[RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?
Of recent I have fallen for Soma Sparrow bars. Not too much drop yet sufficient to add some variety in riding position. The really nice thing is they come in 3 widths. I have the 490mm on my SteamRoller and just put a set of 560mm on my Troll. The 490's have limited space on the drop, they work well with bar end brake levers. The 520's claim to have sufficient space for brake levers and shifters and the 560's have all sorts of space, I am running flat bar brake levers and Paul thumbs and testing them with ergo grips. On May 4, 6:06 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: just put a deposit on a SimpleOne.. trying to decide on the bars. i've never really been a fan of drop bars, e.g. growing up as a kid in the 70s.. and the couple of times i've tried them over the intervening decades haven't really changed my mind - the front ends have felt pretty squirrely (but these were mostly skinny tires, too). i've got a canti-Rom with mustache bars and a Hillborne with bullmoose bars - love them both, although the front-end of the Hillborne is a bit floppy when unloaded. i figured that my lack of enthusiasm for drops was d/t build (very long torso, short legs - 5'11 w 84 pbh). that being said, i'm wondering if there is something i'm missing in not getting used to drops. so i guess.. is there anything about a quickbeam/simplone that should influence my anti/pro stance on drops? anyone like other bars on their QBs, etc? also wondering about albatross - anyone have pics of those on a QB? thank, andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?
This seems to have become a more general handlebar topic which makes sense, because nearly all of what you'd say about the S-1 and bars would apply to Hunqua or Betty as well. I've ridden the S1 prototype at Riv (march this year) and a Bomba a couple of years ago (one of the parallel top tube models, nice bike!). I've always had drop bar bikes, but really really like drop bars that are set on the high side. Keep the tops high enough to be comfy and the drops low enough that your strongest thigh muscles kick in for climbing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: NYC Bike Shops
http://www.rivbike.com ? Works just as well from NYC. Sorry, not helpful, but I couldn't resist. More serious now, I've lived and worked in some pretty good bike towns. Seattle, Sacramento, Davis, Boulder. Haven't quite found another place like RBW. Good shops yes, but all different. Which of course is part of the fun! If I were in the Boston area, I'd stop in at Harris. On May 5, 12:56 pm, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have NYC bike shop suggestions that a Riv lover shouldn't miss out on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Australian Wool
I'm glad to see the shipment of Aussie Wool, but I'm less happy about the much of it for the last time line. I may have to put away a pair of wemi-tights or two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lighter Wheel Set Question
OK, I understand what you're saying. BTW, I'm index shifting (heresy!) and I seem to have it dialed in and shifting fine. I will consider spacers. Thanks for the info. Steve On May 5, 3:28 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 5/4/11 4:18 AM, islaysteve at alkire...@verizon.net wrote: When I recently built up my Bleriot (135mm) I used Velo Orange wheels (130mm). I asked the mechanic at VO about the spacing and he said that for a 5mm difference, I could just install the wheel and clamp it down with the skewers. I was able to do this with no problem at all. It shifts fine, so I don't think the chainline is out of whack. Of course, YMMV. Steve The only thing to be aware of is that the face of the hub will force an alignment of the dropouts. The issue is mainly the change of stresses on the connection of the rear dropouts to the stays at the brazing. There's plenty of elasticity in the steel so that the stays will clamp down and/or spread back out (and if you've ever seen a steel frame being respaced, it's pretty amazing how far you have to bend it to change things.) If you _had_ to do it for a single trip or instance, I wouldn't worry about it particularly (with a steel frame of course). But, if you were going to on a regularly basis, it's probably not a bad idea to put a couple spacers in there. It's bone simple stuff. I wouldn't even worry about changing the axle. As far as the chainline - it's a 2 mm shift at most. I didn't worry about that at all. Just checked the limit screws and enjoyed the benefits of analog shifting. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes You must be the change you want to see in the world. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS - New Acorn Boxy Rando Bag
SOLD On May 4, 2:33 pm, Rick rick.gool...@gmail.com wrote: I have a brand new tan Acorn Boxy Rando Bag for sale. If anyone is interested, please let me know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?
I've had a S-one on order since January. I'm 183 cm tall, 91 cm PBH, 62 frame coming. I will almost certainly put drop bars on this bike. At least for its first fitting. I have a used Nitto that's narrow on top, flared at the bottom that will be the first fit attempt. I'm currently trying out a Nitto B-617 U-shape flat bar on another bike. It's a maybe. These bars are pretty narrow, so need to be kind of high to not whack my knees. Maybe just a longer stem would be the answer. I'm part way liking them so far. I like bars and positions on the bars that let my palms mostly face each other that's why I'm trying the 617. When I ride drops, I usually am on the top part of the bends. Albatross bars are pretty nice too, I have them on a mid-80s Stumpjumper. Palms facing down like straight bars, or the Jitensha Studios flat bar (haven't tried it!) are usually not my favorite. I keep thinking I might like one of them with a spherical bar-end of some kind that I've never seen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Simple One
on 5/5/11 4:30 PM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Looks like I will finally be a Rivendell owner..and not just an accessory purchaser. Can't wait to set up my new simple bike. Charlie - you've always been a Rivendell owner, you just hadn't gotten the bicycle yet... ;^) Good to hear! - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Simple One
Yeah! That makes me really happy - you've been looking forward to a Quickbeam/Simpleone for a long time. You'll do great things on that bike. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On May 5, 4:30 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Looks like I will finally be a Rivendell owner..and not just an accessory purchaser. Can't wait to set up my new simple bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East and The Weather...
