CS>Some more info

[C Creel]

Dear List Members,



   I think maybe there is some background info I should have given.  Despite
instituting the most extreme safety precautions in hospitals, physicians and
nurses are still contracting SARS.  They are having difficulty understanding
exactly the many ways it is spread.  It has been found that it is possible
for SARS to survive on surfaces for up to 48 hours. These are some of the
concerns that contributed to the decision that only inhalers would be used
for any breathing treatments.


  I am introducing several ideas that fall outside of conventional medicine.
One of these ideas is CS.  I have no chance of getting them to even
entertain the notion of CS if they hear the word "nebulize".  I'm leaning
toward IV delivery.  But I need some more info on dosing for that.  The last
thing needed with SARS patients is a Herx reaction.  This would probably
kill them.

  I was also thinking about the possibility of pressurizing CS like an
Albuterol inhaler and using it with a chamber with a spacer.  Does anyone
have any idea if CS could effectively be pressurized?  Brooks?  Frank?

  Regards,
Catherine






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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Jason,

  You said:

<>


  The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these conditions
(and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely
rejected.  I have one shot at this.  I want to take my best shot.  Trying to
talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety precautions
at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are
hospital workers would not be productive.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Jason Eaton]

Reid:

I enjoyed your comments.  I certainly agree.

We know from personal research and personal experience that isolated silver
is effective in-vivo against virii.  The barrier doesn't seem to be the
type, but rather, the location in the body and whether or not silver can be
delivered to the infection site in great enough concentration, consistently,
and for a long enough period of time to be effective.

I have been following four recent cases of Hep C and three cases of HIV (
full blown AIDS ).  The results, across the board, are very promising.  The
longest AIDS case I've followed has been a near-death scenario, with a
complete restoration of health for a seven year period via colloidal silver
use ( not an HIV negative, however ).

I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear
of spreading the infection.  In a hospital setting, you don't "not use
silver via a nebulizer" because you don't know if it works or not ( and
simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and
take necessary precautions.  If one knows they have this condition, then it
is on the individual to be reasonably responsible with limitation of
contact.  If a person is not that responsible, then the philosophical point
is irrelevant anyway.

I never let academia get in the way of taking care of a condition with every
possible method available.  "It might not work" is not good enough for me.
It never has been, and never will be.  I would be more inclined to say that
it might not work as well via oral use.

This world is a very strange place.  Do the needs of the many outway the
needs of the few, or the one?  Before people are allowed to make policy, or
otherwise make decisions that can save or kill, I think this question should
be accurately analyzed and answered.

With Warm Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


> CSEnthusiasts,
> In discussing the risk of spreading SARS in exhaled droplets it would
> seem to me there is an issue as to whether or not the treatment is for
> prevention or for cure.  For example, if we have a high degree of
> certainty that an individual does not have SARS then it would seem quite
> reasonable to be within their breething zone.
>
> And shouldn't we worry more that a person who may become infected
> through the droplets is someone who should be nebulizing, but may not
> be?  As to the possibility that the virus may not be cleared up through
> the use of CS, if this were true would it not be a first?  For what
> other virus has CS not indicated effective?
>
> My questions are just that, and not statements or any kind of challenge
> to what others are saying.  Thanks to all for sharing knowledge in these
> worrisome times.
> Reid
>
> David Bearrow said:
> I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this
> information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not
> increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a
> filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the
> end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale
> through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this
> fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.
>
>
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CS>SARS: X-ray to confirm

[jrowland]

"There is no way for the ambulance driver to know for sure, 
without an X - ray and all that, that it is indeed SARS,"
said Donna Maiava, director of DOH's emergency branch...
There are five suspected SARS cases in Hawaii - 
three on Maui and two on Oahu. None of the cases have 
been fatal and none of the patients have shown severe 
symptoms, DOH has reported.
West Hawaii Today
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q11C31854
jr


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Re: CS>Re:CS and Diabetes ( John Wallis)

[Graham Telfer]

Sorry, I meant  for that to go to John direct Dyslexic I think. 



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Re: CS>Re:CS and Diabetes ( John Wallis)

[Graham Telfer]

John

 I hope your into reading semi technical stuff.


VANADIUM
Rough file:
"When Dr. John McNeill, dean of pharmaceutical sciences at UBC, and his 
colleagues Clayton Heilinger and Arun Tahiliani were testing vanadium - a 
common trace element found in seaweed - on diabetes induced female rats to 
see if it would prevent the development of cardiac problems, they made a 
startling discovery. Vanadium not only improved the rats' cardiovascular 
performance, it also regulated the levels of glucose in their blood and 
prevented the formation of cataracts. In fact, the rats that were fed 
vanadium in their drinking water appeared normal in all respects. ... Adds 
McNeill: 'The fact that vanadium appears to fix the whole system is a very 
nice discovery. It was not something we originally intended to look for.'
On average, an adult consumes one to four milligrams of vanadium every day 
from such foods as meat, milk, vegetables and bread: fish and marine plants 
are particularly good sources. The biological importance of vanadium, 
however, is largely unknown. A natural part of the regulatory system, it is 
believed to prevent cholesterol formation both in blood vessels and in the 
central nervous system. ... However, says McNeill, 'we never thought 
vanadium would do it [mimic insulin] so well. From everything we looked at, 
the rats were completely normal."
A two-factor, two-by-three factorially arranged experiment was performed to 
ascertain whether iodine affects the response of rats to vanadium 
deprivation. Male weanling Wistar-Kyoto rats were fed a 16% casein 68% 
acid-washed ground corn diet for 8 weeks. The variables were supplemental 
vanadium at 0 or 1 microgram/g and supplemental iodine at 0, 0.33 or 25 
micrograms/g. Vanadium deprivation increased thyroid weight and thyroid 
weight/body weight ratio and decreased the concentration of vanadium in 
liver. Vanadium and iodine interacted such that, as dietary iodine was 
increased, plasma glucose increased in the vanadium-deficient rats but 
decreased in the vanadium-supplemented rats. Also, as dietary iodine was 
increased, thyroid peroxidase activity decreased; the decrease was more 
marked in the vanadium-supplemented than the vanadium-deprived rats. The 
findings suggest that vanadium may have a physiological role affecting 
iodine metabolism and thyroid function.vanadium and iodine interaction 
effects on thyroid.doc
The following study shows that vanadium supplementation can increase bone 
mineral levels and that there is an interaction between vanadium and 
vitamin C in cholesterol metabolism.

Magnes Trace Elem 1991-92;10(5-6):327-38

Vanadium and ascorbate effects on 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A 
reductase, cholesterol and tissue minerals in guinea pigs fed low-chromium 
diets.


Seaborn CD, Mitchell ED, Stoecker BJ

Department of Nutritional Sciences, Oklahoma State University, Stillwater.

