CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2019 #11

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CS>Lugol's

[Barbara]

Just google, YouTube how to make Lugol's. You should be able to make a pint for 
somewhere around $35.

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[Barbara A.]

Since this is my first post, I'll introduce myself by saying I have my own
generator, an SG6 SilverGen. I have some questions regarding getting a
stronger ppm, but for now, I have another issue which came up tonight:

 

I have a friend who is trying to set me straight about using colloidal
silver. Here is her email to me:

Barb,

Had some time to look up this substance on a couple of trusted websites for
herbals and other things.

This is one we use in the health region.

I had some concerns as the consequences in using this substance are severe.

Just look under the herbs section.

Take care

Judy 



database 

Natural standard 

http://www.naturalstandard.com/naturalstandard/index.asp

 

I can't access the site without a subscription. Has anyone heard of it? 

It bothers me that she is only looking at sites her hospital uses for
research. When I told her I use colloidal for everything from a sore throat,
eye infections, cuts, use it on my animals, she told me "the placebo effect
of these alternative therapies is a remarkable thing".  

 

So I need some ammunition! Since she is very technical, a good published
study would be great!

 

Thanks. Barbara

 

Re: CS>Fw: Lest We Forget - rain water for CS?

[Barbara]

And please, don't forget about chemtrails and all the chemicals that 
are being sprayed on us.

Barbara



  Eeek!  Hmm, yeah!

  And I had forgotten that they say rain droplets form around 
particles of
  dust, anyway.  So no matter how clean the air above your home, 
there's
  dust in each drop.  What kind of dust? Depends on what got blown up
  there in that dust storm in that old abandoned mine site...

  Oh well.

  Rowena

 

Re: CS>Vitamin D

[Barbara]

Well, what can I saypoor people are always being 
kicked in the behind :( 

Barbara



  I guess that's alright if you can afford their 
  godawful high prices.

  Annie

  Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh

Re: CS>Vitamin D

[Barbara]

That's true.  The only one good company in US is Green Pastures.  They 
have naturally processed, fermented cod liver oil, that has natural 
vitamin A/D still in it.
http://www.greenpasture.org/retail/?t=products

WAPF chapter leader for Tampa Bay in Florida went out there to the 
plant and spent a day or two with the owner and she is recommending 
their Blue Ice, fermented CLO.

Barbara


  Most cod liver oils have their natural vitamins A/D stripped and are 
replaced by synthetics.  See the Weston A. Price web site for more 
info.


  www.westonaprice.org


  -- 
  Alan Jones

Re: CS>CS for dogs, again

[Barbara]

There is a group called K9Nutrition owned by Lew Olson who holds a PhD 
in natural health.  Here is an addy:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9Nutrition/?yguid=116429910

Really a good group and people are asking all kinds of health 
questions.

Barbara



  So sorry to write so much about dogs... can anyone suggest a good 
healthy holistic dog group maybe?

  Aldi

CS>Help needed

[Barbara]

Hi Everyone,

I have a friend with arterial pulmonary hypertention.  This is not 
COPD.  Actually, she's got constriction of arteries between heart and 
lungs.  Doctors don't know much about it, don't know how to treat it, 
it is rare and it may be congenital in her.  Even as a child she was 
out of breath often.

Would you guys have any thoughts for her?  Cayenne?

Barbara
 

CS>Homeschooling

[barbara magnatta]

THANK GOD it's legal again!  

Sincerely, Barb M.



- Original Message 
From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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Subject: RE: CS>MRSA and CS


The homeschooling decision was reversed in the state appeals court. As
of now, homeschooling is legal in California.
- Steve N

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Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>MRSA and CS

I just heard that homeschooling has become illegal in california, don't
know if it is true...

When my kids were little, I had a pretty good relationship with their
doc, I did not know about cs, and did not believe too much in the herbs
etc. It was when it all stopped working, I ran into the wall medically,
that I found the alternatives that worked. What an education!

I ended up getting them some shots, and not others, even their doc did
not agree with all the shots that were being recommended, and here, made
into law. I had to sign a form in front of a notary (why- to make sure I
am who I say I am, or just to put one more hurdle in to discourage me?),
but no problem. At times I thought I may have been the only thinking
mother in the school.

Was it here I read about the family that had to move to another state to
avoid the overzealous doc that wanted to use their poor kid as a lab rat
for cancer drugs? Who turned them over to the state when they did not
want to let him kill their child that way?  I guess he probably died
anyway, poor thing, but hopefully not tortured to death with their
experiments.  It sounded disturbingly like Nazi Germany

Oh well, no lack of big problems around right now. I am thinking of
stuffing my money in my mattress, or bury it around my house like my old
auntie used to do...

kathryn


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Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ?????????? to stewart

[Barbara]

I agree wholeheartedly with you, Carol Ann.  It really makes the group so much 
more interesting.  We also get a chance to get to know members from different 
sides.  I really like to stray from the topic occasionally :)

Barbara


  I rather enjoy the occasional tangents the list ventures into.  Because, I 
learn.  Even though I know enough about CS gratis the more knowledgeable people 
who generously share on a regular basis,  there is still more to learn.  But, 
that does not mean that there is only CS to learn about.  

  In part,  the multitude of interesting OTs that occassionally "pop up" ARE 
what contributes greatly to this lists success.   For sure, I've read things 
that are not of interest to me, but I also understand I have options available. 

  What else are people to doto invigorate, to keep viable the list?  Cease 
and desist all conversation if it is not CS related?   I suspect, the silence 
would at times be deafening.  

  The alleged lurkers, are charged with complaining about OT's.  Energy is  
reciprocal - a give and take exchange.   The more  prolific posters are 
constantly infusing energy  to the lists vitality.  Lurkerscontribute. If 
its CS your interested in only, the move the conversations to a place where 
your inquiries will be satisfied.by asking questions vs. just waiting for 
the answers to appear. The presumption would be that we are mind readers who 
should anticipate questions in advance. 

Re: CS>CS - Barbara

[Barbara]

I wish all people had such a deep understanding of life and life on Earth in 
particular.  Our planet would not be raped like it is now.  Unfortunately this 
is not a case and this will eventually lead to our demise.  

You must be watching Meerkat Manor...isn't this a greatest little animal on 
earth?  Well, after Cheetah, of course.. LOL 

I was crying and crying after Flower and Mozart died... 
Can't wait for the new season...

Barbara 



  Yes, Exactly.  Everything in a living system is  a matrix relevant  to 
something else. Tied into existence. So, what is the implication?  That 
ET/UFO's have through thousands of years of observation adopted our behavior - 
as to how we treat the lower intelligence level animals.  A percentage of 
humans who have evolved to a more compassionate species have come to the 
realization that we cannot over hunt, over fish; continue to pollute or let 
populations run rampant - thus initiated species management? A natural 
progression, the beginning stages of what Sages call "enlightenment" - greater 
respect for all sentient beings?

  The thought of being relegated to not much more than bugs under an ET's 
microscope is chilling. But, why not?  Humans tend towards arrogance with 
regard to their sense of self importance in the grand scheme of things. 
Remember when people thought Earths Sun was the center of the Universe and the 
World was flat. 

  Always the manipulating, curious species, we are.  We stick high tech cameras 
into insect fortifications, observe unknown marine life in the most remote 
ocean abysses, and send exploration missions into space.  It is how we learn.   
ET's just learning  about our species in similar manner, or  manipulating?   
Who knows - a rhetorical. 

  Regardless, it would be the height of arrogance to think that Humans, as a 
species, are the only ones  entitled to seek information,   or privy to 
knowledge about our environment. 

  Perhaps, we are their wild life show. They are the galactic botanists, 
microbiologists documenting.  Creeping around in the proverbial bushes with 
their cameras, hovering  their spacecrafts  over the herds causing stampedes 
and scarring the you know what out of us big ole elephants in the wild life 
management preserves;  sedating with dart guns to tag, transport and track. 
Maybe, they are just leaving us to our own, inevitable, extinction.  Maybe, we 
are just a small bunch of Meerkats in the scheme of things. 

  Life - is rather ridiculous when you think of  through  eyes of arrogance, 
superiority and self-importance only. 

Re: CS> UFO Sightings - Thank You

[Barbara]

You are a lucky person, Connie... wish I was there with you.. :) 

Barbara


  Myself I saw my first UFO in Security, Colorado while stationed at Cheyenne 
Mtn, Co.  My neighbor and I had gone to the grocery store when we got out of 
the car we looked up and saw the most beautiful lights...  they were green and 
red but not like anything I ever seen before and as quickly as it was there it 
was gone.   
  connie

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

Well, if you don't know enough about the subject but want to learn, you have to 
just lurk and learn by reading what others, smarter have to say.  If I started 
sending shallow messages like 'OK', 'I got it', or 'Me too', just to be active, 
someone would complain too.  Better to lurk and be quiet.

