CS>Re:concentrace

[Annhope1]

<<> The most comprehensive and also, fortunately, economical mineral 
> supplement on the market is a liquid mineral supplement called Concentrace, 
> by Trace Minerals Research, out of Utah. I recommend it to all my clients>>

Terry,
Would mixing Celtic Sea salt in your water be the same as this product? 
Thanks
Terri

RE: CS>ccsilver.com

[Quietcove]

They have been fast and reliable for me.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Maltzman [mailto:pbmaltz...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 1:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>ccsilver.com


Thank you.  I was wondering if other people found them
good to deal with.  That is where I just ordered some
12-gauge round wire a couple of hours ago.  I am now
awaiting an e-mail confirmation of the order, so that
I can send off a money order.  Their prices on silver
wire sound good.  Their prices on regular silver
rectangles and rounds sound a little higher than local
coin shops.


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CS>ccsilver.com

[Pamela Maltzman]

Thank you.  I was wondering if other people found them
good to deal with.  That is where I just ordered some
12-gauge round wire a couple of hours ago.  I am now
awaiting an e-mail confirmation of the order, so that
I can send off a money order.  Their prices on silver
wire sound good.  Their prices on regular silver
rectangles and rounds sound a little higher than local
coin shops.


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CS>Dead batteries

[Terry Chamberlin]

I still don't understand why anyone would use
batteries (except for portability) that get weak and
run down when one or even several DC adapters
daisy-chained together will give you constant power
and never run down. Also, the long initial brew time
that takes up 1/3 to 1/2 of the brewing time can be
eliminated if you just add about 1/4 CS to your DW (2
oz CS + 6 oz DW to make 8 oz., or 8 oz CS + 24 oz DW
to make one quart). In my case, it's one quart CS + 3
quarts DW to make one gallon CS. Since you're making
CS, adding Cs as a "starter" cannot harm anything in
the least, but it certainly shortens the brewing time.

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CS>silver wire source

[Terry Chamberlin]

I get my wire from here. Call and ask prices. Ask for
Tom Peterson (owner).

800-262-5367 or 800-942-4224

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CS>Re: Igor's Pipette (#1044)

[jrowland]

Igor writes

> Hello List, - I am new to your group and pleased that I find you.
> Let me introduce myself.
> I am taking CS 15 PPM for 4 years 2 full pipettes twice a day.
> I feel good.
> If you think that there is a better way to use it, please, tell me.
>
> Thanks for your attention,
> IK
>
>
What size pipette are you using, Igor?
jr



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CS>Silver wire prices

[Pamela Maltzman]

Hi, all:

I checked out the URLs I already had for silver wire,
.999 or ..  I checked out utopiasilver.com, which
has 14-gauge wire for $10.00 per foot.

I finally decided to order from ccsilver.com.  Their
per-ounce prices for silver bullion are a little high,
but their prices for silver wire seem quite good.

For . wire, 

12-gauge wire was $4.95 per foot
14-gauge wire was $2.95 per foot

They have a $20.00 minimum order, plus about $6.00 for
shipping.  They're in Phoenix, AZ.

I ended up ordering 6 feet of the 12-gauge round wire
at $4.95 per foot; came to about $35 plus some change.
 Seemed reasonable to me.  



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CS>Re: silver in food

[Reid Harvey]

Thelma,
Here's an experiment to try:  take one of the leaves of silver, with its
paper backing, and weigh this. Then take the silver off the paper
backing, this time weighing the paper only.  Unless you have a scale
that measures in some of the very smallest units you'll get the same
weight both times, for the fact is that the thickness of silver leaf is
perhaps 20 atoms, so thin as to be measureable in the nanometer range,
very little material present. (Note that gold is a little more maleable
so may be about 10 atoms thick.)

For leaf metal this thin the big surface area one is seeing is
decepetive, with respect to the amount of material that is actually
present. Another interesting experiment is to put a little square of the
silver (or gold) leaf on ones' hand, then rub with a finger. It's
interesting to see that it actually disappears, going right into the
pores of the skin.
Reid, just over in Bangladesh, also enjoying silver leafed barfi.




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Re: CS>Sources of silver wire

[Robert L. Cousins]

Pam, try ebay. I got some there.
- Original Message - 
From: "Pamela Maltzman" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 5:16 PM
Subject: CS>Sources of silver wire


> I want to thank you all again for the information
> which you have posted in response to my questions.
> 
> I was up in downtown L.A. today, at A&A Findings and
> Tools (jewelry supply house).  I got some .999 fine
> silver bezel wire... kind of flat.  I think it should
> work.  They did not have any round pure silver wire,
> nor did the other places I visited on my way back to
> the car.
> 
> They, however, were rather rude and did not want to
> answer my newbie questions.  They really only wanted
> to deal with their regular customers... jewelers who
> were probably making bigger purchases and not asking
> questions. 
> 
> I had called David H. Fell Company; on the phone they
> said that they had no pure silver wire in stock right
> now.  BTW, they are only a few blocks from where I was
> today (in the downtown L.A. jewelry district), but I
> did not go in, as I had forgotten to take the address
> with me.  Also, by the time I got done with A&A, I was
> ready to just get the hell out of there.
> 
> I think I will use what I bought for the time being,
> and then order off the Internet.  Merchants who are
> rude to my face don't get a return visit from me.
> 
> I would ask that people post their favorite
> sources for fine silver wire/rods for the electrodes. 
> I'd much appreciate it.  I think that from now on,
> dealing with an Internet merchant will be much more
> pleasant than what I went through today.
> 
> The east side of downtown L.A. is dirty and noisy, not
> to mention rude and crowded.  I used to work not far
> from that area, but I found one more reason to be glad
> I'm working from home, even if I am doing medical
> transcription for allopathic (shudder) doctors.
> 
> 
> 
> Pam
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Re: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

[Teri323]

In a message dated 11/2/2001 12:56:22 PM Atlantic Standard Time, 
roesil...@aol.com writes:


> 
> Hi: 
> 
> A drop or two in each eye, 2-3 times per day will produce good results, 
> however if there is cellulitis in a lot of the tissue around the eye into 
> the cheek, then she may need antibiotics.  From experience, most pink eye 
> is responsive to CS. 
> 
> 

what is cellulitis?

RE: CS>Hello List/ Pipette-/ & (drinking amounts)

[I Anderson]

Hey Mike,
don't bust your bushels or trip over your cubits, it was only my two shekels
worth.

Nice to see you 'come out' though!

Ivan.

> -Original Message-
> From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
> Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 11:21 p.m.
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Hello List/ Pipette-/ & (drinking amounts)
>
>
> > A litre (notice the spelling?) is what one day the US will recognise
> > as the standard unit of liquid measurement, and hence join
> the rest of
> > the world ;-)
>
> Oh N! METRIC WARS!
>
> 
>
> I'm bi-unital my self.
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Sources of silver wire

[Kehoe]

This is the best place I have found for silver wire

http://www.ccsilver.com/silver/fines.html#four


CK
- Original Message - 
From: "Pamela Maltzman" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: CS>Sources of silver wire


| I want to thank you all again for the information
| which you have posted in response to my questions.
| 
| I was up in downtown L.A. today, at A&A Findings and
| Tools (jewelry supply house).  I got some .999 fine
| silver bezel wire... kind of flat.  I think it should
| work.  They did not have any round pure silver wire,
| nor did the other places I visited on my way back to
| the car.
| 
| They, however, were rather rude and did not want to
| answer my newbie questions.  They really only wanted
| to deal with their regular customers... jewelers who
| were probably making bigger purchases and not asking
| questions. 
| 
| I had called David H. Fell Company; on the phone they
| said that they had no pure silver wire in stock right
| now.  BTW, they are only a few blocks from where I was
| today (in the downtown L.A. jewelry district), but I
| did not go in, as I had forgotten to take the address
| with me.  Also, by the time I got done with A&A, I was
| ready to just get the hell out of there.
| 
| I think I will use what I bought for the time being,
| and then order off the Internet.  Merchants who are
| rude to my face don't get a return visit from me.
| 
| I would ask that people post their favorite
| sources for fine silver wire/rods for the electrodes. 
| I'd much appreciate it.  I think that from now on,
| dealing with an Internet merchant will be much more
| pleasant than what I went through today.
| 
| The east side of downtown L.A. is dirty and noisy, not
| to mention rude and crowded.  I used to work not far
| from that area, but I found one more reason to be glad
| I'm working from home, even if I am doing medical
| transcription for allopathic (shudder) doctors.
| 
| 
| 
| Pam
| 
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CS>Sources of silver wire

[Pamela Maltzman]

I want to thank you all again for the information
which you have posted in response to my questions.