Vanadium has been reported to affect numerous physiological processes; 
however, a demonstration that vanadium deficiency consistently impairs 
biological function is lacking. The purpose of this study was to determine 
if the activity of hepatic 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaryl coenzyme A (HMG CoA) 
reductase, the rate-limiting enzyme in cholesterol synthesis, is affected 
by dietary supplementation of vanadate and/or chronic ascorbic acid 
deficiency. To determine if vanadium and/or ascorbic acid affected mineral 
metabolism, tissue minerals also were analyzed. Weanling male guinea pigs 
were assigned randomly to groups of 10 in a 2 x 2 factorial design. The 
dietary variables were ascorbate, 0.5 or 10 mg/day, and vanadium < 0.01 
microgram or 0.5 microgram/g diet as NH4VO3 in a low Cr diet containing < 
0.07 microgram Cr/g diet. After 21 weeks on this diet, guinea pigs 
receiving more ascorbate had lower liver weight/body weight ratios and 
increased bone copper. Testes weight/body weight ratios, hepatic glycogen 
and bone copper decreased while hepatic lipids, fecal bile acids, plasma 
cortisol and bone calcium and magnesium were increased by vanadium 
supplementation. An interaction between vanadium and ascorbate affected 
cholesterol excretion in feces, hepatic iron, plasma cholesterol 
concentration and the activity of HMG CoA reductase. This study provides 
evidence of increased bone mineral concentrations with vanadium 
supplementation and of an interaction between vanadium and ascorbate which 
affected cholesterol metabolism.



Regards

 Graham




At 02:36 PM 4/25/03 -0500, you wrote:

Catherine,

Thank you for the URL. I looked and read the whole item and still would be
reluctant to use the Vanadium to control my blood sugar level. It's just to
dangerous. (as documented by these items) I am a regular user of CS and
would be happy to expound on my personal experiences with it. But, I need
more certification that Vanadium would be safe to use.

I hope you do well with your Sars work. Be careful and stay healthy.

John.

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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Reid Harvey]

CSEnthusiasts,
In discussing the risk of spreading SARS in exhaled droplets it would
seem to me there is an issue as to whether or not the treatment is for
prevention or for cure.  For example, if we have a high degree of
certainty that an individual does not have SARS then it would seem quite
reasonable to be within their breething zone.

And shouldn't we worry more that a person who may become infected
through the droplets is someone who should be nebulizing, but may not
be?  As to the possibility that the virus may not be cleared up through
the use of CS, if this were true would it not be a first?  For what
other virus has CS not indicated effective?

My questions are just that, and not statements or any kind of challenge
to what others are saying.  Thanks to all for sharing knowledge in these
worrisome times.
Reid

David Bearrow said:
I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this
information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not
increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a
filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the
end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale
through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this
fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.



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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[sol]

Bwahaha, Ed, let us all know when you come up with an answer how we can
still breathe and avoid the virus!
  Actually I did think we all exhaled droplets with every breath, if we
didn't it would mean our lungs were all dried out and we'd be dead.
  So far I just plan to keep spraying my eyes, face, and hands whenever I've
been out around people. Been doing this for many weeks now, and it is
keeping me from any colds, etc. so far. Its no trouble at all to carry a
little 2 oz spray bottle of CS with me everywhere.  I would sure hope
someone is going to be able to test the SARS virus with CS at some point.
Don't expect that to happen real soon, though.
paula

- Original Message -
From: "Ed Haskins" 


> OK, I think I've got it . 
>
> If I don't yet have the virus, it's unsafe to inhale, but ok to exhale .
> 
>
> If I've got the virus, it ok to inhale, but unsafe to exhale . 
>
> H .  I better work on this a bit more and get back to you . 
:-)





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CS>RE: Current limitation

[Mike Monett]

Sat Apr 26, 2003, 12:00:03 am
  > CS>RE: Current limitation
  > From: edkas...@pacbell
  > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:12:33

  > presently I  am using 110VAC with a bridge rectifier to 54  VDC. I
  > would like to set a current limit.

  > Would the optimum setting be 2.3 ma ??

  > My present set up

  > two silver  wires  each 7 inch wetted area spaced  6  inches apart
  > with a  mechanical plastic stirrer in between, set  1-2  inches in
  > the water

  > with 1  1/2  gallons distilled water  (old  battery  charger glass
  > container)

  > All advice and comments appreciated.

  > Ed Kasper

  Ed, this  is  not  a good idea. You have a  good  chance  of killing
  yourself.

  First of all, if you put 110VAC into a bridge rectifier,  the output
  voltage across the load is not 54VDC.

  The output is a full-wave rectified sine wave that goes from zero to
  the peak value of the sine wave, which is about 160V.

  See "Bridge Rectifier" for a picture with waveforms:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electronic/rectbr.html

  With 110VAC input, the peak voltage across the load is

  sqrt(2) * 110 = 155.56349 Volts.

  The average  voltage across the load (that you would read with  a DC
  voltmeter) is

  Vav  = 2*Vp/pi

   = 2*155.56349/pi

   = 99.034794 Volts, not 54V

  See "Voltage Conversion Factors" for the exact formulas:

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56347.html

  If you  use the line voltage without an  isolation  transformer, one
  rod will go from zero to +156V peak, and the other will go from zero
  to -156V  peak.

  Here is  an  animation  of a bridge  rectifier  showing  the voltage
  across the  rods. (The green arrows show conventional  current flow,
  which is  from positive to negative. This is the  opposite direction
  from the flow of electrons.)

  
http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/other/3Dcircuits/animations/bridgeR.html
  If you  touched either rod to a water pipe, sparks would fly  as the
  bridge rectifier  burned  out  and   the  rod  welded  to  the pipe.
  Hopefully, the breaker would pop before any more damage was done.

  If you happen to touch either rod, then touch a water pipe  (or some
  other grounded object), you could be electrocuted. Especially in the
  case of  an  accidental  spill   when  you  are  madly  reaching for
  something. If your wife or neighbour tried to grab you to  save you,
  they could get electrocuted also.

  If a  child wandered in while you were absent, the first  thing they
  would want to do is touch the pretty wires or dip their hands in the
  nice water.

  As far  as  trying  to regulate  the  current,  the  maximum voltage
  differential across a LM117 is 40V. Applying 156 volts  will destroy
  it.

  I would strongly recommend you abandon this approach before you kill
  yourself or someone else.

  Ifyou   really   want   to   use   current   limiting,get  a
  transformer-isolated power  supply that delivers 30 to 40  volts dc,
  then try your LM117.

  BTW, a lot of the formulas I see on the web to set the value  of the
  limiting resistor are incorrect.

  The reference  voltage for the LM117 is 1.25V. Say you  want  to set
  the current to 1 mA:

  From Ohm's Law:

  R = E / I
= 1.25 / 0.001
= 1250 ohms.

  The nearest standard value is 1,200 ohms.

Best of Luck!

Mike Monett


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CS>Re: Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before?

[hdka]

Do't worry Tel, It won't be much longer till everyone will be forced to have 
the chip, soon as the NWO and the police state gets here. 


