Re: CS>Reichspatent 538 028
In a message dated 4/29/2002 10:42:30 AM Central Daylight Time, miss...@prodigy.net.mx writes: > To prevent bacteria from developing in Kombuchka tea as it is brewing, the > container must be covered with a clothe that will allow breathing, but not > allow contaminants to enter the brew jar. > I did this with a coffee filter and a rubber band. The ones I made at home were fine except for one that I knew the mother was an old one because of the discoloration it had when I started. Once in a while a batch would just seem to go bad. Even on the list they had that problem on occasion. When this happens mother and baby need to be thrown out.
Re: CS>Reichspatent 538 028
In a message dated 4/29/2002 4:36:34 AM Central Daylight Time, alltogether...@webtv.net writes: > I had 2 bad experiences with the bottled Kombucha. > Two bottles from differet batches both had a bacteria in them that made > me extremely naseous. > I think there is something about the storage that promotes bacteria. > > I tried the Kombucha about a year ago along with others from work. At first they all thought it was doing good things. One thought her hair was getting thicker although none of us could see it. She also thought her husbands diabettes was getting better. Then after taking it constantly for several years (unsure how many) his blood sugar went high and he was complaining of headaches. They now think he may have a brain tumor but he cancelled the last doctors appointment. Not sure how this one will turn out. We all got our start from him. At this point only one at work is still taking it. The idea is it puts good bacteria back into your system. Doubtful the Kombucha caused it though in my mind. I didn't see any effects from it on me. You need to be big on sterilizing equipment when doing this as we tried making it at work and letting it sit and all we developed at work was some scarey black mold and poured it out. Any kind of mold isn't good and the whole batch needs to be destroyed. I did use a 2 liter bottle of it several times on a shrub I had that had some kind of bugs on it that all the bug sprays for plants wasn't killing. The bugs seem to be dead now and the plant is recuperating finally and looking good. This is the only thing positive I have seen from the Kombucha tea. There is a Kombucha list toomailto:kombu...@topica.com";>kombu...@topica.com They even discuss Colloidal silver on occasion. They even say you can't turn grey from all the modern methods of making silver. LOL K FAQ - http://w3.trib.com/~kombu/FAQ/";>http://w3.trib.com/~kombu/FAQ/
CS>Argyria is showing improvement.
My case of Argyria seems to be slowly improving. One of the girls at work yesterday told me she didn't know what I was doing but to keep it up because I looked like I was coming back to life. I breathed a breath of relief when she said that and smiled and said thank you. She have no idea how much that comment meant to me. I explained my problem to her and what I was doing to try to get over it and how it is supposed to be a permanent condition. At this point all I am taking is Selenium 200MCG, Vitamin E1000IU, Vitamin C 1000mg, MSM, and a multivitamin to make sure I don't deplete all the minerals in my system. Last Sunday and Monday I was eating a lot of Cilantro along with it and on Tuesday I got light headed and dizzy and felt like I could pass out. The fatigue I felt was unreal. So I quit taking anything on Wednesday and finally felt better and started back on the antioxidents and multivitamin without the Cilantro. I am not sure if it was the Cilantro along with the antioxidents or not that did it. Just that I am now feeling better and not having dizzy spells or feeling light headed. I work a very stressful job and on my feet all day. Yesterday was a 15 hour day for me which I did well with no problems. I expected to hear I looked a tad green last night under the sodium lights I work under but there was nothing said. The sodium lights at work sure seem to make my face glow green at night. Hopefully each week will only get better. I did some searching on Argyria and did find some interesting articles http://www.ncahf.org/digest/01-12.html";>Consumer Health Digest, March 19, 2001 Argyria reported in colloidal silver user. A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver. [Gulbranson SH and others. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?db=m&form=6&dopt=r&uid=11107524";>Argyria following the use of dietary supplements containing colloidal silver protein. Cutis 66:373-375, 2000.] Argyria is a condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal organs, and the skin turns ashen-gray. Many cases occurred during the pre-antibiotic era when silver was a common ingredient in nosedrops. When the cause became apparent, doctors stopped recommending their use, and reputable manufacturers stopped producing them. The FDA has banned the use of colloidal silver or silver salts in nonprescription products, but many people are selling them under the pretense that they are "dietary supplements 1: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11937961&dopt=Abstract";>Maitre S, Jaber K, Perrot JL, Guy C, Cambazard F. [Increased serum and urinary levels of silver during treatment with topical silver sulfadiazine] Ann Dermatol Venereol. 2002 Feb;129(2):217-9. French. PMID: 11937961 [PubMed - in process] 2: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11807434&dopt=Abstract";>Robinson-Bostom L, Pomerantz D, Wilkel C, Mader R, Lerner L, Dufresne R, Flotte T. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=11807434";>Related Articles Localized argyria with pseudo-ochronosis. J Am Acad Dermatol. 2002 Feb;46(2):222-7. PMID: 11807434 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 3: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11799662&dopt=Abstract";>Kahn MA.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=11799662";>Related Articles Clinicopathologic correlation quiz: distinct, circumscribed oral pigmentations. J Tenn Dent Assoc. 2001 Fall;81(4):26, 35-7. No abstract available. PMID: 11799662 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11753133&dopt=Abstract";>Biering-Sorensen F. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=11753133";>Related Articles Urinary tract infection in individuals with spinal cord lesion. Curr Opin Urol. 2002 Jan;12(1):45-9. Review. PMID: 11753133 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 5: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11593479&dopt=Abstract";>Newman M, Kolecki P.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=11593479";>Related Articles Argyria in the ED. Am J Emerg Med. 2001 Oct;19(6):525-6. No abstract available. PMID: 11593479 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 6: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11510720&dopt=Abstract";>Thomas K, Sproston AR, Kingsland CR.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=11510720";>Related Articles A case of vaginal a
Re: CS>Altman article
In a message dated 4/23/2002 10:42:49 AM Central Daylight Time, tcj...@yahoo.ca writes: > The following quotations have been attributed to Roger > Altman, which I found too hard to ignore. > > “I estimate that no more than 16 ounces of colloidal > silver, or silver chloride, at a concentration of 5 > ppm should be ingested within 24 hours, or 64 ounces > within 10 days. In addition, the ingestion of > colloidal silver and/or silver chloride should be > stopped for at least 5 days following any period of > heavy consumption to lower the risk of argyria.” > > He estimates this, based on what? He appears to be > operating on the assumption that any kind of silver, > if taken in enough quantity, will cause argyria. In > spite of numerous reports of people ingesting far > greater quantities of CS than he is cautioning about > (up to 1-gallon per day of 10 ppm for years), he is > cautioning at such a conservative level as to be > ridiculous. > > “Selenium binds with heavy metals, including silver.” > > Any references to substantiate this? > > “As the body eliminates these metals, it eliminates > selenium along with them.” > > References, please. Opinion has very little weight > without substantiation. > I think this is where his references came from http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm";>IRIS Summary -- Silver http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm Below is just one example of the studies the U.S. EPA health scientists did on this site __I.A.4. Additional Studies/Comments (Oral RfD) In the study by East et al. (1980) (see section 1.A.2.), one human was found to retain 18% of a single oral dose. However, the authors acknowledge that this high level of retention is not consistent with data published in other laboratories. For ethical reasons, the experiment could be not repeated to determine the validity of the results. Humans are exposed to small amounts of silver from dietary sources. The oral intake of silver from a typical diet has been estimated to range from 27-88 ug/day (Hamilton and Minski, 1972/1973; Kehoe et al., 1940). Tipton et al. (1966) estimated a lesser intake of 10-20 ug/day in two subjects during a 30- day observation period. Over a lifetime, a small but measurable amount of silver is accumulated by individuals having no excessive exposure. Gaul and Staud (1935) estimated that a person aged 50 years would have an average retention of 0.23-0.48 g silver (equivalent to 1-2 g silver arsphenamine). Petering et al. (1991) estimated a much lower body burden of 9 mg over a 50- year period based on estimated intake, absorption, and excretion values; however, it is not clear how the final estimate was calculated. Furchner et al. (1968) studied the absorption and retention of ingested silver (as silver nitrate, amount not specified) in mice, rats, monkeys and dogs. In all four species, very little silver was absorbed from the GI tract. Cumulative excretion ranged from 90 to 99% on the second day after ingestion, with <1% of the dose being retained in <1 week in monkeys, rats and mice. Dogs had a slightly greater retention. The authors used the data from the dog to estimate how much silver ingested by a 70 kg human would be retained. An "equilibrium factor" of 4.4% was determined by integrating from zero to infinity a retention equation which assumes a triphasic elimination pattern for silver with the initial elimination of 90% coming from the dog data. The first elimination half-time of 0.5 days was used "arbitrarily"; subsequent half-times of 3.5 days and 41 days were taken from a metabolic study by Polachek et al. (1960). Furchner et al. (1968) considered their calculated equilibrium factor of 4.4% to be a conservative estimate for the amount of silver which would be retained by a 70 kg human. This figure was rounded to 4% and was used in the dose conversion (i.v. dose converted to oral intake) for the calculation of the RfD. In addition to silver arsphenamine, any silver compound (silver nitrate, silver acetate, argyrol, Neosilvol and Collargol, etc.), at high dose, can cause argyria. Another important factor predisposing to the development of argyria is the exposure of the skin to light. Argyria, the critical effect upon which the RfD for silver is based, occurs at levels of exposure much lower than those levels associated with other effects of silver. Argyrosis, resulting from the deposition of silver in the eye, has also been documented, but generally involves the use of eye drops or make-up containing silver (Greene and Su, 1987). Silver has been found to be deposited in the cornea and the anterior capsule of the lens. The same deposition pattern was seen in the eyes of male Wistar rats following administration of a 0.66% silver nitrate solution to the eyes for 45 days (Rungby, 1986). No toxicological effects were reported. Toxic effects of silver have been reported primarily for the cardiovascular and hepatic systems. O
Re: CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing silver?