I was up in downtown L.A. today, at A&A Findings and
Tools (jewelry supply house).  I got some .999 fine
silver bezel wire... kind of flat.  I think it should
work.  They did not have any round pure silver wire,
nor did the other places I visited on my way back to
the car.

They, however, were rather rude and did not want to
answer my newbie questions.  They really only wanted
to deal with their regular customers... jewelers who
were probably making bigger purchases and not asking
questions. 

I had called David H. Fell Company; on the phone they
said that they had no pure silver wire in stock right
now.  BTW, they are only a few blocks from where I was
today (in the downtown L.A. jewelry district), but I
did not go in, as I had forgotten to take the address
with me.  Also, by the time I got done with A&A, I was
ready to just get the hell out of there.

I think I will use what I bought for the time being,
and then order off the Internet.  Merchants who are
rude to my face don't get a return visit from me.

I would ask that people post their favorite
sources for fine silver wire/rods for the electrodes. 
I'd much appreciate it.  I think that from now on,
dealing with an Internet merchant will be much more
pleasant than what I went through today.

The east side of downtown L.A. is dirty and noisy, not
to mention rude and crowded.  I used to work not far
from that area, but I found one more reason to be glad
I'm working from home, even if I am doing medical
transcription for allopathic (shudder) doctors.



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Re: CS>CS & renal failure

[Robert Bartell]

Well said Terry!  Obviously, I agree!  Robert Bartell

- Original Message - 
From: "Terry Chamberlin" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: CS>CS & renal failure


> Bill Briggs was quoted as saying:
> "[concerning]...CS and the dangers of renal failure.
> Said it might take as long as 20 years or more, but it
> would happen."
> 
> I am not impressed by anyone's qualifications, or
> letters by their name, nor am I unimpressed by a lack
> of them. Academic accomplishment nowadays has little
> or nothing to do with one's knowledge about a subject.
> I even find that it can interfere with clear,
> objective thinking.
> 
> Anytime someone makes flat statements like that ("it
> WILL happen"), I want to know where he got the
> information, how he can demonstrate the validity of
> his statement, and why I should believe him. He may
> very well be right, but his authoritatively-spoken
> word is not enough. I especially have trouble with the
> idea that he is sure that it will happen years down
> the road. The only way to come to that kind of
> conclusion is either to have watched it happen for 20
> years (as has been done in the case of tobacco), or by
> logical deduction. Although I am not much impressed by
> the accuracy of logical deduction when it comes to the
> human metabolism, I am willing to hear the reasoning
> that convinced him.
> 
> At this point, Bill Briggs' statements occupy a level
> of credibility in my own mind on par with Andrew
> Weil's, which isn't much. 
> 
> But I would be interested in seeing his reasoning.
> 
> Terry Chamberlin
> Metabolic Solutions Institute
> RR1  314 Carleton Rd
> Lawrencetown, NS B0S 1M0
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> 413-826-7641 fax service
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CS>Re: DMSO for back pain

[Karl Kristianson]

>I have DMSO gel at 99.5% .  I want to use it topically for back
pain.  Does
anyone know to what ratio I should mix it with Aloe Gel.  I do
not want it
to irritate the skin. Thanks, CK

Hello!

I use a mixture of 1 part 90% DMSO liquid, 1 part 35% Food Grade
Hydrogen Peroxide (available at health food stores), and 4 parts
Aloe Vera Gel (NOT the green stuff, the natural clear stuff
without all the additives. Check the label for ingredients).

This solution is a bit on the stong side, but effective. If it's
too stong for you, just cut it with more Aloe to suit. Try just a
little at first! The face is particuarly sensitive, so try a
little on, say, your hands first, then a little dab on where you
actually want to apply it.

If you want just DMSO in it, and not the Hydrogen Peroxide,
between 10% to 30% Aloe in the mixture should do the trick for
most people. The Hydrogen Peroxide will help the back pain more,
though, than DMSO alone.

The amount that you can apply to an area, is also stongly
dependent on how many applications a day you put on the area. A
little trial and error should let you know what's right for you.

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Re: CS>1st of 2 articles on Cipro

[Robert Bartell]

- Original Message - 
From: "Judith Thamm" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:12 PM
Subject: CS>1st of 2 articles on Cipro


> If you have had these already - I shall crawl humbly into my corner and
> hide - tempoarily...
> 
> Judith.
> 
> CIPRO is Worse Than Anthrax
> Serious Side-Effects From CIPRO
> Anthrax-like Symptoms from CIPRO
> Garlic is Better Than CIPRO
> 
> 
> Article from
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi8.html
> 
> 
> America Is Losing Its Other Germ War
> 
> America Loses 14,000 Lives A Year In Its Other Germ War;
> 
> Over-Use Of Antibiotics Like Cipro May Induce Plagues;
> 
> Natural Antibiotics May Rescue Mankind
> 
> by Bill Sardi
> 
> Special addendum: side effects of CIPRO-like drugs may be
> worse than Anthrax; CIPRO should not be used by rescue,
> police or military personnel, nor be approved for nation's
> antibiotic stockpile.
> 
> America is losing its other germ war and thousands more
> lives are needlessly being lost than from the recent
> anthrax threat.
> 
> The public has been gripped by the threat of anthrax in the
> past week, and has become familiar with CIPRO
> (ciprofloxacin-Bayer), the antibiotic that has been widely
> described as the preferred drug to treat inhalation
> anthrax.
> 
> At the same time, Americans have been distracted from
> America's other germ war -- the over-use of prescription
> antibiotics like CIPRO which will only hasten the early
> demise of millions of humans worldwide as more germs mutate
> and become resistant to these drugs, permitting bugs like
> E. coli, Enterococci, Staphylococcus, Helicobacteri pylori,
> and yes even anthrax, to escape treatment and increase
> morbidity and mortality. The ongoing germ war Americans
> face is not administered by a terrorist but is of one their
> own doing.
> 
> A news story that has been overshadowed by the American
> anthrax scare is that FDA and University of Maryland
> researchers found 20% of meat samples obtained from
> supermarkets were contaminated with drug-resistant
> salmonella, a germ that is responsible for 1.4 million
> cases of food poisoning annually. Among the samples of
> ground beef, chicken turkey and pork, 84% of the salmonella
> was found to be resistant to one drug and 53% to three or
> more antibiotics.1
> 
> Worldwide, many strains of Staph aureus, another pathogenic
> bacterium, are resistant to all antibiotics except
> Vancomycin, which is considered the antibiotic of last
> resort. Strains of germs like Enterococcus faecalis,
> Mycobacterium tuberculosis and Pseudomonas aeruginosa
> already defy a stockpile of more than 100 antibiotic drugs.
> 
> The FDA is rapidly making plans to reduce the use of
> antibiotics in animals, particularly because the drug-
> resistance in these animals can be transferred to humans.
> Over 40% of the antibiotics produced annually (about 20
> million pounds) are used in animals.
> 
> In an attempt to head off the growing drug-resistance
> problem, the American Medical Association has urged its
> members not to prescribe CIPRO to patients who are merely
> worried about anthrax exposure and has warned physicians to
> reduce their rate of prescriptions for antibiotics overall.
> Some experts estimate half of the antibiotics taken in the
> US are unnecessary.
> 
> Most commercial antibiotics have been molecularly altered
> in the laboratory to obtain a patent and to improve
> potency. The man-made molecules are what induce germs to
> mutate and become resistant to their killing properties.2
> Drug companies have responded to the resistance problem "by
> producing newer antibiotics," most which are just
> variations or combinations of old drugs.3 The FDA says it
> is doing all it can to speed up development and
> availability of new antibiotic drugs.4 For example, in
> September of 1999 the FDA announced the "approval of a long-
> needed new weapon against the growing threat of drug-
> resistant bacteria: Synercid, the first alternative in 30
> years to the antibiotic (vancomycin) of last resort."
> Synercid (Rhone-Poulenc Rorer) is the first in a new class
> of antibiotics called streptogamins, but the FDA admitted
> it only has a 52% effectiveness rating in fighting off drug-
> resistant strains of enterococcal infections and it was
> accompanied by side effects such as rash, vomiting,
> diarrhea and joint pain.5
> 
> But the FDA makes no mention of natural, non-patentable
> antibiotics which do not induce resistance, some which
> exhibit a 100% kill factor for anthrax and a wide range of
> other germs. There are no financial incentives for makers
> of antibiotic foods like garlic, or supplements like oil of
> oregano, to undergo expensive and time-consuming clinical
> trials so they can make a label claim as an antibiotic.
> This gives drug manufacturers complete reign over the
> prescription antibiotic drug market. Most Americans are so
> ill informed on this issue that they just can't believe
> natural antibiotics are more potent t

