RE: newbie kernel help

2002-03-11 Thread Paul Hamm

The source rpm for the kernel is not installed.  You should be able to find
it at any mirror sight there is only one.  You may want to grab all the
kernel-* packages.  RH installs the kernel source into the directory
/usr/src/linux-

But for your problem you most likely only need to install the module not
build the kernel.  Check the man and info pages for lsmod, insmod, rmmod,
and modprobe.  also take a look at the file /etc/modules.conf

If you would like to make your own kernel.  You can do so easily by coping
the correct config file from the directory
/usr/src/linux-2.4.9-31/configs/ to /usr/src/.config and then
run make config, make menuconfig, or make xconfig.  You should have the base
kernel config for the RH distro.  From here follow the kernel howtos.  One
thing to be aware of is after you complete the make config command you
should also edit /usr/src/linux-2.4.9-31/Makefile and alter the line
EXTRAVERSION = -31custom to something like EXTRAVERSION = -21mykernel. This
helps in identification of multiple kernels.  You should search for rh
specific kernel howtos for more information.

-Original Message-
From: Caleb Chaplin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 5:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: newbie kernel help


Kind of an embarrasing question here.  I'm trying to modify/optimize the
stock kernel that shipped with redhat; I've used up2date to get the
kernel to 2.4.9-31 (i think that's the latest) but i'd like to make some
small changes - and generally learn more about some of the kernel
options. 

However after digging around and looking at various kernel howtos I'm
stuck early on; each one mentions that I should begin with the source in
/usr/src/linux (or wherever) but that folder is empty on my machine -
I've got nothing in /usr/src.  I'm assuming that the kernel headers and
stuff are elsewhere but I have no idea where they would be.

All I want to do is try loading some different modules (for my cable
modem) but I can't even find the directory where I should begin.  And
even so, is it safe for me to just run 'make xconfig' in that directory
or will it leave me with a "blank slate" afterwhich I'll have to choose
all the correct options? 

And one last question: I know I'm supposed to copy over the System.map
afterwards but what about the initrd.img and module-info files; where do
I copy those from?

Sheesh, so many questions at once!  I'd really appreciate any help I
could get.



Caleb Chaplin





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RE: Print Driver & Ghostscript question

2002-03-11 Thread Paul Hamm

Personally I don't like color printers of the inkjet type.  Don't like
inkjets at all actually.  You will spend far more on consumables than on the
printer itself so I would recommned getting a laser printer.  It will cost
you more but will save money in the long run as ink is just to expensive.
For the few things that you need color for take it to work or kinkos.  So
the best way to deal with the 940c issues is not to buy one.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 9:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Print Driver & Ghostscript question


I have finally decided to replace my 1987 dot matrix printer with
something a little more modern. After some looking, it appears that the
HP940c would probably represent a decent tradeoff 'tween budget and
needs/wants.  But before I rush out and buy any printer, I want to know
it's gonna work on my system -- Redhat 6.0 with a 2.2.16 kernel.

I downloaded, configured and compiled the driver, hpijs-1.0.3
successfully.
I downloaded ghostscript 6.53 and configured and compiled it
successfully after also downloading the jpeg source. Neither package has
been installed (make install) yet.

I guess that what I'd like to know are 1) Any bad reports on the HP940c?
and 2) Am I in for any nasty surprises if I install ghostscript 6.53 on
top of 5.10-7 that came with RH 6.0?






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RE: MSN, IPTABLES and NAT

2002-03-11 Thread Paul Hamm

ipchains is currently to only solution.  If you plan on using netmeeting you
will have to use rh6.2 or rh7.0 or some other 2.2 distro.  You will also
need the h323 ipfwd module made by an italian group.  It does work though
creating an external connection is a bit sticky.  You can recieve calls and
there is a script available which should allow you to properly forward
netmeeting requests.  I have had netmeeting working though failed to get the
outgoing connection bits running.  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 12:22 PM
To: Redhat listi
Cc: Ragnar Wiencke
Subject: Re: MSN, IPTABLES and NAT


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>channel on one, and only one, port.  Until that happens, NetMeeting and
>secure networks are at different poles.

Sort of.  There is support for H-323 over NAT in iptables, though its
(last I checked)  experimental, and not available by default.

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RE: Help with internet connection

2002-03-11 Thread Paul Hamm



Check 
your routing to be sure you are using the dialup network connection as the 
default route for access beyond your local lan.  I have had problems with 
this myself the solution was to be sure that the local lan NIC started after the 
in my case DSL ppp0 connection.  To verify run route at the command line 
the output should look something like this
 
[root@charon root]# routeKernel IP routing 
tableDestination 
Gateway 
Genmask Flags Metric 
Ref    Use Iface10.9.32.1   
*   
255.255.255.255 UH    0  
0    0 ppp0192.168.101.0   
*   
255.255.255.0   U 
0  0    0 
eth1127.0.0.0   
*   
255.0.0.0   U 
0  0    0 
lodefault 
10.9.32.1   
0.0.0.0 UG    
0  0    0 
ppp0
 
The default gateway should be provided by yout ISP.  If the default 
gateway is pointed at say eth1 you will have a problem connecting 
outside your local lan.  To further test try pinging know ip 
addresses.  When testing with ping you should start with the local 
connections and work your way out.
I find that ISP gateways and dns servers are great as you must be able to 
see them to do anything else.
 
 
 
 

   -Original 
  Message-From: BG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
  Saturday, March 09, 2002 6:40 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Help with internet 
  connection
  Hi,
   
  Please help this 
  newbie get an internet connection established.  I am using RH 7.2.  
  I have setup the modem and it dials and logs on and appears to be 
  working.  I think I have entered in the provider info and DNS ip's 
  correctly, but when I start Netscape it can't resolve any addresses.  A 
  step by step checklist with any and all info would be greatly 
  appreciated.  BTW... I tried using the internet connection "wizard" and 
  that did a whole bunch of nothing.
   
  Kind 
  regards,
  Bill


RE: Upgrade using 7.1 disks in text mode, ERROR, no drives found problem

2002-03-11 Thread Paul Hamm

Most likely you need the correct scsi driver for your raid controller.  You
will need to do an expert install for this.  Identify the raid controller
then hit the web and get the driver for the card.  Enter expert install and
when it asks if you have a device driver say yes and give it the disk with
the driver when asked.  If there is no driver you may still be able to
install as there are devices on the cd which you can select.  There are a
number of scsi drivers.

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Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 12:14 PM
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Subject: Upgrade using 7.1 disks in text mode, ERROR, no drives found
problem


I'm trying to upgrade from the 7.1 CD disks. When I run the upgrade program
I get: "No Drives found, An error has occurred - no valid devices were found
on which to create new filesystems. Please chech your hardware for the cause
of this problem."

I have a raid 5 setup, could this be the problem? Should I be entering some
type of command in text mode before running the installer?

Mike



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RE: confuse with errata to rpm nicely

2002-03-08 Thread Paul Hamm

2512588Kb(Pensacola 4 disks) x3,4,6,12 times a year still seems like that
little bitty 46900Kb is a bargan to me.  About all you really save is that
468000Kb gets a bit smaller.

Oh and I am no expert on how to make a custom distro the first time I looked
into it was in Late January.  If you can mount an iso, rm, mv, edit 1 file
"comps" and run the command "># genhdlist --withnumbers /location/of/disc1
/location/of/disc2" you can make a custom distro that works great.  You will
need to use 700mb discs though as the patches boost the size of the iso
files.  If you don't want to burn the additional cds just copy the contents
of the RPMS directory from disc2 to disc1.  Share that directory.  Then you
can use the  boot floppy or original 7.2 boot CD and do a network install
from http, nfs, or ftp.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: confuse with errata to rpm nicely


On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:53:28PM -0500, Paul Hamm wrote:
>  Like I said grab the iso files grab all the patches and roll your
> own. 

That's fine for those of us with lots of bandwidth and expert knowledge.
For
those that have poor or expensive bandwidth, they're paying a very hefty
premium.  Some parts of the world pay by the amount of traffic and even some
US ISPs are looking at or already are capping the traffic downloads.

I'm happy with my own bandwidth and the price I pay - I'm fighting this
issue
for the little guys!

For the record, the current size of the 7.2 errata in the i386 directory is
469,012,837 bytes.  At 5kBps (for a 56kbps modem), this would amount to 26 
HOURS of transfer time.

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RE: confuse with errata to rpm nicely

2002-03-08 Thread Paul Hamm

Ed you would have even more of those iso downloads not less.  How many time
should they update the iso every year? 3,4,6,12 how many people that already
have 7.2 or going to grab 7.2- how many would download every
single one?  Whenever RH releases a new batch of isos all the mirrors and
rhn tank for a week or 2.  Thats what you could expect what 12 times a year
maybe?  Like I said grab the iso files grab all the patches and roll your
own.  I did and have a nice batch of bootable cds patched to 2002-02-14.  I
even called it rh7.2.1 ;-)  Was a pain as I did the whole thing manually but
a few perl scripts and it could be automated except the disc swap.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 12:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: confuse with errata to rpm nicely


On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 10:08:58AM -0500, Paul Hamm wrote:
> Err Ed how is downloading 4 iso images on a regular basis for people with
> slow connections going to help them out?  rsync running on cron will
> download all the updates available in the middle of the night that you
have
> not already got.  And replacing the old packages with the new ones in an
iso
> image is not that difficult after that first batch of patches.

What I suggested is for Red Hat to release (say) 7.2-1.  This will have 7.2
plus the current errata and make that available in a single iso set.  Then
people who want to install tomorrow would download the 7.2-1 isos instead of
7.2 isos and hundreds of megs of errata.  My suggestion would not help
people
that are already running 7.2.  My suggestion would *NOT* replace errata but
simply provide a more convenient mechanism for new installers.

