CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
OK people, by George I do believe I have finally got it. I have been digesting all of this while you were all making 'zeds' and now the light bulb has finally lit. If I understood electricity better I would have seen it earlier. Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production proceeds. What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter rating...that is the time to stop production. As I suggested to someone earlier, I'm sorry but I can't remember who so no offence meant, voltage is just the means to an end. This is what stumped me on the weekend... I hooked the amp meter on and the reading never stopped, it kept...damn, I am going to have to check that again, but I think it kept going down. Now I understand what is going on. I set everything up using tap water to get instant results, or readings if you like, and the reading was changing almost every second. I expected it to remain the same. AH HA!! If what I have stated here is correct thenI HAVE FINALLY GOT IT SUSSED! I didn't realise just how 'blunt' this knife was! No good me talking to a 'sparky' as it was all goggledeegook to me. I now eagerly await your awakening with the hope that you will agree that I now know what is going on. You can't imagine my elation that I now see how damn simple it is. DUH!! I needed to have it explained it in it's simplest form. Other people I have spoken to must practice the old addage...If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em. I still can't believe how simple it is, if I am right. Jeez, how thick am I ?...alright, I'm not looking for an answer to that! Neville.
Re: CSMoon phases
Don't worry about that Neville, this is a CS list primarily so all and any questions on the main subject are acceptable. Its only when some of us digress off topic excessively grin that things can get a bit 'hairy'! dee Neville wrote: Hi ode, If you will grant me the liberty of digressing briefly, I would just like to say something before going on. Just in closing I would also like to add that you people must be pretty sick and tired of discussing the same old things over and over but this will be a necessary evil due to there always being new uses of ICS poking their heads around your door. If you people maintain your patience and tolerance then all will be fine. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore Science Efforts to make CS, Maybe
Your star sign doesn't happen to be Aquarius, does it Neville? dee Neville wrote: This is the bug bear for me Wayne because although I keep saying that I want to keep things simple, without all the scientific mumbo jumbo, I still get sucked in to a damn 'learn more' thing!! It would be so much simpler if I could just let it go and leave it alone...ie; make CS, drink it/use it, believe it's doing good and just leave it at that, but I have trouble letting it go, I seem compelled to find out more and to better understand. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMoon phases
Hi Dee, Well it's only because it's been pretty hard trying to find credible information, and people who I consider are worth listening to that I made those comments and you lot have put explanations together in a much simpler fashion so that a lay person like myself can digest it and see the picture. I've been trying to hunt down sources of good material and trying to find people who except the lay-man as he/she is and understand that we all have to learn somewhere, no matter how ridiculous or naive our questioning appears. I consider I am doing a 5 year traineeship, or apprenticeship, and am only in my second year, still got three to go. I just like to give credit where it's due that's all. My philosophy is that I can accept criticism people may dish out, so long as I'm around to accept some credit when that's dished out as well. Thanks for that though. Neville. - Original Message - From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: Re: CSMoon phases Don't worry about that Neville, this is a CS list primarily so all and any questions on the main subject are acceptable. Its only when some of us digress off topic excessively grin that things can get a bit 'hairy'! dee Neville wrote: Hi ode, If you will grant me the liberty of digressing briefly, I would just like to say something before going on. Just in closing I would also like to add that you people must be pretty sick and tired of discussing the same old things over and over but this will be a necessary evil due to there always being new uses of ICS poking their heads around your door. If you people maintain your patience and tolerance then all will be fine. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore Science Efforts to make CS, Maybe
Nup, Virgo! - Original Message - From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Re: CSMore Science Efforts to make CS, Maybe Your star sign doesn't happen to be Aquarius, does it Neville? dee Neville wrote: This is the bug bear for me Wayne because although I keep saying that I want to keep things simple, without all the scientific mumbo jumbo, I still get sucked in to a damn 'learn more' thing!! It would be so much simpler if I could just let it go and leave it alone...ie; make CS, drink it/use it, believe it's doing good and just leave it at that, but I have trouble letting it go, I seem compelled to find out more and to better understand. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hi Neville, to whom it concerns? You, I think,g. Anyway, I'll take a shot at this; think of electricity as analogous to water; think of voltage as the pressure the water has tending to force it through, well, whatever; a hose (wire) a nozzle (resistor), a large or small pipe (big or small wire,and hence able to carry more or less water (electricity)) at that pressure (voltage), and also how quickly you can fill a bucket given that hose, nozzle, water pressure and size of bucket - (aahhh, the amps, or amperes, or milliamps, or microamps, etc.; the quantity of electricity flowing). In the above, keep in mind that 'water' in this illustration has nothing at all to do with the water used in making colloidal silver; here it's just a handy way to give some sense of what these odd terms like volts, milliamps, and such represent. Also for the moment we will skip any detailed consideration of how fast the electricity is moving - for purposes of the analogy it is moving at virtually the speed of light, and always does. we'll also skip how fast ions move in solution and other arcane and seemingly contradictory stuff for now, you're already getting about the first month of a beginning course on electricity in a few minutes. OK, back to the analogy then, double the pressure behind the hose, leave the nozzle the same, and you will get twice the amperage (err, water in the bucket) in the same amount of time. Or, open the nozzle to twice the size with the same pressure behind it and, voila! twice the water in the same amount of time. [unless you've got a kink in the hose, aka a big resistor in your circuit. . . ] On to the magic of CS (Colloidal Silver). The - we hope pure - water used to make CS is not what comes out of the hose. Even if it had been pure before it went into the hose it might very well not be when it came out, so I'll not muddy the water further [sorry, almost] except to point out that pure H2O has a Very high resistance to the passage of electricity - Unlike the water from most domestic water supplies, which conducts electricity well enough to give people standing barefoot in it a nasty shock if they touch the wrong thing. Very high resistance results in very little electricity moving through the water with the silver wires hanging in it. The flow of electricity, measured in amps, or milliamps, is at first extremely small and as it flows off one wire, it begins to pull small bits of silver, as molecules or ions, off of the wire into the water; and as that happens the water becomes more conductive or to put it the other way, to have less resistance. After all, now it has some ions which 'impurify' the water, allowing electricity to flow more easily from wire to wire. This process can become runaway, allowing more and more electric current to flow until the water does indeed become muddy, with Large particles of silver torn off the wire by the large current flow. This is not what we want, so it behooves us to limit the rate at which the current can flow down to a small consistent amount, perhaps a milliamp or only several hundred microamps. On the other hand, at first the resistance is So high that it seems to take forever to get the first few ions and particles of silver into the water, so we tend to raise the voltage (electrical pressure) on the wire initially to cause more electric current flow and get those first few into the water speedily. There are electronic circuits which can sense how much electric current is flowing, and also limit it to some preselected value; and one of the ways they manage this throttling is by controlling the electric pressure (aka voltage) allowed through them to the silver wire. All for now, hope this helps; M. On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 16:32 +0930, Neville wrote: OK people, by George I do believe I have finally got it. I have been digesting all of this while you were all making 'zeds' and now the light bulb has finally lit. If I understood electricity better I would have seen it earlier. Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production proceeds. What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter rating...that is the time to stop production. As I suggested to someone earlier, I'm sorry but I can't remember who so no offence meant, voltage is just the means to an end. This is what stumped me on the weekend... I hooked the amp meter on and the reading never stopped, it kept...damn, I am going to have to check that again, but I think it kept going down. Now I understand what is going on. I set everything up using tap water to get instant results, or readings if you like, and the reading was changing almost every second. I expected it to remain the same. AH HA!! If what I have stated here is correct thenI HAVE FINALLY GOT IT SUSSED! I didn't realise just how 'blunt' this knife was! No good me talking to a 'sparky' as it
CSBionaid (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE I got around to reading the info on the Bionaid web site, looking for opinions. If true on particle size it could be interesting. But there is also the old saying if it is working why change or mess with it (CS). What is the particle size on the 1 CS that was recommended for intravenously. Bob Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE
CSPower Supply Characteristics
Morning Neville, At 11:15 PM 9/1/2008, you wrote: Here's something I find curious...when I connect a multimeter to the electrodes on my 24V mains power unit I get a reading of 30V... How can this be so? Why doesn't it read 24V as stated on the power adaptor? If it's complicated and/or lengthy at all, don't worry about it for now. I have to worry about it. You and likely others need to know. Power Supplies come in all qualities, types, some good, some poor, and some better. What you are talking about is Per Cent Regulation. ( an old and historical feature, quality, or curse of power supplies ) To understand it, to some degree, This is the Voltage under Full Load Compared to The Voltage under NO LOAD. For some applications, this is very critical, for others it is not so critical. One should know this when he embarks on the power supply journey. or else . ! ! Most of us know about the older power supplies that consisted of only a transformer, rectifier ( many types ) capacitors, and maybe a resistor or two. I never liked Half Wave, I always liked Full Wave rectifiers. Later, with the event of new technology. transistors, regulators, many integrated circuits, and on and on, Switching Power Supplies, ( and other types ) began to make the scene. Then, along came UL listed power supplies. Some of the very best, and high dollar power supplies we use today are in fact, UL listed. These are used in Life Safety applications. Not exactly a place to monkey around, of for a dumb old redneck to build power supplies. I have one power supply in my shop, I designed and built. It is 12 VDC and 100 AMPS. Large high quality heat sinks Fans Partitions to control the air flow ( the idea was for it not to Self Destruct ) Next I have to build a device to load test it. Do that right or it will not last thru ONE TEST. Large Wire Wound Resistors that run RED HOT ! Simple math says, 1200 Watts. Minimum Place a steel plate on top, boil coffee, fry eggs, or bake bread with some modification. Another thing I must mention that is in order, is that High Speed Fuses are very different from ordinary fuses. They have to be fast enough to protect the solid state devices. And they are not CHEAP. For a few years, I was the field service rep for Chloride Systems, Emergy Lite, Computer Power, and Hunt Electronics. Almost forgot, Lighting Services, a large northern company I did work for in MS, LA, AL, and GA. Nothing to it, all in a days work. A few times, I had to buy $ 200.00 worth of fuses before I did a service Call. Of course many were 100 amp and 200 amp high speed fuses. Every circuit, needs at least one fuse. Always, . 480 / Three Phase Inverter systems, with about a TON of Batteries, is in fact a power supply of sorts. Two large battery cabinets, 4 feet tall, and 40 feet long. Most of these have a Low Battery Cut Off. It works so fast, you will not know it functioned. The Inverter will not work,. and you scratch your head for a while, one minute or two, maybe more. grin And I do not claim to know all about power supplies, ... just a little, maybe. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMotor Neuron Disease - antibiotics