CS>Re: Hello List/ Pipette-/ & (drinking amounts)

[Reid Harvey]

Ivan,
I've been accused of being tongue in cheeky in the past, but my
impression is that the spelling 'litre' is the way the rest of the world
spells it. I wonder if folks in the U.S. spell it the wrong way (i.e.
'liter') because they don't recognize it to begin with.  Also, when and
if the U.S. ever does decide to recognize the liter as the standard,
they would not be 'joining the rest of the world.'  I would like you to
know that pints, quarts, inches, feet, the whole nine yards, are also
the standard units of Liberia and Myanmar.
Reid
P.S. Oh come on Ivan, you wouldn't make us yanks say 'whole nine
meters?'
P.P.S. By the way, Black , I believe the litre is
actually a unit of volume, that is one cubic decimeter, i.e. 10 cms.
cubed.  My impression is that by contrast the quart is a unit of weight,
originating from the pint, so the old saw, 'a pint's a pound the world
round.' But alas controversy surrounds this axiom as well. It seems the
ditty is only true if one is a traveling American. The one-time British
pint is not the same as the present-day American pint. R.
P.P.P.S. Mike: I suppose every one of use has to choose our wars. Sorry.

"I Anderson"  said:
A litre (notice the spelling?) is what one day the US will recognise as
the
standard unit of liquid measurement, and hence join the rest of the
world
;-)

Ivan.

> -Original Message-
> From: Black [mailto:dbl...@cfl.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 1:14 p.m.
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Hello List/ Pipette-/ & (drinking amounts)
>
> What is a liter?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Arthur Rambo 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Hello List/ Pipette-/ & (drinking amounts)
>
>
> > Hello Igor, what is a pipette? I have drank approx. one
> liter per day
> > for several months, and had benefits as well



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Re: CS>OT list...Problems!!

[CKing001]

>From other lists, many have real problems with yahoo that are all but 
>impossible
to resolve. You are right to seek other avenues. Life's too short.

Chuck
Somewhere, just out of sight, the unicorns are gathering !

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:19:55 -0800, "Joanne"  wrote:

> I have written to Yahoo regarding that problem earlier this week and they 
> have not responded. We did get two new members though so that does not make a 
> lot of sense.  I sent a test  message to the list and it never came through.


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CS>Jan & Robb's arthritis

[Terry Chamberlin]

If you only have 200 mg of MSM in each tablet/capsule,
you should shop around. The MSM I buy is always 1,000
mg per capsule (not tablet, tablets don't always
disolve well). Or you can order MSM thru the internet
in bulk, quite inexpensive.

One of my clients had polio as a child, worked thru
it, was able to run, swim, bike, etc. Now she's 36,
raising 3 kids by herself, starts to feel the familiar
pain. Doctor tells her she has post-polio syndrome.
Says the polio damaged her nerves as child, shortened
their life, she will be in a wheelchair again within 2
years.

I have her take 2,000 mg per meal (2 caps per meal, 6
caps/6,000 mg/day). In one month she calls me to say
90% of pain is gone. Another month, all pain is gone.

Dr. Carey Reams said that the primary dynamic behind
arthritis is demineralization. When my body doesn't
get the minerals it needs from my diet, it steals them
from itself. Arthritis essentially is the body
digesting itself.

MSM is a key component of each cell in our body, so
that is why to take thrapeutically large doses of it.

The most comprehensive and also, fortunately,
economical mineral supplement on the market is a
liquid mineral supplement called Concentrace, by Trace
Minerals Research, out of Utah. I recommend it to all
my clients. It is not sold multi-level, so that is why
it is economical. Recommended dosage is 1/4 tspn,
2xday. Has every mineral known to man in it. My
clients tell me they usually feel a difference by the
next day. 

If you can't find it at the HF store, I can send it to
you, but try the HF stores first.

Terry Chamberlin
Metabolic Solutions Institute
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Lawrencetown, NS B0S 1M0
902-584-3810 voice
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RE: CS>Problems with homemade CS generator

[I Anderson]

> -Original Message-
> From: jakc...@earthlink.net [mailto:jakc...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2001 12:14 p.m.
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Problems with homemade CS generator
>
>I did use different distilled water this
> time - this is the only thing that I have changed.  I tried
> to use DW from Walmart - No sodium.  The DW I used three
> months was another brand of DW no sodium.  Any suggestions of
> what might be wrong?  Thanks.

Dear K Mitchell,

The quote above solves the riddle I think. This distilled water you used
would seem to be of much better quality than the last. As there is much less
impurity the conductivity of the water is much lower, and the generating
process will begin at a snails pace...and it is likely that you will see no
reaction for some time. Be a little more patient, and I believe you will
notice the darkening of the positive electrode (anode) to begin with, and
not long after that things will pick up quite speedily.

