RE: CS>Reply

[Dr. James McCourt]

I tested the SOTA products a few years ago and found that they did work for me.

-Original Message-
From: HARSHA GODAVARI [mailto:h.godav...@shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:59 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Reply

... "blood of bacteria,"?
care to elaborate on what " blood of bacteria," is and isn't ?

:-)

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From: "bob Larson" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:46:40 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Reply


...blood "energizer" ? 
care to elaborate on what energized blood is and isn't ? 
the Beck device, which this IS, is supposed to kill microbes that pass through 
the electric current path, CLEANING the blood of bacteria, virus, etc 
hopefully, by killing them. 
what it can do to blood is damage it if used too much. 
read into the history of the Beck Protocol and Sota Instruments and believe 
what you will. i wouldn't again waste a couple hundred $ on a Sota Mag 
Pulser or any other that isn't much more powerful and oscillating field with 
controlloble frequency (like a Doug Coil). the Sota Mag Pulser meets the Beck 
requirements which are inadequate generally to do much real work beyond selling 
Sota products. 




From: Phil Morrison [mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 9:47 AM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CS>Reply 








Sota Instrument silver pulser is a blood energizer. 

Blood cells might be under performing. 

Pulser whips cells back to normal again. 


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Re: CS>Reply

[HARSHA GODAVARI]

Hi Mike:
 I was just pulling his leg. In a reply  to a message from Phil 
Morrison (who said "blood energizer" referring to Sota instruments..) Bob 
responded with ..."Blood energizer
Care to explain..." then went on to say"...BLOOD of bacteria, viruses...". 
There should have been a comma after 'blood of' to indicate bacteria etc are 
removed from blood. The way he has written that sentence, attaches 'blood' to 
'bacteria'.
 
Of course most of the time the reader corrects the sentence automatically and 
understands what the author meant. Bob was not having that. Someone said 'blood 
energizer' instead of 'blood purifier' and Bob started his answer with:

" blood energizer.."?
Care to explain."

so I quoted his first two sentences, replaceing,'blood energizer' with his own 
"blood of bacteria" blooper. I was pointing out that we all make mistakes 
(spelling/grammer etc).

No harm meant just a bit of leg pulling.

regards
hg



- Original Message -
From: "M.G. Devour" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 7:33:36 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Reply

HARSHA asks:
> ... "blood of bacteria,"?
> care to elaborate on what " blood of bacteria," is and isn't ?

I take it to mean any bacteria that is crawling around in the
bloodstream gets destroyed by whatever mechanism. 

Bob wrote:
> the Beck device, which this IS, is supposed to kill microbes that pass
> through the electric current path, CLEANING the blood of bacteria,
> virus, etc hopefully, by killing them. 

A clear enough sentence, I believe? Of course none of us KNOW anything
at all, given the paucity of "gold standard" double- or triple-blind
studies on statistically significant patient populations.

We merely have many thousands of "anecdotal" reports of clinical
results. Purely hearsay and old wive's tales, dontcha know? 



Be well,

Mike D.




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Re: CS>Reply

[Jane MacRoss]

of is better

Jane
---

cleaning the blood of crapola, scum, bugs, and fuzzies that don't beling 
in

it.
maybe better "from"
whatever, 



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Re: CS>Reply

[dAVId]

This is a page to a godzilla, we used to make years back for such things,
it is simple and easy to make.
I used it for an infected tooth and prostrate infection works well for
those things.
We used a six volt dry lantern battery, two wires with alligator clips
which goes to the batter, other end connected to a six pennie finishing
nail, inserted into half a car wash dampened sponge, you must alternate
ankles, wrist, jaw, with equal time.  I found CS works just as well, so I
have not used it for some time. david lubbock tx.
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2006/10/25/build_your_own_for_almost_free_electromedical_research_devices.htm
this page looks close to what we made.


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, bob Larson  wrote:

> cleaning the blood of crapola, scum, bugs, and fuzzies that don't beling in
> it.
> maybe better "from"
> whatever, you know what i'm talking about
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: HARSHA GODAVARI [mailto:h.godav...@shaw.ca]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:59 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Reply
> >
> > ... "blood of bacteria,"?
> > care to elaborate on what " blood of bacteria," is and isn't ?
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "bob Larson" 
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:46:40 PM
> > Subject: RE: CS>Reply
> >
> >
> > ...blood "energizer" ?
> > care to elaborate on what energized blood is and isn't ?
> > the Beck device, which this IS, is supposed to kill microbes
> > that pass through the electric current path, CLEANING the
> > blood of bacteria, virus, etc hopefully, by killing them.
> > what it can do to blood is damage it if used too much.
> > read into the history of the Beck Protocol and Sota
> > Instruments and believe what you will. i wouldn't again
> > waste a couple hundred $ on a Sota Mag Pulser or any other
> > that isn't much more powerful and oscillating field with
> > controlloble frequency (like a Doug Coil). the Sota Mag
> > Pulser meets the Beck requirements which are inadequate
> > generally to do much real work beyond selling Sota products.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Phil Morrison [mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 9:47 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: CS>Reply
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sota Instrument silver pulser is a blood energizer.
> >
> > Blood cells might be under performing.
> >
> > Pulser whips cells back to normal again.
> >
> >
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RE: CS>Reply

[bob Larson]

cleaning the blood of crapola, scum, bugs, and fuzzies that don't beling in
it.
maybe better "from" 
whatever, you know what i'm talking about  

> -Original Message-
> From: HARSHA GODAVARI [mailto:h.godav...@shaw.ca] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:59 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Reply
> 
> ... "blood of bacteria,"?
> care to elaborate on what " blood of bacteria," is and isn't ?
> 
> :-)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "bob Larson" 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:46:40 PM
> Subject: RE: CS>Reply
> 
> 
> ...blood "energizer" ? 
> care to elaborate on what energized blood is and isn't ? 
> the Beck device, which this IS, is supposed to kill microbes 
> that pass through the electric current path, CLEANING the 
> blood of bacteria, virus, etc hopefully, by killing them. 
> what it can do to blood is damage it if used too much. 
> read into the history of the Beck Protocol and Sota 
> Instruments and believe what you will. i wouldn't again 
> waste a couple hundred $ on a Sota Mag Pulser or any other 
> that isn't much more powerful and oscillating field with 
> controlloble frequency (like a Doug Coil). the Sota Mag 
> Pulser meets the Beck requirements which are inadequate 
> generally to do much real work beyond selling Sota products. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Phil Morrison [mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 9:47 AM 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Subject: CS>Reply 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sota Instrument silver pulser is a blood energizer. 
> 
> Blood cells might be under performing. 
> 
> Pulser whips cells back to normal again. 
> 
> 
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RE: CS> Reply

[bob Larson]

...that's 4 cycles per second, which is slow enough to be called alternating
polarity direct current in some applications, like this one.
polarity is reversed to hopefully prevent irritating the skin... for the
blood cleaning DC would be fine like from a battery which is just as
effective and is a whole lot cheaper.




From: Phil Morrison [mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:40 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS> Reply





Mike  ... Sota silver pulser frequency is ~3.92 Hz with Bi-Phasic
Square Wave @ 31 volts (+/- 1 volt) peak per cycle.   Max current through
electrodes is ~8 milliamperes into 1,000 ohms, ~ 12 milliamperes into short
circuit at 31 Volts peak per cycle.  



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Re: CS>Reply

[M.G. Devour]

HARSHA asks:
> ... "blood of bacteria,"?
> care to elaborate on what " blood of bacteria," is and isn't ?

I take it to mean any bacteria that is crawling around in the
bloodstream gets destroyed by whatever mechanism. 

Bob wrote:
> the Beck device, which this IS, is supposed to kill microbes that pass
> through the electric current path, CLEANING the blood of bacteria,
> virus, etc hopefully, by killing them. 

A clear enough sentence, I believe? Of course none of us KNOW anything
at all, given the paucity of "gold standard" double- or triple-blind
studies on statistically significant patient populations.

We merely have many thousands of "anecdotal" reports of clinical
results. Purely hearsay and old wive's tales, dontcha know? 



Be well,

Mike D.




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Re: CS>Reply

[Gail Naranjo]

I think we might be getting the terminology confused perhaps?  Sota's silver 
pulser is their blood electrification unit which can also make CS.  It does 
both.  Blood electrification is also known to increase the ATP, I've heard by 
as much as 500%.  How true that is I don't know, but do know it does increase 
my energy when using it, for whatever that's worth.  I've never heard of it 
damaging the blood even with continued use.
 
Sota's magnetic pulser is a completely different unit.
 
Gail



On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:59 AM, HARSHA GODAVARI  
wrote:
  
... "blood of bacteria,"?
care to elaborate on what " blood of bacteria," is and isn't ?

:-)

- Original Message -
From: "bob Larson" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:46:40 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Reply


...blood "energizer" ? 
care to elaborate on what energized blood is and isn't ? 
the Beck device, which this IS, is supposed to kill microbes that pass through 
the electric current path, CLEANING the blood of bacteria, virus, etc 
hopefully, by killing them. 
what it can do to blood is damage it if used too much. 
read into the history of the Beck Protocol and Sota Instruments and believe 
what you will. i wouldn't again waste a couple hundred $ on a Sota Mag 
Pulser or any other that isn't much more powerful and oscillating field with 
controlloble frequency (like a Doug Coil). the Sota Mag Pulser meets the Beck 
requirements which are inadequate generally to do much real work beyond selling 
Sota products. 




From: Phil Morrison [mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 9:47 AM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CS>Reply 








Sota Instrument silver pulser is a blood energizer. 

Blood cells might be under performing. 

Pulser whips cells back to normal again. 


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Re: CS>Reply

[HARSHA GODAVARI]

... "blood of bacteria,"?
care to elaborate on what " blood of bacteria," is and isn't ?

