from:"mrmaserati"

Thanks to all of the response about FS1 requirements for a laptop application.

and thanks to John Diniz for the tech support from Horizon.

I have identified a laptop package that will run FS1 as it was designed to run.

Regards to all of you that helped.

Dave Corven.

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Dave, not all applications can take advantage of the second third or even 4th core in todays CPUs. When looking at minimum requirements it can be wise to consider the overall speed of each core as the max CPU speed you may utilize.

In general games are notoriously bad at utilizing second + cores.

Geek speak aside, unless someone from FS1 tells you that the program will use a second core/CPU then assume it wont and meet the requirements by making sure that any dual core+ is at the required speeds.

After that make sure that your new system has an NVidia video chipset in it. Not sure if the Nvidia 8800
comes in a laptop but I would go for that if I could.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the possible purchase of a laptop looming in the future I am trying to make sure that I get the right stuff.
FS1 reccomends 2.8 GHz intel pentium processor and I have looked at the Intel Duo Processor 1.83 GHz/ 667Mhz.Can someone tell me if the stuff I am looking is going to do the job or do I need to go to an Intel core Duo 2.2GHz/800Mhz. or ???
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[RCSE] NIMH Rx Battery Packs

Questions, questions.

I have going through my rx packs with a West Mountain analyzer ( 1 C) and 
charging with a Sirius Former (approx 24hrs @ 1C).

So far I have 4 Intelect ( IB ) cells, 1200 mah (2) and 1400 mah (2), 2/3 A 
size, that have failed muster with 60% to 70% capacity with one 1400mah holding 
at 90%.

My two nicad packs, 700  1100 mah, AA sized, have passed @ 95% and 93% 
respectively.

The Intelect cells are no more than 2 to 3 years old with the nicads over 4 
years of age.

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the NIMH cells are only good for 2 
seasons of flying, and the IB's less, on the average, as rx packs.

What are others experience with these cells ? 

Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Gas prices...

Car pooling is a lot of fun as long as the driver doesn't snore.

Regards, Dave Corven.

 -- Original message --
From: WDKK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Hi Rich,
 I car pooled once.. but every time I stopped for gas and opened the
 door the water ran out :)
 Now that right theres funny, I dont care who you are.
 
 For real,
 Great Idea I did the math and if several guys go together, it
 increases their chance to get in trouble by a factor of ten. (beers all
 around he says as his buddy gets a lap dance) Opps, smell a thermal got
 to go
 
 
 Yours
 
 WDKK
 
 
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RE: [RCSE] NIMH Rx Battery Packs

Ian, you are correct about the typo. Most if not all battery mfr's rate their 
batteries by discharging at the rated capacity as I was doing. 

CheapBatterypacks think the 1450 mah Elite 2/3a's are a better choice right now 
so I will try those, since thats all with decent capacity that fit's in my 
Supras.

Regards, Dave Corven.

PS. A few years ago I worked on a Jeep hydraulic suspension program over in 
Dunsbourgh, south west corner of your great country. also great people and wine.

 -- Original message --
From: Ian Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Dave,
 
 I have not used the particular brands of cell you refer to but, until
 recently, I was disappointed in the performance of all the NiMH cells I had
 used for Rx and Tx applications, and decided to change back to NiCd packs.
 
 I found that my NiMH packs were lucky to achieve their nominal capacity even
 when new, and that capacity deteriorated rapidly. Frequent cycling was
 necessary to keep them working satisfactorily.
 
 I hope your 1C charge rate for 24 hours is a misprint. This rate is far too
 high, and should be C/10.
 
 To get the best out of NiMH packs I found I had to cycle them, when new, at
 least three times, charging at C/10 until they were warm, and discharging at
 say 300mA. I use an uncontrolled charger for this purpose as I find chargers
 with peak detection frequently terminate the charge prematurely, or
 alternatively not at all, when operating at low currents.
 
 Occasional cycling by the same method is still needed.
 
 I got better performance this way, but was still not happy.
 
 More recently I have tried the Sanyo Eneloop NiMH cells in AA and AAA sizes.
 Their performance is outstanding. Their capacity is as specified by the
 maker. I have only been using them for about six months so it is probably
 too soon to say, but so far there is no sign of loss of capacity. They do
 not lose charge quickly while stored like other NiMH cells. Sanyo claims
 they retain 85% after a year and 90% after 3 months. In a test I found I
 still had 95% capacity after one month.
 
 I give them the full break-in treatment described above, though I think they
 would work quite well without it.
 
 In summary, my experience with NiMH cells was much the same as yours until I
 tried Eneloops. They have the energy density of other NiMH cells without the
 disadvantages, and they hold charge better than NiCd cells. And, at least
 around here, they cost no more than other NiMH cells.
 
 *
 Ian RoachKiama, NSW Australia
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Phone: 61 2 4232 1775
 *
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 25 April 2008 11:21 AM
 To: soaring@airage.com
 Subject: [RCSE] NIMH Rx Battery Packs
 
 
 Questions, questions.
 
 I have going through my rx packs with a West Mountain analyzer ( 1 C) and
 charging with a Sirius Former (approx 24hrs @ 1C).
 
 So far I have 4 Intelect ( IB ) cells, 1200 mah (2) and 1400 mah (2), 2/3 A
 size, that have failed muster with 60% to 70% capacity with one 1400mah
 holding at 90%.
 
 My two nicad packs, 700  1100 mah, AA sized, have passed @ 95% and 93%
 respectively.
 
 The Intelect cells are no more than 2 to 3 years old with the nicads over 4
 years of age.
 
 I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the NIMH cells are only good for
 2 seasons of flying, and the IB's less, on the average, as rx packs.
 
 What are others experience with these cells ?
 
 Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] LSF Response To Seattle Soaring Problem

2008-04-18 Thread mrmaserati

Way to go guys. 

Getting LSF involved can only help.

Keep us informed on any progress on behalf of SASS.

Regards, Dave Corven.


 -- Original message --
From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Each member of the King County Council received a copy of the following:
 
 Dear Councilman ,
 
   You are receiving this message to urge you, as a member of the King 
 County Council, to please do everything you can to prevent the Seattle Area 
 Soaring Society from losing its current flying site in 60 Acres South. In 
 these 
 days of increasing urban expansion, flying sites are becoming more difficult 
 to 
 find and keep.  Other leisure activities competing for existing sites only 
 increase this difficulty.
 
   Radio-controlled soaring is an environmentally friendly activity 
 that 
 provides hours of pleasure to young and old alike.  Over 8000 members, 
 worldwide, of the League of Silent Flight participate in and enjoy this 
 hobby.  
 On behalf of those members and our friends in the Seattle Area Soaring 
 Society, 
 we, the officers of the League of Silent Flight, ask your assistance in this 
 matter.
 
Respectfully submitted,
 
  Mike Stump, President
 
  Ed Wilson, Vice President
 
  Jim Thomas, Treasurer 
 
   Jim Deck, Secretary
 
 
 
  


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Each member of the King County Council received a copy of the 
following:


Dear Councilman ,
 
You are receiving this message to urge you, as a member of the King 
County Council, to please do everything you can to prevent the Seattle Area 
Soaring Society from losing its current flying site in 60 Acres South. In these 
days of increasing urban expansion, flying sites are becoming more difficult to 
find and keep. Other leisure 
activities competing for existing sites only increase this difficulty.
 
Radio-controlled soaring is an environmentally friendly activity that 
provides hours of pleasure to young and old alike. Over 8000 members, worldwide, of the 
League of Silent Flight participate in and enjoy this hobby. On behalf of those members and our 
friends in the Seattle Area Soaring Society, we, the officers of the League of 
Silent Flight, ask your assistance in this matter.
 
Respectfully submitted,
 
Mike Stump, President
 
Ed Wilson, Vice President
 
Jim Thomas, Treasurer 
Jim 
Deck, Secretary
 

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[RCSE] FS1 requirements

2008-04-16 Thread mrmaserati

With the possible purchase of a laptop looming in the future I am trying to 
make sure that I get the right stuff.

FS1 reccomends 2.8 GHz intel pentium processor and I have looked at the Intel 
Duo Processor 1.83 GHz/ 667Mhz.

Can someone tell me if the stuff I am looking is going to do the job or do I 
need to go to an Intel core Duo 2.2GHz/800Mhz. or ???

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] For Sale/Trade ???

2008-04-10 Thread mrmaserati

For Sale.

NIB JR DataSafe, PC Interface System. Version 1.07.

Complete with DataSafe Interface Hardware, 2 Installation Software Disks and 
the instruction manual.

Compatable with PCM 10x, 10x II, 10 sx, 10 s and XP 8103 TX's.

For sale or trade. Make offer. Servos, 72 RX's, ESC's etc.or $.

Be Creative.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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RE: [RCSE] Fixer upper Pike Perfect

2008-04-09 Thread mrmaserati

DP's Sacramento Cobra was sorta blue green and he did fix
 it, sorta.

Regards, Dave Corven. 
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hey, That looks like DP's Old F3B plane from the finals in Sacramento, 6
 or so years back.  
 
 I thought he had it fixed on the field
 
 Chris
 
   Original Message 
  Subject: [RCSE] Fixer upper Pike Perfect
  From: Tom Koszuta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Tue, April 08, 2008 5:51 pm
  To: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED],  Soaring@airage.com
  
  Tony,
  
  Hey,  In that picture I think I see a goodnever mind.
  
  Tom Koszuta
- Original Message - 
From: tony estep 
To: Soaring@airage.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a contest plane
  
  
Here's a Pike Perfect, a little bit of a fixer-upper:
  
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1806429
 
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Re: [RCSE] Toledo

2008-04-07 Thread mrmaserati

Yes Ray, Tom won with a beautiful, well constructed Sailplane. Too bad the 
design is not a real enlarged replica of the Oly II as mine will be.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Does anyone know if Tom Scully and his OLY lll won the static Sailplane
 comp. at Toledo ??Thanks in advance for info.
 
 Ray
 http://www.skybench.com
 Home of Wood Crafters
 
 
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Re: [RCSE] EZG Tow hook mod

2008-03-30 Thread mrmaserati

Jay, I cut off the original hook and Dremeled the plastic base up into the fuse 
for a new tow hook mount. 

Then with my dremel cut open a slot 4.00 long X 3/4 wide and glued in, with 5 
min epoxy, a 1/8 ply base for mounting an adjustable Airtronics tow hook.

Right now my hook is set at the C/G which is 3.00 aft of the wing L/E and my 
launch height is as good as you could hope for. Also I have a 5/16 dia. carbon 
rod inside the f/glass wing spar for additional bending stiffness during launch 
and the 2.0 oz xtra weight of the carbon rod doesn't bother. Sand O/D of rod 
for a slip fit.

Also you can use a steel rod instead of carbon for more ballast for windy 
weather. 

I used 5 min. epoxy for all assy. and it is just fine after one season. Winch 
launch is not a problem either.

Regards, Dave Corven.

 -- Original message --
From: Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 How far back are you guys placing your tow hooks on the easy glider?  What
 are you making your modified tow hooks out of?  And how does it help the
 launch?
 
 Thanks,
 Jay


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How far back are you guys placing your tow hooks on the easy glider?What are you making your modified tow hooks out of? And how does it help the launch?

Thanks,
Jay
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[RCSE] Line of sight

2008-03-21 Thread mrmaserati

I find this discussion somewhat strange. After all isn't the term line of 
sight pretty self expanatory. 

It doesn't make any difference whether you are flying 2.4 or 72 or 35, if your 
bird goes behind a building, a dense tree line, a hill, etc. and you can't see 
it then you probably can't fly it very well and if it doesn't come back into 
view pretty quick then it doesn't make much difference if the rx continues to 
get a signal or not.

The only savior now is if you have fail safe and it's programed to work, you 
may have a chance to get you bird back with little or damage. Maybe.

Of course if radio is still communicating and you try to continue to fly blind, 
good luck.

Regards, Dave Corven.   
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Re: [RCSE] Seiko 321 Search on the Cheap

2008-03-16 Thread mrmaserati

Well put Jim. Perfect wording from your lips.

Regards, Dave Corven.