Ivan


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CS>Problems with homemade CS generator

[jakc...@earthlink.net]

I have used, with good effect, a homemade CS generator - the one with 4 each 9 
volt batteries, 2 lead wires and alligator clip ends.  I have used this 
generator several times and have made a low ppm solution with good effect.  
This was about 3 months ago.   The other day, I was going to make more CS.  
There was no reaction at all (bubbles or oxidation).  Okay, I said, maybe the 
batteries are weak - so I bought new ones, tried it again, same thing, no 
reaction at all.  Should 9 volt batteries get weak and die that quick after 
approximately 40 minutes of continuous useage?   I checked my clip and lead 
wire connections - even made new lead wires, tried it again, nothing.  I even 
went to my local electrician and he tested the lead cap ends and alligator 
clips and found they were not faulty and that there should have been plenty of 
conductivity.  My silver rods are very clean, everything has been checked - 
so...just wondering if is it possible that the batteries I used 3 months ago a 
couple of times (new Radio Shack batteries) for 20 minutes at a time could be 
already dead - also, the brand new batteries that I bought today and used to no 
avail, could they be bad too???  I did use different distilled water this time 
- this is the only thing that I have changed.  I tried to use DW from Walmart - 
No sodium.  The DW I used three months was another brand of DW no sodium.  Any 
suggestions of what might be wrong?  Thanks.
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RE: CS>Hello List/ Pipette-/ & (drinking amounts)

[Arthur Rambo]

Litre? That does it; start the revolushun!

  BTW, the Canadian roofing shingle industry made a mess when they
introduced metric sized shingles in the U.S. in the late 70's, early
80's.
  Roofs that normally would be re-roofed (new shingles installed over
old) had to be completely removed to accomodate the American standard
type,   costing an approx. average 30% increase. 
(but) Maybe that's not such a bad thing.  
   


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Re: CS>Arthritis summary

[Dick Tanguay]

Another suggestion is 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide.  I use to have lower
back pain and now I don't.  I have to believe it was the H2O2.  Try looking
at www.oxytherapy.com for more info and instructions.

Dick

- Original Message -
From: "Jan Carew" 
To: "silver list post" 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:42 AM
Subject: CS>Arthritis summary


>   Hi all,
>
>  The pleas from Robb and I for advice on our arthritis has generated a
>  huge response from you good folk for which I'm truly grateful
>
>  I have copied the messages into my "archives" and produced this
>  summary
>
>  Pl I would the contributors check to spot any errors/ omissions, and,
most
> important,
>  sugggest frequency and amount of doses for those items marked*.
>
>
>
> At the moment I'm on CS 25mls 3xdaily,  v expensive Proflex (3 caps daily
> each containing 400mg  glucosamine HCl,  100mg chondroitin sulphate and
> 200mg MSM)
> the anti inflammatory Oruvail, and 10 glasses of water/day. (not enough to
> counterract all the cups of tea!) I just occasionally get mobile, pain
free
> periods (bliss)  I've not won yet but so many lines of attack - shall work
> my way thro'!  I'm determined not to spend the rest of my life painfully
> hobbling around!
>
> How are you doing Robb?
>
>  I'm so glad I joined the list.
>
>  Jan
>
>
>  SUGGESTED ARTHRITIS REMEDIES
>
>  1. Colloidal silver*
>
>  2. MSM  - 5g/day or 10g/day (seems a helluva lot when each pill has only
> 200mg)
>
>  3. DMSO applied topically
>
>  4. Collastin*
>
>  5. Glucosamine HCl  +  chondroitin sulphate*
>
>  6. Omega 3*
>
>  7. Cider Apple Vinegar - 2t in water on rising, then 2t CAV + 2t
>   molasses + 1t > honey in water, drunk with each meal.
>
>  8. B12 -1000mcg injected daily for 3 days,
>   1000mcg every 48 hrs for 8 days,
>   1000mcg every 5 days. (for how long?)
>
>  9. WATER - many glasses per day!
>  Divide weight in lbs by 2, then by 8 - this is number of
>  ounces/day. An average glass holds 8ozs so divide by 8 to see how
>  many actual  glassfuls should be imbibed per day. Each cup of
>  coffee/tea or glass of alcohol/squash should be counterbalanced by
>  an extra glass of water.  (I'll be awash!)
>
> 10.Drink goat's milk not cow's milk - preferably form your own goat
>   which is allowed to graze on wild vegetation.
>
>  11.Don't eat any of the Solanaceae family (nightshades) - eg spuds or
>toms.
>
>  12.Restrict carbohydrates in the diet.
>
>  13.Strap magnets onto the afflicted joints.
>
>  14.Take molybdenum supplement*.
>
> >
> >
> >
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
>
>
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Re: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

[Marylynn Schmidt]

I have and I do .. BUT .. because I make it myself I really do not have any 
information on the strength.


Mary Lynn Schmidt
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From: "David Haley" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:46:47 -0600

Does anyone know if you can put CS directly into the eye?  My next door 
neighbors 3 year old daughter appears to either have pink eye or possibly a 
regular eye infection.  She scraped her eyelid with a briar branch a few 
days ago but said it didn't get in her eye. My friend has been treating 
with Echinacea/Goldenseal tea in the eye and it seems to be improving but 
she would like to know if CS would work too?  Thanks...Deanna



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CS>OT list...Problems!!

[Joanne]

Hello List Friends

Since many  of you are on both lists I am using the CS list to pass on some 
information.  I hope you don't mind, Mike.  Apparently Yahoo determined the OT 
list is 'invalid."  I have no idea why.  I have written to them twice and have 
received no response.  At least two of our members have been unsubscribed.  One 
today and one earlier in the week  I have written to Yahoo regarding that 
problem earlier this week and they have not responded. We did get two new 
members though so that does not make a lot of sense.  I sent a test  message to 
the list and it never came through.


I find it very difficult to deal with persons who refuse to discuss whatever 
problem there is.  I have searched through all the group info. and apparently 
Yahoo has the right to do this, and they do not have to notify you if they do.  
I am new at this, and perhaps I was negligent in some way.  If so, I apologize.

I am searching for a new home for us.  I have contacted Topica.   This being 
Friday I do not expect to hear from them until next week.  Apparently I can 
give them the information they need, and they will do the switching for us.  I 
really wanted to make contact with Topica first  before I switched.  They are 
headquartered in SF which makes them practically local.  I feel like since I am 
in the Bay Area 3 or 4 times a year I could go bang on their door if 
necessary..:-)

Meanwhile there may be some other problems that need looking at while we are 
waiting for our new home.  The list seems to have slowed to a snail's pace, 
even "Christmas Trees and Goats" did not make it there.

  There have been a number of posts that are just forwarded messages from 
someone else and most of them are very political.  The list was set up as a 
"discussion" list where most all topics can be addressed.  However, it is 
difficult to respond to a third party post.  It would be better if each  person 
posted his or her own input regarding the topic and give a link to the whole 
message. Those who have an opinion could respond to  what the sender is 
saying.. I guess the school teacher is me is coming out.  I am not really sure 
if the sender has even read the messages or is just forwarding them.

Input from list members regarding this problem would be most welcome.
I can be reached at sam...@snowcrest.net  
Tracy is busy with a sick little one these days so she basically said go ahead 
and do whatever.  I will forward anything that seems important on to 
her.

I hope to have some answers for you soon.  Your patience is appreciated and  I 
look forward to suggestions from list members.

Sincerely,

Joanne Thomason
silver-off-topic-list...???Owner.

RE: CS>Arthritis summary

[Jdownmaine]

Jan said:
  Would the contributors check to spot any errors/ omissions . . .

Here are some additional thoughts:
Nightshades include tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, green peppers, paprika and
tobacco;
if you drop ALL of them for at least 2 to 3 weeks, you can sometimes allow
them back into your diet "in moderation" -- perhaps 1-2 X per week (not
including the tobacco.)
Cheddar cheese is usually a no-no too.
You ought to ask yourself "what do I always have in the house and am careful
never to run out of?" That's often the allergic food you're having an
arthritic reaction to -- like the tea, eh? (sorry -- coffee drinker and
ex-smoker myself.)