Yes, I have that site. Thank you. Someone on the list sent it and I have started it along with eating lots of fresh Cilantro from the grocery store. http://kitchendoctor.com/articles/cilantro.html";>Cilantro - Mercury Toxicity - Oral Chelation - kitchendoctor.com http://kitchendoctor.com/articles/cilantro.html I am happy to say it seems to be getting lighter after just a week. Wish I had believed it a year and a half ago and started some of these things. So much for being an ostrich and putting my head in the sand thinking it would go away on its own and making up excuses. I do believe the Argyria happened because my system was already overloaded with Doxycycline when I started the silver. I had no idea that could effect it until lately. I just hope it continues getting lighter. Thank you again Original Message Subj: Re: CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing silver? Date: 4/21/2002 12:01:19 AM Central Daylight Time From: mailto:cgeo...@fullnet.net";>cgeo...@fullnet.net Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com, mailto:dtmil...@midiowa.net";>dtmil...@midiowa.net Sent from the Internet (Details) Janis, I have only been on the list for about two monthes, and in no way consider myself an expert on CS. But I was reading the book: "COLLOIDAL SILVER: Making the Safest and Most Poswerful Medicine on Earth for the Price of Water", by Mark Metcalf, fourth edition, 2001 ISBN 0-9708664-0-x, and came across these 5 pages which you might be interested in: Argyria Overloading the body's natural eliminative systems with silver causes the body to store some excess silver in the face, which over time can result in a pronounced gray complexion. Argyria is strictly a nontoxic, cosmetic con- dition. However, argyria is quite serious in that it is thought to be permanent, much like a tattoo. A number of factors may put some individuals at much higher risk than others for developing argyria. 1. Environmental Protection Agency documents suggest that people with low vitamin E and selenium levels are more susceptible to argyria. You may want to contact a licensed health care professional to correctly assess your health risk for contracting argyria. 2. Individuals with slower metabolisms are at higher risk for argyria because their natural eliminative systems are working more slowly and can be more easily over- whelmed. Some drugs and medications, such as the antibi- otic doxycycline, can also induce slower metabolic rates. Available information indicates that low vitamin E and selenium levels may increase the risk of argyria by as much as a factor of 5. Therefore, I assume that low vitamin E and selenium levels in conjunction with doxycycline may increase the risk of argyria even more dramatically. If the following ceilings are exceeded, or continued for more than 30 days, I believe some researchers with low vitamin E and 27 selenium levels could be at risk of contracting argyria. I estimate that no more than 16 ounces of colloidal sil- ver, or silver chloride, at a concentration of 5 ppm should be ingested within 24 hours, or 64 ounces within 10 days. In addition, the ingestion of colloidal silver and/or silver chlo- ride should be stopped for at least 5 days following any peri- od of heavy consumption to lower the risk of argyria. Selenium binds with heavy metals, including silver. As the body eliminates these metals, it eliminates selenium along with them. It's logical to assume that anyone who is ingesting colloidal silver or silver chloride on an ongoing basis is slowly but surely eliminating selenium. While many believe it is impossible to contract argyria by ingest- ing colloidal silver, the facts indicate this may not be an absolute truth. Imagine that a man drinks one gallon of 10 ppm colloidal silver every day for a year. Some of that silver will bind with selenium. At first, it may appear that everything is going fine, but once selenium levels have dropped low enough, perhaps in three or four months, a small percentage of silver will be sent to the face for stor- age. As more selenium is depleted, a larger percentage of silver will be routed to the face. (In the most extreme case noted in one EPA study, eighteen percent of all silver ingested by an argyric individual was routed to the face.) The end result is that within a year the condition of argyr- ia could be quite pronounced as a result of ingesting large amounts of colloidal silver. Argyria is normally a gradually incurred condition. It might appear to have a sudden onset if circumstances are just right. For example, an individual stays indoors for a month or two while ingesting large amounts of silver, some of which is deposited in the face. It might not be particu- larly noticeable until the silver becomes darker as a result 28 of being oxidized by strong sunlight. The
Re: CS>Water OZ silver
In a message dated 4/18/2002 4:48:26 PM Central Daylight Time, palulu...@hotmail.com writes: > However they now have a concentrate that > is 400 ppm. You are supposed to use 1/4th the amount. WOW I would certainly be afraid of that one. > > If I took this product and turned grey you can bet I would be on the phone > pitching a fit...in a major way...I am puzzled at your restraint... I will try to give them a call tomorrow. For the last year and a half I have been in denial over most of this till last week when a doctor at the club where I work wanted to look at my eyes and hands. He said he didn't see it in my eyes and nails though.It has taken lots of people to make comments about my color for me to actually admit it and not blame it on something else. Everybody else saw it and I refused to see it. Strange isn't it? Even my daughter would make comments about me having a ash look. Also I can almost see WaterOz trying to sell me something else. I will let you know what they say. > > I have written some of the list members privately to research this issue... > > You would serve others if you would talk to management at Oz. Unless they > are diabolical beings they would benefit from your communication and take > steps to see that it is not repeated... > > I agree with you. I guess the Doxycycline played into it also. I never would have thought of that one. One of the strange things about this is when I get hot and start to sweat thats when I get reports from people I have a blue tint the rest of the time they say its just grey. Seems as though it sort of changes at times. Sometimes its better and sometimes its worse. When I showed one of the girls at work the color difference by putting my hand on my face even she gasped. That seems to be the sure way of seeing it. I am trying to learn to talk about it more and not try to ignore it and pretend its not there. Thats what I have been doing for a long time. I am working on trying to flush my system now with the information on this si te http://www.silverprotects.com/argyria.html";>Argyria plus eating lots of fresh Cilantro. Hopefully in 6 weeks I can report drastic improvements. I am hoping anyway. At times I just wanted to go hide somewhere and didn't want anyone to know how I got this way. Guess I wouldn't make a good researcher huh? Thank you for your help. I do appreciate it. Janis
Re: CS>Water OZ silver
In a message dated 4/18/2002 12:08:33 PM Central Daylight Time, palulu...@hotmail.com writes: > Could you please tell me what the staff at Water Oz said to you personally > when you told them you turned gray? > I have never called them and told them. Actually since I took more than the prescribed amount which on the bottle says (Adults 1 teaspoon daily) I figured they would tell me it was my fault for taking so much. At one time I had a protocal they wrote up for lyme and it seems like it listed more than a teaspoon. It almost seems like it was a 1/4 cup a day along with some other minerals I think. I can't remember for sure what they were. I no longer have the protocal because I was only interested in the silver. On the bottle Ingredients is listed as distilled water and 99.9% pure silver. It says it is suitable for Vegetarian and Hypo-allergenic applications. Also states There are no preservatives or artificial ingredients.
Re: CS>Argyria treatment
In a message dated 4/18/2002 5:43:18 AM Central Daylight Time, i...@win.co.nz writes: > http://www.silverprotects.com/argyria.html > Overloading the body's natural eliminative systems with silver causes the body to store some excess silver in the face, which over time can result in a pronounced gray complexion. Argyria is strictly a nontoxic, cosmetic condition. However, argyria is quite serious in that it is thought to be permanent, much like a tattoo. A number of factors may put some individuals at much higher risk than others for developing argyria. 1. Environmental Protection Agency documents suggest that people with low vitamin E and selenium levels are more susceptible to argyria. You may want to contact a licensed health care professional to correctly assess your health risk for contracting arg yria. 2. Individuals with slower metabolisms are at higher risk for argyria because their natural eliminative systems are working more slowly and can be more easily overwhelmed. Some drugs and medications, such as the antibiotic doxycycline, can also induce s lower metabolic rates. Here is probably part of my problem. When I started taking the silver I had been on approximately 15 months of Doxycycine starting in September of 1996. 100mg 3 times a day. Then for 2 months I took Suprax. Not exactly sure now what the mg was on that. I think it was 500 mg twice a day on Suprax. Its been some time since then and a lot of this whole Lyme nightmare I have tried to forget. I stopped taking all prescription medications after that and started the silver. I am not sure how long the Doxycycline could have any effect though. I would have thought it would be out of my system but maybe not. As far as skin biopsy's I have been thinking on that. Just been hesitant about explaining all this to a doctor when I had so much trouble just getting diagnosed with Lyme back then. I have been told there is a wonderful dermatologist here in town. I just don't want any treatments like what left Rosemary in her condition. That's what scares me the most right now.
Re: CS>Argyria and Beneficial Bugs
In a message dated 4/16/2002 9:10:43 PM Central Daylight Time, liah...@utah-inter.net writes: > Sorry, but the "good" bugs don`t kill the "bad" bugs in an aquarium. The > biological filter works by the bacteria (neither good nor bad) converting > nitrates from fish poo and uneated food into less harmful nitrites. The > cure for it is less fish and more partial water changes. > Nitrogen build-up is the real name for "new tank syndrome". > Marshalee, former aquarist... > Ok I tried to simplify it so everyone would understand a little better. Like I said I wasn't going to go into depth as I considered it off topic. Guess I should have went into depth. Many people don't understand the Nitrates and Nitrogen cycle unless they have had an aquarium and many have had one and wondered why the fish died. LOL Here ya go though Nitrosomonas sp. will develop to naturally oxidize the ammonia into nitrite. This bacteria is an aerobic bacteria meaning that it requires oxygen. A well aerated and circulated aquarium is important. When this first species of bacteria has developed the ammonia levels in the aquarium will drop rapidly as well as fish distress. For a while. Then the Nitrosomonas bacteria is producing nitrite like crazy until the concentration reaches toxic proportion. High nitrites will cause the fish great distress and usually for a much longer period than the ammonia. The nitrites can inhibit the ability of the fish’s body to use oxygen. Just like in the first cycle, the nitrites will become so high that a second species of bacteria will develop Nitrobacter sp. This bacteria is also aerobic. It will oxidize the nitrite molecules into nitrate. Nitrate is relatively harmless to fish. Regular partial water changes and a little algae can keep nitrates under control. So to make it all short CS kills these good bacteria's that break down all this stuff (ammonia from excreted urine or whatever you want to call it and fish Poop as you say) and your aquarium has to start all over in the process. Then in the mean time watch out for diseases that can arise unless your fish are already dead. Time to start all over with the cycling and probably new fish too. Which is very similiar to what happens when we have yeast infections. Its an overgrowth of bacteria that would normally be kept in check with another bacteria (not going to go into all the names here but I am sure someone will) had we not killed it because of an antibiotic or other means. Geez I hate getting technical. Looks like thats what you guys want though and I frankly don't have the time for it. It's not that big a deal to me nor probably half the others on this list. Time to go to bed for me. I have been up way too long now playing these games. Nite Nite
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>Argyria and Beneficial Bugs
In a message dated 4/16/2002 5:38:58 PM Central Daylight Time, so...@dialup.oar.net writes: > Someone gets involved with a manufacturer, and stands to make a > profit. So they espouse the virtues of the products. Then as time > passes, that person has a little falling-out with that manufacturer. > So, they run around trying to bad mouth them. Most probably just > pure fiction on my part, but possible nonetheless. > Ya right. Boy you are way off there. I have the face to prove it and just wanted to know of something to help and let people know it can happen. Anyone can come and view me anytime. Thank god though I do not look as bad as Rosemary. I still haven't figured out why only my face and not the whole body. > Her selectivity in answering questions posed to her makes me quite > suspect. Her outright attack on your, quite valid, statements, as if > she is the ultimate authority, only adds to her lack of credibility. > Yep I feel an authority on greyness now. Been there done that. Have you? Why bother with all the questions when its me paying the price and you just want to discredit me. > Personally, I cannot accept any of her statements as fact until she > sees fit to explain the discrepancies. > I remember thinking the same way you do a few years ago about Rosemary and my friend who claimed to be grey.
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>Argyria and Beneficial Bugs
In a message dated 4/16/2002 8:19:40 PM Central Daylight Time, liah...@utah-inter.net writes: > Be aware that Donna, also a former Silverlister, got gray too after taking > Wateroz. > That stuff ain`t CS, fer sure. > Stick with the home made stuff, folks... > Marshalee > Right on Marsha!!! Like I said earlier I know Donna didn't take as much as I did. It seems like she had only taken it for maybe a month and started talking about people saying she looked grey. It didn't seem that long. I sure thought back then she was just paranoid and imagining it. Boy do I feel bad about not believing her. Guess I deserve what I got huh?