This is so cool. If I hadn't just bought a new camera tonight (and adapters for my Canon and Exakta lenses) I'd be REALLY REALLY jealous of all of you who can make it. As it is, I'm only slightly envious, and excited for my friends who'll go. Good for you, Bobby, for organizing it, and best of fun to all who go. +1 on CycloFiend's request for pictures. I wish I was a person who could plan something like this. Hey, my dad has a barn! Let's all get together and put on a SHOW. Awesome. Maybe one day we can have a Willamette Valley meet-up and ride to Pacific City over the mountains. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On May 5, 3:41 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, I will bring my camera, as I'm sure others will. No need to hem and haw, people... 20% chance of rain; 80% chance of NO rain, and 100% chance of a GREAT RIDE. RIV RALLY EAST KICKS OFF TOMORROW EVENING! IT'S NOT TOO LATE GET YOUR BIKE LEAVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE NEIGHBOR TO WALK THE DOG GET IN YOUR CAR GET TO THE RALLY A proposed gathering spot (watering hole) for Friday night is Timeless Destination on Main Street in Wellsboro -http://www.timelessdestination.com/ I will be there... WOO HOO Peace, Bobby B cell: (908) 303-6887 On May 5, 3:22 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: As a quick reminder for all involved... photos. photos. photos. photos. ;^) And for those hemming/hawing... Hey, it's rain! Y'ain't gonna melt! That's what fenders are for! Everyone have a grand time, eh? - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Simple One
Yes, now that you mention it, I think its been more than a few years.where did all that time go? I'm thinking Phil hub on the rear, a dyno hub on the front, my 16/19 White freewheel. Everything else I can scavenge from from various bikes. All I really will need are decent wheels. On May 6, 12:18 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah! That makes me really happy - you've been looking forward to a Quickbeam/Simpleone for a long time. You'll do great things on that bike. Philip Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com On May 5, 4:30 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Looks like I will finally be a Rivendell owner..and not just an accessory purchaser. Can't wait to set up my new simple bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Simple One
Just looked back in the message archives (May 29th of 2007) was my first written inquiry regarding the Quickbeam but I freely admit, I probably lusted over one before then.. On May 6, 1:16 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, now that you mention it, I think its been more than a few years.where did all that time go? I'm thinking Phil hub on the rear, a dyno hub on the front, my 16/19 White freewheel. Everything else I can scavenge from from various bikes. All I really will need are decent wheels. On May 6, 12:18 am, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah! That makes me really happy - you've been looking forward to a Quickbeam/Simpleone for a long time. You'll do great things on that bike. Philip Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com On May 5, 4:30 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Looks like I will finally be a Rivendell owner..and not just an accessory purchaser. Can't wait to set up my new simple bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Stem Strength
The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Stem Strength
Is his stem extended beyond the minimum insertion mark? It may not be tight against the steerer tube ID. From: MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Stem Strength My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Stem Strength
I'm nowhere near as cut as your son, and I felt the difference when I tried a stem extender with a modern-style stem instead of a standard Nitto or such. The rocking of the handle bar when I cranked it was less. I didn't feel the difference was very significant. Plan is to go back to a Nitto based on looks. Stem flex is a far cry from stem breakage. Well-made parts are able to take literally millions (at least) of cycles of elastic flexing (NOT inelastic) before fatigue begins. Metal fatigue is what leads to fracture. Additional factors include the presence of stress risers due to deep scratches, overly sharp edges, or casting flaws that might cause internal stress risers. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:58 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem Strength
Definitely. I weigh 245 and raise my stem to the max insertion line (never beyond). And this is with the Nitto Dirt Drop; not a flimsy cheap stem. And, since I believe Nitto tests the hell out of their products, the fact that my stem flexes a little sometimes doesn't bother me in the slightest. (It might bother me if it wasn't in a good steel fork's steerer.) On May 6, 5:58 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?
I bought a Quickbeam two years ago and have been rocking moustache bars on it ever since, and in MY experience, it is the greatest bar ever. I'm 6'3 with an 85cm saddle height, and though I took the drops technonomic stem that came with the complete bike, I quickly returned them for the moustache/DirtDrop setup I had on a previous bike. I really didn't experience the wonder of so many hand positions that some have mentioned with drops, and actually just hated the flat position as I felt squished, and couldn't sustain any serious time in the drops without feeling like a masochistic Lycra Warrior. Moustache bars give me one awesome hand position, which is hands in the curves, ready able to brake, while being good and stretched out and also able to tuck down in that position when going for max speed downhill or get great leverage on some serious max effort climbing. I only ride my QB fixed and I really appreciate the advantages the bar gives in all types of riding: 1) comfortable cruising 2) hillbombing (3 BSNYC) 3) hill climbing and 4) max upright (lazy) position at the bar ends. That Jitensha bar does look pretty sweet, and it sorta reminds me of the bullhorn bar I had on my first ever fixie. I loved that setup, but it may have just been because I was trying to fit in with the cool kids in Williamsburg (I did have a brake, so maybe not). On May 6, 3:15 am, Rob H. robhua...@gmail.com wrote: Jason I personally think there's just a elegant simplicity to the Jitensha bars that seem in the same spirit as the simplicity of a derailleur-less bike. On May 5, 11:06 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised to see so much support for the Jitensha bar...only because using that bar is my plan as well for the Simpleone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem Strength
Back in 1991 I bought a Cannondale (very stiff frame) that came with a standard quill stem. I swapped it out for a hollow, welded stem that had a much larger diameter extension. The first time I stood up and cranked the bike up a short steep rise I was astonished at how much stiffer the front end of the bike felt. The quill stem was allowing the bars to twist, the new one wasn't. That may or may not be seen as a good thing, but I have no doubt that typical threadless stems are stiffer in torsion than traditional quill stems. Bill On May 6, 3:58 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Innit the cutest li'l rack you ever saw?
On May 5, 5:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: looks like an okay option for sidepulls, but not exactly fender friendly. I'm surprised more folks aren't using the Gran Compe ENE front rack, which is even more diminutive than yours (and fender friendly). maybe because it's for centerpulls only? anyway, more importantly - how will you bag be supported from the top? you need something . ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East and The Weather...
