Re: CS>New to List
Hi DW. Check you regulated current level and try to set it for a current density of 1 to 1.2 ma per sq in. a Add a stir motor and you are home free. Check it for a weak T.E. with a laser pointer. The only way to really know the ppm is to have someone check it with an AA of a spectrophotometer. I do that for a small fee. "Ole Bob" DW wrote: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: CS: dog lump
Sorry, but silver is not a heavy metal. It is classified as a noble metal. the heavies begin at 207 with lead. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
Reid, your problem is that you are not an electrical engineer, and hence are having difficulty undeerstanding the problem. so I will asttempt to provide the missing data. Some things you will have to take on faith. You are puzzled about 109 volts dropping to 82 volts and the current going from 15 to 55 ma. What you have is a "constant voltage system" that does not have sufficient "stiffness" to deliver the current that your cell is demanding. The voltage drop is due to inadequate wire size in the transformer. If your transformer had enough "beef" the voltage would have stayed at 109 volts even as the current increased. It sounds like your transformer has less than a 100 va rating. In a "constant current system" set to regulate at 5 ma.the voltage will stay at about the no load value i.e. say 36 volts as the current increases from 0.20 ma to about 3 ma. then the voltage will start to drop as the current increases. When the current hits the 5 ma. set limit the voltage will be about 5 to 8 volts and will stay at that level and the current will stay at 5 ma. Hence the name "constant current." Realize that when inadequate parts are put together all kinds of screwy results can and do happen. The amazing thing is that inspite of all of the "shade tree" engineering or lack of it, people make good CS. I happen to be a retired registered professional engineer witth degrees in electronics and power, so I tend to look at things with a different eye. I hope this clears up things for you. "Ole Bob" Reid Harvey wrote: > Ole Bob, > Thanks for helping me along with my understanding on this (and to Trem > for straightening out the current vs. voltage situation). But are you > saying that the two alternative approachs offer either a limitation on > current by voltage or the other way round, a limitation on voltage by > current? When you indicate the final voltage reading will go down it > appears this system is not constant at all. > > In view of the two constant systems I'm a bit puzzled that when last I > brewed CS neither the voltage nor the current remained constant. (N.B. > It has proven fortuitous that for both of the two types of generators I > use, for dilute and for concentrated CS, optimal results were achieved > in the first times used, all variables at what they should have been, so > I didn't see the problems that could come up until after achieving good > results.) I'm now puzzled because the last time I brewed CS I had inital > voltage of 109, with a final reading of 82 volts. Current initially was > 15mA, the final reading 55mA, so neither current nor voltage remained > constant. Why then are they referred to as constant systems? Or should > they be referred to as a current limiting system and a voltage limiting > system? > > I should also say, by way of knowing that on this last occasion the CS > I ended up with was by no means optimal that I was aware the water was a > bit impure. This appears to have been primarily due to contamination in > transport because of the wrong kind of plastic lid. (I have since made > gaskets out of the sides of a clorox bottle.) And I was compelled to > let the generator go longer than it should have because the electrodes > were initially too close to the glass and I was making a lot of silver > oxide, not ions. So I had initial current of 15mA and final current of > 55mA. Clearly I got large particle size CS, but not to worry since I > know how to get it all right next time. > > Now I am merely a bit puzzled by your assertion that either the current > or the voltage should remain constant. And I assume you meant that I > would get a final reading of 80 volts, and not the 8 volts you > mentioned. As usual I'm learning a lot from what you're saying, swo > nothing negative is intended in my comments. > Thanks again. > Reid > > Ole Bob wrote: > Hi Reid, > The two low voltage systems are; > 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to > gether and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across > the cell stays at constant value of the batteries. > > 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of > the wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it > approaches that limit, the internal electronics places a variable > resistance in circuit so that the current cannot exceed the pre-set > value. In this system the voltage across the cell drops to hold the > current at the pre-set value. > > Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant > current mode. > > If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the > voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage > higher than 110 v. As the brew progress the volage will stay about > constant for a while and then start to drop. I would guess that its > final value will be about 8 to 10 volts. > > "Ole Bob" > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloida
Re: CS>Constant currentRe: CS>Re: Is everyone on vacation- orconductivityof deionized water
Trem, You missed the point. If he is using 110 vdc on one cell, he almost has to be running a constant current system. We need to check the person's system his is copying. Back in February of 1999 when I was investigating 280 to 330 volts in minutes agglomeration set in ans the CS became like Mississippi river water at 60-100ma. Then the current leveled off and started back down, and in 60 minutes the CS was crystal clear and the final current was 1/3 the maximun. The T.E.M> showed particles of 16 to 86 nm in size. If you want a copy of the data sheet I will try to scan it for you. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Constant currentRe: CS>Re: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivityof deionized water
Trem, You might be right,but I didn't think anyone used 110 v dc in a single cell. This one person that lines up 5 one gallon cells in series and uses 110 vdc. "Ole Bob" Trem wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I think you have it backwards. If Reid's using 110 VDC with no regulation > as I thought he said he was, it's constant voltage not constant current he's > working with. > > Trem > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Re: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized > water > > > Hi Reid, > > > > The two low voltage systems are; > > 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to gether > > and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across the cell > > stays at constant value of the batteries. > > > > 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of > the > > wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it approaches that > > limit, the internal electronics places a variable resistance in circuit > so > > that the current cannot exceed the pre-set value. In this system the > voltage > > across the cell drops to hold the current at the pre-set value. > > > > Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant > > current mode. > > > > If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the > > voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage > > higher than 110 v. > > As the brew progress the volage will stay about constant for a while and > > then start to drop. I would guess that its final value will be about 8 to > 10 > > volts. > > > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Re: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
Hi Reid, The two low voltage systems are; 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to gether and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across the cell stays at constant value of the batteries. 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of the wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it approaches that limit, the internal electronics places a variable resistance in circuit so that the current cannot exceed the pre-set value. In this system the voltage across the cell drops to hold the current at the pre-set value. Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant current mode. If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage higher than 110 v. As the brew progress the volage will stay about constant for a while and then start to drop. I would guess that its final value will be about 8 to 10 volts. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
Hi Reid, Something may be wrong!!! Example: when I did my development work on constant voltage CS using 14 oz of DW using 2 #14 Ag wires 2 1/2" apart the initial current was 0.25 ma which was the same reading the for the conductivity of the DW as read on my one cubic centimeter conductivity testor. The same holds true for the initial readings of constant current systems. Until the c.c. regulator cuts in there is no difference between the two systems as far as the current is concerned. Did you by any chance read the meter incorrectly??? "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> OT> Chelation study
Hi Larry, Did you read the end of the article??? The JAMA study is grossly flawed I have taken over 50 IV chelation treatments and it works. Chelation was started by the AMA in 1935 as a result of lead poisioning at a GM battery plant. In 1980 the heart surgeons got it disapporved by the FDA as it hit their pocket book. It is still approved as the ONLY cure for lead, mercury, and other heavy metal poisioning. "Ole Bob" Been there done that -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>One last reversal experiment
Hi Steve, Ask Solar about his SD7 Pro Generator. I tested two of his samples; one was 14.2 PPM and the other 13.4 PPM with almost no T.E. almost as good as HVAC for ionic content. It is polarity switching with constant stirring. You need to visit www.silvergen.com and printout ALL that Trem has to offer. Hi sremarks are well worth keeping. As to what you have as far as ppm is concerned until you have it tested with AA or a spectrophotometer you have no idea what the PPM actually is!!! As these fudge factors apply to one setup AFTER one knows what the actual ppm is. I don't know what is going on, but polarity switching works. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Is everyone on vacation??
