Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 information needed

[Bob Luttrull]

Hi Rob
I have a new Power supply for a CXB. What is yours a CXB or CLB?
kd7ikz
Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Pease 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 1:22 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 information needed




  I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the 
rf deck and the control deck.



  I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom 
vehicle.  My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the 
PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC 
power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the 
other equipment.



  I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, 
but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some 
info before I jumped on it.



  Thanks - KS4EC - Rob



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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 information needed

[Robert Pease]

I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA,
just the rf deck and the control deck.

 

I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom
vehicle.  My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without
the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need
for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank
that runs the other equipment.

 

I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the
time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request
and get some info before I jumped on it.

 

Thanks - KS4EC - Rob

 

Robert Pease

P No trees were killed in the sending of this message.  However a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 

Think before you print!

 



Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths 
throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, 
residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more.

SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING 
www.JFCSonline.com 

Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your 
contacts ASAP.

 
  
.

 

 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[The Rices]

Thanks to all that responded. Parts from the repeater has been sold. Steve N4YZA

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[The Rices]

I am 18 miles south of Melbourne Florida in a place called Barefoot Bay, 
Florida. 32976

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[Pointman]

Where are you located?




From: The Rices 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 7:15:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

  
Please note: Those individuals that are asking me if I will ship need to 
understand that the only way I know of shipping this is by freight and I have 
no 
experience in mounting on a pallet or boxing for shipping.
 
If you want it to be shipped you will have to arrange shipping and pickup 
(I can have some people on hand to load it on a truck). You will have to find a 
company responsible enough to palletize it and move it out.
 
Thanks Steve Rice N4YZA
 
772-664-7238
 


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[The Rices]

Please note: Those individuals that are asking me if I will ship need to 
understand that the only way I know of shipping this is by freight and I have 
no experience in mounting on a pallet or boxing for shipping.

If you want it to be shipped you will have to arrange shipping and pickup (I 
can have some people on hand to load it on a truck). You will have to find a 
company responsible enough to palletize it and move it out.

Thanks Steve Rice N4YZA

772-664-7238

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[The Rices]

Ray, I am sending you a private email off list. We have talked before.
Steve
N4YZA 

Others that want can contact me at the email address here removing what is 
obvious: notospamsri...@cfl.rr.com

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[ray kalbfeld]

i am interested in this MSF 5000 i will take as currently tunedasking price is 
fair, i can pick up i am in ft lauderdale fl

 
 

Raymond P. Kalbfeld
16850 Collins Avenue  Suite 112-463
Sunny Isles Beach, Florida 33160


Cell 786-267-7555
Office  305-831-1488
rpkalbf...@hotmail.com





To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
From: sri...@cfl.rr.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale


















 



  



  
  
  



I have a MSF 5000 repeater for sale if someone is interested.
 
At this time it is programmed for GMRS. Here is some information on the 
repeater and a link to some pictures of the repeater:
 
Model Number -- C44CXB7106BT
Serial Number: -- 388CUY0315
Rated Power : 40 watts
Power out: Not sure but 24 watts out of the duplexer rings a bell. I will 
try to check that later.
Freq: Presently tuned for GMRS Freq of Transmit 462.625 Receive 
467.625
Software re-programmable.
No key is provided since I lost mine but the lock does work. Front panel is 
open now.
 
Optional equipment included :
 
MRTI 1000 Interface
Test Set with Cable
Older Tone Remote available
 
Comes with the following manuals:
MSF 5000 Digital Manual

MRTI - 1000 Telephone interface
 
I am located 18 miles south of Melbourne Florida in Barefoot Bay, Florida 
32976
I will not ship.
 
Willing to hook up to demonstrate the repeater and hook up the bird to show 
power out. 
 
Priced at $445.00 cash
 
Pictures of the actual repeater can be found here : http://cus2.net/temp/




 









  
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Repeater for sale

[The Rices]

I have a MSF 5000 repeater for sale if someone is interested.

At this time it is programmed for GMRS. Here is some information on the 
repeater and a link to some pictures of the repeater:

Model Number -- C44CXB7106BT
Serial Number: -- 388CUY0315
Rated Power : 40 watts
Power out: Not sure but 24 watts out of the duplexer rings a bell. I will try 
to check that later.
Freq: Presently tuned for GMRS Freq of Transmit 462.625 Receive 467.625
Software re-programmable.
No key is provided since I lost mine but the lock does work. Front panel is 
open now.

Optional equipment included :

MRTI 1000 Interface
Test Set with Cable
Older Tone Remote available

Comes with the following manuals:
MSF 5000 Digital Manual
MRTI - 1000 Telephone interface

I am located 18 miles south of Melbourne Florida in Barefoot Bay, Florida 32976
I will not ship.

Willing to hook up to demonstrate the repeater and hook up the bird to show 
power out. 

Priced at $445.00 cash

Pictures of the actual repeater can be found here : http://cus2.net/temp/

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part TLE5834 Needed

[Brent DeSalvo]

Gary

That is a Hybrid Combiner LH final I believe, and it has been canceled from
Motorola for some time.

I just looked and I don’t have any, or any parts for a 225w pa, good hunting

 

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:04 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part TLE5834 Needed

 

  

Does anyone have or know someone that I can get the listed part above?
Motorola doesn't make this part anymore.



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[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part TLE5834 Needed

[Gary]

Does anyone have or know someone that I can get the listed part above?
Motorola doesn't make this part anymore.

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Army MARS repeater, Portland, OR

[Hobie]

I have just set up an MSF5000 125W repeater.  The duplexers are tuned, the unit 
is tuned  and programmed and it works kind of...When you open it with a carrier 
it puts out full power, as soon as you talk (local or remote)the PA cuts out.  
Drops from 80 watts to 4 watts.  You can hold the PTT a long time: no drop.  
Any noise into the mic, it drops.  Here or a mile away, it's the same.  Checked 
RSS, etc.  VHF Mars freq. with 2.1MHz split.  Deviation? EEpots?  Please help.  
Thanks.  PS Also tried with separate antennas on each pair of 
duplexerssame. 

[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 VCO problem

[hl31943]

I have a CXB UHF repeater and can't get the receive VCO to lock properly. I get 
a peak of about 23 uA but it doesn't lock there. If I tune to where it will 
lock, the M5 reading is about 13 uA. I've taken the VCO apart twice and cleaned 
it.

Is substituting the transmit VCO (which does lock at 38 uA)a valid test of 
anything? I've also posted this problem on the MSF-5000 group, but no answer so 
far.

I'm probably in the market for a replacement VCO if anyone has one available. 
Suggestions would be appreciated.

73,
Howard
WB4GUD

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 conversion question

[Bryon Jeffers]

http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/msf/msf-clb-to-cxb.html

Enjoy...

Bryon KØBSJ

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Brian Gieryk  wrote:

> Good morning!
>
> A while ago, I found a very detailed document that described how to
> replace a CLB control shelf with a CXB SSCB shelf.
>
> Does anyone have info on this change out?
>
> I have lost the original info.
>
> TNX in advance!
>
> Brian
> KE6IYC
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 conversion question

[Brian Gieryk]

Good morning!

A while ago, I found a very detailed document that described how to  
replace a CLB control shelf with a CXB SSCB shelf.

Does anyone have info on this change out?

I have lost the original info.

TNX in advance!

Brian
KE6IYC

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

[Bob]

Mike
PDT Time
Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB






  Hi Mike
  Could you gave me a call
  509 844 1954. Best time is from 5:30 PM to 9:00 PM M/F weekends all day.
  Thanks
  Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Mullarkey 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB



Bob,


I have a test set if you need one.


Mike


Colorado Telecom, L.L.C

Mike Mullarkey

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular




From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:49 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB







Please I need some help here.

Thanks

Bob

  - Original Message - 

  From: Bob Luttrull 

  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:56 PM

  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB


  Hi All
  I have 2 MSF 5000 CXBs and one of them is gaving me a littler trable.
  It is a UHF on 444.300. I nodest about 2 weeks ago that it was not keying 
up and I did not have time to go look at it tell last Sunday. All the lights 
were on like the RX LOCK and TX lock were on. But when you key the repeater up 
the PA Full, PA on, and PA Key would just blink and it would not TX. I unpluge 
it for the week and check it on Sunday and it work good for about 30 to 45 min 
and swr was good. Then it started to do it again. The 3 lights would blink when 
you keyed it up. I have check the cables and they look ok but I would like to 
replace them but I can not find what tipe of cable they are. I do not have a 
manual for them. I think it is in one of the cables from the RF tray to the 
duplexer. Can anyone help please.
  Thanks
  Bob
  kd7ikz



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

[Bob]

Hi Mike
Could you gave me a call
509 844 1954. Best time is from 5:30 PM to 9:00 PM M/F weekends all day.
Thanks
Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Mullarkey 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:17 PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB






  Bob,



  I have a test set if you need one.