 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ben,
 Very true, as does Barry Kennedy.  Common knowledge to those that have been 
 around soaring for any length of time.  But, there are people in the hobby 
 that 
 are so tight that they would rather save a dollar or two than support the 
 suppliers that support our hobby and make nice planes and other related 
 equipment available to the hobbiest.  This cheapskate behavior is one of the 
 reasons we have so few good distributors anymore, and why we will eventually 
 lose those that are toughing out the weak dollar.
 
 Jim Thomas
  Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12:36 EDT 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: soaring@airage.com 
  Subject: Seiko S321 Stopwatch **Wanted** 
 
  I think Tom Copp at f3x.com stocks them (thats where I bought mine). Check 
  the website. 
  
 Ben Clerx  

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Ben,
Very true, as does Barry Kennedy. Common knowledge to those that have been around soaring for any length of time. But, there are people in the hobby that are sotight that theywould rather save a dollar or two than support the suppliers that support our hobby and makenice planes and otherrelated equipment available to the hobbiest. This cheapskate behavior is one of the reasons we have so few good distributors anymore, and why we will eventually lose those that are toughing out the weak dollar.

Jim Thomas

 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:12:36 EDT  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: soaring@airage.com  Subject: Seiko S321 Stopwatch **Wanted** 
 I think Tom Copp at f3x.com stocks them (thats where I bought mine). Check  the website.   Ben Clerx 




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Re: [RCSE] An Easy Glider Postal Contest

2008-03-14 Thread mrmaserati

Martin, this not about winning or whomping some other part of the country. Its 
all about having fun, possibly making a new friend or two, an heavens forbid, 
learn a little bit more about SMOM.

Here in the Detroit area the weather at the end of May could be very good or 
very bad and guess what ? We don't care. 

We are ready for some fun. ARE YOU ???.

Regards, dave Corven.

 -- Original message --
From: Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A nice idea but we did one last year and our club cleaned up. Obviously 
 we think this is because we're just superior pilots but it might also 
 have something to do with the flying conditions at our field. If the 
 lift is poor -- it happens -- then we will have to work at the flight 
 times but if is medium to good then we get people cruising around for 
 extended flights (one or two seem to be able to do an hour or so without 
 much problem but I reckon 25..40 minutes is more typical of the pack).
 
 This isn't about bragging, its trying to get the contest more even 
 because what's a true achievement in one part of the country is run of 
 the mill in another. There's probably not time to devise some exotic 
 task and scoring scheme to try to level the different locales for this 
 contest but in the future we may have to figure it out on spreadshow 
 flight times vary across the field of entrants for a particular club, 
 that sort of thing.
 
 (BTW -- I really like the plane. It might be a small chunk-o-foam but 
 with if its flown carefully its about as capable as a generic 
 2meter.)(...and it's neat when you find yourself on top)
 
 Martin Usher
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   The Greater Detroit Soaring And Hiking Society, GDSHS, is going to sponser 
  an 
  Eazy Glider Postal fun contest on the weekend of May 24th / 25th, 2008. 
  (snip)
 

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[RCSE] An Easy Glider Postal Contest

2008-03-12 Thread mrmaserati

 The Greater Detroit Soaring And Hiking Society, GDSHS, is going to sponser an 
Eazy Glider Postal fun contest on the weekend of May 24th / 25th, 2008.

The Easy Glider is a molded foam glider produced By Multiplex and available 
through almost any hobby shop or hobby mail order company. It is a great 
trainer or one design glider and very durable. 
 
 This will be a club event with a Seeded Man on Man scoring format. The top 
three scores per club will be totaled and averaged for the club's score to 
enter. Flight time will be 6, 8, and 10 minutes, in that order. Landing will be 
required  within a 25 ft dia circle for a grand total of 10 points per landing. 
Unlimited popoffs are allowed in honor of Gordy.
 
 The reason for using SMOM is to expose more people to SMOM and it's relative 
ease of use even for small clubs with low participant head count. The GDSHS has 
done this with one winch and launching one pair of contestants, one after 
another as quickly as the line can be retrieved. There is no limit on the 
number 
winches.

The two dates, the 24th or the 25th are optional, either can be used 
as desired and the scores are to be e-mailed to me on May 25th for tabulation. 
The Easy Glider is the only glider eligible for this event. The electric 
version can be used but the motor must be disconected. The basic EZG can have 
minimal modifications such as sanding down the mold marks to a minimum but 
still visible, also tow hook relocation and stiffer wing joiners are allowed.
 
 The EZG is known locally as the Beer Cooler so this contest will be known as 
the 1st Annual Beer Cooler Postal Contest and is open to any club in the 
world. this is going to be for the fun of flying gliders and communicating  
with clubs and pilots world wide, hopefully.
 
 Entries are open as soon as you read this and should be e-mailed to me by May 
15th 2008. Additional questions can be addresed to me by e-mail.
 
 Regards, Dave Corven
  AMA 878
 LSF 254 level 4 and holding
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RE: [RCSE] 2.4 Query

2008-03-07 Thread mrmaserati

Jack, check with Jack Iafret as I think he has been keeping up to date with 
Profi 4K (2.4) things.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Strother)
 Does anyone know if there is any plans for 2.4 and the MPX 4000,
 commonly known as the Pizza Box...
 seg !!
 
 
 --
 Jack Strother 
 Granger, IN 
   
 LSF 2948  
 LSF Level V  #117
 LSF Official 1996 - 2004
 CSS Gold
 
 
 
  -- Original message --
 From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  For those of you selling off your Stylus, or Styli (pl) due to 2.4,
  Airtronics will have a 2.4 module and receiver very soon. I can't nail
  them down to a date, as they're also working hard on our new 10 channel.
  
  
  XPS also sells a module for the Stylus, and I have been using it in my
  BumbleBee Supra with very good results. 
  
  Airtronics guys, sit tight the best is getting even better. 
  
  Sh don't tell anyone.  
  
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Re: [RCSE] Re: electric jets 4 Gordy

2008-02-23 Thread mrmaserati

Gordy, also take a look at Terry Nitches (spelling ?) ducted fan stuff. Really 
advanced designs, and fast too.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  I didn't see what particular electric jets you saw Gordy, but the pusher 
 versions on this site are very nice, light enough to thermal or fly indoors, 
 but 
 if you firewall the throttle, you can take these over 55MPH... in a vertical 
 climb. Then bring them back to an into-the-wind hover landing at high alpha. 
 Highly aerobatic and nimble, if you set the throws extreme. Dial down on dual 
 rates and they are pussycats. You really can't see the prop in flight, 
 especially 
 when the motor is mid-mounted.
 www.modelaero.com
 
 If you want them with real ducted fans inside, Hobby-Lobby has quite a 
 variety, as does GWS.
 
 
 
 
 **
 Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
   
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 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)


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I didn't see what particular electric jets you saw Gordy, but the pusher versions on this site are very nice, light enough to thermal or fly indoors, but if you firewall the throttle, you can take these over 55MPH... in a vertical climb. Then bring them back to an into-the-wind hover landing at high alpha. Highly aerobatic and nimble, if you set the throws extreme. Dial down on dual rates and they are pussycats. You really can't see the prop in flight, especially when the motor is mid-mounted.
www.modelaero.com

If you want them with real ducted fans inside, Hobby-Lobby has quite a variety, as does GWS.

**Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.  (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
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Re: [RCSE] Lighter Winch Line

2008-02-18 Thread mrmaserati

What was the line you used, what was the drum sizing and the motor condition, 
age and tuning set up. Just curious and would like to compare it to my set up.

Thanks and regards, Dave Corven.
 
 -- Original message --
From: George [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I tried lighter winch line on my winch last Saturday.  When we had a line 
 brake there was so much backlash that the line tried to destroy my winch 
 brake.  There isn't anyway I would use light winch line during a two day 
 contest.  Pilots need to adjust to winch line strength that is currently 
 used in contests.
 
 
 George MeyersWD6EQS
 Fresno, Ca
 
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Re: [RCSE] Laser cut foam cutting templates

2008-02-17 Thread mrmaserati

Back a few years ago while I was cutting cores I found that paperless phenolic 
was the best template material that I could lay my hand on. The paper phenolic 
always left a very small amount of paper residue that no amount of sanding or 
polishing would completely get rid of. The result was an occasional catch of my 
cutting wire and a less than perfect surface.

Other template materials like formica were harder to cut and sometimes too thin 
and harder able to keep flat on the foam blocks without a lot of T pins.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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 You still have to sand and polish the burn area.  I found CNC cut ones out 
 of .030 to .0625  paper phenolic were the best.
 
 Tom
 
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 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:11 PM
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10783

2008-02-11 Thread mrmaserati

Jim, the question Paul asked about dacron line. I would say no, as it has no 
stretch as compared to nylon and braided vs twisted, braided is also more 
durable therefore prefered.
 Comments ?

Regards, Dave Corven.
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 Way too light.  We typically use 220# test on winches, and we have used 
 heavier 
 at the Nats.  150# test is common for retievers.  I typically put two spools 
 of 
 220# on a drum. 
 
 Jim Thomas
 
 
 
  Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:33:33 -0800 (PST) 
  From: Paul Perret 
  To: soaring@airage.com 
  Subject: winch line 
  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Wouid 120 ib test dacron work well for winch line? 
  What was the heavy line used at Mid South last year, 
  and where can I get some? 
  What is a normal amount of line to have on a winch? 
  Thanks for the help 
  Paul 
  
  
  
  
 
  
   
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Way too light. We typically use 220# test on winches, and we have used heavier at the Nats. 150# test is common for retievers. I typically put two spools of 220# on a drum. 

Jim Thomas


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Re: [RCSE] switch failure

2008-02-01 Thread mrmaserati

Brian, you are right on the spot. KISS is always a better path. Why do we keep 
circling KISS while looking for the ultimate fix ?

Regards, Dave Corven.

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From: Brian Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I just do the KISS(Keep It Simple, S7up1d) thing, wiggle the sticks( 
 and see the response) before you go!! Haven't failed yet. I did have 
 battery failure, but not the switch. I did forget to turn them off, 
 is that count?
 
 Brian
 
 How about a bright LED or strobe light inline with the switch. Mounted under
 the wing, even if you don't do the hookup your self, you always look at the
 hook.
 
 
 
 
 Eugene
 
 
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An Electric Airplane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mateo.Ca.USA

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Title: Re: [RCSE] switch failure


I just do the KISS(Keep It Simple, S7up1d) thing, wiggle the
sticks( and see the response) before you go!! Haven't failed yet. I
did have battery failure, but not the switch. I did forget to turn
them off, is that count?

Brian

How about a bright LED or strobe light
inline with the switch. Mounted under
the wing, even if you don't do the hookup your self, you always look
at the
hook.




Eugene


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Re: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising

2008-01-31 Thread mrmaserati

Joe, if we knew how much $ AMA does supply to support our W/C teams we would 
probably say wow, that much.
That info is probably available from many sources, including the team managers 
and members. Anybody wish to make that info available ?

Meanwhile, Joe, I think your suggestion of a $5.00 surcharge for every 
sailplane contest for support of our F3J team is a GREAT idea. I will propose 
to our club, GDSHS, that we do this and also that we add a smaller surcharge at 
our monthly club contests for the same purpose.

I am going to try to spread this idea in our area, starting now.

How does everyone feel about this ?

Gordy ???

Regards, Dave Corven.
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From: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 It sucks that AMA does not allow more monies for ALL TEAM USA's to compete 
 abroad representing our country. As Junior team manager for the 2000 effort 
 in 
 Greece there was NO AMA SUPPORT for the Juniors at that time and we were 
 fortunate to raise enough $$ to cover all costs for the junior team and help 
 the 
 seniors. So I know how tough it is and it is tougher in today's economic 
 climate.
 
 My idea to help is that ALL USA SOARING CLUBS holding contests increase there 
 entry fee by $5 from now till JULY. This $5 will go to the F3J TEAM and 
 should 
 be a substantial amount, but we need to start NOW.
 