Yeah, it's good to see you folks putting this together. Sounds like a GREAT outing! The thing with weather forecasts, is even though rain is predicted, you really can't tell if it's a downpour/thunderstorm or a light spring drizzle. Both are considered rain but a little rain isn't bad at all. Have a great time! On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: This is so cool. If I hadn't just bought a new camera tonight (and adapters for my Canon and Exakta lenses) I'd be REALLY REALLY jealous of all of you who can make it. As it is, I'm only slightly envious, and excited for my friends who'll go. Good for you, Bobby, for organizing it, and best of fun to all who go. +1 on CycloFiend's request for pictures. I wish I was a person who could plan something like this. Hey, my dad has a barn! Let's all get together and put on a SHOW. Awesome. Maybe one day we can have a Willamette Valley meet-up and ride to Pacific City over the mountains. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On May 5, 3:41 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Jim, I will bring my camera, as I'm sure others will. No need to hem and haw, people... 20% chance of rain; 80% chance of NO rain, and 100% chance of a GREAT RIDE. RIV RALLY EAST KICKS OFF TOMORROW EVENING! IT'S NOT TOO LATE GET YOUR BIKE LEAVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE NEIGHBOR TO WALK THE DOG GET IN YOUR CAR GET TO THE RALLY A proposed gathering spot (watering hole) for Friday night is Timeless Destination on Main Street in Wellsboro - http://www.timelessdestination.com/ I will be there... WOO HOO Peace, Bobby B cell: (908) 303-6887 On May 5, 3:22 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: As a quick reminder for all involved... photos. photos. photos. photos. ;^) And for those hemming/hawing... Hey, it's rain! Y'ain't gonna melt! That's what fenders are for! Everyone have a grand time, eh? - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem Strength
Is he he sure it's the stem that's moving? Based on the forces that are applied rididng out of the saddle and the different cross sectional areas, I would think that the bar is what's moving the most. Both move some amount. I've never usd the taller Nitto Technomic stems ( if that's what your son has) but on the Pearl model I've never felt stem flex and I'm also larger than your son. ~mike On May 6, 6:24 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Back in 1991 I bought a Cannondale (very stiff frame) that came with a standard quill stem. I swapped it out for a hollow, welded stem that had a much larger diameter extension. The first time I stood up and cranked the bike up a short steep rise I was astonished at how much stiffer the front end of the bike felt. The quill stem was allowing the bars to twist, the new one wasn't. That may or may not be seen as a good thing, but I have no doubt that typical threadless stems are stiffer in torsion than traditional quill stems. Bill On May 6, 3:58 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Innit the cutest li'l rack you ever saw?
On May 6, 6:56 am, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised more folks aren't using the Gran Compe ENE front rack, which is even more diminutive than yours (and fender friendly). maybe because it's for centerpulls only? Hi Patrick. I can't say I'd recommend the GC ENE for anything but the light side of light duty. I was riding down a trail last summer on my ENE-equipped Quickbeam, when the tang ends snapped right where they mount around the brake bolt. At the time, I was using the rack to support a Berthoud Mini 86, which carried cards/keys/cash, a pastry, mesh gloves, a summer-weight ls layer, cellphone, and first aid kit. Not much of a load, imo. I was disappointed. Note that the Mini 86 bag does not use a decauleur. So, the ENE rack may work for supporting bags that have a decauleur or use handlebar straps. Personally, I'd still be skeptical. Anyway, I've kept the repaired, reinforced rack on my QB, but I only use it occasionally. When I do, I take care to load it lightly. Here are the visuals... The break: http://tinyurl.com/5rzgt7k http://tinyurl.com/69bbv3j http://tinyurl.com/3wcvvyc Side-by-side with replacement: http://tinyurl.com/3cb8nv2 Fixed rack: http://tinyurl.com/3nm5enx Happy Friday, all, Lee SF, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Innit the cutest li'l rack you ever saw?
I'm currently just strapping it to the bar, but I am looking around for a decaleur. I may eventually switch to a Mark's rack or something, but this turned up in a bit of serendipity, so ... On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On May 5, 5:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: looks like an okay option for sidepulls, but not exactly fender friendly. I'm surprised more folks aren't using the Gran Compe ENE front rack, which is even more diminutive than yours (and fender friendly). maybe because it's for centerpulls only? anyway, more importantly - how will you bag be supported from the top? you need something . ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem Strength
Mike, I can say without question that it is my Tech Delux that moves around under torque loads. I have the same RM013 bars on bikes with both different styles of stems. On my Rawland with the threadless setup you can feel the spring in the drops rotating primarily around the about the same axis as the bar tops. But on the Roado I have flex in the stem along the front to back axis of the stem extension before the bars start to give. Enough that you can see it moving around on steep climbs. I have been looking for an economical (read deal on Ebay) welded or lugged stem to compare, but most are either really short on extension, beat up or Rob - http://oceanaircycles.com/ On May 6, 7:13 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Is he he sure it's the stem that's moving? Based on the forces that are applied rididng out of the saddle and the different cross sectional areas, I would think that the bar is what's moving the most. Both move some amount. I've never usd the taller Nitto Technomic stems ( if that's what your son has) but on the Pearl model I've never felt stem flex and I'm also larger than your son. ~mike On May 6, 6:24 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Back in 1991 I bought a Cannondale (very stiff frame) that came with a standard quill stem. I swapped it out for a hollow, welded stem that had a much larger diameter extension. The first time I stood up and cranked the bike up a short steep rise I was astonished at how much stiffer the front end of the bike felt. The quill stem was allowing the bars to twist, the new one wasn't. That may or may not be seen as a good thing, but I have no doubt that typical threadless stems are stiffer in torsion than traditional quill stems. Bill On May 6, 3:58 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: NYC Bike Shops
Hudson Urban Bikes is an interesting shop - they carry some new bikes and have an interesting selection of used bikes and very reasonable rentals near the west side bike path (nice ride up to GW bridge if you have the time). They don't stock much in the way of accessories, but have a friendly staff. http://www.hudsonurbanbicycles.com/ On May 5, 7:01 pm, mike mike.rosen...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com? Works just as well from NYC. Sorry, not helpful, but I couldn't resist. More serious now, I've lived and worked in some pretty good bike towns. Seattle, Sacramento, Davis, Boulder. Haven't quite found another place like RBW. Good shops yes, but all different. Which of course is part of the fun! If I were in the Boston area, I'd stop in at Harris. On May 5, 12:56 pm, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have NYC bike shop suggestions that a Riv lover shouldn't miss out on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Riv reader, playthings?
