date:20031020

I'm sorry but I don't agree. I'd rather drink 2 litres of a stronger product
than 4 litres of a lesser product.

regards

Mike

-Original Message-
From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


If 2 liters @10 ppm isn't doing the job, instead of spending money on a
different device why don't you just drink 
more?  The net result is the same...more silver into your system.

Regards,
George




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Re: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Hi,

Start here:

http://www2.ktarn.or.jp/~o-ring/engindex.html


JBB




On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 02:23 Asia/Tokyo, Mary Lou Borgert wrote:

on 10/17/03 5:38 AM, Jonathan B. Britten at 
jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp

wrote:
DEAR JJB.
SOME TIME AGO I EAR MARKED THE OMURA PAGE BUT I NOW CANNOT FIND IT. I 
WENT
ON THE Y OMURA SITE OR THE O-RING SITE BUT THERE IS ONLY INFORMATION 
ON THE
UPCOMING MEETINGS. COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE THE THE SITE ADDRESS? AS I 
HAVE A
FRIEND WHO WAS JUST DIAGNOSED WITH LEVEL 3 BREAST CANCER AND I 
REMEMBER DR

OMURA HAD SOME KIND OF PROTOCAL WITH CANCER.
DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION AS TO HOW TO HELP HER IF THEY CANNOT DO
SURGERY?
THANKS
MB

You may wish to study the drug uptake enhancement methods of Y. Omura,
MD.   It is possible to use electrical stimulation,  lasers, chi gong,
or simple massage to get drugs to go to areas of infection.   A good
CAM doctor could help,  or you can get self-educated online.  The
International Bi-Digital O-Ring Society has extensive information.
My layman's hunch is that the Beck protocol also works quite well.
There may be other simple, effective methods.   Bottom line:  the
problem of medicine not getting where it should go is well known to
Omura and his disciples.

JBB








On Friday, Oct 17, 2003, at 20:57 Asia/Tokyo, David Bearrow wrote:


One thing I have found that when colloidal silver doesn't seem to be
as effective for me I take selenium supplements and it seems to 
really

do something to my body allowing the silver to be more effective.

At 04:39 AM 10/17/03, you wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll definitely try the Gatoraid. I have
a very
annoying bacterial infection which my CS is just not touching. I've
been
drinking 2 litres a day of 10-12ppm for over two weeks and I feel
that the
CS is holding it at bay but is far from curing it. I'm thinking that
either
the strength of the CS in ppm is not adequate (and I've just ordered
a well
known generator that makes 24ppm perfectly clear CS to address this)
or the
CS is not getting to where it's needed hence the need for some sort
circulatory enhancer. I was also thinking of cayenne pepper. Has
anyone ever
tried this?

Thanks

Mike S

-Original Message-
From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Hi Michael,
Being a U of F Florida Gator, I really appreciate Jack's suggestion 
of

Gatoraid. I would also suggest that you try a smaller quantity of
H2O2 3%;
such as, 1 or 2 drops to a quart CS (I use 4 cc H2O2 3% per quart).
For a
long time, I added nothing to my CS (which I made with only Pure
Silver,
Pure Steam Distilled Water and low voltage and all users found that
very
effective). Then I read Jason's statement that the H2O2 really
compounds the
germ-killing power of CS, so I added H2O2 and the taste did indeed
change,
but not too much. If that's too distasteful for you, then Go 
Gators!

and
use their Gatoraid, and they and I will thank you!
Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:28 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Smith, Michael   10/16/03 8:18 AM  Wrote:


I've been reading a lot about how H202 added to CS enhances the
effectiveness of the CS. Could the same be true for a stabilised

oygen
product? ie. I would normally dilute some drops of stabilised 
liquid

oxygen

in water if I put this into CS would it also enhace the

effectiveness of
CS

or be detrimental in some way? The reason I ask is because I just

can't

stand the taste of H202! Any responses would be appreciated.

***
Hi Mike,

before you try something so exotic to
enhance the effectiveness of CS,
you might want to try Gatoraid -
check out the archives for the
discussions.

Jack

Be Nice


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Re: CSRe: About a extraordinary experiment

Please do a 3rd experiment. Use the same glass container, fill it with the 
same source of distilled water and let it sit for 7 days. Put nothing in 
the water (no silver rods or anything). Then check the conductivity after 7 
days. This will show if your getting impurities added via the air.


At 01:57 AM 10/20/03, you wrote:

Hi:

Experiment #1, Posted before said:

The positive  silver electrode is introduced into a  DW container,
300cc, the other is outside the glass container.

DW measures 1.0 u Siemens Voltage = 34V supply: Sota constant current set 
a 1mA.
After 2 days, 2.4uS After 5 days, 14.0 uS and a heaviest, by far, Tyndall 
I  have ever seen.
The final product have zero taste. The electrodes have no darkening or 
coating what so ever.

There was no sediments.
The container was glass 2 in diameter by 7.5 high
Electrodes 12 Ga, 5.5 sum merged.
The voltage stay constant at 34V, there was no measurable current.

This experiment was performed on a glass container, with electrodes, that 
were previously used (4 times) to make CS.


The enormous Tyndall was due , in - today's- my opinion to:
The release of silver particles from the container walls.
Since silver clusters seem to be formed from several silver molecules so 
arranged as to present a negative charge to the outside world, when a 
positive charged electrode is introduced in the water, the particles 
trapped in the wall get released.
For the high conductivity exhibited in that experiment I have no guess at 
this time.


Experiment #2

Electrode: 6 feet long coiled on a 4 inches tight coil, wiped with clean 
paper towel and rinsed twice  with DW. Never used before.


Container : Glass 4 diameter, 4 deep, never used before.

PS: 58 V Wall wart. no second electrode anywhere.

Staring conductivity = 1.0 uS
1 day  = 1.7 uS
3 days = 2.4
5 days = 3.3 uS
7 days = 3.8 uS
The meter was cleaned in DW before measurements.
Very slight Tyndall in a dark room was noticed.
There was no sediments, taste or change in the electrodes.

This is not a very impressive show but the change in conductivity , still, 
must be explained without invoking  Faraday or any electromagnetic 
phenomenon, since a microamp meter was connected from the electrode to the 
glass and no current was  registered.


This of course has no use as CS production goes, perhaps it can be used to 
clean container without solvents or touching them.
Further investigations may help to answer some of the very perplexing 
questions found in the production of CS.

Regards

Peter R



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CSlost message

Good day to you Mr. Marshalee!
I appreciate highly your down-to-earth and pracical approach of the different 
topics that come forward in this forum. 
You sent me a message yesterday, which I lost even before having been able to 
read it. Flick! Back into cyberspace.
Would you care to send it again please?
Thank you
Faith

CSCS for relief

Bill R wrote:

Colloidal silver (lots of it - - 20 to 100 ppm, - - made by using only 
steam distilled water and a low voltage colloidal silver generator 
= 26 to 36 volts D.C. current=)  plus urine therapy

well, we are anxiously waitng for the CS to come .. I have not been able to put 
together the machine for I can get nowhere .. everybody here is enjoying free 
days. So we ordered from my wife's teacher, and a good friend, in Medellín
Thanks for sharing
Faith

CSmicrophobia

Frank wrote:
There is something I notice in your messages (and many others) which is 
something like microbephobia, 

No, Frank I have no microphobia. I do agree with the remainder of your message. 
(Although for NOTHING concerning an operation)
Take care.
Faith.

CSflu

Thank you Peter
FSF

CSflu and CS

Thanks, Bill, 
Notwithstanding my condition I think we'll mount the car and see if any 
chemist's that is open has CS for sale.
Faith

RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day! 

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently 

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just trying to
come to an informed solution to my problem.

regards

Mike


-Original Message-
From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


The only thing you are drinking more of is ... water.  The amount of silver
(in this hypothetical example) would be 
roughly the same.  Why are you assuming that 10 ppm is in any way lesser
than 20 ppm except in the gross 
amount of silver present?  The ppm value is only a ratio of silver to water.

Regards,
George

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:19:05 +0100, Smith, Michael wrote:

I'm sorry but I don't agree. I'd rather drink 2 litres of a stronger
product
than 4 litres of a lesser product.

regards

Mike





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RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial infection is??  This 
may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at bay.
 
I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to 
complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural anti-bacterial
 
RC

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From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?



Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do 
not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then 
having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver 
against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded 
that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided 
optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part 
bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would 
then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough 
to
totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink 
CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so 
possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have 
read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just trying 
to
come to an informed solution to my problem.

regards

Mike


-Original Message-
From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


The only thing you are drinking more of is ... water.  The amount of 
silver
(in this hypothetical example) would be
roughly the same.  Why are you assuming that 10 ppm is in any way 
lesser
than 20 ppm except in the gross
amount of silver present?  The ppm value is only a ratio of silver to 
water.

Regards,
George

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:19:05 +0100, Smith, Michael wrote:

I'm sorry but I don't agree. I'd rather drink 2 litres of a stronger
product
than 4 litres of a lesser product.

regards

Mike





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Re: CSRe: About a extraordinary experiment

Peter Rebaudo wrote:

 Hi:

 Experiment #2

 Electrode: 6 feet long coiled on a 4 inches tight coil, wiped with clean
 paper towel and rinsed twice  with DW. Never used before.

 Container : Glass 4 diameter, 4 deep, never used before.

 PS: 58 V Wall wart. no second electrode anywhere.

 Staring conductivity = 1.0 uS
 1 day  = 1.7 uS
 3 days = 2.4
 5 days = 3.3 uS
 7 days = 3.8 uS
 The meter was cleaned in DW before measurements.
 Very slight Tyndall in a dark room was noticed.
 There was no sediments, taste or change in the electrodes.

 This is not a very impressive show but the change in conductivity ,
 still, must be explained without invoking  Faraday or any
 electromagnetic phenomenon, since a microamp meter was connected from
 the electrode to the glass and no current was  registered.

Check the pH.  I suspect is is absorption of CO2 and NO and NO2 making
carbonic acid, nitric acid and nitrous acid. A ph below 7 would substantiate
this.

Marshall


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Re: CSRe: About a extraordinary experiment

I agree. Any experiment such as this should have a control, and what you say
would be the control needed.  They should really be run together, the air
quality can vary signinficantly over time, so running then sequentially could
result in a false positive or negative.

Marshall

David Bearrow wrote:

 Please do a 3rd experiment. Use the same glass container, fill it with the
 same source of distilled water and let it sit for 7 days. Put nothing in
 the water (no silver rods or anything). Then check the conductivity after 7
 days. This will show if your getting impurities added via the air.

 At 01:57 AM 10/20/03, you wrote:
 Hi:
 
 Experiment #1, Posted before said:
 
 The positive  silver electrode is introduced into a  DW container,
 300cc, the other is outside the glass container.
 
 DW measures 1.0 u Siemens Voltage = 34V supply: Sota constant current set
 a 1mA.
 After 2 days, 2.4uS After 5 days, 14.0 uS and a heaviest, by far, Tyndall
 I  have ever seen.
 The final product have zero taste. The electrodes have no darkening or
 coating what so ever.
 There was no sediments.
 The container was glass 2 in diameter by 7.5 high
 Electrodes 12 Ga, 5.5 sum merged.
 The voltage stay constant at 34V, there was no measurable current.
 