7.2-1 would report itself to the system as 7.2 and would look identical to a
7.2 system that had been upgraded using current errata.  The only reason
they'd
number them 7.2-1 would be to differentiate how current the errata are.  
Perhaps they'd just call the iso 7.2-2002.03 or something weird like that.

I strongly suspect that if you ask Red Hat or any of their mirrors how often
the 7.2 isos are being downloaded that you'll find that they're regularly
accessed.  My suggestion would reduce download time for the clients and
reduce
the load on the servers, especially Red Hat's rhn servers.

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RE: Hour in Kmail

2002-03-08 Thread Paul Hamm

Make sure you are using the correct time on your linux machine as well as
the correct time zone.  Most likely the time zone is not configured
properly.  If your time is good then the exchange server is most likely the
problem.

-Original Message-
From: Jorge Gossain Filho [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:25 AM
To: RedHat
Subject: Hour in Kmail




Hello everbody.

I have a server that is running (MS exchange) and in my station I have linux
box  I use kmail to receive my mail's from them, it works fine, but the
hour
is always wrong. What can I check to resolve this?

Thanks,

Jorge Gossain Filho
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RE: confuse with errata to rpm nicely

2002-03-08 Thread Paul Hamm

Err Ed how is downloading 4 iso images on a regular basis for people with
slow connections going to help them out?  rsync running on cron will
download all the updates available in the middle of the night that you have
not already got.  And replacing the old packages with the new ones in an iso
image is not that difficult after that first batch of patches.

Ism
As Ed stated most of the Redhat patches are to close security holes and fix
known bugs.  The only ones you really need to install are the ones that can
be abused for security but if you are not using say wu-ftp then you really
don't need to patch it as no matter how many holes it has you can not be
effected by them if you are not using the offending package.  If you plan on
installing lots of linux machines or maybe just install the same machine
several times I would recommend that you creating a custom distibution which
contains all the errata to date.  It makes the install much faster.  Check
through the forums for custom distro and genhdlist if you are interested.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: confuse with errata to rpm nicely


On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 06:12:40PM +0100, Ismael Touama wrote:
> I am really disturbing with my linux learning, I read all the day severals
> doc to understand in order to do the things kind properly.
> According to the vulnerability in Netfilter, I say to me cool my first
> update
> (or upgrade - don't know-) with rpm command line. But I read in /errata
> (CAN-2002-0060)
> that I needed to be up to date with these rpm to apply this one. What the
> hell !!

> PS:this what disturbed me
> "...Before applying this update, make sure all previously released errata
> relevant to your system have been applied..."

All the Red Hat errata say that.  Sometimes they mean it and sometimes they
don't.  What you have to realize is that almost all of errata fix security
or
major bugs, so you really should apply them and keep yourself up to date.
Rarely do errata offer new features or upgrades to specific packages -
that's
why, for example, Red Hat patched php3 for Red Hat Linux 6.2 rather than go 
straight to php4.  You get much better compatibility this way.

So, the bottom line is that you try to patch just netfilter and see if you
get
any dependency failures, and if not, you're done.  If you do get a
dependency
failure, then apply the dependencies as Red Hat suggested.  You should,
however, at your earliest convenience, apply all the errata.  This is no 
different than any other major computer OS vendor.

What Red Hat really needs to produce is 7.2-1 which has all the errata in it
up to a certain date and let people download the iso and do upgrades that
way.
Especially for new installations in areas with poor network connectivity,
this
would save many hours or even days of work.  You know, almost like service
pak 1...

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RE: CDRom drive

2002-03-07 Thread Paul Hamm

I know of no currently avaialable internal cdrom drives that will give you a
problem with linux, IDE or SCSI.

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Subject: CDRom drive


What is a good CDRom that will work with Linux and won't giv eme any driver
issues.  



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RE: Slow POP3 / SMTP / FTP connection from internal windoze machines to linux firewall (gateway)

2002-03-07 Thread Paul Hamm

Yah zone files for your internal static ips.  A slave dns server as a backup
for the box you are working on.  And most likely a change to your dhcp
server to tell all those Windows boxes where to get there DNS.

-Original Message-
From: Greg Caskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Slow POP3 / SMTP / FTP connection from internal windoze
machines to linux firewall (gateway)


Hi...

Thanks for your reply.  My questions on this are as follows:

1. The 2nd NIC's IP address is 10.0.0.1 for the internal machines.  Would my
named.conf look like this:

options {
directory "/var/named";
};
;
zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa"{
type master;
file "named.local";
};
zone "." {
type hint;
file "";
};

Or should it be for 10.0.0.1 instead of 127.0.0.1?

2. The /etc/resolv.conf file should be as follows with my server as the
caching server?
search mydomain.com
nameserver 10.0.0.1
nameserver ISP backup 1 IP
nameserver ISP backup 2 IP

Is there anything else I need to setup?

Greg

- Original Message -
From: "Emmanuel Seyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Slow POP3 / SMTP / FTP connection from internal windoze
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> On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 09:13:43AM -0700, Greg Caskey wrote:
> >
> > My question then is how do I change this.
> > I have added the line to the /etc/hosts file: (which made netstat -r
fast)
> > 10.0.0.1 fqdn alias
>
> I believe you'll need to run a cacheing nameserver on the machine (there's
> a rpm on the CD) and use that as your primary DNS (keeping your ISP's
> two DNS servers as backup.
>
> That way, all your machines will know about your internal network.
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
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RE: C++ on RedHat 7.2

2002-03-06 Thread Paul Hamm

How about "# emacs cc-mode".  Or xemacs if you prefer.

-Original Message-
From: David Winters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: C++ on RedHat 7.2


On 4 Mar 2002, Carey F. Cox wrote:

>On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 19:33, Graeme Jensen wrote:
>> I'm studying C++ at the moment using Code Warrior on windows, but would
like
>> to do it using the development software in red hat 7.2.  Have tried a few
>> times but can't seem to configure it to work properly.  Do I have to
install
>> the libraries for C++ or make them myself?  As I'm only a beginner with
C++
>> I can't do that.  What can I do??
>> Graeme
>> 
>
>Assuming that you opted for the installation of development tools, C++
>should be ready for use. Try the following on the command line...
>
>$ g++
>g++: No input files   -This should be the response.
>
>Now there are several choices for C/C++ integrated environments to
>choose from. 
>
>   SourceNavigator
>   Kdevelop
>   Vide
>   RHIDE
>   Anjuta

On the buyware front, if you're really happy with CodeWarrior, Metrowerks 
offers it for Linux.  I don't know if it's exactly like the Win32 versions; 
YMMV.

I haven't used it myself, but I haven't heard complaints from the students 
that have installed it, either.  IIRC it's designed to use RPM to install.


D.

>I have personally used rhide and vide with good results. These will both
>run under windows as well as linux and as such are the obvious choice
>for use in our courses here. Of the two, I prefer vide, though neither
>should probably be used for any massive coding project undertakings. I
>have tried Source Navigator, but wasn't very successful with it.
>...steep learning curve and little documentation. I haven't tried anjuta
>yet, but it appears to have a very nice interface. I know nothing at all
>about kdevelop. 
>
>Try using google to search for those keywords or go perform a search on 
>http://www.freshmeat.net
>
>Hope that helps!
>
>Carey   
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RE: how to set evn path

2002-03-06 Thread Paul Hamm

/etc/profile.d/ is where you can configure global environment settings.
just add the items  you want into a file like .sh
.csh make sure they are chmod 755 and when your users login they
get the specifics.  BTW only use root to configure your system use a
standard user for general use.  Using root is a bad habit.  Don't fall into
this habit as it will bite you in the butt.  Setup /etc/sudoers they say to
use visudo but I find pico works just fine for editing this file.

-Original Message-
From: Jianping Zhu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:25 PM
To: Arthur H. Johnson II
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: how to set evn path


It works, Thank you very much.
One additional qustion is that:  I am also root user, can I set the env in
some way (do some thing to the .bash_prifile in root directory i guess)so
every ordinay user can use java compiler form her home directory.

Thanks

On 6 Mar 2002, Arthur H.  Johnson II wrote:

> You line:
> 
> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin /usr/java/bin
> 
> Should read:
> 
> export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/usr/java/bin
> 
> On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 14:04, Jianping Zhu wrote:
> > I have java install in usr/java directory, (javac and java in
> > /usr/java/bin) how can modify .bash_profile in /home/jzhu so I can use
> > javac and java in /home/jzhu?
> > 
> > in fact I add this line in the .bash_profile
> > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin /usr/java/bin
> > 
> > but it does not work.
> > 
> > Any advice appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jianping Zhu
> > Department of Computer Science
> > Univerity of Georgia 
> > Athens, GA 30602
> > Tel 706 5423900
> > 
> > 
> > 
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RE: [REDHAT] Cannot boot from the RH 7.2 CD

2002-03-06 Thread Paul Hamm

Try checking your bios to be sure it boots from cdrom before the hard drive.

-Original Message-
From: Benny Pedersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:37 AM
To: redhat-list
Subject: Re: [REDHAT] Cannot boot from the RH 7.2 CD


--- Reply to a message ---
By: Phil G 
->: a Mail 
:>: Re: [REDHAT] Cannot boot from the RH 7.2 CD

> This is the problem but your solution is not working for me. On my
> first computer I unplugged all hdds leaving only my cdrom in, my
> system booted with the cd but strangely when ever I plugged in any
> hdd it would stop booting from the cd. I have tried all different
> master/slave/cableselect combinations but it just wont do it.

then you have a problem with your drive, try to make the drive it self
work on another computer, wipe it totaly out so there is no /mbr (fdisk)
info on it, then again try it where you left.

