Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. there are sections of website the association wants everyone to see. But then there would be one section the Members-Only section should be hidden from view of Google and other items such as Yahoo , Altavista an so on. using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such No, it isn't the same thing at all. You do not understand the difference and should stop talking about it until you do. and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Captcha is a technique, it is NOT some proprietary script, Web technology etc. You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. The forms scripts I use that happen to use a captcha technique cannot be accessed by anyone but a human being who can read and type. Maybe one day someone will build a piece of sw that can read a jumblepd-up bunch of pixels and correctly respond to them but it isn't possible right now. I don't care what company Google bought, it has nothing to do with the captcha technique in the scripts I use. Once again, Phillip, you are speaking before you understand. And, in the process, spreading paranoic mis-information. Usually your mistakes are merely amusing. In this case, sorry, it's damaging and needlessly nutty. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! Google does honor them. I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. ... a Captcha software ... ??? What are you prattling on about? Fine, if one particular captcha script you were contemplating was from a company bought by Google, find another! Good grief. I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. Keep your paranoia to yourself, Phillip. You're serving no one by broadcasting this nonsense. There are endless versions of captcha implementations in PHP and other languagues available for free. Do a little research before you go off on a rant. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Who so loves believes the impossible. - Elizabeth Barrett Browning ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: The forms scripts I use that happen to use a captcha technique cannot be accessed by anyone but a human being who can read and type. Maybe one day someone will build a piece of sw that can read a jumblepd-up bunch of pixels and correctly respond to them but it isn't possible right now. Just to set the record straight, Ed, google up this: captcha cracked by spammers ..and read away. CAPTCHAs are no longer secure, and haven't been for a couple of years. (Besides, they are annoying to humans. g ) It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Sep 15, 5:17 pm, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: The Mozilla community discovered a crash some of our users have been seeing at startup after updates to our previous releases. To fix that issue, SeaMonkey 2.0.8 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download fromwww.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it fromwww.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-09-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.8 System Requirements:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator Ever since I upgraded to 2.0.8, it has crashed totally four or five times every morning. Then it seems stable for the remainder of the day ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 22.09.2010 22:43, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. No it does not. You cannot log in to a sight with just a captcha routine but you CAN login w/o it by entering your user/pass. All captcha is, is a challenge-response mechanism to insure that computer generated access is not automatic via a script, etc. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Daniel Barclay wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message ... These SM folders are actually files that can be opened with a text editor. ... you can then search the file contents for something in the message or header, then copy the message and paste and access it elsewhere. If the file has an attachment, it will be in mime format and follow the message header and message text. The mime can be copied to a new text file, saved and then decoded with a utility such as uuDeview Hope that this information is of value. Yes ... but not an easy way :-) Remember that the easy way (once you know how to edit the file without making any unintentional changes) is to find the X-Mozilla-Status: line for the appropriate message and change the fourth digit of the hexadecimal status code from '8' to '0', from '9' to '1', from 'a' to '2', from 'b' to '3', from 'c' to '4', from 'd' to '5', from 'e' to '6', or from 'f' to '7'. Daniel Do you mean that i must change d8af to 5027 ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 9/23/2010 4:31 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, and leave Phillip be. follow-up set to mozilla.general Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message ... These SM folders are actually files that can be opened with a text editor. ... you can then search the file contents for something in the message or header, then copy the message and paste and access it elsewhere. If the file has an attachment, it will be in mime format and follow the message header and message text. The mime can be copied to a new text file, saved and then decoded with a utility such as uuDeview Hope that this information is of value. Yes ... but not an easy way :-) Remember that the easy way (once you know how to edit the file without making any unintentional changes) is to find the X-Mozilla-Status: line for the appropriate message and change the fourth digit of the hexadecimal status code from '8' to '0', from '9' to '1', from 'a' to '2', from 'b' to '3', from 'c' to '4', from 'd' to '5', from 'e' to '6', or from 'f' to '7'. Daniel Do you mean that i must change d8af to 5027 ? No; that would be changing all four digits of the hexadecimal status code. Change only the _fourth_ digit (fourth from the left, or last). (When I wrote digit I did mean digit (and not bit). Of course, if you do want to think in terms of bits: clear the 0x0008 bit, the fourth-least-significant bit, bit number three in little-endian numbering starting at zero).)) For example, if you see a message with this: X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 (which indicates that the message was marked as read and that the copy of the message was deleted from the file/mail folder), change it to this: X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 to undelete that copy of the message. (Actually, simply setting the status to might be sufficient, but that would cause SeaMonkey to forget whether the message was marked as read and some other things--some of which don't matter, but some of which might.) Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. there are sections of website the association wants everyone to see. Great. The public part of the web site. But then there would be one section the Members-Only section should be hidden from view of Google and other items such as Yahoo , Altavista an so on. Yeah, search engines. Great. What about non-members? using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: The forms scripts I use that happen to use a captcha technique cannot be accessed by anyone but a human being who can read and type. Maybe one day someone will build a piece of sw that can read a jumblepd-up bunch of pixels and correctly respond to them but it isn't possible right now. Just to set the record straight, Ed, google up this: captcha cracked by spammers ..and read away. CAPTCHAs are no longer secure, and haven't been for a couple of years. (Besides, they are annoying to humans.g ) Thanks for the suggestion. I stand corrected. One interesting thing in the Wikipedia article I read was the success rate crackers have had cracking image captchas so far are less than 100%. Some are only at 30% or so. It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Yes, well, Phillip is a nice fellow but he can sometimes shoot from the hip. :-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 22.09.2010 22:43, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. No it does not. You cannot log in to a sight with just a captcha routine but you CAN login w/o it by entering your user/pass. All captcha is, is a challenge-response mechanism to insure that computer generated access is not automatic via a script, etc. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA Okay then Captcha is not the way to go. I'll have to investigate adding Username/Password control. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 10-09-23 8:14 AM, Headfrog wrote: Ever since I upgraded to 2.0.8, it has crashed totally four or five times every morning. Then it seems stable for the remainder of the day In SeaMonke, go to the address about:crashes (without the quotes) and tell us your latest crash IDs. We can then look at the data specific to your crash and have a better idea of what is causing the problem. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: [let's do some snipping here...] using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. Yes, that is exactly what a CAPTCHA image is. What about the part where you think it makes your members only secure from the public? It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. No response to that? They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. What database are you using? Which server-side programming language? PHP, ASP, PERL? You can't do it with just HTML. Do you understand that it needs to include *all* pages in the members only portion of the web site? (You didn't respond to the rest of the issues...) -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.8 on XP consuming CPU after exit?
Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: Running SeaMonkey 2.0.8 under Windows XP SP3 (long time SM user). When I exit SeaMonkey by closing all the windows or using the Exit menu item), the Seamonkey process continues to run invisibly and consumes about 1/2 of the CPU to no worthwhile effect that I can see. I terminate this errant process with Task Manager. It's probably not a good idea to do that. When SeaMonkey closes down, it writes changes to it's configuration files, such as prefs.js and others. By aborting this early, you are not allowing it to complete these cleanup tasks. I have a similar experience (SM sometimes fails to terminate properly), and I have sometimes waited 10 minutes or more while it does nothing (consumes 0% of my CPU) before forcing it to close. The program has always run fine afterward. I have never seen it terminate on its own once it reaches this state. By this state I mean: • program is visible only in Task Manager; • program is consuming 0% of CPU and has been for at least two minutes. I have not yet identified any user actions that can reliably cause this fault, and I've been looking since I first noticed it in Mozilla 1.7. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 23.09.2010 11:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. It would be nice, rather than constantly belittling you, that someone with the time (I don't unfortunately) can take you aside via email or otherwise to instruct you on proper procedure, etc. for what you intend to accomplish, etc. May also benefit you to look into pre-programmed applications such as WordPress, Joomla, PHPnuke and so on, all of which use CAPTCHA - User/Pass authentication and so on. Most all of my PHP sites, including the UFAQ run with RavenNuke, very very secure and updated regularly. See www.ravenphpscripts.com, I am on the dev team btw. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 22.09.2010 22:43, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. No it does not. You cannot log in to a sight with just a captcha routine but you CAN login w/o it by entering your user/pass. All captcha is, is a challenge-response mechanism to insure that computer generated access is not automatic via a script, etc. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA Okay then Captcha is not the way to go. I'll have to investigate adding Username/Password control. Investigate what your hosting company provides regarding protected pages. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Save your breath, you'll need it to blow up your date. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. I'm not sure why, Jay, if all he wants to do is protect Web pages. His hosting company ought to provide that capability via its Control Panel. If not, he ought to change hosts. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ That's a hell of an ambition, to be mellow. It's like wanting to be senile. - Randy Newman ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 9/23/2010 12:31 PM Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. An old Java based program (from 1997) that I used when I needed secure pages was RiadaLock. I see it's still available at: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Web_Authoring/Java_Programming_Tools/RiadaLock.html Whether it still works or not, I don't know. I haven't needed it's capabilities in the last 5 years. But it was still working then. -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu/ Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. -Hugo Black, Supreme Court Justice ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: ZoomText and SeaMonkey
Your Operating System Windows XP Services Pack 3 Your Monitor size 21 inches Your Video settings (pixel size) 800 X 600 Seamonkey version 2.0.8 my preferred screen magnification is 10X thanks... that clarifies your need. It would help to get the ruler size height of a readable character on your monitor screen such as 1.5 inches The point or font sizes end up being dependent on other factors that determine the baseline for your display... i.e. if you were to change your display settings from 800x600 to 1600x1200, all the characters of the same point size would then be 1/4 the size after the switch. You seem to have a good handle on your setup, so, all I can do is to add a few thoughts; The windows font setting can make a major difference but while helping by increasing the size of text throughout the computer, many programs assume that the setting will be standard and cut off or hide text that is larger than the window it will display in. To experiment, would suggest displayproperties/settings/advanced/DPI/Large You can go to custom but I assume you will find that 150% and larger will lead to too many problems. If you don't have one, consider getting on of the Microsoft Intellimouse products. These have additional buttons on the mouse and ship with Intellipoint sofware that includes an excellent magnifier. You can then set one of these buttons to launch the magnifier which will appear centered around the mouse cursor anywhere on the screen. Additionally, when holding the button down, the scroll wheel varies the magnification and moving the mouse resizes the magnification box. Post specific questions and I and others will try to assist. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 9/23/2010 9:14 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. The comment was regarding him being able to have a web site online. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Again, the comment was regarding being able to have a web site online, which is for his family's purposes. You're twisting the two together. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. You blasted him for using Dreamweaver. That's the point. Thousands use FP and produce crappy websites. Phillip used what tool he could not knowing how to code by hand. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? Wow, that's the first time that's happened in these groups... Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.8 on XP consuming CPU after exit?
It's probably not a good idea to do that. While that would be a consideration if SM were still in use and accessible, since SM is dead in the water there is no reason not to kill the process if there has been an interval since it was used. fwiw, I have needed to kill SM in taskmanger for many years and have not experienced any corruption. The other point to consider is to see if quick launch is still running. If so, exit from the tray icon and see if it removes the task manager entry. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Robert Kaiser wrote: The Mozilla community discovered a crash some of our users have been seeing at startup after updates to our previous releases. To fix that issue, SeaMonkey 2.0.8 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. I was never bitten by the 2.0.7 bugs, but I did upgrade without incident. Great job finding the problem and getting a fix out quickly. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
W3BNR wrote: On 9/23/2010 12:31 PM Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. An old Java based program (from 1997) that I used when I needed secure pages was RiadaLock. I see it's still available at: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Web_Authoring/Java_Programming_Tools/RiadaLock.html Whether it still works or not, I don't know. I haven't needed it's capabilities in the last 5 years. But it was still working then. Dully noted and I copied the link to look at it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
If you want help, you need to post some details about about the
accounts that are not working, and both the incoming and outgoing
server settings. Then maybe you can get some specific advice.
