[SLUG] Linux.Conf.Au 2004 registrations open

[Mary]

Hi everyone,

Registrations for next year's linux.conf.au 2004
[ http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ ] are now open, and they've already
received a number of registrations. Details below.

- Forwarded message from Michael Davies -

From: Michael Davies
Subject: [CTTE] Linux.Conf.Au 2004 registrations open

Linux.Conf.Au 2004 opens registrations!

Registrations for Linux.Conf.Au, Australia's national Linux and
open-source conference, to be held in Adelaide, Australia on January
12-17, 2004, open today.

Now is the time for YOUR fun to begin.  Right now, head off to
http://lca2004.linux.org.au/register/ where you can sign up and pay for
your attendance at next year's LCA.

But it's not just conference registration that you can stitch up - you
can organise dormatory accommodation on-line, arrange for your partner
to go to our Partner's Programme, sign up for miniconfs, and now for our
next extra special, secret surprise - you can sit LPI exams as well!

The Linux Professional Institute  is one of the leading
Linux certifications on offer, and on the 2 days preceding the
conference (overlapping the miniconfs), you can sit up to four of the
LPI exams at a greatly reduced cost!  Another bargaining chip to use
when explaining to your boss why they should pay for you to come to
LCA2004.

But don't leave it too long!  When we opened registrations at midnight
on September 1, people started registering straight away.  Honest!  That
was before we announced anything publicly.  We were surprised too! :-)

Register early to secure your spot - by doing so you help us put on an
even better conference!  If you want to see our more formal
announcement, please check out our Media Centre at
http://lca2004.linux.org.au/mediacentre for our press releases.

Stay tuned for more announcements soon,

Your friendly Linux.Conf.Au 2004 Organising Team...


-- 
Michael Davies   Linux.Conf.Au Adelaide Jan 12-17 2004
michael at msdavies dot net  Australia's Premier Linux Conference
 http://lca2004.linux.org.au

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Re: [SLUG] AGM Fri Mar 29 2002

[Mary]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 03:28:06PM +1100, Conrad Parker wrote:
> Please mail nominations to the slug mailing list, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
Are nominees required to be financial members at nomination time, or at
voting time?

-Mary.

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Re: [SLUG] General Committee Nomination

[Mary]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 04:17:05PM +1100, Craige McWhirter wrote:
> Quoting Crossfire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > I would also qlike to nominate Mary Gardiner for the position of General
> > Committee.
> 
> Seconded.

I accept the nomination.

-Mary.
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[SLUG] Nomination for treasurer.

[Mary]

I nominate Jamie Wilkinson for the position of SLUG Treasurer.

-Mary.
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Constitution changes (Re: [SLUG] Committee meeting minutes - 26th March)

[Mary]

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 07:49:36PM +1000, Peter Hardy wrote:
>  * General Meeting to be held at May SLUG meeting to discuss proposed
>changes to the Constitution.

IIRC, this should actually read "to vote on proposed changes to the
Constitution," since constitutional changes need to be proposed three
weeks *in advance* of the General Meeting that votes on them, rather
than being formulated at such a meeting.

The current constitution is at:

http://slug.org.au/model.shtml

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[SLUG] LinuxChix chapter in Sydney

[Mary]

Hi SLUG,

A LinuxChix chapter is about to form in Sydney, interested women might
want to go to
http://ps.pageseeder.com/ps/jg/linuxchix/default/2002/2002.html and sign
up so that you can receive details of meetings and so on.

People who don't know anything about LinuxChix might want to look here
first:

http://www.linuxchix.org/content/docs/faqs/

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Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] LinuxChix chapter in Sydney

[Mary]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 12:16:52AM +1000, Dane wrote:
> Perhaps its not comments like mine (which are wholly indicative of
> exactly what sort of person I am, of course)  which necessitate groups
> like LC. Perhaps its an excessive inferiority complex.

Nono, it's simply a desire not to spend time that could be used learning
about Linux arguing with people who do any of the following:

 * Tell people to RTFM.

 * Hit on women at random.

 * Make idiotic jokes and claim that a failure to appreciate such jokes
   has something to do with us not having a sense of humour, as opposed
   to say, the joke being rude or really dumb.

Trust me, it would be really hard for me to be feeling excessively
inferior right about now.

> Maybe, just maybe, it's not me who needs to grow up.

But it's pretty unlikely, you have to admit.

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Re: [SLUG] i need a sofware to penetrate in to systems

[Mary]

On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:44:44PM +1000, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:51:29PM +1000, Booth, Christopher (Aus) -
> ATP wrote:
> > I'll only be at this company for another 2 weeks, so I don't care
> > about the OS and stuff.  My personal data which I was just about to
> > back up and write to CD is going to be hard to replace.
> 
> If you let the command complete, you've got essentially no hope.  You
> now have a hard drive completely filled with zeros and only zeros.

At which point it becomes the realm of forensics type people, who can
sometimes at least find traces of the previous data there. But... $$$

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Re: [SLUG] RFC: SLUG Mailing List FAQ Update

[Mary]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 04:12:57PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
>   http://slug.org.au/~jdub/faq.shtml  

I suggest replacing:

You can also unsubscribe using email. Simply use "unsubscribe
", using the password you were sent when you joined up.

with:

You can also unsubscribe by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] - place
"unsubscribe " in the Subject line, using the password you
were sent when you joined up.

It's a much clearer set of directions that doesn't assume that they've
read anything else. Yes, that includes the rest of the FAQ - people are
minimalists with their manual reading :)

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Re: [SLUG] email

[Mary]

On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 09:28:10PM +1000, savanna wrote:
> Sending mail seems a bit harder - the doco suggests I install a mail
> server like sendmail, exim or qmail. Is that really necessary? Is
> there any easier way to do it? (looking at the web pages for email
> servers, it seems a major amount of study is required to get a mail
> server going).

Mutt does need a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) of some kind.

I'd suggest installing ssmtp or nullmailer, as they are much easier to
configure and are designed purely to grab your mail and pass it on to
your network's or ISP's SMTP relay.

ssmtp does not queue mail though, so I'd only use it if you have a
permanent connection.

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Re: [SLUG] Next SLUG Meeting - Friday, 26th April, 2002

[Mary]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 11:07:34AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Next SLUG Meeting - Friday, 26th April, 2002
> 
>  * When: 6:30pm - about 8:30pm (then dinner, etc)
>  * Where: UTS, Central Sydney <http://slug.org.au/slugmeet.shtml>


Room: 2.4.13

This is the same room that the AGM was held in. For those that didn't
attend, it is on the entrance level of UTS, further around than the old
meeting room.

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[SLUG] Turning off auto checking PGP signatures in mutt.

[Mary]

Hi all,

Since I do occasionally receive signed messages to mailing lists I'm on,
and am not really interested in authenticating the identity of the
sender, or in waiting some seconds for the message to display while the
key is downloaded from the keyservers, is there an option in mutt to
turn off the auto checking, but still allow the key to be checked with a
keystroke or two?

At the moment I have

set pgp_verify_sig=no

which means it treats all pgp sigs like an attachment, and there seems
to be no way to check them without saving the message to a file and so
on.

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[SLUG] SLUG Python Interest Group

[Mary]

Following on from Andrew Bennett's Python talk at SLUG tonight:

The beginning of the SLUG Python Interest Group (PIG).

When: 7:00pm, third Monday of every month, starting May 20th 2002.
Where: Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel, Bourke Street, Woolloomooloo.

We would welcome talks on the following:
 * Learning Python
 * Python libraries
 * Python GUIs
 * Web scripting in Python
 * Python projects (Twisted Python, py-gtk, Mailman, ...)

among others. If you have an idea for a talk, please mail me off-list.

Otherwise, see you there!

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Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?

[Mary]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 04:36:03PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Working on ideas for upcoming SLUG meetings, I'd like to guage how
> many people have highly technical talk ideas [1] that they wouldn't
> normally see as appropriate for a SLUG audience. Also interested in
> *requests* for highly technical talks, too.