  Maybe the AMA will take note as they sit behind there castle walls in 
 Muncie. 
 maybe just maybe!! the AMA can afford to toss you a few logs for fire wood to 
 keep you warm Rich. (-:
 
 joe
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   From: Richard Burnoskimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   To: 'RCSE'mailto:soaring@airage.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:31 AM
   Subject: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
 
 
   B !
   Well by now most of you guys have your new contest killer plane , and 
 possibly 
 have the radio installed already.  Your probably looking on your shelves 
 pulling 
 out last years broken stuff and glueing that back together for back up.
   Here in beautiful Chicago , we almost broke an all time temperature change 
 of 
 the temperature going from 50 degrees to minus 4 this morning.
   I thought about going out to practice landings,,, umm, not really.
   So, Id like to go to the South West Classic and see your smiling faces but 
 the 
 upcoming year expenditures, plus pending plane purchases will probably allow 
 me 
 a spring flying contest being F3J in the Rockies in Denver Memorial weekend.
   The first time Ill see most of you soaring guys will be at the Toledo weak 
 signals show in Ohio, April 4-5-6. Barry Kennedy has allowed Jeffery Walters 
 and 
 myself to be in his booth to sell raffle tickets and T shirts for the team. ( 
 Thanks Barry).
   I thought making the US Team was hard but this fundraising thing is equal 
 the 
 challenge.  We have 151 days left till leaving for  the WC, and the team has 
 a 
 net need figured around $30,000. Another fundraising problem is our 
 fundraising 
 effort is cut a whole month shorter  because the WC is a month earlier (late 
 June). 
   Thus, I have the  winter blues thinking about it!   I wish I could fly 
 today 
 to remind me what this soaring thing is all about! I think you know what I 
 mean! 
 That is why Soaring is so great,  You can leave everything behind during a 
 flight or two. I could only dream about being in Punta Gorda with you guys 
 last 
 weekend.
 
So We the Team have to rely heavily on your generous contributions  thru 
 the 
 Team website.   I have come to be amazed at the cost of what it takes to send 
 a 
 team to a place as far as Turkey! usf3jteam.com
   If you have already contributed, thanks a million and good luck on the 
 raffle!  
 And feel free to drop me an email to let me know that you did , or email  
 with 
 any questions regarding preparing for flying in the WC.
 
   2008 F3J , USA Team   Richard Burnoski
 


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It sucks that AMA does not allow more monies for ALL TEAM USA's to compete 
abroad representing our country. As Junior team manager for the 2000 effort in 
Greece there was NOAMA SUPPORT for the Juniors at that time and we were 
fortunate to raise enough $$ to cover all costs forthejunior team 
and help the seniors. So I know how tough it is and it is tougher in today's 
economic climate.

Myidea to help is thatALL USA SOARING CLUBSholding 
contests increase there entry fee by $5 from now till JULY.This $5 will go 
to the F3J TEAM and should be a substantial amount, but we need to start 
NOW.

Maybe the AMA will take note as they sit behind there castle walls in 
Muncie. maybe just maybe!! the AMA can afford to toss you a few logs for fire 
wood to keep you warm Rich. (-:

joe

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  Burnoski 
  To: 'RCSE' 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:31 
  AM
  Subject: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J

RE: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising

2008-01-31 Thread mrmaserati

When is a tax not a tax. When it is a donation, of course, maybe pushed with a 
small amount of gentle persuasion.

To me this would not be a tax but a priviledge to support our F3J soaring team.

And you ?

Regards, dave Corven. 
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Re: [RCSE] Tree story

2008-01-29 Thread mrmaserati

Tree / Trophy story that happened back around 1976 (best guess) and I was 
having a very unusual year with trees. Landing in a very tall tree at Lansing, 
MI. straining an Aquila through a tree at Chicago at speed. The flying surfaces 
stayed in the tree and the fuse came out alone. There were more as I couldn't 
go near a tree that summer without an altercation. 

The bottom line came in September in Detroit, at what was known as the SOAR / 
GDSHS
Dual Meet. One day sponsored by GDSHS and the other day by SOAR and as SOAR  
was handing out their trophies, Dan Pruss called me up and presented me with a 
very unusual award.

The trophy was a very ratty log of wood with an even rattier old, beat up hand 
axe sunk into the log, all spray painted gold.

This was for capturing more trees in one season with a sailplane than anyone 
else. It was a very special award coming from Dan Pruss and the SOAR guys and I 
have lost it over the years but I still have a picture of the award 
presentation.

OK, who has their best tree story.

Regards, Dave Corven.  

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About 14 or 15 years ago I was flying at the field on a rather windy, 
gloomy day. There were many flyers their and the lift was challenging. ONE of 
the older pilots got in trouble down wind and tree'd his glider. We all walked 
back and located it Quikly. 
 That is when I informed the gaggle of people thatwere 
there on what I did for a living. I was a tankman. I worked high rise 
construction in Manhattan. I hang three hundred feet in the air with no net. I 
am fearless!Better let a REAL MAN climb this baby. I effortlessly climbed the 
tree to about 15 feet. Then, snap! crash. bang, boom.
 To this day I smile when a fellow flier bent over me as I was 
gasping for air and said," I think you need another job".

 
John HauffStart the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. 
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[RCSE] Berg 5 DSPII Rx

2008-01-16 Thread mrmaserati

Can anyone out there help me with the channel 5/6 function. Currently it 
appears to be operating on ch 5 and I would like to use it with a ch 6 setup so 
I can fly a 2 aileron bird without using a y-harness. 

TX used is a JR 9303.

Castle Creations indicates several days before they can reply as they have a 
heavy workload.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] 2008 GDSHS Jan Club Contest

2008-01-05 Thread mrmaserati

Are we flying tomorrow ?

Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?

2008-01-04 Thread mrmaserati

Already the silly season of winter has swung into high gear.

Suggesting a line strength and turnaround distance as required info for AMA
contest sanctions so we can choose whether to go or not go to specific contests.

Also smell a possible black helicoptor conspericy with the trend towards
shorter, hi test lines to force all sailplane launching to be of the motorized
variation. No more winches, hi test lines, sandbagging, popoffs, sore
shoulders, downwind launches etc. to deal with.

I'm begining to warm up to the idea.

Regards, Dave Corven.

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Wow Jack ,

You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat
around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but
I managed! :-)

I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches
around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets
just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks.
We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make
contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be
minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those
mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of
line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break
and no pop offs.
Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to
agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch
programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR
radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick
camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any
more.
Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys
didn't think of this sooner!

That new 150"SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it
will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests
with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having
an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off).

300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real
men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together!
What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around
thinking up good ideas :-)

Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter.
Gordy :-)

In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree
with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be
even shorter, maybe 300ftBuzz AverillOn Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48
PM, schrederman wrote: Well I posted this under Best
wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So
here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge
to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high
as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a
spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than
the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time
ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch,
including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also
think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch
point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit
ON! Jack (Darth) Womack --
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Re: [RCSE] New Years Wishes for 2008

2007-12-31 Thread mrmaserati

Well said James. Ditto's.

Regards and a Happy New Year.

Dave Corven.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Here are a few wishes for the RCSE community for 2008:
 * For Woodcrafters  Soaring Masters - beautiful days with moderate winds.
 * For the NATS - more beautiful weather, smooth operation, and an outstanding 
 turnout.
 * For Stylus owners - a real spread-spectrum module that they can get their 
 hands on.
 * For the US F3J team - a hassle-free World Champs with the best possible 
 outcomes.
 * For Brian Agnew - success with his line of moderately priced sailplanes.
 * For the outgoing LSF leaders - a hearty well done and a sense of 
 accomplishment.
 * For Gordy - continued ability to make us stop and think and a bounty of 
 topics 
 with which to do so.
 * For RCSE - Glitchless operation and the ability to add pictures to enhance 
 its 
 role as the grand-daddy of all soaring forums.
Happy New Year,
 Jim Deck

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Here are a few wishes for the RCSE community for 2008:
* For Woodcrafters  Soaring Masters - beautiful days with moderate winds.
* For the NATS - more beautiful weather, smooth operation, and an outstanding turnout.
* For Stylus owners - a real spread-spectrum module that they can get their hands on.
* For the US F3J team - a hassle-free World Champs with the best possible outcomes.
* For Brian Agnew - success with his line of moderately priced sailplanes.
* For the outgoing LSF leaders - a hearty well done and a sense of accomplishment.
* For Gordy - continued ability to make us stop and think and a bounty of topics with which to do so.
* For RCSE - Glitchless operation and the ability to add pictures to enhance its role as the grand-daddy of all soaring forums.
 Happy New Year,
 Jim Deck

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[RCSE] New Supra upgrades

2007-12-30 Thread mrmaserati

Personally, I like the original Supra tip configuration as it allows me a quick 
last minute check on my trailing edge, T/E, setting before launch as well as 
other setup or any other T/E adjusting procedures.

I checked my Supra wing panels, #'s 16, all glass, 81, carbon and 166, carbon 
and found no delamination evidence anywhere, so I guess I must not be landing 
aggresively enough.

I'll try harder this coming season, ok Gordy ?

Regards, Dave Corven
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[RCSE] Denny Zech

Denny, I'm sure I've spelled your name wrong, but could you please contact me 
by e-mail or call me @ 248-515-2153 cell at your earliest convenience ?

Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

Jeff, I had a FLS wade built motor powered winch with a wide drum that I used 
with mono for F3B and with braided 200 lb test line for TD. this winch had a 
1/2 inch dia threaded stainless steel rod as a resistor to make it F3B legal 
and it was never disconnected.

1) You can't hurt the S/S rod with the heat generated by the hardest use at a 
contest and,

2) you won't hurt the motor, brushes or any other part of the motor with the 
S/S rod.

3) You will find that you can launch any of the current breed or future 
sailplanes with this package assuming the use of a properly built FLS motor on 
braided 200 lb test line.

4) Battery life will depend on the battery capacity you choose. Small chargers 
on the winch line and a small generator near by all but eliminates that 
question.

Jeff, I have done this and I have built a new winch that will prove again, my 
plan to be workable. Bosch motors used in F3B may not provide the same power 
that the FLS motor can using braided line due to the larger armature and field 
dia's on the FLS motor but here again, the motor of choice in the US is the FLS 
so until we get off our cans and start experimenting with the variables what 
will get done.

I have started with my testing again, HAVE YOU ? Let us know when you have some 
results to report and I will do the same.

Regards, Dave Corven.  
 
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From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Without knowing for sure, I don't think we want the same resistance as 
 the F3B winches.
 The F3B winches use mono so they get power from that, and the FLS draws 
 way more amperage, so if we resistor down to where the F3B winches are 
 the resistors will probably get smoked...
 I would think we would want a little less resistance to overcome the 
 lack of mono, and higher draw of the FLS.
 
 One of the Electrical engineers could probably come up with a decent 
 resistance. I'd expect it to be a small , but as my F3B teacher has 
 taught me a little change is a lot of power.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Long, but read it anyway.
 
  Tension limiter discussions come and go and even the simplest concepts not 
 only add a substantial cost to each winch an more potential failure points 
 which 
 could put a winch in a contest situation down for the day, where a broken 
 line 
 can usually repaired within a few minutes.
  Two things that we can do to stanardise winch power, minimize line breakage 
 and make winches more user friendly are:
 
  1 ) A simple 1/2 stainless steel threaded rod installed between the FLS and 
 the power from the solenoid can be adjusted to provide the resistance specs 
 for 
 F3B winches. 
 
  Remember that the resistor rod is threaded so adjustment is simple with a 
  pair 
 of jam nuts. There are a few checking devises for F3B winch certification 
 that 
 should be available to proof the setup. AMA has one.
   
  The target setup should be the same as current (pun intended) requirements 
  for 
 F3B winches for a standard and then any winch could be used for all TD 
 comps,an 
 F3B comp and possibly to run an F3J comp also. The stainless rod is also 
 unaffected by the heat generated by contest loads and cannot fail during 
 heavy 
 use.
 
  Also the cost can't be more than $10 to $12 per winch. That reads CHEAP ! I 
 have done this mod thee times and and can testify to it's ease of 
 installation 
 and cost. 
 
  2 ) The slightly lower power achieved above, and I mean slightly, allows 
  for 
 lower lb test line which will cost less and more importantly allow some 
 stretch 
 at the launch release giving the pilot a better choice on the amount of line 
 tension preferred, instead of jerking the sailplane out of his hand. Also 
 could 
 be an easier launch with the more fragile wood constructed sailplanes. 
 
