Re: Had enough
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:49:38AM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: On Friday 11 July 2003 03:50, T. Ribbrock wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: snip At work, I use Mozilla 1.4. So far, I haven't had any serious problems with any pages, short of the fact that I haven's installed a flash player yet (installer fails). Linux or Windows? In linux you could just copy the files into the appropriate directory (you might even be able to get away with unpacking the Linux installer and moving the files into Mozilla's plugin dir for Windows) Hm... It's under Windows (works just dandy under Linux). The installer complains about some missing user.dll or suchlike. Cheerio, Thomas -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thursday 10 July 2003 21:01, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:32:39PM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Doesn't Mozilla support IMAP? I know it supports POP3 (secure and insecure) on multiple ports. It's easy to configure, too I've done a lot of work with mozilla and netscape, but unfortunately, on Windows, nothing touches IE. Too many webmasters assume IE and Sorry, IE sucks (although IE Mac is fairly decent from what I here) in all areas that really count (such as standards compliance). won't work properly with anything else. That's because IE is fairly dominant in the Windows market. Why should the webmaster for RedHat assume ANYONE using that script is going to be using IE? After all, it is a renewal for an RHN demo account to keep your LINUX box up2date. I personally generally refuse to code a site specifically for IE. I try my best to be HTML/XHTML and CSS valid with my sites. I also dislike having to make work arounds for my website that make it look like SHIT just so it works in IE. I'm gonna stop here before I turn this into a flamewar. My apologies if it already has become one. I found it amusing when I had to renew my demo RHN subsription and could not because the browser on my in-laws system was Netscape 4.75 on W98. Seriously, how hard could it have been for a Red Hat webmaster to make a simple subscription renewal work? Or for that matter, why do I have to use a browser at all? An e-mail reply should suffice. Why should a webmaster be expected to be backwards compatible with a browser that's ANCIENT? It's like expecting RedHat to still maintain RH 1.0 (or 4.2). It makes no sense. If your in-laws can run Win98, upgrade them to Mozilla 1.4 or even Firebird. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Friday 11 July 2003 03:50, T. Ribbrock wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: snip At work, I use Mozilla 1.4. So far, I haven't had any serious problems with any pages, short of the fact that I haven's installed a flash player yet (installer fails). Cheerio, Thomas Linux or Windows? In linux you could just copy the files into the appropriate directory (you might even be able to get away with unpacking the Linux installer and moving the files into Mozilla's plugin dir for Windows) -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thursday 10 July 2003 14:48, Edward Croft wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: snip Hmmm, while I can understand why 'you' may not want HTML, there are a lot of people who do like it. They feel they have more freedom to dress up their emails, plus they can get online magazines and supplier emails in HTML that show pictures. My company has marketing materials that we send out in HTML, and no it isn't spam. These materials are sent out after potential customers have requested them. If I were to block off Exchange so that only text can get through, our customers wouldn't get the full impact of our marketing materials. So sometimes HTML is a good thing. Besides, people like pictures. Hey, they are even pushing the cameras in your cell phone. HTML emails can have more impact with the use of colors, formats, fonts, etc. You can even use background styles. Here it may not be prudent, but why force it on everyone. Disks are cheap these days anyway. I have more concern over people sending MPGs. Just figured I would give my 2 cents in defense of HTML email. Oh, and one other thing, I have learned that it is not prudent to tell the CEO he can't have something. Those are all things that belong in a web page, NOT an email, sorry. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:48:39AM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: On Thursday 10 July 2003 21:01, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:32:39PM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Doesn't Mozilla support IMAP? I know it supports POP3 (secure and insecure) on multiple ports. It's easy to configure, too I've done a lot of work with mozilla and netscape, but unfortunately, on Windows, nothing touches IE. Too many webmasters assume IE and Sorry, IE sucks (although IE Mac is fairly decent from what I here) in all areas that really count (such as standards compliance). I had a long discussion a couple of years back with the Konqueror folks. I'll very briefly summarize what I stated then and I what I still believe. If the product works, then it doesn't suck. If it doesn't work, it sucks. That's the bottom line to the end user. I've got commercial apps that I *have* to run at work that will not work with Netscape or mozilla. Yes, I agree that the web developers most likely isn't following the standards work. But for me, IE doesn't suck - it's the only web browser that works on every web page I visit. There are times we want to change the world, but we still need to live within the realities of the world. Browsers have to be able to properly all the web pages we need to see, and office documents have to be 100% interchangeable with MS Office. Like it or not, that's life in the business world. I found it amusing when I had to renew my demo RHN subsription and could not because the browser on my in-laws system was Netscape 4.75 on W98. Seriously, how hard could it have been for a Red Hat