Re: CSabout niacin
Thank you Dan:) That certainly helps clear up the confusion. I got sidetracked by some reading on selenium and magnesium, and totally forgot about that question. Sigh, I'm a magpie. Just dangle something interesting in front of me and I'm distracted. It's a sparkly. :) Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Dan Nave wrote: Inositol hexanicotinate http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:bCUKDv-dY7EJ:www.nutritiongeeks.com/hgh-surge-sn/hgh-surge-sn.html+buy+hgh+surgecd=6hl=enct=clnkgl=us Fatty Acid Metabolism Reducing fatty acid levels in the blood is associated with increased release of HGH. Acetyl L-carnitine and niacin are potent nutrients that help to metabolize fatty acids. Inositol hexanicotinate is a slow release form of niacin that does not produce a flushing response, and has been demonstrated to produce a significant reduction in fatty acid levels over the course of the entire night. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbromine in breads
This sounds like a very industrious, busy person! The reason I am overweight is because I can't be bothered to eat well, and just grab a piece of plastic bread and stick some jam on it! I HATE cooking more than anything else, even more than housework! dee On 7 Feb 2010, at 21:31, Tad Winiecki wrote: Sol wrote: Sol- I have found that gluten is a problem for me, and had to give up wheat breads. I used to make sourdough, I don't really miss it because I know what it will do to me if I eat it, but I had a little attack of nostalgia recently. One of the supermarket women's magazines recently featured a diet free from gluten, saying gluten causes unhealthy weight gain and the gluten-free grains don't. So I do eat some gluten-free grains, like buckwheat, quinoa, rice, millet, and amaranth. I don't try to make breads out of them for the most part, but eat them just cooked in water, with savory vegetables like onion, garlic, and some mushrooms, and some vegetable accompaniment like zucchini, broccoli, asparagus, spinach, kale, etc. I also like them with some herbal topping (present fav- fennel seed ground in a coffee grinder, dillweed, and parmesan cheese) or lemon pepper, and melted cheese or sour cream. I use either tea (for the caffeine to speed up the metabolism) or honey and apple cider vinegar as an aid to losing weight, they seem to be working for me. For my birthday cake last time I made pumpkin cheese cake with no grains, sweetened with stevia, and with nut, cinnamon, and stevia crust, and topped it with vanilla whipping cream sweetened with stevia. It was yummy. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbromine in breads
That's where the mad phantom dump truck driver haunts the landscape, isn't it ?...The high plateaunothing there but fairly small windswept piles of barren dirt and a few faded mobile homes clustered around an oil rig every 90 or so miles and a string of gnarly trees marching along a river bed now and then. Even the tumbleweeds are lonesome and few. Yea, there are places in the USA where it's one somewhat addled person per square mile...everything is imported to that Mars on Earth. [so why not import the good stuff?] More barren..there's a huge pea gravel pit somewhere South of Brice Canyon country with NO people per square mile or any dirt at all...not even a lost and lonesome tumbleweed. Amazing places to not live in. [Takes a half tank of gas just to get home from a gas station. ] Ode At 11:40 AM 2/7/2010 -0700, you wrote: At 05:25 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote: Where the heck do ya live, Sol? southwest corner of wyoming, high altitude desert Wayne Fugitt once told me if I would write him the details of the climate and soil here he could help me grow some serious food.I sent those details, and he didn't have any help for me, LOL. He might have told me to get a huge greenhouse, but if he did I don't remember it. I figure if Wayne, gardener/grower extraordinaire felt this was a hopeless climate for gardening food.well sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?
If this is the case and is true, why is it that *our* silver works perfectly well then? My dog has just been cured of sickness and inertia with a day of ionic silver, when other dogs which exhibited similar symptoms have had to be hospitalised on drips. You cannot fool animals! Also, our family has all had colds but thats all they have had. It hasn't developed into a real illness like my friends have. dee On 7 Feb 2010, at 22:51, poast wrote: Hello Ode, Thank you so much for sharing the name of David A. Revelli. He, and Brigam Young University, have been involved in a lot of testing that puts CS in a very favorable light. However, the water test was done with nano-catalytic silver particles with a tetrasilver tetroxide coating that emit a frequency that kills microbes. I am not sure the EIS that you and I make shares these qualities. http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/General_Studies/Ionic_vs._Metallic_and_Particle_Size.pdf -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbromine in breads
Dee: you sound like a rebellious woman. Hmmnnn. You sound like you're in a dangerous health situation with your eating habits. At this later stage in life (68 yrs), there is NOTHING more important than what you eat and the water you drink that you put in your body. Cooking is one of the most important things you can do - and cooking correctly is the mot important thing you can do for the temple. As an artist, teacher and musician, I used to think that my work superseded everything else I did, but I was wrong. When a disease hit me in my early 30's which the doctors couldn't cure, it wised me up to just how important our nutrient intake is. If I recall correctly, you mentioned you were not feeling well at one point and stopped taking your supplements. If I were you, I'd look at my food intake first as the major problem. It's nice to be aware that CSW works to kill many bacterias, etc., but prevention of disease comes with food, nutrient and supplemental usage. i'm not the best of house cleaners, either, but food - nothing is more important. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: This sounds like a very industrious, busy person! The reason I am overweight is because I can't be bothered to eat well, and just grab a piece of plastic bread and stick some jam on it! I HATE cooking more than anything else, even more than housework! dee On 7 Feb 2010, at 21:31, Tad Winiecki wrote: Sol wrote: Sol- I have found that gluten is a problem for me, and had to give up wheat breads. I used to make sourdough, I don't really miss it because I know what it will do to me if I eat it, but I had a little attack of nostalgia recently. One of the supermarket women's magazines recently featured a diet free from gluten, saying gluten causes unhealthy weight gain and the gluten-free grains don't. So I do eat some gluten-free grains, like buckwheat, quinoa, rice, millet, and amaranth. I don't try to make breads out of them for the most part, but eat them just cooked in water, with savory vegetables like onion, garlic, and some mushrooms, and some vegetable accompaniment like zucchini, broccoli, asparagus, spinach, kale, etc. I also like them with some herbal topping (present fav- fennel seed ground in a coffee grinder, dillweed, and parmesan cheese) or lemon pepper, and melted cheese or sour cream. I use either tea (for the caffeine to speed up the metabolism) or honey and apple cider vinegar as an aid to losing weight, they seem to be working for me. For my birthday cake last time I made pumpkin cheese cake with no grains, sweetened with stevia, and with nut, cinnamon, and stevia crust, and topped it with vanilla whipping cream sweetened with stevia. It was yummy. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: silver help with lymes type?
There is a book written by an MD (I can't recall his name, damn) who cured his Lyme with colloidal silver water. John On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:14 PM, poast po...@prodigy.net wrote: Hello Greg, You may find this article informative... http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Human_Studies/Lymes%27s%20Testimonial.pdf Tom - Original Message - *From:* Greg Ball granb...@msn.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:37 PM *Subject:* CSRE: silver help with lymes type? Dick - what type of silver were you using - what generator? I've always heard silver isn't a cure for lyme. Did you and the others you mentioned have it for long? I've had it for over 20 years - was misdiagnosed for about 17 years. I have a silvergen, and it's not made much of a difference with the lyme when I've used it for some time. That's why I was wondering about the ACS. Also you see mesosilver out there on the web saying it's the most effective kind of silver out there. So I was wondering if there's a silver that can be more effective than my silvergen makes like the two above mentioned. Thanks It cured my lyme, and my wife's, and the guy's who taught me how to make CS, and hosts of other people he has cured... Dick -- *From:* Greg Ball granb...@msn.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 11:18:28 PM *Subject:* CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #161 I'm dealing with late stage lyme disease and babesia. I have a silvergen and have used silver for 20 years for infections like bladder or lung infections. I've been hearing about silver for lyme, but it's the doctor who developed the ACS brand of silver who's saying it can kill lyme. I've always heard silver won't eradicate lyme. I'm wondering if you think it can reduce my bacteria load, and the protazoan load (babesia). If so, is ACS better than other brands? Or is there a better brand? Or is my silvergen silver as good? Thanks!
