Re: CSIncrease shelf life on Milk (UNCLASSIFIED)
unsubscribe me to your list On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Del wrote: Maybe for pasteurized milk this is ok, but I only drink raw milk and it is my understanding that this will kill the beneficial microbes in the raw milk. Del - Original Message - From: zzekel...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:13 AM Subject: Re: CSIncrease shelf life on Milk (UNCLASSIFIED) I increase my shelf life on milk by putting CS in the milk. Normally I do not drink up my milk before it goes bad. This would be a great way to give CS to anyone. I just put in an ounce or 2, how much is up to you. You could put 8 ounce in and whenever the kids drink milk They would get a dose of CS. Bob Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Great idea Bob. I use organic milk it has a longer shelf life than the other milk. I wonder how much longer it would last with the CS (EIS). Lois
CSGot my silverpuppy CS generator today!!!
Hi there, I am so excited I got my generator today and I am SO IMPRESSED with it!!! I had purchased one here locally and it was a cheap one for 150.00 The rods were thin, I could bend them like foil and you wouldn't believe how cheaply made it was. The fellow I bought it from took it back no problem, which was very nice of him and then I found the SilverPuppy! It was shipped on April 30 and today is only the 9th!!! Terrific shipping time to Canada!!! I just ordered the TDS COM100 conductivity/PPM meter ...wished I had seen it when I ordered the SilverPuppy and Laser. Thank you so much Ken! I am making a batch as we speak!!! Joanne in Canada
CSOde
Hi Ode, Didn't know who you were there but now I do...hehe! Am I able to make different strengths of CS with the Silver Puppy? Thanks, Joanne in Canada
Re: CSHealing Lights (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hi Steve, While we are on this subject I was considering purchasing the SOTA Lightworksany thoughts on it? Thank you, Joanne
CSCould this be possible?
Hi there, This may sound silly but I was reading a brochure on CS and I thought to myselfI don't have my close up glasses on and I CAN READ!!! Could this be attributed to me taking the CS? I have only been taking it for about eight days! Wowser!!! Thanks, Joanne
CSSilverpuppy generator
Morning! Does anyone have the silverpuppy generator and if so could you tell me what you think about it? Thanks for any help. Joanne in Canada
Re: CSSilverpuppy generator
Morning Nathalie! I just bet you are from Quebecdid you have any trouble with it coming thru customs? That is my biggest concern. I think I will call and order it today...did you get the basic one? Joanne in Alberta
CSOde r u out there???
Morning Ode, Could you please give me some info on the silverpuppy when you can...I am seriously thinking of calling Ken and ordering it. Which model did I get? Thanks so much everyone for all your positive feedback. Sure do appreciate it. Joanne in raining Alberta, Canada
Re: CSSilverpuppy generator
Morning Nathalie! Oh I have never been but have heard it is the most beautiful place and that people are really laid back and take life easy and not so stressed out like we are...LOL!!! I wonder what time it is there where Ken lives? I don't want to call too early. Thanks again and nice to see a fellow Canadian! Joanne
Re: CSgodzilla now LED lights Belly buttons and aortas
What is the enhancer if I could ask please and thank you. Joanne
Re: CSSilverpuppy generator
Hi Dianne, I ordered the basic one and it is supposed to have a stirrer I am thinking anyway. Maybe I better call Ken back and make sure. Thank you for the feedback. Joanne
Re: CSSilverpuppy generator (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hi Judy, Well I opted not to get the #2 system because there are more moving parts in it and with me being in Canada I would have to wait on parts. Thanks for the info. Joanne
Re: CSgodzilla now LED lights Belly buttons and aortas
Hi Mary, Where does one find that enhancer? Thanks for the reply. Joanne
Re: CSgodzilla now LED lights Belly buttons and aortas
Hi Mary, Oh my gosh!!! It is out of my price range... Thanks, Joanne
Re: CSCS - INFO and intro newbie
Hi Sam, Thank you so very much! I really appreciate the welcome and the link. Joanne
CSCS - INFO and intro newbie
Hi there, I am very new to the list and just started making my own CS. I live in Canada and laws here are a lot more strict regarding CScan still buy it in stores we just can't make any health claims and some sites have been shut down. Does anyone have any info on CS that they can share with me please and thank you. Joanne
Re: CSINFO and intro newbie
Thank you so very much Wayne! Joanne
Re: CS the OT list brouhaha
Marshalee wrote: I popped back onto the OT ... and found that idiot Greg flaming you unmercifully. ... I`m glad he finally left. Such a distasteful person Joanne Perhaps you should get to know someone before making such jusgements I know you think you know all you need to know..but you don't.. to bad...but he is gone now and you won't have to contend with him..although you never know with Greg. = Mike Moderating a list is a job that Solomon wouldn't envy. Despite my belief that Joanne should have banned him, I do understand why she didn't want to. Greg's unmerciful flaming was actually hilarious. At least I think it was... I imagine he's one of the more talented people you'll run across, with a wicked wit. I can say something nice about him now, but only because he isn't currently tearing up the place. === Joanne What a bunch of chicken shit...now I am sounding like Greg..Now you can ssy something nice..How about saying something nice about someone when they are around to hear it. Reminds me of someone who didn't get along too well with someone and then goes to their funeral and sings his high praises. Sorry but don't give me in death what you would not give me in life.. Actually Mike you and Greg have more in common than you think...you both think the list is ill-managed and unpleasant..However for different reasons Joanne ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTracy
Tracy sends her thanks to everyone. Your messages have been forwarded. She hopes to be back soon Joanne
Re: CSAncient Human genetic manipulation by others
To subscribe , send an email to: silver-off-topic-list-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: James Allison To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: CSAncient Human genetic manipulation by others If you guys are discussing Zech on the other list, please tell me how to join, I had no idea there were so many of like mind. Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 2:03 AM Subject: Re: CSAncient Human genetic manipulation by others Bill Missett wrote: Well, you obviously have never read Sitchen, have you? How did this thread get on the silver list? It was on the off topic list where it should be previously. : Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSad News
Hi Everyone, I have just received a message from Tracy that her daoghter Rebekah died this morning. I think she was about three years old. Those of you that knew Tracy knew that her daughter has been very ill. She has a deep love of God which has helped her get through these very trying times. She indicated that it would be fine to tell the list but indicated she won't be reading much mail.. and that she needs time to get through this sad time. Joanne
Re: CS[Listowner] GMO and Ancient Human threads...
That's a cheap shot Mike.. Even with the apology.folks have a right to make up their own mind about someone without prejudice. Joanne You'll have to ignore the Greg person for the time being. My apologies for that. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScan anyone offer help
A friend sent me this letter he received from a friend and asked if anyone over here might have any suggestions.. Thank you Joanne Hey... well, I found out today and its not great but its not ... well, its not great... its called synoval sarcoma. It originates in bone so my fears of it spreading TO bone was silly because it started there. I'm going to MD ANDERSON next thurs on the 10th and will go thru some tests... I know they will test the rest of my body (mri) to see if its spread and if not (WHICH I'M REALLY REALLY REALLY HOPING NOT) then we will begin with an operation. I will have to have my radius removed as well as much of my muscle. I spoke with the surgeon about rebuilding and he didn't look hopeful that it would be a possibility because of all the nerve damage that will occur. A numb limb is a useless one and dangerous to have in many ways... so I will wake up to one of two scenarios: the most likely is that my arm will be removed just below or with the elbow, or (unlikely) will have a skinny sickly scary looking tiny long thin arm below the elbow that we'll reconstruct. It all depends on what they find inside so this all stinks!. I'm angry but I'm becoming QUITE enlightened... I'm becoming crystal clear about a lot that would have taken me many many years to understand. I wish I could explain the changes in my perception and reality but words fail. Just know I'm getting a lot of positive things out of this. Sarcomas aren't killed off easily at all by chemo which is why the removal thing is necessary with them... high percentages of ppl who ever have a sarcoma will get reoccurring ones. But for now if it hasn't spread and the cancer is removed from my arm I will be cancer-free. I'm lucky because its not my leg... or my pancreas or something like that, if its just my arm... I'm also lucky that it isn't my RIGHT arm. I'm lucky to have people who care so much about me and My town is lucky Im not a postal worker. hahahaha just kidding. Actually I'll just take everything one step at a time... I figure if I'm going to the hosp on the 10th I'll have tests, then the surgery very very soon after, and chemo and, possibly, radiation. woo hoo. fun. eek! Thank you for keeping me in your thoughts. I'm going to be ok. This is just hard. heck. I did labor, right? :) love, Laura.
Re: CSlist
I think there are lots of problems. I have gone days with no messages and then have them double up. I have received responses to messages I have not yet received. I sent to the *Off Topic* list early this morning and I have not received it. I am not sure if anyone will receive this. I am on a very active list that has had no messages gone through. since eight this morning. This one was the last message received... I guess we just must be patient and hope things get cleared up. Joanne - Original Message - From: Bill To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: Re: CSlist I haven't gotten my silver list email either and I was beginning to think it was my computer. I guess it's the list having problems. ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:12:01 AM To: Silver List Subject: CSlist i have not received any email for 2 days i would like to know if i am still on the list -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour lt;mdev...@eskimo.com . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
CSbody pH balance
Hi Terry, I would be interested in learning more about this subject. I have some testing paper from TriMedica which test my salvia at 7.5...urine at 5.5 and the water from the tap at 6.5. I wanted to respond to your message back in July where you mentioned the pH balance...but then there was my daughters wedding I was involved with. By the time I got around to it, I could not find the message and did not remember who sent it. I am glad you brought the subject up again. I hope others will be interested in it also. Thank you Joanne...OT list owner (I decided to post this to both lists.)
CSOT Jason
Hi Jason * I apologize to the list* for what Jason.that was a wonderful message and beautiful story. Hopefully we can get our OT list back soon. I will spend most of tomorrow working on it. Meanwhile, you mentioned weight problems going back before age 15.Are you suggesting that something may have happened early in your life (even though you may have been older than 15) that either keeps you eating inappropriately or keeps your body holding on the the weight even though you have followed good eating habits? If this is the case then what does one do to remedy it. How do you get past the problem. I would be interested in knowing what the next step is or perhaps the first step. You can write me privately if you want to or wait for our OT list to get up and running again which I hope will be soon OR we can just call the CS list our temporary home...You have my permission...:-) That was joke Mike...besides I think he would like and answer too. Joanne...OT Owner??? ng or if you are eating right does not he weight to come off. If one knows of any incidences then what do the
CSOT List
Hi OT Listers I don't know why, but apparently the OT list is operational again. Maybe Yahoo paid attention to my mail..however I really doubt. We are for the time being operational as far as I can tell. There do not appear to be any archives however, as when I checked for messages they were all gone. I am still not comfortable doing business with Yahoo and will be looking around, but for now I guess we are back in business. For those that were unsubscribed you may (hopefully) resubscribe at silver-off-topic-list-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Thank you for your patience Joanne silver-off-topic-list Owner .
CSOT list...Problems!!
Hello List Friends Since many of you are on both lists I am using the CS list to pass on some information. I hope you don't mind, Mike. Apparently Yahoo determined the OT list is 'invalid. I have no idea why. I have written to them twice and have received no response. At least two of our members have been unsubscribed. One today and one earlier in the week I have written to Yahoo regarding that problem earlier this week and they have not responded. We did get two new members though so that does not make a lot of sense. I sent a test message to the list and it never came through. I find it very difficult to deal with persons who refuse to discuss whatever problem there is. I have searched through all the group info. and apparently Yahoo has the right to do this, and they do not have to notify you if they do. I am new at this, and perhaps I was negligent in some way. If so, I apologize. I am searching for a new home for us. I have contacted Topica. This being Friday I do not expect to hear from them until next week. Apparently I can give them the information they need, and they will do the switching for us. I really wanted to make contact with Topica first before I switched. They are headquartered in SF which makes them practically local. I feel like since I am in the Bay Area 3 or 4 times a year I could go bang on their door if necessary..:-) Meanwhile there may be some other problems that need looking at while we are waiting for our new home. The list seems to have slowed to a snail's pace, even Christmas Trees and Goats did not make it there. There have been a number of posts that are just forwarded messages from someone else and most of them are very political. The list was set up as a discussion list where most all topics can be addressed. However, it is difficult to respond to a third party post. It would be better if each person posted his or her own input regarding the topic and give a link to the whole message. Those who have an opinion could respond to what the sender is saying.. I guess the school teacher is me is coming out. I am not really sure if the sender has even read the messages or is just forwarding them. Input from list members regarding this problem would be most welcome. I can be reached at sam...@snowcrest.net Tracy is busy with a sick little one these days so she basically said go ahead and do whatever. I will forward anything that seems important on to her. I hope to have some answers for you soon. Your patience is appreciated and I look forward to suggestions from list members. Sincerely, Joanne Thomason silver-off-topic-list...???Owner.