u...did Grant really call bikes playthings in the new reader? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: NYC Bike Shops
Not a lot of Riv-ish type shops in NYC, unfortunately. Lots of shops, most of them catering to either the newly emerging class of commuter cyclists or else the spandex crowd. HUB Bikes on Charles Street in the West Village stocks lots of used bikes and has an interesting selection of Dutch cargo-type bikes. It's more of a garage that opens on to the sidewalk though than a true shop so a little hard to browse. People describe BikeWorks on Ridge Street in the Lower East Side as a retro kind of place too, though I've never found it particularly browsable or overly-friendly. Recycle-A-Bicycle sells lots of used bikes and is a non-profit that puts the proceeds towards urban youth programs. I suspect their stock runs more towards workable beaters than vintage gems though. There may be others shops of interest in Brooklyn but I have no experience there. The economics of NYC real estate, especially Manhattan, and of bike shops in general being what it is, most shops either have to sell a lot of high end racer stuff or turn a very high volume of gear and rentals to cover their overhead. Doesn't leave a lot of room for the quirky niche shops. Peter NYC On May 5, 2:56 pm, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have NYC bike shop suggestions that a Riv lover shouldn't miss out on? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando bag
Hello: I receive RBW Owners Bunch emails in digest form. In the past week or so there have been two posts selling Acorn Boxy Rando bags. I've missed the opportunity to catch these since the digest comes once a day, so I thought I'd post a 'wanted to buy' message and see if I can't get a bag that way. Since I live in Canada, the maker of these bags is unwilling to sell me one, so it looks like used is my only option. They say they are not set up for 'international' orders. If anyone is thinking about selling a Boxy Rando bag, preferably black, that's in good condition, please consider contacting me. Shipping will be to Washington State. Thank you. caddic...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Stem Strength
on 5/6/11 3:58 AM, MichaelH at mhech...@gmail.com wrote: My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? I've definitely felt (and feel) front end flex, but am never quite sure how to parcel it out to the various bits, and the varied conditions under which I apply pressure to the pedals. My unsubstatiated belief is that once you start focusing on it as something unwanted, you find flex in a lot of places. Bars flex a bunch, of course, and I've always felt that was where most of the movement came from. If I'm really honking on the bars, I'm probably out of the saddle, and there are extensive variables in perception and power when that occurs. Wheels flex, bb's flex, frame flex... if there is actually stem flex, I always suspected it's fairly far down the chain. (Now, I've also felt a notchy movement of a quill stem when it was in a bulged steerer, but that's really a different animal.) Of course, much of the discussion regarding flex is based on the assumption that it is a bad thing, and that's something I no longer take on faith. At one point in the last century, Ibis Ti Stems were the peak of bling. They were beautifully made quill stems, and I know a few people who had them. Flex was not on their list of descriptors. I have Ti bars on my soft-nosed multi-geared mtb (which largely sits dormant...), and they are connected by fairly stiff threadless stem. Again variables of front suspension cloud the equation. But, when I stomp and pull to accellerate, there's a fair amount of give. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - Send them here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, and went in. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem
On Apr 20, 1:51 pm, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: for sale: Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem. 80mm / 26.0mm. New condition, installed for a minute while messing around with sizing/fit -- this stem was too short for me. How's $45 shipped? I have the same stem 100 that is too long for me. Want to trade? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: NYC Bike Shops
It's not really Riv-sh, but bfold (www.bfold.com) is one of those only in New York kind of shops - they sell exclusively folders and you need to negotiate a flight of stairs to get to the shop that David runs out of a small apartment! You'll be amazed how many Bike Fridays and Bromptons he stocks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem Strength
I use Noodles on 3 bikes with 3 different stems. The flex characteristics out on the hoods is different for all three. The Tech DLX 11cm extension feels the flexiest. It feels a lot less flexy now that I have it about 3/4 below min insertion. The Nitto Pearl 11 is less flexy still, which I attribute to the still shorter quill. Least flexy of the three is the Nitto lugged, which is also the shortest extension of the three, a mere 9cm. None of the three would I call objectionably stiff, nor would I call any of the three objectionably flexy. I have zero concerns about the strength of any of the three. On May 6, 8:33 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: Mike, I can say without question that it is my Tech Delux that moves around under torque loads. I have the same RM013 bars on bikes with both different styles of stems. On my Rawland with the threadless setup you can feel the spring in the drops rotating primarily around the about the same axis as the bar tops. But on the Roado I have flex in the stem along the front to back axis of the stem extension before the bars start to give. Enough that you can see it moving around on steep climbs. I have been looking for an economical (read deal on Ebay) welded or lugged stem to compare, but most are either really short on extension, beat up or Rob -http://oceanaircycles.com/ On May 6, 7:13 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Is he he sure it's the stem that's moving? Based on the forces that are applied rididng out of the saddle and the different cross sectional areas, I would think that the bar is what's moving the most. Both move some amount. I've never usd the taller Nitto Technomic stems ( if that's what your son has) but on the Pearl model I've never felt stem flex and I'm also larger than your son. ~mike On May 6, 6:24 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Back in 1991 I bought a Cannondale (very stiff frame) that came with a standard quill stem. I swapped it out for a hollow, welded stem that had a much larger diameter extension. The first time I stood up and cranked the bike up a short steep rise I was astonished at how much stiffer the front end of the bike felt. The quill stem was allowing the bars to twist, the new one wasn't. That may or may not be seen as a good thing, but I have no doubt that typical threadless stems are stiffer in torsion than traditional quill stems. Bill On May 6, 3:58 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Stem Strength
Electrical and systems, but some ME knowledge is fundamental to engineering for vehicles and other stuff I've worked on. On Friday, May 6, 2011, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: ken, you sound like a mechanical engineer. thanks for your insight... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Innit the cutest li'l rack you ever saw?
On May 6, 11:25 am, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Patrick. I can't say I'd recommend the GC ENE for anything but the light side of light duty. I suppose I agree. I actually use the ENE daily on my commuter with the large GB bag, which is usually stuffed. no problems (yet!) over a bunch of crappy Vermont pavement. I wonder if wouldn't help to put washers on either side of the mounting tang to prevent the failure you had? dunno, but I believe I used some washers upon installation. I'm also using a decaleur - so maybe that does help. In any event, I'm big on smaller racks like these, especially for handlebar bags/other light front loads. wish there were more options. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv reader, playthings?
Why not? Mine are all playthings! Useful, too, but the overarching reason and purpose for all my bikes is: Fun. If they aren't fun, then f***-em. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Bike Hermit bikeher...@biketouringnews.com wrote: u...did Grant really call bikes playthings in the new reader? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Speaking of that new RR 43 ....
