CSNew Molecule
It seems new sub-atomic particles are discovered three or four times a week, but molecules? I don't recall having read of any new molecules ever. This one was hypothesized long ago, and verified only now. It has relevance to climate science, and demonstrates the difficulty of figuring out what's really happening. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120112142232.htm
Re: CSbrain a barrier?
Under some circumstances, even relatively large parasites can cross the BBB, according to a really horrifying article I read some years ago. A child was suffering neurological problems, including swelling that was so severe surgery was needed to reduce pressure on the brain. A long story made short: the MD thought he detected the smell of feces when he opened the skull, but convinced himself that he could not have done so.In fact he had: a colon-dwelling parasite had moved into the brain. The child had gotten the parasite while playing in a sandbox with a visiting child from a southern state in which the parasite was fairly common. As it was not common in the northern state where the treated child lived, the doctor had no basis to suspect the parasite. The child died as I recall.I think that was in an old Readers Digest in case someone wants to search for it. On 2012/01/05, at 8:36, David AuBuchon wrote: Just a few months ago on a lyme forum a lady had fast developing paralysis. CS reversed it very quickly. This, and many other anecdotes, would suggest that CS does cross the BBB to a meaningful degree. David On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:13 PM, mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier? Informed person says it does. I witnessed someone putting a poultice of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de pigmented scar tissue like area. If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even cancerous. I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore. Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean. So I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation and this seems totally frightening. What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. Sorry if this has been covered, I looked at the archives but didnt find anything thanks mg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbrain a barrier?
Several decades ago an MD named Bjorn Nordenstrom, at the Karolinska Institute, reported success in treating tumors with electrified needles applied, as I recall, directly to the tumors.So far as I know, this method has not gained much acceptance. I do not know why. On 2012/01/05, at 9:18, Jason R Eaton wrote: Greetings, According to Becker's work contrasted with Bart Flick's work contrasted with Steven Quinto's work, the following statement can be made: With the right amount of current (extremely small amount), silver ions delivered by this current can cause cancer cells to dedifferentiate, and thus return to a pre-cancerous state. However, Becker refuted this claim; based on his work, it is clear that the RIGHT amount of current must be used. Stephen Quinto followed up and studied the effect that silver ions had on human cancer cells, and found that the silver ion has the capability to destroy cancer cells. His lab studies were never published, but they were very interesting. However, I do not view silver as a primary treatment modality for cancer, as the silver ion must reach the cancer, and with cancer/tumors in the body, if you're not a surgeon, getting that task done guaranteed is not easy. ~Jason From: slickpic...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 16:04 Subject: Re: CSbrain a barrier? What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. So those who nebulize CS are increasing their chances of lung cancer? Terry mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier? Informed person says it does. I witnessed someone putting a poultice of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de pigmented scar tissue like area. If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even cancerous. I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore. Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean. So I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation and this seems totally frightening. What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but anyway, not good I can imagine. Sorry if this has been covered, I looked at the archives but didnt find anything thanks mg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbrain a barrier?
Actually, he did publish quite a bit.
I just found his website, which I hadn't seen before:
http://www.iabc.readywebsites.com/page/page/623957.htm
Nordenstrom also lent his support to Y. Omura's Bi-Digital O-Ring test, which I
think is beyond brilliant and probably decades ahead of its time.
Thank goodness for the Internet. For all the attention focused on the late,
great Steve Jobs, I think Tim Berners-Lee did far more for humanity by giving
away the WWW setup.
On 2012/01/05, at 10:11, Neville Munn wrote:
That's right, he inserted silver wires either side of the tumour I believe
and ran current through them thus the silver ions produced destroyed the
tumour.
His research was never accepted cos he wasn't concerned about satisfying the
powers to be by documenting and publishing his findings. He was more
concerned about PEOPLES welfare! Not dissimilar to Beckers funding being
stopped sending him into early retirement cos he went against advice NOT to
publish his findings...and DID publish!
N.
Subject: Re: CSbrain a barrier?
From: jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:04:23 +0900
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Several decades ago an MD named Bjorn Nordenstrom, at the Karolinska
Institute, reported success in treating tumors with electrified needles
applied, as I recall, directly to the tumors. So far as I know, this method
has not gained much acceptance. I do not know why.
On 2012/01/05, at 9:18, Jason R Eaton wrote:
Greetings,
According to Becker's work contrasted with Bart Flick's work contrasted
with Steven Quinto's work, the following statement can be made:
With the right amount of current (extremely small amount), silver ions
delivered by this current can cause cancer cells to dedifferentiate, and
thus return to a pre-cancerous state. However, Becker refuted this claim;
based on his work, it is clear that the RIGHT amount of current must be
used.
Stephen Quinto followed up and studied the effect that silver ions had on
human cancer cells, and found that the silver ion has the capability to
destroy cancer cells. His lab studies were never published, but they were
very interesting.
However, I do not view silver as a primary treatment modality for cancer,
as the silver ion must reach the cancer, and with cancer/tumors in the
body, if you're not a surgeon, getting that task done guaranteed is not
easy.
~Jason
From: slickpic...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 16:04
Subject: Re: CSbrain a barrier?
What is uncontrolled de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer,
perhaps a scar tissue, but
anyway, not good I can imagine.
So those who nebulize CS are increasing their chances of lung cancer?
Terry
mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote:
Is there information on silver crossing the blood brain barrier?
Informed person says it does. I witnessed someone putting a poultice
of c silver on the arm and this seemed to cause a slightly raised, de
pigmented scar tissue like area.
If I can vaguely remember, Becker said that silver can de differentiate
cells and that skin mediated voltage fields can sustain a re
differentiation and thus some regeneration of limb and bone, even
cancerous. I may not have it right, but I dont have the book anymore.
Another part of the conundrum is that when the silver forms brown stains
on the colloidal making apparatus, this is very difficult to clean. So
I imagine the silver staining the brain and causing dedifferentiation
and this seems totally frightening. What is uncontrolled
de-differentiation? Perhaps almost a cancer, perhaps a scar tissue, but
anyway, not good I can imagine. Sorry if this has been covered, I
looked at the archives but didnt find anything
thanks
mg
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Re: CSNeed expert advice ASAP
I believe that if you are able to contact Ingrid Naiman, who has a website, she might be able to offer very concrete advice. Her book about cancer salves has photos of tumor expulsion from a female breast, and the healing process. Greg or Kathryn Caton in Equador, with altcancer.com, might also have suggestions or links to useful facts. Based on my reading -- I am a layman with no expertise and offering no advice -- the consensus is that once expulsion has begin it will continue until the mass is ejected, and that keeping the area clean and covered with sterile gauze is sufficient. That said, please keep in mind that no one on the Silver List can do what a licensed medical practitioner who is amenable to alternative therapies can do. The contact persons above might be able to direct you to some of those persons. Prescription pain relief alone might be a Godsend. On 2011/12/10, at 4:58, rans...@atmc.net rans...@atmc.net wrote: To everyone who knows about our challenging past 2 years and 9 months since Glenda found the lump in her breast, we send this out and ask for any expert advice on what to do when a large tumor is expelled from the body. Please don't take this wrong, but please don't inundate me with well-meant cancer advice right now. It looks like we've won or are very well on our way to winning now. What we are apparently facing now is the aftermath- it looks like the tumor is dead or quickly dying and is about to be expelled. That is bound to leave a hole and we need to know what to do next. But first- here's what happened this morning... Just to backtrack a bit, we forced the tumor to the surface first with inhaled hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized hydrogen peroxide, then with nebulized saline that was treated with a NightHawk Water Stone to make radon and ozone, then we combined that 50-50 with hydrogen peroxide. The real kicker was Iodine Cataphoresis. That really forced it to open up and stay open and drain out. I have been updating my document about IC and if anyone has the old one, you should ask me for the updated version. Anyone else who wants it, just ask but do so directly to me at ransley at atmc dot net. Since this thing really opened up, we kept it covered during the workday with zinc oxide ointment on bandages, then we applied a poultice at night of green clay and charcoal (there have been numerous other poultices used, but this one worked best with an open draining ulcer). We kept seeing a white surface inside the opening. We thought that was remnants of zinc oxide or flesh exposed to air. Most people who have read much about alternative medicine have run across the idea in the last few years that a tumor is white. Apparently, that is what we were looking at all along and didn't know it until this morning. All of a sudden, after she took a shower and removed the clay and charcoal, this thing was a dull yellowish color and looked shriveled and dry. All of a sudden, there was no drainage or bleeding. She called to me- although not overtly in a commanding way, but any man who has been long married knows that there is something in that call that says Husband Come Here Now. She said- what we've been seeing is the tumor. As she made a twisting move, I suddenly saw the flesh at the edge of the hole make a gap as it separated from the tumor. First time that's ever happened and it didn't bleed. I immediately knew that meant that flesh and tumor were disengaging from each other. The hole is presently the size of a nickel (US 5 cent coin) and is fairly circular. This thing is going to come out and pretty soon I think. What we need to know now is... If it doesn't come out right away all in one piece, what kind of external treatment might dissolve it? No matter if it comes out in one piece, pieces or if we dissolve it and it oozes out, there's going to be a cavity. I know enough to know not to prematurely speed the closing of that cavity, that it must heal from the inside out. What treatments would hasten that process without engendering infection? We've avoided infection nicely so far. Lastly- whatever suggestions we get must be cheap and simple. Not to bore anyone with this, but we're hanging on by our financial teeth right now. Not to worry, we never got much above our raising anyway and that raising was to do the best you can with what you got. As the joke goes, we've done so much for so long with so little that we're now qualified to do anything with nothing ;) Thanks for all the help so far and thanks in advance for any more. DaddyBob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:
Re: CSArgyria
John Grisham has a recent collection of stories, Ford County. One of these focuses on experienced legal grifters who work the nursing homes for big payouts. It's a troubling story. People who game the system make life miserable for everyone. http://www.amazon.com/Ford-County-Stories-John-Grisham/dp/0385532458 Greg Caton of altcancer.com claims to have been targeted by a person of this type. The person suing can get a lawyer working on a percentage; it costs nothing up front. The target of the suit has to shell out for his/her defense attorney. On 2011/12/03, at 8:55, David AuBuchon wrote: Ouch, if it is not EIS, then that is a problem. I guess his best direction is to show that the girl did it on purpose. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi all: ...with a silver product of 3600 PPM and a claim that such a product cannot cause argyria (which is not true), he has opened himself up to a whole host of problems, sadly, especially since he claims that it is impossible to get argyria with his product. On his website under lab reports, he says Impossible to get argyria. I don't know anybody credible that would testify that it is impossible to get argyria with a 3600 PPM product. ~Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 14:58 Subject: Re: CSArgyria She has actually sued already? He himself could also himself present the evidence of doses of EIS that don't cause argyria, and then note how the recommended use on his product falls way below that. The EPA study and the Indian diet of silver foil on sweets are the two relevant things. Also, he could argue that since argyria develops gradually, why did she not stop much sooner when she first noticed the argyria. Maybe that doctor could testify? Hopefully he knows enough to show that argyria caused historically by other types of silver does not apply to EIS, as would certainly come up in the case. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: I just had a call from Russell, who owns Neutrasilver. He has some lady who apparently painted her body with silver and exposed herself to the sun on purpose to try and get argyria, telling one of her doctors that she is going to be a millionaire after the lawsuit. He is looking for someone who knows what the heck they are talking about, and will not prostitute themselves out to the FDA or anyone else for money who can testify in his behalf. Anyway, if anyone on this list has the credentials to testify, or knows someone who does, that is willing to tell the truth, let me know. I was thinking of maybe Brooks Bradley, but don't know how to locate him. Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSliposomal silver research
I am not a chemist or doctor, but it's still interesting to me that of various silver salts, silver nitrate has the distinction of being very dangerous. http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+685 I learned this by chance when I read a newspaper article about a patient in Japan who died when a silver nitrate needle broke off in the body. I didn't understand what that meant; still don't. But it puzzles me that other experimenters would be dealing with the very dangerous silver nitrate, when they could be using some other form. Perhaps someone knows the reason for this? Another point: the Beck Protocol suggests that blood electrification, causing electroporation, may permit colloidal silver to enter the cell, which would seem superior to the methods mentioned below. On 2011/11/27, at 13:46, David AuBuchon wrote: This first paper to me is exciting because it contains liposomal silver nitrate, which is highly soluble. I would have thought that if a silver ion was dissolved within a liposome, it would react with the phospholipids, but apparently this is not so. The second interesting thing from this paper is that they purposely clumped the liposomes together, which to me seems like it could create higher peak concentrations of the contained antibiotic local to bacteria. This could be preferable to ingesting evenly dispersed liposomes. This paper also suggests that 93 degrees F (34 C) is enough to release material from liposomes. This could explain in part what happens with liposomes in the body which is presumably warmer than that. Embedded Silver Ions-Containing Liposomes in Polyelectrolyte Multilayers: Cargos Films for Antibacterial Agents A new antibacterial coating made of poly(l-lysine)/hyaluronic acid (PLL/HA) multilayer films and liposome aggregates loaded with silver ions was designed. Liposomes filled with an AgNO3 solution were first aggregated by the addition of PLL in solution. The obtained micrometer-sized aggregates were then deposited on a PLL/HA multilayer film, playing the role of a spacer with the support. Finally, HA/PLL/HA capping layers were deposited on top of the architecture to form a composite AgNO3 coating. Release of encapsulated AgNO3 from this composite coating was followed and triggered upon temperature increase over the transition temperature of vesicles, found to be equal to 34 °C. After determination of the minimal inhibitory concentration (MIC) of AgNO3 in solution, the antibacterial activity of the AgNO3 coating was investigated against Escherichia coli. A 4-log reduction in the number of viable E. coli cells was observed after contact for 120 min with a 120 ng/cm2 AgNO3 coating. In comparison, no bactericidal activity was found for PLL/HA films previously dipped in an AgNO3 solution and for PLL/HA films with liposome aggregates containing no AgNO3 solution. The strong bactericidal effect could be linked to the diffusion of silver ions out of the AgNO3 coating, leading to an important bactericidal concentration close to the membrane of the bacteria. A simple method to prepare antibacterial coatings loaded with a high and controlled amount of AgNO3 is therefore proposed. This procedure is far superior to that soaking AgNO3 or Ag nanoparticles into a coating. In principle, other small bactericidal chemicals like antibiotics could be encapsulated by this method. This study opens a new route to modify surfaces with small solutes that are not permeating phospholipid membranes below the phase transition temperature. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/la8014755 Though this is also done with poorly soluble silver compounds as in this next study. Which leads one to ask is it possible to get insoluble material into the watery core of a liposome? Topical liposomal delivery of antibiotics in soft tissue infection A new drug delivery system (lipid microcarriers) was studied in an experimental model of infected soft tissue wounds. Superficial, nonlethal infection was produced in the adult rat by injecting 1 ml containing 108 colonyforming units (CFU) of Pseudomonas aeruginosa under the superficial fascia of the paraspinus muscle of a 2-cm2 excised wound. All wounds were dressed with N-Terface, a nonadherent wound material, and covered with Kontor sponge, an open-cell polyurethane sponge containing either normal saline (group I), free tobramycin (groups III and V), liposome-entrapped tobramycin (groups II and IV), silver sulfadiazene (group VI), or liposome-entrapped silver sulfadiazene (group VII). At 24, 48, and 72 hr postinjection, animals were sacrificed and colonyforming units of P. aeruginosa per gram of muscle tissue were determined. Group I had significantly higher colony-forming units of P. aeruginosa per gram than groups II and III at 48 and 72 hr and than groups IV and V at all times. One single dose of liposome-encapsulated silver
CSBurzynsky
I found this information in the past week: http://www.anh-usa.org/new-attack-on-dr-burzynski/print/ There is a corresponding video. It may be that the FDA won't ever approve the (probably effective) antineoplaston drug Burzynsky has developed, and perhaps doesn't like that he found a way to work around the delays. (One approved drug changes in vivo to form the chemicals used in antineoplaston, if I understood this part of the video.) Bottom line: there's strong support for Burzynski from patients and from other MDs, featured in the video. https://www.burzynskimovie.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=126 The attempt to stop Burzynski's work is just bizarre. He uses approved drugs for non-approved uses -- common enough and not against FDA stated policy. This is a case that should be widely known.
CSEMF hazards
The link below is relevant to those concerned about smart meters. http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/cellphone-towers-emr-damaging.html Perhaps the best overall perspective is still R.O. Becker M.D.'s classic: http://www.amazon.com/Cross-Currents-Promise-Electromedicine-Electropollution/dp/0874775361/ref=sr_1_2?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1319588622sr=1-2 The Nobel Prize people have overlooked a great scientist.
