CS>[List Owner] Silliness...

[M. G. Devour]

The whole silly micro-debate over wattage evolved from this simple mis-
statement by Sunny...

> Is that 2 watts an hour?   sounds great!

Trem had answered:
> 2 WATTS

Sunny previously asked:
>> Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might use. 
>> We are moving off grid ... getting a solar panel of 100 watts

All that was needed was to address her actual question:

Sunny,

There's no time involved with wattage. Something that draws 2 watts
from your solar panel will do so all the while it's connected. So if
you're adding up possible peak loads for your 100 watt collector, just
add the wattage figures for everything you might want to run AT THE
SAME TIME to get a *ROUGH* idea of if it will handle it.

Now, there is something called a watt-hour, which is probably where
your confusion came from. Watt-hours are the wattage rating of a device
times the number of hours you run it. A 100 watt load running for an
hour will consume a total of 100 watt-hours of energy. A 500 watt load
will use the same amount of total energy in only 1/5th of an hour, or
12 minutes... but it'd also try to pull more power all at once than
your 100 W collector can provide... so that doesn't work too well.

There is an easy way to fix the problem:

While you're studying all this, you should consider getting a separate
battery and some kind of charger-controller so you can store up some of
the power from the solar panel to use at night without running the risk
of depleting your RV cranking battery.

It also lets you handle higher peak loads -- like the aforementioned
500 watt blow-dryer?  -- without having to get a much bigger
solar panel, *and* let you run them when there's no sun.

If you're able to pull 100 watts from your panel over an average of 8
hours a day, you've got an "energy budget" of 8 hours x 100 watts or
800 watt hours. If you want to run a 500 watt load for an hour each
day, you'll see that you're going to use up 500 of your 800 available
watt-hours. Do-able, but maybe not sustainable? Then again, maybe
important enough, especially if the remaining 300 watt-hours will take
care of everything else you need.

It's not hard to learn how to figure this stuff out. Once you get the
hang of figuring out your energy budget and the difference between watt-
hours and watts, you'll be able to estimate these things in your head.

Trem's 2 watts is NOT a big worry for you, obviously!

You'll want most of your equipment to be 12 volt, but you're going to
need 110-volt AC for some things, at least occasionally. You'll need a
power inverter for this, and the size of load it can handle will be
limited by the battery, not by the collector.

There are lots of clever ways to hook things up, all of which will be
talked about in the RV community as well as among boaters. You'll still
want to be frugal, but you've got a lot more flexibility this way. The
lifestyle can be pretty pleasant.

Good luck

Mike D.

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Re: CS>storage question

[M. G. Devour]

John writes:
> Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If used
> for your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as
> possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet
> away fron light and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.

Bob Berger, sadly now deceased, was one of our long-time contributors. 
One of those contributions was his study of storage materials and 
methods. He concluded that one of the most cost-effective yet effective 
options was the PETE (recycling code 1) clear, hard plastic bottles 
used to deliver soda pop. 

Additionally, he and others here have, as a test, stored properly made 
CS (EIS) in clear bottles exposed to bright light and even direct 
sunlight, and seen no measurable degradation of the product over long 
periods of time.  

Let me address several obvious concerns by describing my own 
experience:

I have a 6-pack of bottles I bought probably 8 years ago now that I 
store most of my CS in. They originally contained spring water. I chose 
that option because people who tried to use soda pop bottles frequenly 
complained that it took a long time to completely get rid of the 
residual odor and flavoring from the beverage that would then taint 
their CS. You can just pour out the bottled water and rinse with 
distilled, and there will be no odor or flavor problems.

Now, there are the remaining concerns of plasticisers leaching into the 
stored CS and the plastic surface disrupting the silver content.

First off, PETE-1, as found in these beverage bottles, is about as good 
a plastic as you're going to find for this application. Perfect? NO! 
But it's one of the least contaminating formulations available at 
reasonable cost.

Now, John, someone like you, who has achieved a very high standard of 
cleanliness in their environment, may certainly choose not to use them, 
on principle if nothing else. That's fine. However, if you're still 
coping with far more gross sources of environmental toxins, as I am, it 
is nowhere near as urgent.

But there's more...

The first few times you put some silver in these bottles, some of it 
undoubtedly plates out on the inside. After a while, however, the 
surface seems to stabilize. These bottles have been in use, as I said, 
for years, and I have never made any effort to clean them out. I can 
say without doubt that the discoloration caused by the plated out 
silver does not change over time at this point, and that the product 
that comes out of them is the same as what went in days, weeks, and 
sometimes months before -- in terms of measured conductivity, taste, 
tyndall effect, and effectiveness.

That's not bulletproof evidence, but it's good enough for me.

I suspect that the stabilization of the surface also applies to 
plasticiser leaching, but I cannot address that in any meaningful way 
for the simple reason that there has been no noticeable smell or taste 
from this particular plastic at any time. 

Finally, on the matter of storage conditions: My CS sits on the desk in 
my office, exposed to artificial lighting and diffuse daylight. No 
noticeable problems result, in my experience.

Again, I won't stand in anybody's way that wants to be more cautious. 
In your case, John, keep using glass, since you've managed to get your 
environment sorted out so very well any such compromise would be silly 
on your part. Please realize, though, that judicious use of the right 
plastic can be *enough* better than the worst case that it is a 
practical option, depending on individual circumstances. If that makes 
it easier for somebody to get started and keep making CS, then it's a 
reasonable trade.

I think it's a question of not letting the perfect be an obstacle to 
the good.

Thanks for your input, sir. You're experiences and protocols are an 
inspiration and there's a lot we can learn from you.

Peace,

Mike D.
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Re: CS>storage question

[M. G. Devour]

> Heya Mike:)
> 
> It's good to hear from you:)
> 
> Errr, what's wrong with regular old fashioned pint 
> size, and quart size, glass canning jars? They're 
> cheap too.

You're right, of course, Annie. The only drawback I ever saw in them 
was the tendency of the lids to eventually rust on the inside.

My home-made generator sits on a quart mason jar as we speak! 

I like the plastic bottles for storage since they're light weight and 
won't break. They travel well.

Mike D.

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CS>CS Has Been Banned - No it hasn't.

[Alchemysa]

Calm down folks. Steve Barwick/Spencer Jones (same guy) is not a  
reliable source of news about CS. He writes a lot of scaremongering  
rubbish, probably with the aim of boosting sales of his second rate  
generators.  Europe hasn't banned the sale of colloidal silver  
although thats what Barwick/Jones wants you to believe. They have  
just banned anyone from making the claim that CS is a nutritional  
supplement. Big deal. A similar thing happened in the US and  
Australia years ago when they banned companies from making all sorts  
of unsubstantiated claims about CS. Put simply they are just banning  
misleading advertising - and thats fair enough.


Barwick/Jones website is full of junk science, and outright BS. He  
claims his totally ordinary generator is the 'worlds finest' and is  
the 'most popular', 'biggest selling' generator in the world. I'd  
like to know how he works that out. I'm sure Ode and Trem don't send  
him their sales figures.  Frankly its stomach turning to read some of  
the crap barwick/Jones writes. He suggests the recently famous blue  
man Paul Karosan might not really have argyria, because he's more of  
a blue colour than grey!


David





From: Annie B Smythe 
Date: 13 January 2010 7:37:47 PM
To: CS List 
Subject: CS>Colloidal Silver Has Been Banned Throughout Europe!


Wow, this is kinda scary!

http://colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/2010/01/colloidal-silver- 
has-been-banned.html







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Re: CS>CS Has Been Banned - No it hasn't.

[Annie B Smythe]

Oh Thank Heavens! I've never seen a report on his 
reliability. Thank you. So now I know to discount 
much of what he says.


Annie
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and 
not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign 
hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)



Alchemysa wrote:
Calm down folks. Steve Barwick/Spencer Jones (same guy) is not a 
reliable source of news about CS. He writes a lot of scaremongering 
rubbish, probably with the aim of boosting sales of his second rate 
generators.  Europe hasn't banned the sale of colloidal silver although 
thats what Barwick/Jones wants you to believe. They have just banned 
anyone from making the claim that CS is a nutritional supplement. Big 
deal. A similar thing happened in the US and Australia years ago when 
they banned companies from making all sorts of unsubstantiated claims 
about CS. Put simply they are just banning misleading advertising - and 
thats fair enough.


Barwick/Jones website is full of junk science, and outright BS. He 
claims his totally ordinary generator is the 'worlds finest' and is the 
'most popular', 'biggest selling' generator in the world. I'd like to 
know how he works that out. I'm sure Ode and Trem don't send him their 
sales figures.  Frankly its stomach turning to read some of the crap 
barwick/Jones writes. He suggests the recently famous blue man Paul 
Karosan might not really have argyria, because he's more of a blue 
colour than grey!


David





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Re: CS>storage question

[Annie B Smythe]

Heya Mike:)

It's good to hear from you:)

Errr, what's wrong with regular old fashioned pint 
size, and quart size, glass canning jars? They're 
cheap too.


Annie
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and 
not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign 
hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)



M. G. Devour wrote:

John writes:

Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If used
for your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as
possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet
away fron light and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.


Bob Berger, sadly now deceased, was one of our long-time contributors. 
One of those contributions was his study of storage materials and 
methods. He concluded that one of the most cost-effective yet effective 
options was the PETE (recycling code 1) clear, hard plastic bottles 
used to deliver soda pop. 

Additionally, he and others here have, as a test, stored properly made 
CS (EIS) in clear bottles exposed to bright light and even direct 
sunlight, and seen no measurable degradation of the product over long 
periods of time.  

Let me address several obvious concerns by describing my own 
experience:


I have a 6-pack of bottles I bought probably 8 years ago now that I 
store most of my CS in. They originally contained spring water. I chose 
that option because people who tried to use soda pop bottles frequenly 
complained that it took a long time to completely get rid of the 
residual odor and flavoring from the beverage that would then taint 
their CS. You can just pour out the bottled water and rinse with 
distilled, and there will be no odor or flavor problems.


Now, there are the remaining concerns of plasticisers leaching into the 
stored CS and the plastic surface disrupting the silver content.


First off, PETE-1, as found in these beverage bottles, is about as good 
a plastic as you're going to find for this application. Perfect? NO! 
But it's one of the least contaminating formulations available at 
reasonable cost.


Now, John, someone like you, who has achieved a very high standard of 
cleanliness in their environment, may certainly choose not to use them, 
on principle if nothing else. That's fine. However, if you're still 
coping with far more gross sources of environmental toxins, as I am, it 
is nowhere near as urgent.


But there's more...

The first few times you put some silver in these bottles, some of it 
undoubtedly plates out on the inside. After a while, however, the 
surface seems to stabilize. These bottles have been in use, as I said, 
for years, and I have never made any effort to clean them out. I can 
say without doubt that the discoloration caused by the plated out 
silver does not change over time at this point, and that the product 
that comes out of them is the same as what went in days, weeks, and 
sometimes months before -- in terms of measured conductivity, taste, 
tyndall effect, and effectiveness.


That's not bulletproof evidence, but it's good enough for me.

I suspect that the stabilization of the surface also applies to 
plasticiser leaching, but I cannot address that in any meaningful way 
for the simple reason that there has been no noticeable smell or taste 
from this particular plastic at any time. 