  Mike



  Colorado Telecom, L.L.C

  Mike Mullarkey

  6886 Sage Ave

  Firestone, Co 80504

  303-954-9695 Home

  303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax

  303-718-8052 Cellular


--

  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob
  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:49 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB








  Please I need some help here.

  Thanks

  Bob

- Original Message - 

From: Bob Luttrull 

To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:56 PM

Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB



Hi All
I have 2 MSF 5000 CXBs and one of them is gaving me a littler trable.
It is a UHF on 444.300. I nodest about 2 weeks ago that it was not keying 
up and I did not have time to go look at it tell last Sunday. All the lights 
were on like the RX LOCK and TX lock were on. But when you key the repeater up 
the PA Full, PA on, and PA Key would just blink and it would not TX. I unpluge 
it for the week and check it on Sunday and it work good for about 30 to 45 min 
and swr was good. Then it started to do it again. The 3 lights would blink when 
you keyed it up. I have check the cables and they look ok but I would like to 
replace them but I can not find what tipe of cable they are. I do not have a 
manual for them. I think it is in one of the cables from the RF tray to the 
duplexer. Can anyone help please.
Thanks
Bob
kd7ikz


  

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

[Mike Mullarkey]

Bob,

 

I have a test set if you need one.

 

Mike

 

Colorado Telecom, L.L.C

Mike Mullarkey

6886 Sage Ave

Firestone, Co 80504

303-954-9695 Home

303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax

303-718-8052 Cellular

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:49 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

 






Please I need some help here.

Thanks

Bob

- Original Message - 

From: Bob Luttrull <mailto:kd7...@comcast.net>  

To: Repeater-Builder@ <mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:56 PM

Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

 

Hi All
I have 2 MSF 5000 CXBs and one of them is gaving me a littler trable.
It is a UHF on 444.300. I nodest about 2 weeks ago that it was not keying up
and I did not have time to go look at it tell last Sunday. All the lights
were on like the RX LOCK and TX lock were on. But when you key the repeater
up the PA Full, PA on, and PA Key would just blink and it would not TX. I
unpluge it for the week and check it on Sunday and it work good for about 30
to 45 min and swr was good. Then it started to do it again. The 3 lights
would blink when you keyed it up. I have check the cables and they look ok
but I would like to replace them but I can not find what tipe of cable they
are. I do not have a manual for them. I think it is in one of the cables
from the RF tray to the duplexer. Can anyone help please.
Thanks
Bob
kd7ikz

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

[Bob]

Thank you Ken I will check that out. Dick W7RGW was the one how aligned it for 
me so I will have his check it out. 
Thanks
Bob
kd7ikz
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Arck 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB





  At 05:49 PM 4/22/2009, Bob wrote:

  >Please I need some help here.
  >Thanks

  <---When it only transmits for a few microseconds when its first 
  keyed up, that is usually a good indicator either the alignment is 
  off or you have a failed part. Best thing you can do is see what the 
  test set tells you about the various metered stages.

  Ken
  --
  President and CTO - Arcom Communications
  Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
  http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
  Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
  we offer complete repeater packages!
  AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
  http://www.irlp.net
  "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

[Ken Arck]

At 05:49 PM 4/22/2009, Bob wrote:


>Please I need some help here.
>Thanks

<---When it only transmits for a few microseconds when its first 
keyed up, that is usually a good indicator either the alignment is 
off or you have a failed part. Best thing you can do is see what the 
test set tells you about the various metered stages.

Ken
--
President and CTO - Arcom Communications
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
we offer complete repeater packages!
AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
http://www.irlp.net
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

[Bob]

Please I need some help here.
Thanks
Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Luttrull 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:56 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB





  Hi All
  I have 2 MSF 5000 CXBs and one of them is gaving me a littler trable.
  It is a UHF on 444.300. I nodest about 2 weeks ago that it was not keying up 
and I did not have time to go look at it tell last Sunday. All the lights were 
on like the RX LOCK and TX lock were on. But when you key the repeater up the 
PA Full, PA on, and PA Key would just blink and it would not TX. I unpluge it 
for the week and check it on Sunday and it work good for about 30 to 45 min and 
swr was good. Then it started to do it again. The 3 lights would blink when you 
keyed it up. I have check the cables and they look ok but I would like to 
replace them but I can not find what tipe of cable they are. I do not have a 
manual for them. I think it is in one of the cables from the RF tray to the 
duplexer. Can anyone help please.
  Thanks
  Bob
  kd7ikz



  

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CXB

[Bob Luttrull]

Hi All
I have 2 MSF 5000 CXBs and one of them is gaving me a littler trable.
It is a UHF on 444.300. I nodest about 2 weeks ago that it was not keying up 
and I did not have time to go look at it tell last Sunday. All the lights were 
on like the RX LOCK and TX lock were on. But when you key the repeater up the 
PA Full, PA on, and PA Key would just blink and it would not TX. I unpluge it 
for the week and check it on Sunday and it work good for about 30 to 45 min and 
swr was good. Then it started to do it again. The 3 lights would blink when you 
keyed it up. I have check the cables and they look ok but I would like to 
replace them but I can not find what tipe of cable they are. I do not have a 
manual for them. I think it is in one of the cables from the RF tray to the 
duplexer. Can anyone help please.
Thanks
Bob
kd7ikz

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 vhf power amp TLD2692A manual query

[Bob M.]

I've got a manual that has that PA in it. Not much there except a power 
splitter, two FET PA modules (undocumented), a power combiner, and a power 
sensor. There's some troubleshooting charts and some parts lists, but 
absolutely nothing on the actual PA modules themselves.

Most of the sheets are big fold-outs. Those with circuit board layouts are in 
color. It would take considerable time to scan them, plus it would be a very 
big file. Easier to make copies at the local copy center, but that wouldn't 
happen for several days and would cost several dollars plus postage.

I can give you specific info from the manual a lot faster.

Bob M.
==
--- On Sun, 12/14/08, ghbyrkit  wrote:

> From: ghbyrkit 
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 vhf power amp TLD2692A manual query
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 11:54 AM
> Hi, I've got an MSF 5000 VHF power amp, TLD2692A.  Does
> anyone have a 
> manual for this beast, or can you point me to a link for
> one?  My 
> meager attempts at google-fu didn't show anything that
> I could 
> identify as such, nor any on eBay, nor R-B website.
> 
> Thanks so much for reading, especially if you can help!
> 
> 73,
> George K9TRV
> (Technical Coordinator for ARROW, W8PGW.org)


  

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 vhf power amp TLD2692A manual query

[ghbyrkit]

Hi, I've got an MSF 5000 VHF power amp, TLD2692A.  Does anyone have a 
manual for this beast, or can you point me to a link for one?  My 
meager attempts at google-fu didn't show anything that I could 
identify as such, nor any on eBay, nor R-B website.

Thanks so much for reading, especially if you can help!

73,
George K9TRV
(Technical Coordinator for ARROW, W8PGW.org)

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation

[Ralph Hogan]

Guys,
Thanks for the comments. Hopefully I'll get some more time to work with it
over the holiday and get it up on site. A friend has another MSF-5000 with
the same high 900 Hz PL deviation, he's going to look at a resistor change
or pot addition experiment.
Ralph W4XE

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M.
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:03 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation

As others have said, the PL/DPL deviation is NOT separately adjustable. It's
a fixed percentage of the total deviation. It is very clean however, so even
though it might measure rather high, it'll be quite inaudible. You'd have to
add a resistor somewhere to lower just the PL level.

Make sure you measure and set the deviation with the PL turned on. Your
total deviation should be set for 4.5 to 5.0 kHz; it will be less without
PL.

I haven't seen a spec on the PL/DPL deviation in any MSF manual either.

Bob M.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation

[Bob M.]

As others have said, the PL/DPL deviation is NOT separately adjustable. It's a 
fixed percentage of the total deviation. It is very clean however, so even 
though it might measure rather high, it'll be quite inaudible. You'd have to 
add a resistor somewhere to lower just the PL level.

Make sure you measure and set the deviation with the PL turned on. Your total 
deviation should be set for 4.5 to 5.0 kHz; it will be less without PL.