Re: CSElectromedicine
The research you refer to in the second paragraph may be that of Bjorn Nordenstrom, who was at the Karolinska Institute doing that kind of research. Nordenstrom lent support to the work of Y. Omura M.D., a Japanese who worked in NYC (and became a citizen I believe), and who used (or still uses) electro-therapeutics and who invented the Bi-Digital 0-Ring Test. On 2011/10/24, at 15:51, David AuBuchon wrote: Hi Matthias, There is a machine called The Rebuilder that is FDA approved as a TENS type of device, but it has silver laced socks (electrodes) that you wear and it is said to heal nerve damage. I have an article on nerve damage treatments on my site, and the CEO of that company commented that basically yes, there is some magic in the silver, and they did not explicitly state it in order to get it passed the FDA easily as a TENS unit. This is silver ionotophoresis. Seems to be exactly as you suggested might be useful. There is a Japanese doctor who in the I believe 1980's got a nobel prize for his work with electrochemotherapy. This is sticking one electrode in the middle of a tumor and many others all around the perimeter of the tumor, then applying a current. It is used in Europe, but as of yet, is not done in the US. This is perhaps the same thing as you heard about in 1906. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSElectromedicine
Nordenstrom was on the Nobel selection committee at one time, or so I read. On 2011/10/25, at 7:12, David AuBuchon wrote: Oh, actually it is like this according to them: “The ReBuilder is different from other common TENS devices in that it analyzes in real time, the waveform that the nerves are responding with, and then creates a specific waveform to gently nudge the dysfunctional nerves back to full function. We have discovered in our research here in our own lab, that nerves communicate with each other like an FM radio. in an FM radio. Each station is looking for a specific frequency and waveform as a ‘carrier”. Then the data sent from the radio station is translated to music or voice. Similarly, your nerves expect to communicate with each other, your brain, and your muscles with specific frequencies and waveforms. The ReBuilder reads all this data from your nerves, determines the various deficiencies, creates a custom output signal, and does it all in real time, and it does this 7.83 times per second to give your nerves a chance to re-polarize and not become overloaded or go into fibrillation.” And the Dr. I was thinking of is Dr. Yu-Ling Xin who worked with Nordenstrom. Though there may be others. And looking back at the book I read it in, there is no mention of a Nobel prize. It must have been the scooby snacks or something. David
Re: CSOT - dementia updates
All, The link below is excellent. This is one to save and print. On 2011/10/02, at 5:12, Dan Nave wrote: Go to http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/legacy/order/pdf/reverse-alzheimers.pdf Dan On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:28 AM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I was wondering if there are any updates from those who were using the blue dye to help the mind with remembering in those with dementia? It has been some time since this has been discussed on this list and I was wondering how the effects were holding up. I have a friend I would like to recommend it to for her Mom if it is working well for others. Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS44 PPM
If one considers that the arguments about homeopathy have been raging for several hundred years, it's easy to suppose that the ionic/particulate debate could go on for quite some time. The bottom line, as Frank Key said, is that EIS home-brew is efficacious. On 2011/09/29, at 1:42, ATOMICSILVER wrote: Hi Jason, what is the best generator in your opinion , many thanks On 22/09/2011, at 17:43, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Alan: It's the age old arguement. Frank says that the reason people experience good results with a good quality home brew is the particulate content. The counter-arguement is that the reason people experience results with Mesosilver is its ionic content. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:29 Subject: Re: CS44 PPM I wonder if Frank has changed his mind about this? I was scanning his web site and he seems to be saying that ingesting ionic silver is useless. All ionic silver will turn into silver chloride once inside the body because of the readily available supply of chloride ions in many different forms. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/AboutIonic.html Alan On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I'm baffled by the comments. As I stated, Frank Key has stated clearly on the Silver List, he recognizes the efficacy of the EIS that most members make. That's a matter of record; it's in the archives.I don't understand the need to attack him here in this manner. -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution) ATOMICSILVER atomicsil...@gmail.com www.atomicsilver.info
Re: CS[List Owner] Whew!
That would be welcome. I frankly doubt the claim that the EIS will be radically different from the usual current-controlled electrolysis. The appeal of his idea for me was that the process of making it could be greatly simplified and that very cheap devices could become available to folks who need them and have the open-mindedness to experiment with something new. That's a very small market, sadly. On 2011/09/26, at 1:40, David AuBuchon wrote: Haha, yeah I am getting a little bit of a don't say anything off topic (ie does not fit with his theories) vibe on his forum. But understandably it is his forum meant to bring out directions for a specific process to be tried. I'll be seeing what he does. I hope it works. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSplease unsubscribe me
That's good news! You've posted some very useful information. On 2011/09/23, at 14:15, nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: Thanks for the kind words, friends. I'm in Korea at the moment and wanted to temporarily unsubscribe so my inbox wouldn't be overwhelmed with emails. It's sometimes hard to do email when I'm traveling. I planned to subscribe on my return. In any case, it's a moot point since Mike didn't respond. I'll be back online on a regular basis on Sept. 29th. All the best, Nenah Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Nenah, Why? You are a valuable contributor. Are you going to post elsewhere? Thank you for everything. Jim On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:30 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Nenah -- why are you leaving? I've always enjoyed and appreciated your contributions. MA -- *From:* Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Cc:* Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, September 21, 2011 6:12:38 AM *Subject:* CSplease unsubscribe me Mike, PLEASE unsubscribe me. Thanks. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS44 PPM [GishPuppy]
Thanks for that. I believe Frank made several other similar comments in other postings as well. I for one appreciated it. He has a proprietary product for sale, but made very clear that we're all making efficacious EIS products with current-controlled generators and distilled water. If new production methods provide low-cost portable devices, those will be most welcome too. On 2011/09/21, at 7:14, David Bearrow wrote: See below. -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS44 PPM [GishPuppy] Some years back Frank Key posted a reply to a debate that was going on then, about particles versus ions I think, and/or manufacturing protocol. It's all in the archives. (If memory serves me, a person who wants particles could distill out the ions by adding salt and waiting for the sodium chloride to sink to the bottom -- it's been a while and I'd have to check the archives to be sure.) What did stick in my mind was his very clear statement that the EIS produced by members on this list, using a variety of methods, is efficacious.That, for me, was the bottom line. 11-26-2005 Featherwon wrote: Before i purchased the SilverGen, i was using Sovereign Silver, but it became too expensive. A small amount was effective, and im wondering what dossage of the silvergen will equal Sovereign Silver? Provided that you get you concentration to 10 ppm, lab analysis of the physical properties indicates there should be no distinguishable difference between what you make with a home generator and Sovereign Silver. Both are ionic silver with a small percentage of silver nanoparticles present. The TEM images do not contain a valid representation of colloidal particles present. Frank Key www.ColloidalScienceLab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS44 PPM [GishPuppy]
Some years back Frank Key posted a reply to a debate that was going on then, about particles versus ions I think, and/or manufacturing protocol. It's all in the archives. (If memory serves me, a person who wants particles could distill out the ions by adding salt and waiting for the sodium chloride to sink to the bottom -- it's been a while and I'd have to check the archives to be sure.) What did stick in my mind was his very clear statement that the EIS produced by members on this list, using a variety of methods, is efficacious. That, for me, was the bottom line. On 2011/09/20, at 5:41, PTFerrance wrote: What I don't understand, Mike, is how everyone that contributes to this list seems to be doing just fine on the CS they make for at least as long as I have been on the list. Now you come along and tell people they are doing everything wrong and can't possibly be getting what they say they are getting. What is your point? They are demonstrating that *whatever* they are doing it is working for them. PT -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:armor@gishpuppy.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS44 PPM [GishPuppy] Trem t...@silvergen.com wrote: A few facts. I made a gallon batch several days ago with an SG7. It measured 47uS. Was still climbing when shut off. I made some batches in 2001 when designing the SG7. They were measured at 45+PPM. They were all clear and colorless. I check them every year or so. Checked again after making the above batch. Still 45uS Checked Tyndall with lights OFF. No Tyndall but a few sparkles probably moving around by Brownian. All batches use VIGOROUS stirring during production. I use 2 milliamps per square inch of anode area. Trem Trem, at 2mA per square inch and flat sheets, you are well above the Nernst Threshold and should be making plenty of silver hydroxide, AgOH. The fact you have little or no Tyndall indicates a potentially serious problem with contamination. It could come from sulfur on the electrodes or plasticizer leaching from the pump mechanism and hoses. Or other sources of contamination resulting from the fact your system is completely open to the environment. The fact that you do not show a drop in conductance after the brew is finished also indicates that the brew is contaminated. The Hanna and COM-100 PWT cannot tell the difference between silver ions and any other source of contamination. So the readings mean nothing until they have been independently verified. One way to verify the performance of the system is to monitor the cell current during the brew and apply the Faraday equation. This tells the amount of silver that was liberated. Then compare that with the Hanna or COM-100 readings. If you measure a higher value with the PWT that predicted by the Faraday calculation, then obviously there is a contamination problem. Another way to confirm the silver ion content is with the Salt Test. This is completely immune to contamination. The resulting dispersion can be compared with a known silver ion concentration to confirm the value. Have you ever performed either of these tests? The highest concentration that Frank measures in his product reports is around 20 uS, except the American Biotech Labs that measures 30 uS. This product is made with an open high voltage arc that creates nitrogen oxides. Frank observes the oxides dissolve in the dw and will form nitric acid. This potentially dissolves any silver compounds and results in a high silver ion content. However, except for this one product, all the rest are around 20uS or below. If your method produced such high silver ion concentrations, why does no other vendor use it? I believe Frank measured the output of your system at 14uS. This contrasts with the 20uS that you claim. Have you ever resolved this discrepancy? If you are truly obtaining 45+ uS with your system, please send a sample to Frank and have him measure it. Thanks, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3906 - Release Date: 09/19/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3906 - Release Date: 09/19/11
Re: CS44 PPM
I'm baffled by the comments. As I stated, Frank Key has stated clearly on the Silver List, he recognizes the efficacy of the EIS that most members make. That's a matter of record; it's in the archives.I don't understand the need to attack him here in this manner. On 2011/09/20, at 9:10, Mike Monett wrote: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Some years back Frank Key posted a reply to a debate that was going on then, about particles versus ions I think, and/or manufacturing protocol. It's all in the archives. (If memory serves me, a person who wants particles could distill out the ions by adding salt and waiting for the sodium chloride to sink to the bottom -- it's been a while and I'd have to check the archives to be sure.) What did stick in my mind was his very clear statement that the EIS produced by members on this list, using a variety of methods, is efficacious. That, for me, was the bottom line. Frank has nothing but distain for anyone who does not agree that his Mesosilver is the best product available. He sells it for some $350 per gallon. You can make a much better solution for pennies. His entire web site is slanted towards preventing anyone from believing that silver ions have any benefit in combating pathogens. He presents false and twisted information to assist his efforts. Anyone who has the slightest information about basic high school chemistry can easily detect his falsifications. His analysis of the contents of silver solutions are false. Marshall is unable to find any way to overcome my demonstration that the black deposit that forms on the electrodes after a brew is in fact silver hydroxide. This completely demolishes Marshall's arguments about the silver electrolyis process, and also Frank Keys arguments why silver ions are useless. There are very few members of this forum who take Mesosilver. Best Regards, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEMs
I noticed that the site Jason links sells a probiotic for human consumption. If you check that, you may fine the information you want. On 2011/09/19, at 0:54, PTFerrance wrote: Would those of you who use the EM products please write about your experiences? How much do you use if you take it internally and what benefits have you experienced? It has been written about extending/activating this but I have not figured out how this would be used in a typical, non-agricultural household. I would appreciate some guidance and I'm sure others would also. Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Jason R Eaton [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Hi hg: ...could have been a typo. It's TeraGanix: http://www.teraganix.com/ Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: h.godavari h.godav...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 09:51 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Bob Banever wrote: Thanks Jonathan. Bob Hi: Could you post a URL , where Dr. Higa's products are available in North America. BTW when I searched for Tara Gamix, Google came up with, Tera Gamix Regards hg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11
Re: CSEMs
In Japan, the only EM product sold for human consumption is EMX, which is very, very expensive, and has no active bacteria, if I understand the product, and are thus not probiotics. TeraGanix sells EMX products as well as a human probiotic liquid. I can vouch for the sick house remediation, though I have no idea at all how the microorganisms have this effect on out-gassing materials. I can also say that EM 1 loves to eat rust, and could probably salvage many hopeless tools and metal items a person might have on hand. The ceramics, if they work as claimed, have enormous potential. Everything one needs to know is in Higa's books -- or I should say, all one needs to know to start learning more. On 2011/09/19, at 2:00, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi PT: Potential therapeutic applications of EM are not widely known. I know that work has been done in Japan, but I'm not aware of any English translations. I personally don't recommend-- offhand-- individuals use EM's internally unless they have a specific reason to do so. I personally often mix a very small amount of mother culture or activated EM with my therapeutic clay for digestion. However, for those individuals who have extreme digestive disorders, and have found no relief with any other therapy, EM use internally may be a God send, with long term use. The biggest problem is finding the right dose. I know one individual who had been hospitalized on numerous occasions, with chronic and multiple bowel disorders; the individual was pencil thin, and could not put on weight. EM supplementation, along with a few dietary changes, turned him around in about a month and a half. I won't say that he was completely restored at that time, but his digestion improved dramatically and he started steadily putting on weight. Those individuals who are extremely chemically sensitive may also find a very good friend in EMs. People have found really good benefit when spraying the entire environment a few times per week. You don't spray enough to soak anything, you just lightly mist the area. EM is amazing for sick house syndrome. EM ceramics can be mixed with any common paint for home projects. A very light solution of EM (a small amount of EM added to a full spray bottle) can be used to help cleanse/decontaminate carpet, furniture, etc. For those with central air, spraying new filters with EM is excellent for air quality. Kind Regards, Jason From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 08:54 Subject: RE: CSEMs Would those of you who use the EM products please write about your experiences? How much do you use if you take it internally and what benefits have you experienced? It has been written about extending/activating this but I have not figured out how this would be used in a typical, non-agricultural household. I would appreciate some guidance and I'm sure others would also. Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Jason R Eaton [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Hi hg: ...could have been a typo. It's TeraGanix: http://www.teraganix.com/ Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: h.godavari h.godav...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 09:51 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Bob Banever wrote: Thanks Jonathan. Bob Hi: Could you post a URL , where Dr. Higa's products are available in North America. BTW when I searched for Tara Gamix, Google came up with, Tera Gamix Regards hg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11
Re: CSEMs
You're welcome. I've consumed EM1 without any negative reaction. I found it calming, something reported with farm animals. I don't consume it regularly, however. Vinny Pinto's site has quite a lot of human consumption of EM and similar formulations, and there are probably many useful anecdotes there. He also sells a book about making EM brews. For the average person, the instructions for making EM1 on the TeraGanix site are sufficient to make the simple EM1 brew that I was introduced to by the wife of a biologist at a local university. Again, though, that is strictly off-label use. Only chickens, cows, and pigs are supposed to have EM1 in their food and drink. On 2011/09/19, at 8:39, PTFerrance wrote: Thanks, Jonathan. I did check it. But with everything that is written on websites that isn't always substantiated I like finding out things from friends like on the list. People who have used it first hand. PT -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSEMs I noticed that the site Jason links sells a probiotic for human consumption. If you check that, you may fine the information you want. On 2011/09/19, at 0:54, PTFerrance wrote: Would those of you who use the EM products please write about your experiences? How much do you use if you take it internally and what benefits have you experienced? It has been written about extending/activating this but I have not figured out how this would be used in a typical, non-agricultural household. I would appreciate some guidance and I'm sure others would also. Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Jason R Eaton [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Hi hg: ...could have been a typo. It's TeraGanix: http://www.teraganix.com/ Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: h.godavari h.godav...@shaw.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 09:51 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Bob Banever wrote: Thanks Jonathan. Bob Hi: Could you post a URL , where Dr. Higa's products are available in North America. BTW when I searched for Tara Gamix, Google came up with, Tera Gamix Regards hg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3905 - Release Date: 09/18/11
Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Bob, Essential Microoranisms = EM. On 2011/09/17, at 15:02, Bob Banever wrote: Jonathan, Forgive me, but what is EM. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 8:23 PM Subject: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Some members, particularly Brooks Bradley, are familiar with the Essential Microorganisms (EM) of Terao Higa, PhD. The proprietor of a local EM shop told me today that volunteers in Fukushima area are experimenting with EM on contaminated crops. He said blueberries went from 20,000 becquerels down to 5,000, a 75% drop. I don't know the details. He also said people volunteering in that area are suffering from throat problems, which I took to be due to radiation, but am not sure. If I get more details I'll pass them along.Incidentally, these volunteers consume EM themselves. Incidentally, most of the news in the corporate press regarding this disaster is, to put it mildly, inadequate. There have been at least three melt-downs and apparently a total melt-through in at least in one instance; some experts fear that radiation is actually moving down through the earth toward groundwater. Given the sugar-coating in the mainstream news to date, this is certainly possible. Japanese people are deeply skeptical of government reports, and I think some major changes are ahead for Japan, but that's all off-topic. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
The name that Terao Higa coined is Essential Microorganisms. The company that
marketed the original formula in the USA is called Sustainable Community
Development Probiotics. The founder trained with Higa. Other companies have
copied Higa's work. So far as I know, none of them have the same vision.
Higa's book really is amazing and is essential reading. He really believes
that EM is an earth-saving revolution. His volunteer work in the
radiation-stricken areas is evidence of that.
On 2011/09/17, at 23:47, Jason R Eaton wrote:
Greetings, all:
Actually, the term is Effective Microorganisms. The company in the United
States that is now distributing this quite amazing product is Teraganix:
http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm
Dr. Higa's book, An Earth Saving Revolution is a very, very fascinating
read.
Dr. Higa's microbial forumation uses sevearl more common organisms to support
the sustained existance of phototropic organisms, amazing little critters
that cannot exist in an oxygen-rich environment, but are extraordinarily
efficient at processing-- what to us-- is toxic waste material, and producing
waste-- that to our environment-- is life sustaining.
One of the most enjoyable experiments I've done is proving that these
organisms actually do exist in the retail product. When cultivated properly,
they are the most amazing purple colored organisms.
Best Regards,
Jason
- Original Message - From: anthony.aqui...@sasktel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:47
Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
I think its Essential Microorganisms. Someone please correct if wrong.
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld
-Original Message-
From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:40:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
What does EM mean?
Thanks.
PT
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Some members, particularly Brooks Bradley, are familiar with the Essential
Microorganisms (EM) of Terao Higa, PhD. The proprietor of a local EM shop
told me today that volunteers in Fukushima area are experimenting with EM on
contaminated crops. He said blueberries went from 20,000 becquerels down to
5,000, a 75% drop. I don't know the details.
He also said people volunteering in that area are suffering from throat
problems, which I took to be due to radiation, but am not sure. If I get
more details I'll pass them along.Incidentally, these volunteers consume
EM themselves.
