[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
I am a bit lost on this as well. While they look great I always thought the two part seatposts of the past were a bad design decision. Past nostalgia what would be the benefit of this post? On Aug 21, 11:24 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Sadly, good taste has become all too rare in this 21st Century. For those of carrying the flame, there is now the SP-60. Which is, by the way, the topic of this thread. On Aug 21, 9:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bob: I've got the earlier aluminum DA posts on two Rivs; even with their considerable setback I have to use a mallet to get my Flites far back enough (yes, I ought to have listened to Grant long ago when he counseled a 72* st; but mine are 73*) and the clamp grips the front part of the cradle with just mm of contact (no problems over many years, but ...). Does the S 83 have more setback than the DAs? Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Thanks. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro. As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed. Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three. None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A masterpiece of design and execution. Bob Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
...what would be the benefit of this post? Historically, from a practical POV, the clamp went with the saddle and the post went with the frame. Lots of frames were manufactured without standardized seat tube IDs. The plain post would be very inexpensive to manufacture in a plethora of sized. Lots of saddles were sold with the clamp. Some saddles had more than two rails. Et cetera. So, in the past, the two-part design had a purpose. Bob Who's Getting Old Fast Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Yes, but it's not nearly as nice as the other, more modern Nitto seatposts or, for that matter, my Dura Aces and old Simplex (think it's Simplex) -- whence my question. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:24 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Sadly, good taste has become all too rare in this 21st Century. For those of carrying the flame, there is now the SP-60. Which is, by the way, the topic of this thread. Patrick Moore, *Resolutely* bottom trimming. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
I am old enough to remember when the LaPrad type of post was called a micro-adjust post because it didn't have the coarse serrations of the old, separate-type clamp. *And* you bet you don't get as much setback with that old kind of post. I think it's a quirky, nostalgia, be different type of accessory, a taste for which I can sympathize (but which I recognize as style, not function or even necessarily aesthetics). On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I am a bit lost on this as well. While they look great I always thought the two part seatposts of the past were a bad design decision. Past nostalgia what would be the benefit of this post? On Aug 21, 11:24 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Sadly, good taste has become all too rare in this 21st Century. For those of carrying the flame, there is now the SP-60. Which is, by the way, the topic of this thread. On Aug 21, 9:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bob: I've got the earlier aluminum DA posts on two Rivs; even with their considerable setback I have to use a mallet to get my Flites far back enough (yes, I ought to have listened to Grant long ago when he counseled a 72* st; but mine are 73*) and the clamp grips the front part of the cradle with just mm of contact (no problems over many years, but ...). Does the S 83 have more setback than the DAs? Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Thanks. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro. As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed. Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three. None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A masterpiece of design and execution. Bob Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Past nostalgia what would be the benefit of this post? Aesthetics and nostalgia are two different things. Assuming the seat clamp is well made (if not, Brompton makes a very nice one now), it is quite a stretch to say it is a bad design. The design got a bad rap mainly because the seat clamps - which were spec'd and sold by the saddle manufacturer were junk. The aesthetic is not for everyone, nor, as we see above, will the S-60 work on every bike. I have Thomson, Nitto, CLB, classic Campy Super Record, and a horde of old Simplex, Atom and other no name French seat posts. I am really looking forward to taking possession of the modern Nitto iteration. On Aug 22, 8:28 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I am a bit lost on this as well. While they look great I always thought the two part seatposts of the past were a bad design decision. Past nostalgia what would be the benefit of this post? On Aug 21, 11:24 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Sadly, good taste has become all too rare in this 21st Century. For those of carrying the flame, there is now the SP-60. Which is, by the way, the topic of this thread. On Aug 21, 9:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bob: I've got the earlier aluminum DA posts on two Rivs; even with their considerable setback I have to use a mallet to get my Flites far back enough (yes, I ought to have listened to Grant long ago when he counseled a 72* st; but mine are 73*) and the clamp grips the front part of the cradle with just mm of contact (no problems over many years, but ...). Does the S 83 have more setback than the DAs? Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Thanks. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro. As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed. Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three. None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A masterpiece of design and execution. Bob Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Yes, but it's not nearly as nice as the other, more modern Nitto seatposts or, for that matter, my Dura Aces and old Simplex (think it's Simplex) -- whence my question. Really not sure how you can say this without actually having one at hand. As I say in my prior post, I have a horde of old Simplex seat posts, two of them NOS. I fully expect the Nitto product to be head and shoulders above the Simplex in both looks and quality. And this is coming from an avid collector of Simplex components. The Retrofriction DT shifters duly excepted, most Simplex components belong on the display shelf or a ceiling hanging decoration bike. Even the vaunted Simplex SLJ derailleurs had their share of foibles Huret and Campy consistently made better product (save, of course, the lovely to look at but horrid Campy Rally rear der). On Aug 22, 9:18 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but it's not nearly as nice as the other, more modern Nitto seatposts or, for that matter, my Dura Aces and old Simplex (think it's Simplex) -- whence my question. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:24 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Sadly, good taste has become all too rare in this 21st Century. For those of carrying the flame, there is now the SP-60. Which is, by the way, the topic of this thread. Patrick Moore, *Resolutely* bottom trimming. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
*And* you bet you don't get as much setback with that old kind of post. Not a problem if you are using it on a custom bike. (but which I recognize as style, not function or even necessarily aesthetics). Now we are getting into the splitting hairs category. I hope to use mine on a custom rando style bike that will have braze on brakes, integrated fenders and front racks, internal cabling, a stem with built in stradle cable holder. It is my opinion the seat post will match the aesthetics - not just style - of the rest of the bike. I am old enough to remember when the LaPrad type of post was called a micro-adjust post because it didn't have the coarse serrations of the old, separate-type clamp. Based on James' report above, I am hopeful the clamp will be more than up to the job. If not, and as I say above, Brompton recently put a very nice stepped clamp on the market. On Aug 22, 9:21 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I am old enough to remember when the LaPrad type of post was called a micro-adjust post because it didn't have the coarse serrations of the old, separate-type clamp. *And* you bet you don't get as much setback with that old kind of post. I think it's a quirky, nostalgia, be different type of accessory, a taste for which I can sympathize (but which I recognize as style, not function or even necessarily aesthetics). On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I am a bit lost on this as well. While they look great I always thought the two part seatposts of the past were a bad design decision. Past nostalgia what would be the benefit of this post? On Aug 21, 11:24 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Sadly, good taste has become all too rare in this 21st Century. For those of carrying the flame, there is now the SP-60. Which is, by the way, the topic of this thread. On Aug 21, 9:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bob: I've got the earlier aluminum DA posts on two Rivs; even with their considerable setback I have to use a mallet to get my Flites far back enough (yes, I ought to have listened to Grant long ago when he counseled a 72* st; but mine are 73*) and the clamp grips the front part of the cradle with just mm of contact (no problems over many years, but ...). Does the S 83 have more setback than the DAs? Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Thanks. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro. As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed. Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three. None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A masterpiece of design and execution. Bob Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Aesthetics and nostalgia are two different things. Assuming the seat clamp is well made (if not, Brompton makes a very nice one now), it is quite a stretch to say it is a bad design. The design got a bad rap mainly because the seat clamps - which were spec'd and sold by the saddle manufacturer were junk. OK...past aesthetics what is the benefit. Maybe bad design is too strong but certainly having less moving pieces makes more sense. If you had multiple bikes with these it would make moving the saddle easier but I would think that would not be a common scenario. I don't have a problem with the stem I am sure it is well made I was just wondering what make one choose this over another and I think the answer is aesthetics (or nostalgia). :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
With a seat post, I stick it on there and never adjust it again. So why not look cool? And I doubt NItto would make a bad product, and it reminds me of bikes I had when i was a kid, and I think it looks like a post that was made to do a specific job without trying to look streamlined or modern or like a piece or art (it is, after all, just something to hold your saddle in place). I think of it a lot like I think of the lugs on my bike. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Johnny, The seat post was not really a bad design at all, but you must understand how things are manufactured to see why. When this type of post was made, the type of machinery needed to make it was not that sophisticated. Hence the design seams less than ideal from our stand point, because CNC mills and lathes are the norm. We can easily and cheaply make parts that would have cost thousands 50+ years ago. Look at the evolution of the crank set and bottom bracket. The cotter'd BB is by far the simplest to make. I could make one with my 1910 South Bend lathe. The tapered square bb spindle is much harder to make, and you'll need more sophisticated equipment to produce these. Now we have the out board bearings and hollow crank arms, these parts exploit the use of CNC machinery. And I'd like to add to my review that the Nitto SP-60 is heavier and less adjustable than just about every other modern seat post. I wanted one for the look and just because none of my bike club friends have one (most never seen one!) I have other bikes with Campagnolo seat post, Thomson, and other Nitto models, so a little diversity was needed. On Aug 22, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Johnny Alien wrote: I am a bit lost on this as well. While they look great I always thought the two part seatposts of the past were a bad design decision. Past nostalgia what would be the benefit of this post? James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 07:57 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Campy consistently made better product (save, of course, the lovely to look at but horrid Campy Rally rear der). Never mind the Rally, if you're looking for examples of Campagnolo Horrible, be sure to include its predecessor, the Gran Turismo: a cross between a cheapie Valentino RD and a boat anchor. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
