Re: CS>Low Dose Naltrexone

[Jane MacRoss]

Truly everything I get from the US is opened at customs - nothing from 
France - I have had bottles mushrooms from France (!!) but US?  Oh dear - I 
might risk it & see how I go tho


thanks!!

Jane

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From: "Garnet_LDN" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Low Dose Naltrexone


People here order it and it ships in a plain brown envelope. Flys under 
the

radar.  www.alldaychemist.com

Janet

Jane MacRoss wrote:

This is just for USA tho isn't it?

Our vulture like customs officials would pounce on a medication coming
into the country that here requires a government authority to prescribe.

Jane

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~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: CS>Low Dose Naltrexone



www.ldners.org

www.webspawner.com/users/sideeffectsofldn/index.html

www.crystalsmstmldn.org

www.myspace.com/lowdosenaltrexone

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/06/can-ldn-really-help-multiple-sclerosis-rheumatoid-arthritis-and-other-autoimmune-diseases.aspx


http://jeffreydach.com/2007/08/01/low-dose-nalotrexone-ldn-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx


www.ldn-help.com

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crystalangel6...@aol.com

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Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Garnet_LDN]

Then that is another good reason to put Epsom Salts in any bath, you 
absorb Mg

and you don't absorb Fl.

Thanks!

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:

Maybe but not likely. I believe that in California, fluoride is added at
1 ppm. That would be 1 mg/l. Not much. Plus, Magnesium Fluoride is used
for optical elements in both the infrared and ultraviolet ranges.  It is
also used as a coating for optical lenses in the visible range.
Magnesium Fluoride, has a refractive index of about 1.37 and would
likely be invisible in water even in significant amounts.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Garnet_LDN [mailto:garnet_...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:55 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles
- fluoride

If Epsom Salts would work then I should see a percipitate when I add it
to
my city bath water, and I don't so ?

Maybe Mg Chloride will give up it's Cl in favor of Fl?

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:
  
Magnesium chloride is what was used in the animal studies and should 
work. I would also think that Epsom salts, magnesium sulfate, would


work.
  
 




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Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Norton, Steve]

BTW, water has a refractive index of about 1.33 and air is about 1,0003.

-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:11 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles
- fluoride

Maybe but not likely. I believe that in California, fluoride is added at
1 ppm. That would be 1 mg/l. Not much. Plus, Magnesium Fluoride is used
for optical elements in both the infrared and ultraviolet ranges.  It is
also used as a coating for optical lenses in the visible range.
Magnesium Fluoride, has a refractive index of about 1.37 and would
likely be invisible in water even in significant amounts.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Garnet_LDN [mailto:garnet_...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles
- fluoride

If Epsom Salts would work then I should see a percipitate when I add it
to
my city bath water, and I don't so ?

Maybe Mg Chloride will give up it's Cl in favor of Fl?

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:
>
> Magnesium chloride is what was used in the animal studies and should 
> work. I would also think that Epsom salts, magnesium sulfate, would
work.
>
>  


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RE: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Norton, Steve]

Maybe but not likely. I believe that in California, fluoride is added at
1 ppm. That would be 1 mg/l. Not much. Plus, Magnesium Fluoride is used
for optical elements in both the infrared and ultraviolet ranges.  It is
also used as a coating for optical lenses in the visible range.
Magnesium Fluoride, has a refractive index of about 1.37 and would
likely be invisible in water even in significant amounts.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Garnet_LDN [mailto:garnet_...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles
- fluoride

If Epsom Salts would work then I should see a percipitate when I add it
to
my city bath water, and I don't so ?

Maybe Mg Chloride will give up it's Cl in favor of Fl?

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:
>
> Magnesium chloride is what was used in the animal studies and should 
> work. I would also think that Epsom salts, magnesium sulfate, would
work.
>
>  


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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Garnet_LDN]

You have to train the dogs to respect the ducks.

Yes the dogs could kill the ducks, and no the ducks will not be able to 
out run the dogs, they can not fly, just flutter a bit off the ground, 
and they are sensitive so would stress if you allow the dogs to bother them.


Janet

Jimmie Cairn wrote:

Hi All;
  I am wondering about these Indian Runner Ducks.  I have three small 
Cairn Terriers, and they are the most territorial little buggers you 
have ever seen.  If any thing runs, they are off after it. Do you 
think they might chase and catch the ducks, or could the ducks fend 
for themselves.  I am hoping the name might mean they could avoid the 
dogs.

   Thanks Jimmie


*From:* Tad Winiecki 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 3:42:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

How are the Guineas on eating vegetables and plants, and scratching up 
mulches?  Do you protect them at night from varmints?  Do they lay 
eggs you can eat?


Nancy

Garnet_LDN wrote:
> Indian Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to 
catch.  Nice eggs too.
> They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to lay 
numerous eggs, kinda
> like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie pool of water to dunk 
themselves in once or twice a day.

>
> No more wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes -- 
but they will also eat your
> tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put cages 
around the things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the effort 
and protection form wandering deer.

>
> Janet
>
> ejohns9...@aol.com  wrote:
>> */We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East TX).  We even 
have fire ant festival yearly.  We have tried many things...even DE.  
It didn't get rid of them.  However, 7 Guineas adopted us 3 years ago 
and our ant, flea, tick problems are almost non existent now.  We are 
so impressed with them that we hatched 60 more last Fall/Winter.  We 
NEVER want to be without them./*

>> *//* */Edith/*


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Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Garnet_LDN]

If Epsom Salts would work then I should see a percipitate when I add it to
my city bath water, and I don't so ?

Maybe Mg Chloride will give up it's Cl in favor of Fl?

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:


Magnesium chloride is what was used in the animal studies and should 
work. I would also think that Epsom salts, magnesium sulfate, would work.


 


-  Steve N

 


*From:* Garrick [mailto:zzen...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:48 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles 
- fluoride


 


Do you think magnesium chloride might do the trick?

I filter out fluorides with an alumina filter. I use that and a carbon 
block filter


gar





On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Norton, Steve > wrote:


Dan,

Magnesium may be what you are looking for. It appears that if you add a
small amount of a soluble magnesium to water and agitate, it will form
an insoluble compound with the fluoride and greatly reduce the
bioavailability of the fluoride. I didn't mention this possibility
before because I kept seeing conflicting information in the studies. But
I think that given the study I posted below, that magnesium is a good
approach to use with drinking water.

 - Steve N


-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com 
]

Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: EXTERNAL:RE: CS>Debunking...


There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption of
fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the
science isn't completely understood. See below.

 - Steve N

Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the Rat
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf

"Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet may
influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for example,
form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration of
magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation  has been shown to
significantly reduce skeletal
uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why high
dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9). On
the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a
significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either
fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors that
may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human
studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form of
magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In the
human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of the
magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period of
rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized
water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were
administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was
insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not
simultaneously present in the diet."





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Re: CS>Low Dose Naltrexone

[Garnet_LDN]

People here order it and it ships in a plain brown envelope. Flys under the
radar.  www.alldaychemist.com

Janet

Jane MacRoss wrote:

This is just for USA tho isn't it?

Our vulture like customs officials would pounce on a medication coming 
into the country that here requires a government authority to prescribe.


Jane

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- Original Message - From: "Garnet_LDN" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: CS>Low Dose Naltrexone



www.ldners.org

www.webspawner.com/users/sideeffectsofldn/index.html

www.crystalsmstmldn.org

www.myspace.com/lowdosenaltrexone

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/06/can-ldn-really-help-multiple-sclerosis-rheumatoid-arthritis-and-other-autoimmune-diseases.aspx 



http://jeffreydach.com/2007/08/01/low-dose-nalotrexone-ldn-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx 



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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Garnet_LDN]

Making cages to keep the deer out is much easier if you have one of these

http://www.amplesupply.com/detail.aspx?ProdID=180

Hog Ringers to put the 2" X 4" welded rabbit wire together. Worth the cost
for the many applications you will find if you are a do it yourself type.


Janet


ejohns9...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/21/2010 3:33:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
garnet_...@austin.rr.com writes:


Indian Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to
catch.
Nice eggs too.
They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to lay
numerous eggs, kinda
like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie pool of water to dunk
themselves in once or twice a day.

No more wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes
-- but
they will also eat your
tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put cages
around the things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the effort
and protection form wandering deer.