CSFwd: request your help
-- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:15 AM Subject: request your help To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net I just started a new Facebook group called the Colloidal Silver Secrets Group. The idea of the group is to give colloidal silver users a forum from which they can discuss their own use of colloidal silver -- i.e., why they use it, how they use it, what their results are, etc. Before I officially launch the group, I'm trying to seed it with group members, so it won't look so empty when new readers come to check it out. If you're a Facebook member, I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider going to this linkhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photosgid=285212734559#%21/group.php?v=wallgid=285212734559and joining my new Colloidal Silver Secrets group, and maybe even posting a comment about your own usage of colloidal silver -- particularly if you have something positive to share. Thanks for helping me get things rolling! Steve Barwick
Re: CSbromine in breads
I know John, but unfortunately I just hate cooking! I try not to eat too much that is bad i.e. sugar and do eat veggies if I'm doing them for others, but just cannot be bothered for myself. I am 66 and actually have been healthy all my life - at least, I haven't had anything that made me ill other than gall stones. I have had this bone tiredness, but only when I have taken supplements together, funnily enough. I'm now taking vit C plus lysine and vit D3 and seem to be fine on those, so I will stick with them. Thank you for your interest and information. dee On 8 Feb 2010, at 13:02, John E. Stevens wrote: Dee: you sound like a rebellious woman. Hmmnnn. You sound like you're in a dangerous health situation with your eating habits. At this later stage in life (68 yrs), there is NOTHING more important than what you eat and the water you drink that you put in your body. Cooking is one of the most important things you can do - and cooking correctly is the mot important thing you can do for the temple. As an artist, teacher and musician, I used to think that my work superseded everything else I did, but I was wrong. When a disease hit me in my early 30's which the doctors couldn't cure, it wised me up to just how important our nutrient intake is. If I recall correctly, you mentioned you were not feeling well at one point and stopped taking your supplements. If I were you, I'd look at my food intake first as the major problem. It's nice to be aware that CSW works to kill many bacterias, etc., but prevention of disease comes with food, nutrient and supplemental usage. i'm not the best of house cleaners, either, but food - nothing is more important. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Isn't this the fellow that was running the scare thing about Europe banning silver making products? dee On 8 Feb 2010, at 13:24, John E. Stevens wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:15 AM Subject: request your help To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net I just started a new Facebook group called the Colloidal Silver Secrets Group. The idea of the group is to give colloidal silver users a forum from which they can discuss their own use of colloidal silver -- i.e., why they use it, how they use it, what their results are, etc. Before I officially launch the group, I'm trying to seed it with group members, so it won't look so empty when new readers come to check it out. If you're a Facebook member, I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider going to this link and joining my new Colloidal Silver Secrets group, and maybe even posting a comment about your own usage of colloidal silver -- particularly if you have something positive to share. Thanks for helping me get things rolling! Steve Barwick
RE: CSbromine in breads
Hi Sol, Actually that'd be great too - I've got a bread machine and haven't used it in awhile as I've never been quite satisfied with the results. A tried and true recipe sounds awesome. Thanks :-) Lisa _ From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSbromine in breads Lisa, I don't bake those types of bread. What I bake is for my DH, who won't eat crusty bread, will not eat anything but white bread, no whole grain, not even partial whole grain, and wouldn't touch sourdough bread with a pole. If you want a good recipe for regular old white bread, I can send you the one I use in the bread machine. Haven't baked anything else since the machine arrived. sol At 06:48 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote: Hi Sol, Would you be willing to share a couple of your best bread recipes? I have yet to master the art of making bread the way you can get it from a bakery (baguettes, French, scalia, sourdough etc.)
Re: CSFwd: request your help
It isn't a scare technique. The EU will dispose of CSW in evolutionary steps over a period of time - not in a one-time shot deal. Like the way King Pharma came into credibility discrediting homepathic doctors in the early 19th century. It's progressive evolution - please keep an eye on it. I think Steve's ideas are very good and with much more integrity than most money gobbling CSW machine makers. I don't see any of them doing anything for the movement. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:24 AM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:15 AM Subject: request your help To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net I just started a new Facebook group called the Colloidal Silver Secrets Group. The idea of the group is to give colloidal silver users a forum from which they can discuss their own use of colloidal silver -- i.e., why they use it, how they use it, what their results are, etc. Before I officially launch the group, I'm trying to seed it with group members, so it won't look so empty when new readers come to check it out. If you're a Facebook member, I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider going to this linkhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photosgid=285212734559#%21/group.php?v=wallgid=285212734559and joining my new Colloidal Silver Secrets group, and maybe even posting a comment about your own usage of colloidal silver -- particularly if you have something positive to share. Thanks for helping me get things rolling! Steve Barwick
Re: CSbromine in breads
Just some input about bread machines, I bought one several years ago, and it always made the crust on the bread too hard, probably the machine got too hot, so now I use it on the dough cycle only, then take it out of the machine and make my own loaf. You can use several different recipes this way. I've recently bought a flour mill and mill my own whole wheat flour, still working with it to get a 'good loaf' with just WW flour and no white flour added. Thanks, Kathy - Original Message - From: Lisa To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: RE: CSbromine in breads Hi Sol, Actually that'd be great too - I've got a bread machine and haven't used it in awhile as I've never been quite satisfied with the results. A tried and true recipe sounds awesome. Thanks J Lisa -- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSbromine in breads Lisa, I don't bake those types of bread. What I bake is for my DH, who won't eat crusty bread, will not eat anything but white bread, no whole grain, not even partial whole grain, and wouldn't touch sourdough bread with a pole. If you want a good recipe for regular old white bread, I can send you the one I use in the bread machine. Haven't baked anything else since the machine arrived. sol At 06:48 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote: Hi Sol, Would you be willing to share a couple of your best bread recipes? I have yet to master the art of making bread the way you can get it from a bakery (baguettes, French, scalia, sourdough etc.)