 This experiment was performed on a glass container, with electrodes, that
 were previously used (4 times) to make CS.
 
 The enormous Tyndall was due , in - today's- my opinion to:
 The release of silver particles from the container walls.
 Since silver clusters seem to be formed from several silver molecules so
 arranged as to present a negative charge to the outside world, when a
 positive charged electrode is introduced in the water, the particles
 trapped in the wall get released.
 For the high conductivity exhibited in that experiment I have no guess at
 this time.
 
 Experiment #2
 
 Electrode: 6 feet long coiled on a 4 inches tight coil, wiped with clean
 paper towel and rinsed twice  with DW. Never used before.
 
 Container : Glass 4 diameter, 4 deep, never used before.
 
 PS: 58 V Wall wart. no second electrode anywhere.
 
 Staring conductivity = 1.0 uS
 1 day  = 1.7 uS
 3 days = 2.4
 5 days = 3.3 uS
 7 days = 3.8 uS
 The meter was cleaned in DW before measurements.
 Very slight Tyndall in a dark room was noticed.
 There was no sediments, taste or change in the electrodes.
 
 This is not a very impressive show but the change in conductivity , still,
 must be explained without invoking  Faraday or any electromagnetic
 phenomenon, since a microamp meter was connected from the electrode to the
 glass and no current was  registered.
 
 This of course has no use as CS production goes, perhaps it can be used to
 clean container without solvents or touching them.
 Further investigations may help to answer some of the very perplexing
 questions found in the production of CS.
 Regards
 
 Peter R
 

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Re: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Smith, Michael wrote:

 Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
 want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
 run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

 Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
 bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
 a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
 required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
 colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
 efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
 water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
 start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
 situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
 which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
 totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
 with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
 completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
 I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

That is odd. The tests I am aware of indicated that CS in the range of 3 to 5
ppm was most effective, and that once you get to 10 or above the effectiveness
drops off rather significantly as the ppm and particle size increases.

Marshall


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Re: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Supplement with cranberry juice.

Marshall

Smith, Michael wrote:

  Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.Mike

  -Original Message-
  From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

  Michael-If you don't mind can you let us know where the
  bacterial infection is??  This may help explain why it is
  only keeping the infection at bay. I would look at including
  Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to complement your
  CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural
  anti-bacterial RC

   -Original Message-
   From: Smith, Michael
   [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com]
   Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM
   To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
   Cc:
   Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised
   oxygen?
Well first of all there is the sheer volume of
   water. I personally do not
   want to spend all day drinking litres and litres
   of water and then having to
   run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

   Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of
   colloidal silver against
   bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current
   infection) and concluded that
   a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part
   bacteria-laden water is
   required for colloidal silver to be effective in
   reducing the bacteria
   colony count to one. He further concluded that a
   20:1 ratio provided optimum
   efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS
   to 1 part bacteria-laden
   water and the bacteria colony would not be killed
   off totally and would then
   start to multiply again. So what I conclude from
   this in my current
   situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS
   for the last two + weeks
   which has done nothing but keep the infection
   where it is is not enough to
   totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it
   is that I can drink CS
   with a higher ppm (of course the best quality,
   smallest particles,
   completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of
   the same CS.
   I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the
   same volume because:

   1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for
   me

   2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce
   the bacterial colony
   sufficiently

   3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected
   area anyway so possibly
   drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down
   there to do the job.

   This is just my view based on what I am
   experiencing and what I have read.
   I'm not saying anything is better than anything
   else - I am just trying to
   come to an informed solution to my problem.

   regards

   Mike


   -Original Message-
   From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net]
   Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised
   oxygen?


   The only thing you are drinking more of is ...
   water.  The amount of silver
   (in this hypothetical example) would be
   roughly the same.  Why are you assuming that 10
   ppm is in any way lesser
   than 20 ppm except in the gross
   amount of silver present?  The ppm value is only a
   ratio of silver to water.

   Regards,
   George

   On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:19:05 +0100, Smith, Michael
   wrote:

   I'm sorry but I don't agree. I'd rather drink 2
   litres of a stronger
   product
   than 4 litres of a lesser product.
   
   regards
   
   Mike
   




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CSColor of silver sols

The following information is from Light-Scattering Submircorsopic particles as
Highly Fluorescent Analogs and Their Use as Tracer labels in Clinical and
Biuological Applications by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E. Yguerabide, 
Depart
of biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California 92093.
Analytical Biochemnistry 262, pages 157-176 (1998)..  Articles number AB982760.

Silver Sols (colloidal silver):

DiameterTransmissionScattered LightAbsorb. wave max (nm)
Scattered
wave max
38   YellowBlue violet
431465
47   YellowBlue
440472
60   YellowLight Blue
449474
75Gold  Green Blue465
90Pink   Yellow
488572
118  Pink   Yellow
527575
144  BrownPale Yellow
575590

This will be followed by 3 emails.

1. Silver spectral absortion for silver sols, unnormalized
2. Silver spectral absorption for silver sols, smaller particles normalized.
3. Gold spectral absorption for gold sols, normalized.

Marshall


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CSSilver absorption curves vs size normalized

Here is the second graph.

Marshall
inline: Silver2.gif

CSGold absorption vs particle size

Here is the 3rd graph, of a gold sol.

Marshall
inline: Gold.gif

RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Thanks, Mike.  Are you willing to try anything else to complement your CS 
regimen??
 
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that the CS is not getting 
to the infection.  It can't kill what it doesn't come in contact with.  I think 
I might have said this before, but I had cold sores for the longest time.  I 
can't remember when I didn't get them.  I ran into CS about a year and a half 
ago.  It has been great for me and the people around who are willing to try 
something 'new'.  Literally everyone who I make some for has been sick free 
since beginning CS.  It is amazing stuff.  But I would still get cold sores 
every few weeks or so.  I started using the terminator zapper around the middle 
of august and I haven't had a cold sore since.  I haven't changed anything else 
in my daily routine, but I use the terminator zapper.  This is my own story 
that I figured I would share with you
 
So I would add 2 things to your CS intake:Grapefruit seed extract ($20 or so at 
local health food store) and wear the terminator zapper ($110 online) as many 
hours of the day as you can.  It is easy to wear.
 
Let me know if you would like more info.  Good luck and I hope this helps.
Rob

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:37 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Yes Rob - 
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial 
infection is??  This may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at 
bay.
 
I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your 
regimen to complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural 
anti-bacterial
 
RC

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?



Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I 
personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of 
water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of 
colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current 
infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part 
bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in 
reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 
ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 
part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off 
totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this 
in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the 
last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it 
is is not enough to
totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is 
that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest 
particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the 
same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same 
volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the 
bacterial colony
sufficiently

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area 
anyway so possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there 
to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing 
and what I have read.
I'm not saying anything is better

Re: CSbladder infection

Charles Sutton wrote:

 Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.MikeWhat I would try is using a turkey
 baster, fill the bladder with CS, and hold it for 6 min.

How the heck do you do that?  Can this be done by males, females, or
both?

You can email me all list if you like.

Marshall

CSSilver absorption curves vs size

My first attempt for the first graph was kicked out by the email server, I
guess it was too large. I have reduced the size by 50% and hopefully this one
will go through now.

First Graph (actually 2 graphs).

Marshall
inline: Silver1_small.gif

CSbladder infection

Yes Rob - 

It's Gonorrhea.

Mike
What I would try is using a turkey baster, fill the bladder with CS, and hold 
it for 6 min.  I know when I was in the service in the middle 50's oral meds 
did nothing.  They used what they called a pro pak which was a toothpaste 
tube like delivery system for getting it straight into the urethra and bladder. 
  That worked.

CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

2003-10-20 Thread Smith , Michael

Yes Rob - 
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial infection is??
This may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at bay.
 
I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to
complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural anti-bacterial
 
RC

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?



Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just trying to
come to an informed solution to my problem.

regards

Mike


-Original Message-
From: George [ mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net ]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


The only thing you are drinking more of is ... water.  The amount of silver
(in this hypothetical example) would be
roughly the same.  Why are you assuming that 10 ppm is in any way lesser
than 20 ppm except in the gross
amount of silver present?  The ppm value is only a ratio of silver to water.

Regards,
George

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:19:05 +0100, Smith, Michael wrote:

I'm sorry but I don't agree. I'd rather drink 2 litres of a stronger
product
than 4 litres of a lesser product.

regards

Mike





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CSBladder infection

My direct mail gets rejected, so have to answer to the list.   Mike; do a 
google search for d-mannose. 10 to 50 times stronger than Cranberry.  Here is 
the way it is supposed to work:
Much in the same way cranberry works, ClearTract(brand of d-mannose) interferes 
with the ability for bacteria to cling to the urinary tract lining, this is 
sometimes called the anti-adherence effect ClearTract is the most potent 
anti-adherence compound for the urinary tract known and accomplishes more 
than cranberry has ever been able to achieve. use http://www.froogle.google.com 
to search for a good price.

Re: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

For gonorhea I wouldn't mess around. Get yourself to a doctor quickly and get 
some antibiotics prescribed to you!

Smith, Michael m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com wrote:Thanks Rob for the suggestions.
 
I'm actually in the process of ordering some GSE as well as some Olive leaf 
Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. If the CS, OLE, GSE 
combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the terminator
 
Thanks again
 
Mike
 
-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Thanks, Mike.  Are you willing to try anything else to complement your CS 
regimen??
 
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that the CS is not getting 
to the infection.  It can't kill what it doesn't come in contact with.  I think 
I might have said this before, but I had cold sores for the longest time.  I 
can't remember when I didn't get them.  I ran into CS about a year and a half 
ago.  It has been great for me and the people around who are willing to try 
something 'new'.  Literally everyone who I make some for has been sick free 
since beginning CS.  It is amazing stuff.  But I would still get cold sores 
every few weeks or so.  I started using the terminator zapper around the middle 
of august and I haven't had a cold sore since.  I haven't changed anything else 
in my daily routine, but I use the terminator zapper.  This is my own story 
that I figured I would share with you
 
So I would add 2 things to your CS intake:Grapefruit seed extract ($20 or so at 
local health food store) and wear the terminator zapper ($110 online) as many 
hours of the day as you can.  It is easy to wear.
 
Let me know if you would like more info.  Good luck and I hope this helps.
Rob
-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:37 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Yes Rob - 
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
 
-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial infection is??  This 
may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at bay.
 
I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to 
complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural anti-bacterial
 
RC
-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?



Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just trying to
come to an informed solution to my problem.

regards

Mike


-Original Message-
From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


The only thing you are drinking more of is ... water.  The amount of silver
(in this hypothetical example) would be
roughly the same.  Why are you assuming that 10 ppm is in any way lesser
than 20 ppm except in the gross
amount of silver present?  The ppm value is only a ratio of silver to water.

RE: CSbladder infection

I would like to know, too.  Please share the answer with the list.