Janet

Janet,
Thanks for the info.  We do have a huge pond that would be good and we 
have deer problems in our garden. 
We planted tomatoes in our yard instead of the garden due to the 
problem but that doesn't stop deer.
 
Edith
 



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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #646

[Hanneke]

Melly,
 I am not Garrick, but yes, I am using the Big Berkey  with the
black elements in top chamber, and fluoride filters in lower
chamber.
Once I can work out or have convincing evidence that prill beads take
care of all fluoride I might remove the fluoride filters from the lower
chamber as well which would take care of  possible aluminum residue.
My filtered Berkey water would then go straight into the prill bead jar.

At 12:27 PM 7/22/2010, you wrote:
Garrick,
 
Do  you use Berkey? I have a Big Berkey with black element filter on
top in the first chamber and the flouride filter at the bottom inside the
second chamber. I was informed only 95% of flouride is removed and
alumina residues are also left behind. 
 
Any suggestions on how to remove remaining flouride and alumina 
residues? All are welcome to comment.
 
 
Thanks.
 
melly
 
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
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From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com


Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #646

To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com

Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 8:56 PM





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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Jimmie Cairn]

Hi All;
  I am wondering about these Indian Runner Ducks.  I have three small Cairn 
Terriers, and they are the most territorial little buggers you have ever seen.  
If any thing runs, they are off after it. Do you think they might chase and 
catch the ducks, or could the ducks fend for themselves.  I am hoping the name 
might mean they could avoid the dogs.
   Thanks Jimmie





From: Tad Winiecki 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 3:42:51 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

How are the Guineas on eating vegetables and plants, and scratching up mulches? 
  
Do you protect them at night from varmints?  Do they lay eggs you can eat?

Nancy

Garnet_LDN wrote:
> Indian Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to catch.  
>Nice eggs too.
> They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to lay numerous 
>eggs, kinda
> like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie pool of water to dunk themselves 
> in 
>once or twice a day.
> 
> No more wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes -- but they 
>will also eat your
> tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put cages around the 
>things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the effort and protection form 
>wandering deer.
> 
> Janet
> 
> ejohns9...@aol.com wrote:
>> */We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East TX).  We even have fire 
>>ant festival yearly.  We have tried many things...even DE.  It didn't get rid 
>>of 
>>them.  However, 7 Guineas adopted us 3 years ago and our ant, flea, tick 
>>problems are almost non existent now.  We are so impressed with them that we 
>>hatched 60 more last Fall/Winter.  We NEVER want to be without them./*
>> *//* */Edith/*


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #646

[Melly Bag]

Garrick,
 
Do  you use Berkey? I have a Big Berkey with black element filter on top in the 
first chamber and the flouride filter at the bottom inside the second chamber. 
I was informed only 95% of flouride is removed and alumina residues are also 
left behind. 
 
Any suggestions on how to remove remaining flouride and alumina  residues? All 
are welcome to comment.
 
 
Thanks.
 
melly
 
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
 wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #646
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 8:56 PM

Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Hanneke]

Yes, the Prill beads are in the bottom of the big jar. I
decant  some of it into a 2 liter bottle which bottle I use for
filling my glass, with rest of the jar I  fill the kettle , use it
for cooking and refill the big jar with filtered water from the Berkey.
Apparently, leaving the water with prill beads for too long might charge
the water too strongly. 
Sounds all laborious but has become a bit of a routine.  
I did think about the aluminum in fluoride filters but haven't removed
them as yet.  
In Summer, I have a water generator (Aquovator) which produces plenty of
drinking water with the right conditions.  Right now, it being
Winter, the relative humidity is high enough but the temps outside too
low for the water generator to produce.  
I'll do anything to avoid having to consume tap or  bottled water. 


At 11:58 AM 7/22/2010, you wrote:
Hey Hanneke,
Do you leave the prill beads in the water and drink from there?
I run my tap water through a 3-stage Pur filter and then through the
Berkey before the water gets to the Prill beads.
I threw the Berkey fluoride filters out because of the aluminum.

From: Hanneke

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 6:54:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles -
fluoride

I have been using magnesium 'oil' in my drinking water, as a supplement,
1 teaspoon 3x a day. I can't say I enjoy the taste I detect with the
added 'oil'  but take it anyway. However, if all my drinking water
would have this slight magnesium chloride taste I would gag.  
Can't say I am particularly fond of the epsom salt (used for flushes)
drinks either , yuck. It serves a purpose and take it when doing the
flushes .The thought of having MMS added to my drinking water would make
me dehydrate as I wouldn't be able to handle the smell and not drink
water at all.
If the  magnesium oxide property  of  prill beads enhances
the fluoride reduction then it will be prill beads for me if I had to
take care of fluoride.
 I filter my water (Berkley unit, includes fluoride filters), and
this filter has a water jar energizer near the faucet  (

http://www.biomagscience.net   scroll down the page).
This water I pour into the 5 liter glass jar which has the prill beads at
the bottom. If there is any fluoride in the filtered water (it's believed
that most but not all fluoride is removed with the filters), then the
prill beads may well take care of the remaining fluoride. 




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Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[mhale]

Hey Hanneke,
Do you leave the prill beads in the water and drink from there?
I run my tap water through a 3-stage Pur filter and then through the Berkey 
before the water gets to the Prill beads.
I threw the Berkey fluoride filters out because of the aluminum.




From: Hanneke 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 6:54:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

I have been using magnesium 'oil' in my drinking water, as a supplement, 1 
teaspoon 3x a day. I can't say I enjoy the taste I detect with the added 'oil'  
but take it anyway. However, if all my drinking water would have this slight 
magnesium chloride taste I would gag.  

Can't say I am particularly fond of the epsom salt (used for flushes) drinks 
either , yuck. It serves a purpose and take it when doing the flushes .The 
thought of having MMS added to my drinking water would make me dehydrate as I 
wouldn't be able to handle the smell and not drink water at all.

If the  magnesium oxide property  of  prill beads enhances the fluoride 
reduction then it will be prill beads for me if I had to take care of fluoride.
 I filter my water (Berkley unit, includes fluoride filters), and this filter 
has a water jar energizer near the faucet  (http://www.biomagscience.net   
scroll down the page).
This water I pour into the 5 liter glass jar which has the prill beads at the 
bottom. If there is any fluoride in the filtered water (it's believed that most 
but not all fluoride is removed with the filters), then the prill beads may 
well 
take care of the remaining fluoride.  

Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Hanneke]

I have been using magnesium 'oil' in my drinking water, as a
supplement, 1 teaspoon 3x a day. I can't say I enjoy the taste I detect
with the added 'oil'  but take it anyway. However, if all my
drinking water would have this slight magnesium chloride taste I would
gag.  
Can't say I am particularly fond of the epsom salt (used for flushes)
drinks either , yuck. It serves a purpose and take it when doing the
flushes .The thought of having MMS added to my drinking water would make
me dehydrate as I wouldn't be able to handle the smell and not drink
water at all.
If the  magnesium oxide property  of  prill beads enhances
the fluoride reduction then it will be prill beads for me if I had to
take care of fluoride.
 I filter my water (Berkley unit, includes fluoride filters), and
this filter has a water jar energizer near the faucet 
(
http://www.biomagscience.net   scroll down the page).
This water I pour into the 5 liter glass jar which has the prill beads at
the bottom. If there is any fluoride in the filtered water (it's believed
that most but not all fluoride is removed with the filters), then the
prill beads may well take care of the remaining fluoride.  
Wished I  had money to burn. I would make  samples of all the
different water and have it tested.  It is all good and well to be
skeptical and debunk  but the debunking sounds as flimsy as the word
'magical' in the one excerpt I provided.Testing things for self would be
more productive. 
A few things I have noticed: I filled the dogs's drinking bowls with
the  water straight from the Berkey filter, and they loved that over
tap water .  Now they get a mixture of the filtered water and I
often add prill water to it.  It is either making them thirstier or
they just love it even better, lapping it up.
For myself, drinking water in Summer is not a big problem but I used to
have the greatest of difficulty drinking enough water in Winter. Why that
was I have no idea but even 1 glass would just stick in my throat. 
Now with the prill water, I don't seem to have any problems whatsoever
drinking  water in Winter.  
If and when it is proven beyond doubt that prill beads will take care of
fluoride then many people will be able to have good water without having
to cough up the money for expensive filter units  and replacement
of  filters on a regular basis, a costly exercise.  
I keep searching for more reports and/or research results.