I haven't seen a spec on the PL/DPL deviation in any MSF manual either.

Bob M.
==
--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Ralph Hogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ralph Hogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 10:43 PM
> Gang,
> New to MSF-5000's. Great piece of hardware. But more
> used to working with GE
> Mastr II's. Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying
> to get going on VHF. Have
> experimented with both the on-board controller stand alone
> as well as off
> board CAT. Several ee-pots to adjust in the software
> setting output audio
> levels, but none specific to just PL encode level. We got
> it adjusted for 5
> KHz output deviation, but noticed the PL encode deviation
> is a little high
> at about 900 Hz. I usually like to see around 600 to 750
> Hz. I couldn't find
> in the manuals anywhere what Moto spec'd PL deviation
> at for the MSF-5000.
> Looks like the PL level is a fixed percentage without an
> independent output
> level adjust. Probably something we are doing wrong in
> setting levels, but
> wanted to get some feedback from the group.
> Thanks in advance!
> Ralph W4XE


  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation

[Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco]

I put up a 5000 about 6 months ago and it works well but you are correct in 
that the ctcss deviation is not adjustable separately.  Mine runs around 900hz 
also with the total with voice set at 4.9khz.  Nobody notices a hum though.  
wb5oxq

  - Original Message - 
  From: wd8chl 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation


  Ralph Hogan wrote:
  > Gang,
  > New to MSF-5000's. Great piece of hardware. But more used to working with GE
  > Mastr II's. Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying to get going on VHF. Have
  > experimented with both the on-board controller stand alone as well as off
  > board CAT. Several ee-pots to adjust in the software setting output audio
  > levels, but none specific to just PL encode level. We got it adjusted for 5
  > KHz output deviation, but noticed the PL encode deviation is a little high
  > at about 900 Hz. I usually like to see around 600 to 750 Hz. I couldn't find
  > in the manuals anywhere what Moto spec'd PL deviation at for the MSF-5000.
  > Looks like the PL level is a fixed percentage without an independent output
  > level adjust. Probably something we are doing wrong in setting levels, but
  > wanted to get some feedback from the group.
  > Thanks in advance!
  > Ralph W4XE

  One thing I have seen some people do mistakenly is assume that the 
  +/-5KHz deviation spec is for voice audio. It is TOTAL deviation. You 
  should be staying under, really, 4.7-4.8 for ALL audio, WITH CTCSS 
  running...just checking...
  That said, I remember hearing on a list that the ratio is fixed. Chances 
  are, if you are getting 900 KHz of PL, your voice deviation is too high 
  too.


   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation

[wd8chl]

Ralph Hogan wrote:
> Gang,
> New to MSF-5000's. Great piece of hardware. But more used to working with GE
> Mastr II's. Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying to get going on VHF. Have
> experimented with both the on-board controller stand alone as well as off
> board CAT. Several ee-pots to adjust in the software setting output audio
> levels, but none specific to just PL encode level. We got it adjusted for 5
> KHz output deviation, but noticed the PL encode deviation is a little high
> at about 900 Hz. I usually like to see around 600 to 750 Hz. I couldn't find
> in the manuals anywhere what Moto spec'd PL deviation at for the MSF-5000.
> Looks like the PL level is a fixed percentage without an independent output
> level adjust. Probably something we are doing wrong in setting levels, but
> wanted to get some feedback from the group.
> Thanks in advance!
> Ralph W4XE

One thing I have seen some people do mistakenly is assume that the 
+/-5KHz deviation spec is for voice audio. It is TOTAL deviation. You 
should be staying under, really, 4.7-4.8 for ALL audio, WITH CTCSS 
running...just checking...
That said, I remember hearing on a list that the ratio is fixed. Chances 
are, if you are getting 900 KHz of PL, your voice deviation is too high 
too.

[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 PL encode deviation

[Ralph Hogan]

Gang,
New to MSF-5000's. Great piece of hardware. But more used to working with GE
Mastr II's. Have an MSF-5000 repeater we're trying to get going on VHF. Have
experimented with both the on-board controller stand alone as well as off
board CAT. Several ee-pots to adjust in the software setting output audio
levels, but none specific to just PL encode level. We got it adjusted for 5
KHz output deviation, but noticed the PL encode deviation is a little high
at about 900 Hz. I usually like to see around 600 to 750 Hz. I couldn't find
in the manuals anywhere what Moto spec'd PL deviation at for the MSF-5000.
Looks like the PL level is a fixed percentage without an independent output
level adjust. Probably something we are doing wrong in setting levels, but
wanted to get some feedback from the group.
Thanks in advance!
Ralph W4XE

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part

[Bob Luttrull]

Thanks I will check that out and get back to you.
Thanks
Bob
kd7ikz

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob M. 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part


  I think it's a standard Molex or Amp connector. You might be able to buy it 
from Mouser or Digikey. I can get the Motorola part numbers for the cable end 
but you will pay less elsewhere (unless it's a custom part).

  I can get you the wiring for it, but I'd guess the center pin is ground and 
the two outer pins feed the transformer. That should be easy to figure out.

  It would be far easier to just snip the connector off and splice an ordinary 
AC line cord to the wires, especially if you have no plans to ever install the 
supply into a real MSF station and just want to use it stand-alone.

  Bob M.
  ==
  --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Bob Luttrull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > From: Bob Luttrull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part
  > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 10:56 PM
  > Hi All 
  > I am looking for the AC power box with the lead to the
  > power supply 
  > for the MSF 5000 case. I have a TPN1185A I would like to
  > get up and 
  > working. Can anyone help?
  > Bob
  > kd7ikz



   

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part

[Bob M.]

I think it's a standard Molex or Amp connector. You might be able to buy it 
from Mouser or Digikey. I can get the Motorola part numbers for the cable end 
but you will pay less elsewhere (unless it's a custom part).

I can get you the wiring for it, but I'd guess the center pin is ground and the 
two outer pins feed the transformer. That should be easy to figure out.

It would be far easier to just snip the connector off and splice an ordinary AC 
line cord to the wires, especially if you have no plans to ever install the 
supply into a real MSF station and just want to use it stand-alone.

Bob M.
==
--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Bob Luttrull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Bob Luttrull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 10:56 PM
> Hi All 
> I am looking for the AC power box with the lead to the
> power supply 
> for the MSF 5000 case. I have a TPN1185A I would like to
> get up and 
> working. Can anyone help?
> Bob
> kd7ikz


  

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Part

[Bob Luttrull]

Hi All 
I am looking for the AC power box with the lead to the power supply 
for the MSF 5000 case. I have a TPN1185A I would like to get up and 
working. Can anyone help?
Bob
kd7ikz

 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB

[Eric Lemmon]

Bob,

Both power supplies have the same capacity and physical attributes.
However, when I compared their respective schematics in the Power Supply
Service Manual 6881094E30, I saw that the TPN1185 (Battery Charger) power
supply has several connections to the station RF tray that are not used in
the TPN1186 supply.  J603-5, -6, -8, and -9 have no connection on the
TPN1186 supply, but are wired to the RF Tray on the TPN1185 supply.  These
are AC Fail and overvoltage signals.  It would be prudent to ensure that the
appropriate interfaces on the CXB station side are wired or programmed to
use these signals.

The Power Supply Service Manual 6881094E30 is still available from Motorola
Parts for about $20.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Luttrull
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:19 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB

THe one for the CLB is TPN1185A and the one in the CXB is TPN1186B. on the
CLB it has a light for BATTRVRT and on the CXB it dose not.
Bob

- Original Message - 
From: Eric Lemmon <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB


Bob,

I'd say the chances are very good that you can switch power
supplies.
Nevertheless, please advise the model numbers of the power supplies
you
have.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Bob Luttrull
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:05 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
        Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB

HI All
I have 2 repeaters one is a MSF 5000 CLB and the other is a CXB. I 
would like to know if there is a way to use the power supply from
the 
CLB with battery backup in the CXB. I want to use the battery backup

on the CXB. I have an new CLB power supply in the box with battery 
backup. Can it be done?
ThankS
Bob
kd7ikz



 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB

[Bob Luttrull]

THe one for the CLB is TPN1185A and the one in the CXB is TPN1186B. on the CLB 
it has a ligth for BATTRVRT and on the CXB it dose not.
Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Lemmon 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:08 PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB


  Bob,

  I'd say the chances are very good that you can switch power supplies.
  Nevertheless, please advise the model numbers of the power supplies you
  have.