> Do you have any links to pages with more info? any other
> suggestions??

no

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RE: Backup recommendations

2002-03-06 Thread Paul Hamm

Amanda is excellent.  You could use a vpn between the 2 machines which would
give you the ability to mount nfs shares and would only require a single
open port on the server to do so.  Check out CIPE.  If you have the space
you could just copy all the files to the machine with the tape drive on it.
Have cron start and stop the tunnel and services when you are backing up the
machine.

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Bearer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Backup recommendations


By default the data transfer isn't encrypted, but you can run it through
gpg.  

http://security.uchicago.edu/tools/gpg-amanda/

Amanda is a wonderful program, and highly recommend it. And I recommend
"Unix Backup & Recovery" from O'reilly,  Every admin who maintains unix
backups should read it.  

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/unixbr/

One thing to keep in mind is the version of dump that is current for
redhat 7.2, 0.4b22 has problems with the 2.4 kernel, and will fail on
some filesystems, while others work fine. The rawhide dump 0.4b25 has
fixed the problem for me. 




On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 09:59, Trevor Hamm wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 08:35, Jeff Graves wrote:
> > I have 2 linux servers I would like to back up to a DLT tape library.
> > There's a total of about 15GB of data across the 2 servers (mail and
> > ftp). Each system runs only the daemons it absolutely needs in order to
> > function. (ie. the only remote access to the ftp server is via ftp and
> > ssh, no other daemons are listening on any ports tcp or udp, mail server
> > has a few more). What SECURE method can I use to back up data on both of
> > these servers without having to physically attach drives to each system?
> > Also, can someone recommend good backup software (maybe a linux
> > equivalent of backup exec)?
> > 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> You might want to check out Amanda (http://www.amanda.org; don't worry,
> that's not a person, it's the Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk
> Archiver :-) It's included in the Redhat 7.2 distribution.
> 
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RE: vmware and streamlining windows

2002-03-06 Thread Paul Hamm

98lite strips out M$ bloat ware.  You use it to install windows.  But are
you talking about vmware tools?  Should be installed with vmware.  Run
settings/VMware tools Install.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:41 AM
To: Red Hat List
Subject: vmware and streamlining windows


I know this is ot but can someone remind me of a program that loads on
windows session (running under vmware) in which is makes windows run faster.
Somehow the program deletes all the windows cruft (active pages, etc.) and
the result is a mean leaner window that will run faster from within vmware.
I also remember a lot of laptop users use the even without running under
vmware.

Thanks,
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RE: Keyboard and mouse die

2002-03-06 Thread Paul Hamm

Also look at updating the bios to the latest rev.  READ THIS if you have
never upgraded a flash bios before read all the documents before you start
the process.  Flashing a bios improperly is the best way I know to turn a
laptop into a brick.  Ed is most likely correct APM can cause the
unexplained random lockups.  Remeber that even when you are using a system
if you are not accessing devices the system will/can turn them off.  

-Original Message-
From: Edward Dekkers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Keyboard and mouse die


Re: Keyboard and mouse die
As for the keyboard and mouse dying, it will just be at completely random
times. Sometimes in mozilla, sometimes when I've got the terminal open..I'm
really confused with it :( Could the screensaver be indirectly affecting it
somehow?

Talk to you soon, thanks :)



To trace this down, do you want to do me a favour and turn off ALL the power
saving crap in the BIOS?

I have a sneaky feeling this may help.

Regards,
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RE: Video card

2002-03-06 Thread Paul Hamm

Explain "neither work"?  You get no video at all or Xwindows is not working?
I can't say as I have had any video related issues since i810 and rh 6.2
which was only a problem with configuring X.  If you are getting post/bios
information on screen when you boot try starting linux in run level 3 and
using Xconfigurator.  I always configure systems to start in run level 3 and
just startx at a bash prompt.

-Original Message-
From: ebinc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Video card


Does anyone know a Video card I can find at a best buy,CompUSA, staples etc
that will work right out of the box does my motherboard have anything to do
with it
I have a ASUS TUSL-2 I tried a ATI Radeon card a ATI Expert 128 card neither
work
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RE: rh 8 beta 233 mmx install..

2002-03-05 Thread Paul Hamm



There 
is a reason that they call them beta.  If you don't like it reinstall 
7.2

  -Original Message-From: Jim Bija 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:18 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: rh 8 beta 233 mmx 
  install..
  i have tried to install rhl 8.0 beta on a 233mmx. 
  so did my friend. both came up with errors.
  i reported my bug to
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60526
   
  with no response... please help..
   
  jim
   


RE: Graphical Change Password utility

2002-03-04 Thread Paul Hamm

Are you using local passwd files or NIS?  If you are using NIS I would
expect that kdepasswd is not configured to deal with yppasswd.

-Original Message-
From: Janyne Kizer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Graphical Change Password utility


I am using KDE and RH 7.2.  I have always changed passwords from the
prompt, but I have had some of the people using our beta servers report
that the graphical Change Password utility doesn't work.  I have been
able to confirm this and I was wondering if there is a workaround for
this or if we need to have our users change their passwords from the
prompt?

This is what happens:
Start the program (K -> Utilities -> Change Password)
Prompts you for your current password
The error "Conversion with 'passwd' failed" appears
Click OK
Prompts you to enter you new password twice
The error "Conversion with 'passwd' failed" appears
Click OK
A window saying "Your password has been changed." is displayed.  It lies
though.  It really wasn't changed.

thanks!
-- 

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CNE-3, CNE-4, CNE-5
Systems Programmer Administrator I
NC State University, College of Agriculture & Life Sciences
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RE: Booting from external FireWire drive

2002-03-04 Thread Paul Hamm

Have never worked with firewire.  But as it works in a similar fashion to
scsi I suspect you will be able to get this to work.  There are several
issue which you will need to deal with.  Booting directly from the firewire
drive will most likely not be possible.  The reason is that IDE likes to go
first.  So unless the bios has an option to boot from the firewire port I
expect you will need to "# grub-install /dev/hda" to get the boot loader
rolling.  The other issue is that you will need to be sure that the initrd
includes the firewire modules.  Again I am not sure but are the drivers for
this port in the release?  Can you get the drivers for linux?  If the
drivers are not in the release but you can get them on disk for linux you
will need to do an expert install of RH and feed the driver disk when asked.
What exactly is the problem you are currently having?.

-Original Message-
From: Todd A. Jacobs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:26 AM
To: RedHat List
Subject: Booting from external FireWire drive


Has anyone had any experience with getting Linux to boot from an external 
FireWire drive--especially through a Vaio Z505-JS i.Link port? I've 
searched extensively via Google, and haven't turned up a single reference 
to someone doing this successfully.

Any feedback or useful links would be very much appreciated.

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RE: a question for using rpm

2002-03-01 Thread Paul Hamm

Alternatively you could use "# rpm -Uvh --force " which should
force the package to reinstall.

-Original Message-
From: Song Xing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: a question for using rpm


Hi, there,

I tried to install IBMJava2 by using rpm under Redhat 6.2. But I deleted
the directory where IBMJava2 was installed occasionally. I tried to
uninstall it or reinstall/upgrade it, but I failed. 

When I used rpm -U to upgrade it, it said
package IBMJava2-SDK-1.3-13.0.i386 is already installed  
 
Then I tried to remove it by using rpm -e, it gave me that 
package IBMJava2-SDK-1.3-13.0.i386.rpm is not installed 

Can anyone give me a help?

Thanks a lot.

-- Song




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RE: a question for using rpm

2002-03-01 Thread Paul Hamm

try "# rpm --rebuilddb" and then see if you can remove the package.

-Original Message-
From: Song Xing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: a question for using rpm


Hi, there,

I tried to install IBMJava2 by using rpm under Redhat 6.2. But I deleted
the directory where IBMJava2 was installed occasionally. I tried to
uninstall it or reinstall/upgrade it, but I failed. 

When I used rpm -U to upgrade it, it said
package IBMJava2-SDK-1.3-13.0.i386 is already installed  
 
Then I tried to remove it by using rpm -e, it gave me that 
package IBMJava2-SDK-1.3-13.0.i386.rpm is not installed 

Can anyone give me a help?

Thanks a lot.

-- Song




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RE: ifconfig problem and rh 72

2002-03-01 Thread Paul Hamm

rh7.2 uses this nifty new network profile thingy that seems to be biting
people in the butt.  They have moved things around a bit.  I am not sure why
you are seeing this problem but I bet it has something to do with it.  "#
neat &" is the new gui tool and it does some links for ifcfg-* in the
/etc/sysconf/networking/ directory now.

-Original Message-
From: Thierry ITTY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ifconfig problem and rh 72


hello list

i have a machine, with a basicly out-of-the-box rh72 system, running some
server stuff like samba or squid

for some reason, i sometimes have to change its ip address. usually, with
former releases or versions of rh, i just modify
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 changing ip address, network,
broadcast and mask to fit my needs, then a /etc/rc.d/init.d/network
restart, et voila...

with rh 72 (even tried with last kernel package) this doesn't work. what
happens is that the NIC keeps the same old address. but if i reboot instead
of just restarting the network, then the new address is taken. thought of a
problem of some active connections or servers but it's not that. 

i investigated further and found that the new address i want to set up gets
still valid even if it doesn't appear with ifconfig. let's explain that :

i boot the server :
ifconfig eth0 shows address 192.168.1.1
netstat -nr shows 192.168.1.0 through eth0
network services run fine

then i do :
ifconfig eth0 down
ifconfig eth0 172.16.1.1 up
ifconfig eth0 still shows address 192.168.1.1
netstat -nr still shows 192.168.1.0 through eth0
but also show 172.16.0.0 through eth0

what's strange now is that i can ping both 192.168.1.1 (which is the old
address i wanted to remove but still appears) and 172.16.1.1 (which is the
new address i want but doesn't appear)

arp -a shows nothing (meaning that both addresses are local)

i reboot the server
i do a route del -net 192.168.1.0/24
then ifconfig eth0 down
then ifconfig eth0 172.16.1.1 up
now everything is right, ifconfig shows the right ip address and netstat
-nr the right route

i think this looks like a bug ?

btw i have the problem with several machines and yes, i checked for
duplicates and all, and yes it's easily reproductible

tia,



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RE: permissions and security

2002-03-01 Thread Paul Hamm

Nick
take a look at "# man ssh-keygen" which will allow you to configure
passwordless ssh scp session.  Why is "# scp -r
user@REMOTE_SERVER:/DIRECTORY/WITH/STUFF/* /DIRECTORY/FOR/STUFF/" a problem?

