Re: CSAny techies left?
Hi Wayne, The 9 Microamps per square millimeter was a figure that related to the total surface area of the anode. The discussion went on when most of us were using Canadian Maple Leaf coins for anodes as they were the only available source of pure silver at the time. They had a diameter of 30 odd mm so if you use both sides and the edge you would end up at around 2 milliamps. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: CWFugitt To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: CSAny techies left? Evening Arnold, At 04:34 PM 5/1/2007, you wrote: A figure of nine microamperes per square millimeter is lodged somewhere in my brain but I can't remember how we arrived at that. Has anyone kept a record of these postings? Few of us have all the messages. I have many thousands. If you have a subject line, or a unique phrase, I can find them in short order. And there are a few techies left. But few of us have a micro amp meter. I would hope you have milliamps and micro amps mixed up. I could likely rig a micro amp measurement using some of my $100 digital panel meters if I thought it to be that important. You can make excellent CS and never measure micro amps. Few people even measure milliamps. How much are you measuring at the present? Wayne
Re: CSsilver rods
Try www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: cs Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: CSsilver rods I know there is a place to buy replacement silver rods on the web that starts with an A and I cannot remember the name can anyone help me out? thanks deb -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
RE: CSsilver rods
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Re: CSCS video
Terry, I have been onto Silver for 4/5 years now but it still amazes me what it is capable of. Will this product still get FDA backing despite their latest turnaround on alternative therapies and does any one know how this silver solution is different to the CS that we are making at home ? thanks - Richard On 01/05/2007, at 19:56, Terry Chamberlin wrote: Somebody watch this video and give feedback. (Techies) http://nutronix.typepad.com/healthyagainbiz/2007/04/ keith_moeller_o.html Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNancy - hot tub death
Nancy referred to her husband as Mike. The article lists it as Mariano. Could be a nickname, I suppose. But I thought she had been killed in a car accident? Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS video
Dee said, Excellent video and very convincing, although it would make people wary of other products other than the one being sold That was my complaint. The speaker manipulated the audiences impressions. He never SAID that all other products were dangerous or ineffective, but he implied it (plausible deniability). He started right off by defining 'ionic' as a chemical process, which CAN be accurate. But, in fact, 'ionic' simply means a particle with a charge, whether caused by a chemical or electric process (as we do). From that point on, I knew not to trust him, as he either was not the authority he claimed to be, or else he was in fact deliberately misleading his audience, which he was. He made the distinct point that everybody else but them uses DC electricity to brew their CS, then referred to 'ionic' as coming from a chemical process, which would NOT be a DC process. The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar. If I had the money to buy EPA officials, I could do what they are doing (they are owned, in fact, by Clifton Silver Mines). It was the same ole Barnum Bailey type of marketing, conning the gullible, taking advantage of the listeners ignorance and lack of familiarity with the subject to misguide (deceive) them into coming to the right conclusions, promising wonderous results and threatening dire consequences for even considering the competitions products. The ole Carrot Stick ploy. To have to resort to this kind of marketing hype convinces me of the validity of our own home-made stuff even more. Methinks Thou Dost Protest too much (or too dishonestly). Terry chamberlin Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS video
Producing documents from quoted sources, would go a long way in establishing credibility for his silver. He makes claims of the germ killing power of his product, and it may well do so. With me the jury is still out. While I have some skepticism, I will not condemn it without investigation, ALA Spenser. Ed, ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: CSCS video
On 5/2/07, Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote: The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar.-- Yes. I'm afraid I'm not technical enough to comment on a lot of what he said but I did study research methods and some of his statements made my hackles rise - they were so misleading. For instance his claim that his product would not kill friendly bacteria in your digestive system. this may well be true but the statement doesn't bear up to analysis. For instance it could mean that the product doesn't kill friendly bacteria period or it could mean it doesn't kill any bacteria in your digestive system which I tend to believe is more probable. Also his claims of all the things that were cured in African hospitals including retro viruses. I'd like to know exactly what they mean by 'cured'. I wasn't aware that anyone would claim a 'cure' for these so I'd like to now what tests were done. And wasn't his story about his kid cute and designed to play into the fears of all parents without actually telling us anything. Very clever psychology. I'm quite happy to stck to my little nine volt batteries and my silver wires. Kirsteen
CSNancy's journal
If you don't mind my asking..how, when and why did you come by Nancy's journal. Nancy called me about five years ago to inquire about purchasing one of my 10-gallon per batch devices. When she told me her story, I said, Can you write this down and send it to me? This is amazing! She said, I'll do better, I'll send you my journal. I tidied it up a bit, corrected misspellings, etc., and have been sending it to folks ever since. Terry Chamberlin Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNancy's journal
Terry, You are s knowledgable, I have a question. I am a non toxic house cleaner everyone tells me to use Mr. clean magic erasers, for a long time I could not find what it is made from. Well I found it-- melamine foam. Is this the same melamine found in the pet foods that are killing our pets Mary -- Original message -- From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca If you don't mind my asking..how, when and why did you come by Nancy's journal. Nancy called me about five years ago to inquire about purchasing one of my 10-gallon per batch devices. When she told me her story, I said, Can you write this down and send it to me? This is amazing! She said, I'll do better, I'll send you my journal. I tidied it up a bit, corrected misspellings, etc., and have been sending it to folks ever since. Terry Chamberlin Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
Unfortunately it is symptomatic of the caliber of many public employees who make too much, and think too little.The Peter principle at work in this great nation. Marshall da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Nancy's husband is questioning the coroners finding. He doesn't want Nancy to be remembered as someone who committed suicide. Its a cruel label if its not true. Especially when you pin it on someone who overcame so much. I can't imagine anyone would deliberately plan to suicide by drowning themselves in a shallow public hot tub. Would you do it knowing that you may be discovered in the process and revived? Or that if you succeeded your body would be found by total strangers, possibly even children? Maybe a desperate single person might try it, but to get another person to go along with the idea seems unlikely to me. I hope the coroner looks deeper into this than the newspaper reports suggest. Nancy deserves better. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS video
Thanks, Terry. It did not settle well with me either. Almost seems as if they are attempting to position themselves as the authority on CS as we draw closer to the apparent governmental scrutiny of our silver mineral water. The bureaucrats, undoubtedly, love the idea that they have some sort of supposed authority leading their 3-ring circus. Keeps them from having to do the actual homework. If I have to defend that which I already know is true, I never trusted it in the first place. Keep on truckin'. In His Service, Scott Young Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote: Dee said, Excellent video and very convincing, although it would make people wary of other products other than the one being sold That was my complaint. The speaker manipulated the audiences impressions. He never SAID that all other products were dangerous or ineffective, but he implied it (plausible deniability). He started right off by defining 'ionic' as a chemical process, which CAN be accurate. But, in fact, 'ionic' simply means a particle with a charge, whether caused by a chemical or electric process (as we do). From that point on, I knew not to trust him, as he either was not the authority he claimed to be, or else he was in fact deliberately misleading his audience, which he was. He made the distinct point that everybody else but them uses DC electricity to brew their CS, then referred to 'ionic' as coming from a chemical process, which would NOT be a DC process. The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar. If I had the money to buy EPA officials, I could do what they are doing (they are owned, in fact, by Clifton Silver Mines). It was the same ole Barnum Bailey type of marketing, conning the gullible, taking advantage of the listeners ignorance and lack of familiarity with the subject to misguide (deceive) them into coming to the right conclusions, promising wonderous results and threatening dire consequences for even considering the competitions products. The ole Carrot Stick ploy. To have to resort to this kind of marketing hype convinces me of the validity of our own home-made stuff even more. Methinks Thou Dost Protest too much (or too dishonestly). Terry chamberlin Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
RE: CSNancy deserves better.