Barbara



  Now I know why Barbara lurks.
  But list wise it is always a little vampirish to lurk around waiting to suck 
something new up. 
  
   

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

The thing is Ken, that I'm on top, not in the hole... LOL

Barbara



  Barbara
   There's a saying, when you find yourself in a hole .
 STOP DIGGING

Re: CS>CS - Barbara

[Barbara]

Carol Ann, 

I do watch all the nature programs, probably saw them all.  I'm very familiar 
with the plight of a Cheetah that are so inbred that 85% of their genes are 
identical.  It is surprising that they are not extinct yet.  I know of a Polar 
Bear problems with the global warming.  I know about bees being disoriented by 
the pesticides and dying by the millions.  And I do realize that if the bees 
will go extinct so will we.  I know about the assault that humans unleash on 
the Earth.  In a way I agree with the powers that be that there are too many 
people on earth, do not agree with their method of genocide though.  

The thought of ETs treating us like we treat animals is really chilling.  But 
then, we ARE less intelligent and advanced than they are... :(  Wonder what are 
their plans for us I don't think they want us extinct because the do have 
means to do us in if they wanted to, right?  They are visiting and observing 
humans for eons but we are still here.  I loved the books of Erich von Daniken, 
read them all...LOL  Very easy reading.  

Anyway, I wish I saw a UFO but never did.  Too bad... 

Barbara



  Barbara, you are right on point re the "coming to take a look at us, 
Earthlings." :)  

  Have you ever watched the wild life shows wherein naturalists, 
microbiologists, geneticists, environmental specialists, etc work as teams, 
tagging and tracking animals.  They monitor a species migration patterns, 
habitat, mating rituals, the societies hierarchy, health, etc. etc...to 
determine longevity and/or which species are facing extinction.  

  Sometimes, they intervene by  pass poaching regulations, cross/selective 
breeding, etc and sometimes they let nature takes it course simply because 
there is  nothing that can be done.  The Ice Caps, native habitat to the Polar 
Bear, are melting. They   the Polar cannot exist in the wild anywhere else on 
Earth.  I was watching a special on the nature channel that basically 
concluded,  Polar Bears are facing total extinction within the next 100 years.

  What or who is to say that ETs do not have similar objectives.  That they are 
simply monitoring us as a species in the ways human scientists do with animals. 
 Its a 24/7 job taking place, from the deepest rain forests and tropics to the 
Antarctic.  I know, its a rather disheartening, dastardly idea, that humans, to 
the ET's,  could be nothing more than an interest or curiosity.  That what we 
ourselves do to animals that we consider to be lower, less intelligent life 
forms on planet earth, ET's are doing with us. 

  Then again, when a species disappears or is threatened with extinction, the 
eco system as a whole, and our lives, are affected.  To some extent, seriously. 
With profound consequences.  The Honey Bee is a great example.   It could also 
be that if humans do become extinct, be it from their own stupid foolishness 
and folly, ie. war/weapons of mass destruction, Somehow, the ET's existence 
will be greatly affected as well.   As the honey bee is a totality of Earths 
microcosm, so are humans to the health and well being of the Galaxy, or 
Universe. 

  Perhaps, certain ET's have a vested interest in our survival.  Perhaps, among 
them or their species, there are poachers? 

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

YOU TOO! 




  GET A LIFE!!

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ?????????? to stewart

[Barbara]

That's it.  Lurkers do not ask any questions, do not give any answers, do not 
help to keep the group on topic, but only know how to demand.... 

Barbara

  Hi Stewart, 
  What are your questions?  I will cease and desist immediately/completely from 
responding to any off topic subjects not directly related to CS...to answer 
your CS questions to the best of my ability. If I cannot full fill your 
expectations, my answers fall short or are incorrect, surely, others will 
correct me and  give you their undivided attention as well. 

  Shoot. 

Re: CS>lurkers- UNITE!

[Barbara]

How about active members unite and don't let lurkers dictate the rules? 
They do not deserve such privilegeLOL..... 

Barbara 



  Just kidding, I couldn't resist.

Re: CS>CS - Barbara

[Barbara]

Of course I don't know about other lurkers but I'm quite interested in UFO 
sightings.  I believe that they exist and are coming to take a look at us, 
Eathlings.  
I hope Mike will be patient enough and let you all who have interesting things 
to say about UFOs go on a little longer :)  

Barbara



  Hmmm. The UFO postings seem to have hit a raw nerve with a few folks.  As 
a matter of routine, topics come and go, without too much dissent or 
complaining, even from the lurkers.  Seems interesting that UFO subj matter has 
evoked stirrings from folks who never seemed to have posted much in the past, 
or at all. 

  There have been other off topics that have gone much 
longerwithouthearing the rattle of squeaky wheels.  

  Now, ya'll  know, deep down in your hearts, somewhere in your heads, that we 
ain't gonna make them  UFO's go poof and away..
  [well, maybe, at the least,  lists mod can :) ]  because they may not share 
similar  interest in CS.  

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

And what is so worthwhile that YOU have to say?

Barbara



  Well Barbara, I think you need to "lurk" longer until at least you have 
something worthwhile to add?   

Re: CS>lurkers- UNITE!

[Barbara]

LOL

Barbara



  Me too...
  Chuck

  Dyslexics of the world, untie!
   Together we can trip up the world 

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

Probably better than you because I belong to this group and 19 others and do 
not complain.

Barbara



  Barbara:
  As a hallowed member of your elitist group, have you figured out how to use 
your delete button?

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

Thank you for the welcome because I am a lurker too.  The difference between me 
and other lurkers is that I do not demand anything, I'm only listening to what 
active members are talking about. 

Barbara 



  Maybe a lurker hasn't learned enough yet to have anything to contribute.  
Welcome all lurkers.  Faith G.

Re: CS>CS - Barbara

[Barbara]

I'm a lurker too.  And because I am a lurker, I do not normaly voice my opinion 
because I feel I don't have any rights to it. 
But it is my pet peeve when a lurker just sits there behind the screen and 
never contributes to the list but is a first to jump out to complain.   

Barbara 



  I am a lurker, myself.  Since when did YOU become the moderator?  Cathy 

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

And why not?  

Barbara



  If that was the case why have a list?
  Dave

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

If you contribute nothing to the group being a lurker why did you think you 
have ANY rights?

Barbara



  Huh? Is this a list rule? Since when? 

  So, it's okay to talk on endlessly about everything 
  EXCEPT colloidal silver, but don't dare let a "lurker" 
  interphere! Dang.

  signed,
  Newbie LURKER (Oh, do newbies have any rights?)

Re: CS>CS - UFO Sightings ??????????

[Barbara]

Lurkers have no rights to voice their opinions.  If they are not active, they 
have to take whatever comes their way. 
If you want the list go your way, start posting about CS and it is guaranteed 
to discuss the CS.  
Just my opinion.

Barbara



  I am one of the groups major lurkers. I joined this group several
  years ago and have learned much from it.
  BUT, try as I may, I can't seem to find the connection
  between CS and UFO Sightings.
  Do the ALIENS have a better way of making CS than we do ???
  Could someone HELP me to understand it.
  Thank you,
  Jerry

Re: CS>Raw to wayne ( some far out ideas )

[Barbara]

BT stands for Bacillus thuringiensis so it is a bacteria and not any bug 
juices.  BT works by paralyzing caterpillars guts so they stop eating and die.  

Now, bug juices purpose is to kill the bugs with their own viruses and/or 
bacterial diseases that they carry.  Every living thing is carrying their own 
germs.  This is completely different approach than BT.  And yes, the bug juice 
AND BT were popularized by "Organic Gardening" a magazine published by Rodale.  

Barbara 




  Oh my,
  That was an old Rodale publications hint for destroying garden pests: To rid 
an infestation of say, japanese beetles, collect a quantity by picking and 
blend them in water.
  Spray the suffering crop with a diluted solution.

  The underlying theory being, a pest carries its own parasites that can be 
used against it.

  Must be effective if they do it commercially.

  Chuck
  I ruined my hands in the ring ... the referee kept stepping on them." 

Re: CS>raw to wayne

[Barbara]

Raw milk is full of beneficial bacteria that will be killed by CS along with 
the bad ones.  It is not a good way to go.  