webmaster to make a simple subscription renewal work? Or for that matter, why do I have to use a browser at all? An e-mail reply should suffice. Why should a webmaster be expected to be backwards compatible with a browser that's ANCIENT? It's like expecting RedHat to still maintain RH 1.0 (or 4.2). Different argument. If the web page doesn't need to do anthing fancy, then the dumbest you can make it the better. For what the RHN subscription renewal does, links or lynx should have been able to do the job. It makes no sense. If your in-laws can run Win98, upgrade them to Mozilla 1.4 or even Firebird. Real world reality again. Life sucks don't it? Their ISP starter pack still bundles Netscape 4.75 and I didn't have time to do big upgrades, especially when you're stuck on a 56k modem in the middle of friggin' nowhere with an ISP agreement that limits you to 10 hours per month. They only live 3,000 miles from me (no kidding) and getting to work on their system isn't easy... -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
Ed Wilts wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:48:39AM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: On Thursday 10 July 2003 21:01, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:32:39PM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Doesn't Mozilla support IMAP? I know it supports POP3 (secure and insecure) on multiple ports. It's easy to configure, too I've done a lot of work with mozilla and netscape, but unfortunately, on Windows, nothing touches IE. Too many webmasters assume IE and Sorry, IE sucks (although IE Mac is fairly decent from what I here) in all areas that really count (such as standards compliance). I had a long discussion a couple of years back with the Konqueror folks. I'll very briefly summarize what I stated then and I what I still believe. If the product works, then it doesn't suck. If it doesn't work, it sucks. That's the bottom line to the end user. I've got commercial apps that I *have* to run at work that will not work with Netscape or mozilla. Yes, I agree that the web developers most likely isn't following the standards work. But for me, IE doesn't suck - it's the only web browser that works on every web page I visit. I can send you to a few pages where it wouldn't work. But that would be the fault of the developer, and not the browser. However, if more developers would start following w3c standards, you would find that a large portion of web sites showing quirks in IE. I'm not saying that Netscape is without blame here, as they went thru their hayday of being non-compliant. There are times we want to change the world, but we still need to live within the realities of the world. Browsers have to be able to properly all the web pages we need to see, That's why there's a w3c. Mozilla, Netscape 7, and Opera all follow it better than IE. and office documents have to be 100% interchangeable with MS Office. Like it or not, that's life in the business world. Not in my office. The three or four MS users in our company use OpenOffice to be 'in sync' with the rest of the company which uses Linux. I work for a consulting firm that helps other companies with their computers / networks, and the area of our business that has grown more than any other over the past year is helping companies switch their desktops over to an open source OS. The business world is a'changing. I found it amusing when I had to renew my demo RHN subsription and could not because the browser on my in-laws system was Netscape 4.75 on W98. Seriously, how hard could it have been for a Red Hat webmaster to make a simple subscription renewal work? Or for that matter, why do I have to use a browser at all? An e-mail reply should suffice. Why should a webmaster be expected to be backwards compatible with a browser that's ANCIENT? It's like expecting RedHat to still maintain RH 1.0 (or 4.2). Different argument. If the web page doesn't need to do anthing fancy, then the dumbest you can make it the better. For what the RHN subscription renewal does, links or lynx should have been able to do the job. Then what's the purpose of advancing technologies like HTML, CSS, XML, JavaScript, etc., if we're just going to dumb down the web sites so that every browser ever made can use it. Tell me, did you try that same RH page in IE4? It makes no sense. If your in-laws can run Win98, upgrade them to Mozilla 1.4 or even Firebird. Real world reality again. Life sucks don't it? Their ISP starter pack still bundles Netscape 4.75 and I didn't have time to do big upgrades, especially when you're stuck on a 56k modem in the middle of friggin' nowhere with an ISP agreement that limits you to 10 hours per month. They only live 3,000 miles from me (no kidding) and getting to work on their system isn't easy... Send me their snail mail address, and I'll send them a CD with the latest releases of Netscape, Mozilla, and Opera. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Saturday 12 July 2003 11:06, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:48:39AM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: On Thursday 10 July 2003 21:01, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:32:39PM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Doesn't Mozilla support IMAP? I know it supports POP3 (secure and insecure) on multiple ports. It's easy to configure, too I've done a lot of work with mozilla and netscape, but unfortunately, on Windows, nothing touches IE. Too many webmasters assume IE and Sorry, IE sucks (although IE Mac is fairly decent from what I here) in all areas that really count (such as standards compliance). I had a long discussion a couple of years back with the Konqueror folks. I'll very briefly summarize what I stated then and I what I still believe. Konqueror is a good browser. I really like it, but it doesn't have the features I've grown used to in Mozilla/Netscape (and even IE). If the product works, then it doesn't suck. If it doesn't work, it There are different levels of suckiness. sucks. That's the bottom line to the end user. I've