Signed:


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Re: CS>Testing for ppm of Colloidal Silver

[Vernon Hale]

Who has found a cheap ppm tester that can test CS, with no salt added, in
distilled water? Where did you buy it and what does it cost.  Thanks so
much..



> Hmmm...
> Bill,
> I recently bought a Hanna PWT from, I think, the same vendor you did.
> It came with dead batteries.
> When I contacted the vendor, I was told to take it up with the
manufacturer!
>
> Other than this exception, ANYBODY I have dealt with on the net has backed
up
> their products 100%.
>  I expect a product to work especially brand new out of the box, or made
right
> by the dealer I bought it from.
>
> You know who you are and you will not get a recommendation from ME!!!
>
> Chuck
> Oh, no, not another learning experience!
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:28:41 -0500 (Central Daylight Time), "Bill"
>  wrote:
>
> >I am curious as to how you test accurately to get the ppm of CS. I bought
my
> >generator and a Hanna tester and followed instructions to a 'T'. I found
> >that using Distilled Water the Hanna tester wouldn't tell me the ppm.
This
> >was after calibrating it according to instructions. The generator
> >manufacturer said not to add salt. I didn't. He said the only thing the
> >Hanna tester tested was the salt but that I shouldn't use it.I told him
that
> >sounded like double talk to me. I had quite a back and forth with him and
> >finally when I told him that the Hanna tester was useless and he
shouldn't
> >have encouraged me to buy it he no longer replied to my questions.
> >
> >Bill
>
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CS>Arthritis summary

[Jan Carew]

  Hi all,

 The pleas from Robb and I for advice on our arthritis has generated a
 huge response from you good folk for which I'm truly grateful

 I have copied the messages into my "archives" and produced this
 summary

 Pl I would the contributors check to spot any errors/ omissions, and, most
important,
 sugggest frequency and amount of doses for those items marked*.



At the moment I'm on CS 25mls 3xdaily,  v expensive Proflex (3 caps daily
each containing 400mg  glucosamine HCl,  100mg chondroitin sulphate and
200mg MSM)
the anti inflammatory Oruvail, and 10 glasses of water/day. (not enough to
counterract all the cups of tea!) I just occasionally get mobile, pain free
periods (bliss)  I've not won yet but so many lines of attack - shall work
my way thro'!  I'm determined not to spend the rest of my life painfully
hobbling around!

How are you doing Robb?

 I'm so glad I joined the list.

 Jan


 SUGGESTED ARTHRITIS REMEDIES

 1. Colloidal silver*

 2. MSM  - 5g/day or 10g/day (seems a helluva lot when each pill has only
200mg)

 3. DMSO applied topically

 4. Collastin*

 5. Glucosamine HCl  +  chondroitin sulphate*

 6. Omega 3*

 7. Cider Apple Vinegar - 2t in water on rising, then 2t CAV + 2t
  molasses + 1t > honey in water, drunk with each meal.

 8. B12 -1000mcg injected daily for 3 days,
  1000mcg every 48 hrs for 8 days,
  1000mcg every 5 days. (for how long?)

 9. WATER - many glasses per day!
 Divide weight in lbs by 2, then by 8 - this is number of
 ounces/day. An average glass holds 8ozs so divide by 8 to see how
 many actual  glassfuls should be imbibed per day. Each cup of
 coffee/tea or glass of alcohol/squash should be counterbalanced by
 an extra glass of water.  (I'll be awash!)

10.Drink goat's milk not cow's milk - preferably form your own goat
  which is allowed to graze on wild vegetation.

 11.Don't eat any of the Solanaceae family (nightshades) - eg spuds or
   toms.

 12.Restrict carbohydrates in the diet.

 13.Strap magnets onto the afflicted joints.

 14.Take molybdenum supplement*.

>
>
>
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]



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Re: CS>References

[Marshall Dudley]

Yvonne and Mickey - BIO-SIL wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> Just wondering  has anyone come across  the muchly touted
> 650 "germs" destroyed (by CS) report from UCLA

Never found the complete list.

>
> and the "no toxicity" listing from the EPA?

I have seen that one.

Marshall


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Re: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

[Marshall Dudley]

Looking at the electronegativity:

Oxygen is 3.5
Hydrogen is 2.1
Copper is 1.9

So, cannot the copper take the oxygen away from the hydrogen in the
water and liberate it under acid conditions?

Marshall

rogalt...@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/2/2001 10:49:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> mdud...@execonn.com writes:
>
>
>
>> Subj:Re: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW
>> Date:11/2/2001 10:49:27 AM Eastern Standard Time
>> From:mdud...@execonn.com
>> Reply-to:silver-list@eskimo.com
>> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Sent from the Internet
>>
>>
>>
>> The solubility of copper goes way up as ph goes down.  See
>> http://www.nsf.org/newsletters/plumbing99-1/coppercert.html
>>
>> Although copper is slightly soluble in pure wter, I think much of
>> the
>> problem with distilled water may be that it can quickly absorb
>> enough
>> CO2 to drop the ph into the region where copper is quite soluble.
>>
>> Marshall
>
> Marshall: I still need to know what's going to oxidize copper (even
> slightly) to form Cu++ when only CO2 is present in DW. Roger


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Re: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

[Marshall Dudley]

Copper corrodes when the ph of the water is below about 6.5.  Perhaps it
is dissolved oxygen in the water.

Marshall

rogalt...@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/2/2001 10:49:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> mdud...@execonn.com writes:
>
>
>
>> Subj:Re: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW
>> Date:11/2/2001 10:49:27 AM Eastern Standard Time
>> From:mdud...@execonn.com
>> Reply-to:silver-list@eskimo.com
>> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Sent from the Internet
>>
>>
>>
>> The solubility of copper goes way up as ph goes down.  See
>> http://www.nsf.org/newsletters/plumbing99-1/coppercert.html
>>
>> Although copper is slightly soluble in pure wter, I think much of
>> the
>> problem with distilled water may be that it can quickly absorb
>> enough
>> CO2 to drop the ph into the region where copper is quite soluble.
>>
>> Marshall
>
> Marshall: I still need to know what's going to oxidize copper (even
> slightly) to form Cu++ when only CO2 is present in DW. Roger


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Re: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

[ROGALTMAN]

In a message dated 11/2/2001 10:49:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
mdud...@execonn.com writes:


> Subj:Re: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW 
> Date:11/2/2001 10:49:27 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From:mailto:mdud...@execonn.com";>mdud...@execonn.com
> Reply-to:mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent from the Internet 
> 
> 
> 
> The solubility of copper goes way up as ph goes down.  See
> http://www.nsf.org/newsletters/plumbing99-1/coppercert.html
> 
> Although copper is slightly soluble in pure wter, I think much of the
> problem with distilled water may be that it can quickly absorb enough
> CO2 to drop the ph into the region where copper is quite soluble.
> 
> Marshall
> 

Marshall: I still need to know what's going to oxidize copper (even slightly) 
to form Cu++ when only CO2 is present in DW. Roger

Re: CS>DMSO

[CKing001]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:53:46 -0600, "Kehoe"  wrote:

>I have DMSO gel at 99.5% .  I want to use it topically for back pain.  Does
>anyone know to what ratio I should mix it with Aloe Gel.  I do not want it
>to irritate the skin.

I have always used the gel "as is" with no problems. Try a small amount.

>Also, I have the Liquid at 99.5%. How much should I mix with the CS for
>nebulizing for a lung infection.  Or for taking internally for an infection.