Incidentally, most of the news in the corporate press regarding this
disaster is, to put it mildly, inadequate. There have been at least three
melt-downs and apparently a total melt-through in at least in one instance;
some experts fear that radiation is actually moving down through the earth
toward groundwater. Given the sugar-coating in the mainstream news to
date, this is certainly possible. Japanese people are deeply skeptical of
government reports, and I think some major changes are ahead for Japan, but
that's all off-topic.
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Re: CSEMs
Making compost is from household food waste is very easy. I've done it. It
works very well. Some folks consume EM for personal health, too, but the only
approved/recommended animal use is for cows, pigs, and chickens. As a
household cleaner, EM is amazing, and works well for laundry and clothing. In
Japan, some dry-cleaning establishments advertise their use of EM.
On 2011/09/18, at 0:26, PTFerrance wrote:
Has anyone on the list used these Effective Microorganisms to good effect?
Thanks.
PT
-Original Message-
From: Jason R Eaton [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org]
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:48 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Greetings, all:
Actually, the term is Effective Microorganisms. The company in the United
States that is now distributing this quite amazing product is Teraganix:
http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm
Dr. Higa's book, An Earth Saving Revolution is a very, very fascinating
read.
Dr. Higa's microbial forumation uses sevearl more common organisms to
support the sustained existance of phototropic organisms, amazing little
critters that cannot exist in an oxygen-rich environment, but are
extraordinarily efficient at processing-- what to us-- is toxic waste
material, and producing waste-- that to our environment-- is life
sustaining.
One of the most enjoyable experiments I've done is proving that these
organisms actually do exist in the retail product. When cultivated
properly, they are the most amazing purple colored organisms.
Best Regards,
Jason
- Original Message -
From: anthony.aqui...@sasktel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:47
Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
I think its Essential Microorganisms. Someone please correct if wrong.
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld
-Original Message-
From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:40:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
What does EM mean?
Thanks.
PT
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Some members, particularly Brooks Bradley, are familiar with the Essential
Microorganisms (EM) of Terao Higa, PhD. The proprietor of a local EM
shop
told me today that volunteers in Fukushima area are experimenting with EM
on
contaminated crops. He said blueberries went from 20,000 becquerels down
to
5,000, a 75% drop. I don't know the details.
He also said people volunteering in that area are suffering from throat
problems, which I took to be due to radiation, but am not sure. If I get
more details I'll pass them along.Incidentally, these volunteers
consume
EM themselves.
Incidentally, most of the news in the corporate press regarding this
disaster is, to put it mildly, inadequate. There have been at least three
melt-downs and apparently a total melt-through in at least in one
instance;
some experts fear that radiation is actually moving down through the earth
toward groundwater. Given the sugar-coating in the mainstream news to
date, this is certainly possible. Japanese people are deeply skeptical
of
government reports, and I think some major changes are ahead for Japan,
but
that's all off-topic.
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Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
The stuff is sold in one-liter bottles that the consumer can use to make about 20 liters more, using only water and molasses. A man named Vinny Pinto has useful English information about EM. On 2011/09/18, at 2:35, PTFerrance wrote: Sorry, I just figured it out... but still don't understand how you can have an Essential Microorganism shop? Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Some members, particularly Brooks Bradley, are familiar with the Essential Microorganisms (EM) of Terao Higa, PhD. The proprietor of a local EM shop told me today that volunteers in Fukushima area are experimenting with EM on contaminated crops. He said blueberries went from 20,000 becquerels down to 5,000, a 75% drop. I don't know the details. He also said people volunteering in that area are suffering from throat problems, which I took to be due to radiation, but am not sure. If I get more details I'll pass them along.Incidentally, these volunteers consume EM themselves. Incidentally, most of the news in the corporate press regarding this disaster is, to put it mildly, inadequate. There have been at least three melt-downs and apparently a total melt-through in at least in one instance; some experts fear that radiation is actually moving down through the earth toward groundwater. Given the sugar-coating in the mainstream news to date, this is certainly possible. Japanese people are deeply skeptical of government reports, and I think some major changes are ahead for Japan, but that's all off-topic. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3901 - Release Date: 09/16/11
Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Apologies: Jason got it right: Effective it is. Here's the link:
http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Saving-Revolution-Effective-Microorganisms/dp/B000UKUCLM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1316298904sr=8-1
The translation is superb.
Here's a link to SCD:
http://www.scdprobiotics.com/
I have not purchased anything from them but had a good impression when they
started out. Still do:
http://www.scdprobiotics.com/About_the_Founder_s/22.htm
If SCD has English information about the Fukushima work, that would be the best
source. I haven't checked.
On 2011/09/18, at 7:25, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
The name that Terao Higa coined is Essential Microorganisms. The company
that marketed the original formula in the USA is called Sustainable Community
Development Probiotics. The founder trained with Higa. Other companies
have copied Higa's work. So far as I know, none of them have the same
vision.
Higa's book really is amazing and is essential reading. He really believes
that EM is an earth-saving revolution. His volunteer work in the
radiation-stricken areas is evidence of that.
On 2011/09/17, at 23:47, Jason R Eaton wrote:
Greetings, all:
Actually, the term is Effective Microorganisms. The company in the United
States that is now distributing this quite amazing product is Teraganix:
http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm
Dr. Higa's book, An Earth Saving Revolution is a very, very fascinating
read.
Dr. Higa's microbial forumation uses sevearl more common organisms to
support the sustained existance of phototropic organisms, amazing little
critters that cannot exist in an oxygen-rich environment, but are
extraordinarily efficient at processing-- what to us-- is toxic waste
material, and producing waste-- that to our environment-- is life sustaining.
One of the most enjoyable experiments I've done is proving that these
organisms actually do exist in the retail product. When cultivated
properly, they are the most amazing purple colored organisms.
Best Regards,
Jason
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 06:47
Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
I think its Essential Microorganisms. Someone please correct if wrong.
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From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 07:40:21
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
What does EM mean?
Thanks.
PT
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From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Some members, particularly Brooks Bradley, are familiar with the Essential
Microorganisms (EM) of Terao Higa, PhD. The proprietor of a local EM shop
told me today that volunteers in Fukushima area are experimenting with EM on
contaminated crops. He said blueberries went from 20,000 becquerels down to
5,000, a 75% drop. I don't know the details.
He also said people volunteering in that area are suffering from throat
problems, which I took to be due to radiation, but am not sure. If I get
more details I'll pass them along.Incidentally, these volunteers consume
EM themselves.
Incidentally, most of the news in the corporate press regarding this
disaster is, to put it mildly, inadequate. There have been at least three
melt-downs and apparently a total melt-through in at least in one instance;
some experts fear that radiation is actually moving down through the earth
toward groundwater. Given the sugar-coating in the mainstream news to
date, this is certainly possible. Japanese people are deeply skeptical of
government reports, and I think some major changes are ahead for Japan, but
that's all off-topic.
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Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Jason, Thanks for all this invaluable information. I did not know that Tara Ganix is an official distributor. If I were buying in the USA, I definitely would buy from them in order to support Dr. Higa's work. I thought that SCD intended to carry official EM products -- and did at one time, I think -- but I guess the company has gone off in a new direction. I've found EM1 extension very easy to make, and found that if air is squeezed out of the PET bottle, it can be stored for years without going off. I have no experience with any competing products, but can recommend Dr. Higa's mixture. Best, JBB On 2011/09/18, at 9:00, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Jonathan: Just so you know, scdprobiotics.com is NOT affiliated with EMRO Japan. The only authorized distributors for EM products are listed on their global parters project: http://www.emrojapan.com:9000/examples/global-cases/north-and-south-america/unitedstatesofamerica.html The primary distributor of retail products is Tera Ganix, Inc. The products marketed by Sustainable Community Development Probiotics may be closely related to EM, based on Matthew Wood's original work with Dr. Higa, but they are not the same. If you look closely at their website, they can only market products that are ...A functionally similar product to EM Farming and EM-1. I'm sure that they probably carry good products that are effective, but if people want the original Dr. Higa organisms, one must purchase from Tera Ganix, Inc., or one of THEIR smaller distributors. Besides, it's much cheaper. The only authorized manufacturing plant in the United States is in Tucson, Arizona. The plant is official run by EMRO USA Effective Microorganisms. Terag Ganix, Inc. was set up to be the retail and wholesale distributor for North America. http://www.emrousa.com/about.html So for those who want to support Dr. Higa's direct vision, you'll save money by purchasing from Tera Ganix, plus you'll be supporting Dr. Higa's global organization. You'll notice that on the website: :EMRO USA is a wholly-owned subsidiary of EM Research Organization (EMRO) of Okinawa, Japan. EMRO holds the universal or global rights, trademarks and patents or patents pending on the technology of EM, Effective Microorganisms, the EM logo, and its broad range of EM products and their manufacturing know-how or processing licenses throughout the world. If you hadn't noticed, I'm a big fan. :o) I have all of Higa's English translations, and have worked through Vinny's book on EM's. I hope you'll keep us up to date on any further information you get on EM's and the restoration of radiation contaminated soils there in Japan! Kind Regards, Jason From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 15:40 Subject: Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Apologies: Jason got it right: Effective it is. Here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Saving-Revolution-Effective-Microorganisms/dp/B000UKUCLM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1316298904sr=8-1 The translation is superb. Here's a link to SCD: http://www.scdprobiotics.com/ I have not purchased anything from them but had a good impression when they started out. Still do: http://www.scdprobiotics.com/About_the_Founder_s/22.htm If SCD has English information about the Fukushima work, that would be the best source. I haven't checked. On 2011/09/18, at 7:25, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: The name that Terao Higa coined is Essential Microorganisms. The company that marketed the original formula in the USA is called Sustainable Community Development Probiotics. The founder trained with Higa. Other companies have copied Higa's work. So far as I know, none of them have the same vision. Higa's book really is amazing and is essential reading. He really believes that EM is an earth-saving revolution. His volunteer work in the radiation-stricken areas is evidence of that. On 2011/09/17, at 23:47, Jason R Eaton wrote: Greetings, all: Actually, the term is Effective Microorganisms. The company in the United States that is now distributing this quite amazing product is Teraganix: http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm Dr. Higa's book, An Earth Saving Revolution is a very, very fascinating read. Dr. Higa's microbial forumation uses sevearl more common organisms to support the sustained existance of phototropic organisms, amazing little critters that cannot exist in an oxygen-rich environment, but are extraordinarily efficient at processing-- what to us-- is toxic waste material, and producing waste-- that to our environment-- is life sustaining. One of the most enjoyable experiments I've done is proving that these organisms actually do exist in the retail product
Re: [SPAM] Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima
Cheers, Jason. Anyone who spreads the word about Dr. Higa's work is doing good in the world. The testimonials page on the website you linked correspond with my experiences. By the way, I checked the prices, and they're in line with the prices in Japan. And when one realizes that a single liter of EM1 can make about twenty liters of extension, the tremendous value is obvious. Take care, JBB On 2011/09/18, at 10:53, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Jonathan: You're very welcome. Some years ago (2001 actually, according to the SCD website) there was some controversy or political problem (I'm not privy to the details), that caused a reorganization of Higa's work in the U.S. That's a great tip about the PET bottles; what I usually do is transfer my activated EM brew into numerous very small bottles. Your way sounds better! Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 18:35 Subject: [SPAM] Re: CSBioremediation at Fukushima Jason, Thanks for all this invaluable information. I did not know that Tara Ganix is an official distributor. If I were buying in the USA, I definitely would buy from them in order to support Dr. Higa's work. I thought that SCD intended to carry official EM products -- and did at one time, I think -- but I guess the company has gone off in a new direction. I've found EM1 extension very easy to make, and found that if air is squeezed out of the PET bottle, it can be stored for years without going off. I have no experience with any competing products, but can recommend Dr. Higa's mixture. Best, JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcentrating EIS
Your ideas about caffeine may be related in some manner to this new report:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110815162337.htm
The idea is that caffeine inhibits skin cancer in some way.Perhaps as a
developer it absorbs some damaging UV radiation, in the mechanism of cancer
inhibition, if real, is at least partially related to that phenomenon.
On 2011/09/17, at 12:20, Marshall wrote:
I am not sure if caffeine consumption makes any difference or not. There
are lots of chemicals which can act as a developer, I simply named caffeine
as one example to show how easy it could be to have a developer in the blood.
I suspect that there are a number of chemicals that would also support the
process in blood independent of any food or drink that is consumed. It would
be an interesting, but time consuming, project to try and find out what
components of blood can act as a developer.
Anothr common chemical that can be used is vitamin C
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/coffee-tea-or-vitamin-cbrkitchen-chemistry-darkroom
Since some derivatives of amino acids also act as developers, it is quite
likely that some amino acids in the blood would as well. My assumption is
that it is highly likely that one or more chemicals present in anyone's blood
would suffice.
