CS>diet
So if a no meat diet is so great and can save a person from cancer how come I got so sick on it? The metabolic typing diet book explains that to me very clearly. I am getting much better having gone back to meat-eating. The kind and type of meat is important though. I don't eat hotdogs and lunch meats and bologna and that sort of junk. Sugar I utterly agree about though. In fact, my belief is that giving up sugar is the most critical part of your program. Far more important than giving up meat. Your blanket statement that meat makes even healthy people sick is just not true, as a flat statement. Some meats, some people, if they are not suited metabolically to a high protein high animal product diet, would be true for some people. But not all, and not true for me. Beyond this, I don't want to argue about it, feeling better is feeling better, though, and my blood lipid profiles have improved amazingly, so I'm not going back to vegetarianism/veganism. I don't want to feel that bad again. sol John Rigby wrote: . The single most critical one is to give up meat. It even makes healthy people sick. Of course, it goes without saying that sugar is right up there with it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>FerroFluids
List, This company in Wales makes ferro fluids, a kind of colloidal suspension. Some experts may be interested in this. The following link has an amazing electron-microscope image. I wish we had some like this showing CS at work on pathogens. Are there any? http://www.liquidsresearch.com/products/biomed.asp JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
I do use CS daily, so, yes it is in cojunction with CS. Unfortunately, by the time the CS gets to the bladder it is pretty diluted and not able to do much of a job there. I purchase mine d-Mannose from www.Sagewomanherbs.com The dosage is on the container. You would use a different dosage every day for four days. Nancy - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > Any particular brand you have used and can recommend? Didn't you say you > used it in conjuction with CS? > TIA, > sol > > nancymike wrote: > > >When you find a doctor that will listen about CS, let me know. It wold be a > >rare find. As far as bladder infections, look into d-Mannose. It is an > >aminoacid that will do wonders for bladder infections. > >Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Really clever scam! Warning!
Hi folks, Antivirus firms are warning of a truly nasty phishing ( means a scam based on fooling you into thinking you are going to one safe Site and taking you to another to take you details/money) scheme filling inboxes in South America. Unlike the more familiar emails which attempt to trick people into filling out their bank log-in information on a scammer's site, * this new virus doesn't require the victim to so much as open the email. ** If the targeted computer has not been updated with security patches, the virus will exploit an ActiveX control to run a script. The script will rewrite the computer's HOSTS file, causing all connections to certain banks to be redirected to the scammer's site. Unfortunately, since Outlook and Outlook Express enable the preview pane by default, all you have to do is click the email for it to launch the script. You don't even have to open it. Just attempting to delete the email may cause it to be activated. There will be no protection against this one when it hits the US and Europe if you are using INTERNET EXPLORER OR OUTLOOK OR OUTLOOK EXPRESS. It is so well done and this is only Version .9 a TEST Run one! Please people go get Opera for your Browser - even your mail, or get Eudora for mail. Your Firewall or Antivirus won't even see it coming! Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
At 01:40 PM 11/11/04, Garnet wrote: Are you including all forms of meat here John? Even organic or wild, fish (I know very few are clean)? I realize Ann Wigmore's Hippocrates Health Institute recommended mostly live foods like sprouts and that they are high in protien. Could be that Type O that needs alot of protein would do well on this diet. I think we get used to what we are eating and switching can be difficult. Hi Garnet, don't you EVER sleep :-) At the extreme level of onrushing decomposition(death), yes. Our earliest life/survival knowledge comes from what were the parents of Formal Religions, vis, Jewish dietary laws and the vastly older vedics and the oldest of all the Ku a'la. A constant across all cultures in the earliest times was the advice to "avoid eating any form of meat developed enough to have eyes", as a creature that developed was able to feel pain and fear - and to top it all off was pretty close to you in evolution. Basically, all of the old lore has been proving out for a lng time and if the oldest advice is meat is bad for you unless you have to eat it and then you need to ritually cleanse yourself of the "sin" ( error) a.s.a.p. after eating it We are biologically most unsuited to eating it - even fresh and bloody - but the way we do eat it I must say that before I self-destructed not only was I a true gourmet but a viandere ( meat lover) and didn't recognise anyone as a better chef du meat than me - and that included some top international chefs who were friends of mine thanks to my sincere appreciation of their craft. It was the overall hardest thing to do in my then young life, second only to giving up cigarettes/cigars/pipes/hookahs/etc. But the evidence - ah, the evidence. Unlike most people on this planet I could never fool myself, not in living memory. When I got fat as I regularly cycled thru, I KNEW it. Just before the "slob" point I would go on a ritual near-fast and shed the weight. Put the evidence in front of me and as a certain Physicist said of me once: " Him? A turncoat. Just give him the evidence and he will abandon a stance of years. Totally unreliable." So, yes. The evidence is in: ANY meat is not good for humans. Unless working as a professional Reindeer Herder in Sahkashent in Siberia and willing to do the things they must do just in order to be able to defecate. Like Eskimos, only worse. Some things we can know for sure. Some of those we will ignore to death. My final answer to most things is: Cancer is the toughest thing anyone can face. It is easy to cure. But only by following a time-developed set of rules: 1. Natural diet. And no, meat is not natural and is out. All meat. 2. Change your mind 3. Change your environment 4. Work. Physically. Sure it hurts if you are sick, but is the only way back. 5. Give. The hardest part of all for most. Give what you most fear losing. Then you win. From then on, every time. Now I must stop all this - Mike will be at me for frightening the ducks again. Off to the beach! Peace! Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing
Blood is normally in a very narrow range of pH, if memory serves it is 7.2 - 7.4 which is just on the alkaline side of pH. But you can certainly have an acidodic shift toward acidity, this is not to say it is acidic. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 22:01, Robb Allen wrote: > Blood can't be acidicif it is, then you aren't alive...there is > a very fine margin of ph that the blood must stay within or you aren't alive > anymore.Robb > Harmony4life > www.highpowermagneticpulser.com > - Original Message - > From: "Garnet" > To: "Silver List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:31 PM > Subject: RE: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing > > > > Well we do know normal ranges for urine. And it follows that if it is on > > the acidic side of that range then so is the blood. It is not rocket > > science. But you can make it as complex as you need to. > > > > I can tell when I am acidodic, having been there from oral urine > > therapy, it is easy for me to recognize. > > > > Garnet > > > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 20:11, Ed Kasper wrote: > > > I would add that although the pH reading (salvia/urine) is not > accurate as > > > a correct reading of the body's pH it does give a correct indication of > the > > > direction your body is going when taken over 60-90 days. > > > > > > Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist > > > Acupuncture is a jab well done > > > www.HappyHerbalist.com > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:43 PM > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing > > > > > > > > > The way to determine body pH is to measure the pH of your first urine in > > > the morning, then measure the pH of your saliva first thing in the > morning > > > before you have eaten or drank anything. Then add the numbers together > and > > > divide by 2 to get the average. That average can be considered a close > > > approximation of body pH. As Garnet pointed out, pH taken after eating > or > > > drinking only measures the pH of the food just consumed. > > > > > > I would think that the water we drink is mostly what effects our PH as > we > > > drink much more water than we intake food. One can alter ones PH quickly > by > > > raising the PH of the water one drinks. There is an interesting article > > > here: http://www.altcancer.com/hydrox.htm on pH. > > > > > > David Bearrow > > > > > > At 04:50 PM 11/10/04, you wrote: > > > >http://homecure.com/cat23.html > > > > > > > >AlkaMAX PAPERS > > > >pH Papers HomeCure's AlkaMAX Papers help you monitor your daily > > > >fluctuation from acid to alkaline by giving you valuable information > for > > > >planning a better diet, lifestyle and improving your health. One quick > > > >dip in either urine or saliva gives you immediate results. Measures pH > > > >from 4.5-7.5 > > > > > > > >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:19, Garnet wrote: > > > > > It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy > some > > > > > pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine > after > > > > > eating various types of foods. > > > > > > > > > > Occams Razor strikes again. > > > > > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > -- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
CS>Uveitis Site for Sheila
Hi Sheila, I came across this site when searching for information on Melungeon (mixed race group that predates English settlers) health issues. Looked like a site that might be useful for you. Garnet http://www.uveitis.org/patient/default.html = Hello Garnet, Thursday, October 21, 2004, 3:00:26 PM, you wrote: G> Rabbits are the medical model for study eye effects of pharmaceutical G> agents. Problem is that they are uniquely sensitive to DMSO so are not G> consider a valid model for humans in this instance. Dogs too have been G> reported to have some occular effects with prolonged use. I still use G> DMSO and CS in my dogs eyes, just cleared up a case of conjunctivities G> in a puppy this week by spraying 20% DMSO and CS several hourly -- it G> cleared in less than 10 hours! I did use a bit of Gentocin ointment, G> maybe two applications in between the DMSO CS spray. My 5 mo old puppy G> was so happy when her eye stopped hurting and was obviously grateful for G> the assitance. Hi Garnet, can you tell me if CS and DMSO would be helpful for a case of iritis (anterior uveitis)? My husband has had two acute episodes of this ( he also has lyme ) and had to go on steroid eye drops for several months in each case as he at risk of loosing his sight but obviously he would rather use a more benign substance. Would bathing or spraying his eye with CS & DMSO or MSM help do you know and if so what proportions of these? BW, Sheila -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
At 07:19 AM 11/11/04, you wrote: It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after eating various types of foods. Occams Razor strikes again. Garnet Sorry Garnet, that's the Ayrab version . Ockham's Razor would "slice" again... :-) "Dipping in to the problem" isn't quite that easy though. We need to slice the problem into 3 segments: What is going in? What is going on? What is going out? Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing
Blood can't be acidicif it is, then you aren't alive...there is a very fine margin of ph that the blood must stay within or you aren't alive anymore.Robb Harmony4life www.highpowermagneticpulser.com - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: RE: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing > Well we do know normal ranges for urine. And it follows that if it is on > the acidic side of that range then so is the blood. It is not rocket > science. But you can make it as complex as you need to. > > I can tell when I am acidodic, having been there from oral urine > therapy, it is easy for me to recognize. > > Garnet > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 20:11, Ed Kasper wrote: > > I would add that although the pH reading (salvia/urine) is not accurate as > > a correct reading of the body's pH it does give a correct indication of the > > direction your body is going when taken over 60-90 days. > > > > Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist > > Acupuncture is a jab well done > > www.HappyHerbalist.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:43 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing > > > > > > The way to determine body pH is to measure the pH of your first urine in > > the morning, then measure the pH of your saliva first thing in the morning > > before you have eaten or drank anything. Then add the numbers together and > > divide by 2 to get the average. That average can be considered a close > > approximation of body pH. As Garnet pointed out, pH taken after eating or > > drinking only measures the pH of the food just consumed. > > > > I would think that the water we drink is mostly what effects our PH as we > > drink much more water than we intake food. One can alter ones PH quickly by > > raising the PH of the water one drinks. There is an interesting article > > here: http://www.altcancer.com/hydrox.htm on pH. > > > > David Bearrow > > > > At 04:50 PM 11/10/04, you wrote: > > >http://homecure.com/cat23.html > > > > > >AlkaMAX PAPERS > > >pH Papers HomeCure's AlkaMAX Papers help you monitor your daily > > >fluctuation from acid to alkaline by giving you valuable information for > > >planning a better diet, lifestyle and improving your health. One quick > > >dip in either urine or saliva gives you immediate results. Measures pH > > >from 4.5-7.5 > > > > > >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:19, Garnet wrote: > > > > It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some > > > > pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after > > > > eating various types of foods. > > > > > > > > Occams Razor strikes again. > > > > > > > > Garnet > > > > -- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 21:46, John Rigby wrote: > As meat eaters, particularly dead stuff - carrion - if you will pardon the > pun: > we just don't have the stomach for it!! As in "carry on" the traditional Standard American Diet? We have a local T shirt that honors our buzzard population, without whom the abundance of road kill deer would surely cause the road crews to put on more workers to keep up. It is a buzzard sitting on a highway sign that says "Carrion The Tradition". Gotta love those buzzards. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
At 04:32 AM 11/11/04, you wrote: SNIP o adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to prove either belief. HTH, sol Hi Sol, Ah! Here I can help you. The confusion is in the insistence that modern foods are the same as those of even 100 years ago. First problem. The second problem is in the combining of food at the time of attempting to digest it.Logical will tell you that YOU have one stomach. Some foods require to be digested by a highly concentrated acid process. Others require an alkaline process. The killer ( literally) is in bad combinations of food and today the mutated monstrocities that are no relation to the legumes etc or especially, meat of old. Man is an amazing food machine - a true omnivore - but that doesn't mean we should stress the machine with very demanding - work. As meat eaters, particularly dead stuff - carrion - if you will pardon the pun: we just don't have the stomach for it!! :-) AND the proof is in the pudding. Are you sick? REALLY sick? Just give up the "good things" especially meat, white stuff, and cut back once you are off the meat on the H20. It's magic! Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Are you including all forms of meat here John? Even organic or wild, fish (I know very few are clean)? I realize Ann Wigmore's Hippocrates Health Institute recommended mostly live foods like sprouts and that they are high in protien. Could be that Type O that needs alot of protein would do well on this diet. I think we get used to what we are eating and switching can be difficult. I gave up beef a couple years ago because my teenage daughter, who does most of the cooing read that it spikes testosterone and causes acne. Sure enough the acne we all had was much improved. And now we no longer crave it, in fact it repels all of us. I used to crave rare meat once a month when PMSing. I still eat natural or organic pork, chicken and look for wild caught fish. Not bottom feeders though. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 21:11, John Rigby wrote: > At 12:18 AM 11/11/04, Joni wrote: > >Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes > >MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > > > >I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, > >very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove > >most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk > >and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I > >drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, > >but I am trying. > > > >joni > > Hi Joni, > It *is* all very confusing. But you should see what happens to people who > "advance" to the Cancer zone! > The trauma of being told that you have The Big C - especially as everyone > really knows it is a death sentence (if the diagnosis is right) - is hard > enough to take, but then you have to cope with both well-meaning bum advice > and deliberate bum advice from all sorts of quarters. > > Having worked directly with nearly a thousand so-called "Terminal" Cancer > patients over a long time and being one, the Cancervivor Underground > developed a lot of data that was "untainted" by outside vested > interests. We developed a lot of techniques for coping and curing and here > is the simple truth of untold hours of experience: > 1. Diet determines whether you live or die well. (That does mean everybody) > As Sol said his idea is that a no meat diet is not best for everyone. But > we are talking about dying people here. In all of our "salvation records" > we do not know of a single person who died following the 5 Rules. We do > know of thousands who died by not following them. The single most critical > one is to give up meat. It even makes healthy people sick. Of course, it > goes without saying that sugar is right up there with it. > > 2. Personal resolution and action is next important. > You either stop believing the nonsense escapism that you "catch" > Cancer/colds/flu/pregnancy and it isn't your fault, or you die. Because you > have to suddenly become very SELF-determined and accept the reality and do > the necessary. ALWAYS against great opposition, some well-meaning, some > deliberately destructive. > > 3. Getting completely away from the Medical Industry is vital. > ( People do survive the "treatments", but very rarely and never well). The > greatest truth you will ever learn is that the truth of health is that it > has no money in it for anyone. Thus, it is denigrated with unbelievable > ferocity by The System. > > You might find a visit here a good start towards reality - hard to take, > but the real thing. http://fablor.com/matrixide > One of the books found very good as a "starter" by thousands of > Cancervivors is "Health On Your Plate" by Janet Pleshette ISBN > -0-600-20377-8 or any starter books of Macrobiotics. > > As a golden rule, the only people worth talking to are those who have > actually been there and done that. The survivors. > > The rest, no matter how well-meaning just don't have a clue. Worse, there > are a lot of incredibly powerful vested interests like the Pharma/Doctors, > whose whole life is bound up in you never knowing the truth and never > getting well. > > This is a big subject area, but very pertinent to any list like CS because > here you can get just a glimpse of what "They" have done and will do to > stop you ever getting to the truth of something as simple and magical as CS > - known for thousands of years for its efficacy. > > The good news is ANYONE can make it back, but so few want to develop the > discipline - they would rather die than give up their "good life" , so they > do. > > To all of you out there - don't despair. If tough gigs like Cancer and MS > and Sugar Diabetes and Manic Depression and AIDS can be removed, how tough > can your problem REALLY be? > It is only the actual cure that is tough.. and most people aren't > in enough pain ( thanks to modern medicine) to be forced to act. > > Pepto anyone? > > Cheers! > > Himagain > > > > > -- > The Silver List is
Re: CS>OLE and worms, was Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
Well psychologically at least I felt a whole lot better! But it made me want to do more regular wormings on myself. And to do the liver and gallbladder cleanses. But I still have not done any of this. I have even considered Ivermectin, which is approved for humans and is not a load on the liver because it is not metabolized. I keep it around for my dogs and horses. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 20:51, sol wrote: > Oh, very cool! Not to have worms, but to get rid of them! What sort of > overall health changes did that result in? Anything you could tell? > TIA, > sol > > Garnet wrote: > > >Most people take probiotics just in case. I did not have any problem > >after taking it at very high doses for three days followed by another > >week of 500 mg every three to four hours. I did not take probiotics. > > > >I did however pass masses of worms for four days starting on day 7 ! > >Yikes! > > > >Garnet > > > >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:47, Sally Khanna wrote: > > > > > >>Will it upset the intestinal flora? > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>argyria
At 03:38 AM 11/11/04, you wrote: Ed, Thanks for your sharing. Also in Traditional Chinese Medicine they look at the tongue too. Adie Dear Adie, The greatest damage done to the vast wealth of help available via Chinese Traditional Medicine is done by often well-meaning Westerners -especially half-trained ones. Just as an example: It takes about 5 years just to learn to take all the pulses that a Chinese-trained Chinese Medical Practitioner uses as a basic diagnostic tool. ONLY a very well-experienced trained practitioner can do much for you using the Chinese Herbal and "Stream" system of diagnosis and treatment. AND the treatment WILL take months. AND you will still hurt. It doesn't shape up to well against the instant no-hurt-5-minute-anaesthetic Western fix from a guy who doesn't even insist that you give up all the goodies that brought you there. But, I even know of a trained Chinese Medical Practitioner that has let his child be vaccinated... out of fear. Then could not understand how their child developed severe brain damage. Nothing in the Chinese sphere presaged it. It was an impossible affliction. Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Some people need a physical validation of what they are sensing. Other are more intuitive and not so questioning. Personally I pay a lot of attention to what foods I am craving and when it is during my monthly cycle, for those still cycling. And this includes men, they cycle on a ~72 cycle of sperm productiong and have many of the same hormones as women. I swear they have a male version of PMS and Perimenopause. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 20:49, sol wrote: > It is more than just the issue of pH, though. And I do think a lot of > people are like me and find it helpful to 1) have a diagnostic tool to > help determine metabolic type on several levels, and 2) a clear plan for > a basic diet and 3) clear plans for how to "challenge" the diet and vary > it to fine tune it to oneself, individually. > So for me it was not at all as simple as a pH strip. It would have > told me where I was, but not at all what to do about it. I guess I could > have bumbled my way through it. But for the price of an inexpensive book > I really feel I avoided months of blind fooling around. > sol > > Garnet wrote: > > >It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some > >pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after > >eating various types of foods. > > > >Occams Razor strikes again. > > > >Garnet > > > >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:32, sol wrote: > > > > > >> The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very > >>interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and > >>meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite > >>reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. > >> "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in > >>"absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient > >>has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity > >>inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of > >>foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and > >>highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls > >>in different metabolic types." > >> The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out > >>their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test > >>diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. > >> Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing > >>the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who > >>have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to > >>also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system > >>somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they > >>believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read > >>many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are > >>bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are > >>biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one > >>can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to > >>prove either belief. > >>HTH, > >>sol > >> > >> > >>Joni Lovegrove wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what > >>>alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > >>> > >>>I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, > >>>nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to > >>>remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt > >>>and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and > >>>vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting > >>>out the sugar, but I am trying. > >>> > >>>joni > >>> > >>> > >>>Original Message Follows > >>>From: sol > >>>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >>>Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > >>>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 > >>> > >>>A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body > >>>depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. > >>>sol > >>> > >>>j rigby wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi there, Joni > > Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO > take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the > CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no > white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. > > > > >>>-- > >>>The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >>> > >>>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >>> > >>>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >>>Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >>> > >>>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >>>OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/
RE: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing
Well we do know normal ranges for urine. And it follows that if it is on the acidic side of that range then so is the blood. It is not rocket science. But you can make it as complex as you need to. I can tell when I am acidodic, having been there from oral urine therapy, it is easy for me to recognize. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 20:11, Ed Kasper wrote: > I would add that although the pH reading (salvia/urine) is not accurate as > a correct reading of the body's pH it does give a correct indication of the > direction your body is going when taken over 60-90 days. > > Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist > Acupuncture is a jab well done > www.HappyHerbalist.com > > > -Original Message- > From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:43 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing > > > The way to determine body pH is to measure the pH of your first urine in > the morning, then measure the pH of your saliva first thing in the morning > before you have eaten or drank anything. Then add the numbers together and > divide by 2 to get the average. That average can be considered a close > approximation of body pH. As Garnet pointed out, pH taken after eating or > drinking only measures the pH of the food just consumed. > > I would think that the water we drink is mostly what effects our PH as we > drink much more water than we intake food. One can alter ones PH quickly by > raising the PH of the water one drinks. There is an interesting article > here: http://www.altcancer.com/hydrox.htm on pH. > > David Bearrow > > At 04:50 PM 11/10/04, you wrote: > >http://homecure.com/cat23.html > > > >AlkaMAX PAPERS > >pH Papers HomeCure's AlkaMAX Papers help you monitor your daily > >fluctuation from acid to alkaline by giving you valuable information for > >planning a better diet, lifestyle and improving your health. One quick > >dip in either urine or saliva gives you immediate results. Measures pH > >from 4.5-7.5 > > > >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:19, Garnet wrote: > > > It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some > > > pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after > > > eating various types of foods. > > > > > > Occams Razor strikes again. > > > > > > Garnet > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Formatting
At 12:57 AM 11/11/04, you wrote: All my emails should be plain text. I just checked my settings and they are set to ask me if there is any html, and for the list I always select plain text. However it is very rare for it to ask me, so that should mean it is already plain text unless my Netscape is messing up. Marshall Hi Marshall, well, it works for you now! Cos it works for me! :-) Anyone else not getting this mail straight? Himagain John Rigby wrote: > Hi folks, > Depending on which mail program is being used, there are options for the > format of the mail being sent. If people used something sane like Eudora > Pro ( can even have it for nix) or Opera or anything except > Micro$oft products it is very easy to set the options to something like: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
At 12:18 AM 11/11/04, Joni wrote: Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Hi Joni, It *is* all very confusing. But you should see what happens to people who "advance" to the Cancer zone! The trauma of being told that you have The Big C - especially as everyone really knows it is a death sentence (if the diagnosis is right) - is hard enough to take, but then you have to cope with both well-meaning bum advice and deliberate bum advice from all sorts of quarters. Having worked directly with nearly a thousand so-called "Terminal" Cancer patients over a long time and being one, the Cancervivor Underground developed a lot of data that was "untainted" by outside vested interests. We developed a lot of techniques for coping and curing and here is the simple truth of untold hours of experience: 1. Diet determines whether you live or die well. (That does mean everybody) As Sol said his idea is that a no meat diet is not best for everyone. But we are talking about dying people here. In all of our "salvation records" we do not know of a single person who died following the 5 Rules. We do know of thousands who died by not following them. The single most critical one is to give up meat. It even makes healthy people sick. Of course, it goes without saying that sugar is right up there with it. 2. Personal resolution and action is next important. You either stop believing the nonsense escapism that you "catch" Cancer/colds/flu/pregnancy and it isn't your fault, or you die. Because you have to suddenly become very SELF-determined and accept the reality and do the necessary. ALWAYS against great opposition, some well-meaning, some deliberately destructive. 3. Getting completely away from the Medical Industry is vital. ( People do survive the "treatments", but very rarely and never well). The greatest truth you will ever learn is that the truth of health is that it has no money in it for anyone. Thus, it is denigrated with unbelievable ferocity by The System. You might find a visit here a good start towards reality - hard to take, but the real thing. http://fablor.com/matrixide One of the books found very good as a "starter" by thousands of Cancervivors is "Health On Your Plate" by Janet Pleshette ISBN -0-600-20377-8 or any starter books of Macrobiotics. As a golden rule, the only people worth talking to are those who have actually been there and done that. The survivors. The rest, no matter how well-meaning just don't have a clue. Worse, there are a lot of incredibly powerful vested interests like the Pharma/Doctors, whose whole life is bound up in you never knowing the truth and never getting well. This is a big subject area, but very pertinent to any list like CS because here you can get just a glimpse of what "They" have done and will do to stop you ever getting to the truth of something as simple and magical as CS - known for thousands of years for its efficacy. The good news is ANYONE can make it back, but so few want to develop the discipline - they would rather die than give up their "good life" , so they do. To all of you out there - don't despair. If tough gigs like Cancer and MS and Sugar Diabetes and Manic Depression and AIDS can be removed, how tough can your problem REALLY be? It is only the actual cure that is tough.. and most people aren't in enough pain ( thanks to modern medicine) to be forced to act. Pepto anyone? Cheers! Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OLE and worms, was Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
Oh, very cool! Not to have worms, but to get rid of them! What sort of overall health changes did that result in? Anything you could tell? TIA, sol Garnet wrote: Most people take probiotics just in case. I did not have any problem after taking it at very high doses for three days followed by another week of 500 mg every three to four hours. I did not take probiotics. I did however pass masses of worms for four days starting on day 7 ! Yikes! Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:47, Sally Khanna wrote: Will it upset the intestinal flora? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
It is more than just the issue of pH, though. And I do think a lot of people are like me and find it helpful to 1) have a diagnostic tool to help determine metabolic type on several levels, and 2) a clear plan for a basic diet and 3) clear plans for how to "challenge" the diet and vary it to fine tune it to oneself, individually. So for me it was not at all as simple as a pH strip. It would have told me where I was, but not at all what to do about it. I guess I could have bumbled my way through it. But for the price of an inexpensive book I really feel I avoided months of blind fooling around. sol Garnet wrote: It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after eating various types of foods. Occams Razor strikes again. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:32, sol wrote: The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in "absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls in different metabolic types." The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to prove either belief. HTH, sol Joni Lovegrove wrote: Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Original Message Follows From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. sol j rigby wrote: Hi there, Joni Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
RE: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing
I would add that although the pH reading (salvia/urine) is not accurate as a correct reading of the body's pH it does give a correct indication of the direction your body is going when taken over 60-90 days. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com -Original Message- From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:43 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing The way to determine body pH is to measure the pH of your first urine in the morning, then measure the pH of your saliva first thing in the morning before you have eaten or drank anything. Then add the numbers together and divide by 2 to get the average. That average can be considered a close approximation of body pH. As Garnet pointed out, pH taken after eating or drinking only measures the pH of the food just consumed. I would think that the water we drink is mostly what effects our PH as we drink much more water than we intake food. One can alter ones PH quickly by raising the PH of the water one drinks. There is an interesting article here: http://www.altcancer.com/hydrox.htm on pH. David Bearrow At 04:50 PM 11/10/04, you wrote: >http://homecure.com/cat23.html > >AlkaMAX PAPERS >pH Papers HomeCure's AlkaMAX Papers help you monitor your daily >fluctuation from acid to alkaline by giving you valuable information for >planning a better diet, lifestyle and improving your health. One quick >dip in either urine or saliva gives you immediate results. Measures pH >from 4.5-7.5 > >On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:19, Garnet wrote: > > It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some > > pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after > > eating various types of foods. > > > > Occams Razor strikes again. > > > > Garnet -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing
The way to determine body pH is to measure the pH of your first urine in the morning, then measure the pH of your saliva first thing in the morning before you have eaten or drank anything. Then add the numbers together and divide by 2 to get the average. That average can be considered a close approximation of body pH. As Garnet pointed out, pH taken after eating or drinking only measures the pH of the food just consumed. I would think that the water we drink is mostly what effects our PH as we drink much more water than we intake food. One can alter ones PH quickly by raising the PH of the water one drinks. There is an interesting article here: http://www.altcancer.com/hydrox.htm on pH. David Bearrow At 04:50 PM 11/10/04, you wrote: http://homecure.com/cat23.html AlkaMAX PAPERS pH Papers HomeCure's AlkaMAX Papers help you monitor your daily fluctuation from acid to alkaline by giving you valuable information for planning a better diet, lifestyle and improving your health. One quick dip in either urine or saliva gives you immediate results. Measures pH from 4.5-7.5 On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:19, Garnet wrote: > It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some > pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after > eating various types of foods. > > Occams Razor strikes again. > > Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re : CS>best pppm of CS to make and use
Re: CS>Re : CS>best pppm of CS to make and use From: Ode Coyote Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:11:54 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74936.html [...] > When using constant stirring the overall diffusion stays pretty > much uniform and the diffusion layer is constantly disrupted. The Nernst diffusion layer may be very thin - perhaps a micrometer thick or less. This is probably well within the boundary layer where the velocity is zero, so it may be untouched by stirring. It's the same idea that a fan can have dust accumulate on the flat portion of the blade. However, stirring would definitely distribute the ions through the dw better than plain convection currents, and would make the cell voltage profile much more predictable with time. [...] > Another way is to predict how far past shut down conductivity you > need to go so conductivity and the desired PPM match up 'after' it > stabilizes. > Since running at a controlled current makes ion production very > close to linear with time and shut down conductivity references a > timing start point, it's not very hard to make a time prediction > for an end point to reach a desired PPM. Volume of water becomes a > timing factor. I've been thinking this would be an absolutely ideal application for a small cheap 8-bit micro. They have 8-bit A/D and D/A converters, a Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) output, various I/O ports, and as much memory as you could desire. They are extemely cheap and could eliminate most of the descrete components you have on the board now. You could monitor the voltage profile, and calculate a least squares fit to the curve (preferable a straight line) to determine when to shut off the current. This would allow the system to accommodate different volumes of dw automatically. You could calculate the ppm as a function of current and time, and detect the start of oxide production to tell when to shut down. There's all kinds of diagnostics you could add to the system. [...] >> Yes, there is a correlation between uS and ppm. I have posted it >> numerous times. Ivan Anderson measured the ppm using an Ion >> Selective Electrode and the conductance using a conductivity >> probe, and found 1uS = 1.08ppm: > This varies with particulate content which is a portion of the > total silver content not picked up by either instrument. > Generally, the higher the PPM, the higher the particle to ion > ratio. "If" all those particles really are silver oxides and > inert, then it doesn't matter to the 'ion only' effective PPM. Yes, the particles really are oxides, and they really are inert. > I would think that ionic PPM will never be lower than conductivity > as long as all that conductivity is a result of only silver ions > and not something else. [Are unstable hydroxls conductive?] The oxides do not contribute to the conductivity of the cs, and here's how we can tell. If you measure the cell voltage, it decreases with time as ions enter the solution. However, as soon as the ions reach the opposite electrodes, oxide formation begins in the Nernst diffusion layer. The cell voltage stops decreasing and flattens out. This shows all the current is going to making oxides. But, if the oxides contributed to the conductivity, the cell voltage would continue decreasing indefinitely. >> I combined his data with Frank Key's, and found it averaged to >> 1.0074, which is close enough to 1 uS = 1 ppm for our needs: > Yup. Close is good enough for a grenade. OK, Ken, just for you I'll use 1.0074 ppm = 1 uS, which is 0.74% different from the rest of us. How many decimal points do you want?:) [...] > I've found that using thermal updraft in a tall container poops out > near the top and conductivity builds up high up where the elctrodes > are sampling conductivity as evidenced by immediately manually > stirring a tall batch drops the overall conductivity some but Not > enough to account for all the conductivity drop over time. > Enhancing the velocity of the updraft with a funnel as a chimney > does very nicely but the very narrow tube in the funnels available > may be a bit small and concentrate ions within it...sometimes...a > little too much. > Top down mechnical stirring in a tall container has water velocity > related effects that I like even less. What happened to the simple thermal stirring you used to use? Actually, I tried it as well as the other methods, and found running without stirring worked best for me. Of course, I use about 1/10th the current density you do, so the brew takes longer. That's OK - I still make much more than I can use. With 22 ppm, I only need 1 oz every three or four days, where I used to need 8 oz of 10 ppm every day, a
Re: CS>flu ban
Homeopathic is a type of preparation from any number of sources such as herbs, minerals, body tissues, body fluids, etc. Homeopathic merely refers to the way the material is prepared and diluted. Homeopathy is based on the law of similars. It's basic precept is that a substance that produces similar symptoms to the symptoms the patient exhibits as most predominant, will in infintesimal dilution stimulate the body at a subtle (energetic or virbratory if you will) level to correct the symptom. Therefore the herbs you mention could well be in the formula but as I said toxicity is a matter of dose. Additionally there is a measure called the Therapeutic Index that is the Therapeutic Dose divided by the dose that kills have of the test animals, the Lethal Dose 50. The closer to one the Therapeutic dose is the more toxic an agent is at this dose. A low Therapeutic Index indicates an agent with a large margin of safety. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 18:02, Betsy Coffey wrote: > I posted to Steve about the flu ban and would like to > share this with Garnett and others on the silver > forum. I have been using olive leaf for ongoing > infection and was interested in Flu Ban thinking that > it may have something extra to offer in the way of an > anti-infective agent. Anytime i hear about a > supplement, I try to research it because I once took > something that was natural and it made me very ill. > So, I googled Flu Ban and found some ingredients > called Monkshood and Banewort. I then looked up these > ingredients on google and it said that they were > toxic. You can find the information on google if you > type in these words but I would be glad to post them > for you if you cannot find them.what I am puzzled > about now, is that Steve wrote back after I posted > this, something about this being a homopathic formula. > This sparked my interest because I was fairly sure > that monkshead and Banewort were herbs. So, I typed in > Flu Ban again and came up with some homopathic > ingredients called Belladona and Gelsemium. So now I > am beginning to wonder if there are two different > formulas. > Sorry if I confused anyone. > Can anyone shed some light on this? > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>flu ban
I posted to Steve about the flu ban and would like to share this with Garnett and others on the silver forum. I have been using olive leaf for ongoing infection and was interested in Flu Ban thinking that it may have something extra to offer in the way of an anti-infective agent. Anytime i hear about a supplement, I try to research it because I once took something that was natural and it made me very ill. So, I googled Flu Ban and found some ingredients called Monkshood and Banewort. I then looked up these ingredients on google and it said that they were toxic. You can find the information on google if you type in these words but I would be glad to post them for you if you cannot find them.what I am puzzled about now, is that Steve wrote back after I posted this, something about this being a homopathic formula. This sparked my interest because I was fairly sure that monkshead and Banewort were herbs. So, I typed in Flu Ban again and came up with some homopathic ingredients called Belladona and Gelsemium. So now I am beginning to wonder if there are two different formulas. Sorry if I confused anyone. Can anyone shed some light on this? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
Yes it is often used to worm horses. I have used it on my horses. I buy it in bulk from www.fludan.com, call them and ask for Daneeka. She owns their sister site www.oliviaspassion.com that is an herbal site but I am not sure it is listed. Bulk is cheap and the way to go for horse quantities. You can grind it in a cool grind coffee mill, or brew it into a tea. The tea is bitter. You can also extract it into DMSO, macerate 30 days and then apply topically or dose orally. www.meadowsweet.com has it in one of their horse formulas. But be sure you are buying European not domestic. And ask for the batch assay number. You want at least 17% Oleuropein content. Many supplemnets are labeled to have this much but when checked by independant labs were found not to be in compliance with their labels. Bluebonnet is one that is not in compliance and uses domestic grown olive leaves. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 16:58, Sally Khanna wrote: > Sounds like a good thing to keep handy. Do you know if it's safe dor > horses? > > Sally > > Garnet wrote: > Most people take probiotics just in case. I did not have any > problem > after taking it at very high doses for three days followed by > another > week of 500 mg every three to four hours. I did not take > probiotics. > > I did however pass masses of worms for four days starting on > day 7 ! > Yikes! > > Garnet > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:47, Sally Khanna wrote: > > Will it upset the intestinal flora? > > > > Sally > > > > Garnet wrote: > > When I had the Fujian Flu and a severe case of fever > blisters > > that made > > my facial nerves throb up to my eyeballs I took 750 mg every > > two hours > > for three days, except when asleep at night. > > > > I used Solaray Capsules. > > > > Garnet > > > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 11:21, sol wrote: > > > I would like some brand and d! osage recommendations for > OLE. > > What have > > > people successfully used and found to be good > > quality/effective. (if > > > someone has already posted this I missed it--only seen one > > > recommendation for Solaray brand) > > > TIA, > > > sol > > > > > > scl...@netzero.net wrote: > > > > > > > Olive Leaf alone though can do the job against most > > diseases. > > > > > > > >Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing > > Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