got commercial apps that I *have* to run at work that will not work with Netscape or mozilla. Yes, I agree that the web developers most likely isn't following the standards work. But for me, IE doesn't suck - it's the Do you mean web browser developers? only web browser that works on every web page I visit. It doesn't work on my page, and my page IS compliant. I've had to do some really UGLY stuff to my margins for IE to display the page properly (it doesn't like the padding I set for the UL's). There are times we want to change the world, but we still need to That should be all the time. live within the realities of the world. Browsers have to be able to Reality is what you make of it. You choose to go with the status qou, I choose to constantly challenge it. properly all the web pages we need to see, and office documents have to be 100% interchangeable with MS Office. Like it or not, that's life in the business world. Open Office rocks, it really does. I found it amusing when I had to renew my demo RHN subsription and could not because the browser on my in-laws system was Netscape 4.75 on W98. Seriously, how hard could it have been for a Red Hat webmaster to make a simple subscription renewal work? Or for that matter, why do I have to use a browser at all? An e-mail reply should suffice. Why should a webmaster be expected to be backwards compatible with a browser that's ANCIENT? It's like expecting RedHat to still maintain RH 1.0 (or 4.2). Different argument. If the web page doesn't need to do anthing Not at all. fancy, then the dumbest you can make it the better. For what the RHN subscription renewal does, links or lynx should have been able to do the job. I've renewed my subscription once or twice with lynx. It wasn't easy (I don't like command line browsers, but of the two I've used (links and lynx) lynx does the job the best), but it worked. It makes no sense. If your in-laws can run Win98, upgrade them to Mozilla 1.4 or even Firebird. Real world reality again. Life sucks don't it? Their ISP starter pack still bundles Netscape 4.75 and I didn't have time to do big So does most every other ISP starter pack. upgrades, especially when you're stuck on a 56k modem in the middle of friggin' nowhere with an ISP agreement that limits you to 10 hours per month. They only live 3,000 miles from me (no kidding) and getting to work on their system isn't easy... snip I can snail mail them Mozilla, OpenOffice, and pretty much anything else you think they would need. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 22:32, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: On Saturday 12 July 2003 11:06, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:48:39AM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: snip Real world reality again. Life sucks don't it? Their ISP starter pack still bundles Netscape 4.75 and I didn't have time to do big So does most every other ISP starter pack. upgrades, especially when you're stuck on a 56k modem in the middle of friggin' nowhere with an ISP agreement that limits you to 10 hours per month. They only live 3,000 miles from me (no kidding) and getting to work on their system isn't easy... snip I can snail mail them Mozilla, OpenOffice, and pretty much anything else you think they would need. -- and way faster that a dl of any of them. Probably faster than the time it takes to upgrade any out of the box modern OS with all the sec. updates. Bret -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Saturday 12 July 2003 23:02, Bret Hughes wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: snip I can snail mail them Mozilla, OpenOffice, and pretty much anything else you think they would need. -- and way faster that a dl of any of them. Probably faster than the time it takes to upgrade any out of the box modern OS with all the sec. updates. Bret Not really. I've been on 28KB and have upgraded to Netscape 6 with the their inet installer. Didn't take but a few hours. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:28:54PM -0500, Ed Wilts wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:15:56PM +0200, T. Ribbrock wrote: Well, mutt works nicely with IMAP under cygwin... ;-) My wife and I have been married for just about 25 years, and if I want to live to see 26, I won't give her mutt under cygwin :-) Thankfully, my wife is a happy Linux user. The only 'doze at home resides on a SunPCi card in my U10... ;-) Cheerio, Thomas -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0500, Ed Wilts wrote: I've done a lot of work with mozilla and netscape, but unfortunately, on Windows, nothing touches IE. Too many webmasters assume IE and won't work properly with anything else. [...] At work, I use Mozilla 1.4. So far, I haven't had any serious problems with any pages, short of the fact that I haven's installed a flash player yet (installer fails). Cheerio, Thomas -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough [OT]
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:14:20 +0200 Leonard den Ottolander [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: Hi Benjamin, I tried pegasus mail before, but when I tried it, it didn't understand imap/tls or smtp/tls. Still using Pegasus 3, which doesn't support IMAP yet, so I can't comment on that issue. Which is too bad, because I have to use windows here at work, and I'd rather use something else. :( Try Eudora. What I've seen of it it is quite nice. I use sylpheed in linux and I believe there is a windows version as well. Try doing a google search for sylpheed and give it a try. Very small download and footprint. -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough [OT]