Rowena, My problem was with the aspect of the Dr. claiming to practice Molecular Medicine. Obviously he isn't with the protocol under discussion,-which was extended use of antibiotics. Paula - Original Message - From: Rowena new...@aapt.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: Re: CSMotor Neuron Disease - antibiotics They use what treatment they have. At least they are acknowledging the parasitic element, which is a step forward. We have CS, electricity, frequencies, good salt, coconut oil, Far Infrared saunas, and so on. To take the valuable stuff out of the article - it confirms or directs our ideas on the sources of infection. We can do our own thing with the treatment. I just now received this from a lady with MS I met on another group. She said: I just read the message from NancyMike, my question is, how do you take the CS and where does one get it? Where to start! (The message was an old one from 2004) She is very scared at the moment. She lives in Missouri. Her daughter has come to live with her to look after her. Rowena Here is another quote for anyone searching for MS options: Multiple Sclerosis Zapper http://www.paradevices.com/?mv_pc=zsubj=mscclic=done If you suffer from Multiple Sclerosis or symptoms of MS then you may have parasites which are causing these problems or increase your susceptability. Recent medical evidence shows that many people have significant numbers of parasites living inside of themselves and that these parasites may be causing or aggravating your Multiple Sclerosis. Other frequent symptoms of these parasite infections are low resistance to illnesses such as colds and flu, asthma, allergies, colitis, chronic fatigue syndrome, and malaise as well as pains. People around the world are infested with parasites including many from countries previously thought to be reasonably free of intestinal parasites including the United States. Recent medical studies indicate that American men live shorter lives of up to 4 years because of parasites. Other medical studies find that the average male carries up to 2 lbs of parasites inside of his body. Among customers responding to our surveys, of those who used ParaZapper T CCa with copper paddles and augmentation footpads to help with Multiple Sclerosis, most reported good ( better than 50 percent inprovement ) results. Based on these survey results, ParaZapper T may be a very effective way to reduce the effects of Multiple Sclerosis, and related illness. Additionally, ParaZapper has been featured in a major publication ( New Pathways July-August 2005 issue ) for sufferers of Multiple Sclerosis. If you are experiencing symptoms, or any other reason to believe that you may have a parasite infection, or for your own general health and well-being, Then you might want to consider trying Para Zapper T a safe, simple, easy way to help with parasite problems. ParaZapper! ParaZapper T users often report that using the ParaZapper T as soon as cold or flu symptoms appear often stops or reduces the extent of the cold or flu. They also claim that with use of ParaZapper T they feel better and have more energy. How does ParaZapper T work? The following have been suggested and are under investigation. a.. By killing other parasites living in your body that distract your immune system. b.. By interfering the entry of viruses into the hosts cells which allows the immune system time to catch them. c.. By alerting the immune system to their presence which allows the immune system to eliminate them quicker. --- Are you aware that antibiotics really means anti- life? I was really surprised that the founder of the Institute for Molecular Medicine in Huntington Beach would be prescribing year or more on antibiotics. He sounds more like a traditional allopathic MD to me. The fact that he has over 500 peer reviewed articles reinforces this thought. This is not a person that offers Molecular Medicine to his patients. I just got done reading a book by Paavo Airola ND, Ph.D and it outlines the cure for Rheumatoid Arthritis and it does not include any antibiotics. It is actually something one could manage to do on their own provided they haven't had too much conventional treatment so that they are an invalid. Paula His protocol is long administration of antibiotics. Institute For Molecular Medicine 16371 Gothard St Huntington Beach, CA 92647 Some links: http://www.immed.org/illness/autoimmune_illness_research.html The recovery is slow; it usually takes up to or over a year to recover, but these patients had no alternative or effective treatments for their conditions, other than the alleviation of pain. Chronic infections are important in a variety of autoimmune and neurodegenerative diseases, such as MS, Lupus (SLE), among others, and
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
At 02:02 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production proceeds. What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter Just use your current meter and stop watch to see what is happening. That is all I ever used. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
What can I say Malcolm, you all have been of invaluable assistance. I think I have three analogies now of which I am beginning to get a better understanding of the electronics of CS units. I have only made the basic units but have always had in the back of my mind looking into current limiters as a result of all I have researched. I am sort of contradicting myself here because I have stated in the past that I wanted it simple, but now I am beginning to see that it is relatively simple, one just needs a basic knowledge of the electronic workings of them. I see now what some of you have been saying about ppm meters, but I still stand by what I said regarding the 'man in the street' being able to test his CS in the home using these meters though, it may not be as accurate as watching the current but at least he gets an idea of whats happening. I will shortly look into making another generator incorporating a current limiter. I'm going to ask about 'spiking' voltage a little later as well. Be ready! Many Thanks Malcolm, and to all, (and hope those of you I am speaking of read this also), who have given me analogies and assistance of which I can read an absorb. If you will excuse me, I'm off to study these now. Maybe catch you on the morrow. Neville. - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. Hi Neville, to whom it concerns? You, I think,g. Anyway, I'll take a shot at this; think of electricity as analogous to water; think of voltage as the pressure the water has tending to force it through, well, whatever; a hose (wire) a nozzle (resistor), a large or small pipe (big or small wire,and hence able to carry more or less water (electricity)) at that pressure (voltage), and also how quickly you can fill a bucket given that hose, nozzle, water pressure and size of bucket - (aahhh, the amps, or amperes, or milliamps, or microamps, etc.; the quantity of electricity flowing). In the above, keep in mind that 'water' in this illustration has nothing at all to do with the water used in making colloidal silver; here it's just a handy way to give some sense of what these odd terms like volts, milliamps, and such represent. Also for the moment we will skip any detailed consideration of how fast the electricity is moving - for purposes of the analogy it is moving at virtually the speed of light, and always does. we'll also skip how fast ions move in solution and other arcane and seemingly contradictory stuff for now, you're already getting about the first month of a beginning course on electricity in a few minutes. OK, back to the analogy then, double the pressure behind the hose, leave the nozzle the same, and you will get twice the amperage (err, water in the bucket) in the same amount of time. Or, open the nozzle to twice the size with the same pressure behind it and, voila! twice the water in the same amount of time. [unless you've got a kink in the hose, aka a big resistor in your circuit. . . ] On to the magic of CS (Colloidal Silver). The - we hope pure - water used to make CS is not what comes out of the hose. Even if it had been pure before it went into the hose it might very well not be when it came out, so I'll not muddy the water further [sorry, almost] except to point out that pure H2O has a Very high resistance to the passage of electricity - Unlike the water from most domestic water supplies, which conducts electricity well enough to give people standing barefoot in it a nasty shock if they touch the wrong thing. Very high resistance results in very little electricity moving through the water with the silver wires hanging in it. The flow of electricity, measured in amps, or milliamps, is at first extremely small and as it flows off one wire, it begins to pull small bits of silver, as molecules or ions, off of the wire into the water; and as that happens the water becomes more conductive or to put it the other way, to have less resistance. After all, now it has some ions which 'impurify' the water, allowing electricity to flow more easily from wire to wire. This process can become runaway, allowing more and more electric current to flow until the water does indeed become muddy, with Large particles of silver torn off the wire by the large current flow. This is not what we want, so it behooves us to limit the rate at which the current can flow down to a small consistent amount, perhaps a milliamp or only several hundred microamps. On the other hand, at first the resistance is So high that it seems to take forever to get the first few ions and particles of silver into the water, so we tend to raise the voltage (electrical pressure) on the wire initially to cause more electric current flow and get those first few into the water speedily. There are electronic circuits which can sense how much electric current is flowing, and also limit it to
Re: CSPower Supply Characteristics
Morning Wayne, Yep, I get the picture, although I get none of the picture after the first sentence, (sorry, but can't stop laughing as you would know by now that my knowledge of electronics is...zilch! and the joke's on me I'm afraid, not you). I'm beginning to wonder what you guys must be thinking you have struck here, (still laughing). But yes, I see where you are going. It's about LOAD...Jeez, I'm trying to find an analogy myself now and can't think of one, but I do know what you are alluding to regarding load. I don't savvy the electronics of it but I do know that motors etc have a 'load' capacity or rating or however it's described. Yep yep. Don't take offence Wayne but I know so little about this that it's not funny. You must be wondering how the hell I have lived this long if I am dabbling in electronics. Neville. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: CSPower Supply Characteristics Morning Neville, At 11:15 PM 9/1/2008, you wrote: Here's something I find curious...when I connect a multimeter to the electrodes on my 24V mains power unit I get a reading of 30V... How can this be so? Why doesn't it read 24V as stated on the power adaptor? If it's complicated and/or lengthy at all, don't worry about it for now. I have to worry about it. You and likely others need to know. Power Supplies come in all qualities, types, some good, some poor, and some better. What you are talking about is Per Cent Regulation. ( an old and historical feature, quality, or curse of power supplies ) To understand it, to some degree, This is the Voltage under Full Load Compared to The Voltage under NO LOAD. For some applications, this is very critical, for others it is not so critical. One should know this when he embarks on the power supply journey. or else . ! ! Most of us know about the older power supplies that consisted of only a transformer, rectifier ( many types ) capacitors, and maybe a resistor or two. I never liked Half Wave, I always liked Full Wave rectifiers. Later, with the event of new technology. transistors, regulators, many integrated circuits, and on and on, Switching Power Supplies, ( and other types ) began to make the scene. Then, along came UL listed power supplies. Some of the very best, and high dollar power supplies we use today are in fact, UL listed. These are used in Life Safety applications. Not exactly a place to monkey around, of for a dumb old redneck to build power supplies. I have one power supply in my shop, I designed and built. It is 12 VDC and 100 AMPS. Large high quality heat sinks Fans Partitions to control the air flow ( the idea was for it not to Self Destruct ) Next I have to build a device to load test it. Do that right or it will not last thru ONE TEST. Large Wire Wound Resistors that run RED HOT ! Simple math says, 1200 Watts. Minimum Place a steel plate on top, boil coffee, fry eggs, or bake bread with some modification. Another thing I must mention that is in order, is that High Speed Fuses are very different from ordinary fuses. They have to be fast enough to protect the solid state devices. And they are not CHEAP. For a few years, I was the field service rep for Chloride Systems, Emergy Lite, Computer Power, and Hunt Electronics. Almost forgot, Lighting Services, a large northern company I did work for in MS, LA, AL, and GA. Nothing to it, all in a days work. A few times, I had to buy $ 200.00 worth of fuses before I did a service Call. Of course many were 100 amp and 200 amp high speed fuses. Every circuit, needs at least one fuse. Always, . 480 / Three Phase Inverter systems, with about a TON of Batteries, is in fact a power supply of sorts. Two large battery cabinets, 4 feet tall, and 40 feet long. Most of these have a Low Battery Cut Off. It works so fast, you will not know it functioned. The Inverter will not work,. and you scratch your head for a while, one minute or two, maybe more. grin And I do not claim to know all about power supplies, ... just a little, maybe. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
That's the picture I am beginning to see now Wayne, and I can understand it better now. I will get a current limiter shortly and make another unit and 'play' around with it. Cheers. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:31 PM Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. At 02:02 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production proceeds. What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter Just use your current meter and stop watch to see what is happening. That is all I ever used. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSResistors.
