Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[gshegosh]

W dniu 10.11.2010 15:18, Ben Gunter pisze:
> I use the trunk patched with the streaming layout modifications behind 
> Apache's mod_proxy in lots of different places and have never had a 
> problem with it. I've attached a patch you can apply to the 1.5.4 
> source code to revert the layouts to what they were in 1.5.3.

Yeah, I proxy my local dev glassfish behind Apache using mod_proxy and 
it works as a charm, I also use this configuration when I have control 
over production environment. It never failed for me.
In this case, I have to be behind IIS, though :-(

Thank You very much for the patch, most appreciated :-) I will try it on 
in the beginning of next week and post my results here.

Best regards,
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Dimension123]

Interesting, i have been noticing something similar whentrying to access from 
behind a cor firewall via IE, BUT this  was happening before this release and i 
didnt think it had anything to  do with stripes...was thinking it was either a 
client or server environment/security isssue.   Havent looked into it in detail 
however since currently   most access is via an intranet.  
Will  try a simple non-stripes test later...

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to 
Maven Repo)]

Ben, a quick question as I'm seeing some strange problems right now 
after overnight production deployment and because the discussion about 
layouts is fresh in my head, it naturally is the first candidate for my 
cause ;-)
Have You (or anyone else for that matter) tried it all behind a proxy? I 
have a situation here where everything works when accessed on Glassfish 
directly (via 8080 port), but when accessed through IIS proxying to 
Glassfish, there are some connection resets or pages server are cut in 
the middle.

Is there a simple way I can modify 1.5.x branch code to bring back old 
layout mechanisms? I have some other modifications so I cannot just drop 
in 1.5.3 back to test it :-(


W dniu 10.11.2010 04:16, Ben Gunter pisze:
> My turn to join in the fun on this thread! As far as I'm concerned, 
> the layout changes are solid. Everyone who reported problems while I 
> was working on the changes is now reporting that everything works. All 
> the zany tests I could come up with that used to break things no 
> longer break things. I'm confident it's ready to ship.
>


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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Freddy Daoud]

Hi Nikolaos,

> The point wasn't that anyone got offended... but rather that some got 
> "alarmed" by the comment w.r.t. "disaster" and started jumping all over it.
> As I mentioned in another post... I don't think that is what Remi 
> intended to say... .
> 
> The unfortunate thing is that the nested layout problem reference is a 
> red herring... and for me that was the bigger issue.
> I don't think there is any doubt that Remi wants this released and 
> released properly just like the rest of us.
> 
> In any event, just wanted to clarify that... .

My apologies if I misunderstood your point.

I realize that you could--justifiably--find that my comments were
misguided. Please know that I will be more careful in the future.

On a side note, thanks for reporting the typo in the book. I meant
to mention it; better late than never; and I've reported it to
PragProg. Hopefully they can fix the typo for those who own or will
purchase the ebook.

Finally, thanks for being so active and involved in Stripes. It is
refreshing to see the momentum pick up.

Cheers,
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Grzegorz Krugły]

Ben, a quick question as I'm seeing some strange problems right now 
after overnight production deployment and because the discussion about 
layouts is fresh in my head, it naturally is the first candidate for my 
cause ;-)
Have You (or anyone else for that matter) tried it all behind a proxy? I 
have a situation here where everything works when accessed on Glassfish 
directly (via 8080 port), but when accessed through IIS proxying to 
Glassfish, there are some connection resets or pages server are cut in 
the middle.

Is there a simple way I can modify 1.5.x branch code to bring back old 
layout mechanisms? I have some other modifications so I cannot just drop 
in 1.5.3 back to test it :-(


W dniu 10.11.2010 04:16, Ben Gunter pisze:
> My turn to join in the fun on this thread! As far as I'm concerned, 
> the layout changes are solid. Everyone who reported problems while I 
> was working on the changes is now reporting that everything works. All 
> the zany tests I could come up with that used to break things no 
> longer break things. I'm confident it's ready to ship.
>


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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Grzegorz Krugły]

Ooops, I guess my use of word "alarmed" triggered some alarms :-)
Never meant to offend anyone, perhaps I just don't grasp all the nuances 
of English since it's not my native language.