  73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Luttrull
  Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:05 PM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB

  HI All
  I have 2 repeaters one is a MSF 5000 CLB and the other is a CXB. I 
  would like to know if there is a way to use the power supply from the 
  CLB with battery backup in the CXB. I want to use the battery backup 
  on the CXB. I have an new CLB power supply in the box with battery 
  backup. Can it be done?
  ThankS
  Bob
  kd7ikz



   

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB

[Eric Lemmon]

Bob,

I'd say the chances are very good that you can switch power supplies.
Nevertheless, please advise the model numbers of the power supplies you
have.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Luttrull
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:05 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB

HI All
I have 2 repeaters one is a MSF 5000 CLB and the other is a CXB. I 
would like to know if there is a way to use the power supply from the 
CLB with battery backup in the CXB. I want to use the battery backup 
on the CXB. I have an new CLB power supply in the box with battery 
backup. Can it be done?
ThankS
Bob
kd7ikz

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB and CXB

[Bob Luttrull]

HI All
I have 2 repeaters one is a MSF 5000 CLB and the other is a CXB. I 
would like to know if there is a way to use the power supply from the 
CLB with battery backup in the CXB. I want to use the battery backup 
on the CXB. I have an new CLB power supply in the box with battery 
backup. Can it be done?
ThankS
Bob
kd7ikz

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 power supply

[n2nog]

Does anyone know where I can purchase or has an extra PC board for 
the MSF 5000 VHF  28 volt Power supply that incoprates the battery 
charger  model # TRN7277AH411T4

If there is another board that will work I do not need the battery 
charger version. 
All help is welcome Motorola does not cary this board any more

Thanks
N2NOG



--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The TPN1271A power supply is one of the many MSF5000 power supplies
> contained in Motorola's Power Supply Service Manual 6881094E30.  
This manual
> is an incredible bargain at less than $20 from Motorola Parts, 800-
422-4210.
> Most of the power supplies used in MSF, MSR, and Quantro stations 
are
> covered.  A nice ring binder is included.
> 
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n2nog
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:35 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 power supply
> 
> Hello 
> 
> Does anyone have the schematics on thw MSF5000 power supply? I have 
a 
> model # TPN1271A power supply that I need to repair.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> You can email me [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:N2NOG%40hotmail.com> 
> 
> Thanks
>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 power supply

[Eric Lemmon]

The TPN1271A power supply is one of the many MSF5000 power supplies
contained in Motorola's Power Supply Service Manual 6881094E30.  This manual
is an incredible bargain at less than $20 from Motorola Parts, 800-422-4210.
Most of the power supplies used in MSF, MSR, and Quantro stations are
covered.  A nice ring binder is included.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n2nog
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:35 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 power supply

Hello 

Does anyone have the schematics on thw MSF5000 power supply? I have a 
model # TPN1271A power supply that I need to repair.
Any help would be appreciated.
You can email me [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:N2NOG%40hotmail.com> 

Thanks

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 power supply

[n2nog]

Hello 

Does anyone have the schematics on thw MSF5000 power supply? I have a 
model # TPN1271A power supply that I need to repair.
Any help would be appreciated.
You can email me [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks

[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Magic "T" Cable

[w7hsg]

I have built up 2 MSF 5000 and help maintain another. Even with the correct 
cable, isolation (desense) of the MSF system is not good (about .25 microvolt 
measured.
So far, all of our systems use the stock MSF filters feeding a good duplexer 
such as the Motorola 4 can pass notch or PD 500 series.
I have played with varying the lengths of the arms and main branch.  We use RX 
low and TX high  (all 440 systems) 

Ralph

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB

[Bob M.]

If you have any kind of MSF metering panel, plug it in
and adjust the receive VCO tuning slug for 38uA in
position 5. If you don't have one, you'll have to make
something up that will plug into the RJ45 metering
jack on the front of the station. A simple 50uA DC
meter will work. Pins 6, 7, and 8 are ground, the
others are RX test points. Pin 5 is the one you'll
need to measure and adjust the tuning core.

You can do a similar procedure on the TX VCO. Move the
meter to the TX metering jack on the front and adjust
the TX VCO for 38uA.

The CXB stations were rated for 100% duty cycle. Only
the 110w and higher stations had fans on them; yours
would need the fans if it's going to be transmitting
for 15 minutes or more at a time.

The cold weather will definitely affect the VCOs, and
that's probably why the VCO LOCK LED is flickering.
But you should adjust it with a meter of some sort.
You can do a coarse adjustment by adjusting the tuning
slug to get the green LED lit all the time. If the VCO
unlocks, it will cause all sorts of problems in the
receiver, so let's tackle the obvious cause first.

Bob M.
==
--- Bob Luttrull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi
> The model # C74CLB-7106AT.
> It did it again. The RX light is blinking. When it
> said the time and ID heard 3 bees when it first
> keyed up. I had to put the fan back on it last night
> because I was getting that open squelch nose. Could
> the RF tray be getting to cold?
>  Bob
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Bob M. 
>   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:01 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB
> 
> 
>   Start by providing the entire model number of the
>   station, so we can give you some reasonable
> answers
>   that will address your questions and problems.
> 
>   Bob M.
>   ==
>   --- kd7ikz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   > Hi All 
>   > I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom
> controll. I
>   > am also runnig 
>   > echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater
> say
>   > the time every hour 
>   > and half hour. I was going to work today and the
>   > repeater said to time 
>   > ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the
>   > repeater did not key 
>   > up so I called home and the wife said that the
> TX
>   > light was on and the 
>   > RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to
> reset
>   > but the RX light 
>   > would not come back on. So I just let it be for
>   > about two hours and 
>   > tryed it again and the RX light came up. can
> anyone
>   > gave me any ides 
>   > on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on
> the
>   > RF tray and 
>   > station control because it gets to hot and when
> it
>   > TX it sounds like 
>   > it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater
>   > world. The repeater is 
>   > working fine other then that.
>   > Thanks
>   > Bob
>   > kd7ikz 
>   > echolink 216767


  

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB

[Bob Luttrull]

Hi
The model # C74CLB-7106AT.
It did it again. The RX light is blinking. When it said the time and ID heard 3 
bees when it first keyed up. I had to put the fan back on it last night because 
I was getting that open squelch nose. Could the RF tray be getting to cold?
 Bob

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob M. 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB


  Start by providing the entire model number of the
  station, so we can give you some reasonable answers
  that will address your questions and problems.

  Bob M.
  ==
  --- kd7ikz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Hi All 
  > I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I
  > am also runnig 
  > echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say
  > the time every hour 
  > and half hour. I was going to work today and the
  > repeater said to time 
  > ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the
  > repeater did not key 
  > up so I called home and the wife said that the TX
  > light was on and the 
  > RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset
  > but the RX light 
  > would not come back on. So I just let it be for
  > about two hours and 
  > tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone
  > gave me any ides 
  > on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the
  > RF tray and 
  > station control because it gets to hot and when it
  > TX it sounds like 
  > it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater
  > world. The repeater is 
  > working fine other then that.
  > Thanks
  > Bob
  > kd7ikz 
  > echolink 216767

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB

[Bob M.]

Start by providing the entire model number of the
station, so we can give you some reasonable answers
that will address your questions and problems.

Bob M.
==
--- kd7ikz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All 
> I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I
> am also runnig 
> echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say
> the time every hour 
> and half hour. I was going to work today and the
> repeater said to time 
> ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the
> repeater did not key 
> up so I called home and the wife said that the TX
> light was on and the 
> RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset
> but the RX light 
> would not come back on. So I just let it be for
> about two hours and 
> tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone
> gave me any ides 
> on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the
> RF tray and 
> station control because it gets to hot and when it
> TX it sounds like 
> it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater
> world. The repeater is 
> working fine other then that.
> Thanks
> Bob
> kd7ikz 
> echolink 216767


  

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[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CLB

[kd7ikz]

Hi All 
I am runnig a MSF 5000 CLB with a Arcom controll. I am also runnig 
echolink on the repeater. I have the repeater say the time every hour 
and half hour. I was going to work today and the repeater said to time 
ok. Then I was going to get on echolink and the repeater did not key 
up so I called home and the wife said that the TX light was on and the 
RX light was blinking on and off. She tryed to reset but the RX light 
would not come back on. So I just let it be for about two hours and 
tryed it again and the RX light came up. can anyone gave me any ides 
on what it mite be? Also I have to keep a fan on the RF tray and 
station control because it gets to hot and when it TX it sounds like 
it has a open squelch.I am new to the repeater world. The repeater is 
working fine other then that.
Thanks
Bob
kd7ikz 
echolink 216767

[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 high stability osc mod?