Hi Reid, Before you run off in the heat of the day without your blanket, be careful about the deioinized water. It might not be as good as you think. Run several test before drawing any conclusion. Commercial deionized water did not work well for me. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>leishmania
Hi JT, That sounds like what I once had in Honduras. They called it an "nigua". The insect lays its eggs under the skin and it about a week they start to hatch. To get the egg sack out one must carefully cut the persons skin and lift out the egg sack.If the sack gets broken then one must swab the hole in the flesh with iodine and clean it out or the worms will make a new sack and you are back to square one. Sounds grousome but it is very real. "Ole Bob" TJ Garland wrote: > I have a friend that got bitten by a sandfly in Costa Rica. The doctor says > he has cutaneus leishmania. Anyone have any experience with it? Thanks in > advance. Tj Garland > > _ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: lvdc-hvac (V102 #109)
Hi JR, Yes, the structuring takes place with the violent energy in the arc. I know of no one using less than 10,000 volts. Most use 12 kv and some 15 kv, but I have some real reservations about 15 kv. To do HVAC one MUST use a neon sign transformer as they are built to handle this type of load without burning up. If you wisj to try it before you start get ALL of the good and bad points about it. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More Polarity Reversal Experiments
Hi Kevin, Before you give up polarity switching you should investigate it. It really does work. Check my archives Robert Berger. Trem on his professional machine is using some sort to keep the electrodes clean In my investagations 3 years ago I determined that 60 sec x 60 sec was ideal. I investigated 12, 24, 36, 48, 60 , 72 and 120 seconds switching before setling on 60 x 60. If you are going to do this get the proper equipment. "ole Bob". Kevin Nolan wrote: > Thanks Steve. Nice timing - your results have saved me the trouble of trying > it, which is what I was about to do. > > - Original Message - > From: "S & J Young" > To: "Silver List" > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 4:09 PM > Subject: CS>More Polarity Reversal Experiments > > > A while ago I reported an experiment of brewing batches under identical > > conditions, one with and the other without polarity switching. The > results > > were that the switched batch was less than half ionic concentration and > > Tyndall as the unswitched one. The positive was that during the 4 hours > of > > stirred brewing, there was no gunk that sluffed off the silver wires. > > > > So the next experiment was to let the polarity reversal batch brew for 8 > > hours. The hope was that the PPM would double, to be the same as the 4 > hour > > unswitched batch, and there would still be no gunk sluff-off. > > > > The results were dissappointing. Final PPM and uS were still less then > the > > the 4 hour non-reversed one. Here are the results of all 3 runs, all with > 1 > > uS DW, regulated constant current and stirring: > > > > Control: 4 hours, no reversals, PPM=22.4 via Ivan's formula, uS=14.5 with > > Hanna PWT. > > > > Reversal #1: 4 hours, PPM=8.8, uS=6.7 > > > > Reversal #2: 8 hours, PPM=13.6, uS=10.8 > > > > Rather disappointing results. The strength only increased about 55 or 60% > > for double the time. > > > > But wait, there's more bad news! Sometime during the last 4 hours of the > > Reversal #2 experiment, small black particles began sluffing off the wires > > and falling to the bottom. By the end of the experiment, I would guess > > there were a couple hundred discrete tiny black particles, like course > black > > pepper, on the bottom of the jar. So much for avoiding sluff-off. The > tiny > > particles made decanting more difficult than the control brew's bigger > > sluff-off globs. > > > > Conclusion: Polarity reversal is not for me. I see no worthwhile > > advantages to offset the added complexity needed to reverse the voltage > > every 40 seconds or so. > > > > --Steve > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>lvdc-hvac
Hi Satchid, The best CS made with LVDC has about 80% ionic silver and 20% particles. See Trems' website at www.silvergen.com for the T.E.M. photograph. My HVAC ARC CS is 98+ ionic as measured by two independent labs. and the T.E.M. shows particles ranging for 1 to 2 nm and 6 to 8 nm. alnog with water that has been structured. The T.E. is barely visible in a totally dark room. Satchid wrote: > What is the difference in CS made in a LVDC unit versus a HVAC unit. > > Satchid > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More Polarity Reversal Experiments
Hi Steve, When I was selling polarity reversal generators no one had your kinds of problems. Everything was metered. What you missed telling us about is the T.E. and the cell current that you had. I do not want to be obnoxious but it sounds like your experiment was not properly conducted. If you did not have a current meter in the system and you used a Hanna meter to indicate what you were making, you were mislead. Going back in my archives on 10/27/99 using my EZCS polarity switching generator, with a DW that had a conductance of about 0.3 uS/cc I made 16 oz. of 12 PPM (true with spectrophotometer measurements) in 2 hrs. and 15 min. It had a very very weak T.E. (mostly ionic silver) Using a DW with a Conductance of 5.00 uS/cc I made 14.5 PPM in 45 minutes. This had a strong T.E. indicating many and large particles. It appears that you had a large amount of agglomeration in your CS because of lack of knowledge of the cell current. If you want more data it will have to be off list as the data charts are to large in Kbytes for the list. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Ron Woodling
Hi Ron, I need your email address to send you the data on your CS. It is one of the best that I have tested. You should tell the list how you made it. The T.E. looks almost as good as HVAC. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Need email address
Hi Ya'all, does anyone have the email address for Carlos LeLair? He used the pen maneof Spiroflex. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fwd: e mails with Quackwatch
Hi TJ, To put it bluntly you are on the wrong wavelength. This may sound a bit religious but if you will read Revelation chapter 18 and ask youself one queston, "what end time nation fulfills this roll and is nuked?" While you are at it read Jeremiah 50 and 51 to see the nuking of the USA. Reds R.A. Coomers book "America the Babylon" or if you wish send me your address and I will send you my short pamphlet, "Babylon the Great is Fallen is Fallen," it covers the nuking of the USA IT IS REAL. Just check out the "LONG WALL" of China, that is not the great wall, but a "wall" of nukes with multiple war heads pointed at the USA. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Checking..JUst Ignore..
