B17. But I have high hopes. A few sweaty hot rides may help to modify the saddle to me. Its hard to get sweaty on the bike at this time of year with 2 inches of snow on the ground. I want to like the Berthoud. But at this point we are still assessing each other to see if it will be a match. On Jan 6, 10:40 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17 > saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one. > > Thanks, > > René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Jim -- thanks for your work in maintaining this list, and for your flexibility. No more from *me* on food -- for a while. Patrick Moore, who just grunted and groaned his heavy '73 Gr Record Motobecane grocery bike up a 3 mile climb, back down again, and up another 1 mile climb, in a single, 67" fixed gear and is hungrily waiting for chicken "mole' " (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(sauce)) made by his brother Peter, visiting from LA. OK, no more after *that*. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Today's Video
Still playing around with iMovie and my new camera ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6-MIPBosEg Ride was steel/leather/wool-equipped (including a canvas Baggins bag). --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks
I have the Nitto Mini (which I love)... It looks awesome, has beautiful welds and finish, and it's STRONG... Nicest front rack I've ever owned. I think this is THE rack to get if it fits your setup, and you're planning to stick with the same bike. If you plan to switch it to different bikes (or potentially use it as a rear rack), then I think Mark's Rack may offer a little more versatility. (I just ordered one for this reason). BB On Jan 8, 4:04 pm, omnigrid wrote: > I was not impressed with a VO rack I installed on a customer's bicycle. The > welds were ugly, everything was out of alignment, the finish was not > anywhere near that of a Nitto, and the piece that attaches to the fork crown > was flimsy and sure to fail eventually. I'm sure it would perform just fine > for a little while, but the build quality was just not there. > > You get what you pay for. "Buy once, cry once." > > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Minh wrote: > > > I'll second this request. Do the vo racks line up with the rvindell > > braze ons? > > > And is the main diff between the nitto mini front and the marks rack > > the way the stays attach? > > > On Jan 8, 2:17 pm, MikeC wrote: > > > Not to hijack this thread, but how do the VO's in stainless steel > > > compare to the Nittos in cro-mo in design and quality? They seem > > > pretty similar in photos and VOs are half to two-thirds the price. > > > > -Mike > > > > On Jan 8, 12:09 pm, Earl Grey wrote: > > > > > Go with the Mini. It's a great rack, and mine has carried well over 30 > > lbs > > > > without a problem. In fact, the superiority of the Mini is a major > > reason to > > > > get a cantilever bike, IMO. > > > > > I have no experience with the two-strut, so take my comments with a > > grain of > > > > salt, but despite the double struts I doubt it can carry more weight > > than > > > > the mini, because its attachment to the fork crown is much less secure > > > > (bolted-on flat piece of flexible steel vs. brazed-on solid round steel > > > > rod). That said, the two strut will fit cantis acc. to rivbike: "It > > mounts > > > > to any of our bikes, and most others". For the most secure attachment, > > you'd > > > > probably want to run a bolt through your forkcrown to attach the flat > > metal > > > > piece to... > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Gernot > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > e...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
Here's way you were reading from Douglas Brooks on Resolved vs Resourceful bikes: http://search.bikelist.org/?SearchString=resolved&msgfrom=d...@mail.rochester.edu&SortBy=MsgDate[d] Courtesy of the bikelist.org archives... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jan 8, 1:54 pm, JimD wrote: > Well said Jim. > I wish I could find the thing I read from Douglas Brooks where he > talks about 'resolved' and 'resourcefull' bikes. > > A Hampsten Tournesol Rando bike is an example of a resolved bike. > Everything is optimized for the function of long distance/unsupported > riding. > > A Rivendell (pick any one) is a premier example of a 'resourceful' bike. > Grant designs great riding bikes that are flexibly configurable. They > may be aimed at different > primary riding domains (Roadeo vs Bombadil) but can be setup across a > wide range within the > design target domain. > > Underlying this approach to the hardware is a sensibility for > bicycling and bicyclers that is wide > ranging - everything but racing. > > For me this sensibility has enriched the experience of bicycling > beyond the bounds of my perspective during > my first 20 years of riding. I was riding '10 speed racing bikes' and > should go fast, train, be like Eddy. > As I 'matured' I found the challenge of going fast and faster was > getting hard and harder. > I had to succumb to the dreaded triple to climb the hills around here. > > Once I realized I wasn't racing. I started thinking about other > approaches. > Having discovered Rivendell I'm riding more and having more fun than > ever before. > > -JimD > > On Jan 8, 2011, at 11:09 AM Jan 8, 2011, CycloFiend wrote: > > > > > > > > > on 1/7/11 12:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper at tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: > > (great questions which ended with...) > >> What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that > >> difference to > >> those that just see a steel antique looking bke? > > > I think there have been a couple of handling or "discussion of trail" > > threads where this has popped up before. These are a couple points > > I've > > probably made before... > > > Rivendells (and I include all of the designs, not simply custom > > models) have > > a similar quality of ride. While a Roadeo is different from a > > Bombadil, > > there's an underlying set of design tenets which seems pretty > > consistent. > > For me, in my riding conditions, they are superlative. They are > > stable, > > predictable, solid handling bikes that generally keep me out of > > trouble, and > > then react appropriately when I'm silly enough to get my self into > > it. If > > they didn't handle well, nothing else would matter. > > > The handling and ride is a sum of a all parts. It isn't _JUST_ > > trail, head > > angle, bb height, chainstay length, angles, and length. It's all of > > those > > things. You cannot just change one aspect and have the same bike. > > The > > bicycles are a product of those variables, plus the things which > > Grant has > > learned in the XX number of years of plotting out frames, testing > > them and > > thinking pretty deeply about the results. > > > The bicycle designs have grown to be incredibly versatile. Ten years > > ago, > > the longer reach brakes weren't availalble. The clearances which we > > now > > enjoy were only possible with canti brakes. Finding a 28mm 700C > > tire was > > difficult, let alone a higher quality 30mm+ tire. The limiting > > factors have > > been the components, and Grant has always been pushing the envelope > > in this > > particular corner of the bicycle world. Add to that his commitment > > to high > > quality bags and racks and you end up with a useful and continually > > variable > > design. As I've repeated too many times, both my Quickbeam and > > Hilsen have > > been errand bikes, road bikes, mountain bikes, race bikes and brevet > > bikes > > in the time I've had them. Over the past couple years, I've grown to > > feel > > that if a bicycle can't be fendered or adapted, it really is not a > > "bicycle" > > in the true sense. In other words, when people ask what my "road > > bike" is, > > I kind of stare at them blankly. > > > All of this could be done roughly, or quickly, or with a more > > industrial > > design tenet, but the fact that Rivendell connects the tubes with > > lugs, has > > small, undernoticed details and pays attention to decal fonts, paint > > colors, > > and bicycle packaging (just to pick out a quick few) to the extent > > that they > > do just locks them in for me. It distinguishes them as practitioners > > of a > > craft. It's important to me to support that. The "finish" work is > > part of > > the craft...part of the art of what they practice. > > > I suppose it's easy to equate the outside, finishing layer with the > > whole. > > The first thing someone notices is the paint layer, the contrasting > > colors, > > the lugs. While that's part of the equatio
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
I use Pitlocks on my bike with hollow axle hubs. They are good looking, well made and fairly easy to remove, provided you remember to bring your coded pit socket. Not sure if PJW sells them, but Urban Bike Tech in Canada sells nice caps for the pit side so you can have a really clean look. On Jan 8, 12:32 pm, Marty wrote: > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > experience with Pitlock? > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
I'm only 6' but I think my 94cm PBH qualifies me as 'tall' 64cm Rambouillet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Sorry admin hat, I missed your advice to cease and desist: I often write a little in between other tasks and then hit send. That's email for you. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bill Gibson wrote: > I think the version of low-carb diet that is Paleo is "Rivendell related" > during this season when so many cyclists have to deal with ride deprivation. > I think the group here can handle the reality that there is no disputing > individual differences, including real medical needs, but have an open mind, > curiosity, romantic yearning for adventure, much love for life lived uphill > and into the wind, under blazing sun and stars, and a distrust of mass > marketed fads, including diets. A good ride makes me hungry. Velocio taught > me early on to eat before I'm hungry, drink before I'm thirsty, which is > advice that I have never forgotten! Well, no, I bonk sometimes. > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > >> on 1/8/11 10:28 AM, Philip Williamson at philip.william...