Re: [Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Nate Duehr]

On Feb 14, 2010, at 3:23 PM,   wrote:

> Here in Colorado there has been an overwhelming interest especially in the 
> volunteers for served agencies like ARES and RACES. I do have to say that it 
> is very exciting and am very glad I swapped the analog repeater.

Gee, that's funny... the RFP for the D-STAR repeater said 6 ARES groups were 
going to use/operate it.  Don't get me started.  If anyone knows how to get 6 
ARES groups to even agree on what color shirts they're all wearing from a 
photograph, let me know.  

If I ever hear an ARES net that's well-attended (if there ever is an ARES Net 
on that repeater) I'll probably check my thermometer to see if hell froze over 
that day, too.

Be careful, is all I'm saying.  They showed "overwhelming interest" in D-STAR 
too, and they don't actually USE it.

> Your TRBO-6 group is a prime example that you chose to link via Ethernet and 
> not run Full-Duplex links everywhere.

Easy to do with Analog repeaters too... just a nit-pick... analog repeaters CAN 
be narrowband... it's just that far too many stupid people would try to use 
them with their radios set for 5 KHz deviation...

And digital linking for analog machines is a piece of cake, too. And CAN be set 
up right so levels are exactly the same.

You know I'm a digital fan Mike, but just sayin'... all of the "goals" of 
digital can be accomplished with analog.  

There's a few "gee whiz" things like callsign routing on D-STAR and/or text 
messaging on TRBO, plus the (never used) callsign style squelch things... but 
none of those features are wildly "popular" because most of the users just 
don't "get it" anyway...

The vast majority of why hams are interested in both of these technologies is 
that it makes digital "easy"... just like their cell phones.  Mash-to-mumble...

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
n...@natetech.com

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Nate Duehr]

On Feb 14, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Tom Parker wrote:

> Firmware already "upgrades" a NXDN radio to P25, but alas, then it is no 
> longer NXDN.  I don't think you'll ever see P25 and turbo or NXDN in the same 
> box.  Big "M" did remove the XTL1500 from the above price book and put it in 
> the dealer's price sheet last month.  

What specific radio will do both NXDN and P25... and what would firmware loads 
to do both legally, cost?  Carrying a laptop and switching when needed, isn't a 
problem these days.  Would be nice to get dual bang-for-buck, so to speak.

--
Nate Duehr
n...@natetech.com

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Dan Blasberg]

Thanks Mike.

Bookmarked.

Dan

On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:53 AM,
wrote:

>
>
> Sounds good well look for you on the air. By that time you may want  
> to look at the web site to see if there are any more on line. www.rmham.org
>
>
>
> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> 6886 Sage Ave
> Firestone, Co 80504
> 303-736-9693
>
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:26 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for the info, next time I am through your neck of the woods on
> my way to visit family, i will load up your machine in the HT.
>
> Dan
> KA8YPY
>
> On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:00 AM,  
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > Agree with the TDMA upgrade but were not supposed to talk about that
> > now, ha ha.
> >
> > I think most of us who are installing the trbo systems are using
> > color code 1 and some could be using other codes. I think it would
> > be neat if there were a web site that compiled all the systems
> > owners could login and add their information to their prospective
> > users.
> >
> > I am going to keep our system on color code 1 using IPSC IP Site
> > Connect. Slot 1 is for local traffic and slot 2 is for IPSC IP Site
> > Connect.
> >
> >
> > Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> > 6886 Sage Ave
> > Firestone, Co 80504
> > 303-736-9693
> >
> >
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> > [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > ] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
> > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:14 PM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
> >
> >
> > The Phase 2 P25 standard is far from complete.
> >
> > And yes, there are several TDMA "TYPE 2" systems up and working, but
> > none are certified "PHASE 2" P25 systems.
> >
> > I know in our county, the contract written with Motorola includes a
> > statement about upgrading the system to an approved/certified  
> Phase 2
> > system when the standard is complete, at no cost to the county. This
> > not only includes infrustructure, but all of the radios as well.
> >
> > Now, back to the topic at had...MOTOTRBO Amateur SystemsIs
> > everyone leaving the system setting in there respective defaults, or
> > is there some recommendation for settings?
> >
> > Dan
> > KA8YPY
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:40 PM, MCH wrote:
> >
> > > I think the Phase II standard is pretty much a done deal, it  
> will be
> > > TDMA, and there are already Phase II systems on the air.
> > >
> > > Joe M.
> > >
> > > Dan Blasberg wrote:
> > >> P25 phase 2 is indeed supposed to be TDMA, the question is will
> > it be
> > >> Motorola's implementation or another? Just because Motorola comes
> > >> out
> > >> with a system first does not always mean it will be accepted as  
> the
> > >> defacto standard, as was not the case with Motorola VSLEP for  
> their
> > >> 1st digital implementation.
> > >>
> > >> Dan
> > >> KA8YPY
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM,  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> I am aware of the repeaters in Cal and that is awesome. The new
> > APX
> > >>> series radio is TDMA compliant and if past history continues to
> > >>> prevail the TDMA phase 2 P25 will be TDMA.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> > >>> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > >>> ] On Behalf Of Gary
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:38 PM
> > >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > >>> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we
> > have at
> > >>> least 4
> > >>> Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band.
> > >>> There are
> > >>> more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios
> > with
> > >>> interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo
> > >>> activity
> > >>> that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur
> > radio
> > >>> it's
> > >>> become increasingly clear that the system works well and that
> > >>> Motorola is
> > >>> continuing to improve or release features and tools all the  
> time.
> > >>> They
> > >>> really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation
> > of
> > >>> P25 but
> > >>> that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on
> > >>> developing
> > >>> the Mototrbo platform.
> > >>> Gary
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > >>> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Blasberg
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
> > >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike,
> > >>>
> > >>> In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10
> > >>> amateurs playing wi

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[k7pfj]

I don’t think TRBO will be going anywhere anytime soon, as its archature is
like a phase 2 type system.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of j.cherry377
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:49 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

 

  

The plan as I have it is to merge P25 and Trbo into a Tetra Product, for
release in 2012, at which time Turbo will be discontinued and abandoned as
its not true 6.25kc and wont comply with the new 2.5kc standard that all
will have to start adhering to. Trbo takes up 12.5kc though it provides 2
voice paths, its not 6.25kc wide.

My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking about making a
unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They will have
to do it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there
are a lot of people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for
hearing about this. 

A good first step is to design the layout in 12.5 kc steps for each band and
start planning on at least going to 2.5kc deviation around that time..

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

Sounds good well look for you on the air. By that time you may want to look
at the web site to see if there are any more on line. www.rmham.org
 

 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:26 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

Mike,

Thanks for the info, next time I am through your neck of the woods on 
my way to visit family, i will load up your machine in the HT.

Dan
KA8YPY

On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:00 AM, mailto:k7pfj%40skybeam.com>
com> mailto:k7pfj%40skybeam.com> com> 
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Agree with the TDMA upgrade but were not supposed to talk about that 
> now, ha ha.
>
> I think most of us who are installing the trbo systems are using 
> color code 1 and some could be using other codes. I think it would 
> be neat if there were a web site that compiled all the systems 
> owners could login and add their information to their prospective 
> users.
>
> I am going to keep our system on color code 1 using IPSC IP Site 
> Connect. Slot 1 is for local traffic and slot 2 is for IPSC IP Site 
> Connect.
>
>
> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> 6886 Sage Ave
> Firestone, Co 80504
> 303-736-9693
>
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@
 yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:14 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>
>
> The Phase 2 P25 standard is far from complete.
>
> And yes, there are several TDMA "TYPE 2" systems up and working, but
> none are certified "PHASE 2" P25 systems.
>
> I know in our county, the contract written with Motorola includes a
> statement about upgrading the system to an approved/certified Phase 2
> system when the standard is complete, at no cost to the county. This
> not only includes infrustructure, but all of the radios as well.
>
> Now, back to the topic at had...MOTOTRBO Amateur SystemsIs
> everyone leaving the system setting in there respective defaults, or
> is there some recommendation for settings?
>
> Dan
> KA8YPY
>
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:40 PM, MCH wrote:
>
> > I think the Phase II standard is pretty much a done deal, it will be
> > TDMA, and there are already Phase II systems on the air.
> >
> > Joe M.
> >
> > Dan Blasberg wrote:
> >> P25 phase 2 is indeed supposed to be TDMA, the question is will 
> it be
> >> Motorola's implementation or another? Just because Motorola comes
> >> out
> >> with a system first does not always mean it will be accepted as the
> >> defacto standard, as was not the case with Motorola VSLEP for their
> >> 1st digital implementation.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >> KA8YPY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM, mailto:k7pfj%40skybeam.com> com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I am aware of the repeaters in Cal and that is awesome. The new 
> APX
> >>> series radio is TDMA compliant and if past history continues to
> >>> prevail the TDMA phase 2 P25 will be TDMA.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@
 yahoogroups.com
> >>> ] On Behalf Of Gary
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:38 PM
> >>> To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we 
> have at
> >>> least 4
> >>> Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band.
> >>> There are
> >>> more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios 
> with
> >>> interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo
> >>> activity
> >>> that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur 
> radio
> >>> it's
> >>> become increasingly clear that the system works well and that
> >>> Motorola is
> >>> continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time.
> >>> They
> >>> really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation 
> of
> >>> P25 but
> >>> that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on
> >>> developing
> >>> the Mototrbo platform.
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> >>> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan 
> Blasberg
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
> >>> To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[k7pfj]

I see your point, however most hams get their equipment surplus and that
will be happening for some time to come. I was just pointing out a possible
snafu that could arise and thought many may need to know. 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:25 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

 

  

Mike,

I see your point for the commercial side, but how many amateur groups 
are going upgrade firmware on a repeater after it is up and working? 
How many are going to upgrade firmware on a machine that doesn't need 
it before they put it into operation?

But there is plenty of non software equipment still out there that 
will eventually be surplus, and as for the firmware/software upgrade 
to remove 25KHz, I don't see it happening (at least not from Motorola) 
when the manufacturers can make more money selling new equipment as 
opposed to a firmware upgrade.

Just my .02.

Dan
KA8YPY

On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:07 AM, mailto:k7pfj%40skybeam.com>
com> mailto:k7pfj%40skybeam.com> com> 
wrote:

>
>
> Dan, there will be a time when we cant get a wide band commercial 
> repeater that we use for our beloved 25khz analog repeaters anymore. 
> Here in under 2 years when the FCC requires all manufactures to stop 
> building wideband equipment and everyone in the commercial band to 
> be at a 12.5khz emission.
>
> There are rumors floating around that firmware releases for 
> programmable equipment may include the removal of the 25khz option 
> in that equipment. Not good for hams. How would you like to be on a 
> hill top and flash your GE Master 3 or Motorola Quantar or a MTR2000 
> to the latest firmware and find out it will only do 12.5khz. Watch 
> out as the time is coming.
>
>
> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> 6886 Sage Ave
> Firestone, Co 80504
> 303-736-9693
>
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@
 yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:24 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to 
> Tetra
>
>
> Why would anyone have to start talking about a 6.25 Bandplan?
>
> Since naroowbanding does not apply to amateur radio, what makes you
> think any of the equipment manufacturers will make narrowband specific
> equipment?
>
> Yes, FMN is an option on some amateur rigs, but not all. And with the
> narrow band compliance for part 95 and other commercial users, there
> should be no shortage of wide band repeater equipment for years to 
> come.
>
> I'm just asking to see where your perspective is coming from.
>
> Dan
> KA8YPY
>
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:59 PM, lenaw12 wrote:
>
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com, "j.cherry377"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > "...My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking
> > about making a
> > unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They
> > will have to do
> > it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there
> > are a lot of
> > people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing
> > about this..."
> >
> > I can see a band split and reallocation of wider modes into one
> > portion of each ham band with the narrow/digital modes holding court
> > in another.
> >
> > LW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Dan Blasberg]

Mike,

Thanks for the info, next time I am through your neck of the woods on  
my way to visit family, i will load up your machine in the HT.