[kreick63]

Hi all.


 I have an MSF5000 900 analog repeater, but it is missing the HSO 
module - i have heard there is a mod to run the station without using 
the HSO mod - does anyone have any info on this?

tnx,


joe  ki8hp

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 repeater system

[Eric Lemmon]

Michael,

What is the complete model number of your station?  There are several
manuals that apply to the MSF-5000 station, and most of them are cheaper to
buy from Motorola than to make copies of them.  Unfortunately, some are no
longer in print.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of oe5fml
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 2:37 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 repeater system

Hello!

In the last days I get a MSF-5000 repeater system from Motorola. Now I 
am search for a documentation and circuit diagram of this system.
Have anyone this documents in PDF format and will send it to me?

73 Michael OE5FML

[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 repeater system

[oe5fml]

Hello!

In the last days I get a MSF-5000 repeater system from Motorola. Now I 
am search for a documentation and circuit diagram of this system.
Have anyone this documents in PDF format and will send it to me?

73 Michael OE5FML

Re: [Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 900mhz id

[Bob M.]

The CW ID will only fire when the squelch is closed.
You can't tell that unless you have a digital metering
panel or RSS computer hooked up (for digital-capable
stations), or go measure the squelch circuits. Tighten
up BOTH the RCVR squelch and the RPTR squelch and see
if that helps. The method varies according to the type
of station control board.

Also note that the CW ID is sent without PL/DPL, so if
you are listening with a tone-coded squelch receiver,
you may not hear it. The PA LEDs should come on,
however.

Bob M.
==
--- kc2kun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a msf 5000 900mhz. Up on the air.  THe
> machine been online for 
> acouple of days. I cwid is set but it will not
> transmit.  mike

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[Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 900mhz id

[kc2kun]

I have a msf 5000 900mhz. Up on the air.  THe machine been online for 
acouple of days. I cwid is set but it will not transmit.  mike

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 external PA

[Andrew G.]

I don't know about an MSR2000 PA because of the design of that station. I would 
think that if you gave the MSF station itself the voltages it wants through the 
control cable and had an external PA to take the IPA power, it would work. 
   
  P.S. I'm also interested if anybody has done something like this.
   
  Andy KC2GOW

 
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 external PA

[Bill Photinos]

Has anyone interfaced a PA other than a MSF5000 PA to a MSF5000 CXB?   
What is required?   Will a MSR2000 VHF PA work?  What are the 
connections needed? Where can teh connections be tapped?

Thanks,
   Bill -W4RVN

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CODEPLUG VERSION ISSUES

[Dick]

You can't "upgrade" the codeplug to an older software version.
 
You have to use software that's the same or later version than
what was last used to program the radio.
 
Dick
 
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From: Tom 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: 23 April, 2006 21:37
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CODEPLUG VERSION 
ISSUES
Hello,I'm running into a problem trying to program a 
Digital Capable version of the MSF 5000, UHF Low split version. I can read 
the codeplug and modify it but when it comes to re-programming back to the 
station I get an error that reads something like:"SSCB Firmware is 
version # /3 The codeplug you are programming is version # 05. Can not 
program station." The software version I have is 5.21 and the two 
versions that flash on the station screen are 5.52 & 5.41. I've tried 
the "upgrade codeplug version" in the RSS but whether it is System version 
1,2, or 3 the SSCB/TTRC "current vs. change to" versions are all set for 
5.What am I missing and how do I remedy the 
situation?Thanks.Tom 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CODEPLUG VERSION ISSUES

[Bob M.]

It sure sounds like you have Version 5 firmware to me.

Can you read the existing codeplug, then send it back
immediately to the station without doing anything
else, i.e. F2, followed by F8?

Can you write a "blank" codeplug to the station? I
think CONV3.DEF is the one for system 3 (version 5),
but you may have to fill in a few things first, like
Tx and Rx frequencies.

Try reloading the software from the floppy. Yes I know
it's not supposed to change, but you never know. Stuff
happens.

I have had stations come up with errors after being
programmed, from people jamming a V5 codeplug in a V3
firmware station. I just loaded a V3 codeplug into it
several times until it took it, then replaced the
firmware and started fresh with V5.

I don't know if you can "blank" an MSF5000, much less
how to do it. Luckily, even with all kinds of errors,
the CPUs usually respond to programming requests.

This is a strange one.

Bob M.
==
--- Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm running into a problem trying to program a
> Digital Capable version 
> of the MSF 5000, UHF Low split version. I can read
> the codeplug and 
> modify it but when it comes to re-programming back
> to the station I get 
> an error that reads something like:
> 
> "SSCB Firmware is version # /3 The codeplug you are
> programming is 
> version # 05. Can not program station." 
> 
> The software version I have is 5.21 and the two
> versions that flash on 
> the station screen are 5.52 & 5.41. I've tried the
> "upgrade codeplug 
> version" in the RSS but whether it is System version
> 1,2, or 3 the 
> SSCB/TTRC "current vs. change to" versions are all
> set for 5.
> 
> What am I missing and how do I remedy the situation?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tom

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[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 CODEPLUG VERSION ISSUES

[Tom]

Hello,

I'm running into a problem trying to program a Digital Capable version 
of the MSF 5000, UHF Low split version. I can read the codeplug and 
modify it but when it comes to re-programming back to the station I get 
an error that reads something like:

"SSCB Firmware is version # /3 The codeplug you are programming is 
version # 05. Can not program station." 

The software version I have is 5.21 and the two versions that flash on 
the station screen are 5.52 & 5.41. I've tried the "upgrade codeplug 
version" in the RSS but whether it is System version 1,2, or 3 the 
SSCB/TTRC "current vs. change to" versions are all set for 5.

What am I missing and how do I remedy the situation?

Thanks.

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals

[Eric Lemmon]

Mike,

The one manual I have is intended for "Digital Capable and Analog Plus
Stations."  Dunno about the Depot manuals.

I spent some time on MOL today, and found more MSF manuals still in print:

6881062E75, "MANUAL, SERV MSF5K UHF BASE/RP" $42.50
6881064E70, "MAN INSTR MSF5K 800 MHZ TRUNK" $44.63
6881065E70, "MAN SUPP MSF5K UHF PHONE APPL" $51.85
6881077E15, "MAN SUPP MSF5K UHF 6-75W" $27.41
6881077E25, "MSF5K RPTR 850-860 905-915 MHZ" $117.30
6881077E45, "INSTALLATION MANUAL" $6.16
6881078E25, "MSF5K TRK 851-869 TX806-824 RX" $44.63
6881078E40, "MAN OPER MSF5000 TRK RPTR" $14.45
6881079E95, "MAN SUPP MSF5K UHF SECURE" $61.41
6881080E30, "MANUAL, OPT MSF5K DGTL/ANLG" $44.63
6881080E80, "MAN SERV MSF10K VHF BASE/R" $167.45
6881081E95, "MANUAL, INSTL SMARTWORKS MSF5K" $46.96
6881082E90, "MAN INSTR MSF5K 800 MHZ JAPAN" $71.83
6881087E60, "MANUAL, SERV MSF5/10K DATA STA" $58.01
6881094E30, "MAN INSTR MSF5000 POWER SUPPLY" $17.00

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

 

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:56 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals

Eric -

Are those manual numbers for the "CLB" or the "CXB" / "RLB" series?

Don didn't say which one he had...

Mike

At 07:03 PM 04/12/06, you wrote:
>Don,
>
>The Basic Service Manual and all Detailed Service Manuals are still in
print
>and available from Motorola Parts at 800-422-4210.  The Basic manual
applies
>to all four bands of MSF5000 stations (VHF, UHF, 800, and 900), while the
>Detailed (Depot) manuals are unique to each band.  Each manual comes in a
>nice ring binder with tabs.  Here's the whole list:
>
>Basic Instruction Manual 6881092E05, about $41
>VHF Depot Manual 6881092E75, about $68
>UHF Depot Manual 6881092E80, ditto
>800 MHz Depot Manual 6881092E85, ditto
>900 MHz Depot Manual 6881092E90, ditto
>
>73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
>
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wisdom
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:26 PM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals
>
>Hi,
>Im looking for a set of MSF-5000 manuals for  UHF MSF-5000 low govt
>split.  Please advise on cost and availability.
>Thanks
>--Don Wisdom






 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals

[Bob M.]