Hi Douglas, Check the archives as Carlos LeClair reported CS curing HIV several years ago. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>One for the Books
Hi Ya'all, During the Y2K frenzy my wife and I put together a survival kit, for several reasons one is that we do live in "tornado alley" and the other was the possibility of Y2K disaster. Today we rechecked what we had done to see if it needed upgrading as a result of possible terrorist attacks. In the package was a 1/2 liter cola bottle with CS made by the LVDC method but using my polarity reversal process. (1 1/2" spacing, 26 volts, with a 60 sec X 60 sec polarity reversal) Date of mfg. 7/29/99 the ppm as measured by my spectrophotometer was 11.9. Today I rechecked the CS and there was a slight fallout in the feet of the bottle, the T.E. was visible in room light and the recheck for Ag+ found the PPM = 19.8 The CS is still crystal clear. This should answer the question as to how long good CS can be keep!! I looks like the polarity switching produces a product like fine wine, it improves with age!! "Ole Bob :-) :-) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>New Word for you
James will enjoy this one. The new word is Mobocracy (mob'ocracy). Meaning making law, or media bias basised carefully crafted opinion poles. Facts be damned, their agenda is what is important. It is surprising what a mob of illerates can do. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Newbie
Hi Dan, Many of the web sites are full of baloney. Try www.silvergen.com, Trem's data is very good. On this list you will get good data. Yellow color indicates that agglomeration has set in and the particles are large. A good grade of CS can be made either with constant voltage or constant current. Constant voltage (3 -9v batteries) requires a little more attention than the constant current. What you want is a reasonable PPM with a very weak T.E.. That will contain more ionic sliver than particles. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Skin cancer, CS, and Stemcells
Hi Langsley, If you will go to www.silverlon.com you will see the effects of silver ions on regeneration of human tissue. They used to have a picture of a man's finger that was chopped off just behind the nail that re-grew in three months. If its not there, I have it in my computer. The file is too big for the silver-list. Also get patent US005814094A and read the Abstract. the final sentence is, "This complex acts as a biological inducer to cause the formation in vivo of an adequate blastema to support regeneration." Its real, Dr. Bill Biagioli NMD has a patient with a large hole in his leg from staph A, and healed it by packing the wound with gauge and keeping it wet with HVAC ARC CS. (personal correspondence) "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>DMSO
Reid, All of the DMSO that I have seen is labeled 99.9% pure, but it has been diluted to 90% with some thing that they will not tell you. I think it is DW but not sure. It all comes as a by-product of the paper industry. Generally the spigot fills ALL different brands of DMSO. Memory tells me that there is only one manufacture, I am probably wrong. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>TRANSLATING
Hi Charles, When you touch two wires from a light socket together you will get a "ball of fire". That is a arc. It is the release of one hell of a lot of energy. (DON'T DO IT). With HVAC we make the arc under water so as to form CS (colloidal silver) "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>External use of CS
Hi Ya'all, For my dry skin excema I find the HVAC ARC CS that has a little NO3 in it when mixed with 20 % Aloe Vera seems to reduce the itching and the suraface bumps. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Skin Cancer
Hi Ya'all, One thing about the human skin, it has two layers. The outside is a barrier to water. The second is a barrier to oils. To get CS inside the first layer one needs to use a little DMSO as it will take the CS inside of the body. Maybe a little Aloe Vera may help also. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>colloidal gold
Hi Satchid, Before you run off in the heat of the day without your blanket, I suggest that you send a sample of you CG to the; Kimball labs. 600 East 11800South Draper, Utah 84020 Include $10.00 for the testing of CG. Then you will know what you have!!! Basiclly if there is no color you have no CG. (been there done that) "Ole Bob" :-( -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS in IV solutions
James, Et al, Brooks Bradley's organization showed where the use of gatorade or its equivalent increased the adsorption rate of Cs into the blood. Check that archives for his work. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>colloidal gold.
Hi Marshall, "Ole Bob" has been there and done that with my wire welder and silver It got rather exciting very quickly. It blew silver and wire all over the place. I used my 120 Vsc wire welder and for me one try was enough, but I do not want to discourage the brave in heart. Someone may find the secret. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>colloidal gold.
Hi Ivan, I have tried LVDC arciong under water with one gold and one tungsten electrode. Problem.NO ARC. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Magnesium oxide
Hi Leo, About 50 years ago my mother was advised by her doctor to alternate between mineral oil and Epson salts every day. After about 30 days she started passing what looked like chunks of coal!!! It cleaned out her instestines very well. ""Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>solving plate-out
Kevin, the word is "stop" I sild the tape over the electrode. As made the tape is folded about 3 or 4 times and it acts like a tube. In the platting rooms this is called "bagging the electrode" "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Bias tape
Trem. I cut the tape a little longer than the electrodes and slid it over the electrodes and tied it at the top. The tape is folded several times so it kind of acts like a tube. In the plating rooms they do that some times to stop crud from getting in the solution. Hope this helps, "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>solving plate-out
Hi Ya'all, Here is unique solution that I used several years ago to spot plate out. Put s hort length of bias tape on the electrodes.. If you don't know what bias tape is ask your wife. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>first batch
Hi Alison, Don't worry about whisps or other subliminate effects. The better the DW the longer it take to get CS started. If you can find an inexpense Digital multimeter put that in the circuit to measure the cell current. It will be your "EYES" as to what is going on in the process. That way you can more nearly duplicate what you are making. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Question about saline & other stuff
Hi Laura, DO NOT use salt for ANYTHING The nasal spray is made with 90% cs and 10% DMSO. I suggest that you go to the archives and look up Brooks Bradley and run through his work with a research lab. If it is off color on the darck side do not use it. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>colloidal gold.
