RE: License to END if you migrate?!
It will be funny to see amazing commercials, movies and images done after feb 2016 where people cover their screens in making of and in the description of software used it's written: The DCC which you shouldn't pronounce the name. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Arvid Björn Sent: 4 mars 2014 12:44 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: License to END if you migrate?! Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks.
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: *Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. * I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks.
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
Completely agreed, its the worst possible decision. Why the hell would you they be bothered about an old discontinued software licence hanging around? Its making cancelling subscription a highly likely option. Way to lose your customers Autodesk. On 4 March 2014 17:50, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: *Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. * I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks. -- www.matinai.com
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
I am sorry but I'm with Arvid - this is complete rubbish. In my opinion _NO_ company can agree to this - we definitely need the ability to re-open old job data in the future. Discontinuing Softimage is hard enough to swallow (especially as it gets announced with the quite cynical claim that they *[...] **do believe that by focusing our efforts we can better serve the needs of the media and entertainment industry and provide customers with better products, faster [...]* ) But this part of the transition offer definitely needs to be reworked. -M -- Martin Chatterjee [ Freelance Technical Director ] [ http://www.chatterjee.de ] [ https://vimeo.com/chatterjee ] nbsp;] On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: *Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. * I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks.
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
That's a decision-maker right there. On 4 March 2014 18:00, Matt Morris matt...@gmail.com wrote: Completely agreed, its the worst possible decision. Why the hell would you they be bothered about an old discontinued software licence hanging around? Its making cancelling subscription a highly likely option. Way to lose your customers Autodesk. On 4 March 2014 17:50, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: *Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. * I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks. -- www.matinai.com
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
My translation of it: *If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over.* /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: *Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. * I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks. -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studios http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
I agree. I have to go back to jobs I didn't 3+ years ago sometimes if a client calls up. In two years I need the ability to open up and make changes to the jobs I will be doing over the next 6 months as we transition. On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks.
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: *If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over.* /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.comwrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: *Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. * I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks. -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studios http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
To me, the Either/Or thing stikes me as proof of relative sociopathic philosophy. On 03/04/14 13:47, Peter Agg wrote: I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com mailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.com mailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: /If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over./ /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.com mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com mailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: /Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. _If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date._ You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. / I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks. -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studios http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
Wait a second. So in order to keep using Softimage past that dateI have to continue to pay the subscription fee?! Am I reading that correctly? If sowell then I have no choice but to basically use cracked software past that date...sorry...there...I said it. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com wrote: It will be funny to see amazing commercials, movies and images done after feb 2016 where people cover their screens in making of and in the description of software used it's written: The DCC which you shouldn't pronounce the name. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Arvid Björn *Sent:* 4 mars 2014 12:44 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* License to END if you migrate?! Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: *Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. * I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks.
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
IANL, but it seems to me that there are 2 workarounds that AD can do nothing to really enforce. A. use a crack (you may be surprised that such things exist, but they do! ;-) ) B. use an older version of both Softimage and License Manager like, say, 2013 SAP, maybe even 2014. Smarter people than I can probably think of more.
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
Either/or absolutes... (absolute thinking) On 03/04/14 13:57, Ben Rogall wrote: No, I think you have to stop paying the subscription fee for the Softimage/Maya combo if you want to keep using Softimage. On 3/4/2014 11:53 AM, Kris Rivel wrote: Wait a second. So in order to keep using Softimage past that dateI have to continue to pay the subscription fee?! Am I reading that correctly? If sowell then I have no choice but to basically use cracked software past that date...sorry...there...I said it. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com mailto:marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com wrote: It will be funny to see amazing commercials, movies and images done after feb 2016 where people cover their screens in making of and in the description of software used it's written: The DCC which you shouldn't pronounce the name. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Arvid Björn *Sent:* 4 mars 2014 12:44 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* License to END if you migrate?! Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: /Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. _If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date._ You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. / I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks.
RE: License to END if you migrate?!
Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 attachment: winmail.dat
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
Maurice -- Can we transition some seats to Maya and some to Max? or must we pick one for all?
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
Thanks for the clarification. But I'm a solo artist with one license and lots of client scenes which I need to open on occasion for updates. It sounds like my only option would be to buy a full-price license of Maya if I eventually want to transition to that and still be able to open old scenes with Softimage. Is that correct? Ben On 3/4/2014 1:14 PM, Maurice Patel wrote: o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice
RE: License to END if you migrate?!