Barbara



  You could always put some CS in it Zeb.  This will 'keep' it a lot longer. 
  Dee  

Re: CS>raw to wayne

[Barbara]

I know this was for Wayne but I just want to comment on this one issue. 

I drink raw milk for several years and I kept it for 25 days and even after 
that time the milk is still as sweet and fresh as it was on the first day.  If 
your milk goes sour so quickly that means it is an old milk already when you 
buy it.  Try to get your milk from somewhere else and let them know why you 
will not be buing it any more.  

Barbara


   Raw milk is hard because it comes in such big bottles and it goes bad 
quickly so it never gets finished before it gets sour.

Re: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

[Barbara]

Lions and all cats large and small do not even eat an empty stomach!  They 
neatly cut the stomach out of the prey body and take it aside.  They are more 
fussy than wolves.  

The pride leader is a female, not a male.  The males' reign is usually short 
lived, two or three years and are then replaced by the younger males.  The 
females in the pride are all related and the female cubs never leave the pride. 
 

Barbara



  I suspect it came from the Animal Planet shows about lions and large cats, 
who do prefer the stomach and contents.  The entrals included.  the pride 
leader (usually grandpa) gets first shot at the entrals...

Re: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

[Barbara]

If I could have my way, I would ORDER everyone to feed the dogs, cats and 
ferrets with the diet that is appropriate for carnivores that they are.  That's 
how sure I am of what is a best nutrition for them. Yes, we all are animals and 
we all had to pass (or fail in the case of extinctions) the trial of time and 
evolution.  I'm sure you know that nature is the harshest critic of the 
species.  Since the wolves survived for 1.5 million years, they must be getting 
perfect nutrition, don't you think?  Dogs are subspecies of the wolf, they are 
Canis lupus familiaris.  Their perfect nutrition is 80% meat, 10% bones and 10% 
organ meats.  That's all they need to be optimally fed.  

Vets have all but few hours of training about nutrition that is done by Hill's 
Foods representative.  Do you think that they know anything about dogs' 
nutrition?  

This is also the last post of mine on that matter. 

Barbara




  Do you realize you have just accused me of abusing my dear beloved pet, just 
because I have come to a different conclusion than you have on the subject of 
feeding?

  If you have intentially done this, knowing I am not about to change my 
  mind or opinion on the subject, then you are guilty of knowingly 
  hurting the feelings of one of those same dear ones that you are trying 
  to protect. Are we not all animals? Are we not only the older brothers 
  and sisters of the animal kingdom?

  As far as the subject goes, don't you think it is possible that you 
  don't have all the information on the subject? There are many things 
  that Man does not know, can not know. We can't follow all the canines in the 
world around to see what they eat. There are many good reasons to feed dogs  a 
vegetarian diet. The vets I have consulted on this have rendered their decision 
that my dog is well fed and healthy, and complimented me on my dog's coat and 
health before they had a clue what I fed her. They said, "whatever it is, keep 
it up, it's working for her."

  I would appreciate it if you would not attack me personally. That is 
  definitely abuse.

  Dee has said that this subject might be better left alone (thanks for 
  the reminder), and that reminds me that Mike asked us once before to 
  drop it from the list. So that is what I am going to do.

  Kathryn

Re: CS>Maximizing Dog Health....now meat vs veg - OT

[Barbara]

It is well documented by Dr. David Mech who studied wolves for decades.  

Barbara



  Actually, I argued this on another list but apparently it is not the case. 
  Wolves and wild dogs leave the stomach behind when they eat a carcass and
  this is apparently well documented, but where I don't know.  Kay on the
  silverpets list has all the info on this.  I think dogs would naturally eat
  raw meat, but may occasionally eat vegetable matter for whatever reason, but
  I don't think it would be their food of choice.  However, people will never
  agree on this subject so its best left alone I think.  Dee 

Re: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

[Barbara]

Contrary to the popular belief, wolves do not eat the contents of the large 
prey's stomachs.  And dogs are subspecies of wolves. 

According to Dr. David Mech who spent several decades studying wolves and is 
world authority on them, they open the stomach, shake the contents out and eat 
just the stomach itself.  I read all the books by Dr. Mech and he gave several 
accounts how they eat their prey. I don't know where that notion of eating the 
stomach contents came from but certainly not from Dr. Mech.  Wolves also do not 
eat small rodents unless starving, but that would be the only instance that 
they would eat a stomach contents.  

Barbara


  The page at http://dogsobediencetraining.com/info/learn_dog_wiki.htm 
  makes a good point.  Although canines are carnivores, in the wild they 
  get a good bit of vegetable matter because they would eat the contents 
  of the stomach of their prey. If fed only meat, then they are not 
  getting this which would normally been a natural part of their diet.  
  Thus to duplicate what they would have gotten in the wild, they should 
  also be fed prechewed vegetable matter which is similar to what their 
  prey would have normally eaten.

  Marshall

Re: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

[Barbara]

Thank you Teri, I'm of the same opinion.  It is terrible to force a carnivorous 
animals to live on plant matter.  It is a form of abuse. 

Barbara


  They may adapt and survive but it is good healthy nutrition??  Dogs are 
carnivores.  In a perfect world those who do as you do and feed a vegan diet to 
dogs would be charged with animal cruelty.  Dogs do use plants as medicines so 
I don't question their ability to benefit from a particular plant.  How sad 
that you would force your dog to follow your lifestyle.

  Teri

  Teri Johnston
  Fireside Welsh Springer Spaniels
  www.welshspringers.com
  Young Living Essential Oil
  Distributor #935975
  Natures Pharmacy 

Re: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

[Barbara]

Your dog is not a vegan, your dog is being forced to be a vegan.  Your dog just 
like my dogs is a carnivore.  Unfortunately for your dog it is at your mercy.  
Would you feed a horse steaks and red meat?  To deprive the dog of the proper 
diet is just as bad as forcing a horse or a cow to eat meat.  

Barbara



  I take issue with this, as my dog and many I know are vegan, and do very well 
on the diet, which includes some raw veges.

  Dogs seem to be like people in that they can adapt to a their 
  environment to a great degree.

Re: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

[Barbara]

Hi Brooks, 

I agree with what you said but also want to point out that there is nothing in 
the plant matter that the dogs can not get in meat, bones and organs.  Meat, 
bones and organ meats are the complete nutrition that dogs need to thrive.  

Barbara



  Hello Barbara, 
  Your observations about carbohydrate requirements are quite well taken. 
However, without being confrontational, one point might be of value to list 
members..while canines are carnivores, unlike felines they are not obligate 
carnivores. That is, many do exhibit the ability to partially digest various 
forms of carbohydratesincluding forms of unprocessed vegetative matter. I 
state this not to be argumentive, but to NOT encourage persons feeding their 
dogs certain vegetable forms..to cease just because dogs can do well 
without them. The reason being that this ability to extract useful portions of 
beneficial juice-borne compounds from certain classes of vegetative 
matter-has demonstrated to be vital in some health cases. This condition 
stands as useful quite beyond nutritional considerations.especially 
considering possible pathogenic, parasitic and toxic insults. Lacking this 
ability, it would be fruitless to give them substances similar! to kelp meal. 
  Thank you for your commentary. Brooks. 

  br>

Re: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost

[Barbara]

I have four Chihuahuas and I feed 100% raw diet since 1998. 
Your adding the real food to your dogs diet is great but I will say that adding 
cooked oatmeal is not necessary because they already have the carbs in kibble.  
Dogs being carnivores have no need for carbohydrates at all.  

Libby's story is a great example what good diet can do to get rid of cancer.  
You didn't say if Libby gets her chicken in addition to her kibble or is she 
eating it as her only food.  Either way it is a great triumph and a testimony 
for the REAL foods.  

Barbara


  Our present, daily diet, regimen includes: 1.25 cups of a 38% meat product 
dry food, 1.5 cups of 70/30 raw milk/homogenized mix, 1/2 cup cooked oatmeal, 
7-to-8 oz raw chicken quarter, 1/4 cup whole fish (canned product), one large 
dry dog biscuit, one tablespoon marine kelp, one tablespoon 5 ppm CS, 1 
teaspoon brewers yeast, one One-a-Day type 
  vitamin pill (crushed). All of the dogs are in peak health and look like 
slick seals. 
  Our vet bills have diminished from around $3000.00 per year circa 2000 
A.D..to 
  essentially, nothing in 2007-primarily (we believe) because of their 
diet. 

