[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I'm in the queue for something relatively light (in the Rivendell sense - not the MCRB sense) and nimble. I have nothing against frames without decals - but I am looking forward to having a custom bike with the Rivendell headbadge, Joe Bell paint job, etc. Corwin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I bought a Riv Road frame in 94/95. This was before there was a custom option. It's made from 753 tubing. It rides GREAT. I use it on randonneuring rides and have done as much as 600 km on it (in under 40 hours) Though Grant likes the english style of rear cycle bag (as do I) I use a canvas handlebar bag and a small front rack with a VO fork mounted decaleur and the bike handles fine. No great. I have since had S S couplings added center pull brake braze ons. The parts package has changed a few times but it has ended up with a 9 speed Campy Centaur drive train with friction shifters and old style Specialized cranks with a 33x46 chainring set up. 14x28 in the back and I've ridden UP everything out there. Even gravel passes. My wait was a couple of months. I hear it's a bit longer as well. Good luck and enjoy the bike. Andy Seattle On Oct 26, 7:15 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Oct 24, 12:54 am, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe Grant prefer rear racks but I'm hoping he'll design a frame/fork suitable for a Berthoud or Acorn front bag; perhaps Grant and Mark (Nobilette) may even consent to brazing up a simple custom front rack. :) . .. . Finally, and this is way out there, I may ask if he is willing to design the bike around the PegoRichie tubeset. sounds very much like my custom, right down to the tubes! sweet. your post implies that perhaps some of your preferences might be vetoed? how exactly does the riv custom process work? i realize that some designers/framebuilders do things their way and your either down with it or your not - and that's cool. i have a lot of respect for that. but, if you have a clear, reasoned thoughts about what *you* want (front rack, spirit tubes, etc.), I don't think you should compromise. it's *your* custom bike, afterall! in any event, I'm sure it will be a killer rig! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
on 10/27/09 2:12 PM, Mike at mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't fork trail one of those taboo subjects like politics and carbon bashing? Among some groups perhaps, but I have high hopes for our ability to keep things in perspective. ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I don't know Jim, it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know we'll be discussing planing... On Oct 28, 10:28 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 10/27/09 2:12 PM, Mike at mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't fork trail one of those taboo subjects like politics and carbon bashing? Among some groups perhaps, but I have high hopes for our ability to keep things in perspective. ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping your bars high. I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers. I rode with guy on a red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers. Fire Chief from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider! Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. Jeff On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 10:57 -0700, Jeff wrote: Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. Don't guess, figure it out: http://kogswell.com/geo.php I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. It was fine in its day, a revelation compared to the likes of the Campagnolo Gran Turismo. I used one for many years. Compared to current Shimano MTB offerings, it's outdated and a poor performer. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Hey Jeff, 4.3cm is not a lot of fork rake. I think a lot of the low trail bikes have 6cm or so. I am pretty sure the Heron Randonneur was Tod Kuzma's project and that the geometry was not tweaked to account for the front rack. I think he basically spec'ed the frame with racks and fenders included and that is what made it the Randonneur... Regards, Doug On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping your bars high. I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers. I rode with guy on a red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers. Fire Chief from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider! Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. Jeff On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Thanks for the link, Steve! I've got a Huret Duo-par (which handles 13-32 just fine) on my Hetchins and wanted to try something else retro for the new build. I appreciate your input about the V-GT. The research will continue. Jeff On Oct 27, 1:08 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 10:57 -0700, Jeff wrote: Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. Don't guess, figure it out: http://kogswell.com/geo.php I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. It was fine in its day, a revelation compared to the likes of the Campagnolo Gran Turismo. I used one for many years. Compared to current Shimano MTB offerings, it's outdated and a poor performer. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Okay, so it was a Kuzma project? I think I got the last of these from Todd in May 2007 as he was shutting down Heron. It looks to me like most production Rivendells (except the Ram) tend to have more rake (like 5 or 5.2) than I'm used to, so I may well get improved handling with a bag, though perhaps not at the level of Herses and Singers of old. Jeff On Oct 27, 1:31 pm, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Jeff, 4.3cm is not a lot of fork rake. I think a lot of the low trail bikes have 6cm or so. I am pretty sure the Heron Randonneur was Tod Kuzma's project and that the geometry was not tweaked to account for the front rack. I think he basically spec'ed the frame with racks and fenders included and that is what made it the Randonneur... Regards, Doug On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping your bars high. I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers. I rode with guy on a red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers. Fire Chief from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider! Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. Jeff On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
When I was looking for a custom, I talked to 3 builders all were OK with leaving the d/t and seat tube markings off the bikes. I did decide to have the markings put on, the design of the bike just looked better with them. There was an interesting article in the NYT recently about how brands were important to the owner but of little to no interest to people around them. Which tracks with my experience with bikes, almost no ever asks a question about the bike brand, some times people figure the name on the d/t is mine. Scott, who's last name isn't Kvale. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