Stripes 1.5.4 has been released, seems to be working for everyone, let's 
cherish that :-)

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Freddy Daoud]

:-)

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:01:49 -0500, "Dimension123"
 said:
> Im offended  your book  isn't here yet.
> 
> On topic...release this  bad boy!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Freddy Daoud 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:48 PM
> To: nikol...@brightminds.org; Stripes Users List
> 
> Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4
> (also to Maven Repo)]
> 
> > While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
> > and candor of your comments are alarming to some...
> 
> ..unless know Rémi, and then you know not to get offended :)
> 
> Seriously people, unless someone calls you a !(*$&? !*$?!, don't
> get offended. At least not on the Stripes mailing list. We're all
> friendly here and I have yet to see anyone actually directly and
> nastily insult another. Too often, offense is taken where none
> was intended, by the unfortunately toneless nature of plain
> text.
> 
> Cheers,
> Freddy
> 
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Ben Gunter]

My turn to join in the fun on this thread! As far as I'm concerned, the
layout changes are solid. Everyone who reported problems while I was working
on the changes is now reporting that everything works. All the zany tests I
could come up with that used to break things no longer break things. I'm
confident it's ready to ship.

As for the problems with JBoss, there have been some pretty major changes
since 1.5.3 to help fix various app server-related issues. I don't know if
the particular problems Samuel mentioned have been addressed, but I'm of the
opinion that the code has been stable for some time now and we just need to
release it. Any problems that still remain after the release can be fixed
for the next release.

I'm working on pushing the release now, but I don't know if I'll finish it
tonight. It'll happen in the next day or two, anyway.

-Ben

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Will Hartung  wrote:

>
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Samuel Santos wrote:
>
> > Currently Stripes is not working with JBoss 6.
> > This is a very serious issue to me.
> >
> > Shouldn't we try to fix it before releasing version 1.5.4?
> > How much will we have to wait until version 1.5.5 or 1.6? Will they be
> out in time for JBoss 6 GA?
> >
> > We have 3 open issues related to this - STS-773, STS-775 and STS-776.
>
> There are 97 open issues in the database. But I don't think there's any
> expectation that they all be fixed for a point release, or any release for
> that matter.
>
> Whatever was done between .3 and .4 did not cause the issues you're having.
> Arguably, it's a regression problem, but it's a regression on a new
> container.
>
> As for when they will be fixed, or when .5 will come out, who can say. Such
> is the nature of a volunteer project.
>
> All that can be said is if .4 is cut and released, then whatever changes
> may be made going forward for other bug fixes won't break the current
> release from the website or the repos, and those who need the layout fixes
> can use the "production" version rather than the "beta" version.
>
> If you would like to tackle debugging the JBoss issue in the J6, perhaps
> stepping enabling the debug log, stepping through some code, posting to the
> JBoss forums and perhaps asking them why this "works every where else" and
> "not here", etc., then perhaps a .5 can be cut with just the JBoss 6 fixes.
> Perhaps you'll be able to give some feedback to the folks so they can go
> "AHA!" and fix your bug sooner than later.
>
> The dot releases are pretty much arbitrary. They happen when something is
> fixed and the fixers and users are happy with the fixes and they don't want
> to open a new can of worms on top of the stable code.
>
> So, in that light, I say Ship It.
>
> Regards,
>
> Will Hartung
>
>
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Dimension123]

Im offended  your book  isn't here yet.

On topic...release this  bad boy!

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To: nikol...@brightminds.org; Stripes Users List 

Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to 
Maven Repo)]

> While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
> and candor of your comments are alarming to some...

..unless know Rémi, and then you know not to get offended :)

Seriously people, unless someone calls you a !(*$&? !*$?!, don't
get offended. At least not on the Stripes mailing list. We're all
friendly here and I have yet to see anyone actually directly and
nastily insult another. Too often, offense is taken where none
was intended, by the unfortunately toneless nature of plain
text.

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Nikolaos Giannopoulos]

Freddy,

The point wasn't that anyone got offended... but rather that some got 
"alarmed" by the comment w.r.t. "disaster" and started jumping all over it.
As I mentioned in another post... I don't think that is what Remi 
intended to say... .

The unfortunate thing is that the nested layout problem reference is a 
red herring... and for me that was the bigger issue.
I don't think there is any doubt that Remi wants this released and 
released properly just like the rest of us.

In any event, just wanted to clarify that... .