Nice buncha articles, tho' Grant's predilections come out strong. (Yay for fast, skinny tires! Yay for lower bars! Yay for race-type bikes with fenders, racks, bags, dynolights -- esp if you can match yer bags. Any YAY for good beer, home-made bread, lots of pasta and sugar in my coffee!) Anyway: I was particularly pleased with the interview with BS who comes across as less of an asshol* than you just might presume from his, admittedly very funny, blogs, and who also comes across as, undeniable, intelligent and, for our dismally uncultured age, literate. Kudos to R, RR and GP for this interview. Patrick my bars range from 2 below to 3 above saddle, my tires from 22 mm to 65 mm Moore -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando bag
Here's another option: http://www.builtbyswift.com/ Ryan On May 6, 10:12 am, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: Hello: I receive RBW Owners Bunch emails in digest form. In the past week or so there have been two posts selling Acorn Boxy Rando bags. I've missed the opportunity to catch these since the digest comes once a day, so I thought I'd post a 'wanted to buy' message and see if I can't get a bag that way. Since I live in Canada, the maker of these bags is unwilling to sell me one, so it looks like used is my only option. They say they are not set up for 'international' orders. If anyone is thinking about selling a Boxy Rando bag, preferably black, that's in good condition, please consider contacting me. Shipping will be to Washington State. Thank you. caddic...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando bag
Does anyone have any first hand experience with a Swift Ozette? The (sm) dimensions are ideal and the custom colors are a bonus. Just looking for someone to convince me to pull the trigger On May 6, 5:12 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Here's another option:http://www.builtbyswift.com/ Ryan On May 6, 10:12 am, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: Hello: I receive RBW Owners Bunch emails in digest form. In the past week or so there have been two posts selling Acorn Boxy Rando bags. I've missed the opportunity to catch these since the digest comes once a day, so I thought I'd post a 'wanted to buy' message and see if I can't get a bag that way. Since I live in Canada, the maker of these bags is unwilling to sell me one, so it looks like used is my only option. They say they are not set up for 'international' orders. If anyone is thinking about selling a Boxy Rando bag, preferably black, that's in good condition, please consider contacting me. Shipping will be to Washington State. Thank you. caddic...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando bag
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have any first hand experience with a Swift Ozette? The (sm) dimensions are ideal and the custom colors are a bonus. Just looking for someone to convince me to pull the trigger I don't have one but I will say this - if you get one I'd like to hear your opinion on it. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 60cm 700c LHT
So I finally picked up my LHT. I took it round the neighborhood but no time for a longer ride as I'm doing a 600k brevet this weekend. I still need to wrap the bars (Newbaums cloth tape). Some build specs: Nitto Noodle bars (48cm) VO stem Nitto post Shimano deore RD Campy FD Sugino triple cranks 36h XT hubs Salsa Delgado rims Schwalbe Marathons 700x40 Brooks B17 Rivendell Silver Shifters I have Surly racks and SKS fenders to mount on it still. I'm really excited to do some bike camping this summer and a week long tour in Aug. Come fall I'll probably mount the Nitto Albatross bars that are currently on my CC and use this is my commuter. Not sure what will happen to the CC. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/5693997299/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 60cm 700c LHT
Sorry about this. I meant to post this to the Surly LHT Group. I should probably just stay focused on packing for the 600k. Too much going on. Although, there is Riv content. --mike On May 6, 3:38 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So I finally picked up my LHT. I took it round the neighborhood but no time for a longer ride as I'm doing a 600k brevet this weekend. I still need to wrap the bars (Newbaums cloth tape). Some build specs: Nitto Noodle bars (48cm) VO stem Nitto post Shimano deore RD Campy FD Sugino triple cranks 36h XT hubs Salsa Delgado rims Schwalbe Marathons 700x40 Brooks B17 Rivendell Silver Shifters I have Surly racks and SKS fenders to mount on it still. I'm really excited to do some bike camping this summer and a week long tour in Aug. Come fall I'll probably mount the Nitto Albatross bars that are currently on my CC and use this is my commuter. Not sure what will happen to the CC. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/5693997299/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bags [was: WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando bag]
Thanks, Ryan. I have looked at these (and many others). The custom colours are definitely appealing. Does anyone have any idea how long it might take to get one made? Any recommendations for rack and decaleur? I've been looking at the Mark's Rack from Rivendell (currently out of stock) and two Velo Orange racks (the Randonneur Front Rack, and the Pass Hunter front Rack). Velo Orange also has a few different options for decaleur's, including a rack with an integrated decaleur. It's all new to me so I'm having a hard time knowing what's what, what will work with what, and how it works... I'm on a 56cm AHH with Panaracers Col de Vie's and Honjo fenders. I've also got interrupter levers (which apparently are installed incorrectly... my understanding is a handlebar bag will work with these, the levers just need to be rotated so they sit more under the handlebar). http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcaddick/5587292295/ If anyone can direct me to information on installation (videos?) of front racks and decaleurs, I'd be grateful! Cheers, Jodi On May 6, 2:12 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Here's another option:http://www.builtbyswift.com/ Ryan On May 6, 10:12 am, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 60cm 700c LHT
I was deeply offended with the LHT post on this Sanctum Sanctorum of Rivish purity, but then I looked in the mirror and annoyed myself with all that righteous smugness and got over it. You surely are not doing a 600k on that Surly Beast, are you (you surly beast)? It does look unstoppable. On May 6, 3:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about this. I meant to post this to the Surly LHT Group. I should probably just stay focused on packing for the 600k. Too much going on. Although, there is Riv content. --mike On May 6, 3:38 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So I finally picked up my LHT. I took it round the neighborhood but no time for a longer ride as I'm doing a 600k brevet this weekend. I still need to wrap the bars (Newbaums cloth tape). Some build specs: Nitto Noodle bars (48cm) VO stem Nitto post Shimano deore RD Campy FD Sugino triple cranks 36h XT hubs Salsa Delgado rims Schwalbe Marathons 700x40 Brooks B17 Rivendell Silver Shifters I have Surly racks and SKS fenders to mount on it still. I'm really excited to do some bike camping this summer and a week long tour in Aug. Come fall I'll probably mount the Nitto Albatross bars that are currently on my CC and use this is my commuter. Not sure what will happen to the CC. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/5693997299/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bags [was: WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando bag]