@gmail.comwrote: >> > Stayed out of it as long as I could, >> >> Word. >> >> >> >> Yep. General "Diet" threads are OT. OT threads within the confines of >> this >> group are, well... "OT". >> >> Of course, GP keeps mucking up the waters by posting about it and bringing >> up the Primal and Taube approaches. And since you probably don't know me >> well enough to know that I'm chuckling as I type that, here's the >> emoticon... ;^) In other words, there's more of a spectrum sometimes than >> a >> hard edge. >> >> I think it's good to ask basic questions, consider them thoroughly and >> consider the assumptions you retain and adhere to. I'd guess that most of >> us >> have found our way to Rivendell bicycles and this group because we >> questioned the assumptions of the Bike Industry - that racing was the core >> design tenet, that we'd "get used to" the discomfort we felt on a bike, >> that >> when it rained we got sluiced or rode the trainer inside... >> >> In other words, I think it's in our (and I mean this group's) wiring to >> dig >> down on these topics. >> >> It's also winter, which means that for many of us, a few more months will >> pass until we can feel the real breeze upon our cheeks and the hiss of >> tires >> upon the road. That means it's a real possibility to get a bit wrapped up >> in the conversation as an end to itself. It let's us live vicariously, >> enjoy >> the intensity of feeling which goes with an invigorating ride. >> >> There's always a point in every thread where diminishing returns begin to >> occur. There's a point in some threads where it's more of a two way chat >> than a general topic of discussion. Historically, we as a group have been >> excellent at knowing when to disengage, take it to a private back channel >> or >> simply agree to disagree. >> >> We are not the iBob group, and as I've said before in various "State of >> The >> List Reports", our strength and vitality as a group stems from the >> specificity of our topic - Rivendell Bicycle Works. It's ulimately up to >> each of us to maintain that balance. >> >> This probably ought to just morph into a SOTL Report... >> >> >> >> >> - Jim >> >> Previous SOTLR's - >> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr >> >> -- >> Jim Edgar / list admin >> cyclofi...@earthlink.net >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Bill Gibson > Tempe, Arizona, USA > -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
I think the version of low-carb diet that is Paleo is "Rivendell related" during this season when so many cyclists have to deal with ride deprivation. I think the group here can handle the reality that there is no disputing individual differences, including real medical needs, but have an open mind, curiosity, romantic yearning for adventure, much love for life lived uphill and into the wind, under blazing sun and stars, and a distrust of mass marketed fads, including diets. A good ride makes me hungry. Velocio taught me early on to eat before I'm hungry, drink before I'm thirsty, which is advice that I have never forgotten! Well, no, I bonk sometimes. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM, CycloFiend wrote: > on 1/8/11 10:28 AM, Philip Williamson at philip.william...@gmail.comwrote: > > Stayed out of it as long as I could, > > Word. > > > > Yep. General "Diet" threads are OT. OT threads within the confines of > this > group are, well... "OT". > > Of course, GP keeps mucking up the waters by posting about it and bringing > up the Primal and Taube approaches. And since you probably don't know me > well enough to know that I'm chuckling as I type that, here's the > emoticon... ;^) In other words, there's more of a spectrum sometimes than > a > hard edge. > > I think it's good to ask basic questions, consider them thoroughly and > consider the assumptions you retain and adhere to. I'd guess that most of > us > have found our way to Rivendell bicycles and this group because we > questioned the assumptions of the Bike Industry - that racing was the core > design tenet, that we'd "get used to" the discomfort we felt on a bike, > that > when it rained we got sluiced or rode the trainer inside... > > In other words, I think it's in our (and I mean this group's) wiring to dig > down on these topics. > > It's also winter, which means that for many of us, a few more months will > pass until we can feel the real breeze upon our cheeks and the hiss of > tires > upon the road. That means it's a real possibility to get a bit wrapped up > in the conversation as an end to itself. It let's us live vicariously, > enjoy > the intensity of feeling which goes with an invigorating ride. > > There's always a point in every thread where diminishing returns begin to > occur. There's a point in some threads where it's more of a two way chat > than a general topic of discussion. Historically, we as a group have been > excellent at knowing when to disengage, take it to a private back channel > or > simply agree to disagree. > > We are not the iBob group, and as I've said before in various "State of The > List Reports", our strength and vitality as a group stems from the > specificity of our topic - Rivendell Bicycle Works. It's ulimately up to > each of us to maintain that balance. > > This probably ought to just morph into a SOTL Report... > > > > > - Jim > > Previous SOTLR's - > http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr > > -- > Jim Edgar / list admin > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
There have been many, many great articles over the years about various facets of bicycle riding - from truly ergonomic positioning to saddle, bar, and pedal choices and the advantages of each - that I enjoyed. And, of course, the technical how-to stuff was always welcomed. But my favorite would have to be a tie between the one about Lon Haldeman & RAAM and the one about Freddy Hoffman. On Jan 7, 8:42 pm, "colin p. cummings" wrote: > To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article > you've read in a Riv Reader? > > I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a > typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't > remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and > fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article > about wrapping twine. > > Colin Cummings > Amarillo, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks
I was not impressed with a VO rack I installed on a customer's bicycle. The welds were ugly, everything was out of alignment, the finish was not anywhere near that of a Nitto, and the piece that attaches to the fork crown was flimsy and sure to fail eventually. I'm sure it would perform just fine for a little while, but the build quality was just not there. You get what you pay for. "Buy once, cry once." On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Minh wrote: > > I'll second this request. Do the vo racks line up with the rvindell > braze ons? > > And is the main diff between the nitto mini front and the marks rack > the way the stays attach? > > > On Jan 8, 2:17 pm, MikeC wrote: > > Not to hijack this thread, but how do the VO's in stainless steel > > compare to the Nittos in cro-mo in design and quality? They seem > > pretty similar in photos and VOs are half to two-thirds the price. > > > > -Mike > > > > On Jan 8, 12:09 pm, Earl Grey wrote: > > > > > > > > > Go with the Mini. It's a great rack, and mine has carried well over 30 > lbs > > > without a problem. In fact, the superiority of the Mini is a major > reason to > > > get a cantilever bike, IMO. > > > > > I have no experience with the two-strut, so take my comments with a > grain of > > > salt, but despite the double struts I doubt it can carry more weight > than > > > the mini, because its attachment to the fork crown is much less secure > > > (bolted-on flat piece of flexible steel vs. brazed-on solid round steel > > > rod). That said, the two strut will fit cantis acc. to rivbike: "It > mounts > > > to any of our bikes, and most others". For the most secure attachment, > you'd > > > probably want to run a bolt through your forkcrown to attach the flat > metal > > > piece to... > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Gernot > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
Okay, this is heresy, but I have a hard time seeing a quick release skewer as having any value except to racers with numb fingers at the top of a mountain. If I lose 30 seconds every time I flat, I'll live with that. The allen wrench I keep in my tool kit is a simpler and lighter way to tighten a skewer than a cam, and I don't need one for every wheel I own. For security, the allen wrench is better, and any of the locking skewers is better yet. Lastly, quick releases have a long handle that legend says could grab objects and cause a wreck. I've liked the Kore/Onguard locking skewers for some time, and I don't even know what brand the allen key skewers are. I hope these are all still in production. PJW sells Pitlocks, which look like a system similar to Kore/Onguard. On Jan 8, 12:15 pm, "Bill M." wrote: > The VO skewers look like they might be decent. Classic design, > anyway, not an internal cam. > > On Jan 8, 10:32 am, Marty wrote: > > > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > > experience with Pitlock? > > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What Makes the Rivendell
I agree with it all, what a great bike to make into what you want. The one thing I find quite amazing-this is an observation, not a critique-is, especially on Cyclofiend, the amazing amounts of stuff that people hang on their bikes. It's like farkle city! On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:54 PM, JimD wrote: > Well said Jim. > I wish I could find the thing I read from Douglas Brooks where he talks > about 'resolved' and 'resourcefull' bikes. > A Hampsten Tournesol Rando bike is an example of a resolved bike. > Everything is optimized for the function of long distance/unsupported > riding. > A Rivendell (pick any one) is a premier example of a 'resourceful' bike. > Grant designs great riding bikes that are flexibly configurable. They may be > aimed at different > primary riding domains (Roadeo vs Bombadil) but can be setup across a wide > range within the > design target domain. > Underlying this approach to the hardware is a sensibility for bicycling and > bicyclers that is wide > ranging - everything but racing. > For me this sensibility has enriched the experience of bicycling beyond the > bounds of my perspective during > my first 20 years of riding. I was riding '10 speed racing bikes' and > should go fast, train, be like Eddy. > As I 'matured' I found the challenge of going fast and faster was getting > hard and harder. > I had to succumb to the dreaded triple to climb the hills around here. > Once I realized I wasn't racing. I started thinking about other approaches. > Having discovered Rivendell I'm riding more and having more fun than ever > before. > -JimD > > > On Jan 8, 2011, at 11:09 AM Jan 8, 2011, CycloFiend wrote: > > on 1/7/11 12:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper at tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: > (great questions which ended with...) > > What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that difference to > > those that just see a steel antique looking bke? > > I think there have been a couple of handling or "discussion of trail" > threads where this has popped up before. These are a couple points I've > probably made before... > > Rivendells (and I include all of the designs, not simply custom models) have > a similar quality of ride. While a Roadeo is different from a Bombadil, > there's an underlying set of design tenets which seems pretty