--Nikolaos



Freddy Daoud wrote:
>> While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
>> and candor of your comments are alarming to some...
>> 
>
> ...unless know Rémi, and then you know not to get offended :)
>
> Seriously people, unless someone calls you a !(*$&? !*$?!, don't
> get offended. At least not on the Stripes mailing list. We're all
> friendly here and I have yet to see anyone actually directly and
> nastily insult another. Too often, offense is taken where none
> was intended, by the unfortunately toneless nature of plain
> text.
>
> Cheers,
> Freddy
>   

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Freddy Daoud]

> While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
> and candor of your comments are alarming to some...

...unless know Rémi, and then you know not to get offended :)

Seriously people, unless someone calls you a !(*$&? !*$?!, don't
get offended. At least not on the Stripes mailing list. We're all
friendly here and I have yet to see anyone actually directly and
nastily insult another. Too often, offense is taken where none
was intended, by the unfortunately toneless nature of plain
text.

Cheers,
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Will Hartung]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Samuel Santos wrote:

> Currently Stripes is not working with JBoss 6.
> This is a very serious issue to me.
> 
> Shouldn't we try to fix it before releasing version 1.5.4?
> How much will we have to wait until version 1.5.5 or 1.6? Will they be out in 
> time for JBoss 6 GA?
> 
> We have 3 open issues related to this - STS-773, STS-775 and STS-776.

There are 97 open issues in the database. But I don't think there's any 
expectation that they all be fixed for a point release, or any release for that 
matter.

Whatever was done between .3 and .4 did not cause the issues you're having. 
Arguably, it's a regression problem, but it's a regression on a new container.

As for when they will be fixed, or when .5 will come out, who can say. Such is 
the nature of a volunteer project.

All that can be said is if .4 is cut and released, then whatever changes may be 
made going forward for other bug fixes won't break the current release from the 
website or the repos, and those who need the layout fixes can use the 
"production" version rather than the "beta" version.

If you would like to tackle debugging the JBoss issue in the J6, perhaps 
stepping enabling the debug log, stepping through some code, posting to the 
JBoss forums and perhaps asking them why this "works every where else" and "not 
here", etc., then perhaps a .5 can be cut with just the JBoss 6 fixes. Perhaps 
you'll be able to give some feedback to the folks so they can go "AHA!" and fix 
your bug sooner than later.

The dot releases are pretty much arbitrary. They happen when something is fixed 
and the fixers and users are happy with the fixes and they don't want to open a 
new can of worms on top of the stable code.

So, in that light, I say Ship It.

Regards,

Will Hartung


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[Nikolaos Giannopoulos]

Samuel,

I think we need to strive for compatibility with a officially released 
GA versions of software...


If JBoss 6 is not GA... is it a legitimate reason to hold back 1.5.4?  
IMHO... No.
What if we fix Stripes and JBoss 6 is altered before GA... do we again 
delay 1.5.4?
In fact, we can have this same conversation about any version of 
software that has not gone GA.


I understand your issue and how serious it is to you but we have to draw 
a line in the sand somewhere.  Again this is IMHO.


Unfortunately, I can't help you with JBoss 6 as I have no experience 
with that particular App Server (many others but not that one) but what 
would help immensely towards getting issues resolved in a release is 
trying to figure out the issues and possibly even developing a patch OR 
at least working on the issues sufficiently that the problem is clearly 
understood and can be remedied.


I did look at your tickets though and in this "specific" case, it 
appears that your JBoss 6 version can not find ActionBeans.  Sounds 
pretty broken.  But also appears weird that it would have anything to do 
with Stripes at this point... i.e. I would expect the issue to have 
something to do with JBoss more than Stripes as really Stripes has no 
dependency on any functionality specific to a particular App Server and 
runs fine on anything J2EE... and that tips the scale for me to not wait 
for this particular issue... as tempting as it may be... there will 
always be something to fix.  Again... others can chime in with their 
opinion.


As far as time line for 1.5.5 or 1.6 is concerned I can't speak to that 
either... but I imagine for every day 1.5.4 is not released that 
probably pushes out a potential release of 1.5.5 or 1.6 b/c all we 
essentially are doing is sitting on our hands and waiting... for what... 
who knows ;-)


My 2 cents... and others may disagree... .

--Nikolaos




Samuel Santos wrote:

Currently Stripes is not working with JBoss 6.
This is a very serious issue to me.

Shouldn't we try to fix it before releasing version 1.5.4?
How much will we have to wait until version 1.5.5 or 1.6? Will they be 
out in time for JBoss 6 GA?


