date:20101005

I take serrapeptase daily and started because my legs didn't have good 
circulation and I had relief in less than two weeks, taken as recommended, and 
reduced to dosage to half for the duration of a large bottle of 40,000 units..  
However, I also took lecithin at the same time.  Lecithin will emulsify fats, 
so I feel it helps to keep arteries clean and serrapeptase helps to eat away at 
the inflammation and reduce the plaque.

That said, I don't know how serrapeptase can break off plaque in a chunk.  I 
don't know of any reported case where a chunk of plaque has caused a stoke, 
but have heard of plaque build up causing a blockage, as well as a blood clot 
causing a blockage.  Serrapeptase 'digests' plaque but I've never heard that it 
bores holes into it or causes it to break apart.  I would hate for people to 
not use this wonderful enzyme because they would hear that it causes plaque to 
break apart, yet I can find no reports at all on the web that this is the case.

It's sad to me that people don't follow what is recommended, when self healing. 
 Too much of a good thing is no longer a good thing in many cases of natural 
healing.  As Renee stated, two different people on two different lists said 
this happened to them..  If these people are on this type of list, who are they 
reporting the side effect to so that the world knows this happened?  Are they 
taking bad recommendations without doing needed research to back up what ever 
they read?  Who is the expert they have come to trust?  If such a thing had 
happened to me, I would be reporting it far and wide, even if it were my own 
fault for over-dosing.

I fully understand that many of us are pioneers and use ourselves as lab rats 
in our attempt to self heal with the use of alternative remedies, but this has 
to be done with common sense.  This silverlist has been my source of 
information about silver for at least 6 years, and I know who I am dealing 
with, who I can trust on here, who the experts are, when gathering information 
and using protocols related to silver.  I don't take anything said on here as 
gospel without seeing agreements by others and some sources to back things up.  
When there are many contradictions, then I have to choose who makes the most 
sensible argument.

Diane 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 7:00 PM
  Subject: RE: CShelp re cholesterol


Be careful of taking the serrapeptase and don't try to push it.  Follow 
the dosage no the bottle.  Taking too much too fast can 'chunk' off bits of 
plaque which can travel and cause strokes.  Happened to 2 people on 2 different 
lists I'm on, trying to get rid of their plaque too fast.  

It's safe is used as directed.

Samala,
Renee 




---Original Message---


I'm taking serrapeptase...but at the dosage on the bottle (I've read 
that
others increase it substanstially). Marshall, can you give an 
approximate
dosage amount in which this would happen in about a month?

Re: CShelp re cholesterol

Trem,

Please tell us what is too much, how often you took it, what other supplements 
you were taking, where was the blockage located,  and exactly why you believe 
it was the serrapeptase that caused the stroke.  This is vital information for 
anyone who uses serrapeptase.

Diane 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Trem 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 7:54 PM
  Subject: Re: CShelp re cholesterol


  Too much got me.  Had a stroke.

  Trem
- Original Message - 
From: Renee 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: CShelp re cholesterol


  Be careful of taking the serrapeptase and don't try to push it.  
Follow the dosage no the bottle.  Taking too much too fast can 'chunk' off bits 
of plaque which can travel and cause strokes.  Happened to 2 people on 2 
different lists I'm on, trying to get rid of their plaque too fast.  

  It's safe is used as directed.

  Samala,
  Renee 




  ---Original Message---


  I'm taking serrapeptase...but at the dosage on the bottle (I've read 
that
  others increase it substanstially). Marshall, can you give an 
approximate
  dosage amount in which this would happen in about a month?
 

 







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Re: CS

Barbara,

If you want to keep your friend, agree to disagree and all will be well!  LOL!

Trying to convert someone who is so into the medical field, and does not do 
personal health research for alternative remedies, is a never ending battle.

My own brother has seen proof of what CS can do for his kids cuts, scrapes, eye 
infections, sore throat, coughs, nasal congestion, but he thinks it all 
hogwash.  His kids ask me monthly to make them a new bottle of CS and they are 
three boys under 10 years old!  I make it for them and they refill their nasal 
sprayer, and each keeps a squeeze bottle in their room and use it when feeling 
sick.

Diane 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Barbara A. 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:25 PM
  Subject: CS


  Since this is my first post, I'll introduce myself by saying I have my own 
generator, an SG6 SilverGen. I have some questions regarding getting a stronger 
ppm, but for now, I have another issue which came up tonight:

   

  I have a friend who is trying to set me straight about using colloidal 
silver. Here is her email to me:

  Barb,

  Had some time to look up this substance on a couple of trusted websites for 
herbals and other things.

  This is one we use in the health region.

  I had some concerns as the consequences in using this substance are severe.

  Just look under the herbs section.

