Re: [RDD] Interface on one machine, playout on another?

[Nathan Steele]

I dont think you can unless things have changed in the last year.


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On May 13, 2015 1:00:53 AM Alessio Elmi  wrote:


Lorne,
do you think it is possible to mix two audio resources?
Let's say we have Studio A, connected to the mixer and Studio B as a
production workstation. Can we say that RDAirPlay of B must go to studio A
and eventually on air, while RDLibrary stays locally just to manage the
library?

Alessio

Il giorno mer 13 mag 2015 alle ore 07:43 Lorne Tyndale <
ltynd...@tyndaleweb.com> ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> That is exactly what that Core Audio Engine setting is for.  You can set
> up a new host (in this case, Host 2), and tell it in rdadmin to use the
> audio engine (in this case, another word for the sound card) on Host 1.
> Then you just set your audio in's and out's based on the resources
> available on Host 1.  It works quite well (and can be lots of fun on
> April 1st when you want to make unexpected audio come out of someone's
> cue speaker!)
>
>
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: [RDD] Interface on one machine, playout on another?
> > From: Jay Eames 
> > Date: Wed, May 13, 2015 1:06 am
> > To: John Anderson 
> > Cc: "rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org"
> > 
> >
> >
> > Not sure if this will help, or in fact if this was part of the design,
> but I have inadvertently done this in the past by setting the host core
> audio engine of an auxiliary machine to that of the playout PC in rdadmin
> host settings.
> >
> > > On 13 May 2015, at 04:43, John Anderson  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 2015-05-12 at 22:32 -0500, Keith Thelen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Right now I have one machine all set up and running Rivendell. I'm
> planning on adding a second machine to the mix -
> > >> an all-in-one unit with a touchscreen, no expansion slots, and no
> on-board audio hardware. The purpose of this second
> > >> machine would be to run RDPanel, allowing the talent to have more
> buttons at their fingertips. Simple enough.
> > >
> > > is this the same studio or an extension?  is there some reason you just
> > > didn't add a 2nd screen.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Thing is, I'd like to have this second machine merely act as an
> extension of the first.
> > >> Any audio playout triggered on it would actually occur on the other
> machine. I'm not talking
> > >> about a netjack-type scenario - the idea would be that no audio would
> actually be handled by
> > >
> > > more like an aux studio...?  I'd likely do a kvm extension on some
> video
> > > extenders...(of course, I do have that laying around).  In a whole lot
> > > of cases, I use an older tried and true (& CHEAP) way to not reinvent
> > > the wheel.
> > >
> > > I know some folks were experiment with thin clients, but, it's seems
> > > like a bit of bother for no real reason
> > >
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[RDD] Open source streaming.

[Nathan Steele]

Looking to build a stream box to stream my 3 stations to an icecast server, 
two stations will need multiple streams at different bitrates.


I currently have two computers running samcast. Need to add the third 
station and would rather replace the two computers with one rather than add 
a third.


Glasscoder? Id prefer something with a gui incase i need to have airstaff 
run and check it.


Thanks guys, sorry this isnt really a riv question but i know you all are 
the best to ask!



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[RDD] Fwd: Re: Hard start times from music import.

[Nathan Steele]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [RDD] Hard start times from music import.
Date:   Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:05:20 -0400
From:   Nathan Steele 
To: Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com>



I'll have to check, I know I don't have NTP setup yet on the one so
maybe that's it.

They were set to the same timezones initially.

Although I really don't see why that should affect log generation? the
actual time doesn't matter till playout.the fact that the top of
hour should be set as a hard start time should be irrelevant of the
actual time.

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On 7/14/2014 7:59 AM, Rob Landry wrote:



On Fri, 11 Jul 2014, Nathan Steele wrote:


Two Rivendell systems,both the same, newest version, same music
scheduler (though different music), same import settings, same event,
clock and grid. One brings in the TOH ID with a hard time, the other
New system does not.



What am I missing?


Are the clocks on the two machines correct? Are they running in the
same time zone?

To put it another way, does anybody really know what time it is?


Rob







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[RDD] Hard start times from music import.

[Nathan Steele]

Two Rivendell systems,both the same, newest version, same music 
scheduler (though different music), same import settings, same event, 
clock and grid. One brings in the TOH ID with a hard time, the other New 
system does not.


What am
I missing?

The clock has a single event, music import from 00:00:0 to 59:59:9, the 
import event is set as a hard start time, make next, segue, and imported 
events set to segue, no pre or post imports, everything scheduled from 
music master. the files music master generates are in the same format 
and the custom import settings in rd are the same.both grids have 
the same clock with the import event in every slot, everything comes 
from the scheduler.


Thanks,

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[RDD] windows binaries, host question.

[Nathan Steele]

Do I need to setup my windows machines as host's in RDADMIN?

I can generate a log but the Merge Music is showing red as not 
availible.works fine on a rivendell host.


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[RDD] RDCATCH feature request/enhancements

[Nathan Steele]

Currently setting up RDCatch for my second Rivendell system. I have a 
ton of programs to put in, some from AMB-OS via AMB-UX, Some from FTP, 
none from audio recording though.


1) It would be incredibly handy, and I would think rather trivial to 
implement, to have a RUN NOW button. I want these to download in the 
middle of the night, but I want to test them when I set it up, and again 
when the first test doesn't work because I made a mistake, etc also 
useful if an unattended download fails for some reason. Currently yo 
have to change the time to some time close to now, save it as new, wait, 
and delete once you get it working.


2) how about an option to remove the entry after it runs when it is set 
as a oneshot? I can understand why you might want a one shot to stick 
around, but another check box to "delete after run" only active if made 
oneshot, would be nice too. I like to keep it uncluttered when there are 
so many entries anyway.


3) The error reporting is next to useless, almost every error i get 
seems to be "unspecified server error" whether it is because the file 
didn't exist, or the password was wrong or whatever. is there anyway 
these can be made more informative? also a definition of the EXIT CODE 
might be useful. Maybe on a mouse over?


4)Let me hide columns I don't want to see. for example, right now I'd 
really just like to see:

Description|Start|Source|Destination|Oneshot|Status|exitCode

5) I know this is a long requested feature, but I'dreally like to have 
the windows resizable, I can't get the window small enough to put 
RDCATCH and RDLibrary Next to each other.  I switch back and forth a lot 
to play the files I just setup in rdcatch to make sure it's really the 
program I thought it was.


That is allThanks!

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[RDD] MYSQL local access

[Nathan Steele]

Setup my new system for remote access, but now have no local access to 
mysqlWhat did I miss? I have this working on my other system, but 
it's been three years since I set it up..


Basically followed instructions here:

http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/Remote_Client_Access

But using webmin istead of mysql-admin.

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Re: [RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

Well, there seems to be no way around this. As far as I can tell, the 
Air Date/Time enabled sets Start_datetime and End_datetime fields when 
enabled and nulls them if disabled. Disabling in RD library fixes my 
problem, but setting the values to NULL in mysql does not. I need a way 
to force RD to recheck the validity of the entire library en masse after 
the SQL edits. even changing the validity fields doesn't work.making 
the cuts /carts evergreen doesn't work either.


Of course the root of the problem is the wrong endtimes coming in from 
the import, but I have to use the metadata or I won't have the artist 
and title info..there seems to be no way to use the metadata but 
ignore the start/end datetimes..


Well, this is a serious problem for anyone migrating from wide 
orbit..oh well the logs will play as long as the first cart is 
valid, it seems to keep playing so I must move on. SOMEONE is going to 
gt the mind numbingly boring task of going through 2 carts and 
setting them all to start/end datetime disabled.and it's not going 
to be ME.


I thought about reimporting with the end date offset, but it is limited 
to 7 days... i need a hundred years or so...


Anyone know how I can strip the end dates out of the original files but 
leave theartist/title metadata? In an automated fashion of course..


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On 6/23/2014 5:47 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
Of course this proccess took longer than the RDLibrary way..so 
unless I can automate it, and that's above my head at the moment, it 
doesn't help.


At least I learned something today.

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On 6/23/2014 5:44 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:

Now I tried to fix a cart from MYSQL only.

First I checked the length of cart 5652 (really the cut in that cart 
but it is only cut, and all carts so far only have one cut)




mysql> SELECT * FROM CUTS WHERE CART_NUMBER = '5652' ;
++-+---+---++--+--++-+-+-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-+-++-+-+--+---+--+---+-+--+--+---+-+---+--++---+-++--++--++ 

| CUT_NAME   | CART_NUMBER | EVERGREEN | DESCRIPTION   | 
OUTCUE | ISRC | ISCI | LENGTH | ORIGIN_DATETIME | 
START_DATETIME  | END_DATETIME| SUN  | MON  | TUE  | WED  
| THU  | FRI  | SAT  | START_DAYPART | END_DAYPART | ORIGIN_NAME | 
WEIGHT | LAST_PLAY_DATETIME  | UPLOAD_DATETIME | PLAY_COUNTER | 
LOCAL_COUNTER | VALIDITY | CODING_FORMAT | SAMPLE_RATE | BIT_RATE | 
CHANNELS | PLAY_GAIN | START_POINT | END_POINT | FADEUP_POINT | 
FADEDOWN_POINT | SEGUE_START_POINT | SEGUE_END_POINT | SEGUE_GAIN | 
HOOK_START_POINT | HOOK_END_POINT | TALK_START_POINT | TALK_END_POINT |
++-+---+---++--+--++-+-+-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-+-++-+-+--+---+--+---+-+--+--+---+-+---+--++---+-++--++--++ 

| 005652_001 |5652 | N | I Know Enough To Know | 
NULL   | NULL |  | 219834 | 2014-05-18 12:27:26 | 2014-06-01 
00:00:00 | 2075-06-06 00:00:00 | Y| Y| Y| Y| Y | Y
| Y| NULL  | NULL| rdhost  |  1 | 
2014-06-23 11:18:45 | NULL|3 | 3 |2 
| 0 |   44100 | 0 |2 | 0 |   
0 |219834 |   -1 | -1 |-1 |  
-1 | -3000 | -1 | -1 |0 |  17000 |
++-+---+---++--+--++-+-+-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-+-++-+-+--+---+--+---+-+--+--+---+-+---+--++---+-++--++-

Re: [RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

Of course this proccess took longer than the RDLibrary way..so 
unless I can automate it, and that's above my head at the moment, it 
doesn't help.


At least I learned something today.

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Chief Engineer/Technical Director

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On 6/23/2014 5:44 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:

Now I tried to fix a cart from MYSQL only.

First I checked the length of cart 5652 (really the cut in that cart 
but it is only cut, and all carts so far only have one cut)




mysql> SELECT * FROM CUTS WHERE CART_NUMBER = '5652' ;
++-+---+---++--+--++-+-+-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-+-++-+-+--+---+--+---+-+--+--+---+-+---+--++---+-++--++--++ 

| CUT_NAME   | CART_NUMBER | EVERGREEN | DESCRIPTION   | 
OUTCUE | ISRC | ISCI | LENGTH | ORIGIN_DATETIME | 
START_DATETIME  | END_DATETIME| SUN  | MON  | TUE  | WED  
| THU  | FRI  | SAT  | START_DAYPART | END_DAYPART | ORIGIN_NAME | 
WEIGHT | LAST_PLAY_DATETIME  | UPLOAD_DATETIME | PLAY_COUNTER | 
LOCAL_COUNTER | VALIDITY | CODING_FORMAT | SAMPLE_RATE | BIT_RATE | 
CHANNELS | PLAY_GAIN | START_POINT | END_POINT | FADEUP_POINT | 
FADEDOWN_POINT | SEGUE_START_POINT | SEGUE_END_POINT | SEGUE_GAIN | 
HOOK_START_POINT | HOOK_END_POINT | TALK_START_POINT | TALK_END_POINT |
++-+---+---++--+--++-+-+-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-+-++-+-+--+---+--+---+-+--+--+---+-+---+--++---+-++--++--++ 

| 005652_001 |5652 | N | I Know Enough To Know | 
NULL   | NULL |  | 219834 | 2014-05-18 12:27:26 | 2014-06-01 
00:00:00 | 2075-06-06 00:00:00 | Y| Y| Y| Y| Y | Y
| Y| NULL  | NULL| rdhost  |  1 | 
2014-06-23 11:18:45 | NULL|3 | 3 |2 
| 0 |   44100 | 0 |2 | 0 |   0 
|219834 |   -1 | -1 |-1 |  -1 
| -3000 | -1 | -1 |0 |  17000 |
++-+---+---++--+--++-+-+-+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+---+-+-++-+-+--+---+--+---+-+--+--+---+-+---+--++---+-++--++--++ 


1 row in set (0.00 sec)



Length is 219834. Checking the Cart:



mysql> SELECT * FROM CART  WHERE NUMBER = '5652' ;
++--++---+-+---+--+--+---+---+++---+--++-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--+-+-+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+ 

| NUMBER | TYPE | GROUP_NAME | TITLE | ARTIST | ALBUM 
| YEAR | ISRC | LABEL | CONDUCTOR | CLIENT | AGENCY | PUBLISHER | 
COMPOSER | USER_DEFINED   | SONG_ID | BPM  | USAGE_CODE | 
FORCED_LENGTH | AVERAGE_LENGTH | LENGTH_DEVIATION | 
AVERAGE_SEGUE_LENGTH | AVERAGE_HOOK_LENGTH | CUT_QUANTITY | 
LAST_CUT_PLAYED | PLAY_ORDER | VALIDITY | START_DATETIME  | 
END_DATETIME| ENFORCE_LENGTH | PRESERVE_PITCH | ASYNCRONOUS | 
OWNER | MACROS | SCHED_CODES | NOTES | METADATA_DATETIME   | 
USE_EVENT_LENGTH | PENDING_STAT

Re: [RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

NG_PID | 
PENDING_DATETIME |

++--++---+-+---+--+--+---+---+++---+--++-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--+-+-+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+
|   5652 |1 | 101| I Know Enough To Know | Wine Family | 
NULL  | NULL | NULL | NULL  | NULL  | NULL   | NULL   | NULL  | 
NULL | 101_SP6633.wav | NULL|0 | 0 | 0 
|  0 |0 |0 
|   0 |1 |NULL |   NULL 
|2 | 2014-06-01 00:00:00 | 2075-06-01 00:00:00 | N  
| N  | N   | NULL  | NULL   | NULL| NULL  | 
2014-05-18 12:27:26 | N| NULL|NULL | 
NULL |

++--++---+-+---+--+--+---+---+++---+--++-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--+-+-+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)


And Changing the Entry:



mysql> UPDATE CART SET FORCED_LENGTH = '219834', AVERAGE_LENGTH = 
'219834' WHERE NUMBER = '5652' ;

Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec)
Rows matched: 1  Changed: 1  Warnings: 0

mysql>


And then go to Airplay, reload the log, and now that cart is white not 
red and has the length listed.


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On 6/23/2014 5:38 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:


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On 6/23/2014 5:29 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
OK, It looks like when I touch the files, the FORCED_LENGTH and 
AVERAGE_LENGTH entries in the CART table go from 0, to whatever is 
appropriate. here is a snippet from my terminal. CART 101101 was one 
that was working properly, it was a new legal ID imported this 
morning. CART 002364 is one that didn't work, and the second instance 
is after I opened the cut in RDLibrary and clicked OK, not actually 
changing any fields. SoHow do I update the Carts entries with the 
correct values without having to open each cut and click OK? and 
better yet, why Did this happen in the first place?


mysql> SELECT * FROM CART  WHERE CART_NUMBER = '101101' ;
ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'CART_NUMBER' in 'where clause'
mysql> SELECT * FROM CART  WHERE NUMBER = '101101' ;
++--++++---++--+---+---+++---+--+--+-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--++--+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+ 

| NUMBER | TYPE | GROUP_NAME | TITLE  | ARTIST | ALBUM | 
YEAR   | ISRC | LABEL | CONDUCTOR | CLIENT | AGENCY | PUBLISHER | 
COMPOSER | USER_DEFINED | SONG_ID | BPM  | USAGE_CODE | FORCED_LENGTH 
| AVERAGE_LENGTH | LENGTH_DEVIATION | AVERAGE_SEGUE_LENGTH | 
AVERAGE_HOOK_LENGTH | CUT_QUANTITY | LAST_CUT_PLAYED | PLAY_ORDER | 
VALIDITY | START_DATETIME | END_DATETIME | ENFORCE_LENGTH | 
PRESERVE_PITCH | ASYNCRONOUS | OWNER | MACROS | SCHED_CODES | NOTES | 
METADATA_DATETIME   | USE_EVENT_LENGTH | PENDING_STATION | 
PENDING_PID | PENDING_DATETIME |
++--++++---++--+---+---+++---+--+--+-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--++--+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+ 

| 101101 |1 | LEGAL  | Network ID ||   | 
-00-00 | NULL |   |   || | | |  
| |0 | 0 |  7900 | 7900 |0 
| 7998 |   0 |1 
|NULL | NULL |2 | NULL   | NULL | 
N  | N  | N

Re: [RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

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On 6/23/2014 5:29 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
OK, It looks like when I touch the files, the FORCED_LENGTH and 
AVERAGE_LENGTH entries in the CART table go from 0, to whatever is 
appropriate. here is a snippet from my terminal. CART 101101 was one 
that was working properly, it was a new legal ID imported this 
morning. CART 002364 is one that didn't work, and the second instance 
is after I opened the cut in RDLibrary and clicked OK, not actually 
changing any fields. SoHow do I update the Carts entries with the 
correct values without having to open each cut and click OK? and 
better yet, why Did this happen in the first place?


mysql> SELECT * FROM CART  WHERE CART_NUMBER = '101101' ;
ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'CART_NUMBER' in 'where clause'
mysql> SELECT * FROM CART  WHERE NUMBER = '101101' ;
++--++++---++--+---+---+++---+--+--+-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--++--+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+ 

| NUMBER | TYPE | GROUP_NAME | TITLE  | ARTIST | ALBUM | 
YEAR   | ISRC | LABEL | CONDUCTOR | CLIENT | AGENCY | PUBLISHER | 
COMPOSER | USER_DEFINED | SONG_ID | BPM  | USAGE_CODE | FORCED_LENGTH 
| AVERAGE_LENGTH | LENGTH_DEVIATION | AVERAGE_SEGUE_LENGTH | 
AVERAGE_HOOK_LENGTH | CUT_QUANTITY | LAST_CUT_PLAYED | PLAY_ORDER | 
VALIDITY | START_DATETIME | END_DATETIME | ENFORCE_LENGTH | 
PRESERVE_PITCH | ASYNCRONOUS | OWNER | MACROS | SCHED_CODES | NOTES | 
METADATA_DATETIME   | USE_EVENT_LENGTH | PENDING_STATION | PENDING_PID 
| PENDING_DATETIME |
++--++++---++--+---+---+++---+--+--+-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--++--+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+ 

| 101101 |1 | LEGAL  | Network ID ||   | 
-00-00 | NULL |   |   || | |  
|  | |0 | 0 |  7900 |   7900 
|0 | 7998 |   0 
|1 |NULL | NULL |2 | NULL   | 
NULL | N  | N  | N   | NULL  | 
NULL   | | NULL  | 2014-06-23 09:19:15 | N
| NULL |NULL | NULL |
++--++++---++--+---+---+++---+--+--+-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--++--+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+ 


1 row in set (0.00 sec)

mysql> SELECT * FROM CART  WHERE NUMBER = '002364' ;
++--++--+-+---+--+--+---+---+++---+--++-+--++---++--+--+-+--+-++--+-+-+++-+---++-+---+-+--+-+-+--+ 

| NUMBER | TYPE | GROUP_NAME | TITLE| ARTIST  | ALBUM 
| YEAR | ISRC | LABEL | CONDUCTOR | CLIENT | AGENCY | PUBLISHER | 
COMPOSER | USER_DEFINED   | SONG_ID | BPM  | USAGE_CODE | 
FORCED_LENGTH | AVERAGE_LENGTH | LENGTH_DEVIATION | 
AVERAGE_SEGUE_LENGTH | AVERAGE_HOOK_LENGTH | CUT_QUANTITY | 
LAST_CUT_PLAYED | PLAY_ORDER | VALIDITY | START_DATETIME  | 
END_DATETIME| ENFORCE_LENGTH | PRESERVE_PITCH | ASYNCRONOUS | 
OWNER | MACROS | SCHED_CODES | NOTES | METADATA_DATETIME   | 
USE

Re: [RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

By the way the dates are all set valid now but I still have to touch the 
cuts in RDLibrary before RDAirplay recognizes the changes..