The liquid should be diluted to 70% DMSO for external use. I have no experience
with internal other than to know that it's injected into lame horses as well as
topically applied.
Chuck
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Re: CS>Hello List/ Pipette-/ & (drinking amounts)

[CKing001]

I prefer meteric, I'm so much lighter in Kg than Lbs.
Chuck

There is no heaven or hell--only smoking or non-smoking !

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:21:03 +, "M. G. Devour"  wrote:

>Oh N! METRIC WARS


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CS>DMSO

[Kehoe]

Since the Off Topic list appears to be down right now, I am asking my
questions here.

I have DMSO gel at 99.5% .  I want to use it topically for back pain.  Does
anyone know to what ratio I should mix it with Aloe Gel.  I do not want it
to irritate the skin.

Also, I have the Liquid at 99.5%. How much should I mix with the CS for
nebulizing for a lung infection.  Or for taking internally for an infection.

Thanks,

CK


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CS>silver-l...@eskmo.com

[Barnbert]

Copper corrosion
Copper corrosion has been experienced thru-out the world. In water pipes, a 
'patina' or coating normally rapidly developes on the internal surfaces of 
the piping system shutting down any further corrosion. Any substance in the 
water, including  'hungry water' that dissolves the patina will cause a 
continual leaching of copper into the water.
Corrective measures include treatment to change the water from agressive to 
quiescent quality. This usually requires the addition of potable phosphates 
to maintain the 'patina'
However, dont take my word about it, [46 years in building systems design] 
The copper producing industry maintains  an independent research facility  in 
Stamford,Ct 
called , I believe.Copper Environment , I dealt with them on many occasions 
when this corrosion problem arose. They were always very helpful.  Bob


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RE: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

That sounds likely; thanks for the link; a good reference.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:48 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

The solubility of copper goes way up as ph goes down.  See
http://www.nsf.org/newsletters/plumbing99-1/coppercert.html

Although copper is slightly soluble in pure wter, I think much of the
problem with distilled water may be that it can quickly absorb enough
CO2 to drop the ph into the region where copper is quite soluble.

Marshall

"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
> I donâ€â"¢t know the chemistry. My main source of information was
> several years ago from a still manufacturer. I was asked to install
> a small distribution system from a still reservoir that pumped the
> water to the kitchen sink from the remote still location. The
> manufacturer and distributor were adamant that only plastic pipe could
> be used and they claimed that the copper would soon leak. The next
> time I speak with a still tech rep, I will ask.
>
> The soldering alloy will contain tin and antimony, but I donâ€â"¢t
> know the amounts. Back then, lead was still used in potable water
> piping. It would take a bit to time to look up the complete
> alloy. I think tin is less reactive, perhaps that is what could
> create the cell. My understanding is too limited to for me to make a
> meaningful comment.
>
> Â
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:49 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW
>
> In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ken...@optusnet.com.au writes:
>
>
>
> Subj:CS>RE: Stainless dangerous?
>
> Date:10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:ken...@optusnet.com.au (Kevin Nolan)
> Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
>
>
>
>
> In Digest #951, James-Osbourne: Holmes wrote:
> "I use stainless cookware, and do all of my cooking with the same
> distilled water with which I make silver. I think it depends on a
> whole bunch of factors.  I doubt very much if the leaching in practice
> is of any consequence whatsoever. "Copper is another story.  DW
> dissolves it quite rapidly; such that you cannot use ordinary copper
> water tube for DW distribution.   It will both perforate
> quickly---exactly how fast I donâ€â"¢t know—and put a lot of
> copper in the water.  I suspect--but do not know---that it will put a
> potentially toxic amount of Cu into the water, depending on how much
> you drink. If one had a sensitive scale, you could put a chunk into DW
> and weigh it after it had been in there a while, constantly changing
> the water so that the dissolved copper would not slow down the
> process.  The â€Å"Waterwiseâ€? still manufacturer may offer
> solid information about the various grades of SS.  This would still
> not duplicate the process of running continuously fresh DW through a
> pipe."
> Some worthwhile advice there, James. Reminds me of a story run a few
> months back on TV here in Oz, about the huge cost of corrosion in
> copper water pipe. It's locale dependent but occurs all over the
> world. Apparently no-one has an answer as to why it happens or how to
> cure it (apart from replacing the pipe). Interestingly, there seemed
> to be a correlation between higher levels of dissolved iron picked up
> from ground water, and copper corrosion levels
>
>
> JOH: The interesting thing here is that a copper pipe (which I'll
> assume is 99.9+% copper) should NOT dissolve in DW because (unlike
> zinc, for example), it is less reactive than hydrogen. The only thing
> I can think of is that perhaps there is another, even more noble,
> metal in the vicinity so that a corrosion cell is set up. What
> relatively common metal is more noble than copper? Beats me. Roger
>


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RE: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

No known contraindications.  Anecdotal reports are elimination of Pinkeye in
less than a day.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: David Haley [mailto:dha...@pinenet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:47 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

Does anyone know if you can put CS directly into the eye?  My next door
neighbors 3 year old daughter appears to either have pink eye or possibly a
regular eye infection.  She scraped her eyelid with a briar branch a few
days ago but said it didn't get in her eye. My friend has been treating with
Echinacea/Goldenseal tea in the eye and it seems to be improving but she
would like to know if CS would work too?  Thanks...Deanna

Re: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

[Marshall Dudley]

My don does it all the time. With contacts he would get eye infections
quite often. Also my daughter uses it in the eyes of her daughter when
she gets pinkeye.  Infections seem to be gone within a few minutes in
all cases.

Marshall

David Haley wrote:

> Does anyone know if you can put CS directly into the eye?  My next
> door neighbors 3 year old daughter appears to either have pink eye or
> possibly a regular eye infection.  She scraped her eyelid with a briar
> branch a few days ago but said it didn't get in her eye. My friend has
> been treating with Echinacea/Goldenseal tea in the eye and it seems to
> be improving but she would like to know if CS would work too?
> Thanks...Deanna


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Re: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

[Nina Silver]

- Original Message -
From: David Haley 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:46 AM
Subject: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye


Does anyone know if you can put CS directly into the eye?  My next door
neighbors 3 year old daughter appears to either have pink eye or possibly a
regular eye infection.  She scraped her eyelid with a briar branch a few
days ago but said it didn't get in her eye. My friend has been treating with
Echinacea/Goldenseal tea in the eye and it seems to be improving but she
would like to know if CS would work too?  Thanks...Deanna


Yes, as long as the solution is plain silver (without added preservatives or
colorings etc.). I have used it lots of times and felt almost immediate
relief.

Regards,
Nina Silver


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Re: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

[Roesilver]

Hi:

A drop or two in each eye, 2-3 times per day will produce good results, 
however if there is cellulitis in a lot of the tissue around the eye into the 
cheek, then she may need antibiotics.  From experience, most pink eye is 
responsive to CS.

ian

Re: CS>Ulcer - H. pylori?

[M. G. Devour]

Sorry for the double message, Kim. I managed to send my reply to you 
privately when I intended it to go to the list...

You wrote:
> I had an acute ulcer attack yesterday - bad enough that I went to the
> doctor (which is saying a lot, I do not like going!).  The
> prescription was Zantac.

I can sympathise. I went through a similar episode 10 years ago or so.

I was given Zantac as well, and it almost immediately relieved me of
symptoms and apparently allowed my ulcer to heal. I did not know
anything about alt-med at the time, and don't know what problems there
are with Zantac in general, or for nursing mothers...

> He mentioned the possibility of it being caused by bacteria, but 1)
> I'm nursing and don't want to take antibiotics and 2) we no longer
> have insurance.

