Re: [SLUG] The Books Signatures
Anand Kumria wrote:
Only if you have access to the books!
What was the point of writing my emails if all you intend to do
is latch on to the keyword you know about and sally forth with a brain
dump?
Not all of us are 'babes in the woods', some of us have done this stuff
before.
Chill Anand. I'm not having a go at you, or anyone else on the Slug
committee.
I am taking an opportunity to educate a few of those 500+ people on this
list who might one day decide to go onto the Slug committee.
It is advice that is worth repeating for anyone so that people know it
is normal before they get on committees, etc. I've seen people elected
to committees take it as a personal afront that someone else has to
co-sign an organisation cheque. Naturally they have to accept that
situation or their resignation gets accepted and the committee has to
recruit another person.
And the co-signature has to be after the cheque is filled in - been
caught on that too.
It is a wonderful job trying to build the accounts for a couple of years
with only bank statements. It is even better having to say about $125K
of government grants is "all that I can say is that it has been spent
and there is no evidence of misuse of funds".
It also doesn't hurt for people to realise that committee people
"disappear". This will sometime happen, for various reasons to any
organisation. Dummy spits, radical life changes/opportunities, work
requirement, etc are all valid reasons for this happening.
The biggest problem is "when to move and take over". I've had Mick the
treasurer get told by work with one weeks notice that he has to go
overseas for three months and the last thing on his mind is XYZ books,
but he tells Fred his mate, also on the committee, who promptly leaves
for four months long service leave trip around Australia and doesn't
tell anyone else where Mick has gone. By the time Mick pops back into
circulation, everything is duplicated and Mick is no longer treasurer
and no longer on the committee. Try patching that one up.
The committee pulled off Linux Conf. I don't think you are idiots.
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[SLUG] IPChains problems...
Hi everyone I run a debian box here [2.2.18pre21] masq'ing for three 95 machines through a 56k dialup connection. Everything was working fine. About a month ago, I upgraded my kernel and swapped over to ipchains... I made sure I had all the kernel options compiled in, had all the modules I needed and everything was set up correctly. [If you'd like to see my ruleset, email me off list and I'll forward it to you] However, since the upgrade, I'm finding very odd behaviour with file transfers. If an external box [regardless of o/s] ftp's in and attempts a file transfer, the transfer starts and then just times out. Same with a user sending me something on icq, or a user connecting to apache to download a file [Normal web browsing for them is fine]. This happens even after opening every port [0:65535] on all protocols to the host trying to send or get something from me... The transfers just seem to time out and die... An icq transfer which is now working for no apparent reason isnt getting higher than 800 bytes/sec even though there is nothing else going on here [No DoS attack, normal net use, etc]. I've turned on logging for all connections to and from the external machine, nothing is denied or rejected, and tcpdump doesnt show anything going wrong. It just plum dont work proper like it done used to.. [dangnabit!] The charming people on irc.openprojects.com - #debian told me to change a time out value [which I did, with no effect - ipchains -M -S 7200 10 60] and then assured me the problem was a rule over-riding my previous one. Unfortunately, this isnt the case. Though after pointing this out, they steadfastly ignored me.. ([sighs] Is it just me, or is irc always like this.. :( ) Sorry for my extended explanation, but well, I figure supplying as much information as I can has to be a good thing.. :) So, can anyone offer any advice...?? I'm stuck, and getting very frustrated, very quickly.. :) :) Thanks in advance!! Anthony Anthony O'Hara [EMAIL PROTECTED] "My name is Retardo! God of schmuck..." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The Books Signatures
quote who="Terry Collins" The committee pulled off Linux Conf. I don't think you are idiots. Phew, we *did* fool them. ;) - Jeff -- "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The Books Signatures
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 05:50:03PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:45:13 +1000 From: Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Mehmet Ozdemir [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED], Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Books Signatures snip - Anand rant + Terry "Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean" It also doesn't hurt for people to realise that committee people "disappear". This will sometime happen, for various reasons to any organisation. Dummy spits, radical life changes/opportunities, work requirement, etc are all valid reasons for this happening. And that bus! What about the bus? You know the one that keeps hitting people. I think the company is "Proverbial". Woody -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: Basic Organisation Accounting Re: [SLUG] Re: SLUG Membership
Anand Kumria wrote:
...snip
For the last two years we have no one with this mystical 'spread sheet talent'
sally forth and say "Yes, I'll be the Slug treasurer".
Okay, basic accounting for small organisations, like Slug.
I didn't actually ask for an accounting lesson. My lament was people,
such as yourself, complaining about 'problems' when few people seem
to care about doing the job.
Anand, again, it was to explain to people that being a treasurer is not
that hard. I disagreed with the statement that you needed to be an
accountant, which was what was said at one AGM. If some one can keep
track of cash flow on a monthly basis and hound people for receipts of
expenditure, the organisation can pay an accountant to prepare the year
end stuff, if really needed.