Yes you can pick and choose. Say you have 4 seats you can do the following - 2x 3ds Max with Softimage - 2x Maya with Softimage maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Ed Manning Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:21 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! Maurice -- Can we transition some seats to Maya and some to Max? or must we pick one for all? attachment: winmail.dat
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available. It's simply unacceptable. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.comwrote: Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it? That's why I don't buy all of the additional We want to serve our customers better or It was a difficult decision. Bite me AD. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available. It's simply unacceptable. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.comwrote: Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
Shall we group together and sue? On 4 Mar 2014, at 19:33, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it? That's why I don't buy all of the additional We want to serve our customers better or It was a difficult decision. Bite me AD. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available. It's simply unacceptable. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
I definitely feel cheated and lied too by a major corporation and its managers On 4 Mar 2014 19:37, Paul p...@bustykelp.com wrote: Shall we group together and sue? On 4 Mar 2014, at 19:33, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it? That's why I don't buy all of the additional We want to serve our customers better or It was a difficult decision. Bite me AD. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available. It's simply unacceptable. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
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Also in cases like these does litigation take into account potential lost earnings? As the choice offered so far Is much less than we had before they discontined. Anybody know any corporate class action lawyers to approach? On 4 Mar 2014 19:41, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: I definitely feel cheated and lied too by a major corporation and its managers On 4 Mar 2014 19:37, Paul p...@bustykelp.com wrote: Shall we group together and sue? On 4 Mar 2014, at 19:33, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it? That's why I don't buy all of the additional We want to serve our customers better or It was a difficult decision. Bite me AD. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available. It's simply unacceptable. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
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I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul ᐧ On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: Also in cases like these does litigation take into account potential lost earnings? As the choice offered so far Is much less than we had before they discontined. Anybody know any corporate class action lawyers to approach? On 4 Mar 2014 19:41, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: I definitely feel cheated and lied too by a major corporation and its managers On 4 Mar 2014 19:37, Paul p...@bustykelp.com wrote: Shall we group together and sue? On 4 Mar 2014, at 19:33, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it adds quite a bit of insult to injury doesn't it? That's why I don't buy all of the additional We want to serve our customers better or It was a difficult decision. Bite me AD. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.comwrote: I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available. It's simply unacceptable. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134
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like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul ᐧ
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Or is Maya going to get its pass system as reliable as Softimage's? or Max a decent Object lister as good as Softimage explorer, same thing for maya? Those are just 2 small examples...not even getting to ICE or whatever Bifrost is going to be in 5 years from now... On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul ᐧ
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Oh you can't trust them, but if there's one thing politicians love to do is grandstand. Calling executives out and bullying them in front of TV cameras is one of their favorite things to do. ADSK certainly seems to be very monopolistic in it's behavior... ᐧ On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul ᐧ
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@Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite. Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again? I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul ᐧ -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studios http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/
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@Maurice: Yeah but you have to agree that it sounds insane for me to give up my *3ds Max, Mudbox, Motionbuilder *license, and then a buy a new one for full retail price, just to be able to open old Softimage scenes in the future. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: revenue accounting guidelines On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Jens, Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue accounting guidelines we follow. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@ listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite. Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again? I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapmantekano@gmail.commailto: tekano@gmail.com wrote: like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswoldpgriswold@ fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgriswold@ fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0Y Wxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8- 94b59c9df0b1]ᐧhttps://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]%E1%90%A7 -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studioshttp://www.magoo3dstudios.com/ -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studios http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/
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Yes I do, but unfortunately that is the way it has to be if we want to offer a free transition maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:16 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! @Maurice: Yeah but you have to agree that it sounds insane for me to give up my 3ds Max, Mudbox, Motionbuilder license, and then a buy a new one for full retail price, just to be able to open old Softimage scenes in the future. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.commailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: revenue accounting guidelines On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Jens, Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue accounting guidelines we follow. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite. Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again? I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapmantekano@gmail.commailto:tekano@gmail.commailto:tekano@gmail.commailto:tekano@gmail.com wrote: like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswoldpgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]ᐧhttps://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1%5d%E1%90%A7 -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studioshttp://www.magoo3dstudios.com/ -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studioshttp://www.magoo3dstudios.com/ attachment: winmail.dat