At 09:56 AM 7/22/2010, you wrote:
Dan,
Magnesium may be what you are looking for. It appears that if you add
a
small amount of a soluble magnesium to water and agitate, it will
form
an insoluble compound with the fluoride and greatly reduce the
bioavailability of the fluoride. I didn't mention this possibility
before because I kept seeing conflicting information in the studies.
But
I think that given the study I posted below, that magnesium is a
good
approach to use with drinking water.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve
[
mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:RE: CS>Debunking...

There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption
of
fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the
science isn't completely understood. See below.
 - Steve N
Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the
Rat

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf
"Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet
may
influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for
example,
form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration
of
magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation  has been shown to
significantly reduce skeletal
uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why
high
dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9).
On
the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a
significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either
fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors
that
may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human
studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form
of
magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In
the
human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of
the
magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period
of
rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized
water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were
administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was
insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not
simultaneously present in the diet."

-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave
[
mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver
nanoparticles
Thanks for this Steve.  I will read up on it.
Dan

Re: CS>Re: CS Rods

[trem]

Re: CS RodsLook here for directions on setting PPM dial  
http://www.silvergen.com/determine_ppm.htm

Trem
g
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gwlynda Irek 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: CS>Re: CS Rods


  Can anyone give me advise on where to purchase silver rods for my CS 
generator?

  Gwlynda Irek
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RE: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Norton, Steve]

Magnesium chloride is what was used in the animal studies and should
work. I would also think that Epsom salts, magnesium sulfate, would
work.

 

-  Steve N

 

From: Garrick [mailto:zzen...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:48 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles -
fluoride

 

Do you think magnesium chloride might do the trick?

I filter out fluorides with an alumina filter. I use that and a carbon
block filter

gar







On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Norton, Steve 
wrote:

Dan,

Magnesium may be what you are looking for. It appears that if you add a
small amount of a soluble magnesium to water and agitate, it will form
an insoluble compound with the fluoride and greatly reduce the
bioavailability of the fluoride. I didn't mention this possibility
before because I kept seeing conflicting information in the studies. But
I think that given the study I posted below, that magnesium is a good
approach to use with drinking water.

 - Steve N


-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:RE: CS>Debunking...


There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption of
fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the
science isn't completely understood. See below.

 - Steve N

Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the Rat
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf

"Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet may
influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for example,
form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration of
magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation  has been shown to
significantly reduce skeletal
uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why high
dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9). On
the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a
significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either
fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors that
may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human
studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form of
magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In the
human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of the
magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period of
rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized
water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were
administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was
insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not
simultaneously present in the diet."

Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Garrick]

Do you think magnesium chloride might do the trick?

I filter out fluorides with an alumina filter. I use that and a carbon block
filter

gar






On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Magnesium may be what you are looking for. It appears that if you add a
> small amount of a soluble magnesium to water and agitate, it will form
> an insoluble compound with the fluoride and greatly reduce the
> bioavailability of the fluoride. I didn't mention this possibility
> before because I kept seeing conflicting information in the studies. But
> I think that given the study I posted below, that magnesium is a good
> approach to use with drinking water.
>
>  - Steve N
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL:RE: CS>Debunking...
>
>
> There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption of
> fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the
> science isn't completely understood. See below.
>
>  - Steve N
>
> Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the Rat
> http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf
>
> "Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet may
> influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for example,
> form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration of
> magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation  has been shown to
> significantly reduce skeletal
> uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why high
> dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9). On
> the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a
> significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either
> fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors that
> may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human
> studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form of
> magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In the
> human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of the
> magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period of
> rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized
> water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were
> administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was
> insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not
> simultaneously present in the diet."
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

[Norton, Steve]

Dan,

Magnesium may be what you are looking for. It appears that if you add a
small amount of a soluble magnesium to water and agitate, it will form
an insoluble compound with the fluoride and greatly reduce the
bioavailability of the fluoride. I didn't mention this possibility
before because I kept seeing conflicting information in the studies. But
I think that given the study I posted below, that magnesium is a good
approach to use with drinking water.

 - Steve N


-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:RE: CS>Debunking...


There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption of
fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the
science isn't completely understood. See below.

 - Steve N

Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the Rat
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf

"Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet may
influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for example,
form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration of
magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation  has been shown to
significantly reduce skeletal
uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why high
dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9). On
the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a
significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either
fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors that
may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human
studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form of
magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In the
human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of the
magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period of
rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized
water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were
administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was
insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not
simultaneously present in the diet."



-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles

Thanks for this Steve.  I will read up on it.

Dan


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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Smitty]

When the guineas take off flying, they can scare the bejesus outta ya  !!
Had that experience on a neighbors farm when I was young.
It was hiding in a ditch & on taking off I almost had a siezure !!

Smitty


> In a message dated 7/21/2010 4:32:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> jman7...@grandecom.net writes:
> They are a little bird about the size of a chicken. They also make great
> burglary alarms as well. If anything approaches the house at night, they
> make a ton of noise.My folks lived near Huntington,Tx on a small farm and
> they swore by them.
> Joe
>
>
> They even sqwak at us & take off running and flying like something is really
> happening.
> They are a noisy hoot but we like them.Our dog never has fleas but this
> summer she has chosen to stay at our daughters who lives next door but a far
> away next door.  The dog came home recently and we bathed her and she was
> loaded in fleas.  I called my daughter and told her she was going to have to
> do something about her fleas and she laughed and said to "send Guineas".
> Edith
>


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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[EJohns9525]

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 3:42:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
winie...@pacifier.com writes:

How are  the Guineas on eating vegetables and plants, and scratching up  
mulches?   Do you protect them at night from varmints?  Do  they lay eggs 
you can eat?

Nancy



They are not nearly as vicious as a chicken at the scratching thing.   They 
do lay smaller eggs than a chicken and all are exactly the same shape and  
size.  When ours are young, they roost  in the chicken house but  as they 
get larger, they quit coming back in at night.  Most of ours fly up  in a tree 
late in the evening.  We have lost several this year because  we are 
surrounded by woods which are full of predators
such as coyotes etc. and they attack them during the day as the wander  off 
in the woods behind the barn.  When they are setting on a nest is  when 
they are in the most danger...same as a chicken.  Edith  

Re: CS>Low Dose Naltrexone

[Jane MacRoss]

This is just for USA tho isn't it?

Our vulture like customs officials would pounce on a medication coming into 
the country that here requires a government authority to prescribe.


Jane

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Subject: CS>Low Dose Naltrexone



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Re: CS>Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions

[Sandee George]

Ode you are too precious    Why didn't you use your gel - works  
like a peach 

Take good care
REgards
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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[EJohns9525]

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 4:32:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jman7...@grandecom.net writes:

They are a little bird about the size  of a chicken. They also make great 
burglary alarms as well. If anything  approaches the house at night, they 
make a ton of noise.My  folks lived near Huntington,Tx on a small farm and they 
swore by  them.
Joe



They even sqwak at us & take off running and flying like  something is 
really happening.
They are a noisy hoot but we like them.Our  dog never has fleas but 
this summer she has chosen to stay at our daughters who  lives next door but a 
far away next door.  The dog came home recently and  we bathed her and she 
was loaded in fleas.  I called my daughter and told  her she was going to 
have to do something about her fleas and she laughed and  said to "send 
Guineas".   Edith
 

Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[EJohns9525]

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 3:33:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
garnet_...@austin.rr.com writes:

Indian  Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to catch. 
Nice  eggs too.
They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to  lay 
numerous eggs, kinda
like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie  pool of water to dunk 
themselves in once or twice a day.

No more  wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes -- but 
they will  also eat your
tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put  cages 
around the things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the  effort 
and protection form wandering  deer.

Janet



Janet,
Thanks for the info.  We do have a huge pond that would be good and we  
have deer problems in our garden.  
We planted tomatoes in our yard instead of the garden due to the problem  
but that doesn't stop deer.
 