  Sincerely, Brooks Bradley

Re: CS>Lauric acid -OT-Candida-coconuts-infant formula-the kitchen sink

[Barbara]

Cashew butter tastes better and mixed with coconut oil is even tastier :)

Barbara


  I mix coconut oil, peanut butter, and honey as a snack and energy 
  food.  Usually eat about 1 pint per week. I am always running out of peanut 
  butter.

  Wayne

Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Barbara]

Thank you for sharing, Ruth :)  Looks like it is much more fiber than Benefiber 
which you have to take two teaspoons to get 3g of fiber.  I will look for that 
:) 

Barbara



  Hi, Barbara, I found Fiber-sure a Clear-Mixing Fiber Supplement. sugar free, 
25 calories per 1 tsp . serving, can be taken 3 times a day. The tsp. should be 
heaping. Total carbs 6 grams, Dietary fiber 5 grams, Soluble fiber 5 grams. 
That is in each heaping teaspoon or each dose.  If you take it 3 times a day, 
you would get 15 grams of fiber.Flavor free, grit free, non-thickening. Active 
ingredients: Inulin, natural vegetable fiber. 
  Distributed by Proctor and Gamble,  Made in Belgium. www.fibersure.com. Mix 
with room temperature liquid or mashed vegetables, etc. The Inulin thing struck 
me in a positive way due to other posts on Eskimo.com about its value.  They 
suggested starting with once a day and working up, but since we have been using 
fiber for longer, not sure if that would be necessary, still 
  this product does have alot of fiber per dose. Glad to share. Ruth
  P.S. I haven't tried it yet.  Am using up my unifiber which is also 
  something you can mix with other foods, but hasn't nearly as much fiber per 
dose.
  From Ruth Strackbein

Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Barbara]

That's great, Ruth :)  I'm glad something helped you! 
Can you share what did you find?  

Barbara




  Hi, Barbara,  I didn't buy the Benefiber after all,  found a different one 
that works similarly but does not have wheat.  But thanks , anyway, your 
message sent me looking for something different.  Ruth

  From Ruth Strackbein

Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Barbara]

I do not have any problems with Benefiber because I have no 
alergies and no gluten intolerances.  

Barbara




  http://www.helpforibs.com/supplements/benefiber_change.asp


  Benefiber Change

  As of July 2006, Benefiber has announced that all of their products will no 
longer contain partially hydrolized guar gum. Benefiber will now be made from 
wheat dextrin. According to a phone representative at Novartis, the makers of 
Benefiber, this decision was made to allow for smaller dosages and for a higher 
profit margin. Benefiber guar gum provided 3 grams of soluble fiber per 
tablespoon, whereas Benefiber wheat dextrin provides 1.5 grams of soluble fiber 
per teaspoon (there are three teaspoons in one tablespoon).

  I do not know how wheat dextrin compares to guar gum as a soluble fiber 
supplement for Irritable Bowel Syndrome. I would not assume that the wheat 
dextrin in Benefiber is safe for people with wheat allergies or gluten 
intolerance disorders such as celiac.

Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Barbara]

I'm taking it for last 6 weeks or so and it works.  Like you 
I eat no grains and no sugar so this fiber sounded good 
to me and it really is.  I hope you will try it.

Barbara 




  Hi, Barbara, Thanks for your link.  Sounds like good information.  I haven't 
  eaten any wheat or barley products for the past three years.  I thought at 
  one time that I might have celiac, but I really doubt that that is my 
  problem.  Was tested, but only after having been on the diet for 8 months, 
  so tests were inconclusive.  And the diet I chose to use is a healthy one.  
  Eliminates all the flour products whose value has been compromised by 
  manufacturers. But this would possibly be a better choice than the current 
  ones I have tried.  Actually no bulk producing product has ever given me 
  relief.  I have taken most of them for months at a time in past years, not 
  recently. They just tend to stop things up faster.  However, I am working 
  with this surgeon who is trying very hard to help me avoid surgery.  He 
  isn't particular which fiber med I use, just so I use one. Again , thanks.  
  This evening I'll go to your link.  Ruth

  From Ruth Strackbein

Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Barbara]

Hi Ruth, 

Even better is the one called BENEFIBER.  It contains 100% wheat dextrin and 
nothing else.  Here is a site. 

http://www.benefiber.com/products/index.shtml?benefiberPowders 

Barbara




  Hi, Kathryn, I said awhile back that I would not reply anymore. I will 
  however , but will avoid anatomy references where possible.  Sometimes a bit 
difficult. I have found a different fiber med called Unifiber which contains 
Cellulose, cornsyrup solids and Xanthem gum.  That isn't much better than the 
others, but easier to use and doesn't burn.  Ruth

  From Ruth Strackbein

Re: CS> Colon and Coconut Oil

[Barbara]

Rowena, just to add a link to your message, here is a free book on line by Mary 
Enig PhD on fats which she studied for over 30 years.  Everything anyone wanted 
to know about fats.  This link is taken from that group. 

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html  

Barbara




  For a web search VCNO, Bruce Fife, Mary Enig, would be good search strings 
for a start.  Or, if you like, I could send you some of my saved documents 
which are configured in such a way as to use the least amount of paper if 
printed.

  There are just so many good things to say about VCNO - and apparently, even 
solidified copra-derived coconut oil, with all its faults, would have been 
safer for the world than the multitudinous vegetable oils which pushed it off 
its perch.

  For anyone who wants a VCNO forum: 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coconut_oil_open_forum

  Rowena 

Re: CS>Building strong blood Vessels

[Barbara]

Thank you Margaret for that post :)  I never knew about Hawthorn. 

Barbara



  Hello Listers , 
  To the question  re : How do we build strong blood vessels : Look to the herb 
'Hawthorn . Hawthorn Berries


Hawthorn is traditionally known for its strong and powerful effect on the 
circulatory system, particularly the heart. It has been used for centuries with 
great success, especially in Europe. Even today it remains a favorite among 
herbalists as a cardiac tonic. Hawthorn is valued for nourishing blood pressure 
and circulation. When used on a regular, long-term basis hawthorn exerts a 
continued protection to the cardiovascular system. 

Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[Barbara]

Wayne, 

If this is all I have to do to build strong blood vessels, then I don't have to 
worry about it at all.  I do eat healthy and also take vitamins because as you 
say in your last paragraph, our food quality deteriorated in last several 
decades.  
Thank you for replying to me.

Barbara



  Evening Barbara,

  Glad you agree it is a crime.

  If you are already working hard on nutrition, building a strong body, a 
strong immune system, and health, you are already building strong blood vessels.


  Vitamin C is near the top of the list.  Seems I have read the lining of the 
blood vessels must be rebuilt ever 160 days.

  Considering the deteriorated food supply, it may be impossible to get enough 
nutrients from the food available to you.

  I did not write the two blocks below.
  Wayne

Re: CS>Salt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[Barbara]

So, how do I build strong blood vessels? 
Are you joining the doctors in crime by not telling us?

Barbara



  The blood vessels are 10 times as strong as they need to be.
  Weak blood vessels causes strokes.

  How many genius doctors ever told anyone how to build strong blood 
  vessels?   I consider this one of the greatest crimes of doctors.
  What should be done with them?  I hate to put it in writing.

  Wayne

Re: CS>Fwd: smart dog

[Barbara]

This is Skidboot, one of the greatest dogs ever :)

Barbara



  I wonder if this dog has been fed silver water?
  sure looks like he can think pretty good



  http://www.ebaumsworld.com/smartdog.html



  Day Sutton
  day.sut...@gmail.com 

Re: CS>Vegetarianism, Indians, Soy dangers

[Barbara]

You are very right Rowena :)   The word is spreading and that is what we want :)

Barbara


  I think anyone who has been seriously researching health topics on the net, 
or receives newsletters from health groups, or participates in health related 
forums (especially this one) is sure to have come across this subject.  And you 
have just made sure that any new people who haven't, also are alerted.  The 
sharing continues.
  Rowena 

Re: CS>help with puppies and parasite

[Barbara]

What controversy?  Feeding raw, species appropriate diet?  
Or do you mean that dogs may not do good on kibble?  I'm not sure what you 
mean...

Barbara 




  I would agree totally with that Barbara but am loth to say it because it 
seems to spark off controversy, plus its OT again. Dee 

   

  I would put them on 100% raw diet if they were mine. They may not do good on 
kibble. EVO is very high in fat which may also affect their stools. 