Our little dog has the chip implanted in him...for tracking if stolen or
lost.  Why don't the military do the same for our Vets who go to war ?
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey , AZ 

jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: 


Where's Dr. Dolittle when you need him?!
Looks like the animals are first in line for "protection":
"all dogs in the EU will have to have the chips..."
http://www.europetnet.com/who/default.asp




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CS>Implants

[Trem]

I suspect many would object because it would be an invasion of their
privacy.  Many people don't want others to know their whereabouts.  It would
have to be voluntary and I don't think you have choices in the military.
Could be wrong though.

Trem




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To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before? 


> Our little dog has the chip implanted in him...for tracking if stolen or
> lost.  Why don't the military do the same for our Vets who go to war ?
> Tel Tofflemire
> Dewey , AZ
>
> jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote:
>
> > Where's Dr. Dolittle when you need him?!
> > Looks like the animals are first in line for "protection":
> > "all dogs in the EU will have to have the chips..."
> > http://www.europetnet.com/who/default.asp
> > jr
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Re: CS>Re: Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before?

[Tel Tofflemire]

Our little dog has the chip implanted in him...for tracking if stolen or
lost.  Why don't the military do the same for our Vets who go to war ?
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey , AZ

jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote:

> Where's Dr. Dolittle when you need him?!
> Looks like the animals are first in line for "protection":
> "all dogs in the EU will have to have the chips..."
> http://www.europetnet.com/who/default.asp
> jr
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Re: CS>RE: Current limitation Please check my math

[Jim]

1/8 inch is .125" not .064.  .064 = about 1/16 "

Jim

edkas...@pacbell wrote:

Thanks Bob,
if the silver wire is 14 gauge (14 gauge = 0.064")
14 gauge = about 1/8 of an inch

the equalization would be

3.1416 x  (0.064)  x 7 (inches of wetted area)
measured on only one of the two silver wires.
equals  = 1.4070 ma

if a bend the negative silver wire so there is 14 inches of wet area
(negative = cathode the one that gives up the silver ??!!??)

3.1416  x  0.064  x 14  = 1.7496  ma


then all I need is to find a LM 117 / LM 317 that can limit a 54 VDC to 1.75
ma and place that inline on the negative  side wire.


correct??

thanks for the  help, much appreciated

ed

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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>RE: Current limitation


Ed,

Most venders set their current limit to 1 ma per sqin.
Area= 3.1416 x wired diameter in inches x wet length.

"Ole Bob"


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Re: CS>Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before?

[TJ Garland]

Same old Horses#$% from the FDA- mixing up CS with silver salts. They lie 
but not so one would know.


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RE: CS>RE: Current limitation Please check my math

[edkas...@pacbell]

Thanks Bob,
if the silver wire is 14 gauge (14 gauge = 0.064")
14 gauge = about 1/8 of an inch

the equalization would be

3.1416 x  (0.064)  x 7 (inches of wetted area)
measured on only one of the two silver wires.
equals  = 1.4070 ma

if a bend the negative silver wire so there is 14 inches of wet area
(negative = cathode the one that gives up the silver ??!!??)

3.1416  x  0.064  x 14  = 1.7496  ma


then all I need is to find a LM 117 / LM 317 that can limit a 54 VDC to 1.75
ma and place that inline on the negative  side wire.


correct??

thanks for the  help, much appreciated

ed

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From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>RE: Current limitation


Ed,

Most venders set their current limit to 1 ma per sqin.
Area= 3.1416 x wired diameter in inches x wet length.

"Ole Bob"


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CS>It's all in the Name

[Robert Berger]

Hi CS'ers or should I say EIS'ers???

Frank Key was right on one point. What you make is NOT colloidal
silver Jason calls it Electrically Isolated Silver, hence
EIS rather than CS.

History will tell you that colloidal silver was originally make by
mechanical means the chemical means as does Frank.

The electrolytic process is a late invention and makes mostly silver
ions. My HVAC ARC EIS has been measured by Frank at 99.4% ions. The wide
anode EIS checks about the same. I use a current density of 320 micro
amperes. (0.32 ma.).

To change the name at this point would have about as much chance of
success as changing Christmas to the end of September.
Or a snow ball in hell.

"Ole Bob"


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CS>It's location and ??

[Robert Berger]

Hi there EIS'ers,

I put together a 2 gallon system for Rich Adams and ran the first batch
here; 7 hrs. yields 35.2 PPM with current pegging the 12.6 ma limit of
the constant current regulator.

Rich took the unit home and ran 4 batches from 6.5 to 8.5 hours and
never had a current greater than 6.5 ma 

I brought the unit home and ran 6.25 hrs.. and had 12.5 ma 

An other interesting difference is that my first run was 35.2 PPM and
the second run was 10 PPM

Location  could be #1 but what changed the PPM??  I have seen that a
number of times before with the same setup???

"Ole Bob"


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Re: CS>Dsmo

[Robert Berger]

Jeff,

Brooks Bradely recommended saturating the CS with MSM. Then mix that with
the DMSO in the ratio CS+MSM 9 parts to 1 part DMSO.

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Re: CS>RE: Current limitation

[Robert Berger]

Ed,

Most venders set their current limit to 1 ma per sqin. Area= 3.1416 x wired
diameter in inches x wet length.

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Re: CS>Re:CS and Diabetes

[Roman]

John,

Do you have diabetes? What type? Are you on a limited carb diet?
Exercising? Managing you stress? Chronic stress has been shown to
quickly increase insulin resistance.

There's a company, NutraStar (www.nutrastar.com) whose stabilized rice
bran based products have been clinically shown to be effective at
normalizing blood sugar level for both types of diabetes.

Roman


JohnWallis wrote:
> 
> Catherine,
> 
> Thank you for the URL. I looked and read the whole item and still would be
> reluctant to use the Vanadium to control my blood sugar level. It's just to
> dangerous. (as documented by these items) I am a regular user of CS and
> would be happy to expound on my personal experiences with it. But, I need
> more certification that Vanadium would be safe to use.
> 
> I hope you do well with your Sars work. Be careful and stay healthy.
> 
> John.
>


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Laura,


  You said:

<>


  ** Sure, there is some fluid in regular exhalations but there would be far
more nebulizing anything.  The purpose I'm asking the questions I am is
because I have an opportunity to present alternative options to people
treating people who have SARS .  I have to be scientific in my presentation
otherwise I'll lose them in the first three minutes.  Right now, they are
not nebulizing anything because of the higher risk of transmission.  What
has to be considered is the people giving the treatment and the air exchange
system in the hospitals.

What I'm after is any other way to get CS to the lungs - also, the
efficacy of CS on small envelope proteins.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

<>


  **  We'll know if CS works if I can convince this group of physicians on
Sunday to use it.


 <>

  **   I'd be shocked if it was.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear David,


  You said:

<>

  **Yes, I will be presenting the work from BYU.  Thank you for
mentioning the IV protocol. I'm so microfocused on the lungs at this point
(and exhausted) that I was only thinking about a direct delivery method to
the lungs.  Geeez...I think I need to take a breather and get my head back
on straight.