Lee
Incoming E-mail is not relevant as it is working from non-home Wifi
connections for all 3 accounts. Web browser access also works fine
at home and via Wifi connections away from home.
Outgoing is not working on any of the 3 E-mail accounts via Wifi
connections when away from home but works fine at home for all 3.
The 3 different E-mail accounts are hosted on 3 different servers
by 3 different providers (my ISP, GoDaddy, and a small company).
What, specifically, do you need to know about these accounts that
would be appropriate to post on a public list which content Google
then splashes all over the world?
It seems to me that SM 2.0.8 could only have a couple of settings
that are capable of creating this problem and someone must know
what are those settings.
JAS wrote:
I never had a problem until my ISP changed to secure and required
authentication from me, so it is your ISP.
I appreciate the efforts to help but we seem to be trapped in a
circle.
There are *3 separate Outgoing E-mail servers* involved here.
My ISP is relevant to only 1 of them.
The other two E-mail servers are GoDaddy and a third company.
I cannot conceive of any way that my ISP's settings are relevant
to Outgoing E-mail on the other 2 E-mail providers (even more so
when I am not home).
I can connect and have Web access and Incoming mail (using the Wifi
ISP - not my ISP), so my ISP authentication cannot apply, since I am
already into all three E-mail servers (for Incoming) and my ISP is
not in any way -- at that point -- involved with 2 of the 3.
I get that the E-mail associated with my ISP may require something
special to persuade my ISP to let me Send an E-mail from a non-home
Wifi but that does not explain why the other 2 are giving me the
exact same problem.
It *has* to be a setting in Seamonkey that is common to the 3.
I don't see how this can be related to my ISP because my ISP only
controls 1 of 3 of the Outgoing E-mail accounts.
WDYT?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. I'm not sure why, Jay, if all he wants to do is protect Web pages. His hosting company ought to provide that capability via its Control Panel. If not, he ought to change hosts. I'll investigate that when They get ready to go online. sounds like a better idea. I'm afraid they are trying to host it themselves to save money. My own Provider for my Website May (Lunar Pages they use cPanel). Never needed it because I don't wish to hide any of mine. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. It would be nice, rather than constantly belittling you, that someone with the time (I don't unfortunately) can take you aside via email or otherwise to instruct you on proper procedure, etc. for what you intend to accomplish, etc. May also benefit you to look into pre-programmed applications such as WordPress, Joomla, PHPnuke and so on, all of which use CAPTCHA - User/Pass authentication and so on. Most all of my PHP sites, including the UFAQ run with RavenNuke, very very secure and updated regularly. See www.ravenphpscripts.com, I am on the dev team btw. I have WordPress blog on my website. But for Now I don't know their provider. For Now I've been getting the skeleton of the site up and running http://www.phillipmjones.net/SESDA/default.html Don't knock the color scheme its their choice I even added some rollover buttons when clicked will switch next page. all are using same layout and yes I am using a CSS Set followup to Mozilla. General -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. will have to wait to find the groups provider. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. I'm not sure why, Jay, if all he wants to do is protect Web pages. His hosting company ought to provide that capability via its Control Panel. If not, he ought to change hosts. I'll investigate that when They get ready to go online. sounds like a better idea. I'm afraid they are trying to host it themselves to save money. My own Provider for my Website May (Lunar Pages they use cPanel). Never needed it because I don't wish to hide any of mine. http://1and1.com/ The Home package is less than $84 a year. For that trivial sum it's not worth the headache of running their own server. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ An expert is someone who is tenacious enough to spend an infinite amount of time muddling through the obscure to realize the obvious. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: [let's do some snipping here...] using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. Yes, that is exactly what a CAPTCHA image is. What about the part where you think it makes your members only secure from the public? It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. No response to that? They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. What database are you using? Which server-side programming language? PHP, ASP, PERL? You can't do it with just HTML. Do you understand that it needs to include *all* pages in the members only portion of the web site? (You didn't respond to the rest of the issues...) Current have the Skeleton pages setup as html. should be able to convert them. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