-Original Message-
From: Nick Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: permissions and security


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> terms of security... or anything else for that matter.
> 
> Think of "root" as "the big hammer".  Its use should be reserved for
> situations where no other solution is feasible.

Yes, I see your point, although when I mentioned being root I just meant
that I was the only one who had physical access to the machine.

My problem is that ssh and scp seem so cumbersome. Is there a ssh
equivalent to ncftp I might try?

Thanks for your help Ed and Gordon
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RE: Ethernet help

2002-03-01 Thread Paul Hamm

Ed I don't think covad would appreciate you telling there customers to use a
class A subnetmask.  They tend to break those things down a bit before they
give them out ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ethernet help


> It was suggested that I try changing netmask to 255.255.255.0. Nothing
> changed.
>
> DEVICE=eth0
> ONBOOT=yes
> BOOTPROTO=static
> IPADDR= 66.134.88.36
> NETMASK=255.255.255.0
> GATEWAY= 66.134.88.33

It's unlikely that this address will require a netmask of 255.255.255.0 -
that netmask is typically for a Class C address (192.x.x.x - 254.x.x.x.) .
You've got a class A address (1.x.x.x. - 128.x.x.x).  You should probably
use a netmask of 255.0.0.0 *unless* your network administrators have changed
the netmask for your subnet.  The only real way to know is to ask them.
Alternatively, if you have to guess, try setting yourself up as a dhcp
client and see what address and netmask you get back.


Ed Wilts
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RE: spontaneous lag (x3)

2002-02-28 Thread Paul Hamm

DNS uses name to IP and IP to name resolution files.  I have seen slow login
problems when the IP to name (reverse lookup) file is messed up.  Also when
a machine is using a bad/broken dns server in the /etc/resolv.conf file or
bad /etc/hosts file.  

Check here http://www.visi.com/~barr/dnswalk/

-Original Message-
From: gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: spontaneous lag (x3)


maybe i should mention that i'm still new at all this, and while i maybe
have configured named and have it running, i don't know if i did it
right.  i only know that it seems to be doing it's job.  so when asked
"the check my dns" i'm not sure where to start.  are you talking about
looking at how proftpd uses dns? or named itself?  and if either of
these are at fault, why does the machine work most of the time and not
of these few days?

and from what i understand, the probability of a hack on these machines
is very unlikely since they're both behind a router that has no open
ports (as we're running no services to the world through that router).

i'm fresh outta things to check, but think this is due the fact that i'm
not sure where i should be checking




On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 11:17, Paul Hamm wrote:
> Sounds like you have a resolver issue.  Check your DNS specificaly the
> reverse lookup.  Or you may have been hacked ;-)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: spontaneous lag (x3)
> 
> 
> the oddest thing has been happening to the machines here in my office
> for the past few months. most of the time, telnetd/sshd/ftpd all seem to
> be working fine, but on three separate days in the last two months, an
> odd lag has manifested itself during the login.  ie. it takes nearly a
> full minute to telnet into a local rh6.2 machine. and about the same
> time to ftp between either machines.  apache however, which both are
> running seems to be working fine.  as is named.
> 
> now i've emailed this list before with this question, but the problem
> disappeared about 24hours after it started so i gave up on the thread. 
> but now it's been recurring: the second time ocurring about a month
> after the first, and this time, today, about 2weeks after the second
> time.
> 
> to rule out the previous suggestions, i can assure you all that i
> haven't been playing with the firewall, because i haven't installed one.
> (we're behind a firewall on a local network running private ips).  the
> proftpd, telnetd, and sshd haven't changed since i installed them, so
> i'm looking for suggestions as to what exactly is going on...
> the dates this has happened in the past are below:
> 
> start   stop
> 2002.01.16  2002.01.17
> 2002.02.19  2002.02.20
> 2002.02.28.??.??
> 
> and here's a list of the specs on the two machines:
> 
> sparc64
> rh6.2
> inetd
> telnetd
> proftpd 1.2.4
> apache 1.3.20
> 
> pentiumI
> rh7.2
> xinetd
> sshd
> proftpd 1.2.4
> apache 1.3.23
> 
> 
> thanks so much to anyone out there who knows what's going on here.
> 
> 
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RE: spontaneous lag (x3)

2002-02-28 Thread Paul Hamm

Sounds like you have a resolver issue.  Check your DNS specificaly the
reverse lookup.  Or you may have been hacked ;-)

-Original Message-
From: gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: spontaneous lag (x3)


the oddest thing has been happening to the machines here in my office
for the past few months. most of the time, telnetd/sshd/ftpd all seem to
be working fine, but on three separate days in the last two months, an
odd lag has manifested itself during the login.  ie. it takes nearly a
full minute to telnet into a local rh6.2 machine. and about the same
time to ftp between either machines.  apache however, which both are
running seems to be working fine.  as is named.

now i've emailed this list before with this question, but the problem
disappeared about 24hours after it started so i gave up on the thread. 
but now it's been recurring: the second time ocurring about a month
after the first, and this time, today, about 2weeks after the second
time.

to rule out the previous suggestions, i can assure you all that i
haven't been playing with the firewall, because i haven't installed one.
(we're behind a firewall on a local network running private ips).  the
proftpd, telnetd, and sshd haven't changed since i installed them, so
i'm looking for suggestions as to what exactly is going on...
the dates this has happened in the past are below:

start   stop
2002.01.16  2002.01.17
2002.02.19  2002.02.20
2002.02.28  .??.??

and here's a list of the specs on the two machines:

sparc64
rh6.2
inetd
telnetd
proftpd 1.2.4
apache 1.3.20

pentiumI
rh7.2
xinetd
sshd
proftpd 1.2.4
apache 1.3.23


thanks so much to anyone out there who knows what's going on here.



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RE: file permissions

2002-02-28 Thread Paul Hamm



Read 
the man pages for
chown
chmod

  -Original Message-From: Michael S. Dunsavage 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:23 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: file 
  permissions
  How could I set it up so I can exclude certain 
  users/groups access to directories or files
   
  I don't want certain users to be able to read 
  directories.
  --Michael S. 
Dunsavage


RE: permissions and security

2002-02-28 Thread Paul Hamm

Better ways to do this.  One is to create identical users on both machines
with the same password and then run your scripts with that ID, I did this
myself for downloads from a partner.  Better still use ssh with RSA
authentication between the machines, all traffic is encrypted.

Oh and please tell me you are not running the local machine as root <
Very bad thing to do.  Use sudo instead much better idea.

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text files on my machine.

Okay, I can see that, I'm the root user though and I'd like to have a
little script to connect via ncftp to my remote server. (complete with
password)

If I gave the file 600 perms would that be a risk?
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RE: Ethernet help

2002-02-28 Thread Paul Hamm

We will need a bit more information please.  RH version, what is the output
of "# ifconfig" what are the contents of /etc/modules.conf, oh below I see
DEVICE=eth0 I expect that ifcfg-eth1 is DEVICE=eth1, and what type of NIC
are you using?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethernet help


Is there any software out there that I can use to test to see whether or not
my ethernet card is actually working? I have a two port card. Both lights
work on the card but I can't get either port to work. Both are configured as
follows:
DEVICE=eth0
ONBOOT=yes
BOOTPROTO=static
IPADDR=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
NETMASK=255.255.255.248
GATEWAY= xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

I have stopped and restarted the machine. Both eth0 and eth1 start up as
"OK" on startup. Can't ping in, can't ping out.
What am I missing?

Linda



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RE: can't boot upgrade from 6.0 to 7.2

2002-02-28 Thread Paul Hamm

Don't let them get to you had a problem upgrading a 7.1 machine to 7.2.  I
ended up installing 7.2 on a different array.  Currently I am trying to
figure out what went wrong.  I am thinking it may be a simple as lack of
space on the original /boot partition as I could not get the kernel to
properly install after repeated attempts.


-Original Message-
From: doug piper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: can't boot upgrade from 6.0 to 7.2


At this time, I have created several boot disks. The first disk was created
during the
install, or rather, ugrade, from the RH CD. After that, I used linux rescue
from the RH CD
and did mkbootdisk and created disks identical to the first disk. All of
them hung as I
described in my original email. In each case, the disk created was in vfat.
All of the disks which I used to boot 6.0 (and continue to use on another
machine) were
formatted to ext2.
Remember, I have 2 separate hds and am trying to boot to hdb. Following the
instruction and
notes in the 7.2 CD, I installed Grub on hdb rather than hda.
Your answers question why I waited so long to upgrade. The answer is that I
believe that
one should thoroughly master a basic tool before changing tools. A computer
is a tool and
an OS is is merely one flavor. In my last profession, I was a master
carpenter, cabinet
maker and general contractor - 20 years.  I have also been a professional
photographer ,
graphic artist, French and English teacher - not all at the same time. I
just bought a new
car - a 1988 Subaru but have kept my 1973 Jimmy. My vehicle before that was
a 1972 Ford
F250 which I drove for 400,000 miles. Oh, I forgot my other car which is a
1960 Triumph
TR3. Anyway, I digress

I appreciate all of the advice which you have given me.