-Original Message- 
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:15 AM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: CSbladder infection

Charles Sutton wrote: 

Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.MikeWhat I would try is using a turkey 
baster, fill the bladder with CS, and hold it for 6 min.

How the heck do you do that?  Can this be done by males, females, or 
both? 

You can email me all list if you like. 

Marshall 

winmail.dat

CSBeginner's question

2003-10-20 Thread Trem

Hi Del,

We should have covered this in the phone call when you ordered but I guess
the questions didn't get asked.  You can make it in a quart, half gallon or
gallon glass jar.  The instruction manual will cover these points.

We store in 2 liter soft drink bottle such as clear cola containers.  You
can store in any HDPE or PET or glass container.  We have some that is over
three years old with no sign of degradation and it is in soda bottles.

It is not light sensitive when made correctly which your generator will do.

Dosage is a personal choice and I'm sure the list members will give you lots
of advice.

Best regards,

Trem
www.silvergen.com

- Original Message -
From: Delmont Neroni d...@altsystem.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:58 AM
Subject: [silver_list] CSFw: Beginner's question


   I am about to make my own colloidal silver for the first time.  I am
   expecting a SilverGen SG6 Auto unit to arrive later this week.

   I would just like to ask what kind of jar you use to make it, how you
 store
   it after it is made, and how you dispense it.

   I assume a glass quart jar is best, like a canning jar, but after it is
 made
   can you use a canning jar top to keep it airtight?  And when you
dispense
   it, how do you measure out how much you are taking?  Is it ok to use a
   stainless steel teaspoon or should metals be avoided?

   These things may seem obvious to the experienced, but for a beginner
like
   me, it would be very helpful to get advice from people who already know
 the
   answers.

   Thanks,
   Del





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RE: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Mike-
You are headed down the right path.  The journey may be a bit longer, but your 
body with reap the benefits of it.  Anti-biotics should be an absolutely last 
resort.  They are very harmful to your body.  You seem to understand this and 
that is good.  Please keep in touch with the list and share with us how you are 
doing and what worked and didn't work for you.  I am sure that you will find 
the right combination/application to eradicate the infection.
Cheers,
Rob

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 12:06 PM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


So those people who are battling HIV, Hep C, MS and Cancer etc by 
treating themselves with natural methods are messing around too? I want to beat 
this infection using natural methods without having to resort to anti-biotics 
which have always had a bad effect on me. I think I have that right.
 
regards
 
Mike

-Original Message-
From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised 
oxygen?


For gonorhea I wouldn't mess around. Get yourself to a doctor 
quickly and get some antibiotics prescribed to you!

Smith, Michael m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com wrote: 

Thanks Rob for the suggestions.
 
I'm actually in the process of ordering some GSE as 
well as some Olive leaf Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. 
If the CS, OLE, GSE combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the 
terminator
 
Thanks again
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and 
stabilised oxygen?


Thanks, Mike.  Are you willing to try anything 
else to complement your CS regimen??
 
I think you hit the nail on the head when you 
said that the CS is not getting to the infection.  It can't kill what it 
doesn't come in contact with.  I think I might have said this before, but I had 
cold sores for the longest time.  I can't remember when I didn't get them.  I 
ran into CS about a year and a half ago.  It has been great for me and the 
people around who are willing to try something 'new'.  Literally everyone who I 
make some for has been sick free since beginning CS.  It is amazing stuff.  But 
I would still get cold sores every few weeks or so.  I started using the 
terminator zapper around the middle of august and I haven't had a cold sore 
since.  I haven't changed anything else in my daily routine, but I use the 
terminator zapper.  This is my own story that I figured I would share with 
you
 
So I would add 2 things to your CS 
intake:Grapefruit seed extract ($20 or so at local health food store) and wear 
the terminator zapper ($110 online) as many hours of the day as you can.  It is 
easy to wear.
 
Let me know if you would like more info.  Good 
luck and I hope this helps.
Rob

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael 
[mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:37 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and 
stabilised oxygen?


Yes Rob - 
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis 
[mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]

CSFw: CSbladder infection


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Sutton 
To: Marshall Dudley 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: CSbladder infection


I have done it on myself.  Just draw the cs into the baster, hold the end to 
the end of the penis tight so it will not leak and squeeze.  You can feel it 
when it goes into the bladder.   feels strange but does not hurt at all.  Makes 
you have to pee right away though. have to be tough to hold it for six minutes!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: CSbladder infection


  Charles Sutton wrote: 
Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.MikeWhat I would try is using a turkey baster, 
fill the bladder with CS, and hold it for 6 min.
  How the heck do you do that?  Can this be done by males, females, or both? 
  You can email me all list if you like. 

  Marshall

RE: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

There is a big difference between gonorhea and HIV, Hep C, MS and Cancer. 
Gonorhea is treatable with antibiotics. Modern medicine has no cure for HIV, 
Hep C, MS and Cancer and that justifies the use of alternative therapies. You 
could cure your gonorhea with antibiotics.

Smith, Michael m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com wrote:So those people who are 
battling HIV, Hep C, MS and Cancer etc by treating themselves with natural 
methods are messing around too? I want to beat this infection using natural 
methods without having to resort to anti-biotics which have always had a bad 
effect on me. I think I have that right.
 
regards
 
Mike
-Original Message-
From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


For gonorhea I wouldn't mess around. Get yourself to a doctor quickly and get 
some antibiotics prescribed to you!

Smith, Michael m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com wrote: Thanks Rob for the 
suggestions.
 
I'm actually in the process of ordering some GSE as well as some Olive leaf 
Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. If the CS, OLE, GSE 
combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the terminator
 
Thanks again
 
Mike
 
-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Thanks, Mike.  Are you willing to try anything else to complement your CS 
regimen??
 
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that the CS is not getting 
to the infection.  It can't kill what it doesn't come in contact with.  I think 
I might have said this before, but I had cold sores for the longest time.  I 
can't remember when I didn't get them.  I ran into CS about a year and a half 
ago.  It has been great for me and the people around who are willing to try 
something 'new'.  Literally everyone who I make some for has been sick free 
since beginning CS.  It is amazing stuff.  But I would still get cold sores 
every few weeks or so.  I started using the terminator zapper around the middle 
of august and I haven't had a cold sore since.  I haven't changed anything else 
in my daily routine, but I use the terminator zapper.  This is my own story 
that I figured I would share with you
 
So I would add 2 things to your CS intake:Grapefruit seed extract ($20 or so at 
local health food store) and wear the terminator zapper ($110 online) as many 
hours of the day as you can.  It is easy to wear.
 
Let me know if you would like more info.  Good luck and I hope this helps.
Rob
-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:37 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Yes Rob - 
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
 
-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial infection is??  This 
may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at bay.
 
I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to 
complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural anti-bacterial
 
RC
-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?



Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
t! otally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony

CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stab ilised oxygen?

2003-10-20 Thread Smith , Michael

Thanks Rob for the suggestions.
 
I'm actually in the process of ordering some GSE as well as some Olive leaf
Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. If the CS, OLE, GSE
combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the terminator
 
Thanks again
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Thanks, Mike.  Are you willing to try anything else to complement your CS
regimen??
 
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that the CS is not
getting to the infection.  It can't kill what it doesn't come in contact
with.  I think I might have said this before, but I had cold sores for the
longest time.  I can't remember when I didn't get them.  I ran into CS about
a year and a half ago.  It has been great for me and the people around who
are willing to try something 'new'.  Literally everyone who I make some for
has been sick free since beginning CS.  It is amazing stuff.  But I would
still get cold sores every few weeks or so.  I started using the terminator
zapper around the middle of august and I haven't had a cold sore since.  I
haven't changed anything else in my daily routine, but I use the terminator
zapper.  This is my own story that I figured I would share with you
 
So I would add 2 things to your CS intake:Grapefruit seed extract ($20 or so
at local health food store) and wear the terminator zapper ($110 online) as
many hours of the day as you can.  It is easy to wear.
 
Let me know if you would like more info.  Good luck and I hope this helps.
Rob

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:37 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Yes Rob - 
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial infection is??
This may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at bay.
 
I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to
complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural anti-bacterial
 
RC

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?



Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just trying to
come to an informed solution to my problem.

regards

Mike


-Original Message-
From: George [ mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net ]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


The only thing you are drinking more of is ... water.  The amount of silver
(in this hypothetical example) would be
roughly the same.  Why are you assuming that 10 ppm is in any way lesser
than 20 ppm except in the gross
amount of silver present?  The ppm value is only a ratio of silver to water.

Regards,
George

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:19:05 +0100, Smith, Michael wrote:

I'm sorry but I don't agree. I'd rather drink 2 litres of a stronger

Re: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

I would like to know if you acquired this while taking CS as a
preventative? I have always assumed that this and other similar problems
can be avoided completely if an ounce or two of CS is taken daily.

Marshall

Smith, Michael wrote:

  Thanks Rob for the suggestions.I'm actually in the process of
 ordering some GSE as well as some Olive leaf Extract as I've heard
 very good things about that too. If the CS, OLE, GSE combo doesn't do
 it for me - I'll also look into the terminatorThanks againMike

  -Original Message-
  From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:14 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised
  oxygen?

  Thanks, Mike.  Are you willing to try anything else to
  complement your CS regimen?? I think you hit the nail on the
  head when you said that the CS is not getting to the
  infection.  It can't kill what it doesn't come in contact
  with.  I think I might have said this before, but I had cold
  sores for the longest time.  I can't remember when I didn't
  get them.  I ran into CS about a year and a half ago.  It
  has been great for me and the people around who are willing
  to try something 'new'.  Literally everyone who I make some
  for has been sick free since beginning CS.  It is amazing
  stuff.  But I would still get cold sores every few weeks or
  so.  I started using the terminator zapper around the middle
  of august and I haven't had a cold sore since.  I haven't
  changed anything else in my daily routine, but I use the
  terminator zapper.  This is my own story that I figured I
  would share with you So I would add 2 things to your CS
  intake:Grapefruit seed extract ($20 or so at local health
  food store) and wear the terminator zapper ($110 online) as
  many hours of the day as you can.  It is easy to wear. Let
  me know if you would like more info.  Good luck and I hope
  this helps.Rob

   -Original Message-
   From: Smith, Michael
   [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com]
   Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:37 AM
   To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
   Cc:
   Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised
   oxygen?
Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.Mike

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis
[mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and
stabilised oxygen?

Michael-If you don't mind can you let us
know where the bacterial infection is??
This may help explain why it is only
keeping the infection at bay. I would
look at including Grapefruit seed
extract into your regimen to complement
your CS intake.  It is also a strong,
natural anti-bacterial RC

 -Original Message-
 From: Smith, Michael
 [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com]

 Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM
 To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
 Cc:
 Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 -
 CS and stabilised oxygen?
  Well first of all there is
 the sheer volume of water. I
 personally do not
 want to spend all day drinking
 litres and litres of water and
 then having to
 run to the toilet to pee 37
 times a day!

 Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs
 studied the efficacy of
 colloidal silver against
 bacteria,(which is of
 relevance to my current
 infection) and concluded that
 a minimum of 9 parts colloidal
 silver to 1 part
 bacteria-laden water is
 required for colloidal silver
 to be effective in reducing
 the bacteria
 colony count to one. He
 further concluded that a 20:1
 ratio provided optimum
 efficacy. Any concentration
 less than 9 parts CS to 1 part
 bacteria-laden
 water and the bacteria colony
 would not be killed off
 totally and would then
 start to multiply again. So
 what I conclude from this in
 my current
 situation is that my 2

CSCS coming

Hi everybody!
Thanks for all the fine reactions you sent about my concerns as to this very 
stubborn flu. Eyeopeners indeed!
CS is on the island, flewn in by a friend, made by a paramedic who introduced 
it here. (The chemists we visited earlier this evening just looked at us 
sheepishly .. this? gave me a flask for corn in the foot yeah!) If it does not 
render it is just not interestingI .
As soon as I am on my feet again, I'll make the apparatus. So I shall soon be 
able to make my own.
See you!
Faith

CSamle female

Dear Mamapug,
They all believe I am female, which I am not. What's in a name?
Greetings,
Faith

Re: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Mike,

Reread Gibbs! I think you will find that the second glass should be take about
45 minutes after the first to complete the bacterial knockdown.

Ole Bob




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RE: CSbladder infection

Thanks Charles
 
I was thinking about something like that too ie some delivery method to get
the CS into the urethra and bladder but I was stumped as to how. I'll start
looking for turkey basters - can you believe I've never seen one before!
 
regards
 
Mike

-Original Message-
From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:27 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSbladder infection



Yes Rob - 
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
What I would try is using a turkey baster, fill the bladder with CS, and
hold it for 6 min.  I know when I was in the service in the middle 50's oral
meds did nothing.  They used what they called a pro pak which was a
toothpaste tube like delivery system for getting it straight into the
urethra and bladder.   That worked.



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Re: CSPharmaceutical corporations accused of Genocide before ICC in The Hague

Hank wrote:

 I read this on another group.Yours
 HankI
 have heard about this but never saw it.Cheers,Doug This is very long,
 so I just took a clip, but you can read the entire
 complaint at
 http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/pharmaceutical_corpora

 tions_accused_of_genocide_before_icc_in_the_hague.htm

 Pharmaceutical corporations accused of Genocide before ICC in The
 Hague
 June 14, 2003 - The Hague

There is more information on this at:

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/The_Hague/tribunal.html

Marshall

Re: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Marshall,

You are right on target. I just dug through a stack of CS papers and found the
analytical paper from the Hawkeye-Jensen, Inc.
from www.survival.com.mx/test3.html. I picked it up back in 2/2/01 so don't know
if it is still available.

They started with there 20 ppm SILVER WATER and made dilutions of  1 ppm, 3 pp, 
10
ppm, and 20 ppm.
They reported on the 3, 10,  20 ppm and the 3 ppm was the most effective on 
four
different pathogens, E.Coli, Aeruginosa, Stasph.Aureus, and C.Albicans. The 3 
ppm
was vastly superior in the invitro testing.

Stephen Quinto asked the question as to why they did not publish the 1 ppm as 
his
tests indicate that the 1 ppm would have been superior.

As a side note 20 - 40 ppb CS (parts per billion) was effective in cleaning out
the cucumber mosaic in a 1,200.000 sq. ft. green house in the Netherlands.

Marshall Dudley wrote:

 Smith, Michael wrote:

  Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
  want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
  run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!
 
  Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
  bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
  a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
  required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
  colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
  efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
  water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
  start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
  situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
  which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
  totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
  with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
  completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
  I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

 That is odd. The tests I am aware of indicated that CS in the range of 3 to 5
 ppm was most effective, and that once you get to 10 or above the effectiveness
 drops off rather significantly as the ppm and particle size increases.

 Marshall

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RE: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

So those people who are battling HIV, Hep C, MS and Cancer etc by treating
themselves with natural methods are messing around too? I want to beat this
infection using natural methods without having to resort to anti-biotics
which have always had a bad effect on me. I think I have that right.
 
regards
 
Mike

-Original Message-
From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


For gonorhea I wouldn't mess around. Get yourself to a doctor quickly and
get some antibiotics prescribed to you!

Smith, Michael m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com wrote: 

Thanks Rob for the suggestions.
 
I'm actually in the process of ordering some GSE as well as some Olive leaf
Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. If the CS, OLE, GSE
combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the terminator
 
Thanks again
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Thanks, Mike.  Are you willing to try anything else to complement your CS
regimen??
 
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that the CS is not
getting to the infection.  It can't kill what it doesn't come in contact
with.  I think I might have said this before, but I had cold sores for the
longest time.  I can't remember when I didn't get them.  I ran into CS about
a year and a half ago.  It has been great for me and the people around who
are willing to try something 'new'.  Literally everyone who I make some for
has been sick free since beginning CS.  It is amazing stuff.  But I would
still get cold sores every few weeks or so.  I started using the terminator
zapper around the middle of august and I haven't had a cold sore since.  I
haven't changed anything else in my daily routine, but I use the terminator
zapper.  This is my own story that I figured I would share with you
 
So I would add 2 things to your CS intake:Grapefruit seed extract ($20 or so
at local health food store) and wear the terminator zapper ($110 online) as
many hours of the day as you can.  It is easy to wear.
 
Let me know if you would like more info.  Good luck and I hope this helps.
Rob

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:37 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Yes Rob - 
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial infection is??
This may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at bay.
 
I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to
complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural anti-bacterial
 
RC

-Original Message- 
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?



Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough tot!
otally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just trying to
come to an informed solution to my

CSPharmaceutical corporations accused of Genocide before ICC in The Hague

2003-10-20 Thread Hank

I read this on another group.
Yours Hank

I have heard about this but never saw it.
Cheers,Doug

This is very long, so I just took a clip, but you can read the entire 
complaint at 
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/pharmaceutical_corpora
tions_accused_of_genocide_before_icc_in_the_hague.htm

Pharmaceutical corporations accused of Genocide before ICC in The 
Hague
June 14, 2003 - The Hague

Pharmaceutical corporations and individual executives have been 
accused of genocide and crimes of war before the International 
Criminal Court in The Hague. The charges, which also involve 
accusations of war crimes against US President George W. Bush, UK 
Prime Minister Tony Blair and other top political figures, are 
contained in a detailed complaint filed with the ICC by Dr. Mathias 
Rath.

Pharmaceutical companies including Pfizer, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, 
Novartis, Amgen and Astra Zeneca are accused of deliberately 
preventing life-saving natural alternatives to drug based treatments 
from being applied in prevention and cure. A worldwide disinformation 
campaign undertaken by these companies is said to have caused the 
death of millions of people. Their role in getting both Bush and 
Blair into power and in determining the policies of their respective 
administrations with respect to the recent wars in Afghanistan and 
Iraq is cited as evidence for a case made for violation of Human 
Rights. 

Financial interests behind misdirected health policies world wide and 
behind the drive for war are also named in the complaint, filed by 
Rath and others during a two-day Conference in The Hague on 14 and 15 
June.

IN THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD

Complaint Against Genocide and Other Crimes Against Humanity 
Committed in Connection With The Pharmaceutical 'Business With 
Disease'

This complaint is submitted to the
International Criminal Court by Matthias Rath MD
and others on behalf of the people of the world
The Hague, June 14, 2003

To the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court,
Senator Louis Moreno-Ocampo,
c/o International Court, Maanweg 174
NL-2516 AB Den Haag/The Hague

SUMMARY

This complaint brings before the International Court of Justice (ICC) 
the greatest crimes ever committed in the course of human history. 
The accused are charged with causing injury to and the death of 
millions of people through the 'business with disease', war crimes 
and other crimes against humanity. These crimes fall under the 
jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court.

The accused know that they will be held accountable for these crimes 
and they have therefore embarked on a global campaign to undermine 
the authority of the ICC in order to put themselves above 
international law and continue their crimes to the detriment of all 
mankind.

Therefore, the current complaint must be considered by the ICC with 
utmost urgency. Moreover, every natural person and every government 
is hereby called upon to join this complaint with the goal to once 
and for all terminate these crimes.

IntroductionThe Cartel

The charges presented in this complaint relate to two main fields of 
crime:

* Genocide and other crimes against humanity committed in connection 
with the pharmaceutical business with disease.

* Crimes of war and aggression and other crimes against humanity 
committed in connection with the recent war against Iraq and the 
international escalation towards a world war.

These two fields of crime are directly related and connected by one 
factor: They are committed in the name and interest of the same 
corporate investment groups and their political stakeholders. In 
order to establish the evidence and show the common motives of the 
accused a short historical review is imperative.

Throughout the 20th century, the pharmaceutical industry was built 
and organized with the goal of controlling healthcare systems around 
the world by systematically replacing natural, non-patentable 
therapies with patentable and therefore profitable synthetic drugs. 
This industry did not evolve naturally. To the contrary, it was an 
investment decision taken by a handful of wealthy and unscrupulous 
entrepreneurs. They deliberately defined the human body as their 
market place in order to generate further wealth.

The driving force of this investment industry was the Rockefeller 
Group. They already controlled more than 90% of the petrochemical 
business in the United States at the turn of the 19th to the 20th 
century and they were looking for new global investment 
opportunities. Another investment group active in this field was 
formed around the Rothschild financial group.

RE: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

I'm sorry Daivd I know you mean well but I agree with Rob. For me
anit-biotics are the last resort. I've never liked what they do to me and I
know the right regime of natural alternatives will work. I feel what I'm
doing so far is keeping it at bay because it's got no worse since it
appeared. There is no irritation at all when I pee and the volume of
discharge has actually lessened so I know I'm on the right track. I just
need the killer blow. I'll keep drinking the CS and start taking GSE and OLE
when they arrive. I'll keep the list informed
 
regards
 
Mike 

-Original Message-
From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:24 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


There is a big difference between gonorhea and HIV, Hep C, MS and Cancer.
Gonorhea is treatable with antibiotics. Modern medicine has no cure for HIV,
Hep C, MS and Cancer and that justifies the use of alternative therapies.
You could cure your gonorhea with antibiotics.




 



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RE: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Hi Marshall
 
Well that's what bugs me. I've been taking CS fairly religiously for nearly
three years now and haven't been hit with anything - no colds, illnesses of
any kind throughout this time. I didn't measure out the exact dosages.I
would just brew a litre of CS (10-12ppm)  and each day take a swig from the
bottle in the morning or in the evening. Yes sometimes I would forget but I
would say on average I would brew a new 1 litre batch each week. It seems
however that this just wasn't enough to prevent everything.
 
Mike

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From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 4:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


I would like to know if you acquired this while taking CS as a preventative?
I have always assumed that this and other similar problems can be avoided
completely if an ounce or two of CS is taken daily. 

Marshall 



 



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Re: CSBladder infection

2003-10-20 Thread Tad Winiecki

original messge-  Thanks Rob for the suggestions.   I'm
actually in the process of ordering some GSE as well as some  Olive
leaf Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. If the CS,
OLE, GSE combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the
terminator   Thanks again   Mike  


Mike-  these are herbs I have in my computer database for generalized
search VD, based on Peter Holmes' Energetics of Western Herbs.