  Take care

  Judy 



  database 

  Natural standard 

  http://www.naturalstandard.com/naturalstandard/index.asp

   

  I can't access the site without a subscription. Has anyone heard of it? 

  It bothers me that she is only looking at sites her hospital uses for 
research. When I told her I use colloidal for everything from a sore throat, 
eye infections, cuts, use it on my animals, she told me the placebo effect of 
these alternative therapies is a remarkable thing.  

   

  So I need some ammunition! Since she is very technical, a good published 
study would be great!

   

  Thanks. Barbara

Re: CSColloidal silver lozenges

Bethany,

I keep colloidal silver in a spray bottle and use it for mouth applications, 
and for sore throats, I just hold it in the mouth longer and gargle with it 
before swallowing.  No sense it making a lozenge for it and adding things into 
it that aren't needed.

Diane
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bethany Methven 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:03 AM
  Subject: CSColloidal silver lozenges


I am working on coming up with a colloidal silver throat lozenge.  I am 
wondering if anyone else has experimented with them. Any input on whether or 
not I would alter the colloidal silver in a bad way if I added vitamin C, non 
sugar sweeteners and boiled them into a hard candy form?   I have had lots of 
people ask for me to come up with some new colloidal silver products and I'm 
wondering, after the colloidal silver is made, can I mess with the molecular 
structure in a bad way by boiling it with other substances?  I would love any 
feedback.
Thanks - Bethany


 Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things 
not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Re: CSSG6 and Severe Consequences

There are 2 ways to get stronger CS using a SilverGen.

They can both be done together.

Put a tight bend at the very top of the electrode strips so they can be
further apart, yet still parallel. [this will shorten them a little,in effect]
Just bending them just a bit away from each other, out of parallel, will
do something too..and limit tip discharge to make the strips last longer.
[A slight bend on the lower 1/2 inch or so will do about the same without
risking the middle or top going away first ..observe and adjust ]

Re run batches after they have stabilized for a day or so once the
generator will no longer run, you will have almost doubled the strength.

Making the electrodes shorter will also make it stronger, but TOO short
will exceed the current density calculations resulting in a greater
likelihood that the CS won't be nice even at a lower PPM.

Addressing your primary question:

Look up oligodynamic action in almost any scientific tome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligodynamic_effect

Note that Silver is not a heavy metal..it's a Noble metal.
Copper and Zinc also work quite well, but unlike Silver, are
micro-nutrients that can be toxic if over done.
There is no known toxic dose of Silver that falls into the range of
anything reasonable or likely to happen even by accident or ignorance.
There are no Severe Consequences, but there are a lot of misinfo parrots
that never dig for the truth.

Some Silver compounds can be toxic or even corrosive, but not because of
the Silver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrassBrass doorknobs disinfect themselves
in about eight hours, while stainless steel and aluminium knobs never
do. [ Brass is a copper/zinc alloy. ]

..many hospitals are returning to the use of brass doorknobs.

Curad Brand Silver Bandaids use a silver woven fabric to release silver
ions into wounds via a battery effect with an Aluminum woven fabric using
body fluids as the electrolyte...a mini CS generator.

Ode

At 08:25 PM 10/4/2010 -0600, you wrote:

Since this is my first post, Ill introduce myself by saying I have my own
generator, an SG6 SilverGen. I have some questions regarding getting a
stronger ppm, but for now, I have another issue which came up tonight:

I have a friend who is trying to set me straight about using colloidal
silver. Here is her email to me:

Barb,

Had some time to look up this substance on a couple of trusted websites
for herbals and other things.

This is one we use in the health region.

I had some concerns as the consequences in using this substance are severe.

Just look under the herbs section.

Take care

Judy

database

Natural standard

http://www.naturalstandard.com/naturalstandard/index.asphttp://www.naturalstandard.com/naturalstandard/index.asp

I cant access the site without a subscription. Has anyone heard of it?

It bothers me that she is only looking at sites her hospital uses for
research. When I told her I use colloidal for everything from a sore
throat, eye infections, cuts, use it on my animals, she told me the
placebo effect of these alternative therapies is a remarkable thing.

So I need some ammunition! Since she is very technical, a good published
study would be great!

Thanks. Barbara

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Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar




 How could the OH [-] ions ever combine with themselves against very 
strong repulsive forces any more than an Ag ion could?

 The mystery here is why ALL of the Ag ions don't become AgOH and AgO.

Why does conductivity stop dropping?

Ode


At 11:59 AM 10/4/2010 -0400, you wrote:

 I believe that the process is as follows:

1. the OH and H of the water molecule are attracted to opposite electrodes.
2. When the OH reaches the anode it reacts with a silver [ion] producing 
AgOH, that is silver hydroxide
3. The silver hydroxides tend to bang into each other and silver particles 
in colloidal form near the electrode and produce a silver particle or 
enlarge it.  The remaining OH combines producing water and oxygent.