Sounds like a good thing to keep handy. Do you know if it's safe dor horses? Sally Garnet wrote: Most people take probiotics just in case. I did not have any problem after taking it at very high doses for three days followed by another week of 500 mg every three to four hours. I did not take probiotics. I did however pass masses of worms for four days starting on day 7 ! Yikes! Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:47, Sally Khanna wrote: > Will it upset the intestinal flora? > > Sally > > Garnet wrote: > When I had the Fujian Flu and a severe case of fever blisters > that made > my facial nerves throb up to my eyeballs I took 750 mg every > two hours > for three days, except when asleep at night. > > I used Solaray Capsules. > > Garnet > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 11:21, sol wrote: > > I would like some brand and dosage recommendations for OLE. > What have > > people successfully used and found to be good > quality/effective. (if > > someone has already posted this I missed it--only seen one > > recommendation for Solaray brand) > > TIA, > > sol > > > > scl...@netzero.net wrote: > > > > > Olive Leaf alone though can do the job against most > diseases. > > > > > >Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing > Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
CS>Determining Body pH by Urine Testing
http://homecure.com/cat23.html AlkaMAX PAPERS pH Papers HomeCure's AlkaMAX Papers help you monitor your daily fluctuation from acid to alkaline by giving you valuable information for planning a better diet, lifestyle and improving your health. One quick dip in either urine or saliva gives you immediate results. Measures pH from 4.5-7.5 On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:19, Garnet wrote: > It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some > pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after > eating various types of foods. > > Occams Razor strikes again. > > Garnet > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:32, sol wrote: > > The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very > > interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and > > meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite > > reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. > > "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in > > "absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient > > has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity > > inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of > > foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and > > highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls > > in different metabolic types." > > The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out > > their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test > > diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. > >Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing > > the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who > > have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to > > also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system > > somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they > > believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read > > many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are > > bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are > > biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one > > can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to > > prove either belief. > > HTH, > > sol > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove wrote: > > > > > Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what > > > alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > > > > > > I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, > > > nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to > > > remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt > > > and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and > > > vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting > > > out the sugar, but I am trying. > > > > > > joni > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > > From: sol > > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 > > > > > > A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body > > > depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. > > > sol > > > > > > j rigby wrote: > > > > > >> Hi there, Joni > > >> > > >> Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO > > >> take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the > > >> CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no > > >> white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
Most people take probiotics just in case. I did not have any problem after taking it at very high doses for three days followed by another week of 500 mg every three to four hours. I did not take probiotics. I did however pass masses of worms for four days starting on day 7 ! Yikes! Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 15:47, Sally Khanna wrote: > Will it upset the intestinal flora? > > Sally > > Garnet wrote: > When I had the Fujian Flu and a severe case of fever blisters > that made > my facial nerves throb up to my eyeballs I took 750 mg every > two hours > for three days, except when asleep at night. > > I used Solaray Capsules. > > Garnet > > On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 11:21, sol wrote: > > I would like some brand and dosage recommendations for OLE. > What have > > people successfully used and found to be good > quality/effective. (if > > someone has already posted this I missed it--only seen one > > recommendation for Solaray brand) > > TIA, > > sol > > > > scl...@netzero.net wrote: > > > > > Olive Leaf alone though can do the job against most > diseases. > > > > > >Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing > Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
Will it upset the intestinal flora? Sally Garnet wrote: When I had the Fujian Flu and a severe case of fever blisters that made my facial nerves throb up to my eyeballs I took 750 mg every two hours for three days, except when asleep at night. I used Solaray Capsules. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 11:21, sol wrote: > I would like some brand and dosage recommendations for OLE. What have > people successfully used and found to be good quality/effective. (if > someone has already posted this I missed it--only seen one > recommendation for Solaray brand) > TIA, > sol > > scl...@netzero.net wrote: > > > Olive Leaf alone though can do the job against most diseases. > > > >Steve > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
CS>Flu Ban Toxic ?
Steve, First lets define poison. It is dose related. There are many substances that at apporpriate doses that do not have toxic effects on the body, but if you take too much you WILL die. Like for instance WATER -- four gallons in rapid succession will kill you. Don't try this at home. The ingredients in Flu Ban are not poison except to pathogens at the labeled dosages. Homeopathic concentrations are not in grains, they are not even measurable over 12C, because they are ulta-dilute to the point that at higher potencies than 12C there is only an energy imprint and none of the original substance. For more information I suggest the very good scientific treatment of Homeopathy in The Emerging Science of Homeopathy Complexity, Biodynamics and Nanopharmacology by Paolo Bellavite Phd and Andrea Signorini, MD It is available from www.amazon.com The medical industry is not the only industry that is poisoning us and the earth. Herbs can kill and have toxic effects as easily as any pharmaceutical. We are all participants in the cylce of toxin production by our consumption of goods that utilize or produced toxic products. Take responsibility for you own life first. There is very little you do that does not impact some form of the biosphere in a negative manner. Coming from integrity is the only way. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 11:23, scl...@netzero.net wrote: At the bottom of the page of this website are the ingredients in Flu-ban if anyone wants to read. If you look them up in medical literature some are listed as a poison. If you them up in homeopathic references all are listed as a homeopathic supplement,very small quantities, they speak of grains. Whats kills me (no pun intended) is the medical industry is little killing, poisoning, 747s full of people everyday and you hardly hear anything of it. But if something happens to one person taking an herbal overdose or colloidal silver ( Rosemary, the blue lady) the whole world is notified immediately. I could cry. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
It is simple to figure out what your diet is doing to your pH. Buy some pH test strips like diabetics use and measure the pH of your urine after eating various types of foods. Occams Razor strikes again. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 12:32, sol wrote: > The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very > interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and > meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite > reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. > "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in > "absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient > has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity > inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of > foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and > highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls > in different metabolic types." > The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out > their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test > diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. >Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing > the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who > have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to > also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system > somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they > believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read > many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are > bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are > biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one > can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to > prove either belief. > HTH, > sol > > > Joni Lovegrove wrote: > > > Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what > > alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > > > > I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, > > nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to > > remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt > > and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and > > vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting > > out the sugar, but I am trying. > > > > joni > > > > > > Original Message Follows > > From: sol > > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 > > > > A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body > > depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. > > sol > > > > j rigby wrote: > > > >> Hi there, Joni > >> > >> Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO > >> take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the > >> CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no > >> white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. > >> > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > Joni Lovegrove > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