I agree, and I don't think it is limited to public employees. I think it is a problem with people in general... I was on a jury a few years ago and I was amazed at the sloppy job and lack of follow-up the state prosecution did. However, according to the instructions given to the jury, if he had the stolen bonds in his possession he was guilty of stealing them.. I wonder why they didn't prosecute the bank employees who cashed them on the same charge... And, the law is an ass... Dan -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNancy deserves better. Unfortunately it is symptomatic of the caliber of many public employees who make too much, and think too little.The Peter principle at work in this great nation. Marshall da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Nancy's husband is questioning the coroners finding. He doesn't want Nancy to be remembered as someone who committed suicide. Its a cruel label if its not true. Especially when you pin it on someone who overcame so much. I can't imagine anyone would deliberately plan to suicide by drowning themselves in a shallow public hot tub. Would you do it knowing that you may be discovered in the process and revived? Or that if you succeeded your body would be found by total strangers, possibly even children? Maybe a desperate single person might try it, but to get another person to go along with the idea seems unlikely to me. I hope the coroner looks deeper into this than the newspaper reports suggest. Nancy deserves better. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
To be honestthe fact that two people died in the Hot tub makes it sound more like a suicide to me than if only 1 were there. The odds of an accident with 2 are very very remote. I talked to Nancy many many times and she will be missed.Robb - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Re: CSNancy deserves better. Unfortunately it is symptomatic of the caliber of many public employees who make too much, and think too little.The Peter principle at work in this great nation. Marshall da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Nancy's husband is questioning the coroners finding. He doesn't want Nancy to be remembered as someone who committed suicide. Its a cruel label if its not true. Especially when you pin it on someone who overcame so much. I can't imagine anyone would deliberately plan to suicide by drowning themselves in a shallow public hot tub. Would you do it knowing that you may be discovered in the process and revived? Or that if you succeeded your body would be found by total strangers, possibly even children? Maybe a desperate single person might try it, but to get another person to go along with the idea seems unlikely to me. I hope the coroner looks deeper into this than the newspaper reports suggest. Nancy deserves better. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSvegetarian so bad?
Sol wrote: there are many things that are worse than deathand being a vegetarian is one of them. I do not understand this dreary remark. Please explain? Faith _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS video
It is not clear who the audience was for this presentation. Most likely many were not technically oriented. However, I did notice a lack of specifics on how tests were done and how some of his statements were defined. There was some technical data on the concentrations used in some of the tests, but the tests themselves were not well defined. The fact that it appeared that they had actually done some clinical and lab trials is impressive. One big problem is that he never defined what his new silver solution really was. It implied that it was different than other silvers, but he did not characterize it in any meaningful way. He did imply that it was different in that it didn't have to actually contact the pathogen, that it emitted a frequency that somehow overcame them. A very brave statement. The clip is way too long for me to listen to again to clear up any of these issues that I may have missed, but that was my impression. Dan -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS video Somebody watch this video and give feedback. (Techies) http://nutronix.typepad.com/healthyagainbiz/2007/04/keith_moeller_o.html Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSvegetarian so bad?
He means, If God didn't want people to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Dan -Original Message- From: Faith Saint Francis [mailto:faithstfran...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:54 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSvegetarian so bad? Sol wrote: there are many things that are worse than deathand being a vegetarian is one of them. I do not understand this dreary remark. Please explain? Faith _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
On 5/2/07, Robb Allen ral...@highpowermagneticpulser.com wrote: To be honestthe fact that two people died in the Hot tub makes it sound more like a suicide to me than if only 1 were there. The odds of an accident with 2 are very very remote. Not when you consider that they both had MS. If one got into difficulties and the other tried to help but wasn't strong enough then that would account for it. kirsteen -- Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
I was quite surprised that Nancy lived in the town next to me - literally one street separates me from Riverside - and she died not five miles from my home. What a small world. I never knew. Here's the article from today's Sun Times: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/366452,CST-NWS-women02.article Linda The Truly Educated Never Graduate -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSvegetarian so bad?
This makes a massive assumption which I won't go into here. I think we are all entitled to our opinions, even though others do not agree with them. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Dan Nave Date: 02/05/2007 16:00:45 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSvegetarian so bad? He means, If God didn't want people to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Dan
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
Well I'm certainly not saying that I know what happened.thats the problem..we don't know..Robb - Original Message - From: Kirsteen Wright To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: CSNancy deserves better. On 5/2/07, Robb Allen ral...@highpowermagneticpulser.com wrote: To be honestthe fact that two people died in the Hot tub makes it sound more like a suicide to me than if only 1 were there. The odds of an accident with 2 are very very remote. Not when you consider that they both had MS. If one got into difficulties and the other tried to help but wasn't strong enough then that would account for it. kirsteen -- Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
I thought I read in that article that there was an electric cart of some type near the hot tub. That could certainly explain how 2 died accidentally. I don't believe it was suicide. I wasn't in touch with Nancy recently, but when I was, she didn't seem depressed to me at all. She was motivated and positive. Besides, her husband of all people would know if it could have been suicide. If he doesn't believe it was, then I don't either. I'll remember Nancy as a special person. She felt CS cured her MS and she gave of herself endlessly to get the word out and to help others. She offered to be there for anyone who needed her, at any time. Seems to me that could have been what she was doing when she died - trying to help someone. Did she have children? My heart goes out to her husband, her family and her close friends for their loss. Jodi Robb Allen wrote on 5/2/2007, 9:47 AM: To be honestthe fact that two people died in the Hot tub makes it sound more like a suicide to me than if only 1 were there. The odds of an accident with 2 are very very remote. I talked to Nancy many many times and she will be missed.Robb -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNancy's journal
mborg...@att.net wrote: Terry, You are s knowledgable, I have a question. I am a non toxic house cleaner everyone tells me to use Mr. clean magic erasers, for a long time I could not find what it is made from. Well I found it-- melamine foam. Is this the same melamine found in the pet foods that are killing our pets Mary It sounds like it, but really does not make any sense. I would expect a solvent, melamine is a white solid that is only slightly soluble in water. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLupus
Dear Dave, Lupus is scary. The CMO is well worth trying. Just do it. Also, all the other obvious (and not so obvious) things: Pure water, pure foods. Distilled water. Fresh, organic, raw when possible. Eliminate toxins from diet and environment: e.g., ALL artificial sweeteners and most anything they put in processed foods; eliminate mold from the house, install an air cleaner. Dental revision: If she has any dental metalwork in her mouth she has probable toxicity and electrolytic currents flowing. If she has had any teeth extracted over the years where the dentist left the ligament in the socket they *ARE* infected and slowly poisoning her. Same goes for any 3rd molars (wisdom teeth) that never came in. Most leave behind a residue at the nucleation site that is usually infected and may also directly cause an immune response. Get together with Dr. Huggins. He's the expert. Look into aggressive wholistic approaches like Gerson Therapy. At this stage only a complete change in lifestyle and an aggressive approach to helping her body heal itself will stand a chance of helping. Prayer, if they're so inclined, meditation, EFT and any other means of relieving stress, anxiety, and anger, all may help. I wish your friend and his wife well. Mike D. - Original Message - From: Dave ddar...@centurytel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: CSLupus BrooksMarshalTerry, or anyone else with some input. I have a good friend who's wife has lupus and was diagnosed six years ago and told she had probably eight years to live. There are a number of autoimmune diseases that have presented and I was wondering since it's autoimmune if CMO might have the correct effect as it had on my RA. Or if anyone has another modality to explore. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 29/04/2007 6:30 AM [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
Robb Allen wrote: To be honestthe fact that two people died in the Hot tub makes it sound more like a suicide to me than if only 1 were there. The odds of an accident with 2 are very very remote. I talked to Nancy many many times and she will be missed.Robb Why? We have drownings here all the time when one person gets into trouble, and someone else tries to save them, and gets drowned as well. The odds of such an accident are not remote, in fact from the drownings around here the last few years the odds seem to be better than 50%. Recently we had 3 people drown that way not far from my house. When a person is drowning, they can fight like heck, grab someone else and hold them under. Happens all the time. It seems to me that when a person is near their physical limit in water, whether they are healthy but in deep water that is turbulent or far from shore, or having MS or other physical disabilities in a whirlpool tub, makes little difference. I would think that probably one got in trouble, and the other lady tried to hold her up or help her, but got trapped under her, or got some cramps or exhaustion that caused her to be unable to recover as well. Excessive heat could have been a contributing factor as well. A tragedy for sure. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAny techies left?