Marshall

On 10/2/2010 3:13 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
What about 'repelled?'  If I understand the process correctly, doesn't it 
require a minimum voltage to cause the silver to be 'repelled' from the 
electrode in the form of ions?


As those ions are in constant rapid movement in the water {I believe 
that's called Zeta potential} they collide with each other and some 
'stick' to each other {I believe that's called van der Waals force of 
mutual attraction/repulsion} forming atomic clusters of those silver 
ions...commonly referred to as 'particles', and as some may collide more 
than others that's where larger 'particles?' are formed.


Howzat Sir/Maam?  Am I close? Do I get a star? g

N.

 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:36:03 -0700
 From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 Hi Dan.  Thanks for that information.  I was using (and have been, for 
years) a
 term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by which 
silver
 particles leave the electrodes.  Oddly enough -- when I Googled it, 
they didn't
 even have that word spelled that way.  They have he word *sinter* -- 
and it does
 have a different meaning, you're right.  I will check a dictionary as 
well.


 So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated (howzat?) 
from the

 electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination results in
 agglomeration which becomes large particles.  Right?

 MA



 - Original Message 
  From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
 
  First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what you
  are trying to describe.  It is inappropriate to use that word in this
  context.  Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it.
 
  Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are undercut
  and break off the electrodes in any significant way.
 
  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland
  marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   Hi Jan.  Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of the 
jar, that
   is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is 
therefore too
   large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water.  It 
could have
   been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or 
something

   less than perfect in the distilled water.

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Re: CSColloidal silver lozenges




  Silver Acetate lozenges have been on the market for decades...there has, 
however, been a few cases of the Smurf as a result of over indulgence.


Ode


At 11:03 PM 10/4/2010 -0700, you wrote:
I am working on coming up with a colloidal silver throat lozenge.  I am 
wondering if anyone else has experimented with them. Any input on whether 
or not I would alter the colloidal silver in a bad way if I added vitamin 
C, non sugar sweeteners and boiled them into a hard candy form?   I have 
had lots of people ask for me to come up with some new colloidal silver 
products and I'm wondering, after the colloidal silver is made, can I mess 
with the molecular structure in a bad way by boiling it with other 
substances?  I would love any feedback.

Thanks - Bethany

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seen. Hebrews 11:1








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Re: CSOn a personal note............




  MY dad started using sea salt and the more he used, the more his BP went 
down.
 Apparently sodium retention and elimination is keyed to the availability 
of other minerals.


Ode



At 06:50 PM 10/4/2010 -1000, you wrote:


... Now if we could just get my Dad to stop eating salt and sodium ...


Replace his table salt with sea salt.
(without him knowing)
That way he'll get some minerals too .

Smitty



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Re: CSColloidal silver lozenges


http://www.iherb.com/Trimedica-Silva-Solution-Silver-Lozenges-30-Lozenges/21287?utm_source=gbutm_medium=f3

Ode

At 11:03 PM 10/4/2010 -0700, you wrote:
I am working on coming up with a colloidal silver throat lozenge.  I am 
wondering if anyone else has experimented with them. Any input on whether 
or not I would alter the colloidal silver in a bad way if I added vitamin 
C, non sugar sweeteners and boiled them into a hard candy form?   I have 
had lots of people ask for me to come up with some new colloidal silver 
products and I'm wondering, after the colloidal silver is made, can I mess 
with the molecular structure in a bad way by boiling it with other 
substances?  I would love any feedback.

Thanks - Bethany

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seen. Hebrews 11:1








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Re: CSDiane: ... about breaking off plague causing stroke...

2010-10-05 Thread Hanneke


This email was sent to the list by Trem who is a member here...

At 02:06 AM 9/09/2010, Trem wrote:
I thought if some is good, more is better  Started taking 300,000 
units daily and within two weeks a clump of plaque came loose and 
went to my brain, making me stroke.  Lost my right temporal lobe but 
everything else still works.  Be careful with large doses.  I now 
take 40,000 daily.


Trem


- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: CSA perplexing Problem



I would use 200,000 units a day.  If you go too high the plaque can be
removed too fast, and since it was supporting the arteries, the arteries
can have weakened over time.  They need time to strengthen as the plaque
is removed so they don't collapse.

Marshall

Hanneke wrote:

Marshall,

what kind of a dose would you suggest in a case like this with roughly
4 weeks to spare til the surgery?

At 12:58 AM 8/09/2010, you wrote:

If it is for bypass surgery, immediately get him on some serrapeptase
IMMEDIATELY.  I think that if he can take it for a month, they will
likely cancel the surgery. Everyone I know who has done this has been
able to do that. The biggest problem is if the blockage is so great
the serrapeptase is unable to get into the vessel to dissolve the
cholesterol deposits quick enough for  your schedule.  If you can
clear them out before the surgery that will save you a procedure
that  be deadly and tens of thousands of dollars as

well.