:-)

- Original Message -
From: "bob Larson" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:46:40 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Reply


...blood "energizer" ? 
care to elaborate on what energized blood is and isn't ? 
the Beck device, which this IS, is supposed to kill microbes that pass through 
the electric current path, CLEANING the blood of bacteria, virus, etc 
hopefully, by killing them. 
what it can do to blood is damage it if used too much. 
read into the history of the Beck Protocol and Sota Instruments and believe 
what you will. i wouldn't again waste a couple hundred $ on a Sota Mag 
Pulser or any other that isn't much more powerful and oscillating field with 
controlloble frequency (like a Doug Coil). the Sota Mag Pulser meets the Beck 
requirements which are inadequate generally to do much real work beyond selling 
Sota products. 




From: Phil Morrison [mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 9:47 AM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CS>Reply 








Sota Instrument silver pulser is a blood energizer. 

Blood cells might be under performing. 

Pulser whips cells back to normal again. 


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RE: CS>Reply

[bob Larson]

...blood "energizer" ?
care to elaborate on what energized blood is and isn't ?
the Beck device, which this IS, is supposed to kill microbes that pass
through the electric current path, CLEANING the blood of bacteria, virus,
etc hopefully, by killing them.
what it can do to blood is damage it if used too much.
read into the history of the Beck Protocol and Sota Instruments and believe
what you will. i wouldn't again waste a couple hundred $ on a Sota Mag
Pulser or any other that isn't much more powerful and oscillating field with
controlloble frequency (like a Doug Coil).  the Sota Mag Pulser meets the
Beck requirements which are inadequate generally to do much real work beyond
selling Sota products.


  _  

From: Phil Morrison [mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 9:47 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Reply




Sota Instrument silver pulser is a blood energizer.


Blood cells might be under performing.   

Pulser whips cells back to normal again. 

RE: CS> Reply

[bob Larson]

sota pulser isn't much of a CS generator ... handy for a travel kit maybe.
it's a Beck type "blood cleaner", NOT a zapper


  _  

From: Phil Morrison [mailto:philmorrison...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:52 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS> Reply



I am much obliged to silver-list member for posting referral to

Vince Goetsch "Colloidal Silver Analysis and Theoretical Overview."


Really great study.


Sota Instrument offers top notch silver pulser and CS generator combo

in one small package.   This unit makes excellent CS and provides

pulser (zapper) for the special situations.   

RE: CS> Reply

[Neville]

No problem Phil, just keep in mind though, not all things written about silver 
preparations refer to all things silver related.  One still has to make some of 
their own determinations on some matters.  By my 'reading between the lines' of 
much literature over some years I have a much more positive belief and a far 
better understanding in such matters silver preparation related.  My 
conclusions may only satisfy myself, but then I'm the only person who needs to 
be satisfied anyway .
N.

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 17:51:47 -0500
Subject: CS> Reply
From: philmorrison...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com


I am much obliged to silver-list member for posting referral to
Vince Goetsch "Colloidal Silver Analysis and Theoretical Overview."

Really great study.


Sota Instrument offers top notch silver pulser and CS generator combo
in one small package.   This unit makes excellent CS and provides
pulser (zapper) for the special situations.   
  

Re: CS>Reply: Blue Man

[Tony Moody]

On 14 Feb 2008 at 14:59, Marshall Dudley wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>Reply: Blue Man

> Colleen wrote:
> > I'm getting pretty tired of all this blame the victim attitude.  He
> > did it.  He has to live with it.  Enough said.  I know that I
> > personally take CS because I was sick.  I was sick, my husband was
> > sick, and the medical professionals were not able to do anything but
> > throw pills and perform surgeries.  So shut the F*** up.  Dude was
> > just trying to get well.  Did he do anything that any of us
> > wouldn't?  
> 
> Well, yes. I don't think anyone here would drink silver chloride since
> we all know it will turn you blue. After all this is the colloidal
> silver list, not the silver chloride list.
> 
> Marshall

Hi Marshall,

I am probably taking silver chloride; in smallish quantities, low 
concentration, made with 
constant current as per Bob Bergers specs 1mA/inch^2, but made with about 250 
ml tap 
water in about 3 minutes;   Not blue yet and have been doing this sporadically 
since about 
1997

Tony Moody

> > There are folks drinking thier own urine.  Who are we to point a
> > finger?  C
> >
> > 
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Re: CS>Reply: Blue Man

[Marshall Dudley]

Colleen wrote:
I'm getting pretty tired of all this blame the victim attitude.  He 
did it.  He has to live with it.  Enough said.  I know that I 
personally take CS because I was sick.  I was sick, my husband was 
sick, and the medical professionals were not able to do anything but 
throw pills and perform surgeries.  So shut the F*** up.  Dude was 
just trying to get well.  Did he do anything that any of us wouldn't?  


Well, yes. I don't think anyone here would drink silver chloride since 
we all know it will turn you blue. After all this is the colloidal 
silver list, not the silver chloride list.


Marshall
There are folks drinking thier own urine.  Who are we to point a 
finger?  C



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Re: CS>reply requested

[Faith Saint Francis]

Thanks Mike!
I did not take it that harshly, really;
always say that I have "fingers of lead" when it comes to computing. This 
electronic device really newver was my favorite, and the luciferian 
atmosphere around it causes me a  lot of problems.


Now one other little questions, my dear friends:

Now do I activate the junk mail folder on this thing?

Thanks in advance for any good advice.

Hope to hear some about my posts too, now that the "reply receipt" annoyance 
is off the air.


And:
Behold the turtle (so wise a li'll anemule)
It makes progress ONLY wennits neck is out
(duee??)
Faith, playing with words in your (my second) language.
Byeesh!

: "M. G. Devour" 

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>reply requested
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:32:13 -5

It's good to hear from you again, Faith.

Please don't take offense. I don't thing anybody was angry. The most I
saw was some mild annoyance! 

Thanks for turning it off. Return reciept request is only useful on the
rare occasion when it's really important to know when somebody gets a
message. It's unlikely to be of value on a mailing list.

Congratulations on your retirement. It sounds to me like you are the
right kind of person to enjoy the heck out of it! 

My best to you and Vilma.

Peace,

Mike D.

> Well,
> thought I'd write a few things,
> then got many remarks about "reply requested".
> Can anybody, instead of sending me agry notes,
> explain what the problem is?
> For your information:
> I turned it off.
> Take Care,
> Faith
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Re: CS>reply requested

[debbiegerard99]

I didn't either and was waiting to see what the fuss was all about...debbie

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> Hi, 
> 
> I had no problem and saw no 'reply requested' on any of your letters. Could 
> be because I have a Mac? 
> 
> Jean 
> 
>  
> 
> > Well, 
> > thought I'd write a few things, 
> > then got many remarks about "reply requested". 
> > Can anybody, instead of sending me agry notes, 
> > explain what the problem is? 
> > For your information: 
> > I turned it off. 
> > Take Care, 
> > Faith 
> > 
> > _ 
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> 
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Re: CS>reply requested

[Gail Evans]

I had no problem either, and I am on a PC.

ge
www.livingnow.net/gevans

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From: 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: CS>reply requested



Hi,

I had no problem and saw no 'reply requested' on any of your letters. 
Could

be because I have a Mac?

Jean



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Re: CS>reply requested

[debbiegerard99]

Be sure and write what you were going to write Faith you were missedand I 
hope you are enjoying reitirement :)...debbie

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> thought I'd write a few things, 
> then got many remarks about "reply requested". 
> Can anybody, instead of sending me agry notes, 
> explain what the problem is? 
> For your information: 
> I turned it off. 
> Take Care, 
> Faith 
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Re: CS>reply requested

[M. G. Devour]

It's good to hear from you again, Faith.

Please don't take offense. I don't thing anybody was angry. The most I 
saw was some mild annoyance! 

Thanks for turning it off. Return reciept request is only useful on the 
rare occasion when it's really important to know when somebody gets a 
message. It's unlikely to be of value on a mailing list.

Congratulations on your retirement. It sounds to me like you are the 
right kind of person to enjoy the heck out of it! 

My best to you and Vilma.

Peace,

Mike D.

> Well,
> thought I'd write a few things,
> then got many remarks about "reply requested".
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> I turned it off.
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Re: CS>reply

[VEGANEXUS256]

In a message dated 16/06/2005 16:08:16 GMT Daylight Time, 
cmccau...@kayescholer.com writes:

hi
all the conditions were indentical in both experiments.
no distilled water was used.
only differencewas the fan speed.

no contamination occurred from the plastic tube

i urge you to repeat the experiment.
<< Subj: Re: CS>
 Date:  16/06/2005 16:08:16 GMT Daylight Time
 From:  cmccau...@kayescholer.com
 Reply-to:  mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 
 Hi.   In the post about making the CS using the mini fan stirrer:
 
 >>"i noted when i made cs using  low speed stirring a cloudy solution
 occured
 after 10 minute.
 
 when i made cs using high speed stirring i could not observe the the
 cloudiness or any tyndell effect at all even after 45 minutes!!!"<<
 
 I did not see anywhere in the text where the person used distilled water.
 I would think it would make a difference in the outcome is you used regular
 water or distilled water, right?   Stirring or not.  Regular water would
 make a cloudy cs solution within the 10 minutes.   Distilled water brewing
 would take much longer than 10 minutes for any change.   I've only made
 cloudy CS using regular water.  Never with distilled unless I let it run
 away overnight.   Then had mud.
 
 >>"i used a minifan with the fan removed and replaced by a q tip tube or a
 used
 pen ink tube (empty) with a diameter of about 2 mm with the motor spindle
 inserted in it."<<
 
 Also, even if the person used distilled water,  could there have been
 contamination of the water by the fan stirring rod?
 
 Just an observation.
 
 Christine Mc.
 