Thanks again,
Doug


Charles Galpin wrote:

> On Wed, 2002-02-27 at 12:06, doug piper wrote:
> > Thanks to all of you! I think that a new install is the right thing to
do although I
> > don't believe that there is anything wrong with the upgrade except that
I can't boot
> > into it.
> > I do still have one question. Where do I put GRUB? I followed
instructions and put it
> > into MBR of hdb as per RedHat instructions should I have put it into MBR
of hda
> > instead? I believe this is the essence of my problem.
> > Today, I need to get some work done and will not have time to deal with
this until
> > tomorrow. I'll let you know how it comes out
>
> Doug, I haven't been following this thread carefully, but this sounds
> like your problem.
>
> If you made a boot floppy, boot off of it and fix your grub settings and
> run grb-install.
>
> If you didn't make a boot floppy (shame on you :) then try this - boot
> off the 7.2 install CD. Choose upgrade. Deselect all packages. MAKE A
> BOOT FLOPPY.
>
> What *should* happen is it will install little to nothing, and then
> create you aboot disk - possibly fixing your boot issue ate the same
> time (in which case you won't need the boot disk).
>
> hth
> charles
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RE: Anyone using Nortel Contivity behind an IP Tables firewall?

2002-02-28 Thread Paul Hamm

The problem has to do with how the firewall deals with the incoming packets.
The ip_masq_ipsec module tells the machine how to handle these packets.  You
will have the same problem with things like NetMeeting.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Pelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Anyone using Nortel Contivity behind an IP Tables firewall?


I've found out how to do it - I needed to load the ip_masq_ipsec module.

Part of me would think that since you're only connecting from inside to
an outside destination (with full outside access allowed - no blocking
in-to-out) that you wouldn't need that module.

Anyway it does the trick!

Thanks to all who reponded!

Cheers,
Mike



Mike Pelley "Non illegitimati carborundum"
Owner & "Misc. Rambler" of Pelleys.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.pelleys.com



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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:17 PM
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Subject: Re: Anyone using Nortel Contivity behind an IP Tables firewall?



Does your client support tunneling ipsec over udp? You need this in
order to
be able to pass through nat.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 12:58:10PM -0330, Mike Pelley wrote:
> Folks,
>
> My employer uses the Nortel Contivity VPN Client for remote access
> over DSL. I have an IP Tables firewall (using SmoothWall), but I
> cannot connect through the firewall.  I see UDP port 500 going out to
> my employer's VPN connection.  I've taken a PC and configured it to
> run directly connected to my DSL modem and I can get connected.
>
> Does anyone know what has to be done to get the Contivity client to
> work through the IP Tables firewall?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> 
> Mike Pelley "Non illegitimati carborundum"
> Owner & "Misc. Rambler" of Pelleys.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.pelleys.com
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RE: VPN fustration

2002-02-28 Thread Paul Hamm

Looks like there are some patches to the kernel for VPN
http://www.impsec.org/linux/masquerade/ip_masq_vpn.html not for the 2.4.9
kernel though.  

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hamm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:37 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: VPN fustration


Try here
http://www.rommel.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~hshoexer/ipsec-howto/HOWTO.html

-Original Message-
From: James Pifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:01 PM
To: redhat
Subject: VPN fustration



I've posted to this list three times asking about VPN, IPSec or PPTP,
for Redhat 7.2.I've been trying to get linux-pptp working without
success so far.I can't seem to find any help on it. 

I have not received one response on my other three posts trying to get
help with VPN. 

Let me keep this simple. Is ANYONE using a VPN client on Redhat 7.2? I'd
really rather not use freeswan if I have to recompile the kernel. 

Thanks.
James




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RE: VPN fustration

2002-02-27 Thread Paul Hamm

Try here
http://www.rommel.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~hshoexer/ipsec-howto/HOWTO.html

-Original Message-
From: James Pifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:01 PM
To: redhat
Subject: VPN fustration



I've posted to this list three times asking about VPN, IPSec or PPTP,
for Redhat 7.2.I've been trying to get linux-pptp working without
success so far.I can't seem to find any help on it. 

I have not received one response on my other three posts trying to get
help with VPN. 

Let me keep this simple. Is ANYONE using a VPN client on Redhat 7.2? I'd
really rather not use freeswan if I have to recompile the kernel. 

Thanks.
James




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RE: Ethernet rest interface statistics

2002-02-27 Thread Paul Hamm

Better to use something like mrtg or Big Brother with larrd.  There are just
buckets of things that will give you system performance monitoring,
including network traffic.  Most of them make pretty graphs for the boss
too.

-Original Message-
From: Linux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:26 AM
To: 'Redhat-List (E-mail)
Subject: Ethernet rest interface statistics


Hi 

I have asked this question before on the list but am still unable to resolve
this issue

I need to be able to reset the byte/frame counters for my eth1 interface
periodically.
this will enable me to record the Internet bandwidth usage on a monthly
basis.
Any ideas gratefully accepted. Hopefully a chocolate fish in the (e)mail.

Mike


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RE: CRC checks or something ?

2002-02-27 Thread Paul Hamm

Tripwire monitors files for changes, ships with 7.2.  Will do no good if you
are already hacked but helps prevent it from happening.  Also Bastille is an
interesting product for securing systems.

http://www.bastille-linux.org/

-Original Message-
From: Pieter De Wit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CRC checks or something ?
Importance: High


Hello Eveyone,

I have a strange request. I would like to know if there is a way that I can
check my systems interity. Normally hackers change your ps,netstat etc
commands. Surely there must be a way of checking them against the source
(rpm) or can't you make a MD5 hash of the system (exclude log files /var/log
dir) and run checks against it ?

Thanks,

Pieter



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RE: WWW Visitor Blocking

2002-02-26 Thread Paul Hamm

Take a look at gShield, an iptables script that is well documented with just
about evey option you could want.

-Original Message-
From: Anthony E. Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WWW Visitor Blocking


At 08:47 2/26/2002 -0800, Redhat wrote:
>How do you access ipchains/iptables from the command line?

I have not yet worked with iptables, but it can probably be invoked 
directly from the command line just like ipchains:

   ipchains --append input --protocol tcp 80 --syn --source xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 
--jump REJECT

I generally build a shell script with all the necessary commands and call 
it from within rc.local. That lets me do things like parse resolv.conf for 
nameserver IP addresses and assign the network/netmask of my subnet as a 
string variable at the top of the script:

lan='192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0'

That way whenever I need to refer to my local subnet in a firewall rule, I 
just use the variable $lan. There's at least one HOWTO out there that 
describes setting up ipchains.

Tony
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RE: WWW Visitor Blocking

2002-02-26 Thread Paul Hamm

I stand corrected ;-) use gShield and iptables to deny the appropiate ip
blocks.  As was stated this is a rather silly requirement in any event as
there are a number of ways that this can be circumvented.

-Original Message-
From: Anthony E. Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:45 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: WWW Visitor Blocking


At 11:07 2/26/2002 -0500, Paul Hamm wrote:
>Use hosts.allow and hosts.deny files in /etc.  This will allow you to
>configure access to any/all services on the machine.

Not quite. These files only affect services that are started by inetd 
(telnet, ftp), or that have the tcpwrappers libraries compiled in 
(OpenSSH). Apache is not started by inetd and does not include the 
tcpwrappers libraries.

Additionally, recent versions of Red Hat (7.x ?) use xinetd instead of 
inetd. Xinetd is controlled by /etc/sysconfig/xinetd and by the files in 
/etc/xinetd.d/.

In any case, the closest analog to this that you can do with Apache is 
actually the IP address restrictions you can add to httpd.conf or 
directory-specific .htaccess files.

Tony
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RE: using ssh

2002-02-26 Thread Paul Hamm

"# man ssh-keygen" lets you configure passwordless ssh authentication by
generating priv/pub keys.

-Original Message-
From: Phil G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: using ssh


Hello all,

I have a problem that I think ssh may solve. What i need to know is can you
use ssh in one command? What I mean is can both the username and password be
passed as parameters?

I actually want to write a php script which gets executed as root on the
first box, the script will then run commands on the second box as root.

I hope you understand :-)



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RE: WWW Visitor Blocking

2002-02-26 Thread Paul Hamm

Use hosts.allow and hosts.deny files in /etc.  This will allow you to
configure access to any/all services on the machine.  The iptables script
gShield includes this ability also though a different implimentation.

-Original Message-
From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:38 PM
To: Red Hat Mailing List
Subject: WWW Visitor Blocking



Is it possible to block access to one's website by checking the IP
address?  For whatever political reason at a company I do consulting for,
I've
been asked to deny access to their website to any visitor that doesn't
originate in the US.  Now I realize someone sitting in Australia could use
some
proxy in the US to get to someone else's site, but they're not too concerned
about that.  They just want to outright block any IP that's not a US one.
This
only for WWW access.

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RE: libc.so.5

2002-02-25 Thread Paul Hamm

Try a google search.  thousands of hits

-Original Message-
From: Peter Joslin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 2:55 PM
To: Redhat-List@Redhat. Com (E-mail)
Subject: libc.so.5


Hi all,

I am setting up a BBS program on my Red Hat machine, before it will install
it has given me a list of dependencies, one of which being " libc.so.5"

the rest I have found without a problem, but this one is a little harder, if
anyone has this file, or knows of its whereabouts I would be most grateful

Regards

Pete

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RE: [REDHAT] Cannot boot from the RH 7.2 CD

2002-02-25 Thread Paul Hamm

Can you boot from another bootable CD like an MS one on this machine and
does the RH CD boot on another machine.  If the answers are yes and yes you
may want to check how the CDROM drive jumpers are set.

