Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
bcc not working
Follow-up (at a tangent) to my post just above. I have SM 2.0.14 and Windows 7. Lately I have had occasion to send emails to one person (or group) with bcc copies to one or more others. None of the bccs appears to have arrived. For example, I sent a bcc copy to myself of my previous post here. It has not arrived in my Inbox (though the post itself has gone up on the group site). For a further test, I deliberately emailed myself a test message with a bcc copy as well. The message arrived within seconds, but the bcc copy hasn't been sighted. Is this a SM (Mail) problem? Suggestions of what to do, please? Thanks - Ken (in Oz) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
Ken ha scritto: I have SM 2.0.14 and Windows 7. For yonks SM hasn't coped with certain browser page displays where there are inserts (windows within the page, and that sort of thing). Often the last line or two of an insert is out of sight when it should be visible. By contrast, the same page as displayed by Internet Explorer 9 shows all of any text - no text is out of sight. I notice, though, that the type-size used for the page is smaller than my SM uses. So it occurs to me to try to reduce the size of type used by my SM display. Maybe that will solve my problem. So my question is: how do I change (make smaller) the type-size/s used by SM in its browser window? Thanks - Ken (in Oz) It should be in edit/preferences - expand appearance - there should be a character submenu -- Francesco ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Ken wrote: Follow-up (at a tangent) to my post just above. I have SM 2.0.14 and Windows 7. Just above to you may be meaningful. To others, it probably isn't. Some may use Hide read messages or sort by date or sort by subject. Best to mention the Subject line when referencing other posts. Or the Message-ID. Lately I have had occasion to send emails to one person (or group) with bcc copies to one or more others. None of the bccs appears to have arrived. For example, I sent a bcc copy to myself of my previous post here. It has not arrived in my Inbox (though the post itself has gone up on the group site). For a further test, I deliberately emailed myself a test message with a bcc copy as well. The message arrived within seconds, but the bcc copy hasn't been sighted. If you look at the source of your sent message, do you see the BCCs listed in the headers? Did your test send that BCC to a different address than the one used in the TO? Next, a BCC-to-email of a newsgroup post is somewhat different than a real email. I'm not sure you can mix the two. Someone else will know that answer for sure. Your sent post(s) is probably in your Local Folders/Sent folder. Is this a SM (Mail) problem? Suggestions of what to do, please? I would doubt it's an SM problem. I too send BCC email messages at times. They've always arrived at their destination. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
Thanks Francesco. That worked well. I located Fonts under Appearance and changed the minimum size from 17 pixels to 14. (Strange. I went to Preferences previously and then Appearance but couldn't see what to do. Something wrong with me besides my eyesight! I need to be instructed, it seems!) The browser window of certain sites no longer has hidden lines of text (that should be visible) in any sub-windows. Unfortunately the type-size of text in other windows besides the browser windows, such as this mail window, has also reduced in size, and is now rather tiny to my eyes. But I can live with it, provided I have my glasses on!) - Ken (in Oz) - Francesco Presel wrote: Ken ha scritto: I have SM 2.0.14 and Windows 7. For yonks SM hasn't coped with certain browser page displays where there are inserts (windows within the page, and that sort of thing). Often the last line or two of an insert is out of sight when it should be visible. By contrast, the same page as displayed by Internet Explorer 9 shows all of any text - no text is out of sight. I notice, though, that the type-size used for the page is smaller than my SM uses. So it occurs to me to try to reduce the size of type used by my SM display. Maybe that will solve my problem. So my question is: how do I change (make smaller) the type-size/s used by SM in its browser window? Thanks - Ken (in Oz) It should be in edit/preferences - expand appearance - there should be a character submenu ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
Ken wrote: Thanks Francesco. That worked well. I located Fonts under Appearance and changed the minimum size from 17 pixels to 14. ... The browser window of certain sites no longer has hidden lines of text (that should be visible) in any sub-windows. Unfortunately the type-size of text in other windows besides the browser windows, such as this mail window, has also reduced in size, and is now rather tiny to my eyes. But I can live with it, provided I have my glasses on!) Web authors who do not test their pages with various browser-induced font sizes are rampant on the WWW. Little do they know that the web is not paper. :-) It's a losing battle... You can always press Control-Plus and Control-Minus to zoom/unzoom individual pages as you encounter them. (Control-Zero to restore your default setting.) -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Ken a écrit : Follow-up (at a tangent) to my post just above. I have SM 2.0.14 and Windows 7. Lately I have had occasion to send emails to one person (or group) with bcc copies to one or more others. None of the bccs appears to have arrived. For example, I sent a bcc copy to myself of my previous post here. It has not arrived in my Inbox (though the post itself has gone up on the group site). For a further test, I deliberately emailed myself a test message with a bcc copy as well. The message arrived within seconds, but the bcc copy hasn't been sighted. Is this a SM (Mail) problem? Suggestions of what to do, please? Thanks - Ken (in Oz) some providers make spam filters with strange rules, try another provider. SM is not the culprit I think -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
Beauregard T. Shagnasty ha scritto: Ken wrote: Thanks Francesco. That worked well. I located Fonts under Appearance and changed the minimum size from 17 pixels to 14. ... The browser window of certain sites no longer has hidden lines of text (that should be visible) in any sub-windows. Unfortunately the type-size of text in other windows besides the browser windows, such as this mail window, has also reduced in size, and is now rather tiny to my eyes. But I can live with it, provided I have my glasses on!) Web authors who do not test their pages with various browser-induced font sizes are rampant on the WWW. Little do they know that the web is not paper. :-) It's a losing battle... You can always press Control-Plus and Control-Minus to zoom/unzoom individual pages as you encounter them. (Control-Zero to restore your default setting.) For SM 2.0, there's also the nosquint extension actually... http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#nosquint you can set it so that it zooms/unzooms the text, with or without zooming images, on a site-specific basis It doesn't work on SM2.1, though -- Francesco ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wrapping Text Pages
