Re: Friday Flashback #133
Hey! I shower daily... probably one of the freshest smelling wookies you'll ever meet! On Aug 27, 2013 1:17 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: The other Eric, the one that looks and smells like a short wet Wookie. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Eric Deren eric_l...@dzignlight.comwrote: Eric, this is all your fault. Did I not CLEARLY state that I didn’t want this to turn into a political conversation? :P -Eric -Original Message- From: Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:06 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Eric, this is all your fault. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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behold... Godwins Law! this list has been reasonably unaffected so far – but a serious infection seems to have caught on today. From: Xavier Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:25 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Eric in Action: http://bit.ly/1fggcCa
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Xavier lapointe.xav...@gmail.com wrote: Eric in Action: http://bit.ly/1fggcCa Great. A wookie on a giant squirrel. *Thanks Obama.*
Re: Friday Flashback #133
Standard issue NSA transportation and uniform.. Eric Thivierge === Character TD / RnD Hybride Technologies On August-27-13 10:05:41 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Xavier lapointe.xav...@gmail.com mailto:lapointe.xav...@gmail.com wrote: Eric in Action: http://bit.ly/1fggcCa Great. A wookie on a giant squirrel. /Thanks Obama./
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It's spelled J-e-s-u-s, but it's actually pronounced Throat Warbler Mangrove. Eric (Non-Wookie) On Aug 27, 2013 12:31 AM, Benjamin Paschke ben.pasc...@rsp.com.au wrote: On 27/08/13 13:56, Eric Lampi wrote: Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! I'm pretty sure mentioning Jesus isn't going to help matters .. Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
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Someone misunderstood. They thought you said poly tech conversation.. -- Joey Ponthieux LaRC Information Technology Enhanced Services (LITES) Mymic Technical Services NASA Langley Research Center __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Deren Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:45 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Eric, this is all your fault. Did I not CLEARLY state that I didn’t want this to turn into a political conversation? :P -Eric -Original Message- From: Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:06 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Eric, this is all your fault.
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haha. Are you talking about Senator Throat Warbler Mangrove? On 28/08/13 00:17, Eric Lampi wrote: It's spelled J-e-s-u-s, but it's actually pronounced Throat Warbler Mangrove. Eric (Non-Wookie) On Aug 27, 2013 12:31 AM, Benjamin Paschke ben.pasc...@rsp.com.au mailto:ben.pasc...@rsp.com.au wrote: On 27/08/13 13:56, Eric Lampi wrote: Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! I'm pretty sure mentioning Jesus isn't going to help matters .. Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net mailto:sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
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Thx Alan, I knew about the render region, and I'm not surprised of the toon and quick stretch ones either. What I really wonder is: how could any developer these days write commercial software and hope not to infringe any patents by accident? It's a total minefield, let alone financially prohibitive due to cost of patent research. Heck, I hear even the progress bar is, or was until recently, patented! It's coming to a point where it's getting impossible for small companies and individuals to develop anything commercially. And that's not a problem in a land far far away. It already affects my daily work, as illustrated by the lack of decent hair modeling solutions for Soft other than that Shave version from stone age. Peregin's Yeti cannot be sold in America due to legal dispute with Joe Alter, and I believe that other hair mesh modeling tech is also Patented by Cem Yuksel (Hair Farm), and I doubt he has plans to port it to Softimage himself. Patents are to protect those who take risks and invest in research and development, I understand that, but I feel it's getting to a point where it does more harm than good. They simply remain effective for too long, anything longer than 5 years is a lifetime in software development. All one can do is either not write software or just don't give a fuck, close his eyes and push forward in hope that nobody sues his ass off. Did I miss anything? Softimage has a bunch of patents actually. Render region: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=1k8EEBAJzoom=4dq=avid%20technology%20renderpg=PA12#v=onepageqf=false XSI's QuickStretch deformer: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=NxcgEBAJzoom=4dq=softimagepg=PA2#v=onepageqf=false There's a few more, including one for toon shading: https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=inassignee:%22Softimage%22 Oh, and Avid appears to have a patent on editing f-curves in 2D space: https://www.google.com/patents/WO263847A1?cl=endq=avid+softimagehl=ensa=Xei=a4cTUrOxC46g4AP7p4HYCAved=0CDQQ6AEwAA On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.comwrote: (http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html ) What? The XSI Property Editor is actually patented? On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Christoph Muetze c...@glarestudios.de wrote: ...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. No, he only did the look and skin of the UI. In an interview on xsibase, it was implied he did ui design but this is wrong, it was only graphic design. For the functional design, we had at many people in the early days who designed that. They were called Program Managers, which is how that job was called at Microsoft in the 1990s, but in this decade we'd call them interaction designers. For example, one person from Softimage|DS called Michael Sheasby (http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html) is responsible for all the modeless inspector design, i.e. everything about how the PPGs work, without which XSI wouldn't feel like XSI. There were different people for each areas. -- --**--- Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at --**--- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are-- -- confidential and for the recipient only -- -- - Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at - keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are-- -- confidential and for the recipient only --
Re: Friday Flashback #133