consistent. > For me, in my riding conditions, they are superlative. They are stable, > predictable, solid handling bikes that generally keep me out of trouble, and > then react appropriately when I'm silly enough to get my self into it. If > they didn't handle well, nothing else would matter. > > The handling and ride is a sum of a all parts. It isn't _JUST_ trail, head > angle, bb height, chainstay length, angles, and length. It's all of those > things. You cannot just change one aspect and have the same bike. The > bicycles are a product of those variables, plus the things which Grant has > learned in the XX number of years of plotting out frames, testing them and > thinking pretty deeply about the results. > > The bicycle designs have grown to be incredibly versatile. Ten years ago, > the longer reach brakes weren't availalble. The clearances which we now > enjoy were only possible with canti brakes. Finding a 28mm 700C tire was > difficult, let alone a higher quality 30mm+ tire. The limiting factors have > been the components, and Grant has always been pushing the envelope in this > particular corner of the bicycle world. Add to that his commitment to high > quality bags and racks and you end up with a useful and continually variable > design. As I've repeated too many times, both my Quickbeam and Hilsen have > been errand bikes, road bikes, mountain bikes, race bikes and brevet bikes > in the time I've had them. Over the past couple years, I've grown to feel > that if a bicycle can't be fendered or adapted, it really is not a "bicycle" > in the true sense. In other words, when people ask what my "road bike" is, > I kind of stare at them blankly. > > All of this could be done roughly, or quickly, or with a more industrial > design tenet, but the fact that Rivendell connects the tubes with lugs, has > small, undernoticed details and pays attention to decal fonts, paint colors, > and bicycle packaging (just to pick out a quick few) to the extent that they > do just locks them in for me. It distinguishes them as practitioners of a > craft. It's important to me to support that. The "finish" work is part of > the craft...part of the art of what they practice. > > I suppose it's easy to equate the outside, finishing layer with the whole. > The first thing someone notices is the paint layer, the contrasting colors, > the lugs. While that's part of the equation, the strength lies underneath. > > - Jim > > -- > Jim Edgar > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > Singlespeed - Working Bikes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: [RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
Good topic idea! My first thought was the article about the guy who lived off wild figs and living wine, while following the road on the bike, until the season was over. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:29 PM, rob markwardt wrote: > One of my favorites (in # 27) was about the twins who toured from > Alaska to South America. One of them stayed down there and the other > rode back to the US on an XO-1, with Terrier riding atop luggage, > stopping in at Walnut Creek for a chat and ride with Grant. He got a > new saddle and headed off to?...wonder where he is now? > That same reader had a an interview with Charlie Cunningham, pics > of Chuck Schmidt's awesome vintage Mercian and also (I believe) > introduced the Quickbeam. The peak of the "Reader" imho. > > Rob > > On Jan 7, 6:42 pm, "colin p. cummings" > wrote: > > To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article > > you've read in a Riv Reader? > > > > I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a > > typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't > > remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and > > fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article > > about wrapping twine. > > > > Colin Cummings > > Amarillo, TX > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What Makes the Rivendell
Well said Jim. I wish I could find the thing I read from Douglas Brooks where he talks about 'resolved' and 'resourcefull' bikes. A Hampsten Tournesol Rando bike is an example of a resolved bike. Everything is optimized for the function of long distance/unsupported riding. A Rivendell (pick any one) is a premier example of a 'resourceful' bike. Grant designs great riding bikes that are flexibly configurable. They may be aimed at different primary riding domains (Roadeo vs Bombadil) but can be setup across a wide range within the design target domain. Underlying this approach to the hardware is a sensibility for bicycling and bicyclers that is wide ranging - everything but racing. For me this sensibility has enriched the experience of bicycling beyond the bounds of my perspective during my first 20 years of riding. I was riding '10 speed racing bikes' and should go fast, train, be like Eddy. As I 'matured' I found the challenge of going fast and faster was getting hard and harder. I had to succumb to the dreaded triple to climb the hills around here. Once I realized I wasn't racing. I started thinking about other approaches. Having discovered Rivendell I'm riding more and having more fun than ever before. -JimD On Jan 8, 2011, at 11:09 AM Jan 8, 2011, CycloFiend wrote: on 1/7/11 12:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper at tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: (great questions which ended with...) What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that difference to those that just see a steel antique looking bke? I think there have been a couple of handling or "discussion of trail" threads where this has popped up before. These are a couple points I've probably made before... Rivendells (and I include all of the designs, not simply custom models) have a similar quality of ride. While a Roadeo is different from a Bombadil, there's an underlying set of design tenets which seems pretty consistent. For me, in my riding conditions, they are superlative. They are stable, predictable, solid handling bikes that generally keep me out of trouble, and then react appropriately when I'm silly enough to get my self into it. If they didn't handle well, nothing else would matter. The handling and ride is a sum of a all parts. It isn't _JUST_ trail, head angle, bb height, chainstay length, angles, and length. It's all of those things. You cannot just change one aspect and have the same bike. The bicycles are a product of those variables, plus the things which Grant has learned in the XX number of years of plotting out frames, testing them and thinking pretty deeply about the results. The bicycle designs have grown to be incredibly versatile. Ten years ago, the longer reach brakes weren't availalble. The clearances which we now enjoy were only possible with canti brakes. Finding a 28mm 700C tire was difficult, let alone a higher quality 30mm+ tire. The limiting factors have been the components, and Grant has always been pushing the envelope in this particular corner of the bicycle world. Add to that his commitment to high quality bags and racks and you end up with a useful and continually variable design. As I've repeated too many times, both my Quickbeam and Hilsen have been errand bikes, road bikes, mountain bikes, race bikes and brevet bikes in the time I've had them. Over the past couple years, I've grown to feel that if a bicycle can't be fendered or adapted, it really is not a "bicycle" in the true sense. In other words, when people ask what my "road bike" is, I kind of stare at them blankly. All of this could be done roughly, or quickly, or with a more industrial design tenet, but the fact that Rivendell connects the tubes with lugs, has small, undernoticed details and pays attention to decal fonts, paint colors, and bicycle packaging (just to pick out a quick few) to the extent that they do just locks them in for me. It distinguishes them as practitioners of a craft. It's important to me to support that. The "finish" work is part of the craft...part of the art of what they practice. I suppose it's easy to equate the outside, finishing layer with the whole. The first thing someone notices is the paint layer, the contrasting colors, the lugs. While that's part of the equation, the strength lies underneath. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
I own both Pitlock and VO skewers. There is no comparison of course. I don't know why, but the VO skewers have sort of a knurled surface on the outside, so it looks like they could be opened with a good set of pliers. Also, keys for those hex-pin bolts can be had at most hardware stores. I'd say the VO skewer provides just a tad more security than an allen bolt skewer. I use mine on a wheel which I wouldn't really mind replacing because it's nearing the end of it's useful life anyway. The Pitlock design is really much further advanced than any other locking skewers out there. I see two ways to defeat it, but they require quite a bit of ingenuity. I live in NYC and use them on a decent wheelset. I have enough faith in them that I lock only my frame which is tremendously freeing. I carry one of the Pit keys on a large key ring with my keys and this gives me just enough torque to adjust them if needed. Also, I use them on a bike with horizontal drop-outs even though you're not supposed to. It's been holding up fine. Of course, this bike has a freewheel - I would not try this with a SS/ fixed set-up. Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
+1 on the descent without brakes article. If I recall, it was a reprint from a 1970s issue of Bicycling? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
On Jan 8, 10:22 am, Larry Schellhase wrote: ... > I am truly grateful to Grant and Rivendell for including tall frames in > their off the shelf inventory. It is truly rare to be able to buy a frame of > this size without getting it custom made. I believe the tall frames happened > at Rivendell because Bhima, the frame manager in the early part of this > century was very tall and Grant thought they should build frames that his > frame manager could ride. Yeah, and the large sizes are slowly contracting back to conventional standards as time progresses - but they're still the best selection in the business (VO told me they had no plans to make a larger frame "at least this year" ). When I mentioned Bhima's name to Jay several months ago, he said "sorry, I don't know who that is." I had to turn it into a joke with "well, everything I know about Rivendell is ten years old." Bhima may have been the early booster of really large tires, too. I remember talking with him, and I can't document it, but I seem to remember Grant writing about how "Bhima just swears by those Big Apples on his Atlantis." Did Bhima also get the first double top tube bike? Probably not, I'd bet a custom was first, but his was the first paratube Riv I remember seeing a photo of, anyway. One of the most unfortunate aspects of so much of Rivendell's ad copy, product descriptions and musings being on their website instead of in print is how ephemeral it all is. Every now and then I go to the site to try to re-remember something that I have a foggy memory of, and see it's modified or gone. The S24O info, for instance, is much more expansive in readers than what is now on the site. Much of the advice was tied in with products - and once the products are no longer for sale everything disappears. The cyclofiend site is the single best online source for obsolete Riv copy that I know, and I hope that it continues. Heck, I looked up the old Bike Pro online catalog recently, and it's still a great resource even though it's probably been out of business for over 10 years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