 
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RE: CS>Reply to Sheila- CS & Xylitol

[J & S Campbell]

Many thanks,
Sheila

> -Original Message-
> From: daddybob [mailto:daddybob52...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 15 March 2004 13:54
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Reply to Sheila- CS & Xylitol
> 
> 
> Sheila wrote:
> 
> Thanks very much for that Daddybob, glad you've been
> helped so much 
> with the
> CS an xylitol. We've just managed to buy some xylitol
> over here in the 
> UK so
> will take your experiences on board and pass them on
> to a friend with
> chronic sinus problems.
> What happened to you with the MSM? Did that also help
> your sinuses and 
> if so
> what was the protocol, just oral MSM?
> BW,
> Sheila
> 
> Sheila- taking oral MSM will eventually dry the
> sinuses. It can days and it can take LOTS of MSM.
> 
> CS & MSM will also do it as a nasal spray, possibly in
> hours. CS & DMSO will do it as a nasal spray much
> quicker, possibly in minutes. DMSO has a smell that
> some think is unpleasant but doesn't bother me. MSM
> has no odor. Remember, DMSO is the parent compound of
> MSM.
> 
> The xylitol dissolves thick mucous. After the infected
> mucous comes out, there will be a tendency for the
> nose to run clear for hours more. If that is
> uncomfortable, one could abate it by following up with
> a drying spray of either CS & MSM or CS & DMSO.
> 
> Daddybob
> 
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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

sol wrote:

> Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming
> bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox!
> However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the  total
> lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm.
> Where would one get food grade bentonite clay?
> Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS
> does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry
> if that is terminally dumb!)

It is of the opinion of most here that the actual CS does not react with the HCl
in the stomach, but that any ionic does. Then most of the silver chloride
precipitates out in the stomach.

Not a dumb question at all.

Marshall


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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

"SilverMedicine.org" wrote:

> Bill:
>
> I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have
> developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases.
>
> The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein.  One was caused by
> the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily.
> One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was
> caused by Water Oz.  The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver
> Protein.
>

We all know that MSP and silver chloride can cause argyria. Do you know of any
that have ever gotten it from real CS?

>
> Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria.
>
> I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted.

I don't either, nor even an ounce.  But if you are talking about silver chloride
or MSP, that is another story.

>  The
> individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen
> ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years.

Huh?  I though they all consumed either a silver salt or MSP.  Did you have one
that consumed true CS?  Was it true electrolytically made CS made with distilled
water? (If it was made with tap or spring water, then we would be back to the
silver salts again).  Do you have any additional details on this one?

Marshall


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RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

It is not likely the gray elbows were Argyria; that is believed to be
irreversible.

James-Osbourne: Holmes
  -Original Message-
  From: Tom & Mary McFadden [mailto:m...@axs4u.net]
  Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:37 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I
think it is as I have no PPM meter.  I usually take an ounce in am and Pm
also.  So far I have not turned any other color .
   I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches
on her elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away.  I later found
out that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that
caused a reaction.
   In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had
trouble and she is still using CS today.  Tom

---Original Message---

From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until
this
discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could
NOT
cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause
argyria.
Is there any evidence to support this contention?

I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six
years,
at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.

During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight
days.
(There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't
want to
be one of them.)

Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt,
bentonite
clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.

I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and
consider
Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.

If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's
blue is
my eyes.

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Dear Jason,
> Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that
it
> would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor.
But
> how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity
of CS,
> also the victims of the dis-information.
>
> You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on
the
> high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will
hope
> to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this
CS
> primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have
tested
> 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily
for
> various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is
no
> doctor.'
>
> For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep
throat
> while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had
had
> this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the
doctor
> after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the
game
> park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her
throat
> red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm
Microdyn,
> diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second
glass
> she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was
indicated, so
> she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family.
(We
> subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> rhinos.)
>
> It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business
of
> self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner
to
> your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape
or
> form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their
> viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard
their
> own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking
proper
> advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would
> extend to many kinds of remedies and not

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Rick Johnson]

AS a fairly new person to the list, I have an observation.

The "Subject" shown in this particular message has been around since I
joined the list.   However, the actual topic has been changed multiple
times.

If possible, can we change the subject line when the subject changes?

I receive hundreds of e-mails a day.   When I see the same subject line
over and over, I have a tendency to delete.   I have a feeling I have
missed some good messages.

I think this might be helpful.

However, I could be wrong. 

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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

Bill Missett wrote:

> There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here.  Until this
> discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT
> cause arygria.   Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria.
> Is there any evidence to support this contention?

I am not certain it has shifted.  The problem is likely that the 500 ppm CS that
is sold is really not cs, but MSP, and we do know that msp can cause argyria.
So if you call 500 ppm msp colloial silver, then yes it can, but if you say it
is not really CS, then I know of no known cases of it causing argyria.

I do believe that silver can deposit in growing tissue even when using fairly
large quantities of low ppm CS.  I have evidence of this in my finger nails
which are now growing out, and a blue area is growing out with them from when I
was drinking quarts a day for something for a week or so.  There are also
reports of gray hair darkening when taking CS, which is likely do to the same
thing, since hair and fingernails are almost identical composition.

Now that tends to raise the questions of whether some deposit may end up when
something is healing. I have never heard any evidence of this, but it does seem
possible.

>
>
> I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years,
> at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.
>
> During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
> Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
> (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to
> be one of them.)
>
> Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
> clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.
>
> I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
> Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.
>
> If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is
> my eyes.

The only place I have seen it show up is in the finger nails, and darkening of
the hair.

Marshall


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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Bill Missett]

I just read the last half of your message, and I dont think that's a bad
observation at all (about mixing CS and salt).   It may even be true.

 But it goes beyond what happens in the stomach, for I mix the two together
in a base mix which often takes months to deplete.  Maybe I am making silver
chloride by doing so.   It certainly is worth thinking about.

However, the issue is one best addressed by some of the finer minds on this
list, for my chemistry expertise is very limited.  Non-existent would be
more accurate.


- Original Message -
From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone
consuming
> bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox!
> However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the  total
> lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm.
> Where would one get food grade bentonite clay?
> Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS
> does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry
> if that is terminally dumb!)
> again, TIA,
> paula
> --
> mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com
> "--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot
> lands in the sh** first."  -Heris Serrano
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Missett" 
>
>
> > I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82
> > minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and
> > cleanse liver and kidneys.  (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two
> > liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters
of
> > fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.)
>
>
>
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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Bill Missett]

Bentonite clay is used primarily (in the U.S. anyway) for facial clay beauty
pack application, because of its well-known ability to cleanse and detox
through its high absorption characteristic (which is the same way it
deodorizes cat boxes).

I use a variety made for beauty use, because it is ground to an extremely
fine powder.


- Original Message -
From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone
consuming
> bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox!
> However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the  total
> lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm.
> Where would one get food grade bentonite clay?
> Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS
> does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry
> if that is terminally dumb!)
> again, TIA,
> paula
> --
> mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com
> "--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot
> lands in the sh** first."  -Heris Serrano
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Missett" 
>
>
> > I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82
> > minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and
> > cleanse liver and kidneys.  (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two
> > liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters
of
> > fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.)
>
>
>
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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[sol]

Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming
bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox!
However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the  total
lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm.
Where would one get food grade bentonite clay?
Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS
does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry
if that is terminally dumb!)
again, TIA,
paula
--
mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com
"--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot
lands in the sh** first."  -Heris Serrano
- Original Message -
From: "Bill Missett" 


> I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82
> minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and
> cleanse liver and kidneys.  (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two
> liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of
> fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.)




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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[SilverMedicine.org]

Bill:

In my opinion, correct!

However, that said, I'm not exactly certain what Microdyn is, as I've never
researched it.  High PPM colloidal silvers are rarely "isolated" silver...
Usually they are compounds, either silver salts or silver proteins.  The
higher the PPM, the harder it is to stabilize CS without some sort of
stabilizer.

Jason

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Missett" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> But silver chloride and mild silver protein are not true collodial silver,
> correct?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "SilverMedicine.org" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
>
>
> > Bill:
> >
> > I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have
> > developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases.
> >
> > The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein.  One was caused
by
> > the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years
daily.
> > One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria
> was
> > caused by Water Oz.  The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver
> > Protein.
> >
> > Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria.
> >
> > I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted.  The
> > individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or
sixteen
> > ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years.
> >
> > Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that
> is
> > more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the
> body;
> > the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and
> liver
> > functions are greatly supported.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Bill Missett" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
> >
> >
> > > There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here.  Until
> this
> > > discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could
NOT
> > > cause arygria.   Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause
> > argyria.
> > > Is there any evidence to support this contention?
> > >
> > > I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six
> > years,
> > > at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.
> > >
> > > During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
> > > Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
> > > (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't
want
> > to
> > > be one of them.)
> > >
> > > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt,
bentonite
> > > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.
> > >
> > > I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
> > > Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.
> > >
> > > If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's
> blue
> > is
> > > my eyes.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Reid Harvey" 
> > > To: "silver list" 
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
> > > Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Jason,
> > > > Thanks for your very thoughtful message.  I can see your point that
it
> > > > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor.
But
> > > > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> > > > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of
> CS,
> > > > also the victims of the dis-information.
> > > >
> > > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on
the
> > > > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will
hope
> > > > to do that at some point in the future.  But at present I use this
CS
> > > > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have
tested
> > > > 100% removal of fecal coliforms.  I use the high ppm secondarily for
> > > > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'wh

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Bill Missett]

But silver chloride and mild silver protein are not true collodial silver,
correct?

- Original Message -
From: "SilverMedicine.org" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Bill:
>
> I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have
> developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases.
>
> The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein.  One was caused by
> the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily.
> One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria
was
> caused by Water Oz.  The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver
> Protein.
>
> Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria.
>
> I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted.  The
> individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen
> ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years.
>
> Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that
is
> more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the
body;
> the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and
liver
> functions are greatly supported.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Bill Missett" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
>
>
> > There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here.  Until
this
> > discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT
> > cause arygria.   Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause
> argyria.
> > Is there any evidence to support this contention?
> >
> > I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six
> years,
> > at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.
> >
> > During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
> > Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
> > (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want
> to
> > be one of them.)
> >
> > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
> > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.
> >
> > I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
> > Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.
> >
> > If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's
blue
> is
> > my eyes.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Reid Harvey" 
> > To: "silver list" 
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
> > Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
> >
> >
> > > Dear Jason,
> > > Thanks for your very thoughtful message.  I can see your point that it
> > > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor.  But
> > > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> > > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of
CS,
> > > also the victims of the dis-information.
> > >
> > > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the
> > > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope
> > > to do that at some point in the future.  But at present I use this CS
> > > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested
> > > 100% removal of fecal coliforms.  I use the high ppm secondarily for
> > > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no
> > > doctor.'
> > >
> > > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat
> > > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic.  She had had
> > > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the
doctor
> > > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> > > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week.  While in the
game
> > > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat
> > > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn,
> > > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours.  By the second
glass
> > > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated,
so
> > > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> > > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> &g

RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Dennis Harwood]

Please explain further the statement: "the mild Argyria was caused by
Water Oz".