[snip - monthly balance sheet]
While appreciated, I think you'll find it far moe appareciated as a
widely distributed HOWTO available from the LDP. I can see you are keen
to share your knowledge, do you have the time to submit something to
them?
I will put another page up under my Linux HOW-TO area. If someone wants
to pass it onto LDP, then they can.
* For Fests, get the organisers to prepare a one page summary of income,
expenditure, two of them to sign it and attach all receipts they
have.
Which reminds me; as a SLUG sub-lug I believe you need to let us know
if and how many memberships you sold throughout the year. Do you have
that info. handy?
Basically all activities are reported under the Maclug pages
(http://www.woa.com.au/maclug - but I'm two behind).
All expenses to date have been covered by WOA Computer Services under
the advertising budget, although I've received $20 in day fees and Mark
Willis brought along a wonderful Sticky Date thing one time.
There has been no memberships sold as I just encourage people to go to a
SLUG meeting and sign up. Most people are already Slug members.
Feel free to send that publically, if you like, but please at least CC:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
As above.
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Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
A lot of ISP's will lease the IP space to you rather than selling it. What you can do is read your contract with the ISP and see if it mentions allocations of IP space. You can also check on the APNIC web site (http://www.apnic.net) to see who really owns the IP space. Cheers, Rob At 18:40 18/04/2001, Alan Lee wrote: Hey. I have two IP address blocks, both are /28's situated in diffrent net blocks. My ISP has requested one of them back, I have had this address rang for over a year now. They say it was given to me by accident, and say its for use with 'internal customers'. Is this legal for them to do? Ive talked to one person, they say they can do this. Has anyone had this problem before? Regards, Alan Lee -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Animals can be driven crazy by placing too many in too small a pen. This is number 161 of a collection of 1109 quotes. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
Hey. I have two IP address blocks, both are /28's situated in diffrent net blocks. My ISP has requested one of them back, I have had this address rang for over a year now. They say it was given to me by accident, and say its for use with 'internal customers'. Is this legal for them to do? Ive talked to one person, they say they can do this. Has anyone had this problem before? Regards, Alan Lee -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The Books Signatures
quote who="Anthony Wood" And that bus! What about the bus? You know the one that keeps hitting people. I think the company is "Proverbial". So, for all of those people who email me wondering what the following signature means... - Jeff -- - What inspired you to become a bus driver? - Linus Torvalds. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 06:58:06PM +1000, Rob B wrote: A lot of ISP's will lease the IP space to you rather than selling it. What you can do is read your contract with the ISP and see if it mentions allocations of IP space. You can also check on the APNIC web site (http://www.apnic.net) to see who really owns the IP space. as far as I'm aware no one actually owns IP addresses, even ISPs, you just get assigned them as you need them and give them back when no longer required anymore. That's the theory anyway (AFAIK, YMMV and other assorted acronyms) so maybe your ISP has been asked to give those addresses back to the registry? Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
The address space is owned by one.net, but my company is listed in the aunic database for that IP address range. They are saying I have been 'allocated the incorrect IP range', even tho I have had the address range over a year now. This has only came to there knolidge when I have requeseted a change for the reverse dns. I also requested a change about 8 months ago, they didn't pick up anything weird then. They are also saying the IP addresses have 'already been taken'. Should I yell and scream, or just give em up? btw, the block is 203.101.21.0/28 (203.101.21.95-110ish) Regards - Original Message - From: "Dave Fitch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 06:58:06PM +1000, Rob B wrote: A lot of ISP's will lease the IP space to you rather than selling it. What you can do is read your contract with the ISP and see if it mentions allocations of IP space. You can also check on the APNIC web site (http://www.apnic.net) to see who really owns the IP space. as far as I'm aware no one actually owns IP addresses, even ISPs, you just get assigned them as you need them and give them back when no longer required anymore. That's the theory anyway (AFAIK, YMMV and other assorted acronyms) so maybe your ISP has been asked to give those addresses back to the registry? Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem
The thing that stopped it was when I went to the RH Dialler to set up my other ISP modem connection. Killed the ADSL connection. have a look at what the dialler installs... ie rpm -ql package-name so you can check to see if it is clobbering any important files... in other news: we had ADSL installed today. came home, installed roaring penguin pppoe and pmfirewall (for firewall/NAT). up and running in less then half an hour. currently the box is being apt-get upgraded to the latest debian stable. :) big shout to rebecca for the web page, it was fantastic to have such a comprehensive rundown of the process and pitfalls. later marty "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Fitch wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 06:58:06PM +1000, Rob B wrote: A lot of ISP's will lease the IP space to you rather than selling it. What you can do is read your contract with the ISP and see if it mentions allocations of IP space. You can also check on the APNIC web site (http://www.apnic.net) to see who really owns the IP space. as far as I'm aware no one actually owns IP addresses, even ISPs, you just get assigned them as you need them and give them back when no longer required anymore. That's the theory anyway (AFAIK, YMMV and other assorted acronyms) so maybe your ISP has been asked to give those addresses back to the registry? daves right... IP space isn't owned, it is leased by the various NICs (ARIN, RIPE and APNIC) to people who can demostrate need for the space... your ISP would sublease that space to you (they can't sell what they don't own)... read your contract to see on what grounds they can terminate the lease later marty "I can't buy what I want because it's free. Can't be what they want because I'm me." - Corduroy, Pearl Jam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem
Meanwhile... some of us are still waiting for roll out... give me ADSL, and I will be a happy soul... ... wait continues for Telstra to do roll out plan for my exchange... we had ADSL installed today. came home, installed roaring penguin pppoe and pmfirewall (for firewall/NAT). up and running in less then half an hour. currently the box is being apt-get upgraded to the latest debian stable. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] file system full - debugfs
Howard Lowndes wrote:
Any money that you are running Mandrake 7.1? I had the same problem. It
also screws your /var/log/news directory.