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>Argyria and Beneficial Bugs
In a message dated 4/16/2002 6:40:20 PM Central Daylight Time, sylviehargr...@hotmail.com writes: > Janis still has NOT responded to my previous > posts, in which I directly quote her from posts made in 2000. Using > everyday math, she consumed more than 13 gallons of WaterOz silver. > Going by her statement, made in 2000, she consumed over 7 gallons > (which doesn't jibe with other statements in the same post). Going by > her most recent statements, she only consumed 3 or 4 gallons. The > question I posed was VERY basic. Just how much WaterOz DID she take? > Which statement is accurate? Something must be wrong somewhere with the math. Because I purchased a total of 9 gallons of WaterOz and sold 3 to friends and gave some away and still have 1 partial one left sitting that I have given to friends to topical wounds and warts to see if it would take care of that. For the first few months before the WaterOz I took CS that I made myself. The reason I went with WaterOz is that it was ionic and was suppose to be higher in PPM plus smaller particle size because at that time on this list everyone was discussing how the particle size needed to be small to pass through the blood brain barrier to fight Lyme disease since it gets into the brain, central nervous system, and hides in cells. As far as very exact amounts I took I didn't keep real close account of how much my family took also and what all I did with all of it. I even made some of it into a spray for cuts and scrapes also. I had a bicycle wreck at one point and put WaterOz on my knee which took several weeks to heal too. I can say that my knee finally healed and didn't leave a scar and nope it didn't turn my knee grey either. I was told you guys would do this and I was waiting to see how long it would take before you would blast me and yes I get a little irritated because I remember all the things that I read on this list back then and felt so confident with everything. Now I am paying the price of being so gullible and believing everything and all the safety of it. BTW I don't sit on the computer all day long answering posts. I just got home from work and saw all the posts. I do have a life. Thank god or I would go nuts sitting here listening to all this about my color and what I did. Also I don't think all the posts are getting through because at times I see someone answering a post and I never received the original. In answer to the question on toxicity I never got sick or felt bad on the silver. All my organs check out fine I just have the grey problem to deal with and pray in time it will improve. The reason this is so depressing is I never thought the color thing would happen and I don't remember anyone on the list back then saying they were grey until a friend of mine said she was. I didn't even believe her back then because mine evidently took longer to develop. I know she didn't take near as much WaterOz as I did. I can't say exactly how much she took but I am almost sure it wasn't over a gallon maybe two. I haven't asked her. She was devastated enough to be badgered anymore. She dropped off the internet shortly after that and I feared the worst. Now thanks to being on this list I have gotten to talk to her and she is doing better. She is not on this list though and wont put herself through the cross examination I have so stupidly done. She also took another form of CS that she bought before the WaterOz. She was here once and said you guys blasted her and she said she didn't need that along with her problem. I do understand her reasoning. All I originally came here for was some information on something that might help and never realized I was going to be on trial. I have been able to laugh about it some but its getting harder as I go along. I was dealing with it better I think before I came here. Depression started in yesterday and reached a high today and hopefully tomorrow will be a brighter day.
Re: CS>Argyria, misc posts
In a message dated 4/16/2002 3:46:21 PM Central Daylight Time, tcj...@yahoo.ca writes: > I have a very difficult time believing > someone has argyria from a modest or reasonable > quantity of colloidal silver, even silver compounds > such as Mild Silver Protein. Every other case of > argyria on record describes incidents of argyria as a > result of ingestion or exposure to extremely high > levels of silver compounds or silver dust (such as > with a silver-smith). > Yep blows my mind too. I believed all that 3 years ago too. Boy this makes me feel a lot better. Ooops just went to the mirror and I still have the problem. LOL I have found out something interesting. This grey is only on the face. Those of us that have turned grey can test it by going to a mirror and holding your hand to your face. If your face and hand are close to the same color then you have no argyria but if your face all of a sudden looks slate grey compared to your hand color uh oh. I have that. I just can't figure out why it doesn't effect the whole body and not just the face. Hey if my legs were grey it wouldn't be near as bad as my face. I don't wear gloves either so my hands should be the same color as my face as they are both in the sun. Blows that light and photographic thing. Guess I can go to Afghanistan and join their women. No one will know as long as I keep the veil on. LOL Watch out Taliban. Here comes one mad, pissed off, PMS, grey, American female. LOL
Re: CS>Argyria and Beneficial Bugs
In a message dated 4/16/2002 10:17:46 AM Central Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: > THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD VS BAD bugs! It has more to do with where > they are than what they are. CS does not differentiate between them, but > does differentiate between the different medias, so the intestinal bacteria > are safe. CS does not differentiate between good or bad or medias. Try putting CS in an aquarium which is biologically balanced with good and bad bugs. It kills them all. This will eventually get the fish because the biological balance has been killed. All successful aquariums are run using bioligical balance. That is why if you buy a brand new aquarium set it up and overload it with fish they will all die. There hasn't been enough time for the good bacteria that kills the bad to populate. There is a whole process in this but I don't want to take the time to explain it because I am sure aquarium survival is off topic. Even when I took CS I continued taking acidophulus to help replace the good bacteria that the CS was killing. That is also the same thing that happens when a doctor prescribes an antibiotic. Several days later people get a yeast infection. The good bacteria died that took care of the bad and the bad took over. > But in the description of some of them, it said that dust mites, for one, > actually help our bodies sluff off the dead cells on our skin because they > eat them. Although I don't think I destroyed the bugs you are talking about here or I would have gotten them back by now after a year and a half of not taking CS. Oddest thing I can say about all this is no matter what brand makeup or color you use the grey shows through like no makeup is there at all. Sooo women if you think you can hide it by putting on more makeup think again. It doesn't work. I have been to Dillards and had facials done and the perfect makeup color purchased only to go to work and someone walk up and say "Are you feeling bad today? "You look tired because your a little grey." Ughhh!!! The bosses wife wants to go with me to have a facial. Ha!!! You don't think I know what she is thinking. LOL Everyone thinks I just have the wrong color of makeup or a cheap brand. Estee Lauder isn't a cheap brand. I even have the double wear which is suppose to last longer. LOL Janis Living with my mistakes Don't worry guys shortly I will be off this list because it is starting to depress me badly all the hokey ideas like CS does not differentiate between them, but does differentiate between the different medias, so the intestinal bacteria are safe.
Re: CS>To Janis
In a message dated 4/16/2002 1:48:46 AM Central Daylight Time, n...@shaw.ca writes: > They may even become jealous or envious and want what you have. Just an > idea. There are ways of turning it into a positive experience rather than > a negative one. Jealousy is what some at work have told me on this thing. Some say its because I have such an outgoing happy personality and people are jealous of that confidence I have and trying to get to me. I have learned to make jokes of it occasionally and told some of them that I work myself blue in the face and the bosses don't appreciate it. LOL All my co workers crack up and we all have a laugh about it. I do remember what I looked like before this and it wasn't any better though. The people that knew me when I was so sick tell them that Janis looks better than she used to because I had such dark circles under my eyes and people would ask what was wrong with me. That also bothered me. Now at least the color is only in certain lights and the dark circles have pretty much gone away. Thank you, Janis
Re: CS>Colloidal vs silver ions
In a message dated 4/15/2002 4:24:38 PM Central Daylight Time, bwste...@bellsouth.net writes: > At this point, I don't want to even attempt to make my own CS as I want to > experiment to see if CS works for me and my family as many of you have > attested to. > Personally to me no one knows exactly what is in CS you buy but what you make yourself you know if you put in salt to make the PPM higher. If I was trying it again I would only take what I make and use only the distilled water and pure silver wire. Back when I was on this list before after some testing some said that certain brands of CS was little more than amber colored water. :( But everyone has to make their own decisions. Its really easy to make yourself just a bit of a hassle. Janis
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing sil...
In a message dated 4/15/2002 3:08:45 PM Central Daylight Time, so...@dialup.oar.net writes: > From perusing the archives (search wateroz argyria), she stated > previously that she consumed over 7 gallons in a year's time (might > have been a year and a half). If memory serves me correctly, someone > else noticed a discoloration of the skin after using it topically. I > believe it went away after a period of time (after discontinuing use). > Hard telling if she will experience similar results after ingesting so > much. > Well I didn't consume 7 gallons of it. Maybe around 3 or 4 gallons total over time. Who was it that consumed the 7 gallons? One girl here in town was taking some form of silver (not WaterOz) and she claimed to have turned blue only temporarily and everyone said it went away. The form she bought was something from the health food store from what I was told and I never heard what type. She was taking it for sinus infections I think. Thanks, Janis Sure glad you guys are here for us when we screw up. LOL I was afraid no one would talk to me. Wheew!!!
Re: CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing silver?
In a message dated 4/15/2002 12:46:14 PM Central Daylight Time, dtmil...@midiowa.net writes: > Your description sounds identical to European royalty "blue-bloods." > I guess you'd be right at home in England. :) > True. LOL I keep thinking at the country club with all those people that think they have so much money I should just look like royalty. hehehe Guess they don't know about royalty in England though. ROFL When we hire new girls in at work and they are always calling in sick I laughed the other day and told my boss those pink people are just sickly people. He started cracking up on that one. I can't get over it that some of the girls say they don't see what some are talking about. I look at some of the members that aren't red complexioned and to me I think they also have a slight grey tinit. One oriental doctor there one time I made a comment to that some think I look grey or bluish and he looked at me and smiled and said I looked just fine that everyones color is off under those sodium lights and especially orientals. My husband just keeps saying it shows when I have worked a long hard week and that I was never a pink person. Thanks for the humor, Janis
Re: CS>CS RE: chelation Grey color
In a message dated 4/15/2002 9:42:10 AM Central Daylight Time, telt...@cox.net writes: > These are a few links that may have some use to you..? > Tel Tofflemire > Phoenix, AZ > > http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm#treatment > > http://www.oralchelation.com/index.html > > http://www.medical-library.net/sites/adjunctive_therapies_for_cancer.html Thank you for these sites. I was afraid maybe all I would get from this list was people defending their form of silver and laying blame on another. What brand is not important at this point to me its what are the alternatives I have now. Everyone makes a choice and anything is possible is my belief. Everyone is different and that has been shown time and time again in life. Thank you again and I will be checking out these sites and giving them careful consideration. :) Janis
Re: CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing silver?
In a message dated 4/15/2002 7:38:13 AM Central Daylight Time, ken...@optusnet.com.au writes: > Janis - sorry to hear about your brush with argyria. Coincidentally, Frank > Key posted not long ago results from analyzing a number of WaterOz > products, finding a number of their 'pure ionic minerals' were just > chloride salts. It was surmised their silver product was probably silver > nitrate - the main culprit in most (thankfully rare) reported cases of > argyria. Your unfortunate experience reinforces that suspicion. > > Kevin Nolan > Argyria? I hate using that word. LOL I guess I am still in denial on some of it. I know that is the term for it but just hate seeing it and hearing the word. LOL Thank you for your post though. No ideas though on trying anything to help it? I find it really odd that some of the girls at work say they don't see the grey either. Even my husband and son say they don't see it. My husband says I just look darker to a degree to him and that I have never been a real pink person. I have some Cherokee and have a slight dark skin tone anyway with no real pinkness. I have a friend who is African-American and he just looks at me and says you white folks are too worried about color. LOL I knew him before I started taking the WaterOz and made a comment "Oh well if it turns me grey the world needs another color to be prejudice of. LOL When I had Lyme I held out on hope that I would get better although many told me I wouldn't. Just like now I am holding out hope I will find either something to make it better or start telling people to Kiss my A## when they say I look grey. LOL The good thing is it only seems to be under certain lighting circumstances, the bad thing is its the lights I work under constantly that seems to be the worst. Another good thing is they are going to do some remodeling at the club where I work and I heard one of the men make a comment they were going to get rid of the lights they have because it gives people a washed out look. They are talking about going to Halogen lights. I sure hope that helps me. I am going today to get a hair cut and wear my hair closer to my face than I have in the past. Funny thing is I see people everyday with bad complexions and weird colored skin either from too much sun or liver spots. My skin is perfect under normal lights. Another odd thing is it only seems to be on the face area as far as I can tell. Last year I couldn't handle talking about it to anyone but my closest friends and thats why I haven't been here. I did make a choice and that was to get well. At this point I am well so one feat is accomplished and now to deal with the lesser of the two evils I feel. Years ago I raised dogs and worked some with Silver Nitrate sticks to stop bleeding on puppies that I removed the dewclaws on. The Silver Nitrate sticks had a cross bones and said poisonous not to be taken internally right on the package. If you even touched the end of the sticks it would temporarily turn your skin black. It did wear off though after several days. They must have been something different from the silver nitrate in WaterOz was though. I can tell you that some people are really rude and obnoxious. One lady at the club a year and a half ago was drunk and it was right after Halloween and she took one look at me and started laughing hysterically and saying What is wrong with you? It must be some kind of joke. I was a little in shock at the time and very upset. I see her now and avoid her but I am thinking all the time at least I don't weigh 250 pounds like she does and a drunk like she is most of the time. She was also making fun of others in the room too so I guess I gave her a past time. LOL I do think it getting better and the one doctor said in time he thinks it will fade. He said heavy metals like silver take awhile to be excreted from the body. He also suggested I see a dermatologist and see if they had any ideas. If Rosemary's site is right they don't have any ideas either. But I can honestly say Rosemary's site does not portray the truth or else she has a much bigger problem with it than I do. That grey shirt she is wearing in one picture is a dead giveaway to me that the picture is doctored to accentuate the problem. Anyway, I am still looking for answers. :( Janis
CS>Anyone know of any good oral chelation ideas on removing silver?