Hey Malcolm, I just read your bit about 'resistors', I actually solder in, what I believe, is a resistor. Make sure nobody else reads the following, but.are resistors those tiny ceramic things that have little bands of varying colours and with a wire passing through it? I did some research on those and apparently the colour bands denote...is it milliamps? I downloaded a chart with the colours and what they represent and mine has a red, (could be orange as I can't tell, even with glasses on as they are so small), a white and 2 black bands and on looking it up it reads, I think, 290 whatever, or 390 whatever. This wouldn't be a current limiter would it? It actually gets warm when unit is 'working' also which suggests to me that it is a limiter. The 'backpressure' with water thing? I bought a generator years ago and have been altering that generator, well the generator I bought was probably made in someones back shed anyway but the design of the inner workings would still be the same, I'm just making slight alterations to how it goes together for cosmetic purposes, eg; removable electrodes instead of soldering them onto a board. Banana connectors for the electrodes so that the unit stores away neater if you see what I mean. Neville.
Re: CSMoon phases..sun spots and glass, current and voltage ..high/low and no frequencies blah blah blah
To keep voltage constant, the current has to vary with conductivity. Voltage controls *how fast* ions move and there are no particles TO move..it's ALL Ions. Current controls *how many* Ions move. Particles play a role later as Ions and Anions find each other. The more of each in any given spot, the easier it is for one to find the other...concentration zone. The most dense zones possible are right at the surface of the electrodes, the Nernst Diffusion Layer. To keep particle sizes down, you want to limit the amount of available material to make particles out of. Imagine the people boiling out of that burning bar into the parking lot. In the door, ladies and gents are very close to exchanging wardrobes but really like the clothes they came with. Just outside the door the crowd disburses some. A few feet from the door, elbows have some room to shuck a bra and mismatch socks Several yards from the door, you start thinking about whos car these keys fit more than whos shoes you might be wearing. ALL of the silver that comes off an electrode is in the form of Ag [+] Ions. The door and area just outside is called the Nernst Diffusion layer. In the door is a micro density that nothing outside the door can affect, just outside the door is a macro density what the wind can blow around [stirring] Ions stay dissolved in water till the concentration exceeds its solubility limits, then the ions really want to form a crystal and try very hard to find the electron required to do that. The OH anion may provide one and the crystal will be Silver Hydroxide. If there is any Ozone or dissolved Oxygen, you might get Silver Oxide. Within the Nernst Diffusion layer, the ionic concentration is at the maximum possible, so to keep crystals from forming there, you must limit the numbers of ions going through a given sized door. [electrode surface area] Current controls how many ions per door size are trying to get out. Current density Voltage determines how fast they run to the car in the parking lot. [the other door ] How many ions are in the parking lot determines the conductivity, which oddly enough, controls how hot the fire in the bar is...like, the more people that drive away, the more people want to get out of the bar faster, so if the current isn't limited you get Run Away with more and more smashed together people pouring out of the door with ever increasing concentration around the door. [High concentration zone that exceeds solubility limits] The more ions packed into a given space, the more material there is close at hand to form bigger crystals or particles. All that is about just the ion emitting electrode..there is another one doing the same thing with anions. In the parking lot there is a game of hide and seek going on where each hide from each other behind water molecules [hydration] When the numbers of ions and anions exceed the places to hide, or find each other before they CAN hide, they will get together and have a particle party. Again. There more that haven't hidden yet, the more are close at hand to party with as a clique with no strong repulsive [ionic] charge and the less likely they will be able to hide from each other. The only thing that prevents the cliques from having an orgy riot and falling out of the lot in a big ball is a weak Vandervalls force that the clique generates..a social aversion of groups of jeans and Ts in sneakers folks with panties as hats, to suits and ties folks wearing high heels and double D belts. Getting into the effects of water contaminants and you find reaction thresholds having to do with catalysts, thermal ranges, current ranges and you name it all mixed together...anything that can happen, will happen and not all contaminants will register on a meter..just get better water and take steps to not contaminate that. The other electrode has density quirks as well. If you keep the current down, the silver oxides that form there will stay on the electrode and only OH [-] anions will leave. Crank the current up and some of the Oxides leave in dense enough masses to exceed their solubility limits, forming an oxide particle around which silver can form a growing crystal in the water. Silver oxide has a depth of color according to its particle density ranging from yellow to brown to black...a pigment. As a crystal grows it will reach a refractive [?] size that shows a color as it absorbs ranges of light frequency as well. The first visible range is yellow, adding itself to the pigment of the oxide crystal nucleus. If the crystal grows even larger the color will shift toward violet or red or green as the thicker material around the nucleus hides the pigment from view. Hydrogen Peroxide scavenges the oxygen out of silver oxide, destroying the pigmentation and breaking apart whatever crystal that might be growing on it, reducing the size of the remaining chunks to below the light
Re: CSMoon phases
Ten or 12 years ago, nobody had a clue...nobody. The internet was still new and there was 3,000 pages of the same old thing on it. Now, there are millions of pages, mostly with the same old thing on them. People STILL just repeat the old ways claiming it to be Gospel just because it's old. Trem [silvergen] and I were the first [ that I know of] to consider that current had an effect. Me, from having been an electroplate technician [really, a kid with good eyeballs, a desire for a nice finish and a current dial I wasn't afraid to use ] and Trem from being an electronics whiz of sorts...don't know what sort, but he doesn't have to go to engineers to make something fly like I do. [Still just a kid with good eyeballs, a desire to make nice CS and a natural distrust of tradition ] We started playing with that idea about the same time, didn't have any idea the other existed and wound up at the same place with the parameters by sheer *cut and try* experimentation. There just wasn't anyone to ask. ... a lot of nope, that ain't it and a lot of what the heck is THIS.and what happens if I get manage to rid of it somehow. [then, what the heck is THAT and how do I get rid of it ] ..and still don't know much...and still no one to ask that really does. Lots of pieces, still puzzled. Like my Dad always used to say sometimes. Kid, we are all ex spurts [but some just stay on the sheet and occupy spots ] A professors job ... is to profess. [ A parrot can do that too. ] Ode At 10:03 AM 9/2/2008 +0930, you wrote: Righto, Ok, I get that Chuck but when these units were first, 'invented', if you like they were not current limited were they? Which is possibly why I have read about the 'optimum' voltage for our LV home units. Sorry, but maybe you could clear that up for me...Hang on...maybe it's simply that nowadays 'improvements' have been added to the units which is where current limiters have been introduced...would I be right there, or am I still up a creek? Hang in there, bare with me Neville. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: Re: CSMoon phases Not to push you over the edge, Neville, but you have to adjust your thinking a bit. It is indeed the current that determines your result, not the voltage. The voltage is the pressure needed to keep the current flowing. No voltage= no current. Way too much voltage = way too much current. Current limiting diode = proper current over a wide range of voltages. OR a feedback servo loop to do the same thing. Proper current ranges in the 1 to 4 milliamp range. (don't care what the voltage is). Chuck The human race is still in beta testing On 9/1/2008 7:08:58 PM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: Hi ode, If you will grant me the liberty of digressing briefly, I would just like to say something before going on. I find it rather remarkable that over the years I have been researching CS it was only yesterday, after re-reading some of the information I have collected and kept on 'file', I realised that there are a few names here that appear on the aforesaid material! I believe I have passed a comment or two before about 'weeding out the crap from what I believe is credible information' so I guess I am not far off the mark with regards to hype vs crap, if it is material which came from you people originally. That cheers me up a tad as I now know that I have the ability, and mindset, to suss out the crap from the credible. I realise you have probably heard similar comments, 'ad nauseum', but I just needed to state that if for no other reason other than as a mark of respect to those here who I haven't named. OK, Now...It was explained to me that if one uses a 'current limiter' then they will control, or alter, the amount of voltage available, or vary it if you like, and if this is so then one will not have the s No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM
CSRose Hips Questions
Someone gave me some rose hips. These are still green. Do they have to be more mature (ripe) in order to be useful as a food or vitamin source, or can they be harvested anytime? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMoon phases
Comments in-line: From: Neville[SMTP:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:18:03 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMoon phases Hi Sol, Hey, you've raised a couple of things here which is why I am starting to relax, settle down, and am becoming more confident and comfortable about this whole CS thing. Oh, and what I am about to say here is only from a personal perspective you understand. I have used both Distilled and Pure water, still do use both, and MOST times, I get a clear solution anywhere between 10 and 20ppm, (by way of example), no worries there, BUT...a week or so ago I made a batch, using the same equipment and process finishing up with a clear solution and at 11ppm, however, just 2 days ago I happened to open the cupboard and...low and behold...this batch has taken on a distinctive golden colour! WHAT THE...??? I have a 2 litre batch also which I made BEFORE this batch and at 17ppm and guess what...it is STILL clear!! I don't think the biggest or best brain on this planet, (or any other if it comes to that), will ever get this CS stuff totally sussed! *Not sure that the biggest brain on the planet really knows what sussed means... I have read articles and have had a couple of people on the net stating that the ppm will go UP initially before going down again after a stabilising period...in the 5-6 years I have been making CS I have NEVER had that happen, mine always drops by around 3-5ppm after 24 hours. This suggests to me that de-min water acts differently, I don't use it so I don't particularly care or want to know. *I came across a reference to this just recently. I believe it referred to a case in which continuous stirring was not used. Where continuous stirring was used, they did not see an increase in the conductance reading. It's these personal observations that lead me in a particular direction regarding my own assessments of the do's, dont's, rights, wrongs, water used, current controllers etc etc etc. I'm beginning to cut through all the scientific hoo's and har's of ICS and am just settling for what I believe is a good product I can produce in the home which will be of an equally good medicinal value. Reading the mountains of information available has been a learning experience for me but I am now starting to discard a lot of what I have researched and am only holding on to what I think is relevant to me in the making of ICS as produced in the home. Now, I