I guess there's a lot of evidence leaning in that direction. If true it
suggests CS will help. I would certainly try it if I came up with
another ulcer.

You certainly don't want abx while nursing. We've been given a few
testimonials from women (or their partners) who've used CS throughout
pregnancy and lactation without harm to mother or child.

CS certainly is cheaper to make than the co-pay for scrip abx on most
insurance plans. It'll also keep you from getting a lot of the bugs that
float around, reducing your costs futher.

Our family has been nearly antibiotic-free for the last 4 years now as
opposed to at least 3 or 4 times a year for me and several more for my
wife or various kidlets before we learned about CS.

> I've tried searching the archives and have come across several 
> references to H. pylori and CS, but it's difficult to wade through
> those archives! 

Sorry! Sometimes the info is not there in a searchable form. You'd need
to try all the possible search words and always slog through a lot of
false hits... We'll try to put as many condition-specific search results
together as possible in the upcoming web FAQ's for easier browsing.

> So my question is, how much CS should I be taking a
> day for an ulcer?  Does it work effectively against H. pylori?  I'd
> really like to get rid of this - I was in so much pain yesterday I had
> to have my dh come home from work to take care of the kids : (

My personal opinion is, if it were my wife under similar circumstances
(nursing), I'd go with it. There's little chance of harm, in my opinion,
and much to gain if it works.

How much depends on what you're using. Typical 5-15 ppm home brew?
Maybe a swallow, swished in your mouth for a couple of minutes, 2 to 3
times a day? It'll help your teeth!  Dosing is not that critical.
Start with just a tiny bit (a few drops or a teaspoon) to be sure you
don't have any allergic reaction. Then just ramp up slowly to whatever
seems to work.

You'll only know for sure by trying, and that, only if you are willing
to trust it is safe. *That* judgement is always yours alone to make. 

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

[M. G. Devour]

One of my earliest experiments was to put some CS into my daughter's 
eyes. Took out a bout of pink-eye over night. I hope it works as well 
for your neighbors.

Be well,

Mike D.

> Does anyone know if you can put CS directly into the eye?  My next
> door neighbors 3 year old daughter appears to either have pink eye or
> possibly a regular eye infection.  She scraped her eyelid with a briar
> branch a few days ago but said it didn't get in her eye. My friend has
> been treating with Echinacea/Goldenseal tea in the eye and it seems to
> be improving but she would like to know if CS would work too? 
> Thanks...Deanna
> 
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

[Marshall Dudley]

The solubility of copper goes way up as ph goes down.  See
http://www.nsf.org/newsletters/plumbing99-1/coppercert.html

Although copper is slightly soluble in pure wter, I think much of the
problem with distilled water may be that it can quickly absorb enough
CO2 to drop the ph into the region where copper is quite soluble.

Marshall

"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
> I don’t know the chemistry. My main source of information was
> several years ago from a still manufacturer. I was asked to install
> a small distribution system from a still reservoir that pumped the
> water to the kitchen sink from the remote still location. The
> manufacturer and distributor were adamant that only plastic pipe could
> be used and they claimed that the copper would soon leak. The next
> time I speak with a still tech rep, I will ask.
>
> The soldering alloy will contain tin and antimony, but I don’t
> know the amounts. Back then, lead was still used in potable water
> piping. It would take a bit to time to look up the complete
> alloy. I think tin is less reactive, perhaps that is what could
> create the cell. My understanding is too limited to for me to make a
> meaningful comment.
>
> Â
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:49 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW
>
> In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ken...@optusnet.com.au writes:
>
>
>
> Subj:CS>RE: Stainless dangerous?
>
> Date:10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:ken...@optusnet.com.au (Kevin Nolan)
> Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
>
>
>
>
> In Digest #951, James-Osbourne: Holmes wrote:
> "I use stainless cookware, and do all of my cooking with the same
> distilled water with which I make silver. I think it depends on a
> whole bunch of factors.  I doubt very much if the leaching in practice
> is of any consequence whatsoever. "Copper is another story.  DW
> dissolves it quite rapidly; such that you cannot use ordinary copper
> water tube for DW distribution.   It will both perforate
> quickly---exactly how fast I don’t know—and put a lot of
> copper in the water.  I suspect--but do not know---that it will put a
> potentially toxic amount of Cu into the water, depending on how much
> you drink. If one had a sensitive scale, you could put a chunk into DW
> and weigh it after it had been in there a while, constantly changing
> the water so that the dissolved copper would not slow down the
> process.  The “Waterwise� still manufacturer may offer
> solid information about the various grades of SS.  This would still
> not duplicate the process of running continuously fresh DW through a
> pipe."
> Some worthwhile advice there, James. Reminds me of a story run a few
> months back on TV here in Oz, about the huge cost of corrosion in
> copper water pipe. It's locale dependent but occurs all over the
> world. Apparently no-one has an answer as to why it happens or how to
> cure it (apart from replacing the pipe). Interestingly, there seemed
> to be a correlation between higher levels of dissolved iron picked up
> from ground water, and copper corrosion levels
>
>
> JOH: The interesting thing here is that a copper pipe (which I'll
> assume is 99.9+% copper) should NOT dissolve in DW because (unlike
> zinc, for example), it is less reactive than hydrogen. The only thing
> I can think of is that perhaps there is another, even more noble,
> metal in the vicinity so that a corrosion cell is set up. What
> relatively common metal is more noble than copper? Beats me. Roger
>


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CS>Eye infection, possible pink eye

[David Haley]

Does anyone know if you can put CS directly into the eye?  My next door 
neighbors 3 year old daughter appears to either have pink eye or possibly a 
regular eye infection.  She scraped her eyelid with a briar branch a few days 
ago but said it didn't get in her eye. My friend has been treating with 
Echinacea/Goldenseal tea in the eye and it seems to be improving but she would 
like to know if CS would work too?  Thanks...Deanna

CS>Silver in food

[Thelma Seto]

If anyone on this list has eaten the Indian sweet, barfi, it is wrapped in 
an edible paper-like substance that is made of silver.  Does anyone know 
about this?  I assume it doesn't cause your face to turn blue (though maybe 
that's why Krishna was blue-skinned) as I never saw a blue person in 
India...


The metric system is (and has been) used the world over.  The only reason 
we're on the clunky old English system is because the British maintained 
this myth of cultural superiority and we were dumb enough and provincial 
enough to buy it!!!


Thelma

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RE: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Hi Roger,
 
I don’t know the chemistry.  My main source of information was several years 
ago from a still manufacturer.  I was asked to install a small distribution 
system from a still reservoir that pumped the water to the kitchen sink from 
the remote still location.  The manufacturer and distributor were adamant that 
only plastic pipe could be used and they claimed that the copper would soon 
leak.  The next time I speak with a still tech rep, I will ask. 
 
The soldering alloy will contain tin and antimony, but I don’t know the 
amounts.  Back then, lead was still used in potable water piping.  It would 
take a bit to time to look up the complete alloy.  I think tin is less 
reactive, perhaps that is what could create the cell.  My understanding is too 
limited to for me to make a meaningful comment. 
 