Sarsaparilla
Lemon juice-1/2 lemon/day, inc to 12, dec to 1/day
Echinacea
Red root, root bark- Ceanothus americanus
Hops
Yellow dock
Pipsissewa
Burdock
Horsetail (use with caution)
Sandalwood decoction- outstanding

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Re: CSBladder infection

2003-10-20 Thread tdg39

Tad,
I've had great success with The Terminator.  Highly recommend it.
Be Well  Prosper,
Terry

- Original Message - 
From: Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: CSBladder infection

 original messge-  Thanks Rob for the suggestions.   I'm
 actually in the process of ordering some GSE as well as some  Olive
 leaf Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. If the CS,
 OLE, GSE combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the
 terminator   Thanks again   Mike  

 Mike-  these are herbs I have in my computer database for generalized
 search VD, based on Peter Holmes' Energetics of Western Herbs.

 Sarsaparilla
 Lemon juice-1/2 lemon/day, inc to 12, dec to 1/day
 Echinacea
 Red root, root bark- Ceanothus americanus
 Hops
 Yellow dock
 Pipsissewa
 Burdock
 Horsetail (use with caution)
 Sandalwood decoction- outstanding

 Nancy

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CSHow old is CS??

Hi Ya'all,

In a private communication with a member of this list they were
wondering about a flow through process maybe similiar to Marshall's HVAC
flo-thru procees.That post triggered a recolation of something I read
about 50 years ago. In the 954 to 1957 years I was the chief engineer
for Standard Fruit company of their Honduras division, and had
responsibility for the water system.  In the engineering library there
as  textbook on water systems, printed in 1922, There was mentioned that
Europe prior to the 20 th century used silver rather than chlorine to
purify their water.

It would be interesting to know if they used an electrical process or
the addition of a silver compound. So maybe what we are doing has been
done before !!.

Maybe someone will research this point.

Ole Bob


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CSRhodiola rosea WOW

2003-10-20 Thread cheri j nelson

Check out this Just ordered some looks like a keeper to goalong with the CS 
program do a search alsotons of good info,
Cleon

Clinical Case Studies
The following cases are representative examples of the many clinical situations 
in which R. rosea may be beneficial. Although the presentation of individual 
cases does not carry the weight of double-blind placebo-controlled trials, the 
authors hope that these samples from their larger case series may help to 
generate interest and funding for future controlled clinical trials to explore 
the medical applications of this multipotent medicinal herb. Note that in some 
cases the patients served as their own controls by discontinuing R. rosea, 
relapsing, and then improving upon resumption of treatment.

Ms. W., a 45-year-old writer, never quite finished her doctoral thesis. A 
block prevented her from completing any manuscripts for publication. Seven 
years of psychotherapy did not alleviate the problem. After drifting for 
years and being terrified of taking any more prescription antidepressants, she 
tried 100 mg extract of R. rosea (Rosavinª, a preparation standardized to 1 
percent salidroside and 3 percent rosavin, Ameriden International, Fallbrook, 
CA) twice a day. Although she had not considered herself to be depressed (and 
did not meet criteria for dysthymic disorder), within 6 weeks she experienced a 
new sense of enthusiasm and increased productivity. She became able to complete 
writing projects and to feel happy with herself. She was well for over two 
years on R. rosea. However, feeling recovered and happily married, she decided 
on her own to stop the herbal medicine and gradually relapsed over 6 months. 
Upon resuming the R. rosea, she again improved with full recovery.

Ms. P., a 50-year-old computer analyst, complained of constant fatigue, 
dragging herself out of bed every morning, and dreading encounters at work. 
Because she was highly sensitive to side effects of any psychotropic 
medication, she began with one pinch (equivalent to about 50 mg) of R. rosea 
extract (Rosavinª) in her morning tea. Within a few days her fatigue was gone. 
She had the energy and confidence to deal more effectively with the inevitable 
conflicts at work.

Ms. B., a 45-year-old mental health professional, had refractory depression and 
fibromyalgia for 5 years. Her symptoms were completely unresponsive to multiple 
trials of psychotropic medication. She had a partial response to the 
antidepressant sertraline (Zoloft¨, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, 
SSRI), but this was not adequate for her to do more than carry out her daily 
job. The addition of 600 mg/day R. rosea extract (Rosavinª) enabled her to 
return to normal enjoyment and full productivity in life. It took about 2 
months to see these effects. After 6 months, the patient began to doubt that 
she needed the R. rosea and discontinued it on her own, only to relapse over 
the next 3 weeks. Upon reinstitution of the R. rosea, she returned to full 
remission and remains well 2 years later on sertraline and R. rosea.

Mr. S., a 74-year-old man, had suffered from Parkinson's disease for 10 years. 
Despite conventional treatment with pramipexole (Mirapex¨), levodopa/carbidopa 
(Sinemet¨), donepezil (Aricept¨), and rivastigmine (Exelon¨) for motoric and 
cognitive deficits, he was functioning poorly. He spent most of the day sitting 
in a chair, rarely speaking or initiating any activities. His wife, a 
practicing neurologist, carefully observed his clinical status and reported 
that within one week of starting 300 mg R. rosea extract (Rosavinª) twice daily 
he began to recover with marked progressive improvements in his abilities to 
think, speak, read, and initiate independent activities. Because of some 
residual cognitive impairment, galanthus (Galanthus spp., Amaryllidaceae) an 
herbal extract (customized formula by Ameriden International containing 100 mg 
R. rosea, 200 mg galanthus, and 50 mg plant cell-derived vitamin C) was added 
with consequent additional improvement.

Ms. A., an athletic 62-year-old Oriental woman, was diagnosed with infiltrating 
ductal carcinoma of one breast. She began chemotherapy but suffered extreme 
fatigue and suppression of her white and red blood cell counts to the point 
where, despite conventional treatment adjuvants, the chemotherapy regimen had 
to be repeatedly interrupted. A trial of 150 mg R. rosea extract (Rosavinª) 
twice daily restored her energy and completely normalized her white and red 
blood cell counts, allowing completion of chemotherapy. Four months after 
mastectomy and chemotherapy, Ms. A. resumed her usual rigorous martial arts 
practice.

CSRe: H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

2003-10-20 Thread silversurfer1952 .


Dear list-members,

The following is just for arguments sake as I have no idea how silver 
actually behaves once in the body...


If I weigh 120lbs, let's say 60% water, that means I have about 32.7 litres 
of water in my body.  To reach a 3 ppm I would need to consume 98.1 mg of 
silver?  Is that correct?  What do y'all think of that dosage?  Should one 
take it all at once, or not?   Let's say it was to treat an intestinal staph 
aureaus infection (which is what I believe I have)  How long would it be 
safe to take that amount of colloidal silver?  (Not very long I would 
think).


thanks,
Elle


From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net

They started with there 20 ppm SILVER WATER and made dilutions of  1 ppm, 3 
pp, 10

ppm, and 20 ppm.
They reported on the 3, 10,  20 ppm and the 3 ppm was the most effective 
on four
different pathogens, E.Coli, Aeruginosa, Stasph.Aureus, and C.Albicans. The 
3 ppm

was vastly superior in the invitro testing.

Stephen Quinto asked the question as to why they did not publish the 1 ppm 
as his

tests indicate that the 1 ppm would have been superior.


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csbrown recluse spider bite

2003-10-20 Thread BJHut1

Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider 
bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions 
that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one 
that is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any 
advise.

Becky

Re: csbrown recluse spider bite

2003-10-20 Thread Jason Eaton

Hi Becky,

Although I have never seen the treatment, I have been informed by two users 
that utilizing healing clay poultices on the area greatly assist recovery.

Hydrating the healing clay with CS is even a better idea; I've seen rapid 
responses with other types of bites.

The treatment must be utilized as often as possible...  Dressings changed about 
3 times daily.  It is far better if one has some prepared and utilizes it 
immediately upon being bitten; switching between utilizing the clay and CS 
directly to the area.

If you'd like to learn more about the art of healing clays, feel free to visit 
our not-for-profit website:
http://www.eytonsearth.org

Best Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:09 PM
  Subject: csbrown recluse spider bite


  Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider 
bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions 
that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that 
is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.

  Becky





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Re: CSBladder infection

2003-10-20 Thread Robb Allen

you are referring to the Terminator Zapper?...I'd like to hear about
your results..what did it do for you..and how long did it
take.?Robb
- Original Message -
From: tdg39 td...@tampabay.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: CSBladder infection

 Tad,
 I've had great success with The Terminator.  Highly recommend it.
 Be Well  Prosper,
 Terry

 - Original Message -
 From: Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:55 PM
 Subject: Re: CSBladder infection

  original messge-  Thanks Rob for the suggestions.   I'm
  actually in the process of ordering some GSE as well as some  Olive
  leaf Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. If the CS,
  OLE, GSE combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the
  terminator   Thanks again   Mike

  Mike-  these are herbs I have in my computer database for generalized
  search VD, based on Peter Holmes' Energetics of Western Herbs.

  Sarsaparilla
  Lemon juice-1/2 lemon/day, inc to 12, dec to 1/day
  Echinacea
  Red root, root bark- Ceanothus americanus
  Hops
  Yellow dock
  Pipsissewa
  Burdock
  Horsetail (use with caution)
  Sandalwood decoction- outstanding

  Nancy

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Re: CSPharmaceutical corporations accused of Genocide before ICC in The Hague

2003-10-20 Thread Rnhffmn11

In a message dated 10/20/03 11:17:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
h...@arkansas.net writes:

I read this on another group.
Yours Hank

I have heard about this but never saw it.
Cheers,Doug

This is very long, so I just took a clip, but you can read the entire
complaint at
A
HREF=http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/pharmaceutical_corpora;http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/06/23/pharmaceutical_corpora/A
tions_accused_of_genocide_before_icc_in_the_hague.htm

Pharmaceutical corporations accused of Genocide before ICC in The
Hague
June 14, 2003 - The Hague

Pharmaceutical corporations and individual executives have been
accused of genocide and crimes of war before the International
Criminal Court in The Hague. The charges, which also involve
accusations of war crimes against US President George W. Bush, UK
Prime Minister Tony Blair and other top political figures, are
contained in a detailed complaint filed with the ICC by Dr. Mathias
Rath.

thanks for that post. i just hope that all the good and influencial people
out there who are currently fighting the matrix are willing to go all the way
down the rabbit hole. its the only way to see the whole picture.

The Elkhorn Manifesto
SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA
By R. William Davis

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Elkhorn.html

An Open Letter to All Americans

The Real Reason the Government Won't Debate Medical Cannabis and
Industrial Hemp Re-legalization

Documented Evidence of a Secret Business and Political Alliance
Between the U.S. Establishment and the Nazis - Before, During and
After World War II - up to the Present.

PREFACE

Before the Gatewood Galbraith for Governor Campaign in 1991, few
Kentuckians knew that the plant that the federal government had
demonized for over 50 years as Marijuana - Assassin of Youth, was,
in fact, Cannabis Hemp, the most traded commodity in the world until
the mid-1800s, and our state's number one crop, industry, and most
important source of revenue, for over 150 years.