Don't worry, most of these patents and there children will have expired by the year 2025. only about twelve years to go! Le 2013-08-26 05:47, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com a écrit : Thx Alan, I knew about the render region, and I'm not surprised of the toon and quick stretch ones either. What I really wonder is: how could any developer these days write commercial software and hope not to infringe any patents by accident? It's a total minefield, let alone financially prohibitive due to cost of patent research. Heck, I hear even the progress bar is, or was until recently, patented! It's coming to a point where it's getting impossible for small companies and individuals to develop anything commercially. And that's not a problem in a land far far away. It already affects my daily work, as illustrated by the lack of decent hair modeling solutions for Soft other than that Shave version from stone age. Peregin's Yeti cannot be sold in America due to legal dispute with Joe Alter, and I believe that other hair mesh modeling tech is also Patented by Cem Yuksel (Hair Farm), and I doubt he has plans to port it to Softimage himself. Patents are to protect those who take risks and invest in research and development, I understand that, but I feel it's getting to a point where it does more harm than good. They simply remain effective for too long, anything longer than 5 years is a lifetime in software development. All one can do is either not write software or just don't give a fuck, close his eyes and push forward in hope that nobody sues his ass off. Did I miss anything? Softimage has a bunch of patents actually. Render region: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=1k8EEBAJzoom=4dq=**avid%20technology%20renderpg=** PA12#v=onepageqf=false XSI's QuickStretch deformer: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=NxcgEBAJzoom=4dq=**softimagepg=PA2#v=onepageq**f=false There's a few more, including one for toon shading: https://www.google.com/search?**tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=** inassignee:%22Softimage%22https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=inassignee:%22Softimage%22 Oh, and Avid appears to have a patent on editing f-curves in 2D space: https://www.google.com/**patents/WO263847A1?cl=en** dq=avid+softimagehl=ensa=X**ei=a4cTUrOxC46g4AP7p4HYCAved=** 0CDQQ6AEwAAhttps://www.google.com/patents/WO263847A1?cl=endq=avid+softimagehl=ensa=Xei=a4cTUrOxC46g4AP7p4HYCAved=0CDQQ6AEwAA On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com wrote: (http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**html http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html ) What? The XSI Property Editor is actually patented? On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Christoph Muetze c...@glarestudios.de wrote: ...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. No, he only did the look and skin of the UI. In an interview on xsibase, it was implied he did ui design but this is wrong, it was only graphic design. For the functional design, we had at many people in the early days who designed that. They were called Program Managers, which is how that job was called at Microsoft in the 1990s, but in this decade we'd call them interaction designers. For example, one person from Softimage|DS called Michael Sheasby (http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**html http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html ) is responsible for all the modeless inspector design, i.e. everything about how the PPGs work, without which XSI wouldn't feel like XSI. There were different people for each areas. -- ----- Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at ----- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are-- -- confidential and for the recipient only -- -- --**--- Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at --**--- keyvis digital imagery Alfred
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I'm going to file a patent for patenting... That'll show *them*!! :p On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: Don't worry, most of these patents and there children will have expired by the year 2025. only about twelve years to go! Le 2013-08-26 05:47, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com a écrit : Thx Alan, I knew about the render region, and I'm not surprised of the toon and quick stretch ones either. What I really wonder is: how could any developer these days write commercial software and hope not to infringe any patents by accident? It's a total minefield, let alone financially prohibitive due to cost of patent research. Heck, I hear even the progress bar is, or was until recently, patented! It's coming to a point where it's getting impossible for small companies and individuals to develop anything commercially. And that's not a problem in a land far far away. It already affects my daily work, as illustrated by the lack of decent hair modeling solutions for Soft other than that Shave version from stone age. Peregin's Yeti cannot be sold in America due to legal dispute with Joe Alter, and I believe that other hair mesh modeling tech is also Patented by Cem Yuksel (Hair Farm), and I doubt he has plans to port it to Softimage himself. Patents are to protect those who take risks and invest in research and development, I understand that, but I feel it's getting to a point where it does more harm than good. They simply remain effective for too long, anything longer than 5 years is a lifetime in software development. All one can do is either not write software or just don't give a fuck, close his eyes and push forward in hope that nobody sues his ass off. Did I miss anything? Softimage has a bunch of patents actually. Render region: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=1k8EEBAJzoom=4dq=**avid%20technology%20renderpg=** PA12#v=onepageqf=false XSI's QuickStretch deformer: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=NxcgEBAJzoom=4dq=**softimagepg=PA2#v=onepageq**f=false There's a few more, including one for toon shading: https://www.google.com/search?**tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=** inassignee:%22Softimage%22https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=inassignee:%22Softimage%22 Oh, and Avid appears to have a patent on editing f-curves in 2D space: https://www.google.com/**patents/WO263847A1?cl=en** dq=avid+softimagehl=ensa=X**ei=a4cTUrOxC46g4AP7p4HYCAved=** 0CDQQ6AEwAAhttps://www.google.com/patents/WO263847A1?cl=endq=avid+softimagehl=ensa=Xei=a4cTUrOxC46g4AP7p4HYCAved=0CDQQ6AEwAA On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com wrote: (http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**html http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html ) What? The XSI Property Editor is actually patented? On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Christoph Muetze c...