Hi Everyone, I used to be on this list about 3 years ago. I am hoping I can find Marsha here and she is doing ok also. I have to admit I should have heeded the words of someone saying that high parts per million and taking ionic silver wasn't a good idea. I should have stayed with the colloidal silver I made and knew exactly what went into it (distilled water and . pure silver. For the last year and a half I have been told I have a slight blue tint and at times they tell me I look really tired at work. When I ask why they are asking me that they usually reply "Its because I look a little grey." Geez!!! You guys I don't see it. I do work at a country club at nights and they have Sodium lights I think. They have an amber tint to them. Most everyone has a red look but not me. I have never been told before that I look grey until the last year and a half. I always was told though that I had an olive skin color when I was a child. In the beginning I thought they were playing with me and thought what a sick joke. Now I have had 2 doctors mention it. One asking me if I had heart trouble and if that was why I looked grey. Yikes!!! Last year it sent me into tears. I am learning to deal with it though. At times I just tell them well maybe I do look a little grey to you but its better than being on disability and sick or even maybe dead. Nope I don't look anything like that fake picture of Rosemary Jacobs. I can vouch for that. I do still think her picture has been doctored. One older doctor at the country club caught my best friend and asked him if I had been sick and that he could tell I had taken silver. No one told him he came up with it on his own. He kept saying he wanted to know where I got a hold of silver because he didn't think it existed anymore. Boy is he behind the times. LOL Don't take this as negative though on silver. Hey I am the only one at the club that doesn't get the flu or colds. I have worked there now for 2 years and 3 months and only taken one day off feeling bad and I think that was stress and fatigue. I do work sometimes 6 day weeks and sometimes 15 hour shifts on my feet all day. So at times I would try to contribute the looking grey to being tired and worn out plus the sodium lights with an amber tint. Last year though I was in a convience store and the guy at the register asked me if I was feeling ok because I looked kind of blue. Their lighting was florescent. :( Then on another instance I was told at the YMCA that some of the ladies at the country club were wondering what was wrong with my color and the one lady said well I have known her a long time and she looks good compared to how she used to look when she was sick with Lyme. Although when I was going out the door just 20 minutes later the massage therapist caught me asked me if I was feeling ok. When I asked why? He said, "Well you look a little grey." Ughhh!!! With Lyme disease I had dark circles under my eyes and now most of that is gone. I don't seem to have any problems with Lyme at this time. I have quit all antibiotics about 3 years ago and a year and a half ago when they started saying something about me looking a strange color I quit the silver totally. My daughter said I looked normal today. She says its just certain times I look grey. I think its under certain lighting conditions myself. Yes it causes me some concern and makes me a little paranoid at times. I took the WaterOz silver in fairly large amounts and I really think that is what has caused this. I knew from all the talk that there was a possibility of this happening so I only blame myself and no one else. I was originally diagnosed with chronic Lyme disease and so far I have beat the odds. I have been searching for chelation ideas to try and have read about Cilantro.. http://kitchendoctor.com/articles/cilantro.html";>Cilantro - Mercury Toxicity - Oral Chelation - kitchendoctor.com I know silver isn't Mercury and may not be similiar in any way or form but I am going to try the fresh Cilantro and see what happens there. Blood tests I had run right after the comments on my color all came up fine with no liver problems or anything. I didn't tell the doctor I had been taking silver. My doctor just said I did seem to have a strange color only on my face at the time. He thought it might be a reaction to something. In my heart I thought I probably knew the reason when the tests came up normal. Oh yes, and in the last 2 months I have also tried Canthraxanthin which there were some reports that it gave people an orange tint and thought that would counteract the grey look. Well no luck there. So I decided I would see if anyone here had any ideas. I am very thankful I don't have any Lyme symptoms at this time and hope I cured that problem even if I am grey or slightly blue at times. I figure I traded being very sick for bei
Re: CS>IONIC AGAIN
Jo, This is not the WaterOz I order from. Mine is coming from Grangeville, Idaho and this company seems to be more expensive. If you want the toll free phone number of the one I order from let me know. They will send you a couple of booklets and a cassette tape that explains their theory. I heard at one time there was some battle over the two companies having the same name but hadn't heard anything lately on it. I didn't see a price for 4 gallons at a time and that is what I order to get a price break. But some of their information sounds a lot the same on ionic silver. That is the reason I am sending you this link. Let me know if you can access it or not. I am sure there is some techier folks than I that may not agree with some of this. http://www.waterozm.com/index.html";>waterozm.com, alternative health .999 pure + or - ionic minerals, stabilized oxygen, ozone purifier Take care, Janis In a message dated 12/02/1999 12:04:42 PM Central Standard Time, birds...@bendcable.com writes: << Could someone please tell me in plain english, suitable for a blond, whether colloidal particles are smaller than ionic or the opposite is true and whether one is better to take than the other? I know this may be debatable but I gotta' know. :o) So far the ionics are winning with me. >> »§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§«Sinaj101»§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§« §Lyme Survivor§ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Janis///Recovery
In a message dated 12/02/1999 2:23:56 AM Central Standard Time, vi...@peak.org writes: << --Did you have initial die-off herx reaction? Valik for some unknown reason some Lyme patients don't have herxes. I got slowly better on Doxycycline and had reached the 95% better mark before I started WaterOz I now consider myself 98% better as I still have some numbness in my left hand due to the Lyme. It may be permanent damage and I may never get all the feeling back but it doesn't bother me and I have learned to live with it. I take the WaterOz now in hopes of being able to stay off abx and keeping control of the Lyme which so far so good. Here is my story on the Lyme Quilt page if you are interested in reading it from beginning to end. http://www.angelfire.com/cgi-bin/admem?category=";>http://www.angelfire.c om/ny2/James/page99.html --How long before you saw improvement? My problems when I started silver I think was yeast as I had some mild joint pain and stiffness and after stopping the abx and starting WaterOz I noticed that went away and it was in the first few weeks of taking silver. I feel I was one of the lucky ones as in the abx did help me but I didn't want to stay on the abx forever. I felt like silver was a good alternative to the caustic abx I was taking. 6 months off abx and no symptoms at this point and I think its the silver keeping it all under control. My joints are in better than shape than they have been in years. My shoulders were weak and sore when I started working out and now they are painfree and stronger than ever before. I wonder if the silver and exercise didn't help the joints to sort of regenerate themselves. --What other things were you doing? Read the story and it will explain all the rest I have done. :) The one thing that concerns me is Donna has told me its just her face effected by the color change. Would this be normal for silver to do? Wouldn't it effect the rest of her body not just her face? Take care, Janis »§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§«Sinaj101»§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§« §Lyme Survivor§ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:Donna/ CS questions for everyone
I have taken the WaterOz Silver a cup a day for the first 3 weeks then I dropped it down to 1/2 cup a day for a couple of weeks. I started WaterOz May 30 of this year and have been taking it ever since. Since I am now in remission I only take 1/4 cup a day sometimes I still take 1/2 cup on occasion. Depending on how I feel. I have never noticed a grey color to my skin. I have also taken it off and on with MSM. During the summer I also spent a lot of time in tanning beds getting a tan and never noticed anything unusual then either. All together I have taken about 4 gallons of WaterOz silver and nothing but feeling great. I work out at the Y everyday and couldn't ask for better health at this time. In fact I am getting ready to order another 4 gallons of it because I have been doing so well. I want to keep my Lyme in remission and I think WaterOz Silver is part of the reason for that now. I realize everyone is different and their body chemistry could do something different. Take care, Janis In a message dated 12/01/1999 6:44:48 PM Central Standard Time, kato...@mindspring.com writes: << Is there anyone else out there who has taken CSPro or WaterOZ at the rate of a cup a day? If you have and are not blue I'm sure that would be somewhat consoling to Donna. >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: tami - flagyl & Doxy
Tami, I have taken the Flagyl myself. I took 500mg 3 times a day and Suprax 400 mg 2 times a day. I didn't have any problems with them other than a bad yeast problem which at this point silver seems to have solved also. Of course, everyone is different though. I never had a fever. I am really stumped over you having a fever only in the evenings. I took Doxycycline 100mg 3 times a day for 15 months but that was before I took the Flagyl. I am in remission from Lyme at this point and hope to stay that way. I now only take the ionic silver and work out at the Y. So far I must say I am doing great and never felt better. Here is my Lyme story if you would care to read it.http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/James/page99.html";>http:/ /www.angelfire.com/ny2/James/page99.html I am not much help though but like I said everyone is different with this. If I can help in any way let me know. Take care, Janis In a message dated 11/30/1999 5:02:10 AM Central Standard Time, deat...@aol.com writes: << Tami: as the group has already picked up on - that is A LOT of toxins going into your body - both of those meds are extremely harmful to the liver - >> »§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§«Sinaj101»§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§« §Lyme Survivor§ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>No TOFU for you
In a message dated 11/29/1999 11:50:12 AM Central Standard Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << Too much tofu induces ‘brain aging,’ study shows >> A Hawaii research team says high consumption of the soy product by a group of men lowered mental abilities Maybe its just a man thing. hehehehe So all those weight lifters and body builders are aging their brains huh from taking all that Soy? I thought some of them acted strange. My son takes Soy and is 23 and sure has acted a lot more mature in the last few years. LOL :) http://www.families-first.com/hotflash/faq/soy2.htm";>Hotflash! - FAQ - Soy & Isoflavones Our body then reacts as if there really is estrogen at the sites. This can help out tremendously with some of the symptoms brought on by perimenopause and menopause. Some research suggests that by doing this soy can decrease hot flashes and vaginal dryness, in addition to providing other health benefits. Japanese women, whose diet is very high in soy, have much fewer perimenopause and menopause symptoms. Current studies attribute this to their high isoflavone diet. Soy and the isoflavones that are in soy also have a number of other healthy roles. Soy can lower cholesterol, increase bone density (soy is generally high in calcium) and possibly decrease the risk of developing breast cancer. (though the evidence for this is not completely in yet). Soy also may have long standing benefits for men in preventing and recovering from prostate cancer. Take Care, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> Another Way to Wash the Cat LOL Time to laugh folks :)
HOW TO WASH THE CAT 1. Thoroughly clean the toilet. 2. Add the required amount of shampoo to the toilet water, and have both lids lifted. 3. Obtain the cat and soothe him while you carry him towards the bathroom. 4. In one smooth movement, put the cat in the toilet and close both lids (you may need to stand on the lid so that he cannot escape). CAUTION: Do not get any part of your body too close to the edge, as his paws will be reaching out for any purchase they can find. 5. Flush the toilet three or four times. This provides a "powerwash and rinse" which I have found to be quite effective. 6. Have someone open the door to the outside and ensure that there are no people between the toilet and the outside door. 7. Stand behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift both lids. 8. The now-clean cat will rocket out of the toilet, and run outside where he will dry himself. Sincerely, The DOG Janis :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Garlic and Mullein oil
I sure hope those same aliens didn't plant Lyme disease to slow us down and kill off the weaker ones of us. :( It can be a pretty devastating disease. Take care, Janis In a message dated 10/26/99 9:39:21 AM Central Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << According to the Sumarian writings as translated by Stitchin (Ie. The 12th Planet) this is close, but it was actually aliens (which were referred to as gods, but not God) that modified the environment and our dna for shorter life spans to keep us from getting too wise and becomming a threat. Interesting reading. >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>fibromyalgia
Hi Robert, Many people including myself believe that fibromyalgia is actually Lyme disease. I was diagnosed as having either MS, Fibromyalgia, or Lupus in 97 and I found a lyme literate physician that explained to me how hard Lyme disease is to diagnose. The testing is not accurate at this time. Most Lyme tests that are run by local doctors is a joke and very misleading to people. If you have Lyme disease when you start taking an antibiotic or even CS you may notice an increase in symptoms (herxheimer reaction) and this is because of the spirochette dying and sending off toxins to the body. These herxes can last for a quite a while and many think they are having a reaction to the medication when actually its dieoff causing it. Yes, I would say that CS can help you with fibromyalgia. I had all the symptoms of fibromyalgia and now have been on CS and off abx for 5 months and doing great. I also work out at the Y and contribute some of my great health to that also. If you have or are taking steriods for fibromyalgia it just feeds lyme if that is what you might have. Steriods create a feeling you are getting better but when you get off them the problem becomes worse. Here is a list of the fibromyalgia problems and I had everyone of them before being diagnosed with Lyme. Fibromyalgia Syndrome Symptoms Muscular Pain Fatigue Insomnia Joint Pains Headaches Restless Legs Numbness and Tingling Impaired Memory Leg Cramps Impaired Concentration Nervousness Depression (Major Depression) Only about 60% of the lyme patients have ever noticed a rash which is one way they diagnose Lyme. Many lyme patients are misdiagnosed as other things for many years. I am 95% my old self now due to abx and CS. By the way, I live in Oklahoma where they don't believe that Lyme exists. ha ha Take care, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS, to make or not to make money...PLEASE READ!