Today, thanks to the efforts of pioneer hemp researchers and public
advocates such as Galbraith, Jack Fraizer, Jack Herer, Chris Conrad,
Ed Rosenthal, Don Wirtshafter and others, the federal government's
unjustifiable suppression of our state's right to develop our most
valuable and versatile natural resource, is facing increasing
opposition from an informed public. Hemp is now recognized as the
number one agriculturally renewable raw material in the world, and
perhaps the only crop / industry which can guarantee us industrial
and economic independence from the trans-national corporations.

Shadow of the Swastika is a follow-up to my earlier work, Cannabis
Hemp: the Invisible Prohibition Revealed, which I wrote and
published in support of the Galbraith Campaign. Since publication of
that booklet, there has been growing public acceptance of the
evidence that Marijuana Prohibition was created in 1937, not to
protect society from the evils of the drug Marijuana, as the
Federal government claimed, but as an act of deliberate economic and
industrial sabotage against the re-emerging Industrial Hemp Industry.

Previous investigations by hemp researchers have been limited to the
suppression of free-market competition from the hemp industry, and
focused on the activities of three prominent members of America's
corporate, industrial and banking establishment during the mid- to
late-1930s:

WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST, the newspaper and magazine tycoon.

The expected rebirth of cannabis hemp as a less expensive source of
pulp for paper meant his millions of acres of prime timberland, and
investment in wood pulp papermaking equipment, would soon be worth
much less. In the 1920s, about the same time as the equipment was
developed to economically mass-produce raw hemp into pulp and fiber
for paper, he began the Reefer Madness hoax in his newspaper and
magazine publications.

ANDREW MELLON, founder of the Gulf Oil Corporation.

He knew that cannabis hemp was an alternative industrial raw material
for the production of thousands of products, including fuel and
plastics, which, if allowed to compete in the free-market, would
threaten the future profits of the oil companies. As Secretary of the
Treasury he created the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and appointed
his own future nephew-in-law, Harry Anslinger, as director. Anslinger
would later use the sensational, and totally fabricated, articles
published by Hearst, to push the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 through
Congress, which successfully destroyed the rebirth of the cannabis
hemp industry.

A prominent member of one Congressional subcommittee who voted in
favor of this bill was Joseph Guffey of Pennsylvania, an oil tycoon
and former business partner of Andrew Mellon in the Spindletop oil
fields in Texas.

Re: csbrown recluse spider bite

2003-10-20 Thread mamapug


  When I was bitten twice on the face several years ago, I was already taking 
CS daily. Once I realized they  were not  zits, I began to put CS directly on 
the bites. I eventually got black scabs which, once they fell off, left a pit 
in the skin, but I can live with that!
  I was in Vallejo, CA, and the spider lived behind my pillows on the wall next 
to the bed. Arrgghh!
  Marshalee


  Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider 
bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions 
that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that 
is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.

  Becky

Re: CSlost message

2003-10-20 Thread mamapug


  Dear Faith,
  First off, I`m a lady. 
  I`m mom to 4, and grandma to 6, 5 living!
  As to the message, I cleaned out my sent box, so I don`t know what I sent you.
  Sorry...
  Marshalee

  Good day to you Mr. Marshalee!
  I appreciate highly your down-to-earth and pracical approach of the different 
topics that come forward in this forum. 
  You sent me a message yesterday, which I lost even before having been able to 
read it. Flick! Back into cyberspace.
  Would you care to send it again please?
  Thank you
  Faith

Re: CSRe CS: DMSO in Canada

2003-10-20 Thread Jack Dayton

Harold MacDonald   10/19/03 9:33 AM  Wrote:

 To try to get it shipped in from the US would be an exercise in futility and
 cost as the Canada customs would seize it at the border and you would not
 get your cost back.This has happened to me in the past as I have tested the
 Customs re restricted supplements.Only once did they notify me of the
 seizure and I got a rather chilling feeling reading the veiled threats in
 the notice.The product was not returned to the supplier and therefore no
 refund.
 Better luck to you if you try,

I just sent a message to my DMSO source
here in the US.  I mentioned that I often
recommend them when asked about a source,
and the person wanted to know about the shipping
cost to Canada -- we shal see.

Jack

Be Nice


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CSBrown Recluse Bite Cure

This is pretty long, but very interesting.  I believe the PS at the end is by 
Brooks Bradley concerning the addition of CS to the protocol.

BY DR. KENNETH BURTON 
The devastation caused by the bite of the Brown Recluse spider can be stopped 
in its tracks and reversed, even at  advanced stages of its degenerative 
effects. 

The Recluse bite can cause a prolonged and expensive trail of suffering and 
disability to its victims. The frequency of bites to humans has increased at an 
alarming rate, as the spider moves indoors and into our garments, shoes and 
bedding. Treatment cost now run into the millions of dollars per year and are 
rising rapidly as incidences increase.While some spiders inject little venom, 
others may be expected to create serious management problems with resultant 
extensive tissue loss, pain. disability and chronic deterioration. 

The etiology is the powerful, vasoconstricting properties of the venom, as the 
mechanism of necrotic arachnidism, which causes the smail arteries to spasm 
with resultant loss of blood supply to the bite area. This sets up a cycle of 
ulceration and tissue loss through ischemia and gangrene. Systemic medication 
alone is unable to penetrate the lesion because of the barrier zone produced by 
the spastic occlusion of the arteries. 

However...a nitroglycerin patch can penetrate through the skin, into the 
interstitial fluid and into the capillaries, rapidly dilating the vessels. This 
is evidenced by the quick onset of a nitroglycerin headache as circulation into 
the occluded area is re-established from the edges inward. The pathologic 
process ceases and healing begins. When a nitro patch is administered early, as 
in the first 48 hours, no lesion ever develops!  Delay treatment three to four 
weeks and a 5 cm ulcer will develop, requiring three months of treatment with 
the nitroglycerin patches. Even with delayed treatment, however, the 
degenerative process is reversed. The body heals itself. There is no need for 
surgery with its debilitating effects, potential complications and severe 
scarring. 

The patch is cut to cover only the effected area, right up to and extending 
just over the edge of involvement. In the case of a youngchild, the patch 
should be cut down to cover the smallest area possible, with more frequent 
removal and reapplication necessary. Pictures of the recluse bites treated with 
these patches provide examples of some responses. 

With few exceptions, regardless of the site of the bite or the age and health 
of the patient, the patch has stopped the progress of the tissue loss, thus 
allowing the area to begin recovery, usually without scarring and with only 
slightly darker pigmentation. 

  
*3 wks. old untreated lesion near wrist *After 7 weeks treatment on Nitro 0.2 
patch - completely healed - no scar 

Exceptions include a patient with a very old ulcer (10 months), one whose bite 
was at the posterior knee joint and who was not diligent in keeping the patch 
on in this difficult location, and a patient whose auto immunity was 
compromised by HIV. I have found the Deponit Nitroglycerinpatch to be the most 
effective patch of the several types tried because the nitroglycerin is 
dispersed throughout the matrix, the dosage is easily controlled, and the patch 
is very flexible (important for joint areas).  Nitroglycerin spray was also 
used, and found to be very effective when applied to a bite of no more than 
several days age. Under no circumstances will oral nitroglycerin be 
appropriate. With blood flow re-established to the bite site, systemic 
antibiotics are effective and patients are prescribed Ciproflaxin for the first 
five to seven days to counteract bacteria - possibly delivered by the spider's 
fangs - and to prevent potential bone involvement. Patients should be 
instructed that in the event of a headache the patch should be removed for up 
to one hour and then replaced. 
I have been using this procedure in my private practice since 1989 with amazing 
and conclusive results. In instances where I see the bite so early on as to be 
unable to positively identify as a Brown Recluse bite (most times the victim 
does not see the spider, or if they do the response is to pulverize it, thus 
allowing no method of identification other than an examination of the affected 
area), I will initiate treatment with the nitroglycerin patches as a 
precaution. There is no danger from its use on other bites, but to delay 
treatment from uncertainty only allows further degradation and necessitates a 
prolonged treatment period. The patch will also help scorpion and other bites 
anyway. Exception: Do not use on snake bite
.
 Dear Ivan,  Our researcher reports he has employed CS as an 
adjunct to the nitroglycerin protocolsimply by applying 10 to 15 ppm 
strength CS (diluted 5% by volume with DMSO) with an eye-dropper, directly 
on the nitroglycerin patch. 
Although only anecdotal in nature, his observation is that both the speed

CSHow old is CS??

2003-10-20 Thread Matthew McCann PE

The Handbook of Public Water
Supplies prepared by the
American Water Works
Association, Inc. (Third
Edition, 1971) has a 
few paragraphs on
disinfection by metal
ions. It includes a few
remarks on its history.

According to this 
handbook, the oligodynamic
properties of silver were
described by Raulin
in 1869 in his article
The Chemistry
Of Vegetation, Sci. Nat.,
11:93 (1869).

In 1893 the Swiss
botanist Nageli
observed the
disappearance of
Spirogyrae from waters
containing minute
quantities of finely
divided silver
precipitated from
one of its salts.

The AWWA Handbook
mentions that
M.N. Baker's book,
The Quest For Pure Water
(Lancaster Press, 1948)
indicates that the first
paper in English on the
use of silver for water
disinfection was 
published in 1932 in
England. Baker writes
that  four papers on the
subject were published
in the United States
between 1934 and 1936,
one originating in Russia
and the other in Poland.
The latter deal with
experiments with
filters containing metallic
silver, with solutions of
silver salts and with
electrocatynization
whereby finely divided
silver was produced by
an electrolytic system.

CSHow old is CS??

2003-10-20 Thread Matthew McCann PE

The article by
Carl von Nageli is
Uber oligodynamischen
Erscheinungen in
Lebenden Zellen,
(Schweiz. Natur. Ges.,
33:1, 1893.)

RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Drink lots; irrigate with low pressure with small bulb syringe. 

JOH

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From: Smith [mailto:Smith] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:38 AM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Yes Rob - 

It's Gonorrhea.

Mike

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From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial infection is??
This may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at bay.

I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to
complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural anti-bacterial

RC

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From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just trying to
come to an informed solution to my problem.

regards

Mike

-Original Message-
From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

The only thing you are drinking more of is ... water.  The amount of silver
(in this hypothetical example) would be
roughly the same.  Why are you assuming that 10 ppm is in any way lesser
than 20 ppm except in the gross
amount of silver present?  The ppm value is only a ratio of silver to water.

Regards,
George

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:19:05 +0100, Smith, Michael wrote:

I'm sorry but I don't agree. I'd rather drink 2 litres of a stronger
product
than 4 litres of a lesser product.

regards

Mike

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RE: CSbladder infection

A small bulb syringe tip will be easier to insert than a turkey baster. 

-Original Message-
From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:27 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSbladder infection

Yes Rob - 

It's Gonorrhea.

Mike
What I would try is using a turkey baster, fill the bladder with CS, and
hold it for 6 min.  I know when I was in the service in the middle 50's oral
meds did nothing.  They used what they called a pro pak which was a
toothpaste tube like delivery system for getting it straight into the
urethra and bladder.   That worked.

RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Hello,

RE:  that a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden
water is required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the
bacteria colony count to one.  