Dennis

-Original Message-
From: SilverMedicine.org [mailto:silvermedic...@silvermedicine.org] 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:24 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


Bill:

I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have
developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases.

The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein.  One was caused
by the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years
daily. One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild
Argyria was caused by Water Oz.  The third was also caused by consuming
Mild Silver Protein.

Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria.

I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted.  The
individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or
sixteen ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years.

Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that
is more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the
body; the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit,
and liver functions are greatly supported.

Kind Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Missett" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here.  Until 
> this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS
could NOT
> cause arygria.   Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause
argyria.
> Is there any evidence to support this contention?
>
> I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six
years,
> at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.
>
> During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of 
> Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.

> (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't 
> want
to
> be one of them.)
>
> Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, 
> bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.
>
> I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider 
> Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.
>
> If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's 
> blue
is
> my eyes.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Reid Harvey" 
> To: "silver list" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
> Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
>
>
> > Dear Jason,
> > Thanks for your very thoughtful message.  I can see your point that 
> > it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor.

> > But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western

> > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of 
> > CS, also the victims of the dis-information.
> >
> > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on 
> > the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I 
> > will hope to do that at some point in the future.  But at present I 
> > use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of 
> > which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms.  I use the high 
> > ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling,

> > 'where there is no doctor.'
> >
> > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat

> > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic.  She had 
> > had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to 
> > the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time 
> > she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week.  
> > While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe

> > strep (her throat
> > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm
Microdyn,
> > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours.  By the second
glass
> > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was
indicated, so
> > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> > rhinos.)
> >
> > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of

> > self treatment with Microdyn.  I suppose I have not tuned in sooner 
> > to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any 
> > shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as 
> 

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[SilverMedicine.org]

Bill:

I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have
developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases.

The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein.  One was caused by
the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily.
One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was
caused by Water Oz.  The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver
Protein.

Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria.

I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted.  The
individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen
ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years.

Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that is
more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the body;
the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and liver
functions are greatly supported.

Kind Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Missett" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here.  Until this
> discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT
> cause arygria.   Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause
argyria.
> Is there any evidence to support this contention?
>
> I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six
years,
> at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.
>
> During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
> Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
> (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want
to
> be one of them.)
>
> Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
> clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.
>
> I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
> Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.
>
> If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue
is
> my eyes.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Reid Harvey" 
> To: "silver list" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
> Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
>
>
> > Dear Jason,
> > Thanks for your very thoughtful message.  I can see your point that it
> > would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor.  But
> > how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> > educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS,
> > also the victims of the dis-information.
> >
> > You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the
> > high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope
> > to do that at some point in the future.  But at present I use this CS
> > primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested
> > 100% removal of fecal coliforms.  I use the high ppm secondarily for
> > various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no
> > doctor.'
> >
> > For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat
> > while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic.  She had had
> > this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor
> > after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> > antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week.  While in the game
> > park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat
> > red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn,
> > diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours.  By the second glass
> > she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so
> > she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> > subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> > rhinos.)
> >
> > It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of
> > self treatment with Microdyn.  I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to
> > your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or
> > form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their
> > viewpoint may be.  So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their
> > own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper
> > advice.  Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would
> > extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS.  But what
> > with lack of medical facilites, educated

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Bill Missett]

I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82
minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and
cleanse liver and kidneys.  (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two
liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of
fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.)

I've been doing the bentonite for about five years, and am just about ready
to discontinue it, as soon as my supply is used up, because I think 5 years
of cleansing should make my liver and kidneys shine in the dark.

- Original Message -
From: "sol" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


>   Ok, I'm puzzled, why would you drink sea salt and bentonite clay?
> TIA,
> paula
> --
> mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com
> "--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot
> lands in the sh** first."  -Heris Serrano
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Missett" 
>
> >
> > Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
> > clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[sol]

  Ok, I'm puzzled, why would you drink sea salt and bentonite clay?
TIA,
paula
--
mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com
"--when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot
lands in the sh** first."  -Heris Serrano
- Original Message -
From: "Bill Missett" 

>
> Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
> clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.




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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Tom & Mary McFadden]

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CSConnie,  We make our own .
  - Original Message - 
  From: Connie 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:14 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


  Are you buying 80ppm CS, or making the CS.
  Connie



From: "Tom & Mary McFadden" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:36:38 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
    To: 
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:36:59 -0700




I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think 
it is as I have no PPM meter.  I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also.  So 
far I have not turned any other color .
  I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her 
elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away.  I later found out that 
she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that caused a 
reaction.
  In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble 
and she is still using CS today.  Tom

---Original Message---

From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this
discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT
cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria.
Is there any evidence to support this contention?

I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years,
at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.

During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
(There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to
be one of them.)

Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.

I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.

If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is
my eyes.

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Dear Jason,
> Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it
> would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But
> how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS,
> also the victims of the dis-information.
>
> You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the
> high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope
> to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS
> primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested
> 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for
> various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no
> doctor.'
>
> For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat
> while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had
> this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor
> after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game
> park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat
> red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn,
> diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass
> she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so
> she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> rhinos.)
>
> It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of
> self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to
> your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or
> form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their
> viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their
> own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper
> advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Connie]

Are you buying 80ppm CS, or making the CS.
Connie


From: "Tom & Mary McFadden" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:36:38 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:36:59 -0700


I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think it
is as I have no PPM meter.  I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also.  So
far I have not turned any other color .
  I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her
elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away.  I later found out
that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that
caused a reaction.
  In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble
and she is still using CS today.  Tom

---Original Message---
 
From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this
discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT
cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria.
Is there any evidence to support this contention?

I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years,
at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.

During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
(There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to
be one of them.)

Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.

I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.

If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is
my eyes.

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Dear Jason,
> Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it
> would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But
> how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS,
> also the victims of the dis-information.
>
> You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the
> high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope
> to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS
> primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested
> 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for
> various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no
> doctor.'
>
> For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat
> while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had
> this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor
> after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game
> park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat
> red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn,
> diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass
> she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so
> she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> rhinos.)
>
> It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of
> self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to
> your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or
> form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their
> viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their
> own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper
> advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would
> extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what
> with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries
> have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend
> to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self
> dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like
> antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually
> remote.
>
> So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S.,
> for exampl

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Tom & Mary McFadden]

I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think it
is as I have no PPM meter.  I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also.  So
far I have not turned any other color .
   I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her
elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away.  I later found out
that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that
caused a reaction.
   In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble
and she is still using CS today.  Tom

---Original Message---

From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this
discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT
cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria.
Is there any evidence to support this contention?

I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years,
at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.

During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
(There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to
be one of them.)

Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.

I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.

If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is
my eyes.

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Dear Jason,
> Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it
> would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But
> how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS,
> also the victims of the dis-information.
>
> You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the
> high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope
> to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS
> primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested
> 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for
> various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no
> doctor.'
>
> For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat
> while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had
> this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor
> after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game
> park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat
> red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn,
> diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass
> she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so
> she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> rhinos.)
>
> It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of
> self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to
> your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or
> form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their
> viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their
> own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper
> advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would
> extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what
> with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries
> have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend
> to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self
> dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like
> antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually
> remote.
>
> So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S.,
> for example. But given the climate in third world countries, where self
> dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the
> window. In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail.
> Reid
>
> Jason said,
> Reid:
>
> My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note
> that
> in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was
> likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then
> decided to retail it to others is besides the point!
>
> There are reasons for 

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Bill Missett]

There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here.  Until this
discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT
cause arygria.   Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria.
Is there any evidence to support this contention?

I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years,
at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth.

During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of
Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days.
(There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to
be one of them.)

Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite
clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily.

I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider
Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted.

If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is
my eyes.

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Dear Jason,
> Thanks for your very thoughtful message.  I can see your point that it
> would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor.  But
> how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS,
> also the victims of the dis-information.
>
> You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the
> high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope
> to do that at some point in the future.  But at present I use this CS
> primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested
> 100% removal of fecal coliforms.  I use the high ppm secondarily for
> various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no
> doctor.'
>
> For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat
> while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic.  She had had
> this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor
> after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week.  While in the game
> park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat
> red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn,
> diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours.  By the second glass
> she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so
> she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> rhinos.)
>
> It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of
> self treatment with Microdyn.  I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to
> your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or
> form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their
> viewpoint may be.  So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their
> own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper
> advice.  Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would
> extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS.  But what
> with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries
> have to make do.  For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend
> to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self
> dosage.  Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like
> antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually
> remote.
>
> So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S.,
> for example.  But given the climate in third world countries, where self
> dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the
> window.  In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail.
> Reid
>
> Jason said,
> Reid:
>
> My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse.  You'll note
> that
> in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was
> likely MSP only sold the product to doctors...  That this doctor then
> decided to retail it to others is besides the point!
>
> There are reasons for this.  I consider companies that only sell these
> high
> PPM products to doctors ethical companies.  I consider companies that do
>
> not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to
>
> find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use.
>
> The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the
> instructions on the label are followed.
>
> Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are
>
> many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal
>
> silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a
> considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one.
>
> I'm very certain that silver cit

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[SilverMedicine.org]

Reid:

I've done a bit of further research concerning ceramic filters, and I do
understand that using a low PPM silver product would not be adequate for
such a purpose.  I've seen a study where a 50 PPM high quality CS was used
for such a purpose, and the results were not satisfactory.