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On 6/23/2014 1:20 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
It did blank the record, unfortunately the cut was still showing 00:00 
in length until I went into the cut and saved it again, which put in 
the default dates for today...


Perhaps setting the enforce date time to disabled would be better than 
nulling the field...


but, no matter what, RDAirplay still reports no audio data and length 
00:00 until i go into RDlibrary and the cut and save it. I don't 
actually have to change anything just go into the cart, open the cut, 
and hit ok.


I really don't want to have to do that for all 20,000 
cutsanythoughts?


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On 6/23/2014 12:09 PM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

Hi,

NULL should have blanked the record, its a special case.  If you want 
to try a date the format is a bit weird as its a DATETIME field:


'-MM-DD HH:MM:SS'

e.g.

'2014-06-23 17:07:30'

So I guess:

UPDATE CUTS SET START_DATETIME = '2014-06-22 00:00:00', END_DATETIME 
= '2050-12-31 23:59:59';


That would set the start to yesterday at midnight and the end to the 
end of 2050.



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On 23/06/14 16:49, Nathan Steele wrote:
OK, Maybe I need to put a date in because I get the same problem 
until I go into library and select a cart and edit the cut it adds a 
start and end date of today then it shows like it should


What is the correct syntax for the date in mysql. I tried putting 
'06-01-2199' instead of null but that didn't do the trick.


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On 6/23/2014 10:38 AM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

Hi,

The cuts have a start and end date as well as the carts.  If its 
the cuts:


UPDATE CUTS SET START_DATETIME = NULL, END_DATETIME = NULL

and carts:

UPDATE CART SET START_DATETIME = NULL, END_DATETIME = NULL

Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 23/06/14 15:31, Nathan Steele wrote:
OK, sorry, this didn't work as fantastic as I thought. I have 
determined that having the expired dates is causing my problems in 
RDAirplay that cause the carts to show in red and say no audio 
available and length 00:00, even though they will actually 
playI think this could be interfering with my music merge with 
MusicMaster as well, since the system seems to think there is no 
audio data..


Can you maybe give me MYsql commands to set the end date in all 
the cuts? or maybe better, remove the start and end dates, as they 
aren't strictly necessary right?


Nathaniel C. Steele
Chief Engineer/Technical Director

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and

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On 5/20/2014 10:18 AM, Nathan Steele wrote:

Worked just fantastic.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Chief Engineer/Technical Director

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and

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On 5/19/2014 11:00 AM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

UPDATE CUTS SET EVERGREEN = 'Y';

This will set every cut to evergreen so make sure this is what 
you want to do.


Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 19/05/14 15:57, Nathan Steele wrote:
I"m going to guess this is a windows date versus linux date 
thing, but almost all of the 20,000 or so carts I imported from 
Wide orbit have expired cuts with dates like 1933..I think 
wide orbit required start and end times, but for RD I"m fine 
without using them. I tried to select all carts and edit in 
rdlibrary, but since this a per cut setting, no dice.


Can someone tell me the SQL command to set all cuts in the 
database to evergreen?


Thanks!



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Re: [RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

It did blank the record, unfortunately the cut was still showing 00:00 
in length until I went into the cut and saved it again, which put in the 
default dates for today...


Perhaps setting the enforce date time to disabled would be better than 
nulling the field...


but, no matter what, RDAirplay still reports no audio data and length 
00:00 until i go into RDlibrary and the cut and save it. I don't 
actually have to change anything just go into the cart, open the cut, 
and hit ok.


I really don't want to have to do that for all 20,000 
cutsanythoughts?


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On 6/23/2014 12:09 PM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

Hi,

NULL should have blanked the record, its a special case.  If you want 
to try a date the format is a bit weird as its a DATETIME field:


'-MM-DD HH:MM:SS'

e.g.

'2014-06-23 17:07:30'

So I guess:

UPDATE CUTS SET START_DATETIME = '2014-06-22 00:00:00', END_DATETIME = 
'2050-12-31 23:59:59';


That would set the start to yesterday at midnight and the end to the 
end of 2050.



Wayne Merricks
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On 23/06/14 16:49, Nathan Steele wrote:
OK, Maybe I need to put a date in because I get the same problem 
until I go into library and select a cart and edit the cut it adds a 
start and end date of today then it shows like it should


What is the correct syntax for the date in mysql. I tried putting 
'06-01-2199' instead of null but that didn't do the trick.


Nathaniel C. Steele
Chief Engineer/Technical Director

WTCF-Southernlight

and

TheCross Online

On 6/23/2014 10:38 AM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

Hi,

The cuts have a start and end date as well as the carts.  If its the 
cuts:


UPDATE CUTS SET START_DATETIME = NULL, END_DATETIME = NULL

and carts:

UPDATE CART SET START_DATETIME = NULL, END_DATETIME = NULL

Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 23/06/14 15:31, Nathan Steele wrote:
OK, sorry, this didn't work as fantastic as I thought. I have 
determined that having the expired dates is causing my problems in 
RDAirplay that cause the carts to show in red and say no audio 
available and length 00:00, even though they will actually 
playI think this could be interfering with my music merge with 
MusicMaster as well, since the system seems to think there is no 
audio data..


Can you maybe give me MYsql commands to set the end date in all the 
cuts? or maybe better, remove the start and end dates, as they 
aren't strictly necessary right?


Nathaniel C. Steele
Chief Engineer/Technical Director

WTCF-Southernlight

and

TheCross Online

On 5/20/2014 10:18 AM, Nathan Steele wrote:

Worked just fantastic.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Chief Engineer/Technical Director

WTCF-Southernlight

and

TheCross Online

On 5/19/2014 11:00 AM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

UPDATE CUTS SET EVERGREEN = 'Y';

This will set every cut to evergreen so make sure this is what 
you want to do.


Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 19/05/14 15:57, Nathan Steele wrote:
I"m going to guess this is a windows date versus linux date 
thing, but almost all of the 20,000 or so carts I imported from 
Wide orbit have expired cuts with dates like 1933..I think 
wide orbit required start and end times, but for RD I"m fine 
without using them. I tried to select all carts and edit in 
rdlibrary, but since this a per cut setting, no dice.


Can someone tell me the SQL command to set all cuts in the 
database to evergreen?


Thanks!



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Re: [RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

OK, sorry, this didn't work as fantastic as I thought. I have determined 
that having the expired dates is causing my problems in RDAirplay that 
cause the carts to show in red and say no audio available and length 
00:00, even though they will actually playI think this could be 
interfering with my music merge with MusicMaster as well, since the 
system seems to think there is no audio data..


Can you maybe give me MYsql commands to set the end date in all the 
cuts? or maybe better, remove the start and end dates, as they aren't 
strictly necessary right?


Nathaniel C. Steele
Chief Engineer/Technical Director

WTCF-Southernlight

and

TheCross Online

On 5/20/2014 10:18 AM, Nathan Steele wrote:

Worked just fantastic.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Chief Engineer/Technical Director

WTCF-Southernlight

and

TheCross Online

On 5/19/2014 11:00 AM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

UPDATE CUTS SET EVERGREEN = 'Y';

This will set every cut to evergreen so make sure this is what you 
want to do.


Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 19/05/14 15:57, Nathan Steele wrote:
I"m going to guess this is a windows date versus linux date thing, 
but almost all of the 20,000 or so carts I imported from Wide orbit 
have expired cuts with dates like 1933..I think  wide orbit 
required start and end times, but for RD I"m fine without using 
them. I tried to select all carts and edit in rdlibrary, but since 
this a per cut setting, no dice.


Can someone tell me the SQL command to set all cuts in the database 
to evergreen?


Thanks!



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Re: [RDD] Big problem....

[Nathan Steele]

OK so I setup a new machine, restored the DB backup I made from before I 
changed the hostname, and I still have the same problem on both machines 
now.


The music was all imported from WideOrbit and came in with the wrong 
start and end times, so I set them all to evergreen by editing the 
mysql. /var/snd ownership and permisions look right for the directory 
and the wav files.


RD Airplay shows them RED and say no audioavailible and has the length 
showing as oo:oo. however they do play just fine out of rdairplay, but 
this is wrong behaviour.


I also was unable to create a log by merging from music master, it 
appeared to work but was empty. I have another system working using 
music master and it's all setup the same way and everything looks the 
same. I get no errors. Scheduling with RD's scheduler is working. 
merging music from MM looks like it works but I get a log with only a 
chain to in it.not sure if this is the same problem which I am not 
sure what the problem is.


Thanks.

I'm also on IRC now.and will be as long as I am in the office 
working on this.


Trying to have the system on air by monday..

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On 6/20/2014 1:14 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
OK, I think I really messed something up when changing the hostname on 
my new rivendell setup. Now I get all carts in airplay showing 00:00 
and red. They do actually play though. I am, or was, getting the 
unable to draw waveform error in the marker screen also.


I am close to just starting over, but it would take a while to copy 
the /var/sndanyone know a quick fix?


Also, it would be really great if the hostname could be set at install 
or the first run.I mean, unless you only have one machine, yu have 
to change the hostname at some point. I just forgot to do it first.




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Re: [RDD] RD, ALSA, JACK/JACKCTRL

[Nathan Steele]

What's the irc chanel? I know what irc is, just the name of the channel.


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On June 21, 2014 7:14:32 AM drew Roberts  wrote:


Thomas,

go simple first.

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Thomas Churchill  wrote:

> OK I lied, it's not THAT simple. Miscommunication here. Using ALSA was the
> only way I have been able to have Rivendell play audio. Direct through ALSA
> and without JACK. OF COURSE I have removed ALSA, with the menu, and checked
> again in the configuration files directly. I said so. Everything is set
> with
> the JACK server running, the audio hardware is no longer tied to RD
> directly, but it can't find any audio from RD. I have had to fiddle with
> permissions/ownership because for some reason out of the box jack, jack
> daemons, and RD do not start as the same user and so can't see each other.
> That's all fixed. No errors anywhere. Stop RD Daemons, start jack, start
> RD,
> start stream, everything appears in the JACKCTRL panel connection menu.
> Admin says it's using JACK. CAED shows no errors, Jack server running,
> stream connects, but the best I can get is 128K static, nothing from the
> speakers, and RDAirplay shows no meters, and won't load carts no matter how
> I connect the virtual cables so far, and I've spent literally 30+ hours at
> it in two days. Its either still a owner issue or the virtual cables not
> connected properly. There are serious version, ownership, permissions
> issues
> here. I set up an icecast, and shoutcast server on my linux box in Chicago
> remotely, booted over to Windows, had a stream connecting and playing music
> from a Windows setup in 20 minutes just to eliminate any possible issues in
> the stream encoder I wrote with third party hosts. Yet, I've spent three
> days trying to get a test tone because JACK and RD won't talk to each
> other.
>

Test jack without Rivendell.

Try something like VLC as a jack player. (Not great but have a go.) Do
everything you are doing now to get Riv and Jack to play together. Then
shut down the Riv side only. Fire up VLC, set it to jack audio output and
possibly shut it down and start it up again. Play a simple wav, ogg, or mp3
file. Can you get any sound out via jack now?

Another thing I do is to use a jack audio meter and hook that to my sound
out instead of my "speakers" and see if the meter is seeing any audio
passing.


> It can't be this complicated can it?
>
> It is likely something simple. But sometimes, the simple things can bite
> us the worst.
>

Plus, are you in the IRC channel? Have you asked for help there?

all the best,

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[RDD] Big problem....

[Nathan Steele]

OK, I think I really messed something up when changing the hostname on 
my new rivendell setup. Now I get all carts in airplay showing 00:00 and 
red. They do actually play though. I am, or was, getting the unable to 
draw waveform error in the marker screen also.


I am close to just starting over, but it would take a while to copy the 
/var/sndanyone know a quick fix?


Also, it would be really great if the hostname could be set at install 
or the first run.I mean, unless you only have one machine, yu have 
to change the hostname at some point. I just forgot to do it first.


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Re: [RDD] Upgrading To V2

[Nathan Steele]

1. Id use rsync. Run as root.

2. I always type setup in the terminal and you get a number of setribgs you 
can adjust in a keyboard only menu.



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On June 19, 2014 8:56:36 PM Steve Atkins  wrote:

After backing up db and /var/snd files, I've installed Broadcast Appliance 
2.5.5 on a fresh drive (stand alone desktop config).


1.  What's the safest way to copy existing .wav files to the new /var/snd?  
Using the gui, I've been able to drag and drop anything (via samba from 
other machine), anywhere except /var/snd, where permission is not granted.  
The snd files are backed up on a usb ntfs drive.


2.  While attempting to set the static ip address, on this version of 
CentOS, I can't seem to find the network config window as illustrated in 
the tutorial (I find no administration>network that has the same options.)


Thanks for any thoughts.

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[RDD] RD Select, Can it do what I want?

[Nathan Steele]

OK, In the next week sometime I will have two stations running RD, 
completely independant of each other, that is, separate /var/snd and 
database on separate machines. This was neccesary for a variety of 
reasons, and doesn't matter anyway as they have zero shared content.


However in the studio and production room, I would like to connect to 
either station at will, and I think RD Select is the way to do so.


Here is what I am envisioning:

Each stations server handles playout to air (other workstations use it's 
CAE), as well as hosting /var/snd and mysql database. when the studio is 
not in use, RDAirplay will run on the server as well.this is similar to 
what I have been doing except airplay always ran from the studio 
machine. however I have been forced to downsize and stations must share 
1 studio and 1production room for now. The production machine uses it's 
own audio hardware and CAE. I realize I could use a KVM switch but 
again, I have had to downsize and running two less machines would be 
great for a number of reasons.


So, I need RD Select to work, and I also need a way to smoothly 
transition playout  to and from the studio machine and server. I can 
handle the audio routing, of which I am well aware of the implications 
of what I need to do here...but the software I am unsure of.


I think this all eventually gets controlled by a macro cart?

Anyone doing something like this want to give suggestions?

Thanks,
Nathan

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[RDD] Sage Digital Endec and Rivendell.

[Nathan Steele]

Is anybody scheduling their EAS test's with Rivendell or otherwise 
interfacing to the Sage Digital Endec so that EAS activations don't 
interrupt program material?


How does one go about accomplishing this?

Thanks,
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Re: [RDD] Btools ACS 8.2 Plus with RD

[Nathan Steele]

Under "Edit TTY's", for entry "Serial0", I have "/dev/ttyS0" in the 
TTY Device field


That may be the problem then, like I said I wasn't sure what to put 
there(is that documented anywhere?)


Also you will find you need to put the switcher into the 
non-factory-default of "Mix Mode" for it to switch correctly.

I did find that nugget in switchers.txt.

Thanks, I'll let you know if that does the trick.


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On 5/20/2014 4:03 PM, Jim Stewart wrote:


My Rivendell works perfectly with a BT ACS 8.2 Plus, including all the 
GPIO and silence sense capabilities.



Under "Edit TTY's", for entry "Serial0", I have "/dev/ttyS0" in the 
TTY Device field with 9600, None, 8, 1, and "None" in the rest of the 
fields
Than just selected "Serial0" under the Edit Switcher section for the 
BT ACS 8.2.


Assuming you are actually sending strings out of your serial port 
(perhaps need to test with a PC on the other end):



Note that there are some different modes the BT switcher can be in. 
Perhaps is this NOT a factory new device? if so note that you can 
optionally hang several of these things on a single serial line if you 
enable a special addressing mode. When enabled you then have to 
specify the address of the unit you want to talk to on the front of 
each command. You may need to make sure your switcher is NOT in this 
mode as I'm thinking Rivendell doesn't support this.



Also you will find you need to put the switcher into the 
non-factory-default of "Mix Mode" for it to switch correctly.



If in doubt plug the BT switcher into a PC running a serial terminal 
program you are familiar with and send some raw commands yourself and 
see what happens. There is a little program called "minicom" available 
on Linux, but unsure if it is included with the Appliance, if not 
maybe you can install it with "yum".




On Tuesday 20 May 2014 10:37:36 am Nathan Steele wrote:

Is there a difference with the PLUS version? I tried controlling it last
night with the setting for the ACS 8.2, no dice

Not sure anything is actually going out the seriel port. the SER light
on the switcher flashes at bootup, but then nothing when trying to test
my macro cart.

I tried playing with the seriel port settings in rdadmin also? not real
clear on whether i need to enable the seriel port there to work with the
switcher or not. tried both ways. still no dice. not sure what I"m
supposed to put in the ttydevice field.

The seriel port is shown by dmesg | grep tty



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[RDD] Btools ACS 8.2 Plus with RD

[Nathan Steele]

Is there a difference with the PLUS version? I tried controlling it last 
night with the setting for the ACS 8.2, no dice


Not sure anything is actually going out the seriel port. the SER light 
on the switcher flashes at bootup, but then nothing when trying to test 
my macro cart.


I tried playing with the seriel port settings in rdadmin also? not real 
clear on whether i need to enable the seriel port there to work with the 
switcher or not. tried both ways. still no dice. not sure what I"m 
supposed to put in the ttydevice field.


The seriel port is shown by dmesg | grep tty

Any advice?

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Re: [RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

Worked just fantastic.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Chief Engineer/Technical Director

WTCF-Southernlight

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On 5/19/2014 11:00 AM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

UPDATE CUTS SET EVERGREEN = 'Y';

This will set every cut to evergreen so make sure this is what you 
want to do.


Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 19/05/14 15:57, Nathan Steele wrote:
I"m going to guess this is a windows date versus linux date thing, 
but almost all of the 20,000 or so carts I imported from Wide orbit 
have expired cuts with dates like 1933..I think  wide orbit 
required start and end times, but for RD I"m fine without using them. 
I tried to select all carts and edit in rdlibrary, but since this a 
per cut setting, no dice.


Can someone tell me the SQL command to set all cuts in the database 
to evergreen?


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[RDD] Expired cuts help, imported from wide orbit.