I'd actually be interested in a talk of some kind about choosing and
understanding free software licensing, which is technical in some sense,
and possibly not interesting to the majority of SLUG members.

I could possibly give this speech after some research.

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[SLUG] PIG Location Change (Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] SLUG Python Interest Group)

[Mary]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 04:39:04PM +1000, Mary wrote:
> Following on from Andrew Bennett's Python talk at SLUG tonight:
> 
> The beginning of the SLUG Python Interest Group (PIG).
> 
> When: 7:00pm, third Monday of every month, starting May 20th 2002.
> Where: Woolloomooloo Bay Hotel, Bourke Street, Woolloomooloo.

After being contacted by underage people who quite fairly pointed out
that we're more or less excluding underage Python users from the PIG,
we've decided on a NEW LOCATION.

Location is:

UTS, room 1.26.15.

This room is in Building 1, Level 26, Room 2615.

Since we have booked for 25 people, I would appreciate RSVPs to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [SLUG] SPAM stuff

[Mary]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 10:21:14AM +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
> What about a self authenticating mail systems where you have to have a valid
> email address.
> 
> so some thing like
> 
> 1) I would like to join the email list
> 2) mail system send message with random key to email address
> 3) user returns email with the random key
> 4) valid account (well) or after 2-5 days time out the email
> 
> This could be automated

It hasn't reached the stage where we get much spam from addresses that
are actually SUBSCRIBED to the list. (Except for the Outlook virii, but
they normally get caught by the "mail size" filter, because they're
generally 100K or so.) So we don't need to make it harder to subscribe
to the list than it already is.

The spam comes from random spammers around the globe, and is allowed
through to the list (if not caught by our filters, including
SpamAssassin) because anyone, subscriber or not, is allowed to post to
the list.

There is always considerable debate about turning that off, because the
number of subscribers we have who subscribe from one address and post
from another is non-trivial, and the moderaters would have to approve
ALL their posts.

-Mary.
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[SLUG] SLUG Python Interest Group: Monday

[Mary]

A reminder that the SLUG Python Interest Group is happening this Monday,
20th May.

Location: University of Technology Sydney, room 1.26.15 (that's on level
26 of the main tower building, use the lifts).

This month we'll have:

 * a discussion on what you want to see from/in the PIG

 * Andrew Bennetts giving an introduction to the Twisted Python
   networking libraries (see http://www.twistedmatrix.com/).

People considering coming along who aren't yet familiar with Python
might want to look at the tutorial at
http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html

-Mary.



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[SLUG] Re: SLUG Python Interest Group: Monday (time)

[Mary]

On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 06:44:32PM +1000, Mary wrote:
> A reminder that the SLUG Python Interest Group is happening this Monday,
> 20th May.

... at 7:00pm. Sorry :)

-Mary.



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[SLUG] Python Interest Group - Call for Speakers.

[Mary]

Hi SLUG,

The SLUG Python Interest Group (meeting third Monday of every month)
started last month.

I would love to hear from anyone who would like to speak to the group.
At present it is very small and informal (~10 attendees) so the
atmosphere would be very different from speaking to, say, SLUG.

At the moment we are not meeting in a room with a data projector, so if
you want one I can put you down for a later month and attempt to get an
appropriate room. We will have a normal overhead projector and the group
is currently small enough that you could do informal demos on a laptop.

Possible topics might include:

 * Any project (of any size) that you have worked on in Python. Code
   walkthroughs, interesting things you discovered, that kind of thing.

 * Python GUI toolkits (PyGTK, PyQT, Tkinter, wxPython)

 * Python programming tools (debuggers, profilers)

 * Open source Python projects (Mailman, Zope, ...)

"Talks" might in fact be demonstrations or discussions instead.

Could anyone interested in talking about anything Python contact me
off-list?

People interested in attending the PIG should watch for my announcement
of the June meeting, which will be made as soon as I've organised a
room.

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Re: [SLUG] Different email addys using send-hook

[Mary]

On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 11:41:28AM +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
> I have been trying to use the following in my .muttrc:
> 
> send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] "my_hdr From: Rev Simon Rumble 
> mble.net> "
> 
> This successfully sends mail that I send to gift-opentft with the
> amended email address.  However it also sends using that address when
> I do group replies that bear absolutely no relation to the above
> address.

Have you put the magic incantation:

send-hook . "my_hdr Rev Simon Rumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

on the line *before* that?

The . matches any address. Mutt takes the last matchin send-hook for any
message, but if it doesn't find one, it will keep the setting from the
previous message, rather than resetting to defaults. I think the
behaviour you observed is actually that every mail you sent after
sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] had the new From address,
because you didn't have the . send-hook to set it back.

That's the usual problem anyway ;)

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[SLUG] SLUG Python Interest Group: June Meeting

[Mary]

What: The SLUG Python Interest Group

When: Monday 17th June 2002, 7:00pm

Where: UTS Broadway, room 2.3.16, level 3, building 2. Level 3 is the
level below entrance level.

This is NOT the same room as last month.

As yet, we do not have a speaker for this month. People interested in
speaking should mail me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. The PIG is a small
group, and would welcome speakers with anything at all to say about
Python!

People thinking of coming along who aren't familiar with Python might
want to look at the tutorial at
http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html

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Re: [SLUG] mail blocking

[Mary]

On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 06:59:35PM +1000, Simon Bryan wrote:
> Can anyone explain why I am suddenly getting these messages whenever I try
> to send to a bigpond user?
> 
>  (reason: 500 access denied; your IP is listed by rbl-plus.mail-abuse.org.)

Since you say your Red Hat machine is connecting directly, it is likely
that Optus's dialup IPs (all of them) are listed on the Realtime
Blackhole List (or on the Dialup Users List
http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/). It is not uncommon for this to happen.
The website states "We accomplish this by preventing trespassing by mass
e-mailers who offload unsolicited e-mail, aka: spam, using direct
connections to their victims' mail servers without using their ISP's
mail server as a relay or gateway."

You should set up your MTA to relay mail to Optus's mail relay, which
will not be listed on the dialup users list.

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[SLUG] SLUG Python Interest Group: Monday night.

[Mary]

SLUG Python Interest Group.

Location: Room 2.3.16 (building 2, level 3), UTS Broadway.

When: Monday 17th June (this Monday), 7:00pm

Now with a speaker!

Topic: PyGTK
Speaker: Mark Greenaway.

People thinking of coming along who are not familiar with Python should
check out the tutorial at http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html

-Mary.



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Re: [SLUG] Clearing a text entry field

[Mary]

On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 01:07:32PM +1000, Harry Ohlsen wrote:
> Does anyone know a key sequence to empty a text entry field in X
> applications?  In particular, I'm thinking of the URL entry field in
> Netscape/Opera/Mozilla.

Ctrl-U, at least in Mozilla.

This is the same key combination that will clear text from the cursor to
the beginning of the line in bash, but in X applications, it always
seems to clear the entire field.

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Re: [SLUG] SQL developer required

[Mary]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 12:47:18PM +1000, Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> I am looking for a mysql or postgres-sql developer for a project I am
> involved in.
> They need to be able to create a database from scratch (fairly simple
> database) and create web based forms to query it and make the database idiot
> resistant

Hi Kurt,

This ad would be much better off on [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;)

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[SLUG] Quickie talks.

[Mary]

Hi everyone,

Does anyone want to help out at the meeting this Friday with a quickie
talk?

The talk should be introductory level, and preferrably useful to most
newer Linux users.

Some ideas:

 * your mail client or mail setup

 * your window manager

 * your mp3 player

 * some simple networking tricks (dumb terminals, X over ssh, NFS
   mounting home directories)

 * some shell tricks

 * upcoming software (KDE 3.0 and so on...)

The talk will be 10 minutes (please) in length. If you want to do
something longer, give us an honest estimate of time in your mail.

Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any talk offers, and mention if you do
not have access to a laptop with a video out that you can hook into the
projector.

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[SLUG] SLUG Python Interest Group: Monday 15th July

[Mary]

SLUG Python Interest Group

Monday 15th July 2002, 7pm - 9pm

Location: UTS room 2.04.29 (not the same room as last month).

The SLUG Python Interest Group is still looking for a speaker for this
month. If you are interested in speaking on any Python topic or project,
we will be able to provide a data projector this month. Please contact
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [SLUG] dark and desperate times

[Mary]

On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 06:59:54PM +1000, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> As I have just found out that my contract has officially been
> terminated I am now available 5 days a week for FREE work. That is
> until I get offered a job, so you had better get in quick before I am
> all sold out...after all I am a limited edition.

If you get in quick, you can be the first person a "job wanted" to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ;)

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Re: [SLUG] Special General Meeting - 26th July

[Mary]

On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 10:08:38AM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> You don't *need* a ctte member to proxy for you -- you can find
> someone else who is going who can proxy for you if you wish.

Although you, and that someone, must be a financial member of SLUG. If
you don't know any other financial members, the committee members all
are, so that is why we have volunteered to proxy ;)

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Creative data deletion (Re: [SLUG] Why did this happen?)

[Mary]

On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 12:34:24PM +1000, Peter Hardy wrote:
> Woo!  Are we awarding a prize for most creative way to lose data? ;-)

Running rm with - as an argument in order to find out oh so painfully
what someone else just did wrong is good.

But surely there's someone who has posted one of these kind of things:

Newbie: How do I get my printer to work?

Smart Ass: "su -", type in your root password, then "rm -rf /" [1]

but had to test it first to check if it works... ;)

-Mary.

[1] WARNING: these commands will delete your entire hard drive, up until
the point where rm gets so confused about no longer existing that it has
an existential crisis. And your printer will probably not work then
either. Anyone executing these commands on the strength of this mail
will win the prize.
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Re: [SLUG] vim qn

[Mary]

On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 03:23:34AM +1000, James Gregory wrote:
> FWIW, in my research I've found some other useful things which don't
> help this at all. I thought this one was quite neat:

Another useful one is the Vim Regular Expressions 101 page at
http://www.geocities.com/volontir/

No, I don't know how to get is to parse quoted strings either.

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[SLUG] SLUG Python Interest Group: Tonight (Monday)

[Mary]

SLUG Python Interest Group

Monday 15th July 2002, 7pm - 9pm

Location: UTS room 2.04.29 (not the same room as last month).

In the absense of volunteers, I myself am sharing my First Discoveries
of Numeric Python.

-Mary.



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Re: [LINK] Re: [SLUG] NSW DET to be urged to use OSS

[Mary]

On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 05:06:53PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > Otherwise we'll get walked all over... Sure, you will get individual
> > schools, where the staff are Linux-aware, on-side (Orange High is
> > one such)
> 
> Mary - know anyone at Orange High?

Not personally, I guess they're only a few degrees of separation away
though.

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Re: [SLUG] ? on mandrake 8.2

[Mary]

On Sun, Aug 04, 2002, Richard Neal wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 19:12, Michael Signorelli wrote:
> > Has Mandrake got a "win 4lin"  type program in its 3 disk set,  so
> > that for example i can run downloaded  windows programs like,   msn
> > messenger and worldchessnetwork automatically in linux?

Jabber clients (a list is at http://www.jabbercentral.org/clients/, you
probably have Gabber and possibly Konverse installed already) can talk
to MSN Messenger for you - however this is only a replacement for this
single program, not a solution to replacing general Windows programs :(

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Mail syncing (Re: [SLUG] 1337 file systems)

[Mary]

On Sun, Aug 04, 2002, James Gregory wrote:
> Keeping a local copy of my mail archives is another problem. 

This one was one that Jeff and I were discussing a while ago, there
don't seem to be many good solutions. It's especially difficult if you
want to sync both ways.

The ones Jeff and I canvassed were:

 * One IMAP server which is the 'primary' mail repository. Most IMAP
   clients don't sync both ways though. isync syncs a single local
   Maildir folder with a remote IMAP repository in both directions, but
   that's not very useful if you have 70-odd folders like I do, or if
   you don't like Maildir.

 * You could, if you can sync your procmailrc, or your mail client's
   filtering rules, download mail using fetchmail from a central server
   - this doesn't cope well with post-procmail filtering (ie if you save
   mail to a different folder after the auto-filtering).

There are problems with bi-directional syncing in general. If intermezzo
or coda turn out not to be the answer, rsync-ing your mailboxes might
be...

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Re: [SLUG] 'POP host is not defined'

[Mary]

On Sun, Aug 04, 2002, Adam Bogacki wrote:
> I've configured my .fetchmailrc (first line) as
> 
> 'poll mail.primus.com.au protocal POP3:'
> 
> but when I try to start Mutt I get the message
> 
> "POP host is not defined"
> 
> ... what am I missing here ?

It works for me using:

"poll example.com with protocol pop3"

I believe the "with" is optional, so I think your problem is that you
have POP3 in upper case.

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[SLUG] SLUG Python Interest Group: Monday 19th August

[Mary]

The Sydney Python Interest Group meeting:

Monday the 19th August, 7pm - 9pm

University of Technology Sydney, Australia, Broadway campus, room
1.27.26 (building 1, level 27).

A speaker is yet to be found, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you
are interested in speaking to our PIG.

The Sydney PIG's webpage can be found at http://pig.slug.org.au/



Sydney Python Interest Group meetings are announced on:

 * comp.lang.python.announce and [EMAIL PROTECTED][0]

 * the Australian Python users list[1]

 * The Sydney Linux User's Group announce list[2]

[0] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list
[1] http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/python-au
[2] http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/announce/



The Sydney Python Interest Group is, while not restricted to Python on
Linux, a Special Interest Group of the Sydney Linux Users Group (SLUG),
and would like to thank SLUG for its support.



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[SLUG] Talks this month

[Mary]

Hi all,

The committee is once again soliciting talks for this month's meeting.
We'd particularly like to hear from people who have a general interest
talk that they'd be willing to give to all of SLUG, on any Linux or Free
Software related topic. The meeting date is Friday 30th August, and if
you do one of the long talks, there's one (1) free meal and also
satisfaction in a job well done in it for you.

Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with talk offers. If you've made one
previously and we didn't follow it up, smack us around a bit and
volunteer the talk again.

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Re: [SLUG] SSL vulnerabilities

[Mary]

On Tue, Aug 13, 2002, Campbell McLeay wrote:
> I have a few machines running Debian Potato and I wish to upgrade
> openssl on them to fix the buffer overflow issue recently discovered.
> Debian have released an updated package for Woody that resolves this
> issue but have not (last I checked) done this for Potato. I was
> considering downloading the updated source from openssl.org and
> compiling it but I have a few concerns.

An alternative is to download the woody version of openssl. apt will
also install all dependencies that are required for woody's ssl though
and you may not want this.

Just in case, though, to do this you need to:

 * add a line for woody to your /etc/apt/sources.list, keep the potato
   lines there

 * add a line to your /etc/apt/apt.conf file which should read:

APT::Default-Release "potato";

   so that it doesn't attempt to install everything from woody from now
   on.

 * run "apt-get update" to get the newest package lists for both potato
   and woody

 * run "apt-get install -t stable openssl" to install Woody's openssl,
   and its dependencies.

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[SLUG] Call for speakers: The Free Software Desktop

[Mary]

This month SLUG will be attempting to run our very first SLUG Forum!

The forum will open with 3 or 4 speakers giving their opinion on the
topic at hand, and then we will open the Forum to the floor.

This month's topic: The Free Software Desktop. Where Is It Going?

If you would like to be one of the introductory speakers, meaning you
can give a reasonably informed opinion on this topic for 5 minutes (yes,
5 minutes, if you want to do 40, you should have volunteered a normal
talk), please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not me only please) with a
summary of your position on the Free Software Desktop.