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I can't believe what I'm reading. Wonder if anyone actually sat down and thought about this properly? On Mar 4, 2014 9:08 PM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: revenue accounting guidelines On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Jens, Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue accounting guidelines we follow. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@ listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite. Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again? I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapmantekano@gmail.commailto: tekano@gmail.com wrote: like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswoldpgriswold@ fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgriswold@ fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0Y Wxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8- 94b59c9df0b1]ᐧhttps://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]%E1%90%A7 -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studioshttp://www.magoo3dstudios.com/
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+1. This is a fair reasonable thing to expect after the many thousands of dollars invested in Softimage and the years of subscription fees. It would go a long ways towards alleviating my own frustration with the current situation. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Arvid Björn Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:26 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available. It's simply unacceptable. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 tel:514%20954-7134
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Yes but then ether would not be a free transition to Maya or 3ds Max maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Christoph Muetze Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:36 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! Well, there is another way. You could do what Adobe did with CS2 a few month ago. On 04/03/14 22:23, Maurice Patel wrote: Yes I do, but unfortunately that is the way it has to be if we want to offer a free transition maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:16 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! @Maurice: Yeah but you have to agree that it sounds insane for me to give up my 3ds Max, Mudbox, Motionbuilder license, and then a buy a new one for full retail price, just to be able to open old Softimage scenes in the future. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.commailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: revenue accounting guidelines On 03/04/14 16:06, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Jens, Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue accounting guidelines we follow. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-bounces@listp roc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-bounc e...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite. Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again? I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapmantekano@gmail.commailto:tekano@gmail.commailto:tekano@gmail.commailto:tekano@gmail.com wrote: like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswoldpgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0 YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8b c8-94b59c9df0b1]ᐧhttps://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2x kQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea3 9e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1%5d%E1%90%A7 -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studioshttp://www.magoo3dstudios.com/ -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studioshttp://www.magoo3dstudios.com/ attachment: winmail.dat
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If you transition you will be offered a new license for the bundle. As part of that transaction you will no longer be authorized to use your old license as per the transition agreement (because you are trading it in). If you are asking whether it is possible to enforce or whether we will enforce it I cannot comment publicly on that. Similarly in two years' time, if you are on Subscription, you will receive a new Maya or 3ds Max only license. If you choose not to install it nothing happens but you will not be able to run newer versions of either 3ds Max or Maya released after that date. Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Adam Sale Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:53 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: License to END if you migrate?! Maurice.. can you explain to me how my 2014 node locked lic would be affected in two years if I decide to transition to maya? The lic would still work as soft doesnt check in to AD everytime I start up... You guys really need to look at this... seriously.. On Mar 4, 2014 1:25 PM, Eric Cosky e...@cosky.commailto:e...@cosky.com wrote: +1. This is a fair reasonable thing to expect after the many thousands of dollars invested in Softimage and the years of subscription fees. It would go a long ways towards alleviating my own frustration with the current situation. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Arvid Björn Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:26 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have the frozen Softimage version be included in the Maya/Max license after migrating, I'm forced to decimate my total number of seats in order to retain access to my Softimage projects, you're forcing everyone to buy new seats, to cover for the ones you will loose in order to keep some Softimage seats available. It's simply unacceptable. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.commailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Sorry I the last two bullets came out a bit garbled: Should be - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do, do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 attachment: winmail.dat
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Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.commailto:adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.commailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY. Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this policy ASAP, thanks. -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studioshttp://www.magoo3dstudios.com/
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Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.commailto: adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com mailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max or Maya. I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from almost 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older Softimage projects INDEFINITELY
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At that point let the licenses lapse and purchase a current version of the best out-of-box solution when you need to...or roll your own. It does not make sense to throw away money on something that you will not use for many years. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.commailto: adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com mailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either 3ds Max
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Astonishing… truly astonishing… And I wonder… what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a first class product… are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and documentation guys and management? Are we talking about what… a little fraction of the profits may be? truly incredible. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.commailto:adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.commailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to use your
RE: License to END if you migrate?!
Hi Sebastien, You should have had a briefing from Autodesk if you have a significant investment in Softimage. We pre-briefed most of our large accounts prior to the announcement which is in part why the rumors started. If you or your company has not been contacted you can email me your contact information and I will pass it on to our Sales team maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sebastien Sterling Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:12 PM To: Morten Bartholdy; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dkmailto:x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.commailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.commailto:adamfs...@gmail.commailto:adamfs...@gmail.commailto:adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses
Re: License to END if you migrate?!