Finally, on the matter of storage conditions: My CS sits on the desk in 
my office, exposed to artificial lighting and diffuse daylight. No 
noticeable problems result, in my experience.


Again, I won't stand in anybody's way that wants to be more cautious. 
In your case, John, keep using glass, since you've managed to get your 
environment sorted out so very well any such compromise would be silly 
on your part. Please realize, though, that judicious use of the right 
plastic can be *enough* better than the worst case that it is a 
practical option, depending on individual circumstances. If that makes 
it easier for somebody to get started and keep making CS, then it's a 
reasonable trade.


I think it's a question of not letting the perfect be an obstacle to 
the good.


Thanks for your input, sir. You're experiences and protocols are an 
inspiration and there's a lot we can learn from you.


Peace,

Mike D.
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[mdev...@eskimo.com]
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Re: CS>CS and sense of smell- losing it

[Ode Coyote]

  Never has for menor have I heard of it before.

Ode


At 09:45 AM 1/13/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Several of my family have been battling bronchitis for the last week or 
so. My husband put some CS in a teaspoon, and inhaled it.
He did this maybe 4 times over the last few days, and now says he cannot 
smell anything--  even the chlorine type smell of MMS,
or fragrance oils straight from the bottle.  (I am a soapmaker, so have 
lots of that around.)


He had recently read that the use of ZICAM, a zinc-based OTC product that 
you used by swabbing in the nasal passages, caused

loss of sense of smell.

Will sniffing CS into the nasal passages do the same thing?

Beth H

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CS>A Layman's Guide to Using Colloidal Silver

[Kathy Tankersley]

Someone on the list said they were new to CS, and ask if anyone had info on its 
use.  I found this article, which I think is good, so am forwarding it on. 
http://utopiasilver.com/laymansguide.htm

Re: CS>Where to buy CMO

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I read that chondroitin is too big a molecule to get through the tissues, and 
is an over-priced waste of money.  dee

On 13 Jan 2010, at 11:01, arthur rambo wrote:

> I  went through one bottle so far, of Jarrow True CMO, and have not 
> experienced any benefit so far. I am using Knox gelatin, condroitan, msm, vit 
> c etc to try and help heal my back; so far the best thing is using ice/heat 
> pads which apparently ease the inflamation. Jarrow claims that only animal 
> sources contain real CMO. 
> 
> From: Marshalee Hallett 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:36:01 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Where to buy CMO
> 
>  

RE: CS>A Layman's Guide to Using Colloidal Silver

[Neville Munn]

It is a good article, but the part in this article which discusses chloride in 
the blood and hydrochloric acid in the stomach rendering ionic silver inactive 
is still open to conjecture as far as I know as there was an hypothesis 
regarding ammonia in the body counteracting that to a degree put forward some 
time ago.  Unfortunately the entire discussion/debate is not available in the 
public domain so I don't know what conclusion was reached, and not being of 
scientific mind I haven't a clue. 


N.
 






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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:27:11 -0600
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A Layman's Guide to Using Colloidal Silver





Someone on the list said they were new to CS, and ask if anyone had info on its 
use.  I found this article, which I think is good, so am forwarding it on. 
http://utopiasilver.com/laymansguide.htm   
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Re: CS>storage question

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I'm sorry John, but this is so wrong!  If you are making stable EIS as most of 
us do on this list, then the silver will stay clear in plastic clear bottles 
for ever almost!  There is NO need to use glass OR amber bottles at all.  dee

On 13 Jan 2010, at 23:13, John E. Stevens wrote:

> Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If used for 
> your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as possible. 
>  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet away fron light 
> and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.
> 
> John
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee  wrote:
> I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady there 
> told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have read here 
> that it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just 
> long enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet?  Should 
> I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic for the last month?
> TIA,
> Teresa
> 

Re: CS>storage question

[John E. Stevens]

Dee:

I totally disagree with you.  Glass and preferably dark amber colored glass
is the only I will ever store my CSW.  I'm not interested in getting a
little estrogen from BPH (bephenols) from plastic containers.  I use no
plastic to store food in the fridge - only glass,  There is no safer way
than glass.

John

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I'm sorry John, but this is so wrong!  If you are making stable EIS as most
> of us do on this list, then the silver will stay clear in plastic clear
> bottles for ever almost!  There is NO need to use glass OR amber bottles at
> all.  dee
>
> On 13 Jan 2010, at 23:13, John E. Stevens wrote:
>
> Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If used for
> your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as
> possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet away
> fron light and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee wrote:
>
>>  I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady
>> there told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have read
>> here that it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store in
>> plastic just long enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's
>> feet?  Should I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic for the
>> last month?
>> TIA,
>> Teresa
>>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

But aren't these essential minerals?  dee


On 14 Jan 2010, at 02:24, Day Sutton wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Steve G  wrote:
> How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'  
>  
>  You are right not to believe anything you hear or read without doing your 
> own research. I have done some of it for you.  The rest is up to you.
>  
> 
> ts?
> 
> Stainless-steel is quite stable, but you need to remember that 
> stainless-steel cookware contains alloys of nickel, chromium, molybdenum, 
> carbon and various other metals. These metals can leech into your food, 
> especially as your cookware gets older.
> http://www.independentweekly.com.au/blogs/dr-brett/how-healthy-are-your-cooking-pots/1725282.aspx
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -- 

Re: CS>Where to buy CMO

[John E. Stevens]

I agree with Dee on this one.  There's also an outside chance that
chondroitin may also cause certain cancers.  I'm waiting for more reorts on
this one.

John

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I read that chondroitin is too big a molecule to get through the tissues,
> and is an over-priced waste of money.  dee
>
> On 13 Jan 2010, at 11:01, arthur rambo wrote:
>
> I  went through one bottle so far, of Jarrow True CMO, and have not
> experienced any benefit so far. I am using Knox gelatin, condroitan, msm,
> vit c etc to try and help heal my back; so far the best thing is using
> ice/heat pads which apparently ease the inflamation. Jarrow claims that only
> animal sources contain real CMO.
>
> --
> *From:* Marshalee Hallett 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 9:36:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Where to buy CMO
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>CS Has Been Banned - No it hasn't.

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for that reassuring post David!  dee

On 14 Jan 2010, at 08:28, Alchemysa wrote:

> Calm down folks. Steve Barwick/Spencer Jones (same guy) is not a reliable 
> source of news about CS. He writes a lot of scaremongering rubbish, probably 
> with the aim of boosting sales of his second rate generators.  Europe hasn't 
> banned the sale of colloidal silver although thats what Barwick/Jones wants 
> you to believe. They have just banned anyone from making the claim that CS is 
> a nutritional supplement. Big deal. A similar thing happened in the US and 
> Australia years ago when they banned companies from making all sorts of 
> unsubstantiated claims about CS. Put simply they are just banning misleading 
> advertising - and thats fair enough.
> 
> Barwick/Jones website is full of junk science, and outright BS. He claims his 
> totally ordinary generator is the 'worlds finest' and is the 'most popular', 
> 'biggest selling' generator in the world. I'd like to know how he works that 
> out. I'm sure Ode and Trem don't send him their sales figures.  Frankly its 
> stomach turning to read some of the crap barwick/Jones writes. He suggests 
> the recently famous blue man Paul Karosan might not really have argyria, 
> because he's more of a blue colour than grey!
> 
> David
> 
> 
>> 
>> 


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Re: CS>sniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

[Jeff Maahs]

I've been using Zicam rapidmelts for the past couple of years (not so much 
after finding out about CS this fall) and I've had no problem. Of course that's 
not the nasal version.

Snopes finding is "Undetermined."  http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/zicam.asp

Zicam is a big sponser of Rush Limbaugh and this could be politically motivated.

Jeff


  

Re: CS>storage question

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Well that's you against almost everyone else on this list then!  As Mike said, 
its ok that *you* will only use this method but its different when you are 
telling others that this is the ONLY correct way, when it isn't!  dee

On 14 Jan 2010, at 13:20, John E. Stevens wrote:

> Dee:
> 
> I totally disagree with you.  Glass and preferably dark amber colored glass 
> is the only I will ever store my CSW.  I'm not interested in getting a little 
> estrogen from BPH (bephenols) from plastic containers.  I use no plastic to 
> store food in the fridge - only glass,  There is no safer way than glass.  
> 
> John
> 


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Re: CS>storage question

[John E. Stevens]

Hey, Dee:

So it's against everyone else on this list.  so what?  Bothers me not...
Ha...  Ha...  I said it's *the only way I will store my CS.*  What others do
is their business.  I don't trust plastics in any form or or matter and I do
not use them - but that's just me...  what others do, they do.  So be it.

John

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Well that's you against almost everyone else on this list then!  As Mike
> said, its ok that *you* will only use this method but its different when you
> are telling others that this is the ONLY correct way, when it isn't!  dee
>
> On 14 Jan 2010, at 13:20, John E. Stevens wrote:
>
> > Dee:
> >
> > I totally disagree with you.  Glass and preferably dark amber colored
> glass is the only I will ever store my CSW.  I'm not interested in getting a
> little estrogen from BPH (bephenols) from plastic containers.  I use no
> plastic to store food in the fridge - only glass,  There is no safer way
> than glass.
> >
> > John
> >
>
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Re: CS>A Layman's Guide to Using Colloidal Silver

[cubbyclown]

Thanks for the info
 
Cubby
 
 
In a message dated 1/14/2010 6:27:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tanke...@iland.net writes:

Someone on the list said they were new to CS, and  ask if anyone had info 
on its use.  I found this article, which I think  is good, so am forwarding 
it on. 
_http://utopiasilver.com/laymansguide.htm_ 
(http://utopiasilver.com/laymansguide.htm) 

RE: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Renee]

I haven't heard that expression sine my dad passed away.  Only he always
said a sharp stick.  :-)

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
 
, better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick 

Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet

[Norton, Steve]

I am not arguing the point but I am curious. If EIS caused bluing of your 
fingernails the same as Marshall shows, how would you describe it to others? 

- Steve




From: Dan Nave  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
Sent: Wed Jan 13 21:52:09 2010
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet 


You wrote: "What part of their statement do think they got incorrect?"
 
For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS.  When I looked at 
the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but 
the moons themselves are not blue...
 
Dan


On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve  wrote:


Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different 
perspective. 

Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it 
is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and 
an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel 
free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. 

Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance 
of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount 
of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances 
cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure 
and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue 
first and get medical help in time. 

If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that 
almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement 
do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not 
have blue moons? 

It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but 
your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. 

Regards,
Steve N



From: Steve G  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
Sent: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 

Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet 


How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'   My problem is that all kinds 
of people make all kinds of claims.  If I believe someone just because they are 
fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read 
things that conflict with each other.

My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can 
dispute it without any substantiation for my position.   If someone presents 
rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or 
study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it.

There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the 
notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.'   I don't believe them.  They have 
yet to provide meaningful support for their position.   

When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't 
accept it at face value.  I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made 
or from whom it was acquired.   I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can 
get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this 
happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do.

And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't 
worth that much to me.   They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions 
just as easily as I can.

Steve G.