I run two of the Soma Bullets and really like them. http://store.somafab.com/sosiburesafl.html I use them in conjunction with a planet bike super flash - three lights are better than one :) On Jan 8, 2:12 pm, Travis wrote: > Cool, KP! But I assume you need to remove the rear wheel to remove the > batteries? > > I was thinking of mounting the clip on the back of the Radbot 1000 > sideways and then somehow installing the QR mount on the fender. > Though, now that I'm looking at it, I'm not sure of I can remove and > reorient the clip without breaking it... > > On Jan 8, 10:41 am, KP wrote: > > > > > I mounted the Radbot 1000 on my fender. First I popped off the clip > > and sanded down the back of the light to more closely match the curve > > of the fender. Then I used a longer screw to attach the fender to the > > light back. The same screw attaches the reflector to the back. > > I think the light is located in the best possible spot for the bike. > > It's not perfect, but this isn't a show bike by any means. > > > I'm not doing a good job of describing it, so posted a few pictures > > here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/39056...@n08/sets/72157625775993554/ > > > Kevin Mulcahy > > Chicago, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
on 1/6/11 9:40 PM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17 saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one. I have found that for me, the B17 is a bit too wide. I ordered a Brooks Swift through Rivendell a while back and really have grown to like it quite a bit. The reason I bring it up is because others have mentioned that the Berthoud saddle is a bit thicker. The Swift was definitely a thicker cut leather than the B17's I've owned. -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirt (and others!) - Now available http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
The VO skewers look like they might be decent. Classic design, anyway, not an internal cam. On Jan 8, 10:32 am, Marty wrote: > I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. > Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have > experience with Pitlock? > > Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
on 1/8/11 10:28 AM, Philip Williamson at philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: > Stayed out of it as long as I could, Word. Yep. General "Diet" threads are OT. OT threads within the confines of this group are, well... "OT". Of course, GP keeps mucking up the waters by posting about it and bringing up the Primal and Taube approaches. And since you probably don't know me well enough to know that I'm chuckling as I type that, here's the emoticon... ;^) In other words, there's more of a spectrum sometimes than a hard edge. I think it's good to ask basic questions, consider them thoroughly and consider the assumptions you retain and adhere to. I'd guess that most of us have found our way to Rivendell bicycles and this group because we questioned the assumptions of the Bike Industry - that racing was the core design tenet, that we'd "get used to" the discomfort we felt on a bike, that when it rained we got sluiced or rode the trainer inside... In other words, I think it's in our (and I mean this group's) wiring to dig down on these topics. It's also winter, which means that for many of us, a few more months will pass until we can feel the real breeze upon our cheeks and the hiss of tires upon the road. That means it's a real possibility to get a bit wrapped up in the conversation as an end to itself. It let's us live vicariously, enjoy the intensity of feeling which goes with an invigorating ride. There's always a point in every thread where diminishing returns begin to occur. There's a point in some threads where it's more of a two way chat than a general topic of discussion. Historically, we as a group have been excellent at knowing when to disengage, take it to a private back channel or simply agree to disagree. We are not the iBob group, and as I've said before in various "State of The List Reports", our strength and vitality as a group stems from the specificity of our topic - Rivendell Bicycle Works. It's ulimately up to each of us to maintain that balance. This probably ought to just morph into a SOTL Report... - Jim Previous SOTLR's - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr -- Jim Edgar / list admin cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
on 1/8/11 11:27 AM, robert zeidler at zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > ...and may I please forward the 1st suggestion for a new 65cm+ model > range? The Tall-One? Maybe with a foamy beer on the headbadge? > > RBW could have a separate range of bikes under Redwood, sort of like > the Toyota/Lexus thing. Actually, I do think it is important to speak up (or I guess, since all's y'all are so tall, that you would be speaking down to us 6-footers...). Grant wrote specifically that the SimpLeone would be in a narrower range of sizes unless he received a commitment on them (...was it 10?...) for larger/smaller riders. I'm certainly _not_ trying to leverage anyone into buying something that they can't afford, but it would probably be helpful to let John at Rivbike.com know that you are in that size range. I've worked as a retail buyer, and estimating sizing ranges to stock is crazy-making stuff. Just moving clothing out of the system is a tricky prospect - I can imagine the pressure of stocking $1,100+ bike frames in slower moving sizes - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Three T-shirts Now Available: "I've Got Downtube Shifters..." S/S T-shirt Cyclocross - "More Cowbell" L/S T-shirt "One Cog - Zero Excuses" L/S T-shirt http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks
on 1/8/11 11:17 AM, MikeC at mecinib...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Not to hijack this thread, but how do the VO's in stainless steel > compare to the Nittos in cro-mo in design and quality? They seem > pretty similar in photos and VOs are half to two-thirds the price. I would pretty much trust my life to anything Nitto makes. I've had a few conversations with GP about the amount of testing and attention which goes into the Nitto racks (and other items). The rigor of their process is truly impressive. I think that's what you pay for with Nitto. And, if you compare Nitto prices, you'll find that RBW is pretty much the "go-to" place for dollar value. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com "Maybe a bike, once discarded, pines away year after year for the first hand that steered it, and as it grows old it dreams, in its bike way, of the young roads." -- Robert McCammon, "Boy's Life" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks
on 1/8/11 11:25 AM, Minh at mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: > And is the main diff between the nitto mini front and the marks rack > the way the stays attach? I have both. The platforms are identical. Somewhere in my flickr stream are photos of each one. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
...and may I please forward the 1st suggestion for a new 65cm+ model range? The Tall-One? Maybe with a foamy beer on the headbadge? RBW could have a separate range of bikes under Redwood, sort of like the Toyota/Lexus thing. Can you tell it snowed here las night? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:14 PM, David Klatte wrote: > I think it is brilliant. Those people who can shop at the mall for > clothing have no idea the weird issues the very tall face. Rivendel is > such a tall friendly company that I think there are probably a > freakishly disproportionate number of us here. > > Has anyone tall tried the bike poncho? I'm worried my knees will get > wet. > > David (6'7", 100 PBH, 71 Hilsen) > > On Jan 7, 10:55 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: >> Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. >> >> OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the >> riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Craig >> >> Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 >> To: RBW Owners Bunch >> Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group >> >> Robert: >> >> Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or >> observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? >> What's the Riv-related content? >> >> DC >> (6'2";37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; >> 64cm Quickbeam) >> >> On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler wrote: >> > OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Hey Rene. I just got mine in. Here's a brief visual comparison of the saddle vis-a-vis a B-17 Champion Special: http://tinyurl.com/23eyb8o I've been slowly accumulating parts to upgrade my distance bike. The Aspin will replace a Selle An-Atomica, which will go to my saddle-less camping/utility bike. I had been switching my B-17S between my commuter (the Quickbeam) and the utility bike. Best, Lee On Jan 7, 3:47 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I > like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding > forward. Always thought it should be flatter. > > Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy. > > René > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > > >> Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. > >> It > >> looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if > >> you buy thier saddle bags too. > > >> I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable saddles > >> now. > > > wallbike.com > > > 6month unconditional return guarantee. > > > -sv > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I had several Ideale 90A (?) saddles back in the 1980s. Had them mounted on a Merz custom tourer and a Santana tandem. Sadly, my best buddy and neighbor did not care for the Ideale and placed his Brooks on the stoker's seat post. Loved the saddle, but the break-in to break-down period was much too short. That time frame was essentially from mile zero to mile 5,000 at best. I also never got into the habit of strictly maintaining a leather saddle that was on a bicycle I rode on a daily basis. I always ran into rain. Perhaps a topic on maintaining these great pieces of bicycle art (in regular use) would be a timely subject. I understand periodic use of Proof Hide, but perhaps there are those of you who have other suggestions in mind. On Jan 7, 11:12 am, JoelMatthews wrote: > I could never get comfortable on a B-17 or any of the Fizik saddles so > tried the Berthoud more out of desperation than anything. Right out > of the box I had an opportunity to do an ~500 mile trip. No > discomfort at all. > > As for appearance, I prefer Berthoud to the Brooks. The Berthoud > shape is less pronounced. In my opinion, Brooks has a very strong > silhouette that pulls the eye away from the lines of the bicycles. No > problem, obviously, if you like the Brooks shape. I am not as > enamored as some other riders . > > Some of the comments to the linked review mention Ideale saddles. I > collected Ideale over the years. I have since sold most but still > have two in the display case. They are lovely pieces of history. > Certainly an Ideale will match well with a correct restoration. > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. > > On Jan 6, 11:40 pm, Rene Sterental wrote:> Can anyone > provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17 > > saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one. > > > Thanks, > > > René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks
I'll second this request. Do the vo racks line up with the rvindell braze ons? And is the main diff between the nitto mini front and the marks rack the way the stays attach? On Jan 8, 2:17 pm, MikeC wrote: > Not to hijack this thread, but how do the VO's in stainless steel > compare to the Nittos in cro-mo in design and quality? They seem > pretty similar in photos and VOs are half to two-thirds the price. > > -Mike > > On Jan 8, 12:09 pm, Earl Grey wrote: > > > > > Go with the Mini. It's a great rack, and mine has carried well over 30 lbs > > without a problem. In fact, the superiority of the Mini is a major reason to > > get a cantilever bike, IMO. > > > I have no experience with the two-strut, so take my comments with a grain of > > salt, but despite the double struts I doubt it can carry more weight than > > the mini, because its attachment to the fork crown is much less secure > > (bolted-on flat piece of flexible steel vs. brazed-on solid round steel > > rod). That said, the two strut will fit cantis acc. to rivbike: "It mounts > > to any of our bikes, and most others". For the most secure attachment, you'd > > probably want to run a bolt through your forkcrown to attach the flat metal > > piece to... > > > Cheers, > > > Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] "New" Lauterwasser handlebars from Soma
Pretty cool: http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/12/lauterwasser-handlebars-launched.html I've noticed these bars on vintage/antique bikes and have always thought they looked great and might be highly functional for touring and city use. Though, I wish they had published full specs. It's hard to consider them for serious use without knowing about the reach, etc.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks
Not to hijack this thread, but how do the VO's in stainless steel compare to the Nittos in cro-mo in design and quality? They seem pretty similar in photos and VOs are half to two-thirds the price. -Mike On Jan 8, 12:09 pm, Earl Grey wrote: > Go with the Mini. It's a great rack, and mine has carried well over 30 lbs > without a problem. In fact, the superiority of the Mini is a major reason to > get a cantilever bike, IMO. > > I have no experience with the two-strut, so take my comments with a grain of > salt, but despite the double struts I doubt it can carry more weight than > the mini, because its attachment to the fork crown is much less secure > (bolted-on flat piece of flexible steel vs. brazed-on solid round steel > rod). That said, the two strut will fit cantis acc. to rivbike: "It mounts > to any of our bikes, and most others". For the most secure attachment, you'd > probably want to run a bolt through your forkcrown to attach the flat metal > piece to... > > Cheers, > > Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
Cool, KP! But I assume you need to remove the rear wheel to remove the batteries? I was thinking of mounting the clip on the back of the Radbot 1000 sideways and then somehow installing the QR mount on the fender. Though, now that I'm looking at it, I'm not sure of I can remove and reorient the clip without breaking it... On Jan 8, 10:41 am, KP wrote: > I mounted the Radbot 1000 on my fender. First I popped off the clip > and sanded down the back of the light to more closely match the curve > of the fender. Then I used a longer screw to attach the fender to the > light back. The same screw attaches the reflector to the back. > I think the light is located in the best possible spot for the bike. > It's not perfect, but this isn't a show bike by any means. > > I'm not doing a good job of describing it, so posted a few pictures > here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/39056...@n08/sets/72157625775993554/ > > Kevin Mulcahy > Chicago, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What Makes the Rivendell
on 1/7/11 12:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper at tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: (great questions which ended with...) > What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that difference to > those that just see a steel antique looking bke? I think there have been a couple of handling or "discussion of trail" threads where this has popped up before. These are a couple points I've probably made before... Rivendells (and I include all of the designs, not simply custom models) have a similar quality of ride. While a Roadeo is different from a Bombadil, there's an underlying set of design tenets which seems pretty consistent. For me, in my riding conditions, they are superlative. They are stable, predictable, solid handling bikes that generally keep me out of trouble, and then react appropriately when I'm silly enough to get my self into it. If they didn't handle well, nothing else would matter. The handling and ride is a sum of a all parts. It isn't _JUST_ trail, head angle, bb height, chainstay length, angles, and length. It's all of those things. You cannot just change one aspect and have the same bike. The bicycles are a product of those variables, plus the things which Grant has learned in the XX number of years of plotting out frames, testing them and thinking pretty deeply about the results. The bicycle designs have grown to be incredibly versatile. Ten years ago, the longer reach brakes weren't availalble. The clearances which we now enjoy were only possible with canti brakes. Finding a 28mm 700C tire was difficult, let alone a higher quality 30mm+ tire. The limiting factors have been the components, and Grant has always been pushing the envelope in this particular corner of the bicycle world. Add to that his commitment to high quality bags and racks and you end up with a useful and continually variable design. As I've repeated too many times, both my Quickbeam and Hilsen have been errand bikes, road bikes, mountain bikes, race bikes and brevet bikes in the time I've had them. Over the past couple years, I've grown to feel that if a bicycle can't be fendered or adapted, it really is not a "bicycle" in the true sense. In other words, when people ask what my "road bike" is, I kind of stare at them blankly. All of this could be done roughly, or quickly, or with a more industrial design tenet, but the fact that Rivendell connects the tubes with lugs, has small, undernoticed details and pays attention to decal fonts, paint colors, and bicycle packaging (just to pick out a quick few) to the extent that they do just locks them in for me. It distinguishes them as practitioners of a craft. It's important to me to support that. The "finish" work is part of the craft...part of the art of what they practice. I suppose it's easy to equate the outside, finishing layer with the whole. The first thing someone notices is the paint layer, the contrasting colors, the lugs. While that's part of the equation, the strength lies underneath. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New News Post - Stay on the edge aisles in the supermarket
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[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
I liked that typographer article. I think the most memorable article was the one where the author's brakes failed descending a mountain pass. I get visual flashbacks of it sometimes. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Jan 7, 6:42 pm, "colin p. cummings" wrote: > To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article > you've read in a Riv Reader? > > I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a > typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't > remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and > fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article > about wrapping twine. > > Colin Cummings > Amarillo, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell - It's not about the bike
The answer is not so much about any specific bike material decision. The answer is their attention to detail. Lots of companies care about details, but Rivendell cares about details that serve a wider range of cycling interests. (Do I owe Lance Armstrong money now?) On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Michael_S wrote: > I agree... it's all of the above. The bikes fit right, permit larger > tires, seem very balanced riding. > The lug work and attention to detail make the whole package perfect. > > I'm not sure about that elf thing though. I thought it was artesians. > > ~Mike~ > > On Jan 7, 6:15 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >>> My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. >> >> Incontrovertibly and incontestably nothing more important than **fit** >> and **handling** -- sez I whose 3 customs won't take more than 30s >> with fenders. >> >> -- >> Patrick Moore >> Albuquerque, NM >> For professional resumes, contact >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
My wife is 6' and has a pbh of 90.5, I am 6'5" and my pbh is 97.5. Early in 2003 we both ordered Rivendell's. When Grant sent to design sheets to us he included a note to me saying the bike he had designed for me was nearly identical to a 68cm Rambouillet and if I wanted to switch my order my deposit would be applied to the price of the Rambouillet. I now have the Rambouillet (repainted by JB) a 68cm Atlantis and a Bike Friday made from the Rambouillet dimensions. My wife has the Douglas Brooks blue Riv a Bike Friday and a Bruce Gordon BLT. I am truly grateful to Grant and Rivendell for including tall frames in their off the shelf inventory. It is truly rare to be able to buy a frame of this size without getting it custom made. I believe the tall frames happened at Rivendell because Bhima, the frame manager in the early part of this century was very tall and Grant thought they should build frames that his frame manager could ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Skewers?