I have nothing to offer but you've won the guess the distro quiz :-)
- I managed to fix it using the 1st tip I received.
JYP
A df -i will show that you are out of inodes.
Do
find /var/log/mail -exec rm -f {} \;
It will take time but it will kill them off eventually.
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jean-Yves Provost wrote:
Hi all,
I have a problem where I can not create any files in my / partition
although df doesn't show any problem
FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 1.0G 732M 249M 75% /
/dev/hda6 860M 169M 647M 21% /home
I've located the culprit, /var/log/mail on /dev/hda1
ie: ls -l /var/log/mail does not respond
if I try 'rm *.1' it returns
bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
output from debugfs of /var/log/mail
-- snip
52684 (52) mail.info.1.gz.2.gz.1.gz.2.gz.4.gz.2.gz.1.1
65767 (52) mail.info.1.gz.2.gz.1.gz.4.gz.5.gz.2.gz.1
65673 (52) mail.info.1.gz.2.gz.1.gz.2.gz.5.gz.3.gz.1.1
65709 (68) mail.info.1.gz.2.gz.1
31056 (52) mail.info.1.gz.2.gz.2.gz.2.gz.2.gz.4.gz.1.1
..
-- snip
Looks like the logrotate cron is stuffed and I'll fix that ;-)
the list is huge and I can delete files individually in debugfs
I'm unable to use wild cards *.1, rmdir is not yet implemented in
debugfs:
any suggestion to remove the entire content of that directory?
Thanks
JYP
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Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:13:29PM +1000, Alan Lee wrote: The address space is owned by one.net, but my company is listed in the aunic database for that IP address range. if it's one.net you're dealing with, it's probably their stuff-up, it's a fair bet anyway, i've never heard of them getting anything right, especially admin/billing type things. (IMO one.net/one.tel are up there with AAPT as telecomms companies that manage to make telstra look good) Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
Please oh please do not put us poor workers of AAPT in the same bucket as OneTel, also oneday soon our DSL will be released (I am sure I would be shot if I told you when) but I could not get on the testing platform and connect it using Linux, oh well we will have to wait and see, but it will be aimed at business (initially). On Wednesday 18 April 2001 21:59, Dave Fitch wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:13:29PM +1000, Alan Lee wrote: The address space is owned by one.net, but my company is listed in the aunic database for that IP address range. if it's one.net you're dealing with, it's probably their stuff-up, it's a fair bet anyway, i've never heard of them getting anything right, especially admin/billing type things. (IMO one.net/one.tel are up there with AAPT as telecomms companies that manage to make telstra look good) Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Xfree and my Keyboard
Hi all, I have just setup Progeny RC1 (I downloaded it 2 days before the full version came out, so I'm not going through the pain of downloading it again unless its worth it!) anyway, I have a problem with my keyboard. I can use my keyboard when I start at console, but as soon as I startx, it won't respond. I have used xf86config, just incase it was a config problem, but that didn't work. Below is my xf86config section about the keyboard, if that's useful: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard1" Driver "Keyboard" # For most OSs the protocol can be omitted (it defaults to "Standard"). # When using XQUEUE (only for SVR3 and SVR4, but not Solaris), # uncomment the following line. #Option "Protocol" "Xqueue" Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) #Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" #Option "LeftAlt" "Meta" #Option "RightAlt""ModeShift" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: #Option "XkbModel""pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: #Option "XkbModel""microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: #Option "XkbLayout" "de" # or: #Option "XkbLayout" "de" #Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: #Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" # These are the default XKB settings for XFree86 #Option "XkbRules""xfree86" #Option "XkbModel""pc101" #Option "XkbLayout" "us" #Option "XkbVariant" "" #Option "XkbOptions" "" #Option "XkbDisable" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc101" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection My XFree86 version is 4.0.2. Could my XKB file be corrupt? is this a known issue in RC1? Thanks for any help you could give Regards, Scott -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] RE: Xfree and my Keyboard
Sorry for two messages but, I forgot to add there are no reported errors or anything, my mouse works fine, this also happened in the installation, when XFree was loaded in the middle of the installation. Rgds Scott -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
On Wednesday 18 April 2001 22:30, blinddog wrote: Please oh please do not put us poor workers of AAPT in the same bucket as OneTel, also oneday soon our DSL will be released (I am sure I would be shot if I told you when) but I could not get on the testing platform and connect it using Linux, oh well we will have to wait and see, but it will be aimed at business (initially). And it will be so damn expensive that us mere mortals won'y have a hope in hell of being able to afford it. PLUS, like most of the other Telco's, they won't support Linux. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
quote who="Jon Biddell" And it will be so damn expensive that us mere mortals won'y have a hope in hell of being able to afford it. PLUS, like most of the other Telco's, they won't support Linux. http://corporate.pacific.net.au/ - Jeff -- "Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly." - Robert Doisneau -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Dues other things
Craige McWhirter wrote:
Grahame, for yourself and others who could not make the AGM, my
enlistment to the committee was soley with "Fests" in mind. "Fests" will
essentially be my sole SLUG focus and I'm going to be canvassing my
Good.