Re: CSFDA approval [Trigger word, beware of rant]
Who made who what king? The problem is that people believe that doctors are gods with all the answers and if they get one wrong, because no two people are the same. they can sue them. That puts otherwise caring individuals [doctors] inside a box of rules from which they cannot wander without a great deal of risk...and an industry to feed that box with approved substances..approved by another bunch that can't afford to test anything because the people that set them up to make those decisions FOR them, won't pay for what it takes to do that. So now it's EXTREMELY expensive partly because now it's that industry that can be sued when no two people are the same and THEY have to pay for all that testing.which gives them a really good reason to fudge the data. Most of those substances do originate from foods and herbs which people could eat and use, but don't. Doing so entails taking your OWN risks and maybe actually learning something the hard way. And those people expect to live forever with someone else to blame when it's not looking likely, but don't and never did. And those people believe that foods and herbs can't be just as poisonous as the substances derived from them. The problem is unreasonable expectations with some one else set up to take the blame when they are what they are. You can step out of that box of limits, but then. it's all on YOU. [And suing yourself for not being a god doesn't pay very well] Can't have THAT. Most people don't have the guts to live their own life, but blame the jailers for the cage they won't leave even when there is no lock on the door. If you HAVE stepped out, the cage is no longer relevant and any complaints are just BS. You can step in AND out at will, but now that's YOUR will and no one to blame for where you areany complaints are just BS again. I mean, you go to the doctor because YOU believe that if you don't, YOU believe you will be dead. If you don't go you will be dead and if you die after you do...it's the DOCTORS fault. [??] Even if he isn't a god and DID screw it up, had you not gone, you'd still be gone, according to YOU. Just because you hand the risk off, paying someone else to take it, doesn't mean there isn't any. In the wilderness where natural is natural and Loony Toons expectations get you dead and ice is slippery and cliffs have this nasty habit of keeping gravity around...there's no one to watch your step but you. You can scream at the sky all you want. The sky doesn't care and it's not going to pay. But it will send some buzzards to take care of your body should you screw it up. I think I might just prefer a fast grizzly over a slow death, left helplessly begging for it, too frail to even shoot myself and some poor sucker left to clean up. At least somebody gets a decent meal out of it and I won't be torturing myself for years on end using someone else because I'M afraid of something that will happen no matter what ANYONE does. The only thing anyone has is some degree of influence. NO ONE is in charge. If you believe someone else is, all you are doing is limiting your own influence and making your decision to not decide, their fault. It's not much of a wonder that a hired fall guy wants to be paid well to be hung when he's not the GOD that no one is. He just ain't gonna buy the rope you string him up with. Only Jesus carries his own cross without you paying guards to make him do it. If it ain't your life to lose, it ain't yours to live. And if you gave it away and somebody else looses it for ya, is there really a difference in the end? ..other than maybe making a lot of smoke and noise spinning your wheels before the crashnot likely. And of course, driving with the emergency brake on wastes a lot of pricey gas, makes your wheels hot and the scenery go by so slow and dull that you go to sleep at the wheel and crash anyway. Every turn is a blind turn. If you keep going, you might hit something and eventually will, but if you stop, you get run over for sure. Approval seekers are but wieners inviting somebody else to bite their buns...demanding some king to do it so they can blame him for their lack of teeth. Where there is a demand, there *shalt be* a supply. The only question is the cost. Kings get to demand their own price by default. What is it that keeps the serf from just walking off the manor? I never could figger out why anyone with legs would stay in a ghetto when anywhere else couldn't be worse and walking will get you somewhere else every time. This ain't it isn't the prison, it's what sets you free to find what IS it. Hope is a trap, despair is power that can no longer be denied. Who defines what despair is ??? [It ain't the king..HE wants you to hope because if you don't, he's done.] Hope AND change? Not a chance. There's an old saying: Hope in one hand and shit in the other..then see which grows flowers faster or
Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?
The photographic process which causes argyria is normally associated with silver halides, such as silver chloride and bromide. So one might assume that silver citrate, which is more stable than silver chloride might not be a problem. Unfortunately experience with Silver Oz which is silver citrate has shown that it too can cause argyria. Marshall sol wrote: What about silver citrate? There have been discussions on this list on how to make it. But I have read that silver citrate is also highly likely to cause argryia? Is that not true? sol At 12:28 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote: That sounds fine. That's what I do as well. I don't think there is any difference between CS and EIS for purposes of this forum. EIS is Electrically Isolated Silver, which is a form of CS, with around 10-20% colloidal silver particles, and 80-90% ionic silver particles, which I understand are AgOH. CS is what most people call EIS. In fact the only place I have heard EIS is on this forum. The rest of the world calls it CS. EIS is more accurate, I believe, only because there are other ways to make CS, such as from nano-silver-powder, which apparently involves no electricity. So I suppose it's good to distinguish them by using the abbrev EIS. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?
Richard Goodwin wrote: I keep hearing that: once silver ions hit the salty stomach or blood, they become silver chloride... But, something was already x-chloride in both stomach and blood -- sodium chloride? So what does silver do? Push the sodium aside and take over the chloride ions? How does it do that? And what happens to the sodium ions? Or does an excess of positive ions of whatever kind go unmatched with the lesser number of negative ones? Silver like any other element will react in such a way that it goes from less stable to more stable. The order of stability for silver compounds was posted on this list by me just a couple of weeks ago. If you look at it you will see that silver citrate is MORE stable than silver chloride, and thus will not convert from the citrate state to the chloride state when it enters the stomach, or blood stream. In the stomach the silver combines with the HCl in the stomach, producing silver chloride if it is of a less stable form than silver chloride. For example the silver hydroxide AgOH in EIS will combine with HCl in the stomach producing AgCl and H2O, dihydrogen monoxide, also known as water. However silver nitrate will produce nitric acid when it reacts with HCl, and is why it is so corrosive and toxic. Marshall Help! Dick *From:* Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 5:59:46 PM *Subject:* Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? I was skirting this because it is a secondary issue. Silver ions are very active and will form compounds with the first substance it can. Silver ions do not survive the digestive system as free ions. They probably react with stomach acid to primarily form silver chloride. The silver may also react with other substances such as ammopnia to form other compounds. But they do not remain as silver ions. - Steve N *From*: poast po...@prodigy.net *To*: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent*: Fri Feb 05 16:03:24 2010 *Subject*: Re: CS Hello Steve, OK, I am beginning to understand. I have looked at the Altman paper, but have not studied it. I will take another look at it, in detail. If I may present a somewhat weak argument... Doesn't it stand to reason that if you take more, you will not only ingest more ions, but also more particles. Perhaps the elimination through the kidney is just because there is more of both in the body... Back to the books, for now. Thanks. Tom - Original Message - *From:* Norton, Steve mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 10:43 AM *Subject:* CS Tom, I am not suggesting daily use over use as needed. There was a time when I first used EIS I used it several times a day. It allowed me to get off a long term dependence on antibiotics. Now I take it when I think I need it. As to why I think that large doses of EIS do not significantly increase the effectiveness of EIS is a little more complex and somewhat controversial. It has to do with how EIS is processed in the body. The best clue to that comes from the Altman Silver Excretion Study. You can find the study at the Silver Medicine web site. Unfortunately the study pnly provides clues but not definitive answers. That is where the interpretation I mentioned in may previous post is important. IMO the important issue is whether the silver eliminated by the kidney is is in solution or particulate form. Silver in solution is far more active than silver in particulate form. There are varying opinions on that question. One of the more popular theories is that it is a soluble silver/ammonia compound is formed and since it contains ammonia it is removed by the kidney. However I have found that one of the most likely ammonia compounds, Ag(NH3)2, is eliminated by the liver and not the kidney. While I cannot say it with absolute certainly, my research indicates that all silver compounds in solution are removed by the liver. For various reasons it appaers that taking large ammounts of EIS predominately increases the amount of silver that excretes through the kidney which is therefore the much less effective particulate form. So I suggested two complementary methods that will increase the silver that is in solution while reducing the amount in particulate form. One is holding additional EIS in the mouth to allow transport of silver ions through the mucosal tissues without swallowing. The other is contained in the note regarding the use of Gatortade. I hope this helps. - Steve - Original Message - From: poast po...@prodigy.net
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Who do you mean? And how do you know they aren't? dee On 8 Feb 2010, at 15:02, John E. Stevens wrote: It isn't a scare technique. The EU will dispose of CSW in evolutionary steps over a period of time - not in a one-time shot deal. Like the way King Pharma came into credibility discrediting homepathic doctors in the early 19th century. It's progressive evolution - please keep an eye on it. I think Steve's ideas are very good and with much more integrity than most money gobbling CSW machine makers. I don't see any of them doing anything for the movement. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:24 AM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #161
Greg Ball wrote: I'm dealing with late stage lyme disease and babesia. I have a silvergen and have used silver for 20 years for infections like bladder or lung infections. I've been hearing about silver for lyme, but it's the doctor who developed the ACS brand of silver who's saying it can kill lyme. I've always heard silver won't eradicate lyme. I'm wondering if you think it can reduce my bacteria load, and the protazoan load (babesia). If so, is ACS better than other brands? Or is there a better brand? Or is my silvergen silver as good? Thanks! Silver can easily eradicate early stage lyme. The problem with late stage lyme is that it finds hiding places where silver cannot reach it, but it can still be killed by other things that can get to it. The trick is us use a protocol that has complimentary actions so that all the lyme are killed. The Bob Beck protocol has been used successfully to eradicate lyme by a number of people I know. Colloidal silver is one part of his very useful protocol. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?