The manuals below are all that's available these days.

I wouldn't call them "depot" manuals, as they're only
about 1-inch thick and are very incomplete. When I
bought my UHF set a few years ago, they had
schematics, board layouts, and parts lists for the
SSCB, TTRC, SEC modules, and some of the components in
the RF tray (Uniboard, notably). There was nothing
useful for the power supply or power amplifiers.
Theory of operation was minimal.

I also have one of the older 3-inch thick service
manuals that IS complete, with full documentation for
every module in the station. I'd call this a "depot"
manual for sure, as it even has troubleshooting info
and charts. But these are no longer available except
on the used market.

Same thing with the analog manuals. They had info on
every assembly in the station, but aren't available
any more.

The original poster inquired about a "set" of manuals,
so I would assume he is looking for info on the
digital station, which Eric provided below.

Bob M.
==
--- Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don,
> 
> The Basic Service Manual and all Detailed Service
> Manuals are still in print
> and available from Motorola Parts at 800-422-4210. 
> The Basic manual applies
> to all four bands of MSF5000 stations (VHF, UHF,
> 800, and 900), while the
> Detailed (Depot) manuals are unique to each band. 
> Each manual comes in a
> nice ring binder with tabs.  Here's the whole list:
> 
> Basic Instruction Manual 6881092E05, about $41
> VHF Depot Manual 6881092E75, about $68
> UHF Depot Manual 6881092E80, ditto
> 800 MHz Depot Manual 6881092E85, ditto
> 900 MHz Depot Manual 6881092E90, ditto
> 
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Don Wisdom
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:26 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals
> 
> Hi,
> Im looking for a set of MSF-5000 manuals for  UHF
> MSF-5000 low govt 
> split.  Please advise on cost and availability.
> Thanks
> --Don Wisdom

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals

[Mike Morris]

Eric -

Are those manual numbers for the "CLB" or the "CXB" / "RLB" series?

Don didn't say which one he had...

Mike

At 07:03 PM 04/12/06, you wrote:
>Don,
>
>The Basic Service Manual and all Detailed Service Manuals are still in print
>and available from Motorola Parts at 800-422-4210.  The Basic manual applies
>to all four bands of MSF5000 stations (VHF, UHF, 800, and 900), while the
>Detailed (Depot) manuals are unique to each band.  Each manual comes in a
>nice ring binder with tabs.  Here's the whole list:
>
>Basic Instruction Manual 6881092E05, about $41
>VHF Depot Manual 6881092E75, about $68
>UHF Depot Manual 6881092E80, ditto
>800 MHz Depot Manual 6881092E85, ditto
>900 MHz Depot Manual 6881092E90, ditto
>
>73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wisdom
>Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:26 PM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals
>
>Hi,
>Im looking for a set of MSF-5000 manuals for  UHF MSF-5000 low govt
>split.  Please advise on cost and availability.
>Thanks
>--Don Wisdom






 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals

[Eric Lemmon]

Don,

The Basic Service Manual and all Detailed Service Manuals are still in print
and available from Motorola Parts at 800-422-4210.  The Basic manual applies
to all four bands of MSF5000 stations (VHF, UHF, 800, and 900), while the
Detailed (Depot) manuals are unique to each band.  Each manual comes in a
nice ring binder with tabs.  Here's the whole list:

Basic Instruction Manual 6881092E05, about $41
VHF Depot Manual 6881092E75, about $68
UHF Depot Manual 6881092E80, ditto
800 MHz Depot Manual 6881092E85, ditto
900 MHz Depot Manual 6881092E90, ditto

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals

Hi,
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split.  Please advise on cost and availability.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals

[Bob M.]

I believe they were still available new from Motorola
as of late 2005. Of course, since the stations are now
10+ years old, whatever they have is all that's left,
and when that's gone, they aren't making any more.

Bob M.
==
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> Hi,
> Im looking for a set of MSF-5000 manuals for  UHF
> MSF-5000 low govt 
> split.  Please advise on cost and availability.
> Thanks
> --Don Wisdom

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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manuals

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split.  Please advise on cost and availability.
Thanks
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 and narrow band crystal filter?

[radio5000]

Try this- http://www.com-spec.com/narrow.htm
 
Will
KC4YBZ
 
In a message dated 8/25/2005 6:46:52 AM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello.  A group I am in was given a Motorola MSF-5000 repeater 
  thatwe're going to be using in the LMRS frequency range.  I am not 
  arepeater expert but am doing some of the legwork to figure out 
  whatneeds to be done.To get a frequency coordinated, the repeater 
  needs to operate in 12.5kHz narrow band.  It's my understanding that 
  this equipment is wideband but can be modified to narrow with a "narrow 
  band crystalfilter."  Does that sound correct and if so:  
  where does one find said crystal filter?  how difficult of a job is 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 and narrow band crystal filter?

[Maire-Radios]

still seeing some get 25k freg.(wide)  just had a office center get one in 
the 451.xxx  area.   So I think they are still out there.


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To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:28 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 and narrow band crystal filter?


> Hello.  A group I am in was given a Motorola MSF-5000 repeater that
> we're going to be using in the LMRS frequency range.  I am not a
> repeater expert but am doing some of the legwork to figure out what
> needs to be done.
>
> To get a frequency coordinated, the repeater needs to operate in 12.5
> kHz narrow band.  It's my understanding that this equipment is wide
> band but can be modified to narrow with a "narrow band crystal
> filter."  Does that sound correct and if so:
>  where does one find said crystal filter?
>  how difficult of a job is it to install?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Carlton
> W3DOE
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 and narrow band crystal filter?

[cdoe333]

Hello.  A group I am in was given a Motorola MSF-5000 repeater that
we're going to be using in the LMRS frequency range.  I am not a
repeater expert but am doing some of the legwork to figure out what
needs to be done.

To get a frequency coordinated, the repeater needs to operate in 12.5
kHz narrow band.  It's my understanding that this equipment is wide
band but can be modified to narrow with a "narrow band crystal
filter."  Does that sound correct and if so:
  where does one find said crystal filter?
  how difficult of a job is it to install?

Thanks a lot

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Time-out timer

[Andy Brinkley]

Set the TOT for "0" and it disables it.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Time-out timer

[Neil McKie]

  465 seconds is 7.75 Minutes ... I find it rare a TV station can 
 do a news broadcast for more than 5 or 6 minutes without breaking 
 for some damned commercials.  

  Is it possible to completely remove the time-out-timer? 

  Neil McKie 


dekk5fm wrote:
> 
> I work for a TV station, and we were planning to use an MSF-5000 
> to transmit our program audio to field crews. However, our local 
> /\/\ shop tells us that it is not possible to disable the time-out 
> timer, and that the maximum time is 465 seconds. We were thinking 
> more like 35 minutes, not 7, to transmit out the audio during an 
> entire newscast. 
> Any suggestions?
> 
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Time-out timer

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I work for a TV station, and we were planning to use an MSF-5000 to 
transmit our program audio to field crews. However, our local /\/\ shop 
tells us that it is not possible to disable the time-out timer, and 
that the maximum time is 465 seconds. We were thinking more like 35 
minutes, not 7, to transmit out the audio during an entire newscast.
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 Manual

[Joe]

Was someone looking for a manual for a MSF-5000 on this list?  If so, I 
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[Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 uhf amplifier?????

[Toby Hoover]

some one send me a mesage  about the amplifier 
for msf 500 uhf repeater.
 
the amp i have is model tle 1713.  that take 
1.5 to drive it. and putout about 75 watts.
 
i lost your email about the ?? 1522 amp for the mfs 
5000
 
why cant i use the tle1713 .???  on the 
mfs500
 
what is the right amp?
 
 
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000

[Steve Helton]

I have an 
MSF-5000 that will not ID. I have programmed the info into the correct location 
and it ID'ed the first time I programmed it. I had to change the hang timer and 
now the repeater will not ID. I am using the internal Motorola controller and it 
is a CXB Digital model UHF repeater. We have several of these and the others are 
working fine. I have tried reloading the software into the machine several times 
with no luck. Anyone know if I am missing something here?
 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 uhf amplifier TLE1713

[Toby Hoover]

IF THE CLUB HAVE THE WORNG AMP ?
 WHAT IS THE TLE1713   GOOD  FOR UHF OR VHF. AND HOW MANY WATTS.