Hi All, I don't have the previous postings but the value of 1-2 milliamps/Sq In is a good place be when designing electrodes and current densities. Having said that, do be careful with the shape of the electrodes. Any discontinuities, such as the edges of a silver strip, are sure to draw more current than the surrounding metal and blow you current density calculations. Use a nice cylindrical (round wire) for best performance. Arnold, are you related to Alvine Beland of AtlasNova fame? That's where we get our silver wire as do a lot of generator MFGs. Are you designing a new system? Regards, Fred CWFugitt wrote: Evening Arnold, At 04:34 PM 5/1/2007, you wrote: A figure of nine microamperes per square millimeter is lodged somewhere in my brain but I can't remember how we arrived at that. Has anyone kept a record of these postings? Few of us have all the messages. I have many thousands. If you have a subject line, or a unique phrase, I can find them in short order. And there are a few techies left. But few of us have a micro amp meter. I would hope you have milliamps and micro amps mixed up. I could likely rig a micro amp measurement using some of my $100 digital panel meters if I thought it to be that important. You can make excellent CS and never measure micro amps. Few people even measure milliamps. How much are you measuring at the present? Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
Maybe something good can come out of it. That article could get a lot of people interested in it. Marshall Linda Ellis wrote: I was quite surprised that Nancy lived in the town next to me - literally one street separates me from Riverside - and she died not five miles from my home. What a small world. I never knew. Here's the article from today's Sun Times: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/366452,CST-NWS-women02.article Linda The Truly Educated Never Graduate -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS video
Hi Terry, I felt the same way as you did Terry. It would have been more convincing to me if their research compared their product to the EIS made from a competent CS generator. Now that would be interesting. One point they made was that the size of particles was not so important as direct contact of a pathogen and silver was unnecessary. He said something about the frequency emitted by their nanoparticles was sufficient to produce results without contact. OK, whatever. I'd sure like to peruse his patient and see more on that effect. Do you know the name of the company/entity holding the patients? Fred Terry Chamberlin wrote: Dee said, Excellent video and very convincing, although it would make people wary of other products other than the one being sold That was my complaint. The speaker manipulated the audiences impressions. He never SAID that all other products were dangerous or ineffective, but he implied it (plausible deniability). He started right off by defining 'ionic' as a chemical process, which CAN be accurate. But, in fact, 'ionic' simply means a particle with a charge, whether caused by a chemical or electric process (as we do). From that point on, I knew not to trust him, as he either was not the authority he claimed to be, or else he was in fact deliberately misleading his audience, which he was. He made the distinct point that everybody else but them uses DC electricity to brew their CS, then referred to 'ionic' as coming from a chemical process, which would NOT be a DC process. The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar. If I had the money to buy EPA officials, I could do what they are doing (they are owned, in fact, by Clifton Silver Mines). It was the same ole Barnum Bailey type of marketing, conning the gullible, taking advantage of the listeners ignorance and lack of familiarity with the subject to misguide (deceive) them into coming to the right conclusions, promising wonderous results and threatening dire consequences for even considering the competitions products. The ole Carrot Stick ploy. To have to resort to this kind of marketing hype convinces me of the validity of our own home-made stuff even more. Methinks Thou Dost Protest too much (or too dishonestly). Terry chamberlin Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
Re: CSNancy deserves better.
Marshall Dudley wrote: Maybe something good can come out of it. That article could get a lot of people interested in it. Marshall Sorry, that should have been That article could get a lot of people interested in colloidal silver. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLupus
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Re: CSNancy deserves better.
Well it appears that they've changed it to accidental so it doesn't matter.Plus since they didn't really make it clear what kind of rituals were found with them it just made it sound suspicious.Robb - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: CSNancy deserves better. Robb Allen wrote: To be honestthe fact that two people died in the Hot tub makes it sound more like a suicide to me than if only 1 were there. The odds of an accident with 2 are very very remote. I talked to Nancy many many times and she will be missed.Robb Why? We have drownings here all the time when one person gets into trouble, and someone else tries to save them, and gets drowned as well. The odds of such an accident are not remote, in fact from the drownings around here the last few years the odds seem to be better than 50%. Recently we had 3 people drown that way not far from my house. When a person is drowning, they can fight like heck, grab someone else and hold them under. Happens all the time. It seems to me that when a person is near their physical limit in water, whether they are healthy but in deep water that is turbulent or far from shore, or having MS or other physical disabilities in a whirlpool tub, makes little difference. I would think that probably one got in trouble, and the other lady tried to hold her up or help her, but got trapped under her, or got some cramps or exhaustion that caused her to be unable to recover as well. Excessive heat could have been a contributing factor as well. A tragedy for sure. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSvegetarian so bad?
Hey, don't make too many assumptions about me either. If you analyze that statement and take it literally, you will notice that it condones cannibalism... Dan From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSvegetarian so bad? This makes a massive assumption which I won't go into here. I think we are all entitled to our opinions, even though others do not agree with them. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Dan Nave mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com Date: 02/05/2007 16:00:45 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSvegetarian so bad? He means, If God didn't want people to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Dan
CSVegetarian so bad? Maybe, Maybe not !
Morning Faith, there are many things that are worse than deathand being a vegetarian is one of them. I do not understand this dreary remark. Please explain? I can't explain that statement, but been wanting to state my ideas. Lots of things are problems with being a vegetarian, Food supply Variety of Food Quality of food Cost of food, if one can find it. I understand it is harder on the environment than not being a non vegetarian. Wild animals are very efficient at harvesting their food supply and require no gas and oil for energy. Plus I have said for many years that few people are knowledgeable enough to be a vegetarian. Most have no idea of the protein, fat, carb ratio that they should target. Back in the 50's the ratio was stated to be 40 % fat 40 % protein 20 % carbs I realize that would change somewhat for a pure vegetarian. A huge variety of seeds and nuts can provide enough fats. Some research indicates we need some saturated fat. Not sure how they would get this. I realize there has been lots of different ideas on protein requirement. The average height of the adult male and life expectancy is in proportion to the number of grams consumed per day. Too much is bad also. One great doctor says, to live longer, eat less protein. He does not say eat no protein. Finally comes the issue of complete and incomplete proteins. Amino acids are hard to balance for a vegetarian. The two classes, Essential and Non-Essential are highly misleading. They are all essential. The ones classified as non essential are to be made by the body. Many people have problems whereas they cannot make the non essential amino acids, so .. they become essential for the diet. Wild animals eat 100 or more plants per day and stay on a food plot an average of 20 minutes. If the missing amino acids in one food are not found in another food within 30 minutes, they will not complement each other to produce a complete protein. Simply stated, this is all too complicated for the average human to cope with. He best eat some meat, eggs, and milk to keep from overloading his mind and blowing a fuse. Yes, I eat little meat, small servings of 1 to 3 ounces at most. I do take amino acid supplements, eat a few eggs, and some milk. Heck, I did not mention B-12 but everyone knows about that. I welcome anyone to disagree with me or disprove anything I said because it is mostly my opinion. Some of if is based on facts. grin All the above is a work load that is hard to shoulder. If we get into Biological Transmutation, the whole ball game changes. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAny techies left?