On Aug 22, 11:29 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: OK...past aesthetics what is the benefit. It has always been a bit of a drag to work your keester off to come up with a full integrated look on your bike only to have the seat post mechanicals loudly make their presence known. This is interesting. I consider the sp-60 to be a very industrial looking seatpost. Compared to today's seatpost, I actually think it may be louder than current seatpost just because it is so different. For example, if you look at standard seatposts, most look like these: Nitto CR http://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//1149/11-031_site_pairheads.jpg Kalloy http://aebike.com/images/library/catalogs/soc/prodl/ST1550.jpg Campy Silver Seatpost http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2003/tech/features/campy_midrange/cereggisella01.jpg Of course, if you decide to really want loud, check out the Miche: http://www.freshtripe.co.uk/Freshtripe/Seats%20%20Seatposts_files/Miche%20Super%20Silver-1.jpg Until now, most post and clamp options were decidedly on the budget side of the market. Assuming this post and clamp meet Nitto's until now exacting standards, There is a fairly good chance this will be the missing component. Agree, Nitto makes great stuff, so you'll probably won't have any problems with it. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
This is interesting. I consider the sp-60 to be a very industrial looking seatpost. Compared to today's seatpost, I actually think it may be louder than current seatpost just because it is so different. Well, assuming you set it up right with a saddle like the Brooks B-17 or Berthoud, the mechanical looking clamp is out of site. If you have a Brooks Swallow or a race style Fizik, probably does not make sense to go with the SP-60, as there is no way not to see the clamp. On Aug 22, 5:30 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 22, 11:29 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: OK...past aesthetics what is the benefit. It has always been a bit of a drag to work your keester off to come up with a full integrated look on your bike only to have the seat post mechanicals loudly make their presence known. This is interesting. I consider the sp-60 to be a very industrial looking seatpost. Compared to today's seatpost, I actually think it may be louder than current seatpost just because it is so different. For example, if you look at standard seatposts, most look like these: Nitto CRhttp://www.rivbike.com/images/products/full//1149/11-031_site_pai... Kalloyhttp://aebike.com/images/library/catalogs/soc/prodl/ST1550.jpg Campy Silver Seatposthttp://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2003/tech/features/campy_midrange/c... Of course, if you decide to really want loud, check out the Miche:http://www.freshtripe.co.uk/Freshtripe/Seats%20%20Seatposts_files/Mi... Until now, most post and clamp options were decidedly on the budget side of the market. Assuming this post and clamp meet Nitto's until now exacting standards, There is a fairly good chance this will be the missing component. Agree, Nitto makes great stuff, so you'll probably won't have any problems with it. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Never mind the Rally, if you're looking for examples of Campagnolo Horrible, be sure to include its predecessor, the Gran Turismo: a cross between a cheapie Valentino RD and a boat anchor. Yeah. They are so uncharacteristically ugly for Campy only the most hard core collector bothers with them. On Aug 22, 5:01 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 07:57 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Campy consistently made better product (save, of course, the lovely to look at but horrid Campy Rally rear der). Never mind the Rally, if you're looking for examples of Campagnolo Horrible, be sure to include its predecessor, the Gran Turismo: a cross between a cheapie Valentino RD and a boat anchor. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Would like to comment again - when I used a similar style, it was on bikes with 70 degree seat tube angles. Personally, would feel this design now would put my knees too far forward to be comfortable. At least on a modern bike. Anyway, it's a moot point, as I am way past the weight limit for this saddle. Strangely, have never had a problem with the Brompton design, even when I weighed more. (Yes, I do get the look, and might even want to try one. But it's not going to happen.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 22, 7:02 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is interesting. I consider the sp-60 to be a very industrial looking seatpost. Compared to today's seatpost, I actually think it may be louder than current seatpost just because it is so different. Well, assuming you set it up right with a saddle like the Brooks B-17 or Berthoud, the mechanical looking clamp is out of site. If you have a Brooks Swallow or a race style Fizik, probably does not make sense to go with the SP-60, as there is no way not to see the clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 20:16 -0700, James Valiensi wrote: The Frog seat post must be the most secure and easy to adjust seat post in the world. I was so disappointed when Rivendell quit brining it in. They had the best price because they directly imported it from Nitto. Maybe there was pressure from the other distributers? If I need one now, I get it from Japan or pay the price, the thing lasts forever. I believe the S83, which is easily available, has the same secure and easy adjustment mechanism. http://www.velo-orange.com/nisse.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