ideas across the list shortly. The last fest we held, while only low in
numbers comparatively (about 30) was a enjoyed by all who attended and
is a style I hope to take to other small and large fests we organise.
30 isn't that low. Some of the initial installfests were over the
hundred probably because they were the first and novel. Slug was also
smaller. We've grown as a result.
Over the next 12 months I hope to lay a blueprint for SLUG fests that
will be able to continue rolling regardless of who is on the committee
each year.
All ideas are welcome (and will be pilfered).
The pattern I suggested and initially followed was
InstallFest - get it on the system,
ConfigFest - tune it, fix it, improve it,
AppsFest - use it (security, programming, etc all fit into these.
If you have the people to help, then Slug can run one of these a month.
The balance of each will depend on Slug interest.
- If you want to grow, have quarterly installfests.
- Inundated with difficulties in some area - put on a ConfigFest
that includes that.
- And cater for special interests as demanded.
And the big problem is getting people willing to organise.
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[SLUG] OT: Please reply off list..
Hi, Can anyone confirm or deny that North Rocks computer markets is every Sunday? I require 2 items, and I am thinking I might go this weekend, and maybe get both items on the spot, rather have the items posted from elsewhere. Soundblaster PCI Live Value and 256mb PC133 if your curious what I need. Thanks Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] IPChains problems...
[If you'd like to see my ruleset, email me off list and I'll forward it to you] if it ain't too big, send it to the list... if it is a bit large, send me a copy and i'll have a look... later marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem
Hi Marty, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: we had ADSL installed today. came home, installed roaring penguin pppoe and pmfirewall (for firewall/NAT). up and running in less then half an hour. I sometimes wonder why Telstra will not support linux for ADSL, as it clearly works quite well. As you have found out (and I noticed as well), getting the ADSL connection going under linux took _far_ less time than it did for the techie to configure it under Windows (and ultimately stuff it up completely). It's _very_ hard to diagnose installation issues when Win98 does not have logs available. That scenario comes down to the skills of the techie (and the customer sometimes). big shout to rebecca for the web page, it was fantastic to have such a comprehensive rundown of the process and pitfalls. Thanks Marty. I get lots of hits on the page but very little email with suggestions, comments, corrections, criticism, or praise. I'm hoping to get my ADSL reconnected soon (as I've just moved residence). Updating distros through a 33.6k line is rather _slow_ (12 months ago I thought it was quite fast). Cheers, -- Rebecca Richards, CCSA CCSE, Unix/Security Consultant, e-Secure Pty Ltd "Secure in a Networked World" Phone: (02) 9438 4984 Fax: (02) 9438 4986 Suite 201, 2-4 Pacific HighwayMobile: 0412 823 206 St Leonards NSW Australia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACN 068 798 194 http://www.e-secure.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: ISP requests IP block back
Why on earth would you want an assigned IP block? Private address space should be sufficient for any organisation that requires a block of IP addresses; and private address space offers the unique security feature that individual addresses are not propagated on the Internet past the first firewall or NAT making it extremely difficult (although not totally impossible) for hackers to gain access to your internal machines. For completeness, here is the list of private addresses defined in RFC1597: 10.0.0.0 to 10.255.255.255 172.16.0.0 to 172.31.255.255 192.168.0.0 to 192.168.255.255 My advice is - Give them ALL the addresses back, choose a private address scheme and reassign all your machines. Go through the pain. Reconfigure your router/gateway/firewall/NAT and move on. The advantage for all this once-off pain is that NO ONE will ever again dictate a change in IP addressing in your organisation. You can allocate as many or as few addresses as you wish, making your scheme as complicated or as simple as you need and sub-addressing whatever you want for whichever branch offices that you have, etc. Russell Ashdown On 18 Apr 01, at 18:40, Alan Lee wrote about: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back I have two IP address blocks snip My ISP has requested one of them back, I have had this address rang for over a year now. snip -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Fitch wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:13:29PM +1000, Alan Lee wrote: The address space is owned by one.net, but my company is listed in the aunic database for that IP address range. if it's one.net you're dealing with, it's probably their stuff-up, it's a fair bet anyway, i've never heard of them getting anything right, especially admin/billing type things. (IMO one.net/one.tel are up there with AAPT as telecomms companies that manage to make telstra look good) *cough* I'd agree with that, I'm currently working on a contract job for OneTel (through the company I work with (better not mention names here ;-) ) and I'd have to say their admin is not the best I've seen. Put it this way, getting useful information out of them or trying to get them to change their ways is like bashing your head against a brick wall. They also like "playing" with their firewalls, a wonderful thing when they block out their own HASs. /irony Good luck with the IP block, I don't envy your having to deal with them :) Catie -- "When impertinent reporters ask if I'm gay, I say, 'I'm mildly cheerful.'" - Sir Arthur C. Clarke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: ISP requests IP block back