Edith
 

Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles

[Dave Darrin]

Dee
I've tried a lot of seemingly plausible protocols and products also but some
really ignite the BS factor.
It bothers me to see how many people lose their money trying such obvious
BS.
Dave

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Over the years I have dabbled in these sort of things Dave--completely with
> an open mind and hoping to discover something.  At the end of the journey my
> conclusion is that I have to agree with what you say.  dee
>
> On 21 Jul 2010, at 18:10, Dave Darrin wrote:
>
> > This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads.
> >
> > One of the goofiest products I have come across are "Prill Beads" which
> consist of "magnesium oxide infused with Life Force." These magical beads
> can be pictured as a configuration of the Force of Love. An outer ring
> containing more than 120,000 pounds of the Crystal form of Love ... and an
> inner ring where the force is stored. ... Anything placed in this space,
> simply becomes magical.
> > How do they make this magical stuff? By magic, of course!
> >
> > Prill beads HA HA what a bunch of BE (bull excrement)
> > Of course someone is making money from it. I think that is it's only
> redeeming factor.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Joe Martin]

They are a little bird
about the size of a chicken. They also make great burglary alarms as
well. If anything approaches the house at night, they make a ton of
noise.My folks lived near Huntington,Tx on a small
farm and they swore by them.
Joe

On 7/21/2010 1:23 PM, needling around wrote:

  
  
  
  What is a Guinea... pig or fowl???
  Thanks.
  PT
  
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From:
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To:
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Sent:
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:12 PM
Subject:
Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


 
We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East TX).  We
even have fire ant festival yearly.  We have tried many things...even
DE.  It didn't get rid of them.  However, 7 Guineas adopted us 3 years
ago and our ant, flea, tick problems are almost non existent now.  We
are so impressed with them that we hatched 60 more last Fall/Winter. 
We NEVER want to be without them.
 
 
 
Edith
  





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Re: CS>Multiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux & Epilepsy

[carolG]

Paula,
I will write you privately now, but for all it was natural approach, cleansing, 
but Dilantin drug ONLY 10 days. Changing diet--to Vegan--is BIG for us to see 
the 6 week recovery resulting in no animal foods of any sort--if it came from 
animal we don't eat but our dog eats only!  She has no competition from us.

Will write you later as I am at Apple store so count on something tonight.  I 
have been there unexpectedly and shocked, but the outcome speaks loud

If you need me before I respond, email me directly again.  I don't mind! Will 
be 
in Dallas, Oct. 8-9, then Arlington few days!

Carol, Denver, CO, USA






From: Paula Samuels Anthis 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 2:58:01 PM
Subject: CS>Multiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux   &   Epilepsy


Carol,
 
May I ask what natural approaches you took regarding the epilepsy.  If we need 
to go to the off topic list that is fine, or even email me directly.  There is 
so much info out ther I do not know where to start or how to prioritize for 
hubby.  Since you have been ther and found an answer, could you share?  

 
Thanks and blessings from Paula in Palacios
 
Fw: Re: CS>Multiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux
Re: CS>Multiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:38:03 PM
From: 
"carolG" 
To: 
"" 
Janet, thanks for your info., but if my arm was broken as you shared, I would 
go 
for manipulation and putting it back in the socket regardless of the treatment 
if that was the only option. However, knowing self I had severe torn ligaments 
years back, surely surgery for most, but chiro took time and totally healed and 
remains that way decades.

It's a choice and no judgment to anyone's choices, other than one need to be 
educated, if they desire, and then decide for themselves. My husband had 
EPILepsy confirmed, was on drugs for 10 days, but during my search alternatives 
was what we ended up doing.  Over 30+ years back and still healed.  No there is 
no cure for Epilepsy or MS or many other diseases I have heard, but I can say 
this worked and I know of others who had diseases and went alternative with 
victories.  I can't speak for all.  I believe  diet is a big factor and also 
attitude.

I respect your position and not everyone would buy into my thinking. Glad we 
can 
share civilly without judgment. It's all about choices and then for some who 
want to dive into further education outside the doctor's views another choice 
for them.

Just sharing my perspective and not trying to beat anything to death.  Again, 
thanks for sharing.  I'm sure you will help many by your opinion as most tend 
to 
go towards drug route -- their choice.  


It is so confusing for most people to know the right choice as we are bombarded 
with this and that works...who knows...I can only research for hubby and self  
-- not even my adult kids who have infant acid reflux babies on drugsone 
has 
damaged vocal cords at a year sadly and hopefully a miracle will give him his 
vocal cords.  It was not the drugs, but wrong strength for the damaged vocal 
cords -- too weak for his  condition...and then they let this innocent baby  
cry 
when he woke up many times during the night probably because of burning to his 
cordsthey thought he was just wanting to stay upbad call on their part, 
but they don't seem to have any guilt as I would for sure.  I let them make 
their own choices and they go the drug route alwaysthey know my position, 
but I am not the parents...I'm cool with that...millions of kids have infant 
acid reflux...very epidemic too...
Best to ya and thanks.

carol






 From: Garnet_LDN 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 7:17:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Multiple Sclerosis

Although Naltrexone is a drug, the site is not about drug treatment for MS. It 
is about how this

CS>Multiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux & Epilepsy

[Paula Samuels Anthis]

Carol,

May I ask what natural approaches you took regarding the epilepsy.  If we need 
to go to the off topic list that is fine, or even email me directly.  There is 
so much info out ther I do not know where to start or how to prioritize for 
hubby.  Since you have been ther and found an answer, could you share?  


Thanks and blessings from Paula in Palacios

Fw: Re: CS>Multiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux
Re: CS>Multiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:38:03 PM
From: 
"carolG" 
To: 
"" 
Janet, thanks for your info., but if my arm was broken as you shared, I would 
go 
for manipulation and putting it back in the socket regardless of the treatment 
if that was the only option. However, knowing self I had severe torn ligaments 
years back, surely surgery for most, but chiro took time and totally healed and 
remains that way decades.

It's a choice and no judgment to anyone's choices, other than one need to be 
educated, if they desire, and then decide for themselves. My husband had 
EPILepsy confirmed, was on drugs for 10 days, but during my search alternatives 
was what we ended up doing.  Over 30+ years back and still healed.  No there is 
no cure for Epilepsy or MS or many other diseases I have heard, but I can say 
this worked and I know of others who had diseases and went alternative with 
victories.  I can't speak for all.  I believe diet is a big factor and also 
attitude.

I respect your position and not everyone would buy into my thinking. Glad we 
can 
share civilly without judgment. It's all about choices and then for some who 
want to dive into further education outside the doctor's views another choice 
for them.

Just sharing my perspective and not trying to beat anything to death.  Again, 
thanks for sharing.  I'm sure you will help many by your opinion as most tend 
to 
go towards drug route -- their choice.  


It is so confusing for most people to know the right choice as we are bombarded 
with this and that works...who knows...I can only research for hubby and self  
-- not even my adult kids who have infant acid reflux babies on drugsone 
has 
damaged vocal cords at a year sadly and hopefully a miracle will give him his 
vocal cords.  It was not the drugs, but wrong strength for the damaged vocal 
cords -- too weak for his condition...and then they let this innocent baby  cry 
when he woke up many times during the night probably because of burning to his 
cordsthey thought he was just wanting to stay upbad call on their part, 
but they don't seem to have any guilt as I would for sure.  I let them make 
their own choices and they go the drug route alwaysthey know my position, 
but I am not the parents...I'm cool with that...millions of kids have infant 
acid reflux...very epidemic too...
Best to ya and thanks.

carol






From: Garnet_LDN 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 7:17:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Multiple Sclerosis

Although Naltrexone is a drug, the site is not about drug treatment for MS. It 
is about how this
unique effect of blocking opioid receptors for 4-6 hours a day results in a 
rebound modulation of the immune system. There may also be effects on oxidative 
stress through Nitric Oxide and also DNA replication. The drug is a shift in 
paradigm. It increases Met-5-enkephaline which is natural and can be used, aka 
Opioid Growth Factor is costs $3,000 a month and does not have the full range 
of 
benefits.


Natural is good, but if you broke your arm would you allow it to heal naturally?

I'm not saying not to use natural means, many who take LDN do, and the doctors 
generally are holistic with an emphasis on diet and nutriceuticals.

Where there is sensible safe treatment it never hurts to investigate.