Dan
KA8YPY


On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:00 AM,
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Agree with the TDMA upgrade but were not supposed to talk about that  
> now, ha ha.
>
> I think most of us who are installing the trbo systems are using  
> color code 1 and some could be using other codes. I think it would  
> be neat if there were a web site that compiled all the systems  
> owners could login and add their information to their prospective  
> users.
>
> I am going to keep our system on color code 1 using IPSC IP Site  
> Connect. Slot 1 is for local traffic and slot 2 is for IPSC IP Site  
> Connect.
>
>
> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> 6886 Sage Ave
> Firestone, Co 80504
> 303-736-9693
>
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:14 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>
>
> The Phase 2 P25 standard is far from complete.
>
> And yes, there are several TDMA "TYPE 2" systems up and working, but
> none are certified "PHASE 2" P25 systems.
>
> I know in our county, the contract written with Motorola includes a
> statement about upgrading the system to an approved/certified Phase 2
> system when the standard is complete, at no cost to the county. This
> not only includes infrustructure, but all of the radios as well.
>
> Now, back to the topic at had...MOTOTRBO Amateur SystemsIs
> everyone leaving the system setting in there respective defaults, or
> is there some recommendation for settings?
>
> Dan
> KA8YPY
>
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:40 PM, MCH wrote:
>
> > I think the Phase II standard is pretty much a done deal, it will be
> > TDMA, and there are already Phase II systems on the air.
> >
> > Joe M.
> >
> > Dan Blasberg wrote:
> >> P25 phase 2 is indeed supposed to be TDMA, the question is will  
> it be
> >> Motorola's implementation or another? Just because Motorola comes
> >> out
> >> with a system first does not always mean it will be accepted as the
> >> defacto standard, as was not the case with Motorola VSLEP for their
> >> 1st digital implementation.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >> KA8YPY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM,  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I am aware of the repeaters in Cal and that is awesome. The new  
> APX
> >>> series radio is TDMA compliant and if past history continues to
> >>> prevail the TDMA phase 2 P25 will be TDMA.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> >>> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>> ] On Behalf Of Gary
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:38 PM
> >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we  
> have at
> >>> least 4
> >>> Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band.
> >>> There are
> >>> more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios  
> with
> >>> interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo
> >>> activity
> >>> that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur  
> radio
> >>> it's
> >>> become increasingly clear that the system works well and that
> >>> Motorola is
> >>> continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time.
> >>> They
> >>> really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation  
> of
> >>> P25 but
> >>> that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on
> >>> developing
> >>> the Mototrbo platform.
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan  
> Blasberg
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
> >>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
> >>>
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10
> >>> amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.
> >>>
> >>> I would be interested to know what other areas are using for  
> setting
> >>> or are they leaving everything in the default setting?
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>> KA8YPY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[Dan Blasberg]

Mike,

I see your point for the commercial side, but how many amateur groups  
are going upgrade firmware on a repeater after it is up and working?   
How many are going to upgrade firmware on a machine that doesn't need  
it before they put it into operation?

But there is plenty of non software equipment still out there that  
will eventually be surplus, and as for the firmware/software upgrade  
to remove 25KHz, I don't see it happening (at least not from Motorola)  
when the manufacturers can make more money selling new equipment as  
opposed to a firmware upgrade.

Just my .02.

Dan
KA8YPY


On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:07 AM,
wrote:

>
>
> Dan, there will be a time when we cant get a wide band commercial  
> repeater that we use for our beloved 25khz analog repeaters anymore.  
> Here in under 2 years when the FCC requires all manufactures to stop  
> building wideband equipment and everyone in the commercial band to  
> be at a 12.5khz emission.
>
> There are rumors floating around that firmware releases for  
> programmable equipment may include the removal of the 25khz option  
> in that equipment. Not good for hams. How would you like to be on a  
> hill top and flash your GE Master 3 or Motorola Quantar or a MTR2000  
> to the latest firmware and find out it will only do 12.5khz. Watch  
> out as the time is coming.
>
>
> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> 6886 Sage Ave
> Firestone, Co 80504
> 303-736-9693
>
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:24 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to  
> Tetra
>
>
> Why would anyone have to start talking about a 6.25 Bandplan?
>
> Since naroowbanding does not apply to amateur radio, what makes you
> think any of the equipment manufacturers will make narrowband specific
> equipment?
>
> Yes, FMN is an option on some amateur rigs, but not all. And with the
> narrow band compliance for part 95 and other commercial users, there
> should be no shortage of wide band repeater equipment for years to  
> come.
>
> I'm just asking to see where your perspective is coming from.
>
> Dan
> KA8YPY
>
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:59 PM, lenaw12 wrote:
>
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "j.cherry377"
> >  wrote:
> >
> > "...My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking
> > about making a
> > unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They
> > will have to do
> > it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there
> > are a lot of
> > people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing
> > about this..."
> >
> > I can see a band split and reallocation of wider modes into one
> > portion of each ham band with the narrow/digital modes holding court
> > in another.
> >
> > LW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group

[k7pfj]

We use many ham and commercial repeaters using the same antennas, but
require the proper filtering. A mobile duplexer is not sutable for what you
are trying to do here. You can get a transmit combiner Hybrid or cavity for
the transmitters and use a receiver multicoupler that has a dual window one
for the ham receive and one for the commercial receive or use a cavity
combiner for the receiver. That was is my preferred method, more isolation
but costs much more.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Merrill
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:30 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group

 

  

I have a very broad band uhf antenna on a tower . I would like to run a 
440 MHz machine and a 462 MHz machine off of the same antenna . Can I 
use a notch type mobile duplexer to combine the 2 machines to 1 ant for 
both TX and RX to notch the respective TX freqs after the duplexers 
that are on the 2 machines .

Merrill
KG4IDD

RE: [Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

AJ do you have a link you can forward.

 

We are working on a 3.4-3.5ghz broadband PTP system and going to build our
own broadband ham network here in Colorado. I will have John keep the web
site up to date on the progress. www.rmham.org  

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AJ
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:05 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM
Mototrbo Systems

 

  

You said Ethernet for links...

Take a peak at the Ubiquity Networks AirGrid line - 24 and 27 dBi parabolic
dish "systems" that integrate the 2.4 & 5.8 GHz radios in to the feedhorn
assembly...

We have a set of demo units (smaller 16 dBi 2.4 GHz units) setup right now,
"hacked" to use the ham portion of the band (2332 MHz if I recall
correctly), running point to point between mountain tops of roughly 25 miles
with usable data rate of around 15 megabit half duplex. 

Each Airgrid unit is suppose to hit the street around $50 for the 16 dBi 2.4
GHz unit; the 27 dBi 5.4/5.8 GHz unit will street for less than $70.

For point to point links that are native IP, I don't see if getting any
cheaper than this...




On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:23 PM, mailto:k7...@skybeam.com>
com> wrote:

  

Hi Mike,

 

Here in Colorado there has been an overwhelming interest especially in the
volunteers for served agencies like ARES and RACES. I do have to say that it
is very exciting and am very glad I swapped the analog repeater. 

 

I think I can echo all repeater owners around the country that there is
about 1 analog repeater to every 5 hams. All you have to do is ask your
local coordinator and he or she will echo the same response. Not only by
going to digital weather it is P25 or TDMA or Dstar we all are advancing the
hobby and being more efficient in the spectrum we occupy. 

 

Your TRBO-6 group is a prime example that you chose to link via Ethernet and
not run Full-Duplex links everywhere. 

 

If I were to build the Oregon Repeater Group over again. Now called the
Oregon Connection.  Linking via Ethernet would have been much less costly
and audio is always the same, no matter how many links that are connected to
a point. 

 

 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@
 yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
wb6wui
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM Mototrbo
Systems

 

  



I have 71 Aliases in my codeplug for the 9 UHF boxes on the TRBO-6 IPSC
Network as of this morning. Seems like I add something everyday, and it's a
bit of a pain keeping for different plugs synced. It is a blast and I must
echo Mike in that the enthusiasm is very high in our growing group.

One of our members, Moni (KC2KRW) went to the Orlando "Hamcation" with his
TRBO repeater mounted in his SUV on a 3/4G broadband card. We did demo's all
day yesterday for many of the groups Moni brought together inside and out in
the tailgate area. Mom should have sponsored this efforts. Check out the
rig. http://www.kc2krw. 
com/kc2krw/XPR8300.html Moni drove 180 miles to the Hamfest and never was
out of his coverage area. ;-)

-- Mike, WB6WUI, Mazama, WA

--- In Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

> There are currently about 50 radios that have the ham systems programmed
> into their radios. I would say that there will by the end of next month,
> there should be 50 or so hams that have radios in the Colorado area. The
> emails are flying around this area on how to acquire radios and get on the
> systems etc.

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[k7pfj]

Dan, there will be a time when we cant get a wide band commercial repeater
that we use for our beloved 25khz analog repeaters anymore. Here in under 2
years when the FCC requires all manufactures to stop building wideband
equipment and everyone in the commercial band to be at a 12.5khz emission. 

 

There are rumors floating around that firmware releases for programmable
equipment may include the removal of the 25khz option in that equipment. Not
good for hams. How would you like to be on a hill top and flash your GE
Master 3 or Motorola Quantar or a MTR2000 to the latest firmware and find
out it will only do 12.5khz. Watch out as the time is coming.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:24 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

 

  

Why would anyone have to start talking about a 6.25 Bandplan?

Since naroowbanding does not apply to amateur radio, what makes you 
think any of the equipment manufacturers will make narrowband specific 
equipment?

Yes, FMN is an option on some amateur rigs, but not all. And with the 
narrow band compliance for part 95 and other commercial users, there 
should be no shortage of wide band repeater equipment for years to come.

I'm just asking to see where your perspective is coming from.

Dan
KA8YPY

On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:59 PM, lenaw12 wrote:

> --- In Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com, "j.cherry377" 
>  wrote:
>
> "...My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking 
> about making a
> unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They 
> will have to do
> it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there 
> are a lot of
> people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing 
> about this..."
>
> I can see a band split and reallocation of wider modes into one 
> portion of each ham band with the narrow/digital modes holding court 
> in another.
>
> LW
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

[AJ]

You said Ethernet for links...

Take a peak at the Ubiquity Networks AirGrid line - 24 and 27 dBi parabolic
dish "systems" that integrate the 2.4 & 5.8 GHz radios in to the feedhorn
assembly...

We have a set of demo units (smaller 16 dBi 2.4 GHz units) setup right now,
"hacked" to use the ham portion of the band (2332 MHz if I recall
correctly), running point to point between mountain tops of roughly 25 miles
with usable data rate of around 15 megabit half duplex.

Each Airgrid unit is suppose to hit the street around $50 for the 16 dBi 2.4
GHz unit; the 27 dBi 5.4/5.8 GHz unit will street for less than $70.

For point to point links that are native IP, I don't see if getting any
cheaper than this...