If silver-tet works it's because it emits or exposes silver ions on a molecular level. Filters stay sterile because the ion exchange resins emit [exchange] ions and/or make ions on the surface of the resin that contact the water. [in which a bio film would grow] If they emit enough ions, or if all of the water contacts the resin surface, then the water becomes sterile as well. Potable water sterilization systems on merchant marine ships are no different than our CS generators. It doesn't use silver coated filters. Just try and get an electromagnetic frequency to travel in water like it would in space, then tell submariners about it 'cause they'd love to know and get away from ELF that's slow enough for the pulse ionization of sea water to make a detectable difference. If that's not the case then the wave is long enough to find space between water molecules...but then it has to miss a whole lot of water molecules. .anything that has to do with electrons in a liquid is pretty much ionic. A Zapper makes acid and base electrochemical byproducts out of the salt ions in the blood to transfer electrons around. Scientist often write reports based on what those who pay them want to prove...and...hide. Leave a little detail out ? It just sounds different without changing the principles. Cars are more complicated than bicycles and they aren't the same thing, but they both move on wheels and *do* the same thing the same way. [roll] Ode At 02:51 PM 2/7/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Ode, Thank you so much for sharing the name of David A. Revelli. He, and Brigam Young University, have been involved in a lot of testing that puts CS in a very favorable light. However, the water test was done with nano-catalytic silver particles with a tetrasilver tetroxide coating that emit a frequency that kills microbes. I am not sure the EIS that you and I make shares these qualities. http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/General_Studies/Ionic_vs._Metallic_and_Particle_Size.pdf I am somewhat familiar with water treatment. I will have to do some more studying, but I was under the impression that the silver used for water filters was to prevent biofilm from growing between batch use of the filters. I don't think it is used to actually prufiy the water, but rather to keep it from becoming contaminated during the filtering process. The Brigam Young people have also run tests indicating that their silver doesn't seem to effect healthy intestinal flora bacteria while still being effective at killing pathogenic bacteria. Interesting... http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Safety_Studies/Selective%20Antimicrobial%20Activity%20of%20ASAP-AGX-32%20Silver%20Solution%20against%20Probiotics%20%28Dr.%20Ron%20Leavitt%29.pdf Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:18 AM Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? Brigham Young University did a detailed time/PPM/kill study. Don't recall details well, but [probably] as little as 3 PPB sterilized water over some period of time, where 3 PPM did it a lot faster. David A. Revelli Microbiologist Brigham Young University Dr. Ron W. Leavitt, Ph.D. Professor of Microbiology/Molecular Biology Commercial silver ion water treatment systems have been available for decades and are used by the merchant marines, various airlines, NASA., some water treatment plants both in the USA and Russia. Honeywell Rockwell and others us Ag-Ion [TM] silver ion exchange resins to keep filters sterile. Curad silver bandaids work by using body fluids as the electrolyte to make silver ions migrate from a silver fabric layer to an aluminum fabric layer. [Battery effect] http://www.silverinstitute.org/medical_applications.php The newest trend is the use of nano-silver particles to deliver silver ions. ANY chemical reaction involves the exchange of ions [??] I sorta recall hearing that the the whole field of chemistry can be expressed in electrical terms. Copper and zinc [and many other] ions will also kill germs. ode At 01:52 PM 2/6/2010 -0800, you wrote:  Hello Steve, I am begining to realize that the exact mechanism of how silver works inside the body is still a little theoritical... Let's jump outside the body for just a moment. Other sanatizers require a concentration of the product to be in contact with the pathogen for a period of time. With chlorine dioxide, for example, the CT values allow you to adjust the process time for the concentration you are using. When disinfecting wilderness water, I use a CT of 1000 mg-minutes/liter. When I mix up a 4 PPM chlorine dioxide solution, I know that to sanatize a liter of water it is going to take 250 minutes. If I have lots of time, and am concerned with better taste, I can reduce the concentration to 2 PPM chlorine dioxide, and extend the time out to 500 minutes.
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Thanks for forwarding that report/request, John. A tactical suggestion from me: If anyone chooses to participate, please do so. Telling our personal stories about silver use in a sympathetic public forum is a good way to balance some of the bias that's out there. While doing so, please don't be in any way adversarial with other people or with Mr. Barwick. I'd rather we maintain a supportive relationship with others in the alternative health movement. When people come here for information, we'll tell them what we believe and where it differs from others' ideas and let them make up their own minds. That's our main mission, not campaigning for our point of view. Thank you, Mike D. da list owner guy [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Archive update...
Hi folks, Just want to let you know I'm still working on the archive. It has not been and will not be forgotten! grin Gary Hawkins provided me with an archive of Silver List and Rife List posts for the time before I joined the group, in early April '97. Unfortunately, they're in a text format rather than a proper mailbox file, and I'm going have to go through and rather laboriously reconstruct it into a form that the archives will accept. The delay's going to be a few extra days, but I think it's worth a little bit of effort. Completing the history of the group is kinda fun, actually. smile If anybody here was there back then, or is still friends with anybody who was there back then, you can still save me some time and labor if you can come up with a proper message archive for late '96 through mid '97. I'd appreciate it! Thanks, all. Mike D. list owner and digital archaeologist... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
I agree. Many times I have put down something I was looking at maybe purchasing when I saw those words Approved by te FDA. That is one big red flag for me, and I am not taking anything that says that on it, and hope to keep it that way. Marshall John E. Stevens wrote: Dick: I think you're daydreaming... I don't think CSW (silver) will ever be approved by the FDA because it isn't patentable and King Pharma couldn't make any money on it. Silver was used as a natural antibiotic extensively before pharmaceuticals came (sickly) into their own. The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. And anything approved by the FDA is something I, personally, wouldn't use. Not even aspirin... What the FDA approves is very dangerous to life and living, as is exemplified over and over again. John On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: I understand that. Most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by all the TLAs out there: FDA, AMA, FTC, ... But if silver were FDA approved, then it could be given the legitimacy of advertising, doctor Rx, etc., that the other meds have. And best of all, we would own all the proceeds, not big pharma. But that would be just icing on the cake. It would require that somebody set up a company to do the work, and that it have thousands of investors to fund it. I would certainly contribute. Dick *From:* martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 10:21:03 PM *Subject:* Re: CSFDA approval By the time we convince the rest of the world. We will all be dead. How many people have you told and they think it is crazy. I used to tell people that were dying of mesothelioma to help improve their immune system. Remember these people are dying. Very few listen... In a message dated 2/5/2010 6:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHeres how to get FDA approval.