As far as the MD's go, my personal opinion is that anyone could use any
substance safely ( provided it could be used safely! ) with proper product
knowledge...  But it is apparently contrary to successful business practices
for some of these companies to fully disclose information to their
customers.  Thus, the ethical solution is to have MD's purchase the
substance and supervise use.

I would love to see the MD's role switched more to the role of an educator
and advisor as far as general health goes.  Of course, critical care is an
entirely different ball game.

Warm Regards,

Jason

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Dear Jason,
> Thanks for your very thoughtful message.  I can see your point that it
> would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor.  But
> how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western
> educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS,
> also the victims of the dis-information.
>
> You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the
> high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope
> to do that at some point in the future.  But at present I use this CS
> primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested
> 100% removal of fecal coliforms.  I use the high ppm secondarily for
> various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no
> doctor.'
>
> For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat
> while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic.  She had had
> this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor
> after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on
> antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week.  While in the game
> park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat
> red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn,
> diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours.  By the second glass
> she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so
> she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We
> subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch
> rhinos.)
>
> It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of
> self treatment with Microdyn.  I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to
> your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or
> form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their
> viewpoint may be.  So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their
> own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper
> advice.  Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would
> extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS.  But what
> with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries
> have to make do.  For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend
> to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self
> dosage.  Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like
> antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually
> remote.
>
> So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S.,
> for example.  But given the climate in third world countries, where self
> dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the
> window.  In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail.
> Reid
>
> Jason said,
> Reid:
>
> My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse.  You'll note
> that
> in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was
> likely MSP only sold the product to doctors...  That this doctor then
> decided to retail it to others is besides the point!
>
> There are reasons for this.  I consider companies that only sell these
> high
> PPM products to doctors ethical companies.  I consider companies that do
>
> not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to
>
> find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use.
>
> The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the
> instructions on the label are followed.
>
> Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are
>
> many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal
>
> silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a
> considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one.
>
> I'm very certain that silver citrate is a bit different than many of the
>
> products out there, including the one

Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

 Rainwater is natures distilled. Not too common in the Sahara I suppose,
but even there one can make a dew collecter with a piece of plastic and a
stone.
 Batteries and solar panels are another matter. Stick some dimes and
pennies in a lemon?  Oh yea, no money.
ken


At 06:41 PM 9/27/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Reid:
>
>My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse.  You'll note that
>in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was
>likely MSP only sold the product to doctors...  That this doctor then
>decided to retail it to others is besides the point!
>
>There are reasons for this.  I consider companies that only sell these high
>PPM products to doctors ethical companies.  I consider companies that do
>not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to
>find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use.
>The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the
>instructions on the label are followed.
>
>Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are
>many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal
>silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a
>considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one.
>
>I'm very certain that silver citrate is a bit different than many of the
>products out there, including the one in a recent post... But the statement
>that the "colloidal silver" was effective at 250 PPM + is frightening.  I'm
>almost willing to bet that either someone didn't do the testing correctly,
>or that someone crossed their information somewhere.
>
>I certainly understand your point.  If I were in a third world country
>without access to distilled water, I wouldn't hesitate to use what was at my
>disposal, including tap water if necessary.
>
>Have you considered having a comparison done on your product, to see how
>effective it really is ( once diluted to useable )?
>
>That might be revealing, and might either put your mind at ease, or give you
>something more to shoot for...
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Jason
>
>PS:  Yes, I certainly agree and know that high concentrations of CS can be
>made, but it is good to keep in mind that the nature of the products with
>high PPM are different!
>
>
>
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RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

 Even the mudiest of muds still contains a great deal of ions and small
particles. What can't get through a membrane just passes on.  The body does
a really good job of sorting things out.
 I don't recall the last time I sweated dimes. I guess it affected my memory.

ken

At 05:55 AM 9/28/02 +0600, you wrote:
>Marshall,
>Another common assertion on this list is that large particle CS is 10%
>less effective than the small particle variety. Wouldn't this be at odd
>with what you are saying? Also, for what it's worth I can asure you of
>the effectiveness of the large particle stuff, time and again it has
>treated my family's various aches and pains.
>Reid
>
>Marshall said:
>I have been trying to get them for 2 days, but all I get is an answering
>
>machine. Their number is 423-439-6242.
>
>Anyway, I believe that this doctor has confirmed what many of here have
>been
>saying about high ppm CS.  That is is less effective then normal 5 to 20
>ppm
>CS.  The normal method of testing CS is to continue diluting it and
>testing
>until the effectiveness drops off.  If you start with 5 to 20 ppm CS,
>out tests
>indicate that this does not occur until about a 10:1 dilution. IE. it is
>
>effective down to about .5 or so ppm.
>
>Now if, as we believe, high ppm CS is not very effective becaue of the
>large
>particle size, then if you dilute it 2:1 and that is where the
>effectiveness
>drops off, that says that basically 500 ppm CS is about 1/5 as effective
>as 5
>ppm CS.  It seems to me he has shot his own product down with that
>statement.
>
>Marshall
>
>
>
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>

RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

  If you didn't dilute it, your body fluids would. :-)

What works works...no arguement there.
 If something else works a bit better?

But ya uses what ya gots...there ain't no other way.
 If ya don't have a carbon fiber fishing rod...the fish don't care if you
use a bamboo pole. [They STILL won't like you as much as you like them.]

It's a goood thing fish don't fry people...too wet. [If you ever see a fish
with a waterproof flare...drop your end of the hook and run! It can only
evolve after you..should work for a while.]
Ken


At 05:55 AM 9/28/02 +0600, you wrote:
>Ken,
>Thanks for this acknowledgement that 'mud works.'  But actually it's
>only mud before you dilute it.  After diluting to ~10ppm it's clear
>yellow, large particle to be sure, but in the face of illness who are we
>to be perfectionists?
>R
>
>Ken said:
>I guess I forgot to mention that even mud works?
>Ken
>>
>>And Ken, I am really surprised at you, firstly because at times you
>>display a very sound understanding of chemistry, and here you are not.
>>Imagine that all the world should focus on small particle CS, simply
>for
>>its 10% additional benefit with respect to larger particle CS. This is
>>a bad case of straining off a knat and gulping down a camel. Can you
>>folks who are so blind in this respect kindly take a closer look? The
>>witness you are bearing would deny the benefits of CS to countless poor
>
>>the world over.
>>Reid
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>

RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

I know little of zeta potential.  I think it has to with the sum of the
attractive and repulsive forces influencing colloids.  In silver sols, it
means the likleyhood of them combining into larger particles.  Most
commentators believe that the smaller particles are responsible for the
anti-pathogenic qualities.

The strength of that charge may also relate to the potency of a particle.

Some commercial makers also believe that  cooler water makes smaller
particles.

I use a HVAC generator, and when I run it for extended periods, the sol is
golden-tan.

Since it has been demonstrated that very low dilutions of fine-particle CS
are effective against most pathogens, I prefer a lower concentration of
small particles and large dosage volumes.

Thank you for the description of your generator, I have added it to my
collection.

James-Osbourne: Holmes


-Original Message-
From: Reid Harvey [mailto:pott...@wlink.com.np]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 5:55 PM
To: silver list
Subject: RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


Dear James-Osbourne: Holmes,
I am not familiar with the means by which Microdyn and others in Mexico
are making their concentrated CS, but am under the impression that they
could be making by the same means that I do.  Here are the basic
components of my generator (courtesy of educate-yourself.org):
1.  a two liter erlenmeyer flask with rubber stopper, through which is
set a thermometer and the two electrodes
2.  a double boiler into which the flask is set
3.  an electrical converter which outputs 27volts DC
During the process the temperature is kept just under boiling.  Polarity
is switched every minute, in order to prevent current runaway.  This
also minimizes the amount of silver oxide that collects on the
electrodes.  I generally run the generator for three or four hours which
yields ~200ppm, but if one were to run it for a couple of days they'd
get upto ppm in the thousands.  At 200ppm it looks like glorious *mud*
to reflected light, but put a strong light behind it and you'll see that
it's still clear.

I am unfamiliar with zeta potential so would welcome your observations
on that.
Reid

James-Osbourne: Holmes,
Are the very high concentrations made electolytically?  If they are made
by
precipitation, the Zeta potential may be very different.






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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[SilverMedicine.org]

Reid:

My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse.  You'll note that
in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was
likely MSP only sold the product to doctors...  That this doctor then
decided to retail it to others is besides the point!

There are reasons for this.  I consider companies that only sell these high
PPM products to doctors ethical companies.  I consider companies that do
not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to
find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use.
The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the
instructions on the label are followed.

Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are
many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal
silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a
considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one.

I'm very certain that silver citrate is a bit different than many of the
products out there, including the one in a recent post... But the statement
that the "colloidal silver" was effective at 250 PPM + is frightening.  I'm
almost willing to bet that either someone didn't do the testing correctly,
or that someone crossed their information somewhere.

I certainly understand your point.  If I were in a third world country
without access to distilled water, I wouldn't hesitate to use what was at my
disposal, including tap water if necessary.

Have you considered having a comparison done on your product, to see how
effective it really is ( once diluted to useable )?

That might be revealing, and might either put your mind at ease, or give you
something more to shoot for...

Kind Regards,

Jason

PS:  Yes, I certainly agree and know that high concentrations of CS can be
made, but it is good to keep in mind that the nature of the products with
high PPM are different!



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RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Reid Harvey]

Marshall,
Another common assertion on this list is that large particle CS is 10%
less effective than the small particle variety. Wouldn't this be at odd
with what you are saying? Also, for what it's worth I can asure you of
the effectiveness of the large particle stuff, time and again it has
treated my family's various aches and pains.
Reid

Marshall said:
I have been trying to get them for 2 days, but all I get is an answering

machine. Their number is 423-439-6242.

Anyway, I believe that this doctor has confirmed what many of here have
been
saying about high ppm CS.  That is is less effective then normal 5 to 20
ppm
CS.  The normal method of testing CS is to continue diluting it and
testing
until the effectiveness drops off.  If you start with 5 to 20 ppm CS,
out tests
indicate that this does not occur until about a 10:1 dilution. IE. it is

effective down to about .5 or so ppm.