When I had the Fujian Flu and a severe case of fever blisters that made my facial nerves throb up to my eyeballs I took 750 mg every two hours for three days, except when asleep at night. I used Solaray Capsules. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 11:21, sol wrote: > I would like some brand and dosage recommendations for OLE. What have > people successfully used and found to be good quality/effective. (if > someone has already posted this I missed it--only seen one > recommendation for Solaray brand) > TIA, > sol > > scl...@netzero.net wrote: > > > Olive Leaf alone though can do the job against most diseases. > > > >Steve > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
So could I. But we know why that is done, don't we? But just look at the recent news about Vioxx. Finally, things are hitting the proverbial fan. Sally "scl...@netzero.net" wrote: At the bottom of the page of this website are the ingredients in Flu-ban if anyone wants to read. If you look them up in medical literature some are listed as a poison. If you them up in homeopathic references all are listed as a homeopathic supplement,very small quantities, they speak of grains. Whats kills me (no pun intended) is the medical industry is little killing, poisoning, 747s full of people everyday and you hardly hear anything of it. But if something happens to one person taking an herbal overdose or colloidal silver ( Rosemary, the blue lady) the whole world is notified immediately. I could cry. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve (woops forgot to post website)
http://www.otrecure.com/user/products2_frames.html Woops forgot to post this. OLE ingredients listed at the bottom of the web page. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
What website??? On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 11:23, scl...@netzero.net wrote: > At the bottom of the page of this website are the ingredients in Flu-ban if > anyone wants to read. If you look them up in medical literature some are > listed as a poison. If you them up in homeopathic references all are listed > as a homeopathic supplement,very small quantities, they speak of grains. > Whats kills me (no pun intended) is the medical industry is little killing, > poisoning, 747s full of people everyday and you hardly hear anything of it. > But if something happens to one person taking an herbal overdose or colloidal > silver ( Rosemary, the blue lady) the whole world is notified immediately. I > could cry. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Formatting
I use Netscape too, so if you ever figure out if the problem is actually with Netscape, pls post it here, thanks! sol Marshall Dudley wrote: All my emails should be plain text. I just checked my settings and they are set to ask me if there is any html, and for the list I always select plain text. However it is very rare for it to ask me, so that should mean it is already plain text unless my Netscape is messing up. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
The Metabolic Typing Diet by William Wolcott and Trish Fahey. Very interesting book. For autonomic dominants vegetables alkalinize and meats acidify. However oxidative dominants get the opposite reaction---vegetables acidify, and meats alkalinize. "the pH effect of any given food cannot be viewed in "absolute" terms. Contrary to conventional wisdom, no food or nutrient has an acid or alkaline effect on the body because of some qulaity inherent in the foood or nutrient. Rather, the acid/alkaline effect of foods and nutrients ont eh body are determined by their variable and highly specific effects onthe various fundamental homeostatic controls in different metabolic types." The book contains a detailed questionnaire to help one figure out their metabolic type, as well as detailed instructions on how to do test diet adjustments to really fine tune diet for oneself. Ironically, in trying to change to a healhier diet you may be doing the reverse of what YOUR body needs. Incredibly to me, most people who have adopted belief in vegetarianism or in a heavy meat diet, tend to also adopt the belief, very rigidly that their particular belief system somehow reflects human evolution, and that therefore the diet they believe in is best for every single human on the planet. I have read many articles defending and promoting the idea that 1) humans are bilogically and evolutionarily vegans/vegetarians, and 2) humans are biologically and evolutionarily carnivores. So far as I can tell, one can compare GI functions and measure intestinal lengths ad nauseum to prove either belief. HTH, sol Joni Lovegrove wrote: Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Original Message Follows From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. sol j rigby wrote: Hi there, Joni Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
I have found Eastpark Resaerch to be among the best OLEs. Dosage for a serious viral,bacterial, or parasitic problem is 6 caps/day taken 2 at a time with lots of water. Take with a little food. These can be rough on an empty stomach because of their potency. You may have die-off symptoms if you are very ill. I have tried the cheaper brands and they don't work. These are not distributed to health food stores. The target market is actually doctors. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>argyria
Ed, Thanks for your sharing. Also in Traditional Chinese Medicine they look at the tongue too. Adie - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
On the Solaray bottle it say take 2 caps a day with food. I got some yesterday. Adie - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
RE: CS>argyria
According to Traditional Chinese Medicine this usually reflects the state of Blood. Either Blood Deficiency with Internal Cold or Blood Stagnation. TCM terms: http://www.happyherbalist.com/tcm_terms.htm A distinction has to be made between Blood Deficiency with Internal Cold (deficiency condition) or Blood Stagnation. (excess condition) and then a suitable Chinese herbal formula would be prescribed. Browse through your local bookstore section on TCM and look under Diagnosis by observation; Lunulae, fingernails. I could theorize that if you have been taking CS and your body is detoxing the elimination process is being held up in the blood (Blood Stasis) or your condition has been one of general deficiency where the CS has been eliminating toxins but your body is in need of general strengthening, as one goes through a recovery stage (Blood Deficiency) Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done -Original Message- >> I also have blue finger nails. I show (blue) moons in all five nails. -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.8 - Release Date: 11/7/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
At the bottom of the page of this website are the ingredients in Flu-ban if anyone wants to read. If you look them up in medical literature some are listed as a poison. If you them up in homeopathic references all are listed as a homeopathic supplement,very small quantities, they speak of grains. Whats kills me (no pun intended) is the medical industry is little killing, poisoning, 747s full of people everyday and you hardly hear anything of it. But if something happens to one person taking an herbal overdose or colloidal silver ( Rosemary, the blue lady) the whole world is notified immediately. I could cry. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>second request Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
I would like some brand and dosage recommendations for OLE. What have people successfully used and found to be good quality/effective. (if someone has already posted this I missed it--only seen one recommendation for Solaray brand) TIA, sol scl...@netzero.net wrote: Olive Leaf alone though can do the job against most diseases. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Any particular brand you have used and can recommend? Didn't you say you used it in conjuction with CS? TIA, sol nancymike wrote: When you find a doctor that will listen about CS, let me know. It wold be a rare find. As far as bladder infections, look into d-Mannose. It is an aminoacid that will do wonders for bladder infections. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>argyria
Thanks. My moons are basically white, but with pinkish/reddish tint, which I assume is the blood supply there. The only nail moons I can really see are the ones on my thumbs. I've always wondered how definite the blue is, and whether it first appears as reddish or anything. I should have asked that in my previous email but forgot to. Also forgot to ask what IP6 is, as I don't know. Have you got any coloration anywhere else? Face or anything? I've also always wondered why the people who got argryia severely don't seem to have ever considered stopping their silver intake or even considered changing the product they were ingesting. Sort of doesn't make sense to me. The old banging your head into a brick wall principle--if you don't like the result, why not stop? sol Marshall Dudley wrote: Initially it was in the moon, but over time is spread out so that it is beyond the moon now. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Formatting
All my emails should be plain text. I just checked my settings and they are set to ask me if there is any html, and for the list I always select plain text. However it is very rare for it to ask me, so that should mean it is already plain text unless my Netscape is messing up. Marshall John Rigby wrote: > Hi folks, > Depending on which mail program is being used, there are options for the > format of the mail being sent. If people used something sane like Eudora > Pro ( can even have it for nix) or Opera or anything except > Micro$oft products it is very easy to set the options to something like: > 1. Always send ( plain/html) format > 2. Always ask me > 3. Send both. > > Then unless you have a REALLY, REALLY good reason, NEVER send emails in > HTML format. > > 1. Most Newsletters hate it. ( Like Silver list) > 2. Most experienced readers hate it. > 3. Most spammers use it > 4. ( re 3) most spam filters throw it away or remove all the HTML > formatting and THAT mucks up all the lines etc. > > Just look up HELP and OPTIONS in whatever program and set it to "send in > plain text". > > Cheers, > > Himagain > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>argyria
I believe it should be rather simple to tell. The two are either insufficiently oxygenated blood and silver deposits. If you warm and massage the hands the blue should decrease,and if the hands are cold it should increase if due to oxygen deprevation. If the shade and color remains unchanged I think it will be due to silver deposits. Try this. Rub a finger, sepecially outward to force new blood to the end of the finger. The nail will turn bright pink, but the blue is still there for me. That means that it can't be a problem with lack of oxygen, since I have pink and blue at the same time (in fact that area turns violet from the combination and the rest of the nail turns bright pink), instead the blue should go away and be replaced by pink. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: > There are many reasons one may have fingernail blue moons that have > nothing to do with silver. > > Ode > > At 07:31 PM 11/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Is the blue right in the moon itself that should look white? > > > >TIA, > >sol > > > >brick...@aol.com wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:01:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >> mdud...@king-cart.com writes: > >> > >> believe the bluing in my nails may be > >> > lightening. I will know for sure probably in the next couple of > >> > >> I also have blue finger nails. I show (blue) moons in all five nails. > >> > > > > > >-- > >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness
Hi, I think this may be the site and the study of which you speak (very interesting I might add)... http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/BCguidelines/silver/ -James - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:13 AM Subject: Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness I think it was just a mention on some Canadian version of an EPA site that went into various effects of industrial silver waste on fish and the environment. Don't recall exactly. The conclusion was that silver chloride did kill microbes, just not very well in comparison to several other forms of silver ode At 07:01 AM 11/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness From: Ode Coyote Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:15:00 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74929.html > A study I read a while back stated that silver chloride in vitro > has about 1/10th the killing power of ionic silver. The killing > power of particulate silver depends on the available surface area. > Ode Ken, can you remember the url? The reports I have come across stated silver chloride is 300 to 3,500 times less effective than ionic silver. These studies were done a while ago, so the quality of the ionic silver may be very much in doubt. For example, your Silverpuppy will produce at least 22 ppm cs, whereas a 3 nines may only reach 5 to 10 ppm depending on the wetted area. Jason's 4 nines is probably a bit less due to the faster current rise with the higher voltage. Best case, comparing 5 ppm ionic silver to your 22 ppm cs, the figures on silver chloride should be multiplied by 22 / 5 = 4.4, so the 3,500 figure may actually be 15,400 times less effective. A very big problem with these reports is comparing apples and oranges. How do you ensure you have equal amounts of silver ions and silver chloride particles? Silver chloride is somewhat soluble, so how do you state the effectiveness of a partially dissolved substance? I don't think silver chloride gained much popularity as a disinfectant, since I believe it was much less effective than other forms of silver such as silver nitrate. In our case, perhaps it might be worth doing a simple milk test with your known good ionic cs as the reference. And, perhaps some samples of high particulate cs just for laughs. Marv Hacker did one with Mezosilver, I'll see if I can find the link. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>argyria
Inositol Hexaphosphate. It is extracted from rice brand. Marshall nancymike wrote: > Marshall, What is IP6? > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Marshall Dudley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: CS>argyria > > > Interesting, none of those ingredients are chelators are they? I started > > taking IP6 9 days ago, and I believe the bluing in my nails may be > > lightening. I will know for sure probably in the next couple of weeks. > > > > Marshall > > > > Betsy Coffey wrote: > > > > > Just came across this web site tonite. I dont know if > > > there is any validity to this formula but just thought > > > I would post it. > > > It offers a way to get rid of argyria > > > http://healthychristianliving.com/cure%20for%20Argyria.htm > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Google <"alkalinizing foods"> On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 08:18, Joni Lovegrove wrote: > Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes > MY body, since everyone does respond differently. > > I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, > very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most > of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and > cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink > lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am > trying. > > joni > > > Original Message Follows > From: sol > Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 > > A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends > on the body. Nothing works for everyone. > sol > > j rigby wrote: > > >Hi there, Joni > > > >Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in > >lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it > >is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - > >flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > Joni Lovegrove > >
Re: CS>Live Bacteria
Thank you both for the information, but how do I figure out what alkalizes MY body, since everyone does respond differently. I do have one cup of coffe in the morning, I eat fruit and grains, nuts, very little meat, mostly chicken baked, I have recently tried to remove most of the dairy products, I was having lots of cheese, yogurt and milk and cereal every morning, I eat lots of salads and soups and vegetables, I drink lots of water. It havne't managed totally cutting out the sugar, but I am trying. joni Original Message Follows From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Live Bacteria Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:22:39 -0700 A no meat diet is not best for everyone. What foods alkalize a body depends on the body. Nothing works for everyone. sol j rigby wrote: Hi there, Joni Things like your symptoms will respond very quickly as a rule. DO take in lots of CS - it won't hurt you - but do something about the CAUSE before it is too late. Get into an Alkaline Diet. No meat, no white anything - flour, sugar, rice. Especially, no coffee or tea. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Joni Lovegrove
Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness
I think it was just a mention on some Canadian version of an EPA site that went into various effects of industrial silver waste on fish and the environment. Don't recall exactly. The conclusion was that silver chloride did kill microbes, just not very well in comparison to several other forms of silver ode At 07:01 AM 11/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness >From: Ode Coyote >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:15:00 >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74929.html > > > A study I read a while back stated that silver chloride in vitro > > has about 1/10th the killing power of ionic silver. The killing > > power of particulate silver depends on the available surface area. > > > Ode > > Ken, can you remember the url? The reports I have come across stated > silver chloride is 300 to 3,500 times less effective than ionic > silver. > > These studies were done a while ago, so the quality of the ionic > silver may be very much in doubt. For example, your Silverpuppy will > produce at least 22 ppm cs, whereas a 3 nines may only reach 5 to 10 > ppm depending on the wetted area. Jason's 4 nines is probably a bit > less due to the faster current rise with the higher voltage. > > Best case, comparing 5 ppm ionic silver to your 22 ppm cs, the > figures on silver chloride should be multiplied by 22 / 5 = 4.4, so > the 3,500 figure may actually be 15,400 times less effective. > > A very big problem with these reports is comparing apples and > oranges. How do you ensure you have equal amounts of silver ions and > silver chloride particles? Silver chloride is somewhat soluble, so > how do you state the effectiveness of a partially dissolved > substance? > > I don't think silver chloride gained much popularity as a > disinfectant, since I believe it was much less effective than other > forms of silver such as silver nitrate. > > In our case, perhaps it might be worth doing a simple milk test with > your known good ionic cs as the reference. > > And, perhaps some samples of high particulate cs just for laughs. > Marv Hacker did one with Mezosilver, I'll see if I can find the > link. > >Best Wishes, > >Mike Monett > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>argyria
It can be an indicator of cardio-vascular disease. Garnet On Wed, 2004-11-10 at 04:16, Ode Coyote wrote: > There are many reasons one may have fingernail blue moons that have > nothing to do with silver. > > Ode > > At 07:31 PM 11/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: > >Is the blue right in the moon itself that should look white? > > > >TIA, > >sol > > > >brick...@aol.com wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:01:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >> mdud...@king-cart.com writes: > >> > >> believe the bluing in my nails may be > >> > lightening. I will know for sure probably in the next couple of > >> > >> I also have blue finger nails. I show (blue) moons in all five nails. > >> > > > > > >-- > >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >
Re: CS>argyria
There are many reasons one may have fingernail blue moons that have nothing to do with silver. Ode At 07:31 PM 11/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Is the blue right in the moon itself that should look white? > >TIA, >sol > >brick...@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:01:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, >> mdud...@king-cart.com writes: >> >> believe the bluing in my nails may be >> > lightening. I will know for sure probably in the next couple of >> >> I also have blue finger nails. I show (blue) moons in all five nails. >> > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Re : CS>best pppm of CS to make and use
At 01:18 AM 11/9/2004 -0500, you wrote: >CS>Re : CS>best pppm of CS to make and use >From: sol >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:38:18 >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74858.html > > Hi sol, > > Thanks for replying and explaining your procedure. Unfortunately, I > was expecting a slightly different answer. I thought you were > turning the cs generator off for several minutes to let the ions > reach a uniform distribution, then turning it on again to add a > small amount of new silver to the solution before the Nernst > diffusion layer had a chance to build up again. ## When using constant stirring the overall diffusion stays pretty much uniform and the diffusion layer is constantly disrupted. The problem is that PPM and conductivity don't relate at one to one till after the CS has stabilized and the auto off, operating on conductivity 'now', can't predict that. One way to get around that is to let the gen shut down, let the CS sit till it stabilizes, then turn the gen back on till it shuts down again. Each time you do that, the shut down conductivity gets closer to the conductivity/PPM equivalency until the generator shuts itself down very fast. Time and volume of water takes care of itself. That's really easy but slow as it takes a day or so of the very little effort required to reset the generator a couple of times.ie, no effort to speak of but lots of waiting. Using a timer could be a way to go if a 'walk by' now and then is too much. A standard programmable light timer would do fine to do the cycles automatically. Another way is to predict how far past shut down conductivity you need to go so conductivity and the desired PPM match up 'after' it stabilizes. Since running at a controlled current makes ion production very close to linear with time and shut down conductivity references a timing start point, it's not very hard to make a time prediction for an end point to reach a desired PPM.Volume of water becomes a timing factor. > > This would work, but it would be very tedious to do it manually. A > better idea would be to add a simple electronic timer to turn the > current on and off. > > > I just use my silverpuppy generator with the auto-shut off switch > > in bypass position. It seems to me there is some correlation > > between the uS reading and the ppm. Even if it isn't 100% > > accurate, it is close enough for my purposes. > > Yes, there is a correlation between uS and ppm. I have posted it > numerous times. Ivan Anderson measured the ppm using an Ion > Selective Electrode and the conductance using a conductivity probe, > and found 1uS = 1.08ppm: ## This varies with particulate content which is a portion of the total silver content not picked up by either instrument. Generally, the higher the PPM, the higher the particle to ion ratio. "If" all those particles really are silver oxides and inert, then it doesn't matter to the 'ion only' effective PPM. I would think that ionic PPM will never be lower than conductivity as long as all that conductivity is a result of only silver ions and not something else. [Are unstable hydroxls conductive?] > >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m14498.html > > I combined his data with Frank Key's, and found it averaged to > 1.0074, which is close enough to 1 uS = 1 ppm for our needs: ## Yup. Close is good enough for a grenade. > >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63151.html > > Finally, Ken posted the results of an experiment with baking soda. > He ran 1 milliamp for 2 hrs and 41 minutes, and found the cs > increased by 22.8 uS. I ran the Faraday calculations and found the > expected increase was 22.83 ppm, almost exactly what he measured: > >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m71961.html > > This confirms the relationship between uS and ppm is 1 uS = 1 ppm. > > However, any contamination or problems with the dw would cause an > error, as it would in any measurement involving conductance. But we > need to ensure these issues are solved anyway. > > > For topical use I don't care if the EIS is yellow. I have been > > able to get it up to about 60 ppm (I believe Ken has said he has > > gone higher). The PWT uS reading drops rather dramatically and > > quickly once the gen is turned off. > > You are measuring conductance with current applied? I don't think > you can do that. You need to shut off the current and let the ions > diffuse to an even concentration. This may take 1 hr or more, maybe > less if you stirred it. But any measurement with current applied is > meaningless. > > What is the uS reading a day or so after the current is turned off? > > > Probably because particles are forming as the EIS stabilizes? > > Partly, but mainly because the ion distribution is not uniform > throughout the solution. ## Would unstable hydroxls stirred in play a role? Apparently so...not t