David E. Ross wrote: On 6/13/11 1:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:04:09 -0700, /David E. Ross/: When I view ASCII text Web pages that have no explicit line breaks in the SeaMonkey browser, the pages are displayed without wrapping. Is there a way to get wrapping? An example is athttp://rossde.com/test/Wrap_test.txt, which my service's Web server delivers as text/plain. Apparently, this is NOT a new problem. I see the same results with SM 2.0.14 and SM 2.1. I use (since SeaMonkey 1.*) the very handy Toggle Word Wrap extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/toggle-word-wrap/ I tried Toggle Word Wrap. It is exactly what I need. Thanks. I also did some research in the HTML specifications at the W3C site, both HTML 4.01 and the current draft for HTML 5. Neither of them mention how a browser should handle plain ASCII text. Of course, both specifications are about HTML while a page of plain ASCII text is not HTML. The descriptions of thepre element in both specifications say nothing about wrapping; since thepre element is used when text is preformatted (e.g., with spaces, indentations, columns), wrapping is likely unwanted at least as a default. I think plain text does not wrap but must have end-of-line imbedded. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Ken wrote: Follow-up (at a tangent) to my post just above. I have SM 2.0.14 and Windows 7. Lately I have had occasion to send emails to one person (or group) with bcc copies to one or more others. None of the bccs appears to have arrived. For example, I sent a bcc copy to myself of my previous post here. It has not arrived in my Inbox (though the post itself has gone up on the group site). For a further test, I deliberately emailed myself a test message with a bcc copy as well. The message arrived within seconds, but the bcc copy hasn't been sighted. Is this a SM (Mail) problem? Suggestions of what to do, please? Thanks - Ken (in Oz) i.e. down under Seems to work for me... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A stupid underlined thread
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Some times a see some thread being underlined ... but did not contain any un-readed post. Is it a problem with SM or the server news.mozilla.org owning mozilla.support.seamonkey ? This situation is ennoying. Hey, Ray, sound to me like you've now got the same problem I complained about here in the message Missing messages on about 30th May. Note I've removed the image who's address I posted. I didn't get any replies, so, if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath. I think that there is no missing messages. New posts are present as unreaded. But some thread by the underline says: Hé, see inside my thread, there is some message unreaded. But there is no such messages in the thread and i beleive that there should be no such messages. Only the undelined status is wrong. Do you have any message filters active? Is it possible that there Was an unread message but your filter made it disappear? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IETab Plus and SM2.1
JD wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: JD wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: Looks like the latest version breaks compatibility with Coral IETab (IETab +). I'll have to wait till the author of Coral IETab fixes this before I can migrate to my main computer. Unfortunately, my company has a LOT of internal websites that ONLY work with Internet Explorer (idiots). You need to edit a file in the IETab+ folder in your profile, then it will work with SM2.1. Message back if you're interested. What's the trick? You got to edit the install.rdf file. Each extension has a folder in your Preferences folder. On my computer, the one for IEtab+ is ie...@ip.cn. Open the install.rdf file with a text editor and look for a entry like this: em:maxVersion2.0/em:maxVersion Make sure the targetApplication is SeaMonkey. There may be other targetApplication entries. Change the 2.0 to 2.1. Save the file. The first time I did this, I first saved the file as install.rdf.orig.txt, in case I screwed something up. This has worked for all my incompatible extensions so I stopped saving backups as .txt files. On my computer, that value was 2.1b1. I removed the b1 and recycled Seamonkey and it worked. Thanks!! -- Jaime A. Cruz President Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Newsgroup data crashes SM2.1
Hello! I've got several Gmane newsgroups subscribed. Clicking on one of them makes SM crashing, while the others don't cause any problems. Because it's a specific newsgroup, I'd upload it somewhere for investigation, I think - where can I do this? Kind regards Peter ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/15/2011 7:23 AM, Daniel wrote: Justin, just to be totally sure, will SM download the upgrade and then ask if I want to install it, or will it tell me an upgrade is available and ask if I want to download it?? That fact depends on prefs (I'm not sure which pref top of my head) BUT It will NOT begin the install process at all unless you choose to accept it. Thank you, Justin. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
On 16.06.2011 03:47, Ken wrote: --- Original Message --- Follow-up (at a tangent) to my post just above. I have SM 2.0.14 and Windows 7. Lately I have had occasion to send emails to one person (or group) with bcc copies to one or more others. None of the bccs appears to have arrived. For example, I sent a bcc copy to myself of my previous post here. It has not arrived in my Inbox (though the post itself has gone up on the group site). For a further test, I deliberately emailed myself a test message with a bcc copy as well. The message arrived within seconds, but the bcc copy hasn't been sighted. Is this a SM (Mail) problem? Suggestions of what to do, please? Thanks - Ken (in Oz) Check your junk folder or other folder(s) set up to trap spam/junk, etc. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/15/2011 7:23 AM, Daniel wrote: Justin, just to be totally sure, will SM download the upgrade and then ask if I want to install it, or will it tell me an upgrade is available and ask if I want to download it?? That fact depends on prefs (I'm not sure which pref top of my head) BUT It will NOT begin the install process at all unless you choose to accept it. Where do you find these prefs? Is there a place to stop auto updates? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Bug in loading pages (?)