Re: CSList outage... possibly!TEST
This is a test..I did not know it was not working.. Joanne - Original Message - From: Silver Samm silversam...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: Re: CSList outage... possibly! Then hopefully it's just a coincidence that the silver off-topic list at yahoogroups isn't working right now. Samantha From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Greetings, I've heard from Eskimo that they had one of their T1 lines taken out of service by Sprint, which caused a lot of data overloads and delays in traffic for a few hours. Several folks found the list not working. That appears to be the reason. All is well now, I hope. Thank you all! Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSList outage... possibly!TEST
OOPS! I sent the test to the wrong list..Sorry Joanne - Original Message - From: Joanne sam...@snowcrest.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: CSList outage... possibly!TEST This is a test..I did not know it was not working.. Joanne - Original Message - From: Silver Samm silversam...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: Re: CSList outage... possibly! Then hopefully it's just a coincidence that the silver off-topic list at yahoogroups isn't working right now. Samantha From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Greetings, I've heard from Eskimo that they had one of their T1 lines taken out of service by Sprint, which caused a lot of data overloads and delays in traffic for a few hours. Several folks found the list not working. That appears to be the reason. All is well now, I hope. Thank you all! Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCriticizing the FDA
It is where folks go to discuss things not directly related to CS or where they can talk about whatever they would like to...sometimes it is very active and other times it is quiet like now.there have been many good discussions about anything and everything. Joanne Off topic owner silver-off-topic-list-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Original Message - From: rusty233 rusty...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: Re: CSCriticizing the FDA what is the OT list? - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:15 AM Subject: Re: CSCriticizing the FDA Morning Judy, Wayne, you said - Even some of the worlds best medical publications have began to condemn the FDA and openly criticize them for very irrational actions. Can you cite any readable quotes? Judy Down Maine Yes, I have the documents. Will find and post to the OT list. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida Spit Test
Hi Tracy...I passed...Joanne - Original Message - From: Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: Re: CSCandida Spit Test Has anyone done this spit test and passed? I question the accuracy of it. How about all you really healthy ones here do it, and tell us what you came up with (no pun intended!)... grin.. I would be interested. I think you do it upon waking Tracy - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 05:00 Subject: Re: CSCandida Spit Test Morning Julie and Critters, Here's a spit test by Rena Davis of EYI (Essentially Yours Industries). I believe she's a practicing alternative medicine physician in Oregon. Candida? Test Yourself by Rena Davis Spit Test First thing in the morning...immediately upon arising, even before clearing your throat, or brushing your teeth, run your tongue over your teeth and spit into a cold glass of water. Interesting indeed. I did it and it looks like I might have the critters. What power microscope would I need to see and identify the Candida? I have a very old microscope which might be capable of doing this. I am strongly considering purchasing a powerful digital microscope and starting a parasite hunt. First I need very good pictures or else a slide set so I can tell what I am looking at. Any suggestions as to where I should start getting my guns and ammo for the parasite hunt? In addition, I would like to make this a school project for one of my favorite nephews. More of this later. If we can help this youngster ( actually a Senior ) get an A on this project, we just might blow some teachers minds. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe many miracles of goat milk
And if you have occasion to spray the manzanita with gold paint for decorations..who wants plain old manzanita when you can eat gold manzanita.!!??I did get them away from it so they did not ingest much,,fortunately no poison oak here but car topsaren't they there for the goats...:-) Joanne - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett liah...@utah-inter.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: Re: CSThe many miracles of goat milk Very interesting Thelma. The only thing I have to add, from experience, is cows are much less likely to dance on the roof of your car! Also goats are brush eaters rather than grass eaters, so maybe that is where the difference is? Mine sure loved poison oak and manzanitta. Gary That`s true! My Saanen doeling loved to hop from the ground, to the car roof, then up to the van roof and jump down to do it all over again! She also loved to race with my sister`s 4 Great Danes...now that was a sight!! As to the poison oak, mine ate it and laid in it. I got a nasty case of poison oak on the insides of my legs when I straddled her to trim her toes one day, while wearing shorts! Yikes! Wish I`d had CS back then. Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFw: Fw: BEWARE OF THE SIDE EFFECTS OF CIPRO!
On the flip side of the Cipro controversyI had a very severe bone infection in my foot a few years back..I still have my foot thanks to Cipro Joanne - Original Message - From: Black dbl...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: CSFw: Fw: BEWARE OF THE SIDE EFFECTS OF CIPRO! Wed, 24 Oct 2001 Oct 2001 15:21:23.0156 I can vouch for this because Ken is a friend and our former pastor, who nearly died from Cipro.--Jane To all my friends, kids and readers of my email: Following are the comments of a dear minister friend of mine, Reverend Ken Crossman, who is suffering from the deadly side effects of Cipro. He has suffered for years as the result of his contact with Cipro and wants everyone to know that this is a drug with powerful damage causing results. I am amazed at his serene attitude while being forced to undergo dialysis 3 times a week for 6 hours each time. He now has a never-ending lifetime of painful treatment to suffers as the result of improper prescription of this now highly touted panacea for anthrax. There is no cure for the damage caused by Cipro. Beware HARRY WELCH BELOW IS THE EMAIL HE SENT TO ME...PLEASE, FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH'S SAKE TAKE TIME TO READ IT! In the unbelievable response to the anthrax scare across America, I've been amazed to see how Cipro has been recommended by doctors who say, the disease can be prevented by the medication. Other respected persons, like some of the heroes of the September 11 disaster in New York, Mayor Rudy Guliani and New York Governor George Potakey have publicly given Cipro their personal endorsement. It's been like a three ring circus on TV. Personally, I see a danger here. Nearly five years ago my doctor, then not now, prescribed Cipro as an antibiotic against my temporary illness. Due to an allergic reaction, in one week's time I lost my kidney function forever. My nephrologist, then and now, told me my kidney failure was directly caused by using Cipro. Another patient of his, in the same time frame, had the same result. How many others have since been affected, I can only imagine! Since then I've been told by nurses that their doctors prescribe Cipro like candy since it often can be helpful for certain patients. My suggestion is that people read the fine print that comes with the Cipro. If one reads it carefully the side effects are mentioned. For 5 years I've gotten excellent dialysis care 5 hours a day, 3 days a week. I wish I hadn't been prescribed Cipro, which makes my dialysis necessary. The Orlando Sentinel on Oct. 11, 2001 reported that Joshua Lubitz, a pharmacist at an Eckerd drugstore in Boca Raton, said he normally distributes about 200 tables of Cipro per week. Since Monday, he had dispensed 2,500. Our government is making it possible for four other pharmaceutical companies to produce generic versions of Cipro. The patent holder is increasing their production by 25 per cent. Recently while discussing the possible misuse of Cipro in CNN's 10:30 P.M. segment of October 17th, Dr. Gilbert Ross of the American Council on Science and Health said, Sporadic improper (taking it once and skipping a few days to take some more) use of Cipro can cause more damage than Anthrax. I thank God for the many wonderful medications that bless millions, including Cipro. Cipro is no friend of mine and I urge others to read the fine print with the package, check with your doctor and pharmacist while you look up Cipro allergies on the Internet. Voluminous material is available. Doing so could save your kidneys. Rev. Ken Crossman 611-121 Chestnut Oak Circle Altamonte Springs, FL 32701 407-831-0525 United Methodist Minister, retired E-Mail ken.cec...@juno.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSList management
Hello All, I am somewhat shocked, surprised and saddened by some of the recent remarks regarding list management. Shocked at Bill's message, surprised at the applauds he got and saddened that no one spoke up in defense of Stephens leaving Back in February Bill posted to the list telling us about his company. In May Mike made reference to the Frankenstuart Monster and reprimanded both gentleman at the time for their behavior. Bill responded with a series of clap, clap, clap etc.. apparently applauding Mike admonishing those two for their uncivil behaviorAnd now we are subjected to a tirade from Bill far worse IMHO than anything Frank, Stuart or Stephen ever said. Bill's remarks, I feel were insulting not only to Frank and Stephen but also to Mike and the whole list. I was shocked and embarrassed to read it ...and then their were those that applauded it. It is a bit like applauding the terrorist for the bombing...and no I am not calling anyone a terrorist here, although Bill referred to Stuart as a terrorist. By Stephen leaving the list, and I can certainly understand why, we have just let the school yard bully win. Perhaps Stephen and Frank should have been more civil and not so *snarky* but it was between them. They both have strong opinions and believe in what they are doing. . I think that it is often that through honest disagreement that learning takes place. I won't even pretend to know what they were talking about most of the time. Perhaps Mike should have reigned them in earlier or more often,but he, like I , on the *other *list, like to give folks a chance to monitor themselves. Perhaps I too should be doing that more often on the off topic list as there have been some not so niceness over there too...there have been four unsubscribes in the last few days...so consider yourselves reminded about civility as most of you are on both lists. If we cannot control our emotions and feelings in these matters and insist on being rude and insulting , and have others applaud that behavior, how in the world can we expect nations to agree on anything. I am sorry to see Stephen leave. Mainly because he is leaving for the wrong reason. I don't believe that you should let you actions be determined by the actions of another. Bill is not the moderator, Mike is and if anyone need be admonished for bad behavior it should be Bill for his insults to the whole list , and perhaps he hasprivately... True something's off topic do get brought up but most of the time they switch over which is why the *other*list exists, There is no need to call those that bring up other subjects Loony Toons. Anyway I just had to put in ,as someone has said although I don't recall right now who...my 2cents worth. I could say more but I guess enough is enough Sincerely Joanne Off Topic List owner - Original Message - From: Stephen Quinto To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: RE: CSList management Mike, If Bill Fernald's comments had not been endorsed by others on the list, I might have remained quiet and let the matter die. For In his diatribe, some of the worst attributes of human endeavor were expressed. I won't even bother to address them. The list should reflect carefully on what he was actually saying instead of endorsing it with BRAVOS etc. It was all too clear to sentient souls. I am that dismayed that I no longer want to share in this forum. Please unsubscribe me forthwith. Stephen Quinto
Re: CSA Rememberance to My Ionic Silver Solubility Estimate R.I.P.
Hi Nina, It does get confusing...Frank sent me the followingJoanne There is a definition of terms page on the silver-colloids.com web site: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html There are also some papers and other documents on the web site you might consider reading. To better understand ions, etc, see the paper titled Ions, Atoms and Charged Particles found at: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/papers.html - Original Message - From: Nina Silver ni...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: Re: CSA Rememberance to My Ionic Silver Solubility Estimate R.I.P. Roger, As I recently wrote Mike, as a non-engineer and non-chemist, sometimes the discussions between the techies get too obscure for me. One of the biggest problems I have in following the discussions is that the techies don't define their terms. Indeed, it sometimes appears at times that terms are used differently. This makes the discussions too hard to follow. I would greatly appreciate some way of (1) defining terms that are being used, and (2) standardizing those terms that ARE used. What do you and others think? Nina [not colloidal, ionic, particulate or compound] Silver -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFeedback on list direction...