have just got my brother in law interested in CS and he made a batch last week using demineralised water, and his went UP!! Now I am of the opinion that distilled water is NOT the same as demineralised water, (I have my own ideas on that), and the above examples, regarding ppm going up, proves to me that demineralised water will have a different effect as opposed to the other 2 waters mentioned. I don't need explanations as I don't use de-min water anyway so I am not particularly fussed. I just do what I do and occasionally I may hear something that is worthwhile hanging onto for future reference. This bloke is in the chemistry trade and I know he will do some lab testing on his own CS now, before he retires, so I will have more information. There is only one test I want him to do for me, (when he asks me to have some of mine done...nudge nudge wink wink), and that is rainwater. He did a test for me on that some time ago but I want another one done. The first one he did on a batch of rainwater using generator for 3 minutes came back as having a 40+ppm reading. I want that re-confirmed now. Before anyone climbs all over my back regarding rainwater, I use this to get a high ppm in a very short time frame for immediate use on any immediate issue which may have arisen, and will arise again sometime in the future no doubt, but I only use it for 5-7 days. My personal opinion is it's OK for short term. In an earlier post I stated that I was going to pick the brains of a nephew about current controllers etc but when he mentioned voltages being manipulated to accomodate them I stopped him from going further as I want a specific voltage to work with, not fluctuating just to accomodate a current limiter. I know there are explanations to go with this but that would be a whole other dialogue and I don't want to go there at the moment. *No wonder CS making is a mystery to you. This (current regulation) is basic, and not really difficult to understand if explained correctly. You have to be willing to listen though. Everyone has differing opinions, anecdotal evidence, methods and proceedures etc etc, which are to be understood and respected of course, but when I boil all this down it really is only about what I am happy with, which I can do in my own home, using my own simple equipment and that equipment being adequate but kept to a minimum, (if you get my
Re: CSCMO/Glucosamine with MSM
Hi, Ernie, All I can say is Yes, I used CMO, and MSM and glucosamine, along with ibuprofen and the hot pad and magnets on the knees for pain, and it all worked. I`m now pretty much pain free. I still hurt a bit after I drink milk, and I have a knee that hurts occasionally from an old injury, but by and large, I`m a new person! So is my 8 year old Pug, who I gave Cetyl M brand to for her arthritis, and now she can run! I didn`t keep any logs or anything, I just followed the directions. CMO doesn`t work immediately, it takes several months for the effects to be noticed. Apparently the CMO turns off the T cells, then the MSM and Glucosamine can work to heal the tissues. I hope this helps! Marshalee On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Ernie Patai yogawither...@rogers.comwrote: Hello listers, I have been here on and off for quite a few years and am truly grateful for all the support and help that many of you have put into this group to make it what it is. I have purchased quite a few CS generators, thanks to Ode's genius and simplicity to make great working and efficient machines. I get consistent results for the most part except for when I get lazy to clean my jar or the rods. Many of you have made the road that was less travelled a beaten path. J I have a request outside of the CS topic. I purchased Jarrow CMO and Nutraceutical glucosamine with chondroitin with MSM. Do any of you have personal experience and documented the usage of CMO and Glucosamine to recover from arthritis? I would like to know if anyone has kept a daily log with dosages and time line and the results that were obtained. Thanks so much; a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. *Ernie Patai * *416-633-2485* *yogawither...@rogers.com* *Good**Life FITNESS CLUBS*
Re: CSIon Speed
The average speed of ions is determined by two main factors. First the force on the ion, which is a product the voltage gradient, and the charge of the ion, divided by the weight of the ion gives it an acceleration rate. During this time of acceleration it goes from 0 average velocity (actually a low velocity in a random direction due to Browning movement) to an ever increasing velocity toward the other electrode. However before very long, it bumps into another molecule, losing much or all of it's inertia, and is back to the normal thermal movement. I believe the paper at http://books.google.com/books?id=MX68gp3KYCYCpg=PA262lpg=PA262dq=electrophoresis+velocitiessource=webots=fjQ7xylbiIsig=99i_iuIDNiqciABuKXnsLvz9Oo8hl=ensa=Xoi=book_resultresnum=1ct=result#PPA1,M1 covers this is depth but have not read but a few paragraphs since it is 260 or so pages long. Marshall Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Marshall, At 07:16 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote: The distance between the electrodes comes into play if there is sufficient time for the ions to travel to the other electrode during the cycle. I can visualize that, ... I think. Do you know the speed of the ions ? Trying to visualize if they flow smooth or hop and what all effects this. I do not know anything to compare this with. Maybe IP numbers and hop to hop. Seems they would not flow all the way in one smooth stretch. but would move in steps due to something. But likely I am thinking all wrong. Thanks for any comments or clarification. Wayne == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSabcessed gums
Also, if you take a mouthful of CS and add about 5 to 10% DMSO to it and swish it around the mouth for about 10 minutes, it will work wonders. Then spit it out. Ya, it tastes like crap, but you can get used to it (I'd rather swish with DMSO than H2O2). It really works, much better than CS alone, do it once or twice, or until you get the results you desire. Cured my gum disease. Dan -Original Message- From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSabcessed gums Kathy, my daughter had *terrible* gum abscesses and everytime they were cured with just holding CS in the mouth for as long as could be stood and then spitting out (and sometimes swallowing) Within a half an hour - usually - the abscess would burst, but always, after the initial pain of putting the CS in the mouth, the pain would go. I have always used it whenever I have got 'sensitive' teeth and it always works - my son too. dee Kathy wrote: It seems that I am having some dental problems, feels like a small abcess and a couple more places that are sensitive and just not right. I've started using a water pick to get CS into the gums and also just swishing CS in the mouth. has anyone fixed a gum problem doing this? Could I just be pushing gunk deeper into a pocket with a water pik? I'm not working at this time and don't have dental insurance so really don't want to go there TIA Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS40 ppm
My calculations show that you have about .85 ppm. (Less than 1 ppm.) This is using the Faraday Calculator sheet, and also using my Rule of Thumb calculation. They both agree. Dan -Original Message- From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS40 ppm Hallo Neville, Could you please say what sort of setup you had to make 40 + ppm in three minutes. Volts applied, area of silver, mA, batch size ? I habitually use rain water. 3 minutes in a cup from the tap, using 9v , 1 mA, area about 1sq. I calculated that at about 1 to 2 ppm. And that is fine for me. Its clear but with a tyndall light streak, slightly 'sandy' tasting and slightly bitter. OK, Tony On 1 Sep 2008 at 7:39, Neville wrote about : Subject : Re: CSmotor neurone disease Well, that's a coincidence Dee, I had a member of our family get 'shingles' a year or so ago and regardless of what anyone else says, I believe I fixed him fairly quickly. I would need to find my records of it somewhere to quote time and symptoms etc. I simply used rain water to get a 40+ppm in 3 minutes. He took around 16 ozs a day for 5-7 days from memory. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSthyroid meds and body temp
From: jessi...@optonline.net [mailto:jessi...@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:45 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSthyroid meds and body temp Nenah, I have know about the Broda Barnes test for years. Many people I know have body temps below 98.7 in the morning and even during the day after arising. However, if they take thyroid supplements in minor amounts, they lay awake all night, lose too much weight, can't tolerate heat, etc. This leads me to believe that the body temp test is not true for everyone. Recently a friend was using a green powder like Shultz's which has some seaweed. She ended up with Graves disease and it caused congestive heart failure. So it was serious while she was waiting for all the extra iodine to leave her body. Have you heard of problems like this before? Thanks, Jess Hi Jess. It's true that the body temp test is not infallible. Sometimes, near-normal temperatures may indicate an infection in someone who is hypothyroid. Also, intolerance to thyroid hormone may indicate toxicity in the body (including the thyroid gland). There's certainly such a thing as too much iodine-or too much of anything! Is your friend better now? Nenah
Re: CS40 ppm
sol wrote: I'd like to know what the uS of the rainwater was at the start of the 3 min brewing time? Neville? Most of that 40 ppm could have been contaminants in the water, possibly? sol Rainwater, if it has not picked up much contamination will primarily have dissolved carbon dioxide in it. This will produce some silver carbonate. Boiling it before brewing though will get rid of this. If there is lightning, or some types of smog, there will also be oxides of nitrogen. Measuring pH can give a good idea of how contaminated the water is with these substances since they are all acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS40 ppm
Neville wrote: Sol, Can't answer your first question as it was around 5-6 years ago and I had only just got into CS at the time when I had it tested, I know it was pretty high though, if I remember correctly it was around 48, but don't quote me on that as it's so long ago. I remember that batch though because the reading went down and not up during the process, that stunned me and that's why I remember it. The lab test stated that the 40 figure was silver but that would have been just the total silver content as I didn't know about correct That would be expected if the water contains nitric, nitrous and/or carbonic acid (that is has dissolved oxides of nitrogen, and carbon dioxide). When you use that with silver electrolysis, it becomes silver carbonate or silver nitrate, and since silver has lower mobility than the H part of the acids, the conductive will go down. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore Science Efforts to make CS, Maybe
OK...Here we go. The battery unit is just 27V, (the old stock standard 3x9' setup), connected to the two electrodes so I am assuming this would be a Constant Voltage unit. That's right isn't it? Nothing else in the circuitry. Here's something I find curious...when I connect a multimeter to the electrodes on my 24V mains power unit I get a reading of 30V... How can this be so? Why doesn't it read 24V as stated on the power adaptor? If it's complicated and/or lengthy at all, don't worry about it for now. ## When you load down a power supply [or a battery] the voltage goes lower with the current draw. [Like when you start your car, the load pulls the battery voltage down to around 8 volts and the ignition system runs on 6 volts with a resistor to drop unloaded battery voltage down and a bypass circuit for when you start it. ] The linear power supply is labeled to provide no lower than that voltage at the supplies max rated current draw. A regulated power supply will adjust the voltage to the draw. A 50 milliamp rated 24 volt AC out linear power supply actually puts out 81 volts peak to peak at no load. If you only load it at 2 milliamps, you can get much more than 24 volts out of it to rectify into DC, then pull down to around 36 volts so you don't blow up capacitors, chips and transistors, each of which drops voltage further till finally winding up with 28 volts on the electrodes to get the generator going faster...using a 24 volt wall wart. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSabscessed gums