On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:23 PM,  wrote:

>
>
>  Hi Mike,
>
>
>
> Here in Colorado there has been an overwhelming interest especially in the
> volunteers for served agencies like ARES and RACES. I do have to say that it
> is very exciting and am very glad I swapped the analog repeater.
>
>
>
> I think I can echo all repeater owners around the country that there is
> about 1 analog repeater to every 5 hams. All you have to do is ask your
> local coordinator and he or she will echo the same response. Not only by
> going to digital weather it is P25 or TDMA or Dstar we all are advancing the
> hobby and being more efficient in the spectrum we occupy.
>
>
>
> Your TRBO-6 group is a prime example that you chose to link via Ethernet
> and not run Full-Duplex links everywhere.
>
>
>
> If I were to build the Oregon Repeater Group over again. Now called the
> Oregon Connection.  Linking via Ethernet would have been much less costly
> and audio is always the same, no matter how many links that are connected to
> a point.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
>
> 6886 Sage Ave
>
> Firestone, Co 80504
>
> 303-736-9693
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *wb6wui
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM
> Mototrbo Systems
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have 71 Aliases in my codeplug for the 9 UHF boxes on the TRBO-6 IPSC
> Network as of this morning. Seems like I add something everyday, and it's a
> bit of a pain keeping for different plugs synced. It is a blast and I must
> echo Mike in that the enthusiasm is very high in our growing group.
>
> One of our members, Moni (KC2KRW) went to the Orlando "Hamcation" with his
> TRBO repeater mounted in his SUV on a 3/4G broadband card. We did demo's all
> day yesterday for many of the groups Moni brought together inside and out in
> the tailgate area. Mom should have sponsored this efforts. Check out the
> rig. http://www.kc2krw.com/kc2krw/XPR8300.html Moni drove 180 miles to the
> Hamfest and never was out of his coverage area. ;-)
>
> -- Mike, WB6WUI, Mazama, WA
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com,
>  wrote:
>
> > There are currently about 50 radios that have the ham systems programmed
> > into their radios. I would say that there will by the end of next month,
> > there should be 50 or so hams that have radios in the Colorado area. The
> > emails are flying around this area on how to acquire radios and get on
> the
> > systems etc.
>   
>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

Hi Dan,

 

Agree with the TDMA upgrade but were not supposed to talk about that now, ha
ha. 

 

I think most of us who are installing the trbo systems are using color code
1 and some could be using other codes. I think it would be neat if there
were a web site that compiled all the systems owners could login and add
their information to their prospective users. 

 

I am going to keep our system on color code 1 using IPSC IP Site Connect.
Slot 1 is for local traffic and slot 2 is for IPSC IP Site Connect.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:14 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

The Phase 2 P25 standard is far from complete.

And yes, there are several TDMA "TYPE 2" systems up and working, but 
none are certified "PHASE 2" P25 systems.

I know in our county, the contract written with Motorola includes a 
statement about upgrading the system to an approved/certified Phase 2 
system when the standard is complete, at no cost to the county. This 
not only includes infrustructure, but all of the radios as well.

Now, back to the topic at had...MOTOTRBO Amateur SystemsIs 
everyone leaving the system setting in there respective defaults, or 
is there some recommendation for settings?

Dan
KA8YPY

On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:40 PM, MCH wrote:

> I think the Phase II standard is pretty much a done deal, it will be
> TDMA, and there are already Phase II systems on the air.
>
> Joe M.
>
> Dan Blasberg wrote:
>> P25 phase 2 is indeed supposed to be TDMA, the question is will it be
>> Motorola's implementation or another? Just because Motorola comes 
>> out
>> with a system first does not always mean it will be accepted as the
>> defacto standard, as was not the case with Motorola VSLEP for their
>> 1st digital implementation.
>>
>> Dan
>> KA8YPY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM, mailto:k7pfj%40skybeam.com>
com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am aware of the repeaters in Cal and that is awesome. The new APX
>>> series radio is TDMA compliant and if past history continues to
>>> prevail the TDMA phase 2 P25 will be TDMA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@
 yahoogroups.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of Gary
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:38 PM
>>> To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>>>
>>>
>>> Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we have at
>>> least 4
>>> Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band.
>>> There are
>>> more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios with
>>> interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo
>>> activity
>>> that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur radio
>>> it's
>>> become increasingly clear that the system works well and that
>>> Motorola is
>>> continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time. 
>>> They
>>> really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation of
>>> P25 but
>>> that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on
>>> developing
>>> the Mototrbo platform.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
>>> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
>>> To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10
>>> amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.
>>>
>>> I would be interested to know what other areas are using for setting
>>> or are they leaving everything in the default setting?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> KA8YPY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[k7pfj]

Most coordinators are already trying to convert a part of their band plan to
accommodate digital technology. The FDMA 6.25khz equipment is a good system,
however I cant see a ham group buy into the NXDN system to get 2 channels. I
think that it will be some time before the ham bands go all the way to the
6.25khz digital unless they install a Mototrbo system. 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lenaw12
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:00 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

 

  

--- In Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com, "j.cherry377"  wrote:

"...My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking about making
a
unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They will have
to do
it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there are a
lot of
people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing about
this..."

I can see a band split and reallocation of wider modes into one portion of
each ham band with the narrow/digital modes holding court in another.

LW

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[Dan Blasberg]

Why would anyone have to start talking about a 6.25 Bandplan?

Since naroowbanding does not apply to amateur radio, what makes you  
think any of the equipment manufacturers will make narrowband specific  
equipment?

Yes, FMN is an option on some amateur rigs, but not all.  And with the  
narrow band compliance for part 95 and other commercial users, there  
should be no shortage of wide band repeater equipment for years to come.

I'm just asking to see where your perspective is coming from.

Dan
KA8YPY


On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:59 PM, lenaw12 wrote:

> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "j.cherry377"  
>  wrote:
>
> "...My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking  
> about making a
> unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They  
> will have to do
> it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there  
> are a lot of
> people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing  
> about this..."
>
> I can see a band split and reallocation of wider modes into one  
> portion of each ham band with the narrow/digital modes holding court  
> in another.
>
> LW
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[MCH]

A nationwide bandplan? LOL!!! Good one! ROFLMAO

It couldn't be done with just NBFM. What makes you think it can be done 
with the new mix of modes and bandwidths that will be the "flavor of the 
week"?

Seriously, the minority of hams have NB equipment and don't care to change.

The solution will be repeaters that can handle multi-mode *IF* more 
modes are what we need.

Like was just posted - why bother trying to emulate networks that fail 
when we have proven, reliable communications systems that everyone can 
use today? We should build on our strengths, not on the weaknesses of 
others.

Joe M.

lenaw12 wrote:
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "j.cherry377"  
> wrote:
> 
> "...My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking about making a
> unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They will have to 
> do
> it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there are a lot 
> of
> people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing about 
> this..."
> 
> I can see a band split and reallocation of wider modes into one portion of 
> each ham band with the narrow/digital modes holding court in another.
> 
> LW
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2688 - Release Date: 02/14/10 
> 14:35:00
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Dan Blasberg]

The Phase 2 P25 standard is far from complete.

And yes, there are several TDMA "TYPE 2" systems up and working, but  
none are certified "PHASE 2" P25 systems.

I know in our county, the contract written with Motorola includes a  
statement about upgrading the system to an approved/certified Phase 2  
system when the standard is complete, at no cost to the county.  This  
not only includes infrustructure, but all of the radios as well.

Now, back to the topic at had...MOTOTRBO Amateur SystemsIs  
everyone leaving the system setting in there respective defaults, or  
is there some recommendation for settings?

Dan
KA8YPY


On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:40 PM, MCH wrote:

> I think the Phase II standard is pretty much a done deal, it will be
> TDMA, and there are already Phase II systems on the air.
>
> Joe M.
>
> Dan Blasberg wrote:
>> P25 phase 2 is indeed supposed to be TDMA, the question is will it be
>> Motorola's implementation or another?  Just because Motorola comes  
>> out
>> with a system first does not always mean it will be accepted as the
>> defacto standard, as was not the case with Motorola VSLEP for their
>> 1st digital implementation.
>>
>> Dan
>> KA8YPY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I am aware of the repeaters in Cal and that is awesome. The new APX
>>> series radio is TDMA compliant and if past history continues to
>>> prevail the TDMA phase 2 P25 will be TDMA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>>> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of Gary
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:38 PM
>>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>>>
>>>
>>> Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we have at
>>> least 4
>>> Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band.
>>> There are
>>> more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios with
>>> interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo
>>> activity
>>> that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur radio
>>> it's
>>> become increasingly clear that the system works well and that
>>> Motorola is
>>> continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time.  
>>> They
>>> really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation of
>>> P25 but
>>> that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on
>>> developing
>>> the Mototrbo platform.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
>>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10
>>> amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.
>>>
>>> I would be interested to know what other areas are using for setting
>>> or are they leaving everything in the default setting?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> KA8YPY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[lenaw12]

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "j.cherry377"  wrote:

"...My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking about making a
unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They will have to do
it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there are a lot of
people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing about 
this..."

I can see a band split and reallocation of wider modes into one portion of each 
ham band with the narrow/digital modes holding court in another.

LW

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[David Struebel]

Why should the hams change at all?  What is the driving force to make this 
change in amateur radio? More repeaters, more users??... Even in the major 
metro areas with all the supposedly available 2 meter pairs spoken for you can 
go for days without hearing anything on these machines other than its ID.  The 
demand and use of repeaters is quite different than that of 30 some years ago 
and a lot of that has to do with the influx of available, cheap and wide 
coverage cell phone service and the internet..  Likewise when was the last time 
you heard an autopatch?

The status on 440 and 220 is not that much different... 440 is suffering in 
many area from Pave Paws and 220 is probably not as used due to the rarity of  
equipment for this band, both transceivers and either off the shelf or easily 
converted commercial repeaters.

Where the growth appears to be now is on 900 Mhz... No
ready made "amateur" equipment but a lot of cheap commercial gear easily 
converted to ham use, if you ignore the band plan that the ARRL still claims is 
valid and use a 25 Mhz split which most of the commercial equipment will easily 
 operate. Hey and it's already "narrow" band.
As long as you don't mind the baby monitors and after all don't we now have the 
primary allocation there?

My two cents worth...

Dave WB2FTX
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andrew Seybold 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:59 PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra




  Well-there are several companies which are making 12.5 KHz conversion kits 
for Mastr II's and other radios, where are not type accepted for commercial 
service but can be used for ham service, the big issue to me is that the 
commercial community has years to prepare for 12.5 Hz narrow banding (below 512 
MHz) and the vendors have been building systems capable of both wide band and 
narrow band use for many years. How long will it take to get these same vendors 
to start providing both 25 and 12.5 and then 6. 25 KHz radios for ham service? 
You cannot expect hams to simply dump their existing radios and buy new 
ones-public safety and LMR operators have had a lot of time to prepare so we 
should have the same option.



  The bad news is that wide band commercial radios are going to be plentiful 
and cheap in the next few years as commercial operators are forced to change to 
12. 5 KHz channels, it would make more sense for us to be able to take 
advantage of these WB radios and stay wideband for a few more years than race 
to keep up the LMR folks.



  Andy

  W6AMS



  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of j.cherry377
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:49 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra





  The plan as I have it is to merge P25 and Trbo into a Tetra Product, for 
release in 2012, at which time Turbo will be discontinued and abandoned as its 
not true 6.25kc and wont comply with the new 2.5kc standard that all will have 
to start adhering to. Trbo takes up 12.5kc though it provides 2 voice paths, 
its not 6.25kc wide.

  My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking about making a 
unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They will have to 
do it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there are a 
lot of people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing about 
this. 

  A good first step is to design the layout in 12.5 kc steps for each band and 
start planning on at least going to 2.5kc deviation around that time..



  


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RE: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[Eric Lemmon]

Kevin,

Not to worry.  The great advantage of a switching power supply is that it
will operate on any AC or DC input, of any frequency or waveform.  A linear
power supply, in stark contrast, must be designed for the particular input
voltage, frequency, and waveshape.  The CATV power supplies are probably
switchers, for precisely that reason.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Custer
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:43 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

  

Eric Lemmon wrote:
> AJ,
>
> The obvious solution is to connect a commercial switching power supply-
> definitely NOT a linear supply- across the AC source. Most Samlex, Astron,
> and DuraComm switchers can work wonders in such an environment, where
> conventional linear power supplies will surely fail. Don't use a larger
> (higher capacity) power supply than you really need; in this case, larger
is
> not better!

Be careful here... The output of a CATV power supply is not a sine 
wave. I'm not sure how these commercial switchers would react to the AC 
available from the CATV line. Certainly while switching supplies are 
used in the CATV industry to power the amplifiers, nodes, and telemetry, 
I don't know if they are made exactly like the ones fed from commercial AC.

It would be much better if he uses a power supply intended to be 
connected to the CATV line. These can be scavenged from working surplus 
CATV equipment. Several of the ones I'm familiar with can supply an amp 
or two at 24 VDC, and that used to feed a regulator or charging circuit 
for 12 volts.