At 11:18 AM 2/8/2010 +1030, you wrote: Collecting a million anecdotes will not do it. The only way the FDA will approve CS is if clinical human trials are conducted. And as I've said here before the only body in the US with the money and the duty to conduct a trial is the National Centre for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine. (NCCAM) http://nccam.nih.gov/ NCCAM is a part of the US health department. They have a relatively huge budget, and IT IS IN THEIR CHARTER TO RESEARCH STUFF LIKE CS To quote from the NCCAM website ...The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) is the Federal Government's lead agency for scientific research on the diverse medical and health care systems, practices, and products that are NOT GENERALLY CONSIDERED PART OF CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE. David # Humm What if it's not considered to be a part of unconventional medicine either? [Ode] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfruit and veg in Belize
Hi Ode, Greetings from Belize ! It was actually the English - when Belize was British Honduras - who banned anyone growing fresh vegetables so they could sell the Belizeans lots of canned vegetables from Europe .!! Consequently several generations never learned to grow anything for themselves so it never took off , even after the English departed. However an awful lot of amazing fruit and veg does grow by itself in Belize if you search for it but otherwise Belize is full of people with obesity and diabetes like all countries that follow the US diet. Keep it up Ode , your machines and scribbles are the best , Richard On 07/02/2010, at 8:39, Ode Coyote wrote: I'm assuming you speak of conditions in Australia? A few years ago I was amazed to find that the common as dirt [here in N America] canning jar was a collectors item there. Also, that growing vegetables was considered beneath one in Belizeno man would ever stoop so low. Agreed, there is a dependency shakeup in the works. [where peeps will probably kill for ANY food believing in their own helplessness. ] There's a hundred ways to do just about anything. Corporations became what they are by doing them...and others believing they can't. Yet, no matter where you go there's a Black Market of non believers supplying whatever will sell, legal or not. Ode We need a revolution, or a depression, I don't care which comes first. As I think I said earlier, I can see the day when some will actually KILL for quality food. If that sounds ridiculous or science fiction...then let's wait and see...There IS a breaking point! N. -- If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK Shopping Trolley Mechanic -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com ATOMICSILVER atomicsil...@gmail.com www.atomicsilver.info
Re: CSlab results
At 05:03 PM 2/7/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Ode, A few thoughts... Most people don't adhere to laboratory procedures. When baking a cake, a precisely measured cake tastes just as good as one that has been thrown together. However, in chemistry things are different. One of the biggest challenges in chemistry is to minimize cross contamination. When you get to the point where you are measuring micro amounts (as in uS), any trace of contamination can throw the measurement off. Pure water is used in industry and one of the major difficulties is knowing how pure it actually is. Here is an informative article on this focused on the calibration solutions provided by the meter manufacturers. As you read this, keep in mind that the Hanna PWT meter calibration solution is rated at 84 uS, which is below their value of 100 uS. http://www2.emersonprocess.com/siteadmincenter/PM%20Rosemount%20Analytical%20Documents/Liq_Article_61-1511_200706.pdf Cole-Parmer offers this note on the FAQ for conductivity testing... 16. Is there an expiration date on the standardizing solutions? Unopened with an unbroken seal, the solution will last one year. Opened, but placed in an airtight container, the solution will last six months. Opened and exposed to air, the solution will last one day. Note: Standards below 100 uS will degrade at a faster rate than others due to air. The conductivity of air is approximately 120 uS; any standard lower than 120 uS will slowly rise in conductivity until it reaches a state of equilibrium. Evaporation drastically increases conductivity values. It seems that the calibration solution wants to rise in conductivity to 120 uS... ## 120 uS might be the saturation point of that solution? Any more water missing and you get nonconductive crystals? Air certainly doesn't conduct at 120 uS..it's WAY higher than that and what the meter will read...in the air. They may be referring to the formation of Carbonic Acid when CO2 and water meet. Just for grins... I re-calibrated the PWT to simulate a contaminated calibration solution. My 123 uS solution was used, but I set the PWT to read 84 uS. Here is what I observed: My distilled water was reading 1.1 uS. With the mis-calibrated PWT, that dropped to 0.6 uS. I just made a batch of EIS that came in at 11.4 us, and that solution dropped to 7.6 uS. In this case the adjustment factor is 1.5. ## The most important thing when using meters is to have both the meter and the sample at the same temperature. and don't be warming one up while using the other..like holding the sample in your hand. Temperature Compensation isn't quite what it's promoted as...if only in inexplicable effect. But with no difference, it doesn't matter. Is it possible that Trem's 1.2 factor may be influenced by calibration errors? ## Could be anything. Can't really expect a whole lot out of a meter but a good guess. Another question that arises is if the calibration solution can become contaminated by CO2, can CO2 also have an effect on the newly made EIS solution? Tom ## Sure..Silver Carbonate can form from Carbonic Acid from exposure to CO2 and make a batch go cruddy grey in the sun So can Oxygen oxidize ions into Silver Oxide and go yellow. Takes a while for gasses to dissolve into water in a significant manner. A narrow neck storage bottle limits the surface area of CS exposed to air and with a tighter seal on the cap. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval [Trigger word, beware of rant]
I dunno Ode, I don't think most doctors are the good guys. MOST of them don't even question the garbage they're taught in medical school. They don't look for underlying cause of disease, or learn anything new, or look at the newest research. They'll tell you it's all in your head when they have the lab work in front of them that tells the story, then they try to fob you off by throwing drug cocktails at you, or antidepressants. There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new ways and information, but they ARE few. And I know for a fact the big Pharma pays what amounts to bribes, in education grants and research grants, for the different medical societies to support their drugs by writing prescriptions and squashing any natural substance that might be a better solution. Even something as simple as the nutrients in food a scoffed at as a way back to health. And doctors are not trained at all in nutrition. They're trained to write scripts for conditions.The various medical publications censor anything that challenges the status quo. Just look at the dust up over Armour vs Synthroid, and that's just ONE example. A licensed MD did research on why people were showing signs of Hypothyroidism even when the lab tests say they're fine, and got solid data, and the Medical Journal he sent it to would not publish it, because they say it can't be right, even with hard data from thousands of patients. In my opinion the AMA, FDA, and Pharmas need to be sued for collusion until they don't have a pot to pee in, as the saying goes. The AMA, and the FDA have made the pharmaceutical industry king as you say. And anyone who threatens their profit will get run over and run out of the medical profession on a rail, and probably be discredited and lose their license as well. Just look what happened to that poor guy who sells Cansema. The FDA lied and cheated to illegally have him brought back to the US. That man hasn't killed anyone. But medical doctors and FDA approved drugs have, and not one of them are in jail for murder. And as far as I'm concerned it IS murder. And yes herbs are nothing to play with, they are very powerful, but generally speaking safer than the synthetic unnatural chemicals that are man made. I believe this to be true because the whole plant has things in it that work together. I also believe that there are plants that can cure just about anything that ails mankind. Because the plants evolved with us. That's why the GMO stuff is so dangerous. Man playing God. Whatever Universal Intelligence or God you worship and believe in, mankind thinks they can do better than that being. They try to make man made molecules because they can't become rich and profit from other's misfortune, so they create a chemical disaster. I am sure that yes, doctors and drugs have helped many, but they have the blood of many on their hands as well. And yeah the pharmaceutical industry bases some of their drugs on plants, but they're still an unnatural molecule, and generally based on one chemical from a plant, when plants have may chemicals in them. So why would a synthetic man made version of what is natural in the plant be better than the natural chemical? Just look at Synthroid, it's a mirror of the human thyroid hormone, and by mirror I mean it's exactly the same but it's backwards. Some people do alright with it, and others it does nothing for at all. But they'll tell you it's all in your head if you say it's not doing what it's supposed to do. But there have been several lawsuits against the manufacturer because it makes people's hair fall out, and in a lot of cases it's permanent. There are also other problems with it as well. So maybe it makes sense that so many drugs have bad effects. They have to twist something that is natural in order to patent it and sell it. And it all comes down to money. If it wasn't all about money then the few hundreds of people that suffer from the rare diseases would have drugs to help them too. The drug companies will straight out say they can't make any money on drugs for those people, so nothing is done. And yet the FDA will lynch anyone who tries to help them and others who don't want to poisoned. Ahhh, the debate can go round and round forever. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh Ode Coyote wrote: Who made who what king? The problem is that people believe that doctors are gods with all the answers and if they get one wrong, because no two people are the same. they can sue them. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSHeres how to get FDA approval.
Hello David, It may be that some of the testing has already been done and what is needed is a liturature search to bring the various bits and pieces together. For example, I ran across this study... http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Human_Studies/ASAP%2093%20Patient%20Independent%20Human%20Study.pdf There may be more like it, they just need to be discovered. Tom - Original Message - From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:48 PM Subject: CSHeres how to get FDA approval. Collecting a million anecdotes will not do it. The only way the FDA will approve CS is if clinical human trials are conducted. And as I've said here before the only body in the US with the money and the duty to conduct a trial is the National Centre for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine. (NCCAM) http://nccam.nih.gov/ NCCAM is a part of the US health department. They have a relatively huge budget, and IT IS IN THEIR CHARTER TO RESEARCH STUFF LIKE CS To quote from the NCCAM website ...The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) is the Federal Government's lead agency for scientific research on the diverse medical and health care systems, practices, and products that are NOT GENERALLY CONSIDERED PART OF CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE. They have funded over 1,200 research projects - but so far nothing on CS. If enough taxpaying US members of this list contacted the NCCAM and suggested they research CS (or fund a trial of CS) then something might get done. Of course they could fund a big trial and conclude that CS doesn't work but thats a risk I'm happy to live with. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?