Bob, Sorry to not reply last night but I was on my Blackberry and it isn't user friendly in providing links. Here is the link to Ryan Drum's article: http://www.ryandrum.com/Devilsclub.htm Here is an excerpt from the article: Chaparral contains over 600 medicinally active ingredients; some of these are extremely antimicrobial against both Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria. In one case, a 10-yr-old male presented with an abscessing lower molar; the gum was very swollen and tender. I used a strong (1:1) 50% alcohol extract of chaparral directly on the inflamed area at thirty minute intervals for 8 hours and then once every 4 hours. The swelling subsided at the end of eight hours and all signs of inflammation resolved in 48 hours. The inflammation did not recur. I was using both the strong anti-inflammatory and the antimicrobial activity of the Chaparral. I suspected that some coarse food particle(s) had lodged deep between the gum and the tooth and driven aerobic bacteria into an anaerobic growth phase. No initiating trauma was identified. If there had been less acute inflammation, I may have used a different botanical. I bought my chaparral powder from: http://www.herbalcom.com/ http://www.herbalcom.com/ I made a 50% alcohol extract (tincture) using vodka. To make a tincture, put the chaparral powder in a jar and add vodka to 0.5 inches higher than the chaparral. Store in a darkened place and wait 2 weeks, shaking the tincture once every day. At the end of the two weks just filter out the powder and you have it. - Steve From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSabscessed gums Steve, I'd be interested in the link to the herbalist for the chaparral. I have a cavity that needs filling as I type, so I'm a good candidate. Bob
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Nope, still backwards... Assuming distilled water The starting current will be almost nil. As silver starts to accumulate, the current will INCREASE as the process continues due to the silver increasing conductance in the water. It ramps up from near zero. The increase will continue 'till it reaches runaway, where it increases very rapidly. Even with current control, the starting current will be small until there's enough silver in the water to affect the conductance. It ramps up to the limit. Then the limiter will do it's thing and keep the current constant. Chuck Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? On 9/2/2008 3:02:05 AM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: OK people, by George I do believe I have finally got it. I have been digesting all of this while you were all making 'zeds' and now the light bulb has finally lit. If I understood electricity better I would have seen it earlier. Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production proceeds. What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter rating...that is the time to stop production. As I suggested to someone earlier, I'm sorry but I can't remember who so no offence meant, voltage is just the means to an end. This is what stumped me on the weekend... I hooked the amp meter on and the reading never stopped, it kept...damn, I am going to have to check that again, but I think it kept going down. Now I understand what is going on. I set everything up using tap water to get instant results, or readings if you like, and the reading was changing almost every second. I expected it to remain the same. AH HA!! If what I have stated here is correct then. ...I HAVE FINALLY GOT IT SUSSED! I didn't realise just how 'blunt' this knife was! No good me talking to a 'sparky' as it was all g No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 6:03 PM
Re: CSCMO/Glucosamine with MSM
Via another lady in Australia, I obtained a supply of EHP Myristin and Myrist-Aid, and also the cream. http://www.cetylmyristoleate.com/ I heard from her recently that she is better, though on the way through the protocol she ended up on crutches. She took the capsules faithfully three times a day as prescribed. She also took Milk Thistle as recommended. I am much improved, and probably about half way through the course. 45 minutes before meals rarely happens for me. I have to be content with taking them when I remember, whenever that happens to be, and as often as I remember. Ditto the cream. I will put some of that on when I remember where I put it after coming home from holiday. I finished off what Milk Thistle I had in the house, and after a gap of 3 weeks or so got another supply. If I remember, I take those twice a day. I do have arthritis, but my main reason for taking them is that I heard that fibromyalgia improves also. R Yes, I used CMO, and MSM and glucosamine, along with ibuprofen and the hot pad and magnets on the knees for pain, and it all worked. I`m now pretty much pain free. Marshalee Do any of you have personal experience and documented the usage of CMO and Glucosamine to recover from arthritis? I would like to know if anyone has kept a daily log with dosages and time line and the results that were obtained. Ernie Patai
RE: CSMoon phases..sun spots and glass, current and voltage ..high/low and no frequencies blah blah blah
Ode, Thanks for that tutorial. It's definitely a keeper. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:14 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMoon phases..sun spots and glass, current and voltage ..high/low and no frequencies blah blah blah To keep voltage constant, the current has to vary with conductivity. Voltage controls *how fast* ions move and there are no particles TO move..it's ALL Ions. Current controls *how many* Ions move. Particles play a role later as Ions and Anions find each other. The more of each in any given spot, the easier it is for one to find the other...concentration zone. The most dense zones possible are right at the surface of the electrodes, the Nernst Diffusion Layer. To keep particle sizes down, you want to limit the amount of available material to make particles out of. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCMO/Glucosamine with MSM
Hi Marshalee. Thank you so much for your feedback. Gives me something to go on!! Appreciated!! Ernie Patai 416-633-2485 yogawither...@rogers.com GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS _ From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:utahpug...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCMO/Glucosamine with MSM Hi, Ernie, All I can say is Yes, I used CMO, and MSM and glucosamine, along with ibuprofen and the hot pad and magnets on the knees for pain, and it all worked. I`m now pretty much pain free. I still hurt a bit after I drink milk, and I have a knee that hurts occasionally from an old injury, but by and large, I`m a new person! So is my 8 year old Pug, who I gave Cetyl M brand to for her arthritis, and now she can run! I didn`t keep any logs or anything, I just followed the directions. CMO doesn`t work immediately, it takes several months for the effects to be noticed. Apparently the CMO turns off the T cells, then the MSM and Glucosamine can work to heal the tissues. I hope this helps! Marshalee On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Ernie Patai yogawither...@rogers.com wrote: Hello listers, I have been here on and off for quite a few years and am truly grateful for all the support and help that many of you have put into this group to make it what it is. I have purchased quite a few CS generators, thanks to Ode's genius and simplicity to make great working and efficient machines. I get consistent results for the most part except for when I get lazy to clean my jar or the rods. Many of you have made the road that was less travelled a beaten path. :-) I have a request outside of the CS topic. I purchased Jarrow CMO and Nutraceutical glucosamine with chondroitin with MSM. Do any of you have personal experience and documented the usage of CMO and Glucosamine to recover from arthritis? I would like to know if anyone has kept a daily log with dosages and time line and the results that were obtained. Thanks so much; a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Ernie Patai 416-633-2485 yogawither...@rogers.com GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS
Re: slat/C, was Re: CSMotor Neuron Disease and German New Medicine
The lyme tests all suck by design. If they were accurate, there'd be big problems, everybody might figure out where they get it from. Look up Dr. Lida Mattman?? I think that's how to spell her name. She just died last week, she was in her 90's. She developed an accurate lyme test and was run out of business by good ol' uincle sam. She kept on fighting anyway, her work is still ongoing. You can look into Central Florida Research lab, for testing. They have one of the most accurate tests. Lyme, is a clinical dx anyway, it's diagnosed by symptoms. There aren't any tests for MS or Parkinsons either, people just accept the dx from the allopathic quacks. I have been on the salt/c protocol for over 2 years along with other various non-pharmaceutical adjuncts. Seems to be working out well for me. In March of 06, I could barely walk up a flight of stairs at sea level. This past March I went skiing in Colorado and had almost no problem hiking up 13,000 feet carrying my skis. I was starting to develope Parkinsons 2 and a half years ago, and had I followed the allopath I'd probably be in the same boat as Micael J Fox?? Who incidently was treated for lyme years before his Parkinson's dx was given. Kurt sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com wrote: They sure do have an awful lot of names for lyme disease, don't they? I think it was Richard?? that put up the origional thread. Might be a good idea to get on the salt/c protocol with a little MMS and some CS mixed in, what do you think? I'm seriously thinking of lyme. I'm on a fibromyalgia list and a lot of people there have been found to have chronic lyme after suffering for 20 or more years with typical fibro symptoms. I just read a post from a person on different fibro list who says over 50 list members with progressively worsening fibro symptoms were tested for lyme and found positive. But the tests are expensive, and often not conclusive, I've read some lyme tests have 50% false negatives. So I'm thinking of a trial of salt/C. If anyone here has done salt/C with success, I'd like to know how long to see any improvement in symptoms? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: slat/C, was Re: CSMotor Neuron Disease and German New Medicine
There is a scale up method that was developed at a group called lymestrategies, a yahoo group. You would start out at low doses,how much depends on your situation, how sick you are, body wieght, etc. It would depend on what other meds you are taking, as to when to take the salt/c. Kurt G Murray healthl...@gmail.com wrote: What is the amounts of Vitamin C and Salt regime? What are the quantities and are there certain times to take these compared with other Lyme meds? G Murray . sol wrote: kmilkow...@cfl.rr.com wrote: They sure do have an awful lot of names for lyme disease, don't they? I think it was Richard?? that put up the origional thread. Might be a good idea to get on the salt/c protocol with a little MMS and some CS mixed in, what do you think? I'm seriously thinking of lyme. I'm on a fibromyalgia list and a lot of people there have been found to have chronic lyme after suffering for 20 or more years with typical fibro symptoms. I just read a post from a person on different fibro list who says over 50 list members with progressively worsening fibro symptoms were tested for lyme and found positive. But the tests are expensive, and often not conclusive, I've read some lyme tests have 50% false negatives. So I'm thinking of a trial of salt/C. If anyone here has done salt/C with success, I'd like to know how long to see any improvement in symptoms? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMoon phases..sun spots and glass, current and voltage ..high/low and no frequencies blah blah blah
Wow! I really, really wish I could understand all this clever stuff! I'm afraid I will never be able to unfortunately, and although I know it doesn't really matter, it bugs me that I can't! dee Ode Coyote wrote: To keep voltage constant, the current has to vary with conductivity. Voltage controls *how fast* ions move and there are no particles TO move..it's ALL Ions. Current controls *how many* Ions move. Particles play a role later as Ions and Anions find each other. The more of each in any given spot, the easier it is for one to find the other...concentration zone. The most dense zones possible are right at the surface of the electrodes, the Nernst Diffusion Layer. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOne Mistake, maybe more, Who Me ?