d...@kd4e.com a écrit : The 3 different E-mail accounts are hosted on 3 different servers by 3 different providers (my ISP, GoDaddy, and a small company). I also have on my laptop three email accounts hosted on three servers. The thing is, in all cases, the SMTP account is the same one: the one from my ISP. That is because GoDaddy and such usually don't offer SMTP connections, just mailboxes. You need to provide your own connection to access email (because GoDaddy is not an ISP, just a host). What that means is, if I'm at home, I don't need to define a user name and password for SMTP since they automatically detect that I am using their network (duh, I'm home!). When I'm somewhere else, though, using WiFi or whatever, that is not the case. They see I am on a different network, trying to access theirs to send email. The email address I am using is of no importance, even if it is myaddr...@myisp.com. They just detect the network used. In those cases, my user name and password for my ISP account must be defined in SeaMonkey. That allows my computer to tell them that I really am just one of their users accessing their server from another network. That is done in the navigator, in Edit -- Account Settings -- Outgoing servers. Edit your settings there to put in whatever needs to be put in (your ISP can give you this info if you don't have it, and it's usually posted on their website). S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0.8 on XP consuming CPU after exit?
Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: Running SeaMonkey 2.0.8 under Windows XP SP3 (long time SM user). When I exit SeaMonkey by closing all the windows or using the Exit menu item), the Seamonkey process continues to run invisibly and consumes about 1/2 of the CPU to no worthwhile effect that I can see. I terminate this errant process with Task Manager. It's probably not a good idea to do that. When SeaMonkey closes down, it writes changes to it's configuration files, such as prefs.js and others. By aborting this early, you are not allowing it to complete these cleanup tasks. I doubt looping until the heat death of the universe is cleanup, these processes do not terminate. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. I'm not sure why, Jay, if all he wants to do is protect Web pages. His hosting company ought to provide that capability via its Control Panel. If not, he ought to change hosts. I'll investigate that when They get ready to go online. sounds like a better idea. I'm afraid they are trying to host it themselves to save money. My own Provider for my Website May (Lunar Pages they use cPanel). Never needed it because I don't wish to hide any of mine. http://1and1.com/ The Home package is less than $84 a year. For that trivial sum it's not worth the headache of running their own server. I bookmarked the link. Lot of folks in the Electronics field are using GoDaddy. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Terry R. wrote: On 9/23/2010 9:14 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. The comment was regarding him being able to have a web site online. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Again, the comment was regarding being able to have a web site online, which is for his family's purposes. You're twisting the two together. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. You blasted him for using Dreamweaver. That's the point. Thousands use FP and produce crappy websites. Phillip used what tool he could not knowing how to code by hand. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? Wow, that's the first time that's happened in these groups... Terry R. Originally created crappy pages because I had to learn on my own without help what so ever, I was given originally DreamWeaver and told your web master of this website. Then when I made my own pages I tried to do the right thing originally with XHTML. Well times change and I updated my own site using HTML 4.0.1 Strict. But people made fun because I use Tables for photos. Still use some on two pages. But at least there are no error. Now this other Association asked me the possibility of creating a site for them. As They liked what I had done with the original Association site I had worked on. I just need the one section Members only to be private. The other would be public information. I frequent sites that use captcha before I can do anything (mostly to prove a person is doing something) I thought that might do. But due to everyone ragging me found out that's not secure enough. So I will look into username/password. If you want to see how bad there current site is Look at http://www.sesda.org That's it. they want just more than basically Convention Page. They use aspx pages in the original site. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Address book combine?