   

  Barbara 

Re: CS>Vegetarianism, Indians

[Barbara]

Short of soy(beans) :)

Barbara




  I thought it was soy(a) Dee 

   

Re: CS>Vegetarianism, Indians

[Barbara]

Thank you Jodi :)  It feels much better to have company.  
I myself never used soy but I read about the dangers so I warn people whenever 
the occasion presents itself.  

Barbara 



  Barbara -  you are not alone.  I wholeheartedly agree with you, Sol and Dee 
(did I miss anyone?  hope not).   Jodi

Re: CS>help with puppies and parasite

[Barbara]

I would put them on 100% raw diet if they were mine.  They may not do good on 
kibble.  EVO is very high in fat which may also affect their stools.  

Barbara



  I have an issue here with 2 puppies that cannot give me a good poop.. its 
always soft.. once and a while I have drops of blood in the end of the poop.. I 
have had them on DE for a week.. and also some CS in there water, and give them 
probiotics every morning.. they get some Innova Evo in the morning and chicken 
necks at night/...
  I did deworm them with Safeguard since I had a puppy that left here and had 
Giardia when he got to his new parents home.. so now I've given them SAfeguard 
which I HATE.. and given them something for Coccidia also.. S-125 also that I 
hate giving them.. but seems like nothing is working on them.. they are still 
having mushy stools ..ok so today I take in a stool sample and my vet calls me 
back telling me that she sees something .. an egg of something but doesn't know 
what it is
  again both puppies are almost 12 weeks old.. and are still on Safeguard one 
more time since Sunday.. NOW WHAT CAN I DO>>>> I need help here... I don't know 
what to do with them anymore... they are also eating fine.. 
  if someone can give me pointers .. help or something... I would certainly 
appreciate this... 


  Nathalie
  www.mystykalsky.com
  www.elitehavanese.com
  www.freewebs.com/mystykalsky/

Re: CS>Vegetarianism, Indians

[Barbara]

 
Barbara



  SOY!  ..I mean BOO!

  Dan


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Re: CS>Vegetarianism, Indians

[Barbara]

Thank you sol for that post.  I felt like I'm the only one here who knows the 
dangers of soy.  You are so right that it is very hard to avoid it but by using 
only whole foods and nothing processed we can do it.  Soy should not be 
consumed by any living thing.  

Barbara 



 Heat and processing alone does not render soy truly safe. It takes 
  fermentation to rid it of some of its anti-nutrients. And in any case I 
  don't think processing removes or inactivates the phytoestrogens, which 
  are problematic as well as the anti-nutrients.
  There is a big difference in consuming small amounts of fermented soy 
  products, and the extremely heavy consumption we now suffer. Soy is 
  difficult to avoid, and becomes more ubitquitous in processed foods all 
  the time. Soy interferes with mineral metabolism and vitamin metabolism 
  and the phytoestrogens mess up one's endocrine system.
  It is difficult even to find a real fermented soy sauce these days, even 
  though labels claim otherwise.
  I am solidly in the camp of the Weston Price folks on soy.
  sol

Re: CS>Soybeans detrimental to everyone's health

[Barbara]

Morning Wayne,

Your diet is great because you have that milk and eggs and that dreadful soy 
powder protein is only in addition to your diet.  
Since you grew up on milk and eggs and also because you are in the sun all day, 
you are healthy.  You are healthy in spite of eating soybeans. 

Barbara 




  Morning Barbara, and the List,

Re: CS>Vegetarianism, Indians and soy

[Barbara]

I feel sorry for all those millions of people who trust the government and 
think that soy is a "health" food :(  Nothing can be farther from the truth!  
And I also feel bad seeing those soy products in every health food store.  I 
understand that they carry what people are buying but I see it as a betrayal of 
their customers rather than catering to them.  HFSs should be educating their 
customers not just making money off of them.  JMO.

Barbara 



I have to agree Barbara, also read all Mercola has to say about soya.  Dee  




 

Re: CS>Vegetarianism, Indians and soy

[Barbara]

Please, everyone, don't ever eat or drink anything made of soybeans!  Soybeans 
are detrimental to everyone's health.  They draw the calcium out of the bones 
making them brittle and interfere with the thyroid workings.  This is just for 
the starters.  The only soybeans products that are marginally OK are the 
fermented miso and tempeh.  Here is what Weston Price Foundation has to say 
about this dreadful food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/darkside.html 

Barbara 




  They can give you some *major* gas- not very digestible when raw.

  I made some excellent soymilk according to some instructions I got from 
  a sweet Chinese woman. Unfotunately, due to the language barrier, I 
  misunderstood some of her signals, and we drank it raw, it tasted 
  pretty good, but my son, who drank nearly a full 8 oz glass, nearly 
  burst from the gas. LOL- it still makes me laugh, we were all pretty 
  full of it.

  After thinking for quite awhile about the conversation, and reviewing 
  my notes, I realized she told me to bring it to a rolling boil, 
  stirring all the while, 3 times before drinking it warm.

  needless to say, my boys didn't trust me to make soy milk again.

  Kthryn

Re: CS>Pet Food

[Barbara]

Jodi,

I'm definitely not an expert but I feed my Chihuahuas raw meat and bones for 9 
years.  Juat want to say that only raw bones are safe as they do not splinter.  
Any cooked bones are not safe so do not feed them to you dog, no matter the 
size (of dog or bone... LOL)  

Also want to point out that anything in the world can be dangerous when you 
have an accident.  Dogs died from eating bones and also died from eating 
kibble.  The life has no guarantees. 

Barbara



  Uh oh.  I was told raw bones were good.  Can one of the experts here on raw 
feeding tell me for sure if they are okay or not?   I've been giving my dog raw 
chicken legs along with some Pedigree canned and it seems he's been doing fine 
on them, but.?

  Jodi

Re: CS>Re: veg diet

[Barbara]

I agree with you Charles wholeheartedly.  After reading "The Secret Life of 
Plants" I couldn't look at them the same any more and that was decades ago...

Barbara 


  Ain't gonna happen. I don't see what the fuss is about. Plants are 
  living creatures too, and they also have an awareness of sorts - again, there 
is nothing morally superior about limiting your diet to plant based foods. 

Re: CS>low sodium on blood test

[Barbara]

Hi Ruth,

Maybe you don't really have to eat, solid foods, that is.
You know, raw milk is very therapeutic and there are people in the US 
who are living on nothing but raw milk and this for different reasons.  
There is a man in Iowa, in his 50s, who damaged his digestive system as 
a 2 year old, who to this day  can not eat any solid food but lives on 
raw milk.  It has to be raw milk, he would be dead if he tried to live 
on that store bought, pasteurized and homogenized thing.  Maybe you 
could try this before you go under knife?


I have more info if you are interested.

Barbara



ruth strackbein wrote:
  Sometimes I think if I didn't have to eat at all I would be just 
fine, but, of course, that is impossible!   
Ruth







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CS>Fw: WAPF Info Alert: Mandatory Almond Pasteurization

[Barbara]

MANDATORY ALMOND PASTEURIZATION

All Almonds will be Pasteurized starting 2007!

No label allowing "truly raw almonds"

Almonds labeled as "Raw Almonds" will still have been pasteurized!

A big lie and fraud!! You are about to be denied your food freedom choices!

Didyou know that starting in the fall of 2007, truly raw almonds will notbe 
available in the USA or Canada? See link below for thepasteurization plan. 

http://www.almondboard.com/Programs/content.cfm?ItemNumber=890&snItemNumber=450

The FDA, USDA and the California Almond Board has developed a marketing order 
which mandates that all almonds must be pasteurized. This came about because " 
two outbreaks of salmonella, associated with conventional farms several years 
ago". Industry has now overreacted in grand fashion and they do not even know 
it yet.

No outbreaks have been associated with raw organic almonds to date that we are 
aware of. 

This has everything to do with lack of biodiversity and the sterile farming 
methods used on conventional farms. On these farms few weeds or grasses grow on 
the floors and little sunlight reaches the floors. To the contrary, Organic 
farms support and encourage biodiversity with green floors in the orchards and 
this discourages pathogen growth. Unfortunately, organic almonds are shelled 
and bagged on the sameproduction facilities as conventional and are being 
subjected to the same rules. 

There is an even bigger issue. The FDA has decided not to tell the consumer the 
truth about this processing step. The almonds you will buy in Wholefoods this 
fall may still say "raw almonds but they will have been subjected to high heat 
and a five log kill step...that they are calling Pasteurization". This lie is 
being permitted by the marketing order!!