El vie, 11-07-2003 a las 12:37, Michael Scottaline escribió: On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:14:20 +0200 Leonard den Ottolander [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: Hi Benjamin, I tried pegasus mail before, but when I tried it, it didn't understand imap/tls or smtp/tls. Still using Pegasus 3, which doesn't support IMAP yet, so I can't comment on that issue. Which is too bad, because I have to use windows here at work, and I'd rather use something else. :( Try Eudora. What I've seen of it it is quite nice. Eudora's handling of attachments maybe inconvenient (it used to take them out of the messages, creating a lot of separate files and ruining the mbox files). Although a little queer, IMHO Pegasus is probably the best email client available on Windows. Have a look to the 4.x release (haven't done in a while..) Hope this helps -- Rodolfo -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 02:29:56PM -0500, Stephen Smith wrote: ok! click on tools - options - send - and take the check out of reply int he format message was sent in Hope that helps everyone else who was wondering also. No. There's no send under Tools - Options in the Outhouse I have on my work machine... :-( Cheerio, Thomas (who still wonders where the how-to-teach-users-to-quote-correctly button is in Outhouse :-( ) -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 10:53:01PM +0200, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: We are drifting slightly off topic here, but if you need a decent mailer under Windows you should try Pegasus mail (http://www.pmail.com). It's the main reason I still keep rebooting between Windows and Linux on this machine. Or you could install Cygwin and use mutt - which is what I did after about a day of Outhouse/Outhouse Excess. They're both *far* to painful to use, never mind the fact that they encourage users to use bad and excessive quoting. grrr Cheerio, Thomas -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
Hi Reuben, Are you saying you're booting to Windows to get a decent mail client? I expressed myself a little poorly. I actually ment to say two things: 1) If you need a decent mail program under Windows please drop Outlook (Express) and use Pegasus Mail. Very nice program, no problem with disabling html and it doesn't automatically open dangerous attachments in a browser. (Eudora is not too bad either.) 2) The reason I keep rebooting to Windows for my mail is not because I don't think there are decent mail clients available for Linux. It's just that I have an archive of hundreds of thousands of messages which are easily accessible with my current email program. It's probably possible to migrate all this stuff to Linux, but for now I find that too much trouble, thus I stick to rebooting to Windows for my email. But there will come a day... :) Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
I tried pegasus mail before, but when I tried it, it didn't understand imap/tls or smtp/tls. So far, the only windows client I've found that does these two correctly is outlook/outlook epxress. Which is too bad, because I have to use windows here at work, and I'd rather use something else. :( - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:03 AM Subject: Re: Had enough On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 10:53:01PM +0200, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: We are drifting slightly off topic here, but if you need a decent mailer under Windows you should try Pegasus mail (http://www.pmail.com). It's the main reason I still keep rebooting between Windows and Linux on this machine. Or you could install Cygwin and use mutt - which is what I did after about a day of Outhouse/Outhouse Excess. They're both *far* to painful to use, never mind the fact that they encourage users to use bad and excessive quoting. grrr Cheerio, Thomas -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == -- --- Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 10:00:39AM -0500, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: I tried pegasus mail before, but when I tried it, it didn't understand imap/tls or smtp/tls. So far, the only windows client I've found that does these two correctly is outlook/outlook epxress. Which is too bad, because I have to use windows here at work, and I'd rather use something else. :( I've tried a ton of Windows e-mail packages, and most really suck at imap. Eudora, surprisingly enough, is great at pop but sucks at imap. I'd be a much happier camper if there was a decent Windows imap client other than OE (which is even better that Outlook at imap). -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
At 08:00 AM 7/10/2003, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote : I tried pegasus mail before, but when I tried it, it didn't understand imap/tls or smtp/tls. So far, the only windows client I've found that does these two correctly is outlook/outlook epxress. Which is too bad, because I have to use windows here at work, and I'd rather use something else. :( For me, by far the best POP3 client I have used is Eudora Pro for the Mac. If there was a *nix version I'd be very happy, but alas there is not. I have tried Evolution and I like it but it has too much that I do not use and it is a resource hog. For Mac or windows users I always recommend Eudora. It does POP3, IMAP and supports TLS/SSL on regular and alternate ports. Has a very good filtering system, supports multiple accounts and has humour built-in (run context sensitive help and you will see what I mean). Oh, and Eudora in general can not be used to propagate mal-ware (not impossible, just harder by default). /2cents HTH Sincerely, R. McFarlane cross platform specialist Mac - Linux - windows McFarlane Computing on-site/remote tutorials, support training (phone) 391-8972 (fax) 391-8972 (pager) 413-8577 (email) techie @ mcfarlanecomputing . net
Re: Had enough