Hello Dee, Actually, my comment was meant to be a bit of a tongue in cheek sarcastic comment. It very well could be that the silver that we make shares many chacteristics with the other stuff. It may be that home made EIS is actually more effective than the other stuff, but I have not been able to find formal tests indicating this. In this case American Biotech Laboratories has funded the studies with their products, applied for, and received a patent for their product and the process for making their product, and they have a few EPA registered products. They have a lot of testing data that indicates that their product works, and we have seen many cases indicating that our product works, so the question may be better directed to what the differences are with CS made from high voltage AC and EIS made from low voltage DC. Tom - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 3:51 AM Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? If this is the case and is true, why is it that *our* silver works perfectly well then? My dog has just been cured of sickness and inertia with a day of ionic silver, when other dogs which exhibited similar symptoms have had to be hospitalised on drips. You cannot fool animals! Also, our family has all had colds but thats all they have had. It hasn't developed into a real illness like my friends have. dee On 7 Feb 2010, at 22:51, poast wrote: Hello Ode, Thank you so much for sharing the name of David A. Revelli. He, and Brigam Young University, have been involved in a lot of testing that puts CS in a very favorable light. However, the water test was done with nano-catalytic silver particles with a tetrasilver tetroxide coating that emit a frequency that kills microbes. I am not sure the EIS that you and I make shares these qualities. http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/General_Studies/Ionic_vs._Metallic_and_Particle_Size.pdf -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver for lyme babesia
Thanks Tom, The article was interesting and I think it's possible it could help, even if it's not a complete cure. That brings me back to my original question. What's the best and most effective form of silver for me? Should I use my silvergen, or ACS, Mesosilver, Sovereign Silver Thanks! Hello Greg, You may find this article informative... http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Human_Studies/Lymes%27s%20Testimonial.pdf Tom - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: CSRE: silver help with lymes type? Dick - what type of silver were you using - what generator? I've always heard silver isn't a cure for lyme. Did you and the others you mentioned have it for long? I've had it for over 20 years - was misdiagnosed for about 17 years. I have a silvergen, and it's not made much of a difference with the lyme when I've used it for some time. That's why I was wondering about the ACS. Also you see mesosilver out there on the web saying it's the most effective kind of silver out there. So I was wondering if there's a silver that can be more effective than my silvergen makes like the two above mentioned. Thanks It cured my lyme, and my wife's, and the guy's who taught me how to make CS, and hosts of other people he has cured... Dick From: Greg Ball granb...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 11:18:28 PM Subject: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #161 I'm dealing with late stage lyme disease and babesia. I have a silvergen and have used silver for 20 years for infections like bladder or lung infections. I've been hearing about silver for lyme, but it's the doctor who developed the ACS brand of silver who's saying it can kill lyme. I've always heard silver won't eradicate lyme. I'm wondering if you think it can reduce my bacteria load, and the protazoan load (babesia). If so, is ACS better than other brands? Or is there a better brand? Or is my silvergen silver as good? Thanks!
Re: CSFDA approval [Trigger word, beware of rant]
Very good points, ladies. The med schools have been skewed since the early 1900's when JD Rockefeller owned most of King Pharma. He, and Abraham Fletchner pushed a law through Congress around 1910 that made using foods and nutrients as medicines illegal. Then with his multi-million dollar grants to all of the med schools, he controlled the curriculum that doctors studied. Now, David Rockefeller, his grandson, owns (much in the shadows) at least 85% of all the pharmaceutical companies. And the line goes on and on. It's my philosophy that one needs to carefully look at their own health (individualistically) and the health history of their immediate families to detect any health weaknesses that may afflict them. At that point, one can research the possibility of preventing that possible affliction with foods and nutrients. Herbs and plants could be used, but one needs to carefully research them prior to use. I think prevention is the main key to good health - aside from eating the right foods and drinking pure water. We cannot avoid some of the dangers of technological advances (or de-vances) and pollution, but we can strengthen our overall systems to combat them. It's a big fight in remaining healthy in a sick world... John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote: I dunno Ode, I don't think most doctors are the good guys. MOST of them don't even question the garbage they're taught in medical school. They don't look for underlying cause of disease, or learn anything new, or look at the newest research. They'll tell you it's all in your head when they have the lab work in front of them that tells the story, then they try to fob you off by throwing drug cocktails at you, or antidepressants. There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new ways and information, but they ARE few. And I know for a fact the big Pharma pays what amounts to bribes, in education grants and research grants, for the different medical societies to support their drugs by writing prescriptions and squashing any natural substance that might be a better solution. Even something as simple as the nutrients in food a scoffed at as a way back to health. And doctors are not trained at all in nutrition. They're trained to write scripts for conditions.The various medical publications censor anything that challenges the status quo. Just look at the dust up over Armour vs Synthroid, and that's just ONE example. A licensed MD did research on why people were showing signs of Hypothyroidism even when the lab tests say they're fine, and got solid data, and the Medical Journal he sent it to would not publish it, because they say it can't be right, even with hard data from thousands of patients. In my opinion the AMA, FDA, and Pharmas need to be sued for collusion until they don't have a pot to pee in, as the saying goes. The AMA, and the FDA have made the pharmaceutical industry king as you say. And anyone who threatens their profit will get run over and run out of the medical profession on a rail, and probably be discredited and lose their license as well. Just look what happened to that poor guy who sells Cansema. The FDA lied and cheated to illegally have him brought back to the US. That man hasn't killed anyone. But medical doctors and FDA approved drugs have, and not one of them are in jail for murder. And as far as I'm concerned it IS murder. And yes herbs are nothing to play with, they are very powerful, but generally speaking safer than the synthetic unnatural chemicals that are man made. I believe this to be true because the whole plant has things in it that work together. I also believe that there are plants that can cure just about anything that ails mankind. Because the plants evolved with us. That's why the GMO stuff is so dangerous. Man playing God. Whatever Universal Intelligence or God you worship and believe in, mankind thinks they can do better than that being. They try to make man made molecules because they can't become rich and profit from other's misfortune, so they create a chemical disaster. I am sure that yes, doctors and drugs have helped many, but they have the blood of many on their hands as well. And yeah the pharmaceutical industry bases some of their drugs on plants, but they're still an unnatural molecule, and generally based on one chemical from a plant, when plants have may chemicals in them. So why would a synthetic man made version of what is natural in the plant be better than the natural chemical? Just look at Synthroid, it's a mirror of the human thyroid hormone, and by mirror I mean it's exactly the same but it's backwards. Some people do alright with it, and others it does nothing for at all. But they'll tell you it's all in your head if you say it's not doing what it's supposed to do. But there have been several lawsuits against the manufacturer because it makes people's hair fall out,
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Do you ever get any read-outs or newsletters from any CSW machine makers that overall help the CSW movement? I've never seen another one on this list. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: Who do you mean? And how do you know they aren't? dee On 8 Feb 2010, at 15:02, John E. Stevens wrote: It isn't a scare technique. The EU will dispose of CSW in evolutionary steps over a period of time - not in a one-time shot deal. Like the way King Pharma came into credibility discrediting homepathic doctors in the early 19th century. It's progressive evolution - please keep an eye on it. I think Steve's ideas are very good and with much more integrity than most money gobbling CSW machine makers. I don't see any of them doing anything for the movement. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:24 AM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Doesn't mean to say they *aren't* doing anything though. And if they aren't, then that is up to them I feel.dee On 8 Feb 2010, at 19:43, John E. Stevens wrote: Do you ever get any read-outs or newsletters from any CSW machine makers that overall help the CSW movement? I've never seen another one on this list. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSargryia and iron
I just read on an iron disorders site that one symptom of iron overload is skin discoloration. Usually bronze or tan but also ashen grey. No photos, but this leads me to wonder how many folks with argryia have been tested for iron overload? sol
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Defense... defense... Bah... humbug... John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Doesn't mean to say they *aren't* doing anything though. And if they aren't, then that is up to them I feel.dee On 8 Feb 2010, at 19:43, John E. Stevens wrote: Do you ever get any read-outs or newsletters from any CSW machine makers that overall help the CSW movement? I've never seen another one on this list. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Understandable, Mike. Although I do think folks who are making money from CSW and from CSW machines should take a stand and support the movement to understanding the power of CSW. I think Steve is doing an admirable job of it. Thanks. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:36 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Thanks for forwarding that report/request, John. A tactical suggestion from me: If anyone chooses to participate, please do so. Telling our personal stories about silver use in a sympathetic public forum is a good way to balance some of the bias that's out there. While doing so, please don't be in any way adversarial with other people or with Mr. Barwick. I'd rather we maintain a supportive relationship with others in the alternative health movement. When people come here for information, we'll tell them what we believe and where it differs from others' ideas and let them make up their own minds. That's our main mission, not campaigning for our point of view. Thank you, Mike D. da list owner guy [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Archive update...