Marshall

MaryAnn Helland wrote:

Omigod -- what happens to patients after open-heart surgery?  My
husband is scheduled for it on October 5th.
MA



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Re: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-05 Thread Heidrun Beer

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:08:14 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote in
5.2.0.9.2.20101005060517.019db...@pop.windstream.net:

   MY dad started using sea salt and the more he used, the more his BP went 
down.
  Apparently sodium retention and elimination is keyed to the availability 
of other minerals.


Yes, potassium in this case.

BTW today I was at the doctor's and had him take out
500 ml of blood. After that my blood pressure was 
at 130/82, in the ideal range. It had gone up quite
badly in the last very stressful months.

Tried last week to donate blood, after I had read how
well that works against high BP, but they wouldn't
take me because of a lyme infection earlier this years.

Another thing that was successful for me was 10 bottles
of EDTA last year. After that I had to quit the BP 
pills, because I would get too dizzy. 

I would have gone back for more, but can't afford it 
at the moment. If your Dad can afford EDTA, this would
be ideal, in my opinion. Not only brings BP down, but 
also opens the blood vessels. All circulation related
problems go away - bad hearing, bad vision, ED, 
smoker's legs etc. etc. Saves a heart bypass operation.




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Re: CSDiane: ... about breaking off plague causing stroke...

2010-10-05 Thread j petras

Does someone have knowledge/experience with EDTA chelation in removing arterial 
plaque? Would it be a good alternative? It sounds like serrapeptase can have 
considerable risk attached unless done in a very measured way. 
John

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From: Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net
Subject: Re: CSDiane:  ... about  breaking off plague causing stroke...
To: silver-list@eskimo.com, silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 7:40 AM

This email was sent to the list by Trem who is a member here...

At 02:06 AM 9/09/2010, Trem wrote:
I thought if some is good, more is better  Started taking 300,000 
units daily and within two weeks a clump of plaque came loose and 
went to my brain, making me stroke.  Lost my right temporal lobe but 
everything else still works.  Be careful with large doses.  I now 
take 40,000 daily.

Trem

- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: CSA perplexing Problem

I would use 200,000 units a day.  If you go too high the plaque can be
removed too fast, and since it was supporting the arteries, the arteries
can have weakened over time.  They need time to strengthen as the plaque
is removed so they don't collapse.

Marshall

Hanneke wrote:
Marshall,

what kind of a dose would you suggest in a case like this with roughly
4 weeks to spare til the surgery?

At 12:58 AM 8/09/2010, you wrote:
If it is for bypass surgery, immediately get him on some serrapeptase
IMMEDIATELY.  I think that if he can take it for a month, they will
likely cancel the surgery. Everyone I know who has done this has been
able to do that. The biggest problem is if the blockage is so great
the serrapeptase is unable to get into the vessel to dissolve the
cholesterol deposits quick enough for  your schedule.  If you can
clear them out before the surgery that will save you a procedure
that  be deadly and tens of thousands of dollars as
well.

Marshall

MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Omigod -- what happens to patients after open-heart surgery?  My
husband is scheduled for it on October 5th.
MA

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Re: CSDiane: ... about breaking off plague causing stroke...

2010-10-05 Thread Heidrun Beer

On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:08:12 -0700 (PDT), j petras wrote in
486437.97056...@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com:

Does someone have knowledge/experience with EDTA chelation in removing 
arterial plaque? Would it be a good alternative? It sounds like serrapeptase 
can have considerable risk attached unless done in a very measured way. 
John



I just sent info about that a minute ago. 

Coincidences :-))



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Re: CShelp re cholesterol Question

2010-10-05 Thread mborgert

My cholesterol,since 2000, has been 284. I am in perfect health, and 67 yrs. My 
doc said if it reached 325 than worry.

From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 4:48:28 PM
Subject: Re: CShelp re cholesterol Question

Is there any high level that one should be concerned about?  Is there 
anyother 
syptom that goes along with high cholesterol one should watch for?
thanks in advance,
Debbie

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 2:09:31 PM
Subject: Re: CShelp re cholesterol

I have read in many knowledgeable sources that 'high' cholesterol is 
irrelevant.  We all need cholesterol all the time to repair everything in our 
bodies.  The brain is largely cholesterol so to try and reduce it would be 
madness in my opinion.  Also, we are all different and what might be deemed 
high 
by the medics, could indeed be perfectly normal for *that* person so to mess 
with it could potentially be disastrous!  dee

On 4 Oct 2010, at 18:12, needling around wrote:

 A friend in his 30s has been found to have high cholesterol.  I did some 
research in the archives and sent along some info.  I was wondering if anyone 
had any specific recommendations for this situation.  He is not overweight.
 Thanks.
 PT

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Re: CSColloidal silver lozenges

2010-10-05 Thread parj...@bellsouth.net

I think that would be great, please don't give up
God Bless
Jacques

 http://www.agsanasilver.com/








From: Diane Mackey dmacke...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 6:30:43 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal silver lozenges

 
Bethany,
 
I keep colloidal silver in a spray bottle and use it for mouth  applications, 
and for sore throats, I just hold it in the mouth longer and  gargle with it 
before swallowing.  No sense it making a lozenge for it and  adding things into 
it that aren't needed.