Marshall
On 9/16/2011 6:08 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between EIS/CS
and caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you would
be coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea contains caffeine
too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of coffee a day
would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on particular
EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of coffee
is consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there ARE any
known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or inferrrence I figured
you may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
~David
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Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
Mike, I don't think you are reading the postings carefully. I suggest you read them carefully and try to understand their actual and intended meaning. I think that it's well known to most list members that this is NOT a forum for medical advice, and I reiterated that. That's the salient point, and I stated it in protection of the list and its members. I think the guidelines say as much. I will say no more about that; the list moderator always does a first-rate job. As for me, I was not offering any advice other than the the common-sense precautionary principle. I said clearly that inhaling H202 sounds potentially DANGEROUS to me. Further, the initial posting made no reference to medical supervision, which raised a red flag. I suspect that inhaling H202 into infected lungs could be deadly, particularly under self-administration. I don't know this for a fact. I simply cite a potential risk. What I do know is that even 3.5% H202 from the drugstore can react very strongly with gum-tissue infection. I would not want to have anything similar happen in my own lungs. Moving on: who said anything about abolishing H202, or inhalation therapy? That's an absurd insinuation. My objection to your message pertained to your manner of addressing a fellow list member. I found it confrontational and offensive. Several more postings of the same kind -- worse, actually -- have followed in rapid succession. As for the comments about legal matters, I have no idea what you mean. I claim no medical expertise and offer no advice to anyone other than to be careful. I've raised similar concerns in past about inhaling H202, claiming no expertise, but advising caution, even with the drugstore product. (35% food grade H2O2 is downright dangerous and requires special handling.) List members can do their own research and make their own decisions, of course. There's quite a lot of information online. There are also licensed medical experts who can provide guidance. David has since stated that the person he wrote about has an MD supervising. That's good news. On 2011/09/14, at 14:19, Mike Monett wrote: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I feel certain that the list moderator would say (or does say in the list rules) that no one on this list is qualified to offer medical advice to anyone. The reply to the message below strikes me as intemperate, with uncalled for ad-hominem comments. Nevertheless, my view is that anyone who inhales H202 might wind up suffocating from the foaming reaction this stuff can have when it meets pathogens. Jonathan, Are you giving medical advise on inhaling H2O2? Do you think it should be abolished? Where do you claim the medical knowledge or experience to judge posts? What relevant experience do you have to avoid the liabilities that can result from incompetence promoted in this forum. Do you have any clue what attorneys do to people like you? I would try to get some more guidance before posting such claims. Please take careful measure of what is stated, and the consequences of error in the conclusions. Regards, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Any success in creating a very simple, very low-cost system would be of great value worldwide, especially if the current high price of sliver (probably speculative) passes away and the metal goes back to under ten dollars per ounce. SOTA Instruments once sold a relatively low-cost pulser/generator but discontinued it due to some problems with the sealed electronic enclosure. Even this device was about 50 dollars, pricing it out of the market of people who need it most, some of whom live in a dollar or two per day. Mike's idea of putting everything in the public domain is wonderful, because it would enable volunteer groups in many countries to assemble inexpensive units to sell at costs local people in many countries could handle. Because many are in the global south, as they say, a cheap solar chip could supplement or replace the 9V battery. This has great potential. Some researchers have made inexpensive solar still designs, and if links to these were published along with the other information, it would be helpful. On 2011/09/14, at 8:53, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Mike: I am astonished to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS. The best I have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart. I use high powered rare earth magnets in the double distillation process. However, such extreme purity is simply not desirable or needed for the typical single mom. Agreed. However, none of us use this anymore. For LVDC,the thing we are worried about is CO2, which forms carbonic acid. This will quickly raise your 0.3uS to 1.5uS or so. Having an actual closed production system takes care of this problem, although again not very necessary for a simple generator. Silver does not oxidize. Search google for silver does not oxidize, and you will get over 8,000 hits. Here are some: Here we'll have to agree to disagree for the moment. The point is rather mute anyway. For example: The equilibrium electrode potential of silver is +0.799 V. This value is only 0.01 V more negative than the equilibrium potential of an oxygen electrode in natural environments. Then by definition silver is not regarded as a noble metal, because it can still be thermodynamically oxidised by atmospheric oxygen at normal temperatures. At standard temperatures and pressures (STP), the thermodynamical equilibrium of 4 Ag + O2 -- 2 AgO -from the ESA Journal, 1989 I can also show you some journal publications with TEM's of silver oxide configurations which must have occured with some relatively simple reactions. I've never questioned my common understanding of the oxidation process involving silver, as I use ozone and activated oxygen with silver all of the time. I can pretty much prove by physical evidence some very simple reactions. That said, I'll take a look your alternate viewpoint when I get the chance... I always question everything, and I love being proved wrong... there's a big thrill in improving the accuracy and depth perception of knowledge. However, I don't see that the point is that relative to anything regarding a basic generator, anyway. The electrode configuration does affect the performance. I hope to clarify this soon when I get the SilverCell web page up and running. That might be one of your bigger issues. If people purchase standard silver electrodes from somewhere like ccsilver.com , they may not be able to bend them into shape successfully without tearing them up with pliars or some such tool. Also, silver particles are not converted into silver chloride. I don't believe that I stated that they were. Silver ions are leached off by acids, whereby they are then converted into compounds ( in reference to Dr. Bart Flick's work). Frank is dead wrong in this. Ions kill pathogens in vitro. Particles do not. As I stated in an earlier email, work done at UCLA demonstrated conclusively that only the electromagnetic information is required to kill pathogens. I noted that particles in the colloidal spectrum have unique properties not shared by simple ion arrangements. Metallic silver can very easily survive the digestive tract. In fact, you may not be aware fo this, but some colloidal-size particles exhibit enzyme-like activities in the body. However, again, I don't see this as very important to the work at hand. I wholeheartedly agree that Frank is very wrong in some of his suppositions. Internally, something completely different happens. With sublingual absorption, the amount of silver in the blood is far to low to have any effect on pathogens. We need to study this further, since it definitely involves the human immune system Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic information of silver. I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical level how oligodynamics work biologically. As far as anyone really
Re: CSspectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]
Thanks, Mike. This is all really interesting. Through Internet correspondence I know a researcher named Dr. Steven E. Jones, formerly a university physics professor. (He lost his employment due to his controversial research pertaining to the physics and chemistry of 11 September, 2001.) Dr. Jones has many interests, one of which is a low-cost solar stove he developed with his university students. Here's one link. There are others: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Steven_E._Jones_Solar_Funnel_for_Cooking I studied his design once, and it seemed to me that even people in poor countries could make these at minimal cost. I mentioned the idea of using the stove as a still for making distilled water for silver generators. (I believe his former university has several researchers working in that area.) These stoves could certainly be shared by many members of a community, given the low water requirements of your design. Dr. Jone's design is all public domain, as is other recent work on new electronic circuits that reportedly drain very, very little energy from batteries -- a claim that is certain to be challenged, and the basis of which he admittedly does NOT understand. Everything about the circuit is disclosed on one of his websites -- I think he's on YouTube also -- for the same reasons you're doing public disclosure -- to prevent IP problems and keep the technology available to everyone. There are a number of other solar stoves, of course, but Jone's looks really simple and fairly safe. (I saw a video of a mirror-based solar concentrator built by some young guy who was cutting thick boards in half with it. That could boil water fast, but also take off body parts!) Thanks again for your work. Hope this helps. On 2011/09/14, at 10:06, Mike Monett wrote: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Any success in creating a very simple, very low-cost system would be of great value worldwide, especially if the current high price of sliver (probably speculative) passes away and the metal goes back to under ten dollars per ounce. SOTA Instruments once sold a relatively low-cost pulser/generator but discontinued it due to some problems with the sealed electronic enclosure. Even this device was about 50 dollars, pricing it out of the market of people who need it most, some of whom live in a dollar or two per day. Mike's idea of putting everything in the public domain is wonderful, because it would enable volunteer groups in many countries to assemble inexpensive units to sell at costs local people in many countries could handle. Because many are in the global south, as they say, a cheap solar chip could supplement or replace the 9V battery. This has great potential. Some researchers have made inexpensive solar still designs, and if links to these were published along with the other information, it would be helpful. Hi Jonathan, Good to hear from you again! One significant advantage of the SilverCell process is it uses a minimum of the consumables. The silver electrodes are short length of 12 ga 0.999 fine silver, and they will last a long time. Due to the use of sublingual absorption, only a small amount of cs is used for each dose. Instead of 250ml, only about 50 ml is used. The cs is not ingested, but is expelled after about 12 minutes. So the requirement for distilled water is only 20% of the amount needed in conventional cs systems. The current requirement is very low. I calculate that a 9 Volt alkaline should last for about 110 brews of 400ml each. This works out to around 2 years for one person, and it breaks down to a very small cost per dose. Also, the SilverCell can use discarded batteries that are too weak to drive boom boxes. There is a plentiful supply of these, so there should be no problem getting batteries to make cs. The main problem will be getting good quality distilled water. Perhaps we could develop a solar still that might deliver a high enough quality to work. After all, what does a distiller need? Heat. What does the sun give? Heat. Maybe a simple mirror to focus the energy, and some low leaching materials to conduct the water and vapor as required. If you have any information on people who may have already done this, please let me know. Best Regards, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
I feel certain that the list moderator would say (or does say in the list rules) that no one on this list is qualified to offer medical advice to anyone. The reply to the message below strikes me as intemperate, with uncalled for ad-hominem comments. Nevertheless, my view is that anyone who inhales H202 might wind up suffocating from the foaming reaction this stuff can have when it meets pathogens. On 2011/09/14, at 13:27, Mike Monett wrote: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone do nebulized silver and peroxide on alternating days? I have an elderly person with lung cancer, diabetes, and mild parkinsons. He is already doing nebulized peroxide. I want to give him nebulized silver 100 (100ppm potassium silver citrate). No chemical reactions between residual silver and peroxide going to cause a problem, don't you think? ~David David, You are completely out of your field. Words like irresponsible, amateur, incompetent, ignorant, lethal, dangerous, and incredulous cross my mind. All at the same time. How on earth did you find yourself in such a position as to be giving treatment to someone destined to leave this earth. What failure in the many facilites of social services available in the US has presented this poor victim to your ministrations. You have absolutely no medical training or knowledge. For you to ask these question on this forum simply means you have no clue about healing or legal responsibilities. Please try to find some health organization that can take over from your unbelievable attempts, and hope you can get away without serious legal consequences. And do it now. Do not wait one more moment. You simply have no clue what you are doing. Best Regards, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMiniCell Design Considerations
I second that comment. It's an impressive project and I hope it succeeds. One point regarding cost: 9V batteries aren't cheap. I just purchased a charger and batteries from a company called Tynergy; these are on Amazon and eBay both. It has good ratings on Amazon. If you put together a low-cost kit, including Tynergy batteries might be a good idea. I have no connection to the company. Thanks for your interesting post. On 2011/09/11, at 5:13, gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Wow Mike. What a wonderful plan you have. I'm so impressed. It seems you've thought of everything for our single, hurried mom. I know so many women in that same situation, and when you start saying 'here's this electric device you can build--or, here's a $150 device you can buy they just go oh, I don't have the money and I have zero idea how to build anything. So if you make it simple and easy enough we can get them into the hands of all these families. Great, great idea. You have a big heart with a lot of compassion. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Here are some of the design considerations for the MiniCell version of the SilverCell process: My main concern is a single mom with hungry kids to feed. They probably go to DayCare or Kindergarten, where cold and flu pathogens rapidly spread, and the kids bring these germs home. So the mother is constantly bathed in a sea of germs at home.
Re: CSMiniCell Design Considerations
Thanks for this -- it's good news. BTW, the company claims a steady 250 mA, which is also claimed to be identical to an ordinary 9V alkaline.As for the device Mr. Monnet is working on, the battery would make it portable and usable anytime, anyplace -- better than an inexpensive 9V wall adapter. On 2011/09/11, at 13:14, Sara Mandal-Joy wrote: Our Tynergy batteries and charger work well - our batteries get a huge workout - going through one or two AAA batteries every day. Our initial pack is still doing pretty well over a year later. They don't keep going as long as they did at first, and definately not as long as a nonrechargeable. But they still recharge and hold the charge for lengthy periods (misplaced one and found it months later in a backpack, still ready to go).We are getting ready to purchase a second pack of these, not to replace the ones we have, but for a backup for when they are needed. We'll keep using what we have now, even once they'll only work an hour or two (they are still averaging 6 for now), for the times when that is sufficient. We would have gone through probably at least 500 regular batteries in this time period. The rechargeables have been a huge savings, and we've been extremely satisfied with their functioning. I had tried other kinds of rechargeables, before we found the Tynergy, and were nowhere near as satisfied. Different problems for different kinds, but basically they just didn't really work for us. Tynergy has. And, no, I'm not a salesperson, have no connection with the company other than as a consumer of the product. Sara On 9/10/2011 9:09 PM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: I second that comment. It's an impressive project and I hope it succeeds. One point regarding cost: 9V batteries aren't cheap. I just purchased a charger and batteries from a company called Tynergy; these are on Amazon and eBay both. It has good ratings on Amazon. If you put together a low-cost kit, including Tynergy batteries might be a good idea. I have no connection to the company. Thanks for your interesting post. On 2011/09/11, at 5:13, gaiac...@gmail.com mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Wow Mike. What a wonderful plan you have. I'm so impressed. It seems you've thought of everything for our single, hurried mom. I know so many women in that same situation, and when you start saying 'here's this electric device you can build--or, here's a $150 device you can buy they just go oh, I don't have the money and I have zero idea how to build anything. So if you make it simple and easy enough we can get them into the hands of all these families. Great, great idea. You have a big heart with a lot of compassion. Samala, Renee /---Original Message---/ Here are some of the design considerations for the MiniCell version of the SilverCell process: My main concern is a single mom with hungry kids to feed. They probably go to DayCare or Kindergarten, where cold and flu pathogens rapidly spread, and the kids bring these germs home. So the mother is constantly bathed in a sea of germs at home. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUsing Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease
Also, the train can run over your body. On 2011/08/12, at 23:16, Marshall wrote: The trains are electric. The tracks are at ground level, electrically. As the trains move the current goes through the wheels, which make and lose contact, producing spikes on the rails. Since each wheel is on only one of the rails, the spikes one each rail are different. These spikes will tend to apply current through those across the rails which would be similar to what a Clark Zapper applies. This could be very dangerous though, the voltage of the overhead wires is probably over 1,000 volts, and a falling wire, motor failure, lightning strike or derailment could easily put lethal voltage on one of the rails. Marshall On 8/11/2011 10:38 PM, Steve Levine wrote: The old 6v lantern battery with a resistor is the way to go. There is a Yahoo forum called microelectricitygermkiller · Batteries vs Germs that discusses this in depth. Laying on train tracks to get a little juice seems dicey at best. Steve Kathryn Neffn...@swtexas.net wrote: = Thanks for the post, that was very interesting..wonder if it will catch on in other parts of the world that have those kinds of rails. K Neff -Original Message- From: Dan Nave Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSUsing Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease From the Dr. Clark Research Association (Hulda Clark) Newsletter. Dan Here is an amusing story that is very interesting for us who are familiar with Dr. Clark's zapper. Apparently, people in Indonesia have taken to zapping themselves across railway tracks because there is an electrical potential between them that will zap the body. They are claiming relief from many ailments! See the report on ABC News here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-03/electricity-therapy/2823200. Amazing how they rave how much it is helping them! But now the authorities want to crack down on this absolutely free remedy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGeneral commentary
Incidentally, I think someone posted a link to videos about this in the past. Is this the therapy using extra-virgin coconut oil? EVCO in the case I recall was truly remarkable. The husband was shown in the videos. He was clearly not functioning normally, but could talk and understand what was going on, whereas before he had been unable to do much of anything. He described the effects of the EVCO as being like a light switch going on in his brain. Long-chain trilgycerides were thought to be the mechanism, as I recall. On 2011/07/19, at 10:17, Deborah Gerard wrote: Brooks..look very forward to it :) From: Brooks Bradley brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: CSGeneral commentary I deem this information to be of sufficient, potential impact, to merit a posting. We have, on several different occasions, conducted evaluations of potential value..which were levied on promising protocols designed to mitigate the awful effects of Alzheimer's. None of them proved effective.up to this present time. A few months ago I ran across the researches (involving her personal experiences) and adaptations, while searching for an effective address for her 53 year old husband's sudden-onset Alzheimer's challenge.. of the efforts of a medical [professional. Her name is Dr. Mary Newport. I encourage interested list members to conduct a search-engine inquiry on her efforts and results. I was so impressed that I have convinced others (among my associates), to conduct a limited, anecdotal, evaluation of a similar type. Our early results (covering the immediately-past six weeks) have been promising indeed. The centerpiece of her protocol is UNMODIFIED coconut oil. I believe one can locate quite adequate analysis of her activities relating to this caseon the Internet. I will, at a later date, post a general summary of our research results. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGeneral commentary
Bob, Thanks for this. In the video I watched, the man's wife -- an MD -- discussed top-level, underfunded research going at at NIH in Bethesda. The hope at NIH is to make the active components of the EVCO even more effective. The MD discovered this all online, while trying to help her husband, thereby demonstrating that all of us now have the same access to powerful tools to help ourselves and our loved one. Our list, of course, is one of the best manifestations of Internet sharing and caring; thanks as always to our excellent moderator, and to Brooks, a priceless resource. On 2011/07/19, at 11:47, Bob Banever wrote: Jonathan, VCO contains MCT's or MCFA's (medium chain triglycerides). This is one of it's secrets the medium chain fatty acids are used by the body for energy, they don't get stored like long chain's do. The lauric acid (monolaurin) is another of it's secrets as this is the same monolaurin found in breast milk that helps protect the baby from bacterial and viral attack. Ketones are formed from the MCT's which somehow help protect and regenerate brain cells. Bob - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:35 PM Subject: Re: CSGeneral commentary Incidentally, I think someone posted a link to videos about this in the past. Is this the therapy using extra-virgin coconut oil? EVCO in the case I recall was truly remarkable. The husband was shown in the videos. He was clearly not functioning normally, but could talk and understand what was going on, whereas before he had been unable to do much of anything. He described the effects of the EVCO as being like a light switch going on in his brain. Long-chain trilgycerides were thought to be the mechanism, as I recall. On 2011/07/19, at 10:17, Deborah Gerard wrote: Brooks..look very forward to it :) From: Brooks Bradley brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 7:46 PM Subject: CSGeneral commentary I deem this information to be of sufficient, potential impact, to merit a posting. We have, on several different occasions, conducted evaluations of potential value..which were levied on promising protocols designed to mitigate the awful effects of Alzheimer's. None of them proved effective.up to this present time. A few months ago I ran across the researches (involving her personal experiences) and adaptations, while searching for an effective address for her 53 year old husband's sudden-onset Alzheimer's challenge.. of the efforts of a medical [professional. Her name is Dr. Mary Newport. I encourage interested list members to conduct a search-engine inquiry on her efforts and results. I was so impressed that I have convinced others (among my associates), to conduct a limited, anecdotal, evaluation of a similar type. Our early results (covering the immediately-past six weeks) have been promising indeed. The centerpiece of her protocol is UNMODIFIED coconut oil. I believe one can locate quite adequate analysis of her activities relating to this caseon the Internet. I will, at a later date, post a general summary of our research results. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: 'Ole Bob's Colloidal Silver Book
FYI, the link below is a two-page history of CS -- at least, that's what I got. On 2011/07/15, at 3:33, David Bearrow wrote: http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/BasicInformation/History%20of%20Colloidal%20S ilver%20-%20Ole%20Bob.doc
Re: CSWill someone ask NCCAM a question for me?
Yes. Tired I was. Got right three words the anyway. On 2011/07/06, at 10:27, Dan Nave wrote: Actually, that is Murder by Injection. Dan On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: A book called Injection by Murder is available online as a free PDF download. It's a scathing indictment of the AMA and ACS. It's a long read, and well worth the time. It was published in 1989, by the late Eustace Mullins. On 2011/07/04, at 0:20, Bob Banever wrote: They will never test colloidal silver because it works. This agency a scam they test things that the pharma companies know will never be able to compete with them, and they rarely test something that actually works. Our government is corrupt from top to bottom, inside to out. There are several HIV potential cures they won't test. MMS is another, still another is cannabis oil. The list is long, but don't hold your breath for anything to be tested that actually works. Bob - Original Message - From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:24 PM Subject: CSWill someone ask NCCAM a question for me? The NCCAM is the US National Centre for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Most of you have probably heard of it. They spend MILLIONS OF YOUR DOLLARS funding research into alternative health products. (http://nccam.nih.gov/ http://nccam.nih.gov/grants/) It appears they have never conducted or funded any original research into Colloidal Silver. I'd like to know why. (Yes I know they have a 'Backgrounder' but that's not what I'm looking for.) My request is that one or more of you 'Silverlisters' will send the following brief email to NACCM. I think the appropriate contact to start with would be this person.. Carol Pontzer, Ph.D. E-mail: pontz...@mail.nih.gov (http://nccam.nih.gov/grants/contact/#jg) Dear Dr Pontzer, Could you please advise me if NCCAM has ever received an application for a grant to conduct research into the medicinal use of Colloidal Silver? If so, could you please advise me of your response to that request. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Your name, address, phone, etc. (As an Australian I think it would probably be useless to ask NCCAM myself. I doubt I would even get a response. So I'm hoping one of you US TAXPAYERS will take up the task and get back to the group.) Please note that I'm not interested in getting funding myself. I just think the answer to this question could be quite enlightening. It looks to me like the vast bulk of NCCAM research funding goes to medical schools and universities who know that its a bad idea to rattle Big Pharma's chain, so consequently they research stuff that the big drug companies couldn't care less about. (See completed NACCM trials here... http://tiny.cc/hmsb0 ). If no research has been done simply because no-one has asked for funding then maybe thats something we should make widely known. So, will someone do this for me and the silverlist team. Cheers, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWill someone ask NCCAM a question for me?