  This mod has been done 3 times by yours truly with successful results. I 
  see 
 where Mr Hands Off Retriever fame, Rick Botha is supplying the SWC comp with 
 a 
 winch resistor system and that will be the start of something. We have to 
 quit 
 talking about this and get it done.
 
  I propose that we get the Soaring Nats winches resistorised for this years 
 Soaring Nats and with lighter line than the 300 lb test line that we have 
 migrated to this last year.
 
  Regards, Dave Corven. 
  Also Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
 
   -- Original message --
  From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  From what I have seen in this thread, the two real simple, straight 
  forward 
  suggesions seem to be, lower capacity batteries like used in B, and 
  lighter 
  line, like 200# (which the Dayton club already uses and it works just fine 
 for 
  them except they have a great grass field and and no humps in it).
 
  Personnally I just hate downwind launches (my problem huh?) and tension 
 limiters 
  sound worse than retrievers to keep working correctly.  I am really 
 interested 
  to hear how SWC goes to see how

Re: [RCSE] Launching Sanity

Actually I haven't proposed that we use specific F3B winches for TD, but to use 
the F3B resistance spec. as  base line to better control and equalize the FLS 
powered winches for our US TD comps and allow the lower lb test line usage.

A side effect is that this would allow a FLS powered winch to be used for local 
F3B and F3J comps to hopefully get more people an opprotunity to get involved 
in FAI activities.

Anker wrote the following:

There's a much better method than using a resistor. The resistor 
generates heat that is pure wasted energy. Instead, an automatic pulser 
that cuts the power to the solenoids when the current exceeds a certain 
value is a much better solution. There's an even better advantage to 
this solution because you can adjust the maximum current depending on 
what is being launched. An even more advanced concept is to have a foot 
pedal that isn't simply and on/off switch, but a rheostat that controls 
the current limiter. I actually have one of these sitting in my garage.

I can appreciate the above concept in theory but again it is bound to be more 
expensive to fab and install and more important it will be some what more 
fragile and if it fails to an all on condition, OOOPS !

The S/S threaded rod is cheap, can't fail to an all on or off condition, read 
reliability, it is manually adjustable with a pair of small wrenches, once set 
it can't change value and since it is exposed to the air, with especially the 
threads, it is much better cooling than say for instance a so;id bar.

Employing the KISS method by Keepng It Simple Stupid is always a better way 
to go.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] Launching Sanity

I think Dennis Phelan, of Mike Lachowski Land, deserves the credit for the S/S 
threaded resistor rod rod for use with the FLS Motors.

At least I got my first one from Dennis when he graduated to a F3B specific 
winch.

So blame Dennis, not me.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] Launching Sanity

2007-12-21 Thread mrmaserati

Long, but read it anyway.

Tension limiter discussions come and go and even the simplest concepts not only 
add a substantial cost to each winch an more potential failure points which 
could put a winch in a contest situation down for the day, where a broken line 
can usually repaired within a few minutes.
Two things that we can do to stanardise winch power, minimize line breakage and 
make winches more user friendly are:

1 ) A simple 1/2 stainless steel threaded rod installed between the FLS and the 
power from the solenoid can be adjusted to provide the resistance specs for F3B 
winches. 

Remember that the resistor rod is threaded so adjustment is simple with a pair 
of jam nuts. There are a few checking devises for F3B winch certification that 
should be available to proof the setup. AMA has one.
 
The target setup should be the same as current (pun intended) requirements for 
F3B winches for a standard and then any winch could be used for all TD comps,an 
F3B comp and possibly to run an F3J comp also. The stainless rod is also 
unaffected by the heat generated by contest loads and cannot fail during heavy 
use.

Also the cost can't be more than $10 to $12 per winch. That reads CHEAP ! I 
have done this mod thee times and and can testify to it's ease of installation 
and cost. 

2 ) The slightly lower power achieved above, and I mean slightly, allows for 
lower lb test line which will cost less and more importantly allow some stretch 
at the launch release giving the pilot a better choice on the amount of line 
tension preferred, instead of jerking the sailplane out of his hand. Also could 
be an easier launch with the more fragile wood constructed sailplanes. 

This mod has been done 3 times by yours truly with successful results. I see 
where Mr Hands Off Retriever fame, Rick Botha is supplying the SWC comp with a 
winch resistor system and that will be the start of something. We have to quit 
talking about this and get it done.

I propose that we get the Soaring Nats winches resistorised for this years 
Soaring Nats and with lighter line than the 300 lb test line that we have 
migrated to this last year.

Regards, Dave Corven. 
Also Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

 -- Original message --
From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From what I have seen in this thread, the two real simple, straight forward 
 suggesions seem to be, lower capacity batteries like used in B, and lighter 
 line, like 200# (which the Dayton club already uses and it works just fine 
 for 
 them except they have a great grass field and and no humps in it).
 
 Personnally I just hate downwind launches (my problem huh?) and tension 
 limiters 
 sound worse than retrievers to keep working correctly.  I am really 
 interested 
 to hear how SWC goes to see how Rick's resistor set up works, that might work 
 just fine.
 
 I've had my arse chewed on privitaly about somethings here, heh, these are 
 just 
 ideas, right?  Still wished we all had the B winches though, then there is no 
 problem.
 
 Marc
 
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Re: [RCSE] Icon 2

2007-12-20 Thread mrmaserati

The line will ultimately be drawn by the competitors and where ever that may 
be, we don't yet know.

Big, to a point, for my old eyes and still light enough to not destroy the 
winch lines is a balance I work on with unlimited ships like my Supra or AVA. 
So far line strengths above 250 lbs. are not required for my above mentioned 
birds. That is the line strength I have on my winch which is powered with a 
Wade build FLS motor.

Regards, Dave Corven. 
 -- Original message --
From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro 
 models. 
 My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line 
 breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant.  
 Heavy enough line for these new super ships, will be a burden for the 
 lighter 
 planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones.
 
 We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the 
 lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and 
 weight. 
 
 Where do we draw the line? 
 
 Darwin N. Barrie
 Chandler AZ
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: SC Johnson 
   To: soaring@airage.com 
   Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM
   Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2
 
 
   OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's 
 been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to 
 the old Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about 
 time 
 for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its 
 been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get 
 in 
 line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. 
 Designed 
 by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal 
 Duration 
 plane has a wing span of 150 (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod 
 and 
 carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces as the 
 design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The 
 first 
 prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, and the first 
 production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the first of the 
 year. I understand there's already a list. 
 
 
   No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busy 
 working on my planes. Just get on the list.
 
 
   Whahooo...
   Steve Johnson


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I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and 
competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With 
the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure 
are becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new "super 
ships," will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests 
and a few big ones.

We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the 
heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time 
overcoming the line drag and weight. 

Where do we draw the line? 

Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  SC 
  Johnson 
  To: soaring@airage.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 
  AM
  Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2
  
  OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who 
  you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion about the new High 
  Endand some vague comparisons to the "old" Icon. 
  Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about time for some news 
  about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its 
  been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get 
  in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. 
  Designed by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio 
  F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a wing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 
  2.4friendlypod and carbon boom. I have had 
  theprivilegeoffondlingthe parts and pieces as the 
  design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The 
  first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, 
  and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the 
  first of the year. I understand there's already a list.
  
  No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave 
  Don alone - he's busy working on my planes. Just get on the list.
  
  Whahooo...
  Steve Johnson
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Re: [RCSE] Was SuperDuperSupra, er Icon2, now is about line we don't use anymore

2007-12-20 Thread mrmaserati

Gordy, are you aware that Memphis Twine supplies line to Marks new source ?

Ho Ho Ho and have a Merry Cristmas and a Happy New Year.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 IN the good ole days (and California contests) we used to use  spliced line 
 from Memphis Twine.  It was fine for years but as  airframes improved, winch 
 motors standardized, and skill levels rose, the  spliced line started 
 breaking... a lot.
  
 So one day someone posts a note looking for a different sourceMark pops  
 up with a new source that turns out is every bit as good as he (and we hoped 
 it  would be)...and line breaks went away, at least from bad line (it can 
 still 
 get  cuts and ground damaged).
  
 The guys who feel that only they know 'how' to launch imply that a line  
 break is now caused by launch abuse or a lack of understanding of the use of  
 launch technique.  So if anyone this season breaks a line, he'll be  banished 
 and 
 embarrassed, but likely those of great insight will come to provide  launch 
 skill enlightenment.
  
 The new big planes that pull hard (Sharon, Icon, Perfect) finally had a  
 launch that was up to their abilities and that just made things more fun.
  
 I have to grin at the shouts and touts of launch system limitersour  
 hobby is in its twilight, its already expensive and NO one is going to just 
 dump  
 their club winches and anty up cash for something less.  It ain't gonna  
 happen, so take a reality check ;-).
  
 Then we have the hard liners: If you break a line you have to fly it out!  
 :-( Gr!
  
 Last I checked we have pretty much decided that MOM is more fun, and it  
 ain't MOM if one of our buddies doesn't get a launch.  And last I checked  we 
 don't accuse friends of winch line abuse.  Friends, its the reason we do  
 contests, to share a day of soaring, a chance to compare our skills with 
 others,  
 a 
 chance to see where the bench mark of skill is compared to our own.
  
 Pretty sure Mark still can get that line and will ship it west of the Miss  
 :-).
 
 And of course, don't get it wetit is fishing line, so has been  
 engineered to work best when dry. :-)
 
 Gordy
 
 
 
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IN the good ole days (and California contests) we used to use 
splicedline from Memphis Twine. It was fine for years but as 
airframes improved, winch motors standardized, and skill levels rose, the 
spliced line started breaking... a lot.

So one day someone posts a note looking for a different sourceMark pops 
up with a new source that turns out is every bit as good as he (and we hoped it 
would be)...and line breaks went away, at least from bad line (it can still get 
cuts and ground damaged).

The guys who feel that only they know 'how' to launch imply that a line 
break is now caused by launch abuse or a lack of understanding of the use of 
launch technique. So if anyone this season breaks a line, he'll be 
banished and embarrassed, but likely those of great insight will come to provide 
launch skill enlightenment.

The new big planes that pull hard (Sharon, Icon, Perfect) finally had a 
launch that was up to their abilities and that just made things more fun.

I have to grin at the shouts and touts of launch system limitersour 
hobby is in its twilight, its already expensive and NO one is going to just dump 
their club winches and anty up cash for something less. It ain't gonna 
happen, so take a reality check ;-).

Then we have the hard liners: "If you break a line you have to fly it out!" 
:-( Gr!

Last I checked we have pretty much decided that MOM is more fun, and it 
ain't MOM if one of our buddies doesn't get a launch. And last I checked 
we don't accuse friends of winch line abuse. Friends, its the reason we do 
contests, to share a day of soaring, a chance to compare our skills with others, 
a chance to see where the bench mark of skill is compared to our own.

Pretty sure Mark still can get that line and will ship it west of the Miss 
:-).And of course, don't get it wetit is fishing line, so has been 
engineered to work best when dry. :-)
GordySee AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.
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RE: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models

2007-12-20 Thread mrmaserati

I think the line, pun intended, has been drawn and the lower power winch may be 
the direction to go.

 After having had FLS and Bosch powered winches, resistor equiped, in  recent 
years that used both Memphis Twine braided line on them, I have to agree with 
DP, RB and MS that lower powered winches are the way to go. This will have the 
added benefit of backing away from the near 300 lb test line to somthing more 
reasonable, say around 220 to 240 lb test line that results in some line 
stretch for a less abrupt pull on the initial release at launch. 

I think we have gotten to point with the 300 lb test, no stretch line, will 
most likely intimidate the less experienced or begining pilot and that we don't 
need in this day of declining contest attendance.

Regards, Dave Corven.


 -- Original message --
From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Weak links? 
 
 How do you know as a competitor how much line tension you're pulling at
 any given time? So you're suggesting penalizing a competitor who has his
 model properly set up, pops a thermal on tow, gets windgusted... etc
 
 
 The problem with the you break it, you fly it mentality isWe are
 not breaking the lines at anywhere near their rated breaking strength.
 What's going on is, lines are being abused, worn, and damaged over
 normal usage. This is going on at different rates at every winch. You
 are then penalizing a competitor for having weaker line than the next
 guy. I broke the line at my last Nats a couple of times while tapping. I
 didn't have monster tension, and was not in any way abusing the
 equipment. I was told by organizers to bring it down and relight. I also
 personally witnessed competitors at the first Masters intentionally
 breaking lines for the opportunity to relight at the end of the group. 
 