This week I upgraded to v2.1. But I now experienced several times this 'bug' where I click on a link and nothing seems to happen. The status usually does say first Waiting for www.domainname then (sometimes i see) connecting... and even transfer data from www.domainname... and then... nothing. The browser keeps showing the original page. It just doesn't load. More people with the same 'bug' experience? Or something i could do to fix it if it is a known issue? gr, Mark ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: [...] You can always press Control-Plus and Control-Minus to zoom/unzoom individual pages as you encounter them. (Control-Zero to restore your default setting.) That's useful to know. Thanks Beau. - Ken (in Oz) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: [...] If you look at the source of your sent message, do you see the BCCs listed in the headers? Yes. Did your test send that BCC to a different address than the one used in the TO? No, or it shouldn't have. It was addressed to the same address. Next, a BCC-to-email of a newsgroup post is somewhat different than a real email. I'm not sure you can mix the two. Someone else will know that answer for sure. Your sent post(s) is probably in your Local Folders/Sent folder. I have done it in the past, i.e., posted to this group AND simultaneously sent a bcc of my message to my regular Inbox. Is this a SM (Mail) problem? Suggestions of what to do, please? I would doubt it's an SM problem. I too send BCC email messages at times. They've always arrived at their destination. I have often used bcc in the past. It is only recently that I have detected that bcc is not working for me, either to send attachments to multiple individuals or just to duplicate a message to various people. Thanks anyway this time, Beau! - Ken (in Oz) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Ken wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: [...] If you look at the source of your sent message, do you see the BCCs listed in the headers? Yes. Did your test send that BCC to a different address than the one used in the TO? No, or it shouldn't have. It was addressed to the same address. Give it a try using a different address. One TO, and one different BCC. Next, a BCC-to-email of a newsgroup post is somewhat different than a real email. I'm not sure you can mix the two. Someone else will know that answer for sure. Your sent post(s) is probably in your Local Folders/Sent folder. I have done it in the past, i.e., posted to this group AND simultaneously sent a bcc of my message to my regular Inbox. Perhaps your ISP (labyrinth?) is sidelining/filtering messages TO you FROM you? With all the haphazard spam filtering going on these days, it may be a possibility. Is this a SM (Mail) problem? Suggestions of what to do, please? I would doubt it's an SM problem. I too send BCC email messages at times. They've always arrived at their destination. I have often used bcc in the past. It is only recently that I have detected that bcc is not working for me, either to send attachments to multiple individuals or just to duplicate a message to various people. I'd look for either spam filtering or even a misplaced SM filter. People have been known to accidentally filter themselves, you know. :-) Thanks anyway this time, Beau! YW. I'll put my jar of straws back on the shelf now... -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Jay Garcia wrote: Check your junk folder or other folder(s) set up to trap spam/junk, etc. I just did that before coming here. There were two Junk messages, one was about viagara, I don't think I noticed what the other one was. I just deleted them one after the other. But I DON'T think there were any messages that I'd sent as bccs. - Ken (in Oz) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Jay Garcia wrote: Send an email to yourself and BCC to my mail address, rempove NOSPAM from the address. Just did that, Jay. You should (all going well) have it round about now ... - Ken (in Oz) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Ken wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: Send an email to yourself and BCC to my mail address, rempove NOSPAM from the address. Just did that, Jay. You should (all going well) have it round about now ... Hmm. Jay received by message sent to myself with a bcc to Jay. Good to know, and maybe the whole thing has been a temporary aberration. Thanks Jay. - Ken (in Oz) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
PhillipJones schrieb: Answer me a Question. How many features have we users begged and plead for developers to keep and they were removed anyway? Fewer than the other way round. And the totally skewed sample of people here in this newsgroup is only a tiny piece of the overall user base. In any case, happy to not be in charge any more, makes laughing about this much easier than in earlier times. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cookies Manager SM 2.1
JD schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JD schrieb: In the Data Manager, Cookies tab, when I right mouse click on a Domain, for example, 2o7.net, what does it mean Forget About This Domain? Click it and you'll see a tab about all the data it can forget. Going into the Forget tab through this will not delete anything yet, clicking the button on that tab will. OK, I see the tab. Sorry to be a dummy. Say I elect to forget all the cookies. Does it just delete all the cookies? Yes. It deletes all the cookies from that domain, just like the text in the tab says. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Rufus schrieb: I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad You know that Opera Mobile is not a browser and actually send everything you type in there to a central Opera server (and I'd guess that they try to market the data they're collecting there - I would if I would be a company that needs to make profit for its shareholders). If there isn't a combined suite solution for iPad soon, I may just finally chuck the suite concept altogether after all these years...pity. There will be no other Mozilla products than Firefox Home for the iPhone or iPad as long as Apple does not allow any competition to their own products to run there. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
Francesco Presel wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty ha scritto: Ken wrote: Thanks Francesco. That worked well. I located Fonts under Appearance and changed the minimum size from 17 pixels to 14. ... The browser window of certain sites no longer has hidden lines of text (that should be visible) in any sub-windows. Unfortunately the type-size of text in other windows besides the browser windows, such as this mail window, has also reduced in size, and is now rather tiny to my eyes. But I can live with it, provided I have my glasses on!) Web authors who do not test their pages with various browser-induced font sizes are rampant on the WWW. Little do they know that the web is not paper. :-) It's a losing battle... You can always press Control-Plus and Control-Minus to zoom/unzoom individual pages as you encounter them. (Control-Zero to restore your default setting.) For SM 2.0, there's also the nosquint extension actually... http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#nosquint you can set it so that it zooms/unzooms the text, with or without zooming images, on a site-specific basis It doesn't work on SM2.1, though It works in SeaMonkey/2.0.14 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 07:34, Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the world: Web authors who do not test their pages with various browser-induced font sizes are rampant on the WWW. Little do they know that the web is not paper. :-) It's a losing battle... There's also those web authors who don't bother testing in anything other than their own browser. For a very long time, this usually meant they tested on Internet Explorer, and that's it. Since the site was written for the quirks (read: bugs) of a particular browser, in a particular configuration, it tended to break horribly if you changed browsers, font sizes, even *window size.* Unfortunately, there are still LOTS of sites written during those Dark Ages still around. And quite a few clueless souls still adhering to their old, obsolete practices. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Commodore 64. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: bcc not working
Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 10:27, Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the world: Perhaps your ISP (labyrinth?) is sidelining/filtering messages TO you FROM you? With all the haphazard spam filtering going on these days, it may be a possibility. Not to mention Gmail, which will notice two messages have identical bodies (but different headers) and consolidate then into a single one. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Odyssey2. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 07:34, Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the world: Web authors who do not test their pages with various browser-induced font sizes are rampant on the WWW. Little do they know that the web is not paper. :-) It's a losing battle... There's also those web authors who don't bother testing in anything other than their own browser. For a very long time, this usually meant they tested on Internet Explorer, and that's it. Since the site was written for the quirks (read: bugs) of a particular browser, in a particular configuration, it tended to break horribly if you changed browsers, font sizes, even *window size.* Unfortunately, there are still LOTS of sites written during those Dark Ages still around. And quite a few clueless souls still adhering to their old, obsolete practices. And they are starting to use the HTML5 Doctype, then creating pages/sites with no HTML5 elements, improper meta tags. etc. Getting worse, not better. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Interviewed by CNN on 15/06/2011 22:41, Rufus told the world: ...OTOH, having bought an iPad recently is rapidly changing my work flow/habits re: browsing Usenet and surfing the web - I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad, but it doesn't operate with Mail/News in tabs like desktop Opera does. Tabs *really* shine on laptops and i-devices, IMO. So I'm left to use Safari or Atomic in combination with something like Newstap on my iPad. Which gets me wondering why I don't just use Safari and Thunderbird on my Macs. If there isn't a combined suite solution for iPad soon, I may just finally chuck the suite concept altogether after all these years...pity. In fact, the market seems *wide* open for Usenet newsreaders for iOS. An iOS version of SM building on the tab concept would be ideal, and certainly go a far distance to retaining my interest in the combined suite concept. Yeah, I know it would cost some work...but that's why they call it *work*. Unfortunately, Apple does not *allow* other browsers in iOS. It's Safari's way or the highway. Opera Lite gets around the rules because it is not actually a browser, in that it does not have its own HTML rendering engine -- instead, it downloads pre-rendered images from a special rendering server, more like a streaming media client. It was a solution Opera developed for cheap cell phones with pitifully weak CPUs and laughable amounts of RAM. Developing any sort of application which overlaps in functionality Apple's official ones is chancy at best. You have no idea if they will allow the app to be distributed, or if your investment is going to go down the drain. Actually, even non-competing apps have been known to be refused by Apple for no clear reason. There was a joke a couple months ago on the GPF webcomic about an app being refused because it was submitted on a Tuesday, then because it WASN'T submitted on a Tuesday, then because it was too mauve... That users don't need freedom of choice, father knows best attitude is why, after careful evaluation, I chose to stay away from iOS. I'm very happy with my Android phone (I might have gone for Maemo/MeeGo if Nokia hadn't decided to abandon the platform...) -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Battlestar. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Fire FTP Question
Has anyone installed the FireFTP add-on from the link at: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireftp ? Hacked version 1.0.7 is listed as being compatible with SM 2.0 and above and seems to install normally, but the pull-down menu for adding accounts does not 'pull-down'. -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu/ Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 05:11, cyberzen told the world: MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? Joke all you want, but those are closely-spaced 16px icons. It's not that hard to click on the wrong one. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Robert Kaiser wrote: In any case, happy to not be in charge any more, makes laughing about this much easier than in earlier times. Robert Kaiser Who's in charge now? I'm sorry to hear you've stopped running the project. Thanks for your work on the browser over the past few years (not to mention LCARStrek!). This coming from a happy user ever since Seamonkey was forked from Mozilla. Regards, Michael ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
So one goes from the Apple-control freaks to the Google careless- security and spy-on-you-privacy freaks. Should we look to Palm for hope? That users don't need freedom of choice, father knows best attitude is why, after careful evaluation, I chose to stay away from iOS. I'm very happy with my Android phone (I might have gone for Maemo/MeeGo if Nokia hadn't decided to abandon the platform...) MCBastos -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
Mike C wrote: Where do you find these prefs? Is there a place to stop auto updates? SM notifies you a new version is available and asks if you would like to install it or not. Why wouldn't you want that? -- Mike ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IETab Plus and SM2.1
Cruz, Jaime wrote: JD wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: JD wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: Looks like the latest version breaks compatibility with Coral IETab (IETab +). I'll have to wait till the author of Coral IETab fixes this before I can migrate to my main computer. Unfortunately, my company has a LOT of internal websites that ONLY work with Internet Explorer (idiots). You need to edit a file in the IETab+ folder in your profile, then it will work with SM2.1. Message back if you're interested. What's the trick? You got to edit the install.rdf file. Each extension has a folder in your Preferences folder. On my computer, the one for IEtab+ is ie...@ip.cn. Open the install.rdf file with a text editor and look for a entry like this: em:maxVersion2.0/em:maxVersion Make sure the targetApplication is SeaMonkey. There may be other targetApplication entries. Change the 2.0 to 2.1. Save the file. The first time I did this, I first saved the file as install.rdf.orig.txt, in case I screwed something up. This has worked for all my incompatible extensions so I stopped saving backups as .txt files. On my computer, that value was 2.1b1. I removed the b1 and recycled Seamonkey and it worked. Thanks!! You're welcome. This works with many incompatible extensions. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