Hi Satchid, you do not make CG with DC. You need an AC arc underwater. You can tell CG by its color. It starts out a very pale lavender and increase to red with ppm. With a NST you do not need to measure the current (besides it is very difficult to due at 12 kv) It will run the full capacity of the NST wither 30 ma or 60 ma. Don't diddle around with DC and low current. It is a waste of time. Go to WWW.colloidal gold.com andsee what others have done. WE all make CG that way or slightly modified. "Ole Bob" Satchid wrote: > I tried today (probably still with the right transformers to make colloidal > gold. I could not get good result. the one transformer is to low voltage > (4500 V 100 ma) the other is 8000V 50 Ma. > I decided to try the low voltage way again but not that low. So, I took a > Diode bridge and connected the AC side directly to the main 240v then I > connected the positive to the gold electrode the negative to a silver > electrode. At first I had current but it stayed almost stable. Then It > started slowly to go up from 1.35 ma and it is now already at 9 ma and this > after about 45 minutes. For this I used no current limiting. > Do you think that I have colloidal Gold? > > Thank You > > Satchid > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble
Hi Gaton, No I have not fiddled with the bubbler concept. If you have anything in the brew area that produces CO2 it will change the conductivity reading. A simple test is to measure the conductiviety of some DW that is in a wide mouth jar every 4 hours that is open to the air and keep a record, and you will find that the conductivity increases as it adsorbs the CO2 in the air. It cancome from your breath. > "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>'water-soluble' silver?
Hi Kevin, If you are using LVDC I doubt if there will be a color change. I think mine is due to the presence of NO3 or NO2. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>questions: stir vs. bubble
Hi Ya'all, When I developed the stirrer with the RAdio Shack 1 1/2 v dc motor I used a piece of #14 plastic coated house wire about 3" long. I put a 15 deg bend on the free end. I slid the copper out about 1/4" and cut it off. the empty end will push on to the motor shaft. With a 1 1/2 volt battery it woud stir up a storm. I had to put 3 ohms in series with one motor lead. That unit will stir a gallon jar with no problems. Be sure that the stirrer is centered between the electrodes as it purpose is to move the DW fast enough so that agglomeration does not set in. The change in your conductance readings with time is due to agglomeration of silver ions. The amount of silver in the CS does not change with time unless it plates out on the bottle. This is a very condition. The very very slight T.E. says that you have a mostly ionic silver solution. We call it colloidal silver due to custom, but it really is a silver solution. But at this stage of the game it would be impossible to change custom. "Ole Bob: P.S. when answering an email please delete all or most of the message that you are responding to. Thanks
Re: CS>'water-soluble' silver?
Kevin et al, If this product is exposed to bright sunlight and it has a citrate in it will turn green of maybe ever go to black. I do like his comment about ionic silver as that is what I make with the HVAC ARC process. 98+% Ag+ "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Gold electrode assembly
Those who are interested in CG. If you cannot find 2mm X 4mm pyrex or quartz tubing for the electrode shields, pyrex is availble her in KC. It is rather cheap only a couple of bucks. If any of you want it let me know and I will price it out plus postage. They also have a glass tubing cutter. It looks sort of like a nut cracker with the cutting wheel inside. I can cut to length or ship 12" lengths, "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>introduction
Hi Rob-bac, Glad to have you on board!!! Good work in getting people started on CS. As for colloidal gold I have made some neat electrode assemblies that work very well. On the web there is a system of floating electrodes which I did not consider satisfactory, as they arc was about 1/4" under water. So I made mine fixed with the arc about 1" below the surface. The electrodes had to be shielded with pyrex or quartz tubing (regular glass wont last) so as to reduce leakage along the electrodes. Also the electrodes were 1" to 2" 24k gold and the connecting end was brass rod. You will find that as the DW heats the arc decreases so a method of cooling is desired. I will send you a drawing as a separate email as it is too big for the list to handle. If you have any other questions let me know. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>polluted water
Hi Ya'all, Years ago while beingChier Engineer for Standard Fruit Co. in La Ceiba, Honduras I ran across an old text book (1922 ed.) on water purification. It described the use of the electrolysis of silver in the municipal water supplies in Europe before they changed over to chlorine. Suggestion; make a very long cell (2' to 3') from a piece of plastic pipe the size of your discharge line. Put two pieces of #12 gauge silver wires down the middle of the pipe and separate them about 1" or more. Make a 12 volt DC power pupply and connect a relay so that when the pump starts the voltage is applied to the cell. Make the cell removable for cleaning. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver concentration estimate
Hi Ivan and all, "Ole Bob" screwed up when he changed from resistance readings to conductive readings to specrtphotometer reads. I did not do a cross check, but I llike your math. and it will get people in the right ball park even though they are in the wrong seat. I porintout out "aubug3's data and will plot it woth Excel and see if theree are any potential prblems with such a long run. I will convert it to a .gif and post it. I don't think we can get enough data on thios process. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New CS user 2.5 ma. is a bit high
Yes Willy, You have just made a good batch of constant current CS. What is the electrode size and wet length.? "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New CS user
Willy, CG must be made using a neon sign transformer AC. The NST has built into it a large amount of reactance so that one can actually short the transformer withou it blowiong up. Its not recommended. but that property allows the current to stay the same and the voltage to vary as required. A transformer froma fuel burner will not last. To make CG really requires some tooling to make the brew cell. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New CS user
Hi Satchid, I have printed out the web site listed. Man is that ever loaded with misconseptions DO NOT FOLLOW IT Go back into the archives and read some of my post. Look for Robert Berger. I will help you anyway that I can to make good CS. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>The American Sentinal & CS
Hi Ya'all, I just read the latest issue of The American Sentinel and their flier on making colloidal silver. Mr. Lee Bellinger is pushing for everyone to make their own CS, which is a very good idea. Unfortunately he is offering a 9 volt unit and instruction for only $149.00!! He references the work "Our Mightiest Germ Fighter" as well as several others. I applaud him for this but the price is too high. I emailed him and said so. It will be interesting if I get a reply. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Chart voltage,
Hi Y'all, Sorry I left off the voltage. It was 26.0 volts DC. "ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:Wayne's site
Hi Judith, To stop that nonesense dump the icrosort browsers and get Netscape. It is free, and that stuff does no happne. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>chart LVDC Const Volt CS-gif