on 10/27/09 10:49 AM, Jeff at newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: Okay, so it was a Kuzma project? I think I got the last of these from Todd in May 2007 as he was shutting down Heron. It looks to me like most production Rivendells (except the Ram) tend to have more rake (like 5 or 5.2) than I'm used to, so I may well get improved handling with a bag, though perhaps not at the level of Herses and Singers of old. Not to open up an endlessly rehashed can o' worms, but the rake (offset) of the fork itself is only one of the variables in determining fork trail. A good calculator, such as JimG's will show how different values of HA, tire size, etc., interact. http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php And, fork trail itself is only one of the variables which determines the ride of the bicycle. Opinions and experiences with high trail and low trail has certainly generated a ton of posts on the topic (visit the ibob archives for a couple days' worth of reading - let's not replicate it here.) I think it's tempting to focus just on that aspect, as far as bike handling is concerned, but it is just a part of the bigger picture. Changing one thing - rake, trail, HA, bb height, wheelbase - changes everything, and there are always tradeoffs. Of course, the big variable of rider technique and position, plus the type of terrrain and conditions in which one rides, plays a huge part. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Nigel did some work for some of the other riders at Allied, onces who still rode metal. He hadn't liked it when Chevette had gone for a paper frame. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. Did Grant and Jan Heine ever work together on any projects? Those are two good bicycle minds but also two very opinionated minds as well. It sure would have been fun to listen in. Kind of the bicycle equivalent of Robert Altman and John Ford getting together to make a film. On Oct 27, 12:57 pm, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping your bars high. I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers. I rode with guy on a red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers. Fire Chief from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider! Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. Jeff On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Isn't fork trail one of those taboo subjects like politics and carbon bashing? On Oct 27, 1:32 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 10/27/09 10:49 AM, Jeff at newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: Okay, so it was a Kuzma project? I think I got the last of these from Todd in May 2007 as he was shutting down Heron. It looks to me like most production Rivendells (except the Ram) tend to have more rake (like 5 or 5.2) than I'm used to, so I may well get improved handling with a bag, though perhaps not at the level of Herses and Singers of old. Not to open up an endlessly rehashed can o' worms, but the rake (offset) of the fork itself is only one of the variables in determining fork trail. A good calculator, such as JimG's will show how different values of HA, tire size, etc., interact. http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php And, fork trail itself is only one of the variables which determines the ride of the bicycle. Opinions and experiences with high trail and low trail has certainly generated a ton of posts on the topic (visit the ibob archives for a couple days' worth of reading - let's not replicate it here.) I think it's tempting to focus just on that aspect, as far as bike handling is concerned, but it is just a part of the bigger picture. Changing one thing - rake, trail, HA, bb height, wheelbase - changes everything, and there are always tradeoffs. Of course, the big variable of rider technique and position, plus the type of terrrain and conditions in which one rides, plays a huge part. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Nigel did some work for some of the other riders at Allied, onces who still rode metal. He hadn't liked it when Chevette had gone for a paper frame. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Here's a recent interview Bicycle Times did with Jan Heine. It's good. http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/content/interview-bicycle-quarterlys-jan-heine On Oct 27, 2:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. Did Grant and Jan Heine ever work together on any projects? Those are two good bicycle minds but also two very opinionated minds as well. It sure would have been fun to listen in. Kind of the bicycle equivalent of Robert Altman and John Ford getting together to make a film. On Oct 27, 12:57 pm, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping your bars high. I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers. I rode with guy on a red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers. Fire Chief from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider! Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. Jeff On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell. http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf -- Rene -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CycloFiend Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:33 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell? on 10/27/09 10:49 AM, Jeff at newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: Okay, so it was a Kuzma project? I think I got the last of these from Todd in May 2007 as he was shutting down Heron. It looks to me like most production Rivendells (except the Ram) tend to have more rake (like 5 or 5.2) than I'm used to, so I may well get improved handling with a bag, though perhaps not at the level of Herses and Singers of old. Not to open up an endlessly rehashed can o' worms, but the rake (offset) of the fork itself is only one of the variables in determining fork trail. A good calculator, such as JimG's will show how different values of HA, tire size, etc., interact. http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php And, fork trail itself is only one of the variables which determines the ride of the bicycle. Opinions and experiences with high trail and low trail has certainly generated a ton of posts on the topic (visit the ibob archives for a couple days' worth of reading - let's not replicate it here.) I think it's tempting to focus just on that aspect, as far as bike handling is concerned, but it is just a part of the bigger picture. Changing one thing - rake, trail, HA, bb height, wheelbase - changes everything, and there are always tradeoffs. Of course, the big variable of rider technique and position, plus the type of terrrain and conditions in which one rides, plays a huge part. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Nigel did some work for some of the other riders at Allied, onces who still rode metal. He hadn't liked it when Chevette had gone for a paper frame. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Oops. This reply should be for Joel. Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell. http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf -- Rene -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:42 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell? The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. Did Grant and Jan Heine ever work together on any projects? Those are two good bicycle minds but also two very opinionated minds as well. It sure would have been fun to listen in. Kind of the bicycle equivalent of Robert Altman and John Ford getting together to make a film. On Oct 27, 12:57 pm, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping your bars high. I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers. I rode with guy on a red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers. Fire Chief from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider! Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. Jeff On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 15:23 -0700, Rene Valbuena wrote: Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell. http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf Jan also wrote several articles for Riv Reader. I'm not sure either qualifies as collaboration. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 15:22 -0700, Mike wrote: Here's a recent interview Bicycle Times did with Jan Heine. It's good. http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/content/interview-bicycle-quarterlys-jan-heine Excellent article. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I had no idea. Maybe that means somewhere in a Hollywood vault exists a film called Stagecoach to Nashville Thanks for the links. On Oct 27, 5:29 pm, Rene Valbuena valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Oops. This reply should be for Joel. Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell. http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf -- Rene -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:42 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell? The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. Did Grant and Jan Heine ever work together on any projects? Those are two good bicycle minds but also two very opinionated minds as well. It sure would have been fun to listen in. Kind of the bicycle equivalent of Robert Altman and John Ford getting together to make a film. On Oct 27, 12:57 pm, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping your bars high. I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers. I rode with guy on a red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers. Fire Chief from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider! Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. Jeff On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. It was fine in its day, a revelation compared to the likes of the Campagnolo Gran Turismo. I used one for many years. Compared to current Shimano MTB offerings, it's outdated and a poor performer. I agree with Steve, and more: compared even to much older Shimano offerings. I used one of these on a commuter, then swapped it out for a immediately-pre-indexing slant para long cage Shimano, and the Shimano was decidedly better at shifting with less clatter and hesitation. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Joel, While I know Jan served as a consultant in the design of the Heron Randonneur (mentions it in BQ vol. 4 review), from the information I'm gathering from this thread, I'm thinking he worked with Todd Kuzma. The last thing I want to do is spread misinformation here. I was assuming that the Herons were all Grant designed, but that may well be only the Rally and the Wayfarer-- the road and touring frames that my frame splits the difference between. Jeff On Oct 27, 4:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. Did Grant and Jan Heine ever work together on any projects? Those are two good bicycle minds but also two very opinionated minds as well. It sure would have been fun to listen in. Kind of the bicycle equivalent of Robert Altman and John Ford getting together to make a film. On Oct 27, 12:57 pm, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket drop which seems to be right up there on Rivendell's list with keeping your bars high. I'm also going for the post mounted Paul Racers. I rode with guy on a red custom Rivendell who had the posts for Mafac Racers. Fire Chief from around Seattle named Andy-- great guy and a strong rider! Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with regard to trail? The bike handles fine both with and without a Berthoud bag. I do get a little bit of shimmy while riding no hands with rear low rider panniers added, but that's not my standard set up. I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train. Jeff On Oct 26, 10:45 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Oct 24, 12:54 am, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe Grant prefer rear racks but I'm hoping he'll design a frame/fork suitable for a Berthoud or Acorn front bag; perhaps Grant and Mark (Nobilette) may even consent to brazing up a simple custom front rack. :) . .. . Finally, and this is way out there, I may ask if he is willing to design the bike around the PegoRichie tubeset. sounds very much like my custom, right down to the tubes! sweet. your post implies that perhaps some of your preferences might be vetoed? how exactly does the riv custom process work? i realize that some designers/framebuilders do things their way and your either down with it or your not - and that's cool. i have a lot of respect for that. but, if you have a clear, reasoned thoughts about what *you* want (front rack, spirit tubes, etc.), I don't think you should compromise. it's *your* custom bike, afterall! in any event, I'm sure it will be a killer rig! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Howdy folks. Unless there has been some fairly recent and radical change, a Riv Custom isn't really custom. It is Grant's design for you, tweaked within limits to your preferences. I know of at least one Custom from the Curt Goodrich days that was built with braze-ons for centerpull brakes and at least one that Curt built a front rando rack for (may have been the same bike, don't recall). So there is a precedent for that sort of thing. I don't think, though, that Grant will radically alter any traditional RBW geometry ideas so I would be surprised if he would do a low trail French style front geometry. It will be interesting to hear how these recent Customs come out. My impression is that Customs are a FAR smaller proportion of RBW sales than they were 10 years ago... Regards, Doug On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Oct 24, 12:54 am, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe Grant prefer rear racks but I'm hoping he'll design a frame/fork suitable for a Berthoud or Acorn front bag; perhaps Grant and Mark (Nobilette) may even consent to brazing up a simple custom front rack. :) . .. . Finally, and this is way out there, I may ask if he is willing to design the bike around the PegoRichie tubeset. sounds very much like my custom, right down to the tubes! sweet. your post implies that perhaps some of your preferences might be vetoed? how exactly does the riv custom process work? i realize that some designers/framebuilders do things their way and your either down with it or your not - and that's cool. i have a lot of respect for that. but, if you have a clear, reasoned thoughts about what *you* want (front rack, spirit tubes, etc.), I don't think you should compromise. it's *your* custom bike, afterall! in any event, I'm sure it will be a killer rig! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. Copy/paste from the notes: I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. From: Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 11:24:19 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell? Howdy folks. Unless there has been some fairly recent and radical change, a Riv Custom isn't really custom. It is Grant's design for you, tweaked within limits to your preferences. I know of at least one Custom from the Curt Goodrich days that was built with braze-ons for centerpull brakes and at least one that Curt built a front rando rack for (may have been the same bike, don't recall). So there is a precedent for that sort of thing. I don't think, though, that Grant will radically alter any traditional RBW geometry ideas so I would be surprised if he would do a low trail French style front geometry. It will be interesting to hear how these recent Customs come out. My impression is that Customs are a FAR smaller proportion of RBW sales than they were 10 years ago... Regards, Doug On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Oct 24, 12:54 am, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe Grant prefer rear racks but I'm hoping he'll design a frame/fork suitable for a Berthoud or Acorn front bag; perhaps Grant and Mark (Nobilette) may even consent to brazing up a simple custom front rack. :) . .. . Finally, and this is way out there, I may ask if he is willing to design the bike around the PegoRichie tubeset. sounds very much like my custom, right down to the tubes! sweet. your post implies that perhaps some of your preferences might be vetoed? how exactly does the riv custom process work? i realize that some designers/framebuilders do things their way and your either down with it or your not - and that's cool. i have a lot of respect for that. but, if you have a clear, reasoned thoughts about what *you* want (front rack, spirit tubes, etc.), I don't think you should compromise. it's *your* custom bike, afterall! in any event, I'm sure it will be a killer rig! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
All depends on how far you take the ³values and style² aspect, right? I¹m not sure how a low-trail fork compromises Riv¹s values and style. It¹s not like asking for a dayglo time trial bike, right? Ultimately, seems like a question that only a phone call or e-mail to Grant can answer though. Dustin From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:34:59 -0700 (PDT) To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell? Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. Copy/paste from the notes: I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. From: Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 11:24:19 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell? Howdy folks. Unless there has been some fairly recent and radical change, a Riv Custom isn't really custom. It is Grant's design for you, tweaked within limits to your preferences. I know of at least one Custom from the Curt Goodrich days that was built with braze-ons for centerpull brakes and at least one that Curt built a front rando rack for (may have been the same bike, don't recall). So there is a precedent for that sort of thing. I don't think, though, that Grant will radically alter any traditional RBW geometry ideas so I would be surprised if he would do a low trail French style front geometry. It will be interesting to hear how these recent Customs come out. My impression is that Customs are a FAR smaller proportion of RBW sales than they were 10 years ago... Regards, Doug On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Oct 24, 12:54 am, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe Grant prefer rear racks but I'm hoping he'll design a frame/fork suitable for a Berthoud or Acorn front bag; perhaps Grant and Mark (Nobilette) may even consent to brazing up a simple custom front rack. :) . .. . Finally, and this is way out there, I may ask if he is willing to design the bike around the PegoRichie tubeset. sounds very much like my custom, right down to the tubes! sweet. your post implies that perhaps some of your preferences might be vetoed? how exactly does the riv custom process work? i realize that some designers/framebuilders do things their way and your either down with it or your not - and that's cool. i have a lot of respect for that. but, if you have a clear, reasoned thoughts about what *you* want (front rack, spirit tubes, etc.), I don't think you should compromise. it's *your* custom bike, afterall! in any event, I'm sure it will be a killer rig! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I chose a specific builder because I wanted their ideas, aesthetics, etc. applied to a bike designed for my size, weight and riding style. These ideas and practices (craft, material, weld-style, etc) are what truly distinguish builders from one another. If you have very strong ideas (that you're not willing to compromise) about exactly which tubeset you want, fork rake, trail, geometry, etc. then what are you coming to the builder for exactly? I'm not suggesting that is anybody here but I have heard such discussions on other forums and it has always perplexed me. It's like they want a builder to put their name on a bike that they didn't actually design. I think Grant's honesty and refusal to compromise, even if it means he might lose a sale, is actually refreshing. Fortunately there are a lot of choices when it comes to custom builders and most anybody can find what they're looking for. I can't wait to ride the Rivendell Grant designed for me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: I chose a specific builder because I wanted their ideas, aesthetics, etc. applied to a bike designed for my size, weight and riding style. These ideas and practices (craft, material, weld-style, etc) are what truly distinguish builders from one another. If you have very strong ideas (that you're not willing to compromise) about exactly which tubeset you want, fork rake, trail, geometry, etc. then what are you coming to the builder for exactly? I'm not suggesting that is anybody here but I have heard such discussions on other forums and it has always perplexed me. It's like they want a builder to put their name on a bike that they didn't actually design. I think Grant's honesty and refusal to compromise, even if it means he might lose a sale, is actually refreshing. Fortunately there are a lot of choices when it comes to custom builders and most anybody can find what they're looking for. I can't wait to ride the Rivendell Grant designed for me. To be fair I think some folks who want a custom do NOT want the builder to put their name on it. They just want a very specific frame built and to have it. Not all products are about advertising. To be sure, if I ever have a custom frame built the custom feature I will not bend on is that there be no names nor logos anywhere on the bike. I'm not paying someone to advertise for them. I'm paying them for their skill and time. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