Incidentally, every time I tried to attach a link for the PDF, the message would not go through. I tried three times, even sending a copy to the moderator. Odd. Maybe you can succeed, although it's a very easy Google search. Comes up on the first page. On 2011/07/06, at 12:03, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Yes. Tired I was. Got right three words the anyway. On 2011/07/06, at 10:27, Dan Nave wrote: Actually, that is Murder by Injection. Dan On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: A book called Injection by Murder is available online as a free PDF download. It's a scathing indictment of the AMA and ACS. It's a long read, and well worth the time. It was published in 1989, by the late Eustace Mullins. On 2011/07/04, at 0:20, Bob Banever wrote: They will never test colloidal silver because it works. This agency a scam they test things that the pharma companies know will never be able to compete with them, and they rarely test something that actually works. Our government is corrupt from top to bottom, inside to out. There are several HIV potential cures they won't test. MMS is another, still another is cannabis oil. The list is long, but don't hold your breath for anything to be tested that actually works. Bob - Original Message - From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:24 PM Subject: CSWill someone ask NCCAM a question for me? The NCCAM is the US National Centre for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Most of you have probably heard of it. They spend MILLIONS OF YOUR DOLLARS funding research into alternative health products. (http://nccam.nih.gov/ http://nccam.nih.gov/grants/) It appears they have never conducted or funded any original research into Colloidal Silver. I'd like to know why. (Yes I know they have a 'Backgrounder' but that's not what I'm looking for.) My request is that one or more of you 'Silverlisters' will send the following brief email to NACCM. I think the appropriate contact to start with would be this person.. Carol Pontzer, Ph.D. E-mail: pontz...@mail.nih.gov (http://nccam.nih.gov/grants/contact/#jg) Dear Dr Pontzer, Could you please advise me if NCCAM has ever received an application for a grant to conduct research into the medicinal use of Colloidal Silver? If so, could you please advise me of your response to that request. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Your name, address, phone, etc. (As an Australian I think it would probably be useless to ask NCCAM myself. I doubt I would even get a response. So I'm hoping one of you US TAXPAYERS will take up the task and get back to the group.) Please note that I'm not interested in getting funding myself. I just think the answer to this question could be quite enlightening. It looks to me like the vast bulk of NCCAM research funding goes to medical schools and universities who know that its a bad idea to rattle Big Pharma's chain, so consequently they research stuff that the big drug companies couldn't care less about. (See completed NACCM trials here... http://tiny.cc/hmsb0 ). If no research has been done simply because no-one has asked for funding then maybe thats something we should make widely known. So, will someone do this for me and the silverlist team. Cheers, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWill someone ask NCCAM a question for me?
A book called Injection by Murder is available online as a free PDF download. It's a scathing indictment of the AMA and ACS. It's a long read, and well worth the time. It was published in 1989, by the late Eustace Mullins. On 2011/07/04, at 0:20, Bob Banever wrote: They will never test colloidal silver because it works. This agency a scam they test things that the pharma companies know will never be able to compete with them, and they rarely test something that actually works. Our government is corrupt from top to bottom, inside to out. There are several HIV potential cures they won't test. MMS is another, still another is cannabis oil. The list is long, but don't hold your breath for anything to be tested that actually works. Bob - Original Message - From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:24 PM Subject: CSWill someone ask NCCAM a question for me? The NCCAM is the US National Centre for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Most of you have probably heard of it. They spend MILLIONS OF YOUR DOLLARS funding research into alternative health products. (http://nccam.nih.gov/ http://nccam.nih.gov/grants/) It appears they have never conducted or funded any original research into Colloidal Silver. I'd like to know why. (Yes I know they have a 'Backgrounder' but that's not what I'm looking for.) My request is that one or more of you 'Silverlisters' will send the following brief email to NACCM. I think the appropriate contact to start with would be this person.. Carol Pontzer, Ph.D. E-mail: pontz...@mail.nih.gov (http://nccam.nih.gov/grants/contact/#jg) Dear Dr Pontzer, Could you please advise me if NCCAM has ever received an application for a grant to conduct research into the medicinal use of Colloidal Silver? If so, could you please advise me of your response to that request. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Your name, address, phone, etc. (As an Australian I think it would probably be useless to ask NCCAM myself. I doubt I would even get a response. So I'm hoping one of you US TAXPAYERS will take up the task and get back to the group.) Please note that I'm not interested in getting funding myself. I just think the answer to this question could be quite enlightening. It looks to me like the vast bulk of NCCAM research funding goes to medical schools and universities who know that its a bad idea to rattle Big Pharma's chain, so consequently they research stuff that the big drug companies couldn't care less about. (See completed NACCM trials here... http://tiny.cc/hmsb0 ). If no research has been done simply because no-one has asked for funding then maybe thats something we should make widely known. So, will someone do this for me and the silverlist team. Cheers, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTest
Test -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCipro
The link below is NOT the original news broadcast, which featured a simultaneous English interpretation of better quality. The video is poor quality. That said, it is in fact the real broadcast, and a legitimate news report from Japan, so the YouTube poster is doing a good service. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS3CZ-wgkoU It may be possible to purchase acidic water directly from a pharmacy or chemical supply house, bypassing the need to purchase an alkaline water machine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS3CZ-wgkoU On 2011/06/10, at 22:53, Kathy wrote: We are facing a terrible toe infection in a diabetic which leaves little choice if he wants to keep his foot. I was wondering of anyone knows if he can take silver at the same time or if it would potentially cancel out the effects of the antibiotic. BTW he started using a vibration platform ten minutes three times a day and it seems to be helping with the circulation to his feet. We shall see. Kathy From: Anthony Cullingworth Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCipro I am not sure if it can or not, but Cipro is know to somtimes cause horrific side effects. Sometimes they can occur months after usage. Anthony - Original Message - From: Kathy To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: CSCipro Can silver be given internally while taking Cipro? Anyone know? Thanks, Kathy __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6191 (20110608) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: CSDIABETES FOOT PROBLEM
By the way, the treatment was administered in a hospital, and supervised by doctors and nurses, including the surgeon who would have done the amputations. The same show demonstrated the use of the acidic water on elderly bid-ridden patients with (painful to see!) bedsores. The cure was nothing more than cotton gauze soaked in acidic water and applied to the sores. The alkaline water also reportedly aided digestion and greatly reduced unpleasant odor in the diapers of these old people. The hospital had large-scale units to make lots of this water, which also had uses in the kitchen -- to sanitize food. On 2011/06/02, at 12:31, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: A Japanese news show several years ago showed a working man whose feet were badly damaged by poor circulation from diabetes. Amputation of part of the foot seemed unavoidable. Had that come to pass he'd have been unemployable. Soaking the feet in acidic water produced by an alkaline water machine saved his feet. The acidic water eliminated the gangrenous tissue and normal skin tissue grew back. Moreover, drinking large quantities of alkaline water reduced his need for insulin dramatically.He was able to return to work. The news show is a well-known and reputable program, and the video footage was obviously bona fide. It was an impressive segment. On 2011/06/02, at 9:44, Gayla Roberts wrote: Try Vick's Vapor Rub on your feet every night. It will help circulation. Gayla - Original Message - From: Gladys Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: CSDIABETES FOOT PROBLEM Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes. In addition I have Lower Limb Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily. This has created a very very serious circulation problem in my big toe. Have taken two courses of antibiotics and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really scared, any advice?? Gladys
Re: CSDIABETES FOOT PROBLEM
A Japanese news show several years ago showed a working man whose feet were badly damaged by poor circulation from diabetes. Amputation of part of the foot seemed unavoidable. Had that come to pass he'd have been unemployable. Soaking the feet in acidic water produced by an alkaline water machine saved his feet. The acidic water eliminated the gangrenous tissue and normal skin tissue grew back. Moreover, drinking large quantities of alkaline water reduced his need for insulin dramatically.He was able to return to work. The news show is a well-known and reputable program, and the video footage was obviously bona fide. It was an impressive segment. On 2011/06/02, at 9:44, Gayla Roberts wrote: Try Vick's Vapor Rub on your feet every night. It will help circulation. Gayla - Original Message - From: Gladys Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: CSDIABETES FOOT PROBLEM Hi list--I was recently diagnosed with Diabetes. In addition I have Lower Limb Lymphedema so my legs swell and go back down daily. This has created a very very serious circulation problem in my big toe. Have taken two courses of antibiotics and the toe is very red and has two blisters. I'm really scared, any advice?? Gladys
Re: CSSezary Disease
Thank you for this. I'm very sorry to hear the sad news about your husband. I've followed the terrible stories about WTC first responder illness and death closely, and hope that in time there will be full accountability for this disaster. There's a fine video called Dust and Deceit that explains the inexcusable and arguably criminal EPA failure to protect people. The person I know, a Japanese housewife, had no connection whatsoever to WTC or NYC or even the USA. Whether or not there were environmental toxins involved I don't know. Thank you again. On 2011/05/14, at 11:32, Teri wrote: I lost my husband to this in 2008. Was your friend involved with the WTC at all? Hubby drank about a quart a day of CS and it did not help. He worked on the WTC pile for off and on for 4 months (FDNY). His Dr. at Yale was a specialist in treating it and she was very surprised to hear that 4 FDNY members who worked on the pile had CTCL which Sezary is the end type. Teri At 08:52 PM 5/12/2011, you wrote: An acquaintance his been diagnosed with a rare disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sézary's_disease If anyone has information about treatments that offer a better prognosis than the standard five years, please advise. There is reportedly no known cause. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThank you...
Mike, Congratulations on the good news. Dr. Dean Ornish has been known for many years to have reversed heart disease. http://www.amazon.com/Ornishs-Program-Reversing-Heart-Disease/dp/0804110387 So far as I can tell, these claims are scientifically validated. That may be a good place to start studying. On 2011/05/12, at 8:54, M. G. Devour wrote: Hi everyone, Thank you to all for your prayers and good wishes for my brother, et. al. He came through the procedure well. The doctor was able to place a stent in the biggest of the three occluded grafts, which, combined with the other successful graft, has restored more than 50% circulation to the heart. He will go back for additional stents to be inserted in one or both the remaining grafts after he's had a month for his kidneys to recover from the iodine (dye) they inject to visualize the arteries, and to otherwise recover his strength and heal. He's home now and bouncing back much more quickly than he did from the initial bypass surgery. I've been preparing his meals and making sure he gets his various meds, though at the rate he's improving I expect him to take over much of this relatively soon. He saw his surgeon today and got good marks for the healing of his incisions. They are giving him much less pain and discomfort, thankfully. Now, how can he actually clean out his arteries and prevent a recurrence of this nonsense? He's been using the Pauling protocol for several years, and though it maybe slowed things down, it certainly didn't fix it all. Again, thank you everyone. That procedure had to go well or things could have gone downhill rapidly. It was comforting to know you were with us. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSezary Disease
An acquaintance his been diagnosed with a rare disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sézary's_disease If anyone has information about treatments that offer a better prognosis than the standard five years, please advise. There is reportedly no known cause. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases
The complete protocol of Bob Beck DSci might be of value. It includes EIS, blood electrification, ozonated water, and magnetic pulsing. At least one member on this list has experience with the complete protocol. A company called SOTA Instruments, based in Canda, sells the needed equipment and has been in business for a long time. (They make no health claims, which is how they have managed to stay in business.) On 2011/04/14, at 8:18, Carlos Pérez wrote: Hello, Bob and other friends interested in my post. About 10 years ago, I contracted Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis through infected ticks from German Shepherd dogs in a goat farm we had. The doctor I went to at the top of the acute stage of the diseases, diagnosed me measles and neumonitis and prescribed all kinds of medicines except Doxicyclin or Oxytetratracyclin. As a consequence, I almost died, and in my extreme need to find a solution, I happened to find a veterinarian who was treating human Ehrlichiosis. He was part of a group also integrated by two ladies, one of them a Bioanalist and the other one a Medical Doctor. The Bioanalist made several tests and diagnosed correctly. Immediately they prescribed Doxicycline and symptoms started improving. Nevetheless, since by then the diseases had become chronic, after several months they relapsed with the accompanying extreme fatigue, mental confusion, vertigo, an many common symptoms. I tried different other antibiotics with the same relapsing results. Finally, I was lucky to find this list and, with the help of many of the members, I learned very much about EIS/CS, also learned how to make my own generator, and after a brief period of time I could make a very good quality product. After beginning its use, the improvements in my condition were evident. In a short time I was consuming around 700-800 ml/day, in small quantities at a time (20-25 small sips/day) of a concentration of around 16 ppm. After all symptoms had disappeared, y came to a maintenance doses of around 350 ml/day, about 12 ppm, and after around a year I stopped using EIS/CS. I was for around 6 years totally free of symptoms. About 2 months ago, after being overworked and without enough rest for many months, my immune system was weakened and I got the symptoms again. I immediately began my treatment, going in a few days to above 1 lier/day of EIS.. I am convinced that with a good quality product there in no danger whatsoever of argyria. This time the measles-looking rash and the strong itching all over my skin (specially on my chest and forearms) has not yet subsided, to the contrary, it got even worse for a couple of weeks (Herxheimer reaction?) It has been slowly improving. Since in my chronic case the bacteria are probably hiding in almost inaccessible places, and even though they are Rickettsiae and not Borrelia burgdorferi´s Spyroquettes, since the symptoms and the treatments are almost identical, this time I am planning to try in parallel MMS. Any suggestions? Anyone out there with experience treating chronic Rickettsiosis/Ehrlichiosis? Thanks and regards to all. Carlos Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:02:17 -0700 Subject: Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com If it is something inexpensive, aquirable, and absorbable, then I would probably try some. ~David On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:29 PM, bob Larson bobli...@att.net wrote: there's a few folks around here like you're looking for... but please share your interesting results with the list? i know i'd like to read them. From: Carlos Pérez [mailto:explorer...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues. Regards. Carlos
Re: CSRipoff scammers are a plague; re: Beyond-a-Century
I've purchased from BYAC for many years. I've never had any problem or any virus flag. On 2011/03/25, at 6:22, Jim Holmes wrote: Hello Friends, Brooks recommended Beyond-a-Century as a source of good-quality, good-price Cetyl Myristoleate. A search on Google using that string yields the following page: http://www.google.com/search?q=Beyond-a-Centuryie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a Note there are two other similar sites. BeyondACentury, and beyondacentury. The Anti-virus program Kapersky stops me from going to Beyond-a-Century saying it is malicious. (24Mar11, 15:15 MDT). Which one is the real deal? Can anyone else go the Beyond-a-Century without getting a virus flag? Jim
Re: CSProbiotics
Jason, All, Dr. Higa and his colleagues formally recommend EM ingestion only for farm animals. They did for a time offer a very expensive EMX formulation for human medical use. It had no active microorganisms. I don't see it for sale anymore here. I heard about human ingestion of EM from the wife of a retired biology professor from a local university. She told me that many people in Japan drink EM for health. I think it's safe and beneficial, but would advise anyone interested in experimenting to do so at their own risk, with full understanding that EM professionals do not advocate this use or claim medical benefits. They are understandably careful about this. An American man named Vinny Pinto has (or at least had) very useful Internet pages explaining home brewing of EM extension, as it's called. It's very easy to do, isn't terribly temperature sensitive, and results in a very long-lasting product.I've had some for five years and it seems OK. As long as one squeezes out air from the PET bottle (the two-liter size works well), the balance of microorganisms seems quite stable. Pinto has for sale a kind of recipe book for EM manufacture. I don't own it, but my hunch is it's well worth having. Regarding cost: from a one liter bottle of new EM (about twenty dollars), one can make, if memory serves me, about twenty liters of EM extension. I don't think an individual would consume more than that in a year. An interesting aside: EM eats rust. You can use it on rusted metal things and it cleans them up nicely.The primary use, however, is in agriculture, so those interested in growing organic food will also be interested. One last item: Dr. Higa has written two volumes of a book called Earth Saving Revolution, available in a first-rate English translation. It's one of the most interesting works I've ever read. On 2011/03/16, at 0:04, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Steve: I'm always playing around with various probies. Sometimes, one must consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs. I'm NOT an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research. Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive the digestive tract. These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done. The first of the big guns I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense. These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive system. These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's. However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered. http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims. THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria, Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began containing oxygen. Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM. Ongoing research continues: http://emrojapan.com/ ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics. That said, in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines. Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will compete with whatever else is in the colon. When the state of the colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior. So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your supplementation. I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive disorders. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message
Re: CS[List Owner] A few things...To Mike
I've recently asked a good friend to write a full report about his wife's
experience with the Budwig Diet, but here's a summary:
About two years ago she (middle-aged) was diagnosed with stage four metastatic
colon cancer. The worst of the tumor was surgically excised, but she kept her
colon. She was advised by MDs to take chemotherapy and radiation, and had a
chemo shunt installed.
Her husband recalled my mention of the Budwig Diet some time previous (I think
I'd learned about it from this list, btw.) He discussed that with his wife,
and they decided to try that rather than the prescribed therapy, which, had she
taken it, would have given her only six months to a year to live, according to
the MDs.
To make a long story short, she combined the Budwig flaxseed/cottage cheese
regimen with an overall healthy diet (macrobiotic? I don't know the details)
and two years later is in good health, with no markers of cancer whatsoever.
Incidentally, flaxseed oil is nearly impossible to find in Japan -- no one
has heard of it. He gets it via iHerb.com, which has low-cost shipping
worldwide.
All the details would be good to know and maybe in time my friend and his wife
will write everything down.
Budwig claimed cures for even late-stage cancer for nearly everyone who adhered
to the protocol.There's very good reason to hope for success.
On 2011/01/28, at 9:32, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Oh Lois -- wishing you the best in your recovery from this. Sending prayers
and white light. Please keep us posted, OK?
MA
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 11:01:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] A few things...To Mike
Mike, every time I read one of your posts like this it reminds me of what a
treasure you are how thankful I am to you for having this list... It has
helped so many people... Now I find , { this last week, } I have ovarian
cancer will possibly, {after a second opinion at Roswel cancer center in
Buffalo, } be trying the Budwig protocol which calls for the use of CS.
once again a big Thanks !!! Lois
Re: CSRadiation Hormesis for Lyme
I'm completely agnostic -- or rather, ignorant -- about therapeutic uses of radon, though I have repeatedly read that radon accumulation in residences is clearly associated with cancer.Interestingly, though, I've seen several onsen hot-spring baths in Japan that promote their radon pools. There's a dipper for those who wish to drink the stuff. Of course, many claims are made for the rejuvenating benefits of onsen, which are often filled with shriveled oldsters -- of whom Japan now has the largest percentage, it seems. On 2011/01/13, at 5:14, Smitty wrote: If you have Lyme and want to consider this but are afraid to jump in, then first buy the book Because People Are Dying and learn the truth, particularly about how the EPA has known the truth about the GOOD health effects of radon for many years and have hidden that truth. You'll find that around page 40 of the book. Honestly, I never even read it any farther. Right then, when I read that, I put the book down and got to work.