Hi ya'all, The attached .gif file is for work done on 5/3/00 as part of my investigation of different CS manufacturing protocols. This shows the importance of current measuring during brewing. Note that there is no run-away of current as the agglomeration limits the current. The next chart will be for 330 volts DC. and has some very interesting twists to it. "Ole Bob: <>
Re: CS>Re: HVDC
Hi Ken And All, The tungsten filament of a light bulb is a varialbe resistor. As it heats up the resistance increases. It is hard to find a bulb that has less that about 20 ma. rating, but they are there. When used properly they can act like a ballast lamp (constant current device), but that takes more skill than is generally in the EE notebooks. (I designed them for Western Electric) When in the off state the resistance of a 100 watt 120 v bulb is 10 ohms. When 120 v is applied to it the current spikes and the filament starts getting hot, sbout 2000 Kelvin. When full on the current is .833 amps and the resistance is about 144 ohms. Remember a lamp is pure resistance so power factor does not enter in. The rain water in KC MO is not useable!!! Too many impurities. > A question for the electrical techies... > A light bulb drops more voltage as it heats up? NO the voltage stays > constant > > "Ole Bob"
Re: CS>CS & wattage
Hi Rich, Go to Radio Shack and buy their 1 1/2v dc motor for $1.50 glue it on to the lid. For a stirrer use a 3" length of #14 insulated house wire. Slid the copper out about 1/4" and cut it off. the other end will slid on to the motor shaft. Put about a 15 deg bend in the far end. Limit the current as the little dude will stir up a storm. "Ole Bob; -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS & wattage
Hi Terry, I would guess that any voltage within reason could be used to make CS as it is the energy put into the cell that does the work. The only problem with 600 v DC might be that the instantaneous energy may be so high that large "chuncks" are blasted off the wires. To answer that would be expensive as each set up to arive at an optinum would require a T.E.M. at $75.00. That would be a whole bunch of money. As mentioned earlier the area under a current time curve when multip[led by voltage is the energy needed to make the CS. It would be a lot of math but it could be worked out. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> HVAC
Hi Bill, The high reading of 160 says that you have NO3 and possibly NO2. No question about it. That is why you cannot use a Hanna meter to measure ppm even relatively. I would like a detailed description of your unit as I have never heard of it. You can measure in 5 ppm jumps using an Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Test Kit #LR1800. I have calibrated my spectrophotometer to measure it more accurately. As long as the NO3 PPM is less that 20 to will have no problems if you sell it, as that is the legal limit. They may have a test kit for NO2 but it might not work with silver present. As I recall it takes a Hach HR nitrite kit. I beleive that is a sulfate version. You could call the company and ask. When swished around in the mouth for 2 or 3 minutes it will etch your teeth. It can be buffered with potassium citrate. Be careful if you use bicarbonate of soda as the CS will become sunlight sensitive and turn reddish in color. How did you measure the pH? I use a digital pH meter. HVAC ARC is great stuff if you know the pit falls in making it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>LVDC CS plot
Hi Ya'all, Many moons ago (1998) I made the run of LVDC CS that I have plotted for you using EXCEL. So if you have EXCEL on you machine it should open with no problem. I am new with the Excel graph program and don't know-how to get the starting point at time zero. If someone knows how I would appreciate a step by step procedure. For the uninitiated uG/cc is conductance and that is what a Hanna meter would have registered for this 11 PPM ionic brew. I have other data that shows the uG/cc curve bending towards the bottom of the plot, that is caused by agglomeration. "Ole Bob" LVDC CS Plot.xls Description: application/msexcel
Re: CS>Re: HVDC
Hi Wayne, Paralleling is bad news as the cells resistances do not necessarily track. The series is by far the best route. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Poisettia & CS
Hi Dave, I don't really know where to begin But what you are doing is a disaster!!! To make HVAC with all of your electrodes wet is the first disaster. My investigations of two wet (why 4?) was never able to make more that 9 ppm (true not hanna stuff) and it would go yellow or dirty and have silver drop out. So I abandoned that process. The cone process where one electrode is wet and the other about 1/8" to 1/4" above the DW surface will make a reasonable CS that has a lot of partilces in it as witnessed by the bright T.E. When you made the arc in air the there was a whole bunch of NO3 generated. (note arcing in air is how Dr. Farber before WWI made nitric acid to explosives.) It also makes NO2 and the twoswithc levels with time. I will attach a plot of one of my run made on 11/6/01 and retested yesterday. It is quite revealing. HVAC ARC when there is a CO2 blanket makes a product that has structured water and is almost totally ionic. Mine is 98+% ionic as checked by two labs. The T.E.M. photographs ($75.00 each run) show the size to be 1nm to 8 nm. I hve configured my spectrophotometer to measure Ag in ppm , NO3 in ppm, and NO2 in ppm. I cannot measure silverparticles. that takes an AA, and they are many kilobucks. When you get Hanna readings about 100 then you are in the nitric acid business. I hope that I have answered you questions. Yes I will test your product for all three items. The cost will be $7.50 for the first sample and $5.00 foreach additional sample in the same shipment. I will need about 2 oz. seal it well and place in a ziplock baggy for extra security. Send to: System Tech Engineering Robert L. Berger 12303 E. 89th St. Kansas City, MO 64138-5150 "ole Bob" NO3 vs NO2 in CS.xls Description: application/msexcel
Re: CS>brewing time vs wattage factor
Hi Wayne, "Ole Bob" will put in an oar at this point. If one will plot cell current vs time and integrated the area under the curve, then one has the beginnings of understanding what is going on in the brew cell. Those listees that do not use a current meter are like an ocean going vessel without a compass. (Only Marshalee is exempt). "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>comments
Hi Rich, Careless reading! The pure hype is that yellow is best not that yellow does not exist. One can get yellow many ways, i.e. just a trace of soap or detergent will make the CS go yellow. Brewing to long or at too high of a current density, or nor not stirring. You do not need to use hot water. Idon't know where that "old wive's tale" came from but junk it. I have duplicated every protocol that the listees have come up with in the last four years, (hundrerds of data logged tests) and the measured the ionic ppm with my spectrophotometer. Other people have reported browish clouds forming but I have never seen them. May be because I have never used heated water. One does not need that speed-up. It has been reported that microwaved water has some strange characteristics. I would suggest that you put a current meter in one line and turn off the voltage when the current reachs about 3 ma. Also move the electrodes out to about 2 1/2" spacing and add constant stirring to elminate agglomeration. Air bubble is a poor substitue for stirring as the action between the electerodes is tooweak. Yes three 9v Batteriesmakes good CS if you w\follow the proper rules. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Poinsettia & CS