It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support, it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and add seats to Maya. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Astonishing... truly astonishing... And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and documentation guys and management? Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be? truly incredible. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.commailto: adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in keeping the old licenses around? On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com
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Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be expecting the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support, it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and add seats to Maya. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Astonishing... truly astonishing... And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and documentation guys and management? Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be? truly incredible. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now please drop your pants and bend over. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale adamfs...@gmail.commailto: adamfs...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. This is a completely
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I have always had the impression that at Autodesk more lawyers are employed then developers. This seems to prove it. Ohh I hate lawyers! They make the world so complicated! By the way can Autodesk be sued for damages for nonperformance? At least the big studios have a mayor financial damage by this situation (rebuilding their piplines, transitioning assets, retraining personnel). But I guess they are not eligible for transitioning if they are doing so. Stephan. Hi Jens, Yes, if you want to keep using Softimage after two years that is the case. This really is a transition offer and our ability to offer free software was conditional on customers fully transitioning either 3ds Max and Maya. I will pass on the feedback but these conditions were imposed by the revenue accounting guidelines we follow. Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jens Lindgren Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! @Maurice: Right now I'm on a 3ds Max Entertainemnt Creation Suite Premium license, wich as I understand it, will be upgraded to a Ultimate Suite. Am I supposed to not renew my subscription if I want to keep using Softimage, and loose all Autodesk software, and then buy a new fucking Suite Ultimate to get Max, Maya, Mudbox, Motionbuilder again? I just can't believe I even have to ask the question, it's just so stupid. /Jens On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.commailto:tekano@gmail.com wrote: like we could trust our own various crooked governments to sort this particular piece of greed bullshit out. HAHAHA.. a small example. are Strands going to be ready in Maya by 2016? or is Max that gets this small nugget of Softimage legacy uniqueness. An ICE plugin perhaps? is there a list made where all the non easily transferable useful bits (and made a living off) are to be found or eventually end up in 2016? because they sure as hell do not exist right now in any other software that autodesk currently offers. On 4 March 2014 20:11, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.commailto:pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I doubt you'd be able to do anything class action (though I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know). But I do think if enough people contacted their government representative about Autodesk's anti-competitive movement / monopolistic behavior, you'd see something happen. Autodesk is what Microsoft used to be. Perhaps it's time for a little government oversight / investigation? -Paul [https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=acGdyaXN3b2xkQGZ1c2lvbmRpZ2l0YWxwcm9kdWN0aW9ucy5jb20%3Dtype=zerocontentguid=5ea39e17-2146-43c0-8bc8-94b59c9df0b1]? -- Jens Lindgren -- Lead Technical Director Magoo 3D Studioshttp://www.magoo3dstudios.com/
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Blender? :p On Mar 4, 2014 11:32 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Would be awesome if a group of individuals just worked on an open source version that basically does everything Soft did + all the wish list stuff we ever wanted. I know I'm dreaming.. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be expecting the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support, it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and add seats to Maya. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.comwrote: Astonishing... truly astonishing... And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and documentation guys and management? Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be? truly incredible. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree this needs to be revised. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren jens.lindgren@gmail.commailto:jens.lindgren@gmail.com wrote: My translation of it: If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you
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By putting money into Blender projects instead of Autodesk Subs you can build the application you want. From: Alan Fregtman [alan.fregt...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 08:17 AM To: XSI Mailing List Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! Blender? :p On Mar 4, 2014 11:32 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Would be awesome if a group of individuals just worked on an open source version that basically does everything Soft did + all the wish list stuff we ever wanted. I know I'm dreaming.. Kris On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.commailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be expecting the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.commailto:ericla...@gmail.com wrote: It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support, it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and add seats to Maya. Eric Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.commailto:jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Astonishing… truly astonishing… And I wonder… what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a first class product… are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and documentation guys and management? Are we talking about what… a little fraction of the profits may be? truly incredible. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.commailto:jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.commailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their entire pipeline in max or maya... Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate everything minus the meshes... On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dkmailto:x...@colorshopvfx.dk wrote: Thanks for clarifying Maurice. Morten Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.commailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com: Yes this is the case. Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several threads but basically boil down to: - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of which was discussed elsewhere - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds Max). You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can migrate at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you do not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have a few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of support for it. Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! So if you