Beverly Howard wrote: hack Curious... what's the hack? Export the data, read with perl, eliminate true dups, combine matching (name and email or name and phone) entries with no non-matching entries, flag conflicts, output in abook format. By combining I catch the case where a dup because entries with a cell number or a note, custom field, etc. combine two or more address books, eliminate duplicates, and note possible conflicts? I'm looking forward to seeing if there is a good mozilla solution for this as doing what you need has never been easy. Yes, it's a unix-like OS solution, and not intuitive. That said, I converted my and my wife's contacts lists (each with about 1,000 entries) to google contacts since they offer free exchange sync and, as part of the conversion I was very impressed with google contacts duplicate entry processing. I make that statement from the perspective of a database programmer who worked with the frequent need to dedupe huge address lists. If I were faced with this need today, I would export both lists to csv format, import them into http://google.com/contacts then run the google contacts dedupe process and export them when finished. That may be the best solution for general use. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: compact folder
Daniel Barclay wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Beverly Howard wrote: if the folder is re-created uncompacted - there is not an easy way to recover an old message ... These SM folders are actually files that can be opened with a text editor. ... you can then search the file contents for something in the message or header, then copy the message and paste and access it elsewhere. If the file has an attachment, it will be in mime format and follow the message header and message text. The mime can be copied to a new text file, saved and then decoded with a utility such as uuDeview Hope that this information is of value. Yes ... but not an easy way :-) Remember that the easy way (once you know how to edit the file without making any unintentional changes) is to find the X-Mozilla-Status: line for the appropriate message and change the fourth digit of the hexadecimal status code from '8' to '0', from '9' to '1', from 'a' to '2', from 'b' to '3', from 'c' to '4', from 'd' to '5', from 'e' to '6', or from 'f' to '7'. Daniel Do you mean that i must change d8af to 5027 ? No; that would be changing all four digits of the hexadecimal status code. Change only the _fourth_ digit (fourth from the left, or last). (When I wrote digit I did mean digit (and not bit). Of course, if you do want to think in terms of bits: clear the 0x0008 bit, the fourth-least-significant bit, bit number three in little-endian numbering starting at zero).)) For example, if you see a message with this: X-Mozilla-Status: 0009 (which indicates that the message was marked as read and that the copy of the message was deleted from the file/mail folder), change it to this: X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 to undelete that copy of the message. I had just understand four instead of fourth :-) OK, that's really the best way to recover a deleted message. Therefore SM developers can add the action undelete messages in a folder instead of uncompact. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
d...@kd4e.com wrote: There are *3 separate Outgoing E-mail servers* involved here. My ISP is relevant to only 1 of them. The other two E-mail servers are GoDaddy and a third company. I cannot conceive of any way that my ISP's settings are relevant to Outgoing E-mail on the other 2 E-mail providers (even more so when I am not home). I can connect and have Web access and Incoming mail (using the Wifi ISP - not my ISP), so my ISP authentication cannot apply, since I am already into all three E-mail servers (for Incoming) and my ISP is not in any way -- at that point -- involved with 2 of the 3. I get that the E-mail associated with my ISP may require something special to persuade my ISP to let me Send an E-mail from a non-home Wifi but that does not explain why the other 2 are giving me the exact same problem. It *has* to be a setting in Seamonkey that is common to the 3. I don't see how this can be related to my ISP because my ISP only controls 1 of 3 of the Outgoing E-mail accounts. This still sounds like the problem I described earlier in this thread. If your home ISP is indifferent as to which SMTP server you use, all will work. If your road ISP requires you to use their SMTP server, then any mail sent to any SMTP server other than theirs will be blocked. Has nothing to do with SeaMonkey. Two workarounds: 1) When connecting on the road, use the corresponding webmails for the various accounts, remembering to cc: or bcc: yourself so you'll have a local copy of everything you send; or 2) Set up a fourth SMTP server in SeaMonkey, which you don't use at home. When you're on the road, change your settings so all outgoing mail from all three accounts goes through that server. The server has to be that of the ISP through which you're connecting, and you have to have an account with that ISP and give name/password the first time you send this way (tell SM to remember these). When you return home, point your various accounts back to the various SMTP servers you would normally use. In my case, I don't have an account with that ISP, but my nephew kindly allowed me to use his name/password to send mail. Of course, I would never use the info to read his mail, but I could if I were unscrupulous, so few people would let you do this. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
This still sounds like the problem I described earlier in this thread.