--- On Wed, 1/13/10, sol  wrote:



From: sol 
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM


At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
> If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel.  It 
causes prostate to swell..
Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and 
I will pass this tidbit on.
sol 

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CS>Loss of Smell Signals Alzheimer's

[Day Sutton]

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/health_stories/loss_smell_Alzheimers/2010/01/14/308391.html

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CS>Glass Storage

[Day Sutton]

Glass is good.  Bet you didn't know that Chrystal will leach lead out did
you?

-- 
Day Sutton
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Re: CS>storage question

[Marshall Dudley]

John E. Stevens wrote:
Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If used 
for your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly 
as possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark 
cabinet away fron light and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long 
time.


John

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee > wrote:


I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The
lady there told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle. 
But I have read here that it needs to be stored in glass.  Would

it be OK to store in plastic just long enough to collect a half
gallon to use to soak my horse's feet?  Should I throw away the
half gallon I have stored in plastic for the last month?
TIA,
Teresa


I have stored CS in hd polyethylene for months and in some cases years 
with no dicernable effect.  All plastics are not the same, which plastic 
have you experienced this problem with?


Marshall


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Re: CS>storage question

[Marshall Dudley]

The spelling is biphenol, specifically biphenol A.  It is used in many 
plastics, but is not used in polyethylene, which is the plastic of 
choice for CS and the one we use.  Specifically it is used in 
polyesters, polysulones, polycarbonates, PVC and epoxies. Specifically 
PET, HDPE, LDPE, polypropylene, and polystyrene do not use biphenol A.


The only plastic we recommend is polyethylene for storage, either HDPE 
or LDPE, which typically contains no antioxidants or plasticizes. No one 
is recommending using any plastic which contains this compound for anything.


Marshall

John E. Stevens wrote:
There's also a problem with bephenols (bph's) if stored in plastic.  
gee, I just hate to disagree with you knowlwdgeable folks...  Ha...  
ha...  ha...


John

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:13 PM, John E. Stevens 
mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If
used for your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as
quickly as possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored
in a dark cabinet away fron light and the sun and your CSW can
last a long, long time.

John


On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee
mailto:tjes...@dishmail.net>> wrote:

I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia. 
The lady there told me I could store my silver in a plastic

bottle.  But I have read here that it needs to be stored in
glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just long enough to
collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet? 
Should I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic

for the last month?
TIA,
Teresa






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Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Marshall Dudley]

My daughter, my wife and I all have developed the gray moons. None of 
use use alcohol or illegal drugs or anything else out of the ordinary.  
We all developed them at the same time, when I switched from 5 ppm CS to 
20 ppm CS.  The darkness of the moons is proportional to the amount of 
CS ingested by each of us. Once we stopped taking CS daily, the 
progression of the moons stopped for each of us. The 5 ppm CS was made 
by the HVAC method, the 20 by the LVDC method. The LVDC used distilled 
water, less than 1 mA per square inch of anode, stirring and polarity 
switching.  It is pretty well what most here are making, although likely 
a higher ppm than most.  Also the moons are not blue, they are really 
slate gray, and the only thing I can find that slate gray moons indicate 
is silver accumulation.


Marshall

Neville Munn wrote:
[When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I 
don't accept it at face value...]
-I attempted to find out more about this blue moon business many 
'moons' ago and gave it away as a bad joke cos of all the stuff being 
used/abused/ingested/applied/popped/consumed/supplemented/snorted etc 
etc in conjuction with CS {I remain unconvinced EIS is the sole 
cause, let alone any other outside influences which may be a 
contributing factor}.  I gave up as quick as I started cos there is no 
way I could isolate EIS as being the root cause, even though those who 
contributed may have been well meaning in their input.
 
There are a multitude of machines of varying configurations used in 
producing EIS around the world and ALL will produce something slightly 
different, ancillary equipment incorporated in that production 
process, as well as inumerable variables, will contribute to something 
different also {my opinion and I'm sticking to it}.  An individuals 
methods and procedures for producing EIS, plus numerous other factors 
known only to that individual, *may?* contribute to some side effects 
but does not necessarily mean that said side effect/s should be 
generally accepted as a recognised outcome, or the 'norm' where EIS is 
concerned.  EIS is a little more complex than that in my opinion.
 
Not being a high academic achiever or published researcher I have no 
substance therefore I choose to remain one of those who won't run with 
the mob...Only dead fish go with the flow.
 
People will believe what they choose to believe and voice that belief, 
myself included.
 
N.


Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:04:28 -0800
From: chube...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'   My problem is that 
all kinds of people make all kinds of claims.  If I believe someone 
just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in 
circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other.


My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated 
claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position.   
If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must 
consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid 
before I can dispute it.


There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing 
the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.'   I don't believe 
them.  They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position.  

When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I 
don't accept it at face value.  I need to know how their 'colloidal 
silver' was made or from whom it was acquired.   I am open to the idea 
that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I 
want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is 
going on and what I should do.


And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims 
isn't worth that much to me.   They can be mistaken or have made poor 
assumptions just as easily as I can.


Steve G.


--- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol //* wrote:


From: sol 
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM

At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
> If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. 
It causes prostate to swell..

Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate
cancer and I will pass this tidbit on.
sol

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RE: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Norton, Steve]

Marshall,
Does the grey moon start at the top of the moon and progress towards the
inner nail as it gets more pronounced?
Thanks,
Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:55 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?

My daughter, my wife and I all have developed the gray moons. None of 
use use alcohol or illegal drugs or anything else out of the ordinary.  
We all developed them at the same time, when I switched from 5 ppm CS to

20 ppm CS.  The darkness of the moons is proportional to the amount of 
CS ingested by each of us. Once we stopped taking CS daily, the 
progression of the moons stopped for each of us. The 5 ppm CS was made 
by the HVAC method, the 20 by the LVDC method. The LVDC used distilled 
water, less than 1 mA per square inch of anode, stirring and polarity 
switching.  It is pretty well what most here are making, although likely

a higher ppm than most.  Also the moons are not blue, they are really 
slate gray, and the only thing I can find that slate gray moons indicate

is silver accumulation.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet

[Marshall Dudley]

The moons are gray. Initially only the moons were grey, starting at the 
root and progressing out. Over time it progressed until the gray 
actually now extends past the moons.  The color is different though 
because the moons are pure gray, but outside the moons you have the pink 
underlaying the area so it appears more purplish..


Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

You wrote: "What part of their statement do think they got incorrect?"
 
For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS.  When I 
looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the 
moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue...
 
Dan


On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve > wrote:


Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different
perspective.

Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know
if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim
is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an
opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but
it need not become a dispute.

Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented
instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally
drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly.
Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency
that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It
probably has never happened because the person would turn blue
first and get medical help in time.

If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe
that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of
their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not
drink silver or that they do not have blue moons?

It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal
information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not
true.

Regards,
Steve N


*From*: Steve G mailto:chube...@yahoo.com>>
*To*: silver-list@eskimo.com 
mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
*Sent*: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010

*Subject*: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet

How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'   My problem is
that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims.  If I believe
someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go
around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict
with each other.

My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated
claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my
position.   If someone presents rationale, information from a
study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it
appears to be solid before I can dispute it.

There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet
pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.'   I don't
believe them.  They have yet to provide meaningful support for
their position.  


When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons,
I don't accept it at face value.  I need to know how their
'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired.   I am
open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from
colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so
I can figure out what is going on and what I should do.

And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such
claims isn't worth that much to me.   They can be mistaken or have
made poor assumptions just as easily as I can.

Steve G.


--- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol /mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com>>/* wrote:


From: sol mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com>>
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM

At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
> If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless
steel.  It causes prostate to swell..
Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate
cancer and I will pass this tidbit on.
sol

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Re: CS>CS Has Been Banned - No it hasn't.

[Steve G]

Perhaps this guy is working with the administration to promulgate that the 
'stimulus package' has created or saved 2 million jobs, while at the same time 
US unemployment keeps rising.


--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
Subject: Re: CS>CS Has Been Banned -  No it hasn't.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:30 AM

Thanks for that reassuring post David!  dee

On 14 Jan 2010, at 08:28, Alchemysa wrote:

> Calm down folks. Steve Barwick/Spencer Jones (same guy) is not a reliable 
> source of news about CS. He writes a lot of scaremongering rubbish, probably 
> with the aim of boosting sales of his second rate generators.  Europe hasn't 
> banned the sale of colloidal silver although thats what Barwick/Jones wants 
> you to believe. They have just banned anyone from making the claim that CS is 
> a nutritional supplement. Big deal. A similar thing happened in the US and 
> Australia years ago when they banned companies from making all sorts of 
> unsubstantiated claims about CS. Put simply they are just banning misleading 
> advertising - and thats fair enough.
> 
> Barwick/Jones website is full of junk science, and outright BS. He claims his 
> totally ordinary generator is the 'worlds finest' and is the 'most popular', 
> 'biggest selling' generator in the world. I'd like to know how he works that 
> out. I'm sure Ode and Trem don't send him their sales figures.  Frankly its 
> stomach turning to read some of the crap barwick/Jones writes. He suggests 
> the recently famous blue man Paul Karosan might not really have argyria, 
> because he's more of a blue colour than grey!
> 
> David
> 
> 
>> 
>> 


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Re: CS>storage question

[slickpicker]

Isn't it biSphenol?

 Marshall Dudley  wrote: 

=
The spelling is biphenol, specifically biphenol A.  It is used in many 
plastics, but is not used in polyethylene, which is the plastic of 
choice for CS and the one we use.  Specifically it is used in 
polyesters, polysulones, polycarbonates, PVC and epoxies. Specifically 
PET, HDPE, LDPE, polypropylene, and polystyrene do not use biphenol A.

The only plastic we recommend is polyethylene for storage, either HDPE 
or LDPE, which typically contains no antioxidants or plasticizes. No one 
is recommending using any plastic which contains this compound for anything.

Marshall

John E. Stevens wrote:
> There's also a problem with bephenols (bph's) if stored in plastic.  
> gee, I just hate to disagree with you knowlwdgeable folks...  Ha...  
> ha...  ha...
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:13 PM, John E. Stevens 
> mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If
> used for your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as
> quickly as possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored
> in a dark cabinet away fron light and the sun and your CSW can
> last a long, long time.
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee
> mailto:tjes...@dishmail.net>> wrote:
>
> I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia. 
> The lady there told me I could store my silver in a plastic
> bottle.  But I have read here that it needs to be stored in
> glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just long enough to
> collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet? 
> Should I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic
> for the last month?
> TIA,
> Teresa
>
>
>


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CS>asthma

[Lisa Knowles]

Hi Everyone,  I'm new here and am interested in hearing from anyone who has 
successfully (or not) treated their asthma using CS and/or DMSO.

 

I just started nebulizing CS and lobelia extract a few days ago.

 

I'd love to hear what protocols people have tried.

 

Thanks! Lisa Marie
  
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Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Marshall Dudley]

The graying on my children's and wife's nails is totally within the 
moons.  It starts at the root of the nail and progresses out toward the 
edge of the moon, and eventually outside the moon over time.  There does 
not seem to be a significant amount of drop off in the coloring from the 
root to the edge of the coloring where it simply suddenly disappears.  
Even now on her smaller fingers only the root side of the moon on my 
wife's fingers are colored.  When it first appears it will actually be 
under the cuticle and slowly progress out from there.


Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:

Marshall,
Does the grey moon start at the top of the moon and progress towards the
inner nail as it gets more pronounced?
Thanks,
Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:55 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?

My daughter, my wife and I all have developed the gray moons. None of 
use use alcohol or illegal drugs or anything else out of the ordinary.  
We all developed them at the same time, when I switched from 5 ppm CS to


20 ppm CS.  The darkness of the moons is proportional to the amount of 
CS ingested by each of us. Once we stopped taking CS daily, the 
progression of the moons stopped for each of us. The 5 ppm CS was made 
by the HVAC method, the 20 by the LVDC method. The LVDC used distilled 
water, less than 1 mA per square inch of anode, stirring and polarity 
switching.  It is pretty well what most here are making, although likely


a higher ppm than most.  Also the moons are not blue, they are really 
slate gray, and the only thing I can find that slate gray moons indicate


is silver accumulation.

Marshall


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Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Steve G]

Marshall,

Thanks so much for the detailed description.   Now, do the discolored moons 
concern you?  Are you planning on changing your strategy?   I'm curious how or 
if you are planning on addressing this.

My goal is to optimize my health without having indications like this that may 
have implications for the future.

Steve G.


--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Marshall Dudley  wrote:

From: Marshall Dudley 
Subject: Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 11:33 AM

The graying on my children's and wife's nails is totally within the moons.  It 
starts at the root of the nail and progresses out toward the edge of the moon, 
and eventually outside the moon over time.  There does not seem to be a 
significant amount of drop off in the coloring from the root to the edge of the 
coloring where it simply suddenly disappears.  Even now on her smaller fingers 
only the root side of the moon on my wife's fingers are colored.  When it first 
appears it will actually be under the cuticle and slowly progress out from 
there.

Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:
> Marshall,
> Does the grey moon start at the top of the moon and progress towards the
> inner nail as it gets more pronounced?
> Thanks,
>     Steve N
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, January 
> 14, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?
> 
> My daughter, my wife and I all have developed the gray moons. None of use use 
> alcohol or illegal drugs or anything else out of the ordinary.  We all 
> developed them at the same time, when I switched from 5 ppm CS to
> 
> 20 ppm CS.  The darkness of the moons is proportional to the amount of CS 
> ingested by each of us. Once we stopped taking CS daily, the progression of 
> the moons stopped for each of us. The 5 ppm CS was made by the HVAC method, 
> the 20 by the LVDC method. The LVDC used distilled water, less than 1 mA per 
> square inch of anode, stirring and polarity switching.  It is pretty well 
> what most here are making, although likely
> 
> a higher ppm than most.  Also the moons are not blue, they are really slate 
> gray, and the only thing I can find that slate gray moons indicate
> 
> is silver accumulation.
> 
> Marshall
> 
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Re: CS>CS and sense of smell- losing it

[Bob Banever]

I've put CS up my nose dozens of times without any side effects whatsoever. 
Stings for a few minutes, but that's all.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS and sense of smell- losing it





  Never has for menor have I heard of it before.

Ode


At 09:45 AM 1/13/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Several of my family have been battling bronchitis for the last week or 
so. My husband put some CS in a teaspoon, and inhaled it.
He did this maybe 4 times over the last few days, and now says he cannot 
smell anything--  even the chlorine type smell of MMS,
or fragrance oils straight from the bottle.  (I am a soapmaker, so have 
lots of that around.)


He had recently read that the use of ZICAM, a zinc-based OTC product that 
you used by swabbing in the nasal passages, caused

loss of sense of smell.

Will sniffing CS into the nasal passages do the same thing?

Beth H

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Re: CS>storage question

[Guenter Poelz]

Marshall Dudley schrieb:


gallon to use to soak my horse's feet? Should I throw away the
half gallon I have stored in plastic for the last month?
TIA,
Teresa



I have stored CS in hd polyethylene for months and in some cases years
with no dicernable effect. All plastics are not the same, which plastic
have you experienced this problem with?

Marshall



I think it depends on the kind of EIS you make: metallic/ionic.

I make it with the HVAC method.
Some time ago I used very good distilled water such that the electrodes 
pull up a water cone at the beginning. The glass beaker in which I brew 
the CS became slowly a metallic deposit over the months. Also an old 
CocaCola bottle became slowly metallic black.


Now my distilled water is worse. The cones are negligible. I generate 
thus almost only ionic silver. The beakers and the bottles stay clear 
for glass and plastic as well.


I think an ionic silver solution is not very sensitive.

Guenter


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Re: CS>asthma

[Larry Biggar]

HI Lisa! I had asthma/copd. Baught a Silver Puppy. Started spraying my throat 
and nostrils a few times a couple of times a day. Plus 1 shot under my tongue. 
I had instant success. Then i baught a nebulizer. That seemed to go deaper and 
more results. Used it a few times. Went to see my Dr. at the VA. He suggested i 
stop my inhalers! Regards, Larry

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lisa Knowles  wrote:


From: Lisa Knowles 
Subject: CS>asthma
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:30 AM




Hi Everyone,  I'm new here and am interested in hearing from anyone who has 
successfully (or not) treated their asthma using CS and/or DMSO.
 
I just started nebulizing CS and lobelia extract a few days ago.
 
I'd love to hear what protocols people have tried.
 
Thanks! Lisa Marie



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RE: CS>asthma

[Lisa Knowles]

Thanks for the info Larry.  Wow, what great results!  I started nebulizing 
Utopia Naturals Ionic Silver (20 ppm) twice a day a few days ago and it seemed 
to help at first but today I'm a little worse again.  I'm nebulizing about 3 mL 
twice a day.

 

I can't really see myself making cs at this point in my life.  Is your silver 
ionic or colloidal?  How many ppm?  What kind of nebulizer did you use?

 

Maybe I should also spray some in my throat and up my nose and take internally.

 

I believe that inflammation from a gall bladder infection caused the breakdown 
of my health over the last few months.  Have adrenal fatigue, too and now 
asthma.  I cleared a systemic fungal infection last year with cs, but it had no 
effect on the gall bladder infection, finally had to have surgery.

 

Best, Lisa Marie
 


Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:57:12 -0800
From: lbig...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>asthma
To: silver-list@eskimo.com





HI Lisa! I had asthma/copd. Baught a Silver Puppy. Started spraying my throat 
and nostrils a few times a couple of times a day. Plus 1 shot under my tongue. 
I had instant success. Then i baught a nebulizer. That seemed to go deaper and 
more results. Used it a few times. Went to see my Dr. at the VA. He suggested i 
stop my inhalers! Regards, Larry

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lisa Knowles  wrote:


From: Lisa Knowles 
Subject: CS>asthma
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:30 AM




Hi Everyone,  I'm new here and am interested in hearing from anyone who has 
successfully (or not) treated their asthma using CS and/or DMSO.
 
I just started nebulizing CS and lobelia extract a few days ago.
 
I'd love to hear what protocols people have tried.
 
Thanks! Lisa Marie



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Re: CS>Loss of Smell Signals Alzheimer's

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Interesting.  dee

On 14 Jan 2010, at 15:03, Day Sutton wrote:

> http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/health_stories/loss_smell_Alzheimers/2010/01/14/308391.html
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Re: CS>storage question

[John E. Stevens]

Everyone to their own...

John

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

> Isn't it biSphenol?
>
>  Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>
> =
> The spelling is biphenol, specifically biphenol A.  It is used in many
> plastics, but is not used in polyethylene, which is the plastic of
> choice for CS and the one we use.  Specifically it is used in
> polyesters, polysulones, polycarbonates, PVC and epoxies. Specifically
> PET, HDPE, LDPE, polypropylene, and polystyrene do not use biphenol A.
>
> The only plastic we recommend is polyethylene for storage, either HDPE
> or LDPE, which typically contains no antioxidants or plasticizes. No one
> is recommending using any plastic which contains this compound for
> anything.
>
> Marshall
>
> John E. Stevens wrote:
> > There's also a problem with bephenols (bph's) if stored in plastic.
> > gee, I just hate to disagree with you knowlwdgeable folks...  Ha...
> > ha...  ha...
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:13 PM, John E. Stevens
> > mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If
> > used for your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as
> > quickly as possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored
> > in a dark cabinet away fron light and the sun and your CSW can
> > last a long, long time.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee
> > mailto:tjes...@dishmail.net>> wrote:
> >
> > I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.
> > The lady there told me I could store my silver in a plastic
> > bottle.  But I have read here that it needs to be stored in
> > glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just long enough to
> > collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet?
> > Should I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic
> > for the last month?
> > TIA,
> > Teresa
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Marshall Dudley]

Steve G wrote:

Marshall,

Thanks so much for the detailed description.   Now, do the discolored 
moons concern you? 


Not really. Others in my family are more concerned.

Are you planning on changing your strategy?  

I no longer take CS as a preventative. I take D3 instead and have found 
the results to be the same.  If I need to though I will still take CS, 
although that need has not arisen yet since switching to D3.


Marshall

I'm curious how or if you are planning on addressing this.

My goal is to optimize my health without having indications like this 
that may have implications for the future.


Steve G.


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From: Marshall Dudley 
Subject: Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 11:33 AM

The graying on my children's and wife's nails is totally within
the moons.  It starts at the root of the nail and progresses out
toward the edge of the moon, and eventually outside the moon over
time.  There does not seem to be a significant amount of drop off
in the coloring from the root to the edge of the coloring where it
simply suddenly disappears.  Even now on her smaller fingers only
the root side of the moon on my wife's fingers are colored.  When
it first appears it will actually be under the cuticle and slowly
progress out from there.

Marshall

Norton, Steve wrote:
> Marshall,
> Does the grey moon start at the top of the moon and progress
towards the
> inner nail as it gets more pronounced?
> Thanks,
> Steve N
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com
] Sent: Thursday, January
14, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Subject: Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?
>
> My daughter, my wife and I all have developed the gray moons.
None of use use alcohol or illegal drugs or anything else out of
the ordinary.  We all developed them at the same time, when I
switched from 5 ppm CS to
>
> 20 ppm CS.  The darkness of the moons is proportional to the
amount of CS ingested by each of us. Once we stopped taking CS
daily, the progression of the moons stopped for each of us. The 5
ppm CS was made by the HVAC method, the 20 by the LVDC method. The
LVDC used distilled water, less than 1 mA per square inch of
anode, stirring and polarity switching.  It is pretty well what
most here are making, although likely
>
> a higher ppm than most.  Also the moons are not blue, they are
really slate gray, and the only thing I can find that slate gray
moons indicate
>
> is silver accumulation.
>
> Marshall
>
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Re: CS>Glass Storage

[John E. Stevens]

That's fairly common knowledge about crystal.  I've only known that for
about 40 years...  but thanks for the input.

John

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Day Sutton  wrote:

> Glass is good.  Bet you didn't know that Chrystal will leach lead out did
> you?
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Re: CS>storage question

[Guenter Poelz]

Guenter Poelz schrieb:

Marshall Dudley schrieb:


gallon to use to soak my horse's feet? Should I throw away the
half gallon I have stored in plastic for the last month?
TIA,
Teresa



I have stored CS in hd polyethylene for months and in some cases years
with no dicernable effect. All plastics are not the same, which plastic
have you experienced this problem with?