We have 3 open issues related to this - STS-773, STS-775 and STS-776.

Cheers,

--
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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos 
mailto:nikol...@brightminds.org>> wrote:


Remi,

Man... why couldn't you have just said:  "I agree that 1.5.4
should be released as I have no issues with it" or just "OK".  It
would have had the effect of what you and I and a number of other
people are asking for... a timely release of 1.5.4... all things
considered.

While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the
tone and candor of your comments are alarming to some who have not
had issues with nested layouts OR have not had time to test BUT
who have come to expect solid releases for Stripes.  I know you
didn't intend any mis-direction with your comment but
unfortunately not everyone will read or get every nuance of every
e-mail.

And yes - releases can be re-released - and we have you to thank
for the Maven release piece but honestly lets not go there...
agreed ;-)

Anyone else have any issues with nested layouts in 1.5.4 or 1.5.4
please speak up "now".

Cheers,

--Nikolaos





VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:

Hi,

The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben
included weeks ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that
time... Not sure I remember you whining people sending anything
concrete, like test cases. At least no such thing got commited in
our webtests... anyway.

I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according
to him the nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a
problem with it. Since no one has a problem, and since it was the
feature we waited for in order to release, I suggested to go for
it. We're not gonna spend months with this stuff.
Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If
you're not, well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have
tried out the 1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's
any reason to panic here...

Now for the "if it has a problem we'll release again" : that's
what every software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we
fix them, we release... Moreover, now that releasing into maven
central is a one-command operation or almost, I don't see the
problem. Even a "critical" issue (which doesn't seem to be the
case for now) would not really serious : just rollback and keep
1.5.3 in the meantime we fix the bug.
Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a
blocker. But it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again,
1.5.4 has already been out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should
be tested the best we can...
Sometimes, you 

Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Samuel Santos]

Currently Stripes is not working with JBoss 6.
This is a very serious issue to me.

Shouldn't we try to fix it before releasing version 1.5.4?
How much will we have to wait until version 1.5.5 or 1.6? Will they be out
in time for JBoss 6 GA?

We have 3 open issues related to this - STS-773, STS-775 and STS-776.

Cheers,

--
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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos <
nikol...@brightminds.org> wrote:

>  Remi,
>
> Man... why couldn't you have just said:  "I agree that 1.5.4 should be
> released as I have no issues with it" or just "OK".  It would have had the
> effect of what you and I and a number of other people are asking for... a
> timely release of 1.5.4... all things considered.
>
> While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone and
> candor of your comments are alarming to some who have not had issues with
> nested layouts OR have not had time to test BUT who have come to expect
> solid releases for Stripes.  I know you didn't intend any mis-direction with
> your comment but unfortunately not everyone will read or get every nuance of
> every e-mail.
>
> And yes - releases can be re-released - and we have you to thank for the
> Maven release piece but honestly lets not go there... agreed ;-)
>
> Anyone else have any issues with nested layouts in 1.5.4 or 1.5.4 please
> speak up "now".
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Nikolaos
>
>
>
>
>
> VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben included weeks
> ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that time... Not sure I
> remember you whining people sending anything concrete, like test cases. At
> least no such thing got commited in our webtests... anyway.
>
> I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according to him the
> nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a problem with it. Since
> no one has a problem, and since it was the feature we waited for in order to
> release, I suggested to go for it. We're not gonna spend months with this
> stuff.
> Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If you're not,
> well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have tried out the
> 1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's any reason to panic here...
>
> Now for the "if it has a problem we'll release again" : that's what every
> software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we fix them, we release...
> Moreover, now that releasing into maven central is a one-command operation
> or almost, I don't see the problem. Even a "critical" issue (which doesn't
> seem to be the case for now) would not really serious : just rollback and
> keep 1.5.3 in the meantime we fix the bug.
> Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a blocker.
> But it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again, 1.5.4 has already
> been out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should be tested the best we can...
>
> Sometimes, you just need balls :P
>
> Anyway, unless you guys have a problem with the layouts thing, I don't see
> why you complain. No layout problem found ? Well, let's go. That was my
> point.
>
> Cheers
>
> Remi
>
> 2010/11/9 gshegosh 
>
>>  W dniu 09.11.2010 22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:
>>
>> What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?
>>
>>
>>  Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live since it works
>> splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my quirky CMS stuff based on
>> layouts.
>>
>> What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to be
>> supporting:
>>
>>
>> "And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll
>> fix and re-release."
>>
>>  In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of the release.
>> I'm not current with the state of layout tags modifications, if they are
>> confirmed to be working, let 1.5.4 be released; I based my previous post on
>> that single sentence which could suggest they are NOT fully confirmed to be
>> working.
>>
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Nikolaos Giannopoulos]