[Nathan Steele]

I"m going to guess this is a windows date versus linux date thing, but 
almost all of the 20,000 or so carts I imported from Wide orbit have 
expired cuts with dates like 1933..I think  wide orbit required 
start and end times, but for RD I"m fine without using them. I tried to 
select all carts and edit in rdlibrary, but since this a per cut 
setting, no dice.


Can someone tell me the SQL command to set all cuts in the database to 
evergreen?


Thanks!

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[RDD] best way to delete all carts from database.

[Nathan Steele]

HI, I have an old system that I want to wipe out all the carts from so I 
can start a new station importing music, and when I get a new system 
setup for them I will Copy the database and /var/snd to the new system.


so, what is the besta way to delete all carts? I need the drive space 
more than anything, but it makes sense to start with a clean slate. I'd 
rather not just reinstall everything as that would take way longer to 
setup, and the whole reason I want to do this is to get them started 
importing music while I setup the new system.


Also this is BA1, and the new system will hopefully be BA2, any 
potential problems there? I've had problems getting things running with 
BA2 but would like to move to it, I'm sure I can get it going. The 
actual rivendell database versions should be the same as long as both 
systems are updated to the same version number, right?


Also, how does one invoke the importers for wide orbit (Scott)? just use 
RDIMPORT as normal? how do I check that I installed them, they are 
optional IIRC.


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[RDD] Scheduler codes from dropbox?

[Nathan Steele]

Anyway to add scheduler codes when using dropbox? RDimport doesn't seem 
to indicate this is possible.


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Re: [RDD] Now & Next Parameters

[Nathan Steele]

as suggested, use locate to find the files in question

locate shoutcast
worked for me and showed the RLM in

/usr/lib64/rivendell-2.4.0/rlm_shoutcast1.rlm

and the conf file in

/usr/share/doc/rivendell-2.4.0/rlm_shoutcast1.conf

This may vary depending on 32 or 64 bit and your distro, I am using the 
CEntOS based Appliance.


also you should probably save the conf file somewhere else as it will be 
overwritten by updates if you leave it in the stock location.


the file is pretty self explanatory, fill out the info needed to connect 
to you SC server, same as in your streaming program and then in rdadmin, 
for your host and under rdairplay, go to configure now and next. at the 
bottom add a loadable module. Plugin path is the location of the rlm, 
and argument is the location of the conf file.


I think it's that easy, but it's been a while since I set it up so if it 
doesnt work let me know I can help you again tomorrow.


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Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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On 3/17/2014 1:52 PM, Brandon Sossamon wrote:

Awesome.  I won't be back in front of the box until this evening but
I'll take all the notes and see what I can come up with.  thanks!

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Nathan Steele
 wrote:

I can tell you how to set it up when I get back to th he office.


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On March 17, 2014 1:41:12 PM Brandon Sossamon 
wrote:


I'm not using any RLM.  Just learning this so any tips you can offer
help!  Thanks for the response!

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Nathan Steele
 wrote:

Are you using the shoutcast RLM?

Mine works fine with no 3rd party involved.


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wrote:


Question:
Theoretically, are you supposed to be able to use the Now & Next
feature in RD without a 3rd Party?  In other words, enter the IP, Port
and string and it will then transmit the metadata to the stream?  Or
do you have to have a 3rd party such as Emitworks or the like?
I have a Windows based program that will transmit to the IP after
pulling the metadata from a txt file.  I assumed it was the same for
Now & Next in RD but I don't get any title updates on the stream end.

I'm streaming via ShoutCast.  If 3rd party is required, who is
everyone using these days?  After looking at the wiki, it seems
Emitworks and RD Streamdata are no longer around by the links posted
in the article.

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Re: [RDD] Redundant Hard Drive/Backup

[Nathan Steele]

Rsync

I do the same thing on a samba server.

Google it for the options you want to use.


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It may be a tad early yet, but I am about to the point in my comfort with 
Rivendell to start thinking about backups.


I know this may not be the most common way, but we have our reasons, and 
I'd like to duplicate this behavior if I can:


Our current automation system [MS-DOS based] contains two non-raid, but 
mirrored hard drives.  On a schedule that we specify, it copies the new 
files, deletes the obsolete ones, etc.


Is there a way I can do this with Rivendell?  Again, I realize most people 
are probably using a central server with a redundant server to house all 
station audio, clocks, etc, but I am comfortable with the way we are set up 
now.  Besides we have quite a few stations spread out, so a central file 
store wouldn't work anyway in most of our cases.


With my very limited knowledge of linux, I thought perhaps running dd with 
chron might be the ticket, but coming from a Windows guy, I don't know how 
linux behaves when attempting to copy files in use.


Thanks for any suggestions.

Oh, and all my Rivendell installs are/will be based on the Paravel 
Appliances.  I have one V1 appliance in the field now, and currently 
working on my first V2.


-Alan

PS  We actually had a hard drive die this past Saturday on one of our DOS 
stations.  I just simply powered down, unlocked the bad drive from its 
removable cage, powered back up, and we were back in business.

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Re: [RDD] DB merge question.

[Nathan Steele]

Well, looks like it went through. First one in months

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On 11/20/2013 3:32 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
I want to experiment with moving our wideorbit based station to 
Rivendell. If I setup a new RD system with our current stations DB, 
and add a new station and import it's music, how can I later merge the 
current stations DB (which will have been running LIVE during this 
test, having new songs and spots and whatnot added), to the new 
combined setup?


What else do I need to lookout for trying to run two stations on a 
shared server/DB? I know how to setup the services and user access and 
all that.


The ultimate goal being:

1) saving my sanity not trying to maintain two disparate automation 
systems, and we had to let our costly wide orbit support contract expire.


2) being able to use either studio for either station, would be great 
for maintenance or emergency situations.


Fred I copied you on this as I don't think I've resolved my issue of 
emails not going to the list from my work computer, I hope you don't 
mind. I'd like to get that resolved but I'm lost on it at the moment.




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[RDD] DB merge question.

[Nathan Steele]

I want to experiment with moving our wideorbit based station to 
Rivendell. If I setup a new RD system with our current stations DB, and 
add a new station and import it's music, how can I later merge the 
current stations DB (which will have been running LIVE during this test, 
having new songs and spots and whatnot added), to the new combined setup?


What else do I need to lookout for trying to run two stations on a 
shared server/DB? I know how to setup the services and user access and 
all that.


The ultimate goal being:

1) saving my sanity not trying to maintain two disparate automation 
systems, and we had to let our costly wide orbit support contract expire.


2) being able to use either studio for either station, would be great 
for maintenance or emergency situations.


Fred I copied you on this as I don't think I've resolved my issue of 
emails not going to the list from my work computer, I hope you don't 
mind. I'd like to get that resolved but I'm lost on it at the moment.


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[RDD] Overscheduling with an external scheduler

[Nathan Steele]

Finally got Music Master working with Rivendell, but when merging to 
rivendells log (which is a grid full of a single clock which has a music 
import event for the entire hour,00:00.0-59:59.9), it dumps all of the 
overscheduled music, and it seems we will still need to manually 
overschedule at least the last hour to avoid the problems we have if we 
don't overschedule

Any suggestions?
Thanks.

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[RDD] Musicmaster Merge with rivendell

[Nathan Steele]

Hi, we have been working with music master to get setup with rivendell. 
The PD has worked with our MM consultant, and got MM setup.


This is what the file it generates looks like:

00:00:00 60001 LEGAL 
IDS00:12
00:00:12 102719Family Force 5 
Superhero03:14
00:03:26 103295Project 86  Off The 
Grid 02:58
00:06:24 102556The Cross FMthe cross 5 voices 
effect00:01
00:06:25 103436The Digital Age 
Captured 03:17
00:09:42 101730Britt NicoleReady or Not f/ 
Lecrae   02:58
00:12:40 61021 The Cross FMShare The 
Hope-NL00:15
00:12:55 102286Abandon New Year's 
Day   04:09
00:17:04 103422Whosoever South All The 
Time 03:19
00:20:23 103423Simple Female Cross 
FM   00:01
00:20:24 103645Submission Red  Fight For 
Me 03:06
00:23:30 102866DiscipleDraw The 
Line03:22
00:26:52 103456Press Play 
#LITO03:19
00:30:11 61024 The Cross FMQuick Cross 
FM-NL00:05


However, it doesn't jive when trying to merge. It does not appear to 
match the rivendell standard import format described here:



http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/Rivendell_Standard_-_Alternative_Names:PowerGold,_RadioTraffic.com,_Music_1

I have setup a test service, with a single clock containing and import 
from music event, set to every spot in the grid. the green light shows 
up on the create log screen, so it see's the merge file, and does merge 
with no errors, I just get an empty log.


My analysis of the above is that the column starts are in the wrong 
place from cart name on out. I just want to know if the info on the wiki 
is current and if my assessment seems correct.


Thank you.

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[RDD] dropbox problem.

[Nathan Steele]

on a clients system I set up a dropbox to import music (they had a ton 
of new stuff and didn't want to do them manually like they had been). it 
worked great for a couple months but yesterday stopped working, it 
imported a bunch of files but left 33 in there and won't take them, even 
after rebooting. log file for the dropbox says nothing, it acts like the 
files aren't there.


Made a new dropbox, same settings. it doesn't work but in it's log file 
i get an error for each file:


10-01-2013 - 13:25:36 : Importing file "Cher-Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves"
skipping...


500Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or
misconfiguration and was unable to complete
your request.
Please contact the server administrator ,
root@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred,
and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.
 more information about this error may be available
in the server log.

Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server @ localhost port 80

OK

Any thoughts? obviously something apache related?
Where is the server log refered to above?

This also did not happen to the original dropbox, just  the test 
dropbox. the original just acts like the files aren't there.


Thanks.

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[RDD] Broadcast appliance on desktop machine thinks it's a laptop, with a dead battery, and shuts down immediately.

[Nathan Steele]

Installed a fresh broadcast appliance on an intel DG965WH motherboard, 
and when it boots up it says your battery is running low and shuts down 
immediatly. I recall hearing of this issue but don't recall how to fix it.


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Re: [RDD] Using Pira.cz Pira32 RDS encoder with Rivendell.

[Nathan Steele]

and of course adding the RLM to airplay in rdadmin...

Nathaniel C. Steele
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Southernlight.us

On 6/27/2013 6:58 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
So I've inherited this RDS Encoder. I used theier app to setup PS,PI, 
ETC


IS getting now playing info to it as simple as putting this line in 
the rlm_seriel.conf file?


FormatString=RT1=%t - %a

And matching the data rate parity, etc.

Do I want to use radiotext, or dynamic PS1 or PS2?

I've never setup an RDS before, but it seems simple enough.



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[RDD] Using Pira.cz Pira32 RDS encoder with Rivendell.

[Nathan Steele]

So I've inherited this RDS Encoder. I used theier app to setup PS,PI, 
ETC


IS getting now playing info to it as simple as putting this line in the 
rlm_seriel.conf file?


FormatString=RT1=%t - %a

And matching the data rate parity, etc.

Do I want to use radiotext, or dynamic PS1 or PS2?

I've never setup an RDS before, but it seems simple enough.

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Re: [RDD] Touch Laptop

[Nathan Steele]

Getting the touchscreen to work could be tricky, did some work at a 
station that thought they were going to use nice new HP 21" multitouch 
monitors with RD, never got the touch to work. Might be possible if your 
better with compiling from source and what not, but anyway, hardware 
compatibility would be my biggest concern.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTCF-TheCrossFM
Southernlight.us

On 5/15/2013 8:43 AM, Alan Peterson wrote:
> Seeing on the Tiger Direct website that they have an ASUS "Vivobook" laptop 
> (item A50-116407) for $399, tricked out pretty well: touchscreen, 500GB 
> drive, i3 proc, 4GB RAM and a few other shiny sparkly things.
>
> On the downside, it clocks at an unimpressive 1.8 GHz and comes with (ew...) 
> Win8.
>
> How viable would this sound as a portable touchscreen RD box, for use at 
> remotes et al?
>
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Re: [RDD] Migrating Wide Orbit to Rivendell.

[Nathan Steele]

oh no, that's not what I meant. There are supposed to be special 
importers you can install to import from other automation systems. I 
know I would still need to import to Rivendell like any other file.

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On 5/10/2013 5:28 PM, Marcin Marzec wrote:
> W dniu 10.05.2013 23:17, Nathan Steele pisze:
>> thanks! musicmaster is good to go already, we use it on both systems.
>> I'll try an import next week. So I should not need to use any of the
>> rivendell importers, which I don't think I installed initially?
>>
>>
> That's not like that - remember that Rivendell has combined way of storage.
> Audio is placed on the HDD and the meta are stored in MySQL database.
> Therefore you need to import files using Rivendell mechanisms.
> In my case I used rdimport in commandline mode, so Rivendell could
> rename files and use the metadata.
>
> Good luck!
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Re: [RDD] Create a report of what actually played in rdairplay

[Nathan Steele]

short answer, yes it can do it. It took me a while to figure out how, 
and I will have to remember what it is and post back.


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On 5/10/2013 4:24 PM, Guy Curtis wrote:
I think the subject pretty much got this one, is there a way to create 
a report of what actually played in rdairplay, If I have to script it 
I can just have it attached to the end of the log before the chain to. 
I feel like while poking around I saw something like this or atleast 
the setup in preparation for it but now cannot for the life of me find 
what I remember so I am starting to think I dreamed it.


Maybe the report could have the name of the cart played, maybe even 
the name of the cut.


I realise I rambled a bit I apologize
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Re: [RDD] Migrating Wide Orbit to Rivendell.

[Nathan Steele]

thanks! musicmaster is good to go already, we use it on both systems. 
I'll try an import next week. So I should not need to use any of the 
rivendell importers, which I don't think I installed initially?

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On 5/10/2013 3:45 PM, Marcin Marzec wrote:
>
> W dniu 10.05.2013 19:50, Nathan Steele pisze:
>> What kind of nightmare am I in for in trying to migrate the music
>> library? please tell me I can import the songs and it will take the
>> markers from W/O. Scheduling is done from music master so there should
>> be no problem there. Biggest problem will be the one remaining user, who
>> is technically...err... not so computer literate and totally stuck to
>> the WideOrbit way. he has looked at the other stations Rivendell system
>> and thinks wide orbit is better because it has a prettier
>> interfacebut he also thinks that music master and wide orbit are the
>> same thing, telling me "music master isn't working", so I head off to
>> his office and he says "no, in the studio", or "Wide Orbit's not
>> working", so I head to the studio, and he says "no, in my office". there
>> is nothing wide orbit in his office, and nothing music master in the
>> studio..
>>
> AFAIR Wide Orbit / Google is nothing but revamped Scott Studios SS32.
> SS32 was using standard Broadcast Wave Files, I was able to import its
> files into AudioVault.
> Since Rivendell imports BWF, all metadata you need for operation will be
> imported as well.
> Just try to import one of these files into Rivendell and you will see.
>
> As for Music Master - basic setup for Rivendell takes less than 15
> minutes with Music Master Export Designer.
>
> Greets,
> djc
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[RDD] Migrating Wide Orbit to Rivendell.

[Nathan Steele]

Heres the situation. I have two stations in the same building on 
separate automation systems. The newer station is on Rivendell, It 
started out streaming only and is now on-air. The older station is on 
Wide Orbit, but alas due to finacial difficulties, its frequency was 
sold and is now streaming only. I do not want to maintain two separate 
automation systems, and we let our Wide Orbit support contract expire, 
for many reasons which I wont go into detail but the cost was certainly 
one of the reasons.

Rivendell has been mostly rock solid, and though I have had hiccups and 
headaches with it at times, I mostly love it, and understand it in great 
detail, since I was responsible for setting up every aspect of it.

Wide Orbit is buugy and crash prone, gives me constant headaches, and I 
don't understand most of it. I installed the hardware but was merely a 
contract engineer at that time and was not around for the software setup 
or training (i was also working a full time job and couldn't be there). 
It locks up all the time, needs constant reboots, and yesterday the 
server just decided to reboot and fail to boot for no apparent reason. 
after trying 5 times to boot it, I coned the HD and for giggles put the 
original HD back in, it booted, and is still running, but I don't know 
why, there was nothing useful in the system log.

I want to maintain only one system, and you should know which that is by 
now ;)

What kind of nightmare am I in for in trying to migrate the music 
library? please tell me I can import the songs and it will take the 
markers from W/O. Scheduling is done from music master so there should 
be no problem there. Biggest problem will be the one remaining user, who 
is technically...err... not so computer literate and totally stuck to 
the WideOrbit way. he has looked at the other stations Rivendell system 
and thinks wide orbit is better because it has a prettier 
interfacebut he also thinks that music master and wide orbit are the 
same thing, telling me "music master isn't working", so I head off to 
his office and he says "no, in the studio", or "Wide Orbit's not 
working", so I head to the studio, and he says "no, in my office". there 
is nothing wide orbit in his office, and nothing music master in the 
studio..

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Re: [RDD] Best distro for Rivendell

[Nathan Steele]

Well the official Broadcast Appliance offered by Paravel Systems is 
CentOS 5. Many people are using Ubuntu as well, but I"m not sure that 
there is a "best" Distro. Broadcast appliance is the easiest to get 
going IMO.


Get it here: http://www.paravelsystems.com/appliance.html

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On 4/8/2013 2:25 PM, Guy Curtis wrote:

What is the best Linux distro for Rivendell to run on?
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Re: [RDD] Qt toolkit

[Nathan Steele]

I'd be happy with an RPM that was available somewhere for broadcast 
appliance. I never have successfully installed anything from source

I know, I'm a loser and I should learn how to do it, but believe me I 
have tried..

anyway, the time for  system update, is not when You are trying to 
replace a broken machine in an otherwise working system

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Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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On 3/26/2013 10:47 PM, drew Roberts wrote:
> On Tuesday 26 March 2013 19:54:42 Fred Gleason wrote:
>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 11:27 07, Nathan Steele wrote:
>>> Sure would be nice to be able to install an old version from the repo's,
>>> though I can possibly understand why Fred wouldn't want that.
>> Been there, tried that...
>>
>> The difficulty with multiple versions in the same repository is that
>> (naive) users will then try mixing different versions together at the same
>> site.  In the past, that was a receipe for a corrupted database.  While
>> recent RD versions do sanity checking to prevent the system from working
>> with a skewed DB version (and hence avoid that outcome), the result is
>> still a site with one or more workstations that "just don't work" with no
>> (obvious to them) reason.
>>
>> While I grant that there are occasionally situations where installing past
>> versions is useful, it's something that requires careful management by an
>> administrator who understands the dangers and implications --i.e. not
>> something that you really want in a repository that can be easily accessed
>> in a point and click fashion.
> Hmm,
>
> could the old versions be kept on an ftp server so that they are not a simple
> apt or rpm command away but are still there for the digger? How hard would it
> be to create a little script that would examine the current rivendell setup
> and tell us if our proposed additional machine is safe?
>> Cheers!
>>
>> |-|
>> | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. |   Chief Developer   |
> all the best,
>
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Re: [RDD] Qt toolkit

[Nathan Steele]

> Few things annoy me as much as an error message that says "file not found"
> when it could just as easily say "file not found: /home/wzzz/somefile".
or worse "an error has occurred" not even "an error has occurred while 
trying to whatever", just "an error has occurred"...