To be fair I think some folks who want a custom do NOT want the builder to put their name on it. They just want a very specific frame built and to have it. Not all products are about advertising. To be sure, if I ever have a custom frame built the custom feature I will not bend on is that there be no names nor logos anywhere on the bike. I'm not paying someone to advertise for them. I'm paying them for their skill and time. But Grant is pretty clear that he believes bikes should be a certain way and those are the bikes he builds. There are plenty of builders who will make bikes to customer's exact specifications. Sometimes this results in wonderful chemistry. Other times, the customer learns all to late the expensive limits of his/her bike design skills. I guess you could say that the Rivendell sticker on a bike is advertising. I expect Grant would say that and a label saying this is what I believe a bike should be. On Oct 26, 1:10 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: I chose a specific builder because I wanted their ideas, aesthetics, etc. applied to a bike designed for my size, weight and riding style. These ideas and practices (craft, material, weld-style, etc) are what truly distinguish builders from one another. If you have very strong ideas (that you're not willing to compromise) about exactly which tubeset you want, fork rake, trail, geometry, etc. then what are you coming to the builder for exactly? I'm not suggesting that is anybody here but I have heard such discussions on other forums and it has always perplexed me. It's like they want a builder to put their name on a bike that they didn't actually design. I think Grant's honesty and refusal to compromise, even if it means he might lose a sale, is actually refreshing. Fortunately there are a lot of choices when it comes to custom builders and most anybody can find what they're looking for. I can't wait to ride the Rivendell Grant designed for me. To be fair I think some folks who want a custom do NOT want the builder to put their name on it. They just want a very specific frame built and to have it. Not all products are about advertising. To be sure, if I ever have a custom frame built the custom feature I will not bend on is that there be no names nor logos anywhere on the bike. I'm not paying someone to advertise for them. I'm paying them for their skill and time. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Not even a stamp?No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to.I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. On Oct 26, 2:10 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair I think some folks who want a custom do NOT want the builder to put their name on it. They just want a very specific frame built and to have it. Not all products are about advertising. To be sure, if I ever have a custom frame built the custom feature I will not bend on is that there be no names nor logos anywhere on the bike. I'm not paying someone to advertise for them. I'm paying them for their skill and time. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not even a stamp? No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to. I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to compromise on my requirements a bit. However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have no markings save the ones I want. I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools) If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me. I do not wish to be compelled to do otherwise. And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to a point.( That little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me, though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos. No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request. I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't dogmatically follow this rule. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I'm not paying someone to advertise for them. I'm paying them for their skill and time. -sv Interesting perspective Seth but what you describe seems to devalue the role of the craftsperson/builder in the process. Does your boycott of logos and names include headbadges? Craftspeople throughout time have marked their work in one way or another. Personally, I know there are plenty of folks who will build you a bike without decals and logos of any kind but this is a tough business and I don't mind spreading the word as long as it's tastefully done. This is a matter of personal preference of course. Again, if you simply want a builder to build a bike of your design then you're probably not going to buy a Rivendell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
When Joe Bell painted my '72 Cinelli, we opted to leave his traditional JB logo off, since it wasn't correct for the period. ―Eric Norris Sent via iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not even a stamp?No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to.I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to compromise on my requirements a bit. However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have no markings save the ones I want. I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools) If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me. I do not wish to be compelled to do otherwise. And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to a point.( That little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me, though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos. No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request. I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't dogmatically follow this rule. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