If your home ISP is indifferent as to which SMTP server you use, all
will work. If your road ISP requires you to use their SMTP server, then
any mail sent to any SMTP server other than theirs will be blocked.
Has nothing to do with SeaMonkey. Two workarounds:
1) When connecting on the road, use the corresponding webmails for the
various accounts, remembering to cc: or bcc: yourself so you'll have a
local copy of everything you send; or
2) Set up a fourth SMTP server in SeaMonkey, which you don't use at
home. When you're on the road, change your settings so all outgoing mail
from all three accounts goes through that server. The server has to be
that of the ISP through which you're connecting, and you have to have an
account with that ISP and give name/password the first time you send
this way (tell SM to remember these). When you return home, point your
various accounts back to the various SMTP servers you would normally use.
In my case, I don't have an account with that ISP, but my nephew kindly
allowed me to use his name/password to send mail. Of course, I would
never use the info to read his mail, but I could if I were unscrupulous,
so few people would let you do this.
Wow, what a hassle. So much for convenient and friendly Wifi's when on
the road. Sigh.
My Web host and one of my three E-mail providers agrees with the
info in an article someone private-mailed me that Port 25 is being
blocked.
He suggested trying Port 26, so I have made that change and will test
it at a non-home Wifi connection tomorrow. It appears to work from
here OK.
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Extension Update Available
On launching SeaMonkey, I saw a popup informing me that an update to one of my installed add-ons is now available. The message did not say which of 8 add-ons has the update. I consider the failure to identify which add-on has a new update to be a serious problem. I went to the Web sites of all of them. For 7 of them, I can tell there is no new updates. For the DOM Inspector, the Web page at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/ does not display a version number. This add-on was installed with SeaMonkey itself. I did not request it; I don't know how to use it; and I'm not sure I want it. Below is a list of my SeaMonkey add-ons with their version numbers. Can anyone tell me which one has a newer version? Extensions (enabled: 8) * Adblock Plus 1.2.2 (http://adblockplus.org/) * DOM Inspector 2.0.4 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) * Flashblock 1.3.16 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/) * Live HTTP headers 0.16 * PrefBar 5.1.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/) * Preserve Download Modification Timestamp 2010.09.12.18 * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/6143/) * ShowIP 0.8.19 (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/) -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Extension Update Available
David E. Ross wrote: On launching SeaMonkey, I saw a popup informing me that an update to one of my installed add-ons is now available. The message did not say which of 8 add-ons has the update. I consider the failure to identify which add-on has a new update to be a serious problem. I went to the Web sites of all of them. For 7 of them, I can tell there is no new updates. For the DOM Inspector, the Web page at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/ does not display a version number. This add-on was installed with SeaMonkey itself. I did not request it; I don't know how to use it; and I'm not sure I want it. Below is a list of my SeaMonkey add-ons with their version numbers. Can anyone tell me which one has a newer version? Extensions (enabled: 8) * Adblock Plus 1.2.2 (http://adblockplus.org/) * DOM Inspector 2.0.4 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) * Flashblock 1.3.16 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/) * Live HTTP headers 0.16 * PrefBar 5.1.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/) * Preserve Download Modification Timestamp 2010.09.12.18 * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/6143/) * ShowIP 0.8.19 (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/) If you are referring to SM, I don't have most of the extensions you listed except Adblock and DOM Inspector and about 15 others, but between those two I have a current version of DOM Inspector 2.0.8.. And I believe the last update I had for that one was in the last few weeks or so. I hope that helps some. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: [let's do some snipping here...] using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. Yes, that is exactly what a CAPTCHA image is. What about the part where you think it makes your members only secure from the public? It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. No response to that? They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. What database are you using? Which server-side programming language? PHP, ASP, PERL? You can't do it with just HTML. Do you understand that it needs to include *all* pages in the members only portion of the web site? (You didn't respond to the rest of the issues...) Current have the Skeleton pages setup as html. should be able to convert them. You know, Phillip, many of us are happy to help you but: 1. No URL 2. I can figure out from your last post what the heck you are saying nor what you have actually done -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Deja FU: The feeling that you've screwed this up before. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Terry R. wrote: On 9/23/2010 9:14 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. The comment was regarding him being able to have a web site online. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Again, the comment was regarding being able to have a web site online, which is for his family's purposes. You're twisting the two together. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. You blasted him for using Dreamweaver. That's the point. Thousands use FP and produce crappy websites. Phillip used what tool he could not knowing how to code by hand. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? Wow, that's the first time that's happened in these groups... Terry R. Originally created crappy pages because I had to learn on my own without help what so ever, I was given originally DreamWeaver and told your web master of this website. Then when I made my own pages I tried to do the right thing originally with XHTML. Well times change and I updated my own site using HTML 4.0.1 Strict. But people made fun because I use Tables for photos. Still use some on two pages. But at least there are no error. Now this other Association asked me the possibility of creating a site for them. As They liked what I had done with the original Association site I had worked on. I just need the one section Members only to be private. The other would be public information. I frequent sites that use captcha before I can do anything (mostly to prove a person is doing something) I thought that might do. But due to everyone ragging me found out that's not secure enough. So I will look into username/password. If you want to see how bad there current site is Look at http://www.sesda.org That's it. they want just more than basically Convention Page. They use aspx pages in the original site. Phillip, if you have a thick enough skin take this discussion to one of these groups: alt.html comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets comp.inforsystems.www.authoring.html alt.www.webmaster Look, what you're trying to do is very simple assuming your hosting service provides the right tools. If you don't already have a provider, research it. You referenced Go Daddy. Not a good reputation from what I've found. We all have biases but, honestly, I've had great service from 1 and 1 dot com. It's a super value. But I wouldn't touch Go Daddy with a four foot Italian. And, if I can help in a way that isn't appropriate for these groups, email me. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Rock is dead, long live paper scissors. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
New Add-ons Manager (was: Extension Update Available)
On 9/23/10 5:11 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On launching SeaMonkey, I saw a popup informing me that an update to one of my installed add-ons is now available. The message did not say which of 8 add-ons has the update. I consider the failure to identify which add-on has a new update to be a serious problem. I went to the Web sites of all of them. For 7 of them, I can tell there is no new updates. For the DOM Inspector, the Web page at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/ does not display a version number. This add-on was installed with SeaMonkey itself. I did not request it; I don't know how to use it; and I'm not sure I want it. Below is a list of my SeaMonkey add-ons with their version numbers. Can anyone tell me which one has a newer version? Extensions (enabled: 8) * Adblock Plus 1.2.2 (http://adblockplus.org/) * DOM Inspector 2.0.4 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) * Flashblock 1.3.16 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/) * Live HTTP headers 0.16 * PrefBar 5.1.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/) * Preserve Download Modification Timestamp 2010.09.12.18 * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/6143/) * ShowIP 0.8.19 (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/) I submitted bug report #599199 regarding the failure to identify the add-on in the notification. That bug report was closed as Invalid because, in a pending upgrade of Add-ons Manager, the notification will no longer appear. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599199. As I understand, users will have one of two choices: * The Add-ons Manager will both automatically detect updates to installed add-ons, download them, and install them. or * Updates will be neither detected, downloaded, nor installed. That is, automatic detection will no longer be possible without automatic installation. Can someone either verify this or tell me where I have this wrong? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