In a message dated 10/19/99 7:32:37 AM Central Daylight Time, gd...@aol.com writes: << We have enough to do to form intelligent reasoning in these matters for ourselves. Let alone get into long controversies that only confuse and water down a good resource. >> I never thought of this as an argument. I felt like it was a discussion on selling and not selling. I think a lot of good points have been made and a newbie would learn to trust some of us more. When I was a newbie people helping people without trying to make a buck impressed me. If this was just a list where people were trying to sell their wares I would have passed it all up and blew it off totally. Take care all, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS, to make or not to make money...
All right!!! Time for my 2 cents now. :) I didn't buy my silver from Marsha. I bought my silver from the same company Marsha does though. I had to buy a minimum of $25.00 of it though. If I had bought it through Marsha it would have been a lot cheaper in the long run. I have given some of it to friends but I still have a lot. Marsha helped me with directions on how to do it and coached me for about a month to get me through the rough parts. She also has been one of my best friends and I owe her a lot. Marsha is one of the main reasons I started silver. She didnn't ask for money and didn't act like only her silver was the best like some would have done. Before meeting Marsha I honestly thought all the talk about silver was just a bunch of selling hype to sell you something to make money off of people that were sick. She is what makes me feel this list is helpful and I honestly steer away from the people on this list that seem to be trying to make a buck and what they say goes in one ear and out the other. But because of Marsha's not trying to make a financial gain off of me thats why I tried it and am now in remission and been off abx for almost 5 months now and loving every minute of it.I do buy it now but its from a company that I feel is very reasonable. I don't think anyone can beat a gallon for $31 plus shipping and handleing. It advertises to be 100ppm but in the testing someone did on this group it turned out to be about 80ppm which I still consider that pretty good. I have been pleased with it. :) This is just my opinion. Thank you Marsha for all you have done in showing me a way to get well that didn't cost me an arm and a leg. Take care, Janis In a message dated 10/18/99 11:05:21 AM Central Daylight Time, donna2...@aol.com writes: << << Dear James, Yeah, I finally have someone here (my son) who figured out for me what I`m paying, and all. My poor brain is terribly mathematically challenged... I was surprised to find that silver is cheaper now than when I first began sending it out several years ago, and am now making money. Wasn`t my plan. Everyone I`ve spoken to says that five bucks is fair, for the driving to the PO and the postage and handling and all. If anyone disagrees, I can send them the silver for exactly my cost. Or free if they can`t pay. I`ve done that several times. Love, Marsha, who only wants to help. Marsha >> >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS-Ear infection
In a message dated 10/16/99 11:13:49 AM Central Daylight Time, ck...@global2000.net writes: << I have received very good feedback from patients who are >partially deaf using Mullein Oil. >> I have never heard of this one. I have used to Mullein Oil several times and never experienced this one. I guess this goes to show we are all different in the way our bodies handles things. What is medicine for one is poison to another. :( Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>West Nile Virus
In a message dated 10/7/99 9:43:42 AM Central Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << I think a lot of the confusion is because people assume that if they are getting headaches or dissiness from lyme disease, it must be in the brain. That is not necessarily so. Toxins produced by the bacteria is all it takes to give you those symptoms, and thus if the lyme has not crossed the barrier, oral antibotics can do the trick even with headaches and dissiness. >> Now is when you want to know how bad I was and if I had neurological problems and the answer is yes I did and now I don't. Until you experience all that some of us have you will never understand it. Did the toxins also make me have trouble spelling even the simplest of words in the beginning? Did they also make me disoriented driving home and going to a store I had been in many times and feeling lost? Thats all gone now and only the antibiotics and CS has made me feel like my old self again. I had almost every symptom in the book for lyme except heart problems although I did in the beginning have times my heart felt it was racing and sometimes skipping a beat although it was never picked up on by the doctor the short times he spent with me. That too is gone now. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V99 #636
In a message dated 10/7/99 1:25:19 PM Central Daylight Time, liah...@pacbell.net writes: << Dear James, Instead of charging 50 bucks for a generator, why don`t you just tell folks how to make CS themselves with 20 bucks worth of parts??? Oh, yeah, I remember, you want to make money off them... Marsha >> Hip Hip Hooray for Marsha. Marsha is the only reason I even tried CS to begin with. I thought CS was just a bunch of bunk and someone was trying to make some money off me until I met Marsha and a lot of other fine people on this list. I found out how to make it and that no one on this list at the time was trying to make money off me. Everyone here when I came just wanted to help one another get better not try to load their pockets or I would have passed up an opportunity to learn and get better. You need to thank Marsha and the others because this list educates all of us and we don't feel like CS is just somebody's money making opportunity. Thank you Marsha for all you have done for me and never asked a penny for it. I owe you a lot. :) Hugs, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re[2]: CS>West Nile Virus
In a message dated 10/6/99 4:22:04 PM Central Daylight Time, ka...@harborside.com writes: << Oral antibiotics will not cross into the brain to rid someone of Lyme disease due to this barrier. I know this to be a fact, after 10 months of 800mg a day, of amoxicillen (spelling?). Only after going on IV antibiotics, was I cleared of the flashing lights and stabbing head aches. >> Everyone seems to be different on antibiotics and lyme. I had tremendous headaches when I was off the Doxycycline and then after just 3 days back on the headaches would finally go away. I never did any IV's at all. I am now in remission and feeling great. No headaches no nothing and been off abx for 4 months now and only doing ionic silver and MSM. Take care, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>FDA TALK PAPER
Hey guys! I don't know if you have seen this or not but a friend sent it to me. I didn't notice it on the list if I missed it before I am sorry. I thought I would send it anyway and see what you all thought. Janis FDA TALK PAPER Food and Drug Administration U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Public Health Service 5600 Fishers Lane Rockville, MD 20857 -- FDA Talk Papers are prepared by the Press Office to guide FDA personnel in responding with consistency and accuracy to questions from the public on subjects of current interest. Talk Papers are subject to change as more information becomes available. -- T99-39 Print Media: 301-827-6242 August 17, 1999 Broadcast Media: 301-827-3434 Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA FDA ISSUES FINAL RULE ON OTC DRUG PRODUCTS CONTAINING COLLOIDAL SILVER> The FDA has issued a Final Rule declaring that all over- the-counter (OTC) drug products containing colloidal or salts are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded. Colloidal is a suspension of particles in a colloidal (gelatinous) base. In recent years, colloidal preparations of unknown formulation have been appearing in stores. These products are labeled to treat adults and children for diseases including HIV, AIDS, cancer, tuberculosis, malaria, lupus, syphilis, scarlet fever, shingles, herpes, pneumonia, typhoid, tetanus and many others. According to the Final Rule, a colloidal product for any drug use will first have to be approved by FDA under the new drug application procedures. The Final rule classifies colloidal products as misbranded because adequate directions cannot be written so that the general public can use these drugs safely for their intended purposes. They are also misbranded when their labeling falsely suggests that there is substantial scientific evidence to establish that the drugs are safe and effective for their intended uses. The indiscriminate use of colloidal solutions has resulted in cases of argyria, a permanent blue-gray discoloration of the skin and deep tissues. Colloidal ingredients and salts include proteins, mild protein, strong protein, chloride, and iodide. The dosage form of these colloidal
Re: CS> Another alternative in trouble
http://ralphmoss.com/milkman.html";>milkman.html http://ralphmoss.com/milkman.html This is the web site for the below article. TROUBLE IN BLUE EARTH COUNTY: MINNESOTA PROSECUTES FARMER FOR PROVIDING "HEALING WHEY" >From The Cancer Chronicles #26 © Feb. 1995 by Ralph W. Moss, Ph.D. An unusual medical controversy has erupted in Blue Earth country, Minnesota (southwest of Minneapolis) over an unusual treatment for cancer, Lyme disease, MS and other ailments.The defendant is Herbert Saunders, a local dairy farmer, who sells pregnant cows to people with advanced diseases. The patient then has his or her blood drawn, and this is then injected into the pregnant cow's udder. When the cow gives birth, the patient drink its antibody rich colostrum (first milk) in the form of whey (the serum or watery part of the milk). There have been reports of dramatic improvement on this non-toxic treatment. The whey treatment became well-known after Rep. Berkley Bedell, from the neighboring state of Iowa, reported that it cured him of his Lyme disease-related arthritis several years ago. Bedell, a recent finalist for Coping magazine's Hero Award, is scheduled to testify on Saunders' behalf. The state prosecutors consider this an "udderly" worthless treatment. They contend that Saunders is a common charlatan, who is selling people astronomically priced milk. They also claim that his injection technique constitutes cruelty to animals. This is ironic, since (according to the Encyclopedia Britannica) the local economy is "centered on a prosperous hog market." The last time we looked, hog butchering was no less cruel than giving a cow an injection in her udder. The cows sold for only one or two thousand dollars (their market value) and Saunders is hardly well-prepared financially for this legal assault. In fact, he is practically bankrupt and his attorney, Calvin Paul Johnson of Mankato, along with two legal assistants are working on a volunteer basis, because they believe so strongly in the cause of medical freedom. (They can be reached at 507-345-4545 or faxed at 507-387-1005.) Aside from some rather astonishing anecdotes, is there any scientific rationale behind this rustic treatment? There is, and it centers around a substance called "transfer factor"(TF), which was discovered by H.S. Lawrence of New York University in 1949. This has been used experimentally for decades. It is a long-established fact that there can be a transfer of immunity (say, sensitivity to the TB organism) from the blood of one individual to another. TF is actually a mixture of at least 200 different chemicals normally found in the blood. According to one orthodox history book, "transfer factor has been applied clinically with some success in...a variety of viral and mycotic [i.e., fungal, ed.] disease." Dr. Lawrence's problem was that he was too far ahead of his time. In fact, he discovered TF six years before anyone even knew that lymphocytes (white blood cells) had anything to do with immunity! In a sense, it was rediscovered as a treatment by Hugh Fudenberg, M.D. of So. Carolina in 1970. Fudenberg is also scheduled to testify in Saunders' defense. TF has now been tried against many diseases, including cancer. Fudenberg recently reviewed the results in a peer-reviewed medical paper. While the outcome in breast cancer were rather disappointing (because, he feels, of incomplete knowledge of how to best give the treatment), a recent test in highly malignant osteosarcoma (bone cancer), was promising. Seven control patients all died by 24 months. But five of the six patients who received TFafter surgery "were alive and disease-free" at the end of 24 months "and also at last follow-up, 100-120 months after therapy." This increase in survival was due to the prevention of lung metastases. Saunders provided his folk variation on this sophisticated treatment to patients who in many cases have been abandoned by conventional medicine. THE STATE V. HERBERT SAUNDERS The following document is from Saunders' defense committee. · We the People of the State of Minnesota are guaranteed access to colostrum, the first milk of birthing female animals. We the People have the right to choose viable health treatments for our bodies. We the People possess fundamental rights of privacy, fundamental rights of liberty, common-law rights of self-determination, and fundamental rights of Nature. We the People assert our right to speak freely about our health. We the People preserve our right to act upon our knowledge to improve and maintain health. We the People proclaim our rights, as farmers, to sell and peddle our products. We the People claim our right to buy the products of the farm or garden from those who occupy and cultivate either. We the People proclaim that the laws protect those who seek unconventional means of improving and maintaining health equally with those who seek conventi