Hi MikePersonally the tech stuff does not bother me. Most of it I do not understand...if I have time I will read through some of it otherwise I just delete it. The sniping that goes on occasionally does not bother me either. It is perhaps that these gentleman feel very passionate about their studies and get carried away. True politeness should be observed and respect for each others work..but sometimes they do make me laugh which is not bad. I even miss Stuart...yes he roared in like a lion but he did apologize and I respect one who can do that. I know I made some mistakes back then trying to get the hang of proper list etiquette. Perhaps there could be a T on the subject line to inform others it is a technical discussion if they do not want a whole new list. I think as George said I firmly believe that these sorts of scary, none understandable topics is what advanced the art of CS production beyond the 'cup of water, dash of salt and 3x9v battery' stage... I think it is important to discuss ideas. Having never been in the scientific research area but I would think that out of discussions and disagreements knowledge can be gained. I am more into the arts and even in that area there can be much controversy about what is art. You are a wonderful moderator Mike and I feel like we are family and families do run into problems. The kids need a little supervision now and then, so do what you need to do *Dad*. I only hope the SO list can continue to be as successful as your list in the years ahead.. Enjoy Joanne The Other List Owner - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:52 AM Subject: CSFeedback on list direction... George wrote: I thought we were informed that this sort of technical discussion was no longer welcome? Unfortunate, since I firmly believe that these sorts of scary, none understandable topics is what advanced the art of CS production beyond the 'cup of water, dash of salt and 3x9v battery' stage... Almost no one has seen fit to reply directly to my comments on list values and direction, yet several folks have made remarks like yours, George. Perhaps the situation I was responding to is no longer obvious and needs to be recapped. It would be nice to see some questions asked. Recent technical discussions on this list have sometimes devolved into virtual shouting matches between competing vendors, complete with ad hominemn attacks and ridicule. I have stated plainly that this is not acceptable and I stand by that -- a position I've been criticized for. Apart from behavior problems of that sort, quite often, technical discussions have become so voluminous and detailed that they have overwhelmed the list, leading many a new arrival to despair of ever understanding anything of this terribly complicated subject! I have offered to set up a silver-tech-list so folks can talk tech all they want without having to apologize for using big words, and even take off the gloves and go bare-fisted at each other if that's what will allow them to resolve their differences of opinion... The four primary goals of the list are *still*, briefly restated: 1) Delivering good, unbiased info; 2) Giving encouragement and support; 3) Debunking hype and disinformation; 4) Furthering the art. It is only when either points 3 or 4 become disruptive to the list that I'd figure the tech list would come into play. Civil discussions, sans controversy, can and should be acceptable here, at least until they get to be so busy they're swamping other discussion. Maybe, like the silver-off-topic-list, the tech list will only carry significant traffic once in a while. Or maybe it'll draw back other tech types who've given up on us due to the volume of off-topic messages and other complaints, and become viable in its own right. What's it going to be folks? Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThamk you
A while back I asked for some help regarding a serious rash problem my husband was having, probably as a result from going in a local health club swimming pool. He followed the suggestion given here and is now rash and itch free. Thank you!!!..All is well Joanne
Re: CSOff Topic List
WayneI checked and you have not joined the off topic list. to do so go to silver-off-topic-list-subscr...@yahoogroups.com It will be nice to have you aboard... Joanne List owner - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: CSOff Topic List I am answering this in the silver off-topic list. How can I tell if I was successfully subscribed to the off topic list? Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPEACE Please
It is still going strong over on the off topic list for those who still want to pursue it. There have been many interesting, well written messages posted... Joanne Subscribe: silver-off-topic-list-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Just a reminder, James and all, that we've retired this thread and similar discussions. We all know how screwed up the world is. It's time to help our own corner of it find renewed health through study and use of colloidal silver. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSthank you Mike
I have been out all day. Thank you Mike, for fielding all the questions that have been coming up. We have had several new members. There is a lot to talk about since this tragedy. I am glad folks have a safe place to voice their concerns...but still let's remember to be nice. Joanne Thomason... List owner..off-topic-list Subscribe: silver-off-topic-list-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Just send a message to the list-subscribe address and they will send you a confirmation e-mail that you must reply to. At that point you'll start getting messages from the list.
Re: CSPEACE Please
- Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: Re: CSPEACE Please Damian and All, I have no desire to start a thread on this list so I will make a simple statement and you can look for yourself. I don't care what your beliefs are but read Revelation 18 and ask yourself one question, what nation is it were destroyed would cause the ship captains and salesmen to mourn the loss of business, and what nation has poluted the world with its lust, greed, and sex. The read Jeremiah 50 and 51 to see what happens to the endtime Babylon. Its the USA!!! If you wish to respond do it oof list please. ***Or if you have a need to discuss Ole Bob's comments or express you thoughts rgararding todays tragedy in more depth you may take it to silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com Joanne Ole Bob 45 years teaching the Book. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSneed some help
Good Morning List...about 4:00a a.m. here out west. My husband has a horrible rash all over his upper body. We think it was caused by chemicals in a swimming pool and hot tub. Also the heat of the hot tub seemed to make it worse. We have sprayed it with cs and he has put other ointments onit also. It appears to be getting worse. He of course gave up the hot tub and has now after discerning the pool chemicals may be the culprit has given that up too. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what he might use on it to make the rash go away and stop the itch. His whole upper body is now raw..He may need to go to doc and get antibiotics. If any of you East Coasters have an idea of something he can get when he goes out to work in the morning if would be appreciated. Meanwhile I am going to so a search of the archives. Thank you Joanne
Re: CSproblems with some messages
I have gotten the same messages but they are from Jonathan Britten. My guess he may be from Japan...I believe I recall someone on the list from that part of the world. Joanne - Original Message - From: Nina Silver ni...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: CSproblems with some messages Hi People. Over the past two days some messages (such as ones from Brooks Bradley) have been accompanied by a weird window that says something about downloading Japanese characters. Although I always click cancel to get rid of the window, it freezes up my computer and I have to exit my email program entirely. Any ideas about what's going on? My computer does not have any viruses or worms. Nina Silver -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFonts and colors
400 to 500 message a day!!! Yikes You must read and answer e-mails all day:-) Joanne. - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: Re: CSFonts and colors Evening Tony, Louise, and the list, At 10:32 PM 08/26/2001 +0200, you wrote: Thanks Louise, That is a good tip, new to me. My mailer is set to Plain so that works very well. However when time is few I'll usually Delete messages I can't read first time. I have my mailer set to both. Somehow, it seems to have some intelligence, and I virtually never have a message I cannot read. Maybe one per year, and I get 400 to 500 per day. ( Eudora Pro 4.3 ) Here is something that works. I got one message that I could not read. Being hardheaded as I am, I was determined to read it. So. I hit reply, then Ctl/A and set the colors to black and it was crystal clear. I know this is not something we want to do all the time. But once a year I can do it. It appears to me that everyone who uses Eudora has much less trouble with everything, including Virus problems. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS questions
Arthur..I get James email on a white background... always haveJoanne - Original Message - From: Arthur Rambo alltogether...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: RE: CS questions James, your email is unreadable again. It's blue on black. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVIRUS
Dear Brooks I hope there is another Joanne on this list that you are corresponding with. I have not sent you a private e-mail since July 2. Also I never send an attachment without letting someone know I am sending one. I hope you did not get whatever you got from me because that would mean I might be sending out a virus and I don't want to do that. I am a little confused unless there are two of us although I have not seen another post with Joanne on it...If it is me let me know... Sincerely Joanne san...@snowcrest.net - Original Message - From: BROOKS BRADLEY liat...@flash.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: CSVIRUS Dear Hanan, I received a private email from Joanne yesterday and attempted to open the attachement.my internal protection programs intercepted the attachment, but merely said there was a corrupted file or program. Upon receipt of your email just a while ago, I searched my hard drive and found the INETD.exe virus filebut none of the others. My problem is that I am unable to delete the INETD.exe program no matter what trick I try. I always get the windows is using the program prompt when I try to Delete, move it to Recycle Bin, or the ADD/Remove programs utility. The virus must have some built-in item to foil such attempts. Do you know of any method whereby I can eliminate this program? I am not very virus literate---when it comes to eliminating their embedded programs. If you know of some maneuver for overcoming my problem I would be ever-so-grateful. I am at home and away from any help from the office personnel tonight. I can get some assistance tomorrow, but would certainly like to reconcile this now---if possible. Sincerely, Brooks. rainis...@aol.com wrote: This was just posted on the beck rife list...same problem there. Directions how to fix. ~Hanan FWD I was targeted by a worm sent via an attachment from someone on a yahoo list I am on. The thing was very sneaky in that it quoted bits from one of my posts to the list, as thought this gal were replying to me privately. After that I couldn't access the list homepage, but luckily I had some digests to read -- and lo and behold, there were several posts about this very thing. And even more luckily, one of the members of the list is an expert in computer security, who posted a description and fix. I don't think I sent the worm to any of you because I didn't re-boot between the time I downloaded the file and the time I did the fix, but I post it in case any of you were hit elsewhere. Subject: The attachment is a worm. Win32.Badtrans.13312 Badtrans is a worm spreading via e-mail. The worm replies to all unread messages and attaches itself using one of the following 16 names: fun.pif Humor.TXT.pif docs.scr s3msong.MP3.pif Sorry_about_yesterday.DOC.pif Me_nude.AVI.pif Card.pif SETUP.pif searchURL.scr YOU_are_FAT!.TXT.pif hamster.ZIP.scr news_doc.scr New_Napster_Site.DOC.scr README.TXT.pif images.pif Pics.ZIP.scr When a user opens the attachment, the worm copies itself to the Windows directory as: inetd.exe and modifies the file win.ini by including the line executing that program. Additionally, the Badtrans worm, drops a backdoor trojan (Win32.Badtrans.21882 Trojan). The worm creates and executes a 21882- byte file in the Windows System directory: kern32.exe and modifies the registry in order to run it on the next reboot: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce\kernel32=kern32 .exe The Trojan, which is in fact a backdoor server also uses its own library: hksdll.dll (a 5632-byte file created in the same directory). To fix: First: search your hard drive for the files named INETD.EXE, KERN32.EXE and CP_23421.NLS. Delete them. Then: Run SYSEDIT by clicking START-RUN. On RUN Window type SYSEDIT then click OK. In SYSTEM CONFIGURATION EDITOR select the window C:\WINDOWS\WIN.INI then delete the entry C:\WINDOWS\INETD.EXE under RUN key. All done. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Battery Charger
So Marshall. you are studying remote viewing...Cool...That is a fascinating subject...maybe sometime you might take it to the off topic list and tell us what you have learned...and any success You have had practicing remote viewing Joanne - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 7:22 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: Battery Charger Not yet. Maybe after I finish my remote viewing workshop. : Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Just for fun. But seriously folks, has anyone figured out how Frank is making consistent 1.4 nm particles? (did I get the number right?) James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Quietcove [mailto:quiet...@midcoast.com] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 9:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Battery Charger So James, Are you saying that you have the first colloidal silver generator based on scalar technology, or just having a chuckle? Hmm? heheh quietcove - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 5:00 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Battery Charger The volts we use for OUR colloidal silver are different and special, and produce a superior product. The technique is call coherent potential resonance integration. That is why our product costs more, but it is worth the extra because it does everything. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRE: Battery Charger Evening Ed, There are 12 to 24 volt chargers and some have trickle charge or low amp charging as well as automatic cut off. Then I wouldn't have to use those 3-9 volt batteries or worry if the batteries are getting too low. Most of us have learned by now that one can make CS with nearly anything that resembles a voltage. Anything from a solar pond to an electric Eel or a small solar panel, or. you name it. But, no matter how you cut it, you can't get much simpler or cheaper than plugging two conductors into the phone jack and connecting them to your electrodes. If you can. please tell me how? the cost can be near zero, except the electrodes of course. By the way, I have been using my 9 volt batteries over a year, closer to 1.5 years. I just got bored using that thing and wanted to do it differently. Still a volt is a volt is a volt. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSdumb questions
Hello teachies ...there are smart one's in the world and then there are the dummies...In some areas I might be considered a teachie but not on this list. There has been so much talk lately about ionic, particle and colloidal silver I am getting really confused. I hope some others are too. How about a simple *dummies definition* of those terms. Thank you... Have a beautiful day one and all Joanne
Re: CSWhy Study Ionic CS and CS Particle Size?