Hi Mike. Can't help you with that, but wanted to thank you for the time spent and effort you're making to get this done for us. Mary Ann From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Unfortunately, they're in a text format rather than a proper mailbox file, and I'm going have to go through and rather laboriously reconstruct it into a form that the archives will accept. If anybody here was there back then, or is still friends with anybody who was there back then, you can still save me some time and labor if you can come up with a proper message archive for late '96 through mid '97. I'd appreciate it! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbromine in breads
At 04:52 PM 2/7/2010, you wrote: Looked up the town of Eden in SW Wyoming. The satelite view shows plenty of agriculture, but obviously irrigated. If you can find water, you should be able to grow stuff during the summer. Temperature looks no worse than Minnesota... Perhaps an economic opportunity... LOL, Eden is a whole different climate than where I live, 60 miles north. It is almost like a different mini world. It is one of the anomalous areas in the county with better climate, though it is a bit higher in altitude than here. The mainly grow alfalfa, as grass hays do not do well there. Water is a problem, cost of water alone for outdoor/garden plants is more than the produce is worth, in price terms. Listen, folks, thanks for the suggestions, but in the past 35 years we really have already been through nearly everything. And I have talked to a person who tried a co-op venture here, and couldn't make it work. I do not think I could do better, and frankly would rather spend my time, $, and energy in my own garden, or by purchasing food online. As to growing veg in pots in the house, never had any success with it whatsoever, though I start seeds in the house ok. sol
Re: CSbromine in breads
At 04:39 AM 2/8/2010, you wrote: This sounds like a very industrious, busy person! The reason I am overweight is because I can't be bothered to eat well, and just grab a piece of plastic bread and stick some jam on it! I HATE cooking more than anything else, even more than housework! dee I used to like cooking, but after 25 years of my own food allergies, and over 15 years of my husband's food allergies, and in the past my son's food allergies, I hate cooking too. None of us have/had the same allergies, so finding anything all 3 of us could eat was a frustrating task. Even with just me and husband for the past 15 years, it is hard. I am not joking when I say if I could cure my food allergies I would never cook again, reheating TV dinners, frozen entrees, and several trips a week to fast food joints that would be my diet. Coffee and tea would be my only cooking. LOL OR if I was very wealthy, and could do the cooking and could pay someone else to do not only the cleanup, but most of the prepROTFL, sol
Re: CSbromine in breads
At 04:47 AM 2/8/2010, you wrote: That's where the mad phantom dump truck driver haunts the landscape, isn't it ?...The high plateaunothing there but fairly small windswept piles of barren dirt and a few faded mobile homes clustered around an oil rig every 90 or so miles and a string of gnarly trees marching along a river bed now and then. Even the tumbleweeds are lonesome and few. Yea, there are places in the USA where it's one somewhat addled person per square mile...everything is imported to that Mars on Earth. [so why not import the good stuff?] More barren..there's a huge pea gravel pit somewhere South of Brice Canyon country with NO people per square mile or any dirt at all...not even a lost and lonesome tumbleweed. Amazing places to not live in. [Takes a half tank of gas just to get home from a gas station. ] Ode You got it! But this is where the work was so here we are, and there are compensatory things to like here, so here we stay, though now retired. When we get so old we can't handle the winters anymore we may re-think that, LOL. sol
Re: CSbromine in breads
I love baking. Needless to say, I hardly bake anymore since it's all sweet treats or breads that I can't have in the house. If I have anything like that around, I will not eat fruit or yogurt for snacks, but will go for the sweets or buttered rolls every time. I love burgers and fries and lots of other junk. I like most veggies, but all that cleaning and prep is such a hassle. So time consuming to buy them fresh and prep and cook them. I think we need seafood or chicken or meats, but mostly to make them taste good enough, I have to add things like soups or butter or breading. I try to eat right, but it's so much work so I fall short a lot of the time. Tonight was healthy (for hubby). We had boiled shrimp with homemade cocktail sauce and lemon juice and I gave hubby the leftover broccoli. I'll go eat a carrot or something later. : ( From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:35:53 PM Subject: Re: CSbromine in breads At 04:39 AM 2/8/2010, you wrote: This sounds like a very industrious, busy person! The reason I am overweight is because I can't be bothered to eat well, and just grab a piece of plastic bread and stick some jam on it! I HATE cooking more than anything else, even more than housework! dee I used to like cooking, but after 25 years of my own food allergies, and over 15 years of my husband's food allergies, and in the past my son's food allergies, I hate cooking too. None of us have/had the same allergies, so finding anything all 3 of us could eat was a frustrating task. Even with just me and husband for the past 15 years, it is hard. I am not joking when I say if I could cure my food allergies I would never cook again, reheating TV dinners, frozen entrees, and several trips a week to fast food joints that would be my diet. Coffee and tea would be my only cooking. LOL OR if I was very wealthy, and could do the cooking and could pay someone else to do not only the cleanup, but most of the prepROTFL, sol
Re: CSbromine in breads
The people out west are great! We wondered if the people we like best went west long ago since most people we talked to agreed that New Englanders weren't very friendly. Other than that, I just remember when we delivered in Rock Springs and then I-80 was closed due to snow and in Rawlins where we had to park, there was thick ice and the wind was blowing so hard it broke the fiberglass on our truck when it caught my door and ripped it out of my hand. It was so cold and the wind was rocking our truck even though we were parked between two 53 foot trailers. Ok, so what's to like? hehehehe Pat From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 7:45:50 PM Subject: Re: CSbromine in breads At 04:47 AM 2/8/2010, you wrote: That's where the mad phantom dump truck driver haunts the landscape, isn't it ?...The high plateaunothing there but fairly small windswept piles of barren dirt and a few faded mobile homes clustered around an oil rig every 90 or so miles and a string of gnarly trees marching along a river bed now and then. Even the tumbleweeds are lonesome and few. Yea, there are places in the USA where it's one somewhat addled person per square mile...everything is imported to that Mars on Earth. [so why not import the good stuff?] More barren..there's a huge pea gravel pit somewhere South of Brice Canyon country with NO people per square mile or any dirt at all...not even a lost and lonesome tumbleweed. Amazing places to not live in. [Takes a half tank of gas just to get home from a gas station. ] Ode You got it! But this is where the work was so here we are, and there are compensatory things to like here, so here we stay, though now retired. When we get so old we can't handle the winters anymore we may re-think that, LOL. sol
RE: CSFwd: request your help
[...let them make up their own minds.] -Music to my ears Boss, music to my ears g. Genuine, meaningful and thoughtful considerations when 'fat' is trimmed from all the public domain material to get to the 'meat' for the non scientific individual to take on board with some points EIS related...I know I have mine. oops! that last bit just slipped out. N. From: mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:31:51 -0500 Subject: Re: CSFwd: request your help Thanks for forwarding that report/request, John. A tactical suggestion from me: If anyone chooses to participate, please do so. Telling our personal stories about silver use in a sympathetic public forum is a good way to balance some of the bias that's out there. While doing so, please don't be in any way adversarial with other people or with Mr. Barwick. I'd rather we maintain a supportive relationship with others in the alternative health movement. When people come here for information, we'll tell them what we believe and where it differs from others' ideas and let them make up their own minds. That's our main mission, not campaigning for our point of view. Thank you, Mike D. da list owner guy [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Video chat with Windows Live Messenger Learn how http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/messenger/article/870686/video-chat-with-messenger
CSFwd: request your help
The problem is that Barwick/Jones newsletters and readouts are scaremongering, misleading bull. Furthermore he writes in that miracle cure/snake oil style that will bring the FDA down on the whole CS business. How does that help' the movement'? David From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com Date: 9 February 2010 6:13:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFwd: request your help Do you ever get any read-outs or newsletters from any CSW machine makers that overall help the CSW movement? I've never seen another one on this list. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSUh Oh, Heads up!