Mike C wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/15/2011 7:23 AM, Daniel wrote: Justin, just to be totally sure, will SM download the upgrade and then ask if I want to install it, or will it tell me an upgrade is available and ask if I want to download it?? That fact depends on prefs (I'm not sure which pref top of my head) BUT It will NOT begin the install process at all unless you choose to accept it. Where do you find these prefs? Is there a place to stop auto updates? Edit, Preferences, Advanced, Software Installation. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Michael Hannon schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: In any case, happy to not be in charge any more, makes laughing about this much easier than in earlier times. Who's in charge now? The collective of the SeaMonkey Council (of which I'm remaining a part, but just as one of multiple people, not as the project coordinator). I'm sorry to hear you've stopped running the project. Thanks for your work on the browser over the past few years (not to mention LCARStrek!). As a note, LCARStrek will continue to be developed (but now for both SeaMonkey and Firefox). ;-) As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now makes me say things like A beta user sample of [roughly 4-5x the release users of SeaMonkey] is too small to give us really good data on stability, but so far it looks stable enough to ship this as a final release. :) I'm not too far away, but not here as much as previously. And I feel good getting less vitriol about my work and working with people who can do Mozilla stuff full-time. ;-) Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
d...@kd4e.com schrieb: So one goes from the Apple-control freaks to the Google careless- security and spy-on-you-privacy freaks. Should we look to Palm for hope? Good joke. Well, HP in that case nowadays, but still. The only bet is to try and get some mobile vendor to go and actually ship something MeeGo-based. Given the developments there and a reasonably working showcase for outdated hardware (N900 CE), it would be doable well enough. The question is just if some vendor does it (I would not bet on Nokia, but there are others out there that might want to escape from the Google oppression they feel with Android). Still, this is going way too far off topic... Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community should think about. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
Is it OK to leave Check checked - so long as Install is unchecked? Or will a checked Check also result in Installation of Updates? -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Type size in browser window/s
WLS wrote: MCBastos wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Web authors who do not test their pages with various browser-induced font sizes are rampant on the WWW. Little do they know that the web is not paper. :-) It's a losing battle... There's also those web authors who don't bother testing in anything other than their own browser. For a very long time, this usually meant they tested on Internet Explorer, and that's it. Since the site was written for the quirks (read: bugs) of a particular browser, in a particular configuration, it tended to break horribly if you changed browsers, font sizes, even *window size.* Unfortunately, there are still LOTS of sites written during those Dark Ages still around. And quite a few clueless souls still adhering to their old, obsolete practices. And they are starting to use the HTML5 Doctype, then creating pages/sites with no HTML5 elements, improper meta tags. etc. Getting worse, not better. Yes, it is. 5 has a place, but only for certain situations. All my web sites are still HTML 4.01 Strict, they validate, and look/work the same in just about any browser you can find. Doesn't matter what your default text size is, either. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Is it OK to leave Check checked - so long as Install is unchecked? Yes, Automatically check... is fine. And if Download and Install.. is unchecked, you won't incur an automatic install. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Is it OK to leave Check checked - so long as Install is unchecked? Yes, Automatically check... is fine. And if Download and Install.. is unchecked, you won't incur an automatic install. Confirmed in my experience. You get nagged, but it doesn't download or install until you approve. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lost bookmarks
bfairey wrote: I recently upgraded to 2.1 but my bookmarks have disappeared, Where are they??? https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/2.1/FAQ#Bookmarks HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fire FTP Question
W3BNR wrote: Has anyone installed the FireFTP add-on from the link at: http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireftp ? Hacked version 1.0.7 is listed as being compatible with SM 2.0 and above and seems to install normally, but the pull-down menu for adding accounts does not 'pull-down'. Check the Error Console. If anything related to fireftp and components appears there, it's likely one of the newer FireFTP versions need to be adapted for SM 2.1 (the first one listed on AMO as compatible with FF 4 pre-releases was version 1.99.1). HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.1
PhillipJones wrote: I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2 long and width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart. I'm using QuoteCollapse 0.8 without much of a problem (needs compatibility checks deactivated at least for SM 2.1, though). The issue you describe (broken MailNews status bar) sounds similar to what I found with Mailbox Alert, though. I've contacted the author; let's see where that leads. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1 Bookmark Group Changes...
Jens Hatlak wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Antman008 wrote: 2) In SM 2.0.x, when I open a group of tabs, my current window would replace the current windows with the Group set. Preferences has a setting that asks you if you want SM to simply add new tabs or perform the replacement as 2.0.x did, and I have selected replacement, but SM 2.1 continues to add my Open all in Tabs groups as new tabs. I guess you mean the Link Behavior prefs. Correcting myself: The Tabbed Browsing pref do indeed have a matching option. This seems to be a regression, see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664101 HTH Jens Thanks Jens. Very helpful. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: V2.1 problem in Composer mode