Diane
- Original Message - 
From: BethanyMethven 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 2:03AM
Subject: CSColloidal silverlozenges


I am working on coming up with a colloidal silver throat  lozenge.  I 
am 
wondering if anyone else has experimented with them.  Any input on 
whether or not I would alter the colloidal silver in a bad  way if I 
added vitamin C, non sugar sweeteners and boiled them into a  hard 
candy form?   I have had lots of people ask for me to  come up with 
some new colloidal silver products and I'm wondering, after  the 
colloidal silver is made, can I mess with the molecular structure in  
a 
bad way by boiling it with other substances?  I would love any  
feedback.
Thanks - Bethany


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not seen. Hebrews  11:1

CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #817

2010-10-05 Thread Melly Bag

Heidrun
 
Blood pressure is based on how one's heart pumps and blood flows to the 
heart.   I know blood drawing is not the answer to high blood pressure.  
 
My bp went down when i stopped using the table salts and used sea salt and 
avoided soy sauce, fish sauce, etc. which contain benzoates.  When i started to 
properly hydrate myself taking 1/4 cup of water at a time during the course of 
the day with intervals of around 20 minutes per intake my bp even got better.

Here is a tip: when blood pressure is high (but not overly high), take lemon 
juice. For some reason citrus juices bring down bp a little bit.
 
This is what rural clinics in a third world country used when folks with no 
money to buy medicine have high bp.
 
Melly
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silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #817
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 8:49 AM

CSRe: Question Please

2010-10-05 Thread Melly Bag

Mike,
 
Sorry, i forgot to change the subject of the  previous post i made.
 
Below is my question:
 
How far should the silver electrodes be from the walls of the glass bottle?  
How far should it be apart from each other?  And how far should it be from the 
bottom? 
 
I've been making mud brews which of course i can't drink out of fear so i just 
use it to wash veggies.
 
Many thanks.
 
Melly

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From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #817
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 8:49 AM

Re: CSRe: Question Please

2010-10-05 Thread M1marine

I have found that not all distilled water on the shelf is  good for making 
Colloidal silver.   The only place that I buy mine  now, is from Kroger.  
The other two places that I was buying the water,  resulted in cloudy water.  
Where as, the Kroger brand comes out light  amber.  There are differences of 
opinions, about the color outcome, but I  prefer the Amber.  
 
Mike,
 
Sorry, i forgot to change the subject of the  previous post i  made.
 
Below is my question:
 
How far should the silver electrodes be from the walls of the glass  
bottle?  How far should it be apart from each other?  And how  far should it be 
from the bottom? 
 
I've been making mud brews which of course i can't drink out of  fear so i 
just use it to wash veggies.
 
Many thanks.
 
Melly

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From:  silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com  silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest  Digest V2010 #817
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday,  October 5, 2010, 8:49  AM

Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #817

2010-10-05 Thread M1marine

Green, decaf. tea has a great effect on my  BP.
 
Heidrun
 
Blood pressure is based on how one's heart pumps and blood flows to  the 
heart.   I know blood drawing is not the answer to high  blood pressure.  
 
My bp went down when i stopped using the table salts and used sea  salt and 
avoided soy sauce, fish sauce, etc. which contain  benzoates.  When i 
started to properly hydrate myself taking 1/4  cup of water at a time during 
the 
course of the day with intervals of  around 20 minutes per intake my bp even 
got better.

Here is a tip: when blood pressure is high (but not overly high),  take 
lemon juice. For some reason citrus juices bring down bp a little  bit.
 
This is what rural clinics in a third world country used when folks  with 
no money to buy medicine have high bp.
 
Melly
--- On Tue, 10/5/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com  
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:



From:  silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com  silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest  Digest V2010 #817
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday,  October 5, 2010, 8:49  AM

Re: CSOT: Leaving for short time

2010-10-05 Thread carolG

Going to out of town, will miss the great group, but will be back.  Just 
unsubbed for short while now.

Carol

CSDiane: ... about breaking off plague causing stroke...