Thanks,

Mary.

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[SLUG] Reminder: SLUG Python Interest Group, this Monday (19th August)

[Mary]

The Sydney Python Interest Group meeting:

Monday the 19th August, 7pm - 9pm

University of Technology Sydney, Australia, Broadway campus, room
1.27.26 (building 1, level 27).

This month we'll be discussing the Python/C API.

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SpamAssassin and your MTA (Re: [SLUG] to sendmail, or not to sendmail)

[Mary]

On Mon, Sep 02, 2002, David wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > Lots of great documentation on postfix.org, enormously helpful
> > user's list (when you have a problem, and for general reading), and
> > there are lots of people writing support stuff for it, such as
> > scalemail, amavis, spamassasin, etc.
> 
> Does this imply that spamassassin does NOT work on exim/sendmail??

No, SpamAssassin can be set up for eg, sendmail and procmail. See
http://spamassassin.org/sitewide.html

If nothing else, you could specific it in a global /etc/procmailrc, but
for exim, sendmail and postfix (and others I'm sure), you don't need to.

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Re: [SLUG] dual boot

[Mary]

On Fri, Sep 06, 2002, Paul Maloney wrote:
> I am very new to linux and have on my computer 2gb of free space. Can
> I put linux on here and how do I do it. As I said i am a virgin when
> it comes to computers.

Paul,

Do you currently have Windows on your computer? If so, Mandrake Linux
8.2, and perhaps others, can shrink the size of the Windows partition
(Windows' share) of your harddrive down and install Linux in the
remaining part as part of the install process.

The steps you need to take, assuming you are currently using Windows,
are:

 - get some Linux install disks. These can be purchased fairly cheaply
   at most bookstores, or at, for example,
   http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/ or can be downloaded if you have a
   fast connection that lets you download a lot of data (around 3GB).

   I recommend Mandrake 8.2 since the installer is fairly clear, and
   lets you automatically divide your hard drive between Windows and
   Linux, but others may have other recommendations.
   
 - back up your hard drive. Any change to your computer as radical as
   installing a new operating system has a small chance of destroying
   some of your data.
   
 - defragment your hard drive (if you don't know how to do this, consult
   the Windows help files).

 - insert the install CDs for Linux and reboot your computer. You may
   need to set your computer to be able to boot from CDs. Follow the
   instructions when the install program loads to install Linux. If it
   asks you what kind of system you want, you probably want a
   "Workstation" or "Desktop" system.

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Re: [SLUG] dual boot

[Mary]

On Fri, Sep 06, 2002, Matthew Hannigan wrote:
> ... if the windows partition is FAT or FAT32.  Windows XP uses (or can
> use) NTFS, so I hope the tools Mary mentions detect this.

I've seen people maintain stock (manufacturer) installs of Windows ME
and 2000, which may have been using NTFS. I suggest people read the
install guides though before trying dual booting :)

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Re: [SLUG] Encouraging General 'ftp' to 'ssh' Migration?

[Mary]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2002, Stuart wrote:
> Could windows users participate? Unix-to-unix would be fine. I know
> there is putty for ssh on windows but the associated tools for scp and
> sftp are much harder to use.
> 
> If we had a good gui for all platforms, then it would possibly spread.
> Perhaps there is a good cross platform gui language that could be used
> for such? ;-)

WinSCP is a fairly nice graphical scp client for Windows:

http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/

It includes some of the PuTTY code (BSD licence IIRC) now, which means
it includes SSH2 and compression support. WinSCP is not Free Software,
though, it's freeware.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Debian Testing

[Mary]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002, Steve Lindsay wrote:
> A question for debian-ites. Is there much value in tracking debian
> testing?
> 
> I was thinking that it might be a nice way to stay relatively up to
> date with new software (compared to stable), not _too_ risky in terms
> of stability (compared to unstable), and not too hard on the dialup
> connection (compared to unstable).

I started running unstable after testing froze for woody. But I quite
liked tracking testing, unstable has been known to break things like
ssh, lilo and apache (well, it is "unstable") which was annoying even on
my absolutely non-critical desktop.

> Based on such impeccable reasoning I updated my sources.list to point
> at testing and the updates were 178mb! (on my connection this is a
> lng download) I understand that it has been a while since woody
> was released so there will have been plenty of updates to catch up
> with but are changes to testing usually added at such a rate that I'm
> going to be up for big updates like this on a regular basis? My modem
> is still sore.

Packages go into testing once they've been in unstable for a little
while (a week or so?) and no critical bugs have been reported. So it
depends how often you update. The packages will change a little less
often than unstable, but will change fairly frequently. Update once a
month, and it will be well over 100MB each time. Update more often, and
it will only be 5-10MB as Erik said.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Mail

[Mary]

On Tue, Oct 08, 2002, Paul Davies wrote:
> I don't understand how you set up your mail user agent in unix. In
> windows I tell the email user agent what my pop server and smpt server
> is.  The client communicates with these servers.  Easy.

Some mail clients in UNIX/Linux, notably the graphical ones, do behave
like this. Jeff's mail mentions several. I don't know which Windows mail
reader you were using, but if it was Outlook, Evolution is probably the
most similar. Netscape Mail you can probably find as either Netscape or
Mozilla Mail on Linux. I don't know which one is closest to Eudora, but
most of the graphical UNIX mail clients are very similar in features to
Windows ones.

> All I want to do is be able to send an email and receive and email as
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I have looked at the sendmail site and it immediately
> trails off into how to set up pop servers etc.  It is not immediately
> obvious where it explains how to do the trivial stuff!

I'd strongly suggest switching to a graphical mail reader rather than
trying to configure a mail transport agent, such as sendmail, at this
stage. They're designed to be configured by people who are intending to
run large, publically accessible mail servers. It can be quite difficult
to find documentation on how to set them up as a simple local program
that ferries messages to your ISP - it isn't really what they are
designed for, although they can do it. It's also easy to spend a long
time setting them up with no visible progress for a long time. Very
annoying and off-putting.

-Mary
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[SLUG] Configuring nullmailer.

[Mary]

Hi,

I use nullmailer as my local MTA, which just ferries outgoing mail to a
Postfix server on our gateway.

My machine is named titus, and you see from the Received headers of this
mail that it identifies itself as "titus.(none)"

I would like it to identify itself as "titus.example.com" - some MTAs
such as exim refuse to relay because of the brackets in the
"titus.(none)" hostname.

I have a Debian system. /etc/nullmailer/defaultdomain contains one line
"titus.example.com". /etc/nullmailer/defaulthost contains "example.com".
So why does it continue to identify itself as "titus.(none)"?

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] ia_archiver

[Mary]

On Sun, Oct 13, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On one of the websites I run I'm getting a whole series of access log
> entries eg:
> 
> 209.237.238.162 - - [11/Oct/2002:20:20:52 +1000] "GET /booklist.htm
> HTTP/1.0" 200 36942 "-" "ia_archiver"
> 
> Has anyone run across this "ia_archiver" and have any info on it?

It's the robot that saves archives of your pages for
http://www.archive.org/, which is a site aiming to preserve "snapshots"
of the web for posterity.

If you aren't particularly interested in having it archive your website
(reasons include not liking the idea generally, privacy concersn etc
etc) you can keep it out with /robots.txt. Details are at
http://www.archive.org/about/exclude.php

Follow-ups to slug-chat please.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] St Geo (the wank) & Mozilla

[Mary]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2002, DaZZa wrote:
> I'm afraid to say I've been unable to get St George internet banking
> working with anything but Netscape or IE.
> 
> Mozilla, Opera, any of the others - all refuse to work.

I have St George Internet Banking working in Galeon, without changing
the User-Agent string from whatever the default is. I didn't even know
that that was an issue.