NoOp a écrit : On 06/15/2011 01:27 PM, Helene wrote: Hi there, I test-installed v.2.1 yesterday, but was completely unable to use the Composer mode (in Wysiwyg) - the Code page is OK ;) My problem is I mainly use Seamonkey as HTML-editor : it's simple, produces clean HTML and has both WYSIWIG and CODE modes… well : it had !! And the possibility to instantly test the modifications without changing program was a + But now, I cannot edit pages at all : * tags in the bottom bar don't seem to function correctly anymore, to select, unselect, change name or add property - once you have selected one, you cannot change it anymore, and it is almost impossible to click in another place in the page :( I'll admit that I've not used Composer for quite some time. However, when I go to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ and use File|Edit Page I can see the page w/o issue in Normal/HTML Tags/HTMLSource/Preview. I've no problems modifying the page in Normal. Just for grins I did a Find Replace, replacing SeaMonkey with Firefox that worked just fine. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Yes, what you did, I can do too, because there is no complicated intricated TABLE structure on THAT page… now try on http:www.mozillazine.org and try to select a cell of the center table, using the TAGS at the buttom of the window, or insert a cell between the two, or add a line… if it really works for you, then, it's probably a config. problem, but it DOES NOT for me (either on MAC or on PC)…… It seems that the developpers had a lot of work on the Surfing abilities, but completely let out the Editing abilities - pity !! It seems that you might have check to see if others experience the same before chastising the (sic) developpers... pity. As a matter of fact, I asked on IRC and the NG : few people there seem to use Composer, which is also a pity, because it IS (well, WAS) the EASIEST, LIGHTEST, FASTEST simple and powerful HTML editor I tried (and believe me, I tried dozens) - and I also checked all the new features on the official site about the 2.1 issue, and saw nothing about Composer, only better browins abilities... And, today, I tested the Composer at the office, on PC (Windows 7) - I got EXACTLY the same problem... So, my question is : what happened ? It's not a matter of configuration : I made a clean install on a separate partition and test session, downloaded the page I wanted to edit, and had THE SAME PROBLEM, over and over again… is there a Composer specialist I could try and contact to try and see what happens… On http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer is written SeaMonkey's powerful yet simple HTML editor keeps getting better with dynamic image and table resizing, quick insert and delete of table cells, improved CSS support, and support for positioned layers. For all your documents and website projects, Composer is all you need. That is precisely what does not work anymore : TABLE manipulation, and manipulating TAGS (I don't know the english name) in the bottom of the normal window. so, I can only call it a regression at best, a catastrophe to me who edits dozens of pages a day through this tool, and cannot use it anymore (it is a work tool for me, at my job, so I feel really concerned)… I did not mean that developpers did not work well, only that they priviledged the surfing functions at the detriment of editing functions, which, to me, are the ONLY ONES that matter (I use Firefox for JUST surfing, I use SEAMONKEY when I need to edit the pages I surf - intranet at work) Where can I get HELP, please ? Helene ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Is it OK to leave Check checked - so long as Install is unchecked? Yes, Automatically check... is fine. And if Download and Install.. is unchecked, you won't incur an automatic install. Well,this is interesting! I don't have an option like that (XP SP3, SM 2.0.14). In fact, I don't have either of these options mentioned in Help: When Updates To SeaMonkey Are Found (and submenu), and Show Update History. Must have done something to cause this. Any ideas? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Will SM update to 2.1 automatically?
Larry wrote: Well,this is interesting! I don't have an option like that (XP SP3, SM 2.0.14). In fact, I don't have either of these options mentioned in Help: When Updates To SeaMonkey Are Found (and submenu), and Show Update History. Well I verified pref wording with 2.1, the general prefs and usage works in 2.0. (Which I don't have installed on this computer, sorry) But hopefully someone else does and can identify the correct prefs for you. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1 Password Manager
On 06/13/2011 09:29 AM, NoOp wrote: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Since upgrading from 2.1b2 I have been having odd issues with POP3 email stored passwords. On this system I've 4 POP3 accounts occasionally I get a password failed error on one or another of the accounts. Sometimes I can reproduce if I 'Get Msgs|Get All New Messages'. The odd part it that the correct password *is* there if I follow through on the password error dialog, when prompted for a new password, the password is filled in, but the check box for always remember/save (can't recall the exact wording just now) in unchecked. I do not enter any other password, just tick the remember/save box and click OK off it goes. It doesn't happen on any particular account. I seems entirely random. Anyone else notice simlar? Still getting these. Nobody else? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug in loading pages (?)
M van Ketel wrote: This week I upgraded to v2.1. But I now experienced several times this 'bug' where I click on a link and nothing seems to happen. The status usually does say first Waiting for www.domainname then (sometimes i see) connecting... and even transfer data from www.domainname... and then... nothing. The browser keeps showing the original page. It just doesn't load. More people with the same 'bug' experience? Or something i could do to fix it if it is a known issue? gr, Mark Yeah, I'm getting that, too. Also (sometimes!) clicking a bookmark to leave a page (such as, for instance, http://lifehacker.com/) and nothing happens until you close the open window/tab and try again. Won't even mention the screen flickering during page loads. . . ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug in loading pages (?)
cmcadams wrote: M van Ketel wrote: This week I upgraded to v2.1. But I now experienced several times this 'bug' where I click on a link and nothing seems to happen. The status usually does say first Waiting for www.domainname then (sometimes i see) connecting... and even transfer data from www.domainname... and then... nothing. The browser keeps showing the original page. It just doesn't load. More people with the same 'bug' experience? Or something i could do to fix it if it is a known issue? gr, Mark Yeah, I'm getting that, too. Also (sometimes!) clicking a bookmark to leave a page (such as, for instance, http://lifehacker.com/) and nothing happens until you close the open window/tab and try again. Won't even mention the screen flickering during page loads. . . Hi, Yes, I got that too, plus previously mentioned bookmark and cookie problems. I went back to SM 2.0.14, and am happy again. I made up a word to describe some new changes in SM; I call them deprovements. With all respect to all the volunteers who work mightily on this software, is it really necessary to make good things bad? Thank you. Morton Linder ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1 Password Manager