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Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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On 3/26/2013 3:56 PM, Rob Landry wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Nathan Steele wrote:
>
>> I'm not going to take any offense to this, but I want to point out that I
>> had the same problem trying to upgrade a broadcast appliance install to a
>> version that was not the current one for a station I do some contract work
>> for. I never solved it.I didn't want to nor did I have the time to upgrade
>> the whole system to the current version, but needed to add a workstation.
>> Ended up giving it back to the owner/engineer, and AFAIK, it's still not
>> been put in service.
> I occasionally have problems where a configure script complains about
> some or another dependency not being satisfied when it is, in fact, there,
> but the script is looking in the wrong place.
>
> For instance, the script may be looking in /usr/lib for a file that is
> actually in /usr/local/lib; or, it may be looking for /usr/lib/whatever.so
> when the file is actually named /usr/lib/whatever.so.0 . A symbolic link
> or two will answer, once the "missing" file has been identified.
>
> Few things annoy me as much as an error message that says "file not found"
> when it could just as easily say "file not found: /home/wzzz/somefile".
>
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Re: [RDD] Qt toolkit

[Nathan Steele]

and don't get me started on Microsoft updates.they have a habit of 
breaking more than they fix.

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On 3/26/2013 2:01 PM, Cowboy wrote:
> On Tuesday 26 March 2013 11:27:07 am Nathan Steele wrote:
>> FWIW here at my station I keep the versions current, though I usually
>> wait a month or two just in case
>   And I very much subscribe to "if it ain't broke, don't fix it !"
>
>   Unless there's a compelling reason to upgrade, don't !
>   I know, I know. Microsoft says the reasons are SO compelling,
>   you should always enable automatic updates, and have your
>   system hacked at the whim and fancy of Microsoft.
>   ( KA-CHING $$ )
>   To me, enriching Microsoft is not a compelling reason for anything.
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Re: [RDD] Qt toolkit

[Nathan Steele]

I was referring strictly to the Rivendell updates in this instance, all 
other repos are disabled on my Riv machines after the initial install. 
so far the Riv updates have included fixes/features I want/need.

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On 3/26/2013 2:01 PM, Cowboy wrote:
> On Tuesday 26 March 2013 11:27:07 am Nathan Steele wrote:
>> FWIW here at my station I keep the versions current, though I usually
>> wait a month or two just in case
>   And I very much subscribe to "if it ain't broke, don't fix it !"
>
>   Unless there's a compelling reason to upgrade, don't !
>   I know, I know. Microsoft says the reasons are SO compelling,
>   you should always enable automatic updates, and have your
>   system hacked at the whim and fancy of Microsoft.
>   ( KA-CHING $$ )
>   To me, enriching Microsoft is not a compelling reason for anything.
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Re: [RDD] Qt toolkit

[Nathan Steele]

I'm not going to take any offense to this, but I want to point out that 
I had the same problem trying to upgrade a broadcast appliance install 
to a version that was not the current one for a station I do some 
contract work for. I never solved it.I didn't want to nor did I have the 
time to upgrade the whole system to the current version, but needed to 
add a workstation. Ended up giving it back to the owner/engineer, and 
AFAIK, it's still not been put in service.


I did figure out that it couldn't find QT, but neither could I. I tried 
installing everything QT I could find...


Sure would be nice to be able to install an old version from the repo's, 
though I can possibly understand why Fred wouldn't want that.


FWIW here at my station I keep the versions current, though I usually 
wait a month or two just in case


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On 3/25/2013 7:22 PM, WBHM Web Operations wrote:
No offense, but if you can't fix a library dependency maybe you 
shouldn't be trying to build from source.


I recommend you try the paravel appliance instead 
http://www.paravelsystems.com/


~larry

On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Juan Priario >

 wrote:

Once started the installation process to run./configure --libexecdir 
=/srv /rd-bin I get the error "checking for Qt ... no

configure: error: *** Qt toolkit not found, unable to continue *** "
OpenSUSE 12.3 and my system can not find the library in the repo, 
some help to solve this problem?

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[RDD] OT: Omnia Proccessors

[Nathan Steele]

I apologize for the Off topic here, I asked on another radio list and 
got no responses so I figured maybe someone here has experience with 
Omnia Processors, please feel free to respond off list.

Basically trying to decide between the OMNIA 9 or OMNIA 11 for 
TheCrossFM. our format is contemporary/praise + worship in the morning, 
moving on to Christian pop/rock/hiphop in the evening (and getting 
progressively "harder" later in the day). We would currently be feeding 
an analog FM TX and webstream, but HD could be an option in the future 
and we probably would utilize and HD2/3 if we go that route. studio 
config is all analog though I'd like to go to LIVEWIRE in the next 2 years.

So bearing that in mind, It seems that both units have things that would 
serve me well, and both units are missing something the other has that I 
could use. If I'm reading things correctly, the 9 seems to be what I 
want, It lacks livewire but not a big deal really. The question is which 
has the superior audio quality? would love to hear from anyone who has 
used either, preferably both.

On the 9 speciffically, would I be able to use the HD proccessing to 
treat the Webstream? Not really sure how that goes out of the box...

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Re: [RDD] still suffering random freezes in rdairplay, please help....

[Nathan Steele]

The Client machine sits nicely at 0-1 wa, and I only saw 1 once in the 
10 minutes I watched it. I think we might be able to rule that machine out.

I have looked at the network side of things earlier, but may swap some 
cables out just for the sake of trial and error.
> Those numbers are marginally high.  What kind of filesystem are you using for 
> /var/snd, and when was the last time you did an fsck on it?  I've seen some 
> (particularly ReiserFS) start to generate big latencies after going for 
> awhile without some preening.  An fsck will usually restore things.  Better 
> yet, use ext4.
ext3 Never done fsck, system has been online only 3-4 months though. can 
I fsck without causing disruptions to the system or should I make 
provisions to air backup programming? I can come in in the middle of the 
night and do it when no ones listening anyway.

How would I switch to ext4? that seems like it would be major?

> I've also seen failing hardware (esp. discs and network cards) cause this 
> kind of thing.

I have dual NIC's so I can try the other one. have to do more test's later.

Thanks for the sugestions

Nathaniel C. Steele
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On 3/15/2013 5:17 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
> On Mar 15, 2013, at 16:56 14, Nathan Steele wrote:
>
>> It's hard to catch it but when the wa
>> is up it seems like mysql or nfs are in the number 2 position. AFAIK
>> there were no issues with playout at this time, at least I didn't hear
>> anything.
> That would make sense, as those are the two big I/O eaters.
>
> Those numbers are marginally high.  What kind of filesystem are you using for 
> /var/snd, and when was the last time you did an fsck on it?  I've seen some 
> (particularly ReiserFS) start to generate big latencies after going for 
> awhile without some preening.  An fsck will usually restore things.  Better 
> yet, use ext4.
>
> I've also seen failing hardware (esp. discs and network cards) cause this 
> kind of thing.
>
>
>> When it does affect playout it is often on the order of minutes, not
>> brief dropouts or anything like that, but minute(s) of silence.
> Wow -- I've never seen anything even on the order of that.  I'd also be 
> looking at network cables and such.
>
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Re: [RDD] still suffering random freezes in rdairplay, please help....

[Nathan Steele]

on the server, %wa value is  going above 10, if I watch it for a minute 
it will always jump above 10 at least once, sometimes more. on the other 
hand it is mostly between 0-2 the rest of the time and will often drop 
back to sero right after peaking for 1 refresh cycle. the highest I saw 
was 32. CAED is always at the top of the list, which doesn't surprise 
me, I would think it should be consuming the most resources, it is 
typicaly taking 10-15% of the CPU. It's hard to catch it but when the wa 
is up it seems like mysql or nfs are in the number 2 position. AFAIK 
there were no issues with playout at this time, at least I didn't hear 
anything.

When it does affect playout it is often on the order of minutes, not 
brief dropouts or anything like that, but minute(s) of silence.

I need to go observe the client now for a little while though I suspect 
it will be better of, it is doing virtually nothing compared to the server.

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On 3/15/2013 12:33 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
>> This can be a nasty to find, as there are many potential culprits -- server, 
>> client and the network in-between are all possibilities.
> You're telling meI've been fighting this one for a while. problem Is
> I'm not sure when it started because it's so intermittent I might not
> have noticed it for weeks.
>
>> I'd start by taking a good look at top(1) on both client and server.  In 
>> addition to the obvious things like load averages, keep an eye on the wait 
>> percentage (the 'wa' field).  This is an indication of how hard the I/O 
>> system is being worked.  This should normally be hovering around zero; 
>> anything consistently higher than around 10% is cause for concern.
> I'll take a look at this after lunch and let you know what I find.
>
>>Is this a gigabit network?
> Yes it is, and as of this week the client and server are on their own
> switch. I suppose I could start sniffing the network, But I'll have to
> get that all setup.
>
> I"m half tempted to just come in in the middle of the night and reboot
> everything, but I know I shouldn't need to do that and I'd rather
> Identify the problem and know what it was.
>
> Thanks Fred, I"ll let you know what I find out.
>
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> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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>
> On 3/15/2013 12:04 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 19:43 41, Nathan Steele wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing appears in /var/log/messages when it happens sound output stops,
>>> meters freeze, counter keeps counting, when it resumes playback, it
>>> seems to pick up where it left off, but when the counter reaches zero it
>>> transitions (because the counter kept counting). Rdairplay is on one
>>> machine, Mysql, /var/snd , and CAE running on the server with 2 ASI
>>> cards for output.
>> Data starvation between the server and the client.
>>
>>
>>> What do I need to check here?
>> This can be a nasty to find, as there are many potential culprits -- server, 
>> client and the network in-between are all possibilities.
>>
>> I'd start by taking a good look at top(1) on both client and server.  In 
>> addition to the obvious things like load averages, keep an eye on the wait 
>> percentage (the 'wa' field).  This is an indication of how hard the I/O 
>> system is being worked.  This should normally be hovering around zero; 
>> anything consistently higher than around 10% is cause for concern.
>>
>> If the systems are clean, then it's time to take a close look at the 
>> network.  Is this a gigabit network?
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
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Re: [RDD] still suffering random freezes in rdairplay, please help....

[Nathan Steele]

> This can be a nasty to find, as there are many potential culprits -- server, 
> client and the network in-between are all possibilities.
You're telling meI've been fighting this one for a while. problem Is 
I'm not sure when it started because it's so intermittent I might not 
have noticed it for weeks.

> I'd start by taking a good look at top(1) on both client and server.  In 
> addition to the obvious things like load averages, keep an eye on the wait 
> percentage (the 'wa' field).  This is an indication of how hard the I/O 
> system is being worked.  This should normally be hovering around zero; 
> anything consistently higher than around 10% is cause for concern.
I'll take a look at this after lunch and let you know what I find.

>   Is this a gigabit network?
Yes it is, and as of this week the client and server are on their own 
switch. I suppose I could start sniffing the network, But I'll have to 
get that all setup.

I"m half tempted to just come in in the middle of the night and reboot 
everything, but I know I shouldn't need to do that and I'd rather 
Identify the problem and know what it was.

Thanks Fred, I"ll let you know what I find out.

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Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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On 3/15/2013 12:04 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 19:43 41, Nathan Steele wrote:
>
>> Nothing appears in /var/log/messages when it happens sound output stops,
>> meters freeze, counter keeps counting, when it resumes playback, it
>> seems to pick up where it left off, but when the counter reaches zero it
>> transitions (because the counter kept counting). Rdairplay is on one
>> machine, Mysql, /var/snd , and CAE running on the server with 2 ASI
>> cards for output.
> Data starvation between the server and the client.
>
>
>> What do I need to check here?
> This can be a nasty to find, as there are many potential culprits -- server, 
> client and the network in-between are all possibilities.
>
> I'd start by taking a good look at top(1) on both client and server.  In 
> addition to the obvious things like load averages, keep an eye on the wait 
> percentage (the 'wa' field).  This is an indication of how hard the I/O 
> system is being worked.  This should normally be hovering around zero; 
> anything consistently higher than around 10% is cause for concern.
>
> If the systems are clean, then it's time to take a close look at the network. 
>  Is this a gigabit network?
>
> Cheers!
>
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Re: [RDD] still suffering random freezes in rdairplay, please help....

[Nathan Steele]

I'll check this, The UID's should match right?

They are both Broadcast appliance imstalls, so they should be the same 
but I'll double check anyway.

Thanks.

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Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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On 3/15/2013 12:04 PM, rugge...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 3/14/2013 5:43 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
>> I am clueless as to what is causing this?
>>
>> Nothing appears in /var/log/messages when it happens sound output stops,
>> meters freeze, counter keeps counting, when it resumes playback, it
>> seems to pick up where it left off, but when the counter reaches zero it
>> transitions (because the counter kept counting). Rdairplay is on one
>> machine, Mysql, /var/snd , and CAE running on the server with 2 ASI
>> cards for output.
>>
>> What do I need to check here?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
> I had this issue when I took my LDAP server offline then had to make
> sure that all the UID's lined up across the machine to get the
> performance back.
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[RDD] still suffering random freezes in rdairplay, please help....

[Nathan Steele]

I am clueless as to what is causing this?

Nothing appears in /var/log/messages when it happens sound output stops, 
meters freeze, counter keeps counting, when it resumes playback, it 
seems to pick up where it left off, but when the counter reaches zero it 
transitions (because the counter kept counting). Rdairplay is on one 
machine, Mysql, /var/snd , and CAE running on the server with 2 ASI 
cards for output.

What do I need to check here?

Thanks

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Re: [RDD] Invalid Cart...but it's not.... Solved (I Think)

[Nathan Steele]

I was aware that it takes the current time
However, the current time should have been valid in the log, apparently 
it only checks when it is loaded? it shows normal in rdlibrary... anyway 
I think It's all sorted out now, user misunderstanding.

thanks, sometimes just typing out the problem leads to the solution...

Nathaniel C. Steele
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On 3/4/2013 4:54 PM, waynemerricks wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just a quick heads up.  Whenever you look at any cart it tells you
> whether it is valid or not based on the current system time of the PC
> you're using.
>
> This has given me user questions like:
>
> "I imported the Quiz for April but when I check the April logs its all
> red"
>
> Or
>
> "I set this advert to play between 1pm and 2pm but the cart is showing
> the one that should play now"
>
> We have further problems in our building as the play out is set to IST
> where as the work stations are all GMT.
>
> Finally a quick warning about auto refresh, on an older version of Riv
> (I think v 2.0.something) auto refresh caused the log to append from the
> start underneath whatever was currently playing.
>
> It might be something I did wrong but my solution was to turn off auto
> refresh and make a macro that called a custom reload log script.  This
> also had issues in the older version as it stopped the currently playing
> item by doing a Play Next once it was loaded.  So I patched the files to
> change it to a make next instead.
>
> There was discussion on this script/macro about 2 weeks ago.
>
> The older version thing has probably changed by now but test auto
> refresh anyway before you go into production.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 2013-03-04 20:56, Nathan Steele wrote:
>> I have set a program to expire tonight and instructed the presenter
>> to
>> let the "invalid cart" play anyway to see what happens. They had been
>> dumping them when they see invalid cart. I suspect that if it tries
>> to
>> play what it thhought was an invalid cart at midnight when it loaded,
>> but it now has a valid cut (put in by rdcatch after midnight) that it
>> will play the cut. Am I thinking wrong here? My reasoning is that
>> they
>> show up invalid in the log on monday but I check in RDlibrary and it
>> says it played. I also just ran a playout report and it says that
>> programs before the first airshift played.
>>
>> So I think we have an operator problem not a software problem.
>>
>> Would be nice if someone could tell me wether auto refresh log
>> setting
>> would detect the valid cuts and not have the carts show as invalid,
>> which freaks the presenters out. Apparently when an invalid cart with
>> a
>> timed start(Make Next) plays it will cut of the song thats playing at
>> the time it is scheduled, ignoring the make next instruction. I heard
>> it
>> do this this morning because we do have one truly invalid cartIs
>> that a bug?
>>
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Re: [RDD] Invalid Cart...but it's not.... Solved (I Think)

[Nathan Steele]

I have set a program to expire tonight and instructed the presenter to 
let the "invalid cart" play anyway to see what happens. They had been 
dumping them when they see invalid cart. I suspect that if it tries to 
play what it thhought was an invalid cart at midnight when it loaded, 
but it now has a valid cut (put in by rdcatch after midnight) that it 
will play the cut. Am I thinking wrong here? My reasoning is that they 
show up invalid in the log on monday but I check in RDlibrary and it 
says it played. I also just ran a playout report and it says that 
programs before the first airshift played.

So I think we have an operator problem not a software problem.

Would be nice if someone could tell me wether auto refresh log setting 
would detect the valid cuts and not have the carts show as invalid, 
which freaks the presenters out. Apparently when an invalid cart with a 
timed start(Make Next) plays it will cut of the song thats playing at 
the time it is scheduled, ignoring the make next instruction. I heard it 
do this this morning because we do have one truly invalid cartIs 
that a bug?

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On 3/4/2013 3:19 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
> BY the way offsetting in RDcatch offsets the start date as well, so
> that's no good.
>
> Nathaniel C. Steele
> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
> WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
>
> On 3/4/2013 2:50 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
>> That's the case, so will the cart play or not? I just found out that
>> they skip them when they come up red, because it messes up the music if
>> there actually is no cut in the cart. I've told them not to do that and
>> see what happens. I also went up there a little while ago and looked and
>> the only thing I see Invalid, actually is invalid so I don't know what's
>> going on now. You get told one thing (I"m not in that early in the
>> morning), and then have to figure out what's really going on.
>>
>> Thing is, why would it only be on monday? oh, because fridays cuts are
>> expierd by that time ( they get imported with a end date 2 days after
>> the start date, that's the way the programs come, it's in the cart chunk
>> data.Maybe if I offset the end time by one more day
>>
>> Nathaniel C. Steele
>> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
>> WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
>>
>> On 3/4/2013 2:13 PM, Sébastien Leblanc wrote:
>>> Maybe the log is not refreshed when the cart is updated with today's
>>> content... Is that cart playing on the same day that it is downloaded?
>>> I suspect that when your log is loaded at midnight, the cart is not
>>> yet available, so at that time it was invalid.
>>>
>>> On 4 March 2013 13:16, Nathan Steele  wrote:
>>>> Every monday (i'm told) we have programs that do not play (all of them).
>>>> these programs are downloaded into RD by RDCATCH between 1 am and 2 am.
>>>> this is done monday-friday, but only mondays seem to fail.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at todays log and all the programs are red saying invalid cart,
>>>> but When I look at the carts in RDlibrary, I don't see what is invalid
>>>> about them and it says it played once today. I will have to actually
>>>> listen for the next one and see if it really plays or if the host's just
>>>> think it didn't play beause it says invalid cart. butWhy does it say
>>>> invalid cart anyway? I see no issues with start/end dates or dayparting,
>>>> and the carts are there.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Nathan
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Re: [RDD] Invalid Cart...but it's not....

[Nathan Steele]

BY the way offsetting in RDcatch offsets the start date as well, so 
that's no good.