Re: CS>Lyme disease
In a message dated 9/21/99 10:13:04 AM Central Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << I think whether CS alone can cure Lyme depends on where it has gotten to. I believe that once it crosses the blood brain barrier, gets into the lymph systems, or gets into the joint cartiledge, CS has a hard time reaching it and the other parts of Beck's protocol really shine for getting into these hiding places. >> I am not a medical professional and have not done any tests to substantiate this but I as a lyme suffer no longer have joint aches nor the headaches I did before CS. I am not sure just what took it all away but I know mine was in the brain and joints bad. I couldn't even get off of Doxycycline for 3 days and not have the tremendous headaches come back and last for another 3 days after starting Doxycycline again. I still take the WaterOz Silver but I don't have a problem with headaches anymore and I have been off all prescribed antibiotics for almost 4 months now. The last of this month will mark the 4 month time period. I also don't have joint aches. Now if it doesn't penetrate the blood/brain area or the joints how can this be happening. Oh yes, I was not in the early stages. No way could being bitten in 1990 and having the classic bullseye rash and only getting 2 weeks of Doxycycline and then having the problems come back slowly and finally getting diagnosed as chronic lyme in 1997 be early lyme. Nope I wasn't bitten by another tick if so I wouldn't have gotten to the stages I was when diagnosed. Remember Oklahoma isn't suppose to have Lyme anyway. I got probably the only one in my part of the state. Lucky me. LOL Those of us who have lived with it and experienced it will all tell you that we feel silver does cross the blood/brain barrier and the joints. I for one am thrilled I am at the point I am now and feel silver was a step in the right direction. Plus I did not do Beck's protocal. Not saying its not good I just haven't done it and haven't felt a need. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marsha, I forgot to tell in the last letter I sent you. I have been off abx for a total of almost 4 months now and still doing great. I have been taking the WaterOz and MSM though. I am hoping to never see another case of Lyme. I just started back to the Y today as I had quit for awhile because first my mother in law had a mild stroke and I took care of her for a week and a half and then I had a darn bicycle wreck and that took me about 2 weeks to heal up from. I messed up my shoulder so bad I couldn't hardly raise my arm. My knee was scraped really bad and kept trying to get infected. I finally put my WaterOz Silver on a bandaid and after a few days the infection finally went away. My shoulder got ok too but I still feel like my ankle might have been fractured but its a heck of a lot better than it was. Other than that no complaints here. I sure missed everyone. All the positive letters from Mike and all of you. Its all so much better than listening to a lot of the people say there is no hope. Amy this is the only group I have ever found that gives you hope. Shame more wont look into silver more seriously. Oh well, their loss I guess. Hugs to you all, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>ALERT
Hello everyone, I am back. I couldn't stay away from my positive people. This is the most positive list on the internet I think when it comes to Lyme disease or any other disease or disorder. I had to post to tell you that the place where many of us purchase our WaterOz silver is not aware of any problems with having to take it off the shelves. I spoke to them this morning and they told me there is not any problems there that they have heard of. If anyone wants to know their address and toll free number just email me off list and I will email you back the info. There is two companies calling themselves WaterOz I have heard. It certainly made me feel better to hear their voice and that they didn't have problems at this time. Hi Sparrow. How are you doing? Glad to see you and Donna are still here. :) Makes me feel like I am back home amongst my friends. Hey Marsha how are you doing? I know you will never leave. :) Don't forget to let me know how all your birdies are doing. Hugs to all of you, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>alcohol/earaches
Guess I dont have a sense of humor. Congratualating people on their new grandbabies is out and making jokes out of a treatment that works is in. So excuse me if I forgot to laugh. This list is no longer for me. Since CS cured my lyme anyway at this point I have chose not to be a part of this list anymore. Thank you to all who have helped me you have been wonderful and I appreciate all you did in helping me. Thanks Marsha, Nick, Bob, and Donna. You guys are great. Janis :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>alcohol/earaches
I hardly think alcohol and Liquid Drano are anywhere the same. How stupid. In a message dated 7/2/99 8:28:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, anet...@msn.com writes: << I ususally just pour a little liquid drano into my ear - that kills any pathogens within minutes . . . . and it really cleans out your ear canal. THIS IS A JOKE - DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS :-) >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>alcohol/earaches
The purpose of adding the vinegar according to my doctor was to lower the Ph of the alcohol. In a message dated 7/2/99 10:33:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, samma...@aol.com writes: << Could vodka be used as a substitute for the isopropyl? Would it help the evaporation? We use the iso and vinegar mix at my house for swimmer's ear. I didn't know it was harmful. Samm >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>kills all ?
What ever it sure enough worked. :) and would do it again without hesitation. Janis In a message dated 6/30/99 4:40:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, n...@netrus.net writes: << The alcohol is the ingredient here that you would want to avoid putting into your system.and I never understood why people use a hair dryer for an ear infection. >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>kills all ?
Hi all, Years ago I started having ear infections a lot and the doctor called it swimmers ear even though I hadn't been swimming. He told me to mix half and half a solution of Distilled vinegar and alcohol and put it in my ear. After that I use a hair dryer to dry my ear out and the warmth feels great and seems to help also. I still do this but sometimes it only works well if I do it when the ear problem first starts. The last time I got an ear infection like this I started putting CS that I made in my ear and it only seemed to keep it moist and the problem continued. I finally broke down and put the alcohol and vinegar in my ear several times a day and it got better after a few days. My hearing was totally blocked off when I started the alcohol and vinegar and finally got back to normal. Don't know if this will help at this point but its worth a try. If your ear is pretty infected it can burn some as mine did but that went away after the first day. Good luck, Janis In a message dated 6/30/99 9:06:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cmar...@avana.net writes: << > My neighbor has a fungus in her ear. She's been unable to > hear for about a week. She is putting CS in it but hasn't > helped. Ant suggestions?? > edith, >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>questions
John, I am sending a web site on Lasix. I used to work in a hospital and saw a lot of patients on Lasix and they did a lot of urinating. It was normal for them. I was just a nurses aid though. Here is the link and a little about Lasix. Lasix is one of the most frequently used medicines and has been around for many decades. Lasix stimulates kidneys to produce more urine, as a result it reduces the amount of free water in the body. Along with increase in urine volume, Lasix causes loss of Sodium and Potassium in the urine. http://www.tirgan.com/lasix.htm";>Lasix http://www.tirgan.com/lasix.htm Janis In a message dated 6/26/99 11:07:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jfost...@cableone.net writes: << I am very curious though, I have never seen anyone post anything about the increase in urine output from taking CS. Have you ever heard of this? Thanks John jfost...@cableone.net >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>God in the doctor's office
By golly, Jolly are you from the same town in Oklahoma I am? Sounds just too familiar. I hope all the doctors in Oklahoma aren't like this or our death rate is going to be going up. So far my experiences are about the same as yours. A neurologist here in 97 told me that lyme didn't exist in Oklahoma and he seriously doubted it existed at all. Told me I had either Lupus, MS, or Fibromyalgia and wanted a whole lot of tests done. No western blot though. Told me he would give me some Prozac as he thought that would help me tremendously. Do they get a kickback from prescribing Prozac? I think half the town is taking it these days. Take care, Janis In a message dated 6/25/99 6:57:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, garl...@clnk.com writes: << He told me then that i needed to definitely have my head examined. He became very agitated and suggested that i leave because I was obviously "more of a patient than he was a doctor" ( the only true statment he made today). >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>The internet
Reid, You are so right about the cancer coming back. My uncle years ago got Hodgkins disease and was treated and in complete remission for 10 years and then it came back only this time it had spread throughout his whole body and he lasted about 2 months after they found it. He went in for tests in June of 87 (i think) and they found nothing and then he went back the next month and demanded they retest him (as he wasn't feeling good) and that was when they found it everywhere. He was too far gone to do anything. I sure wish I would have known about CS back then. Don't know if it would have saved him but it sure would have been worth a try. To try and fail is better than to not try and fail. Janis In a message dated 6/26/99 1:26:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rsm...@intrnet.net writes: << Let me guess she was cured once before using chemo? What they don't tell you is on the average the cancer comes back four years later. Take Care Reid >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CROHN'S DISEASE
Guess what Dennis? A web browser came with my internet and when I see something I haven't heard about I can type in Crohns which is the subject of this letter and if I don't misspell it then it takes me right to that area and I can read up on it all I like and not bother the list with lots of messages that explain it which is off topic. I took care of the problem myself. It saves a lot of people a lot of time and you learn a lot more too. In a message dated 6/19/99 5:54:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dj...@webtv.net writes: << chron's?? groovus maximus, Dennis >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>commom drug can beat lyme disease
Valik, I think its the system putting us down. I just want to get over this crap one way or another and still have all my parts working. LOL Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>commom drug can beat lyme disease