Evening Chuck, At 11:05 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: Nope, still backwards... I think I had it backwards too, in one statement I made. I had been up all one night, my mind was spinning around like a hurricane, and some of it might have gotten blow away. I can't even belive I said what I did, but often I think one thing, and my fingers and keyboard say something else. I am a lousy writer at times. Hopefully I did not help lead Neville Astray. I depend on you, Dan, Ode, Marshall and others to set the record straight. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections?
Paula, my MCS is exactly that; and i can't deal with supplements either. unless i take them infrequently. if i could take all the great stuff that is rec. by Teitelbaum and others, i prob. wouldn't be this sick. however...taking them is severe punishment. including antiyeast stuff. so my task is to figure out how to kill what's infesting me without killing ME, no easy task. most docs think i am making myself this sick, and who am i to contest that. it's a tricky tightrope to navigate. sorry to be such a wet blanket. and thanks for your thoughts. sara - Original Message - From: Paula Perry To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections? Sara, If you have been taking antibiotics for an extended period like you say, then you probably have developed a yeast problem. Systemic Candida does cause increased sensitivities. You might need to look into taking probiotics for an extended period of time. Also, often Thyroid and Adrenal problems are intertwined. If your Adrenals are not functioning properly or weak you won't be able to handle more Thyroid supplement even if your Thyroid is hypo. That is the problem that I had. You really need a doctor that understands natural medicine. You can't fix some of this stuff with drugs (in my opinion). You might get the book by Dr. Tittlebaum,- Fatigued to Fantastic. He talks about a lot of your issues. I took his supplement for Adrenals and it helped me a lot. Paula - Original Message - From: Sara To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections? Greetings all, brand new member, with some big questions. i have severe MCS, probably lyme disease or any number of infection issues that cause fibromyalgia and other physical issues. was on Marshall Protocol for a year (basically antibiotics plus some twists) and killed some bugs judging by Herx reactions (die-off). MCS is characterized by very slow detox by the liver etc. So herxing is a lot harder. Now that i am off the MP, getting back to normal, having a MAJOR flare of body pain, and more sensitivities to the water and basic food items, such as vegetable oils. i desperately want to know about people's use of CS for stuff like this, and any issues with sensitivities too. i don't have normal allergies, and react to every drug or nutrient or supplement when used repeatedly. thank you very much! sara
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. but i have been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for years, including clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. could be they fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the ocean tends to really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and possibly iodine. anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best for me hurts me so much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in concentrations that even insects can deal with. it's what i call a sci-fi illness. sara - Original Message - From: Peter Converse To: Sara ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections Hi Sara, If you can handle a daily intake of 3 tbsps. of virgin organic coconut oil/day, ( http://www.tropicaltraditions.com is the site, I think, for the best VOC oil I have ever used) this has helped many people with hypothyroidism. Glandular extracts are another option. Getting any flouride out of your diet and replacing with another mineral ending in ide can help restore the thyroid. Armor Thyroid is another option. Killing the bugs and deoxifying the contaminants that initiate the endocrine dysfunction may, in time, lead to a normalization of thyroid, pituitary, hypothalamus and adrenal glands. A balanced amino acid formula to address any deficiencies may be a helpful adjunct for a while. Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: Sara To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:17 AM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections Thanks to all for responding! i am indeed very sensitive to iodine. i took compounded synthroid for a few months and it really helped, but i became too sensitive to it to continue. i look forward to more thoughts on these things. sara - Original Message - From: Dee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections what about supplementing with iodine, which is what I did with great success. Unless you are allergic of course. dee Sara, Many problems—more than one might think, including allergies—are caused or exacerbated by an under-functioning thyroid. Mark Starr’s book, Hypothyroidism Type 2: the Epidemic explores this in detail. It’s about more than just killing bugs, even though that of course is important. Low thyroid function can cause fibromyalgia. People with Lyme tend to have low thyroid function. And MCS, from over-exposure to toxins, can knock out the thyroid gland (which in turn will create more MCS). It’s all intertwined. Dr. Broda Barnes’s hypothyroid test is simple: Take your armpit temperature every morning, for one to two weeks before rising from your bed. If your temperature averages lower than 97.8ºF, you need thyroid supplementation. Desiccated thyroid hormone supplement works much better than the synthetic thyroxin. Best, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections?
Sara, I am going to suggest that you join the iod...@yahoogroups.com and tell your story to the list owner Stephanie (she is working on finishing her ND) and see if she could suggest an iodine based protocol, which could be used in conjunction with CS. Kind regards, Craig *Paula,* ** *my MCS is exactly that; and i can't deal with supplements either. unless i take them infrequently. if i could take all the great stuff that is rec. by Teitelbaum and others, i prob. wouldn't be this sick. however...taking them is severe punishment. including antiyeast stuff. so my task is to figure out how to kill what's infesting me without killing ME, no easy task. most docs think i am making myself this sick, and who am i to contest that. it's a tricky tightrope to navigate. sorry to be such a wet blanket. and thanks for your thoughts.* ** *sara* -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections?
Sara wrote: *Greetings all,* ** *brand new member, with some big questions. i have severe MCS, probably lyme disease or any number of infection issues that cause fibromyalgia and other physical issues. was on Marshall Protocol for a year (basically antibiotics plus some twists) and killed some bugs judging by Herx reactions (die-off). MCS is characterized by very slow detox by the liver etc. So herxing is a lot harder.* ** *Now that i am off the MP, getting back to normal, having a MAJOR flare of body pain, and more sensitivities to the water and basic food items, such as vegetable oils.* ** *i desperately want to know about people's use of CS for stuff like this, and any issues with sensitivities too. i don't have normal allergies, and react to every drug or nutrient or supplement when used repeatedly.* *thank you very much!* *sara* I would try the Beck protocol, Colloidal Silver, Ozonated Water, Zapper or blood electrification and Magnetic Pulsing. There should not be an allergic reaction to any of these, but they can certainly cause Herx reactions from die off. I might also try MMS, but I am still not totally convinced on that one yet. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
Thanks Sol. one comment i have is that it's quite interesting as to why i might have reacted to the thyroid supplement. it was a long time ago, can't recall much symptom-wise. but i did subsequently have months of wonderful energy while an ND in Tucson was doing Neural Therapy on me...helping my thyroid and adrenals with no invasive drugs or chemicals at all. looking back on that time i realize how much energy i felt (this was 8 yrs ago). now back in north florida i need to go see the one doc within a couple hours' drive who might be able to do it. another comment is that i have worked with compounding pharmacies in various cities for many years. if you speak intelligently to the pharmacist, and it's a really high quality place, it is very likely you will find out everything in the medication they are making. one spot that's still tough is how to ask the manufacturer of the chemical (any generic drug is compoundable) exactly what they have put in there, but the pharmacists usually swear that they have all the ingredients in a list right there. i never buy compounded stuff that isn't made directly for me. i would not trust what they put in it. so you are right in that if that's what you are talking about. i have discovered that they do put surprise stuff in things such as pH balancers, or anti-burn chemicals in B12 injections, without telling. sara - Original Message - From: sol To: sce2...@windstream.net Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections I think iodine is one reason I have trouble with armour type dessicated thyroids. T4, the inactive storage hormone, converts to T3 the active thyroid hormone by loss of an iodine atom. Which leaves a bunch of free iodine running around. Last time I tried switching from T3 only to a dessicated thyroid, I began to get very itchy. Of course, T3 also converts to T2 and T1, losing another iodine atom with each conversion, but I don't know how much free iodine those conversions produce, the major conversion is the first one, from T4 to T3. I think a T4 only med would cause me even more trouble than armour. Your compounded T4 could also have contained additional iodine containing ingredients in addition to the thyroid hormone itself. I'm very wary of compounded anything, unless I can find out every single component ingredient. Rx and OTC products usually must state what is in them, but compounded products don't have to so far as I can find out. sol Sara wrote: *Thanks to all for responding! i am indeed very sensitive to iodine. i took compounded synthroid for a few months and it really helped, but i became too sensitive to it to continue.* ** *i look forward to more thoughts on these things.* **
RE: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
Sara, I know a few other people with exquisite sensitivities. Toxins in the body can prevent anything from working correctly. I'm wondering, have you thought of or tried sauna therapy? Sweating is one of the best ways to eliminate toxins. Nenah www.nenahsylver.com http://www.nenahsylver.com/ author, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy _ From: Sara [mailto:sce2...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:28 PM To: silver list Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. but i have been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for years, including clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. could be they fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the ocean tends to really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and possibly iodine. anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best for me hurts me so much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in concentrations that even insects can deal with. it's what i call a sci-fi illness. sara