I have the Blackdown JRE (http://www.blackdown.org/). The Debian
packages automatically install the Java plugin for Mozilla, I don't know
what other packages they have available.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Blackdown Java SDK for Debian

[Mary]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002, Pete de Zwart wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> A few months ago, unofficial debs were available for the Blackdown
> port of the Java SDK over at planetmirror.com
> 
> Now they have moved but I can't find where.
> 
> Could someone enlighten me on this matter?

I don't know where they are on planetmirror, but I get mine with the
following line in /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/java-linux/debian testing main non-free

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[SLUG] Speakers for Python Interest Group, Monday November 18

[Mary]

Hey all,

Is there anyone who would like to make a presentation, short or long, to
the SLUG Python Interest Group? We'll have a projector in November.

You're welcome to talk on:

 - Python features

 - Python tricks

 - Python libraries

 - projects you've done in Python

 - projects other people have done in Python :)

Audience is currently small, more welcome.

Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to talk to us.

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[SLUG] December meeting

[Mary]

Hi everyone,

What do people think about a December meeting? The committee was vaguely
envisaging having a more "playful" meeting, and perhaps debuting the
SLUG quiz...

However...

The last Friday of the month is the 27th, which will be holiday time for
too many, so the Friday choices are probably the 13th (only two weeks
after the November meeting) and the 20th (leading into a weekend that
will be the start of many people's holidays). And whatever we do we're
bound to clash with people's office parties.

So, what are your preferences among:

A. A December meeting on Friday 13th December (for that extra special
Friday the 13th feel...)

B. A December meeting on Friday 20th December

C. A December meeting on some night other than a Friday (any particular
nights that appeal?)

D. No December meeting

E. Other

???

-Mary
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[SLUG] November meeting: appeal for speakers

[Mary]

Hi everyone,

Following the success of the "Linux on the Desktop" forum a few months
ago, we're going to try and hold another forum at the November meeting.

This time, the topic is: Linux Distributions' Packaging Systems.

Can people who'd be willing to talk for 5 or 10 minutes about things
like:

 - their distribution's packaging system

 - updating their distribution or its packages

 - availability of packages

 - possibly some sane and informed (please) comparisons with other
   distributions or packaging systems

please email [EMAIL PROTECTED], and let us know which distribution
or packaging system you would like to talk about, and roughly what you
can cover (please, remember the almighty time limit).

Note my Reply-To as well.

Can people who would be interested in doing a SLUGlet (5 to 15 minutes,
general or introductory level talk on cool Free Software thing of your
choice) also email the committee?

Thanks,

Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla & StGeorge banking - *FULLY* working.

[Mary]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
> Thank looks like a mixture of a URL and javascript... perhaps see if
> you can guess appropriate values for some of the variables?  That
> probably means digging through lots of javascript, though :(

I'm not sure it makes much of a difference, because what it does is
launch a second window into which loads the Java applet itself. The URL
of *that* page, at least, for me, is:

https://ibank.stgeorge.com.au/html/index.asp?redirected=True&document=/xml/bank.xml&browser=IE&ApplType=isWinIE&cookies=True&size=&demo=&route=IBS&Version=1

[I don't think it can be directly accessed.]

It contains a lot of JavaScript, which might be more worthwhile playing
with.

However, I suspect, without having done much investigating at all, that
it might be the Java applet itself that isn't completely loading or
executing. In any case, I'm not yet able to verify the original poster's
claims about it "*FULLY* working" and would be interested to hear more
details.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla & StGeorge banking - *FULLY* working.

[Mary]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, Peter Chubb wrote:
> java.lang.ClassCastException: sun.plugin.navig.motif.MotifAppletViewer
> at components.ag.a([DashoPro-V1.1-081598])
> at stGeorge.gui.a7.a([DashoPro-V1.1-081598])
> at stGeorge.gui.a7. ([DashoPro-V1.1-081598])
> at stGeorge.gui.BBB.propertyChange([DashoPro-V1.1-081598])
> at 
>java.beans.PropertyChangeSupport.firePropertyChange(PropertyChangeSupport.java:152)
> at stGeorge.bus.cm.a([DashoPro-V1.1-081598])
> at stGeorge.bus.ep.a([DashoPro-V1.1-081598])
> at stGeorge.bus.ep.run([DashoPro-V1.1-081598])
> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:484)
> 
> So I suspect that the java code contains something that doesn't like
> the Sun JRE (or Blackdown's for that matter, because it gives the same
> traceback, and I think uses the same class libraries)

Thanks for that. I was using the Blackdown JRE, as it happens.

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Re: [SLUG] debian sid mirror

[Mary]

On Fri, Nov 29, 2002, Michael Fox wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Anyone care to mention to me which mirror they might be using for sid
> packages.  As several I have tried on the debian.org pages always
> appears to have packages missing and other strange problems.

mirror.aarnet.edu.au and planetmirror.com seem to be the most commonly
used ones.

The mirror.aarnet.edu.au line is:

deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian unstable main contrib non-free

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Re: [SLUG] The SLUG/Debian Distro' CD

[Mary]

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 12:12:57PM +1100, Bruce Badger wrote:
> > The SLUG Debian CD which was presented at the last SLUG meeting has
> > now 
> 
> For those who failed to get along to the slug meeting (again) ..
> 
> What's on this cd?  Is it just the latest debian or other stuff?

It's the first Debian CD only (you can do a Linux install off the first
CD). Apparently the rationale is to get people along to SLUG: hence the
CD doesn't give them much rope. It also has a little tab which you can
bring along to SLUG and get $5 off membership.

-Mary
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[SLUG] Regular death of screen

[Mary]

Hi,

I'm using screen on a remote host.

At present, it is dying regularly: the connection suddenly 'freezes',
and a new login and screen -ls shows the old screen session as dead, and
suggests it be removed with screen -wipe. This is occuring about every
hour.

Are there any noteable causes of this?

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Re: [SLUG] Regular death of screen

[Mary]

On Tue, Dec 10, 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Is the remote host Debian? (I'm assuming it's your machine at home...)
> See the bugs filed against screen - could be a couple of them. #157873
> is a likely candidate if you're vimming.

Thanks. The active window is generally irssi (I don't think it's died
during a vim session yet). It's not impossible that I'm pressing a
sequence of keys involvoing ^S though, Ctrl is too near Shift for my
liking.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Mozilla & PSM

[Mary]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2002, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> I am using Mozilla 1.0.1 from the Redhat 8.0 distro.
> 
> It won't access https sites and complains that I need to install the
> Personal Security Manager (I guess because of the stupid US export
> laws)

I just installed RH8 the other week and I don't recall having any
problems with the PSM not being installed.

It's part of the RH8 RPMs, you can get the Red Hat RPM from:

http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/redhat/redhat-8.0/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/mozilla-psm-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm

perhaps installing from the RPM will work better than installing the
binaries.

Mozilla also has also built some more recent releases of Mozilla as
RPMs, for example 1.2.1:

http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.2.1/Red_Hat_8x_RPMS/

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[SLUG] Linux equivalents or replacements for Windows software.

[Mary]

Hi slug,

I saw a pointer to this document on another mailing list. It's a very
long list of Windows programs and Linux programs that do similar things.

It was originally in Russian - the author translated it because she
discovered, to her surprise, that hers seemed to be one of the most
comprehensive of such lists on the net.

http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/

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Re: [SLUG] PHP with Apache

[Mary]

On Fri, Jan 03, 2003, Terry Denovan wrote:
> Been at this bastard all day.
>  
> Trying to get PHP working with Apache on Redhat 7.3
>  
> Installed Apache and PHP to /software/apache and /software/php-4.3.0
> respectively

First, is there any reason why you are not using the Apache and PHP
RPMs? Using them might simplify the process, as they'll take care of
much of the configuration. If there isn't a reason that you aren't using
them, you might want to give them a try. There should be some on your
CD, or you can grab updates from mirror.aarnet.edu.au (replace the i386
in the URLs with i586 if you have a Pentium or better, or with your
architecture if you aren't using an Intel/Athlon chip):

Apache 1.3.27:
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/redhat/redhat-7.1/en/updates/os/i386/apache-1.3.27-1.7.1.i386.rpm

PHP 4.1.2:
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/redhat/redhat-7.1/en/updates/os/i386/php-4.1.2-7.1.6.i386.rpm

And if you want certain PHP options, like MySQL, PostgresSQL, IMAP or
LDAP, there are RPMS for each of these in the
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/redhat/redhat-7.1/en/updates/os/i386/
directory too.