Kevin

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[Andrew Seybold]

Well-there are several companies which are making 12.5 KHz conversion kits for 
Mastr II's and other radios, where are not type accepted for commercial service 
but can be used for ham service, the big issue to me is that the commercial 
community has years to prepare for 12.5 Hz narrow banding (below 512 MHz) and 
the vendors have been building systems capable of both wide band and narrow 
band use for many years. How long will it take to get these same vendors to 
start providing both 25 and 12.5 and then 6. 25 KHz radios for ham service? You 
cannot expect hams to simply dump their existing radios and buy new ones-public 
safety and LMR operators have had a lot of time to prepare so we should have 
the same option.

 

The bad news is that wide band commercial radios are going to be plentiful and 
cheap in the next few years as commercial operators are forced to change to 12. 
5 KHz channels, it would make more sense for us to be able to take advantage of 
these WB radios and stay wideband for a few more years than race to keep up the 
LMR folks.

 

Andy

W6AMS

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of j.cherry377
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:49 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

 

  

The plan as I have it is to merge P25 and Trbo into a Tetra Product, for 
release in 2012, at which time Turbo will be discontinued and abandoned as its 
not true 6.25kc and wont comply with the new 2.5kc standard that all will have 
to start adhering to. Trbo takes up 12.5kc though it provides 2 voice paths, 
its not 6.25kc wide.

My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking about making a 
unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They will have to 
do it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there are a 
lot of people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing about 
this. 

A good first step is to design the layout in 12.5 kc steps for each band and 
start planning on at least going to 2.5kc deviation around that time..

[Repeater-Builder] Trbo to be DOA 2012 Say Hello to Tetra

[j.cherry377]

The plan as I have it is to merge P25 and Trbo into a Tetra Product, for 
release in 2012, at which time Turbo will be discontinued and abandoned as its 
not true 6.25kc and wont comply with the new 2.5kc standard that all will have 
to start adhering to. Trbo takes up 12.5kc though it provides 2 voice paths, 
its not 6.25kc wide.

My question is when will the 440 and 2m bands start talking about making a 
unified 6.25 kc divisible bandplan and apply it nationwide? They will have to 
do it so might as well get started talking about it. I know that there are a 
lot of people with 25/30 kc radios that are not going to care for hearing about 
this. 

A good first step is to design the layout in 12.5 kc steps for each band and 
start planning on at least going to 2.5kc deviation around that time..

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[MCH]

I think the Phase II standard is pretty much a done deal, it will be 
TDMA, and there are already Phase II systems on the air.

Joe M.

Dan Blasberg wrote:
> P25 phase 2 is indeed supposed to be TDMA, the question is will it be  
> Motorola's implementation or another?  Just because Motorola comes out  
> with a system first does not always mean it will be accepted as the  
> defacto standard, as was not the case with Motorola VSLEP for their  
> 1st digital implementation.
> 
> Dan
> KA8YPY
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM,  wrote:
> 
>>
>> I am aware of the repeaters in Cal and that is awesome. The new APX  
>> series radio is TDMA compliant and if past history continues to  
>> prevail the TDMA phase 2 P25 will be TDMA.
>>
>>
>> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Gary
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:38 PM
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>>
>>
>> Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we have at  
>> least 4
>> Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band.  
>> There are
>> more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios with
>> interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo  
>> activity
>> that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur radio  
>> it's
>> become increasingly clear that the system works well and that  
>> Motorola is
>> continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time. They
>> really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation of  
>> P25 but
>> that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on  
>> developing
>> the Mototrbo platform.
>> Gary
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10
>> amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.
>>
>> I would be interested to know what other areas are using for setting
>> or are they leaving everything in the default setting?
>>
>> Dan
>> KA8YPY
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Daniels Electronics MT-3 Lowband Radios on 6 meters?

[j.cherry377]

Bet they didnt mention that the power amps they used on the project were not 
theirs and that they suffered from self-regeneration oscillation, that took 
three re-heats to correct... They used the Milcom successors whats their name..

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[Kevin Custer]

Eric Lemmon wrote:
> AJ,
>
> The obvious solution is to connect a commercial switching power supply-
> definitely NOT a linear supply- across the AC source.  Most Samlex, Astron,
> and DuraComm switchers can work wonders in such an environment, where
> conventional linear power supplies will surely fail.  Don't use a larger
> (higher capacity) power supply than you really need; in this case, larger is
> not better!

Be careful here...   The output of a CATV power supply is not a sine 
wave.  I'm not sure how these commercial switchers would react to the AC 
available from the CATV line.  Certainly while switching supplies are 
used in the CATV industry to power the amplifiers, nodes, and telemetry, 
I don't know if they are made exactly like the ones fed from commercial AC.

It would be much better if he uses a power supply intended to be 
connected to the CATV line.  These can be scavenged from working surplus 
CATV equipment.  Several of the ones I'm familiar with can supply an amp 
or two at 24 VDC, and that used to feed a regulator or charging circuit 
for 12 volts.

Kevin

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[Kevin Custer]

AJ wrote:



We've been given the opportunity to setup a remote receiver at the end 
of local local cable television provider's plant on the hill to help 
with coverage. Powering is the only issue we're running in to - 
currently the only power available within 6 pole spans is the 90 V AC 
plant power across the CATV coax. They've offered to cut in a power 
inserter at this location to feed up to 4 amps of 90 VAC to us 
(roughly 85 VAC at that point in the plant) - what is out there for a 
reasonable cost effective solution to convert this to 12 VDC?


This stub of plant does not have RF across it, nor will it any time 
soon (RF removed when fiber backbone was overlashed on the same pole 
line). Our first concern was leakage but that shouldn't be an issue.


Build new coax plant as close to the desired location as possible.  Have 
the CATV company feed this coax with the power inserter.  The power 
inserter will allow the extraction of power without upsetting the RF if 
it is ever re-activated.  Have the lineman cut in an old CATV amplifier 
housing with a mating power pack at the end of the coax line. Use the 
power supply module (power pack) inside the amplifier to convert the 
available AC to 24 volts DC.  Then, use a regulator to cut the 24 down 
to 12.  Obtain a few spares of the power pack so when lightning does its 
thing, you can get it back up and going.


Another option to continuing the coax plant is to have them cut in the 
power inserter and then run some kind of power line (duplex cable) and 
use this line to feed a CATV power pack housed in a weather proof box.  
You can make the AC go much farther then the DC.


I had a ham remote receiver location work for many years using this 
principal.  The power availability wasn't nearly as substantial as what 
you have.  I was at the end of the line in a 60 volt plant.  Nearest 
power supply was 2 miles away and it fed the microwave receive site on 
the same tower I was on.  I had to be careful not to drag the AC down 
too far or the receive site would go out.  Available AC was about 45 
volts and I used it to supply a CATV amplifier switching power pack (24 
VDC out).  The 24 volts fed a home brew charging circuit to trickle 
charge a 12 volt SLA battery.  Since the duty cycle was relatively low, 
there was plenty of time to recharge the battery after use.  The 
charging circuit was limited so even if the battery was stone dead, it 
wouldn't load the line too much that it outened the CATV microwave site.


Kevin

[Repeater-Builder] Question for the group

[Merrill]

I have a very broad band uhf antenna on a tower . I would like to run a 
440 MHz machine and a 462 MHz machine off of the same antenna . Can I 
use a notch type mobile duplexer to combine the 2 machines to 1 ant  for 
both  TX and RX  to notch the respective TX freqs  after the duplexers 
that are on the 2 machines   .

Merrill
KG4IDD

[Repeater-Builder] For Sale: Andrew F2PNM (Ver2) N Male connectors for HELIAX FSJ2-50 Coaxial Cable

[Joe]

I have 8 new, in the box and sealed in plastic, F2PNM connectors for 
sale.  This is for the popular 3/8" Superflex cable that some use for 
jumpers.  $7 each or all 8 for $50, plus shipping.  The boxes are 
slightly shop-worn.

73, Joe, K1ike

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT Kenwood TM-3530A T Tones

[ka9qjg]

Yes ,  I saw that  and took off the Mic , Maybe the older Kenwood did not
supply the Voltage for that . But  when I push the TT Pad on the Radio

 

 I can hear the Tones  coming out of the Int Speaker But not  Mixing in with
the Audio out of the Transmitter . There is an adjustment to turn that up
but that still only comes out of the Speaker 

 

Lots of Snow in N/W Indiana and I did not  want to drive out to the Repeater
site . and I just wanted to send the tones to the controller . 

 

Thanks for all the thoughts but since this is somewhat off topic I will
check the Ser Manual 

 

Thanks Don 

 

 

  


Joe is right on the money... the front panel of the TM-3530 
becomes a DMTF Pad in the Transmit Mode. 
s. 

> MCH  wrote:
>
> Did you try using the keys on the front of the radio as the TTP? I think 
> they still did that on that model and they don't have to be in a memory.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> ka9qjg1 wrote:
> > I have an Old Kenwood TM-3530A 220 Radio I need to be able to send TT To
work on My Repeater Controller 
> > 
> > The radio works fine I have a TT Kenwood Mic Good Audio but NO TT , I
took it apart and cleaned Everything and Still No TT , 
> > 
> > So I tried the Mic on My Kenwood TS-2000 Audio and TT Works fine. 
> > 
> > I downloaded the Manual and see that this Radio is the Same as 
> > TM-2570, TM-2550, TM-5550 E
> > And TM-2530A
> > 
> > I found that even without a TT Mic the Radio has built in TT Pad and
Numbers can be stored in Mem I do not Hear any TT When I press them either .
but I can hear them from the int Speaker but not in the Carrier . 
> > 
> > I did the Adjustments to increase them but nothing is heard any Thoughts
on this would be greatly appreciated 
> > 
> > Thanks Don
> > 
> > KA9QJG 
> > 
> > 
> > 



 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

[skipp025]

> Just because Motorola comes out with a system first does 
> not always mean it will be accepted as the de-facto standard, 

Normally you'd want to think the above is true... 

You should see the line of Borg (event attendees) waiting to 
get into the IWCE Motorola Displays. Almost in-line pushing 
and shoving at the first Mototrbo Displays. 

> as was not the case with Motorola VSLEP for their  
> 1st digital implementation.

Bison are not exclusive to stampeding over a cliff. 

s. 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT Kenwood TM-3530A T Tones

[skipp025]

Joe is right on the money... the front panel of the TM-3530 
becomes a DMTF Pad in the Transmit Mode. 
s. 

> MCH  wrote:
>
> Did you try using the keys on the front of the radio as the TTP? I think 
> they still did that on that model and they don't have to be in a memory.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> ka9qjg1 wrote:
> > I have an Old Kenwood TM-3530A 220 Radio I need to be able to send TT To 
> > work on My Repeater Controller 
> > 
> > The radio works fine I have a TT Kenwood Mic Good Audio but NO TT , I took 
> > it apart and cleaned Everything and Still No TT , 
> > 
> > So I tried the Mic on My Kenwood TS-2000 Audio and TT Works fine. 
> > 
> > I downloaded the Manual and see that this Radio is the Same as 
> > TM-2570, TM-2550, TM-5550 E
> > And TM-2530A
> > 
> > I found that even without a TT Mic the Radio has built in TT Pad and 
> > Numbers can be stored in Mem I do not Hear any TT When I press them either 
> > . but I can hear them from the int Speaker but not  in the Carrier . 
> > 
> > I did the Adjustments to increase them but nothing is heard any Thoughts on 
> > this would be greatly appreciated 
> > 
> > Thanks Don
> > 
> > KA9QJG 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Dan Blasberg]

P25 phase 2 is indeed supposed to be TDMA, the question is will it be  
Motorola's implementation or another?  Just because Motorola comes out  
with a system first does not always mean it will be accepted as the  
defacto standard, as was not the case with Motorola VSLEP for their  
1st digital implementation.