Re: CS>water distiller, was Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness
If you not getting volitiles , it won't matter. Can't remove what's not there. If the contaminant fraction is very close to the water fraction, you might not be able to remove it with a table top distiller. What is there, then, becomes a question. I would think that freshly distilled water would just love to dissolve into it any gas around it...but that should take some time. Some atmospheric pollutants are quite soluable in water. I imagine that traces of sulpher dioxide would be hell on silver ions. Does it make any difference if you let the condensor drip into a sealed container? Someone mentioned that touching the electrodes made a difference. Could be a high sulpher diet..eggs, MSM or DMSO metabolites etc? It makes no difference when I touch them. Ode At 01:16 PM 11/9/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi ode, > I tried discarding the first cup or so of water out of the still, >didn't make any difference. Might have known it wouldn't work here, huh? >sol > >Ode Coyote wrote: > >> Using a charcoal pre-filter is a good thing as it will suck up most of the >>volitiles, particulates, chlorine and such. >> Using a charcoal post filter...not. >> >> Discarding the first few oz of water will help rid the result of volitiles >>too. >> >>ode >> >> >> >> > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Formatting
At 12:17 AM 11/10/04, you wrote: Then unless you have a REALLY, REALLY good reason, NEVER send emails in HTML format. 1. Most Newsletters hate it. ( Like Silver list) 2. Most experienced readers hate it. 3. Most spammers use it 4. ( re 3) most spam filters throw it away or remove all the HTML formatting and THAT mucks up all the lines etc. I have to absolutely agree with this advice. Not only is HTML in an email annoying but it is a waste of bandwidth. Think of the millions of emails being relayed across the net each hour. Emails with HTML code in them are bloated to 2 to 3 times what they would be had they been left as plain old ASCII. These extra characters cause the internet backbone to have to use 2 to 3 times the amount of bandwidth. The internet backbone shares the same transmission equipment as our telephone network. Everytime a SS7 database query is performed by a digital switch in a telephone central office and a point to point route across the backbone is established (doesn't matter if call is originated by a router and is a dedicated point to point or if it is originated by you making a temporary voice call) somebody gets charged for it. Be it someone leasing a T3 or you paying your telephone bill. There are engineers in the telephone company called traffic engineers who monitor all the traffic on the backbone and have fancy tools (usually excel spreadsheets) to help them calculate distributed load on their transmission network. When they exceed a certain amount they have to buy equipment and expand the transmission and or the switching network. This results in a huge expenditure of money. A typical expansion of transmission in one wire center costs around $40,000.00. These expansions are going on constantly. The expenses are huge when you look at the whole country and the entire backbone. Therefore, HTML in an email is increasing your costs to use the telephone! Be money smart and please send plain old text. David Bearrow -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>ANOTHER X Class Flare
Katy bar the door we have had another X Class Flare -- watch for severe weather and irritable people! LOL On the heels of the X Class Flare on Sunday followed by two M Class Flares we could see some strong disturbances in systems affected by geomagnetic ion storms. Get out your tin foil hats and underwear. Garnet = From: newslet...@earthchangestv.com To: garnetri...@earthlink.net Subject: ECTV/Breaking News - New X-Class Flare Even Larger Than Last Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:04:41 -0500 November 9th 2004 EARTH CHANGES TV NEWSLETTER New X-Class Flare Even Larger Than Last by Mitch Battros ECTV Just two hours ago, a new and larger X-Class flare has fired off. It most likely came from sunspot region 696. There has been a steady stream of charged particles hitting the Earths magnetic field. So many solar explosions have occurred, it is difficult to tell when stopped and the other started. It is yet unknown as to the damage caused by such a stream of electric charges to our magnetic field, but it is well known we are in the period of a weakening field which is part of a natural cycle and the precursor to a magnetic pole shift. Some in the solar science field believe it is possible we will witness this event in our lifetime. Watch for continued "extreme weather" occurrence which involves record breaking weather. On a lighter note, watch for beautiful auroras in the mid-latitude states. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
Hey Betsy, How about sharing that info and link? Then we can respond to your message. Garnet On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 23:29, Betsy Coffey wrote: > i just did a google search on the ingredients in flu > ban. two of them appear toxic. i think i would be > afraid to take this product. i am very cautious though. > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness
Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness From: Mike Monett Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:05:57 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74931.html > Marv Hacker did one with Mezosilver, I'll see if I can find the > link. Got lucky. Found it right away. Here is a partial copy: Re: CS>CS in the fridge? From: Marv Hacker Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:30:32 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60724.html Hi, Jason, The only objective evidence that I have, is in support of your position that Ionic Silver has the greater pathogen-killing power (outside of the body). I did the "Milk Test", comparing a product containing mostly Ionic Silver with one that is mostly sub-nanometer Silver Particles, with an unadulterated sample. Placing four liquid ounces of milk (pasteurized and homogenized, where the "use by" date was more that a week into the future) from the same carton into three glasses, then adding a teaspoon from each of the two Silver products into two different glasses. After four days: the untreated glass contained a solidified sour (stinky) substance. the glass treated with the mostly-Particulate Silver product was partially solidified, and had some odor. the glass treated with the mostly-Ionic Silver product was liquid, and there was no bad smell. To me, this indicates that Silver Ions are better at preserving milk than Silver Particles. It also suggests, to me, that Ionic Silver would have more "pathogen-killing power" than the Particulate Silver product, when used outside the human body (topically). According to all available information, the particles in Mezosilver are various forms of silver oxides, which are inert. The resulting performance of the Mezosilver is probably due to the fact it contains a small amount of silver ions. I believe it is 3.9 ppm ionic from the analysis on Frank's site. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness
Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness From: Ode Coyote Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:15:00 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74929.html > A study I read a while back stated that silver chloride in vitro > has about 1/10th the killing power of ionic silver. The killing > power of particulate silver depends on the available surface area. > Ode Ken, can you remember the url? The reports I have come across stated silver chloride is 300 to 3,500 times less effective than ionic silver. These studies were done a while ago, so the quality of the ionic silver may be very much in doubt. For example, your Silverpuppy will produce at least 22 ppm cs, whereas a 3 nines may only reach 5 to 10 ppm depending on the wetted area. Jason's 4 nines is probably a bit less due to the faster current rise with the higher voltage. Best case, comparing 5 ppm ionic silver to your 22 ppm cs, the figures on silver chloride should be multiplied by 22 / 5 = 4.4, so the 3,500 figure may actually be 15,400 times less effective. A very big problem with these reports is comparing apples and oranges. How do you ensure you have equal amounts of silver ions and silver chloride particles? Silver chloride is somewhat soluble, so how do you state the effectiveness of a partially dissolved substance? I don't think silver chloride gained much popularity as a disinfectant, since I believe it was much less effective than other forms of silver such as silver nitrate. In our case, perhaps it might be worth doing a simple milk test with your known good ionic cs as the reference. And, perhaps some samples of high particulate cs just for laughs. Marv Hacker did one with Mezosilver, I'll see if I can find the link. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>olive leaf and flu ban to steve
At 05:50 PM 10/11/04, you wrote: I can understand your fear after reading all those ingredients. However you have to understand that the "poisonous" ingredients are in homeopathic quantities which are extremly small. Steve In seconding that, it is also well to remember that the commercial sellers of "alternative" and "folk" remedies do try and distinguish their products by adding components more to differentiate them these days, than as true "concoctions". A bit like the constant "NEW" and "IMPROVED" and "VITAMIN X ADDED" pitches of todays snake-oils. The nice thing is the thousands of sources of genuine help/advice/untainted data available to you out in the Cyberbog! The key thing to remember is that virtually ALL of the old aids were meant to be taken in conjunction with removing the cause of the malady and were never very fast-acting as a rule. They didn't act like anaesthetics! However, nothing changes the fundamentals: 1. First ease the symptoms. 2. Find the cause 3. Eliminate it. ( The one nobody likes to do.. stop digging your grave with your teeth! ) Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness
A study I read a while back stated that silver chloride in vitro has about 1/10th the killing power of ionic silver. The killing power of particulate silver depends on the available surface area. Ode At 09:37 AM 11/9/2004 -0600, you wrote: >When you compare the results of taking EIS and Silver Chloride >with respect to it causing argyria, etc. are you talking about the >same ppm concentrations of each? > >Has anyone tried taking very small amounts of silver chloride in the >range of EIS, say 5 to 10 ppm in one ounce of water? Would it then >have a similar effect to EIS? > >Dan > > > > >From: Marshall Dudley wrote: >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:56:38 > >--- - > >> Re: CS>H202, CS and cloudiness > >Do the math. If you drink one ounce of 5 ppm EIS, that will contain 4 >ppm of ionic silver typically. If you have 4 ounces of liquid in the >stomach, then 100% of the silver chloride will dissolve in the >contents. >If you drink more CS, then only about 1 ppm of silver chloride will >dissolve in the stomach at a time, but since it would quickly transport >to >the blood stream, the rest will still dissolve in short order. Silver >chloride has a solubility of .8 ppm in cold water, and higher in body >temperature water. This is not trivial when we are talking about only 5 >or >so ppm CS to start with. Also it is known that silver chloride taken >by >mouth without the prophylactic effects of any colloidal silver to >counteract it will result in argyria. That proves that significant >amounts >of silver can end up in the blood stream even if you start with silver >chloride. > >Marshall > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