There have been some strange problems installing RH7.2 from CDROM drives
configured using the Cable Select setting instead of Master/Slave.  Failed
installs mostly.  I have 4 identical machines I had problems installing 2 of
them.  I read an artical on The Register of someone with these problems and
it turned out that Cable select was the problem.

-Original Message-
From: Phil G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [REDHAT] Cannot boot from the RH 7.2 CD


>Phil, what files and directories show up on the CD when you read it in
>"normal cd roms"?

dosutils
images
RedHat
.disc1-i386
autorun
boot.cat
COPYING
README
README.de
README.es
README.fr
README.it
README.ja
README.ko
RELEASE-NOTES
RELEASE-NOTES.de
RELEASE-NOTES.es
RELEASE-NOTES.fr
RELEASE-NOTES.it
RELEASE-NOTES.ja
RELEASE-NOTES.ko
RPM-GPG-KEY
TRANS.TBL

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [REDHAT] Cannot boot from the RH 7.2 CD





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RE: deny copying files

2002-02-25 Thread Paul Hamm

Cute how is this

chattr +i sets the imutability attribute of a file.  It prevents this copy
of this file from being altered by anyone even superuser (root) until the
attribute is switched off.  The attribute can only be switched on or off by
the superuser.  The file can be copied and that copy can be modified/altered
to any extent.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:36 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: deny copying files


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Paul Hamm wrote:
>
>>it that possible to restrict file to not able be copying but still can be
>>see the contents.
>
>Woops sorry read that post wrong this prevents files from being altered.
It
>will allow copying the file.

Figure that one out, and you may be set for a lucrative career with 
the MPAA.  ;-)

- -d

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RE: Can someone teach me how to set the IP-Table on RedHat 7.2 ?

2002-02-25 Thread Paul Hamm

It sounds as though you want to access your firewall from the inside. telnet
 which is failing.  Your problem may be the DMZ, you don't
need one.  The whole idea of a DMZ is that if a machine in the DMZ is
compromized/hacked it cannot be used to access the firewall or your internal
network.  All packets which come from the DMZ are dropped if directed to the
firewall or internal network.  So if this is your home firewall and all you
have is your internal home machines you do not need a DMZ.  You really
can't/shouldn't use private IP addresses in a DMZ.

As far as accessing the services running on the firewall all you should have
to do to connect from outside, like from work to home, is to "OPEN" the
ports that you need to connect to.  For http edit the /etc/firewall/gShield.
conf file search for http and "OPEN" the port then restart gShield with the
command /etc/firewall/gShield.rc.  I recommend you open as little as
possible to the outside and to make sure that anything that is open is
configured with acls where appropriate.

Read the documentation and comments in the gShield files if this is unclear.

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can someone teach me how to set the IP-Table on RedHat 7.2 ?


Hi Paul and all,

First, I would like to say thanks for all who help me before !  Thanks again
!

Finally, I can set the IP-Table for the PPP server to use NAT function.  I
am using gShield to config it and it's very easy to use.  But I got another
problem after using it and the problem is I can't use telnet, email and
browse the PPP server (PPP server installed telent, sendmail and samba
service) using internal network (PPP server IP - 192.168.13.222 , internal
PC IP - 192.168.13.220).  Also, I was set the 192.168.13.222 as a DMZ
already !

Can someone teach me where I can config the IP-Table and make all the
internal PC can telent, browse and check email ?

Thanks and regards,
Kevin Chan




> iptables it the firewall of choice on kernel 2.4.  There is a very nice
well
> documented script to run iptables it is called gShield.  Get it from here
> http://muse.linuxmafia.org/gshield.html.  Make sure that ipchains is
turned
> off and that iptables is turned on "> chkconfig --level 345 ipchains off"
">
> chkconfig --level 345 iptables on". Then reboot you can do the rmmod
insmod
> if you like but rebooting works fine if you are not sure how.  The main
> configuration file for gShield is /etc/firewall/gShield.conf.  Start
gShield
> by running "> /etc/firewall/gShield.rc" be sure to add this to a boot
script
> so it starts automatically /etc/rc.d/rc.local will do.  Out of the tarball
> gShield will give you a nice tight firewall configuration.  Just check
that
> your internet and internal NICs are properly identified in the config file
> and that your private IP network is configured in /etc/firewall/conf/NATS.
> gShield has some settings for DMZ,  DMZ is generally a third NIC in your
> firewall that handles machines that need to be visible on the net but that
> you want to keep away from your internal network.
>
> Kevin your diagram looks as though you have a network configuration issue
on
> the internal NIC you should have something like this the internal, private
> ip network should be the same not mixed.
>
> +--+
> | Internet |
> +--+
>|
> +---+
> | PPP/Internet Interface(Some_Public_IP)|
> |   ||  |
> |  Firewall/Gateway server  |
> |   ||  |
> | Internal Network Interface (10.x.x.x) |
> +---+
>|
> ++
> | Client machines (10.x.x.x) |
> ++
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:41 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Can someone teach me how to set the IP-Table on RedHat 7.2 ?
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Can someone teach me how to set the IP-Table on RedHat 7.2  ?
>
> I would like to set the PPP Client IP-10.0.0.1 can browse interent through
> PPP Server IP-192.168.13.222.  The simple diagram as below :
>
> > Internet(0.0.0.0)
> >   |
> > PPP Server-Internal Interface(192.168.13.222)
> >   |
> > PPP Client (10.0.0.1)
>
> I was wrote the scripts on below files, but seem like don't work (p.s.
these
> scripts is working on RH 7.0):
>
>  etc/ppp/ip-up.local
> ---
> #!/bin/bash
> ipchains -A forward -s 10.0.01 -d 0/0 -j MASQ
> exit 0
>
>  etc/ppp/ip-down.local
> ---
> #!/bin/bash
> ipchains -D forward -s 10.0.0.1 -d 0/0 -j MASQ
> exit 0
>
> Please teach me how & where I can set the IP-Table to solve my
> problem thanks !
>
> Best regards,
> Kevin

RE: deny copying files

2002-02-25 Thread Paul Hamm

Woops sorry read that post wrong this prevents files from being altered.  It
will allow copying the file.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hamm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:19 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: deny copying files


try "> chattr +i " as superuser

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: deny copying files


it that possible to restrict file to not able be copying but still can be
see the contents.

any suggestions?


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RE: deny copying files

2002-02-25 Thread Paul Hamm

try "> chattr +i " as superuser

-Original Message-
From: Lewi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: deny copying files


it that possible to restrict file to not able be copying but still can be
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any suggestions?


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RE: Nu-B\Linuxconf:Changes which files?

2002-02-22 Thread Paul Hamm

DNS/nameservers are configured in /etc/resolv.conf
named.conf is used to configure your own DNS server 

-Original Message-
From: john-paul delaney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Nu-B\Linuxconf:Changes which files?



Hello List...

After my ISP's DNS crash, I used linuxconf to modify my DNS setting.
However I'd prefer to do the necessary changes to whichever files are
involved - without the use of linuxconf.

What file(s) would I normally have to modify for external DNS configuration?

A more general Q.: Is there a standard way to know what files are changed by
any of the Linuxconf options?

thanks
/j-p.


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RE: simple default route question, RH7.2 [SOLVED]

2002-02-22 Thread Paul Hamm

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ is the location of the scripts and
configurations for networking since at least 6.0 the other location is where
the fancy new gui dumps its crap then links them to network-scripts/ the
file to edit is most likely ifcfg=eth0.  Try "> sudo grep -r GATEWAY=
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/*".  Remote use of X through a firewall is
quite easy using "> ssh -X " thats if you allow ssh and the
remote server is running X.

-Original Message-
From: Charles Galpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:05 PM
To: Redhat List
Subject: RE: simple default route question, RH7.2 [SOLVED]


Hi Paul, thanks for replying

On Fri, 2002-02-22 at 11:32, Paul Hamm wrote:
> The location is in /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default/ there
is
> another one in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ there is a new very
> complicated gui called "neat" that handles these files if you don't want
to
> edit the individual files.

while I prefer doing it by hand, I'm not opposed to using a tool.
However this is a gui, and I need a console based solution (firewall).

I think the files you refer to above are a side effect or result of that
tool too, since I don't have them.

Thanks though, and see below for my fix.

> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Galpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:28 AM
> To: Redhat List
> Subject: simple default route question, RH7.2
> 
> 
> I can't figure out where the default route gets set up in 7.2. For
> whatever reason I didn't get prompted to setup networking during the
> install, so I set it up manually. From the looks of it, ifup uses the
> GATEWAY and GATEWAYDEV env variables set in /etc/sysconfig/network to do
> this automatically, but it isn't working.
> 
> I can manually set the default route, and put that in static-routes or
> rc.local, but I *know* this works on other machines without doing that.
> 
> anyone?

ooh. me. me. Type your gateway IP in correctly you idiot. Then it works
as expected!

charles



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RE: which log files should check regularly to ensure security

2002-02-22 Thread Paul Hamm

Install tripwire to be sure that no files are tampered with that you don't
want changed and you should find all the log files you want to check in
/var/log.  The most likely ones are messages, secure and httpd/error_log.
There are many systems to handle log monitoring logwatch and analog may come
in handy.  You can also secure your system with a firewall or by configuring
acls.

-Original Message-
From: Jianping Zhu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: which log files should check regularly to ensure security



  I am a newbie in linux administration . I am managing a lab with a
samba server and a web server, which log files should check
regularly to ensure security?

Thanks


Jianping Zhu
Department of Computer Science
Univerity of Georgia 
Athens, GA 30602






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RE: simple default route question, RH7.2

2002-02-22 Thread Paul Hamm

The location is in /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default/ there is
another one in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ there is a new very
complicated gui called "neat" that handles these files if you don't want to
edit the individual files.