Dan
KA8YPY



On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:14 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> I am aware of the repeaters in Cal and that is awesome. The new APX  
> series radio is TDMA compliant and if past history continues to  
> prevail the TDMA phase 2 P25 will be TDMA.
>
>
> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
>
>
>
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Gary
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:38 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>
>
> Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we have at  
> least 4
> Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band.  
> There are
> more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios with
> interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo  
> activity
> that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur radio  
> it's
> become increasingly clear that the system works well and that  
> Motorola is
> continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time. They
> really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation of  
> P25 but
> that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on  
> developing
> the Mototrbo platform.
> Gary
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
>
> Mike,
>
> In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10
> amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.
>
> I would be interested to know what other areas are using for setting
> or are they leaving everything in the default setting?
>
> Dan
> KA8YPY
>
>
>
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

Hi Glen,

 

Go to www.yahoo.com/groups and search for the MT-USA group and register
their. Mike WB6WUI will most likely email a welcome letter back to you and
you can get the information your looking for.

 

 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of w...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:00 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

I carry a Trbo daily for work with analog amateur in it. I have installed
both standalone and IP connect repeaters at our sites. I can't find info on
"Trbo-6". Are many amateur Trbo repeaters connected? I would love to put on
in place and connect it.

 

Glenn

W8AK

 

In a message dated 2/14/2010 3:42:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
n6...@cox.net writes:

  

Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we have at least 4
Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band. There are
more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios with
interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo activity
that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur radio it's
become increasingly clear that the system works well and that Motorola is
continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time. They
really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation of P25 but
that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on developing
the Mototrbo platform.
Gary

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

Mike,

In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10 
amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.

I would be interested to know what other areas are using for setting 
or are they leaving everything in the default setting?

Dan
KA8YPY

RE: [Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

Hi Mike,

 

Here in Colorado there has been an overwhelming interest especially in the
volunteers for served agencies like ARES and RACES. I do have to say that it
is very exciting and am very glad I swapped the analog repeater. 

 

I think I can echo all repeater owners around the country that there is
about 1 analog repeater to every 5 hams. All you have to do is ask your
local coordinator and he or she will echo the same response. Not only by
going to digital weather it is P25 or TDMA or Dstar we all are advancing the
hobby and being more efficient in the spectrum we occupy. 

 

Your TRBO-6 group is a prime example that you chose to link via Ethernet and
not run Full-Duplex links everywhere. 

 

If I were to build the Oregon Repeater Group over again. Now called the
Oregon Connection.  Linking via Ethernet would have been much less costly
and audio is always the same, no matter how many links that are connected to
a point. 

 

 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wb6wui
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM Mototrbo
Systems

 

  



I have 71 Aliases in my codeplug for the 9 UHF boxes on the TRBO-6 IPSC
Network as of this morning. Seems like I add something everyday, and it's a
bit of a pain keeping for different plugs synced. It is a blast and I must
echo Mike in that the enthusiasm is very high in our growing group.

One of our members, Moni (KC2KRW) went to the Orlando "Hamcation" with his
TRBO repeater mounted in his SUV on a 3/4G broadband card. We did demo's all
day yesterday for many of the groups Moni brought together inside and out in
the tailgate area. Mom should have sponsored this efforts. Check out the
rig. http://www.kc2krw. 
com/kc2krw/XPR8300.html Moni drove 180 miles to the Hamfest and never was
out of his coverage area. ;-)

-- Mike, WB6WUI, Mazama, WA

--- In Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

> There are currently about 50 radios that have the ham systems programmed
> into their radios. I would say that there will by the end of next month,
> there should be 50 or so hams that have radios in the Colorado area. The
> emails are flying around this area on how to acquire radios and get on the
> systems etc.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

I am aware of the repeaters in Cal and that is awesome. The new APX series
radio is TDMA compliant and if past history continues to prevail the TDMA
phase 2 P25 will be TDMA.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:38 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we have at least 4
Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band. There are
more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios with
interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo activity
that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur radio it's
become increasingly clear that the system works well and that Motorola is
continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time. They
really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation of P25 but
that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on developing
the Mototrbo platform.
Gary

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

Mike,

In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10 
amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.

I would be interested to know what other areas are using for setting 
or are they leaving everything in the default setting?

Dan
KA8YPY

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

HYT will offer it at the IWCE this year and will get broshures and info for the 
new web site.

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gareth Bennett
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:30 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

  

The Vertex MotoTrbo product is just a re-badged and watered down Motorola 
product and nothing more. No point re-inventing the wheel for the big M, and 
also they need to compromise in the marketplace, without upsetting their 
Motorola Sales/Dealers.

HYT will be the ones to watch as their gear is Trbo backwards compatible.

 

Cheers

 

Gareth Bennett

- Original Message - 

From: Mark   

To: Repeater-Builder@  yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:26 AM

Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

I think it will be interesting to see whether Motorola expands/offers MotoTrbo 
to the Vertex/Standard/Yaesu radios, now that they have ownership in 
Vertex/Standard.

IMHO, adding MotoTrbo options to the Yaesu line would be one “easy, quick and 
dirty” way to attempt to wrest digital away from Icom/D-STAR.

This could get to be very interesting…

Mark – N9WYS

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of John Crockett




Eric:

Back here in the Southeast there are two UHF MotoTrbo repeaters being 
coordinated in the Charlotte, NC area. It will be interesting if this digital 
technology will take off. In SC we have enough D-Star repeaters to cover the 
state, but the number of users is low. It will take a long time before it is 
viable as a parallel statewide communications system. Analog FM is still the 
back bone of our statewide communications system and it will be for years to 
come. www.scheart.  us The question in the back of my 
mind is. Is MotoTrbo the digital technology that will leap frog D-Star? I guess 
we can stay tuned for the outcome!


 

John, 

KC4YI

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

Word has it that later this year there will be P25 flash for the trbo radio
but will work on both from what I hear. My 2 cents as well.

 

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:55 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

Firmware already "upgrades" a NXDN radio to P25, but alas, then it is no
longer NXDN.  I don't think you'll ever see P25 and turbo or NXDN in the
same box.  Big "M" did remove the XTL1500 from the above price book and put
it in the dealer's price sheet last month.  

my 2 cents

MCH wrote: 

  

And all of them could add P25 so you would have a common digital format.

Joe M.

Mark wrote:
> 
> 
> I think it will be interesting to see whether Motorola expands/offers 
> MotoTrbo to the Vertex/Standard/Yaesu radios, now that they have 
> ownership in Vertex/Standard.
> 
> 
> 
> IMHO, adding MotoTrbo options to the Yaesu line would be one "easy, 
> quick and dirty" way to attempt to wrest digital away from Icom/D-STAR.
> 
> 
> 
> This could get to be very interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com *On Behalf Of *John Crockett
> 
> Eric:
> 
> 
> 
> Back here in the Southeast there are two UHF MotoTrbo repeaters being 
> coordinated in the Charlotte, NC area. It will be interesting if this 
> digital technology will take off. In SC we have enough D-Star repeaters 
> to cover the state, but the number of users is low. It will take a long 
> time before it is viable as a parallel statewide communications system. 
> Analog FM is still the back bone of our statewide communications system 
> and it will be for years to come. www.scheart.us 
>  us/> The question in the
back of my mind is. Is 
> MotoTrbo the digital technology that will leap frog D-Star? I guess we 
> can stay tuned for the outcome!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> KC4YI
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[w8ak]

I carry a Trbo daily for work with analog amateur in it. I have installed  
both standalone and IP connect repeaters at our sites. I can't find info on  
"Trbo-6". Are many amateur Trbo repeaters connected? I would love to put on 
in  place and connect it.
 
Glenn
W8AK
 
 
In a message dated 2/14/2010 3:42:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
n6...@cox.net writes:

 
 
 
Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we have at least  
4
Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band. There  are
more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios  with
interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo  activity
that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur  radio it's
become increasingly clear that the system works well and that  Motorola is
continuing to improve or release features and tools all the  time. They
really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation  of P25 but
that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on  developing
the Mototrbo platform.
Gary

-Original  Message-
From: _repeater-buil...@repeater-buirep_ 
(mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com) 
[mailto:_repeater-buil...@repeater-buirep_ 
(mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
To:  _repeater-buil...@repeater-buirep_ 
(mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

Mike,

In the DC area  there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10 
amateurs playing with  MOTOTRBO.

I would be interested to know what other areas are using for  setting 
or are they leaving everything in the default  setting?

Dan
KA8YPY

RE: [Repeater-Builder] PSE 508 Controllers

[David Murman]

Yep been running one on our ARMY MARS repeater and working great.

Bought another as a spare.

 

 

 

David

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John J. Riddell
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:06 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PSE 508 Controllers

 

  

 

 

 

Has anyone here used the Pion and Simon PSE508 series of controllers in a GE
Mastr II ?

 

Is the 508-3 with 4 channels of CTCSS worth considering ?

 

73 John VE3AMZ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[MCH]

My point was not to keep NCDN and P25, but rather to have one digital 
voice format on the bands everyone can use as opposed to 27 formats.

Joe M.

Tom Parker wrote:
> 
> 
> Firmware already "upgrades" a NXDN radio to P25, but alas, then it is no 
> longer NXDN.  I don't think you'll ever see P25 and turbo or NXDN in the 
> same box.  Big "M" did remove the XTL1500 from the above price book and 
> put it in the dealer's price sheet last month. 
> 
> my 2 cents
> 
> MCH wrote:
>>  
>>
>> And all of them could add P25 so you would have a common digital format.
>>
>> Joe M.
>>
>> Mark wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I think it will be interesting to see whether Motorola expands/offers
>> > MotoTrbo to the Vertex/Standard/Yaesu radios, now that they have
>> > ownership in Vertex/Standard.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > IMHO, adding MotoTrbo options to the Yaesu line would be one “easy,
>> > quick and dirty” way to attempt to wrest digital away from Icom/D-STAR.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This could get to be very interesting…
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark – N9WYS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>>  *On Behalf Of *John Crockett
>> >
>> > Eric:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Back here in the Southeast there are two UHF MotoTrbo repeaters being
>> > coordinated in the Charlotte, NC area. It will be interesting if this
>> > digital technology will take off. In SC we have enough D-Star repeaters
>> > to cover the state, but the number of users is low. It will take a long
>> > time before it is viable as a parallel statewide communications system.
>> > Analog FM is still the back bone of our statewide communications system
>> > and it will be for years to come. www.scheart.us
>> > > The question in 
>> the back of my mind is. Is
>> > MotoTrbo the digital technology that will leap frog D-Star? I guess we
>> > can stay tuned for the outcome!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > KC4YI
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] PSE 508 Controllers

[NORM KNAPP]

I have 2 in service now wIth 1 one the way. That thing is real plug-n-play.
Highly recommended.

- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun Feb 14 15:06:28 2010
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PSE 508 Controllers

  

 
 

Has anyone here used the Pion and Simon PSE508 series of controllers in a GE 
Mastr II ?
 
Is the 508-3 with 4 channels of CTCSS worth considering ?
 
73 John VE3AMZ

[Repeater-Builder] TRBO-6 Demonstration Vehicle / Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems

[wb6wui]

I have 71 Aliases in my codeplug for the 9 UHF boxes on the TRBO-6 IPSC Network 
as of this morning.  Seems like I add something everyday, and it's a bit of a 
pain keeping for different plugs synced.  It is a blast and I must echo Mike in 
that the enthusiasm is very high in our growing group.

One of our members, Moni (KC2KRW) went to the Orlando "Hamcation" with his TRBO 
repeater mounted in his SUV on a 3/4G broadband card.  We did demo's all day 
yesterday for many of the groups Moni brought together inside and out in the 
tailgate area.  Mom should have sponsored this efforts.  Check out the rig. 
http://www.kc2krw.com/kc2krw/XPR8300.html  Moni drove 180 miles to the Hamfest 
and never was out of his coverage area.  ;-)

-- Mike, WB6WUI, Mazama, WA


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

> There are currently about 50 radios that have the ham systems programmed
> into their radios. I would say that there will by the end of next month,
> there should be 50 or so hams that have radios in the Colorado area. The
> emails are flying around this area on how to acquire radios and get on the
> systems etc.