That is contrary to many other reports that I recall seeing in years past.
Something like .002 mg/l of Ag sol immobilizing any bacteria. But that is
from memory.   Try looking for B art A. Flick, MD.  He is an Orthopedic
Surgeon who has been working with Ag Sols for many years, and is the
inventor of Silverlon.  Also, check Brigham Young University's study.  

Since a few tablespoonfuls of Ag Sol will stop advanced severe food
poisoning in an average size person , the math indicates that a much lower
concentration will be effective.

JOH 

-Original Message-
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:02 AM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then having to
run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day! 

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded that
a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and would then
start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not enough to
totally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that I can drink CS
with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS. I would rather
drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently 

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so possibly
drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just trying to
come to an informed solution to my problem.

regards

Mike


-Original Message-
From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


The only thing you are drinking more of is ... water.  The amount of silver
(in this hypothetical example) would be 
roughly the same.  Why are you assuming that 10 ppm is in any way lesser
than 20 ppm except in the gross 
amount of silver present?  The ppm value is only a ratio of silver to water.

Regards,
George

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:19:05 +0100, Smith, Michael wrote:

I'm sorry but I don't agree. I'd rather drink 2 litres of a stronger
product
than 4 litres of a lesser product.

regards

Mike





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Re: csbrown recluse spider bite

2003-10-20 Thread Duncan Crow

Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
zapper probably lacks the power needed.

Duncan Crow

 Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
 recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
 has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
 a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
 starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
 
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RE: CSRe: H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Hello Elle,

You do not need to reach 3 PPM in your body for Ag Sol to be effective.

For a 150 Lb average person, the toxic dose of Ag Sol, of good quality and
not contaminated with impurities, for 10 PPM (Mg/L) is approximately one
standard size bath tub full per 24 hours. Or, about 3.8 Milligrams per day
total  silver. 

Consuming 98.1 Milligrams of silver per day will be very toxic.  

Most silver is absorbed high in the digestive tract. I have heard some
people try to carry it further in with clay or with Psyllium (Spelling?).

Silver is a potent germicide.  Some bacteria release toxins when they die
and the cell wall opens.  If you take enough silver to kill lots of that
type of bacteria all at once, you can become very ill or die. Symptoms are
frequently headache and fever, possibly chills.   That effect is called the
Jarish-Herxheimer (sp?) reaction, named after the Docs who first noted it.
For that reason, it is considered by many to be good practice to initially
take small amounts of silver, say 2 or three tablespoons full for a day or
so and observe the effect.  If there is no sudden worsening of condition, it
is difficult to drink enough 10 PPM Ag Sol to get a toxic dose. 

JOH

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From: silversurfer1952 . [mailto:silversurfer1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:25 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe: H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?


Dear list-members,

The following is just for arguments sake as I have no idea how silver 
actually behaves once in the body...

If I weigh 120lbs, let's say 60% water, that means I have about 32.7 litres 
of water in my body.  To reach a 3 ppm I would need to consume 98.1 mg of 
silver?  Is that correct?  What do y'all think of that dosage?  Should one 
take it all at once, or not?   Let's say it was to treat an intestinal staph

aureaus infection (which is what I believe I have)  How long would it be 
safe to take that amount of colloidal silver?  (Not very long I would 
think).

thanks,
Elle

From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net

They started with there 20 ppm SILVER WATER and made dilutions of  1 
ppm, 3
pp, 10
ppm, and 20 ppm.
They reported on the 3, 10,  20 ppm and the 3 ppm was the most effective 
on four
different pathogens, E.Coli, Aeruginosa, Stasph.Aureus, and C.Albicans. The

3 ppm
was vastly superior in the invitro testing.

Stephen Quinto asked the question as to why they did not publish the 1 
ppm
as his
tests indicate that the 1 ppm would have been superior.

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CSCS and Intestinal Bloat

2003-10-20 Thread silversurfer1952 .


Hello List,

I'm new here, as you know.  The reason I wanted to try CS in the first place 
was to address what I believe to be a bacterial infection in my gut.  I have 
tried taking large amounts of various probiotics but it hasn't addressed the 
problem.  I once had a stool analysis which found staph aureus.  Also, I may 
or may not have candida.


I brewed my first batch of CS on Saturday and started taking about 2 Tbsp. 
twice a day (total of 1/4 cup).  I believe the brewed solution is approx. 24 
ppm.  I find that around two to three hours after ingestionr I get gut aches 
and my lower abdomen bloats.  Although uncomfortable, it's not impossible to 
bear.  I'm wondering if this might be a sign that the CS is working to kill 
off pathogens.  Has anyone else had this side-effect from taking CS?


thanks in adavance.
Elle

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Re: CSHow old is CS??

Thanks Matthew.

ole Bob

Matthew McCann PE wrote:

 The Handbook of Public WaterSupplies prepared by theAmerican Water
 WorksAssociation, Inc. (ThirdEdition, 1971) has afew paragraphs
 ondisinfection by metalions. It includes a fewremarks on its history.


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Re: CSRe CS: DMSO in Canada

2003-10-20 Thread Harold MacDonald

I have had suppliers in the US 'phone and E-mail me to advise me they do not
ship certain items to Canada as they are tagged as non-admissible and the
hassle with our customs doesn't warrant it.
Keep smiling ,life gets better as you get older,[to a point]
Harold
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From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: CSRe CS: DMSO in Canada

 Harold MacDonald   10/19/03 9:33 AM  Wrote:

  To try to get it shipped in from the US would be an exercise in futility
and
  cost as the Canada customs would seize it at the border and you would
not
  get your cost back.This has happened to me in the past as I have tested
the
  Customs re restricted supplements.Only once did they notify me of the
  seizure and I got a rather chilling feeling reading the veiled threats
in
  the notice.The product was not returned to the supplier and therefore no
  refund.
  Better luck to you if you try,

 I just sent a message to my DMSO source
 here in the US.  I mentioned that I often
 recommend them when asked about a source,
 and the person wanted to know about the shipping
 cost to Canada -- we shal see.

 Jack

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Re: CSbladder infection

MessageIf you are going to put anything in the bladder you need the large bulb 
of the baster.  You don't have to insert it, just keep it tight.
  - Original Message - 
  From: James Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:59 PM
  Subject: RE: CSbladder infection

  A small bulb syringe tip will be easier to insert than a turkey baster. 
-Original Message-
From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:27 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSbladder infection

Yes Rob - 

It's Gonorrhea.

Mike
What I would try is using a turkey baster, fill the bladder with CS, and 
hold it for 6 min.  I know when I was in the service in the middle 50's oral 
meds did nothing.  They used what they called a pro pak which was a 
toothpaste tube like delivery system for getting it straight into the urethra 
and bladder.   That worked.

Re: csbrown recluse spider bite

My brother-in-law was bitten on the hand by a brown recluse. He waited a 
day to tell me. By the time he came to me his hand had swollen so bad he 
could no longer make a fist. I immediately applied a calcium bentonite clay 
hydrated with 10 ppm colloidal silver as a poultice to the bite about an 
inch thick and covering the entire back of his hand. We then wrapped it and 
secured it with an ace bandage. We changed the clay twice a day for 3 days. 
By day 3 the swelling had gone completely away and you could only see 2 
small white marks where the fangs had hit him. He suffered no necrosis.


At 04:50 PM 10/20/03, you wrote:

Hi Becky,

Although I have never seen the treatment, I have been informed by two 
users that utilizing healing clay poultices on the area greatly assist 
recovery.


Hydrating the healing clay with CS is even a better idea; I've seen rapid 
responses with other types of bites.


The treatment must be utilized as often as possible...  Dressings changed 
about 3 times daily.  It is far better if one has some prepared and 
utilizes it immediately upon being bitten; switching between utilizing the 
clay and CS directly to the area.


If you'd like to learn more about the art of healing clays, feel free to 
visit our not-for-profit website:

http://www.eytonsearth.orghttp://www.eytonsearth.org

Best Regards,

Jason

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To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: csbrown recluse spider bite

Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse 
spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple 
erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have 
healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get 
sore.  Thanks for any advise.


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Re: CSCS and Intestinal Bloat

2003-10-20 Thread sol

I haven't. I take CS partly for intestinal candida as well, but I don't think I 
have the bacterial infection you have. 
In fact when I've eaten too much of something that sets off intestinal upset, 
I'll sip between 6oz to 12 oz or so of CS, sometimes in gatorade. Even when 
I've had as much as a quart of CS I've never had any adverse reaction of any 
kind. Maybe I'm just lucky. 
paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: silversurfer1952 . 


  Hello List,

  I'm new here, as you know.  The reason I wanted to try CS in the first place 
  was to address what I believe to be a bacterial infection in my gut.  I have 
  tried taking large amounts of various probiotics but it hasn't addressed the 
  problem.  I once had a stool analysis which found staph aureus.  Also, I may 
  or may not have candida.

  I brewed my first batch of CS on Saturday and started taking about 2 Tbsp. 
  twice a day (total of 1/4 cup).  I believe the brewed solution is approx. 24 
  ppm.  I find that around two to three hours after ingestionr I get gut aches 
  and my lower abdomen bloats.  Although uncomfortable, it's not impossible to 
  bear.  I'm wondering if this might be a sign that the CS is working to kill 
  off pathogens.  Has anyone else had this side-effect from taking CS?

  thanks in adavance.
  Elle

Re: CSCS and Intestinal Bloat


Hi, Elle,

I an others have reported rather painful stomach aches in the early 
days of taking CS.  For me, this occured  the first five or so times I 
took CS, if memory serves me.   The pain was bad enough that I thought 
I might give up taking CS.


I assume now that some effect on bacteria in the stomach lining was the 
cause.   It could be helobacter pylori, though this is mere speculation.


I no longer have any trouble at all from ingesting even large 
quantities of CS.






JBB



On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 09:58 Asia/Tokyo, silversurfer1952 . wrote:


Hello List,

I'm new here, as you know.  The reason I wanted to try CS in the first 
place was to address what I believe to be a bacterial infection in my 
gut.  I have tried taking large amounts of various probiotics but it 
hasn't addressed the problem.  I once had a stool analysis which found 
staph aureus.  Also, I may or may not have candida.


I brewed my first batch of CS on Saturday and started taking about 2 
Tbsp. twice a day (total of 1/4 cup).  I believe the brewed solution 
is approx. 24 ppm.  I find that around two to three hours after 
ingestionr I get gut aches and my lower abdomen bloats.  Although 
uncomfortable, it's not impossible to bear.  I'm wondering if this 
might be a sign that the CS is working to kill off pathogens.  Has 
anyone else had this side-effect from taking CS?


thanks in adavance.
Elle

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Re: CSBladder infection

2003-10-20 Thread tdg39

The Terminator  Zapper has cured my prostate problem and I believe has
cleaned up a lot of the parasites and fungus that I had in my system. I used
it all day and night for about a month and had great results.  Stopped using
it for a week or so and problems started comming back. Don Croft suggested
staying on a 24/7 program for another month or so to completely eliminate
the problems.  Am doing that now.  I am healthier now, thanks to CS and the
zappers, than I was 20 years ago!