Remi,

Man... why couldn't you have just said:  "I agree that 1.5.4 should be 
released as I have no issues with it" or just "OK".  It would have had 
the effect of what you and I and a number of other people are asking 
for... a timely release of 1.5.4... all things considered.


While nothing you say is overtly wrong, you need to understand the tone 
and candor of your comments are alarming to some who have not had issues 
with nested layouts OR have not had time to test BUT who have come to 
expect solid releases for Stripes.  I know you didn't intend any 
mis-direction with your comment but unfortunately not everyone will read 
or get every nuance of every e-mail.


And yes - releases can be re-released - and we have you to thank for the 
Maven release piece but honestly lets not go there... agreed ;-)


Anyone else have any issues with nested layouts in 1.5.4 or 1.5.4 please 
speak up "now".


Cheers,

--Nikolaos





VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:

Hi,

The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben included 
weeks ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that time... Not 
sure I remember you whining people sending anything concrete, like 
test cases. At least no such thing got commited in our webtests... anyway.


I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according to 
him the nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a problem 
with it. Since no one has a problem, and since it was the feature we 
waited for in order to release, I suggested to go for it. We're not 
gonna spend months with this stuff.
Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If you're 
not, well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have tried out the 
1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's any reason to panic 
here...


Now for the "if it has a problem we'll release again" : that's what 
every software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we fix them, 
we release... Moreover, now that releasing into maven central is a 
one-command operation or almost, I don't see the problem. Even a 
"critical" issue (which doesn't seem to be the case for now) would not 
really serious : just rollback and keep 1.5.3 in the meantime we fix 
the bug.
Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a 
blocker. But it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again, 1.5.4 
has already been out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should be tested 
the best we can...

Sometimes, you just need balls :P

Anyway, unless you guys have a problem with the layouts thing, I don't 
see why you complain. No layout problem found ? Well, let's go. That 
was my point.


Cheers

Remi

2010/11/9 gshegosh mailto:g...@karko.net>>

W dniu 09.11.2010 22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:

What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?


Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live since it
works splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my quirky CMS
stuff based on layouts.

What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to be
supporting:


"And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a disaster,
well, we'll fix and re-release."

In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of the
release. I'm not current with the state of layout tags
modifications, if they are confirmed to be working, let 1.5.4 be
released; I based my previous post on that single sentence which
could suggest they are NOT fully confirmed to be working.



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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Daniil Sosonkin]

  
  
Nested layouts worked for my.
I've tested in our (light) live system with about 200 concurrent
users. It worked ok. Never replied here since our layouts are as
simple as they get - header, body and a footer - nothing fancy.
If someone needs a release vote - take one here.

Daniil
  
On 11/9/2010 5:09 PM, VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:
Hi,
  
  The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben included
  weeks ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that time...
  Not sure I remember you whining people sending anything concrete,
  like test cases. At least no such thing got commited in our
  webtests... anyway.
  
  I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according
  to him the nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a
  problem with it. Since no one has a problem, and since it was the
  feature we waited for in order to release, I suggested to go for
  it. We're not gonna spend months with this stuff. 
  Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If
  you're not, well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have
  tried out the 1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's any
  reason to panic here...
  
  Now for the "if it has a problem we'll release again" : that's
  what every software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we
  fix them, we release... Moreover, now that releasing into maven
  central is a one-command operation or almost, I don't see the
  problem. Even a "critical" issue (which doesn't seem to be the
  case for now) would not really serious : just rollback and keep
  1.5.3 in the meantime we fix the bug. 
  Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a
  blocker. But it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again,
  1.5.4 has already been out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should
  be tested the best we can... 
  Sometimes, you just need balls :P
  
  Anyway, unless you guys have a problem with the layouts thing, I
  don't see why you complain. No layout problem found ? Well, let's
  go. That was my point. 
  
  Cheers
  
  Remi
  
  2010/11/9 gshegosh 

   W dniu 09.11.2010
22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:

   What is the issue you have with
the 1.5.4 release going live?
  