Janet

carolG wrote:
> Is site drug oriented for MS? There is great information for the non drug 
> users 
>and those wanting to go more natural. Just wanted people to be exposed to both 
>choices and it's really their choice once they have knowledge as it is power.
> 
> Thanks for sharing.
> 
> carol



  

Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Tad Winiecki]

How are the Guineas on eating vegetables and plants, and scratching up 
mulches?   Do you protect them at night from varmints?  Do they lay eggs 
you can eat?


Nancy

Garnet_LDN wrote:
Indian Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to 
catch.  Nice eggs too.
They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to lay 
numerous eggs, kinda
like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie pool of water to dunk 
themselves in once or twice a day.


No more wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes -- 
but they will also eat your
tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put cages 
around the things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the effort 
and protection form wandering deer.


Janet

ejohns9...@aol.com wrote:
*/We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East TX).  We even 
have fire ant festival yearly.  We have tried many things...even DE.  
It didn't get rid of them.  However, 7 Guineas adopted us 3 years ago 
and our ant, flea, tick problems are almost non existent now.  We are 
so impressed with them that we hatched 60 more last Fall/Winter.  We 
NEVER want to be without them./*

*//* */Edith/*



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Re: CS>Re: CS Rods

[Alejandro Vázquez del Mercado]

Try with *www.silvergen.com* or *customer
serv...@silvergen.com
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Alejandro Vázquez del Mercado
Cuernavaca, Mor., México


2010/7/21 Gwlynda Irek 

> Can anyone give me advise on where to purchase silver rods for my CS
> generator?
>
> Gwlynda Irek
> Country Ridge Bulldogs
>
> www.crbulldog.com
>
> Bulldog Club of America – Preferred Breeder
> Lone Star Bulldog Club
> North Texas Non Sporting
>
> "A little faith will bring your soul to heaven, but a lot of faith will
> bring heaven to your soul".
>
>

Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Garnet_LDN]

Indian Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to catch. 
 Nice eggs too.
They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to lay 
numerous eggs, kinda
like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie pool of water to dunk 
themselves in once or twice a day.


No more wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes -- but 
they will also eat your
tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put cages 
around the things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the effort 
and protection form wandering deer.


Janet

ejohns9...@aol.com wrote:
*/We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East TX).  We even 
have fire ant festival yearly.  We have tried many things...even DE.  
It didn't get rid of them.  However, 7 Guineas adopted us 3 years ago 
and our ant, flea, tick problems are almost non existent now.  We are 
so impressed with them that we hatched 60 more last Fall/Winter.  We 
NEVER want to be without them./*
*//* 
*/Edith/*



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RE: CS>Debunking...

[Norton, Steve]

There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption of
fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the
science isn't completely understood. See below.

 - Steve N

Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the Rat1'
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf

"Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet may
influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for example,
form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration of
magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation  has been shown to
significantly reduce skeletal
uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why high
dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9). On
the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a
significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either
fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors that
may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human
studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form of
magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In the
human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of the
magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period of
rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized
water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were
administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was
insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not
simultaneously present in the diet."



-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:04 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:CS>Debunking...

Dave writes, and quotes:
> *This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads.
> 
> One of the goofiest products I have come across are "Prill
> Beads " which consist of "magnesium oxide infused with Life
> Force." These magical beads [... blah blah blah]

I'd just like to point out that if I'd not kept an open mind the 
blatant idiocy of some vendors way back when would have kept me from 
trying colloidal silver. It's better these days but you can still find 
examples of similar nonsense out there.  

Yes, the verbiage quoted by Dave is representative of too many sources 
that spew that kind of anti-scientific junk targeted only at the 
gullible. So saying, it doesn't prove anything about the product 
either.

There are also user reports from non-vendors that claim benefits, so 
the jury is still out on Prill Beads from what I can see.

All I ask is that everyone be careful with adopting the mindset of a 
"debunker" toward the things shared on this list. There's no reason to 
accept everything blindly, but temperate language and tolerance are 
still in order.

Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CS>Re: CS Rods

[Acmeair]

Title: Re: CS Rods


 
www.ccsilver.com/silver/fines.html   there you go, jimJul 21, 2010 01:14:08 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:
Can anyone give me advise on where to purchase silver rods for my CS generator?Gwlynda IrekCountry Ridge Bulldogswww.crbulldog.comBulldog Club of America – Preferred BreederLone Star Bulldog ClubNorth Texas Non Sporting "A little faith will bring your soul to heaven, but a lot of faith will bring heaven to your soul".


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[Gwlynda Irek]

Can anyone give me advise on where to purchase silver rods for my CS
generator?

Gwlynda Irek
Country Ridge Bulldogs

www.crbulldog.com

Bulldog Club of America ­ Preferred Breeder
Lone Star Bulldog Club
North Texas Non Sporting

"A little faith will bring your soul to heaven, but a lot of faith will
bring heaven to your soul".

CS>Debunking...

[M. G. Devour]

Dave writes, and quotes:
> *This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads.
> 
> One of the goofiest products I have come across are "Prill
> Beads " which consist of "magnesium oxide infused with Life
> Force." These magical beads [... blah blah blah]

I'd just like to point out that if I'd not kept an open mind the 
blatant idiocy of some vendors way back when would have kept me from 
trying colloidal silver. It's better these days but you can still find 
examples of similar nonsense out there.  

Yes, the verbiage quoted by Dave is representative of too many sources 
that spew that kind of anti-scientific junk targeted only at the 
gullible. So saying, it doesn't prove anything about the product 
either.

There are also user reports from non-vendors that claim benefits, so 
the jury is still out on Prill Beads from what I can see.

All I ask is that everyone be careful with adopting the mindset of a 
"debunker" toward the things shared on this list. There's no reason to 
accept everything blindly, but temperate language and tolerance are 
still in order.

Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[EJohns9525]

 
In a message dated 7/21/2010 1:26:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes:

What is a Guinea... pig or fowl???
Thanks.
PT



fowl

Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Ruth Bertella]

Hiya PT,

I'm the guilty party...  I sent a remedy that was sent to me the other day to 
the OT list (I thought) about using Club Soda to get rid of fire ants.   Seems 
DE seems like the superior weapon...   but there are also reports of aspartame 
killin them too.

Ruth
  - Original Message - 
  From: needling around 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:23 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


  Would someone please explain the Club Soda in the subject line of this 
  discussion?  I somehow missed that.
  Thanks.
  PT


  - Original Message - 
  From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 
  To: 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:35 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


  Thank you, thank you thank you Brooks--we don't have fire ants but we do 
  have MILLIONS of the ordinary kind and this stops them DEAD!  dee

  On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:19, Renee wrote:

  > Hey PT.
  >
  > I use the food grade simply because it's what we have for us.  Perhaps the 
  > pool grade would be fine for fire ants though.  My husband HATES them and 
  > would douse them all with gasoline (a VERY quick method of killing a 
  > mound) but I won't let him because I don't like that in my yard.  Although 
  > it's been said that the gas vapors just dissipate very quickly.  Still--it 
  > stinks, and DE is safe if my pets walk through it.
  >
  > Samala,
  > Renee
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ---Original Message---
  >
  > Are you using 'food grade' DE or pool/aquarium grade DE?


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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[needling around]

Would someone please explain the Club Soda in the subject line of this 
discussion?  I somehow missed that.

Thanks.
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Dorothy Fitzpatrick" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


Thank you, thank you thank you Brooks--we don't have fire ants but we do 
have MILLIONS of the ordinary kind and this stops them DEAD!  dee


On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:19, Renee wrote:


Hey PT.

I use the food grade simply because it's what we have for us.  Perhaps the 
pool grade would be fine for fire ants though.  My husband HATES them and 
would douse them all with gasoline (a VERY quick method of killing a 
mound) but I won't let him because I don't like that in my yard.  Although 
it's been said that the gas vapors just dissipate very quickly.  Still--it 
stinks, and DE is safe if my pets walk through it.


Samala,
Renee




---Original Message---

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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[needling around]

What is a Guinea... pig or fowl???
Thanks.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: ejohns9...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:12 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


  We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East TX).  We even have fire 
ant festival yearly.  We have tried many things...even DE.  It didn't get rid 
of them.  However, 7 Guineas adopted us 3 years ago and our ant, flea, tick 
problems are almost non existent now.  We are so impressed with them that we 
hatched 60 more last Fall/Winter.  We NEVER want to be without them.