The FDA in association with the USDA and the Almond Board is in fact denying 
you the information required to make informed choices when you buy food. You 
will not be able to identify a pasteurized almond from a truly raw whole, 
enzyme rich, unprocessed almond. 

The almond board claims that the almonds will still sprout ( still some life in 
them ) and that the flavor does not change. But yet no research has been 
performed to see what kind of opportunistic bacteria will take over when the 
almond has been sterilized. It is not a whole natural food anymore. It will now 
be a processed food. Millions of dollars are being invested to install 
expensive pasteurization machines in all Almond plants in order to follow this 
"sterile foods are better foods edict". 

Demand that your source of organic raw almonds be exempted from this short 
sighted food safety debacle. 

Demand that a label be permitted that identifies "truly raw almonds" and if 
required even put a warning label on them. Also demand that pasteurized almonds 
be identified as well. It seems that every time a government warning is applied 
to a food, that in itself becomes a certification that that is the food you 
should eat. 

It is very clear that the FDA does not understand the origins of the massive 
immunedepression epidemic in America. A sterilized diet makes for a weakened 
immune system. FDA website http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/795_antibio.html  
explains antibiotic resistance quite well, but ignorantly and blindly never 
mentions pro-biotics which prevent disease and infections. Whole unprocessed 
living foods are in this category of foods. 

Weakened immune systems are associated directly with cancer, osteoporosis, 
asthma, allergies, Crohns, IBS, Colitis, GERD, chronic disease, infections, 
antibiotic use and resistance and human death, ulcers and the list goes on and 
on. 

Raw almonds are a wonder food just as they are. Let consumers make the informed 
choice and be responsible for the consequences. 

The almond farmers do not even know what they have been led into by theFDA. 
This consumer choice option will surely increase almond sales. 

Denial of a choice will be a marketing disaster. 

Freedom is lost gradually... bit by bit and bite by bite... with the great 
assistance of passive unconscious in activism and sheepish. 

You are conscious and aware of this path. Lets fight today and send a message. 
We must have unprocessed food choices. 

These are the people to contactplease fax, call or email them and demand:
1. A true almond label that states clearly that " almonds have been pasteurized"
2. A second consumer choice label that warns that the "almonds are raw and 
unprocessed".
3.That you will not tolerate the pasteurization of your almonds and having them 
still labeled as a "raw almond". That this is a fraud and a lie. 
4. Tell them that the proposed marketing order denies consumers of freedom to 
identify and choose whole unprocessed foods. 

Marketing Committee Members
Scott Hunter, Chairman
Hunter Farms
12237 Rose Avenue
Livingston, CA 95334
Work: (209) 564-9991
Fax: (209) 394-8007
Email: scotthun...@nextel.blackberry.net

Dan Cummings, Vice Chairman
Cummings-Violic

Re: CS>Cholesterol again

[Barbara]

Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and 
disastrous influence on the health of the citizens? 
I know that milk pasteurization started at that time.  Could that be a reason?  

Barbara



  During the early 1900's, various manifestations of
  heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of
  it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never
  seen it before. 

  Terry Chamberlin

Re: CS>Cat Story

[Barbara]

Del, if you want your cat to improve even more, put her on raw diet or if she 
would not eat raw meat, she may like canned food, all meat, without grains and 
vegetable matter.  
The only reason for her kidney disease are grains in her cat food.  Grains are 
killing an obligate carnivore like a cat. 

Barbara 





Several years ago my cat was diagnosed with kidney disease.
Her symptoms were a high water intake, lots of urinating in the litter, fairly 
frequent vomiting and hard as rock (and apparently painful) stools.
After discussing her with a local homeopathic vet, I stopped all shots, 
vaccines, and tick and flea repellents.
We put her on some recommended homeopathic remedies and she seemed to improve 
for a few years.
About two years ago when she was 12 years old she started looking listless and 
would not eat, so I took her to a local animal hospital who diagnosed her with 
a kidney infection.  This immediately followed having the interior of our house 
painted, so I think the environmental pollution got to her.
They recommended an antibiotic which I did give to her.  However, she did not 
improve.  Her temperature soared to 107 over the next couple of days and on 
several occasions I thought she might have died because she was completely 
unresponsive when I tried to wake her.
She would not drink or eat, so I started giving her CS in a dropper.  She would 
choke on it, but some went down, and I continued this every hour until she was 
getting more and more CS.  Eventually she started to move again and would then 
drink CS from a bowl, so we were able to discontinue the droppers.
Within a week from the initial attack, she was on the road to recovery, 
although a return to normality took about two more weeks.
The vet told me that cats with kidney disease are more prone to kidney 
infections, so from then on I have given her only CS to drink.  And she drinks 
a HUGE amount of it, I would say at least 10 to 12 ounces a day, sometimes 
more, seldom less.  Since she only weighs nine pounds, this equates to roughly 
seven percent of her body weight.  If a 155 LB human drank an equivalent 
amount, he or she would be drinking about 10 LBS of CS per day, or about 5 
quarts.  The absolute amount that she drinks is about the same as what I take, 
but the amount per lb of body weight is much, much greater.
She has been doing this for two years now and, although she is showing signs of 
age, she has remained healthy, alert, and without any sign of kidney infection. 
 A human drinking so much CS would be concerned about argyria, but since she is 
covered with black fur, this is not a concern (do humans with dark skin worry 
about argyria?).  I initially worried about her drinking so much CS since it is 
off the charts of what people normally take, but it seems only to have done her 
a lot of good.  I know that age and kidney disease will claim her eventually, 
but I think she is a testament to the beneficial effects of CS usage and proves 
that it has little if any toxicity even in very large doses.

Del

Re: CS>Outage should be over...

[Barbara]

I hear you Mike :)  I'm getting all your posts. 

Barbara





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If the list server's not responding, try direct to me.

It being so quiet, I wonder if there's still a problem for the  
server receiving mail.

Thank you.

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]

Re: CS>Making Kefir

[Barbara]

Terry, there is a wonderful site for kefir and this is the link:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html 

Kefir grains traditionally should not be sold only shared but there are people 
who do sell them.  Dom on his site will also tell you how to make kefir out of 
water or fruit juices.  He ships to most everywhere. 

I do have extra grains and would ship them to you but they are in milk so not 
good for water kefir.  There are also groups discussing kefir but I do not 
belong to any of them.  Members do give the grains just for shipping charges.  

Barbara






Barbara, how would a person in Canada acquire kefir
grains? Also, how would one make good kefir without
using milk? 

Thanks for any suggestions,

Terry Chamberlin

Re: CS>Duncan on kefir -Ruth

[Barbara]

Hi Ruth, 

I'm making kefir every day and here is the way I do it. 

In a 10 oz. glass put two tablespoons of grains, pour milk straight from the 
fridge, stir and set it in a cupboard or on the counter.  24 hours later you 
have finished kefir.  Use plastic sieve to fish the grains out and put them in 
a glass cup.  Pour milk from the fridge, stir...you know what I mean...do 
it all over again.  That is it.  It is very simple. 

I have kefir smoothie every morning.  I put raw egg in the kefir and eight 
drops of stevia sweetener and stir vigorously.  It is delicious :) 
If you have more questions, I will be happy to answer them :) 

Barbara 

PS.  In the summer time when the temperatures are higher, 12 hours is enough to 
make good kefir.  






Hi,. Day Sutton, I have printed out the Dom information, but find the 
directions confusing.  Their directions say to use 1/4 tsp. of kefir 
(grains) as a starter.  My daughter sent me about half a cup ofclumpy , 
rather "rubbery" stuff with which she makes her kefir.  I am wondering how a 
person can tell if what you have made is really kefir, or if it is just 
clabbered milk? Does one have to use a plastic sieve?  My first result was 
separated stuff.  The second time around a sort of creamy like liquid. 
Neither one sounded like the description Dom gives of stuff that is set 
enough so it doesn't really move around much in the bottom of the glass 
bowl.  I have found a place where I can get unpasteurized goat's milk.  
Perhaps it would help if you would tell me exactly how you make yours.  Ruth 
P.S. I am using store milk at present.  At one place in the information, it 
sounded like you have to warm the milk and test it and the grains with a 
cooking thermometer.  There were several other questions I have which I 
can't think of right now.  Ruth


>From Ruth Strackbein

Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Septic skeptic/hand ceam

[Barbara]

Debbie, I don't have any of those symptoms.  
I did read about the temperature test long time ago but never tested it on 
myself.  I kind of doubt that I have the thyroid problems, thank goodness... 