  

Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live
since it works splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my
quirky CMS stuff based on layouts.

What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to
be supporting:

  
  "And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a
  disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release."
  

In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of
the release. I'm not current with the state of layout tags
modifications, if they are confirmed to be working, let
1.5.4 be released; I based my previous post on that single
sentence which could suggest they are NOT fully confirmed to
be working.

  
  
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Grzegorz Krugły]

Hey, I'm not whining :-P I haven't committed any test cases but I have 
confirmed that new layout code works in my applications, because such 
confirmation after dropping 1.5.4-SNAPSHOT in place of 1.5.3 was what 
Ben asked for.
I was a bit concerned about the will to release broken code, looks like 
it's not broken and by re-relasing You just meant what happens 
occasionally to every piece of software - so it's fine by me, no more 
complains :-)

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[VANKEISBELCK Remi]

Hi,

The question is about the nested layouts feature that Ben included weeks
ago. Remember ? He even asked for testing at that time... Not sure I
remember you whining people sending anything concrete, like test cases. At
least no such thing got commited in our webtests... anyway.

I have been talking with Ben about it and he said that according to him the
nested layouts feature is ready unless someone has a problem with it. Since
no one has a problem, and since it was the feature we waited for in order to
release, I suggested to go for it. We're not gonna spend months with this
stuff.
Many people is waiting for 1.5.4 to be officially released. If you're not,
well, just stick to 1.5.3. Also, many people have tried out the
1.5.4-SNAPSHOT version. So I don't think there's any reason to panic here...

Now for the "if it has a problem we'll release again" : that's what every
software does, isn't it ? I mean, there are bugs, we fix them, we release...
Moreover, now that releasing into maven central is a one-command operation
or almost, I don't see the problem. Even a "critical" issue (which doesn't
seem to be the case for now) would not really serious : just rollback and
keep 1.5.3 in the meantime we fix the bug.
Don't make me wrong : I don't say it's classy to release with a blocker. But
it ain't classy to wait forever either, and again, 1.5.4 has already been
out for a while as a SNAPSHOT so it should be tested the best we can...
Sometimes, you just need balls :P

Anyway, unless you guys have a problem with the layouts thing, I don't see
why you complain. No layout problem found ? Well, let's go. That was my
point.

Cheers

Remi

2010/11/9 gshegosh 

>  W dniu 09.11.2010 22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:
>
> What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?
>
>
> Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live since it works
> splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my quirky CMS stuff based on
> layouts.
>
> What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to be supporting:
>
>
> "And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll
> fix and re-release."
>
> In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of the release.
> I'm not current with the state of layout tags modifications, if they are
> confirmed to be working, let 1.5.4 be released; I based my previous post on
> that single sentence which could suggest they are NOT fully confirmed to be
> working.
>
>
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[gshegosh]

W dniu 09.11.2010 22:29, Nikolaos Giannopoulos pisze:

What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?


Personally I have no issue with 1.5.4 release going live since it works 
splendidly for me on Glassfish 3 even with my quirky CMS stuff based on 
layouts.


What I have disagree with is the approach that Remi seems to be supporting:

"And if this layout thing actually turns out to be a disaster, well, 
we'll fix and re-release."


In my opinion, either the feature is working, or it's out of the 
release. I'm not current with the state of layout tags modifications, if 
they are confirmed to be working, let 1.5.4 be released; I based my 
previous post on that single sentence which could suggest they are NOT 
fully confirmed to be working.


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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Nikolaos Giannopoulos]

Grzegorz,

I don't agree with non-stable releases and totally disagree with a 
nonchalant care taken for any release however I suspect Remi's comments 
might allude to the fact that the release deployment has been 
streamlined vs. toss the release out there the Microsoft way... .


*Please re-read the initial post on this thread.*
Nested layouts was the main thing IMO that held back the 1.5.4 release.
I reported some issues w/ nested layouts as well as provided Ben with 
simple reproducible tests.


Ben resolved those issues a month ago and said:
> I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people 
to drop in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure 
everything still works.


Others have made aside comments that nested layouts work for them.

If all project test cases have passed, non-working cases have been 
resolved, and nobody is voicing any issues (on the mailing list OR via 
JIRA) then my question is then what is the criteria to release 1.5.4 
Snapshot?