When I had my Blacksheep allrounder done, I asked James to leave all stickers off and just went with a headbadge. Seemed like a nice compromise to me of making the frame identifiable in a subtle way, while avoiding the feeling of riding on a billboard between wheels. Dustin From: Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:40:10 -0400 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell? On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not even a stamp? No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to. I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to compromise on my requirements a bit. However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have no markings save the ones I want. I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools) If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me. I do not wish to be compelled to do otherwise. And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to a point.( That little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me, though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos. No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request. I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't dogmatically follow this rule. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Craftspeople throughout time have marked their work in one way or another. Heck yeah. Michelangelo even signed a ceiling he painted for the Vatican. On Oct 26, 1:38 pm, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not paying someone to advertise for them. I'm paying them for their skill and time. -sv Interesting perspective Seth but what you describe seems to devalue the role of the craftsperson/builder in the process. Does your boycott of logos and names include headbadges? Craftspeople throughout time have marked their work in one way or another. Personally, I know there are plenty of folks who will build you a bike without decals and logos of any kind but this is a tough business and I don't mind spreading the word as long as it's tastefully done. This is a matter of personal preference of course. Again, if you simply want a builder to build a bike of your design then you're probably not going to buy a Rivendell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Craftspeople throughout time have marked their work in one way or another. Heck yeah. Michelangelo even signed a ceiling he painted for the Vatican. I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a logo. right? -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
When Joe Bell painted my '72 Cinelli, we opted to leave his traditional JB logo off, since it wasn't correct for the period. That makes a lot of sense, as the intent was to return something to what it was, not recreate it. Per my post above, the team of artisans who restored the Sistine Chapel, would never think to have signed it themselves. On Oct 26, 2:44 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: When Joe Bell painted my '72 Cinelli, we opted to leave his traditional JB logo off, since it wasn't correct for the period. --Eric Norris Sent via iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not even a stamp?No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to.I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to compromise on my requirements a bit. However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have no markings save the ones I want. I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools) If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me. I do not wish to be compelled to do otherwise. And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to a point.( That little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me, though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos. No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request. I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't dogmatically follow this rule. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I wouldn't buy a custom without the builders name on it.If I put out that kind of money I want it right. Word of mouth can either be the best or worst advertising anybody or any business can have. Would you fabricate a frame and hang your name on it if somebody would bad mouth it? This is the age of the internet. These people are not getting rich. They are providing us (the consumers) with options and some of the finest built bicycles you can buy, and yes I'd say in the world. There are lots of choices and lots of builders and I'm going to say yeah, put your name on it because I talk alot and so does everybody else, so make it good. I bet they will because if they don't somebody will point it out. On Oct 26, 3:03 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: When Joe Bell painted my '72 Cinelli, we opted to leave his traditional JB logo off, since it wasn't correct for the period. That makes a lot of sense, as the intent was to return something to what it was, not recreate it. Per my post above, the team of artisans who restored the Sistine Chapel, would never think to have signed it themselves. On Oct 26, 2:44 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: When Joe Bell painted my '72 Cinelli, we opted to leave his traditional JB logo off, since it wasn't correct for the period. --Eric Norris Sent via iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not even a stamp? No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to. I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to compromise on my requirements a bit. However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have no markings save the ones I want. I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools) If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me. I do not wish to be compelled to do otherwise. And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to a point.( That little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me, though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos. No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request. I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't dogmatically follow this rule. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I recall in an early Rivendell Reader an installment of Who Rides a Rivendell (owners their bikes), with a gentlemen who had a black Rivendell with no downtube decals (don't recall if it had a headbadge or not) as a theft deterent. I believe it was his commuter bike. Angus On Oct 26, 2:40 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not even a stamp? No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to. I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to compromise on my requirements a bit. However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have no markings save the ones I want. I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools) If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me. I do not wish to be compelled to do otherwise. And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to a point.( That little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me, though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos. No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request. I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't dogmatically follow this rule. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a logo. right? That was an era both before logos were used and people signing things was common. Michelangelo's signature, plus his using buddies' faces on angels was his logo. On Oct 26, 3:03 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Craftspeople throughout time have marked their work in one way or another. Heck yeah. Michelangelo even signed a ceiling he painted for the Vatican. I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a logo. right? -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:03 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a logo. right? That was an era both before logos were used and people signing things was common. Michelangelo's signature, plus his using buddies' faces on angels was his logo. then consider me an ultra retro grouch. If a builder wants to 'sign' their work on the bottom bracket in a small, tasteful way, then I'll leave it there. Hey, wait - I have one of those on the bottom bracket of every bike I have - it's called the serial number. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Seth, I respect your position even if I don't share it. With regard to Rivendell, I think the logos on the custom frames are works of art but hey, I am a designer and typophile. Clearly this is a major issue with you and I hope that when you do get a custom frame built you are able to find a builder who shares your philosophy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a logo. right? Now we're splitting hairs. On a Trek, I think you have a point. On a Rivendell, the badge and logos are a signature. Modern logos are derivative of artisan, trade and craftsperson symbols (trade marks?) which could be found on everything from armor to vases to oil paintings. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: Seth, I respect your position even if I don't share it. Thanks - you'll note I'm not saying everyone should agree with me. :) -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Angus, that sounds a lot like this Atlantis I recently saw locked up in San Francisco: http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4014990734. It definitely does look less fancy theft appealing when you remove the decals and standard cream-on-green-lug-highlighting paint job, but the bike still looks classy to me! -nathan On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I recall in an early Rivendell Reader an installment of Who Rides a Rivendell (owners their bikes), with a gentlemen who had a black Rivendell with no downtube decals (don't recall if it had a headbadge or not) as a theft deterent. I believe it was his commuter bike. Angus On Oct 26, 2:40 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not even a stamp? No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to. I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to compromise on my requirements a bit. However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have no markings save the ones I want. I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools) If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me. I do not wish to be compelled to do otherwise. And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to a point.( That little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me, though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos. No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request. I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't dogmatically follow this rule. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I remember that. He wanted it to be a stealth commuter. DE On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I recall in an early Rivendell Reader an installment of Who Rides a Rivendell (owners their bikes), with a gentlemen who had a black Rivendell with no downtube decals (don't recall if it had a headbadge or not) as a theft deterent. I believe it was his commuter bike. Angus On Oct 26, 2:40 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Not even a stamp?No names or logos seems like a pretty strict requirement for an artisan to adhere to.I only say this because I wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of someone's skill and time. If something as personal as a custom bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those hands. I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to compromise on my requirements a bit. However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have no markings save the ones I want. I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools) If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me. I do not wish to be compelled to do otherwise. And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to a point.( That little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me, though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos. No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request. I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't dogmatically follow this rule. -sv -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW gestalt. I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it, and use it. But ultimately it is our name that goes on the bike, so certain consistencies and standards must be met, for it to bear our name. For that reason, before ordering a Rivendell custom, it's important to familiarize yourself with our values and style, and make sure we're a good match. I'm familiar with that entry, and that's why I stated that I'll see if I can fit my nice-to-have list in. I do want a Rivendell fitted to me but I also have a preferred list of features, as a custom bike should. If the items on the preferred list clashes with the Rivendell design, then I'll definitely go with whatever Grant is recommending since I do want the bike to handle, look and feel like a Rivendell. Otherwise, why bother? Nevertheless, except for the PegoRichie tubing bit and maybe the front rack bias*, I believe the items on my list are quite aligned with the Rivendell philosophy. In fact, I've already spoken to Grant a while ago about most of the items and he seemed quite agreeable to them. However, the longer the wait, the longer the list grows! I'm certain and in fact expecting that Grant will remain his steadfast self and filter out that which will compromise his design. Yes, this will be Grant's design for me. : Cheers, Benz * this may be nothing at all since I'm not asking for a porteur bicycle! I only want to carry a small front bag like a Berthoud GB2286, Acorn Boxy Rando Bag or Guu-watanabe Retro (if the CFO goes raving mad, LOL!) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Interesting idea about decals/logos, Seth. When I had my Atlantis SS coupled, I had it powdercoated black, with no decals or headbadges. I don't mind a tasteful decal or logo, but in this case I was going for a stealth appearance. It turns out to be a pretty striking bike without any logos, and whenever I have it out, somebody approaches me to ask what it is. So much for stealth... http://www.flickr.com/photos/twowheelflight/3229886800/ On Oct 26, 8:29 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: Seth, I respect your position even if I don't share it. Thanks - you'll note I'm not saying everyone should agree with me. :) -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