Marshall



I think it depends on the kind of EIS you make: metallic/ionic.

I make it with the HVAC method.
Some time ago I used very good distilled water such that the electrodes
pull up a water cone at the beginning. The glass beaker in which I brew
the CS became slowly a metallic deposit over the months. Also an old
CocaCola bottle became slowly metallic black.


oh, I forgot: the bottle was a plastic one. -- Guenter


Now my distilled water is worse. The cones are negligible. I generate
thus almost only ionic silver. The beakers and the bottles stay clear
for glass and plastic as well.

I think an ionic silver solution is not very sensitive.

Guenter


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Re: CS>storage question

[slickpicker]

Not in the field of chemistry. Biphenol and bisphenol are different things.  
Bisphenol A is the compound used in plastics that has caused concern.

TW


 "John E. Stevens"  wrote: 

=
Everyone to their own...

John

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

> Isn't it biSphenol?
>
>  Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>
> =
> The spelling is biphenol, specifically biphenol A.  It is used in many
> plastics, but is not used in polyethylene, which is the plastic of
> choice for CS and the one we use.  Specifically it is used in
> polyesters, polysulones, polycarbonates, PVC and epoxies. Specifically
> PET, HDPE, LDPE, polypropylene, and polystyrene do not use biphenol A.
>
> The only plastic we recommend is polyethylene for storage, either HDPE
> or LDPE, which typically contains no antioxidants or plasticizes. No one
> is recommending using any plastic which contains this compound for
> anything.
>
> Marshall
>
> John E. Stevens wrote:
> > There's also a problem with bephenols (bph's) if stored in plastic.
> > gee, I just hate to disagree with you knowlwdgeable folks...  Ha...
> > ha...  ha...
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:13 PM, John E. Stevens
> > mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If
> > used for your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as
> > quickly as possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored
> > in a dark cabinet away fron light and the sun and your CSW can
> > last a long, long time.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee
> > mailto:tjes...@dishmail.net>> wrote:
> >
> > I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.
> > The lady there told me I could store my silver in a plastic
> > bottle.  But I have read here that it needs to be stored in
> > glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just long enough to
> > collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet?
> > Should I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic
> > for the last month?
> > TIA,
> > Teresa
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet

[Dan Nave]

Well, that clarifies it ...I think

I have a purplish darkening of the area immediately above the moons
but the moons look fine to me.
I'm sure it is not a vascular problem, it is probably from the silver.
 Perhaps the moons actually are affected,
but they look the same as ever to me.

Dan


On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
> The moons are gray. Initially only the moons were grey, starting at the root
> and progressing out. Over time it progressed until the gray actually now
> extends past the moons.  The color is different though because the moons are
> pure gray, but outside the moons you have the pink underlaying the area so
> it appears more purplish..
>
> Marshall
>
> Dan Nave wrote:
>>
>> You wrote: "What part of their statement do think they got incorrect?"
>>  For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS.  When I
>> looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons
>> is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue...
>>  Dan
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve > > wrote:
>>
>>    Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different
>>    perspective.
>>
>>    Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know
>>    if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim
>>    is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an
>>    opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but
>>    it need not become a dispute.
>>
>>    Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented
>>    instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally
>>    drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly.
>>    Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency
>>    that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It
>>    probably has never happened because the person would turn blue
>>    first and get medical help in time.
>>
>>    If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe
>>    that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of
>>    their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not
>>    drink silver or that they do not have blue moons?
>>
>>    It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal
>>    information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not
>>    true.
>>
>>    Regards,
>>    Steve N
>>
>>
>>  
>>    *From*: Steve G mailto:chube...@yahoo.com>>
>>    *To*: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>    mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
>>    *Sent*: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010
>>
>>    *Subject*: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet
>>
>>    How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'   My problem is
>>    that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims.  If I believe
>>    someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go
>>    around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict
>>    with each other.
>>
>>    My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated
>>    claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my
>>    position.   If someone presents rationale, information from a
>>    study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it
>>    appears to be solid before I can dispute it.
>>
>>    There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet
>>    pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.'   I don't
>>    believe them.  They have yet to provide meaningful support for
>>    their position.
>>    When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons,
>>    I don't accept it at face value.  I need to know how their
>>    'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired.   I am
>>    open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from
>>    colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so
>>    I can figure out what is going on and what I should do.
>>
>>    And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such
>>    claims isn't worth that much to me.   They can be mistaken or have
>>    made poor assumptions just as easily as I can.
>>
>>    Steve G.
>>
>>
>>    --- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol />    >/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>        From: sol >        >
>>        Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet
>>        To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>        Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM
>>
>>        At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
>>        > If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless
>>        steel.  It causes prostate to swell..
>>        Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate
>>        cancer and I will pass this tidbit on.
>>        sol
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Re: CS>storage question

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Do you know if this is in the PET 1 plastic?  thanks.  dee

On 14 Jan 2010, at 18:20,  wrote:

> Not in the field of chemistry. Biphenol and bisphenol are different things.  
> Bisphenol A is the compound used in plastics that has caused concern.
> 
> TW
> 
> 


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Re: CS>sniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

[Kathy]

It was a c+p but had a fda link which I did not check out. I just saw this 
thread and had just gotten this email from another group.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm167065.htm
- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: CS>sniffing CS and loss of sense of smell



Kathy,

You wrote:

  This sounded important enough to pass along... [etc...]


Is this your first-hand experience or is it a cut-and-paste of
something that you're passing on to us? If so, what is the site
address, please?

Thanks,

Mike D.


  This is crazyIt is true too! There is a link at the bottom of
  this to the FDA website with the information.
   I want my friends and loved ones to know what has happened to me
   in hopes that it will never happen to you or anybody you care
   about.

  About 10 days ago, I felt a cold coming on; so before I went to
  bed I used Zicam Cold Remedy Nasal Gel. It's supposed to help you
  "get over your cold faster." Immediately after I sprayed it into
  each nostril I felt the most horrific burning sensation
  imaginable. It literally felt like I had sprayed pepper spray
  directly into my brain. It burned all the way to the top of my
  skull. My nasal passages swelled, my eyes watered - the burning
  lasted all night long into the next day. After about a day, I
  realized I couldn't taste anything and I thought, "Wow - I must
  really have a bad cold." Then I noticed that I couldn't smell
  coffee brewing, couldn't smell my perfume when I put it on,
  couldn't smell the popcorn I burned, couldn't smell my favorite
  candle. I panicked and starting smelling everything that I could
  find that had really strong odors - ammonia,  finger nail polish
  remover, bleach, etc. I couldn't smell ANYTHING! I started tasting
  everything that had really strong tastes such as HOT salsa, raw
  red onions, Doritos, coffee. I couldn't taste ANYTHING! I told my
  mother about this and she said, "Oh, I've heard Zicam can affect
  your Olfactory nerve." I went online, typed in "Zicam side
  effects" and bam - up popped all sorts of web sites with people
  reporting the same thing I experienced. It seems that this past
  June, Zicam pulled the swabs for adults and  children off the
  shelf but not the nasal gel. I went to my ENT and he said the
  Zicam had basically "FRIED" my Olfactory nerve and the results are
  most likely permanent. He put me on a strong dose of a steroid
  called Prednisone in hopes of recovering ANY bit of the nerve
  damage but he told me to "take this and pray." He said he had read
  about the side effects of Zicam and couldn't believe it is still
  on the shelf. It isn't FDA approved. I am taking the Prednisone
  and praying but nothing is happening. I LITERALLY CANNOT SMELL OR
  TASTE ANYTHING! I can tell if foods are hot  or cold, I can tell
  the consistency and I can faintly detect if it is salty but that
  is it. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE pass this on to everyone you care
  about. I don't want this to happen to ANYONE else!! And if
  you have Zicam in your medicine cabinet--THROW IT AWAY! Susan
  Please share with everyone you can. Check it out on the link
  below.

 http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm16
 7065.htm



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CS>Herbal formula for smokers

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

A friend sent this out as a herbal mix to smoke in place of tobacco... you 
might want to pass it on to smoking friends who want to quit..

Smoke in place of tobacco products, in either a pipe or rolled with rolling 
papers. It is pleasantly fragrant while burning. Alternatively, brew as you 
would customarily prepare any herbal tea and enjoy ... it is pleasantly 
flavorful.


* * * * *

Herbal smoking tobacco

Blend equal parts of the following herbs, then store in an airtight glass jar:

Mullein leaf - helps reduce lung inflammation

Damaina - Used for thousands of years in Latin American cultures 
ritualistically as a se x ual stimulant. However, Damaina also affects the 
nervous system, acting as an anti-depressant, soothing anxiety, nervousness and 
mild depression, thus, promoting a general feeling of well-being.

Coltsfoot - cough suppressant

Red Clover - Gives the mix body & a pleasant taste.

Wild Lettuce - The plant is commonly found in southern parts of Europe and the 
Caucasus. The history of Wild Lettuce can be traced way back to the ancient 
Egyptians. The Egyptian god of fertility, Min, is closely tied to the plant and 
he is often depicted holding a rosette of Lactuca Serriola. Many studies of the 
medicinal qualities of Wild Lettuce have been made. Several chemicals which 
constitute a mild sedative and cough suppressant can be found in the wild 
Lactuca species. The two main chemicals are Lactucopicrin and Lactucin.

Ginseng Leaf - acts on nervous system to promote a general feeling of well 
being.
 
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CS>A few more questions about CS production

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well..

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue bottles 
plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some silver a 
while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also want 
spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated things.. 
and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say my silver 
is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world.. 
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Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

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Re: CS>Loss of Smell Signals Alzheimer's

[arthur rambo]

I have a diminished sense of smell from HCV, never goes away completely. Also  
some loss of taste, increases/decreases. 12-15 years that I have tracked. 





From: Day Sutton 
To: Silver Post 
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 7:03:17 AM
Subject: CS>Loss of Smell Signals Alzheimer's

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/health_stories/loss_smell_Alzheimers/2010/01/14/308391.html

-- 
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Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[TREM]

Sunny,

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

I hope this helps you.

Best regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com


  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: Silver List 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
  Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Hey all you health seekers,

  I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

  1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

  2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

  3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

  What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

   I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

  Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

  4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

  5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

  6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

  Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
  I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

  A peek into our world... 

  Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All


  Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 


  Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
  Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life

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CS>[List Owner] Message size reminder...

[M. G. Devour]

MaryAnn, Sunny, and Dave D. each just sent a message that (barely) 
busted the message size limit for the list, which is 18k bytes.

That amounts to a page or two of fancy formatted text, and up to a 
dozen pages or so of plain-text. Add any kind of graphics or 
attachments and all bets are off! 

The easiest thing to do if a message you post doesn't show up on the 
list within a few minutes is to trim some of the quoted text and re-
send. If you're trying to send a message that spreads out over several 
pages, then you'll almost certainly need to configure your mailer to 
send plain text. 

If you don't know how to set your mail system to send plain-text, 
usually a quick google search for "plain text" and the name of your e-
mail system or program will pop up instructions within the first few 
'hits.'

Let me know if you need assistance.