2010-10-05 Thread j petras





Does someone have knowledge/experience with EDTA chelation in removing arterial 
plaque? Would it be a good alternative? It sounds like serrapeptase can have 
considerable risk attached unless done in a very measured way. 
John

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From: Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net
Subject: Re: CSDiane:  ... about  breaking off plague causing stroke...
To: silver-list@eskimo.com, silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 7:40 AM

This email was sent to the list by Trem who is a member here...

At 02:06 AM 9/09/2010, Trem wrote:
I thought if some is good, more is better  Started
 taking 300,000 
units daily and within two weeks a clump of plaque came loose and 
went to my brain, making me stroke.  Lost my right temporal lobe but 
everything else still works.  Be careful with large doses.  I now 
take 40,000 daily.

Trem


- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: CSA perplexing Problem


I would use 200,000 units a day.  If you go too high the plaque can be
removed too fast, and since it was supporting the arteries, the arteries
can have weakened over time. 
 They need time to strengthen as the plaque
is removed so they don't collapse.

Marshall

Hanneke wrote:
Marshall,

what kind of a dose would you suggest in a case like this with roughly
4 weeks to spare til the surgery?

At 12:58 AM 8/09/2010, you wrote:
If it is for bypass surgery, immediately get him on some serrapeptase
IMMEDIATELY.  I think that if he can take it for a month, they will
likely cancel the surgery. Everyone I know who has done this has been
able to do that. The biggest problem is if the blockage is so great
the serrapeptase is unable to get into the vessel to dissolve the
cholesterol deposits quick enough for  your schedule.  If you can
clear them
 out before the surgery that will save you a procedure
that  be deadly and tens of thousands of dollars as
well.

Marshall

MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Omigod -- what happens to patients after open-heart surgery?  My
husband is scheduled for it on October 5th.
MA


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Re: CSPrill beads

 He is using Magnetic Solutions which appears to be out of business. 
Their web site was http://www.scalefighter.com/ which is no longer found.


On 10/4/2010 6:16 PM, Leo Regehr wrote:

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RE: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-05 Thread Lisa

The only EDTA is what I remember being in some kind of mayonnaise (haha).
Is this an acronym for something and where can I purchase some?

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Heidrun Beer [mailto:hb...@sgmt.at] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 7:13 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 06:08:14 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote in
5.2.0.9.2.20101005060517.019db...@pop.windstream.net:

   MY dad started using sea salt and the more he used, the more his BP went

down.
  Apparently sodium retention and elimination is keyed to the availability 
of other minerals.

Yes, potassium in this case.

BTW today I was at the doctor's and had him take out
500 ml of blood. After that my blood pressure was 
at 130/82, in the ideal range. It had gone up quite
badly in the last very stressful months.

Tried last week to donate blood, after I had read how
well that works against high BP, but they wouldn't
take me because of a lyme infection earlier this years.

Another thing that was successful for me was 10 bottles
of EDTA last year. After that I had to quit the BP 
pills, because I would get too dizzy. 

I would have gone back for more, but can't afford it 
at the moment. If your Dad can afford EDTA, this would
be ideal, in my opinion. Not only brings BP down, but 
also opens the blood vessels. All circulation related
problems go away - bad hearing, bad vision, ED, 
smoker's legs etc. etc. Saves a heart bypass operation.

Heidrun Beer

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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #814

 I really don't know.  My wife and I took 200,000 a day without any 
problems, but that does not mean that it might not give a problem to 
someone else.  If one has lots of time then your advise is probably the 
best. However it seems that a lot of people only find out about 
serrapeptase weeks or a month before scheduled surgery for blocked 
veins.  For them it is like being between a rock and a hard place, if 
they take too little they end up getting a dangerous an expensive 
surgery, and if they take too much it could lead to problems with plaque 
breaking off or veins collapsing.


Can you find out how much was taken by the other person who had 
problems?  If it was less than say 300,000 a day then I am definitely 
too high.  Is his friend the same person who reported the same problem 
here, or are we talking about two instances?


If you have plaque buildup then they are or were at one point inflamed.  
Inflammation is normally caused by pathogens, so colloidal silver can be 
a great first step before attempting removal with serrapeptase.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 7:10 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
Someone has posted in another group that a friend of his took too much 
serrapeptase that instead of dissolving the plaques, it broke off and 
caused a stroke.  He advised not to go over 40,000.  Is this correct, 
Marshall?  How does one know if the veins are inflamed?

Melly


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silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #814
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 4:22 PM




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Re: CShelp re cholesterol


 Absolutely.

Marshall

On 10/4/2010 7:54 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

Marcshall,
If takeing low level anti-biotic's would lower inflamation wouldn't CS 
do the same job maybe?

thanks Deb


*From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, October 4, 2010 3:15:04 PM
*Subject:* Re: CShelp re cholesterol

  I concur with that completely.  Cholesterol being deposited in the
veins is not due to high cholesterol but to inflammation of the veins.
That is why research has found that anti-inflammation agents such as
aspirin, and low level antibiotics reduce this problem.  The correct
answer is to remove the inflammation, not remove the stuff to try and
reduce it.  If you get rid of the inflammation and take some
serrapeptase your veins will be as clean as a new born babe in a month.