@glarestudios.de wrote: ...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. No, he only did the look and skin of the UI. In an interview on xsibase, it was implied he did ui design but this is wrong, it was only graphic design. For the functional design, we had at many people in the early days who designed that. They were called Program Managers, which is how that job was called at Microsoft in the 1990s, but in this decade we'd call them interaction designers. For example, one person from Softimage|DS called Michael Sheasby (http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**html http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html ) is responsible for all the modeless inspector design, i.e. everything about how the PPGs work, without which XSI wouldn't feel like XSI. There were different people for each areas. -- ----- Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at ----- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are-- -- confidential and for the recipient only -- -- --**---
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Nah, Joe Alter already holds this... Am 26.08.2013 16:18, schrieb Alan Fregtman: I'm going to file a patent for patenting... That'll show /them/!! :p On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com mailto:luceri...@gmail.com wrote: Don't worry, most of these patents and there children will have expired by the year 2025. only about twelve years to go! Le 2013-08-26 05:47, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com mailto:s...@tidbit-images.com a écrit : Thx Alan, I knew about the render region, and I'm not surprised of the toon and quick stretch ones either. What I really wonder is: how could any developer these days write commercial software and hope not to infringe any patents by accident? It's a total minefield, let alone financially prohibitive due to cost of patent research. Heck, I hear even the progress bar is, or was until recently, patented! It's coming to a point where it's getting impossible for small companies and individuals to develop anything commercially. And that's not a problem in a land far far away. It already affects my daily work, as illustrated by the lack of decent hair modeling solutions for Soft other than that Shave version from stone age. Peregin's Yeti cannot be sold in America due to legal dispute with Joe Alter, and I believe that other hair mesh modeling tech is also Patented by Cem Yuksel (Hair Farm), and I doubt he has plans to port it to Softimage himself. Patents are to protect those who take risks and invest in research and development, I understand that, but I feel it's getting to a point where it does more harm than good. They simply remain effective for too long, anything longer than 5 years is a lifetime in software development. All one can do is either not write software or just don't give a fuck, close his eyes and push forward in hope that nobody sues his ass off. Did I miss anything? Softimage has a bunch of patents actually. Render region: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=1k8EEBAJzoom=4dq=avid%20technology%20renderpg=PA12#v=onepageqf=false XSI's QuickStretch deformer: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=NxcgEBAJzoom=4dq=softimagepg=PA2#v=onepageqf=false There's a few more, including one for toon shading: https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=inassignee:%22Softimage%22 Oh, and Avid appears to have a patent on editing f-curves in 2D space: https://www.google.com/patents/WO263847A1?cl=endq=avid+softimagehl=ensa=Xei=a4cTUrOxC46g4AP7p4HYCAved=0CDQQ6AEwAA On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com mailto:s...@tidbit-images.comwrote: (http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html ) What? The XSI Property Editor is actually patented? On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Christoph Muetze c...@glarestudios.de mailto:c...@glarestudios.de wrote: ...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. No, he only did the look and skin of the UI. In an interview on xsibase, it was implied he did ui design but this is wrong, it was only graphic design. For the functional design, we had at many people in the early days who designed that. They were called Program Managers, which is how that job was called at Microsoft in the 1990s, but in this decade we'd call them interaction designers. For example, one person from Softimage|DS called
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To add from what I read on the another list on which Joe responded about the Yeti situation, he offered to work something out with them but they straight up declined and now we have no access to it in North America (is that still the case?). One thing I dislike about Joe though is that he isn't continuing development on Shave or innovating in that space (that I know of). Basically holding a patent and enforcing it but not innovating with it. It's fair enough if he wants to do it, but that doesn't make me like him. I've never met him so I dislike him in a mild sense. Eric Thivierge === Character TD / RnD Hybride Technologies On August-26-13 11:33:49 AM, Eric Deren wrote: Nah, Joe Alter already holds this... I still have yet to figure out why folks unabashedly slam Joe. Yes, there are patent trolls and yes, there are serious problems with our patent system, but after evaluating the entire situation after the Yeti deal collapsed (which was unfortunate), it seems to me that, in general, Joe is the little guy that the best parts of our decrepit patent system support. Before the Yeti thing, his patent basically kept several large studios from outright stealing his work and giving him no compensation for it. Isn't that the ideal situation for patents? Protecting the little guy from the big conglomerate corporations? I don't want to turn this into a political discussion but this evil Joe Alter thread came up on a neighboring VFX list that Joe was actually on, and when he calmly presented his case it actually made a lot of sense. Yeti is an unfortunate causality to this situation, but this doesn't mean that Joe is a patent troll... I mean, he did the actual work and makes money from competing products based on that work. I'm all for open-source stuff and I think if someone wants to go down that route, more power to them. All of my released work has been released as such. But that doesn't mean that if someone wants the protection of the law for their creation they should be denied that. Methinks if his detractors actually held patents they would have a different opinion of him. My 0.02. -Eric -Original Message- From: Eugen Sares Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 10:23 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Nah, Joe Alter already holds this...