Hi Judith, I posted Dave about his CS and he just answered me. The CS he makes has a very high concnetration of nitric acid, and that it's what killed the plant. He was not aware of that so I will help him resolve the problem. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Reasons for Newbie confusion on color
Hi Connie, Pure hype. who wants yellow CS "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Poinsettia & CS
Hi Dave, How do you make your HVAC??? If it is make by the arc method with an air blanket then you have a good sized ppm of NO3 !!! that is part of nitric acid. My HVAC ARC CSmade with a CO2 blanket will have no more and 0.0 to 2.0 ppm of NO3. I have seen some made in ait with 27 ppm of NO3, and that is disaster. Since Dr Bill Bagioli and my self developed the HVAC ARC method, please tell me exacly what you are doing. It can be great stuff with 98+% ionic silver or a real disaster. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi Trem, I do not care whose spectrophotometer one uses. It must be calibrated vs a known standard. You might go to the public library and get the video made by UCLA of spectrophotography. It give a very good explaination of how it works and what is required to calibrate one. Mine is make by Hach and I use there chemicals but it still had to be calibrated as wach mahine has its own idiosyncrasies. "Ole Bob" > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Measuring CS strength
Hi Trem, Did you buy an NBS certified standard of AgNO3 to calibrate your meter? If you did not then it will never read correctly. It took several days to calibrate my spect. as it is a lenghtly process. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>help in getting 20mA when converting 220 AC to 110 DC
Hi Reid, I don't remember who but I tested some CS for someone who was running 120 vDC and he had five one gallon cells in series. It made very good CS. That is the simplest solution and you will get large volume. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: argyria
Hi Leo, The least expensive instrument that will actually measure ppm of silver is sold by Hanna. It is a single frequency spectrophotometer and cost $150.00 plus about $100.00 for the chemicals that are required. My spectrophotometer was a new military surplus for $250.00. All other low cost meters only measure conductivity which will give a relative reading but not a true reading. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Product Consistency
Hi Marshall, When I proposed standardizong the making of LVDC three years ago, several of the old timers on this list laughted at the idea, so no one responded. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cs in milk
Hi James, His name is haShem, Adoni, El Shadi, Jehovah, Yewah, Elohim,or Johavaha. He is the creator of all things. Radical "Ole bob" "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > I think God whoever that is, made the right decision. Babies and > everyone else likes them just as they are. > > James-Osbourne: Holmes > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>argyria
Hi Hilary, Evidently you are new to the list as evidenced by the fact that you missed the key word used in the article and that was "silver protein." Stay away from any CS labeled more that 20 or 30 ppm as they probably have a silver compound in them, and that is where the problem lies. Electro colloid as poeple on this list make will not cause argyria!! You would drown in it first. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>mystery URL
Hi Kevin, Yes, but did you notice that most of his references were for Ag(e) or ionic silver! The big flap on this list is ions vs particles and in my opinion he gives the ion silver a boost. None of us make silver protein. "Ole Bob" Kevin Nolan wrote: > Bob - do you realise this article is flogging msp (mild silver protein) as > top stuff? > > Kevin Nolan > > - Original Message - > From: > To: "silver-list" > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:45 AM > Subject: CS>mystery URL > > > Hi Ya'all, > > > > This is the exact URL that is on the heading of the 15 page print > > out.http://smart-drugs.net/ias-silverJamesSouth.htm. > > > > Somebody on this list published the URL several days ago and I went to > > it and printed the article. > > When I went there today the article is gone The rticles were numbers > > and it was number 15 (I think) > > > > I also printed the article on SAMe which is very good and it works for > > joint problems where glucosomine and chrondition and MSM did not. > > > > If on one can find it, I will make copies for anyone, but it will take a > > 9"x 11" envelope with 3 $0.34 stamps. > > > > "Ole Bob" > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>Smartpdrugs.net
Hi Ya'all, For those of you who have joint pains go the the www.smart-drugs.net and fnd the 10 page report on "SAMe". Today when I took my dog for a walk I realized that my left knee had ablosutely no pains. Read that SAME report it appears to good for a great many things. "Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Mystery #2
Hi Ya'all, I just went to the URL www.smart-drugs.net and the article was not there so are started hiting a few keys (I think the cursor got on to the down arrow at the right wnd of the address box and up came the article. So I saved it as a microsoft word file. If you can't find it let me know and I will forward it of of the list. It might be to big for Mike. "Ole Bob" ?? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>mystery URL
Hi Ya'all, This is the exact URL that is on the heading of the 15 page print out.http://smart-drugs.net/ias-silverJamesSouth.htm. Somebody on this list published the URL several days ago and I went to it and printed the article. When I went there today the article is gone The rticles were numbers and it was number 15 (I think) I also printed the article on SAMe which is very good and it works for joint problems where glucosomine and chrondition and MSM did not. If on one can find it, I will make copies for anyone, but it will take a 9"x 11" envelope with 3 $0.34 stamps. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>smart-drugs
Hi Ya'all, The URL www.smart-drugs.net is well worth printing out ALL 15 pages of it. Read it carefully as it talks very much about Ag(e) or as we note Ag-. To me is says make the CS with the weakest T.E. possible for a given concentration. Note that some levels the author talks about are 0.01 PPM In my mind it settles the ionic vs particle question that has been floating around the list for months. I go for ionic CS !! I don't know who put this on the list but I thank you for it. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cs and ph
Hi T.J. It came in yesterday, Thanks. Testing for pH is of little value with LVDC as they generally come in about 6 hP unless you have low pH DW. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS Generator design parameters
Hi Ya'all, 1). Constant voltage CS generation is plagued with current run-away if not current metered and supervised. When the current starts to run away the 2). With constant current the primary consideration is current density on the silver anode. With the current regulated to one milliampere per square inch of wet electrode then 10 to 15 ppm with a weak T.E. is possible., and it is very easy to scale up to larger volumes of DW. 3). My original work with constant current was with 14 oz. of DW in a 16 oz clear plastic SOLO cup from the paper department of the local grocery store. The cell parameters were 2 1/2" electrode spacing using #14 Ag .999 purity, with 5" of wet length. (this is one square inch of wet surface) The mechanical stirrer was between the electrodes to get a maximun rotating sweeping liquid flow to move out the silver coming off of the anode. The DC supply was 26 volts and the regulator was set for one ma. 4). To scale up to one gallon, divide 128 oz/gal. by 14 oz. This yields a scaling factor of 9.14. To maintain the same conditions as the original model then one needs 9.14 square inches of wet anode. If you choose to use sheet material remember that it has two sides and two edges. Set your current regulator to 9 or 10 ma. and you are in business. This is by no means the ultimate in design but will allow one to make a gallon of 10 to 15 ppm CS that is crystal clear and will be stable and have a vey weak T.E., in about two hours. I am sure others have better ideas but I have data plots on what I have done. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: a reason to buy 400ppm CS