Soup is good goop too? Both bullion broth and stew is good food? Ken if you are saying that soup is only good goop and not good food then you obviously have not had any of my homemade veggie soup. ..:-)... Nothing better on a cold snowy day! Which I am looking forward to many of them this winter as our water level is really low out here this year. Joanne - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: Re: CSWhy Study Ionic CS and CS Particle Size? I certainly acknowledge the possible benefits of large particles in the digestive tract. I would hesitate to inhale them...but...there is a study that traces elimination of inhaled silver dust by dogs resulting in 90% elimination in the feces in 30 days. [Phalen +Morrow 1973] Obviously, it hit the blood stream even as boulders. Humm... What happened to the other 20%? It's getting really hard to cling to any right way when wrong ways are getting hard to prove wrong. :-) I guess it all boils down to personal preference. Soup is good goop too? Both bullion broth and stew is good food? ken At 10:31 AM 8/3/01 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 8/3/2001 9:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, coy...@alltel.net writes: Subj:Re: CSThe Medusa Topic(tm) Date:8/3/2001 9:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: coy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote) Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com With most preparations that listers make being both ionic and colloidal, [conducts electricity AND has a TE] the whole point of what it is that works where is somewhat moot. It all works as well as it does wherever and however it's applied. Color may be a moot point as well and for a similar reason. A colored CS most likely contains both small and large particles, though, personally I think it best to avoid really large ones and prefer to make the colorless variety. It could be that a varient soup within a range might actually provide some greater benefit. I dunno. Ken: As I mentioned in an earlier post, it should be quite easy to determine if ionic CS has germicidal activity in the body. I think the implications of having greater knowledge about ANYTHING is beyond discussion. As far as varying CS particle size to provide specific advantages, how about the potential benefit of generating a large particle CS for intestinal infections since ionic and small CS particles may be consumed in stomach by HCl? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS 101
Everything I get from everyone is a white background with black text... Joanne - Original Message - From: Arthur Rambo alltogether...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: RE: CS 101 No, this one is black bg with white text. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCG question
I k inda liked your *junk* ..pleasant change.. but when I saw it I knew you'd be in trouble. ..:-) I can't remember the name of the song although I know that I know it. So what was it? Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: RE: CSCG question Daniel, PLAIN TEXT PLEASE!!! I do not appreciate the junk that accompanied your message. Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOff Topic-Bone Spurs-HELP!!
Hi Leo Interesting message... The statement. think about than to stop thinking, if you doubt me then try this test; think no thought for the next 20 seconds--that's ok try again later if you like), I have had that experience once in my life where I had no thoughts. ..or feelings except of knowing I was at total peace with all around me.. I don't think you can decide not to have any thoughts it is something that just happens and you must be in an extremely positive place at the time.. Joanne www.snowcres.net/samijo - Original Message - From: Leo Keaveney leo.keave...@oceanfree.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: Re: CSOff Topic-Bone Spurs-HELP!! Hi all, STO points are acupressure points and are situated either side of the spine, between the 1st and 2nd vertebrae, down from the skull, accessible at the back of the neck. If you would like a little more information on why STO points are addressed then read on. I have only heard the term holding points used in the healing modality called Body Electronics, when conditions are appropriate, the bodies of both patient and healer and all other people that are connected genetically, either through inheritance or progeny are also healed at the same instant. As I understand it, the DNA (or genetic string) is the third dimensional blue-print for the vehicle (or body) we use for the experience of the game we call life, the duration of which we determine by our thoughts knowingly or unknowingly, but always operated with free will the choosing of either positive or negative thoughts. Negative thoughts are considered to be detrimental to body's health and enough negative thoughts will defeat all available healing treatments and one experiences death; negative thoughts are the opposite of positive thoughts thence the two opposites EVIL.- -.LIVE, it is not uncommon when we are in love, to say to ourselves it's good to be alive, the one we are in love with is perceived at that time to be perfect and we have no fear of death as we would easily forfeit our own life in place of the perceived perfect one, all this before we have interaction with them, therefore my own thoughts are responsible for me being in this state we call in love. Therefore every thought we think has a direct effect on our own DNA and this is the reason the teacher Jesus emphasised forgiveness, because to forgive is to forget i.e.. think different thoughts, (it is easier to be selective about what we think about than to stop thinking, if you doubt me then try this test; think no thought for the next 20 seconds--that's ok try again later if you like), by the way this is the explanation of why we are all equal even though our experience of the game of life differs. The brain is a bio-transceiver, the frequency we emit is selected by the filters that are the combinations of neural networks that are our memory, this explains of the reason why all of the oscillating devices such as the Rife transmitter, 660nm red led's etc,. affect our physical vehicle (body). Note there is no difference in the following when we say: my shoes, my clothes, my body, none of these are ME, however they contribute to the WHOLE ME. Holding points allows us to access the experience associated with the ailment or injury. We re-live the experience again, except this time from a non-resistance perspective (unconditional love) and the physical body changes instantly, limbs regenerate, tumours are expelled through the skin or disappear, scars disappear, etc. Many weeks or months of preparation are necessary, these include diet always and the consumption of a broad range of minerals, thence my personal interest in colloidal silver and gold (non or little reactive minerals). Interesting point, minerals are consumed by the process, the process will stop if all the minerals are used up in your body and must be replenished before the process can continue. Diet is strictly the optimum human diet, fresh raw vegetarian, lots of clean water and minerals, sounds familiar! all positive actions, resulting in more positive life experiences and prolonged game of life. Leo. - Original Message - From: teri...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: CSOff Topic-Bone Spurs-HELP!! In a message dated 7/5/2001 3:41:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, leo.keave...@oceanfree.net writes: Hi Ai, I saw something like what you describe on Body Electronics video tapes. Dr Ray emphasises holding the STO points to dissolve calcifications, these points are held by someone other than yourself. Leo. can someone tell me what STO points are? thankyou. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver
Re: CSWould you computer virus buffs mind writing among
Well it could be taken to the Off Topic List...however viruses are a part of our life and often need to be discussed and could come up on any list. I am still trying to deal with the last one...I know where that little Kak is supposed to be but can't find himAnd yes I do have an anti-virus program. If you have never had one Judy ...consider yourself lucky and knock on wood...they can be a b*...@ Joanne - Original Message - From: JudytheK apea...@midcoast.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: CSWould you computer virus buffs mind writing among yourselves instead of to the whole CS list? Judy Down Maine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVirus
Ditto Nina...I had Inoculate It and it did great till they switched to eTurst and charged money. I found out where my Kak is but cannot delete it. I too thought it was supposed to delete the virus when the files were infected. I wrote them a letter asking some questions and I received a beautiful NON response..(meaning they did not tell me anything). so now I get to write them again and try and find out what's going on..such fun... Joanne - Original Message - From: Nina Silver, Ph.D. ni...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: Re: CSVirus I have an anti-virus program called Innoculate-It, and don't understand how it works. I thought it would eliminate any viruses picked up on my computer. However, in the past two days, when I boot up the computer, there is a warning that says, Kak worm detected, and then I'm supposed to tell the computer whether or not to let me access the infected area. Naturally, I tell it not to. However, it also tells me that the infected area cannot be restored. What does this mean, and how do I fix the overall problem? Thanks. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMy last word on fixing the virus
I asked a friend if he knew what was going on with my virus.He sent me the following...however since it is a graphic if you are interested you have to go to the silver-off-topic-listsubscr...@yahoogroups.com and be able tp get graphics. Joanne
Re: CSDoggie-help please!
Wow Brooks..10 dogs.!!I thought I had a lot of critters here...My little Pebbles who died about 4 years ago was a little throw away dog. Our little Yorkie was used for breeding and then became useless so she was another throw away dog. One of our cats we got at age 11 who was the product of a broken home and no longer wanted. Two of my son's dogs are grocery store mutts. He does a lot of work with service dogs. http://www.usadogs.org Bless you for giving these animals a place to be loved for the remainder of their journey on earth. Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo - Original Message - From: brooks bradley liat...@flash.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: Re: CSDoggie-help please! Dear Yvonne, German Shepards are notorious for hip dysplasia problems. Years ago we came across an ancillary protocol which worked splendidly for us (in fact it saved our 15 yro Shepard from having to be put down). We instigated the use of alfalfa (in tablet form), at a quantity of 1200 mg per day ---for three days---then reduced the dosage to 800 mg thereafter. Within 4 days he could get up unassisted and almost pain-free. Within 10 days he was completely pain-free and continued to be so for the remainder of his life. He lived on to the age of 18 years.passing on from more natural causes of advanced ageunrelated to his dysplasia. The alfalfa protocol was required as a continuing protocol for the remainder of his life. Whenever it was discontinued for five continuous days, his dysplasia symptoms would start to reappear. We have, since, used this protocol to assist in many cases of articulating joint problems in dogs (my wife and I still have 10all throwaways by considerate humans---7 of which are advanced in age [ 12 or older]..none of which exhibit arthritis. We give them alfalfa (three standard tablets daily for small dogs and eight tablets for large ones), together with glucosamine sulphate capsules/tablets @ 50 mg per 15 lbs body-weight.. If one has many dogsor is economy minded.the use of powdered alfalfa (obtainable from any feed store) at the rate of 1 teaspoon dailymixed into their moisturized-food, has proven to be a most valuable health support. Regarding the lower intestinal tract bacterial affliction..you might consider the following modification: Using a small bulb-type syringe, give the dog an enema solution containing 80% CS (10 to 20 ppm) and 20% DMSO. Lower DMSO concentration to 15% if dog exhibits noticeable stress from tissue irritation. Repeat this protocol three times daily at 4 hour intervals. The odds for bacterial control---using this protocol---are quite high and any side effects quite benign. I wish you the very best good fortune in preserving and extending the healthy and happy life of your beloved pet. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Disclaimer. Please remember, we are not veterinarians and DO NOT practice veterinary medicine. These are simply some of the EXPERIMENTAL protocols we have evaluated over the past years. - Original Message - From: Yvonne and Mickey - BIO-SIL bio...@worldonline.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: CSDoggie-help please! Hi there! I'm not sure if this is a repeat but I never saw it appear on the list so think original message may have gotten lost in cyberspace! If anyone can help I'd be most grateful: 1. My German Sheppies nearly 10 years old - brother has very stiff joints and doesn't move with the ease and grace he used to possess 2. His sister has an apparently common to GSDs problem - which is anal fistulae (bacteria which literally burrow through the intestines and right out the back under tail). Vets we've consulted and whose treatments have not worked, say there is no cure and kindest move is to euthanase. Well, this is not an option to me right now as she seems fairly happy otherwise. The part under her tail looks 'raw' and is quite malodourous. I am of course giving CS internally and spraying directly. Thank you kindly! Yvonne :o) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question of ticks and lyme
Thank you for the tick-lyme info. I will forward it to my daughter. I think they will probably walk someplace else...Ken your story about all the ticks on you was gross...yuck..I can't imagine being covered with that many ticks... Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: Re: CSA question of ticks and lyme The very small tick may or may not be a deer tick. Adult deer ticks are about an 8th inch. The tick 'nymph' or what we call a 'seed tick' is very small. It's the same tick in a different stage of it's life cycle. Lymes is pretty rare especially if you get that tick off within 3 hours. Usually one gets flu like symptoms and the spreading rash or bullseye, but not always. Also be aware of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever which can kill ya pretty quick. I always check for ticks several times after walking in the woods. There's something that we locals call tic paranoia, lasting hours to days, where every little tickle promotes nudity and inspection. [more fun in mixed company :-)] If a dog gets a tick in its ear, the dog can be paralyzed till it's pulled out. If the tick is allowed to drop off, you'll have Sagans [billions and billions] of ticks around...starting with seed ticks. I don't know if dogs get or carry Lymes disease but it's a good idea to de-tick them every day. As a former forestry worker, I've had ticks on me that were so thick that the blue on my jeans was not visible and they had to be scraped off with a knife before they dug in. WAY FREAKY!!! Fun with ticks... They can run around on the bottom of a jar full of methonol for a long time. Lots of fun to touch with a butane pocket torch. Sometimes they'll imitate a ballistic missile! Ready, aim, FIRE pop! Place ticks on the burner of a kerosene lamp and watch them do laps! Pull off their legs on one side and watch them walk in circles. Guinea hens and chickens love ticks...for supper. Hey, what's that little spot??? Oh a Freckle whew! Ken At 07:38 AM 6/29/01 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST, sam...@snowcrest.net writes: bj: CSA question of ticks and lyme Date: 6/28/01 9:59:06 PM EST From: sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne) Reply-to: sam...@snowcrest.net (Joanne) To:silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com, silver-list@eskimo.com (silver list) Last week I was visiting my daughter about 30 miles East of Sacramento.(California) We went for a walk with the kids and the dog. After we got back we found a tick on the dog. Later that day while shopping a tick fell off me. After we got home Nancy found two ticks on her. The next day I found another one on me. Today, three days later and three showers later, after I got home, I found two more on me. Except for the first one they all had a hold of me and were digging in. The clothes I was wearing were not even with me in Sacramento.The questions are: Where were those ticks for three days? Do all ticks carry lyme? If they do and one gets it what are the symptoms to watch for? My daughter was concerned as there apparently are ticks around her place this year. I told her I would try and get some info. for her as I know some of you have had to deal with lyme. Thank you Joanne I am posting this to both lists Joanne: I'm sure there are others much more knowledgeable than I, and I may be dead wrong as well, but here goes anyway. Those ticks could have transferred themselves to other clothing, or your pets and back to your body during those three days, or been on your body the whole time. There's no way to know. If you can see the tick easily, i.e., its an eighth to a quarter of an inch in size, it is NOT a deer tick which is extremely small and very difficult to see. It's the deer tick which carries Lyme disease and even among deer ticks, only about 3% actually carry the Lyme bacteria. Furthermore, even IF you HAD a Lyme infected deer tick on your body, there is no certainty, by any means, that it will infect you. However, one way to PROMOTE infection from any tick, since all ticks carry infectious bacteria, is to attempt to remove it with a tweezers, or other means that induces it to regurgitate bacterial containing fluids into your bloodstream. I would be VERY cautious about removing a tick. If fact, have an expert do it. As far as your pets are concerned, my vet once told me it's far safer to allow them to fall off rather then attempt to pull them off yourself. If you are infected with Lyme bacteria, a bulls-eye shaped redness MAY appear around the bite. Check with your doctor to get further help. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ
CSA question of ticks and lyme
Last week I was visiting my daughter about 30 miles East of Sacramento.(California) We went for a walk with the kids and the dog. After we got back we found a tick on the dog. Later that day while shopping a tick fell off me. After we got home Nancy found two ticks on her. The next day I found another one on me. Today, three days later and three showers later, after I got home, I found two more on me. Except for the first one they all had a hold of me and were digging in. The clothes I was wearing were not even with me in Sacramento.The questions are: Where were those ticks for three days? Do all ticks carry lyme? If they do and one gets it what are the symptoms to watch for? My daughter was concerned as there apparently are ticks around her place this year. I told her I would try and get some info. for her as I know some of you have had to deal with lyme. Thank you Joanne I am posting this to both lists
Re: CSFw: Interview with God ....forward from Leroy Atkins
Thank you Dave...this was beautiful!!! Joanne - Original Message - From: Dave Perkins To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@mindspring.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 4:29 AM Subject: CSFw: Interview with God forward from Leroy Atkins This is very good. You may want to pass it on. Dave Perkins enjoy being email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com web site: www.betterwayhealth.com - Original Message - From: Leroy Atkins Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: Interview with God forward from Leroy Atkins Take a look.One of the best web presentations I have seenphotos are wonderful..Leroy http://www.reata.org/exit.html
Re: CSEnlarged heart
Hi Bob If I had a potentially life threatening illness, the first thing I would look at is my diet. I just finished a book by a women whose body was riddled with cancer and she finally was able to beat it with a radical diet change. Admittedly it might not work for everyone and may be considered extreme by many. But when confronted with the alternatives who knows what we are able to do. Anyway that is where I would start. Not a popular option I realize. Also a look at life style might be appropriate. Enjoy the day Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo - Original Message - From: Robert L. Berger bober...@swbell.net To: Silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: CSEnlarged heart Hi Ya'all, A freind of mine was just diagnosed with an enlarged heart. 1.) What does that imple? 2.) How does one treat it? 3.) any other comments welcome. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Snake Oil Reference. Contains mental virons. Delete now.