-Original Message-
From: Charles Galpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:28 AM
To: Redhat List
Subject: simple default route question, RH7.2


I can't figure out where the default route gets set up in 7.2. For
whatever reason I didn't get prompted to setup networking during the
install, so I set it up manually. From the looks of it, ifup uses the
GATEWAY and GATEWAYDEV env variables set in /etc/sysconfig/network to do
this automatically, but it isn't working.

I can manually set the default route, and put that in static-routes or
rc.local, but I *know* this works on other machines without doing that.

anyone?

tia
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RE: How to & (submit jobs to background)

2002-02-22 Thread Paul Hamm

If you are running a GUI app and want to get your shell back all you need to
do is">  &" example "mozilla &" If you are running a backup script
or something that will take hours use cron.  The reason is that if you are
running on a remote machine and get disconnected so does the process you are
running.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Oatman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: How to & (submit jobs to background)


Oh, I've been trying 

   sh%  |&

and then I tried

   sh%  >&

and all sorts of variations.
Except the right one, it seems
When those didn't work I just minimized shell windows ;)

It appears that 

   sh% bg 

is the same as

   sh%  &

with no pipe or direct between the command and the &.
Found it!  Thanks!  Now, how do you resize ext3 partitions?

Gnu's Not Unix, and neither is a fifth of Linux...

Michael
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- Mike Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Wow...didn't know about "bg"...thanks...
> 
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Darryl Harvey wrote:
> 
> > CTRL-Z stops the process and gives you control,
> > 
> > Just type "bg" (No quotes) and the process goes into the "background".
> > 
> > You can switch processes at any time by typing "fg process_id"
> > 
> > And/or see running jobs by typing "jobs".
> > 
> > That will help you.  Although all output will be mixed on your screen.
> > 
> > man bash (or whatever shell you are using) then search for fg, bg, jobs
> > etc..
> > 
> > Rgds,
> > Darryl
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> > > Behalf Of Roger
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:55 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: How to submit jobs to background
> > > 
> > > Yes, I think it should be Ctrl-Z but, when I press Ctrl-Z the job is
> > > stopped immediately. That's why?
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > On Behalf Of Cameron Simpson
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:44 AM
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> > > Subject: Re: How to submit jobs to background
> > > 
> > > On 09:51 22 Feb 2002, Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > | I remember there is a short cut key, Ctrl+something, that can submit
> > > the
> > > | program that is controlling terminal to the background, so that the
> > > user could
> > > | regain console again. But I forget it, can you remind me again?
> > > Thanks!
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RE: Can someone teach me how to set the IP-Table on RedHat 7.2 ?

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Hamm

iptables it the firewall of choice on kernel 2.4.  There is a very nice well
documented script to run iptables it is called gShield.  Get it from here
http://muse.linuxmafia.org/gshield.html.  Make sure that ipchains is turned
off and that iptables is turned on "> chkconfig --level 345 ipchains off" ">
chkconfig --level 345 iptables on". Then reboot you can do the rmmod insmod
if you like but rebooting works fine if you are not sure how.  The main
configuration file for gShield is /etc/firewall/gShield.conf.  Start gShield
by running "> /etc/firewall/gShield.rc" be sure to add this to a boot script
so it starts automatically /etc/rc.d/rc.local will do.  Out of the tarball
gShield will give you a nice tight firewall configuration.  Just check that
your internet and internal NICs are properly identified in the config file
and that your private IP network is configured in /etc/firewall/conf/NATS.
gShield has some settings for DMZ,  DMZ is generally a third NIC in your
firewall that handles machines that need to be visible on the net but that
you want to keep away from your internal network.

Kevin your diagram looks as though you have a network configuration issue on
the internal NIC you should have something like this the internal, private
ip network should be the same not mixed.

+--+
| Internet |
+--+
   |
+---+
| PPP/Internet Interface(Some_Public_IP)|
|   ||  |
|  Firewall/Gateway server  |
|   ||  |
| Internal Network Interface (10.x.x.x) |
+---+
   |
++
| Client machines (10.x.x.x) |
++

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Can someone teach me how to set the IP-Table on RedHat 7.2 ?


Hi all,

Can someone teach me how to set the IP-Table on RedHat 7.2  ?

I would like to set the PPP Client IP-10.0.0.1 can browse interent through
PPP Server IP-192.168.13.222.  The simple diagram as below :

> Internet(0.0.0.0)
>   |
> PPP Server-Internal Interface(192.168.13.222)
>   |
> PPP Client (10.0.0.1)

I was wrote the scripts on below files, but seem like don't work (p.s. these
scripts is working on RH 7.0):

 etc/ppp/ip-up.local
---
#!/bin/bash
ipchains -A forward -s 10.0.01 -d 0/0 -j MASQ
exit 0

 etc/ppp/ip-down.local
---
#!/bin/bash
ipchains -D forward -s 10.0.0.1 -d 0/0 -j MASQ
exit 0

Please teach me how & where I can set the IP-Table to solve my
problem thanks !

Best regards,
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RE: RH 7.2 CDROM issue, Dell OptiPlex GX1

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Hamm

It is possible that you have an issue with IDE and cable select.  Check that
your CD is configured as a master or slave not as a cable select device, all
you should have to do is move a single jumper on the cdrom drive itself.
Cable select is a previously identified issue with some of the current
releases of linux.  

-Original Message-
From: Gene Sais [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RH 7.2 CDROM issue, Dell OptiPlex GX1


Hi All - Newbie to this list.  I have created a boot cd w/ boot.img and rh
7.2 iso file.  I can boot from the CD.  However, when the install runs, I
get the following error:

"I could not find a Red Hat CDROM in any of your CDROM drives. Please insert
the Red Hat CD and press OK to retry."

Any clues, hints?  Should I burn a CD using the Red Hat files (expanded)
rather than using an ISO image?  Any help or suggestion is much appreciated!

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RE: rcp, nfs or ftp?

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Hamm

NFS and NDMP are the fastest ways to backup just be sure to set the read and
write size on your nfs mounts to 8192 as the default 1024 is just a bottle
neck for performance.  If you plan on doing backups to tape I recommend you
use something that maintains a database of your data/files restores get real
ugly without it.  Also tape libraries are really important with the size of
hard drives now.

-Original Message-
From: Williams, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:44 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: rcp, nfs or ftp?


Essentially, I'm trying to figure out which way would be best as a
standard...  I do have some older production machines that I'm not sure will
run a current version of ssh...  (Not sure on that one, I'll have to check)
Often I'll have to bring up nodes that are some what identical to other
nodes and one of the processes is to backup certain files using an automated
process to push the files to a backup server.  (This is where my question
comes into play)  I want something that can be easy to bring up a node
without too much human error and doesn't bring down the server...  

One thing I did find out and maybe someone can give me some insight to this
one.   Once when trying rcp and having lots of nodes go to one server to
push their files, after a few minutes inetd reported that too many
connections where encountered and it shutdown for about 5 minutes due to a
denial of service attack.  This is an issue that I want to make sure I don't
run into.  I think that I might have ran into this one with ftp also...
Does scp have this limitation since it's not under inetd?

With nfs I constantly see errors in the messages file about nfs server not
responding and then immediately it says it found the nfs server.  To me this
sounds like broadcast traffic...  

Right now, we have many scripts that utilize all four methods if you include
scp.  I'm just trying to get things more in sync and try to use one method
that would be best.

Thanks for all the input!

Jeff Williams



-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: rcp, nfs or ftp?


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>I'm trying to figure out from a bandwidth, system utilization and security
>standpoint which transfer protocol is better...  (ie. pros and cons) 
>
>Is there a significant difference between the three?  I'm automating
certain
>things and trying to figure out which is better in transfering files?

There are more important considerations than speed.  If you're
transferring files between two machines with an internet connection,
they all stink.  Paint us a picture of your needs, topology, and
expectations?

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RE: how to get linuxconf work

2002-02-20 Thread Paul Hamm

Most likely not installed.  You can try "> locate linuxconf" or "> rpm -qs
|grep linuxconf"

-Original Message-
From: Jianping Zhu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 4:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: how to get linuxconf work


I install redhat 7.2 as server. When I try to use linuxconf at root,
I get
error message as fllowing:
bash:linuxconf:Command not found.

Why and how to fix the problem.
Thanks.



Jianping Zhu
Department of Computer Science
Univerity of Georgia 
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RE: How do I reinstall Linux

2002-02-20 Thread Paul Hamm



Use a 
linux boot/install disk/cd when you get a command line enter "linux rescue" you 
should be asked a couple of ??? keyboard and lang.  Once you have a shell 
prompt you should be able to "chroot /mnt/sysimage" to get your linux to load 
again run "lilo -v -v" which will rebuild your MBR.  Microsoft Windows 
always abuses the MBR.  This should get you back to the way you 
where.  You may want to alter /etc/lilo.conf and change the display name 
for your old windows partition but this is not necessary.

  -Original Message-From: Ing. Nono Carballo Escalona 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 
  2002 1:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: How do I 
  reinstall Linux
  Hi!
   
  I had two operating systems on my computer: 
  Linux and Windows98.
  LILO was acting as Boot Loader.
   
  Recently I installed Windows XP on the windows 
  partition, but XP installed their own boot loader and now I am forced to 
  enter Linux through a Linux boot disk.
   
  Does anyone know how can I reinstall LILO as Boot 
  Loader.
   