Hi Ken The bike generators have permanent magnets fields so just changing the wires on the one that run backwards will work. "Ole Bob" Ode Coyote wrote: > Way cool! > Using the gooseneck and an extension with a vane on the back keeps the > wheel turned into the wind. Bending the fork assembley to get rid of the > rake angle so the pivot is in line with the axle helps. [grunt] > Nice thing about the bike generator is that it's made to clamp onto the > forks and will turn with them. Battery can be mounted to turn with the > assembly too..charged and changed. [cordless power..by wheel barrow] > Humm, might could suspend the whole thing from a pully in a tree top to > access more wind. > Considered but not tried...ganging two bike generators [6v] to get 12 v. > There's room for 4 generators on a set of forks. But two would turn > backwards. [is that a problem beyond wiring?] > Humm, where is that old junk bike stuff...? > K > > At 09:07 AM 12/9/01 GMT, you wrote: > >On Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:47:49 -0500, Ode Coyote > >wrote: > >> Has anyone ever thought to take an old bicycle wheel, front forks, bike > >>light generator and some plastic jug slices for wind vanes in the spokes to > >>make a wind generator out of it? > > > >Yup. Only I used slats from an old venetian blind (cut to length). > >And a bike light generator is too small. Take the tire off and rig a > >rope around a somewhat bigger generator. The only problem was keeping > >it turned into the wind. > > > >-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Re: Eniva's "angstrom sized ionic minerals"
Hi D.G., Contact "Ole Bob" off the list for how to make a one gallon unit. Been there and done that. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: a reason to buy 400ppm CS
Hi Reid, Some time ago the technical source of light adsorption by particle size was cited on this list and as Marshall of Roger pointed out the the T.E. is affected to the first power by the concentartion and the brightness to the thrid power of the particle size. Alos the color adsorption that happens when white light is passed through it is a function of particle size. So a bright T.E. and a green color screams "large particles." The people on this list have been schooled that color means large particles. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: Eniva's "angstrom sized ionic minerals"
Ivan and Ken et al, The following is VERY interesting. "Ole Bob" has been fighting a problem in regards to "introduce Ag+ cations into water, without adding anions." When I contacted a very brilliant industrial chemist about a problem that I have with HVAC ARC CS being very low on pH, and told him how I was making it with only "DW and silver," his very first question was "what is the anion"? There has to be one!! The anion just happens to be nitrogen that is dissolved in the water, and it is almost impossible to remove it. Hence NO3 is formed. I have tried vacuum boiling of DW, boiling with heat and covering with Argon and using Argon shields during transfer and brewing and what do I get 20 PPM of NO3 !!! > The definition of a dissolved salt requires both cations and anions. > If Eniva can introduce Ag+ cations into the water, without adding > anions, then this is not a dissolved salt. Eniva claim to do this by a > vacuum plasma process. > > >>DG, if you are convinced their product is truly superior, I'd love > to here more from you as to your experience using it. At the moment, > things are not quite adding up.<< > > That would be interesting. > > Ivan. If there is an Ag+ cation then there absolutely must be a XX- anion, or the laws of chemistry have been repelled. You are right Ivan 2+2 is coming out 3 1/2 !! "Ole Bob" >
Re: CS>VIRUS ALERT BROOKS BRADLEY
Broooks, Change over to NEtsacpe and most of that crap will cease. Get Zonealarm PRO also. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>burning
Nick, Whose CS are they using and how is it made. If it is commercial and made by the HVAC ARC method it can have a pH of 1.9 to 2.2 which is very acid. If the maker used a CO2 gas blanket then the acid is carbonic like soda pop. but if the gas cover on the brew cell is air then it is NITRIC ACID, and that is BAD news. CS made by the LVDC is basically about 6 pH and should not cause problems. Five to ten part per million of silver in distilled water should not have that kind of effect. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: a reason to buy 400ppm CS
Hi Again Reid. I just revisited the eductate-yourself.org web site and there in nothing new that I have done 3 to 4 years ago I have the data plots to prove it. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: a reason to buy 400ppm CS
Hi Reid, I just noticed something in your post. My polarity switching was at one minute intervals. During the investigation I use 12, 24, 36, 48, 60, and 90 seconds. Been there and done that. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: a reason to buy 400ppm CS
Hi Kevin, Thanks for reminding me of the green color. That turned me off. but since it has been brought up I will check it out. "Ole Bob" Kevin Nolan wrote: > Looking at the image of a beaker of CS on their web page > http://educate-yourself.org/products.html, seems to me to be a turbid > product with a greenish tinge - indicative of a fairly low quality, coarse > particle product. Reid - does your brew look like that shown there? > > kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au > > - Original Message - > From: "Reid Harvey" > To: "silver list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:11 PM > Subject: CS>Re: a reason to buy 400ppm CS > > > John, > > No, concentrated CS can easily be the eloctrolysis variety. Actually I > > make it myself, purchsed for saturating water filters, ingesting. But > > upto the immenent point of making the 10ppm CS, after Terry > > Chamberlain's generator design, my family has been ingesting the ~170ppm > > CS, with excellant results (diluted of course). I do not have a URL > > handy, but the concentrated CS generator I use was made by > > educate-yourself.org, and I believe it to be utterly reliable. The > > process uses polarity reversal and heat, just under boiling. > > Reid > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: a reason to buy 400ppm CS