Now if, as we believe, high ppm CS is not very effective becaue of the
large
particle size, then if you dilute it 2:1 and that is where the
effectiveness
drops off, that says that basically 500 ppm CS is about 1/5 as effective
as 5
ppm CS.  It seems to me he has shot his own product down with that
statement.

Marshall



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RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Reid Harvey]

Dear James-Osbourne: Holmes,
I am not familiar with the means by which Microdyn and others in Mexico
are making their concentrated CS, but am under the impression that they
could be making by the same means that I do.  Here are the basic
components of my generator (courtesy of educate-yourself.org):
1.  a two liter erlenmeyer flask with rubber stopper, through which is
set a thermometer and the two electrodes
2.  a double boiler into which the flask is set
3.  an electrical converter which outputs 27volts DC
During the process the temperature is kept just under boiling.  Polarity
is switched every minute, in order to prevent current runaway.  This
also minimizes the amount of silver oxide that collects on the
electrodes.  I generally run the generator for three or four hours which
yields ~200ppm, but if one were to run it for a couple of days they'd
get upto ppm in the thousands.  At 200ppm it looks like glorious *mud*
to reflected light, but put a strong light behind it and you'll see that
it's still clear.

I am unfamiliar with zeta potential so would welcome your observations
on that.
Reid

James-Osbourne: Holmes,
Are the very high concentrations made electolytically?  If they are made
by
precipitation, the Zeta potential may be very different.






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RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Reid Harvey]

Ken,
Thanks for this acknowledgement that 'mud works.'  But actually it's
only mud before you dilute it.  After diluting to ~10ppm it's clear
yellow, large particle to be sure, but in the face of illness who are we
to be perfectionists?
R

Ken said:
I guess I forgot to mention that even mud works?
Ken
>
>And Ken, I am really surprised at you, firstly because at times you
>display a very sound understanding of chemistry, and here you are not.
>Imagine that all the world should focus on small particle CS, simply
for
>its 10% additional benefit with respect to larger particle CS. This is
>a bad case of straining off a knat and gulping down a camel. Can you
>folks who are so blind in this respect kindly take a closer look? The
>witness you are bearing would deny the benefits of CS to countless poor

>the world over.
>Reid




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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

I have been trying to get them for 2 days, but all I get is an answering
machine. Their number is 423-439-6242.

Anyway, I believe that this doctor has confirmed what many of here have been
saying about high ppm CS.  That is is less effective then normal 5 to 20 ppm
CS.  The normal method of testing CS is to continue diluting it and testing
until the effectiveness drops off.  If you start with 5 to 20 ppm CS, out tests
indicate that this does not occur until about a 10:1 dilution. IE. it is
effective down to about .5 or so ppm.

Now if, as we believe, high ppm CS is not very effective becaue of the large
particle size, then if you dilute it 2:1 and that is where the effectiveness
drops off, that says that basically 500 ppm CS is about 1/5 as effective as 5
ppm CS.  It seems to me he has shot his own product down with that statement.

Marshall

Marshall Dudley wrote:

> I will contact them tomorrow.  We had CS tested by UT and they found
> effectiveness in the less than 1 ppm range.
>
> Marshall
>
> Rich Adams wrote:
>
> > This is a reply from a company selling 500ppm CS.  I need all your
> > valuable input please.  This is the reply from one Dr.  Lynn who owns the
> > website (www.graywhalebotanicals.com) where she is selling it.
> >
> > "<< I tend to follow clinical stuff and this is what I use:  clinical
> > laboratory tests at Eastern Tennessee State University, Dept. of
> > Microbiology, show that the level for effectiveness is at least 250 parts
> > per
> > million.  The 500 ppm is a clinical dosage and is only sold to licensed
> > practitioners.  The 500 ppm is approved by the FDA and there is no known
> > toxicity reported by the U.S. Poison Control Center. >>"
> >
> > The FDA approved this?  Is this "Dr" talking nonsense?
>
> It sounds like it.
>
> >
> >
> > If you have input and can specify links, that would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Rich Adams
> > rad...@kc.rr.com
> >
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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Bill Missett]

Reid:

I don't know this for a fact, just anecdotally.  When I joined the list
several years ago,  I made that claim and was immediately "corrected" by one
of the older hands on the list who informed me that to his knowledge,
Microdyn had never been tested for particle strength on a spectrograph.

He seemed to know the facts, and since my "3200ppm" claim was just my
extrapolation of the label claim, I adopted his explanation as truth.

I even inquired within the past year about getting Microdyn formally tested,
to put the question to rest, but since I'm living on SS down here, I didn't
have the $35 fee to contribute to the cause.

I'd love to know for sure myself.


- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:13 AM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Bill,
> Good to hear from you, and I value your observations.  Can you tell me
> what reason you may have to believe Microdyn is not 3200ppm?  And I do
> know that Biopur states on the label that it is 1500ppm.  If Microdyn is
> not 3200 I would imagine that at the very least it's well over the
> 500ppm we've been talking.  I do know that Microdyn is being used quite
> successfully in silver saturating pottery water filtration elements
> around Central America and the Carribean, removing 100% of fecal
> coliforms. Some of these filters are still effective after seven years
> of continuous use, and are yet another CS boon to the poor.  On the
> other hand the manufacturers of the filters also advertise these as
> being saturated with 3200ppm CS.
>
> Can someone else on the list kindly help in putting to rest the very
> misquided notion that concentrated CS is *not* a reality?
> Namaste,
> Reid
>
> Bill Missett said:
> I don't believe that the commercial CS being sold in Mexico (there are
> now
> about five brands available to me, all basically the same) has been
> rated at
> 3200ppm, even though I was guilty of making that statement early on,
> until
> corrected.
>
> Apparently Microdyn and the others have not been officially tested by
> anyone
> known on the list.
>
> The "3200ppm claim" comes from the fact that most of the commercial CS
> brands (but not all) are rated as being "0.32 percent"  CS.  That would
> be
> 3200 parts of a million, but not the 3200ppm we're talking about, as I
> understand it.
>
> But Mexican CS is very potent, works quickly and is cheap.  A 1.3 ounce
> bottle costs less than a dollar and lasts at least a month with daily
> usage.
>
> The entire city of San Luis Potosi, Mexico, population 1 million, has
> successfully used CS to purify the city's water supply for the past 40
> years.
>
>
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RE: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Are the very high concentrations made electolytically?  If they are made by
precipitation, the Zeta potential may be very different.

James-Osbourne: Holmes


-Original Message-
From: Reid Harvey [mailto:pott...@wlink.com.np]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:14 AM
To: silver list
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


Bill,
Good to hear from you, and I value your observations.  Can you tell me
what reason you may have to believe Microdyn is not 3200ppm?  And I do
know that Biopur states on the label that it is 1500ppm.  If Microdyn is
not 3200 I would imagine that at the very least it's well over the
500ppm we've been talking.  I do know that Microdyn is being used quite
successfully in silver saturating pottery water filtration elements
around Central America and the Carribean, removing 100% of fecal
coliforms. Some of these filters are still effective after seven years
of continuous use, and are yet another CS boon to the poor.  On the
other hand the manufacturers of the filters also advertise these as
being saturated with 3200ppm CS.

Can someone else on the list kindly help in putting to rest the very
misquided notion that concentrated CS is *not* a reality?
Namaste,
Reid

Bill Missett said:
I don't believe that the commercial CS being sold in Mexico (there are
now
about five brands available to me, all basically the same) has been
rated at
3200ppm, even though I was guilty of making that statement early on,
until
corrected.

Apparently Microdyn and the others have not been officially tested by
anyone
known on the list.

The "3200ppm claim" comes from the fact that most of the commercial CS
brands (but not all) are rated as being "0.32 percent"  CS.  That would
be
3200 parts of a million, but not the 3200ppm we're talking about, as I
understand it.

But Mexican CS is very potent, works quickly and is cheap.  A 1.3 ounce
bottle costs less than a dollar and lasts at least a month with daily
usage.

The entire city of San Luis Potosi, Mexico, population 1 million, has
successfully used CS to purify the city's water supply for the past 40
years.


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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

 I guess I forgot to mention that even mud works?
Ken
>
>And Ken, I am really surprised at you, firstly because at times you
>display a very sound understanding of chemistry, and here you are not.
>Imagine that all the world should focus on small particle CS, simply for
>its 10% additional benefit with respect to larger particle CS.  This  is
>a bad case of straining off a knat and gulping down a camel.  Can you
>folks who are so blind in this respect kindly take a closer look?  The
>witness you are bearing would deny the benefits of CS to countless  poor
>the world over.
>Reid
>


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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Bill Missett]

I don't believe that the commercial CS being sold in Mexico (there are now
about five brands available to me, all basically the same) has been rated at
3200ppm, even though I was guilty of making that statement early on, until
corrected.

Apparently Microdyn and the others have not been officially tested by anyone
known on the list.

The "3200ppm claim" comes from the fact that most of the commercial CS
brands (but not all) are rated as being "0.32 percent"  CS.  That would be
3200 parts of a million, but not the 3200ppm we're talking about, as I
understand it.

But Mexican CS is very potent, works quickly and is cheap.  A 1.3 ounce
bottle costs less than a dollar and lasts at least a month with daily usage.

The entire city of San Luis Potosi, Mexico, population 1 million, has
successfully used CS to purify the city's water supply for the past 40
years.