Re: CSGatorade substitute
Here's hoping Mr. Harris is well. He's been off the list for quite some time. On 2011/01/03, at 11:46, Rowena wrote: Back to ancient history - Richard Harris way back told us about Gatorade; over time discussion took us through objections to some ingredients in Gatorade and presented an alternative. Can anyone tell me what the alternative was? Thanks Rowena May you all experience good in 2011
Re: CSFOUND: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter, Science Digest March 1978
I'd also appreciate one. On 2010/12/14, at 12:07, aKa Jhon wrote: Nenah, Please add me to your list ... Thanks for your help.. majyo...@yahoo.com FOUND: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter, Science Digest March 1978 My librarian friend secured a scan of the original for me of “Our Mightiest Germ Fighter” from Science Digest, March 1978. If anyone wants a copy as a pdf file, email me and I’ll send it to you. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) www.nenahsylver.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3314 - Release Date: 12/13/10
Re: CSBlack Salve skin cancer cure
altcancer.com works from outside the USA. http://herbhealers.com/ works in the USA, or so I am told. On 2010/12/05, at 1:50, Renee wrote: I think that site is gone now. When you put in alphaomega labs all you get is a crummy, empty page, with a search box. They are hardly selling anything here in the US now. I had bought dragon's blood from them, and was going to send someone else there to buy some--but thought I'd better check. Yep--gone. It's a shame what the FDA has done to them. If you didn't get that info while you had the chance, it's too late now. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- The site in ecuador that sells cansema also gives the recipe, or used to. they also sell lugol's iodine, at the same time give the recipe for making your own from elemental iodine and potassium iodide which are both cheap on ebay.
Re: CSBlack Salve skin cancer cure
Recipes: The news about Greg Caton is not up to date, but the recipes may be useful to some. http://www.eregimens.com/regimens/CancerSkin.htm On 2010/12/06, at 12:59, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: altcancer.com works from outside the USA. http://herbhealers.com/ works in the USA, or so I am told. On 2010/12/05, at 1:50, Renee wrote: I think that site is gone now. When you put in alphaomega labs all you get is a crummy, empty page, with a search box. They are hardly selling anything here in the US now. I had bought dragon's blood from them, and was going to send someone else there to buy some--but thought I'd better check. Yep--gone. It's a shame what the FDA has done to them. If you didn't get that info while you had the chance, it's too late now. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- The site in ecuador that sells cansema also gives the recipe, or used to. they also sell lugol's iodine, at the same time give the recipe for making your own from elemental iodine and potassium iodide which are both cheap on ebay.
Re: CScs vs mms?
I was told by one manufacturer of ozonated water devices that this water actually has a very high ORP. As it floods the body with oxygen, this is very counterintuitive, much like lemon water being an alkalizer. I don't have the background in chemistry to understand how this can be true, but I believe the information is factual and verifiable (or at least falsifiable) quite easily with an ORP meter. If this is correct, ozonated water might have a deadly effect on anaerobic pathogens while not causing oxidative stress. I'm keen to try the product someday. On 2010/11/24, at 4:06, David AuBuchon wrote: I know someone who just got IV MMS (not activated). He felt really run down for a few days aftwerword. I wonder if MMS is really safe. Humble says it does not affect healthy tissues, and says it is a weak oxidizer. I wonder if someone knows about calculating oxidation potential or whatever it is called, and comparing it to other substances? Ozone therapy appears to be harmless for example, but it probably has very few actual number of free radicals compared to taking MMS. ~Davud On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, bob Larson bobl...@cablespeed.com wrote: here's the highlights of my personal experience as well as observations of others (on MMS CS lists over time) with both. if CS works for you, forget MMS. MMS is harsh on the body... it is a powerful oxidizer and while it kills pathogens it also depletes antioxidants, so heavy antioxidant supplementation is needed after not long. MMS reacts with whatever it contacts that is susceptible to oxidation, including body tissues. MMS is used up rapidly reacting with stuff, and mostly doesn't make it into hard to reach places where pathogens may be, like inside host cells (virus) and is mostly only good at getting to stuff in the blood. MMS over time is hard on the immune system because of depletion of antioxidants. CS, by unknown means seems to enhance the immune system and silver does get into all the cells of the body with long term use. when it gets inside cells it doesn't leave readily, so while it may take the form of silver compounds, those compounds may still be direct pathogen killers. CS appears to have the ability to cause apoptosis of cancer cells. MMS may destroy cancer cells by oxidation, showing initial benefit but as the MMS runs down the immune system the cancer may get the upper hand. MMS may be better for many problems where a short term burst of high kill power is needed against stuff in the blood, and might be good to use in pulses with CS used when the MMS is not. MMS is vile to the taste... CS is not. more, but i have no time to go on and am not an expert. -Original Message- From: Beth [mailto:csilverl...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:32 AM To: silver-list Subject: CScs vs mms? Hi Okay so I have been studying results from CS and MMS. Can someone tell me what the difference is? Is there a different result if I use silver compared to using mms? Or do they both do the same thing? If you have an opinion whether scientific or not, I would like to hear it. Beth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNori for minerals
I once had a student whose family harvested kelp off the island of Kyushu in Japan. It's evidently VERY hard work. Sadly, it's reportedly gotten yet more difficult due to ocean damage from pollution and climate change.I've no idea of the long-term prospects. On 2010/11/16, at 18:49, Tad Winiecki wrote: Thanks for the idea, Melly, Nori does taste better than regular kelp. I actually have a jar of roasted Teriyaki Nori sheets I've been working on finishing off lately. I never thought of toasting it myself. I looked at google about kelp and algae being useful for heavy metal and radioactive detoxification, perhaps I should consider it as a replacement for my colloidal minerals, or at least for a backup if I can't get them someday. That's fascinating about your results with the DMSO. Nancy Melly Bag wrote: Nancy, Nori sheets when toasted a bit (using toaster oven for a minute being careful as it easily burns) tastes better than Kelp. As to DMSO, I had a thrombosis/embolism on top of my foot and it had a very black, walnut-sized bump. I immediately put DMSO with Swedisth bitter, and in five minutes the bump disappeared without spider veins appearing. Rushed myself to hospital out of fear. Doc said if it is in hands or feet, there is nothing to worry about. Just put ice. Melly -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nori for minerals
Actually, the regrettable research takes place mostly in Antarctica I believe. I'm not sure whether it has any significant bearing on kelp harvest around coastal Japan. The whale meat, which I've seen in the grocery, has almost no market; it's baffling that the whalers persist in this, and that the government backs them. The meat itself is full of mercury. Informed people know that it's dangerous to eat. On 2010/11/17, at 16:11, beitharm...@gmail.com wrote: The reason why the kelp cannot be harvested anymore is due to the pollution as you mentioned, but this pollution is primarily the end result of the massive whale slaughters that have taken place in Japan over these many years. The whales would have gladly taken care of any pollution in the area - and the kelp and other friendly flora and fauna would still be there. Joy S -- http://www.wishlistr.com/bluestarkachina/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS: Burma road,why I was so interested
The big problem now in the USA -- has been for some time -- is that effective antibiotics become ineffective because patients don't continue the treatment long enough. This has lead, I've read, to incarceration in some cases. On Friday, Oct 8, 2010, at 11:39 Asia/Tokyo, Harold MacDonald wrote: The reason I was so interested in those books was about Dr. Seagraves treating and curing of TB. MY Aunt S- was in a sanitarium with TB [approx 3 years] and no improvement in sight.Also another aunts' daughter, [my cousin] was in a different Sanitarium with TB. Somebody who knew about this Dr. Seagrave and his treating of TB was able to smuggle the herb he used,Umkaloba [spelling ?] to them,eventually they were discharged as cured. This took place back in the 50s My Aunt S lived to a ripe old age,with a bit of a wheeze . My cousin just passed away a few years ago. The Aunts were sisters. Harold -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSActive Hydrogen vs Negative Hydrogen Ions.
If you are saying that the drinking output of an alkaline water machine is the same at Draino, you are writing nonsense and confusing silver list members. The water separates into an output tube and a waste tube. The water from the waste tube is acidic and is not for human consumption. On Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010, at 19:36 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: Electrolytic Water Generator HOSHIZAKI ELECTRIC CO. LTD. Japanese Appl. 8/309,3 5 7 An electrolytic H,O generator has an electrolyser divided into three cells by a pair of diaphragms; one cell containing a Pt-Ir electrode. Electrolysis is performed between cells 1 and 2 and washing electrolysis between 2 and 3. The generator produces alkali ion H,O and acid H,O by electrolysing ***city*** H,O, *** dilute salt*** H,O, etc. Electrolysis of the electrolysed HzO can be performed efficiently using the Pt-Ir electrode, while effectively removing scale caused by Ca and Mg. http://www.platinummetalsreview.com/pdf/pmr-v41-i3-148-152.pdf Applying current to Dilute Salt results in Sodium Hydroxide [Lye] and Hypochlorous Acid...or Calcium Hydroxide etc, depending on what sorts of minerals are in that ***city*** water Red Devil or Draino is heck of a lot easier and cheaper way to get the same thing. ..and a Zapper DOES the same thing in YOUR bag of salt water...essentially MMS made in vitro, with it's antidote right around the corneror that same Alkyline water with ITs antidote right around the corner. Ode At 06:50 AM 9/29/2010 +0900, you wrote: The latest (and most expensive) alkaline water device from National (Matsushita Denki) in Japan features an ORP readout for each of the pH choices.The highest ORP is around 540 for pH 9.5. On Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010, at 04:19 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote: One element we found to be importantthe Oxygen Reduction Potential (regardless of of source) is of enormous consequenceto the orderly/healthy maintenance of general health parameters. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSActive Hydrogen vs Negative Hydrogen Ions.
The latest (and most expensive) alkaline water device from National (Matsushita Denki) in Japan features an ORP readout for each of the pH choices.The highest ORP is around 540 for pH 9.5. On Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010, at 04:19 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote: One element we found to be importantthe Oxygen Reduction Potential (regardless of of source) is of enormous consequenceto the orderly/healthy maintenance of general health parameters. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
It may that altcancer made a deal with the authorities to keep certain information off the site in order to be able to vend the product. I don't know; it's just speculation. On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 23:34 Asia/Tokyo, Renee wrote: Well, maybe it's banned here in the US, as he's back in prison now. I've tried every which way to get in, and can't. Even on another computer. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Hi Renee, I can access that from here, South Africa. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
This is similar to the current site as accessed from outside the USA. On Thursday, Sep 16, 2010, at 04:52 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: As far as I can tell she is seeing what I am seeing. Just the product page. You can see what their site looked like 2 years ago here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080804114224/http://www.altcancer.com/ And if they are doing anything different outside the US you can often use this trick. Google altcancer.com, then click on the cached copy in the listing. That will be what Google got when they spidered it from the US. Marshall M. G. Devour wrote: That's probably why you and Tony can access the alpha site and we can't. Jon wrote: Japan. Okay, can somebody come up with SIMPLE instructions for us so Renee can try browsing the site using an offshore proxy and see what she's not being allowed to see from inside the US? That'd be a fun experiment and a useful skill for us all to develop. I'd love to hear her report... Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
The salient point is that Cancema is a trade name for a particular product. Centreforce uses that trade name. It's obviously a misleading business practice. The current site makes this perfectly clear: http://health.centreforce.com/health/cansemaorder.html I find this highly objectionable. Many competitors can produce their own remedies and market them under whatever name they wish, but it is wrong to use the trade name of another company. Potter could call his product Centreforce Salve or something else. The salves he sells are not Cancema. That's quite simple. Altcancer.com is beyond honorable in offering refunds to purchasers of falsely labeled Cancema products.Again, if the owner of Centreforce were really determined to be honoroable in his business dealings, he could call his product anything but Cancema. As Greg Caton of altcancer.com has been imprisoned again, he'll not be able to deal with such problems himself.His wife runs the operation on her own for the time being. On Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010, at 16:11 Asia/Tokyo, Rowena wrote: I totally reject the false cansema claim in respect of Centreforce, but thankyou, Jonathan, for your good intent in warning me about the company. In fact, I went to the altcancer site quite some time ago to make a purchase in order to support and honour its founder in his renewed business life, but when I saw what was written there I left the site and decided not to do business there. When he was in prison, who thought he would ever be able to do business again? But some kept the flag flying and produced the black salve. OK, maybe in hindsight using the Cansema name was a mistake, but it was honouring the memory of who and what had gone before, believing that the Cansema empire was destroyed. The fact is that the Centreforce Cansema salve worked, and worked well. When he got out of prison and picked up the business again, he not only complained, he vilified. It was a long time before he withdrew his Centreforce accusations from his website (if he has). In the meantime, Centreforce had been in touch but were ignored, from memory. I wish him well, but I don't want to do business with hotheads. I'm sorry he's hysterical, but it's not my fault and I don't need my blood pressure affected by reading what he has to say and how he says it (or said it, when I visited his site, which I don't propose doing again). I absolutely oppose the naming and shaming of Centreforce in his lists. I had been familiar with the story of Bevan Potter for some years, and why he went into the business of making this salve. I might add that in Queensland when the cockies (farmers) get a skin cancer, they just put cansema on it. They are not specifiying a brand, they are just calling an anti-cancer black salve cansema. Centreforce black salve DOES work. We are witness to that. And Bevan Potter honoured the memory and achievements of the altcancer guy in writing and even in naming the salve. That is just what it was called over there, any such salve with those ingredients. Potter wasn't taking the credit himself. I was as surprised as anyone - and glad, in fact - when this person was let out of jail and went back into business. He may well have had reason to be angry with people he knew who had done him wrong. I question the wisdom of spreading his complaints across the net, but it's his life. But as far as I am aware, he refused for a very, very long time to enter into dialogue with Bevan Potter or remove the accusations he was making. This story of polite letters is not historical as far as I am aware. About any other company, I don't know. I am here to say only that in the case of Centreforce Salve, as produced by Bevan Potter of Queensland, the salve is effective. The intent was honourable, and based on Potter's own life experience and enthusiasm. And I still won't be doing business with the original maker, even though he does offer some things I am very interested in. He blotted his human being copybook too well. I'm sorry for that, but that sort of talk makes me ill, and I don't propose letting flamers do that if I can help it. Rowena On 14/09/2010 7:30 AM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: From Altcancer.com website: Fake Product Compensation Program Announced The success of AO Lab products in the alternative health care community is well-established. (A Google search for Cansema® yields over 9,000 pages . . . it takes several hours just to read our four web pages of customer testimonials connected to Cansema®). There is no success that does not attract opportunistic imitators. The legal attack against AO Labs by the FDA in 2003 attracted several such imitators. Because Cansema® has been in use since we created it in 1991 and we are the holder of the U.S. trademark, we sent polite letters to various violators to cease and desist in using our web pages
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
A quick follow-up: looking more closely at Bevan Potter's page, he claims, in an undated letter, to have decided to do the right thing: http://www.bevanpotter.com/Cansema_abandon.html Good for him, if he follows up. His letter sounds sincere, and IF his products really work, more power to him, and indeed to all who sell effective skin-cancer remedies. He's quite right that the basic formula is essentially in the public domain, though clearly he and Caton alike have set out to earn a living from combining and retailing these ingredients. It would be wonderful if Potter's company is able and willing to gather the extensive testimonials and photographic evidence provided by altcancer.com.The resources on that site are really remarkable. Whatever actions are taken against any retailers, people will be able to make their own salves, fortunately. There are several recipes online, and the retail products list their ingredients on the labels. * Here is the entire letter from B. Potter: Cansema Name Change After more then five years of producing Centreforce Cansema Black Salve, we have decided to abandon the name of “Cansema” in our products. There are several problems for us with the Cansema name embedded in our products, the banning of Cansema by the FDA and Customs in the US, the banning of Cansema by the TGA for Human use In Australia and the freezing of our PayPal account until all buttons with the Cansema name were deleted from our web sites. Other problems came as a surprise when the owners of Alpha Omega Labs, Greg and Cathryn Caton, (after they commenced reproduction of their Cansema products from Ecuador), decided to indulge in slanderous accusations about me and the owner of another web site, (Elaine Hollingsworth), who, like many others, are referring people to us. These insults came because we used the name “Cansema” on our products and information from Alpha Omega Labs on our web site, which was the aftermath of when we were selling their products in Australia. A letter of request would have been enough for us to complete the change which was already under way. The false accusations come as a surprise because many customers were referred to us from the office of Alpha Omega Labs over the period of time that Greg was in Jail, as many of our customers would testify. Because there was nothing being produced by Alpha Omega Labs for about five years and nobody knew if there was going to ever be, many people around the world now use our products and remain loyal to us because of their effectiveness with health problems regardless of the name on the label. However, we all make mistakes, in Greg’s own oracles he has made many grave errors of judgement in his lifetime and this is just another. Regardless of the trivial disagreement of the name on a label, containing a jar of salve, of which the basic formula has been known for centuries, we are pushing the same barrow. The barrow we push in the alternative health world is to expose big pharma, enlighten the public about natural methods of healing and/or provide products which are proven to work. In western countries, this activity comes at the risk of being victimised, jailed and losing everything you own. Being harrased by authoritise is the risk we take but we don't need to give them a hand by publishing trivial labeling disagreements in public. Nevertheless, Greg Caton’s contribution to the health of many people, including my own health and more importantly the contribution to humanity from information on his web site has been enormous and should be visited by everybody who wants to regain their health. Bevan Potter * On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 08:16 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: The salient point is that Cancema is a trade name for a particular product. Centreforce uses that trade name. It's obviously a misleading business practice. The current site makes this perfectly clear: http://health.centreforce.com/health/cansemaorder.html I find this highly objectionable. Many competitors can produce their own remedies and market them under whatever name they wish, but it is wrong to use the trade name of another company. Potter could call his product Centreforce Salve or something else. The salves he sells are not Cancema. That's quite simple. Altcancer.com is beyond honorable in offering refunds to purchasers of falsely labeled Cancema products.Again, if the owner of Centreforce were really determined to be honoroable in his business dealings, he could call his product anything but Cancema. As Greg Caton of altcancer.com has been imprisoned again, he'll not be able to deal with such problems himself.His wife runs the operation on her own for the time being. On Tuesday, Sep 14, 2010, at 16:11 Asia/Tokyo, Rowena wrote: I totally reject the false cansema claim in respect