Marshall




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Re: CSRe: Question Please

2010-10-05 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

I prefer clear.  dee

On 5 Oct 2010, at 15:24, m1mar...@aol.com wrote:

I have found that not all distilled water on the shelf is good for making 
 Colloidal silver.   The only place that I buy mine now, is from Kroger.  The 
 other two places that I was buying the water, resulted in cloudy water.  
 Where as, the Kroger brand comes out light amber.  There are differences of 
 opinions, about the color outcome, but I prefer the Amber. 
 Mike,
  


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Re: CSOn a personal note............

 If one is in a hot environment sodium is also needed, significantly.  
Not only to replace the sodium lost through sweating, but according to 
the book Biological transmutations there is pretty good proof that the 
body will convert sodium to potassium, an endothermic NUCLEAR reaction, 
to keep the body's temperature DOWN to 98.8.  Of course mainstream 
science says this is impossible, but the evidence is really quite good.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 8:37 PM, sol wrote:
Craving for and high consumption of sodium can be an indicator of 
various imbalances. I would not be too quick to reduce sodium intake 
without investigating adrenal function and also getting the best most 
complete mineral balance analysis you can.
Some people need a high sodium intake, though that goes completely 
against current conventional medical opinion.

sol



On 10/1/2010 11:09 PM, Costumes wrote:
... Now if we could just get my Dad to stop eating salt and sodium 
 The Dr's told him he HAD to make improvements in his diet ... 
but he has no intention of doing it   He could care less about 
trying to do HIS PART to protect his health.  If your husband shares 
your desire for good health, then that will certainly be a huge 
blessing on his behalf !!!

jan



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Re: CShelp re cholesterol / serrapeptase

 Yes, serrapeptase can help with nasal drip problems.  I have not heard 
of it helping arthritis. I cured my arthritis with CMO.


Marshall

On 10/4/2010 10:08 PM, Del wrote:
I would like to mention that I have just begun taking serrapeptase 
(about 160,000 units per day - Doctor's Best) in hopes that it will 
reduce or cure my sinus problems.
I have always had constant post-nasal drip, and as I get older it is 
increasing.
This is especially bad for me as a singer, as the mucus frequently 
tangles around my vocal cords.
My wife told a friend to take serrapeptase for her arthritis (don't 
know why, haven't heard that it does anything for arthritis).  After a 
year, the friend told her that it had not helped her arthritis, but 
had cleared up her


sinus problems.
Here's hoping!

Del
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley 
mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: CShelp re cholesterol / serrapeptase



 On 10/4/2010 3:29 PM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/4/2010 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
mdud...@king-cart.com writes:


If you get rid of the inflammation and take some
serrapeptase your veins will be as clean as a new born babe in a
month.

Marshall

*How much serrapeptase should one take ???  Lois*
I would take no more than 200,000 a day until they are clean, to give 
the body time to strengthen the vessels as the plaque is removed, and 
to also to prevent large chunks from breaking off.  Once the veins 
are clear, probably a month unless you have some virtually totally 
blocked veins, drop it to maybe 40,000 every day or probably every 
few days to keep them clean.


Marshall


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Re: CSOn a personal note............

2010-10-05 Thread Tel Tofflemire

Makes sense to me Marshall, I live in Arizona, and I use Himalayan  Pink Sea 
Salt, I think it helps me a lot.
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 8:36:56 AM
Subject: Re: CSOn a personal note

If one is in a hot environment sodium is also needed, significantly.  Not only 
to replace the sodium lost through sweating, but according to the book 
Biological transmutations there is pretty good proof that the body will 
convert sodium to potassium, an endothermic NUCLEAR reaction, to keep the 
body's 
temperature DOWN to 98.8.  Of course mainstream science says this is 
impossible, 
but the evidence is really quite good.

Marshall

On 10/4/2010 8:37 PM, sol wrote:
 Craving for and high consumption of sodium can be an indicator of various 
imbalances. I would not be too quick to reduce sodium intake without 
investigating adrenal function and also getting the best most complete mineral 
balance analysis you can.
 Some people need a high sodium intake, though that goes completely against 
current conventional medical opinion.
 sol
 
 
 On 10/1/2010 11:09 PM, Costumes wrote:
 ... Now if we could just get my Dad to stop eating salt and sodium  The 
Dr's told him he HAD to make improvements in his diet ... but he has no 
intention of doing it   He could care less about trying to do HIS PART 
to 
protect his health.  If your husband shares your desire for good health, 
then 
that will certainly be a huge blessing on his behalf !!!
 jan
 
 
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Re: CSSalt


 How can a nation that is on an ocean be deprived of salt?