[Repeater-Builder] PSE 508 Controllers

[John J. Riddell]

Has anyone here used the Pion and Simon PSE508 series of controllers in a GE 
Mastr II ?

Is the 508-3 with 4 channels of CTCSS worth considering ?

73 John VE3AMZ

RE: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[Eric Lemmon]

This is such an interesting thread that I decided to bench-test my
hypothesis posted earlier.  Using a DuraComm LP-14N switching power supply
set for 13.8 VDC output, a variable AC power source, and an electronic load,
I tested the power supply to see at what input voltage it would falter, at
various loads.  Here are my findings:

At 1 ampere DC load, faltered at 74.2 VAC input 
At 2 ampere DC load, faltered at 76.1 VAC input
At 3 ampere DC load, faltered at 76.9 VAC input
At 4 ampere DC load, faltered at 78.0 VAC input
At 5 ampere DC load, faltered at 80.2 VAC input
At 6 ampere DC load, faltered at 80.8 VAC input
At 7 ampere DC load, faltered at 81.3 VAC input
At 8 ampere DC load, faltered at 83.2 VAC input
At 9 ampere DC load, faltered at 84.4 VAC input
At 10 ampere DC load, faltered at 85.9 VAC input

Even at a 10 ampere DC load, the AC input current was only 3.03 amps.  If
you are provided 85 VAC at a maximum of 4 amperes AC, a switching power
supply appears to be the ideal solution.   I have no doubt that switchers
made by Samlex, Astron, and others will offer similar performance- but, as
always, YMMV.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY



-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:17 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

  

AJ,

The obvious solution is to connect a commercial switching power supply-
definitely NOT a linear supply- across the AC source. Most Samlex, Astron,
and DuraComm switchers can work wonders in such an environment, where
conventional linear power supplies will surely fail. Don't use a larger
(higher capacity) power supply than you really need; in this case, larger is
not better!

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 ] On Behalf Of AJ
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:22 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

We've been given the opportunity to setup a remote receiver at the end of
local local cable television provider's plant on the hill to help with
coverage. Powering is the only issue we're running in to - currently the
only power available within 6 pole spans is the 90 V AC plant power across
the CATV coax. They've offered to cut in a power inserter at this location
to feed up to 4 amps of 90 VAC to us (roughly 85 VAC at that point in the
plant) - what is out there for a reasonable cost effective solution to
convert this to 12 VDC?

This stub of plant does not have RF across it, nor will it any time soon (RF
removed when fiber backbone was overlashed on the same pole line). Our first
concern was leakage but that shouldn't be an issue.

73,
AJ, K6LOR

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Gary]

Here in Southern CA. (LA, Orange, and San Diego counties) we have at least 4
Mototrbo repeaters running AND IPSC linked on the amateur band. There are
more than two dozen users known to have invested in Trbo radios with
interest growing steadily. Given the behind-the-scenes Mototrbo activity
that has been taking place over the past two years in amateur radio it's
become increasingly clear that the system works well and that Motorola is
continuing to improve or release features and tools all the time. They
really hope APCO adopts their TDMA format as the next generation of P25 but
that is yet to be seen meanwhile Motorola is clearly focused on developing
the Mototrbo platform.
Gary

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Blasberg
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:12 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

Mike,

In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10  
amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.

I would be interested to know what other areas are using for setting  
or are they leaving everything in the default setting?

Dan
KA8YPY

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Gareth Bennett]

The Vertex MotoTrbo product is just a re-badged and watered down Motorola 
product and nothing more. No point re-inventing the wheel for the big M, and 
also they need to compromise in the marketplace, without upsetting their 
Motorola Sales/Dealers.
HYT will be the ones to watch as their gear is Trbo backwards compatible.

Cheers

Gareth Bennett
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 7:26 AM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems




  I think it will be interesting to see whether Motorola expands/offers 
MotoTrbo to the Vertex/Standard/Yaesu radios, now that they have ownership in 
Vertex/Standard.



  IMHO, adding MotoTrbo options to the Yaesu line would be one “easy, quick and 
dirty” way to attempt to wrest digital away from Icom/D-STAR.



  This could get to be very interesting…



  Mark – N9WYS



  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of John Crockett



  Eric:



  Back here in the Southeast there are two UHF MotoTrbo repeaters being 
coordinated in the Charlotte, NC area. It will be interesting if this digital 
technology will take off. In SC we have enough D-Star repeaters to cover the 
state, but the number of users is low. It will take a long time before it is 
viable as a parallel statewide communications system. Analog FM is still the 
back bone of our statewide communications system and it will be for years to 
come. www.scheart.us The question in the back of my mind is. Is MotoTrbo the 
digital technology that will leap frog D-Star? I guess we can stay tuned for 
the outcome!


   

  John, 

  KC4YI


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[bil . isom]

Doesn't a MASTR II ps automatically compensate for low line voltage? Mine does.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Glenn Little WB4UIV 
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:29:56 
To: 
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

  
 
 
 
 You might try  building a 12 Volt DC supply, but, use a 120 to 24 or so volt 
transformer and regulate the output to the 13.6 VDC that you really want.
 Not ba real hard task. A box (optional), transformer, bridge rectifier, filter 
capacitor, regulator, some small parts.

 73
 Glenn
 WB4UIV

 
 At 01:22 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote:

 
 We've been given the opportunity to setup a remote receiver at the end of 
local local cable television provider's plant on the hill to help with 
coverage. Powering is the only issue we're running in to - currently the only 
power available within 6 pole spans is the 90 V AC plant power across the CATV 
coax. They've offered to cut in a power inserter at this location to feed up to 
4 amps of 90 VAC to us (roughly 85 VAC at that point in the plant) - what is 
out there for a reasonable cost effective solution to convert this to 12 VDC?

 This stub of plant does not have RF across it, nor will it any time soon (RF 
removed when fiber backbone was overlashed on the same pole line). Our first 
concern was leakage but that shouldn't be an issue.

 73,
 AJ, K6LOR

 
 
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[DCFluX]

Modify a junked cable line extender, remove all the RF stuff and keep
just the power supply section.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[rahwayflynn]

Easy to breadboard at home:  Grab a transformer with a 120V and 18V secondary.  
 Feed it with 90 volts AC, it should product somewhere around 16 volts AC on 
the secondary.   Filter and regulate as necesssary.  

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, AJ  wrote:
>
>They've offered to cut in a power inserter at this location
> to feed up to 4 amps of 90 VAC to us (roughly 85 VAC at that point in the
> plant) - what is out there for a reasonable cost effective solution to
> convert this to 12 VDC?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[Ed Yoho]

AJ wrote:
> 
> 
> We've been given the opportunity to setup a remote receiver at the end 
> of local local cable television provider's plant on the hill to help 
> with coverage. Powering is the only issue we're running in to - 
> currently the only power available within 6 pole spans is the 90 V AC 
> plant power across the CATV coax. They've offered to cut in a power 
> inserter at this location to feed up to 4 amps of 90 VAC to us (roughly 
> 85 VAC at that point in the plant) - what is out there for a reasonable 
> cost effective solution to convert this to 12 VDC?
> 
> This stub of plant does not have RF across it, nor will it any time soon 
> (RF removed when fiber backbone was overlashed on the same pole line). 
> Our first concern was leakage but that shouldn't be an issue.
> 
> 73,
> AJ, K6LOR
> 

AJ,

Although a bit crude, a simple solution that will allow you to use a 
normal 110VAC to 12VDC power supply is to get a small autotransformer to 
boost the voltage back to 110VAC. Or you can make your own by wiring a 
110VAC/24VAC transformer up as a boost autotransformer (secondary is 
placed in series with the 85VAC hot side).

Ed Yoho
W6YJ

RE: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[Eric Lemmon]

AJ,

The obvious solution is to connect a commercial switching power supply-
definitely NOT a linear supply- across the AC source.  Most Samlex, Astron,
and DuraComm switchers can work wonders in such an environment, where
conventional linear power supplies will surely fail.  Don't use a larger
(higher capacity) power supply than you really need; in this case, larger is
not better!

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AJ
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:22 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

  

We've been given the opportunity to setup a remote receiver at the end of
local local cable television provider's plant on the hill to help with
coverage. Powering is the only issue we're running in to - currently the
only power available within 6 pole spans is the 90 V AC plant power across
the CATV coax. They've offered to cut in a power inserter at this location
to feed up to 4 amps of 90 VAC to us (roughly 85 VAC at that point in the
plant) - what is out there for a reasonable cost effective solution to
convert this to 12 VDC?

This stub of plant does not have RF across it, nor will it any time soon (RF
removed when fiber backbone was overlashed on the same pole line). Our first
concern was leakage but that shouldn't be an issue.

73,
AJ, K6LOR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Dan Blasberg]

Mike,

In the DC area there is currently one UHF machine and about 5-10  
amateurs playing with MOTOTRBO.

I would be interested to know what other areas are using for setting  
or are they leaving everything in the default setting?

Dan
KA8YPY


On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:24 AM,  wrote:

>
>
> Just curious how many ham radio club, groups and individuals are  
> installing HAM systems in the USA. I know that the TRBO-6 group is  
> up and working great and several others. Here in Denver area the  
> interest is huge and I am hearing of others that are also very  
> interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike K7PFJ
>
>
> Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
> 6886 Sage Ave
> Firestone, Co 80504
> 303-736-9693
>
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Tom Parker]

Firmware already "upgrades" a NXDN radio to P25, but alas, then it is no 
longer NXDN.  I don't think you'll ever see P25 and turbo or NXDN in the 
same box.  Big "M" did remove the XTL1500 from the above price book and 
put it in the dealer's price sheet last month. 


my 2 cents

MCH wrote:
 


And all of them could add P25 so you would have a common digital format.

Joe M.

Mark wrote:
>
>
> I think it will be interesting to see whether Motorola expands/offers
> MotoTrbo to the Vertex/Standard/Yaesu radios, now that they have
> ownership in Vertex/Standard.
>
>
>
> IMHO, adding MotoTrbo options to the Yaesu line would be one “easy,
> quick and dirty” way to attempt to wrest digital away from Icom/D-STAR.
>
>
>
> This could get to be very interesting…
>
>
>
> Mark – N9WYS
>
>
>
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 *On Behalf Of *John Crockett

>
> Eric:
>
>
>
> Back here in the Southeast there are two UHF MotoTrbo repeaters being
> coordinated in the Charlotte, NC area. It will be interesting if this
> digital technology will take off. In SC we have enough D-Star repeaters
> to cover the state, but the number of users is low. It will take a long
> time before it is viable as a parallel statewide communications system.
> Analog FM is still the back bone of our statewide communications system
> and it will be for years to come. www.scheart.us
> > The question in 
the back of my mind is. Is

> MotoTrbo the digital technology that will leap frog D-Star? I guess we
> can stay tuned for the outcome!
>
>
>
>
> John,
>
> KC4YI
>
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[MCH]

And all of them could add P25 so you would have a common digital format.

Joe M.

Mark wrote:
> 
> 
> I think it will be interesting to see whether Motorola expands/offers 
> MotoTrbo to the Vertex/Standard/Yaesu radios, now that they have 
> ownership in Vertex/Standard.
> 
>  
> 
> IMHO, adding MotoTrbo options to the Yaesu line would be one “easy, 
> quick and dirty” way to attempt to wrest digital away from Icom/D-STAR.
> 
>  
> 
> This could get to be very interesting…
> 
>  
> 
> Mark – N9WYS
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  *On Behalf Of *John Crockett
> 
> Eric:
> 
>  
> 
> Back here in the Southeast there are two UHF MotoTrbo repeaters being 
> coordinated in the Charlotte, NC area. It will be interesting if this 
> digital technology will take off. In SC we have enough D-Star repeaters 
> to cover the state, but the number of users is low. It will take a long 
> time before it is viable as a parallel statewide communications system. 
> Analog FM is still the back bone of our statewide communications system 
> and it will be for years to come. www.scheart.us 
>  The question in the back of my mind is. Is 
> MotoTrbo the digital technology that will leap frog D-Star? I guess we 
> can stay tuned for the outcome!
> 
> 
>  
> 
> John,
> 
> KC4YI
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Mark]

I think it will be interesting to see whether Motorola expands/offers MotoTrbo 
to the Vertex/Standard/Yaesu radios, now that they have ownership in 
Vertex/Standard.