Hello James, I'll take a dozen books.. at the special offer for list members only of $189.89 (great Christmas presents.).can't resist this offer and the free shipping. Does the $15.85 free shipping apply to the whole order or is it per book??? Let me know by April 1, 2001 so that I may finalize the transaction...:-) Sincerely Joanne - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: CSRE: Snake Oil Reference. Contains mental virons. Delete now. Hello List, I have a few questions about snake oil. Does any one have any cites on the indications and protocols for the use of snake oil? Is it taken internally or topically? Is one kind of snake better than another? Does it matter if it is a male or female snake? From what snake organ do you extract the oil? Most important, can you get toxic results from the oil if the snake is venomous? What does it smell and taste like? Does it have to be stored under special conditions? Is organic snake oil available? What is the FDA's position regarding snake oil? Is it true that some cults are using it as a sex lubricant? If you don't know the answers to these and countless other questions about snake oil, you need to order my book, Everything You Have Always Wanted to Know About Snake Oil, (But were afraid to ask because your family and friends would think you an idiot) For Silver List members only, on special now, for only $189.89, including FREE SHIPPING anywhere in the Continental US. Order today, and get my FREE Pamphlet included at absolutely no additional charge, How to squeeze the very last drop of oil from your snake without messy hands. Order in the next 4 hours and I will throw in at absolutely no charge, my shocking monograph on the blatant and uncaring FDA suppression of Snake Oil, titled, Snake Oil in the Age of Aquarius. Act now, or, you will keep getting snake doo all over yourself every time you try those outmoded and outdated snake squeezing techniques. (Due to increasing postal rates, there will be an additional 15.85 shipping charge for the free pamphlet) James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: gaia research [mailto:gaia.resea...@pixie.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles? Dear Frank In reference to my recent post, you wrote: One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. ST: Would you please be so kind (or bold) as to explain what you mean by the above remark. For the benefit (or detriment) of silver-listers, the URL of my website to which Frank refers (and insults) is: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za Please see for yourself who is defending ionic colloidal silver, and if there is any snakeoil for sale. Regards Stuart
Re: CSAbout the kak worm problem...A QUESTION
I had 2 Kak's slip through security last week and 5 more got caught this week and were deleted automatically. I had installed the patch but not sure if I did it before or after the infection. I e-mailed the company asking how to delete the Kak's and they sent me instructions, some of which I could follow. A friend helped me finish it off. I am certainly learning about computers whether I want to or not My question for the smart one's is WHY does Explorer seem to be infected so much more than other programs. Is it the way the programs are written or are they being targeted...just curious Enjoy the Day Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@home.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: CSAbout the kak worm problem... Thanks so much I have norton but you never know? so I dw loaded the patches, works great, said I was not infected,,,god to see. Tel, from Phoenix,AZ A.V.R.A wrote: Greetings all... I went ahead and downloaded the patch itself, as well as two small dos based programs that repair the damage - two programs, because there are currently two versions of the worm. To download all three files, simply click here: http://silverdata.20m.com/kak/ This will open a directory, where you can choose 1) to download all three files in zip format ( kakpatchrepair.zip) 2) to download only the patch (Outlook_Express_Q240308i.exe) 3) either of the fix files ( or both ). To use the Outlook express patch, simply download the file and double click on it. To use the fix files, download and double click on the file, then select remove from the popup dialog box that appears. It will tell you that either the damage was repaired or your computer was not found to be currently infected. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: CSAbout the kak worm problem... Hi all, Please don't despair. I'm actively working on adding a filter to the list software which should break the kakworm and similar embedded script based e-pathogens. Since I can see no legitimate reason for anyone to be sending an embedded script of any kind, I'm just going to try to strip them out of the messages altogether. I figure everything between script and /script can just *go*. Inevitably, I expect that any tampering I do to the HTML code of the messages may break something for some people who are trying to read them, so I ask you all to bear with me during the debugging process. Anyone with unix, procmail, sed, or smartlist experience is welcome to step forward and lend a hand he says, hopefully! The ideal would be to strip *all* HTML out of the messages and just post the text, but that seems to be a rather large software project, requiring all sorts of detailed understanding of the present state of web standards *and* the proprietary violations^H^H^H extensions of those standards by certain companies whose initials are MS... In the meantime, if anyone can re-post instructions for filling the gaping security holes in Outlook Express that would be a *great* help. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS diabetes
Hi Terry Your friend is fortunate to have such a positive outcome with her diabetes. For most of us it usually isn't that simple. My only success has been with diet and exercise. But now I am so happy with a better diet, less meds, and I really enjoy my almost daily walk...except when the neighbors dog gets my leg. But CS has been helping it heal, although because of the diabetes I did have to go the ER and get some antibiotics. Hope your friend can cintinue to keep it under control..it can really be nasty. Enjoy the Day Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo - Original Message - From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: CS diabetes I received a call from a Health Food owner in Manitoba who reported a client of his who had type 2 diabetes. She had it severe enough that her whole health was effected. By the end of her 4th 16 oz. bottle of CS, she was feeling much better. She went to her doctor and he said, What have you been doing? She said, What do you mean? He said, Your blood sugar is normal. What have you been doing differently? She wouldn't tell him. Terry Wayne ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(OT) Hacked - credit info stolen
I understand they send you a letter offering you a chance to opt out I have caught two of them so far.. I wonder how many I have missed ...they are disguised as junk mail and one said if I sent it back it may prohibit me from receiving any promotional material they have to offer...like who cares. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/5/6/211216.shtml Something else to think aboutour food..this may have been posted before..not sure www.organicconsumers.org Enjoy the day Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo - Original Message - From: Mike and Joyce Blewett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: Re: CS(OT) Hacked - credit info stolen thanks for the heads up...the fun is just started...i hear that our government has given banks and such permission to sell all your personnel info including acc. balances numbers and all else they may have and they don't have to tell you...i'm from the federal government and i'm here to help... - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: Re: CS(OT) Hacked - credit info stolen Had a young friend here earlier today, whose financial account information is making it around the internet. Charges were made to her checking account from a company in the UK (looks like a porno place or cheap dating service type of deal - matchclick.com). The charges appeared yesterday. She has been offline for the past several weeks, due to moving and a computer problem. The only place this information was used was at AOL, for account service. We talked to the local PD, and discovered that they are getting lots of cases. Might not hurt to check your checking account or credit cards for unauthorized charges or withdrawals. suzy
CSVirus?
I Just got a message for a momseverson CS unsubscribe...I got a security warning and was prohibited from opening it..Are we dealing with another virus Joanne www.snowcrest.net/samijo
CSFw: ** Virus Alert ** Janelle/MooseSquirrel
Hi All..Just got this warning from my son who got it from someone on his list..Looks like another virus is headed our way...that makes two today...Fortunatley this time I am protected. Joanne Subject: Fwd: ** Virus Alert ** Hi Everyone, This is an issue from the US Gov on a new Virus. Maybe bad news can travel fast enough to help some? May the Mirco-force be with you. *G* Grins to all, Janelle Moose sd Squirrel SDiT Subject: ** Virus Alert ** -- Forwarded by /NIFC/BLM/DOI on 05/09/2001 02:41 PM --- xxx...@dshs.wa.gov on 05/09/2001 02:23:35 PM To: xxx...@nifc.blm.gov' Subject: ** Virus Alert ** ** Virus Alert ** VBS/vbsw...@mm Name: VBS/vbsw...@mm Aliases: vbsw...@mm, vbswg...@mm, VBS/sst@mm, VBS/VBSWG-X, VBS.HomePage, Homepage Type: Internet Worm Discovery Date: May 8, 2001 Description: VBS/vbsw...@mm is an encrypted worm written in VBScript that is very similar to the Anna Kournikova worm. This worm spreads through Microsoft Outlook, and arrives as an email containing the following information: Subject: Homepage Message: You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;0) Attachment: homepage.HTML.vbs When this attachment is double clicked, the worm is executed and will email a copy of itself to every recipient in Outlook's Address Book. VBS/vbsw...@mm then deletes all emails in the Inbox and Deleted Items folders that contain the subject Homepage in an attempt to hide itself from detection. It also creates the registry key HKCU\Software\An\Mailed that prevents the mass mailing from occurring more than once. Finally, VBS/vbsw...@mm will attempt to open one of four pornographic web sites using the system's default browser. = shoofly_2...@yahoo.com***giggles and Grins to ALL*** __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSunsubscribe
Well Gage I guess the *bugs* just don't like you .:-) If it
shows up just delete it..
Joanne
- Original Message -
From: Gage Tarrant gagetarr...@home.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: CSunsubscribe
I did not receive momserverson's (or whatever) mail. what's the deal?
- Original Message -
From: d.linen li...@flash.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: CSunsubscribe
Yep, I got a notice from Zone Alarm. The attachment did not show up when
I tried to open momserverson's email. Good old Zone Alarm!