The mention of Mercian, reminded me of another option, while it's not a GP designed frame, is lugged, full custom steel, to your spec and is from France. About an eight week turn. For that matter, one could get onto this, ride it for a couple years while awaiting their Riv. Cyfac's VINTAGE is 100% hand-made in La Fuye, France. Canti or reg. brake mounts, full touring mounts or not, 1 fork, threaded or not. Pretty sweet option. http://www.veloeuropa.com/cyfac/cyfac/cyfac-custom/page9/page9.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I'm in the queue for a randonneur style frame. I put in the paper work in May and am about 1/3 paid off (hopefully 1/2 after next month) so I'm glad there's a good long wait remaining. For the longest time I thought I wanted a Herse, but after picking up the entire run of the Reader, I realized what I need, what I can't live without, is a Rivendell. Currently I ride a Heron Randonneur and just absolutely love it. I want the same geometry (73 head, 72 seat) for the custom, but will set it up in more of a Rivendell style: 7 speed dishless Phil wheels, Nitto lugged stem, Silver downtube shifters. Mark said it'll be about a year wait. Need to stay off of ebay and make another payment on that frame. . . Jeff On Oct 23, 8:47 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm curious if anyone on this list is waiting on a custom Rivendell? If so, what kind of bike are you having built and what's the wait. I'm just curious. Per the Rivendell website it says waits are now like a year or so which is shorter than it was a few years ago. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: 7 speed dishless Phil wheels Is this with a freewheel or freehub? Does Rivendell sell these built up? I think I want this. Horace. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: 7 speed dishless Phil wheels Is this with a freewheel or freehub? Does Rivendell sell these built up? I think I want this. These would be the freewheel hub that Riv had Phil make for them. I'm sure they'd be happy to sell a complete wheel built on it. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
Who is doing the custom Rivendells these days? It isn't still Mark Nobilette, is it? My impression is that he is pretty busy with his bikes and the Rene Hearse bikes... Doug On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm curious if anyone on this list is waiting on a custom Rivendell? If so, what kind of bike are you having built and what's the wait. I'm just curious. Per the Rivendell website it says waits are now like a year or so which is shorter than it was a few years ago. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: 7 speed dishless Phil wheels Is this with a freewheel or freehub? Does Rivendell sell these built up? I think I want this. These would be the freewheel hub that Riv had Phil make for them. I'm sure they'd be happy to sell a complete wheel built on it. Yeah, I went to the Riv site to look at that. I guess one would use an IRD freewheel with the Phil hub. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I'm in the queue. Have been for 2 years. Mark N. is still building the frames. I am getting a 700c drop barred Riv with clearance for 38s with fenders. The build will be Riv spec including silver velocity rims, King hubs, sidepull brakes, DA bar-end shifters, Nitto bar-stem- post, etc. The color (chosen largely by my daughter) is HOK (House of Kolor) Cinnamon Pearl. I expect to be able to throw a leg over it in about a month, as JB is prepping and painting as I write. Can't wait! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
How did you pick up the entire run of the Reader? I see some for sale for $4 each on rivbike, but no mention of how to get the entire run. How much does that run? Is it printed or all pdf? Thanks! On Oct 23, 11:04 am, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: but after picking up the entire run of the Reader, I realized what I need, what I can't live without, is a Rivendell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
So Brad, I imagine you paid the price that a custom sold for at the time you placed the order right? Congrats on the impending arrival of the bike and be sure to post some pictures of it. It's really too bad that Rivendell never got together a frame shop like Bilenky, Indpenpendent or Mercian. But then again, if they were focused on frames they wouldn't necessarily be doing the other cool things they're doing--bags, desiging racks, etc. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
guess one would use an IRD freewheel with the Phil hub. Perhaps. Some great NOS Regina and Suntour Winner Ultra freewheels show up on eBay regularly. Worth considering. On Oct 23, 12:28 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: 7 speed dishless Phil wheels Is this with a freewheel or freehub? Does Rivendell sell these built up? I think I want this. These would be the freewheel hub that Riv had Phil make for them. I'm sure they'd be happy to sell a complete wheel built on it. Yeah, I went to the Riv site to look at that. I guess one would use an IRD freewheel with the Phil hub. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who's in the queue for a custom Rivendell?
I'm on the list for more than a year now. I spoke to Mark the last time I was at RBWHQ and he said my number will be up at the end of the year. I am somewhat surprised because I had expected a longer wait when I first signed up. Regardless, I'm very excited, and have both a running list of what details I want and a collection of Riv-ish parts for it. Like Jeff, I'm aiming for a randonneur-style frame with clearance for a 30-section tire with fenders. I believe Grant prefer rear racks but I'm hoping he'll design a frame/fork suitable for a Berthoud or Acorn front bag; perhaps Grant and Mark (Nobilette) may even consent to brazing up a simple custom front rack. :) I'm also quite partial towards Paul Racer brakes so I will have centerpull brake boss braze- ons. The bike will also have Honjo fenders on it full-time so I'll be requesting braze-ons and bridges that allow fitting fenders without brackets or hangers. Of course, for such an occasion as a new custom Rivendell, I may indulge a little aesthetic upgrades. Finally, and this is way out there, I may ask if he is willing to design the bike around the PegoRichie tubeset. I'm about 165 lbs wet and quite easy on equipment, and the intended use of this bike will be for fast and long jaunts (not racing!). Nevertheless, I realize the tubing sizes may not be compatible with the Rivendell lugset. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