Whats to say they already use such private addresses for internal network, and use the public ip's on the companies firewall and DMZ for services that relate to doing business on the internet and publishing pages on ones webserver etc. Still is a pain in the arse with this situation also, doesn't mean they are not already doing what you suggest. Just my 2 cents worth. My advice is - Give them ALL the addresses back, choose a private address scheme and reassign all your machines. Go through the pain. Reconfigure your router/gateway/firewall/NAT and move on. The advantage for all this once-off pain is that NO ONE will ever again dictate a change in IP addressing in your organisation. You can allocate as many or as few addresses as you wish, making your scheme as complicated or as simple as you need and sub-addressing whatever you want for whichever branch offices that you have, etc. Russell Ashdown -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: ISP requests IP block back
-Original Message- From: Russell Ashdown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2001 11:45 AM To: Alan Lee Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Re: ISP requests IP block back Why on earth would you want an assigned IP block? Ummm, you MUST have at least some registered space if you wish to put your hosts on the Internet. Otherwise no one will be able to find you! Clearly the two /28 blocks mentioned only give you 6 usable addresses each, not enough to run the organisation. Just the right number to allow you to put www.xyz.com.au, mail.xyz.com.au, nameserver.xyz.com.au, proxy.xyz.com.au on to the net. You can't NAT everything. (Sure you can have the ISP host for you, but this isn't always a scalable solution) Martin Visser Technology Consultant - Compaq Global Services Compaq Computer Australia 410 Concord Road Rhodes, Sydney NSW 2138 Australia Phone: +61-2-9022-5630 Mobile: +61-411-254-513 Fax:+61-2-9022-7001 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: ISP requests IP block back
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Visser, Martin (SNO) wrote: Why on earth would you want an assigned IP block? Ummm, you MUST have at least some registered space if you wish to put your hosts on the Internet. Otherwise no one will be able to find you! Depends on your definition of "some". You can do it with one address - to point your domain to - and some intelligent inbound proxy setup to redirect requests for a given port/protocol to a private IP range. You can't NAT everything. (Sure you can have the ISP host for you, but this isn't always a scalable solution) Who says? I did it once upon a time - 1500 person company, spread over 6 capital cities in Australia and twice as many office locations - while we had a complete class C address range available, we used _one_ address - everything else was done via NAT either inbound or outbound - including mail, web traffic, and other services. Worked quite well, considering. And it certainly narrowed down the potential for inbound hacks to ports WE defined as permitted, not just open slather. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
* This one time, at band camp, Catie Flick said: *cough* I'd agree with that, I'm currently working on a contract job for OneTel (through the company I work with (better not mention names here ;-) ) and I'd have to say their admin is not the best I've seen. Put it this way, getting useful information out of them or trying to get them to change their ways is like bashing your head against a brick wall. They also like "playing" with their firewalls, a wonderful thing when they block out their own HASs. /irony I got offered a contract there and turned it down for the same reason.. The admins were more like script kiddies, they thought they were 31337 etc etc. Ah well -- Greeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] You mentioned your name as if I should recognize it, but beyond the obvious facts that you are a bachelor, a solicitor, a freemason, and an asthmatic, I know nothing whatever about you. -- Sherlock Holmes, "The Norwood Builder" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem
I sometimes wonder why Telstra will not support linux for ADSL, as it clearly works quite well. As you have found out (and I noticed as well), getting the ADSL connection going under linux took _far_ less time than it did for the techie to configure it under Windows (and ultimately stuff it up completely). :) i managed to stuff up my interfaces setup sufficiently that after installing the second nic the box failed to boot... i had to boot from rescue, mount the right partition, edit the interfaces config and bring the box back up... and that was included in the half an hour it took to install it!! :) It's _very_ hard to diagnose installation issues when Win98 does not have logs available. That scenario comes down to the skills of the techie (and the customer sometimes). it is the techie's skills that prevent them from doing linux... can