Again - I disagree with Remi's comments and couldn't agree with you more 
- however on your "Up" remark...


What is the issue you have with the 1.5.4 release going live?

Cheers,

--Nikolaos




Grzegorz Krug?y wrote:

W dniu 09.11.2010 20:51, VANKEISBELCK Remi pisze:
  
Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing 
actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.



This does sound more like Microsoft relasing Windows (hey, we have 
autoupdate, we'll fix it later or we'll issue an SP). I believe changes 
as deep as those with layout engine should be tested and confirmed 
working if we still want Stripes to be treated seriously.


Having said that, I have been using 1.5.x branch on my e-commerce app 
where layouts are intensively used for CMS-related stuff and I have 
noticed no fuckups after Ben's changes. But there have not been too many 
responses to Ben's call for testing and I'm not sure if releasing 
without confirming (perhaps some synthetic suite of tests that check 
edge cases?) it works for everyone is a good idea.



  
The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.



If someone is happily using 1.5.3 and replaces it with 1.5.4 (so only 
minor version increase) and it breaks horribly with strange templating 
bugs, it IS a showstopper. Breaking things between minor releases is the 
way PHP works, not serious Java frameworks.


  

If anyone thinks we should wait, please speak up !



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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Nikolaos Giannopoulos]

Marcus,

I don't see the grounds / basis for Remi's comments and totally disagree 
with a nonchalant care taken for any release.


*Please re-read the initial post on this thread.*
Nested layouts was the main thing IMO that held back the 1.5.4 release.
I reported some issues w/ nested layouts as well as provided Ben with 
simple reproducible tests.


Ben resolved those issues a month ago and said:
> I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people 
to drop in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure 
everything still works.


Others have made aside comments that nested layouts work for them.

Cheers,

--Nikolaos





Marcus Kra?mann wrote:

Hi,

Am 09.11.2010 20:51, schrieb VANKEISBELCK Remi:
  
Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing 
actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.


The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.




A new release on the stable 1.5.x branch that possibly breaks existing 
applications would be a showstopper. Has there been any _qualified_ 
feedback for the layout changes?


Greets,
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Grzegorz Krugły]

W dniu 09.11.2010 20:51, VANKEISBELCK Remi pisze:
> Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing 
> actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.

This does sound more like Microsoft relasing Windows (hey, we have 
autoupdate, we'll fix it later or we'll issue an SP). I believe changes 
as deep as those with layout engine should be tested and confirmed 
working if we still want Stripes to be treated seriously.

Having said that, I have been using 1.5.x branch on my e-commerce app 
where layouts are intensively used for CMS-related stuff and I have 
noticed no fuckups after Ben's changes. But there have not been too many 
responses to Ben's call for testing and I'm not sure if releasing 
without confirming (perhaps some synthetic suite of tests that check 
edge cases?) it works for everyone is a good idea.


> The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
> straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.

If someone is happily using 1.5.3 and replaces it with 1.5.4 (so only 
minor version increase) and it breaks horribly with strange templating 
bugs, it IS a showstopper. Breaking things between minor releases is the 
way PHP works, not serious Java frameworks.

> If anyone thinks we should wait, please speak up !

Up! ;-)

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Marcus Kraßmann]

Hi,

Am 09.11.2010 20:51, schrieb VANKEISBELCK Remi:
> Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing 
> actually turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.
>
> The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
> straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.


A new release on the stable 1.5.x branch that possibly breaks existing 
applications would be a showstopper. Has there been any _qualified_ 
feedback for the layout changes?

Greets,
Marcus

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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Joaquin Valdez]

Lets go!!! Wooh!


On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:51 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote:

> Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing actually turns 
> out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.
> 
> The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really 
> straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.  
> 
> If anyone thinks we should wait, please speak up !
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Remi
> 
> 
> 2010/11/9 Nikolaos Giannopoulos 
> Thought those on the use mailing list might want to voice their opinion(s).
> 
> --Nikolaos
> 
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject:  [Stripes-dev] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to 
> Maven Repo)
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:52:13 -0600 (CST)
> From: Nikolaos (JIRA) 
> Reply-To: Stripes Development List 
> 
> To:   stripes-developm...@lists.sourceforge.net
> 
> Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
> --
> 
>  Key: STS-779
>  URL: http://www.stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS-779
>  Project: Stripes
>   Issue Type: Task
> Affects Versions: Release 1.5.4
> Reporter: Nikolaos
> 
> 
> Ben Gunter wrote on 10/5/2010:
> 
> > The layout tags in 1.5.3 and earlier buffer virtually everything in memory 
> > before dumping it all out at once. I've modified the tags to stream 
> > directly to output instead, but it required a major overhaul so I'd like to 
> > have it tested thoroughly before I release 1.5.4. From the perspective of 
> > the Stripes developer, layouts should work almost exactly the same.
> 
> 
> 
> > I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people to 
> > drop in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure everything 
> > still works.
> 
> 
> The issues that I personally had w/ nested layouts in 1.5.4 Snapshot have 
> been resolved with this fix.  I believe in asides others have echoed this 
> sentiment.
> 
> Can we now move forward to officially release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
> We can always delay this release but to what end?  There will always be 
> another release to pack in more fixes or features.
> 
> Who in the Stripes community agrees / disagrees?
> 
> --Nikolaos
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[VANKEISBELCK Remi]

Let's go. It's been too long already. And if this layout thing actually
turns out to be a disaster, well, we'll fix and re-release.

The release process (apart from the whole website/news etc) is really
straightforward with maven now, I don't see no showstopper.

If anyone thinks we should wait, please speak up !

Cheers

Remi


2010/11/9 Nikolaos Giannopoulos 

>  Thought those on the use mailing list might want to voice their
> opinion(s).
>
> --Nikolaos
>
>
>
>  Original Message   Subject: [Stripes-dev] [JIRA] Created:
> (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)  Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010
> 19:52:13 -0600 (CST)  From: Nikolaos (JIRA) 
>   Reply-To:
> Stripes Development List 
> 
>   To:
> stripes-developm...@lists.sourceforge.net
>
> Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
> --
>
>  Key: STS-779
>  URL: http://www.stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS-779
>  Project: Stripes
>   Issue Type: Task
> Affects Versions: Release 1.5.4
> Reporter: Nikolaos
>
>
> Ben Gunter wrote on 10/5/2010:
>
> > The layout tags in 1.5.3 and earlier buffer virtually everything in memory 
> > before dumping it all out at once. I've modified the tags to stream 
> > directly to output instead, but it required a major overhaul so I'd like to 
> > have it tested thoroughly before I release 1.5.4. From the perspective of 
> > the Stripes developer, layouts should work almost exactly the same.
>
> 
>
> > I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people to 
> > drop in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure everything 
> > still works.
>
>
> The issues that I personally had w/ nested layouts in 1.5.4 Snapshot have 
> been resolved with this fix.  I believe in asides others have echoed this 
> sentiment.
>
> Can we now move forward to officially release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
> We can always delay this release but to what end?  There will always be 
> another release to pack in more fixes or features.
>
> Who in the Stripes community agrees / disagrees?
>
> --Nikolaos
>
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Re: [Stripes-users] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)]

[Nikolaos Giannopoulos]

Thought those on the use mailing list might want to voice their opinion(s).

--Nikolaos



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Subject: 	[Stripes-dev] [JIRA] Created: (STS-779) Release 1.5.4 (also to 
Maven Repo)

Date:   Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:52:13 -0600 (CST)
From:   Nikolaos (JIRA) 
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To: stripes-developm...@lists.sourceforge.net



Release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
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Key: STS-779
URL: http://www.stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS-779
Project: Stripes
 Issue Type: Task
   Affects Versions: Release 1.5.4
   Reporter: Nikolaos


Ben Gunter wrote on 10/5/2010:


The layout tags in 1.5.3 and earlier buffer virtually everything in memory 
before dumping it all out at once. I've modified the tags to stream directly to 
output instead, but it required a major overhaul so I'd like to have it tested 
thoroughly before I release 1.5.4. From the perspective of the Stripes 
developer, layouts should work almost exactly the same.





I have lots of crazy test cases that work great. I just wanted people to drop 
in a snapshot where they're running 1.5.3 and make sure everything still works.



The issues that I personally had w/ nested layouts in 1.5.4 Snapshot have been 
resolved with this fix.  I believe in asides others have echoed this sentiment.

Can we now move forward to officially release 1.5.4 (also to Maven Repo)
We can always delay this release but to what end?  There will always be another 
release to pack in more fixes or features.

Who in the Stripes community agrees / disagrees?

--Nikolaos

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