   IV protocol, anyone?  Amount, frequency?  I should probably recommend the
CS one can get by Rx only.  That would make the mainstream docs feel good
and safe I think.

  Thanks :-)

Regards,
Catherine


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CS>Dsmo

[Jeff]

I have been searching the archives but have yet to find an answer. Could
someone please tell me how they mix cs,dmso,and msm and if it is for
internal use or just for external and or nebulizer use? I don't have any
idea of how much to mix or how to mix.
Jeff


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Re: CS>Re:CS and Diabetes

[JohnWallis]

Catherine,

Thank you for the URL. I looked and read the whole item and still would be
reluctant to use the Vanadium to control my blood sugar level. It's just to
dangerous. (as documented by these items) I am a regular user of CS and
would be happy to expound on my personal experiences with it. But, I need
more certification that Vanadium would be safe to use.

I hope you do well with your Sars work. Be careful and stay healthy.

John.

- Original Message - 
From: "C Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re:CS and Diabetes


> Dear John,
>
>
>   I think this is a well-balanced presentation on Vanadium.
>
> http://www.diabetesnet.com/vanad.php
>
> Regards,
> Catherine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[David Bearrow]

At 01:56 PM 4/25/03, you wrote:

  I'm talking about this for a very specific reason.  I have the opportunity
to
introduce CS to physicians working directly with SARS cases.  They are not
nebulizing anything due to fears of spreading SARS more.  I cannot appproach
them with an unfamiliar treatment (CS) and then expect them to take this
unfamiliar treatment and administer it in a way they have decided is to
dangerous.  The whole idea will be shot down and the opportunity to intoduce
CS will be lost (this time).  I don't want that to happen.


I understand your concern with attempting to introduce CS to physicians, 
however, the discussion brought confusion to some folks on the list who 
thought you were saying that they should not nebulize silver if they caught 
SARS. Most likely nebulizing CS will be beneficial to someone with SARS. 
The problem was not with this treatment but with getting a mainstream 
physician to accept this protocol.


The only way we will ever know if nebulizing will help is if someone tries it.

I'm not sure how to address your main concern which is to get the physician 
to consider using CS to treat SARS. There are many delivery methods you 
could use once you have the physician convinced to give it a trial, chief 
among them would be nebulizing and IV. But the trick is to convince him. 
Perhaps showing him the BYU study results might help.




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CS>RE: Current limitation

[edkas...@pacbell]

presently I am using 110VAC with a bridge rectifier to 54 VDC. 
I would like to set a current limit.

Would the optimum setting be 2.3 ma ??

My present set up

two silver wires each 7 inch wetted area 
spaced 6 inches apart
with a mechanical plastic stirrer in between, set 1-2 inches in the water

with 1 1/2 gallons distilled water
(old battery charger glass container)

All advice and comments appreciated.

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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear David,


  You said:

<>


  I'm talking about this for a very specific reason.  I have the opportunity
to
introduce CS to physicians working directly with SARS cases.  They are not
nebulizing anything due to fears of spreading SARS more.  I cannot appproach
them with an unfamiliar treatment (CS) and then expect them to take this
unfamiliar treatment and administer it in a way they have decided is to
dangerous.  The whole idea will be shot down and the opportunity to intoduce
CS will be lost (this time).  I don't want that to happen.

  A filter is an interesting idea but my concern is that each thing
introduced to them that is unfamiliar will make them more unable to see the
possibilities.

   I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this but please understand that I
have to operate within some established parameters.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[alltogethernow]

My guess is that we will never know if CS works against sars unless
there is an extreme epidemic, because if you go and get a confirmation
now, you will probably be quarantined, rather than let loose to go home
and find out. ( Or, you might volunteer for your own safety.)
 But, only if it is a "given" that you, and those around you have it,
and you are left to your own, as in house or neighborhood quarantine,
will you get the opportunity to find out.  
 Another reason is that, at the first sign of symptoms, those of us that
can, will start treatment, and possibly knock it out before it gets
started. 
 I just went through 3 days of "probable" flu, and will never know for
sure, although I strongly doubt it was sars. 


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Re: CS>Fw: CS>CS Quality

[tbass]

Jean,
I see no difference in silver life whether the silver wire is 
left in distilled water, or dried and put away. Because of that 
observation, to me, drying and storing the silver 
wire is not necessary.

The only time silver is consumed is when CS is being brewed.
Even when brewing CS daily, the life of two 6 inch pieces of 
12 gage silver wire is years.  We are talking about approximately
$ 5.00 worth of silver lasting 2 or more years.

I hope this answers your question. We all were new to CS making
at one time and understand you are just learning and gathering
information.
Keep at it, it's worth it.
Stay well.
Tom Bassett





  - Original Message - 
  From: Jean DeMasters 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:54 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>CS Quality


  Tom, Do they last longer in the water than if they were dried off and put 
away? 

  tbass  wrote: 
Jean, Please read below.Silver wires do not deteriorate when left in 
distilled water. They last for years in water.
Tom Bassett



- Original Message - 
From: tbass 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>CS Quality


Hi Jean,
Most 12 gage wires, approximately 5 inches immersed in distilled
water, last for 1 to 2 years or more. So, a foot of .999 silver is good for 
a couple
of years when brewing 3 to 4 times a week. When not brewing, I still
leave the silver  in the water. Over brewing will just waste  silver as the 
particles will become so numerous as to start clumping together
and dropping out to the bottom of the vessel. My observations after 4 years 
of
brewing CS. I hope I understood your question and answered it correctly.
Stay well,
Tom Bassett



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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:51 PM
  Subject: CS>CS Quality


  Hi CS'ers,
  I have bought CS over the internet before and have just decided to pick 
up my own generator but as I am new to this I have some questions.  How long do 
the silver wires last? and if I leave them in the water longer than prescribed 
will I get more potent CS or will that be detrimental to the process?

  Thank you all,
  Jean




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CS>re Gassing

[Harold MacDonald]

My wifes' uncle was gassed with Chlorine gas in WW 1 and was basically an
invalid/bed ridden until he died in his early forties;blind ,physically
destroyed .
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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Ed Haskins]

OK, I think I've got it . 

If I don't yet have the virus, it's unsafe to inhale, but ok to exhale .


If I've got the virus, it ok to inhale, but unsafe to exhale . 