I took the Flagyl for about 2 months. 500mg three times a day. I didn't notice much out of it except for the tremendous yeast problems it and Suprax together gave me. Some people do claim to get really good results on it but not all. Hadn't heard of anyone that got liver problems on it though at this point. Wong since you are on aol you should be able to access the sci med lyme newsgroup. A man named Martin Atkinson Barr has done a lot of research on Flagyl and lyme. He thinks many times the reason that Flagyl doesn't work on some is that there is a co-infection present also like Babesiosis. Here is the address for the sci. med newsgroup sci.med.diseases.lyme (unread) (Keyword to: aol://5863:126/sci.med.diseases.lyme) but it can only be accessed through aol. There is another address for the web but I don't know it. Its deja. news. com Martin Atkinson Barr posts there occasionally has a lot of other people on Flagyl also do. I feel Flagyl is fairly safe also. I used to have a large kennel and gave Flagyl to 6 week old puppies and they did fine on it. They were a small breed that weighed about 4 or 5 pounds and I gave them one fourth of a 250mg tablet and no liver problems at all. Also the Flagyl people will tell you that silver will fry your liver. LOL Take care, Janis In a message dated 6/18/99 6:04:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wong...@aol.com writes: << From the Enquirer <<...totally surprised to find that Flagl, a common medication made patients feel great, said Dr. Horowitz, top lyme disease expert at Vassar Brothers Hospital in Poughkeepsie, N.Y.>> >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Brain Barrier
Valik, I have been on antibiotics since Sept. of 97 non stop and I was 95% better from Lyme. Then on April 5th I started making my own silver with the help of this list. I took about 2 cups a day of what I made myself. I knew what I was making was low in PPM but I had already seen some positive things I just didn't feel what I was making was consistent or strong enough. So that is when I went with WaterOz on May 30th. I started out with WaterOz at 1/4 cup 4 times a day. At this point the most I have seen as far as herxes has been diarrhea on and off. Some think the diahrrea is a die off of good bacteria. I don't really think so because before on antibiotics I wasn't having diahrrea but had yeast problems galore which is an automatic sign to me that the good bacteria is dieing. Since I have been taking WaterOz I haven't had any signs of vaginal itching at all. I do a pretty strenuous workout at the Y Monday thru Friday and this weekend my muscles are pretty sore but I know what I have done to get that way. So I don't alot the muscle soreness to symptoms of Lyme. I feel pretty confident at this point that the WaterOz is keeping things at bay where before when I was making my own silver I was beginning to get joint aches some and when that would happen I would start taking my abx along with the silver I made. Since starting the WaterOz on May 30 I have not taken any abx at all. After 2 weeks of taking the 1/4 cup 4 times a day I started taking 1/4 cup twice a day. I anticipated the herx from hell upon doing the 1/4 cup 4 times a day and it never happened. My theory is that I think I have killed a lot of the lyme bacteria and I am now just getting any that may be coming out from being dormant and that is why I am having diahrrea off and on. I started getting an ear infection yesterday and so I took 1/4 cup three times a day yesterday. It feels better today as I also put Mullein a herbal oil in it yesterday. Mullein is for ear infections and I get it at the health food store. I hope this helps you to understand why I may not be having the herxes you are. Antibiotics helped me a lot except for the yeast problems but I am in great hopes the WaterOz will totally wipe out all the lyme bacteria and yeast problems. Take care, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Brain Barrier
Valik, Do be careful with that combination. I don't know but as much as you herx from the silver alone that might really throw you into a herx from Hell so to speak. I did the Silver I made with MSM and boy did I feel bad the next day for about a week. Wasn't real sure if it was the combination or I had acquired some kind of flu bug. I intended to try it again and see if I get the same result but I shudder at the thought every time I think of how bad I did feel back then and taking the WaterOz I know is a lot higher PPM and if I do it you all might not hear from me for a few days. LOL Meaning I might be flat on my back in bed herxing. I don't know but I will try to get up my nerve and let you all know. Take care, Janis In a message dated 6/18/99 12:34:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vi...@peak.org writes: << 2. Combining CS with GFSE for more penetration of blood-brain barrier. (How about a combination of CS, GFSE, MSM, in Gatorade? Oh that should do the trick I can try all but the Gatorade...and I will...) Anybody else out there up for a few experiments? ~^^V^^~ >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Diarrhea
John, I think the diahrrea is pretty normal for taking silver. I personally think its die off. I have had a lot of diahrrea and now I am constipated and still taking the silver. For me after the diahrrea is over I feel a lot better than I did before. I bet you if he keeps taking it and would swallow that he would be surprised how much better he felt after a few weeks of doing it. I think its cleans out your system and that is something that has to happen to get rid of the toxins. This is just my two cents though. Good luck. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...
Marshall, I feel that knowing their symptoms alone as I do is proof enough for me. Maybe Marsha, Candace, and Nick will tell you the myriad of symptoms they had. You don't get sympoms like they did if it didn't I don't think. I guess now that they are cured though its just their word against yours. There is some speculation that lyme crosses the blood/brain barrier in just a few short hours others say it takes a while for it to happen. That is why they put people on such high doses of abx so as much as possible will cross the blood/brain barrier. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...
Marshal, From everything I have read the one reason they have trouble curing lyme after it goes chronic is that many of the abx do not cross the blood/brain barrier. There is proof though that the lyme bacteria does get in the brain and that is why many people have symptoms similiar to alzheimers. Here is some info reprinted from Dr. Burrascano's Protocal on Lyme. SPECT scanning of the brain, if done by knowledgeable radiologists using high-resolution equipment, will show characteristic abnormalities in Lyme encephalopathy. This not only helps with the differential diagnosis, but if done before and after acetazolamide, it will guide in the use of vasodilators, which may clear some cognitive symptoms. Therapy can also include serotonin agonists, pentoxiphylline and even Ginko biloba. Therapeutic trials may be needed. If you would like to understand more on Lyme disease here is the address for his whole protocal. http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines#INTRODUCTION Yep, Marshal I would say that it does cross the barrier. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Lyme, Beck and Gold...
Valik, I thought that if the CS particles were small enough it could penetrate the blood/brain barrier. Especially the WaterOz we are taking. The particle size of ionic should be small enough to penetrate anything shouldn't it or am I wrong? Does anyone know the answer? I thought that was part of the reason so many was having mental herxes. The die off of bacteria in the brain. Take care, Janis In a message dated 6/17/99 9:34:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vi...@peak.org writes: << Also, do you (or anyone) know whether c. gold can affect organisms in the brain? Someone on list said it helps Alzheimers, which is certainly in the brain. I wonder if it can penetrate the blood/brain barrier, as apparently CS cannot... ~^^V^^~ >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Questions about CS from my dad
Dear List, I talked to my father about making CS and he wants to but he has a few questions and I am not familiar with this well enough to answer them. I know a lot of you out there are though. Can you please give me an answer to his questions so I can send them on to him. He goes camping a lot and wants to be able to make his CS while on vacation without the 9 volt batteries. Thanks for all your help, Janis Hi Jan, I've been doing some wondering. If a Lab. Tech. used a 12 Volt Battery on a Car and used a little bit larger lead wires and put the wires a 1/2" apart instead of 1" apart, possible it would do the same thing and a person would always have a full charged battery to use and not have to fool with the little 9 volt batteries that may be 1/2 run down. A person could drill holes 1", 3/4, 1/2 and 1/4 and experiment to where he had a few bubbles or a little activity working on the silver. That would be so handy to do around a Camper or Truck. If it was 7 or 8ppm how much would be a daily dose. Would 2 tablespoons full be enough to maybe remove warts and also give the body his daily needs or should it be maybe 3 tble spoons full per day. I know it would be a guess, so a person might have to experiment a little with it and see if he could tell some difference, I guess. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THIS. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS for gums
Patti, I have posted several times about what CS did for my gums. I have always had periodontal disease and just after taking CS for a month I had my teeth cleaned and for the first time my dental hygienist told me she didn't know what I was doing but I no longer had periodontal disease. That shocked me. I had done everything in the past trying to help it and nothing had worked but the CS did. I made my own at the time so it was a weak PPM but when I took it I swished it around my mouth several times before swallowing it. I am taking CS for Lyme and wasn't even thinking about the possibilities of the periodontal disease being cured. My gums used to bleed a lot and they no longer do. I don't spit it out though. What little you do take if you are swallowing any of it you should be swishing. I know take Silver WaterOz and its higher in PPM and I think I am well on my way to being over Lyme completely. The WaterOz I can tell you from my experience is staining my teeth but it is easy to clean the stain off. Its nothing like the staining I got from Doxycycline that took sandblasting to get it off. LOL Course until recently I was taking a cup of WaterOz a day. I have now cut it back to half because I am feeling great and don't see a need to continue that much. Hope this helps you and good luck with yeast kill off. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Diarrhea
Sparrow, I have a feeling its something to do with die off. I had the same thing a few weeks after starting the silver. My left ear hurt really bad but I just blamed it on the hot tub and sauna I was doing. I thought I might have gotten some water in it. Then about 3 weeks ago I got up and felt like my lungs were raw and had a lot of congestion and ached all over. I decided that was some kind of flu. I started taking WaterOz though almost 2 weeks ago and have had none of that happen anymore. My thoughts were maybe the silver I was making wasn't strong enough to keep me from getting the little infections but who knows maybe that was my big die off. Sure have felt good since starting the WaterOz except for the occasional bouts of diahrrea that seem to come and go. I don't have any more itching and needing to use monistat anymore either. Hang in there I think slowly we will beat this crap. Take care, Janis In a message dated 6/12/99 9:50:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, myf...@mwt.net writes: << Now that I'm back on the silver, I have a sore throat and earache again. This seems to happen each time I'm taking the silver. Any ideas? >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Burns
Ray, You know some people quit subscribing to the list after someone jumps down their throats like this. You could have just nicely asked what the E was if you didn't know and someone would have answered you. I do feel like I have some buddies on this list but I also realize their are some people that like to pick at everything some one says on here and I guess you are one of them. I personally have recieved a lot of help from this list but I didn't get it from jumping down someones throat. Just had to voice my opinion. Janis In a message dated 6/8/99 7:41:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rba...@aol.com writes: << You say you got E. and put it on your feet! What is this E. thing you got? Just remember that not everyone reading this list is familiar with ridiculous abbreviations like this E. thing in your story, which I followed until I lost interest. As far as I am concerned, you didn't make any sense with your story by wrongly assuming that the E. thing is known to everybody. You are wrong! Very wrong! You are not writing to your buddies on this list. So, please be considerate of others when posting here. Thanks. Ray >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Good News!!