Barbara 





Go to www.mercola.com and type it in the search engine...weight problems, skin, 
headaches, depression..the list goes on. Do you know how to take your basal 
body temp first thing in the morning?...debbie

Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Septic skeptic/hand ceam

[Barbara]

Debbie, I have no idea..Never had it tested. 
What other symptoms come with thyroid problems?

Barbara




Barbara...how is your thyroid doing? this would cause dry hands and feet 
also...debbie

Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Septic skeptic/hand ceam

[Barbara]

Well, I will try it again.  I never tried on damp hands.  Thank you... :) 

Barbara




Well, yes, I know what you mean.  For me, its worth the little inconvience you 
mention.  What I like about the oils vs. the creams is that the more oily 
substances like CO and Shea act as a barrier as well while the creams are 
absorbed.  When hands get wet or exposed to elements they tend to dry out more. 
The oil acts as a healing and protective coating. 

Putting smaller amounts of oil on damp hands will cut the drying time some.

Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Septic skeptic/hand ceam

[Barbara]

Carol Ann,

I do have centrifuged, unprocessed coconut oil and eat it every day.  I tried 
to use it on my skin including my hands but it is so oily until it absorbs that 
I can't touch anything for a while.  That's why I'm back with hand cream.  I 
suspect that Shea butter will be just like coconut oil.  

Barbara





Hi Barbara,
If you want to make your own and be sure that there are no drying chemicals or 
agents of agitation, buy  pure Shea Butter, melt it in a double boiler and add 
a little Myrrh and Lavender Essential Oil. If you can find some good 
unprocessed Coconut Oil, it will also work beautifully.   Alone it holds  
wonderful healing properties but the addition of  a few  drops of essential 
oils only enhances  its  quality. 

Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>Septic skeptic/hand ceam

[Barbara]

Where do you buy it (HFS?) and who makes it?  What is the name of the cream?  
I'm very interested.  

My hands are so dry that I can not live without hand cream.  I wonder if the 
manufacturers put some chemicals in their creams to dry the skin even more so 
people have to buy it all the time.  I'm not septic but I'm a skeptic... 

Barbara 





Buy a hand lotion with 10% urea and aloe. It will amaze you.
> 

Re: CS>dogs and ear mites or flea bites and CS?

[Barbara]

Wendy, dogs are carnivores and they have no nutritional need for carbohydrates. 
 None.  Are you feeding about 10% of organ meats? This is very important.  
Weight wise they need 10% bone, 10% organ meats and 80% of muscle meat and if 
you are feeding diary, then cottage cheese, yogurt, kefir and eggs.  

Barbara




 Of course diet is the root
cause of any of this and we've been lazy and they've not been getting
their veggies and oils much the last couple months with their raw meat
and bones. 

Re: CS>MSM powder form

[Barbara]

Hi Margaret, 

I get my powder form MSM at the feed store.  This product is for uses in horses 
and is 99.9% pure.  It is also cheap, $9.95 for a one pund can.  I take 8 to 9 
grams a day in the glass of water. 
The measuring scoop is in the can and it holds 10 grams.  
Hope this will help you :)

Barbara 




  Hi All,

  A while back the topic of MSM was addressed and some folks gave places to 
purchase in powder form. I am dealing with MS, joint stiffness and pain and 
also digestive and elimination problems and I feel the powder form could be 
more effective. Anyone care to share their source as well as recommended doses 
for daily use?

  I use my Silver Puppy to make my CS daily. In the A.M. I mix  organic juice 
of choice with the CS and thought I could add the MSM powder for a morning 
dose. 

  TIA
  Margaret

Re: CS>I'm New!

[Barbara]

Welcome Shannon :) 

Here are two articles on healing depression that might be useful to you. 

http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html 

http://www.sunlightnews.com/index.html 

Barbara




  constantly behind and discouraged.  My depression is much better with Celexa, 
I can live now!
  Anyway, I'm glad to try this and hope it helps.
  Shannon

Re: CS>

[Barbara]

Hi Sasha, 

Linda sent you an excellent post but I want to add to her advice. 
You said that you would go to the ends of Earth for your cat...Well, I can tell 
you a lot easier way than that: Feed your cat RAW DIET.  Cats are obligate 
carnivores and they can not digest the grains that are the main ingredients if 
cat food.  They can not digest any plant matter.  Raw fed cats are very healthy 
and have no reasons to visit the vets.  If you would like to learn more just 
google  .  

I feed my 5 dogs raw since 1998 and 2 cats are 2 years old and fed raw since 
birth (well, since weaning LOL)  

Barbara 




  I know the above suggestions will be of benefit to your animal, but I cannot 
guarantee you will have the same miraculous results as my friend did with her 
basset hound.  I do not understand why or how it worked but it did.  Make sure 
you feed your pet a very good quality food also as that has a lot to do with 
their health.

  Good health and God bless

  Lindaheffie


  EmoTap  wrote:

  Also, I would like to know how to give my cat the DE?  I would go to 
the ends of the earth for my little sweetie.
  Thank you very much. 
  SMax 
 

Re: CS>Brown recluse bite

[Barbara]

They are in Arkansas.  According to the map, that's righ in the heart of those 
spiders' territory.  

Barbara



  Barbara -- what part of the country does your friend live in? MA

Re: CS>CAUTION: Nicotine versus Nitroglycerine

[Barbara]

Dr. Burton in his article mentions children being helped with this patch also.  
So I don't know what to think.

Barbara



  When my Mom was in the hospital for her heart, she wore the nitroglyercine 
patch.
  One night her blood pressure dropped so low, they rushed her to ICU.  But 
they also took the patch off saying it lowers the BP.  I would be afraid of 
anything so drastic with a child when there are other more natural measures.

  Just my 2 cents.
  Edith

Re: CS>CAUTION: Nicotine versus Nitroglycerine

[Barbara]

Thank you Mike for being so thorough.  I sure did tell her and she has the 
article by Dr. Burton and she thinks she will go to see her doctor and try to 
get the prescription for nitroglycerine patch. 
I hope he will be above his ego and will write her a script.

Barbara



  NITROGLYCERINE patches are suggested to treat brown recluse bites, not 
nicotine patches.

  Which is a darned shame, since nitroglycerine patches are prescription only 
around here and nicotine patches are available over-the-counter.

  Barbara, please let your friend know to discard the information about 
nicotine, before anybody is confused by it?

  Thanks, all. It's tough to keep things straight sometimes.

  Be well,

  Mike D.

  [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
  [mdev...@eskimo.com]
  [Speaking only for myself...   ]

Re: CS>Brown recluse bite

[Barbara]

As you will be reading further, I explained what I meant by forgetting the 
electricity :)   

Now, I want to tell everyone that my friend's house is literally INFESTED with 
the Brown Recluse spiders.  Yesterday, they hunted, found and killed 8 of 
them!!! :(((  Plus 2 egg cases!  They are scared to fall asleep so they take 
turns sleeping while one person is watching over the sleeping ones :(  They all 
are nervous wrecks! 
She looked on the net but all she learned is that nothing much kills those 
things.  Is that true?  I told her to call an exterminator, was I right?  

Barbara




  I think actually I got it wrong.  It should be Nitroglycerin.  Of the two, 
the correct one is a vasodilator.  The venom causes extreme contraction of the 
vessles to keep the enzyme in place. 



  You are wrong about the electrical treatment.  There are many well documented 
protocols on the web using electricity to destroy the venom. 

Re: CS>Repetition

[Barbara]

Thank you Pat :)  You said it better than I just have, a minute ago.

Barbara



  They're going to run the subjects until all angles are
  covered so we'll know a bit about what we're talking
  about.  You can't know much in one or two posts.  They
  can be read very fast.  Would you rather we all keep
  quiet?  The whole point of a discussion group is to
  discuss.

 Pat

Re: CS>Repetition

[Barbara]

That's exactly what the Delete key is for, and without any grouchy comments.

Barbara




  When I turned on my computer this morning there were 27 messages, covering 
two basic subjects, bites & wells.

  Needless to say they all got the delete key. How lonr are you going to run 
these threads?

  Where is originality of this list.

  "Ole Bob"

Re: CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

She will see the doctor and will ask for it.  Since the docs do not know what 
to do for the bite, she will take Dr. Burton's article with her an have him 
read it.  

Barbara



  How does a person get these without a script?  

  Edith

Re: CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

Thank you Dan.  The summarizing definitely helps to organize one's thoughts.  
So far she is leaning towards nitroglycerin patch.  It seems to do the job 
quite well.

Barbara 




  Barbara,

  There are four methods generally that are being talked about here.
  Each takes a different approach to treat the bite.