I usually contact people privately when they do this, but since several 
came in at once, I figured I'd make one message that was 3 times longer 
and send it to everybody for an educational moment. 

Thanks for your patience, all.

Mike D.
silver-list owner

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Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

Thanks so it's new production and storage jars..OK.. I actually googled 
'vwaals' then realized it was vessls' fingers one key over... ha ha

 
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From: TREM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 4:12:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Sunny,
 
#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.
 
I hope this helps you.
 
Best regards,
 
Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com
 
 
- Original Message - 
>From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
>To: Silver List 
>Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
>Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production
>
>
>Hey all you health seekers,
>
>I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
>get all the associated 'stuff' as well.
>
>1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
>apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, 
>or can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
>outside to keep out the light?
>
>2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
>output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
>wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
>important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.
>
>3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
>away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
>cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
>honey, food etc. 
>
>What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
>and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
>there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  
>
> I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
>bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some 
>silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue 
>plastic bottle.   
>
>Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
>it out.
>
>4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
>this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
>don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
>daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
>know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 
>
>5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
>want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.
>
>6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
>things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
>my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.
>
>Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
>I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
>maintain wellness ..
>
>A peek into our world... 
>Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All
>
>Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
>wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 
>
>Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
>Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
>nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
>going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
>Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
> 
>


  

Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[M. G. Devour]

Okay, folks! I'm glad I happened to be here and able to deal with this
more or less in real-time. I've blocked Larry until he can explain his
outburst to my satisfaction and convince me it won't be repeated.

Trem, I certainly saw nothing to justify this, so please accept my
apology as your host. 

If there are any other comments (besides Neville's ), please
send them to me directly at mdev...@eskimo.com ...

Thank you for your patience.

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

> Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a
> moronic low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or
> question. In normal type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should
> be welcome here! What ever or who ever created you. Needs to put you
> back in the test tube! Regards, Larry   Thu, 1/14/10, TREM
>  wrote:
>
>
> From: TREM 
> Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM
>
>
>
> #yiv1942064181 DIV {
> MARGIN:0px;}
>
>
> Sunny,
>  
> #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or
> #detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove. 
> #Rinse with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained
> #acidic items such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to
> #remove.  Use new vwaawls.
>  
> I hope this helps you.
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> Trem Williams
> customer_serv...@silvergen.com
> www.silvergen.com
>  
>  
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny
> To: Silver List
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
> Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production
>
>
>
>
> Hey all you health seekers,
>  
> I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm
> gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.   1.  STORAGE I'm
> thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice apple juice
> glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or can
> I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the
> outside to keep out the light?   2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE
> UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently output the CS into any jar?
>   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm wondering about the
> sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it important what I
> wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.   3.  SILVER DOSAGE
> BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give away to
> women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the
> cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities
> like honey, food etc.   What kind of bottles would you recommend for
> this? Any ideas where to get them and a source of labels ?  I can
> research this but if you have something just there and can paste it..
> that would save more time.      I use MMS right now and the place we buy
> from sells it in plastic blue bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the
> citric acid mix.    I bought some silver a while back at wholefood,
> silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic bottle.     Is plastic bad
> in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning it out.  
> 4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake. 
> Is this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it
> a day. I don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd
> recommend as a daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific
> ailment in which case I know you all have lots of ideas on how to use
> silver that way]    5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good
> bottles, low cost?  I also want spray bottles, so that I can spray my
> gums.   6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and
> associated things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this
> and be able to say my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any
> good [low cost] meters.   Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any
> suggestions... I'm excited about this new venture in our lives..
> preparing ourselves to maintain wellness ..   A peek into our world...
> Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All
>
> Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural
> wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and
> emerge?
>
> Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth
> Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food,
> community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v
> asleep  Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies
> for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil
> return to earth  
>
>
>
>
>

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Message size reminder...

[M. G. Devour]

Yes, if you put even your one-liner with several pages of quoted text,
the whole package will quickly exceed the limit. I recommend making it
a habit to delete most quoted text and include just enough of the
original to establish the context of your answer.

> Mike?  Mine were one-liners.  Could it be because Sunny's message was
> included at the bottom of my remarks to Trem?  And because Sunny's
> message was long and in huge letters?  If so, I need to trim my posts.
> MA

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Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[M. G. Devour]

Deborah wrote:
> How old did you say you are Larry?

Now now, let's settle down!  He's not here to hear you, anyway.

Stuff like this happens... Thankfully it's pretty rare in this 
community.

At this point, the less energy expended in this direction, the better, 
as far as I'm concerned.

Nothing to see here. Move along!
(In his best Officer Barbrady voice...)

Mike D.
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RE: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Neville Munn]

[None of use use alcohol or illegal drugs or anything else out of the ordinary.]

-I would hope you didn't misunderstand me there Marshall, I certainly never had 
that in mind.

 

N.
 
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:54:42 -0500
> From: mdud...@king-cart.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?
> 
> My daughter, my wife and I all have developed the gray moons. None of 
> use use alcohol or illegal drugs or anything else out of the ordinary. 
> We all developed them at the same time, when I switched from 5 ppm CS to 
> 20 ppm CS. The darkness of the moons is proportional to the amount of 
> CS ingested by each of us. Once we stopped taking CS daily, the 
> progression of the moons stopped for each of us. The 5 ppm CS was made 
> by the HVAC method, the 20 by the LVDC method. The LVDC used distilled 
> water, less than 1 mA per square inch of anode, stirring and polarity 
> switching. It is pretty well what most here are making, although likely 
> a higher ppm than most. Also the moons are not blue, they are really 
> slate gray, and the only thing I can find that slate gray moons indicate 
> is silver accumulation.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Neville Munn wrote:
> > [When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I 
> > don't accept it at face value...]
> > -I attempted to find out more about this blue moon business many 
> > 'moons' ago and gave it away as a bad joke cos of all the stuff being 
> > used/abused/ingested/applied/popped/consumed/supplemented/snorted etc 
> > etc in conjuction with CS {I remain unconvinced EIS is the sole 
> > cause, let alone any other outside influences which may be a 
> > contributing factor}. I gave up as quick as I started cos there is no 
> > way I could isolate EIS as being the root cause, even though those who 
> > contributed may have been well meaning in their input.
> > 
> > There are a multitude of machines of varying configurations used in 
> > producing EIS around the world and ALL will produce something slightly 
> > different, ancillary equipment incorporated in that production 
> > process, as well as inumerable variables, will contribute to something 
> > different also {my opinion and I'm sticking to it}. An individuals 
> > methods and procedures for producing EIS, plus numerous other factors 
> > known only to that individual, *may?* contribute to some side effects 
> > but does not necessarily mean that said side effect/s should be 
> > generally accepted as a recognised outcome, or the 'norm' where EIS is 
> > concerned. EIS is a little more complex than that in my opinion.
> > 
> > Not being a high academic achiever or published researcher I have no 
> > substance therefore I choose to remain one of those who won't run with 
> > the mob...Only dead fish go with the flow.
> > 
> > People will believe what they choose to believe and voice that belief, 
> > myself included.
> > 
> > N.
> > 
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:04:28 -0800
> > From: chube...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >
> > How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that 
> > all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone 
> > just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in 
> > circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other.
> >
> > My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated 
> > claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. 
> > If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must 
> > consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid 
> > before I can dispute it.
> >
> > There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing 
> > the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe 
> > them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. 
> >
> > When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I 
> > don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal 
> > silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea 
> > that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I 
> > want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is 
> > going on and what I should do.
> >
> > And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims 
> > isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor 
> > assumptions just as easily as I can.
> >
> > Steve G.
> >
> >
> > --- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol //* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: sol 
> > Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum in your diet
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM
> >
> > At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
> > > If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. 
> > It causes prostate to swell..
> > Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed w

Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[TREM]

So much for automatic spell checking.  I need to proofread before sending.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Thanks so it's new production and storage jars..OK.. I actually googled 
'vwaals' then realized it was vessls' fingers one key over... ha ha

   
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  From: TREM 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 4:12:09 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Sunny,

  #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

  I hope this helps you.

  Best regards,

  Trem Williams
  customer_serv...@silvergen.com
  www.silvergen.com


- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm 
gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to 
give away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for 
portioning it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 

Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All


Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 


Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
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RE: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[Neville Munn]

 


Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:04:58 -0800
From: sunwatercl...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production






Hey all you health seekers,
 
I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.
-A stirring method is a must for me if producing anything over 250-300ml. You 
can make your own magnetic stirrer, and the stirrer bars as well if you don't 
want to spend a couple of bucks on buying some.
 
1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?
-I just use clear glass storage vessels which have a rubber seal but I think 
the metal lid itself is polished stainless steel, or praps aluminium, and stick 
them in a cupboard, ensuring I don't splash the stuff up on the lids.  If 
travelling I use one of those clear plastic pump bottles you buy water in.
 
2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.
-I don't wash any containers out, just wipe them out with a paper towel, 
definitely NO soap etc.
 
3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 
 
What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  
 
 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue bottles 
plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some silver a 
while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic bottle.  
 
 
Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.
 
4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 
-Haven't a clue about any 'recommended' amount, I ingest around 30ml every 
morning {uS/ppm reading dependant} as a daily maintenance thing.
 
5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also want 
spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.
 
6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated things.. 
and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say my silver 
is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.
-Well, here's one question which will draw some responses I'm sure .
I use the COM100, the COM3 and a Hanna TDS3 and my records show they're all as 
near as damn it as far as I'm concerned, none of them are accurate but are all 
*inaccurate* to a similar degree or tolerance, laboratory analysis will in all 
likelyhood show you'll have more than they'll indicate anyway.  Choice is 
yours, they'll all get you in the ballpark, any more precise and I believe 
laboratory analysis is called for, particularly if considering retail.  Meters 
are OK for the backyard, but I certainly wouldn't entertain purchasing a 
product which has only been tested with a meter...or three, that's why I make 
my own EIS, and had several samples of mine laboratory analysed...I don't trust 
anyone in this game.
 
OK, that's my two bobs worth.
 
N.
 
Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..
 
A peek into our world... 

Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All


Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 


Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
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Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hey Trem -- how about vodka???  I store my CS in beautiful cobalt blue Sky 
vodka bottles!!  There's no acid in vodka, is there?
MA





From: TREM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 3:12:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Sunny,
 
#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.
 
I hope this helps you.
 