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:29:09 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 06/13/2011 09:29 AM, NoOp wrote: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Since upgrading from 2.1b2 I have been having odd issues with POP3 email stored passwords. On this system I've 4 POP3 accounts occasionally I get a password failed error on one or another of the accounts. Sometimes I can reproduce if I 'Get Msgs|Get All New Messages'. The odd part it that the correct password *is* there if I follow through on the password error dialog, when prompted for a new password, the password is filled in, but the check box for always remember/save (can't recall the exact wording just now) in unchecked. I do not enter any other password, just tick the remember/save box and click OK off it goes. It doesn't happen on any particular account. I seems entirely random. Anyone else notice simlar? Still getting these. Nobody else? If it is only sometimes, then this implies a network or connectivity problem. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad You know that Opera Mobile is not a browser and actually send everything you type in there to a central Opera server (and I'd guess that they try to market the data they're collecting there - I would if I would be a company that needs to make profit for its shareholders). Yes - I know that. But if they're the only gal at the party, you dance with her or sit by yourself. But again, once I looked close she wasn't what I thought she was. If there isn't a combined suite solution for iPad soon, I may just finally chuck the suite concept altogether after all these years...pity. There will be no other Mozilla products than Firefox Home for the iPhone or iPad as long as Apple does not allow any competition to their own products to run there. Robert Kaiser It's not really a case of Apple not allowing it - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-like, and far more feature-rich than Safari on iOS. Actually I find Safari on the iPad more likable than Safari on the Mac...and the Atomic browser has even more features - like browser spoofing, home page setting, login retention, etc. The only thing I don't like about Atomic so far is it's cloud-based bookmark synching...but I think that has more to do with iPad limitations on file transfer than anything else. If the Atomic browser also had SM style Mail/News viewable in a tab it would be my #1 choice for use on my iPad, and it still may become so even without that feature set. Each browser (Atomic and Safari) has cross-scrips for opening a link in the other browser...which I haven't really found a use for yet, but it's a nice feature. But again, the way iOS works I find *far* less utility in the suite concept when working on my iPad, and that may also hold true on my Macs with the release of the Lion OS. I haven't tried the NewsTap app on my iPad as of yet, but as with Opera above it's the only Usenet newsreader app out there, or at least the most SM-like...from the App Store writeup I think I'll like it. Thunderbird for iOS?..yeah, bring it! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 15/06/2011 22:41, Rufus told the world: ...OTOH, having bought an iPad recently is rapidly changing my work flow/habits re: browsing Usenet and surfing the web - I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad, but it doesn't operate with Mail/News in tabs like desktop Opera does. Tabs *really* shine on laptops and i-devices, IMO. So I'm left to use Safari or Atomic in combination with something like Newstap on my iPad. Which gets me wondering why I don't just use Safari and Thunderbird on my Macs. If there isn't a combined suite solution for iPad soon, I may just finally chuck the suite concept altogether after all these years...pity. In fact, the market seems *wide* open for Usenet newsreaders for iOS. An iOS version of SM building on the tab concept would be ideal, and certainly go a far distance to retaining my interest in the combined suite concept. Yeah, I know it would cost some work...but that's why they call it *work*. Unfortunately, Apple does not *allow* other browsers in iOS. It's Safari's way or the highway. That's simply not true. I have the Atomic browser installed on my iPad and like it...and there are others. Opera Lite gets around the rules because it is not actually a browser, in that it does not have its own HTML rendering engine -- instead, it downloads pre-rendered images from a special rendering server, more like a streaming media client. It was a solution Opera developed for cheap cell phones with pitifully weak CPUs and laughable amounts of RAM. Unfortunately (or fortunately) Opera Mobile doesn't have the feature set I was wanting to use it for...so I've ditched it. Developing any sort of application which overlaps in functionality Apple's official ones is chancy at best. You have no idea if they will allow the app to be distributed, or if your investment is going to go down the drain. ...as in any business venture. Actually, even non-competing apps have been known to be refused by Apple for no clear reason. There was a joke a couple months ago on the GPF webcomic about an app being refused because it was submitted on a Tuesday, then because it WASN'T submitted on a Tuesday, then because it was too mauve... Yes. But there are alternatives to distribution other than the App Store...it would take some thinking, but I can see a way. That users don't need freedom of choice, father knows best attitude is why, after careful evaluation, I chose to stay away from iOS. I'm very happy with my Android phone (I might have gone for Maemo/MeeGo if Nokia hadn't decided to abandon the platform...) I got my iPad strictly yo use in lieu of a wireless keyboard/mouse/touchpad to control a Mac Mini integrated into my home theater system...but I grossly underestimated what I can use it for. I plan to never put music on it...and now that I have it, I wonder what took me so long. One needs to look before one chooses, and now that I have one all I can say in hindsight is that I didn't look deep enough before I bought, or I'd have bought a G3 one instead of the wifi only. Next time...when I get my iPad 3. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
NG = newsgroup
Folks that have been on thes groups for a long time seem to forget others just joining, or not running across a particular acromym, might get confused at the various unknowns from time to time. In Writing 101, it was stressed that the first time you used an acronym in a correspondence, you spelled it out. From then on, you could use the shortened version at will. The person who recently asked What is a NG had a perfectly valid question, and it seems to me everybody pretty much ignored it. The Subject line says it all. That IS the answer. keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Add-ons Manager Never Loads
Tools, Add-ons Manager, Get Add-ons just says Loading. It never loads anything. Plugins doesn't show anything. Extensions and Appearance do work. Have I broken something? -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1 Password Manager
On 06/16/2011 06:26 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:29:09 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 06/13/2011 09:29 AM, NoOp wrote: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Since upgrading from 2.1b2 I have been having odd issues with POP3 email stored passwords. On this system I've 4 POP3 accounts occasionally I get a password failed error on one or another of the accounts. Sometimes I can reproduce if I 'Get Msgs|Get All New Messages'. The odd part it that the correct password *is* there if I follow through on the password error dialog, when prompted for a new password, the password is filled in, but the check box for always remember/save (can't recall the exact wording just now) in unchecked. I do not enter any other password, just tick the remember/save box and click OK off it goes. It doesn't happen on any particular account. I seems entirely random. Anyone else notice simlar? Still getting these. Nobody else? If it is only sometimes, then this implies a network or connectivity problem. Phil I thought of that. However, as mentioned when the popup occurs when I follow through, the password *is* correct and already entered in the popup screen, however the remember/save is unchecked. I'll try to get a screenshot of it next time, but that indicates to me that is it a client issue rather than a network or connectivity problem. Back in 1.x I used a tool from Neil that allowed me to capture the network session. I'll see if I can hunt that down try that. If not, I'll start wireshark try it that way, but Neil's (I think it was Neil) method is cleaner as it showed only the SM session bits. Gary ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: V2.1 problem in Composer mode