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 14:51, Keith Morse wrote: Also, I've heard that this can be manipulated by the Exchange server (if you're using one) to always do email via html no matter what your client is set to do. Very true. I was actually questioned by the CEO at my previous company because I went ahead and forced text instead. He liked his HTML and others did too and I was not helping out. Well... AFAIK, he still has text emails ;D -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 15:11, Andrew Schott wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 14:51, Keith Morse wrote: Also, I've heard that this can be manipulated by the Exchange server (if you're using one) to always do email via html no matter what your client is set to do. Very true. I was actually questioned by the CEO at my previous company because I went ahead and forced text instead. He liked his HTML and others did too and I was not helping out. Well... AFAIK, he still has text emails ;D Hmmm, while I can understand why 'you' may not want HTML, there are a lot of people who do like it. They feel they have more freedom to dress up their emails, plus they can get online magazines and supplier emails in HTML that show pictures. My company has marketing materials that we send out in HTML, and no it isn't spam. These materials are sent out after potential customers have requested them. If I were to block off Exchange so that only text can get through, our customers wouldn't get the full impact of our marketing materials. So sometimes HTML is a good thing. Besides, people like pictures. Hey, they are even pushing the cameras in your cell phone. HTML emails can have more impact with the use of colors, formats, fonts, etc. You can even use background styles. Here it may not be prudent, but why force it on everyone. Disks are cheap these days anyway. I have more concern over people sending MPGs. Just figured I would give my 2 cents in defense of HTML email. Oh, and one other thing, I have learned that it is not prudent to tell the CEO he can't have something. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 12:11:40PM -0500, Ed Wilts wrote: I've tried a ton of Windows e-mail packages, and most really suck at imap. Eudora, surprisingly enough, is great at pop but sucks at imap. [...] Well, mutt works nicely with IMAP under cygwin... ;-) Cheerio, Thomas -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
Hi Benjamin, I tried pegasus mail before, but when I tried it, it didn't understand imap/tls or smtp/tls. Still using Pegasus 3, which doesn't support IMAP yet, so I can't comment on that issue. Which is too bad, because I have to use windows here at work, and I'd rather use something else. :( Try Eudora. What I've seen of it it is quite nice. (Sorry for the OT guys.) Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:15:56PM +0200, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 12:11:40PM -0500, Ed Wilts wrote: I've tried a ton of Windows e-mail packages, and most really suck at imap. Eudora, surprisingly enough, is great at pop but sucks at imap. [...] Well, mutt works nicely with IMAP under cygwin... ;-) My wife and I have been married for just about 25 years, and if I want to live to see 26, I won't give her mutt under cygwin :-) -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thursday 10 July 2003 18:28, Ed Wilts wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:15:56PM +0200, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 12:11:40PM -0500, Ed Wilts wrote: I've tried a ton of Windows e-mail packages, and most really suck at imap. Eudora, surprisingly enough, is great at pop but sucks at imap. [...] Well, mutt works nicely with IMAP under cygwin... ;-) My wife and I have been married for just about 25 years, and if I want to live to see 26, I won't give her mutt under cygwin :-) Doesn't Mozilla support IMAP? I know it supports POP3 (secure and insecure) on multiple ports. It's easy to configure, too -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:32:39PM -0500, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: Doesn't Mozilla support IMAP? I know it supports POP3 (secure and insecure) on multiple ports. It's easy to configure, too I've done a lot of work with mozilla and netscape, but unfortunately, on Windows, nothing touches IE. Too many webmasters assume IE and won't work properly with anything else. I found it amusing when I had to renew my demo RHN subsription and could not because the browser on my in-laws system was Netscape 4.75 on W98. Seriously, how hard could it have been for a Red Hat webmaster to make a simple subscription renewal work? Or for that matter, why do I have to use a browser at all? An e-mail reply should suffice. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
I hope you find out, because I would like to know that as well. I use Outlook at work and all my coworkers use HTMLblah -- Richard Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The goys have proven the following theorem... -- Physicist John von Neumann, at the start of a classroom lecture. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Mark Haney wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:17:53 -0400 From: Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RedHat Mailing List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. - -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain - Isaac Asimov Mark Haney Polk County Schools IT Staff http://www.polk.k12.nc.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPwxmyuE7VA/jZY4+EQIa8gCgwL8Jbca3NsUeLWUyAybtjO6WiP4AoLHm 9F9fukeIyMeBun5SoJv6G3E/ =NTBS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
Mark, Try tools, options, send to solve problem. or tools, account...etc - Original Message - From: Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RedHat Mailing List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. - -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain - Isaac Asimov Mark Haney Polk County Schools IT Staff http://www.polk.k12.nc.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPwxmyuE7VA/jZY4+EQIa8gCgwL8Jbca3NsUeLWUyAybtjO6WiP4AoLHm 9F9fukeIyMeBun5SoJv6G3E/ =NTBS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
Mark Haney said: Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. I feel for you, bro. I have no insight, but I do have sympathy. Sliante, Richard S. Crawford http://www.mossroot.com AIM: Buffalo2K ICQ: 11646404 Y!: rscrawford MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Howard Dean for America: http://www.deanforamerica.com It is only with the heart that we see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. --Antoine de Saint Exupéry -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