Hi Dan, I think that you have nailed it. I remember now that it was 0.9 microampere per square millimeter. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Dan Nave To: Arnold Beland Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: RE: CSAny techies left? 1 square inch = 645.16 square millimeters. (645 sq mm/sq inch) x (.09 amps/sq mm) = .0058 amps = 5.8 ma/sq in If the calculations are correct, that is 5.8 milliamps per square inch of (anode) surface area. That is not a particularly small value for the current. Most here are making it at 1 ma / sq inch. Dan - Original Message - From: Dan Nave To: Arnold Beland Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: RE: CSAny techies left? 1 square inch = 645.16 square millimeters. (645 sq mm/sq inch) x (.09 amps/sq mm) = .0058 amps = 5.8 ma/sq in If the calculations are correct, that is 5.8 milliamps per square inch of (anode) surface area. That is not a particularly small value for the current. Most here are making it at 1 ma / sq inch. Dan -- From: Arnold Beland [mailto:abela...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAny techies left? Hi Wayne, The 9 Microamps per square millimeter was a figure that related to the total surface area of the anode. The discussion went on when most of us were using Canadian Maple Leaf coins for anodes as they were the only available source of pure silver at the time. They had a diameter of 30 odd mm so if you use both sides and the edge you would end up at around 2 milliamps. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: CWFugitt To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: CSAny techies left? Evening Arnold, At 04:34 PM 5/1/2007, you wrote: A figure of nine microamperes per square millimeter is lodged somewhere in my brain but I can't remember how we arrived at that. Has anyone kept a record of these postings? Few of us have all the messages. I have many thousands. If you have a subject line, or a unique phrase, I can find them in short order. And there are a few techies left. But few of us have a micro amp meter. I would hope you have milliamps and micro amps mixed up. I could likely rig a micro amp measurement using some of my $100 digital panel meters if I thought it to be that important. You can make excellent CS and never measure micro amps. Few people even measure milliamps. How much are you measuring at the present? Wayne
Re: CSAny techies left?
Arnold, are you related to Alvine Beland of AtlasNova fame? That's where we get our silver wire as do a lot of generator MFGs. Are you designing a new system? Regards, Fred Fred, I just forwarded your post to her and I'm sure that you have made her day LOL. Yes, She is my wife, otherwise known as She who must be Obeyed Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Fred Sprague f...@pmr-iowa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Re: CSAny techies left? Hi All, I don't have the previous postings but the value of 1-2 milliamps/Sq In is a good place be when designing electrodes and current densities. Having said that, do be careful with the shape of the electrodes. Any discontinuities, such as the edges of a silver strip, are sure to draw more current than the surrounding metal and blow you current density calculations. Use a nice cylindrical (round wire) for best performance. Arnold, are you related to Alvine Beland of AtlasNova fame? That's where we get our silver wire as do a lot of generator MFGs. Are you designing a new system? Regards, Fred CWFugitt wrote: Evening Arnold, At 04:34 PM 5/1/2007, you wrote: A figure of nine microamperes per square millimeter is lodged somewhere in my brain but I can't remember how we arrived at that. Has anyone kept a record of these postings? Few of us have all the messages. I have many thousands. If you have a subject line, or a unique phrase, I can find them in short order. And there are a few techies left. But few of us have a micro amp meter. I would hope you have milliamps and micro amps mixed up. I could likely rig a micro amp measurement using some of my $100 digital panel meters if I thought it to be that important. You can make excellent CS and never measure micro amps. Few people even measure milliamps. How much are you measuring at the present? Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSVegetarian so bad? Maybe, Maybe not !
You wrote: Simply stated, this is all too complicated for the average human to cope with. He best eat some meat, eggs, and milk to keep from overloading his mind and blowing a fuse. That's why I said that our cultural eating habits do not yet support being vegetarian (unless one is willing to do a lot of extra work figuring everything out). In India, for instance, it comes as second nature for many people and they do a pretty good job of it. There is still some protein deficiency. Dan -Original Message- From: CWFugitt [mailto:c_wa...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSVegetarian so bad? Maybe, Maybe not ! Morning Faith, there are many things that are worse than deathand being a vegetarian is one of them. I do not understand this dreary remark. Please explain? I can't explain that statement, but been wanting to state my ideas. Lots of things are problems with being a vegetarian, Food supply Variety of Food Quality of food Cost of food, if one can find it. I understand it is harder on the environment than not being a non vegetarian. Wild animals are very efficient at harvesting their food supply and require no gas and oil for energy. Plus I have said for many years that few people are knowledgeable enough to be a vegetarian. Most have no idea of the protein, fat, carb ratio that they should target. Back in the 50's the ratio was stated to be 40 % fat 40 % protein 20 % carbs I realize that would change somewhat for a pure vegetarian. A huge variety of seeds and nuts can provide enough fats. Some research indicates we need some saturated fat. Not sure how they would get this. I realize there has been lots of different ideas on protein requirement. The average height of the adult male and life expectancy is in proportion to the number of grams consumed per day. Too much is bad also. One great doctor says, to live longer, eat less protein. He does not say eat no protein. Finally comes the issue of complete and incomplete proteins. Amino acids are hard to balance for a vegetarian. The two classes, Essential and Non-Essential are highly misleading. They are all essential. The ones classified as non essential are to be made by the body. Many people have problems whereas they cannot make the non essential amino acids, so .. they become essential for the diet. Wild animals eat 100 or more plants per day and stay on a food plot an average of 20 minutes. If the missing amino acids in one food are not found in another food within 30 minutes, they will not complement each other to produce a complete protein. Simply stated, this is all too complicated for the average human to cope with. He best eat some meat, eggs, and milk to keep from overloading his mind and blowing a fuse. Yes, I eat little meat, small servings of 1 to 3 ounces at most. I do take amino acid supplements, eat a few eggs, and some milk. Heck, I did not mention B-12 but everyone knows about that. I welcome anyone to disagree with me or disprove anything I said because it is mostly my opinion. Some of if is based on facts. grin All the above is a work load that is hard to shoulder. If we get into Biological Transmutation, the whole ball game changes. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIn memory of Nancy/ Terry
In a message dated 5/1/2007 6:33:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cag@gmail.com writes: Terry, I have a friend who has CS. Could I get a copy of Nancy's Journal. Thanks, SS On 4/29/07, Terry Chamberlin _tcj...@yahoo.ca_ (mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca) wrote: Nancy used to call me each year or so to update me about how she was doing. She had purchased one of my 10-gallon-per batch CS-brewers about five years ago, which enabled her to give away a lot of CS. She was a very generous woman. She was a positive, cheerful, hopeful person whom I enjoyed chatting with. I know she is having more fun right now than we are! My prayers go out to her husband. For those of you whom I have not sent it to, I have a copy of her 2-year journal that she kept as she vanquished MS with CS. Contact me and I will send it to you. Terry Chamberlin *I would be interested in her diary also...would you send it to me at _vwol...@aol.com_ (mailto:vwol...@aol.com) ? Thanks..V. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: CSVegetarian so bad? Maybe, Maybe not !