H .  I better work on this a bit more and get back to you .  :-)


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From: "David Bearrow" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined


> I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information
> we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk
> of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube
with
> a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a
> tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way
> to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus
> shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.
>
> At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote:
> >   SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
> >Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize
it.
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Re: CS>Fw: CS>CS Quality

[Jean DeMasters]

Tom, Do they last longer in the water than if they were dried off and put away? 

tbass  wrote:Jean, Please read below.Silver wires do not 
deteriorate when left in distilled water. They last for years in water.Tom 
Bassett   - Original Message - From: tbass To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:07 PMSubject: Re: CS>CS Quality
Hi Jean,Most 12 gage wires, approximately 5 inches immersed in distilledwater, 
last for 1 to 2 years or more. So, a foot of .999 silver is good for a coupleof 
years when brewing 3 to 4 times a week. When not brewing, I stillleave the 
silver  in the water. Over brewing will just waste  silver as the particles 
will become so numerous as to start clumping togetherand dropping out to the 
bottom of the vessel. My observations after 4 years ofbrewing CS. I hope I 
understood your question and answered it correctly.Stay well,Tom Bassett   
- Original Message - From: Jean DeMasters To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:51 PMSubject: CS>CS Quality
Hi CS'ers,I have bought CS over the internet before and have just decided to 
pick up my own generator but as I am new to this I have some questions.  How 
long do the silver wires last? and if I leave them in the water longer than 
prescribed will I get more potent CS or will that be detrimental to the 
process? Thank you all,Jean


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[David Bearrow]

I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information 
we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk 
of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with 
a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a 
tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way 
to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus 
shouldn't stop you from nebulizing.


At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote:

  SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
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Re: CS>Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before?

[Marshall Dudley]

Yep, CS works great on mastitis, so the FDA had to step in to protect the
phams.  This is actually a few years old.

Marshall

C Creel wrote:

>  Taken from AABP Newsletter, March 1997, from CVM Update, FDA, Center
> for Veterinary Medicine, Feb. 12, 1997.
>
>  COLLOIDAL SILVER NOT APPROVED FOR TREATING ANIMALS
>
>  FDA has received reports that products containing colloidal silver are
> being
> promoted of use in the treatment of mastitis and other serious disease
> conditions
> of dairy cattle, as well as for various conditions of companion animals.
> For
> example, FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine has received reports from the
> Agency's regional milk specialists and State Inspectors that colloidal
> silver
> products have been found on some dairy farms.  Also, recent articles in some
> farm newspapers and journals promote the use of colloidal silver in treating
> mastitis and claim that no milk discard is needed.
>  FDA is not aware of any substantial scientific evidence that supports the
> safe
> and effective use of colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts for any
> animal
> disease condition.  Also, in the October 15, 1996 Federal Register, FDA
> proposed
> to establish that all over-the-counter human drug products containing
> colloidal
> silver ingredients or silver salts for internal or external use are not
> generally
> recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded.
>  Use of colloidal silver ingredients in food-producing animals constitutes a
> potentially serous public health concern because of the possibility of
> residues in
> milk or meat.  According to several scientific publications mentioned in the
> October 15, 1996 Federal Register proposal, the human consumption of silver
> may result in argyria -- a permanent ashen-gray or blue discoloration of the
> skin,
> conjunctiva, and internal organs.
>  In addition to the possible human health concerns, use of these products to
> treat a serious illness in animals (including pets) could potentially
> endanger the
> health of the animal by delaying timely, appropriate treatment.
>  Colloidal silver-containing products have not been approved by FDA for use
> in any animal species.  Promoting the use of colloidal silver for treating
> animal
> diseases causes such products to be misbranded veterinary drugs under the
> Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act).  Labeling colloidal silver
> products to treat animals causes such products to be new animal drugs which
> are adulterated under the Act.
>  FDA has taken action against colloidal silver products, and is continuing
> to
> investigate the promotion and use of colloidal silver products in dairy and
> other
> animals.  If necessary, FDA will take further appropriate regulatory action.
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CS>Re: Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before?

[jrowland]

Where's Dr. Dolittle when you need him?!
Looks like the animals are first in line for "protection":
"all dogs in the EU will have to have the chips..."
http://www.europetnet.com/who/default.asp
jr


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CS>Has anyone ever seen this poppycock before?

[C Creel]

 Taken from AABP Newsletter, March 1997, from CVM Update, FDA, Center
for Veterinary Medicine, Feb. 12, 1997.


 COLLOIDAL SILVER NOT APPROVED FOR TREATING ANIMALS

 FDA has received reports that products containing colloidal silver are
being
promoted of use in the treatment of mastitis and other serious disease
conditions
of dairy cattle, as well as for various conditions of companion animals.
For
example, FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine has received reports from the
Agency's regional milk specialists and State Inspectors that colloidal
silver
products have been found on some dairy farms.  Also, recent articles in some
farm newspapers and journals promote the use of colloidal silver in treating
mastitis and claim that no milk discard is needed.
 FDA is not aware of any substantial scientific evidence that supports the
safe
and effective use of colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts for any
animal
disease condition.  Also, in the October 15, 1996 Federal Register, FDA
proposed
to establish that all over-the-counter human drug products containing
colloidal
silver ingredients or silver salts for internal or external use are not
generally
recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded.
 Use of colloidal silver ingredients in food-producing animals constitutes a
potentially serous public health concern because of the possibility of
residues in
milk or meat.  According to several scientific publications mentioned in the
October 15, 1996 Federal Register proposal, the human consumption of silver
may result in argyria -- a permanent ashen-gray or blue discoloration of the
skin,
conjunctiva, and internal organs.
 In addition to the possible human health concerns, use of these products to
treat a serious illness in animals (including pets) could potentially
endanger the
health of the animal by delaying timely, appropriate treatment.
 Colloidal silver-containing products have not been approved by FDA for use
in any animal species.  Promoting the use of colloidal silver for treating
animal
diseases causes such products to be misbranded veterinary drugs under the
Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act).  Labeling colloidal silver
products to treat animals causes such products to be new animal drugs which
are adulterated under the Act.
 FDA has taken action against colloidal silver products, and is continuing
to
investigate the promotion and use of colloidal silver products in dairy and
other
animals.  If necessary, FDA will take further appropriate regulatory action.



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CS>Canadian Strain of Virus Appears to Be Stronger Than U.S. Variety

[C Creel]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/25/science/sciencespecial/25INFE.html?pagewan
ted=print&position=

April 25, 2003
Canadian Strain of Virus Appears to Be Stronger Than U.S. Variety
By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN


 leading American virologist who has just returned from advising Hong Kong
officials on the SARS epidemic there said yesterday that death rates from
the
illness may vary among countries, in part because of differences in strains
of
the virus.

The virologist, Dr. Robert Webster of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital
in
Memphis, said that one reason the United States has escaped Canada's
difficulties with the disease, severe acute respiratory syndrome, is that
"the
virus they have got in Canada appears to be a more virulent strain than the
one seen so far in the United States."

Dr. Webster also said that an outbreak of SARS in an apartment complex in
Hong
Kong seemed to be caused by a different strain from the one causing illness
elsewhere in Hong Kong.

Speaking at a news conference the morning after his return, Dr. Webster said
he and his colleagues in Hong Kong think there are likely to be many strains
of the SARS virus. The World Health Organization says the virus, a
previously
unknown member of the coronavirus family, is the cause of SARS.

How big a global problem the disease becomes will "depend on the evolution
of
this virus, and whether the more pathogenic strains" that spread well become
established, Dr. Webster said.