Best regards,
 
Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com
 
 
- Original Message - 
>From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
>To: Silver List 
>Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
>Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production
>
>
>Hey all you health seekers,
>
>I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
>get all the associated 'stuff' as well.
>
>1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
>apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, 
>or can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
>outside to keep out the light?
>
>2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
>output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
>wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
>important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.
>
>3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
>away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
>cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
>honey, food etc. 
>
>What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
>and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
>there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  
>
> I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
>bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some 
>silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue 
>plastic bottle.   
>
>Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
>it out.
>
>4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
>this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
>don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
>daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
>know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 
>
>5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
>want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.
>
>6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
>things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
>my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.
>
>Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
>I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
>maintain wellness ..
>
>A peek into our world... 
>Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All
>
>Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
>wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 
>
>Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
>Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
>nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
>going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
>Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
> 
>

CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #46

[patriot2000]

  Re:
CS>Loss of Smell Signals Alzheim  [ arthur rambo
 ]
I have read a number of times in recent years that senior citizens'
ability to smell often decreases, or vanishes altogether.  I also
have read that it may be a precursor to Alzheimers' Disease.  It
can't be helped by CS, but we share so many helpful things on this list
in addition to CS I hope you won't mind my taking up space with the
following.
I was sorry when I realized that my own sense of smell was almost gone,
and sad to miss the delightful aroma of pot roast in the oven or bread
baking, -- and don't get me started about losing the smell of
popcorn!   I counted it among the costs of living into my
seventies, and resolved to watch for signs that might alert me to
approaching Alzheimers'.
Then one day, after receiving chiropractic therapy to my neck for awhile
for some unrelated issues (visual disturbance manifested by a jiggling of
my visual field, and dizziness and unsteadiness of gait), as well as what
the DC called "neurological training" exercises, I was
surprised and delighted to notice that my sense of smell was
returning!   In fact, my partially recovered sense of smell
remained when the other two problems recurred after being off her therapy
and adjustments for a couple of months.   
Not long afterwards, I learned quite by accident (one of those little
miraculous "coincidences" I am lucky to experience from time to
time!) about a rare and remarkable kind of therapy that had an almost
instant and long lasting effect on my symptoms after three one-minute
treatments.  It is called NUCCA and deals with the correct alignment
of a very small but critical bone at the base of the skull called the
Atlas.  You can learn more about in on the Internet.  One clear
source of information is here: 

http://www.brooksspinalcare.com/nuccaprocedure.html  
There are not a lot of NUCCA practitioners around.  I found only two
to choose from in San Diego County, and have been very happy with my
progress under the care of the one I chose.  He also provides
another kind of unusual treatment he calls bio-cranial therapy as a
follow-on, and reports that other patients have told him those simple
manipulations have restored their sense of smell, too!   My
vision and dizziness issues are mostly history, and when I have completed
the series of 11 treatments, I expect those and several other issues
which have shown improvement will be more or less permanently
resolved.  It is so nice to no longer be the "pinball
queen" as my husband jokingly nicknamed me when I used to veer into
door jambs and wobble around, to have a lot more energy to trot around
our hillside streets walking our dogs, to smell the bread baking in my
bread machine upon returning home, not to mention being able to read the
computer screen without having it flicker around as if it were a photo
taken while a tremblor was taking place!
As the website shows you, a NUCCA practitioner can tell almost at a
glance if a patient is a likely candidate for NUCCA:  head canted to
left or right, one shoulder and/or hip lower than the other, and a dead
giveaway:  one leg shorter than the other!  When I read that, I
immediately called my husband and asked him to come and tell me if I had
a short leg, as I lay on the floor with both legs stretched out
straight.  With a straight face, he looked and replied, "You
have TWO short legs!"  Funny man.  (I am five feet
tall!)  Seriously, though, yes, one leg was actually half an inch
shorter than the other!  I made an appointment the next day! 
No wonder I responded so positively to the standard NUCCA
manipulation.  NUCCA claims many successes with pains and problems
of all kinds.  Check it out if you are so inclined.  This next
site is a lot more technical in its descriptions, but also provides a
list of many possible problems which have been alleviated by NUCCA
treatments.

http://www.nuccainfo.com/nucca.html
Good luck, and don't forget to stop and smell the roses!  
Marlys



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Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[TREM]

Hi Mary Ann,

Good choice as long as you don't wash them.  Just rinse.

Trem


  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Hey Trem -- how about vodka???  I store my CS in beautiful cobalt blue Sky 
vodka bottles!!  There's no acid in vodka, is there?
  MA




--
  From: TREM 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 3:12:09 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


  Sunny,

  #2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

  I hope this helps you.

  Best regards,

  Trem Williams
  customer_serv...@silvergen.com
  www.silvergen.com


- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Hey all you health seekers,

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm 
gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars? 
 I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is 
it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to 
give away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some 
silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for 
portioning it out.

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say 
my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

A peek into our world... 

Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All


Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 


Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community 
v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life

Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth

Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[Larry Biggar]

Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry
 
Thu, 1/14/10, TREM  wrote:


From: TREM 
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM



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Sunny,
 
#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.
 
I hope this helps you.
 
Best regards,
 
Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production




Hey all you health seekers,
 
I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.
 
1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?
 
2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.
 
3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 
 
What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  
 
 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue bottles 
plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some silver a 
while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic 
bottle.   
 
Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.
 
4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 
 
5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also want 
spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.
 
6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated things.. 
and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say my silver 
is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.
 
Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..
 
A peek into our world... 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
 




  

RE: CS>Cop that young Harry!!

[Neville Munn]

WOAH...!! SOMEONE got out on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
 
Hope your day ends better than it started.
 
Smile, it may never happen!


Things just keep getting better all the time here aye? .

 

{Sorry Boss, this was just too good to pass up, gotta crank that sense of 
humour up once in a while}

 
Er...m...regards..?
 
N.
 






Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:19:04 -0800
From: lbig...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production
To: silver-list@eskimo.com







Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry
 
Thu, 1/14/10, TREM  wrote:


From: TREM 
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM





Sunny,
 
#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.
 
I hope this helps you.
 
Best regards,
 
Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
www.silvergen.com
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: Silver List 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production




Hey all you health seekers,
 
I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.
 
1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?
 
2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.
 
3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 
 
What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  
 
 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue bottles 
plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some silver a 
while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic bottle.  
 
 
Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.
 
4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 
 
5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also want 
spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.
 
6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated things.. 
and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say my silver 
is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.
 
Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..
 
A peek into our world... 
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Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
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Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[MaryAnn Helland]

Wow.  Where did that come from?
MA





From: Larry Biggar 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:19:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM  wrote:


>From: TREM 
>Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM
>
>
>Sunny,
> 
>#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
>detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
>with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items 
>such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
>vwaawls.
> 
>I hope this helps you.
> 
>Best regards,
> 
>Trem Williams
>customer_serv...@silvergen.com
>www.silvergen.com
> 
> 
>- Original Message - 
>>From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
>>To: Silver List 
>>Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM
>>Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production
>>
>>
>>Hey all you health seekers,
>>
>>I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
>>get all the associated 'stuff' as well.
>>
>>1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
>>apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, 
>>or can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round 
>>the outside to keep out the light?
>>
>>2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will 
>>apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason 
>>jars?  I'm wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a 
>>dishwasher.  Is it important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you 
>>recommend.
>>
>>3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
>>away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
>>cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
>>honey, food etc. 
>>
>>What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get 
>>them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something 
>>just there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  
>>
>> I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue 
>>bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.    I bought some 
>>silver a while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue 
>>plastic bottle.   
>>
>>Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
>>it out.
>>
>>4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
>>this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
>>don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
>>daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case 
>>I know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 
>>
>>5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also 
>>want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.
>>
>>6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated 
>>things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to 
>>say my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] 
>>meters.
>>
>>Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...
>>I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
>>maintain wellness ..
>>
>>A peek into our world... 
>>Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All
>>
>>Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
>>wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 
>>
>>Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
>>Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
>>nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
>>going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
>>Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
>> 
>> 

Re: CS>[List Owner] Message size reminder...

[MaryAnn Helland]

Mike?  Mine were one-liners.  Could it be because Sunny's message was included 
at the bottom of my remarks to Trem?  And because Sunny's message was long and 
in huge letters?  If so, I need to trim my posts.
MA





From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 3:18:57 PM
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Message size reminder...

MaryAnn, Sunny, and Dave D. each just sent a message that (barely) 
busted the message size limit for the list, which is 18k bytes.

That amounts to a page or two of fancy formatted text, and up to a 
dozen pages or so of plain-text. Add any kind of graphics or 
attachments and all bets are off! 

The easiest thing to do if a message you post doesn't show up on the 
list within a few minutes is to trim some of the quoted text and re-
send. If you're trying to send a message that spreads out over several 
pages, then you'll almost certainly need to configure your mailer to 
send plain text. 

If you don't know how to set your mail system to send plain-text, 
usually a quick google search for "plain text" and the name of your e-
mail system or program will pop up instructions within the first few 
'hits.'

Let me know if you need assistance.

I usually contact people privately when they do this, but since several 
came in at once, I figured I'd make one message that was 3 times longer 
and send it to everybody for an educational moment. 

Thanks for your patience, all.

Mike D.
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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RE: CS>Cop that young Harry!!

[Hanneke]

LOL Neville...  I'm trying to think how the saying  'Happy as
Larry' would fit in but cranky  was cranked more so.
I hope Larry  knows not only how to bark but also how to
apologise.
At 01:32 PM 15/01/2010, you wrote:
WOAH...!! SOMEONE got out on the
wrong side of the bed this morning?
 
Hope your day ends better than it started.
 
Smile, it may never happen!
Things just keep getting better all the time here aye? .
 
{Sorry Boss, this was just too good to pass up, gotta crank that sense of
humour up once in a while}
 
Er...m...regards..?
 
N.
 


Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:19:04 -0800
From: lbig...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a
moronic low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or
question. In normal type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should
be welcome here! What ever or who ever created you. Needs to put you back
in the test tube! Regards, Larry
 
Thu, 1/14/10, TREM  wrote:



From: TREM 

Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM

Sunny,

 

#2   NEVER wash the
production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or detergent. 
They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic
items such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to
remove.  Use new vwaawls.

 

I hope this helps you.

 

Best regards,

 

Trem Williams



customer_serv...@silvergen.com


www.silvergen.com

 

 


- Original Message - 

From:

Sunwaterclear - Sunny 

To:

Silver List 

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM

Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production

Hey all you health seekers,

 

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as
I'm gonna get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

 

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just
washed out a nice apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought
should the glass be dark, or can I use clear glass with a covering like
tinfoil or black paper round the outside to keep out the light?

 

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen
will apparently output the CS into any jar?   Any
recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm wondering about the
sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it important
what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

 

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us
health and to give away to women's groups with a view to selling it at
half the price of the cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it
for other commodities like honey, food etc. 

 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to
get them and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you
have something just there and can paste it.. that would save more
time.  

 

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in
plastic blue bottles plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid
mix.    I bought some silver a while back at wholefood,
silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic bottle.   

 

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles
for portioning it out.

 

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our
intake.  Is this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink
a pint of it a day. I don't think so.  Is there any recommended
amount that you'd recommend as a daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued
by a specific ailment in which case I know you all have lots of ideas on
how to use silver that way] 

 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low
cost?  I also want spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

 

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and
associated things.. and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this
and be able to say my silver is of x consistency.   Anyone
recommend any good [low cost] meters.

 

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...

I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves
to maintain wellness ..

 

A peek into our world... 

Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for
All

Feed the
Future- The blog In depth articles
- forest gardens,
natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve
and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter -

www.twitter.com/return2earth 

Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food,
community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v
asleep  Info on what's going on and alternative and natural
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Fw: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[MaryAnn Helland]

 
Wow.  Where did that come from?
MA





From: Larry Biggar 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:19:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM  wrote:


Sunny,
> 
>#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
>detergent..  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
>with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items 
>such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
>vwaawls.
> 
>I hope this helps you.
> 
>Best regards,
> 
>Trem Williams 
> 

Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[Deborah Gerard]

How old did you say you are Larry?