Hi Wayne, I am remembering when the federal govt commissioned a study to figure out according to modern research, just what kind of diet was healthiest. This is the study that resulted in the bastardized food pyramid. I got the updates in Science News, which I subscribed to for many years, and which reports on all fields of science. That was in the 70's. The preliminary report issued stated that a vegetarian diet was looking like the best bet- and I thought, gee, what are the dairy and meat industries going to say about this? Sure enough, they had a tizzy fit. The final report, which I read the abstract on, but don't remember now, was something like small amounts of animal protein was not too bad, but eating lots of fruits and veges and nuts was really good, with some whole grains. They put out a graph along with the report, a regular pie chart, which showed the animal protein part of it to be quite small, like a inty slice of pie. Of course, the giant industries could not put up with that, so they lobbied relentlessly to get the graphic changed, and eventually resulted in the food pyramid- bearing little relation to the original report, some, but with way more carbs. Typical of the gov't, in my opinion. Politics trumped the science, as is sometimes the case. Dr Spock was on this panel, and this is how he came to believe that a vegetarian diet was the healthiest, and started promoting it. Another researcher decided to do a study comparing the GI tracts of meat eating animals and vegetarian animals. After doing the lab work, he compared the findings to humans, and discovered that our GI tract resembles vegetarian animals. He was astonished, as he had assumed that the study would confirm we should all be eating meat, since he was a meat eater and believed in it. He decided his research was valid and became a vegetarian. I forget his name, he was at one of the big name U's in the northeast. This was maybe in the early 80s. As far as saturated fat goes, coconut oil is solid at room temp, as is palm oil, and that is an easy way to tell how saturated a fat is. There probably are other tropical oils that are saturated too. That is one of the reasons some people don't eat the tropical oil, as it may be bad for them if they are avoiding saturated fat. The heating process that hydrogenates oil makes it saturated too, if I recall rightly. Amino acids: it is not necessary to combine them in the same meal, eating them within a few days of each other can be enough. Most of the traditional indigenous diets have incorporated in them a good mix of amino acids that are enough to sustain good health and growth, even in periods where little meat is available. The traditional Indian diet includes some milk and butter as animal fat and protein. The Buddist vegetarians (I have heard) eat maybe dozens of different kinds of mushrooms and obscure greens, along with other things found in the natural state. I assume this is to keep up good health without any animal products. I think the dairy industry has really done a disservice to us in making the milk nearly undrinkable- most of the people I know here who are lacto veg either go with organic or do without mostly- the product has changed so much it doesn't resemble the old fashioned milk my mom got when she was a girl- the cow out back, taken care of lovingly, and spending the day eating grass. Kathryn On May 2, 2007, at 12:26 PM, CWFugitt wrote: Morning Faith, there are many things that are worse than deathand being a vegetarian is one of them. I do not understand this dreary remark. Please explain? I can't explain that statement, but been wanting to state my ideas. Lots of things are problems with being a vegetarian, Food supply Variety of Food Quality of food Cost of food, if one can find it. I understand it is harder on the environment than not being a non vegetarian. Wild animals are very efficient at harvesting their food supply and require no gas and oil for energy. Plus I have said for many years that few people are knowledgeable enough to be a vegetarian. Most have no idea of the protein, fat, carb ratio that they should target. Back in the 50's the ratio was stated to be 40 % fat 40 % protein 20 % carbs I realize that would change somewhat for a pure vegetarian. A huge variety of seeds and nuts can provide enough fats. Some research indicates we need some saturated fat. Not sure how they would get this. I realize there has been lots of different ideas on protein requirement. The average height of the adult male and life expectancy is in proportion to the number of grams consumed per day. Too much is bad also. One great doctor says, to live longer, eat less protein. He does not say eat no protein. Finally comes the issue of complete and incomplete proteins. Amino acids are hard to balance for a vegetarian. The two classes, Essential and
CSVegetarian, Enviromental Impact of Eating Meat
I understand it is harder on the environment than not being a non vegetarian. Wild animals are very efficient at harvesting their food supply and require no gas and oil for energy. Below is just one of many items on the extreme cost to the enviroment to eating meats. P.S. Eating vegetarian is less costly for me, 1/3 the food budget, because I eat less by obtaining my vitamins etc. When one does not get the required vitamins and minerals their body seeks, the body states it is hungry when in fact it doesn't need more and more food, it needs nutrients. http://www.emagazine.com/view/?142 Environmental Costs Energy-intensive U.S. factory farms generated 1.4 billion tons of animal waste in 1996, which, the Environmental Protection Agency reports, pollutes American waterways more than all other industrial sources combined. Meat production has also been linked to severe erosion of billions of acres of once-productive farmland and to the destruction of rainforests. McDonalds took a group of British animal rights activists to court in the 1990s because they had linked the fast food giant to an unhealthy diet and rainforest destruction. The defendants, who fought the company to a standstill, made a convincing case. In court documents, the activists asserted, From 1970 onwards, beef from cattle reared on ex-rainforest land was supplied to McDonalds. In a policy statement, McDonalds claims that it does not purchase beef which threatens tropical rainforests anywhere in the world, but it does not deny past purchases. Circle Four Farms, a Utah-based pork producer, hosts a three-million gallon waste lagoon. When lagoons like this spill into rivers and lakes as happened in North Carolina in 1995, the result can be environmentally catastrophic.© AP Photo / Douglas C. Pizac According to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), livestock raised for food produce 130 times the excrement of the human population, some 87,000 pounds per second. The Union of Concerned Scientists points out that 20 tons of livestock manure is produced annually for every U.S. household. The much-publicized 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska dumped 12 million gallons of oil into Prince William Sound, but the relatively unknown 1995 New River hog waste spill in North Carolina poured 25 million gallons of excrement and urine into the water, killing an estimated 10 to 14 million fish and closing 364,000 acres of coastal shellfishing beds. Hog waste spills have caused the rapid spread of a virulent microbe called Pfiesteria piscicida, which has killed a billion fish in North Carolina alone. More than a third of all raw materials and fossil fuels consumed in the U.S. are used in animal production. Beef production alone uses more water than is consumed in growing the nations entire fruit and vegetable crop. Producing a single hamburger patty uses enough fuel to drive 20 miles and causes the loss of five times its weight in topsoil. In his book The Food Revolution, author John Robbins estimates that youd save more water by not eating a pound of California beef than you would by not showering for an entire year. Because of deforestation to create grazing land, each vegetarian saves an acre of trees per year. We definitely take up more environmental space when we eat meat, says Barbara Bramble of the National Wildlife Federation. I think its consistent with environmental values to eat lower on the food chain. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
CSRe: Nancy's journal
Terry: I had requested a copy some time ago to date have not received. Not to pressure you, as I can see you have a lot of requests for the diary. Would it be possible to post the diary on the list as a PDF ? Thanks, Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVegetarian so bad? Maybe, Maybe not !
Evening Kathryn, At 01:09 PM 5/2/2007, you wrote: Generally, I agree with everything you said. Amino acids: it is not necessary to combine them in the same meal, eating them within a few days of each other can be enough. Most of the traditional indigenous diets have incorporated in them a good mix of amino acids that are enough to sustain good health and growth, even in periods where little meat is available. That does not agree with some things I have read. My data might be out of date as I cannot say if I read this 10, 20, or 30 years ago. I did relate the animal feeding patterns, which eat nearly all incomplete proteins to the 20 minute, actually 30 minute time table. The biologist spent many thousand of hours watching food plots to arrive at the 20 minute feed time. Then they move on to find other incomplete proteins. Typically carb meals have a shorter digestive time than protein and fats. For your statement of 2 or 3 days to be correct, there would have to be a storage of amino acids, else they would be long gone before they could be complemented. My understanding has always been that all 16 essential amino acids had to be present before the food could be metabolized as a protein. Now I remain confused. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMelamine
Mary said, I am a non toxic house cleaner everyone tells me to use Mr. clean magic erasers, for a long time I could not find what it is made from. Well I found it-- melamine foam. Is this the same melamine found in the pet foods that are killing our pets See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAny techies left?