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
I can access the complete site at altcancer.com Could your access by restricted by your service provider, or somewhere higher up the net? On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 08:49 Asia/Tokyo, Renee wrote: Do you know that www.altcancer.com all that information, is gone? When you type it in, now all you get is the store. Samala, Renee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
Japan. On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 09:22 Asia/Tokyo, Renee wrote: Nope. Every time I type in www.altcancer.com all I get is their product sales page. Wonder why? I've also typed in www.alphaomegalabs.com which also switches me to the product sales page. I cannot access the information site. Are you in the US? Samala, Renee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
You may wish to check with the company, and also contact the Electronic Freedom Frontier if you think the site is being blocked or censored. From the herbhealers.com sitemap I can see and access all the following: Introductory (Primarily for new visitors / those unfamiliar with our work, philosophy, products, etc.) * Welcome _ (AO Labs' purpose / philosophy / focus of our work) * FAQ _ (Frequently Asked Questions) * Suppression of Cancerolytic Herbs _ (Why some of the most amazing herbal discoveries over the last 150 years have been systematically suppressed, and the large body of evidence that supports the claim. Contains references to our patron saint, Dr. Jonathan Hartwell.) * Impossible Dream _ (Why The Cancer Industry Is Committed To Not Finding a Cure, and If They Do Run Across One, Suppressing It!) * Supplement vs. Treatment: A Primer in Product Claims (So is there any difference between a supplement, an adjunct, a treatment, or a cure? There IS, but our response may surprise you.) * Search Engine _ (Search engine to our entire site; just enter keyword - examines all HTML (text) files - contains tips on results page) * Video Gallery _ (Contains access to video files related to company activities: testimonials, movies, interviews, etc. -- much of which is still under construction) * Privacy Policy _ (What measures we take to ensure the privacy of our customers) Communications (How to contact us, includes specialized pages for user communications / your comments) * Email _ (General purpose / say anything you want) * Meditopia® (Written by AO Labs' Founder, Greg Caton, contains a history of Alpha Omega Labs -- plus an extensive history on the discovery, patent filings, and shameful suppression of this highly effective healing modality . . . many suppressed formulas and healing techniques provided . . . and the road we must take, as a species, to keep legitimate, effective healing techniques alive, in a world of Elitists intent on using 'orthodox medicine' as a medium for financially enslaving the general public . . . [trademark filing] ) * Testimonial / Anecdotal Submissions _ (Where users give us their testimonials or anecdotal comments in connection with the use of Alpha Omega products; contains permissions settings, so use this page if for testimonial purposes) * Testimonials _ (Comments from our users. The Cansema testimonial page is the only well developed user comment page. Others are in the middle of construction at this writing. Smaller numbers of user comments can be found on individual product pages (below), but are not yet organized by type. This is very much a work in progress.) o Cansema Human Use. (1997 to Present - dozens of interesting stories from users like you). o Cansema - Veterinarian. o Bloodroot Paste - (in progress) * The Ashwin - (Our Monthly Zine - See current and back issues.) * Chat Room (A small room where visitors can talk to each other, and to members of our staff when they are online. Hours are posted as to when the next session will be held - moderated either by a guest practitioner or one of our own staffers. From Sept., 2003 to May 9, 2009, this page was inoperable. It has just been reactivated.) The Products (Below, you'll find descriptions on all products we have made for the public. The list includes products made prior to the infamous FDA raid of September, 2003. To see our current product list, visit our store options page. None of our three stores contain customized products we make for the medical community or the products we make in various countries that are only available by prescription. Listings below are alphabetical. Availability: Those product names preceded by an open circle are historic. Those preceded by a solid black dot are currently in stock.) * Agaricus Capsules (ABM) mushroom, extract * Agaricus Drops * Ajo Té * Aloe Vera Acemannan * Andrographis [ in-depth ] * Anorex * Anti-Plague * AO III Toothpaste * AO Chlorite * AO Chima Matiku * AO Bone Builder * AO Heart Drops * AO Natural Suppositories (Suppositories -- made naturally) * AO Oleander Graviola Blend * Apricot Seeds, Blenheim * AquaMarine Life Force * Artemis (Wormwood extracts) * Ayurvedic Formulas * Beta 1-3d Glucan * Bloodroot Paste * Bloodroot Toothpaste * Body Fat Analyzer (Vitalio) * Calendula Ointment * Cansema Black Topical Salve * Cansema Capsules * Cansema Tonic I | Tonic III * CanSupport | Bundles * CanSupport Bundles * CanSupport Capsules * Chickweed Ointment * Choo-choo-wáso * Clean Colon (psyllium) * Co-Q-10 * Coral Calcium * Daibutsu Hi-Protein Soy Jerky * Dewormer, 'Old Amish' * Ellagic Acid (from Meeker Raspberry extract) * Emag+ Experimental Plasma
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
On Wednesday, Sep 15, 2010, at 09:42 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: You may wish to check with the company, and also contact the Electronic Freedom Frontier if you think the site is being blocked or censored. From the herbhealers.com sitemap I can see and access all the following. I am breaking the list into two parts: Introductory (Primarily for new visitors / those unfamiliar with our work, philosophy, products, etc.) * Welcome _ (AO Labs' purpose / philosophy / focus of our work) * FAQ _ (Frequently Asked Questions) * Suppression of Cancerolytic Herbs _ (Why some of the most amazing herbal discoveries over the last 150 years have been systematically suppressed, and the large body of evidence that supports the claim. Contains references to our patron saint, Dr. Jonathan Hartwell.) * Impossible Dream _ (Why The Cancer Industry Is Committed To Not Finding a Cure, and If They Do Run Across One, Suppressing It!) * Supplement vs. Treatment: A Primer in Product Claims (So is there any difference between a supplement, an adjunct, a treatment, or a cure? There IS, but our response may surprise you.) * Search Engine _ (Search engine to our entire site; just enter keyword - examines all HTML (text) files - contains tips on results page) * Video Gallery _ (Contains access to video files related to company activities: testimonials, movies, interviews, etc. -- much of which is still under construction) * Privacy Policy _ (What measures we take to ensure the privacy of our customers) Communications (How to contact us, includes specialized pages for user communications / your comments) * Email _ (General purpose / say anything you want) * Meditopia® (Written by AO Labs' Founder, Greg Caton, contains a history of Alpha Omega Labs -- plus an extensive history on the discovery, patent filings, and shameful suppression of this highly effective healing modality . . . many suppressed formulas and healing techniques provided . . . and the road we must take, as a species, to keep legitimate, effective healing techniques alive, in a world of Elitists intent on using 'orthodox medicine' as a medium for financially enslaving the general public . . . [trademark filing] ) * Testimonial / Anecdotal Submissions _ (Where users give us their testimonials or anecdotal comments in connection with the use of Alpha Omega products; contains permissions settings, so use this page if for testimonial purposes) * Testimonials _ (Comments from our users. The Cansema testimonial page is the only well developed user comment page. Others are in the middle of construction at this writing. Smaller numbers of user comments can be found on individual product pages (below), but are not yet organized by type. This is very much a work in progress.) o Cansema Human Use. (1997 to Present - dozens of interesting stories from users like you). o Cansema - Veterinarian. o Bloodroot Paste - (in progress) * The Ashwin - (Our Monthly Zine - See current and back issues.) * Chat Room (A small room where visitors can talk to each other, and to members of our staff when they are online. Hours are posted as to when the next session will be held - moderated either by a guest practitioner or one of our own staffers. From Sept., 2003 to May 9, 2009, this page was inoperable. It has just been reactivated.) The Products (Below, you'll find descriptions on all products we have made for the public. The list includes products made prior to the infamous FDA raid of September, 2003. To see our current product list, visit our store options page. None of our three stores contain customized products we make for the medical community or the products we make in various countries that are only available by prescription. Listings below are alphabetical. Availability: Those product names preceded by an open circle are historic. Those preceded by a solid black dot are currently in stock.) * Agaricus Capsules (ABM) mushroom, extract * Agaricus Drops * Ajo Té * Aloe Vera Acemannan * Andrographis [ in-depth ] * Anorex * Anti-Plague * AO III Toothpaste * AO Chlorite * AO Chima Matiku * AO Bone Builder * AO Heart Drops * AO Natural Suppositories (Suppositories -- made naturally) * AO Oleander Graviola Blend * Apricot Seeds, Blenheim * AquaMarine Life Force * Artemis (Wormwood extracts) * Ayurvedic Formulas * Beta 1-3d Glucan * Bloodroot Paste * Bloodroot Toothpaste * Body Fat Analyzer (Vitalio) * Calendula Ointment * Cansema Black Topical Salve * Cansema Capsules * Cansema Tonic I | Tonic III * CanSupport | Bundles * CanSupport Bundles * CanSupport Capsules * Chickweed Ointment * Choo-choo-wáso * Clean Colon (psyllium) * Co-Q-10 * Coral Calcium * Daibutsu Hi-Protein
Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
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Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
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Re: CShelp needed Skin cancer - black salve or chickweed
From Altcancer.com website: Fake Product Compensation Program Announced The success of AO Lab products in the alternative health care community is well-established. (A Google search for Cansema® yields over 9,000 pages . . . it takes several hours just to read our four web pages of customer testimonials connected to Cansema®). There is no success that does not attract opportunistic imitators. The legal attack against AO Labs by the FDA in 2003 attracted several such imitators. Because Cansema® has been in use since we created it in 1991 and we are the holder of the U.S. trademark, we sent polite letters to various violators to cease and desist in using our web pages, copyrighted material, and trademarks. Our pleas have been ignored. The most serious aspect of these violations is that the imitations don't work as well, if they work at all. They are not the original product. For a period of four years, we attempted to work with the FDA to put a stop to the fraud. We even sent them a small sampling of the hundreds of complaint letters we received. They did nothing. Because of the adulteration and misbranding involved in the McAdams operation -- whose primary sites are Bloodroot Products.com and RisingSun Health.com -- we can only assume that this is an FDA renegade operation is to permit, foster, and protect illegal product. By working less effectively, they will hopefully convince people that alternatives are inferior to mainstream pharmaceuticals. This would make perfectly good sense and is consistent with their overall modus operandi, as documented in numerous books by Lynne McTaggart, Leonard Horowitz, John Abramson, Joseph Mercola, John Morgenthaler -- to name just a few. Please see our Compensation for Fake Product page if you have purchased product from the following or any other companies illegally using our trademarks, Cansema®, CanSupport (TM), Alpha Omega Labs (TM), or our domain names: altcancer.com (TM), herbhealers.com (TM), or alphaomegalabs.com (TM). BloodrootProducts.com RisingSunProducts.com AltCancerCream.com Jennifer Wilson (Australia) George S. Ackerson (FDA informant) Health.Centreforce.com On Monday, Sep 13, 2010, at 15:43 Asia/Tokyo, Rowena wrote: Presumably this was squamous cell? Anyway, we treated successfully with a black salve now called Centreforce from Queensland, but same ingredients as Cansema, and called cansema at the time. Lasts for years, and if anything appears again, can be treated again very easily. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy first post
I recall reading that silver nitrate is deadly. Wikpedia makes no mention of IV use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_nitrate The reaction may be a toxic reaction, not a herxheimer reaction. On Thursday, Aug 26, 2010, at 12:02 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round three is this friday! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy first post
Does an MD administer this therapy? Is there any published data about it? In a newspaper here in Japan some years ago, a patient died after, as the article described it, a needle made of (or containing?) silver nitrate broke off during treatment. Admittedly, the article was so brief and sketchy that I could not understand what was being done by the MD. I did, however, inquire about it here on this list, and was told by some of the experts that silver nitrate is deadly. Hence my message.Caveat lector. Any data about the treatment would be useful to list members. Thanks in advance. On Saturday, Aug 28, 2010, at 11:01 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: Just had treatment # 3 today. All three times definitely herx. I got some visible improvement in the pink tissue in my mouth and also down there from the first treatment. The first treatment gave me identical to the flu symptoms. 102.1 fever, chills, etc. The next two herxes were very mild and familiar herx symptoms for me. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I recall reading that silver nitrate is deadly. Wikpedia makes no mention of IV use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_nitrate The reaction may be a toxic reaction, not a herxheimer reaction. On Thursday, Aug 26, 2010, at 12:02 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round three is this friday! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy first post
Thanks for the information. I'm sure list members would appreciate any links you find in future. On Saturday, Aug 28, 2010, at 11:30 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote: It is supposedly particles of silver nitrate 5 to 10 nanometers in size. I don't know anything about PPM. It is a solid brown colored liquid. I received 15cc's, then 10 cc's, and today another 15 cc's. I know he is willing to at least go to 25 cc's. My doc I know 1.5 years ago specifically mentioned in an article that people who were using IV silver for lyme and co concerned him. Yet as of about 6 weeks ago he started doing it. He probably watched it for long enough and decided it was safe enough to try. ~David In a newspaper here in Japan some years ago, a patient died after, as the article described it, a needle made of (or containing?) silver nitrate broke off during treatment. Admittedly, the article was so brief and sketchy that I could not understand what was being done by the MD. I did, however, inquire about it here on this list, and was told by some of the experts that silver nitrate is deadly. Hence my message. Caveat lector. Any data about the treatment would be useful to list members. Thanks in advance. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
Tooth regeneration is probably not too far in the future. . . . I think titanium is the standard implant these days. On Monday, Aug 23, 2010, at 09:01 Asia/Tokyo, carolG wrote: Kind of safe implants Questions to ask dentist What materials are good vs. bad for implants? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNOMA
List, I read about an affliction called NOMA for the first time today. It's horrendous. See http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/siv-oneall/30800/noma-the-face-of- poverty I wonder whether EIS would help the poor people afflicted with this deadly disease. A company called SOTA Instruments made, some years ago, a simple 9V device, but discontinued it. There was bulk pricing for sale in developing countries, but the device was still too costly for widespread distribution. A very cheap device that would make serviceable silver salts in any water -- even contaminated water -- might be a Godsend to NOMA victims. One with an unbreakable solar cell power source instead of a battery would be ideal. Maybe Humble's MMS is another possible treatment, but I have very limited knowledge of it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJane Bergermeister Case
It's an extremely important case dealing with a wide range of issues -- medical, legal, journalistic, and more. Thanks for informing the list. On Friday, Aug 13, 2010, at 03:30 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: There will be a collective prayer for her shortly: http://sbeckow.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/judge-in-jane-burgermeisters- case-refuses-to-make-decision-without-further-study-this-is-good-news/ #more-13610 Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJane Bergermeister Case
One caveat: there are other, better sources of information about the case. The link provided below includes some articles and essays that no sensible person would even dignify with a description let alone a rebuttal.I'll say no more. In contrast, I've found OpEd News to be a useful source of information. Here's some coverage of the case on that site: http://www.opednews.com/articles/URGENT-Activist-Jane-Burg-by-Rebecca- Em-Campbel-100731-385.html There may be some other useful sources as well, uncontaminated by speculative and improbable ideas. On Friday, Aug 13, 2010, at 13:34 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: It's an extremely important case dealing with a wide range of issues -- medical, legal, journalistic, and more. Thanks for informing the list. On Friday, Aug 13, 2010, at 03:30 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: There will be a collective prayer for her shortly: http://sbeckow.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/judge-in-jane-burgermeisters- case-refuses-to-make-decision-without-further-study-this-is-good- news/#more-13610 Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMs cure (UNCLASSIFIED)
Please note that it's very quickly gotten into the mainstream media that vitamin D may completely prevent MS. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5672308.ece From all I've read to date, the evidence for this is very strong. On Tuesday, Jul 20, 2010, at 05:58 Asia/Tokyo, Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC wrote: Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Some Doctor overseas I think developed a MS cure on idea that MS was caused by constriction on blood vessels in brain and Iron deposits. Developed cure for his Wife if I remember right. I some of this a time back misplaced the original one but others are test it also. Found the article Here it is with several others on subject. I was very interested because I lost a Sister to MS. If short cut does not come through look up, ends up it was an Italian Doctor. Doctor cures wife of MS http://www.gizmag.com/ccsvi-multiple-sclerosis-ms-cure-zamboni/13447/ http://www.everydayhealth.com/blog/trevis-life-with-multiple- sclerosis-ms/a- controversial-new-cure-for-multiple-sclerosis/ -http://singularityhub.com/2010/03/22/cure-for-multiple-sclerosis- verified-i n-latest-research-trials-coming-soon/ Bob http://www.academicjournals.org/sre/abstracts/abstracts/abstracts2007/ Au g/Iroha%20et%20al.htm Antibacterial efficacy of colloidal silver alone and in combination with other antibiotics on isolates from wound Infections A total of ten clinical bacterial isolates comprising five isolates of Escherichia coli isolated from surgical wound patients at the Federal Medical Centre, Abakaliki and five isolates of Staphylococcus aureus isolated from the wound sites of burnt patients at the University of Nigeria Teaching Hospital, Enugu were evaluated for their susceptibility to colloidal silver at 5 and 20 ppm using agar dilution method and the killing rate technique. Also, interaction studies between colloidal silver and some conventional antibiotics were carried out against the clinical isolates of Escherichia coli and S. aureus using disc diffusion technique. The result of the study shows that the test organisms were sensitive to the colloidal silver at both concentrations and also to some of the antibiotics in the paper disc. The killing rate studies revealed that the colloidal silver is highly bactericidal against the test isolates at both concentrations. The drug interaction study showed no antagonism, indicating that concomitant use of colloidal silver with these antibiotics may not affect the therapeutic efficacy of either of these agents. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE smime.p7s