If they have any dependencies, you can grab them from that directory
too.

> Can't figure out what it is I have to add to httpd.conf to get apache
> to recognize PHP as a module. Tried what is posted on php.net, and
> didn't help one bit. Could really do with some help here if anyone has
> the time to help me out. PHP.net says I need libphp4.so to be included
> in the line: LoadModule php4.etc.etc. However, that file isn't even
> existing on the filesystem.

What were the PHP.net suggestions exactly? What were the results of
trying them? Is Apache itself working? If it is, what is happening when
you try and look at a PHP page?

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Re: [SLUG] PHP with Apache

[Mary]

On Fri, Jan 03, 2003, Mary wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 03, 2003, Terry Denovan wrote:
> > Trying to get PHP working with Apache on Redhat 7.3

Ooo, my apologies. I misread that as "Red Hat 7.1"

The Red Hat 7.3 links are:

> Apache 1.3.27:
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/apache-1.3.27-2.i386.rpm

> PHP 4.1.2:
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/php-4.1.2-7.3.6.i386.rpm

The extra PHP modules and any dependencies can be found in:
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/redhat/updates/7.3/en/os/i386/

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Re: Forward: Re: [SLUG] SLUG events list, now in RSS!

[Mary]

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003, Angus Lees wrote:
> sorry, I didn't explain the potential uses of RSS at all:

> > > On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 21:57, Angus Lees wrote:
> > yeah, apparently you can get various programs that will view an RSS
> > "feed". stock tickers, evolution summary screens, etc. do a search
> > for RSS or RDF and see what programs you come up with ("straw" was a
> > gnome one jdub mentioned).
> > 
> > you aren't supposed to view it directly with a browser.
> 
> now in my summary page for evolution

There's a list of readers at http://blogspace.com/rss/readers, not all
are for Linux.

Straw (Python GTK2) is available from: http://www.nongnu.org/straw/

and is also packaged for Debian, available from the usual repositories:
at least unstable. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be RPMs around.

Many of the geek news sites have RSS or RDF files:

Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf

Kuro5hin: http://www.kuro5hin.org/backend.rdf

Advogato: http://www.advogato.org/rss/articles.xml

There are some unofficial feeds for Australian media at:
http://axiom.anu.edu.au/rdf (I presume they are parsing the site HTML to
produce those).

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Re: [SLUG] mail sorting

[Mary]

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003, James Gregory wrote:
> I have once again found myself fiddling with my procmail rules in the
> hope that one day they will be smart enough to take over the world. My
> current aim (which I don't think procmail can achieve) is to go
> through all my messages once a night and move any messages that are
> older than (say) a month into the same folders under my "Archives"
> folder.

While this would be handy, you would need to at least run your mailboxes
through formail to split them up into messages and then pipe them to
procmail, all with a cronjob.

I think scripting is probably a better idea.

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Mailbox formats (Re: [SLUG] mail sorting)

[Mary]

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It may be too big a change for you, but I like the MH way of storing
> mail -- one file for each message.  Then doing things like archiving
> old mail or deleting all mail which contains some phrase or header or
> whatever becomes very easy.

I use Maildirs already. That still sounds like a script though :)

And I'd probably use some library rather than parse the headers
directly, so it wouldn't be much different using a Maildir library to a
mbox library.

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Re: Mailbox formats (Re: [SLUG] mail sorting)

[Mary]

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was going to mention the maildir format, but do cli utilities exist
> for it like they do for MH?   I know of an attempt to start on such a
> thing (http://www.nb.net/~lbudney/linux/mdmh.html) but it hasn't
> seemed to have gotten very far.

I've got not idea, but I wouldn't mind writing a script. Perl and Python
modules certainly do exist. I haven't looked at the Perl one, but I'm
sure like the Python one James's problem would be <10 lines, in either
Maildir or mbox (possibly MH too) so I personally don't mind the lack of
cli.

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Re: [SLUG] mail sorting

[Mary]

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003, James Gregory wrote:
> My current aim (which I don't think procmail can achieve) is to go
> through all my messages once a night and move any messages that are
> older than (say) a month into the same folders under my "Archives"
> folder.
> 
> Does anyone know how to do this or do I need to write a little perl
> script to do it?

Doing an apt-cache search for something completely different, I
discovered this program, which does pretty much what you want.

It archives old mail (you can specify how many days "old" should be, or
specify a date range) in mbox, MH, Maildir or IMAP folders to a gzipped
mbox file (some mail clients can read gzipped mboxes directly).

It is designed to be run from cron.

archivemail: http://archivemail.sourceforge.net/

I just tested it out on some of my Maildirs. It seems to do something
odd with the new flag (ie sets it on occasion), but seems to work, and
does copy messages into an existing archive fine.

The only problem I have is that I store my mail in subfolders - ie
Tech/Python, and this will be archived as Python_archive.gz, causing a
possible collapsing of namespaces.

You can pass it an archive name formatting string, designed so that your
archives can have a date in them ("Python_archive-2002-12" or similar").

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Re: [SLUG] Debian + Mozilla

[Mary]

On Sun, Jan 19, 2003, Matthias Oertli wrote:
> Which debian package provides a java plugin for mozilla? I've tried to 
> copy the sun java plugin into the plugin directory along with the 
> acrobat plugin/flash plugin/real player plugin. But about:plugins 
> reveals that even though all the other plugins are loaded, java ist not.

I found that installing that the plugin from the Blackdown Java Runtime
Environment works.

You can apt-get install it if you add the following line to your
sources.list:

deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/java-linux/debian testing main non-free

and install the j2re1.3 package.

The install will automatically install the plugin too.

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Re: [SLUG] Debian + Mozilla

[Mary]

On Sun, Jan 19, 2003, Jon Teh wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 09:16:20AM +1100, Mary wrote:
> > I found that installing that the plugin from the Blackdown Java
> > Runtime Environment works.
> 
> My experience with this Java JVM hasn't been as good, it work
> sometimes, however, it loves to crash my entire Mozilla setup about
> every third invocation, on average - quit annoying, with over 30
> windows open.

I haven't really given it much stress testing. It's never crashed on the
St George website, and that's the only Java applet I reguarly use.
Galeon will open all existing windows (or bookmark them) after a crash,
so as long as they are intermittant I don't mind crashes *too* much.

There should be a file in your home dir names plugin_trace or something
- you might be able to send them a bug report.

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[SLUG] Gecko and St George Internet banking... have they finally given us the IE plugin?

[Mary]

Hi everyone,

I unsuspectingly went to logon to St George Internet banking this
morning, browser string set to:

Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.2.6 (X11; Linux i686; U;) Gecko/20020913 Debian/1.2.6-2

[that is, Galeon's browser string]

and lo and behold, I was presented with the featureful Internet Explorer
style Internet banking login. Unfortunately, it doesn't actually appear
usable with the Blackdown Java plugin (I can't click on anything), but
has St George decided to start giving Netscape/Gecko/other users the
IE-style Internet banking?

I notice that in their downloads section,
https://www.stgeorge.com.au/int_bank/about/downloads.asp?orc=home , they
link to Netscape downloads.

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[SLUG] Re: Gecko and St George Internet banking... have they finally given us the IE plugin?

[Mary]

On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 05:52:41PM -0500, Mary wrote:
> Unfortunately, it doesn't actually appear usable with the Blackdown
> Java plugin (I can't click on anything), but has St George decided to
> start giving Netscape/Gecko/other users the IE-style Internet banking?