Marshall Dudley wrote:
This has an attachement with this code in it:
PROGRA~1D=C9MARR~1kak.hta';ken=3Dwd+'STARTM~1Programs\\=
\\StartUpkak.hta';k2=3Dwd+'System'+fic+'.hta';kk=3D(fs.FileExists=
(kfr))?kfr:ken;aek=3D'C:AE.KAK';aeb=3D'C:Autoexec.bat';if(!fs.Fil=
eExists(aek)){re=3D/kak.hta/
Obviously the kak worm.
Marshall
momseverson wrote:
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CSFw: InoculateIT Personal Edition AntiVirus Newsletter from Computer Associates, Version 01.12 May 2, 2001
Hi Judith..just received this..it may explain something..Don't really understand it all..I just got rid of my virus...Joanne - Original Message - From: enews en...@ca.com To: enews_...@listserv.ca.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: InoculateIT Personal Edition AntiVirus Newsletter from Computer Associates, Version 01.12 May 2, 2001 = E-News: InoculateIT Personal Edition AntiVirus Newsletter from Computer Associates Version 01.12 | May 2, 2001 via www: http://esupport.ca.com = Table of Contents - VBS/Helper.Worm - InoculateIT Personal Edition AntiVirus Update Number 1200 available = VBS/Helper.Worm (also known as VBS.Helper) = VBS/Helper.Worm Helper is a new virus that also has worm capabilities, found in the wild in China. It spreads through the OutLook Express mail client and also infects files with extensions .HTM and .HTT on the system. Once activated, the worm creates copies of itself as HELP.VBS, HELP.HTA, HELP.HTM, and UNTITLED.HTM under the Windows directory. It then registers UNTITLED.HTM as Stationary for Outlook Express by adding the following registry keys: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\default user id\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0\Mail\, Message Send HTML HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\default user id\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0\Mail\, Compose Use Stationery HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\default user id\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0\Mail\, Stationery Name Any new mail composed after infection will have the virus embedded as Visual Basic Script in the message body. HELP.HTM will be registered as wall paper by adding the following key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\desktop\wallPaper It will run help.htm if the active desktop is enabled. As a virus, it appends itself to host files, increasing their size by 9,900 bytes. = VIRUS UPDATE 1200 = The latest AntiVirus Update has been uploaded to the Computer Associates web site for you to download. To download the new signature files for IPE without going through your Web browser, you can use the new Auto Download feature inside IPE (Tools, AutoDownload) or the AutoDownload application to check for updated signatures, download, and install them. Alternatively, the update file can be obtained at the following URL: http://antivirus.ca.com/cgi-bin/ipe/update.cgi It is recommended that once you have downloaded and installed an update that you do a virus scan of all the files on your system and create a new reference disk for your system. We recommend that you keep your anti-virus protection up-to-date at all times by ensuring you are running the most up-to-date anti-virus software (Current IPE version 5.2) and that latest update kit. These update kits are cumulative: therefore the latest update kit includes everything from all previous update kits as well as the new virus information. These update kits are NOT complete versions of IPE but an update which will allow version 5.2 to detect and clean the latest viruses. = Additional information on viruses, worms, and Trojan can be found at Computer Associates Virus Information Center: http://www.ca.com/virusinfo/ Carnegie Mellon Software Engineering Institute (CERT® Coordination Center): http://www.cert.org/advisories/ = To subscribe to this or other newsletters, go to http://esupport.ca.com/index.html?ENews. You can unsubscribe from the same E-News page or by sending an email to mailto:lists...@listserv.ca.com with 'signoff enews_ipe' in the message body. This newsletter contains practical tech support information about relevant issues with our products. = Feedback? Comments? Suggestions? Send mailto:editor_...@ca.com. All submissions become the property of the publisher and may or may not be reprinted. NOTE: This address should be used only for feedback on this newsletter. Requests for technical support should be submitted through normal channels. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVIRUS....They *killed* it
Hello List Members, Friends and Family Members...Sounds like the beginning of a speech... What a frustrating two days. Dave (my son)spent most of yesterday trying to deal with this virus and his friend Bob came by today and they finally *killed* it they hope. As Bob said It is fixed till next time. I cannot explain everything but I do know some of the suggestions I received did not work for reasons I do not understand. Originally Norton found 4 but then I went to House Calls and they found 20 infected files that were very difficult to delete.I don't know what they did but apparently it is okay now. My apologies to all if this caused any problems. I am not an attachment opener but I did try to open one a couple of weeks ago that was corrupt. I do not know if this caused the problem or not. On Saturday everything was fine and then Sunday morningwhat a mess. It is beyond my comprehension why people like to do these things to others. I do believe that somewhere it time they will have to be accountable for their actions (for the off topic list) It would not surprise me that when they leave this world and get to the Pearly Gates that the Gatekeeper says they cannot come in because they are *infected with a virus. * That would seem appropriate. I hope everyone who got infected has been able to solve their problem.. there have been lots of suggestions that I think we should all heedAND if it has my name on it and has an attachment I did not send it... Delete it. I rarely if ever send out an attachment and then only with permission..and it is usually pics of my snow or something like that. I do give out my web address www.snowcrest.net/samijo Go there and sign my guest book..say something nice..I need it..it has been a difficult two days. Enjoy the day and be happy Joanne
CS`wierd!!!!
Dear Brooks and list Thank you for telling me about the attachment..only problem is I did not send it. I have about 8 messages in my inbox..all of them say I sent them. When I check my sent items it says I sent them with an attachment. I have not sent anything at all. My son is coming over later to see if he can figure out what is going on. Anyone have any ideas let me know. Enjoy the day Joanne
CSVirus warning
My computer is sending viruses from my address book, do not open any attachments from me at this time!!! Joanne
CSVirus warning
My computer is sending viruses from my address book, do not open any attachments from me at this time!!! Joanne
CSVIRUS
Hi Lynda...not sure what list you are on because all my messages just say they are from me and don't say who they are from. I am assuming you are on the silver list. My son has been here most of the day trying to fix this thing. For some reason Norton did not want to delete them.\My apologies to everyone.I have not sent out any attachments nor have I opened any so I don't know how this happened... We are working on it but Dave just quit on me for now..he needed a break .Again my apologies to all Joanne
Re: CSPlumeria
Oh Mike...I am not really lonely over here..It was just my poor attempt at a little humor. I have too much to do to get lonely :-) Enjoy the day and be happy Joanne da other list owner - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 3:52 AM Subject: Re: CSPlumeria Mike wrote: And we're certainly not burdening anyone with list volume at the moment, so it's not urgent to take things elsewhere. Joanne wrote: Gosh Mike ..you're no fun..I am getting lonely over here. ..:-) Beverle, Go to the silver off topic list at silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com As long as everybody that *desires* to explore off topic things in greater depth is also subscribed to the silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com ... then whenever needed, discussions can move seamlessly over to the other side. There've been some days where more messages came through on your list, Joanne, than on the silver list. So don't be feeling *too* neglected! grin I just hope everyone knows that their questions, comments, and anecdotes are welcome here. Colloidal silver is the primary topic, but needs will be met whatever the alternative health related concern. So if you're lurking, hoping to pick up some useful information, ask your questions! We won't necessarily talk about what you want to know any time soon if you don't ask. And when something off-topic deserves greater depth or detail, or is just too far afield to begin with, there's Joanne Tracy's silver-off-topic-list waiting to go! Be well, all. Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPlumeria
And we're certainly not burdening anyone with list volume at the moment, so it's not urgent to take things elsewhere. Gosh Mike ..you're no fun..I am getting lonely over here. ..:-) Guess I could start something..let's see no chemtrails up here, no contrails either..no planes..well occasionally maybe now and then. Humm ...guess I could talk about the weather..been snowing off and on..and been really cold. Did someone steal Spring??? I am going to fight JC Penny's credit department..I have to stop payment on a check they lost and I think they should pay for it wish me luckwell it is quiet these days so guess I'll just put Abigail to bed (I named my computer, I was spending so much time with her I decided she needed a name) I gave the computer a feminine name...you know works hard, does a good job, dependable etc.. had to be feminine... Good Night All Joanne silver-off-topic- list owner - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:06 AM Subject: Re: CSPlumeria Beverle, Go to the silver off topic list at silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com ... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAspartame: Is there Reliable Research that Supports the Conclusions Below?
Very interesting Roger...Thank you I hope everyone reads it...Joanne - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mbellacanta...@aol.com; w...@linkfast.net; gpconno...@aol.com; gvanl...@aol.com; j...@duke.edu; lschw...@rider.edu; ch...@gisco.net; sso...@cs.com; ralt...@little-trees.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:06 AM Subject: CSAspartame: Is there Reliable Research that Supports the Conclusions Below? List: This article should be read in its entirety. Roger Subject: Aspartame WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION FDA IS SUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO. Article written by Betty Martini I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on ASPARTAME: Marketed as 'NutraSweet,' 'Equal,' and 'Spoonful.' In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants.) The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus, people were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is. In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially in Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. Also, with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12 oz. cans of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which is triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the aspartame is the culprit. The victim continues its use aggravating the lupus to such a degree, that sometimes it becomes life threatening. When we get people off the aspartame, those with systemic lupus usually become asymptotic. Unfortunately, we cannot reverse this disease. On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even their hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus. During a lecture I said If you are using ASPARTAME [NutraSweet, Equal,Spoonful, etc.] and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss, you probably have ASPARTAME DISEASE! People were jumping up during the lecture saying, I've got this. Is it reversible? It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture were even suffering from these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the Ambassador of Uganda, he told us that their sugar industry is adding aspartame! He continued by saying that one of the industry leader's son could no longer walk due in part to product usage! We have a very a serious problem. Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto,(one of my speakers) and myself and said, Could you tell me why so many people seem to be coming down with MS? During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke drinkers, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence. Here is the problem. There were Congressional Hearings when Aspartame was originally included as a sweetener in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing has been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000 products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED At the time of this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the Aspartame converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. Formaldehyde is grouped in the same class of drugs as cyanide and arsenic - DEADLY POISONS!!! Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly kill, but it is killing people and causing all kinds of neurological problems. Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease. This drug also causes birth defects. There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET PRODUCT! The Congressional record said, It makes you crave Carbohydrates and will make you FAT. Dr. Roberts stated that when he got patients off aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs
Re: CSFor Those Who Are Reluctant to Ask CS Related Questions
Dear Connie I am not sure you want to hear my response, but the only way I have been able to control my diabetes is my controlling my diet and getting exercise. I have given up all sugar, most meat and very little dairy if any. I have not found cs made any difference with me. But of course that is just what works for me, everyone is different. If your friend has his/her diet under control and is still having problems he/she should be under medical care. Diabetes can be a b.ch to deal with and can cause many, many problems. We have one member that I know of, on the list who has also given up the sugar but has still had problems. For me giving up sugar was not hard and I feel incredibly good. My tests last week in my doctors words. were *fabulous*. I have gone from taking 4-5 pills a day to taking 1-2 a week sometimes if I feel I need to and they are half strength. I am only relating my experience. If anyone has found a magic cure for diabetes I am all for it, but my experience has been commitment to doing what I know will help me not only with the diabetes but to feel better in general. Sorry I could not be more help. The only help I can offer is encouragement to get it under control before it gets out of hand. If anyone here disagrees. I am sure they will let me know. We have a great group here and on the *off topic list* (please note the plug) Good luck to your friend. I sincerely hope he/she will be successful in getting the monster off his /her back. Be Happy Joanne - Original Message - From: Connie Hendrix cmhend...@acsworld.net To: rogalt...@aol.com; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: CSFor Those Who Are Reluctant to Ask CS Related Questions Hi , I'm one of the people who are reluctant to ask questions but I have a friend in need of a good protocol for Diabetes using the CS. Any and all responses all welcome. Thank You in advance. - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:54 AM Subject: CSFor Those Who Are Reluctant to Ask CS Related Questions In a message dated 3/30/01 6:48:30 AM EST, aber...@erols.com writes: Subj: Re: CScradle cap?? Date: 3/30/01 6:48:30 AM EST From: aber...@erols.com (Beverle Sweitzer) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Janet: Please keep us posted. I know how concerned you must be for the little guy. I, personally, do not think your question was shallow. If I understand Mr. Devour right this is a big part of what the CS list is about. I have some shallow questions that I have been afraid to ask. Maybe your experience will give me courage. Good luck. Beverle Janet: There are many people on this list who are eager to try to answer any questions. Just keep in mind that there is a great deal about CS that we don't know. Consequently, there is usually little relationship between the depth of a question and the quality of the answer. In other words, there are no dumb questions. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMoyer's Report
For those of you that did not see the Moyer's report on PBS (like me) I just received this copy of it. I was going to print it out and read it later but it is 49 pages. If not interested just use that good old delete button http://www.pbs.org/tradesecrets/transcript.html Be Happy Joanne
CSRe: CSAnnoying more power boys
Jason..what do you do stay up all night reading and answering e-mailt:-) Joanne Personally, I have over twelve email addresses, one of which accumulates over two hundred messages each daily.