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Nah, Joe Alter already holds this... I still have yet to figure out why folks unabashedly slam Joe. Yes, there are patent trolls and yes, there are serious problems with our patent system, but after evaluating the entire situation after the Yeti deal collapsed (which was unfortunate), it seems to me that, in general, Joe is the little guy that the best parts of our decrepit patent system support. Before the Yeti thing, his patent basically kept several large studios from outright stealing his work and giving him no compensation for it. Isn't that the ideal situation for patents? Protecting the little guy from the big conglomerate corporations? I don't want to turn this into a political discussion but this evil Joe Alter thread came up on a neighboring VFX list that Joe was actually on, and when he calmly presented his case it actually made a lot of sense. Yeti is an unfortunate causality to this situation, but this doesn't mean that Joe is a patent troll... I mean, he did the actual work and makes money from competing products based on that work. I'm all for open-source stuff and I think if someone wants to go down that route, more power to them. All of my released work has been released as such. But that doesn't mean that if someone wants the protection of the law for their creation they should be denied that. Methinks if his detractors actually held patents they would have a different opinion of him. My 0.02. -Eric -Original Message- From: Eugen Sares Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 10:23 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Nah, Joe Alter already holds this...
Re: Friday Flashback #133
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Eric Deren eric_l...@dzignlight.com wrote: I still have yet to figure out why folks unabashedly slam Joe. Yes, there are patent trolls and yes, there are serious problems with our patent system, but after evaluating the entire situation after the Yeti deal collapsed (which was unfortunate), it seems to me that, in general, Joe is the little guy that the best parts of our decrepit patent system support. Before the Yeti thing, his patent basically kept several large studios from outright stealing his work and giving him no compensation for it. Isn't that the ideal situation for patents? Protecting the little guy from the big conglomerate corporations? It's because Joe has a patent that's pretty general on how to mathematically parametrize hair on a 3d surface, which not so much something that's he invented but more of a description he's figured out of the way to replicate on a computer what nature does on your head. It simply isn't true that everyone who writes a hair system is necessarily stealing his work, other people could come to the same conclusion without looking at this work. that's how patents are: you have process to do something, then you qualify it with a specific field, and boom, you've got a patent. There are patents for drawing... on a computer. You can't patent drawing, but you could do it if you qualify it with on a computer. It's really a case of running to the patent office early in CG history before anyone else could and not so much of the little guy with a brilliant innovation that needs to be protected from evil conglomerates.
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One nice thing about patents - they eventually expire. Take a look at many of the Softimage patents and you'll notice they're dated in the 1990's. With patents being issued for 20 year protection (in the US), many of those patents will be expiring soon. Matt -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:47 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Thx Alan, I knew about the render region, and I'm not surprised of the toon and quick stretch ones either. What I really wonder is: how could any developer these days write commercial software and hope not to infringe any patents by accident? It's a total minefield, let alone financially prohibitive due to cost of patent research. Heck, I hear even the progress bar is, or was until recently, patented! It's coming to a point where it's getting impossible for small companies and individuals to develop anything commercially. And that's not a problem in a land far far away. It already affects my daily work, as illustrated by the lack of decent hair modeling solutions for Soft other than that Shave version from stone age. Peregin's Yeti cannot be sold in America due to legal dispute with Joe Alter, and I believe that other hair mesh modeling tech is also Patented by Cem Yuksel (Hair Farm), and I doubt he has plans to port it to Softimage himself. Patents are to protect those who take risks and invest in research and development, I understand that, but I feel it's getting to a point where it does more harm than good. They simply remain effective for too long, anything longer than 5 years is a lifetime in software development. All one can do is either not write software or just don't give a fuck, close his eyes and push forward in hope that nobody sues his ass off. Did I miss anything? Softimage has a bunch of patents actually. Render region: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=1k8EEBAJzoom=4dq=avid%20technology%20renderpg=PA12#v=onepag eqf=false XSI's QuickStretch deformer: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=NxcgEBAJzoom=4dq=softimagepg=PA2#v=onepageqf=false There's a few more, including one for toon shading: https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=inassignee:%22Soft image%22 Oh, and Avid appears to have a patent on editing f-curves in 2D space: https://www.google.com/patents/WO263847A1?cl=endq=avid+softimage; hl=ensa=Xei=a4cTUrOxC46g4AP7p4HYCAved=0CDQQ6AEwAA On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.comwrote: (http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp:/ /patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html ) What? The XSI Property Editor is actually patented? On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Christoph Muetze c...@glarestudios.de wrote: ...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. No, he only did the look and skin of the UI. In an interview on xsibase, it was implied he did ui design but this is wrong, it was only graphic design. For the functional design, we had at many people in the early days who designed that. They were called Program Managers, which is how that job was called at Microsoft in the 1990s, but in this decade we'd call them interaction designers. For example, one person from Softimage|DS called Michael Sheasby (http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp: //patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html) is responsible for all the modeless inspector design, i.e. everything about how the PPGs work, without which XSI wouldn't feel like XSI. There were different people for each areas. -- --**--- Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at --**--- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are-- -- confidential and for the recipient only -- -- - Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at - keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its