you imagine if they got something like the problem recently mentioned here (caused by the redhat dialler), the techie would be a babe in the woods... combine that with the owner of the box being a newbie and they would have a hell of a time... cutting us off from support is a way to save themselves time/money/headaches... Thanks Marty. that's cool... credit where credit is due... ;) I get lots of hits on the page but very little email with suggestions, comments, corrections, criticism, or praise. maybe the lack of corrections/criticism is because there isn't much to write about... :) the only thing i could suggest would be indicating that when setting up the nic, after ensuring it has no config anywhere in the system, the command to use is: ifconfig ethN up simple i know, but it would save a ton of possible questions from newbies trying to use "ifup ethN" or the like... you could also point people at firewall assistance... the tool i use (pmfirewall, www.pointman.org) is a fantastic tool, just answer a bunch of questions and it writes the ipchains scripts for you... maybe you could link to a site or page that covers those kinds of tools the lack of praise really is a sad sign of the gimme, gimme, gimme attitude a lot of people have these days... :( I'm hoping to get my ADSL reconnected soon (as I've just moved residence). Updating distros through a 33.6k line is rather _slow_ (12 months ago I thought it was quite fast). ;) progeny 1.0 is the first to benefit... it was getting 30kb/s from planetmirror when i left home this morning... to those who can't get broadband, if you have large files or ISOs that you want to get your hands on, just let me know and i am happy to oblige with the download and CDR... later marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ISP requests IP block back
quote who="Tony Green" I got offered a contract there and turned it down for the same reason.. The admins were more like script kiddies, they thought they were 31337 etc etc. When they said, "Tell your friends about one.tel", I don't think they meant it quite like this. ;) - Jeff -- "Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown." - Forrest Cook, LWN -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: ISP requests IP block back
My advice is - Give them ALL the addresses back, choose a private address scheme and reassign all your machines. Go through the pain. Reconfigure your router/gateway/firewall/NAT and move on. The advantage for all this once-off pain is that NO ONE will ever again dictate a change in IP addressing in your organisation. You can allocate as many or as few addresses as you wish, making your scheme as complicated or as simple as you need and sub-addressing whatever you want for whichever branch offices that you have, etc. Russell Ashdown -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem
Title: RE: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem This problem cost me 20 hours of my life. But I solved it with no help from Telstra I rang them on Monday and asked if they could give me a hand. The guy, while helpful, had absolutely no idea what to do. The funny thing is I had a problem with a Cisco router not talking to a ISDN connection correctly a couple of weeks ago. I rang Telstra, and a guy there was giving me IOS commands from the top of his head over the phone to try to ascertain what the problem was. He didn't fix the problem (it was a physical ISDN problem), but he certainly impressed me with his knowledge and the simple fact that he didn't treat me like a home user. Now, wouldn't it be good if Telstra employed a Linux Guru to make our life a little easier? -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2001 12:33 To: Rebecca Richards Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem I sometimes wonder why Telstra will not support linux for ADSL, as it clearly works quite well. As you have found out (and I noticed as well), getting the ADSL connection going under linux took _far_ less time than it did for the techie to configure it under Windows (and ultimately stuff it up completely). :) i managed to stuff up my interfaces setup sufficiently that after installing the second nic the box failed to boot... i had to boot from rescue, mount the right partition, edit the interfaces config and bring the box back up... and that was included in the half an hour it took to install it!! :) It's _very_ hard to diagnose installation issues when Win98 does not have logs available. That scenario comes down to the skills of the techie (and the customer sometimes). it is the techie's skills that prevent them from doing linux... can you imagine if they got something like the problem recently mentioned here (caused by the redhat dialler), the techie would be a babe in the woods... combine that with the owner of the box being a newbie and they would have a hell of a time... cutting us off from support is a way to save themselves time/money/headaches... Thanks Marty. that's cool... credit where credit is due... ;) I get lots of hits on the page but very little email with suggestions, comments, corrections, criticism, or praise. maybe the lack of corrections/criticism is because there isn't much to write about... :) the only thing i could suggest would be indicating that when setting up the nic, after ensuring it has no config anywhere in the system, the command to use is: ifconfig ethN up simple i know, but it would save a ton of possible questions from newbies trying to use