In this article the someone is starting to pick at the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act again. What gets me is that no one died even over that extended period of time, but they want to control all supplements. The drug companies produce drugs that kill thousands and no one blinks an eye. What also is fishy is that they don't mention the product or the company that produced it. In an invited commentary, Bimal H. Ashar, MD, MBA, from Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, Baltimore, Maryland, writes that the time has come for lawmakers to reevaluate the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, passed in 1994, which allows manufacturers to market their products without submitting proof of efficacy or safety to the FDA. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/716598?src=smo_tw_BUSI Annie -- Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver type for lyme babesia
Hi all, I'm still hoping for an answer to my original question. What's the best and most effective form of silver for me (lymes disease and babesia)? Should I use my silvergen, or ACS, Mesosilver, Sovereign Silver I'd really appreciate an answer if anyone has one, or if not, where can I look or ask...??? Thanks!! Greg
Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use?
Hello Ode, They make a big deal about the oxide on the outside of their silver particles. Then they mention that they are adding H2O2. Does the H2O2 play a part in the oxidation? The ships I have been on use chlorine and carry bottled water for drinking... I am still doing research on the silver filters. What I have run across so far is ceramic filters with silver impregnated into them. If they are large enough and the flow is right, they can kill pathogens in the water. We are back to a concentration of silver in contact with the pathogen for a period of time. I work in the scientific community. Yes it is possible to color a report to emphasize a particular point, however, most scientists will include data, and that is the equalizer. You start with the data and then see if the conclusions are supported by the data. The difficult thing to know is if all the data is included... I will have to pick up a bottle of the nano-catalytic silver particles with a tetrasilver tetroxide coating that emit a frequency that kills microbes and hold it up to my ear and see if I can hear anything... :) Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:11 AM Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? If silver-tet works it's because it emits or exposes silver ions on a molecular level. Filters stay sterile because the ion exchange resins emit [exchange] ions and/or make ions on the surface of the resin that contact the water. [in which a bio film would grow] If they emit enough ions, or if all of the water contacts the resin surface, then the water becomes sterile as well. Potable water sterilization systems on merchant marine ships are no different than our CS generators. It doesn't use silver coated filters. Just try and get an electromagnetic frequency to travel in water like it would in space, then tell submariners about it 'cause they'd love to know and get away from ELF that's slow enough for the pulse ionization of sea water to make a detectable difference. If that's not the case then the wave is long enough to find space between water molecules...but then it has to miss a whole lot of water molecules. .anything that has to do with electrons in a liquid is pretty much ionic. A Zapper makes acid and base electrochemical byproducts out of the salt ions in the blood to transfer electrons around. Scientist often write reports based on what those who pay them want to prove...and...hide. Leave a little detail out ? It just sounds different without changing the principles. Cars are more complicated than bicycles and they aren't the same thing, but they both move on wheels and *do* the same thing the same way. [roll] Ode At 02:51 PM 2/7/2010 -0800, you wrote: Hello Ode, Thank you so much for sharing the name of David A. Revelli. He, and Brigam Young University, have been involved in a lot of testing that puts CS in a very favorable light. However, the water test was done with nano-catalytic silver particles with a tetrasilver tetroxide coating that emit a frequency that kills microbes. I am not sure the EIS that you and I make shares these qualities. http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/General_Studies/Ionic_vs._Metallic_and_Particle_ Size.pdf I am somewhat familiar with water treatment. I will have to do some more studying, but I was under the impression that the silver used for water filters was to prevent biofilm from growing between batch use of the filters. I don't think it is used to actually prufiy the water, but rather to keep it from becoming contaminated during the filtering process. The Brigam Young people have also run tests indicating that their silver doesn't seem to effect healthy intestinal flora bacteria while still being effective at killing pathogenic bacteria. Interesting... http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Safety_Studies/Selective%20Antimicrobial%20Activ ity%20of%20ASAP-AGX-32%20Silver%20Solution%20against%20Probiotics%20%28Dr.%2 0Ron%20Leavitt%29.pdf Tom - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:18 AM Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails? -- how much do you use? Brigham Young University did a detailed time/PPM/kill study. Don't recall details well, but [probably] as little as 3 PPB sterilized water over some period of time, where 3 PPM did it a lot faster. David A. Revelli Microbiologist Brigham Young University Dr. Ron W. Leavitt, Ph.D. Professor of Microbiology/Molecular Biology Commercial silver ion water treatment systems have been available for decades and are used by the merchant marines, various airlines, NASA., some water treatment plants both in the USA and Russia. Honeywell Rockwell and others us Ag-Ion [TM] silver ion exchange resins to keep
Re: CSSilver for lyme babesia
Hello Greg, The main difference between the silver used in that article and the silver produced in the SilverGen is that they are adding a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to theirs. I don't know enough about this to give you any direction on how much to use, so you will have to ask someone else about that. Their solution also has around 15% ions where the SilverGen makes around 80% ions. If ions are doing the work as most believe, you are better off with the SilverGen. The addition of H2O2 results in a solution with a slightly acidic PH, and a slightly higher oxygen reduction potential value. It also elevates the conductivity a little. Now I don't know a deer tick from a field mouse when it comes to Lyme disease, but that doesn't stop me from spouting an opinion... :) What I have read about Lyme indicates that it may be better to consider using large doses for a short time followed by using something else. This pulsing back and forth may be more effective than trying to keep a steady dose going for an extended period of time. OK, I'll go crawl back under my rock now. Good luck to you and I hope you get your health back. Tom - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:16 AM Subject: CSSilver for lyme babesia Thanks Tom, The article was interesting and I think it's possible it could help, even if it's not a complete cure. That brings me back to my original question. What's the best and most effective form of silver for me? Should I use my silvergen, or ACS, Mesosilver, Sovereign Silver Thanks! Hello Greg, You may find this article informative... http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Human_Studies/Lymes%27s%20Testimonial.pdf Tom - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: CSRE: silver help with lymes type? Dick - what type of silver were you using - what generator? I've always heard silver isn't a cure for lyme. Did you and the others you mentioned have it for long? I've had it for over 20 years - was misdiagnosed for about 17 years. I have a silvergen, and it's not made much of a difference with the lyme when I've used it for some time. That's why I was wondering about the ACS. Also you see mesosilver out there on the web saying it's the most effective kind of silver out there. So I was wondering if there's a silver that can be more effective than my silvergen makes like the two above mentioned. Thanks It cured my lyme, and my wife's, and the guy's who taught me how to make CS, and hosts of other people he has cured... Dick From: Greg Ball granb...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 11:18:28 PM Subject: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #161 I'm dealing with late stage lyme disease and babesia. I have a silvergen and have used silver for 20 years for infections like bladder or lung infections. I've been hearing about silver for lyme, but it's the doctor who developed the ACS brand of silver who's saying it can kill lyme. I've always heard silver won't eradicate lyme. I'm wondering if you think it can reduce my bacteria load, and the protazoan load (babesia). If so, is ACS better than other brands? Or is there a better brand? Or is my silvergen silver as good? Thanks!