Fred asks: Are you designing a new system? I think that we can divide the users of colloidal silver into 3 groups. The first group are those that want to try to make it themselves. Whether for reasons of economics, or the fact that they become utterly confused by the many conflicting claims of different suppliers doesn't really matter. There are many sources on the web, explaining the 3 or 4 9V battery methods and this is their general starting point. Some of these sources contain what I consider bad information, such as the addition of salt to the starting water. Others do not stress the importance of the quality of the distilled water that you start with. There is a seller on eBay who proudly proclaims that his 3 9 battery contraption is superior because it has constant voltage. It would seem that he is not aquinted with the concept of current density. I would like to incorporate a page or two on our website that will encompass my best advice for these people. I sell the silver in large quantities to manufacturers of colloidal silver generators and I am happy that they are going the extra distance to supply their customers with the best available metal. From what I can see most of the customers that start off experimenting with nine volt batteries and alligator clips end up purchasing a generator. They have found out for themselves the benefits of using colloidal silver. We have all we can handle, thankfully, at this time, operating our laser pointer business. If I can do something on the website that will decrease the time I spend on the phone with people who are just starting out in making CS, it would be a good thing for me, as well as my customers. To those of you making CS generators with our silver, please PM me your web addresses and as long as you don't claim that your electrons are more intelligent or energetic than the other guys we will put a link to you as a recommended supplier. You are doing a good job of taking care of the second group, as far as I can see. The third group, those that are afraid to make their own, are left to the mercy of the snake oil salesmen. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Fred Sprague f...@pmr-iowa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Re: CSAny techies left? Hi All, I don't have the previous postings but the value of 1-2 milliamps/Sq In is a good place be when designing electrodes and current densities. Having said that, do be careful with the shape of the electrodes. Any discontinuities, such as the edges of a silver strip, are sure to draw more current than the surrounding metal and blow you current density calculations. Use a nice cylindrical (round wire) for best performance. Arnold, are you related to Alvine Beland of AtlasNova fame? That's where we get our silver wire as do a lot of generator MFGs. Are you designing a new system? Regards, Fred CWFugitt wrote: Evening Arnold, At 04:34 PM 5/1/2007, you wrote: A figure of nine microamperes per square millimeter is lodged somewhere in my brain but I can't remember how we arrived at that. Has anyone kept a record of these postings? Few of us have all the messages. I have many thousands. If you have a subject line, or a unique phrase, I can find them in short order. And there are a few techies left. But few of us have a micro amp meter. I would hope you have milliamps and micro amps mixed up. I could likely rig a micro amp measurement using some of my $100 digital panel meters if I thought it to be that important. You can make excellent CS and never measure micro amps. Few people even measure milliamps. How much are you measuring at the present? Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNancy's death
Alternative therapy may have led to deaths Of all the stupid, irrelevant, misleading titles to put on an article, this takes the cake. Nothing in the article even suggested that her involvement in Alternative Therapy had anything to do with her death. Is a hot tub alternative therapy? Maybe the golf cart was alternative therapy? And no, unless they drove the golf cart into the hot tub and crushed themselves, it had nothing to do with their deaths. On the amazing side, the quotations from her journal would certainly catch my attention if I was an MS victim reading this article. Make free worldwide PC-to-PC calls. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger with Voice at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVegetarian so bad? Maybe, Maybe not !
Ok, me too. The animal feeding patterns sound like an important clue. If the animals are moving every 20 minutes, then they are getting a variety of foods over a period of time, hours, it sounds like. The new info on couple of days more or less, I started reading about in the last 8 or 9 years or so. It was based on some study or other, but don't recall any details. It is a common assertion in the vegetarian literature these days, and it looks like the body does store some of the amino acids it needs. The Vegetarian Resource Group in the UK was referred to me by the registered nutritionist I consulted when my kids decided they didn't want to eat meat anymore. They are now online, but then I had to send away for info. They might have some info on it. However, there is a small amount of protein in lots of foods, even in vegetables. If you classify a protein as something which has certain amino acids, and some are better than others, it is based on the assumption that certain combinations are easier for the body to use. Eating a wide variety of vegetables, nuts, fats and some whole grains is bound to give some good combos. People run into trouble eating useless things like dessert (wait a minute- don't shoot!), refined starches, or other foods that are no longer in synch with our current lifestyle. For example, a person working outside all day may be able to handle a very high fat diet, but switch to a desk job and you'll have to change what you eat or get fat. Or something like that. There is still so much we really don't know about how the body works. I like the approach of the animal, who eat what is available, whole grains, etc, and rely on instincts. I find that my instincts are pretty good about my diet, what I can eat and stay away from. If I can keep my bad habits under control (like sweets). If carbs have a short travel time, maybe thats why I love fats- or maybe it is that the only fats I eat are what I put on it, and it is not so much after all. I love fats with the carbs. Maybe it slows it down enough to get more out of the food. Kathryn On May 2, 2007, at 1:48 PM, CWFugitt wrote: Evening Kathryn, At 01:09 PM 5/2/2007, you wrote: Generally, I agree with everything you said. Amino acids: it is not necessary to combine them in the same meal, eating them within a few days of each other can be enough. Most of the traditional indigenous diets have incorporated in them a good mix of amino acids that are enough to sustain good health and growth, even in periods where little meat is available. That does not agree with some things I have read. My data might be out of date as I cannot say if I read this 10, 20, or 30 years ago. I did relate the animal feeding patterns, which eat nearly all incomplete proteins to the 20 minute, actually 30 minute time table. The biologist spent many thousand of hours watching food plots to arrive at the 20 minute feed time. Then they move on to find other incomplete proteins. Typically carb meals have a shorter digestive time than protein and fats. For your statement of 2 or 3 days to be correct, there would have to be a storage of amino acids, else they would be long gone before they could be complemented. My understanding has always been that all 16 essential amino acids had to be present before the food could be metabolized as a protein. Now I remain confused. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsyringoma - lower eyelid
hi guys, i'm looking for input on treatment options other than the following: Excision Electrodesiccation and curettage Dermabrasion Resurfacing with a carbon dioxide laser any help/info is greatly appreciated! tia! dc -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMelamine
Thank you for your reply, I guess it is the same thing, I read on another site that little kids think it is an eraser, when they get crayon on their faces they rub it off with this product but the product is causing 3rd degree burns and it spreads. I guess I will never use that. I knew it was too good to be true!Non Toxic, yeah right!!! Thanks again for the information Mary -- Original message -- From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca Mary said, I am a non toxic house cleaner everyone tells me to use Mr. clean magic erasers, for a long time I could not find what it is made from. Well I found it-- melamine foam. Is this the same melamine found in the pet foods that are killing our pets See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMelamine
Dear Mary and others: Just because a kid uses a Magic Eraser on his face like an eraser thinking it will remove crayon and hurts himself, doesn't mean this product is evil and toxic. First of all I have used this product for a very long time and it has been a lifesaver. It took iodine off my counter. It will remove crayon from WALLS safely and parents shouldn't allow their children to use or eat or do ANYTHING with magic erasers because they are not children's toys. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I use it without soap to wash my van and it does an excellent job. It removes scuff marks as well and many other things. If you would care to do some real deep research on Melamine foam you would find out that the reason it gave this child the burns is because of the way this foam is structured. That's why it is so effective but you're not supposed to use it on the skin! Parents should read the labels. It cleans right into the pores and the child got a type of rug burn Blame the parent not the product. The product works and does an excellent job. This reminds me of years ago when firecrackers were BANNED in Ontario because some idiotic parents allowed or did not supervise their young, careless children on firecracker day and they blew up their faces and hands because they abused them. Now even responsible adults cannot purchase them here in Canada because of one careless, thoughtless idiot. Please let's not go there with this. I hope also that I don't get 50 angry responses to this growling and misreading this email complaining bla bla bla. I'm really getting sick of it. Doris - Original Message From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 5:11:18 PM Subject: Re: CSMelamine Thank you for your reply, I guess it is the same thing, I read on another site that little kids think it is an eraser, when they get crayon on their faces they rub it off with this product but the product is causing 3rd degree burns and it spreads. I guess I will never use that. I knew it was too good to be true!Non Toxic, yeah right!!! Thanks again for the information Mary -- Original message -- From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca Mary said, I am a non toxic house cleaner everyone tells me to use Mr. clean magic erasers, for a long time I could not find what it is made from. Well I found it-- melamine foam. Is this the same melamine found in the pet foods that are killing our pets See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca
RE: CSsyringoma - lower eyelid
For a do-it-yourself treatment, please write to l uzy...@une.net.co FaithStFrancis, Licensed, practising Reflexology therapist Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:02:07 -0400 From: dcicc...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsyringoma - lower eyelid hi guys, i'm looking for input on treatment options other than the following: Excision Electrodesiccation and curettage Dermabrasion Resurfacing with a carbon dioxide laser any help/info is greatly appreciated! tia! dc -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline
RE: CSsyringoma - lower eyelid (correction)
For a do-it-yourself treatment, please write to luzy...@une.net.co FaithStFrancis, Licensed, practising Reflexology therapist Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:02:07 -0400 From: dcicc...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsyringoma - lower eyelid hi guys, i'm looking for input on treatment options other than the following: Excision Electrodesiccation and curettage Dermabrasion Resurfacing with a carbon dioxide laser any help/info is greatly appreciated! tia! dc -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+worldmkt=en-USform=QBRE
Re: CSMelamine
On Wednesday 02 May 2007 7:47 pm, mborg...@att.net wrote: Point is, is this the same stuff that pets are dying of, is it not I only care if this product is NON TOXIC. There are hundreds of chemicals out there that will do a fantastic job on everything but they are toxic. I have actually lost customers for I would not use any toxic chemicals. Again the question was, is this the same stuff that is killing pets, or not!!! Hi. According to the previously cited article in Wikipedia, It is not. They say: This article is about the chemical substance called melamine. The term melamine is also (inaccurately) used to denote melamine resin, a plastic material made from melamine by polymerization. This is what it says at the hyper text link to melamine resin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine_resin Melamine resin or melamine formaldehyde (also, incorrectly, melamine) is a plastic material made from melamine and formaldehyde by polymerization. This plastic is often used in kitchen utensils or plates (e.g. Melmac) and is the main constituent in high pressure laminates such as Formica and Arborite and of laminate flooring. Melamine tile wall panels can also be used as whiteboards. Melamine resin is often used to saturate decorative papers which are directly laminated onto particle board; the resultant panel is often referred to just as melamine and is frequently used in ready-to-assemble furniture and inexpensive kitchen cabinets. A special form of melamine resin is melamine foam, used mainly as a cleaning material. at the hyperlink for melamine foam it says: Melamine foam is a foam-like material consisting of a formaldehyde-melamine-sodium bisulfite copolymer. The foam, because of its microporous properties, may remove otherwise uncleanable external markings from relatively smooth surfaces. For example, it can remove crayon, magic marker, and grease from painted walls, finished wood, and hub caps. The open cell foam is not only microporous, but its polymeric substance is also extremely hard. This means it is actually working like sandpaper but on a very small scale, getting into tiny grooves and pits in the subject being cleaned. On a larger scale, the material feels soft. Because the bubbles interconnect, its structure ends up being more like a maze of fibreglass strands than like the array of separate bubbles in, for example, styrofoam. Melamine foam is safe to use for cleaning as long as the manufacturer's instructions are followed. If applied to the skin, especially in sensitive areas such as the face, irritation may occur. The substance needs to be dampened to work properly. It does break down rather rapidly, so a given block of foam generally lasts only a single intensive scrubbing session, though it can be used repeatedly for much smaller marks. While the name-brand Magic Eraser is made by Mr. Clean (Procter Gamble), the foam itself is manufactured by BASF under the name Basotect and was already a common product before this new use was discovered. Other companies have also begun cutting it up and marketing it for its cleaning properties, either under other names, like Coralite Ultimate Sponge, or as a generic product. The foam also has other interesting properties: it has high sound insulation efficiency and is also flame resistant. It's also very light: replacing the traditional foam in aircraft seats, an Airbus A380 can lose 600 kilos (1320 lbs).[citation needed] Melamine foam has been used for decades to create whiteboards, kitchen cabinets, soundproofing materials, as a fire-retardant material (but not as insulation, because it allows air to pass through its structure). The reason for the skin irritation is that it is a micro-fine abrasive, so rubbing it on the skin causes abrasions similar to a rug burn. It is of course still a plastic and one may want to avoid it for that reason but I think it is clear from the above that it won't be easy. Also obviously from the above it is regularly used in the preparation and serving of food. -- L T R Registered linux user # 280295 Associate member #4758 of The Free Software Foundation itisi...@gmail.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMelamine
Point is, is this the same stuff that pets are dying of, is it not I only care if this product is NON TOXIC. There are hundreds of chemicals out there that will do a fantastic job on everything but they are toxic. I have actually lost customers for I would not use any toxic chemicals. Again the question was, is this the same stuff that is killing pets, or not!!! -- Original message -- From: Cinder Ella mcomfy...@yahoo.ca Dear Mary and others: Just because a kid uses a Magic Eraser on his face like an eraser thinking it will remove crayon and hurts himself, doesn't mean this product is evil and toxic. First of all I have used this product for a very long time and it has been a lifesaver. It took iodine off my counter. It will remove crayon from WALLS safely and parents shouldn't allow their children to use or eat or do ANYTHING with magic erasers because they are not children's toys. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I use it without soap to wash my van and it does an excellent job. It removes scuff marks as well and many other things. If you would care to do some real deep research on Melamine foam you would find out that the reason it gave this child the burns is because of the way this foam is structured. That's why it is so effective but you're not supposed to use it on the skin! Parents should read the labels. It cleans right into the pores and the child got a type of rug burn Blame the parent not the product. The product works and does an excellent job. This reminds me of years ago when firecrackers were BANNED in Ontario because some idiotic parents allowed or did not supervise their young, careless children on firecracker day and they blew up their faces and hands because they abused them. Now even responsible adults cannot purchase them here in Canada because of one careless, thoughtless idiot. Please let's not go there with this. I hope also that I don't get 50 angry responses to this growling and misreading this email complaining bla bla bla. I'm really getting sick of it. Doris - Original Message From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 5:11:18 PM Subject: Re: CSMelamine Thank you for your reply, I guess it is the same thing, I read on another site that little kids think it is an eraser, when they get crayon on their faces they rub it off with this product but the product is causing 3rd degree burns and it spreads. I guess I will never use that. I knew it was too good to be true!Non Toxic, yeah right!!! Thanks again for the information Mary -- Original message -- From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca Mary said, I am a non toxic house cleaner everyone tells me to use Mr. clean magic erasers, for a long time I could not find what it is made from. Well I found it-- melamine foam. Is this the same melamine found in the pet foods that are killing our pets See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca
CSAnother silver product
Been off the list for a few months, and don't know whether this subject has made the list or not: My wife discovered this silver factoid while reading Targeted: Homeland Security and the Business of Immigration by Deepa Fernandes: A water backpack marketed by a company formerly owned by ex-NYC police commissioner Bernard Kerik (he sold his share when he was being considered for Homeland Security honcho) are being sold to the U.S. Border Patrol and to the military for troops in Iraq. The Camelbak contains a silver-lined pouch for prolonged purity of the water. After 9-11, Camelbak took its $20 athletic water bag, added better straps and the silver pouch, and sold it to the government for about $200. That's what the book is all about. My wife has also acquired colloidal silver impregnated food storage containers, sold by Sharper Image. They also market silver socks for diabetics. Is any of this news?
CSFw: Another silver product
Been off the list for a few months, and don't know whether this subject has made the list or not: My wife discovered this silver factoid while reading Targeted: Homeland Security and the Business of Immigration by Deepa Fernandes: A water backpack marketed by a company formerly owned by ex-NYC police commissioner Bernard Kerik (he sold his share when he was being considered for Homeland Security honcho) are being sold to the U.S. Border Patrol and to the military for troops in Iraq. The Camelbak contains a silver-lined pouch for prolonged purity of the water. After 9-11, Camelbak took its $20 athletic water bag, added better straps and the silver pouch, and sold it to the government for about $200. That's what the book is all about. From Camelbak's website: Q: How do I clean the reservoir - and how often do I clean it? A: The reservoir is very easy to clean for one very important reason - the entire reservoir and the drinking tube is embedded with silver-ion; a compound that works constantly to keep the system clean by effectively eliminating 99.99% of common bacteria and fungus. It doesn't purify the liquid - it prevents the bacteria from 'sticking' to the wall of the reservoir/drinking tube thus making cleaning a snap. The silver-ion is FDA-Approved and EPA-Registered. My wife has also acquired colloidal silver impregnated food storage containers, sold by Sharper Image. They also market silver socks for diabetics. Don't know whether any of this is new to the list, but I'll catch up quickly.
Re: CSvegetarian so bad?
Hi Faith, I believe my husband's remark means he likes meat, and dislikes eating vegetarian. He did try it for a while, but didn't last long. He is a confirmed carnivore, who thinks a vegetable is a pickle on a hamburger. sol Faith Saint Francis wrote: Sol wrote: there are many things that are worse than deathand being a vegetarian is one of them. I do not understand this dreary remark. Please explain? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvegetarian so bad?