For everyone who uses traditional frames and subscribes to the fist of seatpost extension aesthetic, Peter White sells 210 mm Nitto Jaguar seatposts for around US$ 90. Almost everyone else sells the 250 mm version at close to double Peter's price. I agree with Jim that the Jaguar is arguably the best seatpost ever made. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
@ Peter White, the Nitto Crystal Fellow (single-bolt) is $95, and the Nitto Jaguar NJ SP72 (2-bolt) is $130 for the 210mm, and $140 for the 250mm, just to clarify. On Aug 21, 8:10 am, msrw msr...@gmail.com wrote: For everyone who uses traditional frames and subscribes to the fist of seatpost extension aesthetic, Peter White sells 210 mm Nitto Jaguar seatposts for around US$ 90. Almost everyone else sells the 250 mm version at close to double Peter's price. I agree with Jim that the Jaguar is arguably the best seatpost ever made. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro. As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed. Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three. None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A masterpiece of design and execution. Bob Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Totally agree with you, Bob. Before seeing the S-83, the old Suntoure XC pro was my favorite. Even more so when I was riding mountain bikes. Just purchased the VO post for my LHT. Not as nicely finished, but a bit more setback, which I seem to prefer on this bike. Also was easier to install than the S-83, which for all it's fine points, takes a bit of finesse to fit onto leather saddles. Especially with a Nitto saddlebag grip. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 21, 5:41 pm, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro. As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed. Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three. None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A masterpiece of design and execution. Bob Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Bob: I've got the earlier aluminum DA posts on two Rivs; even with their considerable setback I have to use a mallet to get my Flites far back enough (yes, I ought to have listened to Grant long ago when he counseled a 72* st; but mine are 73*) and the clamp grips the front part of the cradle with just mm of contact (no problems over many years, but ...). Does the S 83 have more setback than the DAs? Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Thanks. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro. As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed. Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three. None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A masterpiece of design and execution. Bob Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Sadly, good taste has become all too rare in this 21st Century. For those of carrying the flame, there is now the SP-60. Which is, by the way, the topic of this thread. On Aug 21, 9:44 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bob: I've got the earlier aluminum DA posts on two Rivs; even with their considerable setback I have to use a mallet to get my Flites far back enough (yes, I ought to have listened to Grant long ago when he counseled a 72* st; but mine are 73*) and the clamp grips the front part of the cradle with just mm of contact (no problems over many years, but ...). Does the S 83 have more setback than the DAs? Can't see what the fuss is over the SP 60,though -- looks like a bad old design resurrected in better quality. Thanks. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote: I ordered a Nitto S-83 quite some time ago, and this week I got around to installing it, mating the Atlantis to the Brooks Team Pro. As I was lubing and assembling the ensemble, I was struck by the fact that this was the finest seatpost I had ever installed. Better than my Dura-Ace, Synchros, Easton, Suntour XC Pro, Suntour Superbe Pro, American Classic or even the Nitto S-65 of which I think I have three and the Thompson Elite of which I have three. None of these is junk, but the S-83 is better. How do they do it? A masterpiece of design and execution. Bob Cooper -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Nicely done. Can you tell me about that pale yellow JPValiensi labelled frameset? On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: FYI, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157624644201... James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
I love the way this post looks. This is my new favorite seat post. All others now seem inferior. Great Pics. Thanks James! Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Hi, Labeled and made by JP Valiensi. It is a 650B frame set made from Columbus tubing. I have Honjo fenders for it, but I don't use them in the summer. It is the 6th frame I made, about 6 years ago. Here is another photo of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157623193171742/ I make bicycle frames, mostly for myself but sometimes for others. I have a background in metal fabrication and enjoy making stuff (its all I know). Cheers! On Aug 20, 2010, at 2:08 PM, William wrote: Nicely done. Can you tell me about that pale yellow JPValiensi labelled frameset? On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: FYI, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157624644201... James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
I'm curious about the advantages of this type. The advantage, if you will, is aesthetics. It affords a very pure and clean look. Similar product on the market use lower quality metal than the Nitto. The excellent patina of the stem disappearing into a nice leather saddle is a special visual. Aesthetics are personal. I expect from a purely objective point of you, the Moots cinch post is probably the best mix of function, easy to adjust, weight and strength. But that big dang cinch mechanism hangs out there for all to see. So vulgar! On Aug 20, 7:11 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Why inferior? I'm curious about the advantages of this type. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I love the way this post looks. This is my new favorite seat post. All others now seem inferior. Great Pics. Thanks James! Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