  Edith

Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[EJohns9525]

We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East  TX).  We even have fire 
ant festival yearly.  We have tried many  things...even DE.  It didn't get 
rid of them.  However, 7 Guineas  adopted us 3 years ago and our ant, flea, 
tick problems are almost non  existent now.  We are so impressed with them 
that we hatched 60 more last  Fall/Winter.  We NEVER want to be without them.
 
Edith

Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Over the years I have dabbled in these sort of things Dave--completely with an 
open mind and hoping to discover something.  At the end of the journey my 
conclusion is that I have to agree with what you say.  dee

On 21 Jul 2010, at 18:10, Dave Darrin wrote:

> This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads.
> 
> One of the goofiest products I have come across are "Prill Beads" which 
> consist of "magnesium oxide infused with Life Force." These magical beads can 
> be pictured as a configuration of the Force of Love. An outer ring containing 
> more than 120,000 pounds of the Crystal form of Love ... and an inner ring 
> where the force is stored. ... Anything placed in this space, simply becomes 
> magical.
> How do they make this magical stuff? By magic, of course!
> 
> Prill beads HA HA what a bunch of BE (bull excrement)
> Of course someone is making money from it. I think that is it's only 
> redeeming factor.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 


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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thank you, thank you thank you Brooks--we don't have fire ants but we do have 
MILLIONS of the ordinary kind and this stops them DEAD!  dee

On 21 Jul 2010, at 16:19, Renee wrote:

> Hey PT.
>  
> I use the food grade simply because it's what we have for us.  Perhaps the 
> pool grade would be fine for fire ants though.  My husband HATES them and 
> would douse them all with gasoline (a VERY quick method of killing a mound) 
> but I won't let him because I don't like that in my yard.  Although it's been 
> said that the gas vapors just dissipate very quickly.  Still--it stinks, and 
> DE is safe if my pets walk through it.
>  
> Samala,
> Renee 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> ---Original Message---
>  
> Are you using 'food grade' DE or pool/aquarium grade DE?


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Re: CS>Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You kill me Ode!  dee

On 21 Jul 2010, at 11:26, Ode Coyote wrote:

> 
> 
>  Yup and I didn't do it twice.
> Just the curry, I think...a lot of it.
> It was pretty darned spicy too.
> Chicken for the gas and curry for the flame?
> Point being, the curry didn't appear to cut down on the gas, but sure made me 
> aware of it for several days after the gas was gone.
> 
> As luck would have it, 2 days later  I had my every 20 years med checkup and 
> got to explain scabbyass...to a gay doctor.  [ DAYAM ! ]
> 
> Ode
> 


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Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles

[Dave Darrin]

*This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads.

One of the goofiest products I have come across are "Prill
Beads"
which consist of "magnesium oxide infused with Life Force." These magical
beads **can be pictured as a configuration of the Force of Love. An outer
ring containing more than 120,000 pounds of the Crystal form of Love ... and
an inner ring where the force is stored. ... Anything placed in this space,
simply becomes magical.*
*How do they make this magical stuff? By magic, of course!

Prill beads HA HA what a bunch of BE (bull excrement)
Of course someone is making money from it. I think that is it's only
redeeming factor.

Dave



*
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM,  wrote:

> "In some magical way..."
>
> Always a bit troubling to read that as it relates to biochemistry...
>
>
>  Hanneke  wrote:
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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Garnet_LDN]

The pool grade is dangerous if inhaled so would not be the best type to 
work with in treating mounds. It's due to the crystalline form of the 
silica in pool grade, being 85% due to heat treatment. It can cause 
silicosis of the lungs and probably other problems.


Food Grade is less than 4% crystalline form so much safer although it is 
still a respiratory irritant and will make some people and animals 
cough, probably just due to the dustiness.


Although chickens sure do seem to love to roll in it in the summer when 
lice are a problem for them.


I have bought Food Grade 50# bags from organic garden suppliers.

Janet

Renee wrote:

Hey PT.
 
I use the food grade simply because it's what we have for us.  Perhaps 
the pool grade would be fine for fire ants though.  My husband HATES 
them and would douse them all with gasoline (a VERY quick method of 
killing a mound) but I won't let him because I don't like that in my 
yard.  Although it's been said that the gas vapors just dissipate very 
quickly.  Still--it stinks, and DE is safe if my pets walk through it.
 
Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
/---Original Message---/
 
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Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[needling around]

Thanks to and Janet for your guidance.  I am in an apartment so a 50# bag is 
difficult to store.  I will keep it in mind for the mounds that get too near 
the building.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:19 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


Hey PT.

I use the food grade simply because it's what we have for us.  Perhaps 
the pool grade would be fine for fire ants though.  My husband HATES them and 
would douse them all with gasoline (a VERY quick method of killing a mound) but 
I won't let him because I don't like that in my yard.  Although it's been said 
that the gas vapors just dissipate very quickly.  Still--it stinks, and DE is 
safe if my pets walk through it. 

Samala,
Renee 




---Original Message---

Are you using 'food grade' DE or pool/aquarium grade DE? 
  
   

Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[Renee]

Hey PT.

I use the food grade simply because it's what we have for us.  Perhaps the
pool grade would be fine for fire ants though.  My husband HATES them and
would douse them all with gasoline (a VERY quick method of killing a mound)
but I won't let him because I don't like that in my yard.  Although it's
been said that the gas vapors just dissipate very quickly.  Still--it stinks
 and DE is safe if my pets walk through it. 

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
Are you using 'food grade' DE or pool/aquarium grade DE?

Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles

[needling around]

Hi Dan,
Was it possible that you were starting to detox from the use of the prill 
water and the taste/smell issues were just a manifestation of this?  I know 
myself, when faced with weird reactions and with no one to ask about them I 
will often abort whatever it is I am doing?  It all depends on *how* 
uncomfortable the problem is making me.

PT
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles


I tried using some Prill beads recently and I stopped after a while.
I started getting some weird taste/smell issues that I attributed to it,
but I can't be entirely sure it was the prill beads...

Also, I have to agree with slickpicker's comment.

Dan


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Hanneke  wrote:

Dan,

I came across Prill beads. In this article, it says that both chlorine and
fluoride dissipates. Have a read of this page and see what you think::
http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/prillbeads.html

This is the excerpt: When you make Prill water, the Prill beads transform
water at the molecular level and make what Jim Carter calls thin water. 
The
water forms single molecules of 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atoms that are 
very

tightly and permanently bound together. In some magical way, the chlorine
and fluoride in the water are dissipated and the water is pure and 
pristine
as glacial water and will super hydrate your body even better than 
clustered
water because you can afford to drink it all day. This is a huge part of 
the

magic of Prill Water.



At 03:31 AM 7/21/2010, you wrote:

Sure, distillation.

Anything else? What about that stuff you add to fish tank water to
neutralize the chlorine?

Dan



On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Garnet_LDN 
wrote:

Distillation.

www.wholesalewaterdistillers.com

They have a one gallon counter top distiller for ~$100, even available
with
a glass
collection jug.

Janet


Dan Nave wrote:


Steve,

Are you aware of any methods to remove fluoride from city water?

Dan

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Norton, Steve 
wrote:



This is interesting. A study has shown that silver nanoparticles
completely
remove endosulfan, malathion and chlorpyrifos from water. The mechanism
of
removal is adsorption followed by catalytic destruction. A household
filter
that uses the technology to remove pesticides from water has been
developed.

- Steve N

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2007/April/20040701.asp

Pesticide filter debuts in India

A domestic water filter that uses metal nanoparticles to remove
dissolved
pesticide residues is about to enter the Indian market. Its developers
at
the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) in Chennai (formerly Madras)
believe it is the first product of its kind in the world to be
commercialised.

Mumbai-based Eureka Forbes Limited, a company that sells water
purification
systems, is collaborating with IIT and has tested the device in the
field
for over six months. Jayachandra Reddy, a technical consultant to the
company, expects the first 1000 units to be sold door-to-door from late
May.

'Our pesticide filter is an offshoot of basic research on the chemistry
of
nanoparticles,' Thalappil Pradeep who led the team at IIT Chennai
told Chemistry World. He and his student Sreekumaran Nair discovered in
2003
that halocarbons such as carbon tetrachloride (CCl4) completely break
down
into metal halides and amorphous carbon upon reaction with gold and
silver
nanoparticles1.