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Morning Chuck Yep, I can immediately see from that that I have it about face. I am always working the two together, ie; voltage and current, and maybe this is where I am getting into strife. From information all of you have given me here I am thinking I should leave the voltage out of the equation for the moment and just concentrate on current, (voltage will always be there as the driving force). Perhaps I am mistakenly always thinking of the two working simultaneously together when I should not be, perhaps I should be thinking of the two as totally seperate entities, ie; A affects B and then B affects A and so on visa versa, when I should just let A, [voltage], do its own thing and mainly concentrate on controlling B, [current]. The voltage is simply the 'motor' which drives everything and it is the 'peripherals', in this case current, which is the main thing to concentrate on. Get what I mean? like a car, the motor does the driving, [voltage], but the transmission, uphill and downhill gradients, [conductivity in water, current variables resulting from conductivity], will have an effect on the over-all performance of the car, [particle size, ions, quantity of each/both etc produced]. I think I concentrate too much on working them both together in my head when I should seperate them, ie; it's the current that is the major factor and dictates the voltage used. Having trouble explaining here but I think I see where I am going wrong. Voltage is always there, regardless, but the current needs to be controlled, which may alter the voltage at the electrodes as a consequence, to allow, (or control), the unit to produce the desired results. Would that be a fair assumption? Neville. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:35 AM Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. Nope, still backwards... Assuming distilled water The starting current will be almost nil. As silver starts to accumulate, the current will INCREASE as the process continues due to the silver increasing conductance in the water. It ramps up from near zero. The increase will continue 'till it reaches runaway, where it increases very rapidly. Even with current control, the starting current will be small until there's enough silver in the water to affect the conductance. It ramps up to the limit. Then the limiter will do it's thing and keep the current constant. Chuck Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? On 9/2/2008 3:02:05 AM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: OK people, by George I do believe I have finally got it. I have been digesting all of this while you were all making 'zeds' and now the light bulb has finally lit. If I understood electricity better I would have seen it earlier. Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production proceeds. What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter rating...that is the time to stop production. As I suggested to someone earlier, I'm sorry but I can't remember who so no offence meant, voltage is just the means to an end. This is what stumped me on the weekend... I hooked the amp meter on and the reading never stopped, it kept...damn, I am going to have to check that again, but I think it kept going down. Now I understand what is going on. I set everything up using tap water to get instant results, or readings if you like, and the reading was changing almost every second. I expected it to remain the same. AH HA!! If what I have stated here is correct then. ...I HAVE FINALLY GOT IT SUSSED! I didn't realise just how 'blunt' this knife was! No good me talking to a 'sparky' as it was all g No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 6:03 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
the formula is called Ohm's Law. E=IR where E=voltage I=current R=resistance so then, I=E/R or R=E/I meditate on that for awhile until you see the relationships as you leave one factor constant and change another ... it should fall into clarity. try writing out some sentences that states what's going on: if the voltage is fixed, then raising the resistance (decreasing the conductivity) decreases current flow. for a given resistance, raising voltage increases current and vice versa. and like that. -Original Message- From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. Morning Chuck Yep, I can immediately see from that that I have it about face. I am always working the two together, ie; voltage and current, and maybe this is where I am getting into strife. From information all of you have given me here I am thinking I should leave the voltage out of the equation for the moment and just concentrate on current, (voltage will always be there as the driving force). Perhaps I am mistakenly always thinking of the two working simultaneously together when I should not be, perhaps I should be thinking of the two as totally seperate entities, ie; A affects B and then B affects A and so on visa versa, when I should just let A, [voltage], do its own thing and mainly concentrate on controlling B, [current]. The voltage is simply the 'motor' which drives everything and it is the 'peripherals', in this case current, which is the main thing to concentrate on. Get what I mean? like a car, the motor does the driving, [voltage], but the transmission, uphill and downhill gradients, [conductivity in water, current variables resulting from conductivity], will have an effect on the over-all performance of the car, [particle size, ions, quantity of each/both etc produced]. I think I concentrate too much on working them both together in my head when I should seperate them, ie; it's the current that is the major factor and dictates the voltage used. Having trouble explaining here but I think I see where I am going wrong. Voltage is always there, regardless, but the current needs to be controlled, which may alter the voltage at the electrodes as a consequence, to allow, (or control), the unit to produce the desired results. Would that be a fair assumption? Neville. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:35 AM Subject: Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS. Nope, still backwards... Assuming distilled water The starting current will be almost nil. As silver starts to accumulate, the current will INCREASE as the process continues due to the silver increasing conductance in the water. It ramps up from near zero. The increase will continue 'till it reaches runaway, where it increases very rapidly. Even with current control, the starting current will be small until there's enough silver in the water to affect the conductance. It ramps up to the limit. Then the limiter will do it's thing and keep the current constant. Chuck Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? On 9/2/2008 3:02:05 AM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: OK people, by George I do believe I have finally got it. I have been digesting all of this while you were all making 'zeds' and now the light bulb has finally lit. If I understood electricity better I would have seen it earlier. Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production proceeds. What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter rating...that is the time to stop production. As I suggested to someone earlier, I'm sorry but I can't remember who so no offence meant, voltage is just the means to an end. This is what stumped me on the weekend... I hooked the amp meter on and the reading never stopped, it kept...damn, I am going to have to check that again, but I think it kept going down. Now I understand what is going on. I set everything up using tap water to get instant results, or readings if you like, and the reading was changing almost every second. I expected it to remain the same. AH HA!! If what I have stated here is correct then. ...I HAVE FINALLY GOT IT SUSSED! I didn't realise just how 'blunt' this knife was! No good me talking to a 'sparky' as it was all g -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 6:03 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to:
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
On 9/2/2008 8:28:08 PM, Neville (nevillem...@bigpond.com) wrote: I think I concentrate too much on working them both together in my head when I should seperate them, ie; it's the current that is the major factor and dictates the voltage used. Having trouble explaining here but I think I see where I am going wrong. Voltage is always there, regardless, but the current needs to be controlled, which may alter the voltage at the electrodes as a consequence, to allow, (or control), the unit to produce the desired results. Would that be a fair assumption? Close enuff for gummn't work! Chuck If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 6:03 PM
Re: CSMoon phases..sun spots and glass, current and voltage ..high/low and no frequencies blah blah blah
SNAP!! - Original Message - From: dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:32 AM Subject: Re: CSMoon phases..sun spots and glass, current and voltage ..high/low and no frequencies blah blah blah Wow! I really, really wish I could understand all this clever stuff! I'm afraid I will never be able to unfortunately, and although I know it doesn't really matter, it bugs me that I can't! dee Ode Coyote wrote: To keep voltage constant, the current has to vary with conductivity. Voltage controls *how fast* ions move and there are no particles TO move..it's ALL Ions. Current controls *how many* Ions move. Particles play a role later as Ions and Anions find each other. The more of each in any given spot, the easier it is for one to find the other...concentration zone. The most dense zones possible are right at the surface of the electrodes, the Nernst Diffusion Layer. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOne Mistake, maybe more, Who Me ?
This doesn't sound promising! lol. I can make a fool out of myself without any assistance thanks! :-) - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:29 AM Subject: CSOne Mistake, maybe more, Who Me ? Evening Chuck, At 11:05 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote: Nope, still backwards... I think I had it backwards too, in one statement I made. I had been up all one night, my mind was spinning around like a hurricane, and some of it might have gotten blow away. I can't even belive I said what I did, but often I think one thing, and my fingers and keyboard say something else. I am a lousy writer at times. Hopefully I did not help lead Neville Astray. I depend on you, Dan, Ode, Marshall and others to set the record straight. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMoon phases
- Original Message - From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:36 PM Subject: Re: CSMoon phases Comments in-line: From: Neville[SMTP:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:18:03 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMoon phases I am thinking that Demineralised water is not the way to go, (contrary to some articles I have read), and this may have been the water used in the said articles. I know how Distilled water is made, (condensation), but I think Demin water goes through a filter setup or something which removes the minerals, I don't think it removes TDS either, but of course I stand to be corrected on that. If this is right then it's the lack of minerals, I suspect, that results in this seemingly opposite reading under the electrolysis process. I believe there are minimal minerals in anything we ingest, due to todays agricultural processes and methods, so to me I would prefer the minerals left in the water, (they would all be in ionic or soluble form anyway, as everything in life is), regardless of the resultant actions as a consequence of this which may take place in the electrolysis process. Neville. [I came across a reference to this just recently. I believe it referred to a case in which continuous stirring was not used. Where continuous stirring was used, they did not see an increase in the conductance reading.] I have read articles and have had a couple of people on the net stating that the ppm will go UP initially before going down again after a stabilising period...in the 5-6 years I have been making CS I have NEVER had that happen, mine always drops by around 3-5ppm after 24 hours. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCMO/Glucosamine with MSM
For my arthritic hip, so bad that supposedly I'll need it replaced, CMO has been miraculous. I took one 'course' of it about 18 months ago. Then around June of this yr, the hip started acting up again, so I got another bottle. Like Rowena, I was very casual about taking the 2nd bottle, usually 3 caps late in the evening. Halfway through the bottle, I forgot I had a hip! But, I'm dealing with a nasty case of fibromyalgia, and the CMO has done nothing for that--unfortunately. Sharon - Original Message - From: Rowena To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Re: CSCMO/Glucosamine with MSM Via another lady in Australia, I obtained a supply of EHP Myristin and Myrist-Aid, and also the cream. http://www.cetylmyristoleate.com/ I heard from her recently that she is better, though on the way through the protocol she ended up on crutches. She took the capsules faithfully three times a day as prescribed. She also took Milk Thistle as recommended. I am much improved, and probably about half way through the course. 45 minutes before meals rarely happens for me. I have to be content with taking them when I remember, whenever that happens to be, and as often as I remember. Ditto the cream. I will put some of that on when I remember where I put it after coming home from holiday. I finished off what Milk Thistle I had in the house, and after a gap of 3 weeks or so got another supply. If I remember, I take those twice a day. I do have arthritis, but my main reason for taking them is that I heard that fibromyalgia improves also. R Yes, I used CMO, and MSM and glucosamine, along with ibuprofen and the hot pad and magnets on the knees for pain, and it all worked. I`m now pretty much pain free. Marshalee Do any of you have personal experience and documented the usage of CMO and Glucosamine to recover from arthritis? I would like to know if anyone has kept a daily log with dosages and time line and the results that were obtained. Ernie Patai
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