Be Well  Prosper,
Terry

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From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: CSBladder infection


 you are referring to the Terminator Zapper?...I'd like to hear
about
 your results..what did it do for you..and how long did it
 take.?Robb


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Re: CS was: sick from cs/is: BAKING SODA in CS

2003-10-20 Thread colloidal . silver

Hi Nena :)

Hey There Doc ! Remember when I steared you to the site that showed the info
about baking soda... We're talkin about adding a 1/2 teaspoon to a gallon of
C.S., Mix it well, pour some in a beaker, and test with PH-paper... Should
be around 7 / 8 p.h. at least... But hey, If you added so much you can taste
it, then you must be using @ a teaspoon to a cupfull... Well, enjoy your
antacid  prepair for a mighty burp :)

Regards,
Al
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: CS was: sick from cs/is: BAKING SODA in CS



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 From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 8:53 PM
 Subject: RE: CSRE: sick from cs


  Hi Nenah,
  The other 97% is purified water--the 3% is Stabilized Hydrogen peroxide.
  Unless you purchase the 35% food grade and dilute with distilled water,
you
  are using regular medicinal H2O2 which is fine and much easier and
safer.
  The food grade, 35%, is highly explosive; the cosmetic grade, 6%, is
  explosive as is the medicinal grade, 3%. Handle each carefully, without
  shaking and keep away from heat. I believe they store it in dark plastic
  bottles, since flying glass bottles in explosion is so dangerous.
  Best regards,
  Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Phamacist


 Thanks Richard. I didn't ask the original question (what's the other 97%
of the
 3% Hydrogen Peroxide solution), but it's still good to get the details. I
use
 only food grade and love it.

 As long as we're on the topic, I have a question for you or anyone else
about
 the effects of baking soda in my distilled water when I make CS. I just
made my
 first batch of CS using baking soda, and I'm not totally comfortable with
the
 results.

 I don't have a meter so I'm not able to read particle size or
concentration --
 OR see what else is in the water -- but from the taste, it's clear that
the
 baking soda is prominent.

 My questions are:

 1) Is the silver still effective?

 2) Are there any dangerous compounds in the fluid (or compounds that might
give
 one argyria)?

 I'd really appreciate knowing this, as I'd love to start using the CS
again.

 Perhaps I used too much baking soda. Richard, Bob, Trem, Ode? Anyone?

 Thanks much.
 Nenah



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Re: CSEbay ban of CS

2003-10-20 Thread colloidal . silver

Hi Frank :)

Is Ebay willing to say which FDA Office, and specifically which Government
Employee made the Ban-it Statement to ebay ???

I think, that the FDA is probably required by the F.O.I.A. to disclose fully
: The Who, When, Where, and What on this issued statement to E-Bay...

Regards,
Alexander J. Federowicz, D.A.V.

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Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: CSEbay ban of CS


 List members may be interested in the response from Ebay on why they ban
 sales of colloidal silver. Ebay considers colloidal silver to be a
 controlled substance the same as narcotics.

 frank key
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 Hello Frank,

 Thank you for writing eBay.

 I am sorry for the confusion with this issue.  However, colloidal silver
 is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales
 of this production on our site.  Our policy regarding such items does
 not mention every item specifically, if this were the case then the page
 would be to large and most like crash most of the web browsers that try
 to view it.  Our policy states that we do not allow Narcotics, steroids
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Re: CSColor of silver sols

2003-10-20 Thread Arnold Beland

Thank you, Marshall, for publishing this very valuable data.  May we infer from 
this that the particle size of our home made sol, if it is clear, is less than 
40nm ?  The fact that we have particles would be borne out by the presence of a 
strong beam of laser light from our laser pointer.
Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
www.atlasnova.com
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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:09 AM
Subject: CSColor of silver sols

 The following information is from Light-Scattering Submircorsopic particles 
 as
 Highly Fluorescent Analogs and Their Use as Tracer labels in Clinical and
 Biuological Applications by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E. Yguerabide, 
 Depart
 of biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California 92093.
 Analytical Biochemnistry 262, pages 157-176 (1998)..  Articles number 
 AB982760.

 Silver Sols (colloidal silver):

 DiameterTransmissionScattered LightAbsorb. wave max (nm)
 Scattered
 wave max
 38   YellowBlue violet
 431465
 47   YellowBlue
 440472
 60   YellowLight Blue
 449474
 75Gold  Green Blue465
 90Pink   Yellow
 488572
 118  Pink   Yellow
 527575
 144  BrownPale Yellow
 575590

 This will be followed by 3 emails.

 1. Silver spectral absortion for silver sols, unnormalized
 2. Silver spectral absorption for silver sols, smaller particles normalized.
 3. Gold spectral absorption for gold sols, normalized.

 Marshall

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Re: CSRe: About a extraordinary experiment

2003-10-20 Thread colloidal . silver

Can one draw the connection here that the negative electrod should be a
large piece of silver sheet, lined against the inside of the glass...
Thereby distributing the pull of the positive charge against a very large
surface area, and making the particle size very much smaller ?

Regards,
Al


- Original Message -
From: Peter Rebaudo reba...@pacbell.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:57 AM
Subject: CSRe: About a extraordinary experiment


 Hi:

 Experiment #1, Posted before said:

 The positive  silver electrode is introduced into a  DW container,
 300cc, the other is outside the glass container.

 DW measures 1.0 u Siemens Voltage = 34V supply: Sota constant current
 set a 1mA.
 After 2 days, 2.4uS After 5 days, 14.0 uS and a heaviest, by far,
 Tyndall I  have ever seen.
  The final product have zero taste. The electrodes have no darkening or
 coating what so ever.
  There was no sediments.
  The container was glass 2 in diameter by 7.5 high
  Electrodes 12 Ga, 5.5 sum merged.
  The voltage stay constant at 34V, there was no measurable current.

 This experiment was performed on a glass container, with electrodes,
 that were previously used (4 times) to make CS.

 The enormous Tyndall was due , in - today's- my opinion to:
 The release of silver particles from the container walls.
 Since silver clusters seem to be formed from several silver molecules so
 arranged as to present a negative charge to the outside world, when a
 positive charged electrode is introduced in the water, the particles
 trapped in the wall get released.
 For the high conductivity exhibited in that experiment I have no guess
 at this time.

 Experiment #2

 Electrode: 6 feet long coiled on a 4 inches tight coil, wiped with clean
 paper towel and rinsed twice  with DW. Never used before.

 Container : Glass 4 diameter, 4 deep, never used before.

 PS: 58 V Wall wart. no second electrode anywhere.

 Staring conductivity = 1.0 uS
 1 day  = 1.7 uS
 3 days = 2.4
 5 days = 3.3 uS
 7 days = 3.8 uS
 The meter was cleaned in DW before measurements.
 Very slight Tyndall in a dark room was noticed.
 There was no sediments, taste or change in the electrodes.

 This is not a very impressive show but the change in conductivity ,
 still, must be explained without invoking  Faraday or any
 electromagnetic phenomenon, since a microamp meter was connected from
 the electrode to the glass and no current was  registered.

 This of course has no use as CS production goes, perhaps it can be used
 to clean container without solvents or touching them.
 Further investigations may help to answer some of the very perplexing
 questions found in the production of CS.
 Regards

 Peter R



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Re: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

This sounds like good advice to me.   At minimum, knowing the type of 
STD,  it would be important to have testing to ensure that CS was 
working. Failure to succeed could result in very, very serious 
problems later on. MD supervision needed here, definitely!





On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 23:47 Asia/Tokyo, David Bearrow wrote:

For gonorhea I wouldn't mess around. Get yourself to a doctor quickly 
and get some antibiotics prescribed to you!


Smith, Michael m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com wrote:


Thanks Rob for the suggestions.
 
I'm actually in the process of ordering some GSE as well as some Olive 
leaf Extract as I've heard very good things about that too. If the CS, 
OLE, GSE combo doesn't do it for me - I'll also look into the 
terminator

 
Thanks again
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Thanks, Mike.  Are you willing to try anything else to complement your 
CS regimen??

 
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that the CS is not 
getting to the infection.  It can't kill what it doesn't come in 
contact with.  I think I might have said this before, but I had cold 
sores for the longest time.  I can't remember when I didn't get them.  
I ran into CS about a year and a half ago.  It has been great for me 
and the people around who are willing to try something 'new'.  
Literally everyone who I make some for has been sick free since 
beginning CS.  It is amazing stuff.  But I would still get cold sores 
every few weeks or so.  I started using the terminator zapper around 
the middle of august and I haven't had a cold sore since.  I haven't 
changed anything else in my daily routine, but I use the terminator 
zapper.  This is my own story that I figured I would share with  you

 
So I would add 2 things to your CS intake:Grapefruit seed extract ($20 
or so at local health food store) and wear the terminator zapper ($110 
online) as many hours of the day as you can.  It is easy to wear.

 
Let me know if you would like more info.  Good luck and I hope this 
helps.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com]
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:37 AM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Cc:
Subject: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Yes Rob -
 
It's Gonorrhea.
 
Mike
 

-Original Message-
From: Rob Combis [mailto:rcom...@ensatina.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Michael-
If you don't mind can you let us know where the bacterial infection 
is??  This may help explain why it is only keeping the infection at 
bay.

 
I would look at including Grapefruit seed extract into your regimen to 
complement your CS intake.  It is also a strong, natural 
anti-bacterial

 
RC

-Original Message-
From: Smith, Michael [mailto:m.a.sm...@indoverbank.com]
Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 9:02 AM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Cc:
Subject: RE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

Well first of all there is the sheer volume of water. I personally do 
not
want to spend all day drinking litres and litres of water and then 
having to

run to the toilet to pee 37 times a day!

Secondly - Ronald J. Gibbs studied the efficacy of colloidal silver 
against
bacteria,(which is of relevance to my current infection) and concluded 
that

a minimum of 9 parts colloidal silver to 1 part bacteria-laden water is
required for colloidal silver to be effective in reducing the bacteria
colony count to one. He further concluded that a 20:1 ratio provided 
optimum
efficacy. Any concentration less than 9 parts CS to 1 part 
bacteria-laden
water and the bacteria colony would not be killed off totally and 
would then

start to multiply again. So what I conclude from this in my current
situation is that my 2 litres a day of 10ppm CS for the last two + 
weeks
which has done nothing but keep the infection where it is is not 
enough tot! otally destroy the infection. So the way I see it is that 
I can drink CS

with a higher ppm (of course the best quality, smallest particles,
completely clear) OR I can drink more volume of the same CS.
I would rather drink CS with a higher ppm at the same volume because:

1: Too much volume of water is uncomfortable for me

2: The lower ppm CS may not be enough to reduce the bacterial colony
sufficiently

3: Not enough CS may be reaching the the infected area anyway so 
possibly

drinking a higher pppm CS would get enough down there to do the job.

This is just my view based on what I am experiencing and what I have 
read.
I'm not saying anything is better than anything else - I am just 
trying to

come to an informed solution to my problem.

regards

Mike


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From: George [mailto:in...@dragonbyte.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:05 AM
To:

Re: CSRE: CSRE: CSCS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?