 

IMHO, adding MotoTrbo options to the Yaesu line would be one “easy, quick and 
dirty” way to attempt to wrest digital away from Icom/D-STAR.

 

This could get to be very interesting…

 

Mark – N9WYS

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of John Crockett



Eric:

 

Back here in the Southeast there are two UHF MotoTrbo repeaters being 
coordinated in the Charlotte, NC area. It will be interesting if this digital 
technology will take off. In SC we have enough D-Star repeaters to cover the 
state, but the number of users is low. It will take a long time before it is 
viable as a parallel statewide communications system. Analog FM is still the 
back bone of our statewide communications system and it will be for years to 
come. www.scheart.us   The question in the back of my 
mind is. Is MotoTrbo the digital technology that will leap frog D-Star? I guess 
we can stay tuned for the outcome!


 

John, 

KC4YI

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Kenwood TM-3530A T Tones

[MCH]

Did you try using the keys on the front of the radio as the TTP? I think 
they still did that on that model and they don't have to be in a memory.

Joe M.

ka9qjg1 wrote:
> I have an Old Kenwood TM-3530A 220 Radio I need to be able to send TT To work 
> on My Repeater Controller 
> 
> The radio works fine I have a TT Kenwood Mic Good Audio but NO TT , I took it 
> apart and cleaned Everything and Still No TT , 
> 
> So I tried the Mic on My Kenwood TS-2000 Audio and TT Works fine. 
> 
> I downloaded the Manual and see that this Radio is the Same as 
> TM-2570, TM-2550, TM-5550 E
> And TM-2530A
> 
> I found that even without a TT Mic the Radio has built in TT Pad and Numbers 
> can be stored in Mem I do not Hear any TT When I press them either . but I 
> can hear them from the int Speaker but not  in the Carrier . 
> 
> I did the Adjustments to increase them but nothing is heard any Thoughts on 
> this would be greatly appreciated 
> 
> Thanks Don
> 
> KA9QJG 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 

[Repeater-Builder] 85VAC to 12 VDC?

[AJ]

We've been given the opportunity to setup a remote receiver at the end of
local local cable television provider's plant on the hill to help with
coverage. Powering is the only issue we're running in to - currently the
only power available within 6 pole spans is the 90 V AC plant power across
the CATV coax. They've offered to cut in a power inserter at this location
to feed up to 4 amps of 90 VAC to us (roughly 85 VAC at that point in the
plant) - what is out there for a reasonable cost effective solution to
convert this to 12 VDC?

This stub of plant does not have RF across it, nor will it any time soon (RF
removed when fiber backbone was overlashed on the same pole line). Our first
concern was leakage but that shouldn't be an issue.

73,
AJ, K6LOR

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

Hi Eric,

 

There are currently about 50 radios that have the ham systems programmed
into their radios. I would say that there will by the end of next month,
there should be 50 or so hams that have radios in the Colorado area. The
emails are flying around this area on how to acquire radios and get on the
systems etc.

 

 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:34 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

Mike,

There's always going to be excitement about, and interest in, digital
systems. Please answer my question: How many Hams in your area have
purchased and are now using MotoTrbo radios?

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam. 
com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:01 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems


Hi Eric,

Good to here form you, its been a while. Ebay is the cheapest place you can
get radios. I am going to get the www.usedmototrbo.com
 trbo.com/> site up here
and there will be many other
digital radios as well. A lot of the ARES and RACES groups are embracing the
radios and not using there DStar radios.

Vertex will be offering a mobile and portable here very soon as well as HYT
will have a mobile and portable that will work on the systems as well and
they are going to announce it at IWCE 2010 so stay tuned on there offering. 

Many 3rd party Motorola partners are building many software and hardware
widgets to work with the system and have herd of some interest in an IPhone
application being tossed around as well.

I just installed a TRBO HAM repeater above Boulder, Co and is working great
and Paul WA2YZT has his on Lookout Mt above Denver that is connected to the
TRBO-6 group and is working flawless as well. 

I haven't seen this much excitement in digital in this area for a while and
I think that is why Paul WA2YZT swapped the P25 digital repeater and
converted it to Mototrbo.

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ


From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:50 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems


Mike,

A few members of the Satellite ARC are toying with the idea of putting a
MotoTrbo repeater on one of our mountaintop sites. The major stumbling
block, of course, is the very high cost of the digital radios needed to use
the MotoTrbo repeater. There are several analog 6m, 2m, 220, and 440
repeaters in my area that have a total of perhaps 80 users- and most of
those users are reluctant to shell out well over a thousand bucks just to
talk to a few other people, when they can use their $80 Puxing or Alinco
radios to talk to everyone else, anywhere.

I would like to know how many MotoTrbo handheld and mobile radios are now
being used in the Denver area. Perhaps a new perspective will help others
to justify the high cost of implementation.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
 ] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.
 com
 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

Just curious how many ham radio club, groups and individuals are installing
HAM systems in the USA. I know that the TRBO-6 group is up and working great
and several others. Here in Denver area the interest is huge and I am
hearing of others that are also very interested. 

Thanks,

Mike K7PFJ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[John Crockett]

Eric:

Back here in the Southeast there are two UHF MotoTrbo repeaters being 
coordinated in the Charlotte, NC area. It will be interesting if this digital 
technology will take off. In SC we have enough D-Star repeaters to cover the 
state, but the number of users is low. It will take a long time before it is 
viable as a parallel statewide communications system. Analog FM is still the 
back bone of our statewide communications system and it will be for years to 
come. www.scheart.us The question in the back of my mind is. Is MotoTrbo the 
digital technology that will leap frog D-Star? I guess we can stay tuned for 
the outcome!

 
John, 
KC4YI




From: Eric Lemmon 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 11:34:05 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

  
Mike,

There's always going to be excitement about, and interest in, digital
systems. Please answer my question: How many Hams in your area have
purchased and are now using MotoTrbo radios?

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam. com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:01 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems


Hi Eric,

Good to here form you, its been a while. Ebay is the cheapest place you can
get radios. I am going to get the www.usedmototrbo. com
 site up here and there will be many other
digital radios as well. A lot of the ARES and RACES groups are embracing the
radios and not using there DStar radios.

Vertex will be offering a mobile and portable here very soon as well as HYT
will have a mobile and portable that will work on the systems as well and
they are going to announce it at IWCE 2010 so stay tuned on there offering. 

Many 3rd party Motorola partners are building many software and hardware
widgets to work with the system and have herd of some interest in an IPhone
application being tossed around as well.

I just installed a TRBO HAM repeater above Boulder, Co and is working great
and Paul WA2YZT has his on Lookout Mt above Denver that is connected to the
TRBO-6 group and is working flawless as well. 

I haven't seen this much excitement in digital in this area for a while and
I think that is why Paul WA2YZT swapped the P25 digital repeater and
converted it to Mototrbo.

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
 _ _ __

From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:50 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems


Mike,

A few members of the Satellite ARC are toying with the idea of putting a
MotoTrbo repeater on one of our mountaintop sites. The major stumbling
block, of course, is the very high cost of the digital radios needed to use
the MotoTrbo repeater. There are several analog 6m, 2m, 220, and 440
repeaters in my area that have a total of perhaps 80 users- and most of
those users are reluctant to shell out well over a thousand bucks just to
talk to a few other people, when they can use their $80 Puxing or Alinco
radios to talk to everyone else, anywhere.

I would like to know how many MotoTrbo handheld and mobile radios are now
being used in the Denver area. Perhaps a new perspective will help others
to justify the high cost of implementation.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
 ] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam. com
 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

Just curious how many ham radio club, groups and individuals are installing
HAM systems in the USA. I know that the TRBO-6 group is up and working great
and several others. Here in Denver area the interest is huge and I am
hearing of others that are also very interested. 

Thanks,

Mike K7PFJ





  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Daniels Electronics MT-3 Lowband Radios on 6 meters?

[John Gleichweit]

The trick is spending a whole bunch of money with them, which the State 
of California has done. You know the drill: Money talks, and BS walks...

On 2/14/2010 4:26 AM, Nate Duehr wrote:
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:03 AM, James Adkins wrote:
>
>
>> I agree.  If you look at the BCD codes, there's EXACTLY enough spaces for 5 
>> kHz channels between the wide and narrow band assignments for 50-54 MHz.
>>
>> We use Daniel's exclusively in our low-band statewide radio system, and I 
>> spoke with one of their engineers about this out at IWCE last March and he 
>> said it could be done, and they had even done it from the factory for an EMA 
>> out in California.  It does take some work, he said some component changes, 
>> but that's as far as we discussed it and I've not tried it yet myself.
>>  
> This must be the trick to getting Daniels to talk to you... go to IWCE and 
> get in their face.
>
> I've been blown off multiple times by them at their published contact points, 
> over the last couple of years...
>
> I mention it more as a "beware" thing for the list, I'm not interested in 
> talking to them anymore.
>
> --
> Nate Duehr, WY0X
> n...@natetech.com
>
> facebook.com/denverpilot
> twitter.com/denverpilot
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Daniels Electronics MT-3 Lowband Radios on 6 meters?

[skipp025]

Re: Daniels Electronics MT-3 Lowband Radios on 6 meters? 

Yes, it can be done... 

Per one of my associates who works on MT-3 units all the 
time... they can be "moved" out of band but the required 
work is cumbersome. The six meter band plan (out here on 
the left coast) appears to have two repeater "ranges". I 
call one of them the 51/52 MHz range and the other the 52/53 
MHz range. 

So a conversion probably depends more on your motivation, 
parts and test equipment resources. 

You're talking about modification to the default synthesizer 
layout and possibly re-ranging the injection stages. Then 
you have to deal with the front-end depending on how far 
into the six meter band you hope/plan to operate the receiver. 

Making converted commercial equipment play in the low range 
repeater portion of the band (depending on the specific 
radio circuit) can be a lot easier than conversion and 
operation up above 52.5 into the higher range repeater band. 
If the receiver pre-selector doesn't cover your 53.4 MHz 
input frequency are you able and willing to make the required 
physical and electrical mods? 

It can be done, has been done many times in the past on a 
lot of converted commercial equipment. But if you can't find 
the person who has done it before and has the real conversion 
information to share... it's going to be on your skills to 
get out the service manual, compare the part value 
differences (if there are any) over the different ranges the 
equipment might be offered as operating in/over. Then come 
up with a game plan for re-ranging the circuit where required. 

The smart person completely measures a working radio/circuit, 
notes various stage values in working operation before and after 
modification and hopefully records those values. Many of the 
Group Members offering converted Commercial Radio Conversions 
to Amateur Band Operation have done the above steps more than 
a few times in the past. 

If someone has the MT-3 manual in pdf a number of Group Members 
should be able to chime in with some experience and (hopefully) 
educated suggestions. I recently serviced the high band 160 
MHz range MT-3 equipment and it doesn't look that exotic 
circuit wise to discard the idea of a possible low band unit 
conversion up to six meters.  Otherwise I can try to dig up 
the low band model service manual and have a look as time allows. 

s. 

Looking forward to IWCE in March... I'll be there on the 10th 
(only) so guard your free samples.

> James Adkins  wrote:
>
> I agree.  If you look at the BCD codes, there's EXACTLY 
> enough spaces for 5 kHz channels between the wide and narrow 
> band assignments for 50-54 MHz.
 