sara, One possibility is that your body's immune system is hyperactive, attacking anything it deems foreign. The reasons for this could be many and varied, from toxic metals, virus, foreign proteins (from vaccines) etc. You might try a course of MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) for a month or so. MMS is a 28% solution of sodium chlorite... you then mix with an acid such as vinegar, lemon or lime juice, or citric acid to make chlorine dioxide. It it this substance that can neutralize any foreign matter, chemical, metal, virus, bacteria, amoeba, or parasite in your body. It does this through oxidation, one of the most potant reactions known to man. Start by taking just one drop in 4oz's of water and work your way up to say 15 drops two or three times daily, or until you feel better. Go to mmsdr.com for more info. Good luck! Bob - Original Message - From: Sara To: silver list Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. but i have been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for years, including clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. could be they fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the ocean tends to really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and possibly iodine. anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best for me hurts me so much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in concentrations that even insects can deal with. it's what i call a sci-fi illness. sara - Original Message - From: Peter Converse To: Sara ; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections Hi Sara, If you can handle a daily intake of 3 tbsps. of virgin organic coconut oil/day, ( http://www.tropicaltraditions.com is the site, I think, for the best VOC oil I have ever used) this has helped many people with hypothyroidism. Glandular extracts are another option. Getting any flouride out of your diet and replacing with another mineral ending in ide can help restore the thyroid. Armor Thyroid is another option. Killing the bugs and deoxifying the contaminants that initiate the endocrine dysfunction may, in time, lead to a normalization of thyroid, pituitary, hypothalamus and adrenal glands. A balanced amino acid formula to address any deficiencies may be a helpful adjunct for a while. Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: Sara To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:17 AM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections Thanks to all for responding! i am indeed very sensitive to iodine. i took compounded synthroid for a few months and it really helped, but i became too sensitive to it to continue. i look forward to more thoughts on these things. sara - Original Message - From: Dee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections what about supplementing with iodine, which is what I did with great success. Unless you are allergic of course. dee Sara, Many problems—more than one might think, including allergies—are caused or exacerbated by an under-functioning thyroid. Mark Starr’s book, Hypothyroidism Type 2: the Epidemic explores this in detail. It’s about more than just killing bugs, even though that of course is important. Low thyroid function can cause fibromyalgia. People with Lyme tend to have low thyroid function. And MCS, from over-exposure to toxins, can knock out the thyroid gland (which in turn will create more MCS). It’s all intertwined. Dr. Broda Barnes’s hypothyroid test is simple: Take your armpit temperature every morning, for one to two weeks before rising from your bed. If your temperature averages lower than 97.8ºF, you need thyroid supplementation. Desiccated thyroid hormone supplement works much better than the synthetic thyroxin. Best, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
This is not unusual, actually. Organically grown clothing has less processing, and more allergens for many people- it can be really moldy. You just sound very very toxic. -Kathryn On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Sara wrote: I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. but i have been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for years, including clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. could be they fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the ocean tends to really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and possibly iodine. anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best for me hurts me so much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in concentrations that even insects can deal with. it's what i call a sci-fi illness. sara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity -sauna
Yes, Nenah thanks for mentioning it- it is the best way to start detoxing. I do not have a sauna, but I use hot baths with salt in the water to facilitate sweating. I always feel better (well, sometimes not, due to toxins released), and have been doing it for years. It is really important to make sure the sweat is wiped off or washed off right away, since the skin just sucks it back in. That is why I put salt in the water- to help the osmotic potential be on the right side for toxins exiting. Kathryn On Sep 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Nenah Sylver wrote: Sara, I know a few other people with exquisite sensitivities. Toxins in the body can prevent anything from working correctly. I’m wondering, have you thought of or tried sauna therapy? Sweating is one of the best ways to eliminate toxins. Nenah www.nenahsylver.com author, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy From: Sara [mailto:sce2...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:28 PM To: silver list Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. but i have been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for years, including clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. could be they fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the ocean tends to really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and possibly iodine. anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best for me hurts me so much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in concentrations that even insects can deal with. it's what i call a sci-fi illness. sara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections?
Yes that is the trick, killing it off without you too. I had to start the CS with just drops. I had herx reactions to about everything. Of course if you have invasive fungal or yeast, the antiyeast stuff would be murder. But there really is no way out of it- if that is the problem, it has to go, or you will. The key is getting a protocol that will reduce the infection slowly enough that your organs can excrete them without making you intolerably ill. Nenah's sauna idea is really good for that, since whatever we sweat out is not having to be processed by the organs. Even hot baths will help, or sitting in a hot car till you break a sweat. Kathryn On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Sara wrote: Paula, my MCS is exactly that; and i can't deal with supplements either. unless i take them infrequently. if i could take all the great stuff that is rec. by Teitelbaum and others, i prob. wouldn't be this sick. however...taking them is severe punishment. including antiyeast stuff. so my task is to figure out how to kill what's infesting me without killing ME, no easy task. most docs think i am making myself this sick, and who am i to contest that. it's a tricky tightrope to navigate. sorry to be such a wet blanket. and thanks for your thoughts. sara - Original Message -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSabscessed gums
Re: CSabscessed gumsHi Steve, Thanks so much for the info. By 0.5 in I assume you mean 1/2 inch above the chapparral, correct? Bob - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: RE: CSabscessed gums Bob, Sorry to not reply last night but I was on my Blackberry and it isn't user friendly in providing links. Here is the link to Ryan Drum's article: http://www.ryandrum.com/Devilsclub.htm Here is an excerpt from the article: Chaparral contains over 600 medicinally active ingredients; some of these are extremely antimicrobial against both Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria. In one case, a 10-yr-old male presented with an abscessing lower molar; the gum was very swollen and tender. I used a strong (1:1) 50% alcohol extract of chaparral directly on the inflamed area at thirty minute intervals for 8 hours and then once every 4 hours. The swelling subsided at the end of eight hours and all signs of inflammation resolved in 48 hours. The inflammation did not recur. I was using both the strong anti-inflammatory and the antimicrobial activity of the Chaparral. I suspected that some coarse food particle(s) had lodged deep between the gum and the tooth and driven aerobic bacteria into an anaerobic growth phase. No initiating trauma was identified. If there had been less acute inflammation, I may have used a different botanical. I bought my chaparral powder from: http://www.herbalcom.com/ I made a 50% alcohol extract (tincture) using vodka. To make a tincture, put the chaparral powder in a jar and add vodka to 0.5 inches higher than the chaparral. Store in a darkened place and wait 2 weeks, shaking the tincture once every day. At the end of the two weks just filter out the powder and you have it. - Steve -- From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSabscessed gums Steve, I'd be interested in the link to the herbalist for the chaparral. I have a cavity that needs filling as I type, so I'm a good candidate. Bob
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
Nenah, it's strange that saunas make me very sick within minutes, but i live in north florida, and between the hot sticky weather and hot flashes i sweat a whole lot sometimes, and never feel bad at all from it. FIR really hurts me instantly. i sure would like to sweat a lot, but am not sure how to go about it. sitting in hot water make me very dizzy quickly (as in a jacuzzi). am i really too toxic to detoxify? this is a major factor in my hesitation to use methods including CS that kill bacteria strongly. perhaps a new liver would be helpful. ;-) sara - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: RE: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections Sara, I know a few other people with exquisite sensitivities. Toxins in the body can prevent anything from working correctly. I'm wondering, have you thought of or tried sauna therapy? Sweating is one of the best ways to eliminate toxins. Nenah www.nenahsylver.com author, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy -- From: Sara [mailto:sce2...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:28 PM To: silver list Subject: Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections I really hesitate to be frank here, because it sounds so crazy. but i have been reacting very badly to anything organically grown for years, including clothing. i have some theories but don't really know why. could be they fertilize with fish source stuff, and anything from the ocean tends to really bother me, with heavy metals and pollutants and possibly iodine. anyway, it's ironic that the stuff that could be best for me hurts me so much. as a note, i seem to react to stuff in concentrations that even insects can deal with. it's what i call a sci-fi illness. sara
Re: CSabscessed gums
Yes. And do not forget to add ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) to the final tincture. - Steve - Original Message - From: bbanever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue Sep 02 22:28:13 2008 Subject: Re: CSabscessed gums Hi Steve, Thanks so much for the info. By 0.5 in I assume you mean 1/2 inch above the chapparral, correct? Bob - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: RE: CSabscessed gums Bob, Sorry to not reply last night but I was on my Blackberry and it isn't user friendly in providing links. Here is the link to Ryan Drum's article: http://www.ryandrum.com/Devilsclub.htm Here is an excerpt from the article: Chaparral contains over 600 medicinally active ingredients; some of these are extremely antimicrobial against both Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria. In one case, a 10-yr-old male presented with an abscessing lower molar; the gum was very swollen and tender. I used a strong (1:1) 50% alcohol extract of chaparral directly on the inflamed area at thirty minute intervals for 8 hours and then once every 4 hours. The swelling subsided at the end of eight hours and all signs of inflammation resolved in 48 hours. The inflammation did not recur. I was using both the strong anti-inflammatory and the antimicrobial activity of the Chaparral. I suspected that some coarse food particle(s) had lodged deep between the gum and the tooth and driven aerobic bacteria into an anaerobic growth phase. No initiating trauma was identified. If there had been less acute inflammation, I may have used a different botanical. I bought my chaparral powder from: http://www.herbalcom.com/ http://www.herbalcom.com/ I made a 50% alcohol extract (tincture) using vodka. To make a tincture, put the chaparral powder in a jar and add vodka to 0.5 inches higher than the chaparral. Store in a darkened place and wait 2 weeks, shaking the tincture once every day. At the end of the two weks just filter out the powder and you have it. - Steve From: bbanever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSabscessed gums Steve, I'd be interested in the link to the herbalist for the chaparral. I have a cavity that needs filling as I type, so I'm a good candidate. Bob
Re: CSOT multiple chemical sensitivity and infections
Hi Sarah, It sounds like you need to do some liver cleanses and be doing some liver support. G Murray Sara wrote: *Nenah,* ** *it's strange that saunas make me very sick within minutes, but i live in north florida, and between the hot sticky weather and hot flashes i sweat a whole lot sometimes, and never feel bad at all from it. FIR really hurts me instantly. i sure would like to sweat a lot, but am not sure how to go about it. sitting in hot water make me very dizzy quickly (as in a jacuzzi). am i really too toxic to detoxify? this is a major factor in my hesitation to use methods including CS that kill bacteria strongly. perhaps a new liver would be helpful. ;-)* ** *sara* -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