 Line breaks will always be a part of any contest. The way to completely
 eliminate it as a problem, is to switch to FAI type rules and winches,
 and make the competitor responsible for his own launch equipment. In the
 absence of that, (and that may never happen here in the states) we need
 to make it much harder to break the lines. That means less power. 
 
 There it is - the Supra solution. 
 
 Mike - Insanity and Sharon are identical in span... for some reason.  
 
 
 
 Darylperkins.com LLC.
 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B
 Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403
 
 www.darylperkins.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Original Message 
  Subject: RE: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models
  From: Gospodarek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 4:35 pm
  To: Soaring soaring@airage.com, Daryl Perkins
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I like the idea of a weak-link.
  If you want a level strength playing field for launches and don't want to
  remove the winch tap skill or add new equipment just try this. Make up short
  weak-link loops (ahead of the first contest make 50 for the year) to attach
  between the line and the ring. If you use 250# winch line, use 200# weak
  links. If the line breaks you get a re-launch. If the CD sees that the
  weak-link is what is broken, then the pilot is docked a % (CD option say
  15%) of the flight time. Simple but effective! I'm sure that you would not
  have many re-launches.
  John
  -Original Message-
  From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:12 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: Soaring@airage.com
  Subject: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models
  Mike Smith pretty much hit the nail on the head. The problem isn't the
  line. The problem isn't the size of the model. Our TD style winches are
  unnecessarily strong. I'd love to see the winches restricted at major
  contests.
  I'm always going to fly large wingspan models at an UNLIMITED thermal
  duration contest. I like the way they perform. Period. Sorry, but my
  newest model is 3.9M or 153.5. It wasn't designed for F3J. It was
  designed for US style UNLIMITED thermal duration.
  I often hear CD's complain about guys launching hard. I understand your
  need to keep the contest moving. But blaming the competitor for being
  competitive U... it's a CONTEST!!! We're competing. You can't
  expect a competitor to back off on his competitive spirit. He needs to
  be allowed to do whatever he feels he needs to do to gain a competitive
  advantage.
  Using the line as the weak link is not only unfair, it's dangerous.
  Limiting winch power is a great way to guarantee winch equality across
  the board. Visalia's winches are unbelievably weak, and they have very
  few line breaks. SWC winches are usually pretty strong, but are
  inconsistent from one winch to the next, and change over the course of
  the day. The NATS has the strongest winches I've ever used, and they use
  rope line to keep things going. I know... the darn things ruined a
  perfectly good Insanity.
  Don't limit the models. Don't limit the line size or perceived breaking
  strength.

Re: [RCSE] 2008 Nats Schedule

2007-12-11 Thread mrmaserati

For JD, the hobby is his job, so he is authorized to this stuff on company 
time. 

And I am envious, aren't you ?

Nothing is perfect but this new schedule is better than the past few years 
schedules and improvement is always important.

At least for those of us who are still fortunate or willing to make the trip to 
Muncie.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I certainly hope you are not doing this on company time!!
 
 Troublemaker.
 
 John Diniz wrote:
  Again this Nat's thing is being held in the MID-WEST!!! Gosh Dernnit
  I ain't gonna fly it until it's on the west coast. You know some of the
  best flyers are on the west coast so it really isn't a true National
  Championship unless it's on the west coast.
  
  Wait.. I live 3 hrs from the Nat's...
  
  Please disregard my previous statement.
  JD
 
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Re: [RCSE] DLGs = Bang for the Buck, NO WAY; Benchmarks- Get Real.

2007-12-02 Thread mrmaserati

Easy there girls. 

This whole thread is based on opinions, ideas, individule experiences etc, etc.

Although this current thread has become rather cumbersome due to it's length, 
it has sometimes been entertaining as well as informative. It has brought back 
some memories that go back, for me, to the late sixties and that has some added 
value.

Everyone has a right to their opinions and that includes you, me, JT and even 
Gordysoar.

Lets not get tense, let's just enjoy each others company via RCSE. I'm going to 
back to the drawing board and finish designing an electric indoor stretched 
Citabria for 3D practice at our local soccer dome.

Are we all calmed down now ?

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Classic... rather than admit you are wrong or defend your position you
 resort to pettiness...
 
 On Dec 2, 2007 4:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   So many opinions, so little of value...
 
  -- Original message from Michael Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  --
 
 
   I disagree with your analysis. We're not flying fruit so cost per
   ounce is irrelevant.
  
   Mike
  
  
   On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I have to disagree with Buzz regarding DLG being the best value. I
agree that DLG has made HL more accessible to all pilots due it the
ergonomics of launching them. But value, for that lets
take a step back and look at it from a distance.
   
When evaluated analytically, DLG is absolutely the worst value in
soaring today. Lets take the recent example of the $1000 Vandal
(all up ready to fly) that was snapped up off of RCSE recently. For
simplicity assume th at the plane weighs 10 oz all up. A simple
 
calculation yields $100/oz.
   
Now lets take a Supra at $2000 (all up: plane plus radio gear) at 65
oz. Same simple calculation yields $31/oz.
   
OK, next up on the list is an SBXC at $2500 (all up, plane plus
radio plus vario) at 176 oz.
Crank, crank, the calculator tells me $14.25/oz.
   
Getting the drift here? Now lets take Sagitta 900 at $350 (kit plus
gear) weighing 40 oz. Push the little beads on the abacus and what
comes out: $8.75/oz.
   
Disclaimer- this doesn't assign any value for building, enjoying,
etc. Then again, nobody really makes money out of the hobby, we all
do it for fun, no?
   
So, what is really more cost effective, soaring gold (DLG), or
history (Sagitta)?
   
On a kind of related topic, I've been having a great laugh about all
this benchmark garbage. What a bunch of subjective tripe. All I
really see is reminiscing about what gets an individual's attention
and represents progress to them.
   
I've been in the technology business for 40 years, and if I've
learned anything, true paradigms define themselves without any
help. By their very nature, the direction that technology goes
after the paradigm emerges will change because of the paradigm.
   
As my buddy Bubba would say, Y'all have a ball getting yer undies
twisted with this one.
   
Jim Thomas
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Classic... rather than admit you are wrong or defend your position you resort to pettiness...On Dec 2, 2007 4:37 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






So many opinions, so little of value...
-- Original message from Michael Whitman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: --  I disagree with your analysis. Were not flying fruit so cost per  ounce is irrelevant.   MikeOn Dec 2, 2007, at 11:22 AM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have to disagree with Buzz regarding DLG being the best value. I   agree that DLG has made HL more accessible to all pilots due it the 
  ergonomics of launching them. But value, for that lets   take a step back and look at it from a distance. When evaluated analytically, DLG is absolutely the worst value in 
  soaring today. Lets take the recent example of the $1000 Vandal   (all up ready to fly) that was snapped up off of RCSE recently. For   simplicity assume th
at the plane weighs 10 oz all up. A simple   calculation yields $100/oz. Now lets take a Supra at $2000 (all up: plane plus radio gear) at 65 
  oz. Same simple calculation yields $31/oz. OK, next up on the list is an SBXC at $2500 (all up, plane plus   radio plus vario) at 176 oz.   Crank, crank, the calculator tells me $14.25/oz. 
Getting the drift here? Now lets take Sagitta 900 at $350 (kit plus   gear) weighing 40 oz. Push the little beads on the abacus and what   comes out: $8.75/oz.   
  Disclaimer- this

[RCSE] Good Guy Warning.

2007-11-29 Thread mrmaserati

Another good guy to deal with is Smokin Joe.

I just received the Airtronics 92778 rx that he advertised on rcse as nib. 

It got here unscathed and as advertised, perfect condition. Way to go Joe.

And as for benchmarks how about the Super Cirrus and Nimbus Pro from Bob Belger 
and Ray Vanderdonk and the Astro Jeff from Jerry Mrlik which won the Soar Nats 
in 1973 in the hands of 13 year old Jeff Mrlik.

To continue with the Oly 99, the Grand Esprit from Airtronics and the pen of 
Lee Renaud. 

Regards, Dave Corven
  -- Original message --
From: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Airtronics Stylus Radio - $375.
 Includes 
 Glider Card
 Memory Card
 Airtronics radio case - not hobby shack case this one is the real deal.
 Red Anodized stick ends
 extra TX battery  
 Stylus glider card manual
 
 
 this radio looks almost new great Xmas gift I will throw in a extra Stylus RF 
 module no charge.
 
 
 
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Airtronics Stylus Radio - $375.
Includes 
Glider Card
Memory Card
Airtronics radio case - not hobby shack case this one is the real 
deal.
Red Anodized stick ends
extra TX battery
Stylus glider card manual


this radio looks almost newgreat Xmas gift I will throw in a extra 
Stylus RF module no charge.



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Re: [RCSE] Spektrum and 9303

2007-11-27 Thread mrmaserati

Why would the co ax be a problem, unless you used it to hang up the TX ?
Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Mike Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 9303 2.4 vs module will get you model match.  E.g. The model 
 configuration will be matched to the RX.   So you can't mismatch the 
 program with the model.
 
 9303 2.4 sends updates to the servos more frequently.  You might notice 
 this as faster response.  Some pilots have added some additional 
 exponential to deal with the improvements in response time in the entire 
 pilot / radio / model control loop.
 
 You can transfer programs from the stock 9303 to the 9303 2.4.  They 
 will copy from TX to TX.
 
 You won't be able to use your old 72 MHz stuff with a 9303 2.4
 
 You don't have to worry about the coax wire on the 9303 2.4.
 
 
 dharban wrote:
 
 I'm sure its been discussed elsewhere, but can someone describe the
 differences in performance that you can expect with the JR 9303 2.4
 transmitter and a JR 9303 transmitter equipped with the Spektrum Module
 system.  (Both using the AR 9000)
 
 
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Re: [RCSE] WANTED Nice TD Ship

2007-11-24 Thread mrmaserati

Call Kennedy Composites and get a Supra.

Regards, Dave Corven
 -- Original message --
From: michael morjoseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I am looking for a good T.D. Ship for Next Season Open Class Ship
 must be a good TD Ship that can range out and land on a dime
 If you have such a Secret Weapon send me a email too..
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 Please replie to there 
 Also the Cell Number is 714 356 3066
 I have some money burning a hole in my pocket!!!
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 about 130 Span should do the Trick..
 
 
   
 
 
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[RCSE] MSL list

2007-11-22 Thread mrmaserati

Cal, my 3 cents, taking inflation in consideration.

Any discussion on the health of R/C soaring should be welcome anywhere at any 
time. 

R/C soaring certainly has a lot of competition from other sources of 
entertainment and as Richard Burnoski just mentioned the cost of traveling away 
to a contest has become a larger burden in recent years.

This current thread started by Mr. Woodcrafter, Ray Hayes, has generated some 
needed conversation on things to do to help bolster the turnout at contests 
whether they be a seeded MOM, an open winch, random callup or ???.

Otherwise, everyone have a happy thanksgiving.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] RE: Supra or Onyx JW

2007-11-17 Thread mrmaserati

Try a Super Ava, great for Res and Unlimited TD and very visable, read large 
and less $ than an all up TD ship by around 1/2.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I helped a guy do the final setup of a Shadow Thursday before Visalia.  His 
 first flght was Friday.  I timed for him Saturday and Sunday.  He is a good 
 pilot but has not had a lot of stick time in the last year +.  He finished 
 14th 
 with his new Shadow. 
 
 As impressive as the Shadow is I still want a 2.4 GH carbon lite Supra.  Is 
 it 
 $400.00 better?  IMHO Not for AMA TD.
 