Nathaniel C. Steele
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On 3/4/2013 2:50 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
> That's the case, so will the cart play or not? I just found out that
> they skip them when they come up red, because it messes up the music if
> there actually is no cut in the cart. I've told them not to do that and
> see what happens. I also went up there a little while ago and looked and
> the only thing I see Invalid, actually is invalid so I don't know what's
> going on now. You get told one thing (I"m not in that early in the
> morning), and then have to figure out what's really going on.
>
> Thing is, why would it only be on monday? oh, because fridays cuts are
> expierd by that time ( they get imported with a end date 2 days after
> the start date, that's the way the programs come, it's in the cart chunk
> data.Maybe if I offset the end time by one more day
>
> Nathaniel C. Steele
> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
> WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
>
> On 3/4/2013 2:13 PM, Sébastien Leblanc wrote:
>> Maybe the log is not refreshed when the cart is updated with today's
>> content... Is that cart playing on the same day that it is downloaded?
>> I suspect that when your log is loaded at midnight, the cart is not
>> yet available, so at that time it was invalid.
>>
>> On 4 March 2013 13:16, Nathan Steele  wrote:
>>> Every monday (i'm told) we have programs that do not play (all of them).
>>> these programs are downloaded into RD by RDCATCH between 1 am and 2 am.
>>> this is done monday-friday, but only mondays seem to fail.
>>>
>>> I looked at todays log and all the programs are red saying invalid cart,
>>> but When I look at the carts in RDlibrary, I don't see what is invalid
>>> about them and it says it played once today. I will have to actually
>>> listen for the next one and see if it really plays or if the host's just
>>> think it didn't play beause it says invalid cart. butWhy does it say
>>> invalid cart anyway? I see no issues with start/end dates or dayparting,
>>> and the carts are there.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Nathan
>>>
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Re: [RDD] Invalid Cart...but it's not....

[Nathan Steele]

I'd have to overhaul the way everything is setup, it currently gets the 
correct file by using the date wildcard, so If I did it the day before 
I"d get the day before file

I might be able to enable auto log refresh..but would that pick it up? 
the cart is there already anyway, it just thinks the cut is invalid 
because it expired over the weekend. I''m not adding a cart, just a cut 
in the cart
I had auto refresh turned off as a safety margin, but I think I could 
turn it on, if it will solve the problem.

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On 3/4/2013 2:57 PM, Sébastien Leblanc wrote:
> Kind of a hack, but are you able to download the carts the day before,
> during the evening?
>
> Are you able to enable auto log refreshes? That would surely fix your
> problems. However, failing so, maybe you can craft a small Rivendell
> macro that can add the cart right before it will play.
>
>  From the wiki:
>> ADD NEXT
>> Mneumonic: PX
>> Syntax:
>> PX  !
>>
>> Insert cart  in the next to play position on log machine .
> You would have to put that command right at the place you want to play
> your cart. Maybe add some padding (1s delay) as I am not too sure if
> it could maybe execute it too fast.
>
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Re: [RDD] Invalid Cart...but it's not....

[Nathan Steele]

That's the case, so will the cart play or not? I just found out that 
they skip them when they come up red, because it messes up the music if 
there actually is no cut in the cart. I've told them not to do that and 
see what happens. I also went up there a little while ago and looked and 
the only thing I see Invalid, actually is invalid so I don't know what's 
going on now. You get told one thing (I"m not in that early in the 
morning), and then have to figure out what's really going on.

Thing is, why would it only be on monday? oh, because fridays cuts are 
expierd by that time ( they get imported with a end date 2 days after 
the start date, that's the way the programs come, it's in the cart chunk 
data.Maybe if I offset the end time by one more day

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 3/4/2013 2:13 PM, Sébastien Leblanc wrote:
> Maybe the log is not refreshed when the cart is updated with today's
> content... Is that cart playing on the same day that it is downloaded?
> I suspect that when your log is loaded at midnight, the cart is not
> yet available, so at that time it was invalid.
>
> On 4 March 2013 13:16, Nathan Steele  wrote:
>> Every monday (i'm told) we have programs that do not play (all of them).
>> these programs are downloaded into RD by RDCATCH between 1 am and 2 am.
>> this is done monday-friday, but only mondays seem to fail.
>>
>> I looked at todays log and all the programs are red saying invalid cart,
>> but When I look at the carts in RDlibrary, I don't see what is invalid
>> about them and it says it played once today. I will have to actually
>> listen for the next one and see if it really plays or if the host's just
>> think it didn't play beause it says invalid cart. butWhy does it say
>> invalid cart anyway? I see no issues with start/end dates or dayparting,
>> and the carts are there.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nathan
>>
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[RDD] Invalid Cart...but it's not....

[Nathan Steele]

Every monday (i'm told) we have programs that do not play (all of them). 
these programs are downloaded into RD by RDCATCH between 1 am and 2 am. 
this is done monday-friday, but only mondays seem to fail.

I looked at todays log and all the programs are red saying invalid cart, 
but When I look at the carts in RDlibrary, I don't see what is invalid 
about them and it says it played once today. I will have to actually 
listen for the next one and see if it really plays or if the host's just 
think it didn't play beause it says invalid cart. butWhy does it say 
invalid cart anyway? I see no issues with start/end dates or dayparting, 
and the carts are there.

Thanks,
Nathan

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Re: [RDD] Broadcast Tools 8x2 switcher

[Nathan Steele]

Have you tried rebooting the switcher (unplug it and plug it back in) 
this fixed ours when it wasn't responding to our wide orbit system, 
wasted 2-3 hours trying to figure that one out

Otherwise I have no clue, sorry. Haven't used one with RD yet

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On 2/28/2013 3:09 PM, Rob Landry wrote:
> To my surprise, I'm having trouble with a Broadcast Tools 8x2 switcher
> that worked perfectly a few days ago. The other day, I
> was able to use SO commands to make it switch, but today it inexplicably
> ignores them.
>
> Today I tried setting it up to use ST commands. The first two worked (sort
> of), but now it's ignoring those too.
>
> The switcher works reliably in Putty when I type in commands such as:
>
> *11{CR}
>
> ...which would eliminate the possibility of a hardware problem, a
> connection problem, or a configuration problem. The serial port parameters
> are 2400/N/8/1.
>
> I wonder what I'm doing wrong.
>
> This is Rivendell 2.1.5 running on Debian 6.
>
>
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Re: [RDD] USB control surfaces

[Nathan Steele]

That looks perfect for your application.

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On 2/27/2013 1:01 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> Here's one that looks *very* nice: the Vestax VCM-600.  $850 discount off
> $1300 list, but mid 5's on eBay:
>
>http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_nkw=vcm-600
>
> and a large control panel view:
>
>
> http://www.musikland-online.de/pix/download/vevcu253942/Vestax_VCM-600_USB_Controller.jpg
>
> That panel has *edgelighting* for using it in the dark.  Looking into how
> practical it is to mold it to JACK, say, or ALSA.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra

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Re: [RDD] USB control surfaces

[Nathan Steele]

standard MIDI CC's are 7bits (0-127), NRPN's are 14 bits, and a little 
more complicated to use being composed of two 7 bit Bytes. not sure if 
the Nanocontrol supports NRPN's. I can check for you later tonight, I 
have it at home.

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On 2/27/2013 11:04 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Nathan Steele" 
>> If you can use MIDI to accomplish your goals, there are any number of
>> controllers availible, from cheap to obscenely expensive to DIY, like
>> these www.ucapps.de I've built some of the stuff there and it's great,
>> and has come a long way in the last couple years too, NO usb when I
>> was working on them, but I'm pretty sure the newer core modules support
>> usb.
>>
>> Korg NanoKontrol is a cheap controller with 9 knobs, 9 sliders, 18
>> buttons, transport control, and 4 banks for the knobs sliders and
>> buttons, about 50 bucks, the nanokontrol2 goes to 8 knobs and sliders
>> I thnk. I own the 9 slider version and use it to control Lighting
>> software at church. It's small and cheap, just hot glue the mini usb plug 
>> into
>> the controller if your software wont detedt hot plugs, it's not the
>> tightest fitting connector.
> I don't object to MIDI, as long as the rotary controller messages have
> enough bits; I would assume I need at least 10, maybe 12, for smooth audio
> fading.
>
> Hadn't seen those; will look.  Tnx.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [RDD] USB control surfaces

[Nathan Steele]

The APC's are not straight forward to use with software other than 
ableton from what I understand. I asked around about that because it 
would have been great for my lighting software. apparently they are not 
class compliant midi interfaces. Something was mentioned about starting 
ableton up first and then you could do user mode...sounded like a hassle 
to me. maybe you could write some software to get it working if your 
good at that stuff, me I moved on to other Ideas. will probably end up 
DIY'ing one at some point.

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On 2/27/2013 10:48 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "drew Roberts" 
>>> If so, have you found a decent, and not horribly expensive, mixer control
>>> surface with, say, start and assign buttons? I don't mind running Riven
>>> proper on a touch screen, but damnit, I want sliders. Good ones. And
>>> start buttons at the bottom.
>>>
>>> Anyone seen anything? I've just gotten motivated.
>> Let's brainstorm / keep in touch on this issue. We are looking to help
>> a school set up a small station.
>>
>> I was just speaking to Brooks recently about the idea of a very inexpensive
>> setup where the students could effectively set up most of what is at school
>> in their home to play with it more than school time allows.
>>
>> My first thought was a regular pc doing rivendell and then a tablet
>> with a broadcast console setup that controlled the rivendell pc.
>>
>> A physical control surface would be nice as well.
> I have in mind, and I should have mentioned it in the first posting,
> something akin to the AKAI APC-20 or -40 Ableton Live controllers (q.g.[1]).
>
> Those don't have the big Start and Stop buttons under the faders to mash,
> though, and I'm sort of in love with those buttons.
>
> Still looking.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
>
> [1] quod googleth

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Re: [RDD] USB control surfaces

[Nathan Steele]

If you can use MIDI to accomplish your goals, there are any number of 
controllers availible, from cheap to obscenely expensive to DIY, like 
these www.ucapps.de  I've built some of the stuff there and it's great, 
and has come a long way in the last couple years too, NO usb when I was 
working on them, but I'm pretty sure the newer core modules support usb.

Korg NanoKontrol is a cheap controller with 9 knobs, 9 sliders, 18 
buttons, transport control, and 4 banks for the knobs sliders and 
buttons, about 50 bucks, the nanokontrol2 goes to 8 knobs and sliders I 
thnk. I own the 9 slider version and use it to control Lighting software 
at church. It's small and cheap, just hot glue the mini usb plug into 
the controller if your software wont detedt hot plugs, it's not the 
tightest fitting connector.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 2/26/2013 10:06 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> Is anyone doing Rivendell in a Box?  Everything, all the way to a shoutcast
> uplink, inside a single PC?
>
> If so, have you found a decent, and not horribly expensive, mixer control
> surface with, say, start and assign buttons?  I don't mind running Riven
> proper on a touch screen, but damnit, I want sliders.  Good ones.  And
> start buttons at the bottom.
>
> Anyone seen anything?  I've just gotten motivated.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra

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Re: [RDD] Performance in a LAN environment

[Nathan Steele]

> So your airchain machines don't talk to the Internet at all, then?
Well, they do. And let me state here and now that I did not design the 
layout of our network, and won't claim this to be the best. All 
automation equipment is on a completely seperate network from everything 
else. there is a completely seperate cable modem, firewall/router and 
switches. we have two stations (one using a non Rivendell automation 
system) and each automation is on its own Gigabit switch. Only critical 
machines are on this network and NO internet browsing is done, though 
there must be internet connectivity fro things like now/next data, our 
shoutcast streams, RDCatch, etc user accessed machines on this 
network (production computers, etc) have thier DNS settings wrong so 
they can't get to the internet, and they are still running AV software 
anyway.

Again, I try to do the best with what I have, and won't claim security 
to be an area of expertise, though compared to joe average I'm sure I"m 
leagues above, compared to a network security specialist I am surely a 
rank amateur

> In my case, the network side and the broadcast side have both been major
> interests for me for a long time; I worked in my votech HS's "radio
> station" with a 4-knob RCA and Big Tables, so while I'm not an expert
> on either side, I'm probably pretty close to equivalent in both.  RF?
>
> Well, even though I got my first ham ticket in 81... not so much anymore.

When I was 19 I studied to be a recording engineer. life happened and I 
had to go back to my hometown (with 0 recording studios) and3 years 
later I went back to school to get an associates degree in electronics, 
which included a handful of computer hardware, programming, and 
networking classes, and of course had been tinkering with computers 
since I was 14 (but audio most of my life). Did 6 years as an AV Tech 
for the local school board, designing installing and repairing audio 
video and lighting systems/ equipment. Met our chief engineer during 
this time and did some part time work for the station. when It came time 
to launch the second station I quit the cushy govt job and Now I"m in 
radio the last 3 years. In some ways I am still a fish out of water, by 
no means a radio veteran, but studios are studios, and audio is audio. 
The rest I just have to take a it comes. Fortunately the Chief is very 
strong on RF and has been in radio most of his life, so I have a good 
mentor on the RF side of things.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 2/25/2013 11:47 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Nathan Steele" 
>>> 1) Is there anything on that physical switch besides the Rivendell
>>> servers and workstations?
>> NOPE, and there shouldn't be.
> And that's probably the most important thing.
>
>>> 2) Do you have dual Ethernets in each machine?
>> In the machines, yes, but currently I do not have a redundant network,
>> it's part of the plan though.
> So your airchain machines don't talk to the Internet at all, then?
>
>>> 4) Are the Ethernet cables a different color? (Usually, red is
>>> reserved
>>> for your unfirewalled public IP connection, but it's probably still
>>> the
>>> best choice, here. Or magenta, if you can find it.)
>> OK, Guilty here, but I agree with the principle. I used what we had
>> laying around though. should change them out someday...
> As much as anything, this is a shibboleth for people who walk in and
> look at your plant.  Like laced cable bundles.  (No, I don't know how
> to lace either.)
>
>> I take no offense here, it's true to a degree. I personally am an Audio
>> engineer first, Computers/networks second and RF third (a distant third
>> at that)...But I recognize that and don't pretend o be an expert where
>> I'm not. sometimes we end up being the expert in the eyes of management
>> though (because we know more than they do). I don't hesitate to warn
>> them when theyre asking me to work beyond my expertise, I"ll do it,
>> I"ll learn what I need to, but I at least tell them that. We area non
>> profit so hiring some one else to do it s usually not an option.
> And that's a common situation for people running Rivendell, I'm certain.
>
> In my case, the network side and the broadcast side have both been major
> interests for me for a long time; I worked in my votech HS's "radio
> station" with a 4-knob RCA and Big Tables, so while I'm not an expert
> on either side, I'm probably pretty close to equivalent in both.  RF?
>
> Well, even though I got my first ham ticket in 81... not so much anymore.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra

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Re: [RDD] Performance in a LAN environment

[Nathan Steele]

In my case, as I said, I'm pretty sure disk I/O is the bottleneck, not 
the LAN. and the large transfer I am talking about is RSYNC backing up 
/var/snd one a week, which I have tamed using command line options.

> *The LAN it's connected to is part of your airchain*.
>
> *You have to treat it that way*.
Absolutely agree.
> 1) Is there anything on that physical switch besides the Rivendell
> servers and workstations?
NOPE, and there shouldn't be.
> 2) Do you have dual Ethernets in each machine?
In the machines, yes, but currently I do not have a redundant network, 
it's part of the plan though.

> 3) Is that switch on its own long-runtime UPS or protected tech power?
Yes.
> 4) Are the Ethernet cables a different color?  (Usually, red is reserved
> for your unfirewalled public IP connection, but it's probably still the
> best choice, here.  Or magenta, if you can find it.)

OK, Guilty here, but I agree with the principle. I used what we had 
laying around though. should change them out someday...

> There is,
> I have found, a tendency to forget that network engineers spent as much
> time learning our trade as you studio and RF engineers did learning yours,
> and we can't pick yours up in 6 months anymore than you can pick up ours.

I take no offense here, it's true to a degree. I personally am an Audio 
engineer first, Computers/networks second and RF third (a distant third 
at that)...But I recognize that and don't pretend o be an expert where 
I'm not. sometimes we end up being the expert in the eyes of management 
though (because we know more than they do). I don't hesitate to warn 
them when theyre asking me to work beyond my expertise, I"ll do it, I"ll 
learn what I need to, but I at least tell them that. We area non profit 
so hiring some one else to do it s usually not an option.


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On 2/25/2013 11:22 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brooks Whiteford" 
>> If you're finding dropouts are common during big data transfers, perhaps a
>> new network switch is in order. We didn't have a lot of cash to spend, but
>> an enterprise grade Cisco switch has made network issues a thing of the
>> past.
> The implications underneath this point to something that's always sort of
> irritated me.
>
> 
> I've only worked in a live-to-air facility once; a cable
> TV sales network.  But even there, in the truly miserable, amateur plant
> I got handed, I always treated the air path as sacred, and did everything
> I could to make it as reliable as possible.
>
> If you're running Rivendell live-to-air (and by this, I mean that R proper
> is playing live to air, not that you're not in full-automation mode)...
>
> *The LAN it's connected to is part of your airchain*.
>
> *You have to treat it that way*.
>
> People are shaking their heads at me now, but it appears that this is
> *not* a message from Captain Obvious:
>
> 1) Is there anything on that physical switch besides the Rivendell
> servers and workstations?
>
> 2) Do you have dual Ethernets in each machine?
>
> 3) Is that switch on its own long-runtime UPS or protected tech power?
>
> 4) Are the Ethernet cables a different color?  (Usually, red is reserved
> for your unfirewalled public IP connection, but it's probably still the
> best choice, here.  Or magenta, if you can find it.)
>
> I understand that part of the point is that Rivendell is "free", but free
> means as little here -- or less -- than it does in any other environment
> where you can get FOSS software to replace commercial stuff.  There is,
> I have found, a tendency to forget that network engineers spent as much
> time learning our trade as you studio and RF engineers did learning yours,
> and we can't pick yours up in 6 months anymore than you can pick up ours.
>
> [ On re-reading, that sounds unnecessarily combative, but I can't think
> of a better way to phrase it; please don't take it personally, Any Given
> Reader. :-} ]
>
> The biggest offender here, amusingly, is Broadcast Engineering magazine,
> which regularly publishes IP networking articles which were clearly
> written by people who don't have the first (or occasionally, second or
> third) clue what they're talking about, and mislead their broadcast
> engineer readers into thinking they've become experts.
>
> Well, perhaps it's slightly easier to pick up the first 30% of network
> engineering than it is RF engineering, but that last 70% is critical.
>
> But I don't mean to go off on a  or anything.  :-)
>
> Cheers,
> -- jr 'apologies to Fred for the noise' a

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Re: [RDD] Performance in a LAN environment

[Nathan Steele]

WE use case 2. problem is, a network disturbance still causes problems., 
ie unplug network cable, song stops. Would be nice if the current song 
would at least keep playing, this would allow you to close and reopen 
rdairplay for example if you needed to change a setting. I also have 
experienced problems during large file transfers, and am not totally 
sure wether it is network or disk bandwidth that is the bottleneck, 
though I'm leaning toward disk, since it is a gigabit network, with only 
Rivendell machines on that switch.