Hi Reid, Go back in the archives!!! I introduced and sold polarity reversal units several years ago. At that time it was a constant voltage generator, all electronic. To do it with constant current I would have to use a relay for the switch. What are you using, constant voltage or current? I will setup like I have in the past when people come up with a new procedures and verify the results. Have you had a commercial test of the product? Awaiting your answers. "Ole Bob" Reid Harvey wrote: > Ole Bob, > With all due respects for your great contribution to the understanding > of CS, you are wrong on this question. There are several good reasons > that I know the concentrated CS we use is not the nitrate. Firstly, I > make this myself using only the de-ionized water and the silver rods. > There is absolutely no other material in the process. > > Could it be that a missing link in your understanding is the polarity > reversal? I avoid the current runaway that leads to oxidation by > switching poles every minute. > > A reason that I know that the Mexican CSproducts, Microdyn and Biopur > are NOT silver nitrate is that if they were they wouldn't work in the > saturation of our water purifiers. As with our collaborators in > Nicaragua, Potters for Peace, we saturate our earthenware purifiers with > these Mexican CS products, with good results. If Biopur and Microdyn > were silver nitrate the silver wouldn't lodge in the purifier matrix. It > would get washed out the very first time water was put through the > purifier. The fact that numerous lab tests have proven that the the > purifier is 100% effective at killing pathogens is proof that silver is > in there. Note: the purifier is about 80% effective when the CS is NOT > used. > > As I've said in a previous posting, the concentrated CS generator I use > was made by educate-yourself.org. The folks there have told me that to > > make CS that's more concentrated than the ~170ppm we get with four > hours, additional time is what is needed. So, for example, if you want > ~500ppm you would operate the generator for twelve hours. > > You and others on this list have variously stated that it is impossible > to make CS with concentration higher than about 30 to 50ppm. On the > other hand you've recently tested a CS that was about 100ppm. (That it > was supposed to have been 500ppm suggests to me that the manufacturer > had a bit of the current runaway, but not enough to see that the > solution had gone gray.) Doesn't this give you a proof that the higher > concentrations are indeed possible? > > I think that the doubting Thomases here should put on there thinking > caps, and imagine that there are ways of making CS other than the ones > we know and love. Our resident expert Roger Altman has been gracious > enough to provide us with equations in physical chemistry that prove > that the higher concentrations are indeed possible. I am concerned that > if we continue being uninformed on this process we run the risk of > turning away those would-be entrepreneurs who could do a great service > by providing concentrated CS in poor countries. The reality of Microdyn > and Biopur needs desperately to be replicated in other countries. > Regards, > Reid Harvey > Ceramic Industrial Designer > The Arsenic Research Group > Dhaka, Bangladesh > > Ole Bob wrote: > Hi Reid, > If you want concentrated Silver then buy Silver nitrate!!! > They are buying some kind of compound. It is not Electro-colloid.!!! > > I have never seen an analysis of the Mexican products, but having lived > in > the tropics for 9 years I wouldn't trust that stuff on bet. > > "Ole Bob" > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>a reason to buy 400ppm CS
Hi Reid, If you want concentrated Silver then buy Silver nitrate!!! They are buying some kind of compound. It is not Electro-colloid.!!! I have never seen an analysis of the Mexican products, but having lived in the tropics for 9 years I wouldn't trust that stuff on bet. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>For the Techies
Hi Arnold, I read the paper on the UL that you listed. It has to do with growing large sized silver prisims of 100 nm. This is away beyond what we make as electro-colloid. I have a T.E.M.made by the Univ. of Texas of crystal clear CS that has particles from 18 nmto 86 nm. To think that one can judge particle size by color is a gross error. "Ole Bob" Arnold Beland wrote: > Here is independent verification for the technique of judging particle > size by color. http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011129S0005 Arnold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Robey Mark 4 generator/test results
Hi Ivan, That was no typo !!! In looking inside of the bottle cap the plastic liner was gone and the cardboard was soaked. The CS had a funny sweet smell to it. Notice also the pH of that CS 7+ "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Agent Orange exposure
Hi Jules, The McDonagh Medical Center in KC MO treats agent orange victims with EDTA chelation by the IV method. The problem with agent orange is that it hids in our fat tissues and it come out very slowly. "Ole Bob" wwen...@aol.com wrote: > Lists, > > I have a friend whose brother was exposed in Vietnam to Agent Orange. At > least once a month he gets severe rashes on both arms, with extreme itching, > inflammation and pustules. Also approximately once a month he will get > extremely ill with nausea and vomiting. Does anyone have any experience with > this, or suggestions for treatment, whether herbal or frequency based, or > anything else he could try? > > Thanks as always for your input, > > Jules > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS effectiveness
Hi Wayne, Swish the CS in you mouth for about 4 to 5 minutes sos the ionic portion will go into the blood stream fast. It work very well for me in a similar circumstance. "Ole Bob" > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>500 PPM colloidal silver test results
Hi Ya'all, About a month ago someone sent me a sample of a commercial 500 ppm CS. At the time I tested the ionic portion as 93.6 ppm. I sent the material to Kimbal labs for total silver analysis and it came back 553 ppm. AS you wll recall there was a post about a week ago that indicated that three people had aquired argyria throught the use of high ppm colloidal silver 200 to 500 ppm. That material IS NOT electro-colloid as we on this list make. So don't get excited about getting argyria from what you make. You would drownd first. "Ole BOb" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS effectiveness
Hi Terry, Allergic reaction is not due to "bugs" but to the formation of histamines (or something) in the blood. About ten years ago at age 70 I used 35% H2O2 to get rid of a lifetime allergy problem. CS wont work on allergies. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Is CS and Chlorine combination DANGEROUS?
Hi Jim, Why are people buying 400 PPM collisal silver compounds?? "ole Bob" Jim Meissner wrote: > Dear Group: > > I just hear a disturbing story about a severe reaction between CS and > swimming pool water. The story is: The father put some 400 PPM CS on a > small abrasion on his son's arm. After going swimming it became violently > inflamed and the son ran a very high fever. He called the local alternative > health doctor who explained that CS and chlorine is a very dangerous > combination. Could this be true? I know all the people involved and could > ask more questions. > > Does anyone know? > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS and Argyria
Hi John, the stirrer is a 2 1/2" length of #14 insulated copper house wire. Cut the piece about 2 3/4",then strip off 1/4" so that you cna clamp it in a vise or pliers, and slide the insulation off about 1/4". Then cut off the visible copper. Put a 1`5 deg bend about 3/4" from the end with the copper in it. The other end will pish on to the motor shaft. You can ho glue or epoxy the motor to the brew cell lid. The only time I have used H2O2 was in CS studies, and not for consumption. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS and Argyria
Hi John, Two things; 1.) Chuck the bubbler and go to mechanical stirring with a 1 1/2 v dc Radio shack motor. Mechanical stirring has more action between the electrodes than does bubbling, and makes a better product. Check the T.E.'s to see which is weaker for the same brew time. Stronger the T.E. the more particles and less ionic silver (that is what your PWT's measure). 2.) When I add H2O2 to my HVAC ARC CS that has no T.E., instantaneously there is formed a strong T.E. which says that agglomeration has set in in a big way. I hope this helps your understanding. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>alkalizing/Carey Reams/ OT?
TJ, What is the purpose pf alkalizing? "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