 
  -- Original message --
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Hi Mike,
  
  The Supra and Onyx are totally different planes. If its just for California 
  conditions (AMA TD), the Onyx is fine. The Supra is a better plane if 
  you're 
  going to demand some degree of performance (usually not required for Calif 
  AMA 
  TD) and it comes at a price. If it were me, I'd seriously take a look at 
  the 
  Shadow. I'm not going to get into the details, but Tom Copp at Composite 
  Specialties will tell you more about it. He's pretty sharp at explaining 
  the 
  attributes of various models and matching them to a pilots abilities. Worth 
  a 
  call if 
  you're gonna spend that kind of money. www.f3x.com
  
  Ben Clerx
  
  Mike Clancy wrote:
  
  I'm shopping for a new TD ship.
  Have settled on either a Supra or an Onyx JW.
  California conditions. Bad left eye makes the Onyx a probable 
  choice--easier 
  to see.
  Also, which Supra??
  Comments appreciated.
  Mike Clancy
  
  
  **
   See what's new at 
  http://www.aol.com
 
 


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Hi Mike,

The Supra and Onyx are totally different planes. If its just for California conditions (AMA TD), the Onyx is fine. The Supra is a better plane if you're going to demand some degree of performance (usually not required for Calif AMA TD) and it comes at a price. If it were me, I'd seriously take a look at the Shadow. I'm not going to get into the details, but Tom Copp at Composite Specialties will tell you more about it. He's pretty sharp at explaining the attributes of various models and matching them to a pilots abilities. Worth a call if you're gonna spend that kind of money. www.f3x.com

Ben Clerx

Mike Clancy wrote:

I'm shopping for a new TD ship.
Have settled on either a Supra or an Onyx JW.
California conditions. Bad left eye makes the Onyx a probable choice--easier to see.
Also, which Supra??
Comments appreciated.
Mike Clancy** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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[RCSE] Very good supplier notice

2006-11-17 Thread mrmaserati

Got my Super Ava today and it was shipped in typical Kennedy Composites 
shipping style. Enclosed in a snowboard case and it arrived in perfect 
condition.

Thank you Karen and Barry.

First task for the Super Ava is to help me finish LSF Level five. I only have 
to do the cross country and the 2 hr to finish. The plan is to do these during 
the weeks before and after the Febuary contest in Phoenix, AZ.

Eat your heart out Gordy.

Regards, Dave Corven.   
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[RCSE] Pumpkin Fly 2007

2006-11-13 Thread mrmaserati

Congratulations to the Pumpkin Fly Team for weathering out Saturdays lousy 
weather (pun intended) and running 6 rounds on Sunday in less than perfect 
weather.

This was my first contest outside of our club contests in well over a year and 
the Cinci team made it all the better. 

Thanks also to Jack Iafret and Gordy, yes Gordy, for the help with launching, 
calling and timing.

Will be back next year for wood.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] Pumpkin Fly

2006-11-11 Thread mrmaserati

Soaring sat was actually a washout. After dinner Jack and I are flying electric 
choppers in the motel room. 

More fun than a sack full of wrestling bobcats.

Regards, Thinner D @ S.F.I.G
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Re: [RCSE] CSS Pumpkin Fly - Reminder

2006-11-07 Thread mrmaserati

Steve, what kind of weather conditions are forecast at Cinci this weekend ?

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Steve Siebenaler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 All,
 
  
 
 Just a reminder that it's not winter yet..  Come to Cincinnati this weekend
 (Saturday Nov. 11th and Sunday Nov. 12th), not to watch the Bungles, but to
 compete in the CSS annual Pumpkin Fly!!!  See you there
 
  
 
 http://www.cincinnatisoaring.org/Pumpkin_Fly_2006.htm 
 
  
 
 Steve Siebenaler
 
 CSS President
 
 www.cincinnatisoaring.org http://www.cincinnatisoaring.org/  
 
  
 


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All,



Just a reminder that its not winter yet.
Come to Cincinnati
this weekend (Saturday Nov. 11th and Sunday Nov. 12th),
not to watch the Bungles, but to compete in the CSS annual Pumpkin Fly!!! See
you there



http://www.cincinnatisoaring.org/Pumpkin_Fly_2006.htm




Steve Siebenaler

CSS President

www.cincinnatisoaring.org









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Re: [RCSE] LSF 8 hr task, where at?

2006-10-29 Thread mrmaserati

I did my 8 hr slope in the Grand Bend area north east from Sarnia, Canada. I 
was facing northwest into Lake Huron. Also in northwestern corner of the lower 
penninsula of Michigan are two great sites at Frankfort and the Sleeping bear 
Dunes, both facing west into Lake Michigan.

Regards, Dave Corven. 
 -- Original message --
From: clarence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Back in September of 2004 I did My 4 hour slope and was a witness for 
 Mark Howard's  level V with a 8 hour flight at our slope. we have the 
 lift almost everyday of the year.
 Go towww.soarutah.organd take a look at one of the best inland 
 slopes in the USA
 
 Clarence
 
 Raed Elazzawi wrote:
  I am working on LSF level II, I know I am a long ways away from level 
  IV, but I can't help wondering about the 8hr task. I am curious as to 
  where people are doing it at.
  Thanks
 
  Raed
  Orlando Buzzard
 
 
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[RCSE] Visalia

2006-10-13 Thread mrmaserati

It has been a week and I just wondered if I missed the results.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] Stylus TX Sold

2006-10-09 Thread mrmaserati

The Stylus TX has been sold. Thanks Ken.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] STYLUS TX FOR SALE.

2006-10-08 Thread mrmaserati

STILL AVAILABLE !!!

STYLUS TX and accessories.
 
Pristene condition with glider and memory cards, one module on Ch 28 and 
charger and at no extra charge, a George Steiner synthesized  tx module.
 
 All manuals and all original cartons are are included.
 
 $ 450.00, shipping conus included.
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Re: [RCSE] Airtronics Vision Manual

2006-10-04 Thread mrmaserati

I have an original paper manual you are welcome to. let me know.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 OK, OK, I know  its older technology but Im trying to make-due with what I 
 have as I dont fly as often as Id like. Does anyone have a Vision manual 
 thats collecting dust somewhere? PDF version? 

   I disabled (0%); flap-following-ailerons today and it screwed-up my launch 
 mode! Time to read the manual again.

   Thanks.Dan
 
   
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OK, OK, I know  its older technology but Im trying to make-due with what I have as I dont fly as often as Id like. Does anyone have a Vision manual thats collecting dust somewhere? PDF version? I disabled (0%); flap-following-ailerons today and it screwed-up my launch mode! Time to read the manual again.Thanks.Dan 
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[RCSE] Stylus TX FOR SALE

2006-10-02 Thread mrmaserati

STLUS TX and accessories.
Pristene condition with glider and memory cards, one module on Ch 28 and 
charger and  a Geo Steiner synthesized  tx module.

 All manuals and all original cartons are are included.
 
 $ 475.00 plus shipping.
 
 Please contact by e-mail or call at 248-515-2153.
 
 Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] For Sale -

2006-09-29 Thread mrmaserati

3 year old, max of 50 flights, mostly handlaunch.

Pristene condition with glider and memory cards, two modules, 22  28, charger, 
all manuals and all original cartons. Also available a Geo Steiner synthesized 
tx module.

$ 475.00 plus shipping.

Please contact by e-mail or call at 248-515-2153.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] Re: For Sale -

2006-09-29 Thread mrmaserati

OOPS, Really Big OOPS. Stylus TX. I'd like to say I was just checking to see if 
everyone was awake but I slipped up.
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 3 year old, max of 50 flights, mostly handlaunch.
 
 Pristene condition with glider and memory cards, two modules, 22  28, 
 charger, 
 all manuals and all original cartons. Also available a Geo Steiner 
 synthesized 
 tx module.
 
 $ 475.00 plus shipping.
 
 Please contact by e-mail or call at 248-515-2153.
 
 Regards, Dave Corven.


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[RCSE] Wayne Fredette

2006-09-27 Thread mrmaserati

Does anyone have Waynes e-mail address ?

Regards, Dave Corven. 
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Re: [RCSE] World Soaring Masters: Round Five

2006-09-24 Thread mrmaserati

Ben, your reports are the next best thing to being there. I can't but I will be 
next year. Thanks from your audience for your efforts.

Regards, Dave Corven, homebound but not much longer.
 -- Original message --
From: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 If you thought last round was a shake-up, just WAIT for Round Five 
 
 First, two line-breaks in a row, Larry Jolly and Mike Smith, I *think*.  
 Doug Pike says he saw Mike Smith pop, and I couldn't see the other, but 
 Larry came in very early on time.  Mike Smith got a relight because he 
 had an line break to spare (you are only allowed two all contest long).
 
 Arendt Borst - early, landing
 Jolly - early, landing
 Skip Miller - early, landing
 Burnoski - early, landing
 Daryl Perkins - landed early, clipped a car in the pits, slid down the 
 hood and landed nose first, top of the tail touching the hood!  The car 
 was not damaged at first glance, nor was the plane.
 
 And as I am typing this, Mike Smith just landed and buried the group, to 
 the applause of the group at hand!  He's switched to a white Sharon.
 
 ben wilson
 lass
 
 group six: just launching.
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Re: [RCSE] how high really

2006-08-26 Thread mrmaserati

I have been following this thread with some interest and would to contribute my 
two undervalued cents. 

First, SIZE does count.

Second, a number of years ago, Don Patterson and I were flying our Jerry 
Mirlk's designed AstroJeff's on a perfect day for high altitude flying. High 
clouds and some high haze to help visibility. The Jeff's sported an 11.00 root 
cord and a 12.00' wingspan. Both Jeff's were high enough that all we could see 
was a cross shape formed by the fuse and wing. The stabs had disappeared. Later 
after Don and I regained our senses and both got our AstroJeff's down on the 
ground one of our club members (his name escapes me) drove in to the Gdshs club 
field in Troy, MI. and told Don and I that he had circled our AstroJeffs at 
slightly above 5000' with his 1:1 Piper Cherokee. 
That would put our Jeffs at or above 4400' from us, since our club field was 
600' above sea level.

That sorta supports Jack Hiner's comments that the stabs on an AstroJeff 
disappear around 5000'.

Three, Size still counts I say.

Regards, Dave, I wish I was in Muncie this weekend, Corven. 
 -- Original message --
From: Randall Brust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 JAMES EALY wrote:is 
  
  The biggest problem with the cheapies is that they are not temperature 
  compensated, or VERY poorly so.
 
 There are 2 types of temperature dependance with respect to electronic 
 altimeters.
 
 The first is how temperature change affects the pressure sensor's ability to 
 convert pressure into voltage.  This relationship should be absolutely 
 constant 
 no matter what temperature the sensor is at, but in the real world this is 
 not 
 the case.  The current state of the art solid state sensors, however, do have 
 built in temperature compensation circuitry and do a pretty good job in 
 removing 
 this effect.  A large portion of the remaining temperature effect is also 
 cancelled out since the AGL altitude is computed by measuring absolute 
 altitude 
 in the air, measuring absolute altitude at ground level, and subtracting the 
 two 
 values.
 
 The second is how temperature affects the pressure to altitude algorithm that 
 all pressure based altimeters use to calculate altitude.  Altimeters measure 
 pressure, not altitude, so a model of the atmosphere is used which predicts 
 how 
 pressure varies with altiude.  This is an ideal model so it obviously cannot 
 match the real atmosphere at any time and any place on earth.  The models are 
 also based on an ideal sea level air temperature of 59F.  So, if you're not 
 flying at 59F, the model will be off.  There are algorithms to compensate for 
 this temperature effect and that's why our FlightView software allows you to 
 enter the temperature of the day you were flying.  It should be noted that 
 this 
 error can be quite large (like 5%-10%) if you are flying on a very hot or 
 very 
 cold day.  It should also be noted that on hot days, the altimeter will 
 actually 
 read low, so if you fly your non-temperature compensated altimeter on a 
 summer 
 day and it says you were at 2000ft, you were probably higher.
 
 I'd also like to relate the following observation.  When we were developing 
 the 
 RAM altimeters, we were flying them in 1.5m discus launch gliders and taking 
 them pretty high.  The plots showed that we were getting to around 2000ft.  
 We 
 initially didn't believe this so we measured out 2000ft at the flying field 
 and 
 one of us held up a glider while the other observed it from 2000ft away.  It 
 was 
 definitely flyable at that distance and looked about right compared to what 
 we 
 saw in the air.
 