I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have experience with Pitlock? Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New News Post
I have good friends who have lost a ton of weight switching to a Paleo diet... or switching to a Vegan diet. Both of those groups of eaters seem to get underweight, in my opinion. I agree with Patrick (and Patrick) that the real culprit is over- processed industrialized food. Any diet (with a small d) that makes you examine your food and choose the least processed, highest quality, is going to be better for you. There's more FOOD in it. Stayed out of it as long as I could, Philip On Jan 7, 6:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined > carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it > to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups > whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The > Japanese have very long average life, and it isn't because they are > scarfing down bacon and cheese. > > Sit still, quiet, breathe deeply, think peaceful thoughts, cultivate > one-ness with the cosmos -- and be patient, patient, patient: this fad > too shall pass. > > Patrick "happily and skinnily (at a svelte almost 56, 5'10" in bare > feet, 170 lb) eating his home made French bread with olive oil, salt > and pepper, who believes that a real culprit of dietary sin is > processed foods and who eats very little of them because they are so > g-d disgusting! > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > > > > > On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > > >> The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just > >> like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them > >> for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories > >> for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) > > > you're starting with the premise of being an addict, or in the case of > > food, people who have most likely been chronically overweight, > > unhealthy and/or unfit. carbs, or any other source of calories for > > that matter, do not pose a problem for people who have a healthy, long- > > standing relationship with food. just like beer and wine don't pose a > > problem for one who is control of his or her drinking. > > >> I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd > >> be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating > >> paradigms . . .. > > > It seems to me that those who espouse atkins, taubes, et al. are those > > who chronically struggle with weight, health and fitness. they also > > tend to be focused on weight loss and not overall health, as evidenced > > by the diets they embrace. > > > Most of the truly healthy, fit people i know eat/drink what ever they > > want - but it's mostly vegetables, whole grains, nuts, > > fruits . ..stuff without nutrition labels. carbs are certainly not > > forbidden - two of my friends are outstanding bakers and delicious > > bread and cake is always on the table when we eat together. the > > handful of serious athletes (those who train, compete to win) I know > > are all vegetarian/vegan. none of these folks follow a *diet.* I > > haven't seen any of them gain or lose significant weight for years. > > > the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, > > for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship > > with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a > > *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their > > relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy
I've been really liking my Marathon Supreme 42-622s (measure about 37.5), but they're too big too fit inside of my fenders. Currently, I'm using GB Cypres that measure almost 32, but I'm hoping to shoehorn an in-between size tire in. What do people think of Racers vs. Kojak's vs. Supremes? The Racer and Kojak seem to fill about the same niche, except for a wee bit of pattern. I'd probably try a Racer because there's a 40-622 (I imagine these measure about 35), where the 35-622 that come in both the Racer and Kojak are probably about the same size as the Cypres, only perhaps more durable. Maybe I should get Supremes in 37-622 and be done with it, though. Thoughts? On Jan 7, 6:31 am, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > For me when it comes to tires, it's like visiting my favorite > restaurant and always ordering the same dish... So even though I > always vow to try something different, at the last minute I always go > with the sure thing... Schwalbe Big Apple 2.0s... I just ordered 2 new > sets for project bikes...(I also have the 2.35s, which for toolin' > around on/off road they're such a blast, but have settled in on the > 2.0s as my new faves)... > > But I will have to try out the Kojak 2.0s (maybe to go with my > Kojak bike siren...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsXaoppIfow) > > Peace, > BB > > On Jan 6, 6:08 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > > > I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the > > tires were all Tour Guard. > > > --Eric N > > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce wrote: > > > > Eric- > > > > In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar > > > bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from > > > what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead > > > Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pete > > > > On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > > >> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some > > >> photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP: > > >> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm > > > >> --Eric N > > > >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce wrote: > > > >>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the > > >>> exact same thing. > > > >>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all > > >>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was > > >>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I > > >>> feel much better! > > > >>> -Pete > > > >>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > > I'll also weigh in for the Paselas. I've used them for many epic > > rides, including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles). I've seen the > > 700x32 size for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike > > Barn last year). > > > --Eric N > > > On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride. > > > I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ > > > 80-85psi from my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of > > > years now with no problems but I wanted something more supple. New > > > bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance > > > for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there! I tried > > > some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made > > > my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm > > > looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement > > > (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year! > > > > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to: > > > > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do) > > > Pasela Wire bead > > > GB Cypres > > > > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > >>> -- > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > >>> For more options, visit this group > > >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >
RE: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? JimP > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800 > Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring > From: leec...@gmail.com > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > Joel and Clayton: > > I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin > than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it > to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the > Apsin? > > Thanks, > Lee > San Francisco, CA > > On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott wrote: > > I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through > > my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring > > saddle. > > I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a > > little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough > > room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. > > The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. > > Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did > > ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I > > did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly > > protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started > > setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting > > nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the > > b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 > > miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get > > more used to eachother. > > I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60 > > days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. > > > > Best, > > Clayton Scott > > SF, CA > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city > > > saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more > > > comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. > > > > > Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to > > > need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy > > > that model? > > > > > On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in > > > > > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as > > > > > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
I think it is brilliant. Those people who can shop at the mall for clothing have no idea the weird issues the very tall face. Rivendel is such a tall friendly company that I think there are probably a freakishly disproportionate number of us here. Has anyone tall tried the bike poncho? I'm worried my knees will get wet. David (6'7", 100 PBH, 71 Hilsen) On Jan 7, 10:55 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. > > OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the > riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Craig > > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group > > Robert: > > Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or > observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? > What's the Riv-related content? > > DC > (6'2";37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; > 64cm Quickbeam) > > On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler wrote: > > OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
Rivendell bicycles are special for many reasons. Grant is Not a frame maker. He is a designer. Over many years of trial and error maybe even with a bit of luck or, better yet, magic, he came upon a design that really works and works wonderfully. Then, he searched to find the best frame makers to follow his design to the smallest nitpicking point. His frames are made for Rivendell Just as he designed them. best, JimP > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:45:53 -0800 > Subject: [RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell > From: willh...@yahoo.com > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > The magician never shares his secrets > > its a mystery that should never be put into exact words or "it" will > be diluted. > > I think in the industry they call "it" brand mystique > > "it" is what I love about Rivendell. > > On Jan 7, 12:06 pm, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > > As a new owner and new to this style of riding. This style of riding being > > larger tires, more upright position, more comfort oriented. > > > > My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. > > > > I notice that even with Custom builds that Tire Clearance is less than. > > Full tour bikes that will only run 700x35 with fenders. I have two.. a FUJI > > Tour and a Giant OCR Tour. > > > > This is my Giant > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5179941844/in/set-721576252104... > > > > It's my uninformed opinion that the lower bottom bracket appears to be > > unique or rare compared.. does this cotribute to the ride. > > > > I notice my Riv's feel quicker (even if they aren't) than my other bikes of > > similar weight. > > > > I seem to have a more comfortable ride which I attribute to the steal and > > fit etc. > > > > So even though I read that LHT's are great and we can use this or that I > > haven't found that to be true. My Giant OCR has been a good friend on > > tours, but it doesn't have the same feel as my Bombadil. (I do admit to > > liking and missing my disc brakes= only when stopping-minor detail) > > > > Anyway right or wrong I've found myself looking at bikes and seeing that > > it's not just steel or a leather saddle or bags that is Riv'ish .. it's not > > some cult of practicality even. > > But as a package of geometry (I am dumber than box of rocks on that subject) > > size and style combined that make the rivendell bike. > > > > If I got the same ride quality and handling and feel from an LHT or a Gunner > > at 500 bucks I'ld go there, but I don't .. this could be because I'm 6'5" > > tall or it could be I'm delusional. > > > > What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that difference to > > those that just see a steel antique looking bke? > > > > Kelly > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What Makes the Rivendell
+1 and they are good looking too. Oh, and the have real head badges. -JimD On Jan 7, 2011, at 6:15 PM Jan 7, 2011, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. Incontrovertibly and incontestably nothing more important than **fit** and **handling** -- sez I whose 3 customs won't take more than 30s with fenders. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
The Riv Readers have so many interesting articles that I can't choose. From the perspective of a bicycler with bicycling priorities the Readers on CD are some of the most interesting reading I've encountered in some time. I'm fond of the span of Grant's interests and the quality of his writing and observations. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/riv-reader-pdfs-on-cds/24-127 -JimD in northern Calif where today it is cold and gray like Siberia. (one get's a bit wimpy living here.) On Jan 7, 2011, at 6:42 PM Jan 7, 2011, colin p. cummings wrote: To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article you've read in a Riv Reader? I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article about wrapping twine. Colin Cummings Amarillo, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