Jodi I was going to do a youtube tutorial for setting up a Berthoud decaleur. My buddy Phil is a handlebar bag maker and he's encouraged me to do it so he could point his customers to it. I set one up on my 58cm Hilsen, and had to go at it a couple different ways before I finally had it dialed. If I get around to doing that, I'll try to point you to it. I can't film it this weekend, because the whole family is going on an S24O On May 6, 4:05 pm, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Ryan. I have looked at these (and many others). The custom colours are definitely appealing. Does anyone have any idea how long it might take to get one made? Any recommendations for rack and decaleur? I've been looking at the Mark's Rack from Rivendell (currently out of stock) and two Velo Orange racks (the Randonneur Front Rack, and the Pass Hunter front Rack). Velo Orange also has a few different options for decaleur's, including a rack with an integrated decaleur. It's all new to me so I'm having a hard time knowing what's what, what will work with what, and how it works... I'm on a 56cm AHH with Panaracers Col de Vie's and Honjo fenders. I've also got interrupter levers (which apparently are installed incorrectly... my understanding is a handlebar bag will work with these, the levers just need to be rotated so they sit more under the handlebar). http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcaddick/5587292295/ If anyone can direct me to information on installation (videos?) of front racks and decaleurs, I'd be grateful! Cheers, Jodi On May 6, 2:12 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Here's another option:http://www.builtbyswift.com/ Ryan On May 6, 10:12 am, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] duomatic
Anyone planning to go new or n.o.s. 2 speed kickback hub on their new Simpleone? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando bag
I just got one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/30684316@N08/5682342304/in/photostream Ryan On May 6, 2:15 pm, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have any first hand experience with a Swift Ozette? The (sm) dimensions are ideal and the custom colors are a bonus. Just looking for someone to convince me to pull the trigger On May 6, 5:12 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Here's another option:http://www.builtbyswift.com/ Ryan On May 6, 10:12 am, Zaelia caddic...@gmail.com wrote: Hello: I receive RBW Owners Bunch emails in digest form. In the past week or so there have been two posts selling Acorn Boxy Rando bags. I've missed the opportunity to catch these since the digest comes once a day, so I thought I'd post a 'wanted to buy' message and see if I can't get a bag that way. Since I live in Canada, the maker of these bags is unwilling to sell me one, so it looks like used is my only option. They say they are not set up for 'international' orders. If anyone is thinking about selling a Boxy Rando bag, preferably black, that's in good condition, please consider contacting me. Shipping will be to Washington State. Thank you. caddic...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Lawyer Lips?
I just read the RR article about proper quick release usage. It's unfortunate to see that Grant was dragged into a lawsuit over an improperly installed wheel -- I really hope that he prevails! While I understand the need for some sort of retention device on low end bikes (**), it seems silly to put them on high end bikes. This got me to thinking... I didn't look closely at the fork dropouts on the bikes when I was test riding: Will I find lawyer lips on my Waterford built AHH that's due to arrive in the new few weeks? Looking on Flickr I found some pictures that seem to indicate that I won't... http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxdogbikes/5061605656/ I surely hope not, though I'd understand if it were to happen. (**) A few months ago, while driving, I saw a teenage boy riding a department store bike with a floppy QR skewer on the sidewalk. I pulled off into a parking lot and intercepted the rider to fix it for him, worried that he'd go off a curb and lose the front wheel. I asked him if he knew how it worked, and he had no clue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem Strength
On May 6, 7:24 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: The quill stem was allowing the bars to twist, the new one wasn't. That's my experience, too. I have 12 bikes and only 2 of them have clamp-on stems. When I ride those two bikes, I'm always struck by how much the stem doesn't twist (ie.: is torsionally stiffer). I think what's really happening with the quill stems is that the threaded steel tightening bolt, that pulls up on the wedge, is twisting. In therory, there should be a small gap between the wedge and the tapered end of the stem, which would allow that much movement, and a small steel rod is pretty easy to twist. Expander bolt - style quill stems might be differerent, but I don't own any and can't comment. The big question is why it would matter, though. Its not in danger of breaking, and it probably provides a bit of shock deadening to high- frequency lateral twisting (shimmy? I'm speaking beyond my level of enegineering expertise and vocabulary here) in the front wheel and fork. And that's a GOOD thing, just like a handlebar that flexes a bit. I can't imagine that it sucks any measureable power out of most riders. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: NYC Bike Shops
Thanks ya'll. Not too surprised there's not much rivish action but am always up for checking out a cool bike shop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?
My new Waterford-built Bombadil has'm. I plan to use Pitlocks, so no big deal. On May 6, 4:49 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: I just read the RR article about proper quick release usage. It's unfortunate to see that Grant was dragged into a lawsuit over an improperly installed wheel -- I really hope that he prevails! While I understand the need for some sort of retention device on low end bikes (**), it seems silly to put them on high end bikes. This got me to thinking... I didn't look closely at the fork dropouts on the bikes when I was test riding: Will I find lawyer lips on my Waterford built AHH that's due to arrive in the new few weeks? Looking on Flickr I found some pictures that seem to indicate that I won't... http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxdogbikes/5061605656/ I surely hope not, though I'd understand if it were to happen. (**) A few months ago, while driving, I saw a teenage boy riding a department store bike with a floppy QR skewer on the sidewalk. I pulled off into a parking lot and intercepted the rider to fix it for him, worried that he'd go off a curb and lose the front wheel. I asked him if he knew how it worked, and he had no clue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?
I'm curious why people have a problem with these? On May 6, 7:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: It takes about 20 minutes with a sharp file to remove them. michael On May 6, 5:49 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: I just read the RR article about proper quick release usage. It's unfortunate to see that Grant was dragged into a lawsuit over an improperly installed wheel -- I really hope that he prevails! While I understand the need for some sort of retention device on low end bikes (**), it seems silly to put them on high end bikes. This got me to thinking... I didn't look closely at the fork dropouts on the bikes when I was test riding: Will I find lawyer lips on my Waterford built AHH that's due to arrive in the new few weeks? Looking on Flickr I found some pictures that seem to indicate that I won't... http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxdogbikes/5061605656/ I surely hope not, though I'd understand if it were to happen. (**) A few months ago, while driving, I saw a teenage boy riding a department store bike with a floppy QR skewer on the sidewalk. I pulled off into a parking lot and intercepted the rider to fix it for him, worried that he'd go off a curb and lose the front wheel. I asked him if he knew how it worked, and he had no clue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem Strength
When I got my Quickbeam, I tried a couple of stems, including the stock Technomic Deluxe and the Nitto Dirt Drop. Both flexed noticeably more than the Salsa welded stem I ended up with. The Dirt Drop not as much as the Technomic Deluxe, but the quill was bottomed out in the steerer. Philip On May 6, 9:24 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Back in 1991 I bought a Cannondale (very stiff frame) that came with a standard quill stem. I swapped it out for a hollow, welded stem that had a much larger diameter extension. The first time I stood up and cranked the bike up a short steep rise I was astonished at how much stiffer the front end of the bike felt. The quill stem was allowing the bars to twist, the new one wasn't. That may or may not be seen as a good thing, but I have no doubt that typical threadless stems are stiffer in torsion than traditional quill stems. Bill On May 6, 3:58 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?