Well I tried it too... I think I could do it..but I still need my meat..my 13 year old if a vegetarian.. she DOESNT like meat at all.. I tried and tried..but nothing.. she looks at me and says she's going to PIUK... spelling:... lol... I can eat raw meat.. Steak... hamburg.. anything that is beef... nothing else though... and I will eat it raw.. I feed my dogs raw also.. even the vet yells at me most of the time but I just tell her the shut up;lol.. she asked me last time if I would eat what the dogs eat and I said YES MY DEAR... and she shut up because she knew I would and could do it.. also they get CS every morning in the water.. mostly the young puppies.. the others I skip here and there... I just need to figure out a way to make it on my own.. I still didn't get the gutts to buy one from silver puppy.. not knowing which one ... and not knowing what to do... sorry for the long email but wanted to share this...I don't speak often here.. hugs to all Nathalie www.mystykalsky.com www.elitehavanese.com www.freewebs.com/mystykalsky/ - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:47 PM Subject: Re: CSvegetarian so bad? Hi Faith, I believe my husband's remark means he likes meat, and dislikes eating vegetarian. He did try it for a while, but didn't last long. He is a confirmed carnivore, who thinks a vegetable is a pickle on a hamburger. sol Faith Saint Francis wrote: Sol wrote: there are many things that are worse than deathand being a vegetarian is one of them. I do not understand this dreary remark. Please explain? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNancy - Suicide verdict overruled.
The coroner has changed the verdict to drowning 'pending further studies'. My guess is a ruling of Accidental Death will probably follow http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/366452,CST-NWS-women02.article It sounds like the heat of the water combined with MS simply caused the 2 women to become paralysed. A tragic accident but much better for all concerned than a 'suicide' verdict. The link above is very interesting. It describes her succes with colloidal silver. Nancy's Bridge partners say that at the time of her death she displayed no symptoms of MS. The hot tub therapy was described as 'alternative' but it was just an open tub next to the hotel pool. Nothing particularly weird about that. Lots of people enjoy a spa. Perhaps Nancy just became a little overconfident. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMelamine
Thank You for that information mary -- Original message -- From: Langsley itisi...@gmail.com On Wednesday 02 May 2007 7:47 pm, mborg...@att.net wrote: Point is, is this the same stuff that pets are dying of, is it not I only care if this product is NON TOXIC. There are hundreds of chemicals out there that will do a fantastic job on everything but they are toxic. I have actually lost customers for I would not use any toxic chemicals. Again the question was, is this the same stuff that is killing pets, or not!!! Hi. According to the previously cited article in Wikipedia, It is not. They say: This article is about the chemical substance called melamine. The term melamine is also (inaccurately) used to denote melamine resin, a plastic material made from melamine by polymerization. This is what it says at the hyper text link to melamine resin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine_resin Melamine resin or melamine formaldehyde (also, incorrectly, melamine) is a plastic material made from melamine and formaldehyde by polymerization. This plastic is often used in kitchen utensils or plates (e.g. Melmac) and is the main constituent in high pressure laminates such as Formica and Arborite and of laminate flooring. Melamine tile wall panels can also be used as whiteboards. Melamine resin is often used to saturate decorative papers which are directly laminated onto particle board; the resultant panel is often referred to just as melamine and is frequently used in ready-to-assemble furniture and inexpensive kitchen cabinets. A special form of melamine resin is melamine foam, used mainly as a cleaning material. at the hyperlink for melamine foam it says: Melamine foam is a foam-like material consisting of a formaldehyde-melamine-sodium bisulfite copolymer. The foam, because of its microporous properties, may remove otherwise uncleanable external markings from relatively smooth surfaces. For example, it can remove crayon, magic marker, and grease from painted walls, finished wood, and hub caps. The open cell foam is not only microporous, but its polymeric substance is also extremely hard. This means it is actually working like sandpaper but on a very small scale, getting into tiny grooves and pits in the subject being cleaned. On a larger scale, the material feels soft. Because the bubbles interconnect, its structure ends up being more like a maze of fibreglass strands than like the array of separate bubbles in, for example, styrofoam. Melamine foam is safe to use for cleaning as long as the manufacturer's instructions are followed. If applied to the skin, especially in sensitive areas such as the face, irritation may occur. The substance needs to be dampened to work properly. It does break down rather rapidly, so a given block of foam generally lasts only a single intensive scrubbing session, though it can be used repeatedly for much smaller marks. While the name-brand Magic Eraser is made by Mr. Clean (Procter Gamble), the foam itself is manufactured by BASF under the name Basotect and was already a common product before this new use was discovered. Other companies have also begun cutting it up and marketing it for its cleaning properties, either under other names, like Coralite Ultimate Sponge, or as a generic product. The foam also has other interesting properties: it has high sound insulation efficiency and is also flame resistant. It's also very light: replacing the traditional foam in aircraft seats, an Airbus A380 can lose 600 kilos (1320 lbs).[citation needed] Melamine foam has been used for decades to create whiteboards, kitchen cabinets, soundproofing materials, as a fire-retardant material (but not as insulation, because it allows air to pass through its structure). The reason for the skin irritation is that it is a micro-fine abrasive, so rubbing it on the skin causes abrasions similar to a rug burn. It is of course still a plastic and one may want to avoid it for that reason but I think it is clear from the above that it won't be easy. Also obviously from the above it is regularly used in the preparation and serving of food. -- L T R Registered linux user # 280295 Associate member #4758 of The Free Software Foundation itisi...@gmail.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMelamine
Try writing to the company whos label states it's in their product and ask them that question. See what answer they give you. - Original Message From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:47:51 PM Subject: Re: CSMelamine Point is, is this the same stuff that pets are dying of, is it not I only care if this product is NON TOXIC. There are hundreds of chemicals out there that will do a fantastic job on everything but they are toxic. I have actually lost customers for I would not use any toxic chemicals. Again the question was, is this the same stuff that is killing pets, or not!!! -- Original message -- From: Cinder Ella mcomfy...@yahoo.ca Dear Mary and others: Just because a kid uses a Magic Eraser on his face like an eraser thinking it will remove crayon and hurts himself, doesn't mean this product is evil and toxic. First of all I have used this product for a very long time and it has been a lifesaver. It took iodine off my counter. It will remove crayon from WALLS safely and parents shouldn't allow their children to use or eat or do ANYTHING with magic erasers because they are not children's toys. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I use it without soap to wash my van and it does an excellent job. It removes scuff marks as well and many other things. If you would care to do some real deep research on Melamine foam you would find out that the reason it gave this child the burns is because of the way this foam is structured. That's why it is so effective but you're not supposed to use it on the skin! Parents should read the labels. It cleans right into the pores and the child got a type of rug burn Blame the parent not the product. The product works and does an excellent job. This reminds me of years ago when firecrackers were BANNED in Ontario because some idiotic parents allowed or did not supervise their young, careless children on firecracker day and they blew up their faces and hands because they abused them. Now even responsible adults cannot purchase them here in Canada because of one careless, thoughtless idiot. Please let's not go there with this. I hope also that I don't get 50 angry responses to this growling and misreading this email complaining bla bla bla. I'm really getting sick of it. Doris - Original Message From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 5:11:18 PM Subject: Re: CSMelamine Thank you for your reply, I guess it is the same thing, I read on another site that little kids think it is an eraser, when they get crayon on their faces they rub it off with this product but the product is causing 3rd degree burns and it spreads. I guess I will never use that. I knew it was too good to be true!Non Toxic, yeah right!!! Thanks again for the information Mary -- Original message -- From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca Mary said, I am a non toxic house cleaner everyone tells me to use Mr. clean magic erasers, for a long time I could not find what it is made from. Well I found it-- melamine foam. Is this the same melamine found in the pet foods that are killing our pets See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca
Re: CSVegetarian so bad? Maybe, Maybe not !
Clayton Family wrote: Amino acids: it is not necessary to combine them in the same meal, eating them within a few days of each other can be enough. I don't have any reference info, but I have been told the above idea has been proven false. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