Pradeep said this prompted them to extend their study to include
organochlorine and organophosphorous pesticides, whose presence in 
water

is
posing a health risk in rural India. In research funded by the
Department
of
Science and Technology in New Delhi, his team found2,3 that gold and
silver
nanoparticles loaded on alumina were indeed able to completely remove
endosulfan, malathion and chlorpyrifos - three pesticides that have 
been

found at elevated levels in Indian water supplies.

Use and recycle

The mechanism of removal is 'adsorption followed by catalytic
destruction',
Pradeep explained. 'The chemistry occurs in a wide concentration range
of
environmental significance.' He added that tests proved silver 
particles

from the filter are not released into the water. The IIT study found
that
gold particles perform better in the case of endosulfan. However, for
cost
reasons, the commercialised filters use only silver particles, which
range
in size from 60 to 80 nanometres at a concentration (on their alumina
support) of 33 parts per million.

'Based on consumption patterns of a typical Indian household, the 
filter

is
designed to have enough nanomaterials to provide 6000 litres of
pesticide-free water for one year,' Pradeep said. 'After that, the
company
will recycle the filters to recover the silver.'

Use of nanoparticles for environmental remediation is an emerging area
of
research worldwide. Nanoscale iron powders had been shown to degrade
other
pesticides, including DDT a

Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles

[Dan Nave]

Thanks for this Steve.  I will read up on it.

Dan

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Norton, Steve  wrote:
>
> There is no simple solution that I know of. There is no whole house practical 
> solution that I know of. For drinking water the primary methods are 
> distillation, activated Alumina (aluminum oxide), reverse osmosis, fluoride 
> ion exchange resin and bone char. You can purchase the RO, activated Alumina 
> or fluoride ion exchange resin systems. For DIY the bone char is fairly easy 
> to use. Bone char also removes a number of other contaminants. See:
> http://www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com/bone_char
> http://www.buyactivatedcharcoal.com/bone_char_20x60mesh
>
> But fluoride is readily absorbed through the skin so if you have fluoride in 
> your house water you will still get some fluoride internally. I think that 
> the best options lie in reducing fluoride ingestion as much as you can and 
> then augmenting it with supplements that eliminate fluoride from the body. 
> Perhaps the best for this is iodine supplementation This will also remove 
> excess bromide as well as the fluoride.
>
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_May/ai_100767875
>
> "With 3 tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline level; 
> and for bromide, 18 times baseline level. These high levels persisted even 
> after one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline 
> level for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide. After one month, the estimated 
> total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg fluoride and 8700mg bromide."
>
>
> Some other substances that help eliminate fluoride are borax and the Tamarind 
> fruit.
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11840184?dopt=Abstract
>
> http://fluoridationqueensland.com/blog/fluoridating-queenslands-water-supplies/
>
> "Boron effectively counteracts symptoms of fluoride intoxication in humans 
> (Zhou et al. 1987) and in experimentally poisoned rabbits (Elsair et al. 
> 1980a, 1980b, 1981). Humans suffering from skeletal fluorosis experienced 50 
> to 80% improvement after drinking solutions containing 300 to 1,100 mg of 
> borax/L daily, 3 weeks a month for 3 months (Zhou et al. 1987). Boron 
> enhances sequestration of fluoride from bone and excretion through kidneys 
> and possibly the intestinal tract (Elair et al. 1980a, 1981)."
>
>
> The method for using borax is to dissolve the borax 1/32 teaspoon to 1/4 
> teaspoon in one liter of drinking water and drink throughout the day. A 
> woman's dose is 1/8 tsp, a man's dose is 1/4 tsp dissolved in one liter of 
> drinking water.
>
>  - Steve N
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:01 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles
>
> Sure, distillation.
>
> Anything else?  What about that stuff you add to fish tank water to
> neutralize the chlorine?
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Garnet_LDN  wrote:
>> Distillation.
>>
>> www.wholesalewaterdistillers.com
>>
>> They have a one gallon counter top distiller for ~$100, even available with
>> a glass
>> collection jug.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>>
>> Dan Nave wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Are you aware of any methods to remove fluoride from city water?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Norton, Steve 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 This is interesting. A study has shown that silver nanoparticles
 completely
 remove endosulfan, malathion and chlorpyrifos from water. The mechanism
 of
 removal is adsorption followed by catalytic destruction. A household
 filter
 that uses the technology to remove pesticides from water has been
 developed.

 -       Steve N

 http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2007/April/20040701.asp

 Pesticide filter debuts in India

 A domestic water filter that uses metal nanoparticles to remove dissolved
 pesticide residues is about to enter the Indian market. Its developers at
 the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) in Chennai (formerly Madras)
 believe it is the first product of its kind in the world to be
 commercialised.

 Mumbai-based Eureka Forbes Limited, a company that sells water
 purification
 systems, is collaborating with IIT and has tested the device in the field
 for over six months. Jayachandra Reddy, a technical consultant to the
 company, expects the first 1000 units to be sold door-to-door from late
 May.

 'Our pesticide filter is an offshoot of basic research on the chemistry
 of
 nanoparticles,' Thalappil Pradeep who led the team at IIT Chennai
 told Chemistry World. He and his student Sreekumaran Nair discovered in
 2003
 that halocarbons such as carbon tetrachloride (CCl4) completely break
 down
 into metal halides and amorphous carbon upon reaction with gold and
 silver
 nanoparticles1.

Re: CS>It's happening this morning!

[Lin]

My apologies in advance, as this is off topic, but has been discussed here 
in the past.
Today begining at 10AM  the USA Veterans Affairs Committtee is holding a 
round table discussion revolving
around inovative new treatments for traumatic brain injury and 
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder


Dawson Church, PhD will be one of the speakers introducing EFT , Emotional 
Freedom Technique/Meridian Tapping, advocating concrete steps for adopting 
EFT for providing mental health care with Veterans.


The recent studies that resulted in a new documentary film titled 
"Operation:Emotional Freedom  The Answer", has shown the remarkable results 
that can EFT can bring to fast, long lasting healing to Vets for billions of 
dollars less than is currently being spent.


It appears there will also be other intersting new healing treatments 
discussed


Here is the link to listen 
live:http://veterans.house.gov/hearings/hearing.aspx?NewsID=605


Lin



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Re: CS>Pesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles

[Dan Nave]

I tried using some Prill beads recently and I stopped after a while.
I started getting some weird taste/smell issues that I attributed to it,
but I can't be entirely sure it was the prill beads...

Also, I have to agree with slickpicker's comment.

Dan


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Hanneke  wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I came across Prill beads.  In this article, it says that both chlorine and
> fluoride dissipates. Have a read of this page and see what you think::
> http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/prillbeads.html
>
> This is the excerpt: When you make Prill water, the Prill beads transform
> water at the molecular level and make what Jim Carter calls thin water. The
> water forms single molecules of 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atoms that are very
> tightly and permanently bound together. In some magical way, the chlorine
> and fluoride in the water are dissipated and the water is pure and pristine
> as glacial water and will super hydrate your body even better than clustered
> water because you can afford to drink it all day. This is a huge part of the
> magic of Prill Water.
>
>
>
> At 03:31 AM 7/21/2010, you wrote:
>
> Sure, distillation.
>
> Anything else?  What about that stuff you add to fish tank water to
> neutralize the chlorine?
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Garnet_LDN 
> wrote:
>> Distillation.
>>
>> www.wholesalewaterdistillers.com
>>
>> They have a one gallon counter top distiller for ~$100, even available
>> with
>> a glass
>> collection jug.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>>
>> Dan Nave wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Are you aware of any methods to remove fluoride from city water?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Norton, Steve 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 This is interesting. A study has shown that silver nanoparticles
 completely
 remove endosulfan, malathion and chlorpyrifos from water. The mechanism
 of
 removal is adsorption followed by catalytic destruction. A household
 filter
 that uses the technology to remove pesticides from water has been
 developed.

 -   Steve N

 http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2007/April/20040701.asp

 Pesticide filter debuts in India

 A domestic water filter that uses metal nanoparticles to remove
 dissolved
 pesticide residues is about to enter the Indian market. Its developers
 at
 the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) in Chennai (formerly Madras)
 believe it is the first product of its kind in the world to be
 commercialised.