What I do in outlook express is force the reply to be in plain text from Compose window's Format option. Crude but effective. Mike - Original Message - From: Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. - -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain - Isaac Asimov Mark Haney Polk County Schools IT Staff http://www.polk.k12.nc.us -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Wednesday 09 July 2003 14:17, Mark Haney wrote in an attempt to be witty and informative: Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. Check to see if the Reply in same format option is checked. I'd LOVE to see the list admin have mailman strip all html from messages. Then we wouldn't have this problem. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Had enough
Mark Haney mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. Umm... I've never had a problem with that. Did you try: 1. Changing the format by clicking Format Plain Text? 2. You could try installing Outlook QuoteFix. (Search google for it.) Anytime I reply to an email that is not already plain text, Format Plain Text works fine for me. hth, chris. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
ok! click on tools - options - send - and take the check out of reply int he format message was sent in Hope that helps everyone else who was wondering also. Steve - Original Message - From: Richard Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RedHat Mailing List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Had enough I hope you find out, because I would like to know that as well. I use Outlook at work and all my coworkers use HTMLblah -- Richard Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The goys have proven the following theorem... -- Physicist John von Neumann, at the start of a classroom lecture. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Mark Haney wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:17:53 -0400 From: Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RedHat Mailing List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. - -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain - Isaac Asimov Mark Haney Polk County Schools IT Staff http://www.polk.k12.nc.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPwxmyuE7VA/jZY4+EQIa8gCgwL8Jbca3NsUeLWUyAybtjO6WiP4AoLHm 9F9fukeIyMeBun5SoJv6G3E/ =NTBS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Richard Humphrey wrote: I hope you find out, because I would like to know that as well. I use Outlook at work and all my coworkers use HTMLblah Also, I've heard that this can be manipulated by the Exchange server (if you're using one) to always do email via html no matter what your client is set to do. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
Mark, On Wednesday July 09, 2003 03:17, Mark Haney wrote: Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. Have you tried anything that appears here... http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=outlook+turn+off+htmlbtnG=Google+Search It seem to differ by the version, so the Google search is given. -- Brian Ashe CTO Dee-Web Software Services, LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dee-web.com/ -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Had enough
Title: RE: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 click on tools - options - send - and take the check out of reply int he format message was sent in Okay, this only works in Outlook Express. I'm running pure Outlook. Unfortunately I can't run RH completely on my laptop since I've been unable to find a decent replacment for Dreamweaver and can't get the Novell Client from Sourceforge running. I've tried all these options and nothing so far has worked. I AM running an exchange server (300 mailboxes and the IS chews up 1.5GB of RAM) so I may try there. - -Original Message- From: Stephen Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Had enough ok! click on tools - options - send - and take the check out of reply int he format message was sent in Hope that helps everyone else who was wondering also. Steve - - Original Message - From: Richard Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RedHat Mailing List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Had enough I hope you find out, because I would like to know that as well. I use Outlook at work and all my coworkers use HTMLblah -- Richard Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The goys have proven the following theorem... -- Physicist John von Neumann, at the start of a classroom lecture. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Mark Haney wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:17:53 -0400 From: Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RedHat Mailing List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. - -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain - Isaac Asimov Mark Haney Polk County Schools IT Staff http://www.polk.k12.nc.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPwxmyuE7VA/jZY4+EQIa8gCgwL8Jbca3NsUeLWUyAybtjO6WiP4AoLHm 9F9fukeIyMeBun5SoJv6G3E/ =NTBS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list - -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPwxry+E7VA/jZY4+EQK2EgCfY5zzO7xQ/5EwPCBBvpdDa+zwzk0AnjCa asKwrYrIgghAcidChMya2sNG =Xazi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Had enough
For OE 6.. tools options send tab uncheck the option to reply in the format in which it was sent. d - Original Message - From: Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RedHat Mailing List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. - -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain - Isaac Asimov Mark Haney Polk County Schools IT Staff http://www.polk.k12.nc.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPwxmyuE7VA/jZY4+EQIa8gCgwL8Jbca3NsUeLWUyAybtjO6WiP4AoLHm 9F9fukeIyMeBun5SoJv6G3E/ =NTBS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Had enough