ifup ethN or the like... you could also point people at firewall assistance... the tool i use (pmfirewall, www.pointman.org) is a fantastic tool, just answer a bunch of questions and it writes the ipchains scripts for you... maybe you could link to a site or page that covers those kinds of tools the lack of praise really is a sad sign of the gimme, gimme, gimme attitude a lot of people have these days... :( I'm hoping to get my ADSL reconnected soon (as I've just moved residence). Updating distros through a 33.6k line is rather _slow_ (12 months ago I thought it was quite fast). ;) progeny 1.0 is the first to benefit... it was getting 30kb/s from planetmirror when i left home this morning... to those who can't get broadband, if you have large files or ISOs that you want to get your hands on, just let me know and i am happy to oblige with the download and CDR... later marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem
quote who="Adam Armstrong" Now, wouldn't it be good if Telstra employed a Linux Guru to make our life a little easier? All those willing to work for Telstra support as a "Linux Guru", raise their hands... - Jeff -- "Boys will be boys, hackers will be hackers, geeks will be geeks, and cyberpunks will always just be ravers with Macintoshes." - Monkey Master, Crackmonkey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Fix for ADSL Problem
quote who="Martin" i suspect they have unix gurus who know linux too... but they aren't going to waste those people on retail customers... Terry Dawson works (or worked) for Telstra, so they certainly have Linux dudes around... It's people in a "support" role that would surprise me. Point being: We complain our arses off about Telstra not supporting Linux, but then, would we even consider filling that role? No, we have better things to do. Unfortunate for Linux support, but true. So, who are we to complain? :) - Jeff -- Wietse Venema will write a replacement for BIND. In doing so, he will SAVE the WORLD. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [peterhardy@one.net.au: [slug-chat] Another script challenge]
* This one time, at band camp, Peter Hardy said: I want to replace every instance of 'gzip' occuring in a source tree with bzip2. This is how I did it: for file in `grep -rl gzip *` do cp $file $file.old sed s/gzip/bzip2/ $file.old $file done But I'm sure there's a shorter solution. Suggestions? perl -i -pe 's/gzip/bzip2/g' * Should work -- Greeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] You mentioned your name as if I should recognize it, but beyond the obvious facts that you are a bachelor, a solicitor, a freemason, and an asthmatic, I know nothing whatever about you. -- Sherlock Holmes, "The Norwood Builder" -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [peterhardy@one.net.au: [slug-chat] Another script challenge]
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:24:36AM +1000, Tony Green wrote: * This one time, at band camp, Peter Hardy said: I want to replace every instance of 'gzip' occuring in a source tree with bzip2. This is how I did it: *bash hack snipped* perl -i -pe 's/gzip/bzip2/g' * Halfway there, but I need to recurse subdirs, which this command doesn't do.. The challenge is still open, and I'll put up a free beverage to the best reply; bonus points for niftiness, obfuscation, or obscure languages. Two beers if anybody does it in nqc before me.. Cheers, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Project Management software
all, one of our people just came to me asking me about "Project Management Software" and my immediate reaction was a "?" and "oh no Microsoft" I havent got a clue and dont even know where to start Most of the client workstations are NT based but if I can I would run parts of the software (databse based???) on a linux server where people can attach to (using some kind of client). I dont want to go the "normal microsoft way" as they normally produce data files which cannot be read by anything else and they need to stick to it for bloody ever. could be: * linux based database server with web based clients? * oracle and ??? * linux, php? Any ideas will really be appreciated. jobst -- #include signature.h |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [peterhardy@one.net.au: [slug-chat] Another script challenge]
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:49:12PM +1000, Peter Hardy wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:24:36AM +1000, Tony Green wrote:
* This one time, at band camp, Peter Hardy said:
I want to replace every instance of 'gzip' occuring in a source tree with
bzip2. This is how I did it:
*bash hack snipped*
perl -i -pe 's/gzip/bzip2/g' *
Halfway there, but I need to recurse subdirs, which this command doesn't
do.. The challenge is still open, and I'll put up a free beverage to the
best reply; bonus points for niftiness, obfuscation, or obscure languages.
Two beers if anybody does it in nqc before me..
ahh easy :)
find . -type f -exec perl -i -pe 's/gzip/bzip2/g' {} \;
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Re: [SLUG] [peterhardy@one.net.au: [slug-chat] Another script challenge]
* This one time, at band camp, Peter Hardy said:
perl -i -pe 's/gzip/bzip2/g' *
Halfway there, but I need to recurse subdirs, which this command
doesn't
do.. The challenge is still open, and I'll put up a free beverage to
the
best reply; bonus points for niftiness, obfuscation, or obscure
languages.
Two beers if anybody does it in nqc before me..