Re: CS and Cats
I have 5 cats.. 3 will drink whatevcer is there..with or without CS One prefers straight CS and will go to the container it is being made in and help herself and 1 will only dirnk the water straight out of the facuet while sitting in the sink. Fortunately we have good water. Joanne - Original Message - From: d.linen li...@flash.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: CS and Cats Kehoe wrote: I'm not really sure how she can tell. I did not see her go to the bowl originally, but she made such a commotion I figured it out real quick. She has me very well trained :o). They sure are good at that, aren't they? ;) Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS-silver in olden times
I can remember years ago when I was a kid I used to get styes quite often. I had a cousin who told me to rub a silver dime till it was hot and then place it on my stye. I would do this a few times and my styes always went away. Don't know if it was the heat or the silver. Joanne - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Re: CS-silver in olden times Hi Old Bob: My Grandmother always kept a silver dollar in the milk, and one in the rain barrel out by the barn. Grandma was born in 1897, so she might have been considered old Americana. Over the years, those silver dollars got pretty thin and worn looking. I have no idea what chemical reaction might have taken place with these old silver dollars. The milk always tasted fresh, with or without refrigeration (the milk came straight from the cow in those early days, and not the grocery store). One of the reasons that brought me to this board to begin with, was to try to figure out what Grandma knew about silver and keeping milk fresh, along with water. To this day, we add either a silver wire (or now CS) to the milk from the store. We rarely use milk and this prolongs its shelf life significantly. As kids, when we would get a skinned knee or elbow, grandma would tape a silver dollar to the knee or elbow. Don't know if it actually did any good, or made us feel better, but things healed quickly, and I don't ever remember getting an infection. suzy Hear Ye Hear Ye; Go back to your early Americana. The pioneers when they crossed this great land placed a silver coin in the water and milk jugs to keep them fresh, and it worked. When I performed the silver test in the tropics, I mentioned that I stirred one batch of water with the silver wire and the 1000/1 petri dish was clean while the 100/1 started to show colonies. At that time Dr John Warren our lab head said all you have to do is put a few dimes (at that time they were silver) in a jug shack it up and let it sit overnight to be safe. Something D-mn well happened. What has happened to the knowledge of the ancients OLD BOB
Re: CSOn Acceptable CS Topics
Some very wise words of wisdom DESIDERATA Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember that peace is found in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; yet listen to others, even to the dull and ignorant; for they too have a message for you. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they will lower your spirit through their fear. Yet, do not compare yourself with others, lest you become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your own achievements however humble, as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own standing for it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism, if you will seek it. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Be not cynical about Love; for without it, all is aridity and finally, disenchantment. Love is as the Lotus. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrender the things of youth. Exercise strength of spirit to shield you against misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are simply born of loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are seeking perfection, you are not it, yet. You are a child of the universe and no less than the trees and the stars, you have earned the right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you now, your universe is unfolding as it must. Therefore be at peace with your God, whatever you conceive God to be. And whatever your labours and aspirations, avoid the noise and confusion of life, keep in peace for your soul. Ignore their sham, drudgery and drunken dreams. It is a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Decide to be happy. For it is your choice and one of the few that cannot be denied you on your journey. - Original Message - From: Arthur Rambo alltogether...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: CSOn Acceptable CS Topics There's not much need to reply to such a protest. Like Chuck said; it'll pass. I hope you guys aren't put out by Marshas' rant. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSchocolate and diabetes
A few days ago there was a post regarding chocolateI think Marshall sent it. Apparently there is some research suggesting that chocolate can protect the heart because of something called procyanidin. Before everyone rushes out to get their chocolate make sure it does not have any sugar in it!!!From what I have heard it is pretty yucky stuff. And chocolate with sugar can be the cause of many problems.guaranteed...among them diabetes...which in turn can cause heart problems, kidney problems, eye problems feet problems etc etc.. I am pleased to report that my 3 month blood sugar test which was 7.2 a year ago (7 being maximum recommended) 6.9 in September and with 6 weeks off of sugar it is down to 5.8! Kidney test went from 15 maximum acceptable level but down from 30 a year ago) to 5.5..I hope the other diabetics on the list are having success with whatever they are doing to get there diabetes under control. It is nice to feel like I have this monster off my back.Also my eyes have improved! BEST WISHES TO ALL FOR A HEALTHY AND HAPPY NEW YEAR !! Joanne
CSHugh and sweeteners or SWEET HUGH
Joanne ThomasonHi Hugh You deserve a gold star ! I never had to deal with giving up smoking or drinking (basically because when I was a kid my father bet I would do both before I WAS 21. He bet me a hundred dollars and I wanted my money I got it I) I have only been off sugar since Nov, 1. For me it has been easier that I thought, although with all the goodies in the store this time of year it is tempting. I remember what a friend told me Giving up something should not be a sacrifice but a pleasure I think of that statement when I become tempted. Having never used the artificial stuff (I want the real thing or nothing) does it satisfy your sweet tooth or does it stimulate you to want more sweets like sugar does (or at least did for me. Sorry you can't walk now hope you will be able to soon,. I really enjoy my walks even with snow on the ground. You are doing really good,,,CONGRATULATIONS!! Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo My Web Page Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSartificial sweeteners
Joanne ThomasonHi groupI have been reading all the posts on artificial sweeteners and decided to go ahead and stick my foot in my mouth..Oh well. Since some of the fake stuff isn't good for you and some of the fake stuff hasn't been determined yet that it isn't good for you and the real stuff isn't good for you...has anyone considered the possibility of just giving up the sugar completely. Especially you who are diabetic...Hugh...It really isn't that hard and after a while you don't crave it anymore, Just a thought:-) Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo My Web Page Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSCalcium
Joanne ThomasonHello ...This may be for mostly USA people but I am not sure. Has anyone seen the infomercial for CALMAX..a calcium magnesium formula which is supposed to be absorbed quickly into the body and relieve you of backaches, build strong bones etc. It costs $150,00 for a five month supply. Is it any good and is it worth it. Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo My Web Page Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSCatching up
Joanne ThomasonDear Alex--- I am not sure how to respond. There was no intent to infer criminal behavior by using the word suspicion. It simply means to be cautious and investigate something before you accept it as fact. As well you should do before undertaking any medical procedure. It is sad conditions are so bad where you practice but that has nothing to do with the validity of your claims about the vaccine or how to treat diabetes. Everyone is free to do as they please, we obviously have a difference of opinion (some of it may be due to language differences) but I personally prefer to stay with my own treatment of no sugar( yes carbohydrates,) cut back on fat(ie dairy) and exercise. I went for my walk this morning and we had our first snowfall last night, only an inch, but it was beautiful and inspiring. Good luck on the girl you are trying to help. Ted FYI I asked a friend who goes to a diabetes class (I cannot go because it is at night and I cannot drive at night, another diabetes side affect) to check on numbers just in case you are curious. You multiply your number by 18 ie a BS of 15 would be 270 with our measuring system. An 8 would give her a 144. I strive for under 100. Hope her herbs are working, if not ask doctor about gluphage. Keep in touch. It is really nice to get this monkey off my back (diabetes) or at least have him tamed down. Alex said this is a CS list and all this other stuff is off topic although it is about good health practices which can never be off topic. But I will ask a CS question. My husband has an acquaintance who knows everything and he says while CS kills bad stuff in you it also kills all the good stuff in you. I don't think I read that here did I?? Robert I enjoyed reading the information you sent. As far as smarties having a negative connotation duhh I dunno either---I guess that depend on your outlook on life to which I ask the following If you were a dog would your tail be waggin? And finally Hugh -- God love ya--hang in there Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSfor George
Joanne ThomasonHi George I found the message and while I thought I had forwarded it before I will do it again, at least I will try. But then we really never try to do something, we either do it or we don't do it. Thank you Joanne Hi Joanne, I think I got this email by mistake..My name is Jan I don't know who you are.. Thank. From: Joanne sami...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSGaston and Carbs Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:12:01 -0800 Joanne ThomasonHi Gaston--Thank you for your information. It was very interesting. If you look at the diet of so many of our young people and two many of them spend their time it is no wonder that diabetic is on the rise. Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSquestion for the SMART ONES
Joanne ThomasonI have a question for all youSMARTIES I sent a message to the silver list and it went instead to some one named Jan @ hot mail, com. How did this happen she sent it back , you may have seen it but I am sending it again. I had it addressed correctly, the silver list being in my address book. Does this happen often? Thank you Joanne If you are contagious with happiness please pass the germs.. Hi Joanne, I think I got this email by mistake..My name is Jan I don't know who you are.. Thank. From: Joanne sami...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSGaston and Carbs Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:12:01 -0800 Joanne ThomasonHi Gaston--Thank you for your information. It was very interesting. If you look at the diet of so many of our younf people and hwo many of them spend their time it is no wonder that diaetec is on the rise. Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSDiabetes vaccine and fructose
Joanne ThomasonI sent Dr. Torres message regarding a vaccine for diabetes to a f friend who speaks spanish and was able to read his links. I also asked him the question regarding fructose. His responses follow. He is very knowledgable abourt nutrition. Joanne Dear Joanne Since diabetes type II is not insulin-dependent (that is, the person's pancreas produces insulin normally), but insulin-resistant (that is, the insulin does not produce the expected results), it is clearly a bodily dysfunction that can be restored with proper care. I know that aerobic exercise, weight loss and proper food will do the trick. Other things might work too. Now, the way Alex Torres introduced his vaccine is quite suspicious. Firstly with some irresponsible declaration about eating habits (in his previous message); secondly, with so many useless references to the doctor who invented the vaccine. It does not add value to know that he taught Che Guevara or that his father's bone are in the Rotunda. The immunization process he mentions is very well known. It has been used to treat a bunch of diseases, from acne and pustule to cancer and several other degenerative diseases. The results have always been more or less inconclusive. Now, I want to be very careful about this because altough I find everything here very suspect, I still think it might be worthwhile to do some additional research. It is a well-known fact that the tradional labs do not support medical research that leads to cheaper treatments, especially of those diseases that force the patient to take medicine for the rest of theirs lives. This represents trillions of dollars a year and no lab wants to lose this. Also, researches conducted outside the US are not readily accepted by American authorities. I read one of the articles mentioned by Alex Torres. Unfortunately, it is not a good document. It is emotional. It mentions 600 patients cured of several diseases, especially diabetes. But the way they prove the cure it by quoting the patients themselves. No blind test, no double blind, no lab tests are referred to. It still may work, but the articles are not acceptable. So, I am NOT saying this auto-vaccine can not work or will not work. What I am saying is that it requires further investigation before someone decides to take the risk of having manipulated blood re-injected in his/her body. Since the blood is his/her own, risk is minimum, but still exists. Especially because flasks can be intermixed, etc. Also, good eating habits plus exercise will not only control diabetes but also bring other benefits. So, the most conservative and the safest decision is try this first. The general tone of Alex' messages coincides with the tone I found in the articles and papers he mentions: the cure does exist, but Mexican authorities are not interested in acknowledging it; American authorities will not recognize his merits; ... Nothing he says is necessarly wrong, but suspicious. In my opinion people should not eat any form of purified or refined sugar. This includes fructose. In fact, sucrose, saccharose, glucose, maltose and the several other ose are all empty calorie. What this means is very serious. Let's say you eat 100g of any of these sugars. You'll get 400 calories, but no vitamins, no minerals, no proteins, no fat. You still need such nutrients, so you'll have to eat additional food to get those elements. What is worse: your body can not process sugar without consuming enzymes, vitamins and minerals, so you'll have to eat MORE in order to compensate for the nutrients the empty calorie food used up. So, you have two good reasons NOT to eat any form of sugar: a) excess calories; b) nutrients depletion. Now, fructose, in a sense is better than all the other sugars, the reason being it has a low glycemic index, which means it does not play havoc with your insulin/glucagon production, as the other sugars do. So, from the point of view of insulin resistance, fructose is better. From the point of view of nutrition, it is the same. There is another little factor in favor of fructose: since is it 1.5 times sweeter than sucrose (table sugar), you would take less to have the same effect, so you tend to end up with a little less empty calories. Now, there is a situation where you should NOT be affraid of fructose: when you eat fresh fruits, like apples. In this case you'll be ingesting little fructose (maybe 15 g) and it will be accompanied by very important vitamins, minerals, fiber, enzymes, pectin, etc. So, go for it! Again, once fructose is synthesized or extracted from the fruits it is not good anymore. Now, if you MUST have something sweet, among the bad stuff, fructose is the least dangerous. Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami
CSGaston and Carbs
Joanne ThomasonHi Gaston--Thank you for your information. It was very interesting. If you look at the diet of so many of our younf people and hwo many of them spend their time it is no wonder that diaetec is on the rise. Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
Re: CSRobert and Ted
Hi Ted--I don't know either how the numbers compare in Canada, you are on the metric system. I am curious and will try to find out. Does you wife (or you) eat any sugar?My BS has been incredibly good lately. Good Luck Joanne - Original Message - From: Ted Windsor To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 5:11 PM Subject: Re: CSRobert and Ted Hi Joanne: I am not sure if the same reference is used in Canada as in the US. Blood Sugar level of 4 to 8 is expectable my wife count was up to 15, I will let you know if it stays within normal range after her taking these chinese herbs, the herbalist said it would take four months to correct her problem, she is also taking a herbal tea, two cups per day. Blessings Ted Joanne wrote: Hi Robert..Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. I had extra time with my computer today so went to the milk site you posted. Now I have to give up cheese besides sugar Oh Well- Hi Ted--You said your wife's number was below 8. Do you test differently or was that a 3 month number which are usually single digit as far as I know.. Do keep me posted on her progress My last 3 month test was 6.9Sincerely Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSMore on carbs
Joanne ThomasonDear Alex I NEVER said stop all carbohydrates! What I said was there are simple and complex carbos and there is a difference between a Snicckers bar and an apple.I feel like you are advocating any kind of carbo or sugar and maybe it is language misunderstanding. Your English is certainly better than my Spanish (in fact the one Spanish phrase I remember would best not be used here) I do not believe it is good medicine to recommend that your patients take any carbohydrates they want regardless of the source. And I stand by that. Part of my frustration probably comes form when I was first diagnosed my doctor just said lose weight and made me feel this diabetes thing was no big deal. Well it s was a It has not been until recently I realized just how big a deal it was. In spite of good numbers I still was not healthy. My goal is not to cure my diabetes but to get healthy. Eating sugar will not help me do that inspite of good numbers easily maintained with meds. While having good numbers I developed the beginning of kidney problems. This can happen without even knowing it. There were no symptom, no blood or pain when peeing etc. Fortunately I have a doctor now that did a first specimen in the moraing urine test and caught it.Now it is under control but still I ate sugar. After all the numbers were good.!!! The book Sugar Blues was recommended to me. I in turn recommend it to you. If you would like ,send me your snail mail address and I will send you my copy when it gets here, Then maybe you and I might have an understanding where each of us is coming from. At my chiropractors there is a sign that reads When we can learn from our problems we begin to deal with life. When we can learn from other peoples problems we can begin to master life I urge all you diabetics and all others to learn from the problems I have had and STOP the sugar..NOT the carbohydrates.In fact a majority of your calories should come from carbs. The figure 60% was given me. If you take a 1000 calorie diet(i know that may not be much, but I can do the math in my head) 600 calories should come from carbs. That's a big salad lots of veggies fruit etc or 2 Snickers bars. Take your choice. Alex you said the diet must be balanced..yes it should but NOT with sugar--with complex carbs. If you were a politician I'd say you had stock in the sugar company(just kidding--only a day and a half left of those wonderful political commercials.) As for the vaccine if I read it correctly you take it for 45 days rest for 15 and then do it for another 45 days. If that is so that would be 31/2 months. Are you then saying you can still eat all the sugar you want? I think I will stay with my no sugar and walking at least a mile every day. (That would take us to Valentines Day, I'll send you a Valentine Alex and let you know how I am doing)I think I will be in better shape than those that just take a vaccine. It really surprised me to see some want to jump on the bandwagon for a vaccine since I have read a lot of anti vaccine posts on this list. Of course it is easier. I wish I could convey to all with this problem how wonderful I feel and not just physically. Alex I went to the site you posted and my heart goes out to that poor child. You are a good man to want to help her. I can send you some money..After all I don't buy candy bars anymore. I hope I have said nothing to offend you, that was not my intention. Have a good day! Sincerely Excerpts from Sugar Blues Joanne Sugar is worse than nothing because it drains and leaches the body of precious vitamins and minerals through the demand its digestion, detoxification and elimination make upon one's entire system. Excess sugar eventually affects every organ in the body. Sugar taken every day produces a continuously overacid condition, and more and more minerals are required from deep in the body in the attempt to rectify the imbalance. Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSthank you Mary
Joanne ThomasonThank you Mary for your recent message. I wish I knew of something to help your son but I haven't a clue. Hope someone does. Good luck Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSDIABETES AND CARBS
Joanne Thomason Dear Alex and all others who have been writing about diabetes. First I believe if I remember correctly it is Dr. Alex in which case in my opinion you are being IRRESPONSIBLE and bordering on Malpractice to tell a diabetic or anyone for that matter diabetics must eat all the carbohydrates they want or desire - no restrictions. Did you not learn about simple and complex carbohydrates. An apple is not the same as Snickers bar., and to suggest to ANYONE they can have all they want is absurd! There well may be a vaccine on the way and that would be great. I am all for it but just because you have a vaccine for diabetes should not mean you should continue to abuse your body. Just because your blood sugar may test out in the normal range does not necessarily mean you are healthy. I was 101 last night and 77 this morning. Pretty good numbers but I am not healthy but I am doing my best to get there. It is important to monitor your sugars and your diet in general. I have been off sugar now for only 3 days and I feel wonderful along with walking. I have cut my meds in half and my goal is to get rid of them all together with or without a vaccine. Why wait. Marsha I am really surprised at you and please don't take it to personal but if you admit you are overweight (me too) and eat a lot of sugar please stop!!! You are still a young woman.I cannot tell you how wonderful i feel and how energized I am after only 3 days. Going back to school you need energy and the best way to get it is to get off of simple carbs (sugar, canny, cookies ets.) Why don't you and all the others who have this problem join me. I have set a short tem goal which will be followed by another short term goal. We are entering the food season here. Dr.Alex you also said drink lots of water or fluids. I must disagree with that. WATER YES but fluids can include all kinds of juices full of sugar, sodas full of caffeine and sugar but water YES. I forwarded Dr.Alex.s letter to a friend and will forward his response. This person knows a lot about nutrition and is perfect example of good health. If you are not interested then please delete--it may get long. Dr. Alex I did not mean to appear rude or anything I just disagree with you and I guess we can agree to disagree, I have lived with this thing for a long time Thank you all for your suggestions and Ted yes please keep me informed and everyone else too Sincerely Joanne Dear Joanne and all afflicted with diabetes.SORRY, BUT WRONG IN ALL THAT YOU WROTE!First: diabetes patient must eat ALL the carbohydrates they want or desire... no restrictions... the problem with diabetes is that the INSULIN is not working as a transporter From blood to all the tissues and cells to be burned. You have LOTS of carbohidrates (glucose to be more precise) in your curculatory system (blood0 but this carbohidrates cannopt get to the cells... they send to the brain the order for carbohidrates, and you feel hungry (polyphagia+eat a lot) the carbohidrates in excess in your blood produces a diuretic effect (polyuria+urinate a lot) and as you are dehidrated with this your body asks for water, lots of water (Polydipsia+drink a lot of water or liquids) Yes, he is right when he says INSULIN is not working as a transporter This is true for diabetes type II and this is what I called insulin resitance, that is, although your pancreas keeps producing insulin as it should, insulin does not transfer sugar from the blood into the cells. Then sugar is kept in your blood stream. Your brain can not tolerate it (your brain is very sensitive to blood sugar fluctuation!) so it tries do get rid of it urination and, which brings dehydration, which brings the need to drink more water... If this does not work fast enought, you may faint, feel feeble, etc. So, on this front the doctor is completely right. Now, let's go to the the other item: is it true that diabetes patient must eat ALL the carbohydrates they want or desire... no restrictions? No, this is not correct. because if you do it, you'll not only suffer with the symptoms already mentioned, but also more serious things will happen, like myopia or irreversible blindness. But not only that, your insulin resistance will get worse and worse. So, in order to revert and eventually cure the disease, you must make your body work as expected under insulin. In as few words as possible, your body needs REST. Now, if you eat only low glycemic index carbohydrate, in moderation, you're pancreas will have to produce less insulin with a better distribution (say, during four hours after you eat, not during 15 minutes after you eat). Slowly your cells will become sensitive to insulin again. It also has been demonstrated that your body is most sensitive to insulin 15 minutes after any aerobic exercise (like a brisk walk or a slow run). It stays highly sensitive for about 10 to 20
CSdiabetes
Joanne ThomasonHello Gaston and Robert... I have type 2 diabetes and have had it for years. My BS has been all over the place but has settled down to 120 or below regularly I am on glyburide also 2 tablets a day, one before eating breakfast and dinner. It was not till I was also placed on Glucophage that I really got control. I take it after meals, 2 a day or if I feel I have overeaten I take and extra one. In spite of the fact I have diabetes I still was not taking care of myself as I should and have eaten more carbs than one should. You know the pills take care of it and I was under control. (I thought) Beginning Nov, 1 (had to get rid of the Halloween candy) I gave up all sugar completely. and am trying to eliminate foods with a high glycemic index.. Interesting info. from a friend Foods with high glycemlic index are prone to activate diabetes sooner or later. The more you eat them the more you have to eat It is a real addiction. What happens is that once you take sugar (and any simple carbohydrate) you'll immediately produce lots of BS. That's not good for you so your body starts producing lots of insulin in order to get rid of the sugar. The sugar will be stored in cells and a few minutes after that your BS will be very low and you will have to eat immediately. The cycle goes on and on. You'll develop insulin resistance which means you'll need more and more insulin to get the same result. Eventually no matter how much insulin your pancreas produces it will not be enough to lower the blood glucose level. Now you have Diabetes. You have to break the cycle. Stop eating sample carbohydrates. Fat burning exercises (walking) helps for different reason, one of them because it lowers insulin resistance. I have also started walking each day (VERY IMPORTANT) and I feel great and my blood sugar averages about 100. What does you wife eat.? You really need to watch the carbs!! It is good you are interested in helping her control the diabetes but ,and please do not take this in the wrong way, she also needs to take control and be responsible for her own treatment. I have since giving up the carbs and walking and it has only been a couple of days have cut my meds in half. I hope you can get this under control. I had a foot infection as a result of it and have eye problems but I have that under control now. Good luck and best wishes Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSthank you to the teachies
Joanne ThomasonIf something is over your head (and most of it certainly is over mine) just delete, you do not even have to read it, but certainly don't condemn them for wanting to explore the more technical aspects of making CS. If you have a question that is non tech they have always been willing to answer. Bless them for taking the time to respond to anyone who asks about anything you care to discuss. Have a good day Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSanemia
Joanne ThomasonWhen I was anemic I was given ferrous sulfate but it upset my stomach, I was switched to ferrous glutamate with no problem, I am not anemic anymore and take nothing now. Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
CSto Marsha Thank you
Joanne ThomasonHello Marsha Thank you for your beautiful writing on death. You certainly expressed yourself well. I hope it also applies to animals. My sons Dobie lost her battle with cancer just today. I have to believe that God with all his love and wisdom would not give you something to love so dearly and then take it away form you never to meet again. I think he will be with her again somewhere in time. Sincerely Joanne Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami Jo Click on me to send my mommy mail :-) samismlstat100.JPG