 WHAT IS THE RIGHT MODEL  NUBMER  FOR  THE AMP WE NEED FOR THE REPEATER. 20 
TO 40 WATTS RANGE


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> Unfortunately, you have the wrong amp. the TLE1713 is for a Micor 
> repeater,
> it takes 1.5 watts to fully drive it. Lance N2HBA
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>>  i have it working.. but can't seem to get the amp to work.
>>  the only thing on print on the amp is TLE1713A
>>   does the mean anything???
>>  the repeater is a motorola mfs 5000. i don"t know if this
>>  was the amp for this repeater or not. this repeater been
>>  pass around for years. no one know if it every work or not.
>>   HOW MANY WATTS DOES IT TAKE TO DRIVE IT??
>>  DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY DOC ON IT???
>>  HOW DO I FIND THE MODEL NUBMER. ON IT???
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 uhf amplifier

[Captainlance]

Unfortunately, you have the wrong amp. the TLE1713 is for a Micor repeater,
it takes 1.5 watts to fully drive it. Lance N2HBA
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>  I been putting together a uhf repeater for the club.
>  i have it working.. but can't seem to get the amp to work.
>  the only thing on print on the amp is TLE1713A
>   does the mean anything???
>  the repeater is a motorola mfs 5000. i don"t know if this
>  was the amp for this repeater or not. this repeater been
>  pass around for years. no one know if it every work or not.
>   HOW MANY WATTS DOES IT TAKE TO DRIVE IT??
>  DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY DOC ON IT???
>  HOW DO I FIND THE MODEL NUBMER. ON IT???
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>  73  TOBY..
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[Repeater-Builder] msf 5000 uhf amplifier

[n9fdf_9]

 I been putting together a uhf repeater for the club.
 i have it working.. but can't seem to get the amp to work.
 the only thing on print on the amp is TLE1713A
  does the mean anything???
 the repeater is a motorola mfs 5000. i don"t know if this
 was the amp for this repeater or not. this repeater been
 pass around for years. no one know if it every work or not.
  HOW MANY WATTS DOES IT TAKE TO DRIVE IT??
 DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY DOC ON IT???
 HOW DO I FIND THE MODEL NUBMER. ON IT???

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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 UHF CXB 75wt

[Mike Mullarkey]

I will be posting the repeater for sale due to space
constraints at the site I am at. I would be willing to trade for a TKR-850k if
someone is interested. The repeater is on line and operational at the hill top
tuned at 441.650 + ctcss 77.0 . I can send pictures if someone wants some but
please contact me off the list.

 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 key up delay problem (now strobe light interference)

[Glenn Little WB4UIV]

About the only way to get rid of the strobe light interference is to get as 
far from the strobes as possible. Some of the strobe manufacturers have a 
EMI cage to go over the strobe, but this does not do much good. This 
information is about two years old when I worked for a company that 
designed tower site monitoring equipment.

I wish you luck. Maybe with a new person in charge of the FCC we can get 
some relief from all of the "non intentional" emitters.

73
Glenn
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   At 11:00 PM 01/23/05, you wrote:
>Thanks Neil, that was exactly the problem.  The Spectra-Tac delay was set 
>to 1500 msec.  I guess my second counting was a little fast, as it was 
>only about a second and a half in reality.  I set the delay to zero for 
>now until I can locate a non Spectra-Tac codeplug, and all seems to be 
>working good for now.  Well except for the interference I'm getting from 
>the strobe light on the mast that the antenna is on.  When I shut off the 
>strobe light off all the noise goes away.  Just something else to work on 
>I guess.
>
>Anyone have any experience with strobe light interference?  Any solutions?
>
>T.J.
>
>nj902 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "T.J." wrote:
>"I'm looking to see if any one on the list that runs an MSF 5000 has
>experienced this problem. When I key up this VHF MSF and start
>counting, the repeater doesn't key up and start retransmitting untill
>I get to four. So there is about a good two second delay to repeater
>key up..."
>_
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>One possible cause of that behavior would be if your station was ever
>set up for use with a Motorola Spectra-TAC voting system. In such
>systems the normal repeat audio path is through the voting comparator
>and back to the station through the wire-line.
>
>A station that is set up for Spectra-TAC and is also set up as a
>repeater has a mode called "in-cabinet repeat". Basically what
>happens is that when the receiver unsquelches, the controller expects
>to receive a line key command from the voting comparator. If that
>never comes - the station will eventually key up and repeat
>"in-cabinet". That would exactly account for what you are seeing.
>
>If your station does have Spectra-TAC enabled, it would be preferable
>for you to load a conventional non Spectra-TAC codeplug, however you
>could go to the "Edit Advanced Information" page three and try setting
>the "S-Tac Clear Repeater Delay" parameter to zero.
>
>You can tell if your station has Spectra-TAC enabled by going to the
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 key up delay problem (now strobe light interference)

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Thanks Neil, that was exactly the problem.  The Spectra-Tac delay was set to 1500 msec.  I guess my second counting was a little fast, as it was only about a second and a half in reality.  I set the delay to zero for now until I can locate a non Spectra-Tac codeplug, and all seems to be working good for now.  Well except for the interference I'm getting from the strobe light on the mast that the antenna is on.  When I shut off the strobe light off all the noise goes away.  Just something else to work on I guess.  
 
Anyone have any experience with strobe light interference?  Any solutions?
 
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--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "T.J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:"I'm looking to see if any one on the list that runs an MSF 5000 hasexperienced this problem. When I key up this VHF MSF and startcounting, the repeater doesn't key up and start retransmitting untillI get to four. So there is about a good two second delay to repeaterkey up..."_One possible cause of that behavior would be if your station was everset up for use with a Motorola Spectra-TAC voting system. In suchsystems the normal repeat audio path is through the voting comparatorand back to the station through the wire-line.A station that is set up for Spectra-TAC and is also set up as arepeater has a mode called "in-cabinet repeat". Basically whathappens is that when the receiver unsquelches, the
 controller expectsto receive a line key command from the voting comparator. If thatnever comes - the station will eventually key up and repeat"in-cabinet". That would exactly account for what you are seeing.If your station does have Spectra-TAC enabled, it would be preferablefor you to load a conventional non Spectra-TAC codeplug, however youcould go to the "Edit Advanced Information" page three and try settingthe "S-Tac Clear Repeater Delay" parameter to zero.You can tell if your station has Spectra-TAC enabled by going to theF8 Station Model / Options screen in F4 Change / View.













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 key up delay problem

[radio5000]

I had a R100 that did the same thing. Turned out to be a leaky "and" gate- 
the hang timer cap had to charge before tx would begin. Hope that helps.  
Will, KC4YBZ
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:51:24 AM Central Standard Time, 
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  I'm looking to see if any one on the list that runs an MSF 5000 has 
  experienced this problem.  When I key up this VHF MSF and start counting, 
  the repeater doesn't key up and start retransmitting untill I get to 
  four.  So there is about a good two second delay to repeater key 
  up.  When I hook up the test set the receive audio comes out the local 
  speaker with no delay.  The repeater keys up instantly with the local PTT 
  switch.  If the repeater is still keyed up during the hang time and you 
  key back up again the audio comes through with no delay.  As soon as you 
  let the hang time expire it takes two full seconds of an incoming signal to 
  get it to key up again.  I've gone through all the delay setting in the 
  RSS and set them to zero.  I also tried setting everything back to 
  default, and neither of these actions made any difference.  If anyone has 
  any ideas on what this could be I would very much appreciate it.
   
  Thanks, T.J. 
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 key up delay problem

[T.J.]

I'm looking to see if any one on the list that runs an MSF 5000 has experienced this problem.  When I key up this VHF MSF and start counting, the repeater doesn't key up and start retransmitting untill I get to four.  So there is about a good two second delay to repeater key up.  When I hook up the test set the receive audio comes out the local speaker with no delay.  The repeater keys up instantly with the local PTT switch.  If the repeater is still keyed up during the hang time and you key back up again the audio comes through with no delay.  As soon as you let the hang time expire it takes two full seconds of an incoming signal to get it to key up again.  I've gone through all the delay setting in the RSS and set them to zero.  I also tried setting everything back to default, and neither of these actions made any difference.  If anyone has any ideas on what this could be I would very much appreciate it.
 