Title: RE: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, FYI, here's what I found (Cut and Pasted from the page since it's a long text document). Note the warning: There's no way to do this for all messages in Outlook 2000. It's _per message_ only. Outlook 2000 * Select Tools then click on Options... * Click on Mail Format tab * In the Message Format section, the pull-down menu in Send in this message format list offers three choices: Plain Text, Microsoft Rich Text, and HTML. Select Plain Text. NOTE: there is a Send e-mail using plain text only checkbox on the properties sheet of an address book entry, but it doesn't do anything if you have the HTML mail format selected here. * Make sure the check box is unchecked (empty) in front of Use Microsoft Word to edit e-mail messages. NOTE: Outlook Help states that you can switch message formats after starting an e-mail message, but this doesn't work if you use Word as your e-mail editor, only if you use the internal Outlook mail editor (and then only switch between plain text and HTML formats). * Click OK WARNING: Outlook 2000 uses what Microsoft calls Auto Format Reply. Due to the variety of message formats supported by different e-mail clients, Outlook 2000 ensures that e-mail recipients receive replies they can read easily. When users reply to a message, Outlook automatically uses the format of the original message. This is especially frustrating if you receive HTML e-mail and wish to send Plain Text e-mail. To override the default for any individual message, click on the Format menu within the message and choose the desired format. Outlook 2000 lets you select the e-mail format for a mail message in what they call one-off editor switching. You can start a new message in a different format than the standard one by selecting New Mail Message Using from the Actions menu. Outlook doesn't have any way to select the mail format to use when sending mail to a particular recipient when you use the drop-down list on a Contact item or an Address list entry. NOTE: A problem you may encounter when you open an incoming e-mail message, you may see a blank message or three less than symbols () displayed instead of the message text. - -Original Message- From: dnk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Had enough For OE 6.. tools options send tab uncheck the option to reply in the format in which it was sent. d - - Original Message - From: Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RedHat Mailing List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. - -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain - Isaac Asimov Mark Haney Polk County Schools IT Staff http://www.polk.k12.nc.us -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPwxmyuE7VA/jZY4+EQIa8gCgwL8Jbca3NsUeLWUyAybtjO6WiP4AoLHm 9F9fukeIyMeBun5SoJv6G3E/ =NTBS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list - -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPwxtkeE7VA/jZY4+EQJbwACgrjl+T9jI1D1HDmZUwc8LkUkD590AnR3Z vNi4zdq/JKtvkIzz9fFbUatc =Qpdd -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Had enough
On Wednesday 09 July 2003 14:39, Mark Haney wrote in an attempt to be witty and informative: click on tools - options - send - and take the check out of reply int he format message was sent in Okay, this only works in Outlook Express. I'm running pure Outlook. Unfortunately I can't run RH completely on my laptop since I've been unable to find a decent replacment for Dreamweaver and can't get the Novell Client from Sourceforge running. I've tried all these options and nothing so far has worked. I AM running an exchange server (300 mailboxes and the IS chews up 1.5GB of RAM) so I may try there. snip 1) Please use appropriate snippage 2) It should be the same for Outlook (which I have used, and remember it being the same, but I could be wrong, last time I used Outlook was in '99, last time I used OE was in 2001), if not exactly the same, it should be similar. It also might not be in the same place. Your best bet is to go through all the config options (with the added benefit of becoming an instant expert in Outlook). -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Wednesday 09 July 2003 14:46, Mark Haney wrote in an attempt to be witty and informative: snip WARNING: Outlook 2000 uses what Microsoft calls Auto Format Reply. Due to the variety of message formats supported by different e-mail clients, Outlook 2000 ensures that e-mail recipients receive replies they can read easily. When users reply to a message, Outlook automatically uses the format of the original message. This is especially frustrating if you receive HTML e-mail and wish to send Plain Text e-mail. To override the default for any individual message, click on the Format menu within the message and choose the desired format. Outlook 2000 lets you select the e-mail format for a mail message in what they call one-off editor switching. You can start a new message in a different format than the standard one by selecting New Mail Message Using from the Actions menu. Outlook doesn't have any way to select the mail format to use when sending mail to a particular recipient when you use the drop-down list on a Contact item or an Address list entry. NOTE: A problem you may encounter when you open an incoming e-mail message, you may see a blank message or three less than symbols () displayed instead of the message text. snip And M$ wonders why people hate them so much. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