Helene wrote: NoOp a écrit : On 06/15/2011 01:27 PM, Helene wrote: Hi there, I test-installed v.2.1 yesterday, but was completely unable to use the Composer mode (in Wysiwyg) - the Code page is OK ;) My problem is I mainly use Seamonkey as HTML-editor : it's simple, produces clean HTML and has both WYSIWIG and CODE modes… well : it had !! And the possibility to instantly test the modifications without changing program was a + But now, I cannot edit pages at all : * tags in the bottom bar don't seem to function correctly anymore, to select, unselect, change name or add property - once you have selected one, you cannot change it anymore, and it is almost impossible to click in another place in the page :( I'll admit that I've not used Composer for quite some time. However, when I go to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ and use File|Edit Page I can see the page w/o issue in Normal/HTML Tags/HTMLSource/Preview. I've no problems modifying the page in Normal. Just for grins I did a Find Replace, replacing SeaMonkey with Firefox that worked just fine. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608 Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1 Yes, what you did, I can do too, because there is no complicated intricated TABLE structure on THAT page… now try on http:www.mozillazine.org and try to select a cell of the center table, using the TAGS at the buttom of the window, or insert a cell between the two, or add a line… if it really works for you, then, it's probably a config. problem, but it DOES NOT for me (either on MAC or on PC)…… Helene, Just a bit more info for your grey cells! (In English, the bottom bar is called the Edit Mode Toolbar and the edit-mode-tabs open each edit-mode's tab-window.) http://www.flickr.com/photos/64156765@N03/5840860433/sizes/l/in/photostream/ As you can see, I'm not getting your problem on Linux-64bit running the explosive-developmental nightly SM-2.4a1 on Intel iron, and I can't say I've run into it over the past few years, during my usage of the developmental-versions of previous 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, so I'm wondering if your specific platform/SeaMonkey-version has something to do with your problem? Sorry to be no help otherwise. Barry. It seems that the developers had a lot of work on the Surfing abilities, but completely let out the Editing abilities - pity !! It seems that you might have check to see if others experience the same before chastising the (sic) developpers... pity. As a matter of fact, I asked on IRC and the NG : few people there seem to use Composer, which is also a pity, because it IS (well, WAS) the EASIEST, LIGHTEST, FASTEST simple and powerful HTML editor I tried (and believe me, I tried dozens) - and I also checked all the new features on the official site about the 2.1 issue, and saw nothing about Composer, only better browins abilities... And, today, I tested the Composer at the office, on PC (Windows 7) - I got EXACTLY the same problem... So, my question is : what happened ? It's not a matter of configuration : I made a clean install on a separate partition and test session, downloaded the page I wanted to edit, and had THE SAME PROBLEM, over and over again… is there a Composer specialist I could try and contact to try and see what happens… On http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer is written SeaMonkey's powerful yet simple HTML editor keeps getting better with dynamic image and table resizing, quick insert and delete of table cells, improved CSS support, and support for positioned layers. For all your documents and website projects, Composer is all you need. That is precisely what does not work anymore : TABLE manipulation, and manipulating TAGS (I don't know the english name) in the bottom of the normal window. so, I can only call it a regression at best, a catastrophe to me who edits dozens of pages a day through this tool, and cannot use it anymore (it is a work tool for me, at my job, so I feel really concerned)… I did not mean that developpers did not work well, only that they priviledged the surfing functions at the detriment of editing functions, which, to me, are the ONLY ONES that matter (I use Firefox for JUST surfing, I use SEAMONKEY when I need to edit the pages I surf - intranet at work) Where can I get HELP, please ? Helene ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: V2.1 problem in Composer mode
Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:04:45 +0200, /Helene/: On http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer is written SeaMonkey's powerful yet simple HTML editor keeps getting better with dynamic image and table resizing, quick insert and delete of table cells, improved CSS support, and support for positioned layers. For all your documents and website projects, Composer is all you need. That is precisely what does not work anymore : TABLE manipulation, and manipulating TAGS (I don't know the english name) in the bottom of the normal window. I can confirm that. I don't know what's the reason for the regression - may be the Composer code base has gotten too out of date with the current core framework. I don't know if you have ever tried it, but BlueGriffon is the latest Composer re-incarnation from its original(?) author: http://www.bluegriffon.org/ I've tried dynamic image and table resizing works with it. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug in loading pages (?)
Mort wrote: cmcadams wrote: M van Ketel wrote: This week I upgraded to v2.1. But I now experienced several times this 'bug' where I click on a link and nothing seems to happen. The status usually does say first Waiting for www.domainname then (sometimes i see) connecting... and even transfer data from www.domainname... and then... nothing. The browser keeps showing the original page. It just doesn't load. More people with the same 'bug' experience? Or something i could do to fix it if it is a known issue? gr, Mark Yeah, I'm getting that, too. Also (sometimes!) clicking a bookmark to leave a page (such as, for instance, http://lifehacker.com/) and nothing happens until you close the open window/tab and try again. Won't even mention the screen flickering during page loads. . . Hi, Yes, I got that too, plus previously mentioned bookmark and cookie problems. I went back to SM 2.0.14, and am happy again. I made up a word to describe some new changes in SM; I call them deprovements. With all respect to all the volunteers who work mightily on this software, is it really necessary to make good things bad? Thank you. 2.1 includes a bunch of all-new ideas/components; the resulting glitches are what frequent updates are about, I suppose. Unlike commercial software (or the way it's presumed to be) a FOSS project at any given time is more like a subscription to a work in progress. At least 2.1 is stable, hasn't crashed on me. So I wait. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