 It is also very important to understand how important the conditions are when 
 flying at altitude.  Contrary to what many believe, the worst type of 
 conditions 
 is a clear dark blue sky.  The best is a clear sky with nice dense cumulus 
 clouds.  If you get a cloud behind your glider, you can see it twice as high 
 as 
 you can with blue sky behind it.  Just don't fly out from in front of the 
 cloud 
 or Poof!  it will be gone.  :-)
 
 Randy
 Soaring Circuits
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Re: [RCSE] S-AVA

2006-08-11 Thread mrmaserati

Harry, it appears that if you make two spoilers, center area fixed, the you can 
use full spoiler travel without blocking the elevator and the spoilers may also 
act like an airbrake for even slower landing approaches. Ask Iafret how his 
works. 

Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Guy's
 
 The link bellow is to the WMSS club site where Dennis Hoyles wife Jean's
 pictures are. Jean did a excellent job.
 Everything went well last night from the test toss to the flights after. The
 Spoiler is extremely effective and needs very little travel, the approach to
 the spot predictable and steady, no RES wobble. This weekend will be my
 first contest with the S-AVA and I'm sure it will not dissapoint!
 
 All I can say is WOW what a floater, I can't wait to get her ballasted up
 and see what she can do for speed. This thing is HUGE and nimble two words I
 never thought could occupy the same plane but the S-AVA is an anomaly a
 freak that I'm glad to own!!
 
 Harry
 
 http://www.rcsoaring.org/images/harrysAva/index.htm
 
 



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Guy's

The link bellow is to the WMSS club site 
where Dennis Hoyles wife Jean's pictures are. Jean did a excellent 
job.
Everything went well last night from the 
test toss to the flights after. The Spoiler is extremely effective and needs 
very little travel, the approach to the spot predictable and steady, no RES 
wobble. This weekend will be my first contest with the S-AVA and I'm sure it 
will not dissapoint!

All I can say is WOW what a floater, I can't 
wait to get her ballasted up and see what she can do for speed. This thing is 
HUGE and nimble two words I never thought could occupy the same plane but the 
S-AVA is an anomaly a freak that I'm glad to own!!

Harry


http://www.rcsoaring.org/images/harrysAva/index.htm

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Re: [RCSE] Supra Servo Question - yes

2006-08-11 Thread mrmaserati

Hey Don and Pat, my #16 Supra (standard construction) would not accept the 
94761(12 mm) servos for the ailerons as they are too thick and protude below 
the outside of the skin at the rear of of the servo opening. I used Volz Wing 
Max (10 mm) for the ailerons. I have again looked at using the 94761 for 
ailerons on my # 81 Supra (carbon) and the result is the same. the 94761 is 
still thicker than the aileron opening by about 2.5 mm. Guess I'll use the wing 
max again. 
Comments ?

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 In a message dated 8/10/06 5:57:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 Can  anyone tell me if the Airtronics 94761 Wing Servos will fit for the 
 Ailerons  on a Supra?
 
 
 
 
 I have them in mine.  They fit nicely
  
 Don  Richmond
 San Diego,  CA
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.hilaunch.com



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In a message dated 8/10/06 5:57:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can 
  anyone tell me if the Airtronics 94761 Wing Servos will fit for the Ailerons 
  on a Supra?

I have them in mine. They fit nicely

Don 
RichmondSan Diego, 
CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.hilaunch.com
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[RCSE] F3J Worlds

2006-08-07 Thread mrmaserati

It's my turn. Our entire team, Juniors, Seniors and the support group have done 
the US soaring community proud. It's clear they never gave up.

Congrats to our group!!!

Regards. Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] For Sale

2006-08-06 Thread mrmaserati

I have two matching BS F3B winches for sale with six drums and at least 12 to 
15 spools of mono. Turn arounds included. Very good conditon.

Call or e-mail for details.

Dave Corven, 586-781-2865, home, 248-515-2153.
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[RCSE] Wanted

2006-08-06 Thread mrmaserati

Looking for a LH outer panel for an AVA. Red is prefered, any color ok. 

Contact Dave Corven, E-mail or call 586-781-2865 hm or 248-515-2153 cell.
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[RCSE] 2006 F3B Team Select

2006-07-27 Thread mrmaserati


I am resending this message with Phil's correct e-mail address and a few other 
changes.

To F3B Team Selection entrants and possible new entrants,

Please send your names and primary frequency choice with two backups to: 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] as Phil has graciously offered to construct the flight 
matrix for team select this coming aug 23rd through the 27th.

Please note that all aircraft frequencies are available for this event. 
Frequency assignments are based on first come, first served.

I suggest that you should have your frequency choice sent to Phil by August 
15th, 2006 to allow Phil enough time to construct the matrix and get it 
distibuted to Jack Iafret, myself and our scoring guru, as yet unnamed 
officially. 

As usual, please be prepared to change your frequency as an occasional conflict 
may surface and the CD may ask for help in this. 

I have two industrial strength photo tripods with the aluminum blocks that 
support the sighting wires that I will ask Jack to bring to Muncie for sighting 
at base A  B. Some of you have seen these before and they are much easier to 
use than the current strings and poles. Jack will bring these with him

Also, there is a serious need, as usual, for field support. Base A  B and 
other 
very important jobs on sight for the effective operation of this event so we 
can 
again provide a top notch team representing the US.

I can't be there this year to help pull the herd ,as I had planned, so I 
am looking to the soaring community step up to the pump and support this very 
important event.

If you read this while you are at the Soaring Nats, and want to sign up as a 
worker, please see Marc Gellart and he will be more than glad to take your name 
and probably get you lined up with some assignments.  

Regards, Dave Corven.

 
 
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[RCSE] 2006 F3B Team Select

2006-07-25 Thread mrmaserati

To F3B Team Selection entrants and possible new entrants,

Please send your names and primary frequency choice to: 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] as Phil has graciously offered to construct the flight 
matrix for team select this coming aug 23rd through the 27th.

I suggest that you should have your frequency choice sent to Phil by August 
15th, 2006 to allow Phil enough time to construct the matrix and get it 
distibuted to Jack Iafret, myself and our scoring guru, as yet unnamed 
officially. 

As usual, please be prepared to change your frequency as an occaisional 
conflict may surface and the CD may ask for help in this. 

I have two industrial strength photo tripods with the aluminum blocks that 
support the sighting wires that I will ask Jack to bring to Muncie for sighting 
at base A  B. Some of you have seen these before and they are much easier to 
use than the current strings and poles. Jack?

Also, there is a serious need, as usual, for field support. Base A  B and 
other very important jobs on sight for the effective operation of this event so 
we can again provide a top notch team representing the US.

I can't be there this year to help pull the herd together as I had planned so I 
am looking to the soaring community step up to the pump and support this very 
important event.

If you read this while you are at the Soaring Nats, and want to sign up as a 
worker, please see Marc Gellart and he will be more than glad to take your name 
and probably get you lined up some assignments.  

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] FOR SALE

2006-07-14 Thread mrmaserati

These were to be my F3B planes this summer but due to unforseen circumstanses, 
F3B and me are not going to cross paths this cycle.

1) Graphite 2, all molded, white tops, lavender bottoms. approx 15 flights.
 Pristeen condition. Ready to fly. JR pcm rx, JR digital servos. put in  
 your crystal and fly. MH 32 airfoil.
 $1350.00 + shipping.

2) Graphite 2, all molded carbon structure, White tops, lavender
 
bottoms, BRAND NEW  ready to fly. JR pcm rx, JR digital servos. Install
  
your crystal and fly. MH 32 airfoil.
$1450.00 + shipping.

3) Two BS F3B winches with 3 extra drums at least 12 spools of mono.
   
 One ready to go  other needs solenoids and resistor installed. Both   
 
 in excellent condition.
 $1400.00 + shipping.

All could be picked up at the Nats from Jack Iafret as I cannot travel but must 
be purchased before I can ask Jack to carry to Muncie. Or pick up from me in 
Washington, MI. and save $200 extra by purchasing the lot.

Also Jack is looking a left wing for a Muller Elipse 4, yellow over blue 
prefered
but any color is ok. Connect jack at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am looking for a left tip panel for an AVA, red preferred any color ok.

Regards, Dave Corven.
   586-781-2865 hm
   248-515-2153 cell
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[RCSE] Marc Gellart

2006-07-08 Thread mrmaserati

Marc,

Please call me at home 586-781-2865 or cell 248-515-2153 tomorrow if you have a 
few minutes.

Regards, Dave Corven.


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[RCSE] F3B Team Selections

2006-05-27 Thread mrmaserati

To all interested F3B pilots and of course other interested R/C pilots.

AMA has finally approved the August 23rd thru the 27th for F3B Team Select to 
be flown at AMA Headquarters,  Muncie, IN.

Within a few days AMA will publish entry requirements to all who have 
participated in the last two cycles. Anyone who has not been in the last two 
cycles May call Lisa Johnson at AMA, 1-765-287-1256, or e-mail [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] to obtain this info.

Likewise I will soon publish the adgenda and other pertainent information 
required to assist those of you interested participating.

Also anyone that can volunteer to help on site, please contact me directly. I 
have two, possibly three individules who can help but we need more. 

Regards, Dave Corven
   AMA 878, LSF 254 and current AMA Leader Member.
   248-512-8682 days, 586-781-2865 home, 248-515-2153 cell.
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[RCSE] Good guy/supplier awards

2006-05-17 Thread mrmaserati

Barry and Karen Kennedy with a two day turn around on parts for my 2nd Supra, 
#81.
Guess I'll have to get cranking on #81 cause I got both my Nats and Masters 
confirmations all in one day.

And just in case any of the Supra builders are interested, open up the opening 
on the top of the pylon forward 17.5 mm and wider by 2.00 mm. Remove the 
retaining features from the Molex connector. Place the opening in the bottom of 
the center panel 21.00 mm forward of the rear hold down bolt.

Now with a short pigtail out of the fuse side of the harness and also a short 
pigtail from the center panel side of the harness and you have a simple, clean 
way to connect the harness and room in the larger opening for the excess wire 
to be tucked into without pinching the wires and all this with a removable 
ballast tube.

Have a great summer guys.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] Supra wiring harness/ballast tube ?

2006-05-16 Thread mrmaserati

Dave, 
For someone who claims to be able to fly F3B without team help, I'm sure you 
should be able to solve this minor irritation without outside help as well.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 hi,
 what are you guys doing with the Molex connector on the Hoopes 
 harnness when you plug the wing in, when using a ballast tube ?
 
 are you folding the wires over and laying the plug in the fuse, or
 opening up the hole in the wing and tuck the plug up in there ??
 
 Dave Hauch
 www.git-r-built.com
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Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring Masters confirmation

2006-05-15 Thread mrmaserati

Gordy, that confirmation looks like it came from the same source that the #1 
Canopy Supra came from. Hey ?
The dim you asked for is 8.24, canopy split line to back side of tow hook.

Regards, Dave.
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 This is to inform you that your  entry into the World Soaring Masters has 
 been accepted.  Your primary  channel is CH ___40__.  Please keep in mind 
 that 
 if 
 you qualify for the  fly-off you may be required to switch to a back-up  
 frequency. 
 Looks like I'm in  :-)
 Gordy



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This is to inform you that your 
entry into the World Soaring Masters has been accepted. Your primary 
channel is CH ___40__. Please keep in mind that if you qualify for the 
fly-off you may be required to switch to a back-up 
frequency.
Looks like I'm in 
:-)Gordy
---End Message---

[RCSE] F3B Team Selection

2006-05-09 Thread mrmaserati

To all interested parties:

I am planning this years F3B Team Selection Event for Aug 23rd through Aug 
27th, 2006. Please understand that these dates are tentative as final approval 
of the sanction application is not complete but should be finalized on or 
before the end of May.

If every thing goes as planned, the Team Selection will be held on the above 
mentioned dates at the AMA Headquarters Site, Muncie, Indiana.

August 23rd and the 24th will be used for practice and winches will be checked 
on the 24th only. August 25th, 26th and 27th are the actual event days.

The purpose of this notice is to allow potential entrants to start thinking 
about their vacation and travel time arrangements. Please contact me by e-mail 
or phone (248-515-2153) cell, with your primary and backup frequency 
capabilities. Also will you require rental winch batteries and how many.