After switching from the Blackdown J2RE1.3 to the Blackdown J2RE1.4 and
from Mozilla 1.1 to Mozilla 1.2.1, the new (and hopefully not some silly
mistake) St George Internet banking applet now works - or at least, I
can view account details and transfer money. I'm not sure which of the
two upgrades fixed the problem.

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Re: [SLUG] Coming to SLUG meetings

[Mary]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2003, James W. Dumay wrote:
> Um, do we have to sign-up or notify anyone if you want to go to the SLUG
> meeting at UTS?

No, meetings are open to the public and free. Just turn up :)

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Re: [SLUG] Postfix vs Qmail

[Mary]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2003, Gonzalo Servat wrote:
> I recommend Postfix. *Much* easier to configure, is secure and very
> reliable. Qmail is also good but it's not the easiest MTA to
> configure.

I don't current run a multi-user server, so I'm not interested in this
for personal use, I'm just curious.

Qmail's dot qmail system allows a non-privileged user to configure an
entire email virtual host.

So, for example, I host with csoft.net, which uses qmail as their MTA.
They have designated puzzling.org as my virtual host (see
http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/incominghost.html#virtual for this).  I
control all the @puzzling.org that gets delivered to that host via the
~/.qmail* files in my homedir.

So qmail is useful if you want to let non-privileged users configure
their own virtual hosts without any need for a privileged user to do
anything except the initial setup.

Is there are way to do this with Postfix?

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Re: [SLUG] Postfix vs Qmail

[Mary]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Care to elucidate upon the non-GPL licensing restrictions?

[I think you might have sent a reply to a private mail to this list.
Sometimes not what the author of the private mail wanted.]

Distribution of qmail is under the terms at:

http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html

Note the requirement:

If you want to distribute modified versions of qmail (including
ports, no matter how minor the changes are) you'll have to get
my approval. This does not mean approval of your distribution
method, your intentions, your e-mail address, your haircut, or
any other irrelevant information. It means a detailed review of
the exact package that you want to distribute.

'Me' in that passage is Dan Berstein.

Licences that require submitting patches back to the original author are
not usually considered Free[1]. Free Software requires "the freedom to
study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs" and "the
freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the
public". If Dan Bernstein doesn't approve of your improvements, or you
can't contact him, or he is uncontactable (or dead[2]) then you can't
release your improvements to qmail.

As a user of qmail, you may or may not accept this - it shouldn't make
much practical difference, although it may limit the supply of packages
and patches (I don't know, I haven't done a comparitive study). It makes
a philosophical difference to people who are attracted to the philosophy
of Free Software.

-Mary

[1] Using the philosophy outlined at
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

[2] It's morbid, but people who release code under "you must submit
patches back to me" seldom take into account that this makes their
software unchangable as soon as they die. I suppose you could release it
under a Free licence in the terms of your will or designate someone else
as the receiver of patches, but I doubt many people have actually done
this.
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Re: [SLUG] Postfix vs Qmail

[Mary]

On Fri, Jan 31, 2003, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Yes, but you do it in a more traditional way - LDAP, databases, etc.
> with user permissions to change those details managed separately. I
> don't see any fundamental advantage to the Qmail method... to me, it's
> messy. 8)

I just wanted to know if it was possible. After that, it's horses for
courses (people who like their MTA's setup to resemble much else on
their system tend to avoid qmail).

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Re: [SLUG] OpenOffice.org

[Mary]

On Sat, Feb 01, 2003, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> I don't want to upgrade my (debian/woody) system to unstable to
> install openoffice.org, and keeping my system at stable but installing
> the unstable packages requires me to remove half of the packages I
> have installed before. So I have decided to install using the tarball
> from openoffice.org.

This could be too late, but this week's Debian weekly news announced
that OpenOffice has been backported to woody, although the packages are
in a private repository and not extensively tested.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2003/msg7.html :

OpenOffice.org 1.0.2 for Woody. Adrian Bunk [18]announced that he
has backported OpenOffice.org 1.0.2 to woody (stable) using a
backported GCC 3.2.1. However, he warns that the [19]packages are
only lightly tested and he would welcome any comments. Version 1.0.2
is officially available for i386, powerpc and s390 in Debian
unstable.

18. http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice-0301/msg00169.html
19. http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/

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Backports to Debian woody (Re: [SLUG] OpenOffice.org)

[Mary]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003, Mary wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 01, 2003, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> > I don't want to upgrade my (debian/woody) system to unstable to
> > install openoffice.org, and keeping my system at stable but
> > installing the unstable packages requires me to remove half of the
> > packages I have installed before. So I have decided to install using
> > the tarball from openoffice.org.
> 
> This could be too late, but this week's Debian weekly news announced
> that OpenOffice has been backported to woody, although the packages
> are in a private repository and not extensively tested.

Incidently, there's a nice list of unofficial apt repositories at
http://www.apt-get.org which contains a lot of backports of various
packages to Woody. Of course, being unofficial, it's hard to tell how
good they are...

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Re: [SLUG] Redhat 8.0 module compilation problem

[Mary]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003, Tom Massey wrote:
> The message about tainting the kernel comes up for all modules that
> don't have the right open source licence. It basically indicates that
> if the kernel is made unstable by the module, then there's not going
> to be any source code around to help fix the problem.

It also means that the Linux kernel developers won't touch it - they
didn't like being asked to debug drivers for which they didn't have the
source. The linux-kernel FAQ goes into a bit more detail:
http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s1-18 [note: that's a pretty big HTML file...
it has *all* the FAQs in it]

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Re: [SLUG] Little project

[Mary]

On Thu, Feb 06, 2003, Stuart Guthrie wrote:
> RFC2445 iCalendar covers a lot of what you're thinking about except
> that it uses Calendar clients such as Evolution and MS Outlook (or
> even web clients). Both these two calendar clients comply with this
> RFC to some degree. Well Outlook kinda sorta does.

Mozilla Calendar and Apple's iCal program also work with iCal files.

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Re: [SLUG] Little project

[Mary]

On Thu, Feb 06, 2003, Stuart Guthrie wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 12:06, Mary wrote:
> > 
> > Mozilla Calendar and Apple's iCal program also work with iCal files.
> > 
> 
> Apple's iCal is great and has renewed interest in the iCalendar file
> format. It's better than Evolution's calendar in two main ways. 1) It's
> prettier and 2) it can combine multiple iCalendars into one view. Thus
> you could have your work and private stuff and Star Trek programming
> times as separate calendars viewed simultaneously.

I've just started playing with Mozilla Calendar, which Jeff pointed out
to me. It similarly combines calendars - it doesn't yet colour them
differently, although the bug has been filed... I'm hoping to make an
iCal file for SLUG events in the next few days to go with Gus's RSS
feed...

I'm not sure I like the Moz Calendar interface much - I haven't seen
iCal in action at all.

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Re: [SLUG] Little project

[Mary]

On Thu, Feb 06, 2003, Stuart Guthrie wrote:
> jical can create xml from iCalendar files so as well as posting the
> events .ics to the site, you could:
> 
> Render the SlugEventsCalendar.ics to HTML via one of jicals the
> included xsl.

It's probably not necessary - as the HTML version of the events calendar
is well and truly done :)

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG chat?

[Mary]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003, Phillipus Gunawan wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Just wanna have a short question, I noticed 2 times you guys mentioned
> about having a subject list to chat.
> 
> What is that mean? is there any SLUG chat based? kind of IRC thingy?
> where?

Jeff mentioned slug-chat, which is a mailing list -
http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug-chat

When people say "take it to slug-chat" they mean "take it to the
slug-chat mailing list". But there is an IRC channel - #slug on
au.freenode.net

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Re: [SLUG] Problems with virtual hosts on apache.

[Mary]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2003, Matt Hyne wrote:
> I've played around with the options and searched google to no avail.