From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 10:14:16 PM
Subject: Fw: CS>A few more questions about CS production


 
Wow.  Where did that come from?
MA





From: Larry Biggar 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:19:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM  wrote:


Sunny,
> 
>#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
>detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
>with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items 
>such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
>vwaawls.
> 
>I hope this helps you.
> 
>Best regards,
> 
>Trem Williams 
> 



  

Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

[MaryAnn Helland]

Sorry for the double post.  I thought the original didn't come through because 
of the afore-mentioned size limitations, so I trimmed it all out and sent it 
through again.  Sigh.  But still...Wow!!  Where did that come from?
MA





From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 9:14:16 PM
Subject: Fw: CS>A few more questions about CS production


 
Wow.  Where did that come from?
MA





From: Larry Biggar 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:19:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry

Thu, 1/14/10, TREM  wrote:


Sunny,
> 
>#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
>detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
>with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items 
>such as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new 
>vwaawls.
> 
>I hope this helps you..
> 
>Best regards,
> 
>Trem Williams 
> 

RE: CS>Cop that young Harry!!

[Neville Munn]

Hi there Hanneke,

 

LOL..."Strike me lucky!", the first thing that sprang to mind when reading that 
was old Mo McCackie (Roy Rene).

 

N.
 


Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:39:31 +1030
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: bloss...@internode.on.net
Subject: RE: CS>Cop that young Harry!!

LOL Neville...  I'm trying to think how the saying  'Happy as Larry' would fit 
in but cranky  was cranked more so.

I hope Larry  knows not only how to bark but also how to apologise.

At 01:32 PM 15/01/2010, you wrote:

WOAH...!! SOMEONE got out on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
 
Hope your day ends better than it started.
 
Smile, it may never happen!

Things just keep getting better all the time here aye? .
 
{Sorry Boss, this was just too good to pass up, gotta crank that sense of 
humour up once in a while}
 
Er...m...regards..?
 
N.
 




Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:19:04 -0800
From: lbig...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production
To: silver-list@eskimo.com


Trem, i don't know who you are or what you think you are. But your a moronic 
low cast dispicable low life! If you can't post a notice or question. In normal 
type and in a civil manner. I don't think you should be welcome here! What ever 
or who ever created you. Needs to put you back in the test tube! Regards, Larry
 
Thu, 1/14/10, TREM  wrote:



From: TREM 

Subject: Re: CS>A few more questions about CS production

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:12 PM


Sunny,

 

#2   NEVER wash the production  or storage vessels with liquid soap or 
detergent.  They contain surfactant which is very difficult to remove.  Rinse 
with hot tap water.  Do NOT use any vessel that has contained acidic items such 
as pickles or tomatoes.  The acid is very hard to remove.  Use new vwaawls.

 

I hope this helps you.

 

Best regards,

 

Trem Williams

customer_serv...@silvergen.com

www.silvergen.com

 

 


- Original Message - 

From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 

To: Silver List 

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:04 PM

Subject: CS>A few more questions about CS production


Hey all you health seekers,

 

I've got a few questions about silver before I buy my machine.. as I'm gonna 
get all the associated 'stuff' as well.

 

1.  STORAGE I'm thinking I should store in glass.  I just washed out a nice 
apple juice glass bottle with a handle and thought should the glass be dark, or 
can I use clear glass with a covering like tinfoil or black paper round the 
outside to keep out the light?

 

2.  SILVER GEN AND THE JAR TO USE UNDERNEATH IT The silver gen will apparently 
output the CS into any jar?   Any recommendations - like mason jars?  I'm 
wondering about the sterility of glasses. I don't have a dishwasher.  Is it 
important what I wash my glasses in and if so what do you recommend.

 

3.  SILVER DOSAGE BOTTLES  I want to make this to keep us health and to give 
away to women's groups with a view to selling it at half the price of the 
cheapest colloidal on the market or exchanging it for other commodities like 
honey, food etc. 

 

What kind of bottles would you recommend for this? Any ideas where to get them 
and a source of labels ?  I can research this but if you have something just 
there and can paste it.. that would save more time.  

 

 I use MMS right now and the place we buy from sells it in plastic blue bottles 
plus a blue plastic bottle for the citric acid mix.I bought some silver a 
while back at wholefood, silvergenesis, and that was in a blue plastic bottle.  
 

 

Is plastic bad in all cases ?  should I seek out glass bottles for portioning 
it out.

 

4. DOSAGE - I want to use silver as a regular daily item in our intake.  Is 
this OK? My husband made me laugh saying we might drink a pint of it a day. I 
don't think so.  Is there any recommended amount that you'd recommend as a 
daily dosage [assuming we're not plagued by a specific ailment in which case I 
know you all have lots of ideas on how to use silver that way] 

 

5. WHERE TO BUY Any leads on where to find good bottles, low cost?  I also want 
spray bottles, so that I can spray my gums.

 

6. SILVER TESTING METERS  I hear you all talk about ppm and associated things.. 
and meters for testing silver. I'd like to do this and be able to say my silver 
is of x consistency.   Anyone recommend any good [low cost] meters.

 

Gosh whatalota questions... so thanks for any suggestions...

I'm excited about this new venture in our lives.. preparing ourselves to 
maintain wellness ..

 

A peek into our world... 

Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All


Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 

Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info 

CS>Larry

[Deborah Gerard]

What kind of sauce would you like sir...
sorry Mike..lol


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Message size reminder...

[MaryAnn Helland]

I can do that.  (And did, actually).  But had no idea that the quoted text 
comprised several pages.  How would one recognize that?
MA
P.S. Glad you were onboard to deal with Larry's remarks.  Holy cow.





From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 4:20:39 PM
Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Message size reminder...

Yes, if you put even your one-liner with several pages of quoted text,
the whole package will quickly exceed the limit. I recommend making it
a habit to delete most quoted text and include just enough of the
original to establish the context of your answer.

> Mike?  Mine were one-liners.  Could it be because Sunny's message was
> included at the bottom of my remarks to Trem?  And because Sunny's
> message was long and in huge letters?  If so, I need to trim my posts.
> MA

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Re: CS>storage question

[sol]

At 08:31 AM 1/14/2010, you wrote:

John E. Stevens wrote:

Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.


 That happens to my glass brewing jars, over long periods of time 
without cleaning the jar (usually when I have had to use less than 
ideal distilled water) and has happened to one pint jar in which I 
have stored a very high ppm batch I made years and years ago, the 
inside of that jar is very yellow.
  But I have never seen silver plate out onto the sides of the 
plastic jug in which I store finished CS. It doesn't have the same CS 
sitting in it very long (week or so maybe) but it has CS in it 
constantly. In the 8 years I've been making CS, I've only changed the 
jug once, and it had no plate out, but did have a build up of silver 
oxide (evaporation) around the spout, which I thought looked ugly, so 
I put a new one into use.

sol


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RE: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[sol]

At 09:04 AM 1/14/2010, you wrote:

Does the grey moon start at the top of the moon and progress towards the
inner nail as it gets more pronounced?
I'm not Marshall, but I'm sending you a photo of my thumbnail. Let me 
know what you think.
sol 



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RE: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Neville Munn]

Oops, am I showing my age or what?

 

A blunt stick won't hurt as much I guess, unless one's into toasting 
marshmallows...there's a visual for ya .

 

N.
 


Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:41:34 -0600
From: gaiac...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>To believe or not to believe?










I haven't heard that expression sine my dad passed away.  Only he always said a 
sharp stick.  :-)
 
Samala,
Renee 
 

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CS>washing jars?

[Beth Harrison]

Ok, please forgive my ignorance.   We do have a dishwasher, and I have been 
using quart mason jars,
clean from the dishwasher, dried on high heat, for production of our CSW.  Is 
this not acceptable?
If not, why not?   When it's done, we remove the generator thing and put a lid 
on it, and just use
out of it till it's gone.  In the meantime, I get a clean jar (also been thru 
the DW) out of the  cabinet and make
more.  If I am doing this wrong, please correct me.

thanks much,
Beth H, still a beginner.

RE: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[cking001]

You looking for a Thumbs Up or Thumbs down?

Sorry, saw a chance for thumb fun...

Chuck
I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder
to find one.

On 1/14/2010 10:54:35 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote:
> At 09:04 AM 1/14/2010, you wrote:
> >Does the grey moon start at the top of the moon and progress towards the
> >inner nail as it gets more pronounced?
> I'm not Marshall, but I'm sending you a photo of my thumbnail. Let me
> know what you think.
> sol
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Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[sol]

At 09:33 AM 1/14/2010, you wrote:
The graying on my children's and wife's nails is totally within the 
moons.  It starts at the root of the nail and progresses out toward 
the edge of the moon, and eventually outside the moon over 
time.  There does not seem to be a significant amount of drop off in 
the coloring from the root to the edge of the coloring where it 
simply suddenly disappears.
Even now on her smaller fingers only the root side of the moon on my 
wife's fingers are colored.  When it first appears it will actually 
be under the cuticle and slowly progress out from there.

Marshall,
  The color in the moons of my nails appears differently than you 
describe. On some fingers the actual moon of the nail is bluish grey, 
but in my thumbnails the moon at the cuticle edge is red in a sort of 
half circle, then there is a pale grey arc within the moon after the 
red, then outside the moon there is a rim of dark slatish and 
somewhat even reddish in some lights color that appears to sort of 
"feather" outward from the moon edge.
  Be glad to send you photos if you would be so kind as to give me 
your comments.

thanks,
sol 



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Re: CS>Cop that young Harry!!

[Annie B Smythe]

Mercury in Retro until Jan 15 but doesn't go 
forward until Feb 4. I know it's superstitious but 
dang I've noticed a lot of miscommunications 
lately, and extra problems with emails and stuff.



Annie
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and 
not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign 
hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)



If we could sell our experiences for what they 
cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Neville Munn wrote:

  WOAH...!! SOMEONE got out on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
 
Hope your day ends better than it started.
 
Smile, it may never happen!


Things just keep getting better all the time here aye? .
 
{Sorry Boss, this was just too good to pass up, gotta crank that sense 
of humour up once in a while}
 
Er...m...regards..?
 
N.



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Re: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Annie B Smythe]

LMAO @ Chuck's siggy:)

Annie

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and 
not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign 
hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)



If we could sell our experiences for what they 
cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

You looking for a Thumbs Up or Thumbs down?

Sorry, saw a chance for thumb fun...

Chuck
I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder
to find one.



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RE: CS>To believe or not to believe?

[Renee]

Lol--I never thought of it that way.

Once I was at an encampment and it was raining.  Most everyone was huddled
under trees, umbrellas, hoodies, sitting around campfires.  One guy was
walking by our fire, all hunched over, and said "think the rain will hurt
the asparagus?" and kept walking.

One of the guys in our group said back "not if it's in the can".

The first guy did an actual, honest-to-goodness double take.  First time I
ever saw that and I laughed, it was so funny.  But he said "you are the very
first person ever to have given me the right answer back.  That was my Dad's
favorite saying and I've said it to people ever since he's passed away, and
no one answered me right".

I'd never heard the saying, and the guy in our camp said that he'd always
heard "think the rain will hurt the BEANS".  

I find sayings fascinating.  They are mostly regional, and time sensitive.

Samala,
Renee