James-Osbourne: Holmes
 
-Original Message-
From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:49 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>On the Corrosion of Copper in DW
 
In a message dated 10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ken...@optusnet.com.au writes: 




Subj:CS>RE: Stainless dangerous? 
Date:10/20/2001 12:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time 
From:ken...@optusnet.com.au (Kevin Nolan) 
Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com   
To:silver-list@eskimo.com 




In Digest #951, James-Osbourne: Holmes wrote: 
"I use stainless cookware, and do all of my cooking with the same distilled 
water with which I make silver. I think it depends on a whole bunch of factors. 
 I doubt very much if the leaching in practice is of any consequence 
whatsoever. "Copper is another story.  DW dissolves it quite rapidly; such that 
you cannot use ordinary copper water tube for DW distribution.   It will both 
perforate quickly---exactly how fast I don’t know—and put a lot of copper in 
the water.  I suspect--but do not know---that it will put a potentially toxic 
amount of Cu into the water, depending on how much you drink. If one had a 
sensitive scale, you could put a chunk into DW and weigh it after it had been 
in there a while, constantly changing the water so that the dissolved copper 
would not slow down the process.  The “Waterwise” still manufacturer may offer 
solid information about the various grades of SS.  This would still not 
duplicate the process of running continuously fresh DW through a pipe." 
Some worthwhile advice there, James. Reminds me of a story run a few months 
back on TV here in Oz, about the huge cost of corrosion in copper water pipe. 
It's locale dependent but occurs all over the world. Apparently no-one has an 
answer as to why it happens or how to cure it (apart from replacing the pipe). 
Interestingly, there seemed to be a correlation between higher levels of 
dissolved iron picked up from ground water, and copper corrosion levels 


JOH: The interesting thing here is that a copper pipe (which I'll assume is 
99.9+% copper) should NOT dissolve in DW because (unlike zinc, for example), it 
is less reactive than hydrogen. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps 
there is another, even more noble, metal in the vicinity so that a corrosion 
cell is set up. What relatively common metal is more noble than copper? Beats 
me. Roger

RE: CS>Hello List/ Pipette-/ & (drinking amounts)

[M. G. Devour]

> A litre (notice the spelling?) is what one day the US will recognise
> as the standard unit of liquid measurement, and hence join the rest of
> the world ;-)

Oh N! METRIC WARS!



I'm bi-unital my self.

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CS>Ulcer - H. pylori?

[K Hammon]

I had an acute ulcer attack yesterday - bad enough that I went to 
the doctor (which is saying a lot, I do not like going!).  The 
prescription was Zantac.  He mentioned the possibility of it being 
caused by bacteria, but 1) I'm nursing and don't want to take 
antibiotics and 2) we no longer have insurance.

I've tried searching the archives and have come across several 
references to H. pylori and CS, but it's difficult to wade through 
those archives!  So my question is, how much CS should I be 
taking a day for an ulcer?  Does it work effectively against H. 
pylori?  I'd really like to get rid of this - I was in so much pain 
yesterday I had to have my dh come home from work to take care 
of the kids : (

Thanks for your help,
Kim


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Re: CS>CS & renal failure

[Roesilver]

Hi:

Silver chloride would qualify as a compound. I make HVAC CS. I did the 
experiment that was suggested at a web site, that being, putting some salt in 
the CS and I watched it turn a little milky. Putting salt in distilled water 
did not produce any milkyness. So even though I know that the CS I produce is 
a very effective product, I now know that a percentage of it is ionic and 
that ionic silver will certainly become silver chloride in my blood stream or 
stomach.  If I swish it around in my mouth, most of the ionic silver will go 
into my blood stream, become silver chloride in the blood and become a load 
on my kidnies.  Is this the load on the kidnies that eventually produces the 
renal failure he talks about?  

If I wolf it down, it will become silver chloride and most of that silver 
chloride will pass through my bowels because the molecules are mostly too 
large to go through the intestinal wall.  

Purchasing the high priced CS that has low ionic content and high particulate 
content, from what I understand, doesn't seem to produce any better results 
than the CS I now use.  It just looks good on graph paper.  So for efficacy I 
can't really justify the extra expense.

Does silver Chloride have any of the same anti bacterial qualities of 
particulate silver colloid?

Just my thoughts on this.

In a message dated 2001-11-02 2:21:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
a...@cybermesa.com writes:


> I forgot that plain text would loose a font point size increase.  The word
> "COMPOUND" is emphasized in the original.
> 
> 

Re: CS>Pink Faces for a Blue Lady

[Jan Carew]

Well done, Bill!

What an absolutely splendid idea.

Wish I could join in but I'm too new.

Trust you'll get a massive response.

Jan

-Original Message-
From: Maha-Abu 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Pink Faces for a Blue Lady



- Original Message -
From: Bill Fernald 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:37 PM
Subject: CS>Pink Faces for a Blue Lady


> Well, I have about had it with the Argyria crap. It is time we do
something
> about it. I would like to propose a "No Argyria" web site. If you have
used
> colloidal silver for a year or more, please send a recent photo of your
> face. I will put up a page with all of our pink faces. Please include the
> history of your colloidal silver use with testimonials. Also, get pic's of
> family and friends who have used cs with no argyria. I plan to spend some
> serious money having nothing to do with our product or web site to spread
> the truth about this "dread" condition. I am not gonna take it anymore! I
> will not have a link to our web site or any other colloidal silver
website.
> It will just be an easy answer to all who bring up the subject of Argyria.
I
> will be asking all the members of our newsletter as well to send in
> pictures. There will be hundreds. Please join me in this. If you want the
> pictures back, send a stamped self addressed envelope. Please no email
> attachments of pic's as I do not ever open any attachments because of the
> cyber-terrorists (virus spreaders) The address is:
>
> Bill Fernald
> PO Box 547
> Utopia, TX  78884
>
> Here is what we tell the hundreds of people who ask us about Argyria:
> The idea that Argyria is caused by colloidal silver is a complete
> fabrication. There is not one such case ever recorded. Argyria has in the
> past been caused by silver salts, such as silver nitrate.  If you look
> closely at the web sites which debunk colloidal silver, using argyria as
> their toxic side effect, you will notice they are connected to the FDA.
> Additionally,  most of the mention of silver products is actually csp
> (colloidal silver protein). This is not colloidal silver as it is made and
> sold by us and most other colloidal silver producers. The drug companies
do
> not want this product to be used by the public because it works and is
> replacing their expensive antibiotics. You will have to be the judge for
> yourself as to whether you are going to take this perceived, though false,
> risk in order to achieve good health or whether you are going to believe
the
> flimsy evidence of our detractors. Have you ever seen a blue person?
That's
> because they don't exist. If there were any blue people don't you think
they
> would have added their names to a 'list' blue people. All they have is
> Rosemary from the 50's using something that is not even similar to today's
> product.
>

Bill & everyone else,  there is a simple answer to the Argyria Aggy Barggy,
Indians eat SILVER (And Have Done For Centuries) with their food, I've never
seen a blue indian, and i don't know anyone else who has !!!

Maha-Abu.   In Hull. UK. ( here-i...@totalserve.co.uk)


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CS>Blood Purifier

[Robb Allen]

Hello All...does anyone have Detailed instructions on how to build the 
Beck Blood purifier??..thanks.Robb


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Re: CS>References

[George Martin]

Here are a couple of simpler tasks:

** Show that even ONE microorganism IS NOT killed by silver.  

** Show evidence that ONE PERSON has suffered harm by ingesting ANY
QUANTITY  of electro-colloidal (or "ionic") silver.The time frame
can be selected according to your own criteria but at a minimun they
should currently be alive...

Oh, yeah...allergic reactions do not qualify as proof of any
sort.

Regards,
George Martin


On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:42:26 +0200, Yvonne and Mickey - BIO-SIL
wrote:

=>Hi everyone!
=>
=>Just wondering  has anyone come across  the muchly touted
=>650 "germs" destroyed (by CS) report from UCLA
=>and the "no toxicity" listing from the EPA?
=>
=>
=>Thanks muchly!
=>Yvonne :o)
=>  
=>
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