I know you solved it with the ServerAlias directive, but web-wise the
examples at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/examples.html#name seem
to be the canonical ones. Strange to see this thread, I was fooling
around with this just this morning.

Until this morning I had whole different virtual hosts for every
possible name :)

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Re: [SLUG] Debian apt install question

[Mary]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How can you get apt-get to install a Debian package that is not in the
> apt database that was download form the web ? Like what you can do
> with rpm.

To install a .deb file you downloaded yourself, use the dpkg program:

  dpkg -i [.deb file]

Note that when doing this dpkg will not invoke apt-get to automatically
resolve its dependencies. (apt-get is a warpper around dpkg, not the
other way around.)

If you want some additional sources.list lines to install programs not
in the main Debian archives, check http://www.apt-get.org/

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Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] SLUG Meeting: this Friday (February 28th)

[Mary]

On Thu, Feb 27, 2003, Eddie F wrote:
> Hello Mary,
> 
> Do I need to be a member to attend this Friday?

No. That's what I meant by "open to the public" - non-members too. About
two-thirds of the attendees at any given meeting are non-members.

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Re: [SLUG] TTF Fonts in X.

[Mary]

On Sat, Mar 01, 2003, Chris Deigan wrote:
> I mainly need to get these Microsoft fonts in for peoples websites and
> word documents.
> Unfortunatly the deb package had to be taken down b'cause M$ removed the
> fonts from their website so Im just trying to install it from a SMB
> share or cdr.

As someone else mentioned, the deb package is still available -
msttcorefonts.

The Microsoft fonts are now being distributed from
http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/

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Re: [SLUG] mp3/ogg player

[Mary]

On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 03:54:51PM +1100, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> WHile I am at it I would also like to modify the CDDA information for
> any files that have blank fields or incorrect fields so that they can
> be organised correctly, so if you know of a tool to do that as well I
> would be very appreciative.

I've been using EasyTag to do this. (http://easytag.sourceforge.net/) It
is a GTK+ application. Its nicest feature is letting you apply the same
tag to an entire directory. For example, if every file in the directory
is from the 'White Album', then you can mark the first file and copy the
album title to every file in the directory.

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[SLUG] Mozilla Calendar doesn't allow me to add events to existing calendars

[Mary]

Hi everyone,

I know there's a few Mozilla Calendar users here, so...

I had an existing build of Moz Calendar installed (I use Debian's
Mozilla build, and install the .xpi file to install the calendar). I
installed a 0.8 calendar.

I had several local .ics files. Mozilla Calendar no longer had these
listed in my Calendar list. I right clicked, selected "New Calendar",
and chose these files. They loaded fine.

However, Moz Calendar now treats these calendars as sacrosanct. I can't
edit them. I can't add new events or tasks to them.

Is there anyway to make these calendars editable, short of copying all
their events into a newly created calendar?

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Re: error message Re: [SLUG] Debian package for printing toJetdirect linked printers

[Mary]

On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 11:48:25AM +1100, Anthony Wood wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 11:45:40AM +1100, Terry Collins wrote:
> > Is there a command to clean out/remove the configuration files as
> > well.  I suspect one of them is corrupted and want to start afresh
> > (rather than laboriously comb configuration files).
> 
> apt-get remove  will not remove the config files apt-get
> --purge remove  will remove the config files.

If you've already removed a package with apt-get, but neglected to
--purge it with apt-get, then apt-get will not be able to purge the
configs.

To clean up in this removed-but-not-purged situation, use dpkg's --purge
instead.

You can use dpkg -l to find packages that have been removed but didn't
have their config purged.

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[SLUG] Python Interest Group: Appeal for speakers.

[Mary]

Hi everyone,

This month's SLUG Python Interest Group will probably be held on Monday
March 24, but before I can organise it, I need a speaker.

Can anyone who could talk to us about Python or Python applications
please email me?

Thanks,

Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Reminder: SLUG Annual General Meeting, Friday March 28th 2003

[Mary]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 03:47:31PM +1100, Peter Hardy wrote:
> Then Jan shall have full power over SLUG, and we shall become his evil
> minions with which he shall conquer the world and bend it to his
> terrible will.
> 
> Please, we *need* more nominations.  Stop the horror! :-)

I think it's OK. Noone takes a title like "Vice President" seriously. We
all know that the VP is only there in case the President, uh, "becomes
seriously ill"...

-Mary

[PS More SLUG horror stories to slug-chat. Thanks.]
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Re: [SLUG] Reminder: SLUG Annual General Meeting, Friday March 28th 2003

[Mary]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 04:09:52PM +1100, Dave Kempe wrote:
> So the joke gets a serious answer and the serious questions gets a
> joke?

Serious answer to the question about what happens if there are no more
nominations?

I *think* it might mean we'd be unable to form a committee, and that
would probably mean holding a general meeting every month until seven
people finally got nominated for the seven positions. In the meantime,
it would be rather hard to get cheques signed, although the monthly
meetings could still be organised.

I can check the consitution if people are really interested.

But, the real situation is simply that nominations are not yet in high
gear. The above scenario is the alarmist one ;)

Also, for people who want to get involved: not all of the present
committee intends to stand again, so SLUG will actually *need* fresh
blood. Offer yourself up!

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Reminder: SLUG Annual General Meeting, Friday March 28th 2003

[Mary]

On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 04:19:08PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > What happens if no one else is nominated?
> 
> ... and the constitution says:
> 
>   "If insufficient further nominations are received, any vacant positions
>   remaining on the committee are taken to be casual vacancies."

Can the committee appoint people to casual vacancies, or do they require
a little election? [To those with a long memory: yes, I authored most of
the recent changes to the constitution, no, my memory is not as long as
yours ;)]

Anyway, better than my casual analysis suggested. The world as we know
it shall continue largely unchanged, except for supplying Jan with more
nubile young food.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Nominations

[Mary]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2003, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Accepted.

Can someone second these?

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Nominations

[Mary]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2003, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> Let's see a bit of competition for at least one committee role, eh? :-)

Some new faces would also be more than welcome.

If you're interested in being part of the SLUG committee, get someone to
nominate you ;)

If you've got any questions about being on committee, email
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Will there be a SLUG Python IG meeting this month [March]?

[Mary]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:30:24AM +1100, Shane MacPhillamy wrote:
> I'm quite new to this list hence the question. Does the Python Interest 
> Group meet monthly at the same time & place?

Generally - it will probably be held on Monday 24th this month, mainly
because I haven't organised the talk yet. Expect an announcement in a
few days.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] SLUG Quiz

[Mary]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 10:43:59AM +1100, Ben Leslie wrote:
> So are people in the quiz prohibited from proposing questions?

I guess you could have a Team vs. Team challenge, where they put
questions to each other. With some kind of game theorectical thing like:
you get 2 points if you answer a question, but if the other team can't
answer x % of the questions, you *lose* 4 points for every question you
answered! That stops there being too many hard questions ;)

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Found 4.2 for Debian

[Mary]

On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:30:41AM +1100, Mick Boda wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I found 4,2 for debian at http://people.debian.org and when I selected
> the link it prompted me to install the software, which I did.

Did you find this with a web browser? If so, it probably prompted you to
save the file, not to install the software. As far as I know, most (all
that I've seen) Linux web browsers don't offer to install software for
you. There are very good reasons: it's a bit hard to recognise what
files are valid installation candidates, the browser would need to have
distro-specific hooks into the package management, and probably some way
of resolving the dependencies.

> Now what?  When I startx it stills says it's using 4.1?  Is there
> another step?

If the above is correct, you've saved the file somewhere on your
harddrive, but not installed it. First you need to figure out where this
is. Check your home directory for files ending in .deb with likely
sounding names - like xserver-xfree86-4.2.deb or something like that.
Failing that, try 'locate deb' and 'find -name "*.deb"'

Once you've found the files, you install them with the command "dpkg -i
package1.deb package2.deb ..." where package1.deb and so on are the
filenames.

-Mary
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