Two factors keep me from buying one, the primary being my weight. At 220, well beyond what that system can tolerate. And the top of the post. Just prefer a closed top post. Better to keep out sweat and the elements. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 20, 8:04 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I'm curious about the advantages of this type. The advantage, if you will, is aesthetics. It affords a very pure and clean look. Similar product on the market use lower quality metal than the Nitto. The excellent patina of the stem disappearing into a nice leather saddle is a special visual. Aesthetics are personal. I expect from a purely objective point of you, the Moots cinch post is probably the best mix of function, easy to adjust, weight and strength. But that big dang cinch mechanism hangs out there for all to see. So vulgar! On Aug 20, 7:11 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Why inferior? I'm curious about the advantages of this type. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I love the way this post looks. This is my new favorite seat post. All others now seem inferior. Great Pics. Thanks James! Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
That's a beautiful bike On Aug 20, 7:31 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, Labeled and made by JP Valiensi. It is a 650B frame set made from Columbus tubing. I have Honjo fenders for it, but I don't use them in the summer. It is the 6th frame I made, about 6 years ago. Here is another photo of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157623193171... I make bicycle frames, mostly for myself but sometimes for others. I have a background in metal fabrication and enjoy making stuff (its all I know). Cheers! On Aug 20, 2010, at 2:08 PM, William wrote: Nicely done. Can you tell me about that pale yellow JPValiensi labelled frameset? On Aug 20, 1:51 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: FYI, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157624644201... James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
I noticed the restriction pertaining to recommended weight (not above 200 lbs.), so that would leave me out as well. My all-time favorite seatpost is the Nitto Jaguar NJS seatpost, which Rivendell called the Frog when they were selling it. I've used this seatpost on my Rivendell Road Standard from day one, and also replaced a Campagnolo Super Record seatpost with the Nitto Jaguar on another bike that I subsequently sold (a very pretty Wateford W-13). The prices of the Jaguar seatpost are a little daunting today (I paid $75.00 back when I bought mine). They seem to be going for about $170.00 from most on-line retailers at present. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Aug 20, 6:33 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Two factors keep me from buying one, the primary being my weight. At 220, well beyond what that system can tolerate. And the top of the post. Just prefer a closed top post. Better to keep out sweat and the elements. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 20, 8:04 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I'm curious about the advantages of this type. The advantage, if you will, is aesthetics. It affords a very pure and clean look. Similar product on the market use lower quality metal than the Nitto. The excellent patina of the stem disappearing into a nice leather saddle is a special visual. Aesthetics are personal. I expect from a purely objective point of you, the Moots cinch post is probably the best mix of function, easy to adjust, weight and strength. But that big dang cinch mechanism hangs out there for all to see. So vulgar! On Aug 20, 7:11 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Why inferior? I'm curious about the advantages of this type. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I love the way this post looks. This is my new favorite seat post. All others now seem inferior. Great Pics. Thanks James! Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review Instructions for Snobbish Nitto SP-60 Seat Post
The Frog seat post must be the most secure and easy to adjust seat post in the world. I was so disappointed when Rivendell quit brining it in. They had the best price because they directly imported it from Nitto. Maybe there was pressure from the other distributers? If I need one now, I get it from Japan or pay the price, the thing lasts forever. Cheers! On Aug 20, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Jim Cloud wrote: I noticed the restriction pertaining to recommended weight (not above 200 lbs.), so that would leave me out as well. My all-time favorite seatpost is the Nitto Jaguar NJS seatpost, which Rivendell called the Frog when they were selling it. I've used this seatpost on my Rivendell Road Standard from day one, and also replaced a Campagnolo Super Record seatpost with the Nitto Jaguar on another bike that I subsequently sold (a very pretty Wateford W-13). The prices of the Jaguar seatpost are a little daunting today (I paid $75.00 back when I bought mine). They seem to be going for about $170.00 from most on-line retailers at present. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Aug 20, 6:33 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Two factors keep me from buying one, the primary being my weight. At 220, well beyond what that system can tolerate. And the top of the post. Just prefer a closed top post. Better to keep out sweat and the elements. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 20, 8:04 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I'm curious about the advantages of this type. The advantage, if you will, is aesthetics. It affords a very pure and clean look. Similar product on the market use lower quality metal than the Nitto. The excellent patina of the stem disappearing into a nice leather saddle is a special visual. Aesthetics are personal. I expect from a purely objective point of you, the Moots cinch post is probably the best mix of function, easy to adjust, weight and strength. But that big dang cinch mechanism hangs out there for all to see. So vulgar! On Aug 20, 7:11 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Why inferior? I'm curious about the advantages of this type. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I love the way this post looks. This is my new favorite seat post. All others now seem inferior. Great Pics. Thanks James! Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