 Mumbai-based Eureka Forbes Limited, a company that sells water
 purification
 systems, is collaborating with IIT and has tested the device in the
 field
 for over six months. Jayachandra Reddy, a technical consultant to the
 company, expects the first 1000 units to be sold door-to-door from late
 May.

 'Our pesticide filter is an offshoot of basic research on the chemistry
 of
 nanoparticles,' Thalappil Pradeep who led the team at IIT Chennai
 told Chemistry World. He and his student Sreekumaran Nair discovered in
 2003
 that halocarbons such as carbon tetrachloride (CCl4) completely break
 down
 into metal halides and amorphous carbon upon reaction with gold and
 silver
 nanoparticles1.

 Pradeep said this prompted them to extend their study to include
 organochlorine and organophosphorous pesticides, whose presence in water
 is
 posing a health risk in rural India. In research funded by the
 Department
 of
 Science and Technology in New Delhi, his team found2,3 that gold and
 silver
 nanoparticles loaded on alumina were indeed able to completely remove
 endosulfan, malathion and chlorpyrifos - three pesticides that have been
 found at elevated levels in Indian water supplies.

 Use and recycle

 The mechanism of removal is 'adsorption followed by catalytic
 destruction',
 Pradeep explained. 'The chemistry occurs in a wide concentration range
 of
 environmental significance.' He added that tests proved silver particles
 from the filter are not released into the water. The IIT study found
 that
 gold particles perform better in the case of endosulfan. However, for
 cost
 reasons, the commercialised filters use only silver particles, which
 range
 in size from 60 to 80 nanometres at a concentration (on their alumina
 support) of 33 parts per million.

 'Based on consumption patterns of a typical Indian household, the filter
 is
 designed to have enough nanomaterials to provide 6000 litres of
 pesticide-free water for one year,' Pradeep said. 'After that, the
 company
 will recycle the filters to recover the silver.'

 Use of nanoparticles for environmental remediation is an emerging area
 of
 research worldwide. Nanoscale iron powders had been shown to degrade
 other
 pesticides, including DD

Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

[needling around]

Hi Renee,
Are you using 'food grade' DE or pool/aquarium grade DE?
Thanks... we have them here in south Florida also!
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:02 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Club Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


Hi Brooks.  Here in south Texas, where fire ants are rampant, we found 
that the best way was to sprinkle some DE around the mound, then stir the mound 
up to get zillions of them to come buzzing out of the mound, then while they 
are swarming around the mound dump a bunch more DE on.

Only the very largest mounds needed another 'dose' the next day, but 
those were rare and always after the second dose they were gone.  Whether all 
dead or moved away, I don't know, but the mound would be done with and they 
never built close to that area with a new mound.

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---

 our research using amorphous diatomaceous earth revealed
that NOTHING WE EMPLOYED equaled the ability to incite fire ants to
move to another location 
  
   

Re: CS>back after seven years

[Ode Coyote]

  Blood Electrification...Zappers etc

Ode


At 10:32 AM 7/20/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi There Ode, what does BE stand for I missed that one - so would you
be kind enough to expand!!!
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions

[Ode Coyote]

  Yup and I didn't do it twice.
Just the curry, I think...a lot of it.
It was pretty darned spicy too.
 Chicken for the gas and curry for the flame?
Point being, the curry didn't appear to cut down on the gas, but sure made 
me aware of it for several days after the gas was gone.


As luck would have it, 2 days later  I had my every 20 years med checkup 
and got to explain scabbyass...to a gay doctor.  [ DAYAM ! ]


Ode

At 07:18 AM 7/20/2010 -0700, you wrote:

That's disgusting!  What the h...@ll else did you eat???
- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions





  I like curry a bunch, but one time after eating a boatload of 
delicious curried chicken , it MADE be fart and the gasses were so 
corrosive they LITERALLY ate the skin off my buttcheeksBIG scab for WEEKS !


Ode

At 12:43 AM 7/20/2010 -0500, you wrote:


My only question is: Will curry help when you eat beans?

-   Steve N

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/curry-spices-for-cows-and-sheep-could-cut-methane-emissions-2029761.html

Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions



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RE: CS>Diatherm system

[Elizabeth Williams]

Here is a link to an old article about the diatherm

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/11/22/what-you-should-know-about-diathermy/



Elizabeth Williams
belzi...@hotmail.com



 


From: zzekel...@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:04:41 -0400
Subject: Re: CS>Diatherm system
To: silver-list@eskimo.com



In a message dated 7/20/2010 8:07:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
stephen.nor...@ngc.com writes:

I ran across an antique medical device labeled a Portable Diatherm. I consists 
of two typewriter size cases and appears to be an RF type diathermy machine. 
From what I can gather it uses RF to generate localized heating in the tissues 
and is used for healing. It has a variable capacitor adjustment like you would 
see on an old radio, an output meter and three things that might be spark gap 
gaps (?). 
Anyone know anything about diathermy machines? Is there any value to trying to 
get this one to work? Would it be any better than IR LEDs?
Thanks,
 Steve

Hi Steve, maybe check with bG on the --germkiller sign in   site... It is the 
one with godzilla... & bG is very helpful & might just know what it is & how it 
works...Keep us posted...Lois   
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Re: CS>Multiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux

[Tad Winiecki]

As for Naltrexone, if you look up the chemical structure and compare 
that with morphine, you will find they vary in only a few molecules.  So 
since morphine is a naturally derived opiate, Naltrexone cannot really 
be classed with the pharmaceuticals that are synthetic chemicals that 
affect enzymes in the body.  Naltrexone also ties up opiate receptor 
sites in opposition to Morphine in the body but without causing a "high" 
or narcotic effect, which is why it works to get people off narcotics 
and alcohol.  By binding the site, it boosts the release of natural 
endorphins in the body, so boosts the immune system.


I am as opposed to prescription drugs as anyone, but I find this to be 
different from most allopathic medicine, being naturally derived.  And 
the low dose Naltrexone, 1/11th of a pill or less, is such a small 
amount it doesn't affect the liver like the full-strength Naltrexone may 
over a long time.  I just wish my Dad could have taken it for his 
parkinson's to see if it would have caused some improvement.


Nancy


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Re: CS>back after seven years

[Vigilius Haufniensis]

The cure for MS has very likely been found. It's called the LIBERATION 
TREATMENT.  Check it out. 






arthur rambo wrote:
I was also going to suggest LDN, it works as an immune modulator. No 
side effects. Best taken at 9pm, in  3.5 mgs  Yahoo also has a group 
for it.



*From:* Roger Barker 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, July 19, 2010 2:08:28 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>back after seven years

Hi Reid, you might like to check out the use of LDN (low dose 
naltrexone) at  http://www.webspawner.com/users/introtoldn/index.html
I've no personal experience using it for MS but from what I've read it 
does seem to work for many people.


Cheers, Roger B
NZ


On 20/07/2010, at 5:39 AM, A. Reid Harvey wrote:


Hi all!
 
After all of these years I'm back with a pressing question, 
concerning multiple sclerosis. An acquaintance I've mine is afflicted 
with this, and I'm recalling the sage words of many on the list, that 
*there are no incurable illnesses; only incurable people.*
 
From back when I was on the list I seem to recall that blood 
electrification could greatly assist victims of MS. Is this true, and 
if so, how? I also recall a regime that made use of three nine volt 
batteries, daisy chained, with terminals on either side of the artery 
at the wrist. I'd also like those on the list to know that I've 
assisted several friends with BE. In several cases these friends were 
able to remedy serious toothaches, using BE.
 
Incidentally, about CS, I continue to take this regularly, and 
believe that my not having had a cold in eight years, can be 
attributed to this. And as a ceramist I've put into practice more of 
what I learned on the list. Following my on list communication of 
seven years ago I assisted in startup of production and use of silver 
treated pottery candle filters, in Nepal, Kenya and Indonesia.  These 
are low cost filter systems, and for example, in Kenya there's a slum 
in which our silver treated systems are in use in nearly 1,000 
HIV-AIDS households.
 
Now I want to remain on thie list for a while, mostly to further 
refine my understanding.  For now my question is: does BE assist with 
those who suffer from MS? or is there another remedy?
 
Reid Harvey

www.SilverCeramicSystems.com 
 



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