I got Radbot 1000s for my wife and son, then I saw the Portland Design Works' "Fenderbot": http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaptainamerika/5218869330/ I need about 3 of them, or I need to figure out a fender mount for the Radbot. The Radbot is extremely bright. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Jan 7, 8:01 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: > After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it > occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat > stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice > bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. > > I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender > mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered > fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? > > Thanks > > Ryan > > West Seattle > > PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain > covers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
Ryan, See if you like the fenderbot : http://www.ridepdw.com/goods/lights/fenderbot™ There's bound to be some awesome home brew solutions also. I'm looking forward to seeing what inginuity abounds the Riv family. Ami On Jan 7, 11:01 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: > After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it > occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat > stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice > bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. > > I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender > mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered > fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? > > Thanks > > Ryan > > West Seattle > > PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain > covers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
I use a pair of Cateye lights which mount on the metal stay. Very easy to mount. No concern with scratching the paint. best, JimP > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:01:43 -0800 > Subject: [RBW] Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions? > From: ryansub...@gmail.com > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it > occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat > stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice > bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. > > I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender > mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered > fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? > > Thanks > > Ryan > > West Seattle > > PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain > covers. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
I've sent an email in the past to planetbike asking them to consider making a fender-mount version of the superflash. perhaps if others did the same, they'd respond. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:13 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > But quite bright nonetheless! I have them on two bikes to complement > the PB Superflash blinkies. > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Angus wrote: > > I use a Spanninga too...not very bright compared to the Planet Bike > > Super Flash or the PDW Radbot 1000. > > > > Angus > > > > On Jan 7, 10:01 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: > >> After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it > >> occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat > >> stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice > >> bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. > >> > >> I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender > >> mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered > >> fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Ryan > >> > >> West Seattle > >> > >> PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain > >> covers. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
I mounted the Radbot 1000 on my fender. First I popped off the clip and sanded down the back of the light to more closely match the curve of the fender. Then I used a longer screw to attach the fender to the light back. The same screw attaches the reflector to the back. I think the light is located in the best possible spot for the bike. It's not perfect, but this isn't a show bike by any means. I'm not doing a good job of describing it, so posted a few pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/39056...@n08/sets/72157625775993554/ Kevin Mulcahy Chicago, IL On Jan 8, 7:41 am, EricP wrote: > There is a fender mounted PDW light. It's smaller than the > Spanninga. Use it on my Fargo with plastic fenders. Went with the > Spanninga on my metal fendered bike. The PDW fender mount does have a > flashing mode. Not as bright as the Radbot 1000. > > Neither is that bright of a light. Mostly use it in conjunction with > other lights. Or as a backup. > > You could save money and buy an ankle reflector. Cheaper. But > depends on drivers having lights on to work well. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On Jan 8, 6:07 am, Angus wrote: > > > I use a Spanninga too...not very bright compared to the Planet Bike > > Super Flash or the PDW Radbot 1000. > > > Angus > > > On Jan 7, 10:01 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: > > > > After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it > > > occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat > > > stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice > > > bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. > > > > I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender > > > mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered > > > fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ryan > > > > West Seattle > > > > PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain > > > covers.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
I agree... it's all of the above. The bikes fit right, permit larger tires, seem very balanced riding. The lug work and attention to detail make the whole package perfect. I'm not sure about that elf thing though. I thought it was artesians. ~Mike~ On Jan 7, 6:15 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > > My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. > > Incontrovertibly and incontestably nothing more important than **fit** > and **handling** -- sez I whose 3 customs won't take more than 30s > with fenders. > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Electra "Ticino" Bottle Cage
I had never heard of that "weight" restriction before on the Nitto cages. I found mine on EBAY at reasonable prices. They are beautiful. I only use those clear polypro bottles Riv sells and they are 18oz so I'm ok. ~Mike~ On Jan 8, 8:21 am, Bruce Baker wrote: > I have a couple on my Sam Hillborne and love them. No problem so far and > they look pretty cool. This was my substitute for the Nitto's. > I'll post a pic later. > Bruce > > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Travis wrote: > > Thanks for posting! I love the look of the Nitto's but can't bring > > myself to spend that kind of money on a cage. However, you mention in > > your review that Electra specifies a limit of 21oz bottles... And that > > makes me worry. I can see that with the construction of these cages > > (both Nitto and Electra's version) the tension used to hold a bottle > > is going to put stress on those brazed/welded spots at the top of the > > cage. Those are the spots that would eventually see breakage. > > > Travis > > > On Jan 7, 8:29 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > > > Some thoughts on this alternative to Nitto's "R" cage and a link to > > detailed photos are on my blog: > >http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2011/01/stuff-were-using-electra-tic... > > > > --Eric > > > campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Front Racks
Go with the Mini. It's a great rack, and mine has carried well over 30 lbs without a problem. In fact, the superiority of the Mini is a major reason to get a cantilever bike, IMO. I have no experience with the two-strut, so take my comments with a grain of salt, but despite the double struts I doubt it can carry more weight than the mini, because its attachment to the fork crown is much less secure (bolted-on flat piece of flexible steel vs. brazed-on solid round steel rod). That said, the two strut will fit cantis acc. to rivbike: "It mounts to any of our bikes, and most others". For the most secure attachment, you'd probably want to run a bolt through your forkcrown to attach the flat metal piece to... Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
Thanks guys for costing me 40 bucks on CD's to get all the readers... now my wife has to eat McDonalds for dinner instead of Outback. Hope you are proud of yourselfs now. Kelly On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Mike wrote: > I loved the Andy Hampsten interview. It was relatively recent, RR 38 > or 39 if I remember correctly. I also enjoyed the recent piece about > touring Alaska in the 70s, again the specific issue number escapes > me. > > I've ordered the RRs on disc, it's a lot of fun looking through the > older issues. > > --mike > > On Jan 7, 6:42 pm, "colin p. cummings" > wrote: > > To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article > > you've read in a Riv Reader? > > > > I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a > > typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't > > remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and > > fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article > > about wrapping twine. > > > > Colin Cummings > > Amarillo, TX > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Yes and NO! If the group you are riding with prefers helmets be worn wear them. If it's your ride and you dont' want to don't. Just be civil. ... I love the helmet wars... but think I would be better served to wear my helmet on the golf course than the bike. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Bruce wrote: > We need to change the topic of this thread. > > What do you think, Helmets, yes or no? > > -- > *From:* Patrick in VT > *To:* RBW Owners Bunch > *Sent:* Sat, January 8, 2011 9:16:46 AM > *Subject:* [RBW] Re: New News Post > > On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined > > carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd:... > > and don't forget disease. > > > in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow > others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New News Post
"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants."--Michael Pollan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Electra "Ticino" Bottle Cage
I have a couple on my Sam Hillborne and love them. No problem so far and they look pretty cool. This was my substitute for the Nitto's. I'll post a pic later. Bruce On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Travis wrote: > Thanks for posting! I love the look of the Nitto's but can't bring > myself to spend that kind of money on a cage. However, you mention in > your review that Electra specifies a limit of 21oz bottles... And that > makes me worry. I can see that with the construction of these cages > (both Nitto and Electra's version) the tension used to hold a bottle > is going to put stress on those brazed/welded spots at the top of the > cage. Those are the spots that would eventually see breakage. > > Travis > > On Jan 7, 8:29 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > > Some thoughts on this alternative to Nitto's "R" cage and a link to > detailed photos are on my blog: > http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2011/01/stuff-were-using-electra-tic... > > > > --Eric > > campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
I loved the Andy Hampsten interview. It was relatively recent, RR 38 or 39 if I remember correctly. I also enjoyed the recent piece about touring Alaska in the 70s, again the specific issue number escapes me. I've ordered the RRs on disc, it's a lot of fun looking through the older issues. --mike On Jan 7, 6:42 pm, "colin p. cummings" wrote: > To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article > you've read in a Riv Reader? > > I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a > typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't > remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and > fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article > about wrapping twine. > > Colin Cummings > Amarillo, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
I was referring to the Spanninga that someone else mentioned. It's not as bright as the PB SF, but, seen from a couple of hundred yards away at night, it's quite visible and IMO is a worthy part of a package including a bright flasher and reflective bits. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Travis wrote: > Same issue here. I bought a Radbot 1000 hoping I could make it work > with a fender, but I haven't found an elegant solution so far. You > need access to a screw at the back of the light to change the > batteries - whereas on fender mounted models the screw is on the > front. > > Patrick: when you say "But quite bright nonetheless!" which light are > you referring to? Are you saying the PDW fenderbot is decently bright? > Or the PDW Radbot 1000? > > Thanks, > Travis > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
Re: RR27 It was actually a used XO-2 he picked up for $150. Comments from the author (Grant?) riding the fully loaded bike. "I rode it about 4 miles loaded up, as I escorted Brad to the range country out of town, and let me tell you, that thing is a handful even on smooth pavement. The front and back parts of the bike move independently, and the flex is way more than I’ve ever experienced, and I’ve ridden light- framed road bikes off road with 30lbs of gear. I hate to say it, but it is a testimony to steel’s fatigue resistance and toughness, that such a humble bike can handle such heavy loads on such lousy surfaces for such a long time." On Jan 7, 7:29 pm, rob markwardt wrote: > One of my favorites (in # 27) was about the twins who toured from > Alaska to South America. One of them stayed down there and the other > rode back to the US on an XO-1, with Terrier riding atop luggage, > stopping in at Walnut Creek for a chat and ride with Grant. He got a > new saddle and headed off to?...wonder where he is now? > That same reader had a an interview with Charlie Cunningham, pics > of Chuck Schmidt's awesome vintage Mercian and also (I believe) > introduced the Quickbeam. The peak of the "Reader" imho. > > Rob > > On Jan 7, 6:42 pm, "colin p. cummings" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article > > you've read in a Riv Reader? > > > I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a > > typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't > > remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and > > fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article > > about wrapping twine. > > > Colin Cummings > > Amarillo, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