Because they negate the function of a quick release. On May 6, 7:56 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: It takes about 20 minutes with a sharp file to remove them. michael On May 6, 5:49 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: I just read the RR article about proper quick release usage. It's unfortunate to see that Grant was dragged into a lawsuit over an improperly installed wheel -- I really hope that he prevails! While I understand the need for some sort of retention device on low end bikes (**), it seems silly to put them on high end bikes. This got me to thinking... I didn't look closely at the fork dropouts on the bikes when I was test riding: Will I find lawyer lips on my Waterford built AHH that's due to arrive in the new few weeks? Looking on Flickr I found some pictures that seem to indicate that I won't... http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxdogbikes/5061605656/ I surely hope not, though I'd understand if it were to happen. (**) A few months ago, while driving, I saw a teenage boy riding a department store bike with a floppy QR skewer on the sidewalk. I pulled off into a parking lot and intercepted the rider to fix it for him, worried that he'd go off a curb and lose the front wheel. I asked him if he knew how it worked, and he had no clue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:35 PM, SamuelJames samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious why people have a problem with these? Because they negate the function of the QR. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?
The only thing I can think of that would make me hate 'em is where I would be racking and unracking the bike from a roof-top mount on my car, where the front wheel needed to be removed twice for each ride. I did a lot of that a few years ago, and I can honestly say I would have filed 'em off had they been there on the bike I had at the time. Now that I'm in a place where that's not an issue, and the roof-top rack if have is the stand-up type, no issue with LLs. It's mildly annoying when I go to take off a wheel and remember that I have to unscrew the QR a few turns to get it off, but it always reminds me to slow down. Slowing down is not a bad thing in my book. In fact, I'd be OK with bolt-on hubs, like the ones I have on my old Stumpjumper, or the Bullseyes I had on my old Trek 850. In the former case, I get to use my Campy peanut butter wrench, which is very satisfying. Marty On May 6, 8:49 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:35 PM, SamuelJames samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious why people have a problem with these? Because they negate the function of the QR. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
Yep, this is what it's come down to. The insurance company basically is asking whether you might have a reason to seek money from some source for being a cause of your accident. If you had a reason to sue somebody, such as the bike mfr or the helmet mfr, the HMO would have the right to seek compensation from you for any costs that they had as a result of your accident. This would only be the case if you sued successfully or reached some settlement with the companies. When I settled with the driver who opened his car door and hit me, I had to repay some portions of my health insurance costs to Aetna. For some reason, I was the victim and they can come after my settlement. It was, after all, the sole fault of the driver. Why didn't they sue him for those costs? Because that's the way the laws governing this sort of thing work. Take care and heal fast! Joe Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: j...@synapticcycles.com website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:55:39 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Last January, I crashed on a fast downgrade with a 90 degree turn at the bottom. I was obviously going too fast for conditions. I collided with a guard rail and the roadway, which was newly paved and in pristine condition. The result was a slight concussion and a broken collar bone that required surgery to plate and screw it back together. Rehab has been on-going, and I still lack full range of motion in the effected shoulder. I have returned to cycling and commute to work by bike. I don't yet ride a bike with drop bars, however. Fortunately, I have health insurance, although I did opt for a higher co-pay to reduce the cost.. But, yesterday I received a phone call from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked about the equipment I was riding. I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash. It suffered only cosmetic damage. I was careful not to use the manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make. I guess she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I bought it. If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim. This is a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO. I'd rather not give the name. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
True, Joe. But, I have not pursued any other claims from any other person or entity. I can understand the line of questioning if I had done that. But, I have no reason to after anyone. The crash was 100% my fault. It's like the insurance company was trying to find that option on their own, or something. From: Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: RE: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO Yep, this is what it's come down to. The insurance company basically is asking whether you might have a reason to seek money from some source for being a cause of your accident. If you had a reason to sue somebody, such as the bike mfr or the helmet mfr, the HMO would have the right to seek compensation from you for any costs that they had as a result of your accident. This would only be the case if you sued successfully or reached some settlement with the companies. When I settled with the driver who opened his car door and hit me, I had to repay some portions of my health insurance costs to Aetna. For some reason, I was the victim and they can come after my settlement. It was, after all, the sole fault of the driver. Why didn't they sue him for those costs? Because that's the way the laws governing this sort of thing work. Take care and heal fast! Joe Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: j...@synapticcycles.com website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:55:39 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Last January, I crashed on a fast downgrade with a 90 degree turn at the bottom. I was obviously going too fast for conditions. I collided with a guard rail and the roadway, which was newly paved and in pristine condition. The result was a slight concussion and a broken collar bone that required surgery to plate and screw it back together. Rehab has been on-going, and I still lack full range of motion in the effected shoulder. I have returned to cycling and commute to work by bike. I don't yet ride a bike with drop bars, however. Fortunately, I have health insurance, although I did opt for a higher co-pay to reduce the cost.. But, yesterday I received a phone call from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked about the equipment I was riding. I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash. It suffered only cosmetic damage. I was careful not to use the manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make. I guess she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I bought it. If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim. This is a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO. I'd rather not give the name. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,
RE: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