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As I understand it, in even simpler terms he has a patent on guide curves (hairs) producing an interpolated result. I get that maybe he was among the first to think of that and implement it in the early CG days. Kudos to him for being among the first, but in my eyes that's a *very* fundamental concept of almost any hair system and he shouldn't be getting more than a mention in the *special thanks* of the About window of any cg hair solution. If he's not innovating in that field and his own product (Shave) is falling behind the times then I'm afraid that's his problem (and I'd love him to make it better, frankly), but he shouldn't stifle anyone else's seemingly superior solutions from advancing (or selling) just because they have any form of guide paths being extrapolated into a dense population of hair segments. That attitude seems troll'ish to me. On another note, I hope he isn't granted a patent on Pose-Space Deformations (PSD) for his work on the *LBrush* product: http://www.lbrush.com/ but at the same time I do hope people purchase his product and he makes money from it directly and not via litigation with others, and hope to see new fancy shmancy kickass innovative solutions from him. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Eric Deren eric_l...@dzignlight.com wrote: I still have yet to figure out why folks unabashedly slam Joe. Yes, there are patent trolls and yes, there are serious problems with our patent system, but after evaluating the entire situation after the Yeti deal collapsed (which was unfortunate), it seems to me that, in general, Joe is the little guy that the best parts of our decrepit patent system support. Before the Yeti thing, his patent basically kept several large studios from outright stealing his work and giving him no compensation for it. Isn't that the ideal situation for patents? Protecting the little guy from the big conglomerate corporations? It's because Joe has a patent that's pretty general on how to mathematically parametrize hair on a 3d surface, which not so much something that's he invented but more of a description he's figured out of the way to replicate on a computer what nature does on your head. It simply isn't true that everyone who writes a hair system is necessarily stealing his work, other people could come to the same conclusion without looking at this work. that's how patents are: you have process to do something, then you qualify it with a specific field, and boom, you've got a patent. There are patents for drawing... on a computer. You can't patent drawing, but you could do it if you qualify it with on a computer. It's really a case of running to the patent office early in CG history before anyone else could and not so much of the little guy with a brilliant innovation that needs to be protected from evil conglomerates.
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I'm a little unsure what the problem people have with him is too. Maybe I am just missing something? Aren't there are licensing fee associated with lots of technologies? They are then built into the cost to the consumery. Is it really cost prohibitive because he asks for too much or something? Or does he just not allow anyone to expand on his patented process? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Alan Fregtman alan.fregt...@gmail.comwrote: As I understand it, in even simpler terms he has a patent on guide curves (hairs) producing an interpolated result. I get that maybe he was among the first to think of that and implement it in the early CG days. Kudos to him for being among the first, but in my eyes that's a *very* fundamental concept of almost any hair system and he shouldn't be getting more than a mention in the *special thanks* of the About window of any cg hair solution. If he's not innovating in that field and his own product (Shave) is falling behind the times then I'm afraid that's his problem (and I'd love him to make it better, frankly), but he shouldn't stifle anyone else's seemingly superior solutions from advancing (or selling) just because they have any form of guide paths being extrapolated into a dense population of hair segments. That attitude seems troll'ish to me. On another note, I hope he isn't granted a patent on Pose-Space Deformations (PSD) for his work on the *LBrush* product: http://www.lbrush.com/ but at the same time I do hope people purchase his product and he makes money from it directly and not via litigation with others, and hope to see new fancy shmancy kickass innovative solutions from him. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Eric Deren eric_l...@dzignlight.com wrote: I still have yet to figure out why folks unabashedly slam Joe. Yes, there are patent trolls and yes, there are serious problems with our patent system, but after evaluating the entire situation after the Yeti deal collapsed (which was unfortunate), it seems to me that, in general, Joe is the little guy that the best parts of our decrepit patent system support. Before the Yeti thing, his patent basically kept several large studios from outright stealing his work and giving him no compensation for it. Isn't that the ideal situation for patents? Protecting the little guy from the big conglomerate corporations? It's because Joe has a patent that's pretty general on how to mathematically parametrize hair on a 3d surface, which not so much something that's he invented but more of a description he's figured out of the way to replicate on a computer what nature does on your head. It simply isn't true that everyone who writes a hair system is necessarily stealing his work, other people could come to the same conclusion without looking at this work. that's how patents are: you have process to do something, then you qualify it with a specific field, and boom, you've got a patent. There are patents for drawing... on a computer. You can't patent drawing, but you could do it if you qualify it with on a computer. It's really a case of running to the patent office early in CG history before anyone else could and not so much of the little guy with a brilliant innovation that needs to be protected from evil conglomerates.