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On 2/25/2013 9:01 AM, Alessio Elmi wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> sometimes we feel like a delay in commands (from the moment we press
> NEXT to the moment I effectively hear sound). I was wonder is changing
> the structure may help or not.
>
> CASE 1 (present situation): Computer A has installed RDAirPlay and has
> audio card. Computer B has db and audio storage. Basically input goes
> from A -> B, and then audio come back B -> A.
>
> CASE 2 (alternative). Computer A has only RDAirPlay and computer B has
> db, audio storage and audio card. Computer A uses B's audio engine. By
> doing this I should save some millisecond..
>
> CASE 3: (not sure if possible). Each Rivendell workstation has a local
> copy of audio storage which is synced "continuously" with a master
> share. Each Rivendell /var/snd is local.
>
> Which case do you prefer?
>
> In the end I think I can even tune ALSA and NFS setup, but I'm not an expert..
>
> Alessio
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Re: [RDD] RDCatch

[Nathan Steele]

They are MP2's, and they will load when I run Catch again manually, but 
by then some of the carts have aired yesterdays version again. doesn't 
seem to be any ryhme or reason to it.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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On 2/16/2013 3:41 AM, Robert wrote:
> check the tags if they are mp3's
>
> RD is very sensitive to garbage in tags and if your progs are sourced
> off site the editors may leave tags with junk in them.
>
> I have a script which cleans out tags on some stuff I get which sufferes
> from this and sets tags based on the filename and nulls all the ones we
> don't have data for.
>
> This may not apply in your case, but it's an option to look at.
>
> regards
>
> Robert On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 13:15 -0500, Nathan Steele wrote:
>> I'm having a slight problem with RD Catch. I have events setup to import
>> programs from a directory on the local machine into their proper carts
>> every morning between 1 am and 1:30 am. The files are put in this
>> directory a couple days in advance (usually) automatically. The problem
>> I have is now every day I have some files that do not transfer. today
>> was only one, yesterday 2, the day before it was 4. the transfers are
>> timed 1 minute apart and usually take about 30 seconds (they are short
>> programs, and exist on the local machine already). I don't get any
>> errors, it looks like the event ran but the date is wrong in the
>> imported from field, thats how I can tell. The files are there, changing
>> the run time and running again always gets them. What do I need to look
>> at to fix this problem, these programs start running before I am in in
>> the morning and I need the right ones to be there, they also play
>> multiple times in the day so I cant set them to transfer before I leave
>> either.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nathan
>>
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[RDD] Playout question

[Nathan Steele]

OK, Is there anyway  to get a report of what was scheduled but did not 
play? I have a report of what actually played, and there is the log in 
the system that says what should have played. I want to know what didn't 
play, which could be because the presenter skipped it or because the 
cart was empty, I don't need the reason but if that can be determined it 
would be cool.

Hope that you can understand that question because for some reason I'm 
having trouble with it...

thanks

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[RDD] RD airplay freezes

[Nathan Steele]

I have been suffering from freezes in rdaiplay lately, usually right 
after a new song starts, I'll get a second or two of audio then a 
freeze, sometimes it comes back on it's own shortly. it just happened 
again and I had to restart rdairplay, the counter on the song was 
counting, but the meters were frozen and the audio silent.Rdairplay was 
completely nonresponsive. then I checked /var/log/messages and while 
doing that it froze again, same deal, restart rdairplay.

this is what I saw in /var/log/messages:

Feb 15 14:14:26 rdncs rdairplay: started audio cart: Line: 373 Cart: 
12038  Cut: 3 Pos: 0  Card: 0  Stream: 1  Port: 0
Feb 15 14:14:26 rdncs rdairplay: rlm_shoutcast1: sending pad update: 
"The%20Point%20by%20Prison%20Fellowship%20Ministry"
Feb 15 14:14:27 rdncs rdairplay: finished event: Line: 372  Cart: 
102908  Cut: 1 Card: 0  Stream: 0  Port: 0
Feb 15 14:15:00 rdncs ripcd: ran local maintenance routines
Feb 15 14:15:00 rdncs ripcd: invalid SQL or failed DB connection: lock 
tables VERSION write
Feb 15 14:15:08 rdncs ripcd: Database connection failed : lock tables 
VERSION write
Feb 15 14:15:08 rdncs ripcd: Database connection restored.
Feb 15 14:15:26 rdncs rdairplay: started audio cart: Line: 374 Cart: 
102440  Cut: 1 Pos: 0  Card: 0  Stream: 0  Port: 0
Feb 15 14:15:26 rdncs rdairplay: finished event: Line: 373  Cart: 12038  
Cut: 3 Card: 0  Stream: 1  Port: 0
Feb 15 14:15:26 rdncs rdairplay: rlm_shoutcast1: sending pad update: 
"Ever%20Lifting%20by%20Christy%20Nockels"
Feb 15 14:15:28 rdncs automount[2280]: key ".directory" not found in map 
source(s).
Feb 15 14:15:28 rdncs automount[2280]: create_udp_client:101: hostname 
lookup failed: Unknown server error
Feb 15 14:15:28 rdncs automount[2280]: create_tcp_client:341: hostname 
lookup failed: Unknown server error
Feb 15 14:15:28 rdncs automount[2280]: lookup_mount: exports lookup 
failed for .directory
Feb 15 14:15:28 rdncs automount[2280]: key ".directory" not found in map 
source(s).

looks like maybe a mysql problem?

also the automount lines concern me some. I have no clue what it means 
though...

anyone know what my problem is?

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[RDD] RDCatch

[Nathan Steele]

I'm having a slight problem with RD Catch. I have events setup to import 
programs from a directory on the local machine into their proper carts 
every morning between 1 am and 1:30 am. The files are put in this 
directory a couple days in advance (usually) automatically. The problem 
I have is now every day I have some files that do not transfer. today 
was only one, yesterday 2, the day before it was 4. the transfers are 
timed 1 minute apart and usually take about 30 seconds (they are short 
programs, and exist on the local machine already). I don't get any 
errors, it looks like the event ran but the date is wrong in the 
imported from field, thats how I can tell. The files are there, changing 
the run time and running again always gets them. What do I need to look 
at to fix this problem, these programs start running before I am in in 
the morning and I need the right ones to be there, they also play 
multiple times in the day so I cant set them to transfer before I leave 
either.

Thanks,
Nathan

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[RDD] Easy way to test rdcatch events?

[Nathan Steele]

I wish there was away to manually excute an RDCatch event for testing 
purposes, rather than having to change the times all the time till it 
works and then do this 20 times over. Maybe in the edit screen there 
could be a button to test?

Or have I missed something and you can manually trigger an event without 
changing it's scheduled time?

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Re: [RDD] Dropbox question, was amb-ux question.

[Nathan Steele]

I just did a test with RDcatch and I think I will switch over to using 
it instead. however it didn't seem to like the wildcard * at the end of 
the filename, but it does pull the current days file by using %D so I 
can have one cut that will be overwritten each day, making the end date 
issue an non issue because there will only ever be the one cut to play.

This will also get rid of the 20 rdimports constantly running on the system.

> Not sure but I thought you said you were getting start and end dates.  If you 
> dont have any start date offsets set,
> then I am not sure where any dates are coming from (the WAV file has INFO 
> chunks - maybe the creation date is in there?).
I was getting start and end dates, but the end date was 2 days later and 
the programs are played twice a day and I only want the one program to 
play so I need the start and end dates to be for a 1 day period, not a 
three day period. Ultimately RDCatch is going to work better, lesson 
learned.

Thanks to all who replied

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 2/4/2013 2:47 PM, Todd Baker wrote:
> Dear Nathan,
>
> Yeah, as I looked at the ROG I realized that I may have confused that with 
> something else, my apoligies.
>
> Not sure but I thought you said you were getting start and end dates.  If you 
> dont have any start date offsets set,
> then I am not sure where any dates are coming from (the WAV file has INFO 
> chunks - maybe the creation date is in there?).
>
> I worked on this a long time ago so I have forgotten exactly how the dates 
> are parsed, but I think its in the WAV file INFO chunk.  Something like that. 
> I think someone else (like Fred) can easily answer this more quickly cuz I am 
> fuzzy on that detail. Or look up the associated metadata INFO in WAV format 
> files. And check if your files have INFO in them.
>
> As for using the offsets, the entries can be negative numbers, but the end 
> date number cannot end up being a lesser date than the start date.
>
> So, if the incoming CUTS have no start dates on them, then set those two 
> fields to zero (or leave them at zero since thats the default), and that is 
> effectively today. If you want more days then add to end offset.  The end 
> should always be >= the start offset.  I think the logic works with negative 
> numbers, atleast they work for me - although I dont see much need for 
> creating things that would never be valid which would happen if you used -6 
> for start date and -3 for end date...
>
> Remember:   Both the offsets are always in relation to either TODAY or Start 
> Date from input file.  So the numeric value
> for Start Date offset will always be less than or equal to End date offset.
>
> I entered an createoffset of -6 and -3 for start and end respectively and it 
> created a file with Air Date time Enabled,
> Start Date 01/29/2013 00:00:00 and End Date 02/02/2013 23:59:59.
>
> Hope this helps, and hopefully someone else remembers where these Start and 
> End dates come from via Dropbox files...
>
> Todd
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "nathan steele" 
> To: "User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System" 
> 
> Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:38:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [RDD] Dropbox question, was amb-ux question.
>
>
> Is there a metadata pattern for dates?
> It didnt look like it to me from reading the rivendell operation guide.
>
> I tried the offset end date -2 but it wont take it complaining that  the end 
> offset is greater than the start offset , even though it would make theo 
> start and end the same day...
>
> Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Todd Baker" 
> To: "User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System" 
> 
> Subject: [RDD] Dropbox question, was amb-ux question.
> Date: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 12:16 pm
>
>
> Hi Nathan, et al...
>
> Sorry to chime in so late here but wanted to let you know how that 
> functionality works in relation to this.
>
> The Dropbox GUI has a couple of choices for creating start dates. First one 
> is called offset start date/end date and the other is called Create start 
> date/ end date offset. They should work like this:
>
>  The first group (offset start/end choice) uses the incoming carts start 
> date date and you can enter an offset
>  to set starting and ending dates from using what input entry had coming 
> in.
>
>  The second group creates start and end dates when NO dates are present 
> (starting from today). That functionality will only
>  set (create) entries with start and end dates when there are none 
> present in th

Re: [RDD] Dropbox question, was amb-ux question.

[Nathan Steele]

I'm in communication with Dave right now, I'll get something worked out. 
My problem now is not having a full understanding of how amb-ux works or 
how rdcatch or dropboxes work, though that knowledge is expanding by the 
minute and I'll be on to something soon.


Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 2/1/2013 5:44 PM, Steve Atkins wrote:

Hey Nathan,

On my day job, I am the originator of one of the programs AmbOs 
distributes.  So I asked them if the cart chunk application I use to 
encode could be incorporated into Linux for your purpose.  Here's the 
response I got.


"/although the present Linux version, Amb-UX, doesn't have cart chunk 
manipulation capability, the files do still contain the Cart 
Chunk..You (or the automation vendor) could write a Cart Chunk 
module so the automation could decode..//We'll also chew on it during 
our weekly developer call.."/


So, we'll see what they come up with.

Steve

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*Sent: *Friday, February 1, 2013 2:16:47 PM
*Subject: *Re: [RDD] Dropbox question, was amb-ux question.

They come from our AMR-100 ( http://www.amb-os.com/ambos.html ) which 
is an SFTP receiver. the program amb-ux transfers them from the 
amr-100 to /var/amb-ux. I have contacted the person who wrote amb-ux 
to find out more about how often the files are transferred and whether 
they are one a day or will always come in a group

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
On 2/1/2013 4:52 PM, Geoff Barkman wrote:

Hi Nathan
How did you get the weeks worth of files initially?
Are they produced at your station or do you download them yourself?
I'm looking at the date format in the file name. If I interpret it
correctly it is

HCJB_BTC5_01-30-13_01-01

HCJB_BTC5_Month-Date-2DigitYear_RandomNumbers.MP2?

So you need to set up a script that runs 1 minute after
midnight... Probably using crontab...

#!/bin/bash

#Find out current date and make a variable

CURRENTDATE=`date +%m-%d-%g`

#Move file to the dropbox

mv /downloadedlocation/HCJB_BTC5_$CURRENTDATE_*.MP2
/yourdropboxlocation/HCJB_BTC5_$CURRENTDATE_*.MP2


#end script


Have the dropbox set to delete the contents and replace with
todays audio and that should work.


Many Thanks

Geoff Barkman





On Feb 2, 2013 8:24 AM, "Nathan Steele"
mailto:nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com>> wrote:

OK, so I set this up with dropboxes, but the files come in
with a start
and end date that allows for three days to play, I need it to
only play
on one day and that day should be the date in the filename,
but looking
in the ROG it doesn't seem like there is a metadata pattern
for the
start/end date. I looked at a file in Adobe audition and can't
see that
range in any of the cart chunk or other data. where are these
dates
coming from and how do I fix them?

My dropbox path looks like this: /var/amb-ux/HCJB_BTC5*.MP2

The files are named like this HCJB_BTC5_01-30-13_01-01 and
upon creation
of the dropbox. there were 5 days worth of files in there.

Having looked at the wiki it seems to suggest using rdcatch
instead. how
do I use rdcatch to get a file from a local directory? really
seems like
dropbox would be the more appropriate tool? Did I miss the medata
pattern for start end date?

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/29/2013 5:15 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> So I have amb-ux configured and running and all of my ambos
recievers
> files are showing up in /var/amb-ux. Can someone recommend
to me the
> best way to go about getting them into the appropriate
carts? RDCATCH or
> Dropbox? Previously I was using a dropbox, which had the
files put into
> it from a windows systemk running the ambos ui. Ambos UI
would rename
> the files and put them into a directory that was used by another
> automation system for our other station. then we used an ftp
program to
> log into the rivendell server and put the ones we needed
into the
> dropbox, which would import them and overwrite the previous
days cut.
> Now we are adding more programs that will not be used by the
other
> station and personally I would like to take the windows box
in the
   

Re: [RDD] Dropbox question, was amb-ux question.

[Nathan Steele]

They come from our AMR-100 ( http://www.amb-os.com/ambos.html ) which is 
an SFTP receiver. the program amb-ux transfers them from the amr-100 to 
/var/amb-ux. I have contacted the person who wrote amb-ux to find out 
more about how often the files are transferred and whether they are one 
a day or will always come in a group


Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 2/1/2013 4:52 PM, Geoff Barkman wrote:


Hi Nathan
How did you get the weeks worth of files initially?
Are they produced at your station or do you download them yourself?
I'm looking at the date format in the file name. If I interpret it 
correctly it is


HCJB_BTC5_01-30-13_01-01

HCJB_BTC5_Month-Date-2DigitYear_RandomNumbers.MP2?

So you need to set up a script that runs 1 minute after midnight... 
Probably using crontab...


#!/bin/bash

#Find out current date and make a variable

CURRENTDATE=`date +%m-%d-%g`

#Move file to the dropbox

mv /downloadedlocation/HCJB_BTC5_$CURRENTDATE_*.MP2 
/yourdropboxlocation/HCJB_BTC5_$CURRENTDATE_*.MP2



#end script


Have the dropbox set to delete the contents and replace with todays 
audio and that should work.



Many Thanks

Geoff Barkman





On Feb 2, 2013 8:24 AM, "Nathan Steele" <mailto:nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com>> wrote:


OK, so I set this up with dropboxes, but the files come in with a
start
and end date that allows for three days to play, I need it to only
play
on one day and that day should be the date in the filename, but
looking
in the ROG it doesn't seem like there is a metadata pattern for the
start/end date. I looked at a file in Adobe audition and can't see
that
range in any of the cart chunk or other data. where are these dates
coming from and how do I fix them?

My dropbox path looks like this: /var/amb-ux/HCJB_BTC5*.MP2

The files are named like this HCJB_BTC5_01-30-13_01-01 and upon
creation
of the dropbox. there were 5 days worth of files in there.

Having looked at the wiki it seems to suggest using rdcatch
instead. how
do I use rdcatch to get a file from a local directory? really
seems like
dropbox would be the more appropriate tool? Did I miss the medata
pattern for start end date?

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/29/2013 5:15 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> So I have amb-ux configured and running and all of my ambos
recievers
> files are showing up in /var/amb-ux. Can someone recommend to me the
> best way to go about getting them into the appropriate carts?
RDCATCH or
> Dropbox? Previously I was using a dropbox, which had the files
put into
> it from a windows systemk running the ambos ui. Ambos UI would
rename
> the files and put them into a directory that was used by another
> automation system for our other station. then we used an ftp
program to
> log into the rivendell server and put the ones we needed into the
> dropbox, which would import them and overwrite the previous days
cut.
> Now we are adding more programs that will not be used by the other
> station and personally I would like to take the windows box in the
> middle out of the equation. The nice thing was that the ambos UI
would
> handle sending the correct days program, now I am faced with the
task of
> getting the correct program out of a folder with several days
worth of
> them in it, I know it can be done, just have to get there. any
> suggestions the files are named like this:
>
> "HCJB_BTC5_01_29_13_more numbers_maybe some version number_not sure"
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RDD] Dropbox question, was amb-ux question.

[Nathan Steele]

I have been using the gui to do my dropboxes. If I set one up via 
command line, will it show in the GUI? I would totally forget about it 
if I didn't have a place to check. plus how do you change a dropbox 
setup by command line?
> It is possible to put files in the dropbox and have them carted with a
> start date and end date based on 'today' the day you put them in the
> dropbox. The offset start date end date in the Dropbox options allows
> this.
This might work for me but I have to figure out how amb-ux is working as 
to when and how many files are dumped at once. Initially I had setup 
amb-ux and it dumped 5 days worth of each program. Does anyone use 
amb-ux to transfer files from an AMR-100? based on my initial post that 
answer is NO, as I got NO repliesoh well...there also NO 
documentation on it.

Thanks.


Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 2/1/2013 2:49 PM, Robert wrote:
> It is possible to put files in the dropbox and have them carted with a
> start date and end date based on 'today' the day you put them in the
> dropbox. The offset start date end date in the Dropbox options allows
> this.
>
> RD will read cart chunk data from a wav file, [start date end date] but
> as yet there are no linux audio editors that write cart chunk data. It's
> on the request list for Audacity but low priority because so few
> requests.[hint hint]
>
> There is a patch which allows start date start time end date end time to
> be put in the filename in a manner similar to that you describe. I have
> it and plan to test it on a non critical box here.
>
> Ideally this patch can be included in the rdimport options. Command line
> will be fine... it can make it to the GUI later!
>
> It's not that this has never been considered, it has been, but hasn't
> made it to the top of the list yet.
>
> It would be interesting to know how many users are manually setting
> start dates / times for cuts in carts that are time critical and who
> would find it useful to just save the file with the details written in
> the filename.
>
> Robert Jeffares
> Big Valley Radio
> The Wireless Station
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 14:24 -0500, Nathan Steele wrote:
>> OK, so I set this up with dropboxes, but the files come in with a start
>> and end date that allows for three days to play, I need it to only play
>> on one day and that day should be the date in the filename, but looking
>> in the ROG it doesn't seem like there is a metadata pattern for the
>> start/end date. I looked at a file in Adobe audition and can't see that
>> range in any of the cart chunk or other data. where are these dates
>> coming from and how do I fix them?
>>
>> My dropbox path looks like this: /var/amb-ux/HCJB_BTC5*.MP2
>>
>> The files are named like this HCJB_BTC5_01-30-13_01-01 and upon creation
>> of the dropbox. there were 5 days worth of files in there.
>>
>> Having looked at the wiki it seems to suggest using rdcatch instead. how
>> do I use rdcatch to get a file from a local directory? really seems like
>> dropbox would be the more appropriate tool? Did I miss the medata
>> pattern for start end date?
>>
>> Nathaniel C. Steele
>> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
>> WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
>>
>> On 1/29/2013 5:15 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> So I have amb-ux configured and running and all of my ambos recievers
>>> files are showing up in /var/amb-ux. Can someone recommend to me the
>>> best way to go about getting them into the appropriate carts? RDCATCH or
>>> Dropbox? Previously I was using a dropbox, which had the files put into
>>> it from a windows systemk running the ambos ui. Ambos UI would rename
>>> the files and put them into a directory that was used by another
>>> automation system for our other station. then we used an ftp program to
>>> log into the rivendell server and put the ones we needed into the
>>> dropbox, which would import them and overwrite the previous days cut.
>>> Now we are adding more programs that will not be used by the other
>>> station and personally I would like to take the windows box in the
>>> middle out of the equation. The nice thing was that the ambos UI would
>>> handle sending the correct days program, now I am faced with the task of
>>> getting the correct program out of a folder with several days worth of
>>> them in it, I know it can be done, just have to get there. any
>>> suggestions the files are named like this:
>>>
&

[RDD] Dropbox question, was amb-ux question.

[Nathan Steele]

OK, so I set this up with dropboxes, but the files come in with a start 
and end date that allows for three days to play, I need it to only play 
on one day and that day should be the date in the filename, but looking 
in the ROG it doesn't seem like there is a metadata pattern for the 
start/end date. I looked at a file in Adobe audition and can't see that 
range in any of the cart chunk or other data. where are these dates 
coming from and how do I fix them?

My dropbox path looks like this: /var/amb-ux/HCJB_BTC5*.MP2

The files are named like this HCJB_BTC5_01-30-13_01-01 and upon creation 
of the dropbox. there were 5 days worth of files in there.

Having looked at the wiki it seems to suggest using rdcatch instead. how 
do I use rdcatch to get a file from a local directory? really seems like 
dropbox would be the more appropriate tool? Did I miss the medata 
pattern for start end date?

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/29/2013 5:15 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> So I have amb-ux configured and running and all of my ambos recievers
> files are showing up in /var/amb-ux. Can someone recommend to me the
> best way to go about getting them into the appropriate carts? RDCATCH or
> Dropbox? Previously I was using a dropbox, which had the files put into
> it from a windows systemk running the ambos ui. Ambos UI would rename
> the files and put them into a directory that was used by another
> automation system for our other station. then we used an ftp program to
> log into the rivendell server and put the ones we needed into the
> dropbox, which would import them and overwrite the previous days cut.
> Now we are adding more programs that will not be used by the other
> station and personally I would like to take the windows box in the
> middle out of the equation. The nice thing was that the ambos UI would
> handle sending the correct days program, now I am faced with the task of
> getting the correct program out of a folder with several days worth of
> them in it, I know it can be done, just have to get there. any
> suggestions the files are named like this:
>
> "HCJB_BTC5_01_29_13_more numbers_maybe some version number_not sure"
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell v2.4.0 and RDAdmin Update -- How does one do the RDAmin Update?

[Nathan Steele]

try this, I left out a hyphensorry, I had to write it down and 
retype on another machine. should have been --lock-tables=false.

mysqldump -u rduser -pletmein --lock-tables=false Rivendell > 
/home/rd/Desktop/testrd.sql

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell v2.4.0 and RDAdmin Update -- How does one do the RDAmin Update?

[Nathan Steele]

Is this in anyway related to our not being able to see anything in the 
GUI's Trash folder?


I wouldn't think so, but I am no expert either.

This worked for me from the terminal as root, not sure it was necessary 
to be root but it probably was or I wouldn't have done it


mysqldump -u rduser -pletmein --locktables=false Rivendell > 
/home/rd/20130110rd.sql


I'll break it down as best I understand

mysqldump the command to do the backup
-u rduser the username to access mysql, this is the default if you 
areusing the broadcast appliance installation, otherwise it will be 
whatever you setup.
-pletmein the password to login to mysql, again default on Broadcast 
appliance. the username and password are the same as what is specified 
in the rd.conf file also. not the lack of a space between the -p flag 
and the password is intentional. you can also just use -p but then it 
will ask you for the password.
--locktables=false tells mysql not to lock the tables, which is what was 
causing you the error. so potentially the database could lose some 
things like if a song plays during the backup the play count could be 
off by one. maybe worse things could happen I don't know

Rivendell the database you wish to backup
> /home/rd/20130110rd.sql tells where you want the backup to go, 
including what the file will be named. i use the date and add rd to 
remind me it is the rivendell database. note there is a space between > 
and the path.



AS a curious side effect, the resulting backup shows as a 0kb file, but 
it actually is not and has data in it. not sure why


If any f my info is wrong someone please correct me, but I had to do 
this during a recent server migration and it was a success.


Thanks,


Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/29/2013 5:31 PM, ICR Programs wrote:

Thanks again, to the best user list out there!

Nathan, I can wait. I'll google it anyway to see what I can glean, but 
I am sooo far from a power user I don't want to break anything.


Is this in anyway related to our not being able to see anything in the 
GUI's Trash folder?  We can only see if from the Terminal as in


cd .Trash
ls -al .

then I manually delete by using

rm  *.*



On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Nathan Steele 
mailto:nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com>> 
wrote:


I had the same problem, it has nothing to do with the 2.4.0
update. Google mysql errno 24 and find out how to do a backup
without lock tables from the command line. IF you give me some
time I'll tell you the command that worked for me but I'll have to
go find it in the history.

Wish it would work right from RDadmin though.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/29/2013 5:17 PM, ICR Programs wrote:

Thanks Wayne,

The issue that worries me is this: I am not able to back up the
database.  I should be able to, shouldn't I?

(this was using the Backup Database button on RDAdmin) and trying
it from command line (though I am not sure how to do that).

And, the system wasn't 'live' in the sense that I didn't have
RDAirplay or any other Rivendell components running. I rebooted
the system and then tried all this.

Any suggestions, please?

thanks!
Rene

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, waynemerricks
mailto:waynemerri...@thevoiceasia.com>> wrote:

To update the schema you just need to run RDAdmin.  From
memory not
much happens as far as the user is concerned (unless it dies
in which
case you get an error message).  As for the mysqldump error
it failed
because it couldn't lock the tables on a live system.  You
can dump
without lock tables but data integrity is not guaranteed as
changes
could have been made while the dump was running.

Basically, business as usual but an off putting error message
that
makes you wonder.

Regards,

Wayne

On 2013-01-29 21:27, ICR Programs wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> Im sorry to basically post this same question again, but
the thread
> it
> was in went in another direction and I didnt want to get my
query
> "lost in the shuffle."
>
> What I did glean from the thread and a few other messages
was that
> Apache may be at play here ... however, I dont know
anything about
> Apache or how/why it was affect our system such that we
were able to
> back up the Database before upgrading from 2.3.x to 2.4.0
>
> Also, Im NOT sure about whether this is relevant, and
indeed it was a
> problem that cropped up BEF

Re: [RDD] Rivendell v2.4.0 and RDAdmin Update -- How does one do the RDAmin Update?

[Nathan Steele]

I had the same problem, it has nothing to do with the 2.4.0 update. 
Google mysql errno 24 and find out how to do a backup without lock 
tables from the command line. IF you give me some time I'll tell you the 
command that worked for me but I'll have to go find it in the history.


Wish it would work right from RDadmin though.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/29/2013 5:17 PM, ICR Programs wrote:

Thanks Wayne,

The issue that worries me is this: I am not able to back up the 
database.  I should be able to, shouldn't I?


(this was using the Backup Database button on RDAdmin) and trying it 
from command line (though I am not sure how to do that).


And, the system wasn't 'live' in the sense that I didn't have 
RDAirplay or any other Rivendell components running. I rebooted the 
system and then tried all this.


Any suggestions, please?

thanks!
Rene

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:36 PM, waynemerricks 
> wrote:


To update the schema you just need to run RDAdmin.  From memory not
much happens as far as the user is concerned (unless it dies in which
case you get an error message).  As for the mysqldump error it failed
because it couldn't lock the tables on a live system.  You can dump
without lock tables but data integrity is not guaranteed as changes
could have been made while the dump was running.

Basically, business as usual but an off putting error message that
makes you wonder.

Regards,

Wayne

On 2013-01-29 21:27, ICR Programs wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> Im sorry to basically post this same question again, but the thread
> it
> was in went in another direction and I didnt want to get my query
> "lost in the shuffle."
>
> What I did glean from the thread and a few other messages was that
> Apache may be at play here ... however, I dont know anything about
> Apache or how/why it was affect our system such that we were able to
> back up the Database before upgrading from 2.3.x to 2.4.0
>
> Also, Im NOT sure about whether this is relevant, and indeed it
was a
> problem that cropped up BEFORE this v2.4.0 update, but whenever one
> moves a file to the trash (logged in as user rd) it doesnt appear in
> the GUI in the Trash.  If one logs in via terminal, however, the
> deleted files are there and one can expunge them from the system.  I
> am guessing this is a permissions problem, but am mystified why it
> would have happened.
>
> Thanks to all!
> Rene
>
> Hello Fred and all,
>
> Thanks for your work on the updates and indeed, the Rivendell
System.
>
> I upgraded, but have what I hope is a slight problem.
>
> I used the Package Updater -- it had a notification up about the
> updates -- and it installed fine.
>
> I then opened RDAdmin, typed the user name "admin" and wasnt sure
> what
> to do next in order to update the database schema (which is now,
> according to System Info, Rivendell Version 2.4.0; Database schema
> 216).
>
> I did try to do a backup of the database, and that gave the error
> "Unable to create backup"
>
> I then went to Terminal, typed "rddamin" and got this:
>
> Terminal Output:
>
> [rd@icr-dj-desktop ~]$ rdadmin
>  mysqldump: Got error: 1016: Cant open file:
> ./Rivendell/Weekday_6_AM_CLK.frm (errno: 24) when using LOCK TABLES
>
>  What should I do now, please?
>
> Thanks,
>  Rene
>
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[RDD] amb-ux

[Nathan Steele]

Hello all,

So I have amb-ux configured and running and all of my ambos recievers 
files are showing up in /var/amb-ux. Can someone recommend to me the 
best way to go about getting them into the appropriate carts? RDCATCH or 
Dropbox? Previously I was using a dropbox, which had the files put into 
it from a windows systemk running the ambos ui. Ambos UI would rename 
the files and put them into a directory that was used by another 
automation system for our other station. then we used an ftp program to 
log into the rivendell server and put the ones we needed into the 
dropbox, which would import them and overwrite the previous days cut. 
Now we are adding more programs that will not be used by the other 
station and personally I would like to take the windows box in the 
middle out of the equation. The nice thing was that the ambos UI would 
handle sending the correct days program, now I am faced with the task of 
getting the correct program out of a folder with several days worth of 
them in it, I know it can be done, just have to get there. any 
suggestions the files are named like this:

"HCJB_BTC5_01_29_13_more numbers_maybe some version number_not sure"

Thanks!

-- 
Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

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Re: [RDD] updated to 2.3.0, lost ASI cards

[Nathan Steele]

well something broke it and rebooting into the previous kernel fixed it 
so.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/15/2013 9:54 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 00:36 42, Christopher Cmolik (RIT Student) wrote:
>
>> With our ASI cards we have always had to make sure to recompile the ASI 
>> kernel module for either hpklinux or the alsa snd_asihpi driver. Kernel 
>> modules are built using the current working kernel's source tree, so it's by 
>> default installed to the current kernel version kernel directory (i.e. 
>> /lib/modules/`uname -r`)
> This was one of the major factors driving our decision to base Broadcast 
> Appliance on CentOS.  The CentOS Upstream Distributor has developed a 
> technology that allows kernel updates to be performed (within certain 
> well-defined limits) *without* breaking binary compatibility with third-party 
> kernel drivers.  As a result, kernel updates on Broadcast Appliance do *not* 
> break the ASI (nor any other complying) driver.  You can find the technical 
> details at:
>
>   http://dup.et.redhat.com/presentations/DriverUpdateProgramTechnical.pdf
>
> Cheers!
>
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[RDD] possible bug in 2.3.0

[Nathan Steele]

Maybe I found a bug.

first my setup: Server with var/snd and mysql, 2 asi 6012 cards.
workstation with http xport and cae set to the server.

Problem:

In rdadmin>hosts, under the settings for rd panel and the new rd 
cartslots, onlythe first asi card can be selected on the workstation. 
under airplay i can select ports on the second card, and under all 
sections for the server I can select the second card, but for panel and 
cartslots on the workstation it acts as though there is only one ASI card.

not sure that this is a bug, maybe I've got something else buggered up. 
had it setup and working before the update, but imported a backup from 
the current production system and had to change some settings in 
rdadmin, and couldn't change those the way I wanted them.

I have 2 outputs and one input on each card and need them as follows: 
o/o all log machines from airplay, 0/1 rdpanel (airplay or standalone), 
rdcartslots, 1/0 preview for everything else (Wired only to monitor 
section of board, 1/1 not used at the moment.

thanks.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

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Re: [RDD] updated to 2.3.0, lost ASI cards

[Nathan Steele]

FWIW I figured out how to set grub to boot the previous kernel by default.

Thanks all.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/9/2013 12:30 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
> you should uncheck the other repositories in the add software menu to
> avoid it nagging you about "XX Updates availible" honestly if I were not
> using ASI cards I don't think I'd have any problems with the new kernel,
> though it's too soon to really say that for sure. my standard procedure
> in the past was to install from the appliance disk. do all updates,
> configure the system, test, turn off all repo's except paravel, and put
> into production.
>
> I was in the testing phase when rivendell 2.3.0 was released so decided
> to update, I noticed some other updates I thought I might want, and just
> did all the updates again, including the kernel update that broke the
> ASI driver.
>
> My current, production rivendell system has been running with no updates
> other than rivendell for about 2 years now
>
> Nathaniel C. Steele
> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
> WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
>
> On 1/9/2013 12:20 PM, tech...@bigradio.fm wrote:
>> So what is the best plan then for building a new system like Nathan, using 
>> the Broadcast Appliance CD?
>>
>> Once Rivendell has been installed, do not install all updates.
>>
>> Only update rivendell,  'yum install rivendell' at the command line?
>>
>> Will that properly update the system and not break anything else?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:01:08 -0500
>> Nathan Steele  wrote:
>>
>>>> Another idea you can do to prevent this is to not upgrade the
>>>> kernel, but update everything else that needs updating... if it
>>>> ain't broke on your hardware, don't fix it.
>>> totally agreed, and once a system is in production, it gets updates
>>> turned off. should have paid more attention to what I was updating,
>>> but I'm still relatively new to 'Nix so it's a good lesson in the
>>> ramifications of a kernel update.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kernel modules are built using the current working kernel's source
>>>> tree, so it's by default installed to the current kernel version
>>>> kernel directory (i.e. /lib/modules/`uname -r`)
>>> Greek to me...but I'll look into it. any advice would be apreciated
>>> though. It's currently working by booting into the previous kernel
>>> though, so no panic.
>>>
>>> Thanks all,
>>>
>>> Nathaniel C. Steele
>>> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
>>> WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
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Re: [RDD] updated to 2.3.0, lost ASI cards

[Nathan Steele]

you should uncheck the other repositories in the add software menu to 
avoid it nagging you about "XX Updates availible" honestly if I were not 
using ASI cards I don't think I'd have any problems with the new kernel, 
though it's too soon to really say that for sure. my standard procedure 
in the past was to install from the appliance disk. do all updates,  
configure the system, test, turn off all repo's except paravel, and put 
into production.

I was in the testing phase when rivendell 2.3.0 was released so decided 
to update, I noticed some other updates I thought I might want, and just 
did all the updates again, including the kernel update that broke the 
ASI driver.

My current, production rivendell system has been running with no updates 
other than rivendell for about 2 years now

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/9/2013 12:20 PM, tech...@bigradio.fm wrote:
> So what is the best plan then for building a new system like Nathan, using 
> the Broadcast Appliance CD?
>
> Once Rivendell has been installed, do not install all updates.
>
> Only update rivendell,  'yum install rivendell' at the command line?
>
> Will that properly update the system and not break anything else?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd
>
>
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:01:08 -0500
> Nathan Steele  wrote:
>
>>> Another idea you can do to prevent this is to not upgrade the
>>> kernel, but update everything else that needs updating... if it
>>> ain't broke on your hardware, don't fix it.
>> totally agreed, and once a system is in production, it gets updates
>> turned off. should have paid more attention to what I was updating,
>> but I'm still relatively new to 'Nix so it's a good lesson in the
>> ramifications of a kernel update.
>>
>>
>>> Kernel modules are built using the current working kernel's source
>>> tree, so it's by default installed to the current kernel version
>>> kernel directory (i.e. /lib/modules/`uname -r`)
>> Greek to me...but I'll look into it. any advice would be apreciated
>> though. It's currently working by booting into the previous kernel
>> though, so no panic.
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>> Nathaniel C. Steele
>> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
>> WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
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Re: [RDD] updated to 2.3.0, lost ASI cards

[Nathan Steele]

Another idea you can do to prevent this is to not upgrade the kernel, 
but update everything else that needs updating... if it ain't broke on 
your hardware, don't fix it.
totally agreed, and once a system is in production, it gets updates 
turned off. should have paid more attention to what I was updating, but 
I'm still relatively new to 'Nix so it's a good lesson in the 
ramifications of a kernel update.



Kernel modules are built using the current working kernel's source 
tree, so it's by default installed to the current kernel version 
kernel directory (i.e. /lib/modules/`uname -r`)
Greek to me...but I'll look into it. any advice would be apreciated 
though. It's currently working by booting into the previous kernel 
though, so no panic.


Thanks all,

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/9/2013 12:36 AM, Christopher Cmolik (RIT Student) wrote:
With our ASI cards we have always had to make sure to recompile the 
ASI kernel module for either hpklinux or the alsa snd_asihpi driver. 
Kernel modules are built using the current working kernel's source 
tree, so it's by default installed to the current kernel version 
kernel directory (i.e. /lib/modules/`uname -r`)


Another idea you can do to prevent this is to not upgrade the kernel, 
but update everything else that needs updating... if it ain't broke on 
your hardware, don't fix it.


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Wayne Merricks 
<mailto:waynemerri...@thevoiceasia.com>> wrote:


Hi,

The kernel module will probably have to be rebuilt/reinstalled for
the newer kernel.  I'm not sure if the tryphon repos have the ASI
stuff precompiled, if not you'll have to do it manually from
source.  I've not used any ASI cards so can't really help you
further but its a normal linux thing that happens.  Its the same
problem with the GPIO drivers and other things like the Virtual
Box kernel bits and bobs.