But.. remember - you pay for this because it's for your own good and only Uncle Billy know what's good for you - Original Message - From: Joseph A Nagy Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Had enough On Wednesday 09 July 2003 14:46, Mark Haney wrote in an attempt to be witty and informative: snip WARNING: Outlook 2000 uses what Microsoft calls Auto Format Reply. Due to the variety of message formats supported by different e-mail clients, Outlook 2000 ensures that e-mail recipients receive replies they can read easily. When users reply to a message, Outlook automatically uses the format of the original message. This is especially frustrating if you receive HTML e-mail and wish to send Plain Text e-mail. To override the default for any individual message, click on the Format menu within the message and choose the desired format. Outlook 2000 lets you select the e-mail format for a mail message in what they call one-off editor switching. You can start a new message in a different format than the standard one by selecting New Mail Message Using from the Actions menu. Outlook doesn't have any way to select the mail format to use when sending mail to a particular recipient when you use the drop-down list on a Contact item or an Address list entry. NOTE: A problem you may encounter when you open an incoming e-mail message, you may see a blank message or three less than symbols () displayed instead of the message text. snip And M$ wonders why people hate them so much. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
Would recommend locating one of the Outlook/OE groups on usenet ... don't think many here use it... Rene At 20:31 09-07-2003, you wrote: Mark Haney said: Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. I feel for you, bro. I have no insight, but I do have sympathy. Sliante, Richard S. Crawford -- Rene Brehmer aka Metalbunny http://metalbunny.net/ References, tools, and other useful stuff... -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Had enough
Hi Mark, We are drifting slightly off topic here, but if you need a decent mailer under Windows you should try Pegasus mail (http://www.pmail.com). It's the main reason I still keep rebooting between Windows and Linux on this machine. Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 05:17, Mark Haney wrote: Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. Tools = Options = Mail Format = TEXT ONLY -- Thu Jul 10 07:15:00 EST 2003 07:15:00 up 3 days, 8:47, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.05 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * If the enemy is within range, so are you -- Murphy's Military Laws n40 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Had enough
-Original Message- From: Mark Haney Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Had enough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. Although I try to be a good net/list citizen, there are times I do not have the time to convert an html e-mail to text, but I have an answer to someones post. Yes, the initial conversion step is easy... format-plain text, but then I must also re-indent with 's and insure that each line is 80 characters. When I have time to play this conversion game, I do. But sometimes I don't have the time to convert to text (but I have a wuick answer!) and I don't like getting the auto-responder e-mail politely reminding me that I sent an html e-mail. I KNEW THAT WHEN I HIT THE SEND BUTTON So... on the other side of the coin, I've had enough of the auto-responder. I simply wrote an Outlook rule to insure that this sucker ended up in my deleted items folder. Steve Cowles -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
On Wednesday 09 July 2003 04:53 pm, Leonard den Ottolander wrote: Hi Mark, We are drifting slightly off topic here, but if you need a decent mailer under Windows you should try Pegasus mail (http://www.pmail.com). It's the main reason I still keep rebooting between Windows and Linux on this machine. Are you saying you're booting to Windows to get a decent mail client? Because if that's the case, there's a ton of decent mail client in Linux (Kmail, Evolution, Mozilla, mutt, Pine, etc..) RDB -- Reuben D. Budiardja -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Had enough
Okay, I've had it. Does ANYONE know how to turn off replying to HTML emails as HTML in Outlook? I default to text, but when I reply to someone who sent an email in HTML, my reply is in HTML too. And I'm pretty sick of getting the auto-respond from this list about it. Um, I hate to be a jerk, but I guess you didn't read the auto-responder message. I didn't know what to do either, until I actually read the message and followed the link in it. The link had EXACT instructions on how to fix the problem for several email clients, including both Outlook and Outlook Express. Ben -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Had enough
Cowles, Steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I try to be a good net/list citizen, there are times I do not have the time to convert an html e-mail to text, but I have an answer to someones post. Yes, the initial conversion step is easy... format-plain text, but then I must also re-indent with 's and insure that each line is 80 characters. When I have time to play this conversion game, I do. Like I said earlier, OUTLOOK QUOTEFIX! chris. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Had enough
Chris W. Parker wrote: Cowles, Steve wrote: Although I try to be a good net/list citizen, there are times I do not have the time to convert an html e-mail to text, but I have an answer to someones post. Yes, the initial conversion step is easy... format-plain text, but then I must also re-indent with 's and insure that each line is 80 characters. When I have time to play this conversion game, I do. Like I said earlier, OUTLOOK QUOTEFIX! chris. Must have missed your reply out of the 23 in this thread. Anyway, thanks for the referral to Quotefix. When I converted an HTML message to plain text, quotefix kicked in and properly indented the e-mail. Incredible Thanks! Steve Cowles -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Had enough
Cowles, Steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Must have missed your reply out of the 23 in this thread. No problem, I was just giving you a hard time. :) Anyway, thanks for the referral to Quotefix. When I converted an HTML message to plain text, quotefix kicked in and properly indented the e-mail. Incredible Quotefix is totally awesome. I've been using it for a long time now. Chris. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