I'm a fan of the early, early stuff that made me want to subscribe/ join. --Living with a retired greyhound --the reason our typewriters use the "QWERTY" system --Why the Titanic sank (metal failure and fascinating discussion of metallurgy in general) --And, although I am a lousy poet and not terribly literate (I can't sit still long enough to read a chapter in a novel most days -- too much shpilkes!), I enjoy the poetry that sometimes creeps its way into the RR. Things I could live with a little less of: articles exhorting me to let my bike rust and chip and/or how to add stuff to it (feather- wrapped chainstays??!) to make it look more used. I worry that the RR will eventually go away, or be reduced to an erratic schedule of once every three years or less. It's one of the things that really set Rivendell apart in the beginning and I fear that it's loss will reduce Rivendell to Just Another Bike Company That Sells Cool Bikes. The RR makes Rivendell so much more. Beth On Jan 7, 6:42 pm, "colin p. cummings" wrote: > To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article > you've read in a Riv Reader? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
Same issue here. I bought a Radbot 1000 hoping I could make it work with a fender, but I haven't found an elegant solution so far. You need access to a screw at the back of the light to change the batteries - whereas on fender mounted models the screw is on the front. Patrick: when you say "But quite bright nonetheless!" which light are you referring to? Are you saying the PDW fenderbot is decently bright? Or the PDW Radbot 1000? Thanks, Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Electra "Ticino" Bottle Cage
I had a number of Nitto's "Butterfly" cages which were broken by large, ss bottles. I replaced them all (eventually) with King Iris cages which are not quite as pretty but very much more sturdy. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Travis wrote: > Thanks for posting! I love the look of the Nitto's but can't bring > myself to spend that kind of money on a cage. However, you mention in > your review that Electra specifies a limit of 21oz bottles... And that > makes me worry. I can see that with the construction of these cages > (both Nitto and Electra's version) the tension used to hold a bottle > is going to put stress on those brazed/welded spots at the top of the > cage. Those are the spots that would eventually see breakage. > > Travis > > On Jan 7, 8:29 pm, Eric Norris wrote: >> Some thoughts on this alternative to Nitto's "R" cage and a link to detailed >> photos are on my >> blog:http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2011/01/stuff-were-using-electra-tic... >> >> --Eric >> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Electra "Ticino" Bottle Cage
Thanks for posting! I love the look of the Nitto's but can't bring myself to spend that kind of money on a cage. However, you mention in your review that Electra specifies a limit of 21oz bottles... And that makes me worry. I can see that with the construction of these cages (both Nitto and Electra's version) the tension used to hold a bottle is going to put stress on those brazed/welded spots at the top of the cage. Those are the spots that would eventually see breakage. Travis On Jan 7, 8:29 pm, Eric Norris wrote: > Some thoughts on this alternative to Nitto's "R" cage and a link to detailed > photos are on my > blog:http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2011/01/stuff-were-using-electra-tic... > > --Eric > campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
No we don't... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bruce Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 07:33:27 To: Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post We need to change the topic of this thread. What do you think, Helmets, yes or no? From: Patrick in VT To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 9:16:46 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined > carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd:... and don't forget disease. in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
We need to change the topic of this thread. What do you think, Helmets, yes or no? From: Patrick in VT To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 9:16:46 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: New News Post On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined > carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd:... and don't forget disease. in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Whereabouts in VT? On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined >> carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it >> to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups >> whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The >> Japanese have very long average life, and it isn't because they are >> scarfing down bacon and cheese. > > and don't forget disease. it's pretty well researched and clear at > this point which foods help prevent, fight or even help reverse > disease, including cancers and heart disease, and which foods increase > the risk for getting seriously sick. if ever there was a final > arbiter of which foods are healthy and which are not, it's disease. > > in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow > others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. > life is better when we take ownership of our decisions, particularly > those that relate to our health. and we are all perfectly capable of > choosing "health" on our own. food isn't complicated. life is. but > food isn't. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New News Post
On Jan 7, 9:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined > carbs, are somehow "bad for you" is just egregiously absurd: tell it > to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups > whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The > Japanese have very long average life, and it isn't because they are > scarfing down bacon and cheese. and don't forget disease. it's pretty well researched and clear at this point which foods help prevent, fight or even help reverse disease, including cancers and heart disease, and which foods increase the risk for getting seriously sick. if ever there was a final arbiter of which foods are healthy and which are not, it's disease. in any event, nutrition and health is simply too important to allow others (especially those who stand to profit) to be making the calls. life is better when we take ownership of our decisions, particularly those that relate to our health. and we are all perfectly capable of choosing "health" on our own. food isn't complicated. life is. but food isn't. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
But quite bright nonetheless! I have them on two bikes to complement the PB Superflash blinkies. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Angus wrote: > I use a Spanninga too...not very bright compared to the Planet Bike > Super Flash or the PDW Radbot 1000. > > Angus > > On Jan 7, 10:01 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: >> After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it >> occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat >> stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice >> bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. >> >> I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender >> mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered >> fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? >> >> Thanks >> >> Ryan >> >> West Seattle >> >> PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain >> covers. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Look up the biography of Alexandra David Neal, who practised "tumo" the Tibetan art of self-generating enough heat to survive without warm clothing in Himalayan winters. The Inuit ate largely meat and fish; the Masai, traditionally, milk and blood; the Japanese largely polished rice with a little fish and vegetable, as do my mother's Filipino people, the southwestern pueblo Indians corn and beans (and chile). I personally (Nepal, trek from Pokhara to Ghorepani at about 10K feet; spring, 1968, age 13 -- nothing there in 1968!) have seen Sherpas carrying heavy loads climb at altitude for days largely on tsampa, barley flour mixed with tea. The French seem to eat richly but moderately; all are generally healthy. My conclusion is that there are very many healthy diets. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:39 AM, David T. <> wrote: > > Vilhjalmur Stefansson, the arctic explorer, pioneered and tested a > high meat, high fish, low carb diet, based on what he learned from the > Inuit. In 1930 he published a study in the Journal of the American > Medical Association describing how he and a colleague lived on a diet > of only meat for one year. > > http://www.jbc.org/content/87/3/651.full.pdf > > (I see the study was partly funded by the Institute of American Meat > Packers.) > > He also had a way of traveling across country by foot in the coldest > conditions: he would walk or run until he felt himself start to get > overheated. Then he would lie down on the snow to rest, and sometimes > even drift off to sleep. When his body cooled down enough he would > naturally wake, and then get up for another stretch of activity. The > key was not to allow himself to get overheated and sweaty, and that > way he avoided hypothermia. > > Does this relate to Rivendell bicycles, or even the topic at hand? Not > necessarily. Just thought I would throw it out there. > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Double that AMEN! You were brought up right. I can't get away with that on a long ride-I'll just end up seeing the food again later. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > AMEN, BROTHER, I'm with you... Because life is too short to not enjoy > food!!! (or drink sh**y beer, or drink bad coffee, or ride lousy > bikes... yaddy yadda...) > > BB > > On Jan 7, 11:59 am, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >> Thanks .. Double cheeseburger, fries and shake at 50 miles thanks.: >> Medium please >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: >> >> >> >> > Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long >> > rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's web post >> > regarding Taube's book that triggered this thread, what would the high >> > protein/high fat alternative be and whether it would be viable and provide >> > the required energy to sustain a rider through one of these long rides. >> >> > I can say that for me this is a very interesting thread as I am planning >> > to do those rides but not planning on eating the traditional carbs... :-) >> >> > René >> >> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >> > Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes? Never heard that one. I plan >> > on riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, >> > but I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides. >> >> > Kelly >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
There is a fender mounted PDW light. It's smaller than the Spanninga. Use it on my Fargo with plastic fenders. Went with the Spanninga on my metal fendered bike. The PDW fender mount does have a flashing mode. Not as bright as the Radbot 1000. Neither is that bright of a light. Mostly use it in conjunction with other lights. Or as a backup. You could save money and buy an ankle reflector. Cheaper. But depends on drivers having lights on to work well. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 8, 6:07 am, Angus wrote: > I use a Spanninga too...not very bright compared to the Planet Bike > Super Flash or the PDW Radbot 1000. > > Angus > > On Jan 7, 10:01 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: > > > > > After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it > > occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat > > stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice > > bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. > > > I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender > > mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered > > fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? > > > Thanks > > > Ryan > > > West Seattle > > > PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain > > covers.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New News Post
Vilhjalmur Stefansson, the arctic explorer, pioneered and tested a high meat, high fish, low carb diet, based on what he learned from the Inuit. In 1930 he published a study in the Journal of the American Medical Association describing how he and a colleague lived on a diet of only meat for one year. http://www.jbc.org/content/87/3/651.full.pdf (I see the study was partly funded by the Institute of American Meat Packers.) He also had a way of traveling across country by foot in the coldest conditions: he would walk or run until he felt himself start to get overheated. Then he would lie down on the snow to rest, and sometimes even drift off to sleep. When his body cooled down enough he would naturally wake, and then get up for another stretch of activity. The key was not to allow himself to get overheated and sweaty, and that way he avoided hypothermia. Does this relate to Rivendell bicycles, or even the topic at hand? Not necessarily. Just thought I would throw it out there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
I use a Spanninga too...not very bright compared to the Planet Bike Super Flash or the PDW Radbot 1000. Angus On Jan 7, 10:01 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: > After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it > occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat > stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice > bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. > > I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender > mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered > fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? > > Thanks > > Ryan > > West Seattle > > PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain > covers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
I use a Spanninga SPXB http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/spanninga.asp I also have a pair of cateyes, the T1000 mounted to the back of my saddle bag and another on the back of the rack. michael On Jan 7, 11:01 pm, RoadieRyan wrote: > After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it > occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat > stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice > bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. > > I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender > mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered > fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? > > Thanks > > Ryan > > West Seattle > > PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain > covers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