Marsha, CONGRATULATIONS you lucky person. I am still not a grandmother and my kids keep waiting till they can afford one and that maybe forever. I am so happy for you. When you get to see him give him a hug and a kiss for me. Hope he knows he has a wonderful grandmother. When I read your wonderful news I was so excited for you. Just had to let you know that I am very happy for you. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> A bit off topic but interesting theory
Dear Listers: I got this in my mail this morning and thought it was an interesting theory. I know its off topic but its about health and I never thought about this maybe being the cause of so much breast cancer. Janis Have you ever heard this theory? This is interesting: Deodorants (non-anti-perspirants) are very hard to find but there are a few out there. I just got information from a health seminar that I would like to share. The leading cause of breast cancer is the use of anti-perspirant. What? Yes, ANTI-PERSPIRANT. Most of the products out there are an anti-perspirant/deodorant combination so go home and check your labels. Deodorant is fine, anti-perspirant is not. Here's why: The human body has a few areas that it uses to purge (zuiveren) toxins; behind the knees, behind the ears, groin (lies) area, and armpits. The toxins are purged in the form of perspiration. Anti-perspirant, as the name clearly indicates, prevents you from perspiring, thereby inhibiting the body from purging toxins from below the armpits. These toxins do not just magically disappear. Instead, the body deposits them in the lymph nodes below the arms since it cannot sweat them out. This causes a high concentration of toxins and leads to cell mutations: a.k.a. CANCER. Nearly all breast cancer tumors occur in the upper outside quadrant of the breast area. This is precisely where the lymph nodes are located. Additionally, men are less likely (but not completely exempt) to develop breast cancer prompted by anti-perspirant usage because most of the anti-perspirant product is caught in their hair and is not directly applied to the skin. Women who apply anti-perspirant right after shaving increase the risk further because shaving causes almost imperceptible nicks in the skin which give the chemicals entrance into the body from the armpit area. PLEASE pass this along to anyone you care about. Breast Cancer is becoming frighteningly common. This awareness may save lives. If you are skeptical about these findings, I urge you to do some research for yourself. You will arrive at the same conclusions, I assure you. Thank you Torre Scott Network Administrator University of Chicago Human Resources Information Systems Phone: (773)702-0545 E-mail: t-sc...@uchicago.edu -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver///Day 24
Valik, When did you start getting the emotional herx? I haven't seen that problem at this point. Had some emotional roller coaster times but that was back when I was on abx. Not really seeing that here. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Wateroz
In a message dated 6/5/99 5:15:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rsm...@intrnet.net writes: << Diahrrea isn't good!!! That could be a sign of you killing the good bacteria in your gut. Take Care Reid >> For some reason I don't think so. My vaginal yeast problems are starting to diminish and other problems are going away also. I truly feel its a reaction of the killing off of the bad stuff. I think if I was killing off the good bacteria in my gut I would be seeing an increase in the vaginal itching from the yeast problems and I'm not thank goodness. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Wateroz
Valik, How much of the WaterOz are you taking at this time? I am taking 1/4 cup 4 times a day and seemed to be doing pretty good except for the diahrrea I seem to have. I had been taking the homemade stuff before and had acquired a horrible cold with lots of congestion in my lungs. I coughed almost constantly. After starting the WaterOz within 24 hours my cough was a lot better and just continues getting better. The only thing I have seen that even resembles a herx is the diahrrea at this point. Feeling fine here with no aches or pains. I just started WaterOz last Sunday so maybe next week I will have more info on it and how I am doing. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>[CS] prostrate, epstein bar syndrome
In a message dated 6/2/99 8:14:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sonic-internatio...@worldnet.att.net writes: << Does anyone know if there are any negitive or positive effects from using CS if a person was diagnosed with both prostrate problems and epstein bar syndrome. mike >> Mike I think it would be a positive effect from the Epstein Barr syndrome point not sure on the prostrate but both could be related. Many people have been diagnosed with Epstein Barr and it was later discovered that it was Lyme Disease. Lyme is the great imitator and will effect any weak spot someone has which is why everyone with lyme seems to acquire slightly different symptoms. I would definitely give CS a shot at the Epstein Barr and prostrate problems. I for sure know that lyme gave me some problems in the urinary tract but since I am a woman prostrate wasn't one of them. But the symptoms were similiar to a person with a prostrate problem. CS has cured lyme in many on here just ask Marsha. Take care, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gall Bladders
In a message dated 5/26/99 12:57:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, donna2...@aol.com writes: << Dear Donna, How do you know it wasn`t the Lyme that destroyed your GB?? I took doxy, not rocephin, and still lost mine...I was bitten in the summer of 90, and had my gb out in Jan of 91. Quick work by the bugs... Marsha > >> I was bit in the summer of 1990 and wasn't diagnosed until 97 and took 15 months of Doxy and then suprax and Flagyl for about 3 months and I still have my gallbladder and all my parts. Knock on wood. Hope I don't wind up losing them. But so far so good. I guess it just goes to show lyme effects everyone differently. Remember no two people seem to have the same symptoms with this disease. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver in the body question
In a message dated 5/24/99 11:05:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vi...@peak.org writes: << At 08:37 AM 5/24/99 -0600, you wrote: >Not only do you turn grey, but your eyes get gigantic, solid black and >almond shaped, and then your arms and legs get all spindly. The up side is >telepathy and the ability to levitate through peoples roofs. >James Osbourne, Holmes >~~~ Not to mention the great movie offers... Hey you all on this one if I turn blue I am going for the tryouts for the next Munsters Movie or maybe the Adams Family Movie. Tp heck with my picture on the web like Rose. Also I bet the traveling carnival would hire me. LOL Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS success story
In a message dated 5/26/99 8:36:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, myf...@mwt.net writes: << If you post on sci.med.diseases.lyme, be prepared to get a lot of "backtalk" about silver being a hoax!! Right Janis? Sparrow >> Thats right Sparrow but I am ready for it. Many times I have wanted to take some of our letters on this list and post them on the newsgroup but I didn't want to do it without permission from the people that wrote them. Even though I would leave their name and address off the letter. I really don't mind the backlash that bad though. I kind of expect it. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Another CS use...........
In a message dated 5/25/99 3:08:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mdev...@mail.id.net writes: << Do you suppose one could use it for aquarium fish that are > afflicted with bacteria? >> This is one area that I do have some expertise in. Mike is right about the CS being able to kill of the good bacteria in a biological filter in an aquarium. I have fish but since I have been making CS I haven't had any sick ones to test the CS on. Darn. I have thought of going to the pet shop and seeing if I could get some sick ones free of charge to experiment on. If I was going to do the CS treatment on sick fish I would make the hospital tank with a 10 gallon aquarium and only put the fish in for maybe an hour and then take it out and put it in another 10 gallon tank that was already cycled with good bacteria and then watch to see if there was improvement. An hour dip 2 or 3 times a day would be what I would try instead of leaving him in for a week. Because the water is going to get bad from his waste and no good bacteria to consume the ammonia that he would excrete. Many freshwater fish hobbists for ick have done salt water dips as the strong solution of salt for too long a period of time will kill the fish but short dips in salt water many times will take care of ick. For salt water though you wouldn't want to do but maybe 15 minutes and then they say to keep a watch on the fish and if he starts acting drunk or strange it is time to get him out. For salt water fish with disease they many times actually dip the fish in fresh water for a short period of time as the diseases that strike a salt water fish can not usually tolerate fresh water. If you do the special tank make sure the water temp you take the fish out of is the same as the water temp you put the fish into. As drastic temperature changes is also very harmful to the fish especially if he is ill already. Ooops didn't mean to get so detailed here. One of my greatest achievements though is breeding hundreds of freshwater angelfish from the egg to full grown and selling them to a local pet shop. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Somebody's been doing a great job...
Hey you all, It might be me. I can't remember right now if I have been remembering to give them the silver list request address. I get so excited when someone is interested in it I kind of forget. Sorry I will try to do better and remember next time. Lymebrain Here, Janis :-( -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS-moistened Toilet Paper
In a message dated 5/22/99 1:39:17 PM Central Daylight Time, a...@trail.com writes: > You would have to market it with a little heated container, otherwise, brrr... > > James Osbourne, Holmes > I wonder if a few drops of baby oil wouldn't kind of warm it up some. Or would the baby oil and the CS together be a bad combination? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>I`ll bet no one thought of THIS one...
Well Marsha, Your out of luck here on this experiment. Vascetomy here. Maybe I could go try to find a donor. LOL Wonder what kind of strange looks I would get for that one. Janis :-) > > >Hey, Listers, > >Has anyone ever tried to see what CS does to sperm?? > >They are one celled critters, after all... > >I wonder if CS could be the next great contraceptive. > >If I had a microscope and a hubby nearby, I`d try it... :o) > >Marsha > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver///Days 5-9
Valik, Jog my memory please. You are taking the Wateroz for yeast right or do you have lyme? I have noticed some of the same stuff you are although I have been making my own CS but I have ordered the Wateroz and it should be here next week. When I started taking the MSM last week the next day in the afternoon I went downhill in a flash and it took 2 days to start feeling human again. I keep telling myself it was die off and not the flu but boy it sure felt like the flu. My lungs felt raw and I ached all over. All I wanted to do was sleep. That last for about 2 days and now I have slowly gotten better. I have continued taking the silver I make and the MSM all this time. Keep us posted on how you do. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Help for Lymphoma
Dear List: A lady my husband works with has a mother that has been diagnosed with Lymphoma. She is doing chemotherapy and I am not sure what else. She would like to try the Colloidal Silver also. I know I have read somewhere that in cancer treatments the Colloidal Silver enhances the chemo therapy and makes recovery quicker. Can anyone tell me how much she should take and if there is any other good alternatives along with the CS. We are interested in the Rife machine but I haven't seen any directions on the web for making one. I just may not be looking in the right area though. I am on the Rife list but I don't feel comfortable enough to ask them things like I do on this list. Those folks seem really techie. LOL My husband is a Manufacturing Engineer and if someone could point me in the right direction we could easily make a Rife Machine I think. I also know that some on this list are also well versed in the Rife Machine and could possibly help a lot. Thanks for any help you can offer. By the way Mike he thought your letters on the gun control were excellent as you just said what he has been saying for years. Thanks for your help all, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: [Fwd: Uses of CS]
In a message dated 5/18/99 10:42:59 AM Central Daylight Time, trans...@aol.com writes: > Janis, > I"m sure that I cured my LYME with the CS. If you know its working for you, > where nothing else has, that's really all that matters. > Nick > Nick, Thank you for your letter. I am so glad Marsha, Donna, and you are on this list to help and support all of us. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Gratuitous Gun Control Comments
In a message dated 5/18/99 1:48:18 PM Central Daylight Time, mo...@inow.com writes: > In Los Gatos, CA over the weekend, two people were slaugtered with knives. > > Do we need, therefore, to outlaw knives? Just wondering > How about the mother that strangled her own child with an electrical cord? Do we outlaw all electrical cords too? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: [Fwd: Uses of CS]
I have refrained from joining this little discussion but sorry folks this guy is getting on my nerves. I was diagnosed with Chronic Lyme in Sept. of 97 and for many years I have had dark circles under my eyes and after only a week on CS most of that went away. I had been on lots of abx continuously all that time and they never lightened up the dark circles. I do have a tendency to believe that the silver killed a lot of bacteria that was draining me of iron as I was getting enough sleep and I was taking a lot of vitamins. The only thing I changed was taking the silver. No one now catches me and asks me why I have dark circles under my eyes anymore. It was happening at least once a week before and was so embarrassing. I even tried to get my makeup to cover it up but it didn't work. I also have suffered with periodontal disease for many years and have tried everything but nothing stopped it. Even 15 months of Doxycycline made it worse. After 3 weeks on CS that I make and swishing it in my mouth and swallowing my dental hygienist told me last week she didn't know what I was doing but to keep doing it as I had absolutely no signs of periodontal disease anymore. I hadn't even thought about the CS taking care of that problem but the only thing I can attribute it to is the silver as nothing else has changed. I am sure you will come up with a come back on this and that is fine I will not answer your letters as I know what I have seen and all your talk it just wasted breath. You do have your right to an opinion and I have mine. Now I am going for the biggy and hope to be able to join Marsha in her story of how I cured Lyme also with CS. This is just my 2 cents worth an thats all I am going to say about that. :-) Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: COmparing costs. . . . . .
Great Sparrow, I am glad you are having some good days. I hope things continue to just get better and better. Take care, Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