Also we will be looking for a group of dedicated volunteers to work on the site 
for a minimum of the three contest days and some to help out on the second 
practice day. These are most important people as without them the event becomes 
very difficult to manage. 

Please contact me if you think you can support our team select process in any 
way, shape or form.

More information will be posted on this forum as it becomes available.  

Regards, Dave Corven. AMA 878, LSF 254.
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Re: [RCSE] Soaring Nats Entries

2006-05-03 Thread mrmaserati

If you were to exchange Res with Two Meter on the schedule, Two Meter entries 
would drop off faster than you could bat your big baby blues.
Unfortunately it would be the death of Two Meter at the Soaring Nats.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Interesting numbers from the LSF-NATS Entry pages.
 
 Unlimited entries = 62
 
 RES entries = 52
 
 
 2M entries = 40  (65% of UNL, 77% of RES)
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RE: [RCSE] Soaring Nats Entries

2006-05-03 Thread mrmaserati

Don't ask me, ask the people at the planning meeting in the fall. I do know 
that historically the majority of F3B entrants send their entries right at the 
end of the registration window. Also because F3B is an FAI event, AMA will 
always try to include it and F3J at the Soaring Nats.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 and the last time more then one of us would attend to the Nat's, let's get
 rid of F3B. Then you could have four day's of unlimited! Why not just have
 unlimited?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:05 PM
 To: Bill's Email; RCSE Soaring Exchange
 Subject: Re: [RCSE] Soaring Nats Entries
 
 
 If you were to exchange Res with Two Meter on the schedule, Two Meter
 entries would drop off faster than you could bat your big baby blues.
 Unfortunately it would be the death of Two Meter at the Soaring Nats.
 
 Regards, Dave Corven.
  -- Original message --
 From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Interesting numbers from the LSF-NATS Entry pages.
 
  Unlimited entries = 62
 
  RES entries = 52
 
 
  2M entries = 40  (65% of UNL, 77% of RES)
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Re: [RCSE] Master B of Soaring Registration,Mine is PM'd 12:01, You?

2006-05-01 Thread mrmaserati

Gordy, I believe postmark time is not the bottom line, when it gets to McCarthy 
is the bottomn line. Check me out on this.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Anyone beat my postmark time?
 Gordy



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Anyone beat my postmark time?
Gordy
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[RCSE] World Soaring Masters and Jo G.

2006-05-01 Thread mrmaserati

Gordy, any truth to the rumor that you have sold your Pikes so you can sponser 
Jo's trip, housing and all his required liquid refreshment ? 

If true, does that mean you will fly your new Super Ava ? I suppose that could 
also mean no sun in Muncie that weekend.

Comments Gordy.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] Airtronics RX info required.

2006-04-29 Thread mrmaserati

Can someone provide the channel order for the 92785 Airtronics RX. I am setting 
this RX to be driven by a JR 9303 in a Hanger 9 P-51 electric conversion.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] Airtronics RX info required.

2006-04-29 Thread mrmaserati

Ben and all the rest of you that answered my question, this has been an 
interesting puzzle. 
My trial and error tests have resulted with the followng:

Ch 1 nothing
CH 2 Rt Aileron
Ch 3 Elevator
Ch 4 Throttle
CH 5 nothing
Ch 6 Lt Aileron
Ch 7 Rudder
Ch 8 nothing

Since I don't have flaps on this P-51 I haven't looked for that functionality. 
More work required.

Thanks everyone, Dave Corven. 
 -- Original message --
From: Ben Hocker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Based on my trial-and-error experiments, I think you will find the 
 following sequence for the outputs from the Airt 82785 using the JR 9303 
 xmitter:
 
 Airtronics output
 Ch 1   R Flap
 Ch 2   R Aileron
 Ch 3   Elevator
 Ch 4   L Aileron
 Ch 5   Spoiler/Throttle
 Ch 6   L Flap
 Ch 7   Rudder
 
 Double check these to be sure, but I think they are correct.
 
 -Ben
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Can someone provide the channel order for the 92785 Airtronics RX. I am 
 setting 
 this RX to be driven by a JR 9303 in a Hanger 9 P-51 electric conversion.
 
 Regards, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] Byron Blakesly

2006-04-27 Thread mrmaserati

Byron, will you ping me off line.

TIA, Dave Corven.
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[RCSE] Supra #16.

2006-04-15 Thread mrmaserati

Well gang, finally after a long winter here in Michigan The Supra #16 flew 
today and fly it did.

At 65 oz it launches as if it were on rails, zooms without hesitation, 
excellent speed range and lands where you want it to land with out complaint.

The air today was gusty and bumpy but #16 flew as though it were smooth and 
calm.

Barry, this is the a great sailplane that you, Dr Drela and Vladimir have put 
together and I can hardly wait to get some more time on it as the weather 
improves here in Michigan. 

For those of you who don't have one yet don't wait to order as the list is 
bound to get longer.

 As Gordy would say, wait and wail.

Regards, Dave Corven.
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Re: [RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters....

2006-04-12 Thread mrmaserati

You have got to be kidding. If I can't count on my own post office to get my 
letter post marked when I send it on 5-1-2006 then we'd better find another way 
to deal with this or not do it at all.

Regards, I hope, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Guaranteed World Soaring Masters Acceptance
 
 For any LSF members outside of the 60013 zip code you can send your 
 entry form to me and I will guarantee  it is mailed at the Post 
 Office for 60013 zip code on 5/1/2006.
 
 A small handling fee will apply.
 
 Ping me off line.
 
 
 Steve Meyer
 SOAR
 LSF IV
 
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[RCSE] Re: Post on RCSE

2006-04-12 Thread mrmaserati

My initial impression was that the first come, first served was decided by the 
earliest postmarks but now upon reading the fine print on the entry form, it is 
clear that the first to arrive at Mr. McCarthy's door is the winner, so to 
speak.

My, my, Steve is going to be a busy fella come 5-1-2006.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: bruce and sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Re the post by Steve Meyer offering to mail Soaring Masters entries from his 
 zip 
 code.  Since McCarthy is in same zip code as Steve, any entries mailed within 
 that zip code will be delivered maybe even that day--May 1---since they 
 wouldn't 
 have the travel time that others mailed from other zip codes would.  Since 
 they 
 are using a first come first served scheme, that places those entries he 
 mails 
 in the certain category.
 
 I agree that maybe there should be a better way, but every other way would 
 probably have it's drawbacks.  Guess you could close entries as of a certain 
 date and have a lottery type scheme.
 
 Bruce HeriderLSF 5778
 
 Long time DARTS member-one win and a goal and return short of Level V
 
 PS  I check RCSE on yahoo groups but don't subscribe



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Re the post by Steve Meyer offering to mail Soaring 
Masters entries from his zip code. Since McCarthy is in same zip code as 
Steve, any entries mailed within that zip code will be delivered maybe even that 
day--May 1---since they wouldn't have the travel time that others mailed from 
other zip codeswould. Since they are using a first come first served 
scheme, that places those entries he mailsin the "certain" 
category.

I agree that maybe there should be a better way, 
but everyother way wouldprobably have it's 
drawbacks.Guess you could close entries as of a certain date and 
have a lottery type scheme.

Bruce HeriderLSF 5778

Long time DARTS member-one win and a goal and 
return short of Level V

PS I check RCSE on yahoo groups but don't 
subscribe
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RE: [RCSE] Kennedy Composites At the Toledo Show

Cliff, there was a lot of discussion recently on the exchange about this new 
digital incidence meter but I did not keep a record of the source. I'll bet 
when this note hits the exchange there will be a reply for you to work with.

Regards, Dave Corven.
 -- Original message --
From: Cliff E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I there a web site where I can look at the digital incidence meter?
 Thanks,
 Cliff Lindgren
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:06 PM
 To: soaring@airage.com
 Subject: [RCSE] Kennedy Composites At the Toledo Show
 
 To all Sailplane and Electric Sailplane Mavens:
 
 Barry and Karen are on the road from Texas to Toledo as you read this and
 will be returning to Texas on the wednsday after this weekend to take care
 of the customers waiting for them to return home.
 
 Plan on stopping at the Kennedy Composites booth at Toledo to look at all of
 the standard sailplane items that Karen and Barry have been supplying that
 you already expect including Volz servos, Avas, Super Avas, and all molded
 Graphite 2's.
 
 Barry will have a sale on Blasters and will also show the Photon II. He also
 has a new 1.8 m speed 400 F5J electric sailplane. 
 
 The new Picolario with GPS and the digital incidence meter that was the
 center of attention on this exchange recently will be on display.
 
 Also raffle tickets for a new Supra donated by Barry and Karen to support
 the USA F3J team and F3J shirts will be available at the Kennedy Composites
 booth. Jack Iafret, Bob Burson and I will be supporting the Kennedy's at
 their booth. 
 
 You'all come on down to Toledo and visit the Kennedy Booth.
 
 Regards, Dave Corven
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[RCSE] The Toledo Show

I am looking for some one to share a motel room at Toledo this weekend.

Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights. Off site so as to keep costs in line.

Contact this evening or tomorrow am off line or 248-515-2153 cell.

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FW: [RCSE] Legionair For Sale

MAJOR PRICE REDUCTION !!! Plans have Changed.
 
Price reduced to $450.00.

See me at Kennedy Composites booth or call my cell, 248-515-2153.

 Original  144 w/s Legionair for sale. Flown only at the 2004 Soaring Nats. 
 New 
 Hitec 555 RX, JR 3321 on rudder and elevator, GWS micro's on spoilers. 
 
 White on top, red on bottom and transprent yellow open areas and tail 
 feathers. 
 
 No crashes, great shape and can be seen and picked up at the Toledo Show.
 
 $450.00 plus shipping.
 
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FW: [RCSE] The Toledo Show

The room for Toledo has been solved. I'll see you'all there tomorrow afternoon.

Regards, Dave Corven. 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: soaring@airage.com 
Subject: [RCSE] The Toledo Show
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:55:25 +
 I am looking for some one to share a motel room at Toledo this weekend.

 Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights. Off site so as to keep costs in line.

 Contact this evening or tomorrow am off line or 248-515-2153 cell.

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[RCSE] For Sale - RX's

The 2 JR R600's and the Hitecc 555 are also sold pending reciept of funds.

The Super Slim is sold pending reciept of funds.

I have several RX's that I am not using so maybe some one can make use of them.

1) JR R600, 2 available, $38.00 ea or $68.00 for both. No crystals available.

2) Hitec Superslim, $45.00

3) Hitec Micro 555, $35.00

4) Airtronics 92765 6/7 ch (old style connectors) $45.00. Ch 27

5) Airtronics 92745 4 ch 2 available (old style connectors) $32.00 ea or both 
for $55.00. Ch 27

6) Hitec crystals, Ch 12, 22, 25,27, 28(2), 29(2),32,42,51(2) all for $48.00.

All of the above for $230.00 shipped conus.

Otherwise shipping is extra for each line item. 

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[RCSE] Kennedy Composites At the Toledo Show

To all Sailplane and Electric Sailplane Mavens:

Barry and Karen are on the road from Texas to Toledo as you read this and will 
be returning to Texas on the wednsday after this weekend to take care of the 
customers waiting for them to return home.

Plan on stopping at the Kennedy Composites booth at Toledo to look at all of 
the standard sailplane items that Karen and Barry have been supplying that you 
already expect including Volz servos, Avas, Super Avas, and all molded Graphite 
2's.

Barry will have a sale on Blasters and will also show the Photon II. He also 
has a new 1.8 m speed 400 F5J electric sailplane. 

The new Picolario with GPS and the digital incidence meter that was the center 
of attention on this exchange recently will be on display.

Also raffle tickets for a new Supra donated by Barry and Karen to support the 
USA F3J team and F3J shirts will be available at the Kennedy Composites booth. 
Jack Iafret, Bob Burson and I will be supporting the Kennedy's at their booth. 

You'all come on down to Toledo and visit the Kennedy Booth.

Regards, Dave Corven
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[RCSE] Kennedy Composites At the Toledo Show

OOOPPS !!

I forgot to mention the SUPRA's will also be on display at the Kennedy 
Composites booth.

Shame on me for forgetting the SUPRA.

Regards, Dave Corven
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