.
- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> Andy,
> I think you owe Dr. Schwartzman a serious apology, the fact being that
> you are 100% wrong in your assertion that 500ppm CS cannot be made.  It
> could be that one reason you got so little response on this issue is
> that it's been re-hashed here many times, a number of people saying it's
> not possible then people with a sound knowledge of chemistry stepping
> forward and saying that it *is* possible.
>
> What's unfortunate is that the naysayers seem unwilling or unable to
> envision any value for a CS that is outside the very narrow scope of
> their own interest, or for that matter the economics of their particular
> CS production.  In the U.S. and Europe household production is most
> viable and safe for low voltage, low volumn.  This would tend to mean
> production of 10ppm CS in 500ml. amounts per batch, give or take.  Now
> consider the case of Mexico, where 3200ppm Microdyn has been produced
> and sold for years.  There are those who would tell you (though never
> the AMA and FDA types) that the poorer of our neighbors south of the
> border may well be enjoying better health then their counterparts to the
> north by virtue of this inexpensive *concentrated* CS.  They simply
> dilute it down and drink it, big particles or not.
>
> And Ken, I am really surprised at you, firstly because at times you
> display a very sound understanding of chemistry, and here you are not.
> Imagine that all the world should focus on small particle CS, simply for
> its 10% additional benefit with respect to larger particle CS.  This is
> a bad case of straining off a knat and gulping down a camel.  Can you
> folks who are so blind in this respect kindly take a closer look?  The
> witness you are bearing would deny the benefits of CS to countless poor
> the world over.
> Reid
>
> Andrew Scott said:
> Dear Dr. Schwartzman,
>
> Your name and web site recently came up on a discussion group for
> colloidal
> silver. These people are not dummies. You state that your colloidal
> silver
> is
> 500 ppm which is unheard of. This brings up two questions: What
> laboratory
> tested your colloidal silver and what is your doctorate in? The right
> answers
> would be very helpful to us, the wrong answers or no answer would be of
> interest to the FDA and the FTC.
>
> Thank you for your time.
> Andrew Scott
> ascottsil...@aol.com
>
>
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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Ode Coyote]

 The only real questions are
 How strong can you make it and still have small particles?
No one really knows and no one has had much success with very high
concentrations...mileage varies.

If it is 500 PPM, is it small colorless particles or does it look like
brown, black or green mud?
Anyone can make mud.

Ken


At 09:20 AM 9/26/02 +0600, you wrote:
>Rich and All,
>Which is your question?  1.  Is the doctor talking nonsense about FDA
>approval?, or is it,  2.  Additional to #1, is 500ppm CS nonsense?
>


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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Rich Adams]

- Original Message -
> Which is your question?  1.  Is the doctor talking nonsense about FDA
> approval?

Yes.

> 2.  Additional to #1, is 500ppm CS nonsense?


I won't go into this, there are others more qualified then I that can
comment with, I assume, factual data.


Respectfully,
Rich Adams

>



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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Marshall Dudley]

I will contact them tomorrow.  We had CS tested by UT and they found
effectiveness in the less than 1 ppm range.

Marshall

Rich Adams wrote:

> This is a reply from a company selling 500ppm CS.  I need all your
> valuable input please.  This is the reply from one Dr.  Lynn who owns the
> website (www.graywhalebotanicals.com) where she is selling it.
>
> "<< I tend to follow clinical stuff and this is what I use:  clinical
> laboratory tests at Eastern Tennessee State University, Dept. of
> Microbiology, show that the level for effectiveness is at least 250 parts
> per
> million.  The 500 ppm is a clinical dosage and is only sold to licensed
> practitioners.  The 500 ppm is approved by the FDA and there is no known
> toxicity reported by the U.S. Poison Control Center. >>"
>
> The FDA approved this?  Is this "Dr" talking nonsense?

It sounds like it.

>
>
> If you have input and can specify links, that would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Respectfully,
> Rich Adams
> rad...@kc.rr.com
>
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Re: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS

[Bill Missett]

I think this CS BS runs deep.


- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Adams" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: CS>reply from a company selling 500ppm CS


> This is a reply from a company selling 500ppm CS.  I need all your
> valuable input please.  This is the reply from one Dr.  Lynn who owns the
> website (www.graywhalebotanicals.com) where she is selling it.
> 
> 
> "<< I tend to follow clinical stuff and this is what I use:  clinical
> laboratory tests at Eastern Tennessee State University, Dept. of
> Microbiology, show that the level for effectiveness is at least 250 parts
> per
> million.  The 500 ppm is a clinical dosage and is only sold to licensed
> practitioners.  The 500 ppm is approved by the FDA and there is no known
> toxicity reported by the U.S. Poison Control Center. >>"
> 
> 
> The FDA approved this?  Is this "Dr" talking nonsense?
> 
> If you have input and can specify links, that would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Respectfully,
> Rich Adams
> rad...@kc.rr.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>reply to Huajun (re Candida)

[Duncan Crow]

Also, seek to FEED the organisms you are colonizing. Chicory Inulin is more
effective for that than any other frucooligosaccharide (FOS) across the
board. I have the studies. Different FOS contains a selection of different
lengths of sugar. The longest produce the best effect. Candida can not
ferment the longer sugars but Bifidus and Acidopholus can...

Second best (distant second) is Dahlia Inulin I believe.

ciao

Duncan

PS if everyone can't find the stuff, I can send some in jars...I know a
bulk distributor who is packing it and putting it on the health food store
shelves (at my request). It's sold in bulk by Imperial Sugar and the
smallest package is a 40 lb. bag.





- Original Message -
From: "Huajun Tang" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>reply to Huajun (re Candida)


| Hi Carl,
|
| Thank you for writing up such a long message for me. I
| did a 7-day bowel cleanse program after I sended my
| message to you. My digestion and absorbtion has
| improved a lot, but candida problem seems still the
| same.
|
| I may try the H2O2 enema soon. I did rectal implant of
| beneficial bacteria at the last day of my cleanse.
| Next morning I felt much better when I woke up. The
| efffect gradually disappeared. But I did not kill the
| bad guys first before my implant. So I think
| combination of H2O2 enema and rectal implant may help
| me to get sustainable effect.
|
| Many thanks,
| Huajun
| --- Carl George  wrote:
| > Hi, Huajun;
| >
| > Sorry to be so late replying (10 days). I bought my
| > first CS from Oasis Health Food store, here in
| > Tahlequah, Okla. It was 250 ppm. But I put one
| > tablespoon of it into 8 oz. of water, which reduced
| > it to 5 ppm when I put it in my body.
| >
| > I have read the web site about healix, but I would
| > have no idea of how good it is . Other list members
| > would know better than I .
| >
| > If you check the archives of the silverlist, you
| > will find that all list members that comment on the
| > SilverGen generators have nothing but good things to
| > say about it. From what I've read, it has to be one
| > of the best generators you could buy.
| >
| > I bought the "Ole Boy" generator from Ode Coyote,
| > and I think it is one of the best generators you
| > could buy. It only cost $125.00. It is constant
| > currant, automatic turnoff; and has a stirrer. I am
| > well pleased with it, and would recommend it to
| > anyone. And, based on my limited experience, I would
| > think that those are the things that you should look
| > for in a CS generator-- constant current, a stirrer,
| > and automatic turnoff.
| >
| > Again, other list memebrs might have other elements
| > to look for in a generator.
| >
| > As to dosage, you will have to experiment on
| > yourself. Each person is different. Each peson has
| > different bacteria, viruses, fungii within
| > themselves. The dosage for one person may not be the
| > proper dosage for another. I personally take at
| > least 16 oz. of 10-20 ppm per day -- sometimes as
| > much as 24 oz. But if your stomach cannot tollerate
| > that much, then you will just have to experiment
| > until you find the dosage proper for you. You may
| > want to try 5-6 dosages spaced equally throughout
| > the day. I personally don't think it matters that
| > much as to ppm (5ppm, 10 ppm., 20 ppm, etc.). But
| > you might try small doses (1 oz , 2 oz., etc.) 5-6
| > times a day.
| >
| > As time goes by, you might have to increase your
| > dosage.
| >
| >
| > As to fasting, I heartily belive in it. The fact is
| > that all animals on earth -- with the exception of
| > man -- fast until the body heals itself. When the
| > body has healed itself, they begin eating again. I
| > have done 3-4 fairly long fasts ( 20 to 35 days).
| > They have all been water fasts. But for me, they
| > have been very difficult. I never got hungry. I just
| > didn't
| >
| > feel good. I think it is because so many poisons (
| > in my case, Candida) were relased into my bloodsteam
| > (and thus my brain).
| >
| > What I am leading up to is that your body may be so
| > debilitated, that fasting -- even though it is the
| > fastest way to clean the body --may just be too
| > enervating, until you have built up your alkaline
| > reserves ( by juicing veggies and eating fruit). You
| > will just have to try it and see. You will have to
| > be the judge.
| >
| > In my opinion, juicing should be the base of
| > anyone's diet. It should be the cornerstone -- and
| > most important part of anyone;s diet. Simply because
| > by juicing you are megadosing on natural nutrients
| > -- vitamins, minerals, proteins, carbs, fats, -- and
| > nutrients that we haven&

Re: CS>reply to Huajun (re Candida)

[Huajun Tang]

Hi Carl,

Thank you for writing up such a long message for me. I
did a 7-day bowel cleanse program after I sended my
message to you. My digestion and absorbtion has
improved a lot, but candida problem seems still the
same.  

I may try the H2O2 enema soon. I did rectal implant of
beneficial bacteria at the last day of my cleanse.
Next morning I felt much better when I woke up. The
efffect gradually disappeared. But I did not kill the
bad guys first before my implant. So I think
combination of H2O2 enema and rectal implant may help
me to get sustainable effect. 