Marshall

On 10/5/2010 1:15 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote:
In Wild Swans the author described how the Japanese killed the Chinese 
by removing their salt supply - salt is essential to life - and 
diabetics are often salt addicts as the pancreas needs salt.


Jane

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Craving for and high consumption of sodium can be an indicator of
various imbalances. I would not be too quick to reduce sodium intake
without investigating adrenal function and also getting the best most
complete mineral balance analysis you can.
Some people need a high sodium intake, though that goes completely
against current conventional medical opinion.
sol



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Re: CSColloidal silver lozenges

 I have never heard of colloidal silver lozenges, but there are silver 
acetate lozenges.  If you add vitamin C then the ionic part will become 
silver ascorbate. The only non sugar sweeteners that I am aware of which 
can be converted into hard candy are the sugar alcohols, such as xylitol 
malitol and so forth. Not sure if you would have any aggregation 
problems with boiling. The citric acid would cause aggregation, so it 
would need to be reduced to solid form relatively soon after adding it 
or any acid or base. Of course you could add sodium ascorbate instead 
which would have much less effect on the pH.  If boiling is a problem 
then they could be hardened by circulating warm air, or vacuum drying.


Marshall

On 10/5/2010 2:03 AM, Bethany Methven wrote:
I am working on coming up with a colloidal silver throat lozenge.  I 
am wondering if anyone else has experimented with them. Any input on 
whether or not I would alter the colloidal silver in a bad way if I 
added vitamin C, non sugar sweeteners and boiled them into a hard 
candy form?   I have had lots of people ask for me to come up with 
some new colloidal silver products and I'm wondering, after the 
colloidal silver is made, can I mess with the molecular structure in a 
bad way by boiling it with other substances?  I would love any feedback.

Thanks - Bethany

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Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar

 Because you start with 2AgOH which converts to 2Ag + O + H2O.  They 
can combine because AgOH is neutral, the Ag+ cancels the OH- which is 
never bare.   It is possible that H+ ions in the water are involved, but 
don't know.


Marshall

On 10/5/2010 4:46 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:



 How could the OH [-] ions ever combine with themselves against very 
strong repulsive forces any more than an Ag ion could?

 The mystery here is why ALL of the Ag ions don't become AgOH and AgO.

Why does conductivity stop dropping?

Ode


At 11:59 AM 10/4/2010 -0400, you wrote:

 I believe that the process is as follows:

1. the OH and H of the water molecule are attracted to opposite 
electrodes.
2. When the OH reaches the anode it reacts with a silver [ion] 
producing AgOH, that is silver hydroxide
3. The silver hydroxides tend to bang into each other and silver 
particles in colloidal form near the electrode and produce a silver 
particle or enlarge it.  The remaining OH combines producing water 
and oxygent.


Marshall

On 10/2/2010 3:13 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
What about 'repelled?'  If I understand the process correctly, 
doesn't it require a minimum voltage to cause the silver to be 
'repelled' from the electrode in the form of ions?


As those ions are in constant rapid movement in the water {I believe 
that's called Zeta potential} they collide with each other and some 
'stick' to each other {I believe that's called van der Waals force 
of mutual attraction/repulsion} forming atomic clusters of those 
silver ions...commonly referred to as 'particles', and as some may 
collide more than others that's where larger 'particles?' are formed.


Howzat Sir/Maam?  Am I close? Do I get a star? g

N.

 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:36:03 -0700
 From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: CSSilver particles on bottom of jar
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 Hi Dan.  Thanks for that information.  I was using (and have been, 
for years) a
 term that is used in my CS manual for describing the process by 
which silver
 particles leave the electrodes.  Oddly enough -- when I Googled 
it, they didn't
 even have that word spelled that way.  They have he word *sinter* 
-- and it does
 have a different meaning, you're right.  I will check a dictionary 
as well.


 So -- OK -- large particles of silver aren't disseminated 
(howzat?) from the
 electrodes *as* large particles, but the rapid dissemination 
results in

 agglomeration which becomes large particles.  Right?

 MA



 - Original Message 
  From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
 
  First of all, scinter or scintering is the wrong word for what

you
  are trying to describe.  It is inappropriate to use that word in 
this

  context.  Look it up in a dictionary, or Google it.
 
  Even so, I don't believe that large particles of silver are 
undercut

  and break off the electrodes in any significant way.
 
  On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland
  marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
   Hi Jan.  Usually when there is silver laying at the bottom of 
the jar, that
   is silver that scintered off the silver bars too fast, and is 
therefore too
   large-particle to remain suspended in the distilled water.  It 
could have
   been aided by some kind of film on the interior of the jar, or 
something

   less than perfect in the distilled water.

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