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The problems are simple: A) The patent is retardedly generic and its acceptance is questionable, but what is done is done. B) It was NOT the brilliant intuition that nobody had before it was claimed to be, prior work too close for comfort existed, but it was a different time and nobody else ran for it (you didn't even have internet logs for patent checking, back then you had to go peruse their library on a regular basis, and some patents would take months to transition between offices and stuff came in in tidal waves). C) Joe is a software patent advocate, and despite claim to the countrary an avid patent filer. He is EXACTLY a patent troll, which is why he puts the OSS community down and ridicules the term. That is also the behaviour of the corporations he so valorously fights against in his mind. The irony is at such critical levels of density it's amazing the entire state he resides in hasn't collapsed on itself in a black hole. D) He enforces it indiscriminately, it's extremely questionable whether Disney infringed, and Peregrine shouldn't even have been contacted, they were on third tier grounds (they did NOT infringe, but they derived from SeExpr by Disney that was, at the time, connected indirectly (due to xGen) to a lawsuit. He IS patent trolling, don't buy into his campaign presenting himself as the little man against the evil corps, he's not. He might be little in terms of income, but he sure isn't a poor slighted soul fighting tooth and nail for his life. E) You heard one side of the story, and you are assuming all of it is true and unbiased. Colin has decided not to say more, Joe keeps going around digging his own grave by insulting people 360 degrees. F) The software patents world is an American thing tied to a rotten, outdated system that gets in the way of progress and informatic freedom everywhere else. Nobody except a few selected individuals and an even smaller number of large corporations benefits from them. Whenever someone goes so far out of his way to diminish and piss all over communities like the OSS one (because all they do is copy stuff, right? Linux, GrID, Alembic, PartIO, OpenSL, Apache, CPython, OpenVDB, OpenSubD... all highly derivative shit, right?) and then proceeds to paint himself as a victim of evil corporations (because Disney, with ILM, and Pixar underneath didn't release a shitton of original software and papers for free), what does he expect to be seen as if not as a gigantic internet tough guy prick? I'm not saying he is one, but he sure works hard to paint himself as one. Why shouldn't people be equally prickly in response? It's only in the natural order of the internets that people anabashedly take the piss or attack him, he does the same routinely and aggresively. Enough to figure it out now? :) On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Eric Deren eric_l...@dzignlight.comwrote: Nah, Joe Alter already holds this... I still have yet to figure out why folks unabashedly slam Joe. Yes, there are patent trolls and yes, there are serious problems with our patent system, but after evaluating the entire situation after the Yeti deal collapsed (which was unfortunate), it seems to me that, in general, Joe is the little guy that the best parts of our decrepit patent system support. Before the Yeti thing, his patent basically kept several large studios from outright stealing his work and giving him no compensation for it. Isn't that the ideal situation for patents? Protecting the little guy from the big conglomerate corporations? I don't want to turn this into a political discussion but this evil Joe Alter thread came up on a neighboring VFX list that Joe was actually on, and when he calmly presented his case it actually made a lot of sense. Yeti is an unfortunate causality to this situation, but this doesn't mean that Joe is a patent troll... I mean, he did the actual work and makes money from competing products based on that work. I'm all for open-source stuff and I think if someone wants to go down that route, more power to them. All of my released work has been released as such. But that doesn't mean that if someone wants the protection of the law for their creation they should be denied that. Methinks if his detractors actually held patents they would have a different opinion of him. My 0.02. -Eric
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If I had right to vote in the States I would have voted for the Governor. So, admittedly, a Republican vote. Still better than you sending your sheet back with all the names scribbled out and Hitler written on top and voted on the side. (It was time for Godwin's law to kick in). On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: If I had right to vote in the States I would have voted for the Governor. Which one? There are 50... and not all of them are Republican. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
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The Governor with a capital G, there's only one, and sadly he couldn't run for presidentials. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: If I had right to vote in the States I would have voted for the Governor. Which one? There are 50... and not all of them are Republican. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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You mean Arnold the Governator Schwarzenegger? Any republican as president is a bad idea. But I'll stop there as this isn't a political forum. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 The Governor with a capital G, there's only one, and sadly he couldn't run for presidentials. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.commailto:ethivie...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.commailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: If I had right to vote in the States I would have voted for the Governor. Which one? There are 50... and not all of them are Republican. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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I'll go one further: Politicians as president is a bad idea...both sides :P On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: You mean Arnold “the Governator” Schwarzenegger? ** ** Any republican as president is a bad idea. But I’ll stop there as this isn’t a political forum. ** ** Matt ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Raffaele Fragapane *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 6:44 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 ** ** The Governor with a capital G, there's only one, and sadly he couldn't run for presidentials. ** ** On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com wrote: ** ** On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: If I had right to vote in the States I would have voted for the Governor.* *** ** ** Which one? There are 50... and not all of them are Republican. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- -=T=-
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Because the democrats are doing such a good job. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:49 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Friday Flashback #133 You mean Arnold the Governator Schwarzenegger? Any republican as president is a bad idea. But I'll stop there as this isn't a political forum. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 The Governor with a capital G, there's only one, and sadly he couldn't run for presidentials. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: If I had right to vote in the States I would have voted for the Governor. Which one? There are 50... and not all of them are Republican. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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Eric, this is all your fault.