Many thanks,
Huajun
--- Carl George  wrote:
> Hi, Huajun;
> 
> Sorry to be so late replying (10 days). I bought my
> first CS from Oasis Health Food store, here in
> Tahlequah, Okla. It was 250 ppm. But I put one
> tablespoon of it into 8 oz. of water, which reduced
> it to 5 ppm when I put it in my body. 
> 
> I have read the web site about healix, but I would
> have no idea of how good it is . Other list members
> would know better than I . 
> 
> If you check the archives of the silverlist, you
> will find that all list members that comment on the
> SilverGen generators have nothing but good things to
> say about it. From what I’ve read, it has to be one
> of the best generators you could buy. 
> 
> I bought the "Ole Boy" generator from Ode Coyote,
> and I think it is one of the best generators you
> could buy. It only cost $125.00. It is constant
> currant, automatic turnoff; and has a stirrer. I am
> well pleased with it, and would recommend it to
> anyone. And, based on my limited experience, I would
> think that those are the things that you should look
> for in a CS generator-- constant current, a stirrer,
> and automatic turnoff. 
> 
> Again, other list memebrs might have other elements
> to look for in a generator. 
> 
> As to dosage, you will have to experiment on
> yourself. Each person is different. Each peson has
> different bacteria, viruses, fungii within
> themselves. The dosage for one person may not be the
> proper dosage for another. I personally take at
> least 16 oz. of 10-20 ppm per day -- sometimes as
> much as 24 oz. But if your stomach cannot tollerate
> that much, then you will just have to experiment
> until you find the dosage proper for you. You may
> want to try 5-6 dosages spaced equally throughout
> the day. I personally don’t think it matters that
> much as to ppm (5ppm, 10 ppm., 20 ppm, etc.). But
> you might try small doses (1 oz , 2 oz., etc.) 5-6
> times a day. 
> 
> As time goes by, you might have to increase your
> dosage.
> 
> 
> As to fasting, I heartily belive in it. The fact is
> that all animals on earth -- with the exception of
> man -- fast until the body heals itself. When the
> body has healed itself, they begin eating again. I
> have done 3-4 fairly long fasts ( 20 to 35 days).
> They have all been water fasts. But for me, they
> have been very difficult. I never got hungry. I just
> didn’t
> 
> feel good. I think it is because so many poisons (
> in my case, Candida) were relased into my bloodsteam
> (and thus my brain). 
> 
> What I am leading up to is that your body may be so
> debilitated, that fasting -- even though it is the
> fastest way to clean the body --may just be too
> enervating, until you have built up your alkaline
> reserves ( by juicing veggies and eating fruit). You
> will just have to try it and see. You will have to
> be the judge. 
> 
> In my opinion, juicing should be the base of
> anyone’s diet. It should be the cornerstone -- and
> most important part of anyone;s diet. Simply because
> by juicing you are megadosing on natural nutrients
> -- vitamins, minerals, proteins, carbs, fats, -- and
> nutrients that we haven’t even discovered yet. You
> eat around your juicing.
> 
> Get the tapes put out by Jay Kordich ( The
> Juiceman). The first two tapes will convince you. If
> you cannot get a copy, let me know, and I will
> provide you with one. 
> 
> I know when I drink straight carrot juice ( or
> carrot -apple juice), I can feel it. I think it is
> because of too much sugar. So what I do is I mix the
> carrot juice with green juice. One part of green
> juice ( from broccoli, spinach, cabbage, green
> peppers, cucumbers, green leaf lettuce, red leaf
> lettuce, (no iceberg lettuce), kale, celery, etc.)
> to three parts of carrot juice. Tastes good, but I
> don’t get that reaction. I guess the green juice
> dilutes the sugar in the carrot-apple juice.
> 
> If you still get that feeling, another thing you can
> do is just dilute the juice --add distilled water to
> it.
> 
> Bowel cleansing. Another necessity. In my opinion,
> any book by Bernard Jensen is good. 
> 
> As I understand it, the colon is where most of the
> candida resides. So you have to get it out of there.
> Based on my experience, 5 ppm CS does get to the
> Candida in the colon.
> 
> But in addition to that, I still take colemas with 1
> quart of 3% H202 in 5 gallon of water. I do this
> because as I understand , th

Re: CS>Reply about Distilled water OT

[Dean T. Miller]

Hi PG,

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:07:45 -0500, Pamela Grant
 wrote:

>Instead of going by these articles on why NOT to drink distilled water, why
>not try it out for yourselfactually, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I
>drank distilled water for 2 1/2 months. I thought I'd like to die.

Hmm.  What happened?

I've been drinking distilled water (and using it to make coffee and
other things needing water) for 4+ years.  I've not noticed any
negatives from doing so (admittedly, I can't point to any positives,
either).

>Experience is the best teacher, but hopefully, instead of learning the hard
>way like I did, why not listen to some regular people and their experiences
>with distilled water if you can't trust the "experts"? It took a lot of
>colloidal minerals and electrolyte solution to try and get back to a
>previous state of health. My gray hair is finally turning back now to its
>original color, I can walk without feeling like my legs are about to give
>out from under me, my vision is now improving---but hey, I don't expect
>some of you to take my word for it either.

Okay, what kind of colloidal minerals?  Where did you get them -- make
them yourself, like CS?  If not, how did you verify they were
colloidal?

I ask because I have a gallon of allegedly mixed colloidal minerals
from "natural" sources.  No hint anywhere about how much to use, and
having to refrigerate it makes me rather suspicious (what, no
colloidal silver?).

-- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines  (CDP, KB0ZDF)


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Re: CS>Reply about Distilled water OT

[Dean T. Miller]

Hi Dave,

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:03:47 -0400, "Dave Perkins"
 wrote:

>To all on the CS list.  I know most of you are probably favorably
>predisposed to distilled water...and as far as I know it is still
>the only water to consider in making CS.  I certainly use it when
>I make my CS.
>
>However, it appears that much of the information on the benefits
>(or lack of problems with long term use) of distilled water was
>written many years ago and has been passed on as fact with little
>modification ever since.  In light of more recent findings many
>of those claims appear to be in error.
>
>Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of your present
>and future health, I urge you to read the following information
>by Chet Day and references by other MD's etc. Many of whom
>(especially Chet ) used to be big proponents of distilled water.

I read some of this stuff years ago (and I get Chet Day's
e-newsletters).

IMO, it's a bunch of bunk.  Anything except the colloidal forms of
minerals that are in water doesn't get into your system.
Non-colloidal minerals don't get in.  Chemicals in water can get into
your system (pesticides, herbicides, chlorine, fluorine).  

Our body gets minerals almost entirely through the foods we eat -- and
the minerals are bound to protein molecules to make it into our body.
That's why eating rock to get your calcium and magnesium (dolomite)
doesn't work while eating something containing calcium citrate and
magnesium aspartate does work.

The water that gets into our body is filtered by the intestine so that
it's, in effect, distilled.  

What can cause mineral loss in our body can be caused by 1) getting
too little minerals in the foods we eat, 2) allowing our body to
become too acidic or 3) having parasites in our body that change the
body's chemistry to use up (or not take in) minerals.

But this has been discussed reasonably well around here, hasn't it?

-- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines  (CDP, KB0ZDF)


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Re: CS>Reply about Distilled water OT

[Pamela Grant]

Instead of going by these articles on why NOT to drink distilled water, why
not try it out for yourselfactually, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I
drank distilled water for 2 1/2 months. I thought I'd like to die.
Experience is the best teacher, but hopefully, instead of learning the hard
way like I did, why not listen to some regular people and their experiences
with distilled water if you can't trust the "experts"? It took a lot of
colloidal minerals and electrolyte solution to try and get back to a
previous state of health. My gray hair is finally turning back now to its
original color, I can walk without feeling like my legs are about to give
out from under me, my vision is now improving---but hey, I don't expect
some of you to take my word for it either.

PG




>WHY I NOW SAY NO TO DISTILLED WATER ONLY
>
>By Chet Day
>
>Paul Bragg. Norman Walker. Herbert Shelton.
>
>I bet you recognize the names of the above three "big gun
>writers" of the modern natural health and raw food movement
>...(article below the next 4 paragraphs - a highly recommended
>read!!!)
>
>
>From Dave Perkins:
>
>To all on the CS list.  I know most of you are probably favorably
>predisposed to distilled water...and as far as I know it is still
>the only water to consider in making CS.  I certainly use it when
>I make my CS.
>
>However, it appears that much of the information on the benefits
>(or lack of problems with long term use) of distilled water was
>written many years ago and has been passed on as fact with little
>modification ever since.  In light of more recent findings many
>of those claims appear to be in error.
>
>Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of your present
>and future health, I urge you to read the following information
>by Chet Day and references by other MD's etc. Many of whom
>(especially Chet ) used to be big proponents of distilled water.
>
>I hope this gives you enough information and facts to make a well
>reasoned personal decision:
>
>
>WHY I NOW SAY NO TO DISTILLED WATER ONLY
>
>By Chet Day
>
>
>Paul Bragg. Norman Walker. Herbert Shelton.
>
>I bet you recognize the names of the above three "big gun
>writers" of the modern natural health and raw food movement.
>Each of these men advocated a predominantly uncooked vegetarian
>diet (though Walker allowed cheese and Bragg allowed occasional
>meat or fish), and each also advocated distilled water as the
>only kind of water to drink.
>
>It's amazing to me how blindly most health seekers follow the
>advice of the above three gurus as well as the advice of modern
>health writers who use Bragg, Walker, and Shelton as their main
>sources of truth.
>
>Indeed, if you spend more than about ten minutes reading many
>modern natural health writers, you'll quickly learn that all
>serious health seekers should shun any kind of water other than
>distilled water. Why? Because Paul Bragg, Norman Walker, and
>Herbert Shelton said so.
>
>Well, I bought into this commonly-accepted "truth" back in 1993
>when I started my health journey, and I continued to buy into it
>for more than five years before I started to question its
>validity. I started to question the value of drinking distilled
>water for the long-term when I finally opened my eyes enough to
>realize I was relying on information that was, in most cases,
>more than 50 years old.
>
>Let me say here that I still consider distilled water the water
>of choice when detoxing or working to heal a serious health
>challenge. To quote Dr. Zoltan Rona, who feels the same way:
>
>"Distillation is the process in which water is boiled,
>evaporated and the vapour condensed. Distilled water is free of
>dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special
>property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from
>the body and eliminate them. Studies validate the benefits of
>drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or
>detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a
>time). Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of
>the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and
>trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause
>heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods
>in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers
>their nutrient value."
>
>See http://chetday.com/distilledwater.htm for the full text of
>Dr. Rona's article.
>
>I opened my eyes because about two years ago I started hearing
>from long-term distilled water drinkers who had been consuming
>only distilled water and who had developed troubles with their
>hair either thinning or falling out in clumps. I've subsequently
>learned that hair loss is a condition often associated with
>various mineral deficiencies.
>
>Since I'd been advised by a serious natural health student whose
>opinions I value very much that distilled water might well
>contribute to such problems, I started telling people with
>hair problems that they might try going back to filtered