  1.  Kill any bacteria etc that are injected by the spider.
  - Use colloidal silver or antibiotics.

  2.  Draw out any poison from the bite area.
  - Use charcoal pack, clay pack, or something similar.

  3.  Counteract the action of the poison.
  - Use nicotine patch.

  4.  Neutralize the poison.
  - Use heat, or high voltage (low current) shock like
a stun gun or a spark from a car or lawnmower.

  Hope this makes things clearer.

  Dan

Re: CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

Thank you MA :)  I will let you all know what happened with the boy.

Barbara



  Well -- not exactly .  The Electro-Stim is a professional machine that 
Chiropractors use.  The electrical machines (such as Rife, etc.) are small, 
personal units, frequently home-made, that people use on themselves.  It would 
take some reading, research, etc., to avail yourself of one of those.  It's so 
much easier to just go to a Chiropractor.  Good luck with all of this -- hope 
the child does OK. MA

Re: CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

This is good to know and easy to obtain :)  
Thank you, I will send it to her.

Barbara




  I had an 'bite' by what a pharmancist said 'looked' like the BR spider 
bite,,would not heal,,recommended me to go
  to MD,,,used c/s with DMSO in an eyedroppered bottle,,after a couple weeks of 
constant dapping,,the incurable
  went away,,no scar,,the ph.just rolled his eyes when I showed him 
later...,,,oh well,,,btw the bite itched a lot..
  I guess it may have been a br spider bite,,oh well,,

Re: CS>Brown recluse bite

[Barbara]

Thank you Nancy for your story.  I will forward it to my friend :)

Barbara


  I had 2 Black Widow spider bites.  I put meat tenderizer (papain, bromelain 
in meat tenderizer break down protein and bee venom and I presume spider venom 
is made of protein also) one the first  one.  In absence of meat tenderizer I 
have used digestive enzymes or fresh pineapple, papaya, or kiwi fruit.

  The bite I put meat tenderizer on immediately did not react at all to the 
venom- no necrotizing tissue or inflammation at all.  I did get a general 
reaction of nausea and stomach cramps.  The second bite I didn't recognize as a 
bite at the time.  The next day it started to necrotize and my leg swelled up 
and turned red.  In an inflammatory situation Vitamin C in large quantities 
should help.  I was given an antibiotic and after a couple of days the swelling 
went away, after a lot of prayer and healing scripture confessions.  Perhaps 
soaking in epsom salts would also be beneficial because that helped my daughter 
after she had swelling and inflammation from a pencil lead being rammed into 
her foot.

  I'm only assuming Black Widow spider venom and Brown Recluse venom are 
similar.

  Nancy

Re: CS>Brown recluse bite

[Barbara]

Hi Mike,  

The problem is that I know zero about this electrically inclined medicine.  I 
have to get busy and start reading about it.  And even if I do the reading, I 
have doubts that I would understand much of it. 
But I will try :)  Thanks.

Barbara




  Hi Barbara,

  I can understand your reaction, since so many people are not 
  "electrically inclined" and it all seems a bit mystical.

Re: CS>Brown Recluse Bite

[Barbara]

Thank you so much for this message Mike.  I forwarded it to my friend with a 
note to make sure she will read it. 

Barbara


  Another message of importance that bounced to me for some reason. The system 
though it was too big, but it shouldn't have been. 

  Mike D.


  BY DR. KENNETH BURTON

  The devastation caused by the bite of the Brown Recluse spider can be stopped 
in its tracks and reversed, even at  advanced stages of its degenerative 
effects.

Re: CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

What I meant Mike is that one person says put some ice on the bite and the next 
person recommends heat.  When you don't know what is right, it is next to 
impossible to make a right decision.  More like Russian roulette.  

I sure will let you all know how this all ended.  And I wanted to thank you for 
your generous help :)

Barbara



  That's what taking personal responsibility for your health-care 
  decisions means. *You* are the only one who can decide what's best to try 
from among the options you are aware of.

  At least now she knows there are other options.

  Thanks for your caring Barbara. Please let us know how it turns out, whatever 
she decides to do.

  Be well,

  Mike D.

  [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
  [mdev...@eskimo.com]
  [Speaking only for myself...   ]

Re: CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

Hi MA, 

THANK YOU so much.  You must have read my messages that I have no idea where do 
I get this electricity from?  

So, this is that machineElectro-Stim  Thank you Mary Ann ;) 
Now I will know what to tell my friend :) 

Barbara




  Barbara -- Have the woman take her son to a chiropractor who has an 
Electro-Stim machine.  Most chiros do -- it is used to relax back muscles for 
spine treatments.  The electrical current neutralizes the venom.  This is an 
easy, painless treatment.  But do it quickly.  MA

Re: CS>Brown recluse bite

[Barbara]

Thank you Wayne, I will let her know. 
The reason I said forget the electric is because I have no idea how, where from 
do I get that electricity.  Certainly not sticking my finger into the outlet, 
so where from?  What is it that I would have to buy and where from?  She does 
not know it either.  
I did not read that whole set that Rowena send to me, I don't have time.  I 
just sent this to my friend.  Maybe there is an explanation where this 
electricity comes from...

Barbara


  Natural don't matter.   Most doctors do nothing but Antibiotics.  That is 
why I never went to a doctor about 3 or 4 years ago when I had the same bite.

 An onion poultice works.

 The best treatment is a Stun Gun, period.  Get one and destroy the venom.

 Search the internet.   The University of OK has all the data on the stunn 
gun but I think they give it only to doctors.

 These bites can get serious or they can be zapped in short order.

  My bite area was shocked 5 times,Dead Center, then  3, 6, 9, and 12 
Oclock.This was my idea and it worked.

  Wayne 



  Why do you say forget this?  You can read about it in the Lancet.  ( and many 
reports around the world )

Re: CS>Re:CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

Thank you Rowena for the set :)

Barbara


  Wayne Fugitt had fantastic results using a variety of modalities, and the 
  only longlasting injury he sustained was from heat - if my memory serves, it 
  was from a hot water bottle, but I may have that wrong!  Electric current 
  featured, certainly.  I kept notes I could forward, if nobody else offers 
  the complete set.  Maybe they are on Wayne's website by now.
  Rowena 

Re: CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

Thank you very much.  I forwarded it.

Barbara



  My son recieved a spider bite when sleeping on a floor mattress when  in 
temporary housing after hurricane devastation to our home. It was on the top of 
his foot and quickly swelled,got infected with pus and started truning purple. 
He had chronic colitis that we had been adrressing for years and I knew 
antibiotics would set him way back. He began feeling spacey and I began giving 
high and constant amounts of Sovergn silver locally and orally. We also put hot 
compresses on and soaked his foot in warm calendula baths. The second day the 
gross purple looking swelling popped and all the pus drained. All my other kids 
stayed up to watch their brother's foot spuing out the dead matter. He 
recovered quickly and his gut problems improved too. He has a small scar on his 
foot and is now back in his home sleeping in a real bed. 

Re: CS>brown recluse

[Barbara]

Thank you sol, I will forward your message to her too. 
I don't know how will she cope with the conflicting messages. 
It is not easy to decide what to do when the doctors are saying do nothing, let 
the nature take it's course. 

Barbara




  When my son had what seemed to be a brown recluse bite many years ago, the 
doctor told us to put ice on it, to help stop the spread of the thing. And he 
put him on an antibiotic right away, because infection is very common in these 
things.It sure looked infected. The doctor thought he was lucky and didn't get 
much venom as he was bitten through a sock on the foot, not on bare skin.  But 
this doctor did think that was what the bite was, he did his residency in the 
south where they are more common than here.

  At the time I had no knowledge of CS etc. But I do question putting heat on 
such a bite.
  sol

Re: CS>Brown recluse bite

[Barbara]

Thank you Dan, I forwarded your message to my friend.

Barbara



  I saw an article on the web recently but can't remember where or find it 
again.

  The idea was that the spider poison constricts the blood vessels in the 
  area and causes tissue death because it can't get any blood.  Nicotine 
  dilates blood vessels so it counteracts the effect of the poison on the 
  blood vessels and allows it to be moved out of the area.

  A nicotine patch (one that has nicotine evenly dispersed across the 
  patch) is cut to be just larger than the bite, including the area that 
  is being affected by the poison and applied over the bite.  You could 
  have it monitored by a doctor if it is a child and you don't want to get 
  too much nicotine exposure. I would think that any doctor would be 
  receptive to this approach.

  Dan