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It's ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren't American citizens either. Some of them aren't even human.or even alive. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Thivierge Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
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Well, Reagan was first a radio personality, then a film actor, then a TV actor, and only a fair bit later a president and managed two terms :p Besides, both me and Eric were joking, maybe the whole bipartisan debate is best suited to some other place? On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.comwrote: ** Arnie for President? A non-native American, republican actor gone politician? That's more contradictions in one sentence to comprehend simultaneously, and it's not even the actor vs president one that sticks out (I hear there have been previous American presidents who used to be actors?).
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Someone had to get this thread derailed... they took the bait pretty easily too huh? On Aug 26, 2013 11:07 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Eric, this is all your fault.
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With all the craziness flying around, the next thing I was expecting you guys to suggest was for Joe Alter to be elected President ;) On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.comwrote: Someone had to get this thread derailed... they took the bait pretty easily too huh? On Aug 26, 2013 11:07 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Eric, this is all your fault. -- -=T=-
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Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. ** ** *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 ** ** ** ** On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
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On 27/08/13 13:56, Eric Lampi wrote: Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! I'm pretty sure mentioning Jesus isn't going to help matters .. Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net mailto:sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
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Sounds just like something Hitler would say... Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. ** ** *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 ** ** ** ** On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
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Since when did you become a list Nazi, Ben? (Yes, I'm pushing that Godwin agenda hard on this one). On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Paschke ben.pasc...@rsp.com.auwrote: On 27/08/13 13:56, Eric Lampi wrote: Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! I'm pretty sure mentioning Jesus isn't going to help matters .. Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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I don't know about you guys, but I still think Ayn Rand was right... On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Since when did you become a list Nazi, Ben? (Yes, I'm pushing that Godwin agenda hard on this one). On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Paschke ben.pasc...@rsp.com.auwrote: On 27/08/13 13:56, Eric Lampi wrote: Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! I'm pretty sure mentioning Jesus isn't going to help matters .. Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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Eric, this is all your fault. Did I not CLEARLY state that I didn’t want this to turn into a political conversation? :P -Eric -Original Message- From: Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:06 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Eric, this is all your fault.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpSU2Hff0Jc :) In french Le 27/08/2013 06:31, Eric Thivierge a écrit : Sounds just like something Hitler would say... Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com mailto:ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net mailto:sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com
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Agreed. I blame Eric. -Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Eric Deren eric_l...@dzignlight.comwrote: Eric, this is all your fault. Did I not CLEARLY state that I didn’t want this to turn into a political conversation? :P -Eric -Original Message- From: Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:06 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Eric, this is all your fault.
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The other Eric, the one that looks and smells like a short wet Wookie. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Eric Deren eric_l...@dzignlight.comwrote: Eric, this is all your fault. Did I not CLEARLY state that I didn’t want this to turn into a political conversation? :P -Eric -Original Message- From: Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:06 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 Eric, this is all your fault. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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On 27/08/13 14:11, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Since when did you become a list Nazi, Ben? (Yes, I'm pushing that Godwin agenda hard on this one). Haha! list nazi! Dudes can talk all they like as long as I have my trusty Mark thread as read button :D I'm off to add Godwin's Law to my reading list. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Paschke ben.pasc...@rsp.com.au mailto:ben.pasc...@rsp.com.au wrote: On 27/08/13 13:56, Eric Lampi wrote: Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! I'm pretty sure mentioning Jesus isn't going to help matters .. Can we please keep this as the ONE forum on teh internets where I don't have to be inundated with derpy political comments and the inevitable, slow slide towards personal attacks and comparisons to Hitler. PLEASE!? Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/user7979713/3d-work On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Sam sbowl...@cox.net mailto:sbowl...@cox.net wrote: It’s ok. Most of the people who voted for Obama aren’t American citizens either. Some of them aren’t even human…or even alive. *From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thivierge *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:33 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Friday Flashback #133 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com mailto:raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: F) The software patents world is an American thing Heh, this coming from someone who voted for G.W. Bush even when not even a US citizen! :P Thanks for the insights Raf. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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Softimage has a bunch of patents actually. Render region: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=1k8EEBAJzoom=4dq=avid%20technology%20renderpg=PA12#v=onepageqf=false XSI's QuickStretch deformer: http://www.google.com/patents ?id=NxcgEBAJzoom=4dq=softimagepg=PA2#v=onepageqf=false There's a few more, including one for toon shading: https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=ptshl=enq=inassignee:%22Softimage%22 Oh, and Avid appears to have a patent on editing f-curves in 2D space: https://www.google.com/patents/WO263847A1?cl=endq=avid+softimagehl=ensa=Xei=a4cTUrOxC46g4AP7p4HYCAved=0CDQQ6AEwAA On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.comwrote: (http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html ) What? The XSI Property Editor is actually patented? On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Christoph Muetze c...