>From what I've read something called DKMS can be used to manage
kernel modules like this but that is the extent of my knowledge on
the subject.  Might be worth checking out either way.

Regards,

Wayne


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Subject: Re: [RDD] updated to 2.3.0, lost ASI cards

OK, the kernel update must have broke it, booting up in the next most
recent kernel version seems to have solved the problem.

I would like to know how to fix it on the current kernel, or how to
permantly make the system boot into the kernel version that works.

Of course I do not do updates after a system is in production (unless
needed) , but generally do all updates when building new system.

Thanks,

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/7/2013 5:15 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
> I just did the 2.3.0 update on a system I was going to press into
> service this week. I went ahead and did the other updates it
wanted to
> do in addition to the rivendell update. this is a Broadcast
appliance
> install with two ASI 6012 cards installed and working prior to the
> update. lspci still shows the cards, but the rivendell hpi
config says
> the drivers are not installed.
>
> I tried insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-194.26.1.el5/extra/asihpi.ko
and was
> returned the error "error inserting asihpi.ko : no such device"
(this
> was suggested when I was diagnosing a problem with these cards on a
> different system, which turned out to be a BIOS problem, but
figured I
> would go through the steps before asking for help again)
>
> I have tried rebooting, and just restarting rivendell, to no avail.
>
> any suggestions? can I roll back the updates? I can always start
over,
> this is not yet a production system, but was hoping to put it online
> this week. do you think the kernel update broke it?
>
> thanks
>

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Re: [RDD] updated to 2.3.0, lost ASI cards

[Nathan Steele]

OK, the kernel update must have broke it, booting up in the next most 
recent kernel version seems to have solved the problem.

I would like to know how to fix it on the current kernel, or how to 
permantly make the system boot into the kernel version that works.

Of course I do not do updates after a system is in production (unless 
needed) , but generally do all updates when building new system.

Thanks,

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 1/7/2013 5:15 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
> I just did the 2.3.0 update on a system I was going to press into
> service this week. I went ahead and did the other updates it wanted to
> do in addition to the rivendell update. this is a Broadcast appliance
> install with two ASI 6012 cards installed and working prior to the
> update. lspci still shows the cards, but the rivendell hpi config says
> the drivers are not installed.
>
> I tried insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-194.26.1.el5/extra/asihpi.ko and was
> returned the error "error inserting asihpi.ko : no such device" (this
> was suggested when I was diagnosing a problem with these cards on a
> different system, which turned out to be a BIOS problem, but figured I
> would go through the steps before asking for help again)
>
> I have tried rebooting, and just restarting rivendell, to no avail.
>
> any suggestions? can I roll back the updates? I can always start over,
> this is not yet a production system, but was hoping to put it online
> this week. do you think the kernel update broke it?
>
> thanks
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[RDD] updated to 2.3.0, lost ASI cards

[Nathan Steele]

I just did the 2.3.0 update on a system I was going to press into 
service this week. I went ahead and did the other updates it wanted to 
do in addition to the rivendell update. this is a Broadcast appliance 
install with two ASI 6012 cards installed and working prior to the 
update. lspci still shows the cards, but the rivendell hpi config says 
the drivers are not installed.

I tried insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-194.26.1.el5/extra/asihpi.ko and was 
returned the error "error inserting asihpi.ko : no such device" (this 
was suggested when I was diagnosing a problem with these cards on a 
different system, which turned out to be a BIOS problem, but figured I 
would go through the steps before asking for help again)

I have tried rebooting, and just restarting rivendell, to no avail.

any suggestions? can I roll back the updates? I can always start over, 
this is not yet a production system, but was hoping to put it online 
this week. do you think the kernel update broke it?

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[RDD] update to v 2.1.1

[Nathan Steele]

Hi all,

I'm not real comfortable with the whole installing from source thing, 
but I need to update a broadcast appliance to v 2.1.1, to match the 
versions of the rest of the system (Now is not the time for a system 
wide update). is there anywhere with an RPM or a way to get the package 
updater to find the older version, it only shows the newest version.
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Re: [RDD] Output port mashing [WAS: Automatic Mode Output Switching]

[Nathan Steele]

cant you disable the gpio triggers on a schedule? or did i dream that or 
confuse it with some other automation?


Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 12/12/2012 10:12 PM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

I think this is useful especially for certain modes/times of day.  My main 
issue is automation, a presenter lifts a fader and gpio triggers it to start 
then clicks to auto mode before running away to make tea/go home.  Once the 
song finishes in the current setup it switches to the second output (and 
consequently the second fader) which is not lifted/on so you get dead air.

I worked around this with two small patches to airplay/log_play.cpp/h which are 
working great.  Basically while in auto it only plays on the first output.  If 
I have the time I'll amend the code so that it will play on whatever is the 
active output (without cycling) rather than being restricted to the first one.

My head is full of postfix email servers at the moment so it might take a while.

Regards,

Wayne


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Subject: Re: [RDD] Output port mashing [WAS: Automatic Mode Output Switching]
  
On Dec 6, 2012, at 12:49 29, Nathan Steele wrote:



With our wide orbit system we have three "round robin" outputs that cycle in this way. we 
have a broadcast tools switcher that is wired in paralell with the three opputs going to the bt 
switcher and to three seperate inputs on the board. the switcher provides a summed output which is 
routed to a fourth board input and also to a bypass switch that bypasses the studio completely. 
using this the jocks can have full control of the three playing elements, or just use4 the 
"Auto" fader from the switcher, and when the shift ends they are to switch the studio to 
bypass. the BT switcher also Switches a satelite feed for the news at the top of the hour.

Why not do something like this, but in a more general way and within Rivendell?

We'll call this 'output port mashing'.  Envision something like this:  we have 
a system with an audio card that provides four outputs.  The way RD deals with 
this port-wise right now is to map an output port to a physical output on a 
one-to-one basis, like:

RD  H/W
0   -->  0
1   -->  1
2   -->  2
3   -->  3

Now, we introduce (virtually) an audio switcher/router between RD and the H/W.  
By default, we get the same one-to-one mapping we have now, but with the 
ability to change that mapping dynamically.  E.g. we can make RD port '0' also 
come out on H/W ports '2' and '3', while having RD ports '1', '2' and '3' all 
appear on H/W port '1'.  Architecturally, it's just a crosspoint router, so we 
control it with the usual 'ST', 'SA' and 'SR' RMLs and implement it as a 
standard Rivendell Switcher/GPIO device.  The only limitation is that mashing 
can be done only within outputs on the same card --e.g. an output on card '1' 
can't be made to appear on an output on card '0' (this is a consequence of the 
internal DSP architecture used within caed(8)).

Thoughts folks?

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Automatic Mode Output Switching

[Nathan Steele]

With our wide orbit system we have three "round robin" outputs that 
cycle in this way. we have a broadcast tools switcher that is wired in 
paralell with the three opputs going to the bt switcher and to three 
seperate inputs on the board. the switcher provides a summed output 
which is routed to a fourth board input and also to a bypass switch that 
bypasses the studio completely. using this the jocks can have full 
control of the three playing elements, or just use4 the "Auto" fader 
from the switcher, and when the shift ends they are to switch the studio 
to bypass. the BT switcher also Switches a satelite feed for the news at 
the top of the hour.


I realize this is probably not the answer you want, but it would work.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 12/5/2012 6:23 PM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

Automatic Mode Output Switching

Hi all,

Its probably my own stupidity but I'm wondering how best to handle the 
fact that in Automatic mode Rivendell cycles your sound card outputs.


Hopefully I can explain this better with an example.

I have 2 Faders set up with GPIO macros.  When Fader 1 is live, it 
triggers a play next on Output 1 (PN 1 1 1!).  Fader 2 = PN Output 2 
(PN 1 2 1!).


This is all well and good until you get towards the end of the 
broadcast day (or any section where you want automatic mode for any 
length of time).


As a presenter I finish off my link, "hope you enjoyed the show up 
next is the greatest song of all time for your enjoyment, Rebecca 
Black - Friday"


Then I lift Fader one and turn it on which triggers my play out on 
Fader one.


I finish it off by selecting Automatic and close the studio down to go 
home.


The excellent Rebecca Black finishes several bliss filled minutes 
later and The Firm Star Trekkin' automatically starts but Rivendell 
picks Output 2 to play this on which still has its fader down and off.


But the screams of "just turn the fader on when you leave you ignorant 
English luddite" causes problems when you have GPIO on fader starts.  
To get automation to work properly, I need to lift Fader 1 and hit on 
so that Rebecca Black starts (but leave it low level enough that 
nobody can hear it).  Select Automatic mode, then tell my awesome 
listener that I hope they enjoyed the show and that I'll leave them 
with The Firm Star Trekkin.


With that playing automatic mode will cut out the glorious vocal 
stylings of our lovely Rebecca and I can lift the fader to the normal 
0 db level ready for a night of automated play out.


So thats my long winded way of saying, is there a way of making 
automatic mode only use the first play out from the sound card?  Or is 
there a better macro to use than just PN? (I tried setting Airplay to 
only use sound card output 0 but that prevented my macro from forcing 
output 1, it just played on 0 each time).


Any info would be appreciated (but I get the impression I need to 
tweak the code),


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Re: [RDD] database backup failed.

[Nathan Steele]

What is the command generated through the GUI?

Also  this doesn't tell me what is broken or how to fix it. the gui used 
to work...

thanks.

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WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 11/19/2012 5:55 PM, Alessio Elmi wrote:
> Hi, try to append --single-transaction. You should be able to backup
> even if you don't have lock tables rights.
> Of course you have to do it by terminal, not by GUI.
>
> Alessio
>
> 2012/11/19 Nathan Steele :
>> running rdadmin from the terminal and trying to backup the database gave
>> this error:
>>
>> mysqldump: got error: 1016: Can't open file:
>> './Rivendell/Walk_This_Way_PRE.frm'
>>(errno: 24) when using LOCK TABLES
>>
>> Anyone know how to correct this, preferably without causing disruption
>> to playout
>>
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[RDD] database backup failed.

[Nathan Steele]

running rdadmin from the terminal and trying to backup the database gave 
this error:

mysqldump: got error: 1016: Can't open file: 
'./Rivendell/Walk_This_Way_PRE.frm'
  (errno: 24) when using LOCK TABLES

Anyone know how to correct this, preferably without causing disruption 
to playout

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[RDD] Broadcast appliance startup question

[Nathan Steele]

Why do my broadcast appliance boxes seem to hang forever at "starting 
Sendmail" it takes minutes to get past it and finish booting up...I 
don't reboot often, but just wondering, when seconds count, I'll be 
pulling my hair out waiting for it to boot

Do I need to configure something?

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Re: [RDD] OT: Rotter question

[Nathan Steele]

As always, the obvious eludes me

Does anyone use rdcatch in this way or has anyone tried it and why did 
you switch.

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On 11/9/2012 8:20 AM, Alan Peterson wrote:
> No one's mentioned it yet, so I may as well break the silence...
>
> Would there be anything wrong or improper in using RD Catch on a dedicated 
> logging/archiving machine instead? It's already been built for you (on the 
> appliance disk), works right out'a the box, and is designed to handle 
> multiple inputs.
>
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Re: [RDD] OT: Rotter question

[Nathan Steele]

That helps immensely,

Thank you,

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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On 11/8/2012 4:48 PM, Wayne Merricks wrote:

Hi,

You can run multiple rotters on different jack ports.  The standard set up is 
something like:

ROTFORMAT="mp3" #Encoding format
ROTBITRATE=192 #Bit rate
ROTCHANNELS=2 #2 = Stereo
JACKNAME="rotter1"
ROTDELETEHOURS=2400 #Delete audio after x hours (2400 = 100 days)
ROTBUFFER=10 #Rotter internal buffer, increase if you have problems
ROTDIRSTRUCTURE="dailydir" #Organisation format man rotter for more info
LEFTJACKINPUT="system:capture_1" #Left Channel for rotter to connect to in the 
format of client:port
RIGHTJACKINPUT="system:capture_2" #Right Channel for rotter
ROTAUDIODIR="/var/audio" #Directory to store audio

rotter -f $ROTFORMAT -b $ROTBITRATE -c $ROTCHANNELS -n $JACKNAME -d 
$ROTDELETEHOURS -R $ROTBUFFER -L $ROTDIRSTRUCTURE -v -l $LEFTJACKINPUT -r 
$RIGHTJACKINPUT $ROTAUDIODIR

Obviously if you're running two change JACKNAME, [L & R]JACKINPUT and 
ROTAUDIODIR.

Out of all the random software I've ever used rotter has been the only thing 
thats never crashed on me in over a year of use (liquidsoap is nearly at 
2months of uptime which is my next most reliable excluding riv of course).

Hope this helps,

Wayne

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Sent: Thu 08/11/2012 21:15
To: User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System
Subject: Re: [RDD] OT: Rotter question
  
Yeah, that could work.


The stations are stereo, but I only need mono for logging purposes. well
I guess I'll have to try.

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Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 11/8/2012 4:13 PM, Fernando Della Torre wrote:

If you need 2 mono stations, why don't you simply record it to a
single stereo stream? One station per channel.

I never tried, but I think you can run multiple instances of rotter in
the same jack server.



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2012/11/8 Nathan Steele mailto:nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com>>

 Can I run two instances of rotter at the same time connected to
 different inputs in jack?

 I haven't delved into jack at all either..

 Thanks for the input. I may just have to try it, but don't want it
 to be  total waste of time if someone knows it wont work. I'd
 really like to use one box for both stations.

 Nathaniel C. Steele
 Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
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 On 11/8/2012 2:18 PM, Robert Orr wrote:

 I'm not sure about two stations.
 Mono is easy use -c1
 Here's my statement (I think it just uses lame parameters man lame)

 rotter -a -f mp3 -d672 -j -b96 -L flat -c1 /var/archives
 Robert


 On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Nathan Steele
 mailto:nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com>> wrote:

 I know some of you use rotter to log your ouput so I was
 wondering if
 anyone knows if I have an audio card with multiple (stereo)
 inputs can I
 record the ouput of two stations simultaneously? Also does it
 support
 recording to a mono file to save drivespace? I can't seem to
 find much
 info on it, other than it uses jack to connect.

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Re: [RDD] OT: Rotter question

[Nathan Steele]

Yeah, that could work.

The stations are stereo, but I only need mono for logging purposes. well 
I guess I'll have to try.


Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 11/8/2012 4:13 PM, Fernando Della Torre wrote:
If you need 2 mono stations, why don't you simply record it to a 
single stereo stream? One station per channel.


I never tried, but I think you can run multiple instances of rotter in 
the same jack server.




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2012/11/8 Nathan Steele <mailto:nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com>>


Can I run two instances of rotter at the same time connected to
different inputs in jack?

I haven't delved into jack at all either..

Thanks for the input. I may just have to try it, but don't want it
to be  total waste of time if someone knows it wont work. I'd
really like to use one box for both stations.

Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 11/8/2012 2:18 PM, Robert Orr wrote:

I'm not sure about two stations.
Mono is easy use -c1
Here's my statement (I think it just uses lame parameters man lame)

rotter -a -f mp3 -d672 -j -b96 -L flat -c1 /var/archives
Robert


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Nathan Steele
mailto:nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com>> wrote:

I know some of you use rotter to log your ouput so I was
wondering if
anyone knows if I have an audio card with multiple (stereo)
inputs can I
record the ouput of two stations simultaneously? Also does it
support
recording to a mono file to save drivespace? I can't seem to
find much
info on it, other than it uses jack to connect.

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Re: [RDD] OT: Rotter question

[Nathan Steele]

Can I run two instances of rotter at the same time connected to 
different inputs in jack?


I haven't delved into jack at all either..

Thanks for the input. I may just have to try it, but don't want it to 
be  total waste of time if someone knows it wont work. I'd really like 
to use one box for both stations.


Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 11/8/2012 2:18 PM, Robert Orr wrote:

I'm not sure about two stations.
Mono is easy use -c1
Here's my statement (I think it just uses lame parameters man lame)

rotter -a -f mp3 -d672 -j -b96 -L flat -c1 /var/archives
Robert


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Nathan Steele 
mailto:nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com>> 
wrote:


I know some of you use rotter to log your ouput so I was wondering if
anyone knows if I have an audio card with multiple (stereo) inputs
can I
record the ouput of two stations simultaneously? Also does it support
recording to a mono file to save drivespace? I can't seem to find much
info on it, other than it uses jack to connect.

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[RDD] OT: Rotter question

[Nathan Steele]

I know some of you use rotter to log your ouput so I was wondering if 
anyone knows if I have an audio card with multiple (stereo) inputs can I 
record the ouput of two stations simultaneously? Also does it support 
recording to a mono file to save drivespace? I can't seem to find much 
info on it, other than it uses jack to connect.

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Re: [RDD] M-Audio Delta 44 and Rivendell

[Nathan Steele]

Rivendell broadcast appliance is CENTOS 5.5 I believe.

Nathaniel C. Steele
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On 10/18/2012 8:17 PM, Stan Fotinos wrote:
> Hi Nathan
>
> Is this using Centos 5?
>
> Thanks
>
> Stan
> On 18/10/12 9:21 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
>> Been using a delta 101 rack on mine for nearly 2 years, no problems,
>> also used a 44 in a production machine until we got an ASI card.
>>
>> Nathaniel C. Steele
>> Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
>> WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM
>>
>> On 10/17/2012 11:16 PM, Stan Fotinos wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Has any got a Delta 44/66/1010 soundcard working with the Rivendell
>>> Centos 5 Appliance disc?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Stan
>>>
>>> On 18/10/12 6:32 AM, ltynd...@tyndaleweb.com wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Give amixer a try.  I'm not sure if it is installed by default on
>>>> centos, however it works as a command line mixer utility.
>>>>
>>>> >From a command prompt, for example you can use:
>>>>
>>>> amixer -c 0 scontrols
>>>>
>>>> and it will print out a list of the controls (change the 0 for whatever
>>>> sound card you want to control if you  have multiple sound cards)
>>>>
>>>> It should list all the options that you can control.
>>>>
>>>> Then figure out which item you want to control from the list, and to
>>>> set
>>>> it.  For example, to set the master output on my sound card at 80%
>>>> volume, I use:
>>>>
>>>> amixer -c 0 sset 'Master' 80%
>>>>
>>>> If you have a copy of alsamixer you should see its screen update to the
>>>> new setting, that way you can check if you've figured out the correct
>>>> command.
>>>>
>>>> amixer --help
>>>>
>>>> will give you more information
>>>>
>>>> also
>>>>
>>>> man amixer
>>>>
>>>> gives even more info.
>>>>
>>>> Its a great command-line tool and can be easily scripted.
>>>>
>>>> Lorne Tyndale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Running CentOS 6.3 and I have disabled the onboard audio in BIOS so
>>>>> the
>>>>> only sound card reported is the M-Audio, and Rivendell defaults to it
>>>>> now, it just starts with the output level at -? so i have to go and
>>>>> turn
>>>>> the volume up everytime it would reboot. I want to get this ready for
>>>>> the on air guys to be able to just watch it run since I might be
>>>>> moving
>>>>> to a different station and won't be able to babysit it like i have for
>>>>> the last year
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