Re: CSPRILL BEAD QUESTIONS
Agreed: similar results by various sensitives would be useful and lend support to the claims. But for on topic discussion, there is a patented, peer-reviewed method of applied neurological kinesiology that provides very useful results of very subtle phenomenon -- Dr. Y. Omura's bi-digital o-ring test. When I followed up the Bovis link, I was hoping it might be something similar.Hence my reply. I won't follow this thread off topic, so I'll sign off on this topic here. On Wednesday, Jun 16, 2010, at 15:52 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: Bodhi writes: Bovis is a measurement of spiritual energy, life energy of anything. Jonathan counters: With respect, this is not a bona fide measurement by any objective standard.The measurement is whatever the dowser or sensitive says it is.It would be nice if there were some objective way of measuring the claimed force. Reasonable point, Jonathan... However, not impossible to test for, I think? If several dowsers or sensitives give the same number (within a tolerable margin of error) for some unknown object held by a disinterested third party, you would have to wonder whether they're on to something, would you not? If we follow up on this subject, it would be best done on the Off Topic list, please. Be well, Mike D. participant and list owner guy... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPRILL BEAD QUESTIONS
With respect, this is not a bona fide measurement by any objective standard.The measurement is whatever the dowser or sensitive says it is.It would be nice if there were some objective way of measuring the claimed force. On Wednesday, Jun 16, 2010, at 11:53 Asia/Tokyo, bodhisattva wrote: Bovis is a measurement of spiritual energy, life energy of anything. It was developed in the 1920's by a French Doctor and Physicist. http://www.perfectwaters.net/Bovis-Scale.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAuto-Immune Hepatitis
Thanks to you and all you have replied and are replying. I'll check on each idea and forward them to my friend. I'll just reply once with thanks to everyone. Much obliged. On Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010, at 10:00 Asia/Tokyo, Peter Converse wrote: Hi Jonathan, You might want to check into the work of Dr. Berkson who has helped people in similar shape with high doses of milk thistle, ALA and a third ingredient which escapes me right now...maybe selenium. He helped liver transplant candidates become free of their condition and their need for transplants. Peter - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: CSAuto-Immune Hepatitis List, From a friend: My apologies for the mass mailing; I’m writing in the hope that you might be able give me some information. My mother-in-law is ill with a terminal liver disease (a rare form of hepatitis known as auto-immune hepatitis.) We have been to the top hospital here in Fukuoka, and she has been told that she would have an excellent prognosis only if she can get a liver transplant. As there is absolutely no system of organ donations in Japan, my wife was willing to be a live organ donor to her mother. However, after my wife underwent testing, she was informed that she was ineligible to be a live donor; her own liver, while perfectly fine, was adjudged to be less than satisfactory for a transplant. I wonder whether anyone has first-rate information on alternatives to transplant. Thanks in advance. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAuto-Immune Hepatitis
List, From a friend: My apologies for the mass mailing; I’m writing in the hope that you might be able give me some information. My mother-in-law is ill with a terminal liver disease (a rare form of hepatitis known as auto-immune hepatitis.) We have been to the top hospital here in Fukuoka, and she has been told that she would have an excellent prognosis only if she can get a liver transplant. As there is absolutely no system of organ donations in Japan, my wife was willing to be a live organ donor to her mother. However, after my wife underwent testing, she was informed that she was ineligible to be a live donor; her own liver, while perfectly fine, was adjudged to be less than satisfactory for a transplant. I wonder whether anyone has first-rate information on alternatives to transplant. Thanks in advance. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve
The camphor tree is a magnificent plant.One I see often is certainly well over a thousand years old, and one cannot help but imagine the generations that have looked on it. Here's some information about the tree. http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fe19991208gt.html I know nothing about the oil extraction. One can buy expensive furniture made of the wood; the smell is lovely. On Thursday, Jun 10, 2010, at 11:47 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: There used to be a camphor factory outside of Bareilly near where I lived in India for a tijme. When we would drive through the area, you could smell the camphor for about a mile along the road. Heavenly... Dan On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote: Careful some of those are synthetic camphor. Unless it says Pure Camphor it's usually synthetic, and I know for a fact DEER and the other chinese ones are synthetic, I know a wholesaler of them. In fact, many wholesalers sell synthetic unless you ASK for pure, because pure costs more. I have pure camphor oil 100%, from an essential oil seller, that's probably the best way to purchase it. I like the blocks for the closet though, to keep the spooks out. Norton, Steve wrote: I haven’t seen the edible camphor for sale online except from a place in Thailand. I got mine at a local Indian grocery. However, you can get the incense from a lot of places: http://www.google.com/ products?hl=enresnum=1q=camphor+puja+priceum=1ie=UTF- 8ei=N6oGTKzxFo_4Mf2jpJ8Jsa=Xoi=product_result_groupct=titleresnum =11ved=0CE0QrQQwCg http://www.google.com/ products?q=Camphor+Tablets+pricehl=enum=1ie=UTF- 8ei=m6sGTM_oBpDiNeypza0Jsa=Xoi=product_result_groupct=titleresnum =3ved=0CC8QrQQwAg And Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/One-tablets-Camphor-Char-Minar/dp/B002QP90SU http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Camphor-Tablets-1lb-Box/dp/B002JQUHBU/ ref=pd_sim_bt_1 http://www.amazon.com/Charminar-Camphor-Tablets-packets-tablets/dp/ B003EIL2T8/ref=pd_sbs_bt_6 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBENEFICIAL AND EFFECTIVE MICROORGANISMS: Comment
The English translations of Higa's books, Earth Saving Revolution, two volumes, are among the best science writing I've ever encountered. Completely accessible to the layman without condescension, Higa's books are inspiring and profound.Even those who never dabble with EM will be impressed, I think. BTW, for hands-on machinists and tinkering folks, EM has a very powerful anti-oxidant property: it eats rust without dangerous chemicals.It's just astounding what this stuff can do.I've been de-rusting an old iron tea brazier, with brilliant results. I think a person could take a completely ruined metal machine and bring it back to life. I think Vinny Pinto has information about that on his site. On Wednesday, Jun 9, 2010, at 03:36 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote: Here is some useful information relating to the origin and applications for EM products. Dr. Higa has performed EXCELLENT research in this field. We have evaluated, and used, this substance in our botanical research.for many years---and many uses..always with SPLENDID results. The small company which offered the patented product elements.has been sold to a larger oneand now, the company has, recently, been sold again. I believe the name of the present owner may be found at Http:// www.emearth.com If not, just Google for it. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://www.agriton.nl/higa.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBENEFICIAL AND EFFECTIVE MICROORGANISMS: Comment
Where are you, Sharlene San? On Wednesday, Jun 9, 2010, at 05:42 Asia/Tokyo, Shar wrote: In the late 90's, Dr. Higa/EM established an office of information here in our city. I went there purchased his book (interesting story of its development and his angle on beneficial bacteria thereby avoiding toxic chemicals in agriculture) and for products I went to a small seed store where they had arranged to retail his products. The EM was mixed with molasses when needed to activate and would the mixture/batch would be good for a few weeks, if I recalled. Our zoo was using in its compost pile mixed with animal waste to reduce the smell in their area. At least one hotel was using it in their huge pond where exotic birds swam to keep the water clean. Of course, it was being used by small organic farmers abd getting great results. The representative used it on his glasses to clean the lens. Because of its high antioxidant content people were drinking it diluted for health, although that was off the record, as told to me by the seed company. They, then, got into trouble, I believe, with the FDA who claimed their labeling was incorrect and it wasn't about their product but compliance with US laws on other issues. Now I see them in stores with plastic bottles and know why, thanks to Mr. Bradley reporting that another company has bought them out. Sharlene On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com wrote: Here is some useful information relating to the origin and applications for EM products. Dr. Higa has performed EXCELLENT research in this field. We have evaluated, and used, this substance in our botanical research.for many years---and many uses..always with SPLENDID results. The small company which offered the patented product elements.has been sold to a larger oneand now, the company has, recently, been sold again. I believe the name of the present owner may be found at Http:// www.emearth.com If not, just Google for it. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://www.agriton.nl/higa.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGoogle Launches Encrypted Search and also Encrypted Gmail Option
Unless the company is set up and administered by an intelligence agency. Who would know? A free encryption company called Pretty Good Privacy was highly promoted some years ago, with many corporate news items and pictures of the long-haired guys who supposedly created PGP. Who knows who they really are, or how the software really works? One in ten million, maybe. On Tuesday, May 25, 2010, at 22:49 Asia/Tokyo, bodhisattva wrote: I would never trust google.. I've used an encrypted search engine for YEARS... The only one I trust that actually keeps no data, at all. https://www.ixquick.com/ Norton, Steve wrote: This is a good addition by Google. Maybe Gmail is a better option than before. Although I am not sure how to enable it. Would use of encrypted Gmail affect silver list access? - Steve N http://www.informationweek.com/news/storage/security/ showArticle.jhtml?a rticleID=224900715cid=nl_IW_daily_2010-05-25_h Google Launches Encrypted Search Google search results now come wrapped in a digital lock to keep them from prying eyes. Google on Friday introduced an encrypted version of Google Search, a move that makes it far more difficult for anyone to intercept and read communication between Google and users during search sessions. Encrypted search is available by initiating an https:// connection to Google rather than an unprotected Had Internet users in Europe been using Google's encrypted search, their searches would not have been exposed by Google's recently disclosed inadvertent collection of wireless network traffic from public WiFi hotspots. But Google's introduction of encrypted search isn't in response to that incident, said Google product manager Murali Viswanathan in a phone briefing. It's part of a broad initiative to add encryption to its services. In January, Google enabled https:// connections for Gmail by default, having previously made it an option available to users who wanted extra security. As a consequence of using an https:// connection to reach Google, clicking on a search results link will send less information to the Web site at the end of the link. Encrypted search users will not transmit the search keywords they entered when they submitted their query or the fact that they used Google to find the site at the end of the search results link. This deprives publishers of information that may be useful to their marketing efforts, which may be why Google isn't forcing everyone to use encrypted search. But it provides Google users with more privacy. Adding encryption represents a cost for Google, though Viswanathan was unable to provide data to quantify the expense. It costs Google in terms of computational resources and engineering time. It requires a lot of work from the development side, said Viswanathan. We do realize those extra costs do bring extra benefits to our users. There's also a cost for the user: Encrypted search is slightly slower, through Viswanathan says it shouldn't be noticeable. Encrypted search is not a complete security solution. Data has to be presented to the user in unencrypted form so any person or malware that has access to the user's computer or mobile device may be able to read that information. Encryption does nothing to prevent users from being duped into supplying personal information to phishers. And the encryption only extends to Google Search at the moment; searches on Google Maps or Google Images, for example, will not be encrypted. To prevent users from inadvertently shifting from encrypted to unencrypted search, Google is removing the Maps and Images links from the left-hand menu pane on its search results pages. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUsing pickle jars and virgin glass jars to make colloidal silver ---
I work with some research scientists who use distilled water in glass bottles.I was told that even though all the purity data, pH and so forth are printed on the label, researchers have to verify the information. pH, for example, commonly changes over time, due to leeching from the glass. On Friday, May 21, 2010, at 22:30 Asia/Tokyo, Frank wrote: Dear Ode, Any scientific proof of common household items migrating through glass? Frank -- From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSUsing pickle jars and virgin glass jars to make colloidal silver --- Right. Glass isn't as waterproof as we think it is and just like oil will migrate though cast iron, various things will migrate through glass in either direction. ode At 07:11 PM 5/20/2010 -0400, you wrote: It's not that the glass absorbs ions, but that it releases contaminants that react with ions. Vinegar and ionic silver forms Silver Acetate which is actually more soluble in water than plain silver ions and shouldn't be a big problem, but whatever else that's in Kim Chee could be. Ode Just so I have it right. You nice glass jar is absorbing contaminants from the pickles, olives, spaghetti sauce packed in it Then when the glass jar is washed out with soap and water these contaminants remain in the glass even though you jar looks nice and clean. And these contaminants will go into your colloidal silver water and react with the ions in it. So you get less than optimum results. Is this right? Garrick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPFOA Free Cookware
Odd that on the silver list the possibility of some kind of nano-layer of silver on cookware hasn't come up. Obviously, it's soft and would scratch easily and couldn't take extremely high temps. Obviously it would be relatively expensive. Obviously, heat kills many pathogens, reducing the need for silver as germicide. Not so obvious: would it have any serious merits? On Saturday, May 15, 2010, at 22:22 Asia/Tokyo, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Marshall -- did you dowse for glass cookware? As in Corning Visionware? MA image.tiff From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 11:27:12 AM Subject: Re: CSPFOA Free Cookware OK, this has been discussed into the ground previously. However I did not do any dowsing on it, so here goes for cookware: iron - good stainless steel - not all good, 6061 ok teflon - good, but only if you keep it below 500F aluminum - bad ceramic - good porcelain - good Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Unless you heat teflon up to around 600 degrees F which makes your food into smoking charcoal, it's about as inert to everything as anything gets. You may as well worry about eating silica sand. No more picnics at the beach, ya know. Ode At 03:36 PM 5/13/2010 -0400, you wrote: Hi: Does anybody know if being PFOA free makes this non-stick cookware safe to use: http://www.ecolutionhome.com/pofa.html My wife wants me to evaluate it because it is inexpensive and we currently have no non-stick cookware (use stainless steel with aluminum core instead). I have researched it, but only come up with the fact that their process is water based rather than POFA based, which is supposed to eliminate the main problem with Teflon cookware. Because it is water based they call it Hydrolon (clever, huh?). I assume the non-stick material is still a fluorocarbon solid called PTFE, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene) but I have not been able to verify this (but what else would it be?). If so, that would still be of concern as the material dispersed into your food over time, would it not? Del -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproduct for skin cancers
altcancer.com has a great deal of valuable information. On Friday, May 7, 2010, at 22:27 Asia/Tokyo, PT Ferrance wrote: Hi, I remember some weeks ago a discussion about natural approaches to healing skin cancers. I have a friend whose brother has melanoma and has gone through several western therapies and still has lesions on his arm. I would like to suggest what was discussed here but cannot find the discussion. Specifically I need the name of the product and where to get it. I went looking and found the herbhealers.com store but don't know which of the salves is used or even if these are the salves. Other than the protocol that Tel wrote up is there some place they can read more about how to use the salve? In Tel's protocol she says to use peroxide but didn't say what strength. Tel would you let me know that information? I appreciate any help you can give. It has been pretty resistant and he is now a guinea pig for experimental drugs. Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEmail servers
Details would be welcome on this and other choices that provide some security for communications. Gmail's advertisements linked to users' mail page clearly suggest some kind of information harvesting. On Saturday, May 8, 2010, at 02:35 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: I now send mail through a smtp server in England. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGreg Caton Imprisoned
Altcancer founder Greg Caton was sentenced to two years in prison. His wife communicated this a few minutes ago. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGarlic Essential Oil
Is that widely available? Is there a brand you recommend? On Tuesday, May 4, 2010, at 13:52 Asia/Tokyo, Carol Ann wrote: I have some pure essential oil of garlic. This -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBioEdge Article
This may interest list members. It comes from the BioEdge newsletter, which is excellent: The purpose of the World Medical Association is to serve humanity by endeavoring to achieve the highest international standards in Medical Education, Medical Science, Medical Art and Medical Ethics, and Health Care for all people in the world. High standards, exceedingly high. Unfortunately the president-elect of the WMA, Dr Ketan Desai, has just been arrested and charged with accepting a bribe to accredit a medical college in the Punjab. According to Indian newspapers, Dr Desai, a urologist, was a consummate political operator who had amassed a fortune through corrupt practices. It was through him that private medical colleges were accredited, the number of seats could be increased and annual inspections were held. This is not even the first time that the resourceful Dr Desai has been charged with corruption. Back in 2001, he was removed from his position as the president of the Medical Council of India. However, he clawed his way back and was once again elected as president of the MCI in 2009. It is not for nothing that his personal website describes him as an apostle of genuine imagination, innovation and creativity which has resulted in his enviable ascending to key positions in the world of medicine. In his second term as president of the MCI, Dr Desai was a crusader for medical ethics and banned Indian doctors from accepting gifts from pharmaceutical companies. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAltcancer
One list member recently stated recently that the HerbHealers web site has highjacked the legitimate Altcancer site. This is apparently not correct. I received correspondence from Cathryn Caton, who said that customers outside the USA can access and place orders from altcancer.com. (I verified this.) For various business reasons, customers in the USA must use the HerbHealer site. Ms. Caton said that her husband will be sentenced on May 6, apparently to incarceration for a period of between three months and two years. Persons interested in herbal medicine and health freedom should follow this case closely. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBudwig Diet
List, An anecdote regarding Budwig Diet success: A friend's wife was diagnosed about a year ago with colon cancer, stage two. Further examination revealed stage four metastatic cancer. She had surgery to remove the tumor but not the entire colon. The MDs recommended chemotherapy, but the prognosis was for death in less than one year even with the chemo. I'd told my friend long ago about the Budwig Diet, and he remembered. He and his wife did research and decided on this regimen, rejecting the chemotherapy.They've never been back. More than a year later, she's flourishing, with no apparent health problems whatsoever. She doesn't care at all to know further medical examination would reveal, as she intends to continue with the regimen regardless. This case is in contrast to two others in which the patient passed away right on schedule, one after the full chemo regimen, the other after quitting halfway. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