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 UHF 75wt CXB Model

[Mike Mullarkey]

MOTOROLA MSF-5000 UHF CXB 75wt

Does anybody have an idea how much these units are bringing on the used
market. I have a unit that is in mint like condition and wanted to sell it to replace
it with a smaller rack mount unit due to space. It is currently up and operational
and yes in the ham band 441.650 ctcss 77.0

 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 analog station programming

[Don]

>Kevin , I recall reading somwhere that http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com/ 
>Will do this or have the info


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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 analog station programming

[Kevin Berlen]

We have had a MSF-5000 station donated to replace of of our
UHF repeaters. This sation is one of the older analog units that
require a PROM to be programmed to change the frequency.
Does anyone on the list know of a source to get this done?
Also, what options should be set to use the unit with an external
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 programming

[Kevin Berlen]

I have the opprutunity to help a group with a UHF MSF-5000 project.
I have not yet seen the station, but if it turns out to be a digital capable
station that can be programmed via RSS, is there any "slight of hand"
necessary to get down into the 440 ham band? I have the necessary
cables and RSS to program this version of the station, but have never
attempted to move one down to 440MHz. TIA and 73,

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[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000 Internal Duplexer Tee?

[surf_boy82]

Question for the group with those familiar with MSF 5000 repeaters, 
specifically the UHF ones with internal filtering: 

The "Duplexer Tee", the little silver block about 1 inch square that 
connects between the receiver and transmitter filter output and gives 
you your antenna connection is available in several different 
flavors. 

Mine is the one with the green band around one of the connections. 
It's the 435-475 "Transmit Low, Receive High, 5-20MHz" one. 

I recently retuned the station for a different pair, transmit high, 
receive low. The manual says I need the TLE5772B "Transmit High, 
Receive Low 5-20MHz" with the yellow band around one of the 
connections. 

How critical is this? Do I actually need it? I've got no clue how 
this thing works and I'm not familiar with this screwy MSF 5000 non-
duplexer type way of duplexing. Am I going to damage anything by 
using the existing green banded "duplexer tee", or will I suffer any 
degradation of signal, or what's the story? 

I called Motorola Parts ID & Purchasing (800) 422-4210, and was told 
the TLE5772B is no longer available period. Whatsoever. Stop-
bothering-us-cuz-you-aint-gonna-get-it-cuz-we-dont-got-it. 

Does anyone happen to have the one I need that would be interested in 
trading with me, or just selling it to me? 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000

[russ]

Hey John and the group,

Our ten meters is down as the riggers are working on the tower. Taking one
down and installing a new one. (Going from 400' to 525') but it is south of
Philly south of Chester PA. We do get into down town Manhatten (NY) from two
of our repeaters. South MT. and The Lake. if you drop a line to Kathy, AB2LF
at the club e-mail ask her to send you a list of the Metro-Comm repeaters it
will tell you a pile of stuff. The repeaters are all open (no dues) so you
are most welcome to use any of the system.
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Enjoy and 73!

Russ, W3CH
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> "Metro-Com"
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> Is that the system in or near New York that has repeaters on 10 meters, 6
> meters, 2 meters, 220 MHz & 440 MHz and they are tied in together so that
> users talking on HT's on UHF tie up the 10 meter channel during skip
> conditions?
>
> "russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SNIP
> > You are going to love 927 Ham! We are having a ball on the Metro-Comm
927
> > system here in NJ.
> > Very best of 73,
> > Russ, W3CH
> > Trustee W3PS
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000

[JOHN MACKEY]

"Metro-Com" 

Is that the system in or near New York that has repeaters on 10 meters, 6
meters, 2 meters, 220 MHz & 440 MHz and they are tied in together so that
users talking on HT's on UHF tie up the 10 meter channel during skip
conditions?

"russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
SNIP
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> system here in NJ.
> Very best of 73,
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000

[russ]

They work great but watch out a lot of them are pageing transmitters. Some
are even 5kz tx and not 2.5kz. Some have 72 MHz receivers and some have sat
receivers. Be careful of what you are buying. The fellow who moved ours down
to the ham bands. 927 tx and 902 rx used Lab software.
You are going to love 927 Ham! We are having a ball on the Metro-Comm 927
system here in NJ.
Very best of 73,
Russ, W3CH
Trustee W3PS
Metro-Comm repeater
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> Will the 900-MHz MSF-5000s work in the ham band? If so, do you have to use
> some special "hacked" RSS software or cumbersome "hex editor" to move it
to
> the ham band? I see these often up for sale and/or auction and would like
> to know before I consider getting one.
> LJ
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> They make very good repeaters. If the one you have is close enough to the
> HAM band then you can move it without very much of a problem.
>
> If you don't want to tackle it, and you are close to Dallas, and you want
to
> sell the unit, let me know.
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> > given a UHF version MSF 5000 with 110 watt final. Do these make good
> > Amateuer Rptrs and what is required to convert them or make them work
> > on the Amateur bands???
> > Also what is this Repeater worth on the open (e-bay) market???
> >
> > The club is wanting to know if it is worth the time and investment to
> > get it on the air.
> >
> > TNX,
> >
> > Dennis Carpenter   ki5fw
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000

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Will the 900-MHz MSF-5000s work in the ham band? If so, do you have to use
some special "hacked" RSS software or cumbersome "hex editor" to move it to
the ham band? I see these often up for sale and/or auction and would like
to know before I consider getting one.
LJ

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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:56:48 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000


They make very good repeaters. If the one you have is close enough to the
HAM band then you can move it without very much of a problem.

If you don't want to tackle it, and you are close to Dallas, and you want to
sell the unit, let me know.

Charles Miller
WD5EEH

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Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 7:52 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000


> I'm not familiar with Motorola, more so with GE. A local club was
> given a UHF version MSF 5000 with 110 watt final. Do these make good
> Amateuer Rptrs and what is required to convert them or make them work
> on the Amateur bands???
> Also what is this Repeater worth on the open (e-bay) market???
>
> The club is wanting to know if it is worth the time and investment to
> get it on the air.
>
> TNX,
>
> Dennis Carpenter   ki5fw
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000

[Charles Miller]

They make very good repeaters. If the one you have is close enough to the
HAM band then you can move it without very much of a problem.

If you don't want to tackle it, and you are close to Dallas, and you want to
sell the unit, let me know.

Charles Miller
WD5EEH

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Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 7:52 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000


> I'm not familiar with Motorola, more so with GE. A local club was
> given a UHF version MSF 5000 with 110 watt final. Do these make good
> Amateuer Rptrs and what is required to convert them or make them work
> on the Amateur bands???
> Also what is this Repeater worth on the open (e-bay) market???
>
> The club is wanting to know if it is worth the time and investment to
> get it on the air.
>
> TNX,
>
> Dennis Carpenter   ki5fw
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000

[ki5fw]

I'm not familiar with Motorola, more so with GE. A local club was 
given a UHF version MSF 5000 with 110 watt final. Do these make good 
Amateuer Rptrs and what is required to convert them or make them work 
on the Amateur bands???
Also what is this Repeater worth on the open (e-bay) market??? 

The club is wanting to know if it is worth the time and investment to 
get it on the air.

TNX,

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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000 controller case needed.

[djwillienj]

I'm looking for a case for the MSF-5000 controller (TLN3047A0102N).

Thanks!!
-Bill H.
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000

[KCØEJX]

try::

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/msf5000

That is the group dedicated to the Motorola MSF5000, MSF1, PURC5000 and
Darcom radios.

Thanks

Andrew D. Hudanish
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[Repeater-Builder] MSF-5000

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I am having a problem finding the MFS-5000 Group. Any help?





 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000

[Roger Grady]

At 10:43 PM 11/12/03 -, ad5ik wrote:
>Hello.
>
>I am looking for info on the MSF 5000.  Is anyone using one on 2 
>meters?  If so, how does it perform and are they a good choice for a 
>2 meter repeater?  Also, what is a reasonable price to pay for one 
>(digital type).

I can't really give you much information but our club is using a (digital)
MSF-5000 on 2m and it works great. Of course it replaced a very tired GE
Master Pro so almost anything would have been an improvement. I can't
comment on the price as ours was donated by a local company that went to an
800mhz trunking system.

It takes a computer with the Motorola programming s/w and an interface box
and cable to do almost anything to the repeater - fortunately we have a
member with the necessary skills and equipment. We use an Scom 7K
controller on it which was simple to interface. There's a 25 pin DB on the
MSF with all the necessary connections.

Roger Grady  K9OPO



 

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[Repeater-Builder] MSF 5000

[ad5ik]

Hello.

I am looking for info on the MSF 5000.  Is anyone using one on 2 
meters?  If so, how does it perform and are they a good choice for a 
2 meter repeater?  Also, what is a reasonable price to pay for one 
(digital type).

Thanks and 73

Kirk





 

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