  Thanks in advance
   
  Nono


RE: system performance monitoring

2002-02-20 Thread Paul Hamm

Several different products are available.  Big Brother with larrd and
rrdtools works well, MRTG, and Demarc.  You can use SAR to collect data and
there are several products that make spiffy charts like analog.  Kind of
depends on what you want to do.  I use Big Brother as it does a good job of
process monitoring along with the performance information.  larrd builds the
graphs on the fly and they have good depth up to 18 months out of the box.
Demarc has some nice bits also.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Boeckman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: system performance monitoring


Some of you may be familiar with Blair Zajac's ORCA 
(http://www.orcaware.com/orca/), which works wonderfully with Adrian 
Cocroft's SE performance toolkit for solaris. I'm wondering if anyone is 
aware of a similair solution for redhat.

Specifically I'm looking for something that gif-ifies system 
utilization, broken out by CPU/mem/net, etc. I'm aware of things like 
GKRELLM, but it does not archive results. Any ideas?

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RE: Newbie - Creating a Cron Job

2002-02-20 Thread Paul Hamm



Use 
"> crontab -e" to configure cron.  Most likely you will have vi opening 
your crontab kind of icky if you don't know how to use it.  You can 
set your editor to anything with "> export 
EDITOR=" for bash, use setenv for csh.  Run the 
export or setenv before the crontab -e.  logrotate is different as it is 
built in, check /etc/logrotate.d/ and /etc/logrotate.conf.  Cron is your 
friend I recommend you learn how it functions as it will make your life easier 
once you do.  In general like every thing else you should run cron jobs as 
a user other than root .

  -Original Message-From: Alexander Shaw 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 
  2002 5:40 AMTo: Redhat ListSubject: Newbie - Creating a 
  Cron Job
  Hi 
  all,
   
  In the process of 
  making things up as I go along again.
   
  I have created a 
  logrotate file on the direction of another person to back up my databases on 
  MySQL. Now I understand that this needs to be called from Cron for it to 
  work.
   
  Having had a 
  browse around I see there is a reference to logrotate in the cron.daily 
  folder, do I need to add anything extra to ensure that the file I have added 
  is executed? For the purpose of testing what extra could I add to run the 
  process at short intervals to check it is working?
   
  TIA
   
  Alex


RE: How to set IP Forwarding in RH 7.2 ?

2002-02-20 Thread Paul Hamm

netcfg has been removed from RH7.2, no idea why only laptop users need
network profiles.  The new gadget is "Network Configuration" under KDE and
Gnome, can be run from a console prgram is "neat".  It is ugly and way to
complex for general network configuration but hey deal, I am, .  If you are looking for firewalling get gShield it
is a well documented script with a bunch of great features for using
iptables.

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to set IP Forwarding in RH 7.2 ?


Dear all,

I would like to know where I can set the IP Forwarding in RH 7.2 and why I
can't use the "netcfg" under Xwindow ?

(p.s. I know there are button call IP Forwarding in "netcfg" on RH 7.0)

Thanks and regards,
Kevin Chan



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RE: boot into redhat 7.2

2002-02-19 Thread Paul Hamm

This is my post to another issue see the second paragraph.  This of course
assumes you are using grub on the mbr to boot with.

It has always been my policy to not upgrade Windows OS unless/until there is
something specific I need that is only available in the new product.  My
home and office machines both dual boot to Win2k, better stability and
security than 98/ME and will play games.  You should have no problem
installing XP on the fat32 partition it should even let you keep the 98
install.

The biggest thing to be aware of is that MS just loves to mess
with the MBR of your primary hard drive.  So if you use grub, and you
should.  You will need to re burn the MBR after MS has had its way with it.
Just boot the RH7.2 cd1 to "linux rescue" chroot /mnt/sysimage and run
/sbin/grub-install /dev/ most likely "hda".  Then grub will
work as it used to.  When you boot to the old win98 you will get winXP and
you should have the option to boot into win98 at that time.  What makes you
so hot to deal with activation keys anyway?

-Original Message-
From: Jianping Zhu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: boot into redhat 7.2



I have a w2k install in the primary partion in linux (redhat 7.2), 
When I install redhat linux I failed to produced a boot floppy(because
there some defect with the floppy drive). Now when I boot my computer it
always goes to w2k, is there any way I can boot into linux?(by using hard
disk or CDROM, I mean)

Thanks  



Jianping Zhu
Department of Computer Science
Univerity of Georgia 
Athens, GA 30602




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RE: Thoughts on possible XP upgrade with RH 7.2

2002-02-19 Thread Paul Hamm

It has always been my policy to not upgrade Windows OS unless/until there is
something specific I need that is only available in the new product.  My
home and office machines both dual boot to Win2k, better stability and
security than 98/ME and will play games.  You should have no problem
installing XP on the fat32 partition it should even let you keep the 98
install.  The biggest thing to be aware of is that MS just loves to mess
with the MBR of your primary hard drive.  So if you use grub, and you
should.  You will need to re burn the MBR after MS has had its way with it.
Just boot the RH7.2 cd1 to "linux rescue" chroot /mnt/sysimage and run
/sbin/grub-install /dev/ most likely "hda".  Then grub will
work as it used to.  When you boot to the old win98 you will get winXP and
you should have the option to boot into win98 at that time.  What makes you
so hot to deal with activation keys anyway?

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Kall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Thoughts on possible XP upgrade with RH 7.2


"Rev. David P. Giffen" wrote:
> 
> Win XP Home uses FAT32. XP Professional uses NTFS.

XP Pro 'defaults' to NTFS, but can be configureed to use
Fat32.

Bruce


> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adam Holisky
> > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:06 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Thoughts on possible XP upgrade with RH 7.2
> >
> >
> > Few things..
> >
> > 1.  WinXP uses FAT32.. at least that's what I have it set to on mine.
> > If you upgrade your system, the installation will not change the FS type
> > to NTFS.
> >
> > 2.  Keep Win98 For CD Burning. I have 98, XP, and RH72 installed, and XP
> >   BLOWS MORE THEN EVER WITH CD BURNING.  It's so bad I had to yell it
> > :).  Seriously though, I have major problems with all different kinds of
> > CD Burners on XP unsing all different kinds of software.  When I need to
> > burn I do it in 98 or linux.
> >
> > 3.  Most games & XP don't mix well.. I'm just throwing this in here b/c
> > the only reason I have windows is to play some games, and generally I
> > use 98 still.
> >
> > my two cents.
> >
> > - Adam Holisky
> >
> > Brandon Dorman wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Please no flaming.  I currently have a dual boot RH7.2/Win98 system,
> > > primarily booting into linux but I need win98 for cd burning (too much
> > > work for me to set it up) and printing (again, too much work for me,
I'm
> > > just too lazy i guess.) and am going to get WinXP at a "heavily
> > > discounted" price.  It uses NTFS doesn't it?  What could happen if I
> > > install winxp over the existing 98 installation, assuming the MS
> > > installation goes ok?  Who has done this?  Thanks.
> > >
> > > -Brandon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: Updating Redhat 7.2 Distro

2002-02-13 Thread Paul Hamm

Doh.  I hate looking stupid.  Thanks.  Went back to the kernel only update
distro and realized that it KeyError had changed to kernel-pcmcia-cs.
Messed around with the comps file and now have the kernel update working.
You have to change the laptop support section, I just commented it out, as
there is no pcmcia kernel update.  Devon thanks for pointing me at the
solution.

-Original Message-
From: Devon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Updating Redhat 7.2 Distro


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On Tuesday 12 February 2002 02:13 pm, Paul Hamm wrote:

>   File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/comps.py",
> line 795, in __init__
>   File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/comps.py",
> line 549, in readCompsFile
>   File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/comps.py",
> line 152, in __getitem__
> KeyError: kon2
>
> Local variables in innermost frame:
> self: 
> item: kon2
>
>
> Individual package selection status:
> <- Clip -->
>
> The install worked prior to updating the RPMs.  I expect I am missing
> something but do not know what that may be.  I will try again with just
> the kernel rpms and if that fails with something less extreme.  Is
> there any documentation on this process that is current?

Perhaps you missed a package?
Does the kon2-[version].rpm exist on the updates disk?
- From personal experience, anaconda doesn't like it at all if a package  
listed in the base section of the comps file is missing.

Hope that helps,

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Updating Redhat 7.2 Distro

2002-02-12 Thread Paul Hamm

I have seen a couple of short treads on this but no real information.  I am
looking to update a RH7.2 distro to the latest packages for an automated
installation system I am setting up.  I copied CDs 1 and 2 into a single nfs
share, downloaded the updates from http://mirror.hiwaay.net merged the
updates with the RedHat/RPMS directory removing the older packages.  I
updated the comps list by adding Omni and Omni-foomatic, which is now needed
by ghostscript.  I moved the hdlist and hdlist2 files and ran
"/usr/lib/anaconda-runtime/genhdlist --withnumbers --hdlist /path/to/hdlist
/path/to/distro" which created the hdlist and hdlist2 files.  I am getting
an exception error during a manual install with the new distro.  Here are
the first 20 lines of the dump file.

<- Clip -->
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/bin/anaconda", line 620, in ?
intf.run(id, dispatch, configFileData)
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line
364, in run
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py",
line 243, in currentStep
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py",
line 143, in gotoNext
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py",
line 208, in moveStep
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py",
line 106, in readPackages
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/urlinstall.py",
line 39, in readComps
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/comps.py", line
795, in __init__
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/comps.py", line
549, in readCompsFile
  File "/usr/src/build/41637-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/comps.py", line
152, in __getitem__
KeyError: kon2

Local variables in innermost frame:
self: 
item: kon2


Individual package selection status:
<- Clip -->

The install worked prior to updating the RPMs.  I expect I am missing
something but do not know what that may be.  I will try again with just the
kernel rpms and if that fails with something less extreme.  Is there any
documentation on this process that is current?



Paul Hamm
Manager  Technical Services
Open Ratings Inc
617-582-5124
www.openratings.com



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