But Dr. Webster, who is a world expert on the influenza virus, did not
provide
specific information about laboratory studies that have identified different
strains of the SARS virus.

At another news conference later in the day, Dr. Julie L. Gerberding, the
director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta,
expressed caution about Dr. Webster's remarks.

Scientists "would love to know why some patients develop more severe forms
of
SARS than other patients," Dr. Gerberding said, but "it is preliminary to
ascribe that to the virus."

C.D.C. scientists have identified the SARS virus in 7 of 39 probable SARS
cases in the United States. But that "is much too small a number to draw
conclusions about the virulence" of different strains of the virus, Dr.
Gerberding said.

Scientists in Canada, the United States and other countries have sequenced,
or
mapped, the basic molecular units of the SARS virus.

The viruses mapped in the United States and Canada were from two patients
and
are virtually identical, Dr. Gerberding said.

But she said that scientists needed to map viruses identified from more SARS
patients before they could say whether any differences in the molecular
structure of different strains could account for variations in severity
among
SARS cases.

The molecular structure of the coronavirus class consists of a single strand
of RNA that often makes mistakes as the virus replicates, allowing it to
mutate and even recombine with other viruses. But Dr. Gerberding said that
the
C.D.C. did not have any evidence now to say whether the SARS virus was
mutating.

Dr. Gerberding said that her agency was not characterizing certain strains
of
the SARS virus as more or less severe than other strains because so many
factors other than virulence are involved in determining the severity of an
infectious disease and its death rates.

One such factor is the health of the infected individual. Among the
questions
scientists are seeking to answer are: Do people with SARS have risk factors
that increase the hazard of being infected with such a virus? How strong are
their immunological defenses? Do they smoke?

"We have a lot to learn," Dr. Gerberding said.

The reason the United States has so few SARS cases and no deaths from the
disease appears largely to be "the good luck that we have not had the right
combination of someone who is highly infectious and inadequately protected
health care personnel," Dr. Gerberding said.

The C.D.C. has sent three experts to Toronto because the Canadian government
requested "a fresh set of eyes" to determine if there are flaws in the
infection control measures that health officials, doctors, nurses and other
health workers are using against the epidemic there. The concern is that its
spread is continuing to affect health workers despite what appears to be
proper use of masks, gowns, gloves and goggles.

The team includes a health care epidemiologist, an occupational health and
safety expert who is knowledgeable about the use of masks and other ways to
protect airway spread, and an environmental engineer knowledgeable about air
systems.

Dr. Gerberding said that based on her experience as an infection control
expert at San Francisco General Hospital, it would be standard practice for
such a team to review the use of masks and the ventilation of hospital
rooms.

Health workers are advised to wear special N-95 masks at all times in caring
for patients. The masks are capable of filtering tiny viruses. But to be
fully
protective, such masks must fit 

Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Sammark4]

Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation?  Maybe nebulizing with CS 
if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport 
in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see 
it.  The last place I would want to be if I suspected I had SARS would be a 
hospital emergency room.

Laura

In a message dated 4/25/03 10:33:47 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ccr...@adelphia.net writes:

>   SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
>  Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it.
>  
>  Regards,
>  Catherine


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RE: CS>SARS Canada

[J & S Campbell]

Thanks Ian for the update, it sounds pretty grim for you all. Very glad you
have avoided the infection, what dosage of CS are you using and are you
inhaling it also?
You are in our prayers,
Please keep us all updated as to how things are going,

Sheila

> -Original Message-
> From: ian_onta...@hotmail.com [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 25 April 2003 03:21
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>SARS Canada
>
>
> Hi:
>
> According to a scientist yesterday in Winnipeg, where the Canadian
> equivalent to the CDC is, in 40% of SARS patients, he can find no
> virus.  He
> stated that he is not sure that the corona virus acutally causes the
> disease.  Apparently they are still researching this and the book has not
> been written yet.
>
> There are web sites out there declaring that SARS is a scam.  All
> I can say
> is that the fright that is being created and the news stories and
> laws being
> enacted may be a scam.  BUT the disease itself is very real and
> very nasty.
> Although there have only been 15 deaths in Canada so far, there are people
> in intensive care wards that are hanging on by a thread, people
> whos' liver
> and kidnies have shut down and are on ventilators.  Nurses who have gone
> home, adhered to all the protocols of  isolation given to them at
> the time,
> have given it to their loved ones and extended families.
> Although they were
> young enough to recover, some of their families are the ones
> hanging on by a
> thread.
>
> A lot can be said about getting these people onto natural remedies but
> current legislation is preventing visitors from adequately visiting their
> loved ones to administer any kind of alternative therapy.  Right now, one
> person is being allowed in once a day to see an immediate
> relative only who
> is in critical care.  At our hospital, a security guard walks the
> visitor up
> to the patient's room and when they finished visiting, they are
> escorted by
> guard back to the entrance of the hospital. The security guards don't have
> guns here in Canada but you can be sure that will not be the case in every
> jurisdiction. Anyone not considered critical or dying is being denied
> visitors of any kind.  So for those folks who are saying " get
> them on this
> and get them on that" , it is not always possible and it's unfair to say
> they should when they can not.  It only makes the families feel guilty and
> worsens the situtation.  They would do better to get together in
> groups and
> pray for their loved ones.  People can relate their aetheism but when a
> loved one is on death's door, many people turn to prayer or to
> the power and
> authority of the intended spoken word if one wishes to call it that and
> favourable results are often obtained.
>
> Every day, there are new isolation regulations for nurses to adhere to as
> they say they find out new things about its spread. Yesterday we used one
> method, today we are using a new method and tomorrow it may be different
> again.  We are left to wonder about the four weeks when we didn't use the
> method we are going to use tomorrow - if you catch the drift of it.
>
> Interestingly enough, there are more SARS cases in the USA than in Canada
> and there have been for several days.  Why are we not seeing this in the
> news?  Why are we not hearing what US cities have these patients like we
> hear every day in Canada?  Why is Canada being targeted?  Why is Toronto
> being targeted?  It is to further cripple airline, bus and train
> companies,
> to further restrict the freedom to travel and to further restrict other
> rights and freedoms?  Is it a long range plan to introduce yet another
> contaminated vaccine for mass innoculation? These are questions
> that beg to
> be answered.  See.
> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/pphb-dgspsp/sars-sras/eu-ae/sars20030418_e.
html#inter
national  Here you will find current international figures for SARS cases.
As of today Singapore has more cases and more deaths than Canada.  Why
aren't we hearing about this on our news when it is there on our government
web site infront of God and everyone?

Just blowing off some steam here.  I just spent 13 hours caring for a SARS
patient in intensive care.  Incidently, 45 of my  collegues got hit with it,
16 of whom I worked with directly during the period of getting it. When the
SARS didn't kill them, the drugs nearly did.  Just about all who were
hospitalized came home severely depressed, anemic, weak and short of breath.
I didn't get it  -  but, I'm tired, worn out and even when I get rest from a
few days off, it only takes a day or two at work to get tired out again.