OK - try this then
perl -i -pe 's/gzip/bzip2/g' `find . -type f -exec egrep -l gzip {} \;`
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Re: [SLUG] [peterhardy@one.net.au: [slug-chat] Another script challenge]
* This one time, at band camp, John Ferlito said:
ahh easy :)
find . -type f -exec perl -i -pe 's/gzip/bzip2/g' {} \;
Great minds eh John. :-)
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Re: [SLUG] Project Management software
Runs under Zope. Not sure how close it is to prime time though: http://bits.netizen.com.au/Xen/ dd Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: all, one of our people just came to me asking me about "Project Management Software" and my immediate reaction was a "?" and "oh no Microsoft" I havent got a clue and dont even know where to start Most of the client workstations are NT based but if I can I would run parts of the software (databse based???) on a linux server where people can attach to (using some kind of client). I dont want to go the "normal microsoft way" as they normally produce data files which cannot be read by anything else and they need to stick to it for bloody ever. could be: * linux based database server with web based clients? * oracle and ??? * linux, php? Any ideas will really be appreciated. jobst -- #include signature.h |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- Des Devlin smh.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Project Management software
| all, | | one of our people just came to me asking me about | "Project Management Software" and my immediate reaction was a "?" | and "oh no Microsoft" | | I havent got a clue and dont even know where to start | Most of the client workstations are NT based but if I can I would | run parts of the software (databse based???) on a linux server | where people can attach to (using some kind of client). I would start by looking at your requirements; * What type of project management do you need? eg. Scheduling, collaboration, tracking * What type of project are you trying to manage? eg. construction, software development. Is there something industry specific out there already? * Your budget =) There are a lot of free web based packages you could use or adapt. Bugzilla is handy and could be adapted as a problem reporting/tracking tool for most projects. If you are doing software development, I would give SourceForge a go. Of course you could also roll your own using some sort of script/db hybrid. (php/mysql, asp/sqlserver) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Query re a CD burner.
I've just installed Mandrake on my laptop, an IBM Thinkpad 600E. It came with a docking station. I'd like to buy a CD burner and went to Harvey Norman's Positively State-of-the-Art, Cutting-Edge Why-Does-Anyone-Else-Bother Store. I left, having been fed more ragblag than is contained in a sociology PhD thesis. Can anyone advise me on this, please? I need an external burner---called, in some magazines, a kit. I *think* I want an IDE type that will simply plug into the USB on the docking station. If I need a power supply (ie., the kit doesn't come with one) I can make it. I *don't* think I need software. There are, I think, two programmes that came with Mandrake that will do the job. I do not greatly care about speed, being quite happy to start the burner and let it get on with the job. Does anyone know of anything else to which I should pay attention? I'm feeling my way here and any help would be gratefully received. Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] re: vmailmgr compile errors
Anyone have suggestion, I still never managed to get it compiled... just looking at problem once more yet nothing is standing out as something being the issue. --- I installed that package, but i get same error... Any other clues? Thanks Michael - Original Message - From: "Thom May" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 19 February 2001 10:47 Subject: Re: [SLUG] compiling vmailmgr... errors aptget install libg++2.8.1.3 this drags in all the ancillary stuff that you need for a working C++ compiler - g++ on its own isn't enough. -Thom * Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on Mon Feb 19, 2001 at 09:19:56 +1100: Yes, ultra:/etc/bind/pri# apt-get install g++ Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Sorry, g++ is already the newest version 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Have you got a C++ compiler installed? :) Usually in a package called something like g++. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Project Management software
Some folks use Artemis. It's a bloated thick client, oracle based, that runs on NT and probably other things. Managers seem to be able to use it. Lotus has something too, and that prolly runs on Linux. The freeware stuff isn't quite up to hardware engineering project management although for software project management I think there are some potentially nice things being developed... there are a few little ones on freshmeat. I think Umar had some comments about large-ish project management s/w - check last year's archive maybe. Wasn't Linux based though. We are also looking at "Product Data Management" S/W. Again, haven't seen anything for Linux. Some of the more decent ones run on big iron though. I look at the offerings and see if the s/w is extensible, able to grow with the company, supportable without having to hire a team of programmers, what are the annual license fees, rock solid db backend, runs on various platforms, web front end, who can get you out of a bind if it breaks, bla bla bla. M$ doesn't even cut it. Cheers, Jill. -- Jill Rowling, Snr Des. Eng. Unix System Administrator Eng. Systems Dept, Aristocrat Technologies Australia 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax: (02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jobst Schmalenbach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] one of our people just came to me asking me about "Project Management Software" and my immediate reaction was a "?" and "oh no Microsoft" -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE -- This email is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. The information contained in this e-mail message may be confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, distribution, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorised and prohibited. Confidentiality attached to this communication is not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify us by return e-mail or telephone Aristocrat Technologies Australia Pty Limited on +61 2 9413 6300. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Query re a CD burner.
Hi Bill, If you aren't particularly interested in speed, Perhaps something like an HP 7100E would suit your needs. They are an external Parallel Port model that are well supported by linux. all you need do is modprobe the appropriate modules (namely parport, paride, epat, pg) and the device will appear as a scsi bus device that cdrecord has no probs talking to. I think they are available in a 6X record now (the original is only double..) HTH -- Anthony Jones HarvestRoad Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.harvestroad.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Project Management software
quote who="Jobst Schmalenbach" one of our people just came to me asking me about "Project Management Software" and my immediate reaction was a "?" and "oh no Microsoft" Ooh, if you're interested in something in development, try MrProject from the kickarse dudes at CodeFactory (.se) I asked one of the developers why they'd choose such a wacky name, and he replied: "Because Ms. Project was already taken..." ;) - Jeff -- "The ability to procrastinate is what separates us from the machines." - Chris Gregory, Desktop Magazine -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