Yes, but they were likely gushing thevpotential for that. Joe Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 19:21:22 -0700 From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com True, Joe. But, I have not pursued any other claims from any other person or entity. I can understand the line of questioning if I had done that. But, I have no reason to after anyone. The crash was 100% my fault. It's like the insurance company was trying to find that option on their own, or something. From: Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 6, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: RE: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO Yep, this is what it's come down to. The insurance company basically is asking whether you might have a reason to seek money from some source for being a cause of your accident. If you had a reason to sue somebody, such as the bike mfr or the helmet mfr, the HMO would have the right to seek compensation from you for any costs that they had as a result of your accident. This would only be the case if you sued successfully or reached some settlement with the companies. When I settled with the driver who opened his car door and hit me, I had to repay some portions of my health insurance costs to Aetna. For some reason, I was the victim and they can come after my settlement. It was, after all, the sole fault of the driver. Why didn't they sue him for those costs? Because that's the way the laws governing this sort of thing work. Take care and heal fast! Joe Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: j...@synapticcycles.com website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:55:39 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO From: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Last January, I crashed on a fast downgrade with a 90 degree turn at the bottom. I was obviously going too fast for conditions. I collided with a guard rail and the roadway, which was newly paved and in pristine condition. The result was a slight concussion and a broken collar bone that required surgery to plate and screw it back together. Rehab has been on-going, and I still lack full range of motion in the effected shoulder. I have returned to cycling and commute to work by bike. I don't yet ride a bike with drop bars, however. Fortunately, I have health insurance, although I did opt for a higher co-pay to reduce the cost.. But, yesterday I received a phone call from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked about the equipment I was riding. I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash. It suffered only cosmetic damage. I was careful not to use the manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make. I guess she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I bought it. If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim. This is a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO. I'd rather not give the name. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are
Re: [RBW] Odd Investigation by HMO
On May 6, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Ray wrote: But, yesterday I received a phone call from an investigator working for the insurance company. She wanted to know about the bike I was riding. Who made it, sold it, who maintained it, what type of components did it have, was I wearing a helmet, what manufacturer of the helmet and the components on the bike. Have I resumed cycling? I started to get a little annoyed and asked what this was all about. She told me it was a routine follow up typical of bicycle collisions. I have crashed other bicyles and motorcycles, have been transported and hospitalized as a result, and was never asked about the equipment I was riding. I assured her that the collision was a result of not heeding the conditions of the roadway and not slowing in time (and the report backed me up). I assured her that there was nothing wrong with the bike (a 6-year old Canti-Rom) -- even following the crash. It suffered only cosmetic damage. I was careful not to use the manufacturer's name, and referred to it as a CantiRom make. I guess she bought that because she probed no deeper into the maker or where I bought it. If any of you have had a similar experience, I'd like to know. It's never happened to me before. Is this something new that insurance companies do. Incidentally, there was an official report made of the collision. Her introduction did say the investigation was to determine if there was a negligent party or entity that would be partially responsible for some of the costs associated with the claim. This is a nationally recognized health insurance provider, HMO. I'd rather not give the name. Welcome to the wonderful world of liability lawsuits. Your HMO is looking for a deep pocket to shift the costs of your health care onto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Stem Strength
Hey, My back of the envelope calc's indicate a standard aluminum quill stem will deflect about ten times more than a steel stem. This is with equal extensions lengths and loads, and the aluminum stem has a solid 22.2mm diameter extension, and the steel stem is 31.8mm OD w/ 25.4mm ID extension. The extension into the fork vs. clamping on the outside of the fork are not significant here. By the way, neither stem deflects that much. If you really want a stiff stem, use a short extension, and big diameter. And steel too. And you know why they went to 31.8mm diameter handle bars? Because of the stinking cable grooves. The grooves make the bar section too flexible, the bigger diameter overcame this. Cheers! James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 On May 6, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Philip Williamson wrote: When I got my Quickbeam, I tried a couple of stems, including the stock Technomic Deluxe and the Nitto Dirt Drop. Both flexed noticeably more than the Salsa welded stem I ended up with. The Dirt Drop not as much as the Technomic Deluxe, but the quill was bottomed out in the steerer. Philip On May 6, 9:24 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: Back in 1991 I bought a Cannondale (very stiff frame) that came with a standard quill stem. I swapped it out for a hollow, welded stem that had a much larger diameter extension. The first time I stood up and cranked the bike up a short steep rise I was astonished at how much stiffer the front end of the bike felt. The quill stem was allowing the bars to twist, the new one wasn't. That may or may not be seen as a good thing, but I have no doubt that typical threadless stems are stiffer in torsion than traditional quill stems. Bill On May 6, 3:58 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: The new RR contains an article by GP outlining his believes about various aspects of bike strength, comfort, weight, and comfort. There wasn't much new there for anyone who has followed him for a few years, including why he prefers threaded headsets and stems, but it did trigger this question from me. My son, who is 39 years old and a very muscular 170 lbs claims that he experiences stem flex while climbing with a traditional quill stem. I am always disinclined to challenge people's subjective experience but I have never experienced this and suspect it is in his imagination. Has anyone here felt their stem flex and has anyone ever broken a stem? michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: NYC Bike Shops
In case it wasn't clear, I should mention that the HUB Bikes I originally referenced is the same as Hudson Urban Bicycles mentioned by Dlbracey, And they do rent and are literally one block from the West side bike path that runs some 15+ miles from Battery Park past the George Washington Bridge - a fun ride to do, but it gets really crowded on nice Saturday and Sunday afternoons. Weekdays and mornings usually fine. Peter NYC On May 6, 8:31 pm, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks ya'll. Not too surprised there's not much rivish action but am always up for checking out a cool bike shop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lawyer Lips?
:( Darn, I loved the convenience of a quick flip, and even more the ease of reinstallation... Oh well, can't blame them. On May 6, 2011 5:42 PM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: My new Waterford-built Bombadil has'm. I plan to use Pitlocks, so no big deal. On May 6, 4:49 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote: I just read the RR article about proper quick release usage. It's unfortunate to see that Grant was dragged into a lawsuit over an improperly installed wheel -- I really hope that he prevails! While I understand the need for some sort of retention device on low end bikes (**), it seems silly to put them on high end bikes. This got me to thinking... I didn't look closely at the fork dropouts on the bikes when I was test riding: Will I find lawyer lips on my Waterford built AHH that's due to arrive in the new few weeks? Looking on Flickr I found some pictures that seem to indicate that I won't... http://www.flickr.com/photos/boxdogbikes/5061605656/ I surely hope not, though I'd understand if it were to happen. (**) A few months ago, while driving, I saw a teenage boy riding a department store bike with a floppy QR skewer on the sidewalk. I pulled off into a parking lot and intercepted the rider to fix it for him, worried that he'd go off a curb and lose the front wheel. I asked him if he knew how it worked, and he had no clue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