Hope this is informative and lends some credibility to the illness.

Ian



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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Paula,


   You said:

<>


  SARS can be carried in droplets.  One would expel these when exhaling.
Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it.

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[sol]

Well, but I don't get that, why it would? I mean, the nebulizer I have is
designed to be held with the lips around it just like an inhaler, one holds
it there and breathes in through the mouth (closed around nebulizer tube)
and out through the nose. Presumably the people getting meds via inhaler
still breath out, etc, etc. I must be missing something about the particular
type of nebulizing they are concerned about? In observing my mother use her
inhaler meds, she, in fact, used to do a pretty good out breath after the
large inhale required, so she would have been huffing those SARS germs out
really well.
paula
- Original Message - >
>
>   Risk of spreading it further.
>
> C





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Re: CS>microgram and millagram

[Casbah]

That doesn't surprise me at all for some strange reason..

Frank Key wrote:

> In the scientific and engineering world, the Greek symbol "mu" written as
> the symbol "µ" is a prefix for micro (one millionth or 10^-6). This is
> internationally accepted notation.
>
> However, the U.S. FDA does not recognize  "µg" to mean micrograms. The FDA
> insists that "mcg" be used to express micrograms and "mg" be used for
> milligrams on product labels.
>
> We learned this the hard way after printing 60,000 product labels that used
> "µg" to mean micrograms.
>
> Internationally recognized standards of scientific notation are not
> acceptable to the U.S. FDA.
>
> frank key
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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

<>


  Risk of spreading it further.

C


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[alltogethernow]

I've been sick with something for the last 3 days akin to the symptoms
of sars, however, I'm assuming it's the flu or strep throat or such;
anyway, when I nebulize CS, the symptoms subside, so much so that on the
second day I felt good enough to lift weights, thinking I had kicked it,
but the next day it is back with a vengeance.
 Just finished 2 sessions, along with 2 kinds of zappers, and the
symptoms are diminished again, but not gone.
 At any rate, it's probably a good idea (for me) to self treat, and
avoid places like hospitals and drs offices. 
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Re: CS>natural-immunogenics

[Frank Key]

This a company that produces an ionic silver solution and calls it colloidal
silver, like many others.

They claim the product is "made in a laboratory dedicated to colloidal
silver technology", but they are not making colloidal silver, they are
making ionic silver, which is not the same thing.

This company makes up scientific sounding technical words that have no known
definition to describe their product. They claim their product "possess
energia".

They do not define the term on their website and if asked for a definition
by e-mail they refuse to answer. This practice is what many refer to as
"techno-babble", making up technical sounding words to impress the
non-technical reading public.

They further claim their product contains "completely transformed elemental
silver, free ions of 46 electron silver...", in other words ionic silver.
More techno-babble instead of just saying this is an ionic silver solution.

Techno-babble is one form of deception in advertising and is a tactic
frequently employed by shyster companies who are trying to sell an otherwise
undistinguished product.

If this was a reputable company selling a legitimate product why would they
use make believe words to technically describe their product?

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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[sol]

I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread.
Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS?
paula
- Original Message -
From: "C Creel" 
>Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would
the
> options be to get CS to the lungs?





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Re: CS>DMSO

[Ode Coyote]

www.DMSO.com

Local vet or farm supply place

Several old time country general stores way out in sticksville with a sign 
"We have DMSO" in the window.


ken


At 06:36 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

I know I could search the archives. I'm sorry for asking but I need DMSO 
at the cheapest but purest quality. And the place with the fastest 
delivery. My face is in need. Please help me find it. And if anyone can 
tell me if this will work topically and internally for the benefit of my 
face. The rest of my body can rot in hell I just want my face back. Will a 
mix with DMSO and CS benefit my face if taken internally. I have heard 
good things topically but I want to knock this out with a 1, 2 punch and 
kick and an atom bomb if available. If anyone on this list sells it just 
tell me I don't care if you get a profit from it, affiliated whatever I 
just need this as fast as can be. I will search the archives as I wait for 
a reply, but if any one can speed up my search, please do. I will owe you 
my life not that it's worth anything.


Jay


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Dave,

  You said:

<>


  **  The problem is it is pure speculation.  We can't yet say that CS
works until it works.  In the meantime, to nebulize could be spreading it.

  Currently, all breathing treatments are being done with inhalers for this
reason.

Regards,
Catherine

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>Wires left in water?

[Ode Coyote]

 As long as there is zero current flowing, I don't see any reason to, or 
not to ,keep silver wires in distilled water.

ken

At 10:41 AM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Hi everyone I am new to the list and Im not sure how to continue the 
thread of my original question, however it was about the liftime of silver 
wires and CS quality if they are left in too long.  I was told that silver 
wires could be left in distilled water when not brewing, what are some of 
your thoughts?


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RE: CS>Fwd: SARS Quiz: Test Your Level of Intelligence

[Ode Coyote]

 Yup. You got the idea.
 The human race could lose a heat or too just because the race track isn't 
all too safe.

 SARS just might have originated in hospitals.
ken

At 12:17 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Here's a dilemma: IF hospitalization is needed and IF hospitals are breeding
grounds for resistant strains of germs - what then.

ed kasper lac santa cruz, ca.

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 6:34 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: SARS Quiz: Test Your Level of Intelligence



   The question that counts is the comparative kill rate of SARS vs common
flu.
  So far, about one in ten people don't survive SARS..and that with extreme
medical intervention.
If SARS becomes as common as common flu, does that amount to a 10%
population reduction?

  If 3,600,000 people hit the emergency room ...just here in the USA ...and
go straight to intensive care every year..and survival depends on
respirators and such for a fair period of time, what then?
The death rate could be a LOT higher without treatment.
...AND  SARS appears to be a lot more contagious. [sp?]
  CONSERVATIVELY speaking... What if as many people come down with SARS as
comes down with flu every year? [Odds are that the numbers will be much
higher]
  If 3,600 die of common flu, how many don't die?  I'll bet the kill rate
is a lot less than 10%

How many people survive without medical intervention?  I don't think they
know as virtually every case they know about, they know about because it
showed up in the hospital and was diagnosed...and was treated... with some
difficulty at that.
But the odds don't look good...maybe as 'bad' as 10%?



The danger has been much understated.
  Back in the early 1900s was it?  A  mere flu reduced the populations of
several countries, including the USA,  by 30%. No one wants to remember
those bad old days so you don't hear much about it...but it happened.
  It's probably why WW1 ended when it did. Virtually everyone got too sick
to fight and that particular bug probably killed more soldiers than all the
gassing.
Ken



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CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Dan Nave]

Why wouldn't nebulizing with CS be OK?  Each droplet of mist is saturated with 
CS.  If it will kill the pathogen in the lungs it will kill it in the droplet 
in the air so any mist breathed out would be sterile.  Or is this not the issue?

you wrote:
CS>A question for the scientifically inclined
From: C Creel (view other messages by this author) 
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:23:23 



Dear Scientifically Inclined List Mates ;-),



Please search your brains.  Did I see somewhere that CS works on small
envelope proteins?