@glarestudios.de wrote: ...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. No, he only did the look and skin of the UI. In an interview on xsibase, it was implied he did ui design but this is wrong, it was only graphic design. For the functional design, we had at many people in the early days who designed that. They were called Program Managers, which is how that job was called at Microsoft in the 1990s, but in this decade we'd call them interaction designers. For example, one person from Softimage|DS called Michael Sheasby (http://patent.ipexl.com/**inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.**htmlhttp://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html) is responsible for all the modeless inspector design, i.e. everything about how the PPGs work, without which XSI wouldn't feel like XSI. There were different people for each areas. -- --**--- Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at --**--- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are-- -- confidential and for the recipient only --
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(http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html) What? The XSI Property Editor is actually patented? On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Christoph Muetze c...@glarestudios.de wrote: ...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. No, he only did the look and skin of the UI. In an interview on xsibase, it was implied he did ui design but this is wrong, it was only graphic design. For the functional design, we had at many people in the early days who designed that. They were called Program Managers, which is how that job was called at Microsoft in the 1990s, but in this decade we'd call them interaction designers. For example, one person from Softimage|DS called Michael Sheasby (http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html) is responsible for all the modeless inspector design, i.e. everything about how the PPGs work, without which XSI wouldn't feel like XSI. There were different people for each areas. -- - Stefan Kubicek ste...@keyvis.at - keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone: +43 (0) 699 12614231 www.keyvis.at -- This email and its attachments are-- -- confidential and for the recipient only --
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Hey Luc-Eric, Was it also Charles Migos who designed it? I don't remember. If it's him, he leads a team at Apple. :) -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Luc-Eric Rousseau Sent: 16 août 2013 17:14 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 we joked with the designer that it looked like a man falling to his death once you see it... On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Stephen Blair stephenrbl...@gmail.com wrote: Friday Flashback #133 The Softimage Sumatra logo http://wp.me/powV4-2OV
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Yes, it was him. On 19/08/2013 8:06 AM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau wrote: Hey Luc-Eric, Was it also Charles Migos who designed it? I don't remember. If it's him, he leads a team at Apple. :) -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Luc-Eric Rousseau Sent: 16 août 2013 17:14 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Friday Flashback #133 we joked with the designer that it looked like a man falling to his death once you see it... On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Stephen Blair stephenrbl...@gmail.com wrote: Friday Flashback #133 The Softimage Sumatra logo http://wp.me/powV4-2OV
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.. and for the benefit of the list, charles is responsible for all of the softimage XSI/DS UI look. He left in 2000. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Stephen Blair stephenrbl...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it was him. On 19/08/2013 8:06 AM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau wrote: Hey Luc-Eric, Was it also Charles Migos who designed it? I don't remember. If it's him, he leads a team at Apple. :)
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...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. Cheers! Chris On 08/19/2013 05:56 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote: .. and for the benefit of the list, charles is responsible for all of the softimage XSI/DS UI look. He left in 2000. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Stephen Blair stephenrbl...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it was him. On 19/08/2013 8:06 AM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau wrote: Hey Luc-Eric, Was it also Charles Migos who designed it? I don't remember. If it's him, he leads a team at Apple. :)
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Christoph Muetze c...@glarestudios.de wrote: ...He didn't just do the skin but also the functional design of the user interface, right? I was always under the impression that he was the designer behind the UI. Am i wrong about this? I always have a hard time explaining people that i do interface design - and that sometimes includes (but is entirely not about) button painting ;) I couldn't care less about the (admittedly beautiful) skin of Softimage - but the UI... oh boy, that's (for the largest part) a piece of true art. No, he only did the look and skin of the UI. In an interview on xsibase, it was implied he did ui design but this is wrong, it was only graphic design. For the functional design, we had at many people in the early days who designed that. They were called Program Managers, which is how that job was called at Microsoft in the 1990s, but in this decade we'd call them interaction designers. For example, one person from Softimage|DS called Michael Sheasby (http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Michael_C_Sheasby_1.html) is responsible for all the modeless inspector design, i.e. everything about how the PPGs work, without which XSI wouldn't feel like XSI. There were different people for each areas.
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I had no idea that logo had all that meaning behind it. Cool stuff! Behind my laptop screen I have a metal sticker of that logo I got during Siggraph 2011 that I stuck over HP's glowing logo. hehe On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Stephen Blair stephenrbl...@gmail.comwrote: Friday Flashback #133 The Softimage Sumatra logo http://wp.me/powV4-2OV
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Finally I know. I always looked at it as an X in motion from XSI. Cool to know! 2013/8/16 Stephen Blair stephenrbl...@gmail.com Friday Flashback #133 The Softimage Sumatra logo http://wp.me/powV4-2OV --
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the idea of a vast, unexplored environments as well as to recall the renowned navigability of the product and look where it is navigated now... definitely unexplored mysterious way ahead On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Finally I know. I always looked at it as an X in motion from XSI. Cool to know! 2013/8/16 Stephen Blair stephenrbl...@gmail.com Friday Flashback #133 The Softimage Sumatra logo http://wp.me/powV4-2OV --
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we joked with the designer that it looked like a man falling to his death once you see it... On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Stephen Blair stephenrbl...@gmail.com wrote: Friday Flashback #133 The Softimage Sumatra logo http://wp.me/powV4-2OV