> We use Daniel's exclusively in our low-band statewide radio 
> system, and I spoke with one of their engineers about this 
> out at IWCE last March and he said it could be done, and they 
> had even done it from the factory for an EMA out in California. 
> It does take some work, he said some component changes,
> but that's as far as we discussed it and I've not tried 
> it yet myself.
> 
> >surf_boy82  wrote:
> > Er, I beg to differ... I've seen it done, but the folks 
> > who did it aren't talking, or are just too busy to share 
> > right now.

> > > Won't work, tried it already. Have to do lots of component 
> > > changes to get it down.

 Has anyone out there successfully set up any of the 
 Daniels MT-3 series low-band radios on 6 Meters?
 Recently bought a unit and would like to get it working 
 in the amateur band. Any help would be appreciated.
 Chris/KF6AJM

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Eric Lemmon]

Mike,

There's always going to be excitement about, and interest in, digital
systems.  Please answer my question:  How many Hams in your area have
purchased and are now using MotoTrbo radios?

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:01 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
 

Hi Eric,

Good to here form you, its been a while. Ebay is the cheapest place you can
get radios. I am going to get the www.usedmototrbo.com
  site up here and there will be many other
digital radios as well. A lot of the ARES and RACES groups are embracing the
radios and not using there DStar radios.

Vertex will be offering a mobile and portable here very soon as well as HYT
will have a mobile and portable that will work on the systems as well and
they are going to announce it at IWCE 2010 so stay tuned on there offering. 

Many 3rd party Motorola partners are building many software and hardware
widgets to work with the system and have herd of some interest in an IPhone
application being tossed around as well.

I just installed a TRBO HAM repeater above Boulder, Co and is working great
and Paul WA2YZT has his on Lookout Mt above Denver that is connected to the
TRBO-6 group and is working flawless as well. 

I haven't seen this much excitement in digital in this area for a while and
I think that is why Paul WA2YZT swapped the P25 digital repeater and
converted it to Mototrbo.

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ


From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:50 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems
  

Mike,

A few members of the Satellite ARC are toying with the idea of putting a
MotoTrbo repeater on one of our mountaintop sites. The major stumbling
block, of course, is the very high cost of the digital radios needed to use
the MotoTrbo repeater. There are several analog 6m, 2m, 220, and 440
repeaters in my area that have a total of perhaps 80 users- and most of
those users are reluctant to shell out well over a thousand bucks just to
talk to a few other people, when they can use their $80 Puxing or Alinco
radios to talk to everyone else, anywhere.

I would like to know how many MotoTrbo handheld and mobile radios are now
being used in the Denver area. Perhaps a new perspective will help others
to justify the high cost of implementation.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 ] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

Just curious how many ham radio club, groups and individuals are installing
HAM systems in the USA. I know that the TRBO-6 group is up and working great
and several others. Here in Denver area the interest is huge and I am
hearing of others that are also very interested. 

Thanks,

Mike K7PFJ

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quantar & RLC-MOT issues. Help!

[nj902]

There are at least a couple of easy ways you can do this.

First, you can program one wildcard output for "RX PL DETECT" and a second 
wildcard output for "RX CAR DET".  Connect both of those to your external 
controller and let it decide when or if both are necessary.

A second method would be to program the Quantar for two channels - one with PL 
and one without.  Program a single wildcard output for "RX QUAL MET" and 
connect that to your external controller as its COS.  Then also program a 
wildcard input using the "CHN (X)" command so that an output from your external 
controller can be connected to that input and thus change the channel to turn 
PL on and off.

Once you get up to speed on the Quantar wildcard programming I think you will 
find that you can make the Quantar do just about anything you can dream up.


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "surf_boy82"  wrote:
"...
> 
We absolutely need the ability to switch between CSQ and PL modes. The 
controller we're using supports it... But I don't see how to program this thing 
to have separate outputs for COS and PL Detect.
..."

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

Hi Eric,

 

Good to here form you, its been a while. Ebay is the cheapest place you can
get radios. I am going to get the www.usedmototrbo.com
  site up here and there will be many other
digital radios as well. A lot of the ARES and RACES groups are embracing the
radios and not using there DStar radios.

 

Vertex will be offering a mobile and portable here very soon as well as HYT
will have a mobile and portable that will work on the systems as well and
they are going to announce it at IWCE 2010 so stay tuned on there offering. 

 

Many 3rd party Motorola partners are building many software and hardware
widgets to work with the system and have herd of some interest in an IPhone
application being tossed around as well.

 

I just installed a TRBO HAM repeater above Boulder, Co and is working great
and Paul WA2YZT has his on Lookout Mt above Denver that is connected to the
TRBO-6 group and is working flawless as well. 

 

I haven't seen this much excitement in digital in this area for a while and
I think that is why Paul WA2YZT swapped the P25 digital repeater and
converted it to Mototrbo.

 

 

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

 

 

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:50 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

 

  

Mike,

A few members of the Satellite ARC are toying with the idea of putting a
MotoTrbo repeater on one of our mountaintop sites. The major stumbling
block, of course, is the very high cost of the digital radios needed to use
the MotoTrbo repeater. There are several analog 6m, 2m, 220, and 440
repeaters in my area that have a total of perhaps 80 users- and most of
those users are reluctant to shell out well over a thousand bucks just to
talk to a few other people, when they can use their $80 Puxing or Alinco
radios to talk to everyone else, anywhere.

I would like to know how many MotoTrbo handheld and mobile radios are now
being used in the Denver area. Perhaps a new perspective will help others
to justify the high cost of implementation.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam. 
com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ 
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

Just curious how many ham radio club, groups and individuals are installing
HAM systems in the USA. I know that the TRBO-6 group is up and working great
and several others. Here in Denver area the interest is huge and I am
hearing of others that are also very interested. 

Thanks,

Mike K7PFJ

RE: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[Eric Lemmon]

Mike,

A few members of the Satellite ARC are toying with the idea of putting a
MotoTrbo repeater on one of our mountaintop sites.  The major stumbling
block, of course, is the very high cost of the digital radios needed to use
the MotoTrbo repeater.  There are several analog 6m, 2m, 220, and 440
repeaters in my area that have a total of perhaps 80 users- and most of
those users are reluctant to shell out well over a thousand bucks just to
talk to a few other people, when they can use their $80 Puxing or Alinco
radios to talk to everyone else, anywhere.

I would like to know how many MotoTrbo handheld and mobile radios are now
being used in the Denver area.  Perhaps a new perspective will help others
to justify the high cost of implementation.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
  

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k7...@skybeam.com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:24 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

  

Just curious how many ham radio club, groups and individuals are installing
HAM systems in the USA. I know that the TRBO-6 group is up and working great
and several others. Here in Denver area the interest is huge and I am
hearing of others that are also very interested. 

Thanks,

Mike K7PFJ

[Repeater-Builder] HAM Mototrbo Systems

[k7pfj]

Just curious how many ham radio club, groups and individuals are installing
HAM systems in the USA. I know that the TRBO-6 group is up and working great
and several others. Here in Denver area the interest is huge and I am
hearing of others that are also very interested. 

 

Thanks,

 

Mike K7PFJ

 

 

Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-736-9693 

[Repeater-Builder] GR300 repeater: Converting from narrow to wide band troubles

[Joe]

Hello to All,

This is my first attempt at working on a Motorola GR300 repeater.  It is 
using the GM300 radios and ZR310 controller.  I have replaced the GM300 
radios with wide band units and almost have it working.  The original 
repeater functioned fine.  I replaced the receive radio and got it 
working OK.  Next I replaced the transmit radio and I'm having a 
problem.  The transmit radio works fine by itself.  When I put it in the 
GM300 cabinet it keys up momentarily and drops.  It will not key again 
until the 5 second timer runs out, then I can get it to momentarily key 
again.  I've gone through the programming, but cannot find a difference 
between the good and bad transmit radios.  I checked the option jumpers
in the old and new radios.

Now I'm not sure if I'm programming it correctly.  The software has a 
radio mode and a repeater mode.  Which one do you use for programming 
the radios?  It looks like it could be done either way.  I've been using
the Radio mode.

I'm probably missing something simple, but just don't see it.

I'm working on this for a ham friend and it's gotten out of control 
time-wise.  I'd like to get this resolved so I can move on to other 
projects.

Thanks ahead of time,

73, Joe, K1ike







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Daniels Electronics MT-3 Lowband Radios on 6 meters?

[James Adkins]

I've never had that experience with them, their tech support is top notch.
And their equipment is top notch, too.  It's very expensive, though.  Like
any company, you just have to find the right person to "spill the beans"

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Nate Duehr  wrote:

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>
>
> On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:03 AM, James Adkins wrote:
>
> >
> > I agree. If you look at the BCD codes, there's EXACTLY enough spaces for
> 5 kHz channels between the wide and narrow band assignments for 50-54 MHz.
> >
> > We use Daniel's exclusively in our low-band statewide radio system, and I
> spoke with one of their engineers about this out at IWCE last March and he
> said it could be done, and they had even done it from the factory for an EMA
> out in California. It does take some work, he said some component changes,
> but that's as far as we discussed it and I've not tried it yet myself.
>
> This must be the trick to getting Daniels to talk to you... go to IWCE and
> get in their face.
>
> I've been blown off multiple times by them at their published contact
> points, over the last couple of years...
>
> I mention it more as a "beware" thing for the list, I'm not interested in
> talking to them anymore.
>
> --
> Nate Duehr, WY0X
> n...@natetech.com 
>
> facebook.com/denverpilot
> twitter.com/denverpilot
>
>  
>



-- 
James Adkins, KB0NHX
Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN)
www.nixahams.net

Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater
Council
www.missourirepeater.org

The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - "There is no charge for awesomeness!" (Well,
only $1.00 per month)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Daniels Electronics MT-3 Lowband Radios on 6 meters?

[Nate Duehr]

On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:03 AM, James Adkins wrote:

> 
> I agree.  If you look at the BCD codes, there's EXACTLY enough spaces for 5 
> kHz channels between the wide and narrow band assignments for 50-54 MHz.
>  
> We use Daniel's exclusively in our low-band statewide radio system, and I 
> spoke with one of their engineers about this out at IWCE last March and he 
> said it could be done, and they had even done it from the factory for an EMA 
> out in California.  It does take some work, he said some component changes, 
> but that's as far as we discussed it and I've not tried it yet myself.

This must be the trick to getting Daniels to talk to you... go to IWCE and get 
in their face.

I've been blown off multiple times by them at their published contact points, 
over the last couple of years... 

I mention it more as a "beware" thing for the list, I'm not interested in 
talking to them anymore.

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
n...@natetech.com

facebook.com/denverpilot
twitter.com/denverpilot

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Daniels Electronics MT-3 Lowband Radios on 6 meters?

[James Adkins]

I agree.  If you look at the BCD codes, there's EXACTLY enough spaces for 5
kHz channels between the wide and narrow band assignments for 50-54 MHz.

We use Daniel's exclusively in our low-band statewide radio system, and I
spoke with one of their engineers about this out at IWCE last March and he
said it could be done, and they had even done it from the factory for an EMA
out in California.  It does take some work, he said some component changes,
but that's as far as we discussed it and I've not tried it yet myself.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM, surf_boy82  wrote:

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>
> Er, I beg to differ... I've seen it done, but the folks who did it aren't
> talking, or are just too busy to share right now.
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com,
> Paul Gilbert  wrote:
> >
> > Won't work, tried it already. Have to do lots of compent changes to get
> it
> > down.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:50 PM, surf_boy82  wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone out there successfully set up any of the Daniels MT-3 series
> > > lowband radios on 6 Meters?
> > >
> > > Recently bought a unit and would like to get it working in the amateur
> > > band. Any help would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Chris/KF6AJM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> 
>



-- 
James Adkins, KB0NHX
Vice-President -- Nixa Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KC0LUN)
www.nixahams.net

Southern Missouri Assistant Frequency Coordinator - Missouri Repeater
Council
www.missourirepeater.org

The Nixa Amateur Radio Club - "There is no charge for awesomeness!" (Well,
only $1.00 per month)