If so, where did I see it?  Dare I push this any further and ask about spike
glycoproteins, and the nucleocapside proteins?


   Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would the
options be to get CS to the lungs?

Thanks in advance for all responses.

Regards,
Catherine

Re: CS>SARS Canada

[C Creel]

Dear Laura,


  You said:

<< Thank you very much for this information.  I don't know why the coverage
of
US cases is so inadequate.  I would very much like to know more about where
SARS is hitting here.>>


   Ask and you shall receive :-)


   ( Total cases   Suspect Cases Probable Cases)

Alabama   1  1   0
Arizona 1  1   0
Arkansas  1   1   0
California  49 35   14
Colorado   97 2
Connecticut 5  4  1
Florida   1514 1
Georgia   3  3  0
Hawaii5   3  2
Illinois13 12 1
Indiana1   1 0
Kansas2   1 1
Kentucky 2   1 1
Maine  2   20
Massachusetts12   11   1
Michigan  3 3   0
Minnesota7 7   0
Mississippi   2 1   1
Missouri   2 2   0
Nevada2 2   0
New Hampshire11   0
New Jersey   32   1
New Mexico 1 0  1
New York28  23  5
North Carolina   66   0
Ohio  11 10  1
Oregon   11  0
Pennsylvania   8 7  1
Rhode Island  1 1  0
South Carolina22   0
Texas 77   0
Utah   76   1
Vermont 22   0
Virginia7   4   3
Washington  23 22 1
Wisconsin 1   1  0

 Total   247   20839


   This means that 208 are suspicious while 39 are more than likely SARS.
The majority of these 39 cases are in California and New York

Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>Fwd: SARS Quiz: Test Your Level of Intelligence

[Ode Coyote]

WW1 is imfamous for the use of mustard gas, chlorine gas and the beginnings 
of nerve agents.  The mayhem was directly responsible for that genre to be 
banned by the Geneva Convention.

ken

At 09:14 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

Ode Coyote wrote:

>
>   It's probably why WW1 ended when it did. Virtually everyone got too sick
> to fight and that particular bug probably killed more soldiers than all the
> gassing.
> Ken

They did gassing in WW1 also?

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Re: CS>SARS Canada

[Sammark4]

Ian,

  Thank you very much for this information.  I don't know why the coverage of 
US cases is so inadequate.  I would very much like to know more about where 
SARS is hitting here.

  You have given us insights we couldn't get anywhere else.  Thanks again.

Laura

In a message dated 4/24/03 9:23:17 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ian_onta...@hotmail.com writes:

> Hi:
>  
>  According to a scientist yesterday in Winnipeg, where the Canadian
>  equivalent to the CDC is, in 40% of SARS patients, he can find no virus.  
He
>  stated that he is not sure that the corona virus acutally causes the
>  disease.  Apparently they are still researching this and the book has not
>  been written yet.


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Re: CS>microgram and millagram

[Frank Key]

In the scientific and engineering world, the Greek symbol "mu" written as
the symbol "µ" is a prefix for micro (one millionth or 10^-6). This is
internationally accepted notation.

However, the U.S. FDA does not recognize  "µg" to mean micrograms. The FDA
insists that "mcg" be used to express micrograms and "mg" be used for
milligrams on product labels.

We learned this the hard way after printing 60,000 product labels that used
"µg" to mean micrograms.

Internationally recognized standards of scientific notation are not
acceptable to the U.S. FDA.


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Re: CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[Robert Berger]

Catherine,

Personally I think the statement made earlier by the "authorities" that
nebulizing would increase  the danger of disease spread. I guess the SARS people
should stop breathing.

When I nebulize I continue breathing or should I just stop?? :-)

I don't want to contemplate the alternative!

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Re: CS>DMSO

[Robert Berger]

Jan,
All DMSO is 99.9% plus diluted with 10% DW.

Call vet. supply store.

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Re: CS>Re:CS and Diabetes

[C Creel]

Dear John,


  I think this is a well-balanced presentation on Vanadium.

http://www.diabetesnet.com/vanad.php

Regards,
Catherine








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CS>A question for the scientifically inclined

[C Creel]

Dear Scientifically Inclined List Mates ;-),



Please search your brains.  Did I see somewhere that CS works on small
envelope proteins?

If so, where did I see it?  Dare I push this any further and ask about spike
glycoproteins, and the nucleocapside proteins?


   Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would the
options be to get CS to the lungs?

Thanks in advance for all responses.

Regards,
Catherine




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Re: CS>Re:CS and Diabetes

[mamapug]

  Sorry, I forgot to list the URL>
   http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts58.html- 

  John

Dear John, You expect me to believe the govenrment???
I take 10 micrograms  a day. The body uses it to produce insulin. It isn`t 
in the soils as they are depleted, thus the dramatic rise in diabetes.
I trust CS and I trust vanadium.
Marshalee

Re: CS>CS and aloe vera

[Maja Hristozova]

Yes, 
I have used Aloe vera leaves when I had sunburn. It
was fun. I cut a leaf, opened it, drank the gel (which
is also very healing and help putting weight as well
:) and used the leaves on my skin.

Maia


--- cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> Great stuff.
> It's healing, too!
> 
>   Chuck
> Frogs are smart--they eat what bugs them 
> 
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:27:03 -0700 (PDT), jay ice
>  wrote:
> 
> >Someone recomended me using aloe vera to moisturize
> my face so the CS would have a much better
> penetration. So I used aloe from an aloe vera plant,
> unprocessed just pure aloe vera, will this be
> sufficient to moisturize my face?
> >
> >Jay
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Ohhh my god...DMSO...

[Roman]

--- Jay Ice  wrote:
> Thanks to all for the response, DMSO.com seems to be winning
> popularity. 

I think that if you consider the S/H costs, the final price will be
about what you'd pay in a health food store.

> Henneke I know I want a cure over
> night and it doesn't work that way but damn a couple years isn't
> over night why doesn't that seem to count? 

Because you weren't addressing the root cause. I know it's hard to
understand for some.

> How come us humans who are so much smarter and so much more complex
>can't beat a damn single celled organism? 

First of all, you shouldn't view bacteria as a single cell organism.
You are not dealing with just one bacterium. It's a whole population
of many organisms that exchange information to adapt to new
environment.

Secondly, pimples do NOT start with bacteria but sebum secretion that
is out of control. Bacteria only eat the food you give them. With
this in mind, does killing the bacteria still appear a sensible
approach to treating acne to you?

>Why are so many questions unable to be answered.!

And we tend to ignore some important answers because they challenge
our current model of the world.

>... maybe I should stop my life isn't as bad as it could be I could
>have a missing limb or I could be faced with death daily in Iraq. 

Hmm... how one small punctuation sign can change the meaning of a
sentence... At first, it might seem that you said you are thinking of
stopping your life...

Roman

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